The Ringer NFL Show - RB Arguments, Christian McCALFrey, Saquon Madden Curse, Rookie Temp Check, and Meatcake

Episode Date: June 16, 2025

The guys fight over the most interesting fantasy running backs heading into next season and place them into categories, including the hardest to rank, the hipster pick, sleepers, and much more! Plus, emails! (00:00) Intro (3:33) Hardest to rank (12:16) BONK! (18:32) The hipsters (32:28) Post-hype sleepers (52:39) The Ricky Bobby guys (01:00:09) Teammates we aren’t sure how to rank (01:04:30) Flaccid picks (01:09:26) Emails! Check out our 2025 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Kai Grady and Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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My name is Danny Hyfitton. I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Krollback. And today we are going over running backs for the 2025 NFL season, fantasy season. We're going over just a bunch of categories. But first, Craig just let us know right before we started recording that he thinks we should actually start the show again with Aaron Rogers because you actually subjected yourself. Taryn Rogers is opening press conference with the Steelers. Yeah, I enjoyed it. I subjected myself.

It was like 12 minutes. You're a sick, sick man. Compared to the three-hour Joe Rogan interview, this was a walk in the park. This was a pleasure. I thought it went well. I thought he handled himself well. He seemed to be in good spirits. He's married?

He's married. Yes, confirmed. So he literally was asked, are you have a ring on your finger? Yeah. And he said, is that an aura ring, which honestly, like, I feel like the odds were like minus 800 that it wasn't or a ring. Right. And it wasn't.

He's married. It was really, I think it was Brooke Priorityist Ben who asked him like, so are you married? And he was like, yes. And she was like, congratulations. And he's like, thank you. Thank you. I don't know. That's like talking to John Wick.

Who's the lucky lady? Her name's Brittany. That's all I know. Although I believe Sports Illustrated just put up a piece saying like who is Aaron Rogers's wife, which I haven't read yet. But they've been married for. a couple months. Good for him. I hope he found happiness. No, I mean, yeah, that's fine.

He also said that the thing he loves about D.K. McCaff the most is not his skill. It's his personality and his character. I thought was awesome for a guy who just fights people in the field. I love that. Should we start a conspiracy theory that Rogers is not married? You think it's a fake ring? I don't know. I'm just saying. You know, so many people are saying. maybe it is an aura ring and he's married to his aura yeah married to the game okay is there anything else any other takeover since the best conference

no but I don't like people clowning him for getting married has anyone seen this woman who's clowned him for getting married DK DK's clowning him I'm not I was laughing because you were just like I wish nothing about a happiness that's the only normal thing he's done in years it just was funny to me for some reason I mean heck maybe this is uh maybe this is what propels him to his next MVP award.

I thought he looked good at the grounding force that he needs. Doing drills. He's sitting next to Will Howard in meetings. I like that. We love Will Howard here on the fantasy show. We do. How long until Will Howard starts believing in like, you know, aliens built the pyramids and, you know, Rogers telling him to look into stuff?

Well, it got Rogers a Super Bowl. So, you know, hopefully Will Howard sits down into the school of Aaron Rogers. I'm into it. Okay. Let's get into the running back. we're just going to go through a bunch of categories, starting with just the hardest player to rank. And I actually think we need to elevate this.

This is not just the hardest player to rank at running back. I think this is the hardest player to rank in fantasy the season. Ever? Christian McCaffrey. I don't know about ever, but it's up. I still feel like H.N. last year was so hard. But McCaffrey. This is hard.

I mean, I'm not why I looked at this. We ranked McCaffrey 22nd on our first pass, like a month ago on our rankings. I thought that was pretty cowardly from us. DK, when you look, it's 22, right? Where are we? I can't, well, that thing, it's like, how do you rank a guy that fundamentally, on a play per play basis, Christian McCaffrey's the best player in fantasy football?

And he has Achilles 10 to 90s in both Achilles. But where are people supposed to take this guy? I mean, I don't know. I think that's why it's hard. Isn't that why it's hard? Isn't that why he's in this category? Am I supposed to have a good answer? I feel like this ranking, like it almost doesn't matter now.

If you're drafting now, I don't know. you're screwed, but this will just completely depend on what happens in training camp. I think if he is, if all the reports are glowing and he seems to be healthy at 100% and just fully participating throughout training camp, I honestly think we should rank him at like six, right? Yeah, if you said every, I told you all the players in the top 50, we're going to play 17 games. Yeah. Where would we put McCaffrey? Because I feel like we'd put him third behind Jamar Chase and Seekwon.

Yeah, I mean, yeah. Maybe higher? He's in the Bijon, Jamir Gibbs. and then I think it's in McAfri. I think it's outside of Sequin, I think he's in the next tier with Bejohn and Jemir Gibbs, I would say. I think it's funny because you can't,

if someone wants to take Christian McCaffrey seventh, like if it's like Jamar Chase and Seekwan, Bejohn, Jamar, Jimir Gibbs, Jefferson and Cidie Lam are all gone. Someone's like, I want to take McAfry seventh. You're not going to make fun of them. Well, you will make fun of them

because it's the Fantasy Football League. But you're not actually going to think that's dumb. Do you think it's more likely that he goes for way cheaper than he should in drafts because of how disastrous last year was, or he actually gets bid up because of the name brand value? I think the latter.

I think the latter. I was going back and looking at 2023, Craig. I've forgotten this. He scored over a hundred more fantasy points than the second place guy. Yeah. He muster. I mean, he was actually like a cheat go, almost 25 points per game. But it's funny for how amazing that season was,

last season was equally as disastrous. Right. Well, this has happened before because in 2019, he was the best player in fantasy football. And he had, I mean, he was an all-time league winning player. Like, if he drafted McCaffrey in 2019, that was the single biggest thing you could have done to win your league that year.

And then the next year, he played three games. I mean, in 2020, the year after, McCaffrey got 400 touches. And the next season, McCaffrey had, I think, high ankle sprain, quad injury, shoulder injury, just got beat up. And he only played 10 games the next two seasons combined. And then came back in 2022 and it was amazing.

And then last year was just like, and that's a wear and tear injury. Achilles tendonitis. But he's all rested now. It sounds like a bit, but it's kind of true. So just to remind people what actually happened, because I think that maybe just to remind people what actually happened. So he had Achilles tendonitis bilateral Achilles tendonitis.

And shout out Stefani Bell is a good article in ESPN about this. But basically, there's a lot going on there. But the Niners were conservative coming into the season with him because, you know, who else said the Achilles tendonitis was Dre Greenlaw, the linebacker on that 90s team. He's the one who ruptured his Achilles going on the field. So it wasn't out of nowhere that that happened to Drake Greenlaw. He had the Eccles tendonitis, and they were like, well, it's a Super Bowl run.

He plays, and he snaps it during the game. So when McAfrey had him out of August and they didn't have him in a week one. And so McCaffrey missed like three months with this rehabbing it, came back and heard his PCL in his knee. Or actually, I guess I don't technically know if the PCL necessarily had to be in the knee. But he heard it. And I think it was the snow game, the one where Josh Allen threw a touchdown pass to him, like the Amari Cooper touchdown pass in the snow. In that game, McCaffrey hurt his PCL.

So then he was out and didn't come back in the season. So in a weird way, you could argue that, I don't know, I guess fundamentally, maybe everyone's so afraid of this. And I'm like, just be bold. Just fucking take them. Because if you get Christian McCaffrey in the second round, like, that could just decide your league. So I'm kind of leaning that.

I'm going to move him out. I think 22 was just me being cowardly. And I'm going to move them up like 10 spots. Well, also we made this ranking like a couple of weeks ago, two weeks ago maybe. And I would probably change it now because we're not. six weeks ago. Oh, okay. Well, yeah, even more then.

He's, like, been pretty much healthy in training camp or in OTAs, I mean. Yeah. Calhianan said he's a psycho in a good way in terms of, like, what he's done this offseason to get ready. I don't know. I just, like, feel like he's worth betting on this year, and I'm definitely going to move him up. Yeah. Do you think it's interesting that they traded away Jordan Basin? Yeah, because I don't think it's like it's indicative of all that much.

They just got value for a guy that wasn't going to be part of their long-term plans. They have Isaac Arendo behind him. You know, I don't know. And they drafted a dude this year, Jordan James. Yeah. So I don't think that's something that really matters all that much. I think it's more just like getting value for a guy that wasn't going to be. It's just, it's going to be interesting.

If there's obviously, if he's just fully participating and looks great through the entire off season, yeah, he's like a first rounder. He's probably in the top five or six picks. However, if it's like August 10th and it's like McCaffrey on a. pitch count. McAfrey wants to stay fresh. He's like, you know, protecting his calves. Tendinitis doesn't get better. You have to just maintain it. If there's like those reports coming out and it's like he should be ready for week one, but he wants to stay fresh and he's going to limit his reps in practice. Then things get terrifying. Well, let's say we have to do this right now, though. You're not going to take me, you're going to, people are going to take over McCaffrey,

Jamar Chey, Seekwon, Bijon Robinson, Jemir Gibbs, Justin Jefferson, Citi Lamb. Amon Ross. We have seventh. Derek Henry of Vath. Right there. We've asked in Gentie 9. I think I'm going to put McCaffrey over Gentie. Maybe I'll move Gentie down. But I mean, Brian Thomas, Malik neighbors, Nico Collins, that's the range to me. I'm going to put Nico over those guys.

But I think if Nico, we put Nico's a top 10 guy. I think McCaffrey is somewhere in that 10 to 12 range for me. And then I'm open to putting him even higher than that. I agree. I think, again, if the reports are glowing, I'd put him higher. But if not, you're right, Haif. It's as long as he's like playing, I think he's end of first round is probably the right move. Can you guys remember off the top of your head?

what the I guess narrative or news reports were indicating last year prior to week one because remember he this was a Monday night game and like a half an hour before the game he was declared inactive no one had He was expected to play

right no one had seen this coming so like Craig even if the reports are glowing I'm still going to have sort of like something in the back of my mind that's no that is part of it DK because Jordan Mason remember Jordan Mason after the game Jordan Mason had the most care he said out of in college since high school

And they're like, yeah, he's like, I found out on Friday. And so then the 90s got, and so George Mason, which was post-game. That was on NBC or ESPN, I guess. And then he goes to his press conference and he had clearly been screamed at because he was like almost crying. And he was like, I'm so sorry. He's like, this is supposed to be the best day of my life. Yeah.

Cal Shannon clearly screamed at him and was like. Yeah. So he injured his calf on August 11th last year. He strained it. So he would be out for the remainder of preseason, but should be ready to go week one. He said, I feel great. Very cautionary stuff. If we had a game I would play.

Very cautionary step. But you're starting to be smart right now. Still training, still getting a bunch of work in. So come week one, I'll be ready to roll. That was August 11th. It's like you can't believe anything this team says anymore. It's a siren song. That's the thing is we're not going to, you have to see it.

Like you have to see him running full speed. Him saying if we had a game today, I would play. Then not playing in the game. It's so funny to juxtapose that with Dan Campbell, who for the Lions, who's like the only coach that just says at April. He's like, yeah, no, that guy won't be ready for week one. Yeah. You know, it's just, oh my God.

So I think we moved McCaffrey up. But overall, I think McAfrey's the kind of guy where I don't know if I want to take him in the first round. But if he falls to me in the second round, that's like the dream. I don't think he's gonna. His name is just too sexy. Yeah, but I don't know, man.

It's all sometimes, that's all people know is that he missed. I mean, he has a kill. He's 10 and 90s and both Achilles. Like it's also if he has a little plus red icon to him, that's going to move him down five spots. Yeah. It's just a little health logo. For people who play fantasy,

I don't know if he's more well known now for how great 2023 was or how terrible 2024 was. Like I really think they both carry a lot of weight. 2024 was a mess. Like he ruined everybody who drafted him his entire season. Yeah. Well,

we're going to be talking about McCaffrey a lot. McCaffrey's going to be one of the defining players of the season, I think, again. So next category we have the sixth to bin died, debunk. D.K., who is a player you're too horny for this season? I think it's going to be Jemir Gibbs. I mean, he is just pure sex at the running back position, explosive as fuck.

Really exciting player, big plays. And then he's also playing in one of the best offenses in football. He's basically kind of like the fantasy version for me of like the new Alvin Camara. It's just like you feel, you know, like he he's like just so elusive, so explosive, good in the passing game. Like everything you want in fantasy. Last year, he led all running backs in yards per touch. He was number one and half p.pr.R points per touch. So he's like super efficient.

Like he's, that's why he's the Alvin car is like the efficiency king. But the reason I'm. I'm putting him here, and the reason I'm trying to, like, temper my expectations a little bit is there's a lot of questions around the lion's offense. There's a new offensive coordinator, John Morton, who we don't know a ton about. Ragdown retired, the offensive line for the lion's interior offensive line is kind of in flux. Ben Johnson, gone. Jared Goff with a new offensive coordinator is a pretty big question mark, I feel like. So there's just a lot of questions going into the season with Gibbs, even though, you know, like on paper or just based on our memories, he's one of the most exciting.

electric players in football. Hyvitz, is he your balk guy too? Yeah, honestly, Jimere Gibbs is. I totally agree. I think Gibbs is, when you're just watching, Gibbs is with the ball in his hands is on the shortest of shortlist in the NFL. Yeah.

He's so much fun. And I don't even know if I really want running backs in the first round this year, but Gibbs is the exception to me. Oh, that's interesting. I kind of, there are only a few guys in the middle rounds that I really like. I actually think that I want to go RB early here

because I do feel like it's kind of top-heavy. To me, there's like 40 wide receivers I like, and there's maybe like six running backs. Gibbs is just awesome. The lines are awesome. Last year, I had Jared Gough as my quarterback in fantasy, and I swear to God, every time they were in the run zone. It was run, run, run.

Yeah. And how many touchdown did Gibbs have last year? He had almost 20. He had 20 total touchdowns. 20 total touchdowns. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's almost like the Monra where it's just like,

you can just pencil in. Like, if he's healthy and on the field, Like, there's no way he's not going to be great. Right. My bonk, I'm kind of changing gears a little bit. I feel like typically the bonk is like the guy in the first round that you want to leave your draft with. I'm going to go a little bit later down.

I'm going to move down the draft board here. And I'm going to talk about somebody who I feel like a lot of the quote-unquote like fantasy community, the nerds out there, are into. RJ Harvey, Harvey, the rookie running back on the Broncos. Yeah. Among, again, the people who are very dialed in and tapped in in May and June, They all love RJ Harvey. I don't know if normal people drafting care about RJ Harvey,

but I'm buying the hype. I'm in with the nerds. The Sean Payton running backs, I can already feel DK ready to rebut this. No. Well, I was going to say it's interesting timing that you put Harvey here considering they signed JK Dobbins like a couple days ago. Yeah, that doesn't scare you off.

No, it doesn't scare me off at all. It actually, if it makes him cheaper, that's great. If I can get him outside the top 20 disposition, that's great. basically Sean Payton really cultivates a very favorable environment for running backs. And they have Audrick Estime, they have J.K. Dobbins, they have J.K. Dobbins. They have J.K. Harvlin. And now they have R.J. Harvey. Basically, ever since Sean Payton has been a head coach and a play caller, their running backs catch passes. In the 13 seasons, Sean Payton has been calling plays in the head coach of a team.

They have never ranked lower than sixth in running back target share, his offenses. And Bo Nix checked down more than any other quarterback in the league last year. I just think it's a perfect environment. Javante Williams had 70 targets last year. 70 for the Broncos. That is like one of those stats where you could tell me that. I'm like, there's no way that's true. That's correct.

Don't remember any of them. And J.K. Dobbins has a career high of 150 receiving yards in the entire season. Adrick Estimate had five targets last year. I don't care about Jaliel McLaugh. I just think RJ Harvey's great. And I think there's a chance that he is the steel of the middle rounds. And I really want him. Can you remind us the scouting report on R.J. Harvey coming out of college, DK.

He is a little bit older because he transitioned from quarterback to running back coming into college. But extremely elusive, extremely explosive in terms of big plays. I think he was second in the country to only Gentie in runs of 15 plus yards. Makes guys miss just in a phone booth, which means to me, like, if he's squared up with a guy, it's one-on-one, a defender in him, he can make that guy miss almost every time. And then he's good in the passing game. And he's a, you know, he's just an explosive, elusive running back, a little bit undersized. But he was a lot of people's, like, favorite sleeper coming into the draft.

I remember, like Field Yates really likes him, a bunch of guys that I really respect like him. And then he went quite a bit higher. So obviously the NFL was kind of into him as well. And so there's people that are certainly making the connection like, this is the next big running back for Sean Payton, which I do believe. I also think the J.K. Dobbins argument is so interesting. me because when he got signed the other day, there was so much discussion and arguments about him on Twitter and Blue Sky. Just what does this mean for RJ Harvey? Harvey, does this totally ruin him? Like, does this ruin Harvey's ceiling or is this like take the legs out from under him?

Or is this ultimately a good thing? Because I think dominance is that he's a contrast or contradiction because he simultaneously had like really good numbers last year and was also like kind of washed. You know what I mean? Like he had a great first month. And then things are really slowed down and he kind of just became an average running back. It's like kind of interesting to me that the Chargers after he did that for the Chargers went and signed Naji and then drafted guy in the first round. Like they're like, we don't want. We're not going to do that again kind of deal. It was like very kind of bizarre.

And then no one else really wanted Dobbins or at least it took him a long time to get signed. So yeah, Dobbins is like the weird contradiction of good numbers. Like if you look at his efficiency numbers, his yards per carry, all this stuff is pretty good. but he's also looked kind of washed. I don't know. It was bizarre. It's funny that you have Harvey as your bunt, Craig, because the next category you have is the hipster,

the player that everyone loves that you don't. And I don't like any of the rookie running backs. There's one rookie running back I like, but I don't think any of the rookie running backs are going to be as exciting as people think this year. And honestly, R.G. Harvey's the top my list. Like, Craig, I feel like people are envisioning RJ Harvey's Alvin Camara, right?

Like, that's basically kind of what you're hoping happens here. Sure. I don't know if they're the same in terms of style, but in terms of, like, output and statistics, yeah. I just think R.J. Harvey is going to be Darren Sproles. And I think that Sean Payton sees R.J. Harvey is, what if Darren Sproles could throw a football? And it's like, instead of Tason Hill throwing a football, it's the running back is going to have an arm, but it's Darren Sproul's. And Darren Sprouls, when he was on those Saints teams, Darren Sproles had like 70 catches and seven receiving touchdowns a year. And he ran for a few hundred two. But Darren Sproles was like 27 when he went. to the Saints and he'd been in the NFL for like six years. I'm like super dubious that R.J. Harvey has like a serious NFL level role as a rookie. I personally don't see there being a ton of value because I think everyone's all excited about RG Harvey. But in reality, I'm like, I don't know.

I just think it's hard to be a rookie running back, man. And spoiling my sleeper here, I think my sleeper roll the second year running backs because I see a big pattern here, which is where defenses are looking at like the, the, I guess in video games, they call the term like the meta. Like, what's the game within the game? And the game within the game in the NFL right now is how do you attack past protection? Because everything is like disguises, motion, moving, everything's, but the part of the NFL that's the most hard to change is past protection. And so that ends up being the piece of the play that defenses are attacking.

And it's honestly kind of like in a nature documentary when all the lions are like trying to separate the wildebeest baby from the herd or whatever or like the bison. Yeah. And it's like, why would you go through the big adult bison? left tackle when you could just have RJ Harvey block you. Like make the rookie running back, know the assignment and execute it at 21 years old. And so I think there's a reason if you look at 24. But yeah. Well, you're right.

Well, you know what he was doing? 21 playing fucking quarterback. Well, maybe he's familiar with protections then. Yeah, maybe. But I guess I'm just saying that there's a reason if you look at Lash's rookie running back class, Blake Corum, Trey Benson, Jalen Wright, like outside of Buck Irving, none of them did anything. And I just think it's harder to be on the field now as a running back. So I think the rookies, frankly, are going to be a little disappointing, especially

RJ Harvey where if he is a weakness, it's blocking. And I just, I think the idea that you're coming in as a rookie and your receiving back is going to be your thing. I'm super dubious, especially when it's big expectations. And I'd rather get all the second year backs from last year for free off waivers. That's fine. I'm not even necessarily sure if RJ Harvey's like going to be the quote unquote receiving back. Like I wouldn't say that was what he was known for in college.

I feel like he'll be more of like an all-purpose running back. And also in terms of past production, the Broncos have one of the best offensive lines in a league. They have all five starters returning. And I honestly, it's like, Sean Payton's kind of a maniac, but I do feel like if Sean Peyton really likes a guy, that means something.

He really liked Bo Nix and it worked. And he took RJ Harvey in the second round. Darren Sprouls is five, six, and was like a fifth rounder. Like, I don't see them as the same thing. RJ Harvey weighs 20 more pounds in Darren Sproul's and it's like three inches taller. So if he's not Alvin Camara,

I also don't think he's Darren Sproles. If he's somewhere in the middle, that's fine. He's not literally Darren Sproul's, but I think that it's very much the role that Sean Payton has in mind for him. Yeah, but to me, if it's peak Darren Sproul's with a little bit more production, a little bit more carries, like, I don't know, that's not that bad to me. That for a rookie running back that you're getting in like the eighth round or something, I don't know.

That sounds okay to me. We'll see. The first pick Sean Payton made as the Broncos coach was he traded up for Marvin Mims, and then Marvin Mims barely played as a rookie. So I just think, I don't know. The idea that just because Sean Payton took him as a rookie to me, it's almost like, I think Sean Payton is like, yeah, I got a. break them in. I don't know. You guys are doing the

you guys are alluding to my Sean Payton rant without me having to do the Sean Payton rant so thank you. Don't assume you know what Sean Payton's going to do with something. Yeah, it's probably smart. Still want to be beholden to the whims of Sean, the whims of Sean. It's part about the Broncos and part also, I'm also

just a little wary of the running backs in this year's class because I think everyone's like, oh my God, the running backs are so good about all the rookies like Ash and Gentie. I love Ash and Gentie as much as everyone. Career wise, sure, but I think the idea that at Genti will take them not. Like again, we're talking about Genti over Christian McCaffey. I'm like maybe we're out over a skis in some of this.

I'm not going to say Gentie. I agree with you on the rest of these guys a lot, actually, in terms of I'm just a little nervous to expect so much. But Gentie, I'm all in on. Gentie, I'm like, yeah, I'm not going to be upset. He's built this. He's special. But all the rookies, like, even Caleb Johnson for the Steelers, Craig.

Like, I think a lot of people are really excited about Caleb Johnson. They're like, he's going to step up and do the Nage Harris job. And I'm like, Aaron Rogers is poison for the running game. You know what I mean? And so I think I, like, I just look at Rogers destroying the running game. Like, do you know, know where the Jets ranked in rushing attempts last year? You know what?

As somebody who bet a lot on Brees Hall, I'm intimately familiar with the Jets running game last year. Where'd they finish? Dead last. Yeah, yeah, okay. Dead last year. So I think I'm just out of, Caleb Johnson for the Steelers, R.J. Hartford and the Broncos,

a little bit gentie. The only rookie running back that I believe it is a Marion Hampton for the Chargers. That's funny. That's one of the guys I'm like, I don't know. Amerian Hampton, he's my hipster pick, because one, I think he's very talented and is like a real, like, I think he's going to move up draft boards.

It seems like the right, the perfect fit. I loved it. Like, I love Omerian Hampton. I think he's awesome. I think career-wise, he's going to be great. However, the Greg Roman offense has always had two running backs. Like him in Baltimore, him with the Chargers,

for the last five seasons that Greg Roman has been calling plays, no running back has had more than 200 carries. It's only happened one time. It was Mark Ingram at 202. Outside of that, no running back has had more than 144 carries in the season. And they signed Najee Harris. Wow.

And everything out of, everything out of camp already. Greg Roman was on a Chargers podcast a few days ago and said he's been blown away by Najee Harris. And Haifitz, I know you're not the biggest Greg Roman fan anyway. And looking what they did with J.K. Dobbins and Gus Edwards, I just think it's very likely. You're talking about what rookies are able to do with regards to past protection. Like, I could see this taking a while, maybe by week eight, Hampton picks up. But like, I think this is going to be, I think Najee Harris is an energy vampire and he's

going to do that to the charges. Yeah, especially that makes me sad. I remember how a Charbole loved, now she too. Again, like, no running back has had more than 144 carries in a great moment offense. It's happened one time. Marion Hampton's probably an example also, someone that if you really do, like, basically the argument to me is that by December or Marion Hampton could have the job and be a league winner for a really run-heavy team.

But I also think I'm Marion Hampton, if you're in a league that trades, it's like, I think his value will be lower on October 1st that it is when you draft in September first and you could probably just try to trade for him. That I agree with. The way through this, Craig, that I see is on most of those offenses with Roman. Wasn't it because it was a super mobile quarterback in part? Yeah, they had Lamar. They had Lamar and then before that it was Kaepernick, right?

Oh, well, I actually think Frank Gore was kind of like the guy way back when. But I'm saying more recently. You're seeing the most recent ones. I mean, I don't know. Even last year, J.K. Dobbins was awesome. And he was still splitting time with Gus Edwards, who was kind of washed. And maybe they were trying to preserve J.K. Dobbins. but still that's my point. Like they bring in Najee Harris,

who is a guy who can handle a giant workload. Yeah. I don't think he's just going to be sitting on the sidelines while this rookie starts week one. Coaches are going to be coaches. You know what I mean? They go with the guys that they trust. You're so cynical about that.

Me? Well, I think. I think Najee, Joe Mixed in. I think Ezekiel Elliott are like there's certain running backs that, I mean, I'm going to go on a limb. And I think of the coaches would look at us. It'd be a little dismissive of the fucking podcasters out of here. because the players have to know the play, know how to block,

know how to set up the hole, because even if something's correctly blocked, if the running back isn't making the steps properly, it becomes improperly blocked. So it's cool to be like, play Trey Benson. But you know what? James Connor knows how to make the,

like if the coach calls a play and the offensive line blocks it correctly, and the running back doesn't even hit the right hole or hit the right hole improperly. Right. They're fucking pissed. You only get like so many of those games. So, yeah, they want to play guys that they think are going to fuck up the plan.

Wait, so you're defending me. You're defending my point. Yeah, but you say a derogatory. Like, none of that the coaches are going to coach. I'm like, that's the matter. I'm saying it derogatory from our point of view because fantasy people get so enamored with this guy or the other guy. We ignore reality. And I fear that with Omerian Hampton where we're like, he's so awesome.

It's the perfect fit. Herbert, Harbaugh, Roman. Wheels up. And Harbaugh's walking around. He's going to be a problem. And Harbos walk around because he just got hip surgery. from like being an NFL quarterback for a decade. And Harbaugh is just thinking,

how do I get Justin Herbert to not get his spleen imploded more? To be clear, I didn't mean it like a pejorative. Like I was making fun of coaches for, you know, playing the players they trust. It's just that is the nature of the beast. And fantasy, it sucks for us because we get all excited about a player who's super electric or explosive or whatever. And then the coaches are going to keep the slow,

you know, like over the hill guy in there because he knows what he's doing. He knows where he's supposed to be. He runs the play like it's designed to play to be played. And like, I don't even know if, like, is Noggi Harris over the hill? I don't know if he's that good, but he's like, he's like 26, 27 years old. And don't agree. Jim Harbaugh just wanted him 10 years ago from Michigan and just has him now.

And they're going to play. And they're already talking about how awesome he's been. Literally, Greg Roman talked about all the running backs on the Chargers. And he said, I'm blown away by what Naji Harris is doing physically mentally out there. He's fantastic. And then he's like, oh, Marion Hampton. Yeah, it's been exciting to have him. And then he just went right back to Naji Harris.

Dead last? Yeah, he had a good. day, though. I think Hampton's, I think we can pencil in O'Marion Hampton for a week five, like, by low trade targets. You just like know Najee Harris is going to get 16 carries week one. You know it. That's actually the move is to draft Najee Harris and then flip Najee for Hampton, like in middle October. If you could do that, yeah. I have something that's kind of similar to this, like along the same lines of like coaching and figuring out the exact splits and trying to figure out what translates from last year. And my guy, the guy, I don't know if he's a hipster pick or not,

but like Chase Brown for the Bengals, I think a lot of people are really excited about what Chase Brown can do based on what he did in the second half of last year. So from week like nine on, he took over the workload. Zach Moss got hurt,

went on IR. And then from there on, it was just Chase Brown in that backfield. He dominated touches. He averaged almost 23 touches a game after Moss went on IR. He was second in rush rate. So he basically just took over that backfield

and had almost the entirety of all the workload. there. But I think a lot of people are kind of just brushing off the fact they signed Zach Moss back this year. You know, and I think that there's certainly a case to be made that that Moss is just like insurance. He's not going to really play that much. That certainly could happen. But just going back to last year before Zach Moss got hurt, he was leading and snapped 62 to 39 percent. He was leading or they were like almost even in Russia's Moss and Brown were almost even. And then Moss was handling almost all the third downwork. of the third downwork. And this goes back to what hyphids was saying before, where your weakest link,

the shortest route to the quarterback is through the running back if he doesn't know where he's going to be. So I think Chase Brown, it just feels a little steep where people are taking him. He's the RB12 on fantasy pros, 28th overall. Like that is basically, I feel like that's almost assuming he's going to get

the exact same workload as he got last year. You're basically saying that Chase Brown's like the Kirkland brand of like what Tony Pollard and Zique was. five or six years ago where everyone on the internet was like, play Tony Pollard, play Free Bird. Like they just put Tommy Pollard in the game, please. And I'm not saying, I mean,

Chase Brown's not as talented as Tommy Pollard was. Like honestly, and Chase Brown, like, I guess his, the people that are pro Chase Brown, which I'm not like anti-Brown. I just kind of like, I think it's a little bit too expensive.

They would say he handled a heavy workout in college, which is true. He's super athletic, which is true, like explosive. But I just think coach, and again, this is going back to like trying to cycle

analyze coaches, but I think coaches just want, unless you're, you know, Sean McVeigh, I think coaches want to keep guys fresh. They want to rotate guys in and they want to have guys play situational roles that they're really good at. And so for context, Chase Brown on Fantasy Pros is ranked 28th. On ESPN, Chase Brown is closer to like 30.

And then we have Chase Brown 42nd. So we're like a pretty decent. We're like a full round. Yeah. So I guess that's, that could be sort of just like splitting hairs. I guess, but I don't know. It just feels to me like he's a little too expensive

and with a little uncertainty over like what the roles are going to break out to be. You're basically saying you're spending a third high round pick on a guy that's in a timeshare, which is kind of like maybe. Zach Moss is always kind of better than you expect. He's like he lingers. Linger. He's like, he's just kind of like always around and teams seem to like him and he plays well.

It feels like week one will be very indicative where you'll kind of know what the situation is by week one. and if it's Chase Brown has 18 touches in week one, you might have a steal on your hands. Right. But if it's Zach Moss, then you might have a bust. Again, he has 23 touches a game in the second half of the season. So looking at like the average rank on like fantasy pros, I think it's a good example of Chase Brown's 28th and Joe Mixon's 42nd.

And that I understand why. Joe Mixon's older. The underlying numbers aren't as good. He's never been efficient per carry. You know, Texans' offenses, you know, issues. The Bengals offense is always in shootouts. I get that. I get all that underlying.

But then when the game start happening, you're probably going to want Joe Mixed under your team more than Chase Brown. And he's like two rounds later. And I think just how it goes sometimes. Post type sleepers, D.K., give me a player that people were really excited about that they're not, that you're still excited about. I mean, I'm still all in on Kenneth Walker for the Seahawks. I think health is a big deal with him, of course. And, you know, I'm not going to like shy away from that.

Like, he has to stay healthy. And that's going to be like a little bit different from what's happened over the last couple years. But I still am of the belief that Walker is one of the most talented runners in the NFL. And he's going to a system, you know, I saw this great article by Ryan Heathover at fantasy points that kind of laid out, like the system changes, the scheme changes that could benefit players. And the Seahawks going to Clint Kubiak, which is, you know, I think we're all kind of expecting it to be wide zone heavy. That's kind of what he's done in the past. And Kenneth Walker over his career has been, you know, according to Heath's numbers, about 13% efficiency boost in wide zone looks. He's really good at that.

and Zach Charbonne, on the other hand, is not very good in wide zone looks. So unless they kind of like change the offense to fit Charbonnet more than Walker, I'm kind of just expecting big things from Walker if he can stay healthy. Kuback already came out and talked about how they're going to ask a lot of him in this offense.

And I think just Walker, because he hasn't been able to stay healthy, and because of, I guess, question marks over his success rate, which is something that people really harp on a lot, like he gets stuffed too much, even though he's hitting big plays at a higher rate.

than most other running backs in the NFL. I think that's kind of like pushed him down the confidence rankings for a lot of people and people just aren't really that into him. So I'm kind of like buying to Ken Walker this year in this offense. I'm very mixed on Ken Walker. I think he's clearly very talented.

He has these Sequin level moments in him. Right. But his back flip thing. Yeah. He like kind of runs like a crab, kind of like saying. He's got bow-legged gait. Yeah, but his inability to stay healthy,

Zach Charbonnet constantly kind of like being involved and when he plays them like peppering him with volume and him being able to like withstand that, I don't disagree with you that the Clint Kubiak offense will be better for him. Yeah, I don't know. It feels like a thin margin here where if everything does go right, I do think Ken Walker like actually could be like the RB5 at the end of the season.

And so in that regard, I do think this is like an interesting pick and it has upside that other running backs maybe don't around where he's going. I think it just depends on whether you believe in the Seahawks system improving. Like just to remind, like, I think one of the harder parts of this is of this, like, just what we're trying to do. I think the hardest part of what we do is just figuring out, like, who's going to be healthy. Like, it sucks to be, have, try to have an opinion on Christian McCaffrey's Achilles' tend to that is. Like, that's, like the most inexact part of what we do.

But frankly, one of the most important things you can try to do is try to figure out which of these offensive coordinator system changes are going to work. and what are going to flail and identifying, like, the Shane Waldron's in Chicago from, you know, of, like, you know, Ben Johnson and Detroit and looking at something like New York with the Jets. And it's like, do you think this coordinator can resuscitate Justin Fields' career or not? Like, that is honestly, like, the biggest thing

you can try to identify in advance. And the Seahawks really are making the bet that we don't think our offensive linemen are the problem. We think the coaching was. And so if you believe in Clint Kubiak, I think Kenneth Walker is a great pick I lean toward I like this. It's a leap.

It is a leap. This is what a post type sleeper is, I feel like. It's somebody that people are like, I just can't get behind this guy anymore or whatever, you know? But it is a leap. I will admit it's a leap because, and I'm like as a Seahawks fan, I'm a little not mystified,

but it worries me that they're putting so much faith in Kubiak fixing their offense. Yeah, like the Texans are overhauling their coordinator spot, but they're also tearing the offensive line down and they're starting over. The Seahawks fired their OC. They essentially fired their quarterback by trading him away, GenoSmith.

They got rid of the two most important people on offense, plus D.K. Metcalfe. And they're kind of putting all their chips into this Clint Kubiak, Sam Darnold thing. And it's like maybe it's going to work. Maybe it's going to look awesome. Who knows? Can I give you the best argument for Ken Walker, D.K.?

Yeah. He's 24. It's the same age as R.J. Harvey. He was just drafted by Denver. Ken Walker's what? His fourth season. So, he's 24 years old. He's just one of those players that,

as I go back and watch running backs for the draft every year, you know, because I'm scouting all these running backs for the draft every year. I keep going back and watching Kenneth Walker's college tape. And I think he's done this in the pros, too. He's definitely flashed, like,

incredible skills in the pros. He's just been hurt a lot. So I think that's kind of like pushed down the perception of him as a player. But he was like one of the most insane college running backs I've ever seen. Go watch his college football stuff. He is so like head and shoulders more talented than most of the running backs we're getting excited about the draft every year. You know what I mean?

Like we're getting all excited about RJ Harvey. We're getting all excited about so and so. Go back and like compare his college tape to Kenneth Walker and you're like, okay, there's no fun. And I think to your point, this is also why I keep wondering, should you just take two receivers at the top of the draft and then like just grab a Ken Walker later? Or another person I like is Breece Hall for the Jets, who also is just 24 years old. The same age of people running back to being drafted in this year's draft.

Wait. No, look, he is the definition of a post-type sleeper. Everyone was obsessed with Breece Hall. Everyone was obsessed with Breeze. all. And then Aaron Rogers came to town and everyone was like, this is going to be crazy. And guess what? Again, Aaron Rogers did the elderly Ben Rothsburger of everything's going to mean shotgun, destroyed the running game. And again, the Jets finished dead last in rushing yards, dead last and rushing attempts. I think people are scared off by like, well, Justin Fields. What if he takes rushing touchdowns? The offense, I don't think the offense is going to be worse for running backs. I think

Breeze Hall is going to be healthier. And then also, Justin Fields, in consensus, is right, like a 115th the quarterback. And we have Justin Fields higher at 100th. I think Justin Fields is going to be one of my favorite guys in fantasy this year. But I look at it very simply. Either Justin Fields needs to be ranked higher or people need to be like cool taking Breece Hall. I think Breezo is the epitome of this exercise because no one has any issues with

this talent and everything about the offense should be more conducive to him. But yeah, I think it's funny to think that you could, you could walk out in theory with like, I'm just making it up. But like Pooka Nuku and A.J. Brown at receiver, maybe even detoured a tight end with like a trade, like maybe you get Tray McRide. but then you can go back and there's a world you leave with like Breece Hall and Ken Walker and that's your offense. It's also funny that you could theoretically get like Christian McCaffrey and

Brees Hall in like rounds one and two or two and three. And those were like the first two picks in fantasy last year. That is wild. The Breece Hall fall off, I think, is one of the more shocking developments of last year. Yeah, it's wild. But it's like soft tissue things. Sure. It was just a nightmare.

Look, it's just by the dip. It's just by the dip. he fell from, yeah, where we haven't ranked last year? Top three pick? I think two or three. I agree to do. It all makes sense. Aaron Rogers being gone and Fields being in.

I think generally like a rushing quarterback, the whole rushing environment is going to be way better. I do think Braylon Allen, the other running back is very good. Yeah, but he didn't break. Breas Hall did not break his, there's no like actually. Breece Hall's ranked like usually when a player goes from the first or second

pick to 42nd, they're like 30 years old or they tour an ACL. Yeah, yeah. And Brise Hall's 24. So I just, I don't know. I agree. I think it's... Stands out. The hardest part of fantasy

is like ignoring your own biases or like ignoring how hurt you were last year by something when the environment is completely changed. And you have to like grow up and acknowledge that. And it's June so I'm not there yet with brief. Maybe by August I will be there. I meant to bring this up earlier. Can I say something controversial

while we're on the last year's biases? I meant to bring this up earlier. But can I... Can I... I have... I feel weird even saying this. Okay. So our...

rankings. Okay. It's really hanging on every word here. Pregnant pause here. I'm just mad. I didn't say this at the top, but whatever. We have Jamar Chase first, and we have Sequin Barclay's second.

While we're on the topic of biases from last season, he's scared at all? I guess, do you guys know how many touches Sequin Barclay had last year? Like, do you know the number? 450? I have no idea. Yeah, and he'd be like one of the first guys to come back to the next year and play a full season, right?

I believe Sequin had 486 touches last year. Good Lord. It is the third most in the 21st century. Yep. And if you look at the list of people who've touched the ball, that's not good. Draw the line wherever you want. 4.30, 4.50.

Whether they play half a season, it's 50-50 to make it 50% of the season. Half the guys keep going and have an incredible season. Derek Henry did it. But the other half of the guys play eight or fewer games. I can read all the names if you want. What is, I would like to know what the control group is just in terms of like every other running back ever. Do you like? Well, I literally tell me the number and I'll plug in the list.

But like, 400, I looked at 400 at first. I'm like, it's 486. Like, that's a lot more. So I put it at like four. No, no, no. I mean, I just mean like how many, how many games is a running back expected to play just like regardless? Like, you're not counting what you did last year. If you're taking them first, more than half, I think is the.

And that's kind of the point to me is we're basically, when we have Sequin, it's a, top two pick. We're saying you literally couldn't do better. But if we're also acknowledging, like, even if you want to, like the list of players who had 486 touches and kept going, it's just a graveyard of really talented. Christian McCaffrey is on the slicks. Derek Academy did it two years in row and then he broke his foot. Like, there was a lot of wear in terror. You should fade Sequin and take Christian McCaffrey if you really like, well, I'm just asking the question of like, are we being a little, so like, are we being silly, not looking at history and saying, yes, of course we are. Should we have Bejan Robinson or

Jamir Gibbs higher than Seekwan? Just out of the shit. your respect to the fact that if Sequin is healthy, you'll want him, but there's like a 30 plus percent chance that the wear and tear is preposterous. Yes. I don't know. I mean, no, the answer has to be no, even though you're making a good argument. Like that's, it's like this weird cognitive dissonance with, like, you, you have to take him as the first running back.

You do. But you're right. Everything you said is right. He's just like, back in the league on the best team in the league. You have to do it. You're either going to be the smartest guy to league or like. the dumbest guy. Well, it's funny because we know, we have, you know,

writing blurs for the fantasy guide. We're going to add all this analysis to the fantasy guy at fantasyfutball.3.com. And I have Sequin. And the downside is there's everyone who's ever touched the ball as much as he did last year. Half of those people missed half the season after that. That's just a fact.

Which is, which is like at one, I don't know. Like, what the fuck? But you're telling me you're staring at what I know, I know, I know. Jamir Gibbs or Bijon Robinson? and you're not going to take Sequin? I know, I know. You should just have a league, one of your leagues,

be the all too cute team and see how it does. They just get too cute. Yeah. Like second overall, I'm taking CMC. Yeah. I'm like passing up Justin Jefferson because of J.J. McCarthy. I'm like, well, I'm not sure about that. But I just, yeah, it's just on the year-to-year thing,

it's like last year we're like, you know, running backs get hurt all the time. You should take receivers. And then we had like the healthiest running back season we can remember. Like, we were doing waivers every week on Mondays. and we're like, all the running backs are fine. It's all fair. And like, even if Sequin does get hurt,

I don't even know if that means that you were incorrect by taking him first overall. Like, I kind of think you just have to. You know what I mean? I think you were probably right. Craig, you don't have to do anything. You have free will. I don't know how we can rank Seekwan outside the top two.

But I also just feel like if Sequin gets hurt, won't we feel a little dumb? the guy on the cover of Madden, he had, I mean, that's almost 500 touches. 500 touches. In a season. Oh, no. Like, that's crazy.

I agree. But what are we supposed to do? I'm supposed to take. I don't know. That's what I'm asking you. I don't know what to do. Is the first overall pick actually bad? Dude, I actually kind of thinking that's where I'm at.

I think I'd rather pick 12th and just get, yeah, I don't know. anyway, good luck with that, everyone. Great. Yeah, that's fun. So, wait, we've been doing post-hype sleepers. Can I give a pre-hype sleeper? Sure. I don't have a post-hype sleeper.

I have a pre-hype sleeper. I have a guy who was good last year, but is getting no hype. And it's Chuba Hubbard on the Panthers. Is Chuba Hubbard maybe good? Yeah. The Panthers have been so wildly irrelevant that nobody has ever talked about Chuba Hubbard. He was just quietly great all year.

Jubba Hubbard had 1,200 yards rushing and 10 touchdowns last year. With Bryce Young. No one. No one. He was like quietly very solid. He was a top 10 running back. He was the RB 10 with Bryce Young. And I'm kind of like there's really not a lot of other great options.

I mean, they brought in Rico Dattle, who was on the Cowboys last year. They drafted Travis E.N's brother, Trevor E.T.N. Jonathan Brooks, they're running back towards ACL again. He's going to be out for all of time. He's officially out for the season. He's on fiscal enable for him. He's like officially out for the entire. higher season cannot come back, Jonathan.

And I'm kind of like, man, is Chuba Hubbard the most silent but deadly pick you can make? Like, what if Bryce, like, what if Bryce Young's good? What if the Panthers are good? The offensive line is like kind of, I don't know. I'm just like, is Chuba Hubbard the most boring, irrelevant running back that you could just get who's like a shoe in for 1,500 yards? I think this is a great call, Craig. I think Chuba Hubbard's the new James Connor. I think this is a really good call.

I think when James Connor went to Arizona, no one cared. Obviously, James Connor in Pittsburgh replacing Levyon Bell was like, like a thing. But when, and it's just obviously James Connor beating cancer is a good story. But when he went to Arizona, Arizona was awful. Arizona was maybe the worst team in the entire NFL. And, you know, no one cared. So we just forgot about him. And James Connor's still there getting contract extensions. Like last year, Conner, and I think in Chuba Hubbard did too. I think Hubbard is like that too, where the Carolina team gets forgotten. Yeah. But Hubbard probably has five years left in the NFL. I think that's a, this is a really

good call. He's 25 years old. And he's kind of seen as like a placeholder on Carolina. And I'm like, I wonder if he will eventually just become like the guy. Do you guys see what I'm saying though about maybe, I'm looking at this and I just big biggest picture for, I mean well, nothing in fantasy football is the biggest picture, but big picture. The last

year was an overcorrection to running backs getting hurt. So everyone's like, I don't want any running backs. Receivers are safe. That all the receivers got hurt or were bad. And the running backs, mostly 16 of the top 20 running backs were basically healthy. And then now we're just this big overcorrection running backs, but where I'm like, oh yes,

Sequin, Bejan, Gives, Derek Henry, Genti, A, Chan, Taylor. And I'm like, I kind of want one of those top nine receivers. And then all these running backs you can get in the third, fourth, maybe the fifth round. I'm like, the names are talking about. Christian McCaffrey's the second rounder. Breece Hall is a third rounder, maybe in the fourth. Joe Mixed. I mean, Omerian Hampton, we talked about like Kenneth Walker, Chuba Hubbard.

There are a lot of running backs in like what you, I guess what used to be the dead zone. But I don't know. I think these guys, these are talented players who are really underrated players. who are really underrated players. And I kind of just do keep wondering about getting like two elite receivers or elite quarterback or a tight end and like just getting running back later. I don't know. Do you think,

do you think fantasy drafters like are aware of that recency bias? Do you think they all are kind of thinking about the fact like, do you think they're aware of like, oh, well, writing backs were healthy last year. So I want to get running backs again. Receivers. No, that's my point. We're mostly, we're, you always over indexed on the last thing that happened to you.

But I guess outside. like Sequin being great, do you think the average drafter is aware enough to over, or like, Oh, no, no, no. I'm saying that how rankings are getting set is that, no, the people making rankings, the fantasy industry is, I think, probably over indexing on what was the healthiest fantasy running back season in 10 or 20 years. So the rank, like, it gets set, this is a nerdyer conversation, but it gets set by best ball. And then there's tweaks and stuff.

But I think last year was like. peak receiver and I think I just I don't know I just think a bunch of running backs are going to get hurt this year and it's like what we said last year isn't necessarily wrong that you know running backs get hurt more so I almost kind of want to take the great receivers first I'm always a fan I'm just getting like a couple awesome receivers and then figuring the rest out yeah okay yeah but I also like those old guys too the wild hogs the old dudes like James Connor still kicking it great movie wildhugs

great Yeah. Yeah. It's a great movie? Great movie. A great movie for what it was trying to be. Okay. What did Roger Ebert give Wildhawks?

Was he alive in 07? I don't know. 14% on Rotten Tomatoes. I'm not sure. Did he review it? He probably didn't even review it. Uh. Did that movie?

How much money that meant? Dude, that movie made $250 million. Dude. That's because everyone saw it with their dad. Holy shit. man why did that make that much money better times simpler times that movie's not bad no it's good i don't think i've actually seen it check it out it's a bunch of old guys going like a like a bro motorcycle motorcycle vacation wow the guy who directed wild hogs also directed van wilder i never would have guessed that in a million

years he's also he also directed another movie called old dogs so he did wild hog wild hogs old dogs oh that's funny Do you think the end of old dogs? Do you think they learn new tricks? It's also starting John Travolta. Craig, how did he go from $250 million or whatever it was of Wildhogs? And then in 2015, he directed Alvin the Chipmunks and in 2021 Clifford the Big Red Dog. Dude, that's cash money. Those are probably actually making money on there.

You disparage Alvin and the Chipmunks. You want to know how much money the Alvin and the Chipmunks movie made? No. The first one, the 2007 one, made $360 million. This guy. So this guy is one of the most bankable directors, Walt Becker. This guy is cranking out hits. This guy is the Scorsese of crappy children's movies.

We need a Kool-Aid movie. Let's check. Alvin and the Chipmunks 2, the squeak wool, $440 million. God damn it. Are you serious? Yeah. How much did Clifford the Big Red Dog make? That one I don't think made much money.

Clifford did bad. That was 201. 107 million. Damn, that's not bad. That's coming out of the pandemic too. What's Walt up to? Walt Becker. Let me check his IMDB.

What's he making? Let's see what he is. See what he is in the hole set right now. He was working with Chris Nolan on the Odyssey. He also wrote a T-Mobile commercial with Molly Cyrus and Tali Parton. He also wrote a novel, which was on the best set, the L.A. Times best seller list for four weeks. This guy's everything he touches

is gold. He has a new movie called Trade Show that he's directing. We don't know much about it. A lot kept under wraps. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Walt Becker. I was not familiar with your game. Let's check Alvin and the Chipmunks 3.

What's the pun for that one? The squeakles great. Tree. The squeakle. It's Alvin and the Chipmunks chip wrecked. Shipwrecked. That's not great. That's not good.

That's not good. $340 mil. Oh my God. What are we doing? Should we make a half in Shipwunks movie? I can't believe Wildhog's made $250. Wow. All right.

Ricky Bobby first or last guy. Someone was going to finish way higher, way lower than where you rank them. And because DK did Christian Kirk on the last one. We also need an element of this person might actually help you win your league. So, D.K. Who's your Ricky Bobby guy? This one's kind of tough. I went with Kyron Williams.

of the Rams who he's such an interesting one like if he good I don't know I look at him like a Cal Norton it's funny to see him as a Ricky Bobby so here's the deal he's been really good in fantasy scores a ton of touchdowns

is the only guy that Sean McVeigh has trusted in the backfield and gets incredible volume at the end of the day volume is like the most strongly correlated to fantasy points that's that's really all that matters and he gets a ton of volume however coming into this next

season it's important to note that a lot of his numbers went down last year. His success rate dropped almost 10%. Yards per attempt dropped almost a yard. Receiving numbers dropped. He actually, I think there's some chance that he has some touchdown regression. He had 14 touchdowns last year, fifth most. And I would not be surprised to see the ramps throw for more touchdowns this year versus run,

just based on like pure blind randomness. And he also fumbled a lot. I don't know. And it also added in like Sean McVeigh is talking a lot this offseason. And this doesn't mean anything necessarily because you hear coaches talk about shit and then completely do the opposite during the season when it comes down to it. But he's talked a lot more this offseason about seeing how other teams use committees and how useful that is.

And they've drafted, you know, Jack was Hunter. They drafted Blake Quorum last year. They have really good depth, honestly, at running back. And honestly, if you look at the way that Kyran's played over the last few years, like you could argue he's not the best running back on the team. He's just the guy that McBae trusts the most. So I don't know. It's going to be very interesting to see how this.

all shakes out. He's not cheap. He's the RB 11 in fantasy pros rankings, 26 overall. You're drafting him to be like a cornerstone of your roster, RB1, you know, or, you know, it's like going to be your second pick. So it's just, it's risky because I think there's a world in which he is either in a committee or just straight up gets benched or he's awesome and he's like a top three running back. I don't know what's think of him. Yeah, the reports of Kyron Williams' death are always kind of greatly exaggerated.

It's like every year, I feel like we have this conversation, and it ultimately just comes down to the fact that Sean McVeigh really likes them. Yeah. But there's always, there's always like so much depth beneath them. They're always drafting these like third and fourth round guys that come in and we think one of them's going to take over, and then it's just Kyron Williams. This is the... I agree with you that the year could just begin.

Kiron Williams is a backup and then it's all over. Sean McVeigh has also in the past kind of been brutal with the way that he handles his depth charts. You know what I mean? Like, he just fucking moved on from Cooper Cup. Like he was like, I'm done with you, Cooper. I don't think that's quite the same. Why?

I mean, Cup was done. Cup is, I think Cup is done. Yeah. And Karen Williams led the NFL and fumbles last year. And his yards per attempt to went down a full yard. He was not nearly as good as he was.

But do you think that's because of him? Or do you think that was related to the first half of the year when they're like, I mean, I believe the Rams are the most offensive line combinations in the league in the first half. They had seven different O lines in the first eight weeks. Well, I mean, I don't know.

Which was McVe's fault. This feels like a hard argument to have just because, like, is cup washed? I don't know. He did get a lot of money from the Seahawks. So they didn't think he was washed necessarily. But I don't know what, like basically my point is Sean McVeigh is pretty brutal. He traded away Jared Goff after Jared Goff started sucking. He basically dumped Cooper Cup when Cooper Cup started sucking.

Like if Kyron Williams started struggling, even more than he did last year, He's not going to hesitate to dump this guy. He's pretty ruthless, is my point. He likes what he likes. Yeah. Craig, who's your Ricky Bobby guy? Nothing there. What are you going to say to that, pal?

I feel like the Rams were trying to trade Cooper Cup and McVeigh was the reason why they kept him. I think they were trying to trade him and they couldn't get anything for Cooper Cup. And they held on because he was one of the pillars of the team and a captain and a leader. And eventually they were, I mean, they were able to get Devante Adams. And they're like, yeah, Cooper Cup's going to go. Yeah. And they tried to trade for him. and everyone's like, there's no way you're holding on, so they cut them, which just sucks.

But it was, like, it was the right move. Pooka and Kuhin Tavante Adams, Stafford, like, you need to go and try and win Super Bowl with how many young pieces they have a defense. So I think that's fine. I think Kiron, I don't agree with you, Craig, that I don't think Kireen's going to be a backup quarter. Because also, if you guys really feel this way, then you didn't even move Blake Korum up 80 spots. I'm just saying by the end of the season, like Kiron Williams could be irrelevant.

I think that's in play. I think I agree. I just think it's as simple as Blake Korum could just play more. And I think Kyron could have the light edge and work. I wouldn't be surprised at that at all. I think he's going to play Quorum. I mean,

you think he's going to play over Corum? I just think it's all these guys, Shanahan Rams. It's like we see the same thing over and over again. The rookies don't, I know I'm just sound like a broken record. The rookies don't play for the fucking detail-oriented maniacs

who are perfectionist. The perfectionist coaches, again, but what the wide, I know it's Shannon doesn't just run wide zone system anymore, but the whole thing is it sounds so simple of like,

oh, just instead of blocking a guy block a spot and then we're out and then make a cornerback tackle. That sounds simple. The reason all the stuff works is the details have to be perfect. It's similar to push push. It sounds simple, but if the details are perfect. So you end up with these guys who are perfectionists.

And so the rookies never play for these guys in the beginning. It's very hard. But then you give a year and these sixth round running backs are like taking over. So I don't know. I think in general, like I just think Blake Gorham, if you agree with that, I just would take Blake Gorham. I just think Karen Williams risky. I know in the Dynasty streets, people are trying to offload Kairn.

That's for sure. So take Blake Corum. You're out of Black Corum? That's what you're hearing in the streets. Yeah. There's those back alley deals at night. Trying to pour honey in your ear about how great Kairn Williams is. I hate that phrase.

Can you imagine honey? Oh, I hate things. I know. It's very much of that. Porn honey on a goat. That's better. My Ricky Bobby is Devon A. Chin because last year, when Tua played, he averaged 19 points a game, which is the second best in the league.

and when Tua didn't play, he averaged five points, which is the 50th best in the league. God damn. Yeah, that's true, Craig. This is a good one. Everything we said about H-Chen last year was correct. Yeah. Including when we disagreed with ourselves.

It's a good field chop and a bad field job. There's a big difference. And I don't know. I don't know what you do with Devon H.N. I don't know what you do with the entire Dolphins' offense. But if he play, if him and two are on the field together for 17 games, he might be the best running back to the game. Yeah.

Right. 19 verse 5 points per game Would you rather have ACHN or McCaffrey? ACHA, I think God, that's horrible. It's close. How dare you ask me that? Well, right now I have HN ranked higher,

but I think if it's August 28th and McCaffrey is fully healthy and everything's great, I would take McCaffrey. Yeah, I agree with that. But if I read a 6th, single word about his calf being tight. He says, if we had a game today, I would be playing in it.

I'm out. It's August 11th. It was a month before the season. A month later, he wasn't playing in the game. They were playing. Yeah, he went on to miss the, it's like the Ron Howard. He went on to miss the next 12 games. All right, Craig, now the tuxedos are kind of fucked up.

Who is a team that you kind of just don't know how to rank the running backs? Jacksonville, I think. Yeah. I think Travis E.T.N. is probably the most hated starting running back in the NFL in the fantasy community. And they just drafted Bayshal Tutin. They have Tank Bigsby,

who sometimes people like him, sometimes they don't. Sometimes he looks great. He was terrible his rookie year. They looked better the next year. ETN has been all over the place. And then now they draft Tutin, who is kind of a beloved draft analyst,

sleeper type coming into the mix. Routing for Tutin. This backfield's the very rarely seen drafted by the three previous Regimes. Oh, yeah, sure. Travis E.N was Urban Meyer. And then you have Doug Peters and took Biggsby. Tony? Was that, was that the

Yes, the Jags was stunned. They drafted ETN because Tony wasn't there. Urban Meyer was so mad that Dave Gettelman took Cadarious Tony. So Urban Meyer took Travis Etym. So, you know, I'm going to go in now with Tutin. I just like, I think I'm just going to avoid all of it.

Yeah. I, I know I like the Jags. But I agree. it's confounding, but I don't want to just... I'm not saying I don't like the Jags is like, could they be a good team this year, but do you like, do you like, what would you do? I want to monitor August, but I think I would just take...

I probably would just have a principal take the cheapest one. I feel like ETIP has a chance of being a really good post-type sleeper. He's exactly... Yeah, honestly, that's probably correct. Or like, I don't know if that's the right category to put him in, but he has a, he has a chance to be, like, because, like, Craig, you said this, or Hypo's maybe he said it. It's like, no one hates...

He's the most hated player. in fantasy right now. ETN's ranked outside the top 100. Everyone thinks he sucks. Honestly, we should do the all... Everyone's like calling for his head in fantasy. Right. Is the key to winning your lead this year

just to take the guys that people have bad experiences with that are still under 26? Like take Travis Eton, take Ken Walker, take Breece Hall, who in previous seasons, they were just... I mean, literally all those guys' coaches got fired. They're not hurt.

Like, they're in better situations. They're like, just take those guys. I feel... I'm formulating like an ETN take person. in my mind right now. That's how I feel about ETN. Okay. Wow.

I really drug up a lot of emotions there. To be clear, in the real world, not confident in ETN. Okay. Within that, within the confines of the tape bird. Right. Still, every time I love Travis ETN when they, he came back after Urban Meyer got fired, and he was Doug Peterson's first year. They asked him, so what was it like because he broke his foot and he missed this

whole work year? And he was like, what did you think of the Urban Meyer thing? He's like, I don't know. I kind of missed all that. Thank God. I know. He's like happy that he missed it. My team, I can't figure out as just Dallas.

Javante Williams signed there. They have Jaden Blue. They're running back into Texas. And I can't prove it. But I think Jaden Blue is going to be the best rookie running back in this class. I can't prove it. It sounds insane. That's a good.

That's another good. Speaking of Take Proaches. I should have saved that. I can't prove it. But I just think he's going to play. The best rookie running back in this class? Even horror. No, no, sorry, for fantasy this season.

No, not like better than Gentiles. Are you mean in terms of like where you drafted him? Yeah. Sorry, I should have said that way better. That sounded pretty insane. I can't prove it. I just, I don't know. I just don't know what to do with Dallas.

It's like in theory, like an offense that could be really good. I think Dak's going to throw them about 48 times a game. Yeah, I just. Pickens, baby. Pickens. DK., who's the team you don't know what to do with running back? So the definition of this is we rank these players next to each other because you don't know what to do with them.

We literally have Caleb Johnson and Jalen Warren ranked next to each other. RB30 and RB31. And I think that reflects a lot of things. Number one, we don't know what to expect from this running game. Number two, we don't know expect how Arthur Smith is going to divvy up the running back utilization, or like how they're going to use them early down versus passing down. I suppose Caleb Johnson is probably going to be the early down guy and then Jalen Warren, the third down guy, but who knows?

And yeah, that's about it. And like, we just don't know how good this offense is going to be. So what do we do with these fucking guys? If Arthur Smith can convince Aaron Rogers to go under center and run a lot of play action, then Caleb Johnson will be great. If not, I think Jalen Warren's probably the pick. Right. Players you hate, but you have to rank them.

Dekh is the guy you have to rank, but you will not take. We mentioned DeAndre Swift earlier. I think he's just like really risky to me. But the other guy I want to throw out here, I have no good reason to hate this man because he's actually, I think, pretty good. But Isaiah Pacheco for the Chiefs. I think it's just the way he runs. It just bothers me.

The crescendo playlist. Pacheco. He just runs too hard. He like runs like he bites people. Punish the earth. I can't, I kind of can't believe that he, like he's been the guy for the chiefs for a little bit now.

Like, I can't believe they just keep running it back with his advantage. Kansas City's slow transition from like this really fast team to this really slow team is really funny. Epitomized by Pacheco breaking his leg mid-season and just being there running back for a Super Bowl run. I think the rational part of my brain is like Pacheco is going to be a good pick because no one's really talking about him.

He's another good post-side super. You know what I mean? Everyone's like he looked bad. He was coming off a major injury. Right. He was coming off a major injury. He was going to be in a good offense. They seemed to trust him.

And they didn't really do much to upgrade the position. They got, they re-signed Kareem Hunt, who is the slowest player on the field at any given time. And then they drafted a guy in seventh round, I think, to be like a spaceback type of player. So Pacheco is the guy, I think.

So we just figure out, it's the secret to the fantasy. It's instead of running back, it's guys who gives, running backs to give you the ick. Right. The running bicks. And it's Bree's Hall.

Ken Walker, Isaiah Pacheco, and Travis Cetian, and that is probably a league winning. You draft those four guys who are extremely attainable. Yeah. Where's the Chekko? Yeah, that's wild.

You could get all four of them outside of rounds like six, and those can be four running back. Two of them probably hit. Yeah, you could draft two receivers, a quarterback, tight end receiver, and just go running back, running back, running back, running back. That's interesting.

The running back. I don't know if it hits. I don't know if that's there. No. Damn. No. It's too bad. Running Bick.

You're right. I just think of like a shaver, like a Bick. You made a pen? Wait, doesn't Bick make a shaver too? But yeah, you're right. Bick the pen company makes the razors? Don't they make lighters? Bick Razor.

Maybe I'm like mixing it up. No, they do make razors. They're just like one of those generic brands. It's like Johnson and Johnson. I have never seen a Bick Racer. Disposable raisers is what I was thinking. But you're right. They also make pencils.

don't they? And lighters, right? Well, I think a Bick, I think of a lighter. What is that? What do they do? Oh my God, we should do a poll when you hear the word Bick. Yeah, I think Liders is going to win. I think Penns will be second and I think I think the razors would be third.

So the razors will win. I think lighters is probably the most famous. Yeah, I didn't even. A Bick lighter is like synonymous with like a disposable lighter. I didn't even know they had razors. What's their deal? Are they like the severance company that just quietly make everything? What is Bick an acronym?

So BIC is, no, BIC is a word, it's BICH. I think, I forget it's French or German. It's French. It's BICH, but obviously in America that would be pronounced bitch. So they just took the H off for the American brand. Wow. But what is BICH mean? They're known for lighters, razors, pens, and sports equipment.

Sports equipment? They're really just kind of doing everything. It's like, it's like Yamaha. The whole BIC universe writing, oh my God, I'm on their site. They also specialize, Craig, this is great. They launched BIC sport, which specializes in wind surfing boards. What? How are these related?

My son took up windsurfing, so we're just going to make the best wind surfing board. So it's just water sports, pens, and lighters. Interesting. That's smart. They're diversified. If any of their pillars goes down, they're okay. There's a, Craig, there's a great video, something along the same lines. They're talking about these guys that are, like, lampooning the fact that, like, Yamaha,

I think it was Yamaha makes like, they make like world class keyboards and also motorcycles and also outboard motors. Like, it's just so funny. Like the most fucking random, like, and they're like the best at each of those things. Can't take them down.

They're not relying on any one thing. Email is that. Tariffs. Yeah. Email is at Ringar Fantasy Football Gmail. com more things like Yamaha where they just make like pianos and motorcycles. More like random companies

that do like two or three. things. Motor cycle. Because I remember, I think growing up, like, it was a term that you bick your head when you like shave, like when you use a razor to shave your head. We grew up at different times. Well, that's true. And also, you guys both have your hair.

So, yeah. Get ready to learn Bick. Craig, did you know that Bick made razors? No. Interesting. Pretty famous. Any of the players you guys want to talk about or you want to do emails? Emails.

Treg just screwed up his hair there. That was funny. Craig's like subconscious He's like, stuck up there for a second. I don't want to have a Bick ever. Okay. Well, one, Craig had this crazy thing. You dropped in the chat.

And I have a comment on it. Yeah, we talked about who where? We were saying Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson was three. And I'm like, because he was taken in the third round. And then I joked, well, then Brock Purdy should wear number 256. Brock Purdy, where, somebody tweeted us.

I actually want to shout them out because this was great by them. Spell at underscore Bayback tweeted us that Brock Purdy wears number 13, which if you add up 2 plus 5 plus 6, it is 13. So that blew my mind. And then I had bad news. I double checked it. He wasn't taken 256. Brock pretty was taking 262nd.

But the random number you pulled out of your head does add to 13. Yeah. That's good. but that was deserving. That is quite the anti- Yeah, anti-climactic there. He also wore 13 in high school, which I burnt down the rabbit hole,

but not Iowa State. We got an email from Darcy. Darcy. DeBone. We did the... DeBone plays. For sure. Come back to DeBone.

We got an email. So we did episode, I don't remember one, about the hockey teams. We went through the origin of every hockey team name and why they're called that. So Darcy emails in.

True story. before well the subject line was my grandfather ruined a hockey team so darcy says it's true story before the san jose sharks or the sharks they were the california golden seals and my grandpa was actually the first president of the california golden seals and has the distinction of making the worst trade in nchl history my grandfather traded guy la flur le flur to montreal for a bunch of nobodies and guy la flur ended up being a hall of fame hockey player it was The trade was so bad that there were conspiracy theories that my grandfather made the trade because his dad, my great-grandfather, used to run the Montreal Canadians. And to be clear, not true.

My grandfather just sucked at the job. Oh, man. California Golden Seals is cool. That is a good name. Is that an actual animal? The Golden Seals? I don't know if a gold. I think it may just be like the Golden State, but let's see.

Seals are known. How much that would be worth? A golden seal? There's a plant named Golden Seals. I don't know. I don't know if they're actually an animal. How much golden seals too much? It seems like a medicine, Aaron Rogers takes.

Over-the-counter golden seal preparations? What is? You watch your mouth about Aaron Rogers, son. You shut your mouth and you're talking to me. Yeah, I don't think they're real. It's a plant. I don't know what it does. It's a dietary supplement thought to aid the immune system.

Okay. So it's a scam. Sorry. All right. This email's from Brandon. Brandon. No, that's not good. We were talking about how we'd rather milk cows for milk than make olive oil.

For sure. Well, Mr. Coastal Elite. Well played, Craig. Brandon says, I do not know the process of making olive oil. It's a lot. But waiting for olives to grow and then monkeying with the olives for a week. Seems way easier than having to milk a cow for milk because I raise beef cattle, which are lower maintenance than dairy, but the work required to feed over a winter and ensure proper

health nutrition, keep your cows water clean every day. And then having to carve them out just to have milk makes olive oil production sound like a breeze. I will sit there and watch the olives grow all summer. Hell yeah. Plus you're probably like. Yes, he's probably right. You're probably like in Italy, like in the Italian countryside or whatever. And it's beautiful.

and you're drinking wine and eating bread and olive oil. It's lovely. This is what people do for vacation. No one goes on vacation to milk a cow, Craig. As we learned. What are you talking about? Hyphids goes on virtual vacation to milk a cow. The Red Dead Red Dead Red Dead Redemption.

The response to the Red Dead Red Dead Redemption was very funny. It was entirely just people who play Red Dead Red Dead Redemption. And shout out to everyone emails about writing like 1,000 word essays about their experience playing Red Dead Red Dead Redemption, why they believed, while they thought I was right. Some people thought I didn't explain it well, but they were like, the meaning that game has to them. And the second group of Memos was people like Colton, who wrote, and I quote,

I've never played Red Dead 2 just sounds like Farmville with good graphics. I mean, that's fair. Which I did a very poor job explaining it, but Red Dead is, it's like, it is unbelievable. And it's, I think I didn't explain it well. Do you know that you could like live your real life? No. You could go do some. Get outside.

I need to clarify something. Don't touch grass. The part of the chores, which I wish I'd explain better, is the epilogue to the game and it's the whole game as you're a cowboy being chased to like the edge of existence and I can talk

but like the end of the game it's like the PS it's like the post credit scene is after all this running from the law robbing banks all this stuff you've done which is over hundreds of hours is hey you actually did it you're just going to live a normal life

on your homestead you build a house and you have a family and you just do it and it's actually the bridge between the two games but like does it make you in the game does it make you You know, like in Hurt Locker, always like, I got to go back. You know, like, I think that was lost.

No, I know, I know a D.K. I didn't see the heart locker. I just, thanks, Hyphins. Yeah, he's like, he's like an adrenaline junkie. He misses the high. So wait, you're telling me that you, you've played this game for hundreds of hours. And then at the end, there's an epilogue where it's like, congrats. You're free.

You can start a life, have a family. You have a little house on a farm. So it's there are missions. Like people who watch the entire credits. And there are missions in the, You're done with the game and you're like, I'm going to stick around and keep playing so that I can milk a cow. Well, no. So the first game was this one character.

And it was in 1911. What was his name? It was John Marston. Jay Bow. The second game. Damn you. Shit. The good one.

Fuck. Jay Bow. The second game is a prequel and you're a different character and John's in the game. Oh, I'm bored. I'm bored. God damn. Well, the point is, the epilogue, you get dragged back in the game. to the life.

I think I hate it more now that you're explaining it more. Like it makes it that worse. You get dragged back into gang life and it's sad, but you can sit and there's a brief moment of time where you can like have a family and not get dragged into gang life. There's a whole world out there. Yeah. And that's the thing.

You can just ignore in a physical. There's a brief moment in time. So you're dreading getting pulled back into this gang life. So you kind of just like live in this temporary bliss of doing chores virtually. Yeah. That's the whole point of like the game is. basically, it's the whole point of open world games in general so you don't have to do the mission. You're going to do whatever we want.

Side quest, all this stuff. And it's oddly rewarding. Dude, check, there's so many people agree with me. But, oh my God. It's, yeah, but also it's... I'm not saying people don't agree with you. I think the point, though, is I have represented this game very poorly. I've represented this game very poorly. That's not the game. Grand Deft Auto is, thank you, Kai. It's Grand Theft Auto in the Wild West. You can get on a horse and do anything

and go anywhere in the biggest map they ever made for a video game. Yeah, but you're not milking a cow and the fucking West. Grand Teft Auto. What'd you say? You're not milking cows in Grand Theft Auto, are you? You could do a lot of mundane shit in Grand Theft Auto. That could be a euphemism. Yeah.

You know what I mean? You could be milking and cow. Dude, we got essays from people talking about what it means of their life. Now, I've done a bad job explaining Red Dead twice and people are going to be really upset with me. Please email in it pitch for Red Dead. I understand the draw, but it doesn't sound fun to me. It's not all milking cows. Oh, fuck, I fucked it up.

I'm so mad. I'm going to Italy in a week and I'm going to go to an all of. oil farm and taste allboils. I'm going to ask the guy, would you rather milk a cow? Okay. Or do this? We got a very important email here. Okay. And I'm going to pull up this person's name because I want to make sure I get it right. It's from Kevin.

Kev. Okay. So Kevin says I've been inspired I've been inspired by recent email segments to go ahead. Kayhole? Ugh. I don't like that. Do you think screaming Is there any other name that you can scream?

Cahole? That takes you back? No, like, screaming the word Kevin. Like, is there any other name that you can scream that makes you think of a movie more than screaming Kevin makes you think of home alone? Oh, that's a good question. Is there any other name more associated to like a line of yelling the name? Like Will Ferrell yelling Roger. I don't even know what you're referring to. Well, that's like one of my favorite ways.

David Roger! I'm sure there are. I'm trying to think. God damn you, Roger. What about age? Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's high. Dude, that was something, that was the other day.

Craig, I emailed you or whatever because Jason Schwartzman is, his mom is the actress who told you shy. Yeah. Which I had not ever put together. Is that real? I guess. I don't know that either. Wait, Craig.

He's a coppola or copula. A coppola. Imagine if I said that. Francis Ford Copeland. What happened if I said Francis Ford Copeland? You'd be hung in the town square today. Fucking drawn and quartered. Yeah, I admit.

I was wrong. DK says it. I'm not trying to gaslight you into thinking I was right. That's a very distinct difference there. I really wish. I like, I love town squares. I like that.

It makes me think of like back to the future. I wish everything was more local like that. Makes you think. You know, let me tell you, Craig. Craig, I got good news.

If you liked the 1950s, I have a whole thing that's happening for you right now. There's a lot of people that want to go back. I'm not saying I like everything about the 50s. Just that's kind of specific part. I have a whole movement. Let's talk afterwards. Okay.

So, well, you said a name that's more indicative of a movie. Rachel! Oh, yeah. Rachel! Where is she? Rachel! Yeah, sorry. Okay.

Anyway, K-Hole's email. K-Hole. Kevin says, I've been inspired by recent email segments to go ahead and power rank the alphabet according to the association with the bone. Oh, hell yes. What a fucking legend. So Kevin's rankings. Number one, T-Bone. Every letter.

T-bone. Number one, T-bone. Classic iconic tough. Steak. Yeah. Number two, he's got D-Bone. Street Smart. D-Bone.

Kevin, the next three, Kevin's got C-bone, J-bone, O-Bone. C-bone. C-bone is not third. Terrible. I quibble with, I think J-bone is the best. I mean, J-bone should be three. J-bone should be one. Let me pull up the young alphabet.

J-bone over T-bone is crazy. No. T-bone is one. J-bone is literally where I got the whole thing. J-bone. T-bone is a steak. I think A-bone is. T-Bone's not something you call someone.

T-Bone's a character to rest of the development. I think J-B, I think J and T are Tier 1. Yeah, S-tier, yeah. So then he's got O-Bone sounds like the O-Bow, which, what is that thing? O-Bone? No. K, yeah, he's ranking, K-Bone. He's got K-Bone 6, K-Bone.

These rankings are-Rank. I appreciate the rankings. I don't think they're right. He's got K-Bone, G-Bone, A-Bone. Then he's got Z-Bone, which he says unique and zesty. Z-Bone. E-bone. Wait, what is dead last?

because I have an opinion. Use W bone. Yeah, that's correct. Any multi-syllable letter. W-bone. And then the bottom four is like, I-bone, N-bone, R-bone, M-bone. W is the only

W-multable letter, right? That's the only multisyllabic letter. Is that right? I think so. Yeah. I think it's J and I think it's T. I would argue A-bone might be higher than people think.

A bone. Yes. He's got Q bone 14th, which I don't know how to fruit. Ybone is 17. It's actually crazy how little letters work now. Like, I actually think it's just J&T. Y bone is not good. Yeah.

I think it's just J and T. Maybe D bone. He's got Dibone second. D bone's okay. Dbone's okay. It's the number two in the ranking. No, it's not two. It's three, three or four.

Craig, did you just, did you say I'm going to pull up the old alphabet? Yeah. Did you Google? Alphabet? Yeah. I wanted, because my keyboard is chaotic. Ironically, because that's who owns Google. I wanted to see it in order, you know, A to Z, old school.

That's Googling, Google, you Googled Alphabet. What are the 26 letters of the alphabet? You know what's funny? Googling alphabet, it's harder to actually just get the alphabet. It is, yeah, they really talk about their company. Also, remember when we looked into the history of letters? And then some Italian guy claimed that he invented the letter J? Yeah.

Because Austin Power is like, I invented the question mark, but it's like a guy did invent J. And then we went to his Wikipedia and it said the father of the letter J. Oh, yeah, it was shout out Gian Giorgio Tracino, the father of the letter J. All right. Does this mean I have to stop doing all the bone things? Because I kind of still want to do it. I mean, it's a free country.

All right. Craig, what were you doing? Googling out, Googling alphabet? How's that going? You have to like click four times to get to the alphabet. You do. Dude, Google is unused. It took a while.

How's this company worth $2 trillion? I can't use the thing. Am I missing something? What's going on? I like how, I like how, who did this email again? Let's see here. K-bone. K-bone.

Kevin, I like how he put some, like, commentary here. D-Bone is like a street-smart guy. D-Bone is the people's bone. Street-smart. I love my favorite is N-bone. He says walks a tricky line. That's Kevin's on it. You bone.

You bone. You bone? Elbone. It says the people's bone. I don't know what that means. It's elbow, like an elbow. Oh, the people's bow. The people's bone.

Yeah, now I get it. That makes sense. That's good. Is your elbow a bone or a joint? Not a bone, I don't think, right? it's the end of the... How would you define an elbow? It's a joint.

Is the actual elbow point... An elbow is that a part of the humorous or is that a part of the ulna or the radius? What? Is it the humorous bone? Is it the end of the humorous bone or is it the ulna or the radius? The elbow joint is where your humorous meets your radius and ulna. Yeah. Oh, good job, Greg.

Yeah, I think it's all three. It's the confluence, like the rivers in Pittsburgh. But like the actual like, you know, like the hard, the bony part of the elbow. Like, what is that directly attached to? Your nub. Your nub? You're the end of one of those. I don't know what people call it.

What? You don't understand what I mean. It's the end of the orna. Craig. It's the end of your ulna. Deaconters. If you would have asked me to name the arm bones and like a gun to my head, I would be dead.

I just crushed that. How did you do radius and ulna? Because I don't know. I used to, I liked anatomy. I took anatomy in high school. It stuck. Nice. I just do a lot of my own research.

What else did you learn? You're not a doctor. I actually haven't even broken that. Have you guys broken a lot of bones? I'm not, I'm not even answered. Knock on wood. Oh,

you've never broken a bone. It's not what I said. I've broken ab bone. Oh, come on. What have you broken, D.K.? I broke a metatarsal in my hand. Whatever bone is in your hand. I think I have a stress fracture in my foot right now, but that's just me being 30.

Let's see. It is the metacarpus. Metacarpal. Because think of carpal tunnel for you. Right. Yeah. It was the, I don't know what number. It's the ring finger on my right hand,

the metacarpal. And I don't have a knuckle. Really? What? Oh, you don't. You don't have a knuckle. Why the fuck don't you have a knuckle? You got one eye.

You got one eye. What the fuck happened to your knuckle? You got one eye. It's gone. It like went into, hold them up to the camera. What do you mean it's gone? You got four knuckles. If you're on Spotify right now.

you can watch the video or it's on YouTube. TK.K. Can you guys see that clearly? Yeah, I can. What happened? Where's your knuckle? So when you break the carpal bone, the metacarpal bone, it, like, the tension, like, released in my knuckle a little. Do you understand what that means, Mr. Anatomy guy? So it's like, it's like the ultimate cracking of the knuckle.

You cracked it so much. Tension. It's like, honestly, like, I don't know exactly what happened, but, like, the bone and it, like, obviously, like, displaces all the, like, how, it's like, think of, like, it's like, like, think of, like, like, pole. When you put it into a tent and you like hook it into the things, it all stands up or whatever. But then if you take it, take it

out, it kind of sags or whatever. Maybe a really bad analogy. I'm not a doctor, to be clear. I've just, I can read though. Yeah. So I don't know. The knuckles gone. So what is, what? Is it? It's still there. It's just not sticking out as much. It's just lower. It's just been pushed down. But also like,

it's not that different. Like, if you look at the real one. It looks different. I mean, it's definitely like, retracted a little. I broke my pink tea and it never healed because I didn't heal it. I just kept playing sports in high school. Because you're Bill Diff. And it's now like bent weird.

Let me see. I don't know if you can see. But like can you see that bump? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. You freak. You know, compared to this. Oh, oh my God.

Well, that was like when I broke my hand. So the this finger, my ring finger on my right hand, it was twisted slightly. So like for a couple years after I broke it, like my finger would like bang into my other fingers. It was like a loose cannon. And it was just not, you know, like you're not used to. It took a while for me to learn how to reuse that finger a little bit or like whatever because it would just like get stuck on my pinky or get stuck on my middle finger a little bit.

Interesting. Because it was just like out of alignment slightly. It was just like rubber. Have you guys seen? I can move it, but it was just like rotated a little. Have you guys seen Tori Holt's hands? Oh, all the receiver's hands are brutal. Dude, Google Tori Holt hands.

They're all their hands are just fucked. Oh my God. Oh my God. Like a right angle. Jeez. Unreal. Looks like a dolly painting. Yeah, seriously.

This looks like AI made this. Dude, Calvin Johnson's hands are pretty brutal, too. Oh, really? I don't think I've seen hands. Dude. Look at, oh my God. Is that Bougar?

Bougar McFarland? Oh, yeah, Calvin's hands are tough. I don't know. Tori Hall. Oh, Booger's hands are pretty bad too. Google Booker McFiard here. Oh, my God. Oh, shit.

Yo. Yikes. Wow. Football seems hard. Dika, can I see your hand again? What? Did you do to break? You got one eye.

You got four. You got one eye. No, I was just playing basketball. It was like a weird freak thing where the ball grazed my ring finger and it broke the metacarpal for some reason. It was just like a, I don't know. And I remember like the ball grazed off my finger and I was like, ah, what the fuck? And then I went like, I just kept playing. And then I went to like grab a revout.

later and I was like oh fuck like that's definitely broken yeah um so yeah anyway uh I broke my right hand learning to wipe your ass with your other hand very weird I will confirm I know that's kind of like a thing that people know about but yeah it's it's it's super weird try it out I know what you meant that what you actually said was I broke my hand you meant a comma but what you said was I broke my hand learning to wipe my ass other hand I thought for a second you're saying you broke your other hand learning to wipe your ass I could see it happen. I could see that happen. You guys both white, righty?

Yeah, we're right. Dominant, yeah. Yeah. I go lefty. Oh, my God. Because you're lefty, aren't you? Yeah, yeah. Does anyone use their offhand?

In some cultures, you just go left. Oh, that's right. Everyone has to go left. That's the expectation. Yeah. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Carlos.

Thank you, awesome. Thank you, Lauren. Thank you, Seal. Nice. How was there in the Super Bowl? How is the amount to do ad age for you guys? Because I actually kind of just like it now when it comes on. I haven't seen it since.

I don't see a lot of commercials. I don't watch a lot of TV, like TV TV. What about live sports? Well, I usually just watch football. And I don't watch commercials during football unless it's an island game. I don't mind the commercial now. It is so unabashedly a cash grab that I, It's like a space circle where they come around and now I respect it.

Yeah. Kiss from a Rose is good. It's great. Did he do other stuff? Is he famous for a lot of other songs? I can't remember. Honestly. I couldn't name the other ones.

I can't picture his other songs. I know he did a lot of other songs. His name is Seal. Kind of didn't expect that. Yeah, no, I did not expect that. I like how when you Google Seal, it actually is the first thing that hits. Yeah. What do you think is the most famous animal that we could surpass in fame?

Like if you Google that person, the person comes up, not the animal. Seals are a pretty big animal to come up for seals. Yeah. Golden Seal. That's what he should change his name to. Yeah. What animal could we? Hmm.

Flea? Flea is the basest. He already did that. No, I know. Yeah, that's a good, that's a good call. I'm thinking of artists. Oh, we got an animal email to read. Damn.

What about, like, wombat? like a but like aren't we talking about people named no I thought he was saying which which animal could we like

could we change our name and become more famous than the animal carrot top yeah exactly but carrots still bit better than him do you think meatloaf the artist is better than meatloaf

let's Google meatloaf yeah I do I think meatloaf's underrated I'm just going to say it meatloaf is just a meatball you know what I mean meatloaf is just a meatball Big old meatball.

Everybody loves a meatball. Everybody hates meatloaf because it has a bad name. It's dry. There's too much of it. It's dry. It's the same thing as a meatloaf. I mean, as a meatball. Meatballs are good because it's a certain size and it only, you only have to, you don't have to, like,

eat through a giant loaf. Well, serve yourself as much as you want. Use an ice cream scooper. I don't fucking care. The problem is Craig. It's not served. ice cream scoops. It's served in a giant fucking square.

If I got a meatball and grabbed like a smash burger smasher and just pressed it down, that becomes a burger. But the process of cooking the meatloaf does not yield something that tastes as good as meatballs. That's like... Also, is it exactly the same? Is it actually the same? I mean, like, I think

basically. To a certain extent, yes. I mean, meatballs oftentimes you like pan-frying so they get a little crispy. You could probably just, you could do that to meatloaf. But the meatloaf, like, nobody does. It doesn't come out the same. Too much meat. It's too large segment of meat. I just think for how much people love meatballs and hate meatloaf,

they're actually not that different. That's my whole point. Craig, we got to do a test. You make a meatloaf. We'll use ice cream scooper. Dole up it on to spaghetti and see if anyone can tell the difference. I'll roll it up into a ball. This seems like a lot of work for not much payoff, but that's fine.

I feel like I would definitely know the difference of which one. Do it to your kids once you have kids. You think if I made a meatloaf and then ice cream scooped it and then gave me a meatball, I would be able to. Well, yeah, I mean, they would look different, obviously. But like, put out your hands. If I could ball it up and, like, throw it in a pan, you think you'd know the difference? Yes.

I do. If it's as irrationally confident about it. I do. I just think, again, like, people hate meatloaf, love meatballs. I don't think they're that different. I guess when you put it like that, sure, I will concede they're not that different. that different and people have very strong opinions. In the galactic, in the galaxy

of foods, they're very close. They are both loaves of meat to an extent. They are lumps of meat in different shapes. Ground beef. Actually, I don't know. How do you make a meatloaf? What do you mean how to make it? It's the same way as a

fucking meatball. It's meat with like egg and bread crumbs and spices. You put in the oven. You mix it all up. You put it in like a baking pan. That's what I was asking. Sorry. I've never made a meatloaf. It's how you think of it. There's no secret.

Oh, speaking of names you can yell. Through the generations. Speaking of names, you can yell, mah, meatloaf. We want it. I don't, I'm not even like the biggest meatloaf guy. I just don't think it's that different from the meatloaf guy. I think meatloaf is, that's a very 70s dish. It's a very 60s.

I just think people stop trying to innovate. Like Molly Baz, who is a great cook in L.A., who I really like, I have her cookbook. She has a meatloaf recipe that's different. It's like sausage is incorporated and cheese is incorporated and then you kind of like throw it in the pan and crisp it up a little bit. And I'm like, this is just as good as a meatball. That's, yeah, that's a, okay. Meatloaf has a branding problem.

Yeah. Meatloaf. What should we call it? What should we call it? I don't know. Baked something. Think of it like an Italian name. Well, it's like, is meatball a good name?

It just tastes good so it worked. Yeah, meatballs. It's pretty much a bad name. That's like the man. Jersey doesn't make the man. The man makes the jersey. Meatballs. Yeah.

Meatballs is arguably much worse than meat. Meatballs like Mason Taylor getting 46. Like cheesecake is a shitty name, but it tastes good, so everyone's fine with it. Well. Cheascake is a shitty name? Cheesecake is, I mean, two pretty incredible things. Right. I think in general, cheesecake is a little bit.

It's kind of taking her back for a second there. I don't think it's as bad as meatball. Meatball. Meatball is up there among like the meatball. very common foods we eat that has the worst name ever. Meatballs. Just give me a meatball. I'm going to IKEA to get some meatballs.

The loaf, just, I think loaf is just a bad name. Loaf is a bad word. Yeah. Meat cake. Isn't that something that British people eat? Sounds like something British people would eat. A meat cake. Beef pie.

Yeah, that's what it is. No, no, no. Well, beef pie is real. I would argue that we should take that name and steal it. because those dishes aren't as good as they sound. Help us rebrand meatloaf. Yeah, emails to ring your fantasy football at gmail.com. If you can beat meat cake as a rebrand for meatloaf, let us know.

If you can beat meat cake, the bar is high. So those are emails. You can beat meat cake. If you can beat meat cake. Yikes, you said beat meat. Goodbye, everyone.