The Ringer NFL Show - Riskiest First-Round Draft Prospects, Ty Simpson Media Hype, Logan Paul Sacked Jalen Hurts in Flag Football, and Candle Scent or Celeb Baby Name

Episode Date: March 25, 2026

The guys break down the riskiest boom-or-bust players in the 2026 NFL draft, from high-upside receivers to major question marks at quarterback. They also dive into the Ty Simpson discourse, draft overthinking season, and why teams keep talking themselves into chaos every March. (00:00) Intro (01:04) Jaxson Smith-Njigba Contract Extension (10:29) Is Ty Simpson Actually QB1?!?! (14:34) QB Ty Simpson (23:48) WR Jordyn Tyson (30:40) TE Kenyon Sadiq (39:02) OT Spencer Fano (43:50) OT Monroe Freeling (47:13) DE Rueben Bain Jr. (54:00) DE Akheem Mesidor (57:55) DE/LB Arvell Reese (01:04:15) Other Injury Risks (01:06:30) March Madness (01:16:40) Flag Football (01:28:26) Emails Discord link: https://discord.gg/Ge8bbYHrau Vote for Tyler Tanaguchi: https://nurse.org/articles/mariners-nurse-night/#nom Check out The Ringer’s 2026 NFL Draft Guide: https://theringer.com/nfl-draft/2026/big-board#content Email us! [e-mail] Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Austin Gayle, Abou Kamara, Carlos Chiriboga, and Cameron Dinwiddie Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Ringer NFL Draft Show, aka the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Hyphen, and I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Coralbeck, and we are going over the riskiest players in the NFL draft for 2026. DK, a draft expert here at the Ringer. We're going to go through the players that could be really great or also suck. Like DK, you go through every single draft every single year. And you're like, wow, I remember that everyone told me that guy would be great and then he sucks. Yeah, it happens a lot, actually.

And you can make the argument that everybody is high risk, high reward. because no one knows what we know we know we know what we're talking about you know some guys just end up being a lot better in the pros some guys suck you just never really know but we try we try every year it would be a long show if we just did every single player could be good or bad so we're going to go with the players who have the highest risk of being really good or really bad yeah but first i wanted some news uh Jackson smith and jigba for dk s Seattle seahawks signed a contract extension that it's they say it's 40 million a year it's really 30 million dollars a year but jackson and Jigba. A lot of money for your extension.

So he's under contract to the Seahawks D.K. for basically six more years, $30 million more a year. And there's a lot to this. The Seawks offseason. I want to talk about the Ohio State Rumi came from. But I'm curious, I want to start with Craig. If you were just going to start a Madden franchise, like, and how many wide receivers would you take ahead of Jackson Smith and Jigua?

I think there's just a top tier. And he is, I think it's him, Jemar Chase, Puka, Nakua. Probably that's it. Maybe Cidi Lamb is in there. But I think it's Puka Jemar Chase. and JSN are in that tier and they're interchangeable to me. What about Justin Jefferson? He's in there too, right?

Yeah, Justin Jefferson, I would include as well, yeah. DK, how, as reductive and simplistic as it is to just be like, well, this guy's the fourth best receiver in football. Is Jackson Smith and Jacob the fourth best receiver in football? Where is he actually rank? I think that's about right. Yeah, I think that's about right. I would probably still put Jamar Chase number one overall.

And that's probably not going to change for me for a long time, unless he tears his knee something crazy. He's just so explosive and so powerful, but Jackson Smith, the Jigba proved, I think what a lot of people didn't think he could do, which is be a number one receiver, play on both the outside and in the slot, because he was a slot receipt, he was known as a slot receiver coming out of the draft. That was basically what he did for the most part at Ohio State. He did play some outside and it was pretty successful, but for the most part, he was a slot guy. And so I think he's shocked a lot of people in terms of what he can be in the NFL. And he's been just

an absolute clutch go-to guy for the Seahawks. Every time that need a big play, it felt like he came up with one. I think the thing that JSN, I feel like he's already underrated. I think he doesn't have a physical standout character. Jamar Chase is basically like Sequinacu is a wide receiver. Pukunuku is a psychopath.

Justin Jefferson has kind of a more identifiable, body type, playmaking style. JSN is kind of just like rock solid. And yet, I had him in fantasy this year. The most consistent elite player in the league last year was

JSN. I mean, he was on Pace Stap 2,000 yards for most of the season. He was unbelievable, unbelievably consistent. And maybe half of that you have to give to the system, Clint Kubiak, who's gone now, but I don't know. I already think he might be underrated. That's an amazing take. I think you're right, though, because it's the extension of what we kept saying about Amman Rous Saint-Brown, where not even just real life, but even for fantasy, where all of Amman-Ras-St. Brown's production should matter more. We are so anchored to what we think of these guys immediately that it takes forever to adjust. Jamar Chase was supposed to amazing, he was amazing.

Immediately, Justin Jefferson was the first-run pick, but then it was like he was good almost from the job. Like week two or week three, I forget when he took off. He was like setting records for most yards in the first X amount of games. Yeah. You know, he was incredibly productive right away. And the fact that JSN was just used as a line of script. It's so funny.

He was used as a gadget player year one with a Shane, are we live Waldron, which that clip is aging like fine wine. Nothing is aged better, you could argue. I love it. I love Shane. Are We Live, Walgaret? He's like he's a good person. And remember, he's in Miami now. Is that right? Where is he? No, he's in Jacksonville. He's in Jacksonville, Florida. The big takeaway for me is J.S. Ed made more like jaw-dropping plays this year than I think I could have ever imagined him doing in terms of just like shaking guys in coverage. And there was actually

a play from the 2024 season. I don't know if you guys remember this, but it was like the IQ 1,000 player, where JSN saw that Gino Smith was scrambling. So he just ran like a vertical route and was like looking back and holding his hands up. Like he's going to catch a vertical pass or whatever like a downfield pass. And then his, the guy that was defending him was just playing him really close. And then that allowed Gino Smith to like gain a bunch of yards as a scrambler. So he is just like a smart tough. This is the Seahawks thing.

Smart, tough, reliable is sort of like what they've always had under John Schneider. He's just, he embodies all those things. So I'm super stoked to see him get paid. By the way, his contract is pretty team friendly for the Seahawks. He's obviously getting a ton of money and he's moving all his cash payments closer, like to basically this year and going forward. But they have him for six more years. And the cap pits don't really start kicking in until 2028 in terms of like really affecting the cap. Like the cap numbers according to over the cap in 2026 is 10.3 million in 2027.

It's only 15.6 million. So he's a deal for the next two years for the Seahawks. You want to reward people who are the model for how you want to play. And so I think the Seahawks, the guys for Seattle, it's JSN on offense and it's Devin Witherspoon on defense. Like if you ask the Seahawks, how should you be a Seahawk, then it's Devin Wetherspoon. And I think he's going to get a contract too. Yeah, I think it's also a slice of humble pie.

I'm also, I'm at it myself because I wrote down after that Rose Bowl where Ohio State played Utah. And he had like 400 yards. Yeah, JSN. And I wrote down on my notes. I created a note for the following year, like the draft after the draft. I didn't have any notes quite yet on that draft. And I just was like Jackson, Seth and Jigba, maybe the greatest receiver I've ever played, I've ever seen.

Don't let people talk you out of this. Yeah, yeah. And then like over the, he gets a hamstring strain. It's really play. And then they're like, well, he's big. What's his trait? His trade is that he's fucking incredible at football. Yeah.

And it's not quantifiable with statistics or with athletic profile. And people get lost by the, well, what's the speed? what's the agility? And I'm like, I don't know, man. It's like he just is incredible at football at every single part. His skill. His body control to me is the big takeaway in terms of when you're trying to apply lessons of previous years going forward.

The big lesson for JSN is like speed is overrated. And this is something that we've kind of known implicitly, but it always is. It's overrated. In fact, if you look at fantasy production, it's actually negatively correlates to overall speed. So speed is not. the end-all-be-all for receivers. That's something to keep in mind with Carnell Tate,

who ran like a 4-5, and people are like, oh, he's not super explosive. But it's more about body control, how they leverage their bodies, you know, relative to the defensive player in terms of like positioning

and just a natural feel for catching the football, a natural feel for route running. It's game-speed is incredible. Like it's stupid. Watch the game. You'll be able to tell. Is this person struggling to get open

because of lack of, Pooka-Ku is fine. It's fine. It's not just speed. though, it's also the ability to change direction, change speed, throttle down. It's like... The NBA Combine probably doesn't have a...

Maybe they do where you're just like, how fast can you dribble a basketball up a court? It's like, that's not really how basketball works. It's like how quickly can you get around someone and there's a thousand ways to do it, but it ultimately comes back to the same handful of skills. It's like, how good is your ball control? How able are you to deceive people with your moves?

If only, if only we had dozens and dozens of games we could watch to see if these guys could do that And not just three tests in Indianapolis. I can't wait to then go to the risky guys and talk about how fast they all are. Because, man, these guys are fast. I want to just also, because again, Jackson Smith, the Jigba, I do think he's a good representation of just... Sometimes we mark a guy as high floor, not high ceiling. And I think Jackson Smith of Jigba is one of my favorite examples of all time of that.

Of like, everyone thought he'd be an NFL player. A few people thought he'd be this. Unless you would just not watch football after his... You didn't watch his final season of college. You'd be like, yeah, he'll be this. I want to just note, the Packers took Lucas Van Ness 13th overall, a pass rush who didn't start in college. He now doesn't really start in the NFL. Craig, your Steelers took Broger Jones, 14th, the tackle that you hate.

I got him as a note later, by the way. Yeah. Oh, good. The Jets took Will McDonald's an undersized pass rusher that they've since traded to the Titans to go back to Robert Sala. And then Washington, the worst of all, took Emmanuel Forbes, the 160-pound cornerback over, not only JASN, but they also took them over Christian Gonzalez, which is incredible. But the fact that these four players in a row went over Jackson, Fifth, and Jigbo, it made sense, like now it looks insane, but it also would have been insane when the college football season ended.

Only when the college football season ended, does, like, Roderick Jones and Lucas Van Ness and Will MacDonald go over at JASN. Well, McDonald is not the one that they traded to the Titans, by the way, but that's irrelevant because your point stands. Oh, yeah, sorry, it's Germaine Johnson was the one. But still, I remember very vividly, I was at the Ringer's headquarters, doing all the draft coverage, you know, night one of the draft. Everything's so excited. And JSN just kept inching closer and closer to the Seahawks spot.

I remember Hyphitz, you were there. I was like, looking around, I'm like, there's no way this is going to happen, right? Like, they are going to be able to get JISN. I was so stoked. And, I mean, this is, I think this is a good example of, you know, hindsight. This is not a hindsight thing. Like, I was super excited to get him. I agree that I didn't think he had maybe elite super.

super star potential. He was just going to be a really good NFL player. But yeah, I mean, it's like, I do feel just teams overthink things constantly, constantly. And that's, it's one of the biggest takeaways every year from the draft is that like they just overthought it. And that is going to be a good segue into kind of what we're talking about today. That's what a great, what a great segue in overthinking. Um, there, I don't even know how to get into this, but there's been a lot of conversation about Ty Simpson, the quarterback from Alabama of this week. I don't know.

I don't even know if we want to just fan the flames here, but if you basically, what's it, Deanor Olavski, ESPN was saying that Tyne Simpson's the number one quarterback. And I don't think that's the case. I will try to be open-minded about all these opinions.

But I think that, I'm trying to be polite here. You're being real careful here. It's fine. Orlovsky basically said that Ty Simpson has made in his ass to throw more NFL type throws in college than Mendoza who's just like ripping RPO's

and that's what Orlovsky was trying to claim. Look, it's March 24th. We've officially reached phase two of the offseason where we make shit up. We're playing flag football and we're coming up with takes like Ty Simpson's better than Mendoza and that is where we are. And you know what?

Look what's going on right now. We have a week's worth of content. And Orlovsky's on McAfee and everyone's all in a tizzy because this is why the draft should be like February 29th or 28th. That's not even a real day. If you moved it up, all the scouts. Every fourth year. March 1st should be the draft and everything would be fine.

All the coaches and scouts would revolt and they would do better in the draft. 100%. It would literally just do better. It should be two weeks after the combine, a week after the combine. By the way, just the whole ESPN sort of content making machine has been great because Orlovsky said this. Mike Tannenbaum retweeted. Orlovsky saying that and said he's heard this from several teams as well. Orlovsky went on to

double down and said he texted 12 to 15 GMs and decision makers this week with the comment Tysonson is the best quarterback in this draft class. And he said only two of them disagreed with him. The funny response for McAfee was like, okay, how many actually responded to you? But like still, basically this is a, he's driving this narrative hard. And then I saw that they were talking about it on with. with Mel Kiper and asked him kind of his opinion. He was like, I haven't heard anybody say that. I mean, two things are true.

It's just really funny that like, no, I don't know. This is just such a funny manufactured thing. I can't believe this is actually happening, but it is. So we'll enjoy it. Multiple things are true. We can sit here and be honest and be like, look, nobody really knows about any stuff. It's hard to predict the future.

I also know that if Orlovsky, the first pick, you wouldn't fucking take Ty Simpson. Well, he would take for a minute. So he hedged. At the end of that clip with Greenie, he was like, I think Ty Simpson in the middle of the first round is a better pick than Mendoza at first. Okay, so that's a good conversation.

Why didn't you just say that the first time, pal? Because it's on first takes. But this is the real take I want to talk. This is the real question I have. And this is not because of Dan, I wanted to talk about this episode because they all blew up this week. But I've been wondering this for like six weeks

because I resolved at the end of the college football season to not like Ty Simpson because I hated how he played down the stretch. My caveat, my asterisk and the stupid thing I'll look back on years from now when Ty Simpson sucks is do we just throw out the second half of Ty Simpson's season this year at Alabama? Because it seems like he was hurt. He hurt his back. It is like night and day the splits from before.

His completion percentage dropped from like 70 to 60, half the touchdowns, twice the interceptions after he hurt his back. He had gastritis, which you don't know why, but it seems like, frankly, that's what happens when you take a lot of pain pills. Pain pills are actually steroids. for anti-inflammation, and that can fuck with the lining in your stomach. So it couldn't digest anything. So it seems like Ty Simpson lost like 12 pounds in like a few weeks during the season, which

when you're an athlete, you lose like 14 pounds during the season. Like that's a lot of weight. That's not like a normal person. Like they, like that's a lot of weight for a quarterback to lose in the middle of the year in a handful of days. He was already undersized. Yeah. He's already 6.1.2.10.

He dropped to 6.1.19 in the middle of the year. So I wonder. That's like Bryce young. Like, yes, I know. Yeah. It really is. So we're going to go through the rixiest players of the draft, but I want to start with Ty Simpson because,

D.K, the thing I keep wondering, the Jets have the second pick. We all think they're going to take Arval Rees, or defender at number two. And why shouldn't the Jets just take Ty Simpson with the second first run pick they have at number 16 overall? I personally don't think so.

I do think you could make the argument. I think it's a much better process to take him with the 16th pick than try and reach and go up, you know, early in the draft to get him, that kind of thing. Um, to me, like the, the, the Tyson argument or whatever to me is more, you almost want to just take away everything. You don't like, you almost want to just not watch him.

I know that's kind of like an antithesis to what we do here. You just don't watch him and just look like truthfully. I'm being serious. Like the case against Simpson is not anything you see on tape. It's against his track record and resume as a starting quarterback, which is. And his size and basically his analytical profile. So first of all, he's undersized. He's already got that working against.

He was six foot one. Yeah. Two, what was he? 210 at the combine or something like that. He's bulked up to get to 210. 6-1-2-10. Yeah. And by the way, when he started playing crappy, it was when he got hurt.

And that's like the big worry that you have with undersized quarterbacks. Is they're going to get hurt more often? It's a big man's game. You're getting hit really fucking hard on the yield. Bad stomach lining? Yeah. And so his play dropped off a cliff. So number one, he's small, got hurt, his play fell off a cliff.

Number two, he's old. He's older than he's 23 years old. That can be a good thing if it means that you've had a lot of experience. It can be a good thing if it means you have a lot of experience under your belt. However, the problem is he's old. He's old. He's old with one year of starting experience. He has 15 total college starts.

15 starts. And this is where the small sample size thing really hurts. Because look, you can talk about how well he played. early in the year, but it's a very small sample. And then he started playing poorly in the back end of the year. Very small sample. What do you get from that? I don't know.

It's a small sample. It could be anything. It could be a boat. So if you look at the history of quarterbacks, and these are some stats I've seen from Dame Bruegler and other people around the web, basically quarterbacks with 15 or fewer, he had 15 starts in college, 15 or fewer starts in college in the last 10 years in the first round. Mitch Jribiskey,

Dwayne Haskins, Anthony Richardson. Even if you expand it to 10 more games, 25 or fewer starts. So basically an extra season, almost. 25 or fewer starts in college first round since 2015. The one guy that has turned out really good in the NFL, like undoubtedly good, is Josh Allen. Guess what?

He's a freaking alien physically. Exception that proves the role. He is the most athletic, like strong arm. He is the prototype you want at court. back. Also was like almost a disaster. For two years. It was like no shot. Right. And so here, let me go through these other ones. Have it's real quick. Oh my God. So 25 starts. Josh Allen and C.J. Stroud. We know what's

happening with C.J. Stroud. Like I think the book is still kind of out on him. 24 or less. Because I wanted to include those two guys so I didn't feel like I was cherry picking. 24 or less. Here's the guy. 24 or less starts. Right. Sam Darnold, Tua, Carson Wentz, Justin Fields, Kyler Murray, who might be an exception, but he's moving. on to a new team. Trey Lance, Mac Jones, Joanne Haskins, Mitchell Tribisky. Again, the only guy who's really worked

is Josh Allen. And I think you, like, do you look at the other ones? Kyler Murray, again, physically outstanding. He's small, but very, very fast with a very good arm. And then the rest of those guys,

I mean, do you want any of those guys in the first round? Sam Darnold has been on five teams. Well, also, all of these guys are physically more impressive than Tyson. They at least have something you can, like, latch on.

I would say the only guys that Simpson I would be more impressed by in terms of just physical tools, probably more than Tua and arguably more than Mack Jones. I would quibble your list is concerning and it's a good counter. That's to me like before you get into the argument of like what Ty Simpson is, that's what I want you to consider. You're betting on a massive outlier. So that's fair. I would also say despite all that, a lot of those guys you picked are, were in the top five, off the top of the head.

I mean, Chubisky was third. Trey Lance was picked, really, you traded up a crazy amount for third. Anthony Richardson was top five. Josh Donald was top. Like all these guys still, darn old. All these guys went really high. So I'd say, keep that in mind. Number two, Ty Simpson does have some physical stuff.

He's a smaller guy. He's fast. Ty Simpson's fast. Or at least fast enough. Like I would say he's kind of like Trubisky in that way where he has wheels, has an arm, took forever to start. Trubisky didn't start at UNC forever. And then it's, the funny thing with Ty Simpson, to your point,

it took Ty Simpson like four years to play at Alabama and if like he couldn't start until last year and I don't know if Ty Simpson wouldn't start maybe if he went back which is a little concerning. Right. I would counter, quibble with... In college. In college.

They have prospects. I mean, he would beat out the guys probably right now. He, he does stuff at the line. My issue was down the stretch was he was really hurt, but the mental mistakes were crazy. Like I thought Ty Simpson like looked so frazzled and everything. And the thing is, thing is, if I'm overrating, I heard he was, like, I wouldn't take him in the first or second

round. Like, Type Simpson was so bad in the games that mattered in the cultural playoff. Like, he was mentally fried. And he's supposed to be like a strength of his. If he's doing more stuff at the offensive line than other two other quarterbacks, maybe, because he was in the same system for so long, which I think that's the other piece of team's love is like he's the only guy left that didn't transfer for playing time. And the loyalty meant something. I don't know. I have very mixed feelings on him. My question is just, if you're the Jets, what's your fucking alternative. And like, that's the thing.

Just wait a year. Why? Don't burn a fucking first rounder on a guy that you don't think is going to work out. You're already the Jets. History is working against you like tenfold. Then don't bet on an outlier. How about that? I think the Jets pass to Jackson Dart left.

Here's the only thing, the only reason I could, the only, I think, instance I can see Ty Simpson turning out to be an above average starting quarterback in the NFL is landing spot. You can talk me into it if he lands with the, with the Rams. That's great for him. And he can sit for a couple of years or a year or two behind Stafford and develop. And I could see that working out really well for him. If he goes to the Jets, no fucking shot, right? Like there's no chance he would develop and do a starter.

Anybody though. If it goes to the Cardinals, good luck. I'm of the mind that you should just keep taking shots at quarterback. And like, Andrew Barry basically said that in the combat. He's like, yeah, I don't have a single problem with taking a quarterback every year. Which bring, I think there are really like four teams that could realistically take Ty Simpson. in the first round with the potential of him actually starting in the next year or two and being their franchise guy.

I think the Rams at 13, the Jets at 16, the Steelers at 21, and Cleveland at 24. I think those are the four teams that can really- I think those are all realistic, yeah. And all those are all teams that if he goes to, he would fail on Cleveland to the Jets. Part of me is like, I don't know. It's like God.

We are always so wrong with our quarterback analysis in the NFL draft and I'm like, maybe I do want the Steelers to take him at 20s. That's kind of what I'm thinking. I'm like, it's close enough that you take a guy and you're like, oh, it's probably going to be bad. Well, you know what? The other player you take might be bad too.

Quarterback, it's just so much more important than everything else. And this is the thing we forget during the draft that during the season, it's like, how many players you would trade on your team for a serviceable quarterback? Well, yeah. I mean, part of me is like, you take the Steelers. If Rogers comes back and Ty Simpson sits for a year behind Aaron Rogers, he has Mike McCarthy who, you know, is a good quarterbacks coach and it has made it work with good quarterbacks. I'm like, I would not be upset at the process, even if Ty Simpson ends up being a

fucking disaster. I'm like, the idea and the process of that is not bad. So I just got ESPN alert. Craig Horlebeck says already started complimenting Mike McCarthy loves the higher. It's a hot take season. Look, the process of taking Roger Jones by Omar Khan made sense. I'm not going to be upset at taking shots at tackles. Not going to be upset at taking shots of quarterback. I fully acknowledge, Craig, that we're usually wrong on this. We're always wrong. So why not just take it to the side?

But this guy, but no, but to me, it's like the history. You're betting on an outlier. I think you're more likely to be wrong. Which part concerns you more? It's not him being small. It's that he needed four years to play. He couldn't beat out. It's small.

And then also he only has 15 starts, which is a really, really, really small sample. I mean, to be honest with you, looking at this, I mean, Josh, of, of the guys with 25 or less starts Josh Allen C.J. Strouds, Sam Darnold, Kyler Murray. I'd take all those right now. Mac Jones. I'd take all five of them on this dealers right now. You had a chance. You can go get Mac Jones, you know, probably for less than

their first round day. I would welcome Mac Jones. That's a fair question. Just give the 90s a second. I'd rather have Max Jones. At least he has some experience in the NFL. Okay, so let's go through the rest of the risky players here. You want to take us through. Yeah, because I want to go the next guy here is a guy near and dear to my heart who is my favorite wide receiver prospect in this draft is Jordan Tyson out of Arizona State.

D.K. The funny thing with Ty Simpson is when a player is risky, the idea is that there should be a high reward. There should be a great reward. See, that's kind of what I was trying to get at. I think it's like the risk is the floor, but the reward with Ty Simpson is like he's serviceable. With Jordan Tyson, I think it's a little different,

where the risk you can get into it a little bit, but at least the upside, the reward is there for Jordan Tyson, right? Yes. To me, the reward, Tyson, and I, I, said this before, he has, I think, the highest ceiling of the receivers in this class, but I also think he is maybe the lowest floor guy in terms of just there's a lot of ways that it might not work out. Are there or is it mainly just health to you? Like, if he had never gotten hurt, is there really a terrible floor?

I think to me, it's more than just the health thing. The health is the big thing. That's the biggest variable. He's been hurt every season. The last like four years, he's got Jordan Tyson. And he's coming into this draft process. Again, his hamstring is hurt so he can't work out. So there's just like.

String, sham string. I'm just saying this is, we're talking about risky players. I view this guy's a risk because of the injury situation. However, it's more than just injuries. And the reason I have him, I think as my wide receiver four in this class is I just kind of, and I think that this is a very true thing. People just have types when it comes to receivers. They like certain types of guys over different like profiles.

And I just saw too many instances where Tyson was kind of like pushed off his route, pushed off the catch point, overpowered, boxed out by corners, kind of like just didn't win at the catch point in terms of using play strength to overpower smaller corners. And I know that this is like a strong word and it has connotations and I'm not trying to do that. But like, there were times where I felt like he played soft. And I didn't, I don't like that. It's just like kind of an ick for me.

He might turn out to be an amazing player. I think his upside case is like Garrett Wilson. I've seen a Mark Cooper thrown out there. I'll even throw out like a really, really high upside case, like a Devante the Adams type player. That's where the quickness, the route running, the size, all that stuff comes into play. But to me, I just saw him get pushed off too many routes and it just kind of annoyed me. And that's why I pushed him down ever so slightly. Again, he's still in first round for me. He's, I'd still would be excited to see him on my team. But if we're ranking these guys,

that's just where I put him. He also has really short arms for being six foot two. He does. 30 and a quarter inch arm, which is 11th percentile for receivers. And his wingsman is really small. Well, it's about the catch radius because to D.K., it's the combination of all those things. He gets open very shortly. That's quick. But it's a combination of he doesn't have the elite speed down the field. But with D.K. is saying short arms. But it's the week also, God, I can we call him soft.

I'm proud of you, D.K., but like, the weakness at the catch point. Heinz Ward coach this guy in college. How dare you call him. I think I would have seen it a little more on the field then. Heinz Ward. You know, I was reading a little bit about my guy, Jordan Tyson. There are a lot of scouts who say he is quite tough. The game against Texas Tech, they said he hurt both hamstrings, stayed in the game

and closed the game out. I know. I will say it. I was watching that game and he was like riding on the ground. I was like, oh my God, did this guy die? And then he came back in a few plays later. It was like when the scataboo was like throwing up in a garbage can between the quarter breaks and then he just like ran 70 yards or something.

Also the reports of that he like cares about football. Like he like is taking the time to learn about the game and wants to improve and all that. stuff and just i want to be clear that it's not like i dislike you hate him you hate him you think he's a soft you think he's soft you have to take sides a basketball player like his brother and he shouldn't be on the field yeah yeah yeah i i do want to just lay a little groundwork for jordan tyson so he's young he's 21 years old still 22 over the off season he's athleticism's insane as great just said his brother's on the cleveland cavaliers so like there's crazy athleticism to dkis point uh we don't we can't measure the athleticism because Jordan Tyson did not do combine or pro-day workouts

because he was hurt and he's hurt again. So just to recap the injury stuff, because it sounds vague. Tor is ACL, MCL, and PCL at the end of 2022 at Colorado. So he transferred to all of 2023 at Arizona State and then broke his collarbone in 2024 and then he pulled his hamstring in 2025, which is like whatever in the hamstring, then he seems to have maybe tweaked his hamstring again because he's not doing the pro day work. or he's not, he didn't run like that kind of stuff, the pro day. But then did the bench press and almost broke the receiver record for bench press?

Short arms. With one with, well, that's kind of why I think Ruben Bay didn't do the bench press. He's not a T-Rex. I think guys, the short arms don't do the bench because they don't want to be known for in the lines. And so the, but I will say, I was kind of like, why is he, why did he work so hard at that bench press? I'm like, well, he could pull the same street. He can't do the leg. It's the only muscle that's healthy right now.

Exactly. So I will say that's a lot. It's a lot of injuries. Like that's a full knee reconstruction basically in 2022. Then the broken collarbone thing is a freak thing. Counter. Yeah. One, the collarbone I could care less.

That's a freak injury. That could happen to anybody. Hamstrings. Okay. I still would not be concerned about that. And then the knee, the like quadruple knee injury, ACL, MCL, PCL. My counter to that was like, he was fucking like,

we've already seen him look fucking awesome after the injury. No question. That's fine. So I think that, so let's, let's say. for a moment that Jordan Tyson stays healthy because it's not fun to be like, well, he could get hurt. I think the question is, D.K., I told you he's

going to be healthy for a decade. Jordan Tyson probably is the most upside of any of the receivers. Like his ceiling of how good he becomes. You mentioned Devante Adams, like I've seen Stefan Diggs. Like, there's a lot of like, he could be really great. And he's not necessarily yards after the catch creator, but he just gets open, man. I think the question.

His body control, his footwork, like very quick feet, very twitchy for. his size, which I absolutely love. And again, I wouldn't make this super stratosphere comp in Devante Adams for him if I didn't actually like him. But these are the worries that we're talking about. But Devante Adams, like Josh Allen sucked

for two years and fans hated him. Devante Adams couldn't catch for two years and like, not couldn't catch, but Devanti Adams, everyone thought DeVante Adams was like not going to make it in the NFL. Yes. For a year, really like a year and a half into his career. People thought Devante Adams was a huge miss by eBay.

I think Jordan Tyson, it's not exactly the same with the hands, but I think that for a player is acrobatic and athletic, frankly, like, for someone to have so many highlight real catches, I don't think his hand, like, Dicker, are Jordan Tyson's hands, his ability to receive the football? Would you call it a strength? Yeah, I think his hands are good,

because he's like one of those guys that has some incredible highlight real catches, but I think the consistency needs to improve pretty dramatically in the NFL. Okay, well, then let's, I want to go on to the next guy, because this guy's also very fascinating. Kenyon Sadiq, the tight end of Oregon, DK. Mm-hmm.

I would like, for my basic troglodyte brain, give me some worst-case best case. Trog-maxing, yeah. I'm trogmax me here a little bit. Give me Kenyon Sadiq, worst-case, best-case. Yeah. So what do you want first? Best case or worst-case? What do you like?

Worst. How do you like to do it? Okay. So worst-case, for me, the Sadiq thing, a worst-case scenario is an Eric Ebron-Slaught-N-Fant-type player, where everyone gets super enamored with the physical talent, which is very clear. I mean, he's truthfully one of the most athletic tight ends we've ever seen in terms of his combine testing. Rano 4-3 jumped out of the jump, like one of the highest jumps.

He would have made more history if Stowers hadn't kind of mugged him or whatever in the jumping ability. But yeah, Eric Ebron-type guy where Ebron didn't really do anything until his second contract. He was a huge disappointment. I think teams didn't really know how to you. use him well. No, I think it's kind of in the same boat where the athleticism is clear. Guys who flash offensively every once in a while and that's kind of it. You start to kind of get enamored with the types of explosive plays they can create, but then you forget about

everything else. It's the guy Duncan and warm-ups. Right. Wow, he can windmill. Yeah, but then, so I think there is a fear for me with Sadiq where we're overrating the athletic traits and then I think underrating or not paying enough attention to like how he's going to be, how he's going to be deployed on the field, if a coach is going to trust him to be a true tight end, or is he going to be like a tight end two type guy? Kind of like Isaiah likely has been relegated to tight end two duties for most of his career, even though there's flashes are incredible.

I'm worried that'll be kind of what happens with Sadiq. So this is more of just like a fantasy question. Is he ever going to be a big-time producer? Because in his college career, he was never a big-time producer. In fact, his best season was last year. It was 560 yards and eight touchdowns. His yards per outrun, very middling, 1.62 yards per outrun. When you compare that to some of the other top tier tight ends that have come into the league over the last couple of years, it's very low.

So, you know, and that's really only one year of production. So his production profile leaves you wanting. And basically what you're hoping is the athleticism will translate to the next level, which it could. It honestly absolutely could. But I think there is a you're going to have to pay a lot to find out if it will. You know what I mean? You might be better off just signing him to a second contract. Hi, Fitz, you're smiling.

I agree with a lot of things D.K. said, I would take him even further. I mean, I think he's right. I think the Vernon Davis upside thing is probably the right comparison. It's like his upside. Oh, yeah, that was my best case. It's like a Vernon Davis. I originally comped him to Sam Leporto because they're about the same size. I think you can utilize him as a blocker, but he's not like an elite blocker.

Yeah. So I, well, I agree with what you're saying. I just think it's nothing against Kenyon Sadiq because I think Kenyan Sadiq, again, coming out of Oregon, he's clearly the best tight end in this class. Although I think we might look back a year from now and say that actually this Jemar Johnson, who's like the other tight end in Oregon probably coming out next year, probably better than Kenyon Sadiq. Yeah. But I think Kenyon Sadiq's definitely the best tight end in this class. The reason I think he deserves to be on this riskiest players thing is, do you know how many athletic tight ends with kind of meager production have come and gone and like we just memory hole? And, like, Sadiq did catch stuff at Oregon.

Like, I think he led the Oregon and catches last year. I think he had the second most yards. He led Oregon in receiving touchdowns. Like, he didn't do nothing. But he had, like, half of the catches that Tyler Warren did last year. You know what I mean? Or I guess two seasons ago. I mean, it is, when we talk about, like, there's been good tight ends recently that have produced,

but they've been a lead at something. Kyle Pitts, first tight end hit 1,000 yards. But he was, like, the best tight end prospect since whenever. Brock Bowers is great. But he was also, like, as good of a prospect on the most incredible. incredible Georgia teams you ever saw. Brock Bowers was like the best player in the team. Tyler Warren had like basically the most catches ever for a tight end.

He like led the country. He did everything for that team. Yes. And it's like, okay, like this is like one of the most productive like catches and yards at the tight end position ever. The most catches, I believe, in a game by a tight end was Tyler Warren. Harold Fanon, even last year. He was good, but he's kind of receiver.

He led all of college football and yards per ret run. Like something that was exceptional in terms of production for most of these guys. Sadiq is pretty. probably more exciting for the athleticism. Tight end's a mystery box position. It's the joke so like would always sail from family guy. Where like, do you want a boat or the mystery box? It's like, well, the book, the mystery box can be anything.

It can even be a boat. And you look at the fast guys. Well, Sadiq has the fastest 40-yard dash since Vernon Davis. And he has all this. And it's like, but he didn't run any of the agility drills. Like he didn't run any agility drills. It's all speed, jumping, explosiveness. But no three-cone, none of that stuff, which is one thing for me.

And it's just like, D.K. mentioned Noah Fan, who was probably a better over- athlete, but like a less willing blocker. But Noah Fent was also a first round pick out of Iowa, which was a tight end factory and like, that did nothing. Eric E brought to an example. T.J. Hawkinson, I believe. Same here as Hawkinson.

And like, I think the same team, too. Sadiq is a willing blocker. I don't think his technique's very good. He can manhandle guys who aren't defensive line in college. I think Sadiq will have to eventually learn the technique to be linebackers in the NFL. I think part of me is like, you know, Noah fans a good example. Remember O.J. Howard? Yeah, yeah.

who was 6, 6, 6, 3 inches taller, he ran a 4 or 5. He tore his Achilles, but that was four years into his career. Like, he wasn't that good. So I look at Sadiq as a guy that I wouldn't be shocked if he's an all pro, but to Deke's point, is he going to, like, need four years to really come into himself and then he'll be good at 26, because that to me is the risk of a first round tight end is, with the exception of like four guys in the last five years, very few tight ends are good in the first three years of their career.

But you need tight ends right now in the NFL, so I think he'll go high. I think, yeah, this is such a cop out, but it really does matter where he lands and how they utilize him. I know that that's, like, not helpful, but I think it will. We did our mock last week. We put him on the Niners. Yeah. But you have to be like Miles Garrett for that to not be true.

Yeah. Like, yeah, guys go to bad teams are probably going to be worse. If you had never seen him shirtless and had never seen him run and jump, D.K., and you just watched the tape, would you feel differently about him? No, I think I'd feel the same. I do like him a lot. I think he, the upside, like we've talked about, is insane. I think he shows the burst.

I think he shows the speed on tape. The explosive plays are there. And he's a beast at the catch point. I think one kind of knock on him is he has a bunch of drops. I would say that's a little bit overplayed. He had six drops according to PFF last year, which is, you know, not astronomical, but not nothing. They're lenient. Yeah, but he, to me, had enough plays where he,

he was mossing dudes in the end zone kind of deal that I'm like, this guy can catch a ball. He just needs to be a little bit more consistent. So, but to me, yeah, he's the blocking stuff. He tries really hard. He gets the job done. Yeah, he's like a, he's not some, you know, just I want to be a glorified receiver. He's not like that.

And that's kind of why I comped him to Sam LaPortis because like he can get the job done. He's probably going to get overpowered by a big defensive end. But he can get the job done in space if they want to use them in the screen game, if they want to use him as like a second level block. guy. He's not useless. LeBorder is a bad blocker. LaBlora is not respected as a blocker.

I think that Sadiq... But he plays most of the snaps is the big deal. And he's the tight end one on that team. So that's kind of the big question with Sadiq is, will he be the number one tight end on your team and play 70 plus percent of snaps? But to steal a post from underdog fantasy, Kenyon Sadiq has the same 40 times Jonathan Taylor, the same broad jump as Des Bryant, higher vertical than Vince Carter, and then the same top speed on his full.

40 as junior gives. Yeah, that's insane. Out of control. But again, I wonder how many tight ends. I mean, there's no tight ends

that probably hit those marks, but how many tight ends in the last 10 years have we seen come close to that? More than you think. And you're like, can you, oh, cool, can you jump that high

and then catch a ball if someone's kicking the shit out of you? Oh, no, it turns out, no, cool. All right, let's go to some other positions here. Let's move on to tackle, offensive tackle. A couple guys we want to get to. We'll start with Spencer Fano

out of Utah. DK, why is he a risky pick for you? So Hyphins and I were talking about this a bunch offline. Basically, everything that we were talking about last year with Will Campbell has seemingly not been discussed with Spencer Fano or Fano this year with regards to the arm length. Now, I recognize that Will Campbell was viewed as a left tackle, and that's a big difference between Fano who is more like a right tackle. At least that's what he played mostly at Utah.

But the arm length is an issue. And, you know, I think, even though his arms magically grew going from the combine to the pro day. Or what was it? Is that what it was? He got like his arms grew like a half an inch. It's cool. His arms grew almost a full inch from the combine to the protein.

He's like the grinch. He's hard grew. Yeah, yeah. He stretched them out. Yeah. But I mean, the question remains. Like, does he have the length, the arm length to play on the edge in the pros? And how big of a risk is it to take him in the top five,

which is basically where he's being projected. most of the time, top 10 at least, when you have this pronounced lack of length because tackles in the NFL, 34 inch, 35 inch, 36 inch arms, I think it's obvious why the arm length thing matters in the pros, like just in terms of it's, we talk about this all the time as a game of inches,

but you're going up against guys that are the best athletes on the field. And having that extra reach can help slow guys up on the outside. It can give you a little bit more leeway. It just gives you more room for error, I think, in terms of what you're doing with your field. feet and all that. So do you think an extra inch gives you, it gives you a bigger margin forever? You think an extra inch to make a big difference? You just have to be less skilled if you have that

extra inch, you know? Yeah, you can't just rely on talent, you know? So yeah, I do. I do think well, but I'll give you. It's hard. You say hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard. And I'm working hard. So do you don't have to worry about me? I'll give you some examples. Here's, here's best case, worst case type deals with guys who have around 33 inch arms. So some of the best examples of offensive tackles in the pros of the last 10, 15 years with sub 34 inch arms Peni Sewell of the Lions who it doesn't matter a goddamn like I haven't seen it matter one time in his career that he has like sub 34 inch arms. He's awesome. He's just an ass kicker. And then Rishon Slater was another guy who some people thought should move to guard when he got

to the pros, but he's just such a smooth mover. So athletic. I think those are kind of Spencer Fano is like that too in terms of if he's just a really smooth mover athletic. And I don't really think the lack of arm length is going to be a massive difference for him? I want to back up from the arm length for a second and then I want to get way too deep into it. But I want to Spencer, like he played a lot of football. He played three seasons. He played like over, you know, 37 starts or something. He's good.

He won the Outland trophy. Right. Like the, you know, first team all American. So like Spencer Vado had a great career as a tackle, as a right tackle. Athletically, he checks all the boxes of like he is good enough to play tackle. in the NFL. The question is, is the arms are in the second percentile.

So as in, Craig, 98% of people will play tack or have gone to the combine of longer arms than him. And also his hands are small. He has the Kenny Pickett baby hands. Spencer Fano's hands are only nine inches wide,

which is also like second percentile like tackles. But here's the weird part. Arms are two second percentile. Wingspan is 20th percentile because his chest is broader than Will Campbell. And then you could also,

so not only is his chest longer, you could argue that. He's not stubby. He's small. Yeah, yeah. His little baby hands, but who cares of you got baby hands? You got to grab stuff and hold without being called. But you could argue if you're talking about the hinge, really measuring from the wrist,

if your hands are so small, he's probably gaining an inch. You know, if you think about it. We're really getting granular here. I just can't believe the way they measure these fucking things. The NFL teams really give a shit about, they measure the shit to the eighth of an inch. And then they don't even measure guys. They can't agree on where the back meat begins of the arm length. The back meat.

They can't agree where the bases. And then meanwhile, they measure hands from thumb to pinky. How does that fucking help? I can't believe you're sitting there. And it's like you wouldn't even think to go middle finger to wrist. I know. That cost me a couple inches with McShay. I don't have wide hands.

That's so stupid. It's like as if you only grab. They're treating your hand like it's a one dimensional object. Like it's a straight line as opposed to the shape of a hand. Kaua. Anyway. A perfect example of why this is important and also means nothing. Yeah, it's important.

It means nothing. And it's stupid. It's like, yeah, it's like you need to beat the most. athletic people in the world at defensive end to win as an offensive tackle. Also, I kind of think Spencer Fano's going to be good. But he's the Rubin-Bain Will Campbell of this year at offensive tackle.

And it's like he could do the Browns at 6. He could fall because teams think he's a fucking center. So then let's go to the opposite side of the spectrum, but stay on offensive tackle with Monroe Freeling out of Georgia, who's a big boy. Oh, yeah. 6-7, 34 and 3 quarter inch arms. Big old hands.

D.K., why is he risky? Because he's inexperienced. This is going back to the thing, the lack of starts in the college game. I think he had 18 total starts. So basically a year and change as a starter. And so that kind of worries you a little bit. I think he's another guy that needs to get a little bit stronger as he gets into the pros. This is a betting on upside and betting on the frame and athleticism and overall talent.

He's built like you want a left tackle to be built. And he moves like a left tackle should move. But I think, is he ready to start day one? That is the question. Is he strong enough to hold up on the left side from day one? it's going to depend on which team is looking at him and what they decide. But I mean, yeah, to me, he's just kind of high variance because the lack of experience and you're betting on traits.

And you're probably going to have to pay up for those traits because he's been moving up all the draft force that I've seen in terms of like mock drafts and things like that. And High Fitz, you talked about this on our mock draft show the other day. And I'm starting to believe it more and more. There's going to be a run on tackles early in this class because there's just no good guys in the second round. So that could mean Freeling goes in the top 10. And then you're betting on a guy.

being living up to those athletic traits, even though you haven't necessarily seen it quite enough on tape yet, if that makes sense. So he's like the comp I made form is Cold Miller, the tackle for the Raiders, who kind of was the same in the same boat where it was just like awesome athlete. He moves different.

He's built perfectly for the left tackle spot. And hopefully we can develop him. And he turned out great. But the worst case, and Craig, sorry for this, but like it reminds me somewhat of the talk around Broderick Jones when he came out, where it was like this guy super athletic, like basketball movement skills, great length, all that stuff. He just hasn't really panned out. Which type of risk looking at Spencer Fano and Monroe Freelig, are you more likely to be comfortable

taking? I think I would be more comfortable with the Spencer Fano type risk where I've seen him play very good football before. If my job is on the line, probably that. Take the guy who played well and maybe has measurements that aren't what you would like rather than the guy who passes all the physical tests, but the experience and the on-field stuff is a little bit more up in the year. Right. I don't mind taking them on a row freely.

I like Spencer Fano. I mean, I like them both, to be clear, but yeah. I get why certain teams, especially this is why we thought the Eagles losing Jeff Stoutland was such a big deal, the offensive line guy for the Eagles, because if you're the Eagles, you take Monroe Freeling because Jeff Stoughton can teach them. you have an offensive line coach that you think is dependable and is going to be able to

mold a guy. Then you're like, yeah, if he could be like a Taylor Luan or something, then I, yeah, I want a really great left tackle or a really great right tackle. So I'm okay with the ball of clay. So that's the thing. It's like you're hiring. It's like, well, what department's he going to? How do we feel about it?

Freeling to be clear is one of the best athletes who's ever seen at tackle. He's six, seven. He's three 15 and he ran a four nine, 40 yard dash, not that offensive light. And he jumped 33 inches. It's just the idea that a 350. pound person can jump 33 inches is insane. He's a great athlete. And I think a lot of coaches will look at that and be like, I can make him into an all pro. And they might be able to.

Okay. Speaking of physical outliers, let's go to edge rusher here. Ruben Bain Jr. Out of Miami, D.K. Best case. I want to start with the best case for Ruben Bain because I feel like there's a lot of negativity around his short little arms. So give me the best case for Ruben Bain in your eyes. So Ruben Bain, his arms are what, 30 inches and change. One, of the short like first percentile 31 inches anyway he's the third shortest arms of any player to go to the combine since 1999 but the point is those guys weren't drafted ribbon bain will by far of the shortest arms have anybody taken in the first time the best case scenario is you get a player like micha parsons who has 31 inch arms like an elite edge rusher a guy that he just wins because

he's more powerful more explosive plays harder more vicious uh you know just like explosive hard-nosed guy who's just going to wear down offensive tackles. I think some more realistic comps. And Craig, I know you hate these. Like, this is what I did with all the receivers where I'm like, you just tell me a bunch of like number two receivers in NFL. How am I supposed to get excited about this? Well, this is the type of draft we're in.

But like some more realistic cases, I think, for Ruben Bain are Melvin Ingram, who had 58 career sacks. He was a good player. Kyle Van Nuoy, who had very short arms. He was an outlier with short arms. He had 57 career sacks. And Shaq Barrett, these are all guys that I'd find. that had really short arms, but ended up having good career.

Shaq Barrett, who had 59 career sacks. He actually led the NFL and sacks in 2019. I think those are more realistic in terms of upside comps. You're not going to get Michael Parsons probably. Michael Parsons is a very rare player. But a guy who can come in and be just a productive edge rusher for you, I can see that. And I think it's realistic for Rueba. Okay.

And then what's your worst case? Worst case. Again, I'm picking on you a little bit here. A guy like Jarvis Jones. My God. How do the Steelers manage to just pick the only shitty players on Georgia? I know, right? Jarvis Jones, I think this is a little, it's not a one-to-one comparison clearly because

Jarvis Jones was a horrific athlete. He just wasn't very athletic. That was like, why are you taking him in the first round? Everybody at the time knew it was a bad pick. And then he had six sacks in four years. Ruben Bain is not an elite athlete by defensive end standards. He didn't do any testing either. Miami Prodeen came.

He did drills. But Ruben Bain did not do testing. But Ruben Bain on tape, I believe, like when you watch him, you're like, oh my God, that guy's explosive. I do agree with that. He's like, he's powerful. Yeah. Ruben Bain, honestly, Craig, you got to do the Bain impression. Bain from Batman?

Yeah. What do you want me to say? You got to be like, oh. Expect one of us in the records, brother. Oh, I'm Gotham's reckoning. Do the, do the dark. You were, I was bored in the dark. I was born in the dark.

I was bored of the dark. But I, Ruben Bain, he is like a villain when he's going against you. Like I kind of wanted Indiana to win. I kind of like that his name is Bain. It just makes him kind of like a fucking badass. Bain is sick. But I mean, just, I mean, look, Ruben Bain, if you didn't know the arm thing about him, I feel like I never would have noticed.

Like, I heard about it midseason. And I wouldn't have noticed, honestly, because he just wins every goddamn rep. He never gives up. But like, I just feel like when you watch Miami, the tip of the top competition. Like, it doesn't have to, I don't really give a shit when they beat up. on like North Carolina A&T. And no offense if anyone went to North Carolina, and T listen to the show.

But like, I don't care. It's like when you played Ohio State, he's kind of kicking the shit out of tackles and guards at Ohio State. Like, Indiana, Ruben Bain wrecked the first half of the championship. Like, Ruben Bain was like just like the whole Indiana offensive line. They had a coalescer on getting the ball away from Ruben Bain. Like he's just a wrecker. I just look at Ruben Bain and I'm like,

I am in a weird way. I get why you don't want to bet an outlier. And I get how it's weird to bet on an outlier. like, okay, well, he's the shortest arms ever. These thresholds exist for a reason. I get why you might not want to put your career on the top 10 pick for him. But in a weird way, I think Ruben Bain has a high floor because I think the worst case for Ruben Bain is he's like the tackle version of where they're like, well, maybe he's a

defensive end, which there's five, there's all these weird words they use, but like he's probably a three tech, which in normal people speak is like a defensive guard. Like he's probably like an undersized defensive tackle. You're rushing against guards. Yeah. Yes. And like he's at the very least, Ruben Bain is such a high floor at run defense. And I think that like he's, he, the arm length is only a thing if they get your arms on you.

But his hand movement, his arsenal, his technique is like so developed. He has so many moves. And they're so refined. Like he has the, you know, he tries to do a version. Everyone wants to do like the Von Miller ghost move. Mench was talking about he's got the hump move from Reggie White. But he just has a lot of moves and counters, kind of like John Wick. I think it's like to just really distill it down what you're saying right now.

And it totally resonates with me is like the arm like doesn't matter because guys can't get their hands on him because he's so violent with his hands. You know what I mean? Exactly. Well, and they're so short. Like, they can't even find this. You can't even read. Yeah, yeah. But that is a real thing.

Like, they're doing jujitsu. Like, these guys are up there, they're doing judo, karate, whatever you want to call it. Like, it's hand fighting. And also, again, I always feel weird dishing this out as a compliment. But Rubin Bain, he plays violently. He's very violent. Like, he... It's a physical game and he is one of the most physical people on the field.

He... Vince Lombardi is, like, it's not a context sport. It's a collision sport. Ruben Bain fucking collides with people. Like he is the person inflicting everything. Like even when they do stunts, he's destroying guards. Like when they have to do all this stuff. So I think Ruben Bain, if the worst thing that happens is he's not an elite pass rush of

the way you think of him, but he will be able to play defensive end. He'll probably be able to kick into three tech. He can move around. He will hold his own and run defense. And maybe he's not elite pass rusher. But like he will be in the NFL, I think. He will be in the NFL at eight to 10 years. Like I'd be surprised that that didn't happen.

Just for some context, he led the country in pressures, according to PFF. Yeah. The production is outstanding. And that, I think, must be kind of stated emphatically here. It's not just that, you know, he's explosive and he has short arms.

Like he was producing very, very consistently. It would be fascinating if we were able to, like, hire a draft analyst who could only watch college football and then the second the season ended. We just locked him in the basement. You can't listen to anything. All he can do is watch tape of the season,

and then he has to build his rankings off that, and then just reemerge on draft night. I would love if that happened. That's a Rubin Bain. You know what's funny is it's probably, that's what Mel Kuyper should be. Mel Kuyper's probably not on the internet. Get him down in the basement with unlimited pumpkin pie.

And then he'll come back in late April. Yeah. You know? I do think it should be said. And this is like just the nature of the draft business and sort of the NFL, the transition from college to the NFL. And I've heard Dave Brewer said this. Like some people are going to have a key medicine.

or higher on their draft boards than Bain. Well, let's get into him. Because of the arm length. Yeah, he's 25 years old. So give me his kind of brief rundown and why you consider him to be risky. I mean, truthfully, the biggest thing and the only thing that I don't like about his profile is he's going to be a 25-year-old rookie. And, you know, that is a big red flag. You don't see very many guys coming to the NFL as 25-year-old.

Basically, you know, I was a 25-year-old intern at the ringer. Did you know that? Sure. Yeah. But you're one-on-one, great. Actually, fuck, that's not true. It's 24. That's a good difference.

And I have long arms, so I feel like I kind of made up for it. It's not just, it's not just 25-year-old rookie. It's a key messador. He's a 25-year-old rookie with, I believe, issues with both feet. Yeah, and that's the other thing is he's already got gout, you know? He's got the King's disease. He's got gout. No, I don't know.

What's wrong with his feet? Craig has turf toe. So, yeah, what old people get with their feet? You know, he's probably got bunions. Bunions. You gotta get those things shaved off. Dude, bunions. Have you guys ever gotten a pedicure?

No. No. I got a pedicure last year and it's insane because they kind of like the first time you do it, it's your whole life has been building to this. And they kind of take, really, it's like a cheese grater and they just grained stuff off the foot. And it's like this pile of mozzarella looking you. Oh my God.

In a little pile. All right. This is making me nauseous. I didn't like the way you said it to a pile of mozzarella. Wow. This is worse than the bugger conversation. Let's move on. A key messador is, that's my outlier.

I don't know if I want to bet on because I think a key messador is a classic, like a team that need. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are perfect for a key Messador because Todd Bowles is super going to get fired if they don't take them or if they don't have a good pass rush for this year. If you have like some ball clay that isn't going to develop for three or four years and it's not on your timeline and Todd Bolls is one of the older coaches and you need a pass rush, it's like go get a key Messador.

He can contribute right now. Yeah, exactly. He might have been better than, he had an incredible season. I'm just like, but if you're like, if you're a team that's looking at a longer horizon and you're like, all right, well, it's 25. So if he signs the second contract, he'd be 30. So like, the odds that you're bringing

them back on one of those fat free agency contracts is like, let's be honest, it's a little low. I rarely think about that, but 25's extreme. 25 with, I believe, he had surgery at at least one foot, but I think it's both. I could be wrong about that. And it's, I, that's the one where I'm like,

I'm concerned by this and I don't want to, that's the kind of thing in the first round I might want to avoid. Yeah. The very bullish version of this is that he's just Jared Verse. And Jared Verse actually kind of is a good comp because I think Verses just so intense, explosive, just brings massive amount of power and burst off the edge. And I think that's kind of what you're getting with Key Messider. Jared Versus was 24 at the draft, turned 25 during his rookie season.

So he was a little bit younger. But not by a lot. You know what I mean? It's pretty close. I think I think Kim Messador turns 25 in April. So he's maybe like six years or six months older than than verse or whatever it is at the time of the draft. So that's the good case. But the bad case is basically he's already maxed out with his development.

He was so successfully because he's going up against guys that are like three or four years younger. Yeah, yeah. I'm not going to say to again. He's 25 year old man playing college football. Right. So and that matters because if you look at, I mean, this is like the perfect example talking about Monroe Freeling who's still sort of of developing and, you know, lifting weights and getting bigger and whatever, like, learning how to keep weight on and all that.

And then, like, you got the key mess store who's like a full grown man with a mortgage and four kids. No, I don't know how many kids, if he has any kids. But, you know, it's like that is a huge difference. And so that's kind of the worry there. And there's just like not a long, there's not a strong track record of 25-year-old rookie pass rushers coming in, especially early round rookie pass rushers coming in and being good. Let's talk about Arval Reese now, which I was surprised that you put,

him on this list. This is a guy who's widely projected to be a top two or three pick in the draft this year. Why is he considered one of the riskiest players to take in this draft? I think he's just interesting because he is kind of a tweener, you know, based on the fact that he basically split time between offball linebacker and pass rusher. As a pass rusher, he has electric athleticism, speed, burst, balance, power. The traits are all there. But, and honestly, the only risk I see is like if an NFL NFL team kind of screws it up with him because I think he has a talent to be a superstar.

You know, you got like a Josh Heinz Allen slash, again, Michael Parsons type player where he... DKid, what team could possibly take Arvel Ries and screw him up? The Cardinals come to mind. Who's going to take them? Or the Jets. Or the Jets. Then he are Jets.

Yeah. I do think that's why I wanted to mention him. I wanted to... So the Jets are going to take Ravele Reese and Ty Simpson and just fuck them both up. Exactly. But I get to Tarvel Reese. This is what they do.

There's nothing. Look, Arville Reese, to be clear, is one of the coolest players in the whole draft. Like, he is incredible. Like, everything about him. He's an insane athlete. I'm not actually worried about him. No. I'm just worried about deployment and how teams are going to maximize him.

But if we're being honest, a lot of players, and the reason I want to bring him up is there's nothing specifically about Arnavel Reese that's concerning. Nothing. Right. What's concerning is how many players that we had zero doubts about their ability have not been very good. And, like, I'm not just talking about, like, Kyle Pitts. If you look at a good example is like, like, Chase,

young another guy from Ohio State that was probably more of a prototypical defensive end zero question like a bosa you know he yeah he was like that bosa bosa josea ys a line and it's like it was like joey bosa chase young nick both like all these guys are incredible chase young's fine like he's on the saints now he's probably the saint's best edge rusher but like Washington let him go and like he had some injuries but also he wasn't that good in washington he was kind of overrated and i think that you can look back there's a lot of guys it sneakily like all these guys that are like no doubt kind of hit more like two at a three times, three out of four,

then it's like 100%. And if we're being honest, anyone who I could genuinely play two positions has a risk of being screwed up by their team. I think actually Arvel Reese's highest upside is as a linebacker defensive end hybrid. I think that's like defensive player of the year category. Because if like the Seahawks got Arvel Reese,

I think he would genuinely be defensive player of the year in two years. If the Ravens got Arvel Reese with like Jesse Minter, if one of those people who are now trying to do like positionless defense could put him anywhere, the true answer is the same. for thing is to kind of stick him as a pass rusher and let him be, and like, let him drop sometimes, but like he's a pass rusher and like eventually can like be a free end, you know, instead

the D-N and kind of move over, do the Miles Garrett, Michael Parsons, I'll pretend to do a cross-up dribble over the center or something. But like, the reason I want to talk about him is just the idea that it's not crazy to me to think that the Jets are going to take Arval Reesit number two. And then Aaron Glenn's going to get fired at the end of the season. And then like the Jeff's going to bring someone else in. Yeah. And then they hire a different coach with a different defense with a different vision. And so whatever Aaron Glenn teaches Arvel Reese's let's just say they want to make him a normal defense event.

That's fine. And then like a new coach is like, no, Arville Reese, like they pitching Woody Johnson. And then they're like having him gain weight and then lose weight. Yes, exactly. Snip, snap, snap. Yeah.

You know the emotional toll it takes? The physical emotional toll. Dude, if you add, this is what the cow, I mean, Mazzie Smith is not succeeded with Dallas, but one of the reasons, Mazzie Smith, who was like the top of They didn't know what to do with him. He kept having a way. gain 10, lose 20, gain 20.

If you ask players, it's, that's not like normal people. It is so hard to gain 20 pounds of fucking muscle and maintain it during an NFL season. It's like so hard. So then the next coach from Aaron Glenn, is he going to be good? Well, if he gets fired and the new coach comes in, is like, oh, is a linebacker, D.N.

Like, gain the weight back. And it's, that to me is the answer. So Aaron Glenn was a defensive-minded coach. I mean, do you not trust that he would be able to get the best out of Ardell Reese? I think he's going to be fired, and a new coach will be there now. year. And I'm saying that's how players like this gets screwed up.

He's a lame duck coach for a year. It's the organization screws the player up because there's a different person with different, it's like any other company where it's like this goal matters, this metric matters. Nope, that metric matters. And people are, it's just like this slow. Jeff Bezos has talked about this at Amazon where he's like,

someone told him you have, you have just enough ideas to kill this company because Jeff Bezos was like not spacing. He was giving too many ideas at the same time. And then everyone was like scrambling trying to make everything happen. Not that the Jets are Jeff Bezos in Amazon, but it's more like. if the next head coach, the Jets hire after Aaron Glenn sucks,

and then he gets fired, is there a chance of Roveau Reese has not actually known what position to develop at? And again, I know I'm kind of extrapolating here, but like pull up any draft you want and you will find somebody that we said with lock, no doubt, is going to be great, that is like kind of meh.

And like usually go to bad teams. You know who kind of, this is not like a one-to-one comp or anything, but it kind of reminded me a little bit of it, is Leonard Floyd, who was a top-10 pick for the Bears back in 2016. And the talent was always, you know, super apparent.

He was very athletic, tall, long, and versatile type of guy. But it just didn't feel like the Bears ever really figured out exactly how to make him into a star. And then they ended up moving on from him. And he came over to the Rams and, you know, playing on a line with Aaron Donald and some other guys, he was able to kind of flourish. But it just kind of didn't feel like they ever had the right plan for him to turn him into a superstar that he could have been early on in his career. And this obviously very different type Not the same type of players exactly But it just kind of reminds me of where

When you have a quote unquote tweener type player And he's the definition of one because he played two positions in college I think that's just like a little bit worrisome Is like how is he going to be deployed by the coaches? I kind of think are over here should be a linebacker Yeah and the fact that we're even like there is a discussion because he's good at both spots You know he's one of the best tackling prospects. Ali Connolly who is a great substack

but he was like a linebacker scout said that Arvoree scott the highest grade he's ever given a player for tackling, which stood out to me from someone who's trained as a leadbacker scout. I mean, he's, he's so talented. So I'm not, I'm personally not like worried about him, but. I'm worried the Jets will fuck him. The NFL does this with some guys. Like it's just kind of crazy how they don't really know,

have a good plan, even though you take him so high in the draft. Sometimes that happens. Yeah. Okay. Are there any of the guys you want to hit D.K.? There's a couple injured guys. who might, basically, if they're healthy,

you think that they will, teams will reap the benefits like Jermad McCoy at Tennessee, the cornerbacker, Caleb Banks out of Florida, the defensive tackle? Yeah. Is that all injury-based? Like, if they can stay healthy, you think they'll be huge values?

Yes, I think, so Jermad McCoy, he got, I think he tore his ACL last January. So it's been over a year, still not working out, did not work out at the Combine, which was a surprise to a lot of people. And so now there's sort of like this question is he held,

the way getting in year one. Is he going to be able to play year one? I think if he had worked out of the combine and done well, ran really fast and did everything he was supposed to do, he's probably like a top 15 pick, maybe even higher. But now, I don't know what.

Like obviously it's up to teams and different medical, you know, staffs have different opinions on guys as we saw this with Max Crosby. So who knows where he'll go now? There's a chance he goes into the late part of the first round. Maybe he even falls further. We always see guys fall because of injury. Like it's always kind of a shocking thing on draft.

day where you're like, oh my God, this guy is so awesome and he's falling, falling, falling. That could be McCoy this year. Yeah, Will Johnson at Michigan was probably going to be the highest take the quarterback. He went in the second round, right? Yeah, and went in the second round. And Caleb Banks is another very fascinating one because, well, look, at the combine, before he got hurt, he broke his foot at the combine, I believe. That's all you need to say.

No one's thinking you. That's bad. Before he broke his foot, he was doing incredible shit. Like he was one of the most athletic big men we've seen in a really long time. But he was hurt for most of the 2025. And then he got hurt at the combat. Well, what did he have during the season?

He had a foot injury. Yeah. So this is a huge worry with a guy who's like, you know, 360 pounds or whatever it is, 350 pounds. When those feet, you have feet injuries, that's always a massive concern. You're 360 pounds. Yeah. You hurt your foot multiple times.

Like that's bad because even then you're leading on your other leg and it's like, yeah, it's a lot of. But if he can be healthy, if he can say healthy or get healthy and stay healthy, You know, the sky is the limit with that guy because he showed you the length and explosiveness and athleticism, movement skills. It's very scintillating for any team, but it's going to be a huge risk because you just might, you know, never be healthy. All right. So those are the riskiest players in this year's draft. What else is going on? You guys watching March Madness?

A little bit. Not a lot. Is your bracket busted? Oh, big time. Big time. No one's brackets are busted anymore because there's no Cinderella's anymore. And that's the sad truth of March Madness is the last two years

there's no Cinderella. This year the Sweet 16 every team is from a power conference. That's not true. Florida lost. The defending champions one seed lost in the second round. That's still a big deal. By Cinderella, I usually meet a mid-major, small schools. Iowa is it not a powerhouse

basketball school, but they are a power conference school. There is not one mid-major team in the Sweet 16. It's all power conferences. It does feel like NILs. And this is for the second straight year, two years in a row, only power conferences in this 16. It does feel like the way that mid-majors used to win was just having experience and like just the same group of guys there for a long time. Five pretty white dudes on Wichita State.

We've been playing together for four straight years who take down Kentucky. Now the second they notice a guy's good, he'll go get paid to play at like Texas A&M or something like that. However, what you sacrifice in the first two rounds you make up for in like the elite A and the five of four because the game is really good. Now you get like St. John's against Duke, which is cool. I do want to shout out, though, the Iowa game to Iowa to beat Florida. Yeah. That shot that Iowa made a three. Yeah.

To take, they were down two and they took a three to beat Florida. And I thought it was, it was like a picture perfect recreation of like the Ray Allen shot with the heat where he just backpedaled perfectly into. There's not that much space there. It almost looks bigger on TV. The space in the corner of the three point line to barely get your foot in. Well, you also have to, and you have to remember, these guys feet are fucking huge. Yeah. Like, it's funny to think...

Isaiah likely feet. We always joke about whether, like, we're like, oh, Craig's hottest take is he thinks he can make three of five threes in an NBA game if he got the, if he was wide-up. He's like, they wouldn't cover me and he can make three for five. The funniest part is kind of the same way of could I hit a fastball at the major league baseball. The real answer is you'd probably just fucking duck. Like, you wouldn't swing.

You would actually just like, like, flinch and like try not to look scared. Most people couldn't even take the shot. You would just step out of bounds because it's such. a small space. But I couldn't believe how how seen was that was. Great shot. Also, the follow-up play

to close the game by Florida was terrible. Oh, that was, that's a, we should rank maybe over the off-season sports X. Basketball teams,

when you have a chance to tie or win, not getting a shot up, is really high. Also, I got, the other really interesting game, the St. John's Kansas game,

which came down to the wire, was fascinating. I haven't seen this in a long time. I don't know if I've seen a team have this many fouls to give. Kansas had four fouls

to give St. and there was 15 seconds left in the game. Oh, wow. It's tied. St. John's has the ball. And Kansas basically had to like waste two seconds, foul St. John's. But don't let them, you know, try to get a shot off because then they would obviously get to shoot free throws.

So Bill Self and Kansas did actually a fantastic job of like strategically burning two or three seconds off the clock and fouling. And they got it all the way down to like two and a half three seconds left. And still St. John's got to the hole and had a game winning layout. So it was like perfect play from a fouling standpoint from Kansas. this in St. John still won. I was street for St. John's. Can we talk about the big white dude for St. Louis?

What's his name? Seven foot nine. Oh, no, you're talking about, oh, I thought you're talking about the Florida guy who's seven foot nine. You're talking about Cream Abdul-Jabbar. Cream Abdul-Jabbar. Cream Abdul-Jabbar. Also, Magic the Gathering Johnson.

Some of the people. There's so many good ones. There's Shane Gillis Alexander. Shane Gillis, Alexander. Some of the names are so fucking good for this guy. He's got incredible. passing talent, I got to say. Yeah, his name is Robbie Avila.

Yeah. I just enjoyed that part of the whole thing. Magic the Gavin Johnson. I saw some tweet that was like, this man has the greatest 12 points, five assists highlight I've ever seen in my life. And you watch him and he's a fucking magician out there. Cream Abdul Jafar.

By the way, I want to point out, I'm in first place in our bracket. What? If you go, look at it. Check it out. Wait. Out of the 7,000 people? 99th percentile.

You'll never be able to prove it's not me. Are you serious? It's someone named Danny Kelly. Oh, you're lying. You cheeky little bastard. It's not actually... Oh, someone named Danny Kelly made a bracket. Thank you for that.

You're making me look good. 99th percentile bracket right now is 560 points. This bracket's amazing. He's got Duke winning at all. You can check me at rank out of... There's 7,950 in the one that I joined. I know that we had two. but I am 5,456th.

I'm not doing so great. Dude, my dad once had a 99.9% sell bracket. I've never heard the end of it. So yeah, Danny Kelly, number one in the ringer bracket, no big deal. Thank you ever for joining.

Yeah. Wow, that's crazy. My bracket's fucked. I had Florida. Although we did talk about, it's so funny because Florida scored 144 in the first round. I'd never seen college basketball team score 144 points, I don't think.

And so they put Oliver, ruined the 7 foot 9 guy and me and my friends, honestly, instead of really locking in on the games, we kind of just talked about that guy being 7 foot 9 for like half an hour. He just came up with nicknames for the... He's just incredible.

You see the photo of him and Tracy Wilson? He's like two feet taller than Tracy Wilson. Dude, there was a photo of him next to a 6-8 guy, and it looked like his son. He was like, you big boy. Shout out to everybody who joined our bracket, by the way. We got 8,000 people.

which is pretty sick. My team is in the 43rd percentile. Forty-third? Mine's in the 35th, so I feel pretty good about it. This is the worst bracket I've ever had. I'm in 22 million. Which is funny because you could have just picked all the favorites, and it would have been pretty much fine.

It was a reminder that March Madness was like fantasy football. I picked High Point because I liked that the kid danced to the selection show. And 20 minutes before the game started, I changed it to Wisconsin because it was like, you can't pick a kid because he danced on the show. And then you know what? I should have because they won't. Yes, you can. And you know what?

I got to remember that. Like, don't, don't bring an analysis. Don't, don't let facts get in the way of your feelings when you're feeling in a bracket. Did you guys see that the Falcon signed Brian Robinson? So now they have, brilliant. They have Bejohn Robinson and Brian Robinson who only have one letter difference in their full name. There's a J swapped for an R. That is the only letter difference in their first and last name.

One letter. Oh, my God. So you're going to see B. Robinson. ATL now and millions of people are going to get screwed. Is Bijan gonna have to change the nameplay to like B-I? Or are they gonna care? They're gonna have to do something. Yeah.

Even an R and an I with the certain fonts don't look that different. I know. I don't know. Why would the Falcons care? I don't think matters to them. I don't know. They might not. I just was serious. Well, they don't want total confusion.

I, the numbers are gonna have to happen. They got numbers for a reason, all right? Yeah. No one's like reading the last name on the team. I. this is going to be great we got great emails one year from this guy who had drafted brian robinson by accident over bjohn robinson because i think on yahoo are saying it said b dot robinson yeah and then everyone made fun of it relentlessly and then like eight weeks in he

was like eight no because brian robinson was doing so well or something in bjohn is playing he had outscored bjohn i think and um yeah i this is just that's really funny also him replacing tyler al jira is just like whether we be you have they have a type yeah the only uh one Another piece of news, I want to talk about this flag football game. The first thing, I just want to mention Levanti David, the Bucs linebacker is retiring. And I wanted to acknowledge him because I think Levanti David is the best player I ever saw play football that is completely wholly unfamous. Yeah, it's not really in the discussion a lot for whatever reason.

Levanti David is the ratio of how good he was and how good his career was to how famous he is, is the biggest delta. He's a, he's a Hall of Famer. I think he's Hall of Fame. If he was on the Jets, if Levanti David was on the Cowboys, he would be electric. I mean, he made the all-decade team from 2010 to 2020. That's a real-ass team. Pull up the all-decade teams.

Those things are legit. And then there are a couple stats that I thought were amazing. I had in my notes from years ago, but through his first eight seasons, the only players in NFL history through eight years that had a thousand tackles, 20 sacks, and 10 interceptions, are Ray Lewis and Levanti David. Yeah. Like, incredible career. Also, only played on one team.

Bucks, whole career. One of the last one team guys, stuck around a shape. Eddie Bucks team and then what a Super Bowl when Tom Brady came and then they had that good defense for a long time. And I also wanted to note ESPN had this one. Levante David is one of just three players to have 40 sacks and 35 takeaways in their career. The only other guys

do that are Ray Lewis and Brian Racker Lacker who were just Hallfamers. And then the good company. He tells his 1700 tackles. The list of guys who have 1700 tackles are Derek Brooks is a hallfamer for the Bucs. Ray Lewis is a Hall of Famer. Junior Sayre is a Hallfamer. Bobby Wagner will probably be a hallfamer. Zach Tom is a hallfamer and the

London Fletcher. So it's yeah. Levanti David, cool career. We never talked about him once. He's a perfect, he's a good guy to talk about during the draft process because he's one of the sort of all-time examples of don't look at the measurables or the athleticism. Just look at how fucking good he is at football because he came out of Nebraska. My dad's a huge Nebraska fan. And I just remember at the time, like he's just, he's not that big. He's 6-1, 233 coming out of college and didn't run all that fast.

like he was just kind of an average athlete, but he just had the most insane rare instincts that you've ever seen. He's just always around the ball, always knew exactly where the ball was going. Just an absolute natural playmaker. And I think he's kind of just one of the all-time sort of examples of that. Like sometimes the, I mean, he was a late second rounder. And I think is mostly because of the size and the speed limitations. A good lesson for us all. Take linebackers who, when they hit people, the people go backward. He's so freaking natural. He's just instinctive.

Speaking of size and speed limitations, dude, watching the flag football fanatics championship thing? You watched it today, Craig? I have been way down to talk to guys. Okay. Give us the scouting report on what happened. So first laid out, what happened? NFL players got their asses kicked.

Yeah, there are three teams. The team USA team, the team that's going to be in the Olympics, we think, which is like the guys who actually do this for a living versus, two teams that were comprised of mostly NFL players and then like influencers like Logan Paul. It was mostly NFL though. It was like one team at Tom Brady, the other team at Burrow, like Stefan Diggs was there,

like John Miller was there. It's better than that. I mean, the team that made the championship quote unquote against the team USA was Joe Burrow, Jane Daniels, Devonte Adams, Sequin Barkley, DeAndre Hopkins, Odell, and Kyle Eusecheck. And then the defense was like Luke Keekley,

Jalen, Ramsey, Harrison, Smith, and then Logan Paul. But yeah, this is the whole thing. It's like five-on-five flag football. to promote the Olympics in two years. And it was supposed to be in Saudi Arabia because it was Fanatics getting a check from Saudi Arabia and then obviously they're not

able to go there right now. So it was in L.A. It was at where the soccer stadium in L.A. Team USA kicked the shit out of the NFL players. Dude, the flag football players who were all 5 foot 4 or 5 for 5. Honestly, that guy, remember that quarterback came out was like, I'm better for

flight football for America. I would represent America better than Patrick Mom's in flag football. And I got to tell you, we have made Don't go back and listen to our podcast when we discussed this. We made so much fun of these guys. We owe them an apology. Like the shack to Christian Wood, he's like, I apologize.

I was not familiar with your game. Yeah. Dude, some of the shit that they're doing on the field reminds me of the laser guy from Oceans of 12 or whatever. Yeah. They're like going through a laser field. The way that they're moving is so funny.

The night fox. Yeah. Night Fox. I think that was his name, the French guy. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, look, it's two ways. Basically, yeah, the flag football guys know how to play flag football and are trained. Their body types are completely different.

They're all like skinny and short and shifty. And they're basically dancing out there. The way they move their hip's too. Their break dance fighting. The way they can, like their hips can avoid getting flag pulled is very unique. And then you have like brute NFL players who are just like running into people. With that said, I don't know. If you gave that lineup I just listed two years to practice and learn the rules,

I still would be dubious. I mean, the championship game, the Burrough team lost the team USA. It was like 2414. Well, they didn't get a stop. The flag football team, they scored on like every position in all three games. They did, they did. But I don't know. Part of me is like these NFL players just showed up.

They barely know the rules. They had no scheme. Burrow was drawn up place on his hand like Terry Bradshaw in the 70s. Like they were just making shit up. The other team had a full strategy. They were not completely making shit up. Sean Payton and Tom Brady's team had a wristband with 40 plays. And Sean Payton's on a headset calling in plays to Tom Brady.

He's like, hold on, hold on. I got to get little Jordan Humphrey out here. Burrow, in the majority of the game, Burrow is like huddling everybody together. And he's like, okay, DeVante, you're going to do this. You go deep. Sequan, you're going to do a curl right here. Like, they're just making shit up. And then the flag football team is like, flash, flash, flash.

And they're like, wait, whoa, who's the flash? Like, Flash, hybrid, X. And then like, they do it. Hot round. They have two quarterbacks, and so they're throwing, and it makes so much sense. They're playing like hot potato. It actually looked like, you ever seen like Women's the Cross? They have their shock clock trying to kill the clock.

Like they're just like having a lateral on either side, ends of the field. And so if their passers or get some, they just lob it over. And they have only three guys downfield but two quarterbacks playing Paddycake. And the moment they all rushed, then the quarterback just takes off. They were like quite literally running circles around these guys. Like Von Miller, who is old, got left in the fucking dust by one of these guys. and they're all miced up. So he runs by and he was like, he's gone.

Like he dead. Like it was like actually like they were bare. Luke Kinkley was cooked. It looked like it looked like people trying to chase chickens out there. It was. It was like here's the thing. Mike the headless chicken. I think it's easy to say, well, it's a different sport.

They're built to hit people. Sure. Yeah, I know. And I agree with Craig. Like the, if all these NFL players took it seriously and trained for a year, they would be better, sure. I was still shocked by the degree

to which these men absolutely fucking dominated the NFL players. Like, it was so uncompetitive. Tom Brady had that one cool highlight to Stefan Diggs in the corner. They couldn't do anything. Again, they couldn't stop them on D. They could not move the...

Like, it was... I was actually a little shocked. And maybe that's the thing with the Olympics is, you know what? We have a problem, boys, because we should not send the cool NFL players to the Olympics. We should send these guys,

but the NFL is going to want the players of the Olympics because the goal is not to win for the NFL is not to win a gold medal in flag football. The goal is to get the NFL popular in other countries by putting Joe Barrow and Patrick Jones on their television. And after watching this, I'm like, if we send NFL players, we're going to fucking lose.

Do you see Joe Brough's getting like hit hard a couple times in this game? I think God, no giant. I feel like teams are going to put an, like they're going to nix this going forward. They're like, no, you can't go out there. Burrow took hits. Because here's the thing, one, the injury risk, Gronk was fine. He caught a touchdown.

Grunk, then the edges of the, they had real grass, but the edges were artificial turf. So then he fell down. Then he got up and put his leg onto the artificial turf and slipped. And he plays fine. The real, I think the real takeaway from this, though. Tom Brady can still play? Well, that too. He could.

Fucking sign him up. Get him back out here. Jalen Hertz was horrible. Oh, yeah. I got to tell you, I have in the off season, I got in a huge argument. One of my friends who listens to show, Sean, he's a huge Eagles fan and he actually could have been

like a legit college football offensive lineman but he had like he had like a back coach didn't put him in but we have huge arguments about Jailen Hertz and then at the end of this the fanatics game happens and I just start setting him all these fucking clips

of Jalen Hertz one getting sacked by the flag football guys How many picks did he throw? One pick six but worse he got sacked by Logan Paul That sucks. Did you see Jalen Hertz gets sacked by Logan Paul? I did. I will say Jalen Hertz,

I think made the best throw of the entire tournament to Devante Smith, which was very, very good. Okay. Just saying. He was sacked. I'm just saying, I actually was amazed to see it in like distilled form. Jalen hearts has so little wiggle in the pocket.

Yeah. I just, I don't know. I don't know. I football is the worst sport for him. It really showcases his like, Like stiff hips. You know what? You gotta be able to run to the, throw on the run.

No push push. Dude, Tom Brady was so much more limber than Jalen Hertz. It was so concerning. Brady also had like a, like the wrist playbook. Like he was out there really dialed in. Burrow was kind of out there like winging it. Brady was fucking dialed and they lost. Brady, well, Brady won.

He doesn't have anything to do. This is the only thing he's got. You know what I mean? It's like this is Burrow actually has a season to play. Brady's like this is his last shot. And you know what was tough for Brady? Brady's out there. playing, right? Which means, you know, because this is on Fox. You know who's announcing

Burkhart, KB, but with Greg Olson. Oh, no. And they were great together. Olson was really good and locked in. What is Fox doing? They took it kind of seriously. Like, Olson and Burkart were having fun, but they were also like, you know, like, leaning in and pretending like this was a real game and like giving analysis. They actually like taught you the rules pretty smartly. And I was just like, man, this is better than Brady and This is a horrible. What is this like fucking, what's that show where they just, it's like a bachelor's show or whatever, but it's like way more spicy.

There's a bunch of them. You're probably, love island or something? Yeah, Love Island. It's like a Love Island. Oh, a bombshell is into. Paring people up. You shouldn't be pairing together. There's too much sexual chemistry over here.

Dude, it really was. Because Brady treated the game like his Super Bowl, like he was really prepared. But Greg Olson, he came out firing and he was just like, yeah, so just to remind everyone. So it's like 50 yard field, 25 is the midfield. that each team starts number five and he was like the difference I'm not really sure if these NFL players

are prepared for our shift and he just had like a two minute breakdown on why he thought they were getting their asses kicked yeah he can only go by it he just is always on one speed he was on the clock management for the fucking flag football he was trying to come up with advanced analytics

on the spot he was like maybe you actually just play the two point conversion and maybe it's like they score six you score eight every time and like you almost allow them to score because you know that you can get the two point conversion and stop them because inside the 10,

it becomes more like traditional football where the NFL guys can actually have an advantage. This is, fuck. This was like watching you guys break down hurling on the first time you watched it. The first one, we didn't know one rule walking in. And by the second game,

three hours in, Craig is just like, this scoreboard's wrong. And flagging down the ref. That you were right. Anyway, I, I think flag football is going to work. I was entertained, just the point. I actually had way, it was fun to watch these random guys

kicked the shit out of them. Oh, my takeaway was, man, tackle football is so much more fun to watch. Like, I was like, this is a cool idea for the Olympics and it'll be fun to watch. Maybe professional, like, NFL players do it. But, like, I would never turn on a flag football game. But you didn't like the pros versus Joe's element of it where like, oh, my God. Like, I know these guys practice it all the time. And the NFL guys don't.

They're just getting a check because it was supposed to be in Riyadh. It was supposed to be a lot of money. I get that. Having said that, I was just surprised to learn, I guess, how many more people there are out there than I think that can like pretty effortlessly catch Alvin Camara's flag. Yeah. They didn't make it look very hard. Well, like, are you going to, if that, if the team USA, if those guys were in the fantasy

football, I mean, the flag football league that was on television every week. Are you watching that? No. I like the element that was cool was the NFL players playing them. And I'm concerned because like, I think we will send NFL players and we will lose. Like an organized group of guys from a different country. if they play it all the time, I think my takeaway was they will be NFL players

because they're not, like the NFL players will not win the gold medal. It will be fascinating if we just... Is this like the dream team versus like when they used to send just college players or whatever? Yeah. Yeah, but here's think, but the NFL,

you need famous players to do this. Like what is the point? Whatever. Well, you also have to cast the right guys. Like, like, dudes... Tyree Kill and Lamar would win. Well, and like Garrett Wilson, these like really shifty guys

who can maybe like, they kind of match the body types of the flag football guys like you gotta pick the right people honestly the most the best person ever at the sport if they weren't such a pretty good well do you know who the if they weren't such a shit head was he a quarterback or I thought he was playing like receivers

he did two-time quarterback you can have two quarterbacks if you want and Burrow and him were sharing Cadarious Tony would be the best player oh he'd be fucking ever fuck where is he there's Tony and honestly he's probably not too busy right now Cadarist Tony could actually throw like that's like he actually is an arm

Oh, that's true. Caderstony, there were points where Gaderas Tony could throw it further than Daniel Jones. Odell would be really good. O'Dell was playing in this. Oh, okay, there we go. He was good. Yeah.

Okay. Anyway, I just, I, Eagles fans who are angry at me about the Gailin-Herts thing, I know, but I'm like, look, he got tackled by Logan Paul, and I'll never get over that. So there was no one there. Never fucking get over it.

It's like, the biggest ick. He got, he tried. The problem was he tried, and it didn't work. He didn't just be like, oh, you got me. It was like, I'm going to spit out of this. Anyway.

Logan Paolo has the benefit of being able to take steroids. Fair. It's a good point. Emails, I want to just remind people to vote for this nurse, Tyler Tenaguchi, to throw out the first pitch of this Mariners game on May 5th

because his wife who thinks our podcast is weird emailed and asked for help. And so, and he seems like a good guy makes his breakfast for his wife every day for five years. So that link is in the episode description. Vote for Tyler. And I think we can actually vote

every day. So we should just vote right now. That's big news. Yeah, just vote for Tyler. Okay. A couple emails. Okay, I wanted to talk about a few days ago, I was gobsmacked, or a few episodes ago, I was gobsmacked because we talked about how Pat Riley was drafted by the Dallas

Cowboys. Correct. 11th round, 12th round? Despite playing college basketball only. I love that. And I just, I couldn't believe. And like, the whole world of what teams used to do with these, like, long drafts and everything was fascinated to me.

So we got a bunch. Someone pointed out to me, and I'm sorry, I've lost your name and how you contacted me, and I apologize. I didn't write it your name down. I'm sorry. Make something up. Elbone. Elbone.

Nice. All right. In 1964, in the second round, so the famous GM Tech Schramm, who's running the Cowboys, the second round, the Cowboys, do you know how long? The Cowboys took six hours to make their pick in the second round. Because Tech Schram wanted to fly a doctor to Oregon to examine this guy, Mel, Renfro's knee. And then they invented the NFL combine.

And then they invented the compound. So in the middle of the draft, he's like, hold on. And they flew a doctor to Oregon. Wow. There was no timer on the draft? Wow. Apparently not. We didn't think things through.

You know what? We just kind of did. Flying by the seat of your pants. It's like term limits. They were like, yeah, we don't need to write it down. And they were like, super need to write it down. This is from Josh. Josh.

Jaybone. Josh's breakfast was a slate protein latte and apple cinnamon oatmeal. What is a slate protein latte? I assume that's either a brand or a coffee shop. Okay. It's probably a protein. It's a brand. So Josh says,

Craig talked about some of the big swing draft picks the Cowboys have made, which led to us talking about how many rounds there are. There's a famous pick taken by the Buffalo Sabres in the 1974 National Hockey League draft. At the time, the NHL draft was very long, very slow, phone and process, almost no media coverage. So for context, the NHL draft now has seven rounds, like the NFL. But at the time, the NHL draft had 25 rounds.

Wow. And in the 11th round of 1974, Buffalo drafted a center named Taro Sujimoto from the Tokyo Katanas of the Japan Ice Hockey League. Okay. And the NHL process of the pick and then weeks go by. And the Buffalo Sabres, I guess at the league meeting, announced that there was no Taro Sujima. There is no Tokyo Katana's team and there is no Japan ice hockey league.

There's not even a league. And they made it and they took the guy as a joke to make everyone realize we should make the draft shorter. None of you even noticed. No one noticed for weeks. And they made their point and then they initial shorten the draft. That's such a petty move. Like that happens all the time. I feel like like people do that now to this day.

It's like, oh yeah, you saw the movie. What was your favorite character? just making it that's fucking amazing they're like there is no hockey league in Japan and all the other teams were too afraid to point it out and the best part is this guy became this fake person that was invented

and it's now a cult legend in Buffalo his name is still on the draft list of like the history of these Buffalo Sabers you can buy his jersey and if you ask there are still people in Sujimoto jerseys at Buffalo Sabers games that's fucking cool and the Buffalo Sabers inducted him to their Hall of Fame

Dude, that's great. The decision to take this player was made by Sabres General Manager Punch Inlock. Shut the punch! Like the monkey in the zoo. Punch Imlock. Was he a real person either?

Is it like layers to this? He appears to be real. Oh, damn. Punch Imlock. Craig, you got to do that punch imlock is just... You know what? That's the next one. We did all these players, old baseball players.

Send us the names of coaches with crazy. names. Punch. Coaches from all these different. Punch. And the Cowboys Giamu did. It was named Tex.

Oh my God. Punch. Love it. How did he get his nickname? Not sure. Could be anything. Craig, this needs to be a new thing. I think that, you know,

in the rewatchables, Craig's big thing is make movies shorter. Right. This is to make draft shorter. And so we should get you a Sujimoto jersey. I would love one. I would, if we do a live show around the draft

I'll wear it. Oh, hell yeah. We'll get them a Sigi motor, Jersey. The other one, I just Matt emailed in M-Bowdy. M-Bone. He said he immediately jumped at the Puckerbutt pepper company mentioned because I mentioned the hot sauce pepper puckermut. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Apparently, Puckerbutt invented the Carolina Reaper, the hottest pepper in the world. And then now they invented the newest hottest pepper in the world, which is called Pepper X. Like when you say invent, like genetically engineered it. Yeah, what? Apparently. Like they're in the lab making new peppers.

I was shocked to learn this as well. Your scientists were so enamored with the idea that you could do it. They never asked if they should. Your butt was so worried about whether you could do it. We need to direct our minds on other issues. We're good on hot peppers, I think. By the way, the Puckerbutt pepper company, I was talking about the logo and how it's a, it's flames in a circle.

Okay. I was kind of insinuating this, but my buddy who is in marketing, shout out JJ, sent me this and said basically, that's the ring of fire. that we're talking about. Sure, yeah. Red ring of death. That's very provocative, evocative, if you will,

of your burning butthole. D-K., are you familiar with the term red ring of death? Oh, man. That's a real, like, that's a real SpongeBob millennial thing. That's like, yeah, that is like the good glorious bastards three fingers. I'm like, oh, you played Xbox? What's the red ring of death? Is that like where it turns off and never turns back on or something?

If there was a, if your Xbox showed the red ring of death, it was a sign that it was a, an unfixable Xbox. It was a very specific manufacturing problem that Xbox had for the Xbox 360 at time where they were crazy expensive and like you couldn't replace them. Like you'd go to school the next day and be like, guys,

disaster. Last night, Red Ring of Death, it's over. I need to go to your house. Okay. One more email. We'll get out of here. Okay. Sure. So this is from Raphael. Raphael. Arbonne.

This is my name is Rafa. I'm from Brazil. I came across a new guessing game for the pod. Nice. It was not my idea. So props to the allegedly speaking podcast. I guess he put this from the idea of it. It is a podcast called allegedly speaking. So I guess I'm ripping them off via Raphael and he's our middleman. But he lifted some examples from them and added a few ones. So shout out to this allegedly speaking podcast. And Raphael says the game is pretty straightforward. And obviously it's similar to all the ones we've been doing of Coachella Band or Pokemon. Is this a luxury candle scent or a celebrity's baby name?

That's good. Rafi, this is some of your best work. Allegedly speaking. Luxury candle sent or a celebrity baby's name. Wow. I'm already trying to think. Okay. I can't wait for this.

Genuinely. This is the most excited I've been in weeks. Shout out to allegedly speaking. Okay. In weeks. First up here, luxury candle sent or celebrities baby name. Sage Moonblood.

Fuck. That's a celebrity name. Moonblood makes me think. Sage Moonblood. Celebrity baby name. Okay. Do you have the celebrity? That is Sylvester Stallone's son. Nice. Sage Moon. Oh, I was thinking daughter.

Sage Stallone? Cool name. Okay. Amber Noir. Candle. I think it's got to be. I'm going to say celebrity name. It is a candle scent. Amber, what is it? Amber noir.

Amber noir. Eternal Jasmine. God, if this is a celebrity name, I'm going to be gobsmacked. I'm going to guess candle. Same. I think they want you to guess candle. I think they do too. Eternal Jasmine.

I'm going with my gut. It's a candle sent shit. Yeah, yeah. It does. Sounds. I blew it. It sounds lovely. It sounds lovely.

I blew it. Winter mercy. Winter mercy? That's a name. A celebrity. I think it's a Sleb, too. It's Alonis Morset's son

is Winter, Mercy. I would have said, girl. Winter, kind of a cool name. Yeah. Winter mercy. Bear Blaze. Has to be a celebrity.

Yeah. What the fuck is the scent then? You're a burning bear. Kate Winslet's son is named Bear Blaze? Braid. Or I guess I don't know what her husband's last name is. That's crazy.

All right. What is it? Who she married to? No, I don't know. Okay. Candle Center celebrity baby name. Scarlet Rose. This one's a tough one.

That's hard. I'm going to go with celebrity. Same. There has to be a candle named Scarlet Rose. Probably, yes. Like, even if it says celebrity name, like there has to be a candle

somewhere named Scarlet Rose. I'm going to candle. Fuck, it's Sylvester Stallone's daughter. Fuck, yeah. I'm perfect so far. God damn it. Craig just buys more candles and knows more celebrities than I.

Sunday Rose Sunday Rose God damn it did sometimes people send these in and they fade as they know I'm gonna say candle I think it's celeb

I'm going candle I'm going back to the well it's Keith Urban and Nicole Kidman's daughter his name's Sunday Rose fuck bang bang Lira Antarctica

Jesus Christ Lira and Arctica Lira Antarctica. Sleve name. I'm going to go celib. Yeah, it's Ed Shearant's daughter. Lira, Antarctica. Okay.

Is that where she was conceived? This is like a Taysam Hill thing? Is that what has... Is Taysen Hill's name? Because he was conceived in Taysam? Yeah, he was conceived in Tassum Rotary Park. In, like, Provo or something. Really?

No, actually, I don't know if that's the official... story, but he's named after that park. Rotary Park. I don't know if he was conceived in the park. That was my assumption. But yeah. Tayom Rotary Park. Pocatello, Idaho. Yeah. Taysam Rotary Park. It's a nice park. Anyway.

If anyone here is listening to the show and you're in this park right now, I want you to email immediately. If you're a celebrity and you're famous, super, super famous, Your kids already, you know, might get bullied for being like a whatever. Maybe just name them something normal. Baccarat Rouge. Backerat? Backerat?

Like the game. Like the game. Rouge? Like the color? French. Moulin Rouge. I mean, what scent is that? I'm going with a celeb.

Candle. That is a candle sense. Yes. Damn it. It's like a smell of a casino. It's like cigarettes and booze. Or maybe we're talking like a high class backer at where it's Mahogany many leatherbound books.

Thank you to Raphael for that incredible list. Thank you to allegedly speaking for letting us steal that. Thank you to. Thank you to Carlos. Thank you to Cam. Thank you to Abu. Thank you to Austin. Thank you to everyone for listening.

Thank you to everyone who votes for Tyler Tenaguchi. We're going to get him to the first pitch of this Marinus game. We're doing this. Tyler, here's a deal. You have to practice. this the first pitch. Like, if we send you out of here and we get you on this first pitch of the Mariners game in May, and you bounce that shit to home plate. Stinky cheese, we need the high heat. I would love, I would love to throw the first pitch out of the game. Do you think I can

throw the first pitch out of the Dodgers game? How do they, do they let anyone do that? Is there like once a year they just let like a fan do it? Well, I mean, I think, why don't you go to nursing school? I want, I want, if he wins this, he's actually done something with his life. Why would they let me do it? Because you're famous. You're the most, you're the third most famous Craig I know. You know? Craig Knight. Craig Knight?

There's 81 opportunities a year. Can I get one of them? We'll work on that. Email us if you can help us get Craig to throw out the first pitch in the I think the requirement for this for this guy, if he wins the first pitch thing, he has to throw it as hard as he fucking can. Oh, that's a great. Here's the thing, though.

I don't care if you airmail it into the fourth row. I would legitimately practice for a month. Oh, yeah. You got it. So are you going to do how much pitching motion are you going to? to do. I would do a full wind-up. Yeah, full wind-up. I think you got to do like over the head. Dude, I was a pretty good picture as a kid. I would like, I would go back to my roots. I would try to get, I'd try to sign with the team after that. I kind of feel like Craig would do like

the Dennis Eckersley, like the submarine pitch where it's like rising. For some reason I see you doing that. I'm Southpaw too. Oh my God. Impossible to hit that. Timothy Shalman could up in 90. Fucking Randy Johnson over here. Of course you didn't see it. Of course you chased it. Curb on the dirt. Strike two, you chased. Of course you did. Thank you, Lauren.

Lord. Thank you, the dare. The dare? Yeah. You know that song like, I like the girls who do drugs? I don't know if there's a controversy around this song or not, but... I don't know that song.

Pretty good song. Formerly known as Turtlenecked. The band is called The Dare? No, it's just the band that sounds like a guy. It's just one guy. It's a guy. It's like the edge. Oh, the guy's...

The guys named the dare and the song. He produced a song by Charlie X-C-X. Wow, Worlds Clyde. He made guess. I just mentioned Charlie X-TX. I did not know the connection here. Instead, he later moved to Portland and he attended Lewis and Clark College. I got to tell you, I feel like I don't, I feel like Lewis and Clark, we don't talk about them enough.

Like the explorers and the college. I don't know as much about them as I should. There's a, yeah, there's a book about their trip, and I'm trying to remember. the name of it. It was by shit. My brother told me about the book. David Ambrose, I think, is the guy who wrote D-Day or whatever. It sounded really interesting. And my brother told me about it, and then I never read the book.

Apparently, it's just like 95% of it is them going across the country, getting a bunch of STDs. So that's, that actually makes me want to read the book. I don't want to hear about that. I'm very curious how that went. No, this is how you get guys to go on a cross-country trip when there's very little prospect of surviving is apparently there's a lot of sex on the way. Jeez.

So, yeah. It's a good point though, Hyvetts. I feel like everyone knows them by name, but that's kind of as far as it goes. And Sakajua. The most famous Oregon Trail thing is the game. Yeah. Yeah, it's like Sacchia seems like she did all the work, didn't really get much credit. We put her on a coin like 200 years after she died, kind of a raw deal.

And then I couldn't tell you anything else. the only part I remember is that Thomas Jefferson sent them us on the trip and he thought they'd find Willie Mammoths He thought they were still alive But the idea that they didn't know what the fuck was out there Anyway, all right You guys are just looking down and scrolling

So I'm gonna- I was trying to find this book Sorry, I was trying to oh it's called Undaunted Courage is the name of the book If you're interested in SDDs On the Oregon Trail Stephen E. Ambrose That'll be the pot announcement If you're interested, undaunted courage

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