The Ringer NFL Show - Rams-Seahawks, Part 3, Drake Maye Vs. Jarrett Stidham, Bills Press Conference Debacle, and Boomers Don't Drink Water

Episode Date: January 23, 2026

The guys break down Rams–Seahawks, debating Sam Darnold vs. Matthew Stafford, Seattle’s all-time defense, and whether this is the best DVOA matchup in playoff history. They then turn to Patriots-Broncos and Jarrett Stidham starting an AFC championship game, unpacking Sean Payton chaos, quarterback vibes, and why this postseason keeps getting stranger. (00:00) Intro (01:33) NFC Championship: Rams at Seahawks (06:47) Will Sam Darnold Go Full Stroud? (31:08) AFC Championship: Patriots at Broncos (49:27) Ringer 107 Picks (44:35) Titans Hire Robert Saleh as Head Coach (49:41) Dolphins Hire Jeff Hafley as Head Coach (54:07) News (01:09:37) Emails Discord link: https://discord.gg/Ge8bbYHrau Check out the 2025 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings: https://fantasyfootball.theringer.com/ Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Kai Grady, Carlos Chiriboga, and Cameron Dinwiddie Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

the ringer fantasy football show. My name is Danny Hyford. Today I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Horlebeck, and we are going over the conference championship games. And also maybe some coaching news. Brian Dable and Mike McDaniel are openly just using offensive coordinator jobs. It's like, I don't know, holding teams hostage and just like being like, I'll come, but maybe I won't.

We'll get it all that later. The bill's owner did a press conference that calmed everyone down, right, D.K. Everyone feels way better after the bill's owner spoke for the first time in six years. Yeah, that's solved. That was a disaster. It rarely gets better when the owner speaks. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, no, I mean, it's, it's, usually it doesn't get better. But the bill's owner, I think he, everything is better when he spoke about it. Yeah, great job. Reminder for everyone, we go all playoffs through the Super Bowl after the Super Bowl, trades for agency and the draft, Danny Kelly's draft guide coming out next week. We're going to start going full tilt on the draft starting next week and beyond. So stick with us through the playoffs, through the Super Bowl, through the offseason, and everything.

Yeah, D.K. initially has Fernando Mendoza, fourth rounder, which was, Crazy hot tape, but we'll get into that in a couple weeks. Exactly. So we have to start here, NFC championship game. Rams are at the Seahawks, CX are two and a half point favorites at home to win the game. DK. Big game. Big game.

We're going to learn a lot this game. This is a big game. We're going to learn a lot. We're going to learn a lot. We're going to learn a lot of these things. We are going to learn everything we need to know to prepare for 2026 NFL season in the Super Bowl. Must win game. Must win game.

Yes. Win or go home, I would say. probably. D.K. How confident are you that Sam Darnold will not go full C.J. Stroud? This is the only thing I want to talk about for this game. How confident am I?

I'm not very confident. So, uh, I was, I thought you were going to ask me how confident I am. The Seahawks are going to win. And I'm, and I looked up this stat today. I saw this one after a week. Uh,

it was like 16 or 17 they played and it was a crazy ass game. Um, the Seahawks this year in two games against the Rams. The Rams have one, more point and one more yard total. So one yard and one point separates the two games these team teams played this week, this year. And I mean, it's crazy too because both of the games were kind of like polar opposites.

The first game, the Seahuck shut down the Rams offense. The second game, the Rams offense had the highest yardage and point total of the year. They had like 500 something yards of offense in that game. I'll do you one further, D.K. I think this came from the goat Bill Barnwell at ESPN. In their all-time history against each other. The Seahawks and Rams are 29 and 28 against one another. The Seahawks have the slide edge.

They're 29 and 28. And Seattle has scored 1,223 yards in those games. L.A. has scored 1,222 yards. Points. Points. Points. Damn it. One yard.

One point difference in the entire history. They are 29 and 28, and the Seahawks have scored one more point than the Rams. See, that's so good. That's so perfect. And I was on Bill's show the other day. Bill Simmons show. You can go check that up. And he asked me if Seahawks fans hate the Rams. And I was like, not really. That's not the right word. I think there's a grudging respect between the two teams because going back as long as I can remember

watching the Seahawks, or at least when they were in the same division, the Rams have always given the Seahawks trouble. Even when the Rams were one of the worst teams in the NFL, they were winning like two games a year when they were in St. Louis. They were still taking the Seahawks down to the final minute of every game. It was so frustrating. So these teams just have a history of going toe to toe. It always feels like a heavyweight bout every time they play. And it's never the same type of game either,

which is kind of what I was getting at it before. Like the two games that they played this year were totally different stylistically. And so, man, I don't know what to expect. I honestly don't know what to expect. I'm feeling good about the Seahawks. Like, I feel as good about the Seahawks as I have all year and as I possibly could right now.

But I'm also, I fear the Rams. I think they're a great coach team with a really good quarterback. and a lot of a good defense, a defense I can get after the quarterback and really has gotten into Sam Donald's head in the last couple of games they played. So this is just going to be a crazy game. I honestly don't know what to expect. And it still hasn't sunk into me that if the Seahawks win, they're going to the Super Bowl. Like that has not sunk in. It's kind of. Are you excited? I was going to say, I don't know.

It has not sunk in. I've been so busy doing draft guide stuff that I haven't really thought about the game or have been able to sit down and like really stew on this game. quite yet. I'll probably do that on Saturday, but it's just crazy that, you know, the last time this happened was 2014. The Seahawks beat the Packers in the NFC Championship game, one of the craziest games I've ever seen. And they went to the Super Bowl. Obviously, the Super Bowl was super depressing. But yeah, it's been, it's been a while since I've been in this position as a fan. So it's really exciting, but I'm also, it just hasn't sunk in for me yet. So Rams, this is the third time they're playing this season. The first game, the Rams won and Sam

Donald through four deceptions. The second game, the Seahawks won, 16 point comeback, maybe like the best Thursday football game ever. And that was the one of Rashid Shaheed. Shaheed. I rewatched and I think I forgot that that was actually, he was already in the end zone when that happened. I thought it was like the five yard line. The producer was in Al's ear like, Al, he literally scored. He scored. You got to say something. He's like lying down in the end zone. And he said he fielded the punt when he when Rashid Shaheed was like at the 10 yard liner. He was talking about a game from 20 years ago. What he feels? to the point. This was the Zach Sharbonate two-point conversion game to that one.

But if you, I keep including, I think it has to be included, if you go back like 53 weeks, the Sam Darnold Vikings meltdown that ended up giving the Vikings the confidence to let him go into Seattle, which was also against the Rams in the playoffs, or maybe that was the Wildcut round, sorry, that was definitely the Wildcard round. So 54 weeks. But if you include that, so Darnold's last three games versus the Rams, he has a grand total, of three touchdown passes, seven interceptions, and 13 sacks. And in Donald's last three games versus the Rams. I think that the term kryptonite is probably overused,

especially because I don't think anyone cares about Superband for Craig and I's age. But this is like a real, like he is powerless against this one team. So again, D.K., you pretty deftly, completely and utterly skirted by question earlier. But I will ask you again, how confident are you that Sam Donald will not go full CJ Stroud? I said I'm not confident. Okay, fine, fine.

You said you're not confident in Darnold and yet you're confident the Seahawks are going to win the game. I feel as good about the Seahawks defense, I guess I should say. Fine. Yeah. Let me rephrase. Who are you more confident will not lose the game for their team? Sam Darnold or Jarrett Stidham? I mean, I feel better about Sam Darnold than Jared Stidham.

Okay. We got to give them that much. But I mean, what your point is very correct that it's been. he's the Rams have been sort of the big bad for Darnold the last two years. Um, and it's very scary that this is a do or die game to go to the Super Bowl and Sam Donald has that history. I will say at the end of the last game between these two teams, Darnold did kind of get the monkey off his back a little bit.

He had a really good fourth quarter and a really good overtime period. He made some incredible play was it was overtime. He kind of blew it in the fourth quarter. Well, whatever happened, he had two touchdown passes in the fourth quarter, I believe. Yeah, but he also. And he had two interceptions to the fourth quarter too. I was like, I don't know.

I was looking back and I was like, man, he got to be. Well, the order in which it happened was he ended up doing well at the end. It won the game. Yeah, he won the fucking game. Stop. Super normal. I mean, obviously, I'm worried. What are you trying to get out of me exactly?

I feel like I've already answered your question five times. We're buttering you up to make you take the Rams and Ringer 107 at the end of this, at the end of the seven. Don't, yeah. Do you guys think the bird's eye view to like kind of, general fan's opinion on this game is that the Seahawks are the better team and should win. I feel like D.K. disagrees with this, but I've kind of been saying this the last few weeks that even though Sam Darnold led the NFL in turnovers this year, to me, as a non-Seahawk fan

who has not been watching every Seahawks snap religiously, it doesn't feel like Sam Darnold led the league in turnovers this year because they're 15 and three because they kick the shit out of everybody and they're a dominant team. So to me, I think going in a lot of people are going to be like, oh, the Seahawks just kicked the shit out of the Niners. They've been playing fantastic. Their defense looks unstoppable. And the Rams just look super shaky against Chicago and they barely won that game. I think the Seahawks are going to win. And to me, I'm much more nervous about this game.

And I know that the Seattle defense is obviously the best unit on the field. However, it's like, I zoom out for a brief moment. And I'm like, if I just talk to some, you know, a dad flew in and is sitting down to watch football for the first time this year. And I described to him the situation. I'm like, Sam Darnold and Mike McDonald in the NFC championship versus Matt Stafford, who's probably going to win the MVP, and Sean McVeigh, who have already won a Super Bowl. Who do you trust more? By the way, the last four games, Sam Donald was played against the Rams.

You have seven picks and 16 sacks. Who do you feel good about? To me, I'm like, God, I'm terrified of Sam Donald in this game. Yeah. So, yeah, what comes to my mind when you're talking about that is, like, my first defense of the Seahawks would be like, They have an awesome defense. Their defense is sick.

Yeah. But the two games that the Rams have played the CX this year, they've averaged 29 points. So these are the old, this is the only offense that they've really kind of sucked against. So, Rams had over like 500 yards of offense. Yeah.

And that crazy game in Seattle's the end of the season. That's really half the yards they've ever had against CX in their whole history, right? That's right. I think, I think the bottom line is that everything we kind of said and led up to this is like, this is going to be an amazing game. I truly don't know which way I lean on this game. I picked before the playoffs started, I picked the Rams to go to Super Bowl,

just because I thought they were kind of the red herring of the NFL. They lost late in the season and kind of fell off. But they were still one of the best teams. They had the MVP quarterback or one of the top MVP candidates in Matt Stafford. They got Sean McVeigh. They've done this before. They're Super Bowl champions with this nucleus. So I just kind of thought they're being overlooked.

But now when this is this game is really happening, it's just a true toss-up again. I do feel pretty good about the Seahawks. The way that the CX are playing right now, the confidence that they have, just the absolute ass-kickings that they gave to the 49ers the last two games, I feel like they're going to be really riding high

and then conversely, the Rams have been kind of, you know, they've been beat up. They had to play that really tough game in Chicago. And they just haven't been as sharp, I think, as they were for the most of the rest of the season over their last couple of games. So I think that kind of leads me to, I think the Seahawks might be able to pull this one out, plus they're at home.

It's what I'm saying. I do think that things that are leading you towards picking the Seahawks. The Rams haven't looked good in like a month. Right. They've been. They've been dominating people. I mean, they almost lost to the Panthers. They had to create a miracle come back to meet the Panthers.

They had a crazy game against Chicago. Stafford's fingers hurt. All this stuff. My fingers hurt. And yet, I don't know. I get really nervous. You know, this is like the Bill Simmons playoff manifesto type stuff where I'm like, on Monday morning, am I going to wake up and be like,

of course I should have chosen some mess. Stafford over San Donald. Like Matt Sam Donald led the league in turnovers this year. Matt Stafford threw for 46 touchdowns. He only had eight picks. He had 11 turnovers on 627 dropbacks this year. Stafford was really, really, really good this year.

And the Seahawks, by the way, haven't really been able to pressure Stafford in the two games that they've played him this year. I want to say they have zero sacks or one sack against Stafford all year. And that worries me because that's kind of the big part of Seahawks thing is that they are incredible at getting pressure getting sacks without blitzing. So, like from a chess point of view,

in terms of the chess match between McVeigh and McDonald, I think it's going to be really fun to see kind of how they change things up. Like I said, both games are totally different? What are they going to do to try and get more pressure on Stafford in this game? Are they going to, like, bring a really blitz-heavy something to the table? I don't know. It's just going to be a lot of fun to see kind of how this game plays out. Where is Sam Darnold's oblique at right now?

Is it good? I think it's fine. It's fine. The Arnold's oblique, I don't know, but you guys, if I watched last week's game of the Niners Seahawks game and I didn't know about Donald's oblique, it would not have occurred to me that his oblique was hurt. I mean, he played like two meaningful quarters and through like 16 passes. But the passes he threw were pretty incredible. I'm not worried about that. I, that's funny.

To me, that matters. I'm like, oblique injuries don't go away. Those are pretty serious injuries. And it's been like eight days since he last heard it. He didn't throw the ball for. He's going to be on a lot of drugs. I'm not really concerned. I mean, the fact that he had that Jackson Smith and Jigler throw rolling left to the end zone with the amount of hefty put on it.

I'm kind of like that's the exact kind of thing. Like the torque you need across your midsection. I don't know. I'm not going to pretend to know about injuries and just assume he's healed. But I'm like if he was hurt enough to not throw a pass for two days, I feel like that's not. You could say the same about Stafford too, right? Like his after he hurt his finger, his mother's fell. How about Stafford's back?

He had an airstream for three weeks in a parking lot. And then he's played all every game and he's going to win MVP. I'm not really worried. I don't know. Well, I watched him play 18 straight games and look great. Sam Darnold threw 16 passes. But I think, yeah, I get what you're saying. I don't know.

I think, Craig, I hear what you're saying about the whole, like, oh, if I pick the Seahawks and the Rams win and feel dumb taking Darnold over Stafford. Sure. If the Seahawks fucking obliterate the Rams, you're going to be like, oh, so this is one of the best defenses ever, and I didn't pick them, even though the ultimate playoff rule is defense wins championships in every sport. And the Seahawks are like a borderline historic defense. I mean, the other stats that's been going around,

I mean, so, well, one, Dante Coppola, Fleming had this that Matt Stafford led the NFL in passing yards. The Searx allowed the fewest points in the NFL. And then in the last 50 years, the player who led the league in passing yards is 0 and 6 in the playoffs versus the number one scored defense. And one of those, of course, was the Seahawks Broncos Super Bowl where the Legion of Boom went against the Peyton Manning offense

that broke every record in the... Did they win that Super Bowl? I don't remember. I don't know if the Syriks have... Yeah, maybe the Serks have one. Oh, they did. It was 43 to 8. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Right. I think that was a final score. It was an ass kicking. You're right. I mean, you're right. I understand defense wins championships things. But usually, you know, look at like the Eagles last year, right? Fantastic defense. But their quarterback was Jalen Hertz, who his entire persona is built around not turning over the football. And we've seen teams like Houston, who has a fantastic defense when you have guys like C.J. Stroud, they lose. So what are you saying here? You're saying Darnold does feel like he led the league in turnovers or doesn't? Because at one hand, you're saying you don't feel like you're worried about it. And now you're like, what if he pulls the Stroud?

I'm saying now that we're in the playoffs, and I'm looking back and going, holy shit, I didn't really realize that Darnold had led the league in turnovers this entire season because the Seahawks were winning these games. I'm now nervous against a team in the Rams who we can all agree are the second best team in the NFL that relying on a guy who led the league in turnovers

is a little nerve-wracking to me as all. Especially after the Seahawks just lost one of their reliable running backs in Zach Sharveny, who's... I do think that overall, that matters a lot. The Sharbony injury, I think the Rams are going to blitz the Seahawks a lot. And I think that the Sharbony injury matters because Ken Walker is like this boom bust runner. And I mean, Ken Walker has a lot of like, you know, to get stuff, but he also has big plays. The second ran Searx game this year, honestly,

the first three quarters basically was just all the CX yards, which is Ken Walker explosive plays and just big crazy plays that he was creating. But he has a lot of home runs and strikeouts. Zach Charbonnet is the on base guy. Zach Charbonnet is the one getting, grinding out the four yard carries and keeping the offense on schedule. And so I think when Zach Sharbonny's out, Ken Walker is going to get the most of the rushing workload. So now the run game's a little more home run hitting strikeouts. But the passing game is kind of also boombust. So now the CX offense can tend to be more boombust.

And I just feel like the Rams are going to blitz a lot. I feel like Cam Curl the safety is going to be almost what Jaquan Brisker and that Bears game was to the Rams. Where you saw like Jaquan Brisker and that Bears game against the Rams, he was like that one drive. He had like a huge, huge play to blow up a run in the backfield. Then the next plate is sack. and then on third long, get a pass breakup. I think that's actually going to be like Cam Curl in this game where he's going to be everywhere and just kind of in the box

and they're going to be trying to get Darnold into like these second and third and longs and then like trying to, I think they're going to blitz the shit out of them because they, I think the Rams haven't really glitzed Darnold in any of these past three games that they've played versus him. But I think they're going to want Darnold making a lot of quick decisions and they're going to trade getting gashed sometimes for they just kind of want, I think they're just going to want Darnold to throw a couple picks

and really make a mistake early and get in his head. I do think Darnold's, like, I can't remember a game where a quarterback's like mental resiliency felt like such a part of the equation where like, Darnold's the scene ghost guy. And ironically, if the Seawks win this game, you might get to play the Patriots, which was the seeing ghost game. But Darnold's ability to make a mistake early in this game and move on, I can't remember the last time it felt so important to a game. Yeah, when the Rams were able to pressure Donald this year, he had a 50% completion rate, one touchdown and four picks. Yeah. And the old.

overall turnover margin in the two games that they played is seven to one. So the Seahawks seven turnovers in the Rams only one turnover. But a testament to Seattle's defense that all both those games are so close. Despite that. Well, at the defense, we have to, the Seox defense is the reason I, I am going to push to take them also because D.K. is a Seox fan. And I kind of refuse to root against the Seahawks or D.K. would be funny, though. It would be funny. Emotional hedge.

I mean, just to get through this. So first, we just, so Aaron Schatz does the stack called DVOA, which we talk about, but just a reminder what DVOA is, which is it's like context-adjusted performance, so it's like it's 10 yards don't play good. Well, 10 yards is great on 3rd and 10, and 10 yards is pretty shitty on 3rd and 20. And then if you do that versus the Jets,

it's not really as impressive as doing it versus the Texans. That's kind of all DVOA is. It's taking all these stats we talk about into a context. So with DVOA, which is really, really, matches the eye test, the best scoring teams by DVO, the best teams in the history of the DVOA stat are the 1991 Washington team,

the 2007 Patriots that went, you know, 18 and 1, the 85 bears, the 1989 49ers, and then fifth on the list is this year's Seattle Seahawks. They're somehow higher than the frickin Seahawks who beat Peyton Manning in 2013, like one of the greatest defenses I've ever seen in my life. They're somehow better in DVOA than that team. And this is the other thing that I was going to bring up. By the way, this is, I saw this from Aaron Schatz, too. This is the best game of all time in the playoffs,

according to the DVOA matchup. This is two of the top 10 teams in DVOA history. I don't know. That's Steelers, that Steelers Texans game. That was real football. And I do feel like it's been building to this for the last two months, right? Like we've been talking about this for a while. I will say that the other, the couple things I wanted to add to the to the mix here that kind

of again, sort of pushed me in the Seahawks direction a little bit, even though I'm very wary of doing this is number one, it's playing in Seattle. The Seahawks atmosphere in Lumen Field, formerly CenturyLink, it feels like it's back. I talked to a couple of people that were at that game last week against 49ers. And the vibes are just out of control good. You hear people talking about how loud it is in there. It's not been the case really for the past six, seven years that that's been a good home field advantage. In fact, they haven't really had a very strong home field advantage there.

But it does feel like that is back. That's like a big variable here. The crowd noise. it's going to be very hard to communicate for the Rams. There was this funny video going around this week where Matt Stafford was trying to give a play call to the offense. And Sean McVease just like in his ear for like 10 or 15 straight seconds. He's like, he's still talking.

He's still talking. He's like, oh my God, shut up. I got it. I got it. So that's going to be a variable potentially here is they're going to have to go to like silent counts and things like that. The communication between Stafford and McVeigh is going to be affected. theoretically. Obviously, their veteran coach and quarterback, they've been together a long time,

probably not going to be like a huge devastating factor. But I do think it is something to talk about. And the other big thing. And this goes along with the home field advantage as special teams have been such a detriment for the Rams. The Seahawks are one of the best special teams teams in the NFL. Uh, your, Rashidjaheed has been a massive, massive X factor for him. The Seahawks have scored a league high. This is from Rich Rebar five touchdowns on special teams this year. Rams missed the kick in that second game. And that's why the game went to overtime. The Rams missed a field goal from 38 yards.

And they gave up a return touchdown. So they're in their top three in kickoff return yardage and punt return yardage. So the CX got the Rams special teams coordinator fired after their last game. So that's a big variable here. And I think this is one of the things you talk about the CX all year long. It's like they're just very good in all three phases. Offensively, they score a ton of points. Defensively, they're one of the best units we've seen in a long.

time, maybe history and special teams, they're very good on special teams. Their punters very good. Their kicker has been very reliable for the most part. Um, so yeah, God, again, I don't know where to go with this, this game. It's going to be awesome. I do slightly lean Seahawks because they're at home, but, um, this does feel like a game where anything can happen. Rashich is a big difference maker. Yeah. He is the type of, he's the type of player who's on Super Bowl winning teams. Also, I think they're going to use him in the backfield because now Charbonnet is gone. He could be a little bit more of an X factor in the run game. They've gotten a lot of success from him where they're doing like reverses and things like that, where they line him up in the

backfield. So could be some creativity coming from that point of view. I agree with that a lot. I think that that's actually been a theme of the playoffs. I think receivers in the backfield has been a theme actually in a lot of teams. And I agree. I think that she hit wasn't as integrated in the passing offense as you would think after he's traded there, even though Kubiak was his offensive coordinator in New Orleans. You'd think there'd be a little more integration, like, of just him being used more. But the Rams game, the second one that Seattle won in Seattle flipped when she did the punt return, but also on offense, he had basically did the like, you're getting Xavier worthy style. Like, hey, we've just recreated a punt for you. Like, do that. And he had a huge play on that one, too.

I think it was maybe called back. But he was such a spark. And I think the Seahawks used the two weeks. I don't know. But I kind of would be shocked if the Seahawks did not use the two weeks on by to create more Shaheed plays into the offense. And I don't think they had to use any of them because they were up like 17 to nothing on the Niners like immediately. So I don't think they have. There's 17 completions in that game. Yeah, exactly.

And I'm like, so he's actually playing more on offense. So I think he's a huge part of the game. The other part is just Kobe Turner. Like I rewatch that game. Kobe Turner was just everywhere dominating the interior, which was again, that's, I mean, every quarterback's issue is when there's interior pressure up the middle. But like it was actually Grace Abel's probably worst game of the season was actually against the Rams.

And it's like the Rams defensive line. It's when the Seahawks are in obvious passing situations, the Rams defense kind of cooks them. But when the Seahawks are staying on the Charbonnet schedule and they're getting the second and Mids and the Rams can't, defensive line doesn't get the, it's just cool as a pass rusher to be able to just say, I'm going to go sack Sam Darnold.

It's more annoying to be like, oh, I guess I have to also consider a run here. And that is kind of what it comes down to. I think the Rams defensive line, if they're going to have like the third and longs over and over, It's like, it's hard to ask Donald to do that over and over and over again. Yeah. It is funny how often the defense beats the offense historically.

Like, I mean, you go back to like the 16 and no Patriots. You look at like the Denver Broncos team against Seattle that the Seahawks allegedly won that Super Bowl. You're making a Bill Simmons joke right now, by the way. And Bill had D.K. on to apologize, which I thought was really funny. He's like, I have nothing else. It was a brain fart. I got nothing for you, which I respected. And then, I mean, look, the Rams in 2019 against the Patriots who were a phenomenal offense,

with golf and Todd Gurley and stuff, went in and lost 30. I think that was 133. Was that that Super Bowl? Yeah, that was where the Rams had like the unstoppable offense. And then in the Super Bowl, Bill Belichick basically came up with a new way to stop their offense and they couldn't adjust. Bill Belichick was quite literally like, I have been doing this before you were born, literally. And I'm going to pull out a 1991 game plan.

History suggests the defense usually wins. The thing that's, I've had in my mind a couple times this week about this game is how much, that Super Bowl loss to Belichick kind of sticks in McVeigh's mind and how important it is for him, I think, to not lean on kind of the things that got them there, basically not just be too much too predictable. And like go back to last week. It was kind of strange. Last week, the Rams.

11th and play almost 11, like almost exclusively 11 personnel after 13 personnel was their main thing all year long and they were so successful out of it. And they came out and kind of changed everything up. It wasn't like a wholesale change, but it was very different from what they normally were doing. It was different. I also think the bears blitzed them out of it. I think they were trying to put the three tight ends on the field.

And the bears kept blitzing RISker and the defensive backs. And that forced the Rams to kind of go from three tight ends to more like three receivers. And that was also response to what the bears were doing. So I kind of wonder the Seahawks might do that too. The Seahawks might try to blitz them and put them in three receivers instead of three tight ends because it worked. Yeah. I that was kind of what I was getting at is like I think McVeigh is going to have something of his sleeve I think that McDonald's can have something up his sleeve to be different from

what they've done I saw uh Robert Mays did a really cool video on the Seahawks defense over at the athletic and he kind of talked about how the Seahawks have been they've lived in too high they live in nickel and dime packages they almost never play base and they're really good three linebackers on the field the sox are like we're always just going to have we're going to have five defensive backs out there. So that's nickel. So nickel is five defensive backs. Dime is five, six or more. Which is stupid because a nickel is five, but a dime is ten. So it's a dumb name. But anyway, they, they've lived in that all year. And I don't think they're going to do base. But the one thing that they might change up is they might blitz more in this game. That's kind of risky, obviously,

when you're playing against Stafford, because he's just so good. But they haven't been able to get pressure on him in the two games that they played. Yeah, you mentioned you thought, they actually haven't sacked the Seahawks have not sacked Matt Stafford since Mike McDonnell became the coach for the Seahawks. They haven't sat them since 2023. Mike Sean Dukard said that on your friend Jackson Bevin's podcast. Cigar thoughts, which is a great episode. But I could, my jaw dropped when he said that. They haven't sacked Matt Stafford in two seasons.

I think he missed a game or two in that stretch. Yeah, it's been three games, but there's, I mean, it's a lot of dropbacks, it's been a lot of plays for the Rams. Yeah, for a team who has been one of the best at getting pressure this year, uh, they don't blitz very much. I think they're like one of the highest pressure rate teams in the NFL and one of the lowest blitz rate teams in the NFL. However,

the thing that Mays pointed out is when the CX do blitz, it's like a power up button. It's like they're, you know, their after burner thing. They are one of the best teams at getting pressure and getting sacks of the last five years when they do blitz. So maybe this is kind of

something that they've been like putting in their back pocket and saving. I don't know. I obviously have no idea what the game plan is going to be. But that's going to be something I'm watching. How much are they going to blitz in this game? How are they going to do different things to get pressure on Stafford? Because it just hasn't really worked in the first two games. And so again, this is the chess match.

It's going to be crazy. Is it called a dime package because on a dime package, there's two nickel corners and two nickels is a dime? You know, that makes sense. Probably is it. Yeah. Oh, wow. We figured it out.

It was just right there in front of us. That's probably it, right? And two nickels. You don't want two nickels is a dime. Yeah. That's cool. No one even uses dimes anymore. They don't even make pennies.

They stop making pennies. I can't believe it. That's why, yeah, they kind of just, I feel like they just decided that. Does people in your generation have cash? Do you guys carry cash? No, I, no one. People in our generation and really the generation below us, they don't even carry wallets. You just pay with your phone.

I like having cash on me, but I think I'm the only one I know that feels that way. Everyone who's like 50 and up always tells me you need to carry around cash at all times. And then everyone who's like 20 years and younger is like, I literally, don't even carry a wallet around me. I just use that. Where do you even get cash? Where do you, where does that come from?

It's, yeah, it's funny because it used to feel like, I think back in the day when kids like first got a credit card, that felt like free money. And now $20 bills to me feels like free money. Because I'm like,

this is off the grid. Yeah. There's no paper trace. There's no receipt of this. Like I could use anything for this 20 bucks and nobody will know. Yeah. I'm like,

their credit card is traced. There's a fucking description of what I bought here. don't like that. It's like it's a boomer thing too. It's like there's a Venn diagram between like parents who are like telling kids when you are trying to drive somewhere they're telling you how to get there like and you're like I just need an address and they're like okay so you get on the highway and then you get off at exit 14 take a let me like no no no no no no stop I'm gonna apply those people also

carry cash. I carry cash for the record. I mean I'll even use whatever navigation system to get home from a place that I've come from a thousand times like driving from the office to my apartment is something I've literally done a thousand times and yet I will always use my maps still. Is that mainly to see the traffic? Yeah, I think it's just in case there's like an accident. It'll take me around it. But even if there was and I still would. We've been

trained out of it though. No, it's because the critical thinking, we just don't have critical thinking while with driving. It's like, I've got to have maps on, I'm going to think about, I'm going to like listen to something. I've got to focus on my podcast. Exactly. I'm listening to. Should we move on in the other game? Or should we I have an email about boomers

on this note? No, we should We should get through Drake May versus Jared Stidham. Okay. Well, before we do that, though, put a pin in this. We'll go to Ringer 107 later, but like we need to roughly be on the same page here. Do we believe in Sam Darnold? Yes or no, because it's either you can be like, oh, he might be good and bad maybe. But no, no, no.

He's either going to become a fucking pumpkin again and we're all going to be like, wow, Charlie Brown, like this happened again or, oh my God, he did it. Like, he played really well in this game. And I kind of want to make you guys pick one. And I am really, I am willing to be stupid. I actually believe in Darnold in this game. I'm going to get outnumbered. I think I would pick the Rams, but I'm happy to take Seattle.

No, why did you leave me to it? You're obviously talking Seattle. You're taking Seattle. You shouldn't even leading Seattle. I'll take Seattle. I would take the points with the Rams, but I don't feel strongly. Okay. AFC championship game.

To be honest with you, it's the exact same thing. We can talk about the Patriots and the freaking Broncos all we want, the deep dude Jared Stidham starting this game this is unbelievable I I don't even know what to say I mean Jared Stidham first of all he's played four games and started four games in the NFL all four games were because the starter ahead of him was benched because the team owed him an injury guarantee if he got hurt and they wanted to keep the guy healthy and two starts in 20 22 for Derek Carr Derek Carr if he'd gotten hurt they owed him like $20 million but they didn't know him any money if you got hurt so he had two starts there and then same exact thing happened

with Russell Wilson the next year where they're like if Russell Wilson gets hurt we own like $40 million we can't cut him so that's isn't entire career is just like re-benched healthy players. This is the first time. That's not the reason he's playing. Should we do a little background on Jared Stidham for those who literally don't know who he is? Please.

So just for some general background information. Jared Stidham, 29 years old. He was the 49. Yeah, 29, a little older than I thought. I think I would have said 27. He was a former fourth-run pick out of Auburn. He was drafted by the Patriots. He was then on the Raiders as Hyphitz outlined.

And now he's been on the Broncos since his 2023. he will be just the seventh quarterback to start in the postseason after not starting a game in the regular season. The previous six went one in five. And this will be Stidham's fifth career start in the NFL. He has not thrown a pass since January 7th, 2024 in a real game. And he has 197 pass attempts career. And in those, he had eight touchdowns, eight picks. The thing I would add is that when he was drafted to the Patriots, it was like Josh McDaniels was the quarterback coach.

McDaniels was his quarterback coach for two years at the Patriots, and then he also was the reason that he ended up on the Raiders in 2022. So he spent three of his however many seasons in the NFL under Josh McDaniels, who's obviously on the Patriot staff, and it's their coordinator. The other thing Craig left, you left out two essential things about Jared Stidham. Okay. One, he's the speaker guy.

I learned this from someone of the Broncos beat. He is in charge of the speakers in the Broncos locker room. He's on Oaks? He's on Oaks? He does the White Boy Wednesdays? White Boy Wednesdays he does he brings the waterproof speakers into the showers I guess and he's I thought white boy Wednesday was Houston I was kidding I didn't want to I didn't want to that was a joke but yeah no but anyway Stidham's the speaker guy which I couldn't tell if that was

Nick or not because I I'm like that's not a Nick it's the opposite kind of alpha right yeah it's a huge sign of trust yeah yeah the other thing the most important person at a party's the team the team is behind this guy he's leadership qualities really trust his taste that means a lot true. It also there's an established trust of him. Like people trust him to play music. That actually you know, it's important. The other thing, Greg Rousinthal pointed this out, I couldn't believe it.

So you know that meme that went around when Joanne Jennings in the Niners Eagles game had the longest pass at the game? Like he threw the trick play to Christian McCaffrey. And then it went around the meme that he was like in the high school quarterback rankings. Joanne Jennings was a higher ranked high school recruited quarterback. Then like Joe Burrow and Sam Darnold and Lamar Jackson and all these people. He was like right there with Kyler,

the person who was number one on that list was Jared Stidham. Wow. Was he a five star? Yeah, he was like the 13th player. So anyway, there have been moments throughout Jared Stidham's career where I remember in like the off season it was kind of oh, Jared Stidham actually might be the guy. Like the coaching staff might actually just want to like start the season with Jared Stidham.

There's been a little bit of that. But it's clearly never materializing was not a real thing. The point being that there's tools. Like he is like he is going to be able to move and he has an arm. I this get dude it's so funny I got to tell you I was thinking about it this way if you flip Drake May and Jared Stidham like Drake May was on the Broncos and Stidham was on Patriots the line in this game that where we would pick the Patriots would have to be 14 right probably like the Broncos are such a better team to me and Drake May is such a better

quarterback I that I actually have talked myself into the Broncos and then in the sober light of the post-game clarity, I'm like, I am not picking Jared Stead him to go to the Super Bowl. I think you have more of a chance than you think. It's the bell curve. I'm like, Jared said him, no way. And then I think about it for a while. And I'm like, well, Sean Payton in his defense, Drake May's actually been pretty loose these playoffs.

Like, you could win with a backup in one game. Look at what LaFlor can do with Malik Willis or Josh Jobs in Minnesota won his first game. Look at Mac Jones on the Niners. Like, you can win a game with Sean Payton. The Patriots offensive line is terrible. Will Campbell in his T-Rex arms. Since his MCL's brain and his team. Could you win this game, 20 to 17?

Sure you could. And then I'm like, no, what are we doing? Jared's good. I think that's pretty much where I am also. It's funny because I do think the people writing off Denver completely are making a mistake. I do think that they have a good enough defense or at home, you know, all that stuff. And Sean Payton is a great coach. And there's just a lot of variables that I think the Broncos will stay in this game.

I think the one thing, well, there's multiple things I'm worried about with Stidham, though. It's like, Bo Nix has been so crucial for Denver this year. because of what he's done late in games. Denver is 12 and 2 in one score games this year. That was from Rich Rebar. That is incredible. And that just is a testament to what Nick's is able to do late in games, obviously. And I don't think I trusted him to like be a hero in those last moments of a big game.

Can I give you an intrusive thought? Yes. I don't believe this. This is an intrusive thought. Part of me is like, you know, the reason Bo Nix has to bail out all the time is because the Broncos were losing late in games. And part of me is like, what if Jared's did him? just has them right early in the game. And what if he's better than Bo Nix?

Like I keep wondering, what if he just plays better? Well, I don't think it's what if he's better. It's like the Broncos offense wasn't that good with Bo Nix. And I don't know if that means I'm more confident what they could do with Jared Sidham or less. But I'm like, this offense was kind of mediocre this year and the defense is really good. And they won close, low scoring games. So I'm like, maybe they can be okay with Jared Stey. I don't actually believe that.

But I have been wondering of like, what is the percentage chance we come out of this? I'm like, yeah, Jared's did him way better. Like, actually, I don't play his bow nicks. It'd be funny. But no, I don't know. I think that the rust thing is real. Like, he isn't play. Like, the whole stat of, like, he hasn't, the gap between his last start and his next

playoff starts, like, by far the most ever for a guy who's going to play in the playoffs. And the rust is real. I- I- It's the whole week to practice. It's like- That is true. Infinitely better than him coming in, like, you know, in the first quarter of

Nick's got hurt or whatever. It's like, that's a huge, huge difference. Not that I'm saying it's enough, but that does make a difference. I think that how this game is going to go. I think New England is going to, you know that scene in Pirates of the Caribbean when Jack Sparrow, like, he fights Orlando Bloom the first time? And he, like, in the sword room. And they're just like, oh, not bad, actually.

How's your footwork? And then they just, he just tests his game for like a full minute. And he's like, oh, it's pretty, I think that's the pages. They're going to back up. They're like, go ahead. Let's see it. Can you make screens? Cool.

Can you do it? And they're just going to actually see literally, can he even run the offense? Like, go ahead. And the first drive, Sean Payton is going to try to do like the B side of the record. And then that second. drive's going to be like, here's how we actually think we can move the ball for Jared Stidham in this game. And I think the Patriots, they're not going to go crazy or anything to be it. They're just going to see, can he actually operate the offense? This person has not done it in two years. And then

if that doesn't go well, I will be very concerned. But I wouldn't be shocked if Stidham kind of dices up like a softer Patriots defense in the beginning of the game. And then they kind of decide what they're doing and then they could put the clamps on. But I don't know. I just think the problem for Broncos in this game Isn't just that. It's everything. It's the starting center, I think, is coming back from injured reserve. But the center's banged up. The backup center is banged up with the quarterback. And then you also have, you know, Pat Bryant might play in this game,

but the first three passes of the Bill's Broncos game went to Pat Bryant. He had a concussion. Maybe the odds are a little better. He comes back because it's eight days, I think, between the games instead of seven. But that's not good. And then who Troy Franklin, which I guess his whole thing was kind of connected with Bo Nix because they played together to Oregon. But Troy Franklin is a hamstring injury.

I don't know if that gets better at a week. So the Broncline. are a little thinner at receiver. Like it's kind of, I just feel like it's going to be a lot of screens to Marvin Mims. Like they need a lot of Marvin Mims, wacky stuff. I actually think they're going to have to test Christian Gonzalez down fear with Coralton Sutton because I got, they threw, I think they threw Christian Gonzalez. The Texans did last week like 16 times, which I don't really think, I don't know.

I feel like everyone's like Christian Gonzalez is good. And maybe you guys don't feel this way. I feel like when a cornerback is labeled as really good in the media, no one ever checks on it ever again. Right. No one ever follows up. You don't hear his name. No. And I just think Christian Gonzalez we decided was good this year. But I, the Texans decided we're going to have a rookie Jaden Higgins. We're going to throw out Christian Gonzalez 16 times. I kind of think the Broncos think Corton Sutton's better than Jane Higgins. And like that's going to be their shot is quote. Now, maybe not because they're going to be conservative. But I don't know. I think it's

going to be a lot of dink and dunk from Sean Peyton mixed with some crazy ass Sean Peyton like I did an on sides kick in the Super Bowl, Sean Peyton. I think RJ Hart Harvey, the running back's going to throw a pass in this game. I think you're going to have flea flickers. Like, I think you're going to have a lot of. Some tight end you've never heard of is going to score a touchdown. Yeah. Yeah.

Like, like, sixth offensive lineman. Like, I think this is like every trick in the book. Oh, God. Who was that sixth the lineman from last week? That's put a touchdown. What was that? Oh, they threw it and it was like a chum or something. Yeah, I guess that guy kind of blew it for everybody.

It is going to be, it has to be a kitchen sink game. It's why it's going to stink if, if the, if, if, If Sean Payton pulls this off and they make the Super Bowl, and then they have to go play like the Seahawk with Jared Stidham, and now Mike McDonald's got tape on Stidham. Like, D.K., it's funny, because, do you think the margin of victory for Seattle against Jared Stidham would be bigger or smaller than the Seahawks margin of victory

against the best offensive all time in Peyton Manning? That's a good question. Like, would they win? When they went to get by 35 points? Would the Seahawks beat Jared Stidham by 35 points? probably. Maybe. Like, we desperately need New England to win this game. We can't have Jared Stenham. I mean, squeeze his way into the Super Bowl. Speak for yourself. Well, then have Seattle playing Jared Stitton. We can't. Also, if the Broncos win this game, what you're going to hear

because Sean Payton also is talks to more people in the media than anyone over text. Like, people can just text him. Like, he doesn't have like a, he's, he's laying out the narrative. He's clearly not texted me. And well, or yet anyway. Might be, how you try mad texts, but yeah. All we're going to hear, though, is the Broncos win this game is that no coaches ever won the Super Bowl of two different teams, which is insane, but it's true. And then if he does it with Jared Stidham and Bo Nix is hurt. I mean, I'll stop making fun of them if they win the Super Bowl. Unfortunately, we probably will have to.

And else people will come for us. But it's insane that it's either going to be that or the Patriots versus in a rematch of a game, the Patriots have already won. It's either going to be Patriots Seahawks or Patriots Rams. We're going to hear about that or we're going to have to do two weeks of Jared Stidham content, which, man, we're going to need that playlist, Jared. If you can fucking help us, please. But yeah, the only thing I will get, the only thing I will get,

to the part in the middle. Like at the beginning of this conversation, Jared's did him. We're not going to bet him. The end's going to be Jared's did and we're not going to bet him. I will admit the middle is the rookie left tackle, Will Campbell played well.

And then he went on injured reserve for his knee. And I think that people have gone too far. He's been awful. People, he got cooked. He got cooked. And that's the thing. People, it's not about his arms. It's his legs.

He has an MCL injury in his returned and has been absolutely destroyed. And to the, where I forget the exact step, I give him, what, two forced fumbles and three sacks and all the stuff. Will Anderson had his, way with Will Campbell. But the stat line Will Anderson had has only been done one other time in the history of the

playoffs. And it was the other guy who faced Will Campbell the week before for the Chargers, which is a horrible, horrible sign. Yeah. And so you have the Broncos who have 68 sacks, the most sacks in the history of the team. They've broncos have led the league in sacks for two years in a row. Nick Benito is out here. You know, it's not easy to make sack as Josh Allen. And Nick Benito's coming out of halftime.

I mean, I know the play before the first half is what people remember where Josh Allen kind of threw the ball away. but they also came out in the second half of the Bill's Broncos game, and Nick Benito goes ahead and strip sacks Josh Allen again immediately to start the half. And I just think Nick Benito and this Broncos defense that had the most sacks in the NFL is going to attack this Patriots offense where they have two rookies on the offensive line. It's by far the weakest part of the entire Patriots roster is the offensive line. It's a crazy mismatch.

Drake May fumbled four times last week. And that is the other part of this where if the Patriots lose, we're going to be like, oh, yeah, we will be like, oh, yeah, we will. remember the CJ Stroud Patriots performance for years of how bad he was. And the weirdest stat from the whole game is that Drake May had more picks and fumbles in that game than C.J. Stroud did. And now he has to face the defense. That's like the next best defense after the Texans. And the Texans just, the ball didn't bounce their way. But if these fumbles bounced toward the Broncos, that is definitely, I think, the way the New England's going to look. The X factor.

This is going to be super simplistic. And I think that's kind of like, sometimes it is good to just take a look from 30,000 feet. And we talk about this all your, it's like a huge narrative. Maybe it's a cliche, but the teams that go to the Super Bowl are usually the teams that catch fire or peak at the right time. You know what I mean? Like, I'm thinking of the Ravens with Flacco for in 2012. Like they just peaked at the right time.

They're so good for those four or five games. How would ever be they played. I think it was whatever was three or four games. And it does just feel to me like. the teams that are peaking right now are the Seahawks and the Patriots the the Rams are the the Rams are the Patriots peaking I think the Rams are the Patriots peaking well they've just beaten the Chargers and the Texans two really good defenses I think their run game has been pretty good Drake May has been I think

really admiral he's played really admirably right admirably against two very admiral he he did it he's done an admiral job against two good defenses admiral job and I think on I think on I think maybe they're not peaking, but relative to the Broncos who really kind of, they did not go strongly into the playoffs and then they beat the bills, but then they lost their starting quarterback. To that point, D.K.

They are not peaking. By DVA, the Patriots best four defensive performance of the year by DVA are New England's last four games. The last four games are their best four. Conversely, and this is again from Rich Rebar, the Denver defense has not been nearly as good in the second half of the season as it was in the first half of the season.

They're kind of going in the wrong direction. He listed out all these games. You know, they gave up a bunch of yards and points to the commanders and Marcus Marioo. They gave up a bunch of points in yards to Jordan Love, Trevor Lawrence and Josh Allen. So again, I'm just being super simplistic, top level stuff. Like, who's playing better right now? That's another way to kind of look at this.

I mean, I don't think we talked about the spread yet, but the Patriots are only favored by four and a half points in this game, which... Well, it flipped like, but the Broncos were originally favored. So it flipped a touchdown for Jared Stidham. Yeah, but I guess. I guess I'm a little surprised that there's only a two point difference between the Ram Seahawks spread and the Jared Stedham, Drake May spread. Yeah, but also seven points, you don't usually, I mean, what do you wanted to move by? Because I don't, it takes Aaron Rodger, it takes like Stafford to Jared Stidham to move a line 10 points.

You know what I mean? Like it moves, it moved seven points, I believe. Yeah, the line right now is four and a half. Yeah, I said five. Yeah, that's, to me that's crazy. I guess we got to do it. I just feel like everything we're saying is... I feel like all of us are not going to blink and we're going to take New England minus four and a half, which I mean, everyone will take New England minus four and a half,

which maybe we'll learn that Vegas knows all and they're right, but to me that line seems low. I think it will be a close game and New England will win. And honestly, we're all going to lose the bets and New England will win the game, which is the worst case in era. But Patriots can win my three because I think that what they're... I think that Rable, unlike the Texans, who made the sin of Stroud fumbled five times

and then somehow came into four first half picks, I think Drake May will be more prepared to not turn the ball over. Because I think Vrable and Josh McDaniels understand that if the Patriots don't turn the ball over, they're overwhelmingly likely to win this game because of the nature of it. And I just trust the coaching staff to make those corrections more than I trust. Trusted the Texans, for example. I'm just disappointed that they're gone. But overall, I don't know.

The other part, I do keep wondering about the digs in this game too, because I keep thinking about that Broncos Jags game or Parker Washington just kind of kept burning. Ironically, McMillan, who had that pick on Brandon Cooks that no one will stop talking about is, I kind of think that's who actually the Patriots are going to target this game. Is it going to be Diggs on McMillan? Yeah. Anyway, we can talk about this a lot, but it's, we're not taking Jared instead of, right? I don't know. Like, to me, the Denver offense, I think they were 16th and 19th in success right this year. They were 16th in scoring. and a lot of the mobility stuff

that Bo Necks brings to the table was a huge piece of I feel like what that offense was capable of and Bo Nix bailing them out of things hitting big throws on the run, scrambling, saving them on third downs. Is a little bit of Brock Purdy in them. Totally. And I'm like, man,

they also can't run the ball. I mean, they ran for like 40 yards last week against Buffalo and New England is a good run, D. I, to me, I feel comfortable taking four and a half and I think we don't overthink this. I think so. Sweet. The Ringer Fantasy football show

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Visit cpg.org slash chat in Connecticut. Okay. You just want to do ringer 107 right now, and then we'll get to the news and the Bill's press conferences. Or, okay, let's just finish up these games. So Ringer 107. Today's Ringer 107 is brought to you by Fandall. We are going, we're in this contest with all the other ringer pods.

Time for first. No big deal, even though, you know, they're trying harder, but we're winning. So, uh, so we're doing this with whatever thinking. We're taking the Cilocks, giving two enough points to the Rams because I, Craig can disagree and you can say I told you so if Darnel sucks. I don't want to be in the position of the C-Hawks, winning against the Rams and Danny Kelly is like on the precipice of his team going to the Super Bowl and I'm like rooting against his team I don't want that to happen that might not be good for our

friendship yeah no I want to be on your side be careful what you say to me on Sunday what are you talking about I'm taking the Seahawks with you're rooting for your brother I'm not going to be rooting for them if we have the Seahawks in 107 maybe secretly but that's fair that's fair that's fair Seahawks and we're taking we're taking New England yeah yeah you know it's I can what we should really do is make one of our bets the Patriots to win by exactly three points so that we lose the bet, but the Patriots go to the Super Bowl because that's what's going to happen. I just, I can't imagine. I can't believe that we're so close to Jarrett instead of being in the Super Bowl.

I know. We're not acknowledging this. Yeah, I don't understand it. And I won't acknowledge it. What's the spread going to be? What's the Seahawks, Denver spread going to be? 30s, it's a funny point. Well, they beat the greatest offense ever by more or less than.

the Rams or the Seahawks, it probably would be like eight or eight, maybe. Oh, what do you think? I wonder what the largest Super Bowl spread of all time is. Oh, that's a fun question. It's probably, it's probably the third one. It has to be the Jets Colts game, but the Super Bowl three. I can't imagine there was ever a bigger spread than that. Maybe championship games.

So the, the Chargers versus 49ers and 95. It was an 18 point spread? What? Oh, yeah. Well, that's because, yeah, so the NFC. It was 18 and a half. the Niners were fucking good apparently 95 Niners

The NFC championship game was seen as the Super Bowl For like a really long time Like the team that won the NFC Just won the Super Bowl for like Mostly for like 15 years That's wild And they covered Oh did they?

They won 4926 That's awesome Well keep that in mind So what are the other bets we're going to do here So we have to have four bets in this round. We have to have some props to. I, part of me thinks,

should we just try to put rushing? What is it? What's the number? Should we just not care? Do it? Let me see what I can. I'll find it real quick. It's 30.5.

Done. Give me that. And then what else? I kind of like his confidence. Fuck it. Done. Give me that. The other one I want,

Rashid Shaheed's receiving is over 23 yards. And he hasn't done that a lot. He's done it like twice since he's been a Seahuk. I kind of just love the idea of us. getting that in one play. Don't book it. Want it. So there we spent notes,

Drake Mae over rushing yards blind. We don't know. What is it 30, whatever? 30 and a half. Okay, 30 and a half and then she heat over 23 and a half receiving yards or whatever the I'll pull up the yardage is. That one scares me a little. I'll be honest, but I mean,

why? Because he's done it once in like three months. Yeah, they just don't really use him on offense. But I mean, he is such an electric player that I don't like hate this. No, there is absolutely no. If it was rushing or receiving yards, I'd feel better about it. There is no statistical argument I can make that she will do just. It's just all vibes on it.

It's entirely the idea that they have had at this point three weeks to get this man the ball. And I just think they will. But no, he's had like two catches a game. So no, I mean, by all means, we can do something else. Yeah. In the last. Okay, this is their last four games. Here's his receiving guards.

0-280 Yeah That's fine It's 20 what 23 Why is it so high Get out of here Vegas He's fucking good

All right We'll take it Maybe he just needs one He just needs one He's like my God That is that is a high number Actually You know it's funny

I was gonna offer to let you guys Pick something else I actually now I'm dug it I kind of want to keep it I don't I'm fine What do you guys want? No, no, I don't.

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We got this Bill's owner doing this press conference that made everything worse. It's one of the funnier, non-Jerry Jones owner press conferences in a long time. Yeah. Tough beat for Keon Coleman. Everyone's basically arguing over who took him, which was like the worst pick of the year. No, I didn't take him.

You took him. Do you remember Keon Coleman when he was drafted and he was like going shopping for like a coat in Buffalo? And it was so sweet. And everyone's like, wow, this is like the sweetest guy. And everyone loved him. And now literally the owner is throwing coaches under the bus because they wanted him. He's watching people. Keon Coleman is sitting at home watching people fight over who deserves blame for taking him.

God, that sucks. For those who didn't see this, so Terry Pegula who the, or Pegula, who owns the bills, whose daughter is also competing in the Australian Open right now. So the owner of the bill said, did this joint press conference with Brandon B and the GM, because the GM got promoted to president, but head coach Sean McDermott got fired. And it was just like...

Which a lot of people thought was the exact opposite of what they should have done. Yes. And so it was one of those peaks behind the curtain where you're like, you know what, this is just an old man who's very angry. And so Terry Pickle, Brandon Bean, the G. and now president was asked about the Keon Coleman, you know, he was a healthy scratch for four games.

Like, I know Keon Coleman, I feel bad for him, but also he literally, I think he was late for something, but he, first run pick who literally was healthy and did not play for a month on a team. Healthy scratch. That's how bad he was. So the owner interrupts the answer from the GM and says, I'll address the Keon Coleman situation. The coaching staff pushed to draft Keon.

I'm not saying Brandon wouldn't have drafted Keon, but Keon was not Brandon's next choice. That was Brandon Bean being a team player and taking the advice of his coaching staff, who felt strongly about the guy. And you know, he's taken for some reason heat over it. I'm not saying a word about it, but I'm here to tell you the true story, which was the end quote. And then all these videos came out, Brandon Bean at the, at the combine saying like, they had a piece of paper that said Keon Coleman no matter what written down.

We found that. No, basically he was really into him. Yeah. Yeah, he was at the combine talking, oh, he's slow 40. good. It'll make it easier to get on. He was saying the night for the draft they have on camera and he was just like, unless someone blows us away with a tradeoff or we're taking Keon and Coleman, all those things could be true. Like, it could have decided to go with the coaches and everything. But whether Brandon Bean is a schemer or actually just a guy doing his best, it made him look way worse to have, it seem like

the owner has a completely different version of reality. And I, I, the most generous charitable interpretation of this is that the owner is very out of touch because the other part of the press conference was him saying, I didn't like the vibe in the locker room, so I decided to fire Sean McDermott. And they tried cleaning it up later and saying like, well, it was a bunch of other things, too, it was the whole season. But it really seemed like he said, I decided to fire Sean McDermott basically because of the Broncos game and the aftermath. And so the reporters were like, so if Brandon Cook's catch goes the other way, you keep McDermott. And he's like, I'm not getting into that. But that's what happened. That's always the case.

So many of these firings come down to such arbitrary things. Like, again, Lamar Jackson doesn't get hurt. Harba is probably still in Baltimore. You know what I mean? If Josh Allen doesn't fumble at the end of the second quarter, McDermen might still be the head coach of the bills. Why are we talking about Keon Coleman so much? Like, why was that a subject?

I think it was because there was a lot of consternation among the fan base that he wasn't doing enough to put weapons around Josh Allen. And he got really, Brandon Bean got really mad in the media multiple times, basically saying shut the fuck up we had been the highest scoring offense two years in a row or whatever I forgot to a radio show and spiked the football last season because they had 30

and he was like we've had 30 points eight games in rows and NFL record why you're talking about fucking wide receivers yeah and it was one of those like he was right but maybe just don't say that radio show and scream at people but the other reason we're talking about it is because they took Keon Coleman

33 sorry the first pick of the second round and the next pick was Ladd McConkey for the And you could argue that the bill, the church, the bills might have like Super Bowl appearances this year and last year. If they had just taken a lot of a conkey instead of Kear Coleman. But it's become just a, I think he's just a flash point for the Josh Allen angst that they haven't made a super bowl with Josh Allen. And then it's the larger Bill's angst that they, you know, made four Super Bowls in a row, didn't win any. Then they went 17 years of that making the playoffs and now they have this error again. And there is this existential angst underneath the surface that they're wasting another prime era.

for the bills. And I think Kinga Coleman just become a flashpoint because no one is ready to explain why Josh Allen can't make a Super Bowl. And so, but even Terry Pagula was like, I don't know why. They just made everything so much worse than this presser. It's hilarious. Big time strides in effect. Shout out to Krisby Brown who posted that that page from Bill Walsh's book about owners and GMs and coaches. And he's like, coaches are in the film room at midnight. And like the Bill Walsh is like coaches are in the room at midnight trying to like figure out what's wrong with the team. but like the owners at dinner with the GM and the assistant person and the personnel guy drinking martini's talking about what they think might be wrong with the team and they're like I bet it's the fucking coach me well the coach is not at dinner drinking martini's actually trying to figure it out and just it's just fucking nailed it nothing's changed this is why it's such a thing I stress during this time of year always is the relationship between the coach the GM and the owner and this is just something that goes back year like you know through the generations it's like the best and most The longest lasting, I think, dynasties or just like successful eras is when there's harmony

between coach, GM, and owner. And then obviously, quarterback helps a lot too. Those are kind of like the four pillars. But when you have like a little finger situation going on where he's just, you know, chaos is a ladder, that's not good. That's not going to be good long term for the team. And that's exactly what Bill Walsh was saying. So it's so like present too, prescient.

Prussian. I don't know which, how do you say that? word um i say freshen but i'm not the pronouncing freshant it was i feel like he probably wrote that in like the 80s or the 90s um but it's just so true that there's the relationships between gm owner and and coach can be pretty fucked up on that note the dolphins hired the combo of the defensive corner jeffley from the packers as their head coach and then the gm john eric solvin uh if the miami was the assistant g or the assistant gm and g or sorry the vice president of player personnel. And DK, you texted us this morning that, uh, you guys, you think these two men look

identical. And I, I was like, what are you talking about? I looked. I'm like, you know what? They are kind of like indistinguishable chads. They both have the same haircut at the very at the very least. They just, they do look very similar. Yeah. I will say, a little bit of lincoln boss energy. John Eric Sullivan, the GM, there's a, the picture that I sent you guys, he's doing an interview with Cameron Wolf. He's got the widest sitting stance I've ever seen in my life. He's a wide stance guy. This is the widest stance. Power. He's straight up spread eagled on this chair. It's actually insane how wide his legs are in this photograph.

It's a power move. I respect it. Yeah. Honestly, Cameron Wolf trying to kind of match him though. He's doing it. He's doing it. He's doing it well. It's like a power stance off between the two of them. It's like how truck shakes hands. Yeah. In the macron. It's like tugging on your arm. Yeah. Oh my God. Who can man spread the most? That's what the Democrats are got to do. They got to go to the

They're focused on the handshakes. They've got to just go spread. Yeah. Spread sit. Yeah. Other news, we were going to talk about Mike McDaniel going to the chargers, but then it's like he's not actually going to the charges. And I think everyone saw the John Harbaugh thing where the media will run with it before he signs the contract.

And so Mike McDaniel was like reported as going to the charges, except it's not done at all. Leverage, potentially. Well, I think he's still interviewing Fred coaching jobs, which is why I was confused about it. They're like, expected to hire Mike McDaniel, which is not the same as hiring. him and if he gets a coaching job, I feel like he would take that. So, right. I was excited to talk about the combination of having Jim Harbaugh and Mike McDaniel, just as people who say words to reporters on the same team, like between Mike McDaniels saying,

you know, it's a great day to even though every day we're closer to death. And then everything Jim Harbaugh says, like, I would love the electricity of that. And also just the khakis with Harbaugh and the Capris. Philosophy Tuesdays. They just like talk, they just wax poetic about. Harbaugh. Yeah. Do you have some, Daniel, some chickens, you know?

Exactly. I would believe anything, though. Imagine those two guys just talking. Walking on the beach together and Marina Del Rey. Sounds great. It's like, yeah, unlikely animal friendship. Only other thing, we don't, I don't know if we want to talk about. There's going to be a lot of substation talk between San Francisco as to Super Bowl.

John Lynch. John Lynch acknowledging that the substation, they're like, we're looking into it. Like, fucking Aaron Rogers. Like, he's like, they're just doing it to get people off their back. They're like, yeah, yeah, all right. We'll look into it. We're looking into it. They're hiring Ace Ventura

Electricity Detective to check it out. That would actually, oh God, that actually would be funny. There should be an S&L bit between now and the Super Bowls, like the guys at the substation. Because can you imagine John Lynch said, nope, we're not going to look into it. Well, I don't know if you guys saw, but a couple of 49ers, McCaffrey and was it a use check,

we're at the Warriors game where Jimmy Butler tore his ACL. You would think they're contagious. I don't know. Maybe just them. There's something quantum happening here. The quantum leap. It's a quantum field. At some point, we'll have to, I do have to mention the guy who started all this other than the players, but the guy who was like made the thread that went viral thought that it was related to Levi Stadium Upping in 2014.

And then they informed him that the practice facility has been near the substation since 1988. He was like, oh, huh. Never mind. What? And, you know, he's starting a company that will help you with EMF. But, yeah, it's a good bit, though. So they need to just build a bigger wall at the practice stadium. So you can't see the sub-

You want to build a wall. That's the only well. Should we put that as the kairon below? Craig. Craig wants to build a wall. Wall needs to be bigger. And you know what funny, Craig, kind of like, there actually already is a wall. Right, there is a wall.

Just make it bigger. If you can't see the substation, the narrative disappears. Just make it bigger. It is. Did I tell you guys this? Like there was a, a tweet I saw where someone was like, yes,

Fred Warner, he's back at practice, he's running around. He's going to be so close. And then someone just quote tweeted it and said, you can literally see the factory behind him in this picture. It's just looming in the background, like menacingly. Usually the Super Bowl team would practice one of them at the nine years facility, right? The field, there's no fucking way either teams doing that. Not even because the MF thing's real,

but because the players believe it, which I do think that's why this theory and thing is like alive. I don't think any of the CMF shit is real. I think the reason this has had staying power is that, well, you think there's like a subconscious element where these players think that they're going to get injured because they're near the substation, so they do? No, I think the players believe it, and that's a problem.

Like, I think the players actually believe. But if they believe it, then what? The Niners. Oh, no, no, I'm saying the Niners. You ever heard of the placebo effect? That's what I just said. Yeah. I'm saying the Super Bowl teams, you can't have during Super Bowl week where your whole thing is eliminating distractions to the point where the only part of Belichick's book I was fascinated by was that the first 24 hours after they make the Super Bowl, he's like, I am just doing hotel rooms for everybody.

I am personally handling everyone's hotel and ticket requests. Tickets and hotels goes through Bill Belichick because he's like, I can't have players dealing with that after Tuesday. He's like, all that has to be buttoned up. He's like, I want them thinking about their jobs. You can't have players, uncles, texting them about the fucking substation and then they're like Googling and you're going to have like the starting linebacker on your team and the Super Bowl Googling like fucking chat GPT, like what happens with EMF? Like you need to fucking focus.

It's not worth going there. Every press profits are like, we're not answering any questions about the substation, all right? Yeah, exactly. But that's the problem is like, even. though they're doing live readings of the fucking electromagnetic fields at all times. But this is the modern media problem too. It's like media day. It's all they're going to fucking hear about.

If one team's at this facility, they're going to get asked about EMF all day, which is like you can't go there. By the way, Craig, sorry I was distracted and that's why I didn't hear your placebo talk, but the Ravens are planning to hire Jesse Mentor as being reported now. So the Ravens are hiring Jesse Mentor as their new head coach. For realsies? That's what Ian Rappaport, Adam Schifter, Pelliserro, there are all all saying, yeah.

I think, I mean, that makes sense. He's part of the Harbaugh. It was an easy connection. Yeah. He was at the, he was at the Ravens for like three years.

He was on their defensive thing. He was also, he's like, I think the pitch is very simple. He's the other Mike McDonald's. Like that is what the pitch is because he was also on the Ravens staff. He was, I believe he was also in Michigan for a time under Jim.

He's coached under both the Harbaugh's. Yeah, he won the title with Michigan. I think. Yeah. So he was like with Jim Harbaugh there. Obviously he's with the Harbaugh's now and the Chargers. and they worked for John Harbaugh as well

and so it's an easy pitch where it's the same basically all the like these offensive like Sean McVeigh and Kyle Shanahan weaved in these like new weave the old and the new of like play action wide zone offenses with modern passing and then just like completely changed the league and then Mike McDonald the Seahawks

is just like the counter revolution of like here's how to stop that which is how you have like Kyle Shannon has three games as a coach with three points and two of them in the last two games like this month versus Mike McDonald. And so the pitches, they're like,

we need a Jesse Minter as the other Mike McDonald. Like he's part of the new wave of defense of Shannon McVeerner, the new wave of offense. And then the Steelers get Mike McCarthy because there's no good reason. Is he from Pittsburgh? They love guys from Pittsburgh.

They love guys from Pittsburgh. Kenny Pickett's from Pittsburgh. Yeah. Bring him back. Yeah. The only candidates are going to be like, you know, Kurt Signetti and Mike McCarthy, just Pittsburgh guys. If you, you're not, if you hired Mike McCarthy for the Steelers, what would you actually

did? I agree for the Chargers. Wait him out. He's out. I'm out. I would wait them out. I'm not doing that. I'm sorry.

Two weeks later, Craig is all. I will say, someone posted the HR meme of, uh, you know, like the guy comes by and he hits on the woman and it's like, you can't do that because he's ugly. And then someone comes by and does it. You're sweet. And it was like McCarthy's record and like John Harbaugh are like shockingly similar. Yeah. Wins, losses, playoff record, Super Bowl, like the amount of like this incredibly similar.

Nick Seriani's is probably better than both of theirs. Wouldn't want him either. It is. Fair enough. Yeah. Okay. All right. One email we get out of here.

I wanted to, this is an email from Alex. Alex. Alex's breakfast was a mocha pot. So Alex's breakfast was a mocha pot of coffee leftover scrambled eggs my toddler did not eat A moca pot of coffee? I don't know what that means I was hoping you guys would Moka pot of coffee

M-O-K-A I don't know I'm not the biggest coffee guy I wouldn't know Right yeah I think mocha is a brand of coffee Oh okay So he said a he said a pot of coffee he drank a pot of coffee He said a mocha pot of coffee Okay well he's got the toddler not eating I understand why you need the coffee

Yeah yeah a mocha pot is a stovetop electric coffee maker oh huh so maybe i was wrong oh there also is a mocha coffee i've seen these it's a kind of yeah i've seen one of these i have one of these so he had coffee oh yeah these little guys he had caught i don't know i don't know how to use that it's actually in my kitchen this thing is a french press you don't use or not a french press uh yeah yeah we have like a i have like a random a miscellaneous drawer that comes in handy way more than you think Yeah, I love the miscellaneous drawer. This guy right here, the percolator.

It percolates. I've actually used one of these before on a like a barbecue. So Alex writes in about Craig saying that the boomers have this weird thing about like swallowing pills without water and their ability to just dry swallow a pill. I got to text about this too for my buddy. I got to tell you, Alex hit the nail in the head of here. Okay. He said that the boomers dry swallowing pills is part of a larger thing. Boomers don't drink water.

That's true. And Alex writes, my boomer dad goes through six coaks a day, two frappuccinos in the glass bottles, and he has a big glass of milk with dinner. His blood's just sludge. Sludge. My friend, our friend's boomer dad moved into her new, moved her, like the dad moved the daughter into a new apartment on the fifth floor, no elevator, was visibly gassed.

She offers some water. He turns it down, asks for a Coca-Cola. She doesn't have it, so he settled on a shot of tequila. Whoa. And then he says, all moms in the South need to have sweet tea

when we go out for dinner. The water on the table is purely decorative. Yeah, yeah. And he says, drinking water with a pill is off-putting because they'd rather raw dog the pill than drink water. I think this is dead on.

My father does not drink water. Jackie's mom, we just got her to start drinking water recently. She's a little water bottle now. My father, he's like, you gotta drink more water, dad. He acts like it's fucking torture. What is going on? The boomers refuse to drink water. Well, I mean, if you go back in time,

almost everything these people did was not healthy, and yet they're like living to 80 years old. But Chris Ryan and Andy Greenwald were talking about this on the watch. They were like, there has been a newfound discovery of hydration and how important it is for kind of people in the millennial range and down. He was like, they were like, we were just drinking soda and juice until we were like 40 until somebody was like, hey, you should have like a lot of water every day. And they just had no idea. They were drinking fucking tang when they were 15 every day.

Oh, I remember tang. Yeah. Tang was a bad. Poodie tang? No. Tang is just a drink. It's like it's like a powder you put in the water. A powder. T and G.

Powder. That's wild. Yeah. It's like orange flavored or or colored. I've never had tang. Yeah. I have one healthy habit and one. One of them is I love water.

And it's been fun to watch the world come to me. It's my only healthy habit. But like I, it's water is like the only known source of all life. Yeah, man. Back in the day. It's pretty important. Cigarette in a steak for dinner, martini for lunch, diet Coke the rest of the day. There is water and all that stuff, I feel like.

So that's why there's still a lot. I mean, hey, like a beer is like 95% water. That's true. So what's really. Yeah. Fight that science, yeah. I feel like, I mean, even like playing sports, they'd have just, I mean, once Gatorade became a thing, then you just drink Gatorade on the side. Yeah, this is great.

Water was 10 times better. It's sick. You, growing up, we had Capri Sons at half time of soccer games. Yeah. No one's giving us water. I had Capri Sons growing up. It's funny, too, because I'm like, I'm watching Mad Men with Jack. And I've never seen Mad Men.

It's just a pleasure to watch it for the first time. Yeah. And it's so funny. Are you doing it out of order like Sopranos or in a way? Yeah, yeah, no, I am. No, I just watching. End of episodes. You saw that hidden.

Yeah, yeah. I just YouTubeed all the cool scenes. Then I'm starting for the beginning. I'll skip some. It looks for it. It must be tricky because in some episodes, Peggy's alive and then in an upper other episode, she's not. Yeah, it's crazy. No, it's weird.

Yeah. I mean, yeah, no, it's really odd. Wait, so what is your revelation watching Maddenham? I think the, I just, it's their fault. It's their fault. That's what I was going to drink water. People were like, you should drink Kool-Aid instead. And they're like, hi-fish.

I was literally going to say this before you brought a. of. I was thinking about it's madmen's fault. It's the fucking Madison Avenue advertisers who are like you know, smoke cigarettes because they taste good. It's like, you know, all that bullshit you get fed your whole life. It's like Coca-Cola.

So refreshing. Oh my God. I know. It's hard for who to blame. Is it the advertisers or is it the cigarette brands? I don't know. Or is it human nature. That's true. Anyway, sorry. This episode is brought to by Lucky Strike. Yeah. They're toasted. Less tar.

Tar than the other guy. Little less cancer. They still have tar. Yeah. We just want to be clear, there is tar, but less. Yeah, anyway. Yeah, you know us if you have funny stories of your parents not drinking water. Or just any thoughts on boomers in their habit.

Also, the other revelation, boomers don't eat vegetables. Boomers. Oh, yeah, that's true. The other Mad Men thing, like watching Mad Men and you're like, okay, they didn't know how to like cook vegetables other than like boiling. them. So then our parents' generation just doesn't eat vegetables and like no salt. It was all like wartime canned vegetables. Yeah. It's like two steps above MREs and they're just out here and we're like you know if you add Brussels

press, a little balsamic on that bitch and my parents are like you guys are like Michelin star chefs. It's unbelievable. The bar is so low to give the vegetables to boomers. Yeah, that's funny. I love a roasted vegetable. Vegetables can be so tasty. Dude, do you remember somebody emailed this in with the Mr. Greenman? the vegetable mascot. Oh, yeah. And was like, they used to give you like a little green doll, the big green man or whatever.

Yeah. And they used to give you a doll if you bought 10 cans and someone went into their father's attic and they found 200 little dolls, which meant that her grandmother had fed her father like 2,000 cans of the Mr. Green Man broccoli or whatever. And they're like, oh, I see why my dad doesn't eat vegetables. Yeah, man.

We were eating like green bean casserole for Thanksgiving and canned peas. That shit lasts forever. This was, you're coming up in the age of the Cold War. That's right. When you can get nuked at any time, you need to like be able to survive on your canned food for the next two years during the nuclear winter. The old cans look cooler though.

I got to tell you the bud lights and the cores that like everything looked cooler back then. Yeah. Those cans, they got to bring those cans back. High Fitz, you know what? You know what the thing that stood out to me? Because I watched Mad Men late, obviously, not, is not as late as you, but the... Why obviously.

Because I watch everything late. Oh, I'm always like two years behind on. You texted us that Barbie was good. Barbie was awesome. There was one scene where they were, Draper and his family do like a little picnic on the side of the road. And then when they get up,

they just shake their blanket. All the garbage just goes everywhere. They just leave it. They just leave it behind. That was like, disgusted. just leave all the garbage It's just shaking the garbage in this field Didn't even look behind them

Jesus Christ But I'm like that's kind of how it was back then You know Who cares? You could die at any moment I know there literally is no tomorrow Start a new life Yeah okay Thank you DK thank you Craig

Thank you Don Draper Matt Actually no sorry screw you Don Draper This is your fault that my father doesn't drink water Email Email so we're in Fantasy Football at gmail.com for more funny names and baseball, old-timey baseball players

and also just other things boomers don't do or drinking water, all that stuff. Yeah, thank you, Lord. Lord. Thank you, R.J.D.2. I also thank you to Cam and Carlos and Kai. And everyone, sorry, D.K. I forgot.

Oh, that's all good. Yeah, thank you to them. This is the, the artist that does the Mad Men theme song. Oh, great theme song. R.D. Who? It's RJD2, aka Rumble John Crone. It is a good theme song. It's like such an iconic intro.

Yeah. Him falling. Fantastic. They don't make theme songs like they used to. Most recent banger is Succession. That's a great one. Successions is amazing. Yes.

Dude, Nicholas Brutel, man. You know what was ahead of their time? Scrubs, the 15 second intro. It's like a really short intro. Breaking Bad had a really short one. Oh, yeah. breaking bat.

Yeah. But they like alternate it. Sometimes they have like a long one. Sometimes they have a short one. Well, they have the little like little chemical elements in people's names, which I fucking loved. Yeah. Supranos.

I was thinking about this one the other day. Remember the intro to weeds? Little boxes. Never watched weeds. Oh, really? No. Season one and especially season two of White Lotus, ripped.

Oh my God. Well, the season three was a catastrophe because that guy left. The composer and my, Mike White apparently didn't get along. It was the whole thing, but. Well, they should have broke up. Mike White wanted to change it. I'm like, dude, season two of White Lotus,

that intro song was, was, oh. Because they basically took the season one one and added a beat to it. And they were playing that like in bars for a full year. Dude. Just like that. Yeah.

I feel like I'm there. Pretty good. Yeah. You do the John. I'm in Sicily now. Yeah. You're like, Goodbye, everyone.

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