The Ringer NFL Show - Rising Star WRs, Aiyuk Vs. the 49ers, and Post-Hype Sleepers

Episode Date: June 19, 2024

LIVE SHOW in Los Angeles on July 30: Click below for tickets! BREAKING: Brandon Aiyuk FaceTimed Jayden Daniels (1:26). Next, the guys fight over the most interesting fantasy wide receivers going into next season and place them into categories, including the hardest player to rank, the hipster pick, post-hype sleepers, and much more (12:51). Plus, emails and “DK, tell us about the war, grandpa!” (56:12). Tickets: https://www.theelrey.com/events/detail/564772 Hardest to rank (13:06) BONK! (17:12) The hipster pick (24:01) Sleepers (35:07) Post-hype sleepers (41:33) The pair of teammates you aren’t sure how to rank (51:13) Check out our 2024 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens and Jack Sanders Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Y'all, it's the Midnight Boys. Poo-Bee-Boo! And we're opening up the kitchen again to talk about the Bears season three, returning to Hulu on June 27th. That's right, the Midnight Boys are taking over Prestige TV. How you feeling, cousin? Cousin! New restaurant, new takes, new ups, new downs, new season. I'm wearing to go, Chuck.

That's what I'm talking about. Make sure you plug in to the Prestige TV feed. Van and I will be talking about every single episode. of the bear. That's June 27th on the Prestige TV feed. Hey, football show. My name is Danny Hithes.

I am joined by Danny Kiley and Craig Horlebeck. We are going through our wide receiver rankings. We're going to give out some awards, basically just, it's just vibes. It's kind of like,

who's hard to rank, who's easy, who are you horny for, who need you, who you're trying to bong people for. But first, I don't even know if this is news, but algorithmic-based gossip,

I don't even know what the term is. But I wanted to, it's all we're talking about right now, guys. It's just the mighty algorithm. Craig and I talked about this, D.K., did you see the video of 49-Rose receiver Brandon Ayuk, hosted a TikTok, face-of-himself FaceTime with Jaden Daniels?

Which was being filmed by Brandon I-Uk's partner-girlfriend was filming Brandon Ayuk, facetaming Jadenylus, which she then put on TikTok. And she called it vlogging in the video, and I was like, you're 25. How do you know what a vlog is? But anyway. And for context, Jaden Daniels, played with Brandon Ayuk back in the day in college.

At Arizona State. Yes. That's like one of those when you see a photo of Abe Lincoln or so, I don't know, you see a photo. Someone you're like, they had that back then. They had a brand and I youth back then in college. It's like Picasso was alive at who was alive?

Wow. Yeah, World War II? What? That's crazy. There's a crazy Cleopatra one. Oh, yeah. That's my favorite. That's my favorite fun effect of all times,

that Cleopatra was born closer to the moon landing than the building of the pyramids. That is insane. Yeah, that's wild. Four thousand years of pharaohs. We should bring them back. Pharaohs? Yeah. I have no thoughts on that.

Says the Jewish person? That's a bold take. Good call. Anyway. Okay. All right. Anyway, we're talking about Brandon Ayuk. So Brandon Ayuk is FaceTiming.

Also, if this is somehow the first episode you're listening to, like this, that whole story is like that, what just happened. So Brandon Ayuk was FaceTiming. Jaden Daniels and he said they don't want me back. And this was ostensibly from a recent phone call. Ostensibly, but who knows? With all the content going on in this video. But the point being,

he was holding up the New York Times from June 17th. We landed on the moon. Yeah. But yeah, so the prologue here is Brandon out of yuk is in the final year of his contract. When they lost the Super Bowl, his brother or whatever immediately started, I think posting Instagram stories about like wanted to go to the Raiders,

like within a day of the loss. And then now, So Brandon Ayuk has very publicly wanted a new contract. And now everyone's gotten one except him. Justin Jefferson, Nico Collins, Jalen Waddle, Devante Smith. He got a shitty contract. Amon Raus St. Brown, all these guys have gotten massive contract extensions, except Brandon Ayuk. And then on top of it, the Niners did not pay him, but they paid Christian McCaffrey $19 million a year.

They gave Joanne Jennings, third in Jaun, like $8 million a year for a two-year deal, have not paid Ayyuk. Now we see this video of Brandon Ayuk saying it. So I'm curious, there's two things. here, which basically, obviously, the Niners could just be playing hardball. It's June. Like, this doesn't really need to get done for like six more weeks, really, if not 10 more weeks. And when he said, well, once,

when he says they don't want me back, that could mean multiple things. But I do wonder, DK, you have studied the draft and the Niners went and took Ricky Peresol, the receiver out of Florida, who ironically also played in Arizona State. Like, it's just

really weird. Yeah. Do you think that the Niners probably want to, back or do you think the 90s might be looking, why would we pay Brandon Ayuk $30 million a year when Ricky Peresol can probably replace you for $3 million a year? Well, I mean, I think that's a big leap is saying that Ricky Pearsall can replace Brandon Iuke. But my take on the situation, my read on the situation is they want to keep either Brandon Ayuk or Tebow Samuel.

Like, it's not necessarily like they think Pearsall can replace Iyuk. I think it's more just like they can't keep all these guys necessarily. long term at the cost that they're bringing right now. So, you know, there was reports that they tried to trade Debo. There's been reports during draft weekend. They tried to trade Ayuk. And I think really what's happening is they just want to keep one of these guys and they're probably just haggling right now.

And there's like no deadlines, like you said. So it's not necessarily going to get finished. As we get further along and closer to training camp, I'm guessing that's like, you know, where they're going to fill the pressure a little bit more and then deals can be done. But right now, it's just kind of a waiting time. He also just genuinely wants a lot of money. He wants like 30 million plus a year. There are only four guys to get that are Justin Jefferson, AJ Brown,

Amonra St. Brown, and Tyree Kill. He wants that kind of money. And again, the guy funding this is Brock Purdy, because I think that among the Brock Purdy, just, of course, what's been lost is that Brock Purdy is, and will probably always be the cheapest starting quarterback ever because he was literally the last pick of the draft and the lower you're picked, the less money you make,

and then the undrafted free agents make more than Brock Purdy. And so Brock Purdy, through, I think, four years, will make less than Dak Prescott does in like two games. Like literally. Brock pretty is like a $4 million contract. Deck Prescott gets like two points something a game. I don't have it in front of me, but like our buddy Scott Barrett from Fantasy Points did a study where it was like EPA.

It was like dollars per EPA or whatever. Yeah, Scott did all the work and then I named it. And Scott did all this work. And I was like, you should call that EPA per pay. And he was like, you're right. But anyway, yeah, Brock Barney. It's like a thousand times. You basically Steve Jobsed him.

Exactly. The Winklevoss twins? Yeah, exactly. You're like, lose the the the just Facebook. It's just Facebook. Yeah. But, yeah, no, so eventually Brock Purdy, because he's eligible for an extension next year,

so they probably are going to have to choose. Wait, wait, hi, Vince, did you see that report that Sam Altman is thinking about turning open AI into a for-profit company? And somebody had the Justin Timberlake meme, and it was like, lose the non. Just your profit. Cleaner.

Sorry. Holy cow. That's really good. Yeah, we should talk about that stuff at some point. Yeah, we got to get into that. Right on the Brennan-I-Yuk conversation. AI coming for a job is they're going to talk about it, have this chickens and porn.

But anyway, I think that no matter what, I think I yuk will be on the Niners this year because I think that any trade return they would have wanted by the draft. And I think that, like, the AJ round deal when the Eagles trade for AJ Brown. They're sending the Titans a first run pick for that year. But like the Niners are so close to winning a Super Bowl and like John Lynch is the

GM. But Kyle Shannon's in charge. Like Kyle Shanahan's one of the five or six coaches that have more power than the GM. And I just, I could be wrong. I do not foresee Kyle Shanahan valuing a draft pick in 2025 more than like one more Super Bowl run with an unhappy Brandon Ayyuk. Yeah. They're trying to win a Super Bowl. Yeah. And so I think that like the Bengals with T. Higgins,

They'd rather like just take a shot and go for it. And then like, all right, if you leave, yeah, whatever. Like, I don't think you're going to maximize some trade return. Like they tried. They're like, all right, we're going to run it back. And if he's unhappy, he's unhappy. And then they get a deal done. They get a deal done.

But I think it's certainly possible that one of these guys, it's probably likely Debo or Iuke is gone this next year. But I don't think that it means they don't want him back. I don't think that's true. Do you think it's possible? IU holds out and doesn't play this year until he gets the contract he wants? No, the NFL owners kind of figured that one out. Like the CVA that they signed.

It makes it very hard to hold out. It's it basically it doesn't work. The only way he can hold out, this is the worry with T. Higgins too, I think, is you get nicked up and then you're like just not going back in. You're not going to play her. You're not going to play banged up. You got, you know, your long-term contract to think about. I think that's like the worry here really is.

If he gets nicked up, is he going to really push to get back on the field right away? Yeah, and the hold in. Earl Thomas invented the hold in, which is I'm going to show up to practice and I have a migraine. and he just, you can't find him because he's there. And he's like, yeah, I can't play. Is that crazy? The interpretation, I think he's going to play this year. And if anything, he might be both more motivated when he's in the game,

less motivated if he gets hurt. Okay. The most important, way more important is, JJ McCarthy, the Vikings first-round quarterback, who has replaced Kirk Cousins in Minnesota, had an Instagram of himself playing at OTAs, captioned it, sports with the guys. Sports with the guys.

D.K., what the fly? Fuck. Speaking of AI, here's the AI rendition of what a quarterback should say. Sports with the guys. I've been trying to tell you guys since before the draft. This guy has massive Russell Wilson energy. Like just a try hard. Like he's sitting out there before the game fucking meditating.

Maybe try meditating like in the locker room when it's quiet. Why do you have to be out by the, you know, in front of all the cameras? He's a corporate quarterback. I feel like he's just like Russell Wilson. Industry plant. Yeah. Yeah, he's been like pre-approved by like the board of like all that. Unilever and everyone's the sponsor.

See, the thing is, is like, this, his comment, or, yeah, his captioned is sports with the guys and then, like, a greater than arrow. That's kind of weirder. There's a world in which this is ironically funny, but we know that because he is him, it's not, right? Like, if Ryan Rissillo posted this, I'd be like, that's hilarious. Like, that is perfectly within Ryan Rissillo's brain. Did he post it?

Did J.J. McCarthy post this? Because Russell Wilson, I would bet millions of dollars does not, like, actually run Instagram. He has people do that. But James McCarthy's like 21 years old. I think he runs his on Instagram. He has to. This just feels like him. I feel so yeah. This is just further confirmation

that he is going down the Russell Wilson road where everyone is just like this is the corniest fucking guy. His bio is just a smiley face. And his profile photo. I kind of respect that actually. It's Yoda sitting under

a tree. What the fuck is That's that? Oh, he's made his profile picture on Instagram is meditating? Is Yoda meditating? You notice how Yoda's by himself in a field? Yeah, Yoda, not a ton of friends. Yoda went to fucking Dagaba and just was living by himself in the swamps.

Well, there's no cameras where they get the photo. Yeah, good question. I feel like J.G. McCarthy's on that path where he's got to be really good or else he's getting tired. 100%. Setting himself up. Put a lot of pressure on himself. Craig, we're going to need you to do one of your patented, like, deep ads on J.J. McCarthy's

Instagram. His story is, is like nature videos. I don't know what to make of this. He's got a picture of himself with a flamingo. It's a plastic flamingo. Oh. No, that's a real flamingo, I think. That's not a real flamingo, dude. He's touching it. He's holding it. He's holding a real flamingo? I feel like it looks real. Maybe it's fake. I don't know.

Dude, that's not a real flamingo. Are you shitting me? It's got like feathers. They're plastic feathers. It's a fake flamingo. Are you like having a stroke? Craig, can you like weigh out on this? There's a lot of detail in the beak. I don't know. This looks like a real fucking flamingo.

I did see flamingos in Africa. Not this close. Craig, every time we talk about anything. Oh, fuck. Do you think you're real? Oh, I'm going to feel so dumb. Why is it? Can you hold a flamingo?

Grateful for this dreamy escape at hashtag Bahamar Resorts with my love. Thanks to the amazing. I think these are real flamingos. Fuck, they're real flamingos? Get the fuck out. I think these are real flamingos. You don't post this if it's fake flamingos. That's not his vibe.

He loves nature, clearly. Oh, no. Their logos are a flamingo. Oh, shit. I think it's a real flamingo. Fuck. What I'm surprised about is the second one just kind of chilling next to him. I could understand if, like, they figured out how to get him close to one, but the other one...

The other one's looking to attack the camera person. Anyway, all right. We've spent too much time on this. Yeah, I know. Sorry, D.K. You're right. They're right. They're right.

All right. Anyway, receiver rankings. We're going through our receiver rankings. they're up at fancyf Football.3.com. And we just, as we're filling this out, we're just like having thoughts. And we're just going to go through them. You know, just like,

just sitting out there, you know, meditating, having thoughts. Just thinking. Yeah. Just thinking. But I just wanted to start with just the one that I like for all these, which is, D.K., who is the hardest player for you to rank as you were going through your wide receivers?

I think for me, it's Stefan Diggs or the Houston Texans, newly minted Houston Texan. I don't know what to do with this guy. What do we do with this guy? because in my mind, there's a world in which he is absolutely league winner. It's ridiculously good. Obviously, he's with C.J. Stroud, one of the best up-and-coming quarterbacks in the NFL. But also, like, it's impossible to ignore some of the stuff, some of the warning signs that we've seen with this guy.

Obviously, he fell off precipitously last year to finish the season. He was outscored by Khalil Shakur over the second half of the year. I mean, again, this is a diva who has now been essentially dumped by two teams. despite being one of the best receivers in the NFL. All right, but he's been, he was, it was in Buffalo for a while. He's been productive. He had a good relationship for a while. He's been productive.

So that's probably, you know, a non-issue at this point. But it's impossible. It never ends well, D.K. It never ends well. It's hard for me to ignore what happened at the end of last year. Maybe that was a schematic thing. Who knows? But also, by the way, he's playing with Tank Dell and Nico Collins.

Like, this is a guy you have to take in like the second or third or fourth round, like, early on in your draft. And I don't know, man, like there's a chance he could just be the third target in this offense, too. You know what I mean? Like, that's the range I see with him is like he could be a league winner or he could be the wide receiver three on his own team. You know what I mean? And so, I don't know. I just don't know what to do with him.

I don't know what to rank him. I think he's going to be a guy I'm probably going to be avoiding just because I don't know what to expect. I do feel like right now most rankings, including ours, have Stefan Diggs and Nico Collins in like the top 25-ish. it does kind of feel like both of them will not finish the season in the top 25. It's going to be just one of them. Like one of them is going to cannibalize the other. Right. It's kind of like a battle of philosophies of if you think it's going to be Diggs or Nico Collins.

And by the way, some people think Tank Dell is the best receiver on this team. You know what I mean? Like there's a world in which Tank Dell is literally just CJ's favorite target. I don't think that many people think that. But I do think one of the people who thinks Tank Dell is the best player in the Texans is Siegeistra. Right. because I think C.J. Stroud is like obsessed with Teng. I think they're like best friends. He was that was the guy who he told the Texans to go get Tank Dell before the draft.

Which I mean, and that sometimes means different things. Like Patrick Holmes texted Brett Veach, the Chiefs, GM, Clyde. And they took Clyde and Edwards Allaire. And that was like pretty abominable pick. But C.J. Strout, when he gave, he is that those great videos with Michael Parsons. And he drew up like a one play for like a fourth and one. And he could pick any players in the 21st century. And he picked like Calvin Johnson, Randy Moffs, and Tank Dell.

Damn. And he was like, yeah, yeah, Tank Dell's going to be in the slot. I was like, all right, cool. I remember seeing something the other day on Twitter. It was like, CJ Stroud saying something nice about Nico Collins just because people were like, you know, you got another guy on your team. You can't just talk about Tank Dell all the time. There's just such a strong romance there.

And someone was like, see, he said something nice about Nico. If you could only have Stefan Diggs or Nico Collins in your fantasy team this year, who are you taking? I think it's got to be Nico just because at the end of the day, Nico is going to be getting better at football and Diggs will eventually be getting worse. And while I wanted to look at Diggs, he's in a contract year and I look at what Mike Evans did

in a contract year and stuff. And I think about how Diggs could be incredible. I do also think, I'm a little worried Diggs was hurt last year. I think it was a combination of a little banged out more than we thought. And also, as D.K. said, like them just having to evolve the offense in Buffalo midseason. And I'm not saying it's like, This is an unfair comparison, but how many receivers have just so precipitously, like, faded into, like, the best players you've ever seen, Julio Jones, you know, just like fades into nothing.

And that's an unfair comparison because his feet didn't work anymore. But, right. Well, how many screws can you get in your feet? I don't know. His feet didn't work. They didn't work. They stopped working, but I don't know. So I'd rather have Nico Collins in Houston.

Next up here, D.K., who is the old six to midnight? Someone that you're just kind of moving up and up in the rankings for. that you need a little bunk. You guys, I can't. It's like you can't rank this guy high enough. You know what I mean? Every time you look at it, you're like, I should be getting a little bit higher.

Drake London, there couldn't be a more drastic and stark difference in situations for any one player, I think, in the NFL, going from what he was in last year to this year. I have a nomination for my next guy. We'll have to battle that out. Okay, okay. That's good.

So anyways, last year, the Falcons were 25th and pastimes for game 31. They were 29th in pass rate. 17 past touchdowns total, which was 26. So, like, this was a terrible, terrible environment to be a wide receiver one. And, like, people overdrafted him. Like, there was too much excitement about it. And the offense ultimately let him down.

That being said, I think he's really good. I think he's a really good player. And if you just look at what the Vikings did last year under Kirk Cousins, I guess we can extrapolate that a little bit. Like, this is a, you know, Ram style offense. I think they're going to be balanced. But still, 37 pass a time. per game last year for the Vikings that was fourth in the NFL,

63% pass rate. Third, 30 pass touchdowns was fourth. This is, he could play exactly the same as he did last year and he could end up being like a league winner because he's just going to have so much more volume, so much more efficiency. He's probably going to score more touchdowns. I think he scored two touchdowns last year. Like that offense was a complete fucking mess. And again, I just think London is a really good player who is now finally in a really

advantageous environment. To me, Drake London has always passed the eye test. Every time, you know, every once in a while when Desmond Ritter's pass made his way to Drake London and it was catchable, Drake London usually did something good. Yeah. So this is just the story of the whole Atlanta Falcons team. You can say this for every player in the team. I'm like, man, I'm really into the nation.

Kyle Pitts, Drake London, Ejan. So I obviously agree with you. But he's getting to the point where his price is so high that like if Drake London, has 1,100 yards and eight touchdowns. He kind of like has to do that for this to pay off. And I feel like if Drake London does that, that's a pretty good year for Drake London. And if he doesn't do that, it's kind of a disappointment based on where you drafted him. We're projecting a lot here, right?

Because we don't really know what Zach Robinson is. He's the new offensive coordinator for the Falcons. Apart from the fact we know he's like a Rams guy, we don't exactly know what the run pass splits are going to be like, et cetera, et cetera. And by the way, we don't know if Cousins is going to be healthy. and if it's even, you know, logical to project what he's done last few years into this year, but he's coming off an Achilles tear. And so, you know, I think there's a lot of projection happening here.

This is, again, we're going to do this with Kyle Pitts, lots of projection. But at the end of the day, like, I just matching the talent with the situation and environment, I'm all over Drake Lennon. And maybe I shouldn't be, but I am. How do you feel about the situation and the environment when Kirk Cousins and Michael Pennings Jr. get hurt and Taylor Heineke's the problem to go back again. God.

Craig, who are you? Don't make me live that. Who are you a little too horny for? Well, I want to challenge DKs. There's no bigger difference between last year and this year than Drake London. I think you actually got me on this one. With Garrett Wilson. Yeah, yeah.

I stand corrected. Sure. Leader of the I have the worst fucking attorneys award, Garrett Wilson. This man. Look, I'm usually pretty wary of skinny guys. He is pretty spin-ly. He's like a bendy straw if he were a wide receiver.

And Garrett Wilson has, first of all, has not missed a game in two years. Garrett Wilson. Knock on wood. Not lock on wood. Travis Kelsey never been hurt in 10 years. God damn it. Garrett Wilson has 315 targets over the last two years, which is fourth in the NFL. Wow.

He has not missed a game. And those targets have primarily come from Zach Wilson, Joe Flacco, Tim Boyle, and Mike White. He has seven career touchdown. and they've all come from Zach Wilson, Joe Flacco, Tim Boyle, and Mike White, and one from Aaron Rogers in the preseason. This poor guy. He has over 1,000 yards in both seasons. Now, he had 95 catches last year on the Jets with Zach Wilson and Mike White and Tim Boyle.

Reports right now, Craig, are he's just tearing up camp too, which is great to hear. And again, the problem with Garrett Wilson is like he's like people's wide receiver seven. Like, he's like going like 12th overall. So the issue is is he basically needs to have like 1,400 yards and 9 touchdowns to pay off which he probably will if Aaron Rogers stays healthy and he stays

healthy. But like every metric about Garrett Wilson is like electric. He's like elite in every single kind of under the radar nerdy category and everybody's going to be on him. I get it. I am too.

But that's kind of where I stand right now. He pretty much can't be ranked higher than he is right now without being like next to Jamar Chase. Did we find out where Aaron Rogers was during the Jets' first mandatory minicam? Was it an ayahuasca retreat? Was that real? I saw that. I saw that.

I don't think it's been confirmed. I also couldn't tell. We're at the point where it takes a lot of energy to figure out if something's a meme or not. I have to give you a take. Uh-oh. And I actually kind of mean this. Okay. I think if Rogers was on an ayahuasca retreat, I'm actually all in on the Jets.

I know, right? MVP coming up. up, maybe. The ayahuasca has gotten a bad rap because he started talking about it when he started playing worse. But what Roger said about the ayahuasca was he did it, I want to say before the 2019 season, like when he did it, he then won two MVPs after he did the Iowca. Yeah, he went nuclear after that.

Yeah. The problem was not he did it. The problem was Roger stopped taking ayahuasca. So if he has gone back to the tree of knowledge or whatever the hell, I actually think that would be the best possible thing. And I totally agree, Craig. I think Garrett Wilson, the difference in Garrett Wilson, Drake London is if Garrett Wilson is the number one

receiving fantasy this year, I wouldn't bat an eyelash. Whereas Drake London being top five, I'd still be like, really him? Aaron Rogers, though, like maybe go on the retreat on June 1st. Why now? It's probably something to do with the alignment of the moons and whatnot, Craig. What's Titan doing? D.K., it probably is based on the alignment. Have you seen his tattoo?

There's got to be something. going on with like the alignment of stars and and sons and whatnot. It's really deep, as Craig would say. But Rogers is officially in spite store territory, which is when you know he's at his best. So you're right. I think we should be in on Aaron this year. I'm back in. I'm totally back in.

All right. The hipster award, which is for the player team thing everyone loves that you don't because it's like, you know, you're all in unhappy. It's like, I'm not. Everyone's coming around. Quick side note on that. Christopher McDonald, the guy who plays shooter McGavin, he's in the show Hacks, and there's a scene where they're playing golf. And he does like a, like a shooter McGavin, like finger gun for a second.

And I loved it. Wait, did he play himself in the show or is he playing a different character in the show? He plays a day. He plays like a Vegas, like, casino mogul guy. We never discussed. They're making a happy Gilmore 2 on Netflix. I know. It's going to be terrible.

I'm so upset. Wait, is he in it? Is shooter in it? I think so. have going on. Yeah. Can you imagine him not being it? He's a regular in hacks.

Oh, I was going to... He's doing the shooter in hacks. He's not going to be... Dude, but Adam Sandler, what do you think the plot is? Oh, God. It's going to be fucking terrible. I'll watch it, though. Yeah.

Yeah. I will watch it sadly, but I'm not happy about it at all. Every fiber of my being hates things like this. Email us at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com if you have a good plot for Happy Gilmore 2. Quick question. Before we move on, what's the line that you say the most? from having a good question. Oh, tap it in.

Tap it in. Well, I'm not. Doug. I feel like that's the look for you. I also feel like Craig had like a year where he said all the time, I hate that fucking clown. Yeah, that's not. That's mine. Damn, you people go back to your shanties, maybe.

I love, you know that Mr. Mista Liddy? I think I just killed her. Get me out of here. Man, that movie's good. It's hard to pick one. It's truly hard to pick so what do you think it is this like happy Gilmore gets like $700 million to go to live just like living in Saudi oh that'd be good I'm sure it's gonna be like there's a young guy coming up that he's either gonna like train or have to compete against I don't

yeah he's gonna be in the chubs Peterson role yeah who do you want Craig who should play that guy it should be will Zalotoris and you should play the caddy who's now become a golfer that's that the caddy's name no it's a actual tautress looks like the Caddy. Have you never seen this guy? I've seen this. Google. Wait, yeah. Yeah.

I forgot about that. He's like literally almost for the U.S. Open that. He has to be in this movie. If Willis Al Torres is not in Happy Gummore, too, I'm going to be pissed. Honestly, that's a great call. He should be the caddy for, yeah. Wow.

Even if it's just like one scene where they're like, oh my God, is that my catty? And he's just like ripping a drive 350. He probably looks more like that kid than that kid does now. Yeah. Anyway, uh, hipster pick. I actually have two of them. Guys that everyone's in on that I'm kind of not. Well, I'm not, Doug.

Look, DJ Moore for the Bears. I know he, like, exploded last year, and it was with Justin Fields then, and now it's with Caleb Williams, which is, you know, theoretically an upgrade. I don't know. I don't know why I feel this way. I don't really have, like, a lot of data to back up my, my negativity. But, like, there's just something holding me back. I don't know what it is.

I'm like, all right, last year, it was like pretty much just DJ Moore. Yeah, that's the thing. Darnel Mooney, who was banged up, and they had, I mean, literally, Coltomet was their tight end. their third wide receiver was Tyler Scott, who had the third most catches with like 17, and then some average running backs. This year it's DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, Roma Dunzei, Colquette, Gerald Everett, and DeAndre Swift. And I'm like, the price on DJ Moore is quite high right now, and I get it. He was amazing last year.

He had like 1,500 yards, and I think he's a great talent. And now rookie quarterback, and I'm like, new OC. I don't know. I don't know if I'm just, I don't know if I'm going to spend that much money on DJ Moore. I know exactly why you feel this way, even if you don't. It's because you literally saw Caleb Williams and Roma Dunesay being friendly on a plane before they were even teammates. And now you're like, wait a second. Stuck in the back to your mind.

And like during their like promo shoots for the season, they did like a Mr. and Mrs. Smith, like back to back thing. Did you see that Roman Caleb? Yeah, they spent all this time together. It's like CJ and Tankdell. They're becoming friends. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if it's like I don't usually love there's a lot of mouths to feed narrative, but there's a lot of mouths to feed. Also, it's one of those

mentally, like, this isn't exactly an analytics math forward mindset, but sometimes it's hard to convince yourself the bears are going to have a good offense. Like, even if it's kind of like, it's decelerating on a golf swing. It's like, you know that you like, they're going to be,

you think they're going to be good, but you're convincing your brain. Oh, yeah, the Bears. Great passing game in December. Well, Justin Fields, it was like, I'm going to run or I'm going to throw it to DJ Moore and that was the entire office. And I just don't feel that like that's going to be the kid.

Like, there's no way DJ Moore has the same amount of targets as last year. actually feel this way about Keenan Allen, unfortunately. Definitely. Because I like, I love Keenan Allen and he's fun. But I feel like stylistically, Herbert and Caleb. Herbert is a rules oriented player. Herbert's like the perfect golden child.

Yeah, he's a people pleaser. He's pleasing the parents. He's doing the rules. He's the teacher's pet. And Caleb Williams, if he has a talent, it's kind of making shit up and like doing whatever he wants. And I'm just a little dubious that Keenan Allen like getting fed from the Herbert.

Like I know Keelan Allen's not as expensive as he was. Like he had like a career year with Herbert last year and he's not as expensive. But I agree. That's kind of a huge theme. And we should probably follow us up in July and August that a lot of these receiver like the bears, the Niners, depending what happens with IU, the Texans, I feel like the new veterans and then the young guys. And it's really kind of tough to figure out how the distribution is going to be. Something has to give.

But the flip side is we always say, oh, season long, but it's really on a week to week basis. that's the hard part is that it's easy to try to project over the season. But one guy gets hurt, one guy gets dinged, and then suddenly, you know what I mean? And then it's like, oh, Dalton Kincaid actually is a shitload of targets the final two months. It's weird. Yeah, I mean, it's like, it's very rare for a rookie quarterback to, you know, sustain a situation that is going to, like, produce even one, like wide receiver one. Except for literally last year. Well, it's rare, I said.

It's not never. But, you know, obviously he could have a CJ Stroud type of year. Caleb Williams could. but, you know, odds are and it's much more realistic to say that he's not, you know, and he's going to have struggles. He's going to throw some picks.

Their offense isn't going to be as good as everyone's expecting. And that means one of these guys is going to be a massive disappointment, if not two or three, you know, when I'm talking about O'Douns, A, Keenan Allen, and T.J. Moore. We'll see you bonk and Craig.

I feel like everybody online is in love with Jameson Williams this year, the receiver for the Lions. he's like the like maybe a top three like sleeper to the moon guy right now and I'm just I'm really not buying it Craig he's fetched he is fetch stuff trying to make it happen yeah it's like the pedigrant I know the whole like oh he's the first round picked three years ago you know he's going to ostensibly start now because Josh Reynolds has gone so it's just going to be a Monarch St. Brown and then Jameson Williams he's had such a weird start to his career and I know it's really nothing to do with his skill but sometimes I think feel like when you start that slow, it is sometimes really hard to to rev it up this late. And he's coming into year three. It's kind of like, I also think, you know, he got drafted three years ago. This will be his third season he's headed into. During that span, like, basically he tore his ACL in college, so he didn't

play a lot in his first year. And then he was suspended for gambling last year to start the season. He missed four games. It was supposed to be six. It was reduced to four. And then he, and he once again had a slow start. But you know when you like take a long vacation or you take like PTO and you come back to work and you're like, man, do they even need me here? I kind of feel like that's what the lines are at. It's like while he was gone, their fourth round was, their fourth round pick of Monarch St. Brown became one of the best receivers in the league and is now making $30 million a year. The tight end they drafted is like a top three tight end overnight.

The running game is like the best one to punch in the league. And now Jameson Williams is just like, hey, remember me? And they're like, oh, yeah, yeah. Like we actually sold the company when you were gone and we're doing great. So I don't know. He's like a fifth most important player in this team. I'm just not buying it. Dude,

I feel like, I feel like Craig is just saying something directly to me because I've been taking a bunch of PTO lately. I've been hanging out, relaxing. No, D.K. Get him a coffin. The pod's doing great because of you, because of your dedication to not,

to not miss episodes. Oh, thank you. Yeah, this is like, this is so true, I think, of just the league in general is, and this is why I've always said it's so, so detrimental

for rookies when they come in to get hurt in the first training camp. Like you can, that really, really can derail your career in a lot of cases. Like, I've seen it happen a million times.

Like a guy gets hurt, pulls a hammy or whatever. And then they just never really get back on that train. They lose the momentum. And the leak leaves you behind. Like, it's so competitive. There's so little edge you have over anybody else,

you know, in the NFL. Everybody's really, really good. And teams can't just wait around for you. Like, they have to, like, go on and figure it out.

And so, yeah, I think there is a chance that James and Williams just never pans out to what he is. And by the way, like, even if he is healthy and playing and getting the snaps, like he's still going to be the third guy, I assume, in this offense. He's still going to be, I think, mainly sort of like... Probably fourth, to be honest.

DeAndre Swift is probably going to catch more passes than James and Williams. Montgomery and Gibbs. Oh, sorry, not so Gibbs. It's right. The NFC North incest where David Montgomery was on the Bears on the Lions and Swift was on the Lions and now he's on the Bears and I mean honestly that's true like how surprising would it be if Gibbs has more targets than James and Williams this year I agree with everything you're saying because Jameson Williams I think if there is a team that I actually do think

the team is not moving on from him like they're actually like they left job they let Josh Reynolds leave to Denver I think a lot of people that was very surprising because the lions really need that outside batter receiver and I think the Lions have showed with a lot of other positions at linebacker and other spots in their team that they're very very patient to let young players be on the and make mistakes. And a lot of teams say they'll do that, but when the teams guys make mistakes, they're like,

oh, fuck that guy and they pull them off the field. The lions let guys play. And I think that the lions are like, as much as Dan Campbell says, he's a meathead, weirdly oriented to like let guys develop. And I think they're going to give Jameson the role. But then I think you guys also hit the nail on the head

because is he just like a really fast, sick fourth receiver? Right. He's kind of like a role player in their offense. Yeah. Is it like, how different is he the MVS? And I know that's like probably horrible.

and I know he's better than I guess. I know that. But I know that. I mean, he did drop some pretty bad passes this last year. He was better in the playoffs. He's fast as hell. I think people are hanging on to like a few plays he's made. And then obviously they're hanging on to like the pre-draft analysis, right?

Like he was electric for Alabama. And he like had that, he had that end around where he looked like the fastest human being on earth. That I think is driving the narrative more than like the real, if you're being dispassion about it. like he's going to be the third or fourth guy in this offense, like maybe at best. Sleepers, D.K. I think right now there is a, people are kind of feeling negative about like the Drake May situation. Like he's going to New England where, you know, they were a terrible, terrible offense last

year. You know, Drake May is surrounded by a lot of guys that are young and inexperienced. And right now, I think even through training camp, he was like running with the twos and three as Drake May was. So I think people are really down on the Patriots. offense. But I think that gives you an opportunity to potentially get some value if Drake May comes in is the starter, which I think he will end up being sooner than later. I think, even if he doesn't start week one, I think he's going to take over pretty early in the season.

He's the number three pick. Like, guys that are the number three pick do not generally speaking, like sit for very long. And so. Unless you're Trey Lance, in which case you've only sat. True, true. But again, he was like famously the least experienced number three pick of all time. And so I don't know. I like Drake May. I think Drake May is extremely talented. Everything that I've heard coming out of Patriots camp is that he's been really,

really good. He's been really impressing them. Like they like him a lot. And I think there's a chance here to get some value based on the fact that people think this Patriots offense is going to suck. So the guys I'm looking at here for a receiver are DeMario Douglas, Pop Douglas, who is, I think, going to be their starting slot receiver. And then Jalen Polk, who is the second round pick, you know, early second round pick for

the Patriots. I think both guys have a chance to come in and be, you know, much, like much, much better than anyone is expecting right now. And so what I read something the other day that DeMario Douglas is like the best player in Patriots camp so far. Like he's just been catching everything. And so I just like those two guys as like last round dart throws for an offense that might be a lot better than people think. Yeah, I mean, to your point, they're not just people think they'll be bad. They're literally projected based on like wind totals. The Vegas has wind totals and point over under points.

for every game of the season. And the Patriots are projected for the fewest points in the NFL the season. So you're basically saying, but we said that about the Texans last year. So if you think the Patriots, if you think Drake May could be CJ's drought,

then I think that this is a great call. Probably the cheapest wide receiver room in fantasy football, right? Yeah, it's kind of like, knock a lie, DK, you sound a little nuts, but not a fraction as nuts as you would have sounded talking about the Texans last year. And that's like the best possible thing

you could have done is drafted all the Texans. Yeah. Well, it costs, the other thing is like, it costs nothing for these guys. either. It's just, I'm just betting that

Drake May is going to be better than people are thinking he's going to be like, I think most people think it's going to be Jacoby Reset as a starter. Yeah.

Craig, sleeper. I'm doing it. It's Josh Palmer season once again. Get the fuck out of here. On the ranger fantasy football show. Let me ask you guys a question.

How old does it feel like Josh Palmer is? 28. 25, 26. He's 24. It 100% feels like he's 28. Somehow, Josh Palmer has been in the league for only three years.

It's because you've talked about him for every day. It feels like a lifetime. When you're this in love, it feels like a lifetime. Time stops moving, you know? I'm going to toss in like Ladd-McConkie to this because I love Ladd as well. But my point in general is like, I'm, the pendulum has swung pretty far into like ignore charges wide receivers because Harbaugh is going to run the ball so much. It's like, man, they still have Justin Herbert.

The offensive line is better. They just drafted Joe Alt. Like, they're going to throw the ball a little bit. and I just want Josh Palmer on my team. You can get this guy outside the top 120 right now. He's probably going to be the number one receiver on this team, unless Ladd really takes off. I mean, they have Ladd-McConkie, Quentin Johnston,

Darius Davis, DJ Chark, and Josh Palmer. And if you look at last year, Josh Palmer is just a guy who delivers every single time you need him. When Mike Williams and Keenan Allen were out, he averaged over 11 points a game. When just Mike Williams is out, and he was playing side-by-side with Keenan Allen, he averaged over 10 points a game.

when he was playing without Justin Herbert. He averaged over 10 points a game. Like the guy is on the field and delivers, and his ADP is actually lower right now than his ranking was last year when he was playing with Keenan Allen. He was like the wider seeer of 52 with Keenan Allen, and you can get him right now as like wide receiver 56, which makes no sense.

Josh Palmer's going to have like 800 yards this year. Can I paint the scenario for you? Sure. You know that feeling when you're like washing your player that you need on Cylinaida football and your hope and the offense throws the ball to him? And you know that feeling of when you're watching, watching a team that's like so bad that you're not bad but just you're like first they have to like

pass the ball it is week 14 week 14 trying to get in the fantasy playoffs uh Craig has Josh Palmer in his flex it is the LHR the LAA chargers are at the Kansas City Chiefs on Sunday night football Josh Palmer's there and he is just desperately hoping that Josh Palmer can score a touchdown and then actually what happens is that John Jim Harbaugh has decided that the way to beat the Kansas City Chiefs is going to be, have 39 minutes of time of possession, run the ball 45 times, and they do not run the ball once in the fourth quarter. So they do not throw the ball once in the fourth quarter and the charges win the game. And the charges win.

And we call Jim Harbaal loser. And Josh Palmer finishes with 3.8 fantasy points. Look, that's an incredibly specific scenario. I was going to say, like, wow, this is, can I bake up another scenario that's more fun? Like, while we're on the, while we're doing that, like, I'll say, how about that? Like he passes to, he scores three touchdowns in that game. Yeah, let me, let me pick you this scenario. It's week 14.

They're playing the Chiefs. Mahomes marches down for two straight drives and they're down 14.0. 7 minutes into the game and they have to throw 45 times in Justin Herbert. And Josh Palmer's 130 yards and two touchdowns. All right. We'll see. We'll see who wins. Cool.

Yeah, this is a really cool scenario building. Let's keep doing this. Like, look, I think Lad's awesome. I'm a huge fan of his, but like you can get Josh Palmer twice, twice as late. Like, you know, double, double the pitch. I don't know how to say that. I think I get it. Twice as late.

How would you say that? How do you say that? You can get them double the double. Doubly later. Doubly later. Twice the distance away. Yeah. I understand what you're saying.

I don't know. But like say it correctly for me. Like how do you say that? Twice as late. Half the cost. Oh, there we go. No, that's not really right because it's not equal. Right.

Half. Yeah. We don't know. Email us. Please. We don't know how to talk. I think we've established that. Tell us how to speak.

Yeah, I have post type sleeper, which I just think Jahan Dotson, receiver from Washington. And he's like the definition of a post-sleeper. He was incredible as a rookie in 2022. Oh, fine. You like Josh Palmer? You're like Jahan Dotson? Josh Palmer has had a better career than Jahan Dotson.

Like, period. Carry on. I don't know that for sure, but I feel like it's... I don't think that's... Oh, I love John Doss. I thought we were all in on him. Dotson. Dotson was like one of the worst...

picks in fantasy last year. That's why it's called a post-type sleeper, DK. It's like the fucking definition. Well, I know, but I'm saying, like, his target rate and, like, what he did, the amount of fucking routes he ran for what he scored is, like, abominable. But he had a lot of hype going into last year because he had a good rookie season. I'm not arguing that he is, that he's not a post-type sleeper. I'm just like, eh, I don't want to be.

But the definition of me of a post-type sleeper is some people have to feel like DK. Otherwise, they wouldn't be a post-type sleeper. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, and so like basically he looked incredible as a rookie first round pick 2022, four touchdowns first four games. And then he tweaked to Sam String. So he missed a lot of time. But the games he played that year,

he had the speed on slants to like take it to the house. And he had like a lot of like like acceleration yards after the catch touchdowns. But he also looked like a baby D'Andre Hopkins on jump balls. It looked fantastic. And last year was as Dika said. And people loves him last year. Total abomination. And honestly,

I'm just throwing it. He was terrible. Like I won't even pretend. He was awful. And I'm just throwing it out. Eric Bienemy did not connect to the players. Frankly, a lot of players in Washington's offense hated Eric B. Enemy.

And not going to lie, like when you watch an offense where Sam Howell was sacked more times than any quarterback since David Carr on the expansion Texans, I get how maybe that wasn't the most well-designed offense. Ron Rivera was a lame duck head coach because he was Dan Snyder's guy and the new ownership didn't come in in time to replace Ron Rivera. The whole thing was fucked.

And I'm basically just throwing out that season. Like literally it's like, yeah, Ron Rivera, lame duck coach with Eric Bienerie just trying to, run this offense and it went into oblivion and Sam Howell taking 65 sacks, dump it. Like he has, Jaden Daniels, won the Hysman, Cliff Kingsbury, who I have my doubts about Cliff Kingsbury as well. But I look at Dotson and he's the 64th receiver. And like going on like if you look at like underdog ADP at receipt, like 64 receivers.

I don't think there's 64 receivers better. I couldn't agree more. High Fitz. I think Dotson's awesome. I thought he completely, I haven't sold a cent of my stock. It's a completely new situation. and he was so good his rookie season. Every, like, every deep ball, every intangible,

he just seemed like a guy who knew how to play football in the NFL, like, immediately. And I'm throwing out last year like you did. Any other post-type sleepers? Curtis Samuel. The guy that... Curtis Samuel is a guy that we've all loved. When was the hype? Oh, I feel like he's been, like, a guy that we've called a sleeper.

Five years ago? We've called him a sleeper, like, every season. Better than Josh Palmer. How old do you think Curtis Samuel is? Oh, he's like 28, 29. 29. Yeah. it's like 24.

I saw Greg Rosenthal dropped that on me the other day. It blew my mind. But yeah, Curtis Samuel was 27 years old. Is that right? Yeah, isn't that insane? He's one of those guys

that came into league super young. He's another guy that I think like people have always liked his talent. He's got that dual threat skill set. He can be a little bit of a running back. He can be a little bit of a receiver. And by the way, like last year I remember being a Jahan Dotson believer

and every time I thought Jahan Donson was going to score a touchdown. I'm like, oh, who was that? Oh, no, it's Curtis Samuel, not Dodson. You know, like, every, like, he was, like, literally better than John Dotson was last year. And now he's on the bills. The bills, receiver core is absolutely thrown in flux. We don't exactly know how it's going to be. You know, I think Dalton Kincaid is probably going to be the de facto number one in this offense.

He's the tight end. And then the receiver group, we've got Khalil Shakur. We've got rookie Keon Coleman, who could, you know, he's relatively raw. He could take a while to get really integrated. into the offense. You know, Shakur already got hurt in training camp. I don't know. It doesn't sound like it's serious, but that's, again,

never a good thing when you're getting hurt in training camp. You're missing valuable reps. Like, there's a world in which Curtis Samuel emerges as like the de facto number one receiver on this team. By the way, a couple years ago in 2000, when he was with Joe Brady with the Panthers, he had a career year, 850 receiving yards, 200 rushing yards. They were playing him all over the formation. You know, the coaches for the bills came out today or this weekend.

and was talking about how Curtis Samuel can play all three positions, outside slot, the Z. He can also line up in the backfield. I just think there's really a lot of potential here. Again, he's not like an expensive, you know, traffic by any means. So I'm just taking stabs on him late in drafts because I think he's good and I think he's in an offense with a lot of opportunity. I like the idea of taking stabs at Buffalo's offense because we don't exactly know how things are going to shake out. And when there's an uncertain backfield with running backs or an uncertain receiving group, especially with like a good proven team, usually there's some value there. What's the word for when you think your player has, like, you think your fantasy player has scored a touchdown?

You're watching like the quad box or whatever. You're watching multiple boxes at one time. And you're like, it's so small. You're not really sure. And you're like, oh, yes, John Dotson. That's it. I did it. Oh, no.

That's, who's number, whatever he is, number four? Deja-hoo or doppel scorer. That's good, actually. I just remember so many times last year, I was like, who's number four? Why is he scoring? But what is he doing? Deep faked? Yeah.

Yeah. I knew that was bad. I knew that Sequan was really hurt a couple years ago. Oh, yes. When I kept thinking Sequan was scoring and it was getting great first downs and it was Wayne Galman. That's the ultimate example. And I, like, other Giants fans also confused him with Wayne Goldman. And I was like, he's lost the first.

Is there a bigger gap, bigger gap in name coolness than Seekwan Barkley to Wayne Coleman? Yeah. Wayne Coleman. Wayne Galman. Wayne Galman. baby. Hi, Wayne. Craig, post-type sleeper.

I don't know if I'm fully in on this, but I was thinking about it. Deonté Johnson on the Panthers now. Yeah. So I just almost spontaneously vomited. Look, I think Deontes, I don't know, I just think Deontes really, really good. And he's had one of the weirdest careers you could ever have as a wide receiver. He basically was like had two solid years of Ben Rathesberger. And then had his like third year breakout as Ben was declining.

And he had like over 100,000 yards and was great. but then I went to shit the next year because a new regime came in. He had 147 targets and zero touchdowns. Remember that year? Yeah, we joked before the season he would lead the league in targets and score notes to scores.

And then we were like... Yeah, he was like third in the league in targets had no touchdowns. Then last year was an absolute debacle. And now he's 28 years old and he's on the Panthers. And I'm like, I know Deonté Johnson is good. All the metrics of like him against man.

Like, he is really shifting a great player. And I think maybe he, he's just being under value right now. He is going to be the number one guy. He's going to be the X wide receiver for the Panthers. And they have Dave Canales in there who last year was the guy calling plays with Baker Mayfield who completely revived his career. The year before that, Dave Canales was in Seattle and he completely revived Gino Smith's

career. And so I'm seeing a pattern here. Seeing a pattern here. Also, Dave Canal is pretty hot. Same with his OC. Who's the Brad Idzik, who he's been with for the last five years. Pretty hot guys, the two of them. The hot factor.

A lot going on there with Dave. What do you mean? We'll have to get him at that time. Well, he wrote a book about how he overcame a porn addiction or something like that. I don't know. Isn't that? Is that right? Yeah, that's true.

I actually did not look deeply into this, but I ever seen like a headline. That's really impressive. So he's obviously got a really strong mental fortitude. Strong will. He was able to overcome porn. But I'm just like, look, a panther's offensive line is going to be better. Deontad Johnson is once again going to get a lot of targets. And Dave Canales has revived two struggling quarterbacks and two kind of

weird offenses. So I don't know. I'm just like, is there something there? Craig, you really want to get back on the Deontay Johnson experience, TM,

like trademark? Oh, no, he just tore his ACL every five minutes. Every week. I don't think there's a player in the NFL that the three of us

have texted more about because every fucking week he like is writhing in pain on the ground. D.K., I've recently learned how like when toddlers fall and start crying,

you're not supposed to like give them a total attention. You're supposed to teach them. Like when Deonti Johnson, like, gets hurt, the trainers need to kind of just stand around and not. This is what I do with Calvin. I'm always like, dust it off, dust it off. You know, like you dust off your hands and you get back out there. Did you guys ever see mall rats?

I actually have not. Oh, yeah, great movie. Great. There's a singer I love named Mulrat. Okay. Well, anyways, in the movie, there's a, there's a scene where I think Jason Lee is the main character. He's like, that kid, that kid is back on the escalation. again. He's really mad at the parents for letting the kid play on the escalator. That's like how I feel about Deontad Johnson. That guy, he's hurt again. What is he doing? Every, every freaking Sunday, Craig, this is the experience you want to have. I think, I think Deonti Johnson, I like this point, Craig. I think you're right about everything. I would just give the caveat that the one thing you have to know is that you're right. Deonton Johnson will get all these targets. He'll be the number guy in Carolina. He might be the number two, number three guy too. We have to know is you'll, you can never like watch him play football.

Like you can't like not just him. I like watching him. But you can't watch the Panthers. And so you'll take him and he's the ultimate like don't watch the game. Just check the box score and he had 11 catches. And you're like sick. I'm just hoping Canales like Pulp Fiction EpiPens, Bryce Young like he did, Baker and Gino. Now the tuxedos are kind of fucked up, which is that teammates, you're, you're on shirt

at a rank. I know we already discussed basically Houston and a bunch of, in Buffalo and a bunch of other team. Any of the teams that are sticking out to you, but we don't know what to do with these guys? I mean, this is something that I've talked about multiple times already this offseason, but like, what do we do with this Packers' offense, this Packers receiver group? We got Jaden Reed, Christian Watson, Romeo Dubs, Don Tavia and Wix has gotten some hype. I don't know what to do with any of these guys. I feel like I just want no part of this receiver group at all.

Even though there's a good chance, like one of them emerges as really, really good. To me, each of these guys sort of embodies the idea of better in best ball like Chris Watson's going to go off one game Jane Reed's going to go off the next game Romeo Debs is going to go off the next game D'Otavian Wicks is going to go off the next game they're going to run the hell out of the ball the next game

and none of these guys are going to do it I'm afraid of what this experience is going to be like with this offense because they have so many good young players there's just not going to be any consistency with any of them I feel like and you know maybe they even like rotate these guys

and none of them play a full complement of snaps I'm just worried with what's going on with the Packers. offense. Even though I think all these guys are very talented, I actually really like all of them. I just think the situation is going to make you pretty frustrating. The only nice thing about, I agree. The only nice thing about them, though, is none of them are really expensive. True. You can get pretty much any one of them rather cheap. So if you, I like, I like love Jaden Reed. And if you want Jaden Reed, you can get him like 80th overall.

So luckily you're not having to like, this isn't like a Cooper Cup, Pooka Nakuwa situation. True. Or Stefan Diggs, Nico Collins, where you're going to take this guy top 20, top 30. I think I have three thoughts in the Packers, Gros. group. I think Jaden Reed is the best one of this group and that the splits look weirder on paper because there was a couple games who's hurt for that make it look like there was a rotation at the end of the season. There was not. Like he just wasn't hell. I think when he's healthy,

Jade Reed plays and he's the best one. I think Donovan Wicks is actually the second best player. I think Don't Tavent Wicks six-rounder. I think Don't Tavent Wicks is incredible. And if you watch Packers games, I just think Dante Wix is out of control. The one thing I'll say Christian Watson had the Alvin Camara. Christian Watson. The leg thing. The hamstring stuff.

Christian Watson got his legs checked and he had like a seven pound Camara imbalance. You got the heavy leg syndrome. Which, dude, we got, what the fuck, man? You guys, I did a body composition thing. It's like, now that I'm getting older, we're trying to, my doctor and I are like, this is something that you say when you're trying to sustain your career. Something you say when you get older is my doctor and I. Was this before after you've Googled how old you are?

I was telling these guys before the show that I had to Google, like literally this morning, I was like, fuck, how old am I? I had to Google how old am I? Like, if you look at my Google history, that's the most embarrassing thing. But what do you mean you Googled how old am I? How does Google how old are you? How does Google know how old are you? Google brings you the date thing where you put in your birthday and it tells you how old you are. I couldn't remember how old I was.

This is what happens when you get old is like the years start to blend together and you're like, I don't think about my age, what age I am specifically anymore. You've given up on your own age. Anyway, so my doctor and I were talking and we want to get like a baseline, like look at how my body is and like the idea is eventually you want to have more muscle than fat, blah, blah, blah. But I did a body composition thing. My left arm weighs less than my right arm, which I think is an interesting thing.

By how much? Well, that makes sense because you're probably right-handed. Right hand dominant and you're like you're, or I should say like you're my right hand has more muscle than my left arm. Yeah. So anyways. So I got like this is a pretty elite transition into how it tells us about the is that going to help you like sustain your health by just like like I feel like one arm

being a little bit heavier than the other is not like top 100 on the things I'd be worried about. No, no, no. That was just a quirky detail that I was like, oh, that's funny. The idea is for all you old dads out there that are my age, generation. The way that my doctor posited it is essentially like you need to look at your musket like your muscle the amount of muscle you have in your body as like you're you're putting money into a 401k as you get older because the older that you get you can't build muscle. So you need to build as much muscle now.

So eventually like your your muscles are going to atrophy because you're just not able to do as much like weightlifting or whatever. And like muscle is super important when you get older because it helps you get around. And if you like fall, when you get older, having muscle. So it's like so much harder to heal if you don't have that muscle mass.

So anyway, so he's like saying like, every workout you do is like, hey, deposit into your 401k. This is what happens when you get old. You have to think like this. It's fucking weird.

So anyways, that's why we did the body composition thing, but I just thought that was interesting. Super random tangent. Sorry. No, it's a perfect transition. So we had Kevin email in a potential intro

for tell us about the war grandpa. Which if you're just joining us is a segment where D.K. who you just previously heard has no idea how old he is kind of tells us about the before times. I was like in the ballpark,

you know. That's not a war story. I'll tell you a war story. I was on PT109 with John F. Kennedy. I was the first to discover his terrible secret. H.B. 9.

Bellina. He's a Nazi. Get him. That's not a war. story. It's in the running. So yeah, email and your fantasy football

at jimmel.com and tell us about other potential interest to tell us about the war grandpa. But we got an email here from Hal. Howl. The subject is

landlines were insane. Okay. It is true. I am 40 years old. Landlines were crazy. You could have your number crossed with someone else's. What?

I was hope. I don't remember that. I was hoping you would know what the fuck that meant, DK. Imagine calling someone getting an entirely different person.

Occasionally. could hear other conversations on the line. Oh, I kind of remember this, yeah. I can remember it. It's like very, very softly. You could like hear other conversations in the background. What? Are you kidding me?

It's like the lines touched. Could you speak to them or could you only hear them? No, you could like hear it. You could like listen in a little. Could they hear you or is that not how that worked? I don't know. I don't remember. I can't remember my age.

I can't remember. All right. So, Howe keeps running. In rural areas, multiple houses would have the same number. But each household had a slightly different ring. I don't remember that. Dude, I don't, this is like wild. And houses, I once called a friend in high school to talk about a party someone was

throwing. And 20 minutes into the conversation, I realized I was actually talking to my friend's older brother. And that my friend's older brother thought that I was my older brother. Jesus. I feel like we're like over. stating how bad it was back then. Come on. I don't know, man. I wasn't there.

I always thought it was insane that you could get on a phone and like talk to someone in freaking Europe or Asia and it would like be instantaneous and you're in the the signal's like going on a line. Like it's literally physically

traveling down a line that like goes over the ocean or whatever. It's like that to me was like the fucking wild thing. Now it's got to go to a satellite. I have to tell my parents that. My mom or dad will Google something and they're just like, oh my God, why is this taking so long? I'm like, it's going to fucking space. Give it a second. Nowadays, crossing the landlines is like when you accidentally

connect to somebody else's Bluetooth. Dude, by the way, I watched a video on how Bluetooth works. One of the most complicated things I've ever seen in my life. Okay. Is it? I thought it was just like radio waves. I'll send you the video. It is, it's all about like how your phone knows to connect to your headphones and not the headphones of the headphones of the. the guy sitting next to you. Oh, right. And also so you can't get hacked while you're listening. So, like, somebody can't, like, penetrate your channel.

It is, it's basically, like, constantly changing the code that your phone uses to connect to your earbuds. It's crazy. Mako I have never thought about that my entire life. I think that sounds wild. Crossing of the lines that, that Hal is talking about is, like, air dropping someone, some random person, like a picture. Dude, that's like a fun.

Sometimes people will do that like on an airplane. Just like send it out to whoever. Or like, oh, you know, like, a party. Yeah. People used to do that at parties. You would just like send photos to whoever was there. It was like a funny bit. It's like, some people.

Dangerous. All right. Got multiple emails about vasectomies. Good. That has really persisted. Like, we've been talking about vasectomies for years on this show. And it's kind of made a research. For years.

We're going to have to build a new wing on the Hall of Fame. Justin, Tim, John, and Stephen all sent in the vasectomy stories. Wow. Thank you. Fellas. I'm just going to say fellas. The boys. One of them just said, I think Stephen said,

just had a nervous shit while waiting for my vasectomy while listening to your show, which I guess that's two drinks, I guess. One for nervous shits and one for the vasectomy. That's awesome. And then John wrote this email saying he didn't bring headphones. And the doctor asked what music he wanted. And John was unprepared for this question. So he's just said, whatever is fine.

And the doctor put on like a global top 40. pop station. And then he's like smelling like, you know, burning, you know, lasers. Right. And Iggy Azaleas fancy comes on. Is this a long time ago? Yeah, this was years ago. And he's like, and she's like, I'm so, I don't make me sing.

But, you know, she's singing fucking. I'm so fancy. Yeah. And he's like, I didn't feel fancy at all. You already know. That's good. But. The real legend and the person truly going in the Hall of Fame is Cat.

Cat. Cat writes not trying to one up any of the vasectomy guys. But I wanted to let you know that my husband and I listened to your podcast at the hospital while I was in. Wow. Whoa. That's amazing. Wait, were you in on this cat? Like you wanted this?

Yeah. Well, she says, if you read this on the show, please shout up my husband, Adam, who introduced me to your pod. Greatest dad or her daughter has done everything for both of us since the delivery. He's the real flex. It's cute. But Kat writes, I had an induction that took three days. And as it turns out,

for the most part, early labor is incredibly boring. So thanks for giving us an hour of entertainment. Also, thank you so much. DK, the tip about Misty Mountains is a lifesaver with a newborn. The gift that keeps on giving.

Oh, my God. The first night back from the hospital, we listened to it on repeat for multiple hours. Our daughter is only three weeks old. But if I never play Misty Mountains ever again, I'm pretty confident. It will still be the number one song on my Spotify rap this year. Hell yeah. Wow.

It was number one of my rap, I think, for like the first three years of Calvin's life, at least the first two years of Calvin's life. Yeah, that's awesome. That's awesome to hear. The biggest thing that I give, like the biggest piece of advice I give to any, like soon-to-be father or whatever is go read about how to sue the baby when they're crying. Like, it's truly the most important thing. For everybody out there that's having their first baby, all the dudes out there,

like that's the biggest thing that you can do is, is when the baby starts crying, you can jump into action, actually do something because, spoiler, like the mother is much more important early on in a baby's life. So yeah, that's awesome. And obviously when they're crying, it's very stressful. It's hard to get them to stop crying a lot of times. So Missy Mountains. I like the five S's so look that up.

It's like the, what is it called? It's called Happiest Baby on the Block. Dodged up, Dick, Dive. Yeah, yeah. It's all the different ways that baby, that you can sue the crying baby and get them stop crying. It's obviously very important early on. I love the idea of a doctor, like, walking into the room.

They're listening to the three of us talk about, like, how many different types of, like, urine there are, how urine can be described. Baby, the first thing is a baby comes into the world. And we're talking about. I can't, dude, that's wild. During, during labor. That's up there

That's up there on like the list of places You can listen to our show Email us if you can one up that Yeah That's gonna be tough Shout out Kat Congratulations And yeah email us

If anyone's child came into the world While we were talking about like Gentleman's Piss Glob Anyone has made love To the sounds of our podcast Less no Made love What are the kids fucking on

Or just fucked You know Love doesn't have to be involved The only way it would be was if it accidentally came on and they were already too deep in there like, true it. Let's just keep going. Not getting up. It's just on the

Bluetooth. Ah, fuck. Leave it. The phones across the room. Yeah. I mean, shit, we're on porn. Yeah, exactly. Series, stop podcast. Series stop podcast. Yeah, actually also on that note, the porn intro, and if you don't know what the hell we're talking

about, apparently our intro music, which I think rips, our intro music slaps was used in a porn porn video and Kevin Not only does it slap

but also claps It slaps, claps the whole the whole thing bangs But the Kevin Christian and Tom

have since followed up to say that they have also seen the video In the wild All right guys You didn't need to let us know that I know

I want to know Now we know Now we know what Our demo is watching Is it the same video Or are there multiple videos? I don't know.

And I think we're going to have to do some investigations, Craig. Hyvitz is like, sorry, babe. Once again. It's for work. Got to investigate. Can I give you guys one quick detour of a conversation here? Please. Please.

I recently was having a conversation with my sister-in-law, who is an avid reader. And she loves going to the library. She has a library card. Yeah. I'm realizing that I didn't know how libraries work. and I'm I think I've been so like like what's good I've been so like subscription streamer brained that she was like oh I read the new um uh keenan Thompson who wrote a biography and she read it and I was like oh how did you read it and she was like oh I got it at the library and I was like

that's a new book it just came out right recently she's like yeah and I was like how much you have to pay she was like nothing and I was like when do you have to return the book she's like She's like, whenever. And I was like, okay, like, did you have to go pick up the physical copy? And she's like, no, I can read it on my Kindle. And I was like, so the book is free. You can return it whenever you want and it's new. She's like, yes.

And I was like, I don't understand. Today Craig learned about libraries. I'm like, you can just go get any book you want and it's free and you can give it back whenever. she's like, yes. Libraries are the coolest thing in the world. I genuinely don't get it. Why do people buy books? I think, correct me if I'm wrong out there.

I know they don't have everything, but I'm like, there's a limited number of copies. They have a limited number of licenses that they can like share. It's not like if the new Harry Potter came out. There's a ton of books that like, I don't know, George R. Martin finished Game of Thrones. And that would be like the most requested book in the world. like they only

because the libraries will buy a certain amount of copies from Keenan Thompson and put it in a library. Exactly. And so the digital thing is the same thing. So they probably only have like five. So if she never gives the Keenan Thompson

digital Kindle thing back off, then no one, then someone's in the queue to get it next. I'm surprised there's no limit because with physical books, you have like a certain. No, there is a limit. No, no.

I'm surprised there's no limit on when you can return it because in my experience at libraries you have like a due date when you got to bring it back. And that's where, the fees come in. If you don't return it on time, you start getting fine. Maybe it wasn't she can return it whenever. Maybe I asked how many can you rent at a time? She said as many as I want. I can't remember which one. Also, I mean, yeah, I mean, maybe they just can't collect. I don't know.

I'm just, I'm just like, hey, Craig's almost 30. Today, he learned about how libraries were. Email us at Viguerfancy Football at Gmail.com if your thoughts on how libraries are. I'm just so used to being like, hey, this content is not free. Like, you need to do something to a this content or you have to watch ads or something. Like the fact that you can just go get anything you want, read it at your leisure and then return it. It's all free. Blue my mind. You don't even have to go in? It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. All you got to do is sign up for a library card, Craig. Yep. That's it. It's like, it's what taxpayers are paying for. And I was like, this is crazy. It's pretty cool. Yeah, it is. I'm going to get a library card.

Did you never go to a library when you're a kid? Yes, I definitely did. But I wasn't, you know, I don't know. I wasn't thinking about how that. really work. The Kindle thing is a game changer for libraries. Not having to go and get a physical book. Like having an online Kindle connected library card is an absolute game changer. So anyway. All right.

Libraries. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Kaya for producing this episode. Thank you libraries.

Was it Andrew Carnegie who did, who created our life, like, in front, I think he like invested in a library system. I don't shout out libraries. Craig, Craig,

do you know? I don't know that. Shout on Liberians. Shout on Ms. Colossi, who was my elementary school librarian. Thank you, Lorne. Lauren. Thank you, Julio Iglesias. Is that how you say it?

Enrique Iglesias? Enrique Iglesias. Well, Julio is also one, but I was thinking Enrique. Yes. Julio Iglesias is a artist. Maybe was Enrique's dad. I don't know. Spanish singer, songwriter, and former soccer player.

It is Enrique's father. There we go. He is a family. Shouts to the whole Iglesias family. Wow. They're really doing a lot. They're a talented bunch. I did, Craig, I did be an Enrique, though.

I can't be your hero, baby. By the way, it was Andrew Carnegie, who gave millions to establish more than 1,600 libraries in the U.S. When I was a kid and I read that, I was like, that's so cool. He, like, wanted me to read. And now I'm an adult. He probably, like, wanted to pay less taxes or some shit. I mean, back then, those people, they literally, like, couldn't spend money fast enough. They were making so much money.

They, like, could. They were in case. of giving away all their money. It's like so much money. Must be nice. The Seahawks like because Jody Allen inherited the Seahawks and it's like because Paul Allen passed and he's the first guy's like the mega billionaires son that 99% give a give pledge. But he's the first one that actually died.

And so it's like the most complicated estate to deal with since like those guys died like Carnegie. And like it's crazy. This isn't as fun as we usually. Talking about library. Let's talk about it. The States taxes. Goodbye, everyone. Must be 21 plus and present in select states.

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