The Ringer NFL Show - Round 1 Reactions: Falcons Tilt for Penix, Maye In New England, and the Vikings Land McCarthy

Episode Date: April 26, 2024

The guys share their instant reactions to the most exciting picks and trades from the first round of the 2024 NFL draft! They unpack the Falcons’ shocking decision to reach for Michael Penix Jr., the Vikings trading up for J.J. McCarthy, the Bears leveling up their offense with Caleb Williams and Rome Odunze, the historic lack of defensive players, and much more (1:51). Michael Penix Jr. to the Falcons (2:13) The Vikings trading up for J.J. McCarthy (13:31) Jayden Daniels vs. Drake Maye (26:39) The Bears pairing Caleb Williams with Rome Odunze (35:01) Xavier Worthy landing in Kansas City (43:18) What are the 49ers doing with their WR room? (50:03) One sentence reviews on our favorite teams’ first-round picks (63:29) Who won (and lost) Round 1? (69:35) Check out our 2024 Ringer NFL Draft Guide here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Craig Horlbeck, and Ben Solak Guest: Austin Gayle Social: Kiera Givens and Jack Sanders Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And, DK, you just finish your draft grades. Right. we're going to get to all that. This was an insane draft. This was honestly unbelievable. So most offensive players ever to start a draft. 14 straight offensive players is actually the most at any point in the first round ever. Most quarterbacks in round one since 1983,

which is like when Dan Marito and people went. It was 30 for 30 about it. Most quarterbacks in the top 12 ever, six for 12 of the six of the top 12 picks of quarterbacks. Wild. Never happened before. Longest stretch without a defensive back since 1995, which none of these kids have been born. But only one place to start.

DK. America's favorite segment. Panda Watch. Wow, dude, some pandas. Pandas came out. There were more of their caves. There were more pandas. The pandas had babies.

We did it. Against all odds. They were endangered. They're no longer embarrassing us. What a day for Panda Watch. It is like the end of the movie, isn't it? It's like, oh, so, all right. Falcons take Michael Panix Jr.

Hell yeah. Eighth overall, which is fitting because I think he was in college for like eight years. So maybe that's... But Ben Sulek, when the Falcons took Michael Pennix, that wasn't that good. It was good. It was fine.

No, no, that was good. That was good. The words, I wrote it down, the words you said, where your honest to God's first reaction was, Pennex to Atlanta at 8 is one of the worst draft picks

I can ever remember. Yeah, man. You walk in that back? I think, I'll say this. It's certainly one of the most shocking graphics I can remember. And I definitely don't think it's good. I'm definitely more on the side of bad

than good. I'm the side of worse than great. The thing is like, it's hard to completely, you know, say, oh, this is the most terrible pick on a selection that is, hey, like, we're trying to protect our future a quarterback. We're trying to have a developmental guy behind our aging and injured starter. Like that, like, that wisdom is good wisdom. Like, I understand the nuggets of that wisdom.

Now, the guy who drafted is old. The guy who drafted is injured. You spent eight overall to do it. Yeah, I've been to the playoffs since 2016. You had other holes in the roster. You could have traded back. There's other developmental prospects. Like, there's a myriad number.

The core of the logic being, let's invest in QB2, that's sound. The other teams that were doing that were, like, Jordan loved the Packers at 26 after they'd already established, like, a healthy team and developmental system, and they'd been to Super Bowls and they'd been to the playoffs. And, like, that was fine. The Eagles at 53 with Jalen Hertz, they spent a second round pick, right? Like, that pick is fractions valuable, what eight overall is.

Well, this is what Rahim Morris actually said in the post-draft presser. Who's Rihim-Mor? Oh, Rahim-Morris. Head coach. Morris, the Falcons head coach, when they were talking about this pick, they said the Green Bay model was something we talked about. It proved to be right last year. Hopefully we'll find, hopefully we'll be right with them. But like this is so different. Right. Exactly.

It's overall. But could they really have traded down? Because it sounds like now a lot of teams are interested in quarterbacks. But we're bearing the lead here. The Falcons signed Kirk Cousins to a deal for a four-year deal for $180 million like a month ago. 100 guaranteed. So 180's fake. But two years for $90 million, extremely real. It's 100, isn't it, technically? Yeah, 100. It depends because guaranteed.

It relax and later. It'll be 100 by the time they cut him or release him. And so that's the thing. So the thing that was, there was this incredible video that was going around of Arthur Blank, who owns the Falcons, like walking up to the general manager of the Falcons Terry Fonton and it was like, they're just having like this heated discussion. And it's like Arthur Blank, like it guaranteed money. There's this weird rule.

If there's guaranteed money in players contract, you have to put that money in escrow. So Arthur's, Arthur Blank had to put $100 million. in escrow a month ago. And then now they just took a quarterback with the eighth. The Falcons are, this is one stat that Hyvissom have, the Falcons are the first team of history to pay a quarterback $45 million and then take a different quarterback eight overall a month later. That's actually never happened before.

A lot of people think, oh, that's happened before? No, it actually hasn't happened before NFL history. Also, like, the shocking thing here is they took Michael Pennix with J.J. McCarthy still on the board. J.J. McCarthy is the guy that, you know, this podcast we've talked about a lot of times. He's sort of more of a developmental guy. He's 21 years old. He's the type of player.

You can sit on the bench for two years, get him really ingrained in the offense, get him ready to go starting in two years. And then my boy, Rahim watched Texas Washington and was like, I came here to lead, how to read. The other thing is also, again, going back, we like the Green Bay model.

Man, the Green Bay model is all about stability. Right. The head coach and the general manager made that selection pretty, pretty confident that they're going to be around for when that guy eventually takes snaps, right? Terry Fontenow, this is your first. fourth year as a general manager of the Atlanta Falcons. This is his fourth draft. So in the fourth overall pick

on Kyle Pitts, but the eighth overall pick on Drake London, the eighth overall pick on Bejohn Robinson. We got to get him on a fantasy pod. I know. I actually, he had the guy. Eight first rounders on offense. My favorite gym. First rounders on this offense in Atlanta.

But your point, the Jordan. Madden. But to your point, though, the Jordan Love model. Jordan Love is 25 years old right now. Michael Pennix turns 24, like, in two weeks. Right. And you say, like, why does that matter?

Because if and when we get to the point where Pennix enters a developmental stage in his career. Like, all right, like, Kirk plays for two years. We're moving on from Kirk. We're now going to see what Pennix has. And then Pennix walks out there and Pennix is good. Holy smokes. Like, Pennix is the guy.

Like, we got this. Great. All right. Now I am for a couple more years under contract. By the time you're there to sign the second deal on Pennix, if all of this works out. This is if all of this works out. It's already 29.

28, 29. With two torn ACLs, two season-ending shoulder. To be honest, I'm like, whatever. Okay, but here's the thing. If you had drafted JJ, he would have been 24, 25. But if they see Michael Penix is better. You're getting a whole other contract. But if the whole point is investing in QB2

and the whole point is development, then the value of the investment is very heavily predicated on the amount of time you get out of it, right? It's like investing in retirement. Do it 15 years instead of five years. Like if you're going to spend eight overall to secure quarterback of the future, an extra four years of the future is hugely valuable.

The flip side, I'd say, is... I don't know why I'm defending them, but I am. Well, no, no, I was a good bit. No, defending it makes sense because you're like, everyone thinks it's dumb and those things usually work. Well, I don't know. It's just like, it's not like the same player. It's like if they like Michael Pennix more, okay, yeah, he's going to be 24 years old soon.

But it's like, if you like him more, you should take him. I agree with that. And I think if they'd take it McCarthy, I would have been like, three months ago, everybody hated McCarthy. Everybody was like, why has McCarthy even been considered a top 10 pick? And then by the end, it was like, oh, he should go fifth. I agree with every part of this except, why did you sign Kirk Cousins? You could have just not done that and just taken Michael Pennex.

And that's the part of this I can't understand is that if, if, if, they liked him this much, it is April, what day is today? April 25th, the perfect date from Miss Congeniality. April 25th. We were all thinking that. We were all thinking that. It was the first thing. All you need is a light jacket. All you need is a light jacket.

But, they signed Kirk Cousins on like what, March our birthday, March 18th or whatever, March 16th. What? Five weeks. What is, where did his discussion go? I wish there was a office camera when I cut the gym of all of us

just like looking like, what is this guy doing? Anyway, what I'm saying is If they liked Michael Pennox enough now To take him at 8 on April 25th Okay I assume they liked him that much five weeks ago So why the fuck did they give Kirk Cousins A hundred million dollars guaranteed

If they had an idea They would take Michael Pennix at 8 And if they didn't have an idea How did they change their mind later? Michael Pennix clearly they think He needs time to heal all his wounds In a couple years He got hurt in like two years

No but the argument for Penix is he got hurt but hey the last two seasons were incredible and he can play now. The threat of the needle of we're going to take penics, we believe in him, and he can just sit behind Kirk Cousins. It's like, what the, I don't know, that part is insane. Take Kirk and McCarthy or just take penics.

Was this your lowest draft grade of the day? Yes. I will say, preface this with, I just thought it was a really confusing pick. This isn't even necessarily like me hating on penics. I like penics. I thought he should have been a first-arm pick. I predicted yesterday that he would be a first-round pick.

So I kind of thought all along the NFL was going to like him a little bit more than maybe we do here. But the reason I gave him D-mius because it was super confusing, I just don't really understand the logic on this. But at the same time, I do kind of feel like this is something that's been developing over last year. Teams are getting weird about quarterbacks, especially if you look at last year, the last two seasons, we've had more quarterback start games. It's like the two most most quarterback starting games ever. Seven to a row. Two seasons a row where a lot of injuries. Essentially, your backup quarterback is going to play.

Yeah. And so if you want to defend the Falcons on this, the first thing I think of is Michael Pennix throwing to all these guys is kind of sick. Like, I'm kind of excited about that. He also, he's probably going to be good. I'm not going to lie. And he'll probably play because of all the new rules around concussions, when you get a concussion, a lot of times you miss the next week.

For whatever reason, there's been a lot of bad luck. And by the way, Kirk Cousins is coming off an Achilles injury. Is it confirmed that Kirk's going to be locked and loaded by week one? No, not well, I mean, I agree. I'm just like, then why fucking sign Kirk? Part of me, I want to be very openly that Michael Pennings is incredible.

I think the one of the reasons he went high. I think we underrate how much coaches care about seeing quarterbacks throw the ball in person. Like, maybe that sounds dumb and you're like, they're playing catch. They changed their minds. And you're like, well, they're just playing catch. I mean, I swear to God coaches care about the care of that.

They want to see how the guy throws the ball. Yeah. And I'm just like, I don't know why they signed Kirk. But to your point, Kirk doesn't know why he signed there either because, Diki, I don't know if you saw this. You were grinding on the. draft grades. Kirk cousin's agent,

Mike Garofalo out of NFL network. I'm sorry if I kid. Garoflo, Garofolo? Fuck. It's Garifolo. I don't know. I heard both. I heard both.

I don't know. Jacket. Yeah, April 25th. I heard both. Whatever. Mike. Mike G. Mike G.

Kirk Cousins agent released a thing like immediately and said, yes, the Falcons drafting Pennix was a big surprise. We had no idea this was coming. The truth is the whole league had no idea this was coming. We got no heads up. Kirk got a call from the Falcons.

When they were on the clock. That was the first we heard. It never came up in any conversation. Okay, but counterpoint, if you do, like, if you do tell his agent, there's a chance that this gets leaked and then somebody swoops in and takes Michael Pence. Yes, but you still have to soften the ground. You tell the agent two days before, listen, we're thinking about getting the QB2. We want to invests QB2, young guy, Kirk's been hurt.

Like, don't worry about it. And then you come back to the age of the day of and you're like, listen. They're like, fuck, Pennix fell to eight. We have to act now. We're looking at the round one guys. I think, again, the salient point and the point that DK made and the nut of the thing, is we are going to care about QB2 more. That has been a huge trend of the last five, six years.

Right. Like the Jalen Hertz moment and the Jordan Lovement, like, we are going to invest in quarterback two. And the Falcons were like, hell yeah, brother. Like, we are in. And then they spent eight overall on the fourth quarterback in the draft, which is also like kind of nuts. It is a player who is not viewed as a,

like, I think the league was going to take him as a first rounder. This is not a player who was viewed as a consensus first rounder, knock out of first rounder. This is objectively a reach, even if you thought it was going to be a first rounder. And as a guy who was a high-risk profile in terms of what he came out with the league. So, okay, we're going to invest in quarterback, too. That we've heard that.

We believe that. That's theory. Seeing it in practice at this level is astonishing. And that's why, like, you know, Hyvitt said, like, Ben, you said, there's one of the worst picks. And I said, ah, like, I want to roll back to one of the more shocking picks. Because I understand the theory behind it. It's just when you actually look at it in brass tax, Kurt Cousins, $90 million over the

next two years. The fact that Kirk doesn't know, didn't know that Pennix was going to come. The fact that Terry Fontenow is in his fourth years, the GM. and I'm not sure he's going to see the Pentex years. Like, there's just a, there's a merey number of things that makes this so convoluted, so shocking, so surprising, one of the most surprising top 10 picks, I can remember. Yeah. I agree.

You gave this a D-Bitius. I think we'll talk about this for a long time. The big part of it was it was eighth pick. Like, if this had been the 18th pick, it would have been different. And I would have been able to, like, defend it a little bit more. But the eighth pick, think about the opportunity cost of the other players that could help you over the next two years that are sitting there. Go look back at any quarterback taking top 10.

what the expectation was for that player when he was selected. You were supposed to walk in and compete. You were supposed to walk in and produce now. Franchisex, quarterback, let's do it. And for Pennix, it's like, eh, hang out. It's wild.

It's just, and again, the whole thing is, he's like this old prospect that I've been joking the whole time. He enrolled in college in 2018, like, and he's going to sit now. He's only, yeah, he's not old because he took long to develop. He's old because he got hurt. I know, which is funny to think he's going to sit anyway. The flip side was, again, McCarthy is like the youngest

player in the draft. So, McCarty, J.G. McCarthy in Michigan, ends up going to the Vikings. The Vikings, they end up trading up one spot. They had the 11th pick, and they just moved up one spot with the Jets. They gave up a fourth and a fifth. DK., I'm curious, you gave the Vikings a B-plus, and I'm curious, what do you make of the Vikings? Do you think that they did a good job for getting McCarthy without moving up?

Do you think that McCarthy's kind of settling? What do you make of the Vikings in McCarthy? I mean, I think it's a great team player fit. Like, maybe one of the best team player fits in this entire first round. And this is something I kind of mentioned. mentioned yesterday that could happen. I definitely didn't expect Pennix to be one of the reasons the McCarthy fell further and unexpected, but like, look, he fell to 10. That was like what I was talking about a couple of days ago with like,

Mahomes fell to 10. Maybe they're not actually going to have to make this massive move to go up and get him. And it turned out the Vikings only had to move up one spot to get their franchise quarterback, their potential franchise quarterback. I think he lands in such a great situation, you know, with a good coaching staff, three really good skill players in Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, T.J. Hawkinson, you know, they're probably going to have a good run game. It's just the perfect situation for him. I said this, I think a couple months ago, like if I knew for sure

that JJ McCarthy was going to land with the Vikings, I probably would move him up like 15 spots in my brains, just because I think that's just the perfect spot for him. I think that's the type of situation he can thrive. So I'm very excited to see how this goes. He might have the opportunity. I mean, this is saying opportunity right now. Maybe

it doesn't sound good for him, but like he could sit for a little while if they... McCarthy. McCarthy could sit behind Darnold if they want to do that. I run a few. Jay J.J. McCarthy, you've said, is kind of like more mobile, more mobile Kirk Cousins who just left Minnesota. Sprightly Kirk Cousins. It's funny that Atlanta, pre-Aquillies, Kirk, yeah. Yeah, it's funny that Atlanta got Kirk Cousins post-Aquillies injury, and that now the Vikings are replacing Kirk Cousins with young Kirk Cousins, who's probably more mobile, who's like 15 years younger.

Minnesota or Atlanta may be the most injured quarterback room of all time right now. Dude, the guy with the Achilles injury is like the one who's much healthier. Two years, Craig. I'm just saying historically, the injuries that have occurred to those two guys has to be the worst ever. In a serious question,

I'm trying to be honest. Going back to this for one second, do we think they signed Kirk Cousins and were like, we'll also take Michael Pennix or do you think that at some point they fell in love with Michael Pennix after they decided?

Feels more like that. The latter, I feel like. We think that they like Michael Pennix after they signed him and were like, what if we did both? I think it's the job of several people in the building starting in, you know,

the beginning of the college season to prepare to draft the quarterback in the first round. I evaluate all the guys. We know, okay, Desmond Ritter, like, we don't know if we have a future. And in January and February, when they're like, hey, we might sign Kirk Cudds. It's still that guy's job to get ready for drafting a quarterback in round one. And when they actually get Kirk in March, it's still that dude's job, right? You do all the

groundwork, right? You're acting as if we don't get Kirk. And then after you get Kirk, you said, down, you say, what do we want to do at 8? And Rahim Morris says, I like the cut of this Pennixon, Jim. I like I looked into his eyes. Adam Schepter who reported, he was like, Rahim looked at Michael Pennixon and loved him. There's a quote from Fontno, the Falcons GM, who says, if he sits for four or five years, that's a great problem to have because we're doing so well at that position.

Terry, Terry, Terry, Terry, Terry, Terry, Terry, Terry, Terry, Terry, Terry, Terry, Terry, Terry, Terry, Terry, Terry, Terry, Terry, Terry, question from the back, Ben Swick from the ringer. What about the other positions of the football field and what the players there could have potentially done through the first four years of their career? Great question. Anyone else? have any questions? Yeah, Arthur Blank. Arthur Blank, owner?

Owner of the Falcons. Why haven't you left the building yet? I fired you three hours ago. No, okay. The other one here, we have. Wait, wait, there's the full quote. He says, if you believe in a quarterback, you have to take him. And if he sits for four or five years earlier, so it's simple as if you see a guy you believe in at that position, you have to take him.

My thing is, if they believe. You gotta do it. My thing is, I'm so dubious. They didn't know they believed until recently. I'm so dubious. They fell in love. They give Kirk Cousins a hundred million dollars. Is it the heart or is it another part of the body?

Because I, you give a hundred. The penics perhaps? Yeah, you give a hundred million dollars getting tea. And you're like, but we believe in this other guy. Come on. Wow. It's midnight. Let me think.

Did you see this thing that when he was up there, the broadcast that the shot of the pick is in? But someone was like holding up a sign so they blocked the bottom of the piece. We just said the dick is in. Yeah. And it was like Michael Pennix. The dick is in. It was incredible. That's highbrow.

In the D? That's the quality. D. Anyway, we were talking about the Vikings. Yeah. Well, now we're going to do, yeah, Vikings, all right. And then the other crazy one back to, we're not back to back, but nearby. Boenix, boomer boonex at Oregon goes to the Denver Broncos. Do we, do we just start with the Schuster tweet? Did you even see the Schifter tweet?

Oh, I saw it. Okay. I'm not going to lie. I think that this is like Adam Schfter's Mona Lisa. First of all, before, to preface this, the night of the draft after all the picks of it made, all time best spin zone out. Like, these are the best hours of spin zone you will ever see in your life. This is, PR team's working at 100 miles out. Sean Payton, this is their Super Bowl.

PR team's cooking right now. They're peaking. Someone cooked here. 100%. Adam Schifter tweeted. God. Sean Payton wants, this is a quote, Sean Peyton wanted and intended to draft Patrick Mahomes in the 2017 draft.

Sure. When he held the 11th overall pick, no space. He was ready to turn in the card. But before he could, comma, the chiefs traded up to the bill's spot. I love that number 10. I know. The chiefs traded up to the bill spot at number 10 and took Mahomes one spot before Peyton got him,

leaving the Saints to draft Ohio State cornerback Marshall and Latimer, really taking it stray there. Peyton feels as strongly about Bo Nix as he did, Patrick Longer. Come on. And actually, the craziest thing is ever. Now, now there is actually a second part to this story,

which is that Peyton, the last time he felt away about a quarterback like that before Mahomes was actually Brady. And he was going to draft Brady with his first round pick. he wasn't yet in charge of the Saints at the time, but he was going to. And then for whatever reason,

he was unable to do for six rounds, but he had a first-round grade on Brady. Before that, all right, it was Namath that Sean Bain and really. Yeah. They always do this. Sean Paine's LeBron James,

the NFL coaches? Yes, he's LeBron. I always like that guy. I always like my homes. Oh, I always liked Dak. When he went in the fourth, I knew. I know. I felt it.

You don't ever hear about how so-and-so GM loved Zach Wilson. It was so bummed. No, he went second overall. Man, I missed on that one. Dude, that is good. All GMs and coaches giving quotes are just like LeBron James. Yeah. Just left.

She also tweeted. So he tweeted about like why Sean Payton liked him, Bo Nex. And he said that the night before Bo Nex came to Denver to work out, they sent Bo necks three packets of offensive play installations in the next morning. They brought Bo into the classroom and broke. Bo crushed it and blew them away. And then the next day they went through with them. And after that day, they were like, he's our guy. And you want to know what's really hilarious?

Andy Reid telling the story about how when they went to evaluate Mahomes and they went to bring him in how they snuck him the plays early so he would look really smart on the board. It's that way they could draft Mahomes. It's really easy to look good on like a whole like, oh, we're going to give you a quiz. Say that again? There's a story about how when the, when the cheese drafted Mahomes, they were going to bring him in and evaluate him on the board with some plays. Who's they? The Chief's brass were. I can't remember. I think it was Nagy at the time he was the quarterback's coach. He gave Mahomes the plays early. Like he like informed the Holmes what the quiz was. So make Andy think he was better than he really was.

Yeah. So that way Mahomes would be prepped for the quiz. I'll Google this afterwards, make sure I have it right. I can't remember if it was naggy, if it was read or whatever. But anyway, the point here is, if you want to, Bo Nix was amazing

on the chalkboard, he blew us away. If somebody just told Bo Nix the plays, then you just drafted a guy because he had the answers to the test. To compare Bo Nix to Patrick Mahomes, I love it. In it's crazy.

One third of his passes in college were at the line of screen. To compare Bo Nix to Patrick Mahomes in a draft with Caleb Williams in it is blasphemy. Well, this is the other thing. It's heretical. Like,

I got a state for doing this. Lying is the best. No, I would love to like actually get the God. The greater than arrows lying. That's my favorite thing to do. My favorite, so I would love to see like their actual draft board because he is the sixth quarterback taken in this draft.

This is the highest QB6 in any draft ever. 12th overall. It's almost like they took 85 million in dead money. There was reporting that he was QB3 for them behind Daniels and Williams. Ben Albright reported that after the pick of 12. So they liked, so how much did they like Williams and, who was the other one, Drake Mayer? Williams and Daniels. So they must have liked them like Brady and Mahomes Plus, you know, whoever else is like the other greatest quarterback.

On the New Heights, New Heights podcast end of 2022, Matt Nagy was the office coordinator. Mahomes telling the story. Matt Nagy was the OC. He really liked me. He gave me the plays they were going to go over the night before. And so my home said, of course, that's so bull. If that was Shogun, you'd have to spook it like that since you can't do that. Exactly.

So Champagne's like, it's unbelievable how Bo Nix. knew these plays. And some quarterbacks coach on the Broncos is like, yeah, it's crazy. So that's what you think happened? That somebody snuck Bo Nix for the place? I'm just like, man, we watched this film and we thought he was a second rounder, but he came in here. He was so smart on our playbook. We just have to draft him at 12. But there's a lot of ways to like get past that surprise.

This is the pre-draft draft draft day? They put the $100 bill at the back of the playbook. Is that what happened? And then they like, and they sent it back or whatever? It is just such horrendous vibes to be myth-making this hard at this moment. Because if you really felt like it was a great pick, you would not feel the need to justify it. Do you think you need to walk around and thump your chest?

You would just make it. Do you think that's harder on Bo Necks to hear that quote? Do you think that makes him feel better or worse? Thanks a lot. Yeah. He's a great. My head coach is compare me to Patrick Mahomes. What I think is Marshall, Latimore is like,

the fuck you mad at me for? Marshall. He's just like, so we took Marshawn Laddimore at 11. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's like, have you seen the video of 50 cent, you know, on Floyd Bayweiler? Yeah. And it's like, it's like,

fuck you mad at me, Floyd? All right, you know what, I'm not afraid. I don't know. Shut the phone. Moving on. Was that a misconignality? Hold on that. Yeah.

Just a classic. That was mine hypox in first, actually. So I have one question, though, like, or one comment, I guess, on, to follow up on the Nix thing. Like, to me, it's like, again, Nix was the sixth quarterback taken. By far the highest sixth quarterback in any class.

Previous record was Marino. It's like, 27th overall. Yeah. And I feel like it, and, you know, We've been a little bit hard on Nix, I think, in this process. Like, we tend, and this is something that happens every year. Like, if we, if we're slightly negative on a guy, we pick him to pieces over the, like, three months or whatever. So, like, even though I don't, like, hate Nix.

I think he gives them a floor. Yeah. And he can run their offense in theory. Even, like, I think the strongest Nick proponents that I've seen and heard during this process, I feel like even those people have been like, yeah, he's probably never going to be, like, an elite quarterback. He'll be, like, a solid game manager. I like Knicks more than Pennix flat out. Right.

I like Knicks at 12 more than I like Pennix at 8. I thought Knicks was a Gardner Minchew, right? I thought it was like a long career, 10-year career. It was like a spot starter. He's going to walk in and compete with Jared Stedham for the job. And if he gets it, it's like, all right, how good is Marvin Mims? If he's solid, we can get seven wins. You took that at 12 overall.

Like the Pennix and Knicks of it, man, like I understand the quarterback desperation. Right. I understand the investment quarterback, too. Neither one of these prospects is as good as Will Levis. I won't hear it. In terms of the physical things that they're capable of doing, in terms of the offenses that they played in college and the challenges they went up against in terms of the NFL projection,

one year, three year. Now, one of these guys is good at a prospect is Will Levis, who we just watched fall out of the entire first round. So did the league just randomly discover QB2 value in development overnight? It is perplexing to me that these players were valued at this level. I remain flabbergasted four hours later. So do you think Denver should have just waited, not drafted a quarterback, played the year with Jared Sted him,

bottomed out. Jacoby Brissette signed for $8 million this year. I don't know. Craig, I am wholly unconvinced that if the Broncos hadn't picked Nix at 12,

that we wouldn't be sitting here and discussing this podcast. Who's going to take Nix? Yeah. All right. Tough look. Well, I got to say, before we move on,

a really big last couple of weeks for the Hot Moms in Denver. Is that a whole thing, Bo Nix? Dude, look the fuck out. Hot moms. My God. They're the winners.

They look almost identical. Yeah, dude. Like stepbrothers, like in the tuxitos, you know? We're here to fuck shit up in yoga. Now the tuxedos are all around Denver. Oh, we can know Jared Stidham was the best quarterback in the room in Denver, and they've acquired two quarterback since then. And Jared Stim is the best quarterback in the room in Denver, dude.

Just they both. Dude, Jared Stidham, well, I mean, Bo Nix and Zach Wilson get it to be backup quarterbacks would be like they're going to have the most fun ever, stepbrother style. What's your guess his favorite Sean Payton move so far in his tenure? This is such a good. pit. We see the little D.K. Bumblehead that we pulled as a string on

it. What's your favorite, Sean? I move. Full disclosure, I stole that from Hayden Winks who, like, tweeted that and I thought it was the funniest thing ever. So I'm just continuing that legacy. So next step here, so we have Jaden Daniels went to Washington with the number two pick. Drake May went to New England with the

number three pick. D.K., your literal immediate reaction was, I can't help but think that Daniels May pick order will go down in draft history. Yeah, for one reason or another. Obviously, we have made it very clear We love May on this podcast, generally speaking. We're big fans of May, at least So like and I are for sure. And I felt so much excitement for May for going to New England.

I think that's like an incredible steal for New England. And I look at the Washington Daniels pick and I'm filled with trepidation. I think actually there's a pretty strong chance that Jaylon Daniels is going to be, Jaden Daniels, sorry, is going to be like one of the more exciting rookie quarterbacks. Like he's going to have a very exciting early part of it. his career. But obviously, as we saw with Justin Fields and we've seen with other quarterbacks in this kind of archetype,

sometimes it can, like, fizzle out pretty quickly. So I'm just kind of worried about that, but that's just my immediate, honest reaction. I was like, I was so excited about May to New England, and I'm just kind of filled with trepidation for what happens with Washington. You mentioned Jacoby Bresset. I'm imagining here, Drake

May is not going to be starting for this team, probably for the first half of the year, if not the whole year. For the first three years, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If he doesn't start for four or five years, that's a great situation. That means they must be doing well. That means Jacobi said is their guy. Good news. Do you think that Tray Lance must be,

that must have been a great pick for the Niners? Well, they're in a good, when it's a Super Bowl, good situation. I do think, Craig, that it's always like,

how does your guy learn, right? You bring them into the building, and if you're like, man, Drake's killing it on the chalkboard right now. Like, but when we put him out there,

like, he just looks super sketched out and like his like the protection and like sit him. If you put him out there like, oh, young man's gaming a little bit. Like, he's like,

you know, he goes out of the field, makes a mistake in the preseason, you bring him back, and the next drive he fixes it. You're like, hey, like, experience might be good for the guy. You kind of have to feel it out. I feel like it's just eliminated. He sounds just like. Yeah.

Sounds just like, his face is just kind of dumb, but there's something going out there. He's got like the sweet, dumb man outfit, like the tucked in gingham tish, gingham, like button up with like a weird belt. When is the last time, like, like a highly touted rookie quarterback came in with a receiving court this bad and was just like good immediately?

Well, I was going to say, dude, The difference is in the situations of these players is unbelievable. Because if you look at Drake Mae and Jane Daniels, this is like the epitimate me of the draft. Drake May is going to New England with, if they don't drafts to receive it tomorrow, like, oh my God,

it's going to be a Pop Douglas. But the New England receiving court is horrific. Yeah, but Jane Daniels' situation isn't half as bad as. No, he's Terry McLaurin. But that's my point. It's Terry McLaren and Johan Dotson. But then Drake May has nothing. And then you look at McCarthy who has Justin Jefferson,

Jordan Addison, you know, T.J. Hawkinson. Even, like, panics, dude, if he played four to five years from now, Maybe you'll still have Kyle Pitts and Bichon Robinson and Drake London. Like you've all first-run picks, first-round lineman. And then you're Drake May, and it's like you have Mike Tack, not Mike Tackle, right tackle, Mike on Wanoe. That's it, dude.

City Sal. How many players in the Patriots, you played this game with me on the Giants. How many, yeah, Cole Strange. How many players in the Patriots do you think will be on the Patriots offense in two years? Hmm. Because I would say, Pop Douglas, the right tackle. Rom Andre Stevenson, Mike and Wenu. Yeah, three.

And whoever. Drake May. Yeah. Nice. Guys, I'm hearing good things about KJ Osborne. Hunter Henry Extension. Oh, yeah? I saw a tweet about it today, at least.

What he finished last year? I'm hearing good things. I saw a one Twitter on KJ. What did he finished last year? I did not verify. Dead last year? No, yeah, yeah. He had a good day, though.

No, I don't know. 200 yards last year, yeah, yeah. Now that you see, Jake May. I'm hearing good things about Josh Palmer. Have you been... From you guys. That's kind of indisputable. You got to consider the source, all right?

are you still a believer in Drake May being special now that you see him go to New England who's being run by the crafts and they you know yes I mean I still do I I will admit fully that he goes to one of the worst situations I think possible right now in terms of like offensive talent around him probably number one yeah so that is that is certainly worrisome but I honestly kind of just hope they sit him for at least half the year and just kind of like take it slow and not try and pretend that they're competitively. editor. But they have such a good defense. I feel like they might think they're better

than they are kind of deal. It's like one of those situations where if you go three and 14 and he plays the last seven games and you have another top four pick, that's totally fine. Dude, tanking works. I wish I'd said this in the Take Bruges. The Lions... It works, but it's hard to do because fans are get pissed. But the Lions were horrible and then bounce back

really quickly. The Texans were fucking awful. The Texans were supposed to have the number one pick in the draft this year. And then they made the freaking divisional round with CJ Stroud. The 49ers got freaking Bosa because they sucked one year. The tanking, dude, tanking

has really worked really well for a lot of teams. Frankly, way more often than the back. Especially with a new coach and a new GM, like you have time to breathe there. You don't have to win now. Tanking works is just an iteration of like drafting works. Right.

And it's like, okay, if you nail it right in the right window with the right picks with the early picks, then you can springboard it. Unless if they don't have to play for four or five years, though, then that means also. I had a not very well thought out theory in this high, Fitz, you can use this if you ever become a GM. Cook.

I can't wait. That if you just alternate seasons of trying and then tanking, you could build the best team. We only fell on even years. Oh my God. Like, like the San Francisco Giants. Dude,

first of all, I got to tell you. You faint first or last, guys. D.K., I am more confident than ever I could be a fucking game. I watch this draft. I could watch this draft.

Dude, no jump shots. Just threes and dunks. Belichick and McAfee, I'm like, give me Bella check of Holmes. I would, I would be the greatest gem ever.

I love that Atlanta passed on Bill Belichick and then took Michael Panics a day. It feels like just like a legendary. The best part of the story is that the thing where Arthur Blake was like took the poll of the entire front office, like 20 people who were in on these interviews and stuff. And they're like, rank your top three candidates for coach.

And they said, nobody had Bill Belichick in their top thing. Nobody? Not even in the top three. It's so good. Top three. Don't give him a rose. I thought Belichick was cooking tonight. I think that he's on a real media war path this year.

He said that the waiting for the ready, he's back. He's like giving birth. Yep. He said it took so long. It's like labor. It takes forever. Shout out the Falcons being like,

we are not into Lamar Jackson. Panics at eight, though. Craig, you asked a quarterback coming in who looked good despite him a terrible receiving core. My comp for Drake May was Trevor Lawrence. Lawrence is rookie season. Marvin Jones had 120 targets.

Leviska-Channolt had 100 targets. Laquan Trembuds. had 51. Wow. But he didn't really look that good. He was kind of a mess. So then that was also the urban year, right? So it was kind of like everything was chaos.

And like, he kicked the kicker. He like, he like, but I will say like that, right, Lawrence came in kind of like golden boy and he wasn't like immediately a sensation. He was like,

oh, he's underwhelming. But you would go and you would watch him. You'd be like, oh, like this guy can play. There's worlds in which may take place for the Patriots for most of the season. Because those Jaguars had the first overall pick,

right? They went to Trayvone Walker the next year. they go 3 and 14 like it on paper looks terrible but when you watch May you go oh yeah like I can see how what we're trying to get to right so it's always you always have to

you know be careful when you when you prognosticate that rookie season a lot of times it's just checking your work right like NFL teams always say like we get a guy into the building we watch them in five practices you can tell like oh this guy's gonna hit or like this guy's yeah you just get a feel for the vibe that is so crazy that it's like within a week

of practice you know it's like that's why the draft is so bad it's like if they could just do because you can't because of the CBA if they could just come to OTAs and do like three days of practices. And I know this isn't possible. They're not going to practice for 32 teams.

Like they're going to, you know, it's a quarterback. We got to get to attack. I'm so tired. It's a job interview. Like, you could do four job interviews. It's like, Jaden Daniels could, and it's like you show up for a week.

It's like the hit rate would double. Anyway. Yeah, but it's definitely not feasible. But I, you point well taken. It's, she can't show up and play football. So anyway, number one. I'm saying, you both make good points. I don't know how you would,

practice for 32 teams. You don't have to go to 32 teams. You go to like five. But how would you choose? Based on who you want to play for? Yeah, but I feel like a lot of guys don't know where they're going. As it like, you know, before the draft. I don't know, man. Anyway, so the bears took Caleb Williams, obviously the number one pick. And, you know, if there's a lawrence of this draft, like, he'd say it's him, not like stylistically, but just like in terms of how especially this is a prospect. And then the bears also got freaking Roman Dinslaid to Washington. And I, my, I think straight out. I forgot about that. This is probably, I love that. It's weird because Caleb Williams is, like, definitely the most talented.

Bears quarterback ever. This is, I would say, definitely the most talented Bears offense ever for skill positions, because they have Roman Dunezay now, you have Keenan Allen, you have D.J. Moore, who is great as a fourth option.

I love to be Colchette. And it's like, DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, Roman Dundzee. There will be Cole. There will be no. He's the fourth dragon. It looks really dumb. That's $Gerald Everett.

That's $52 million over four years. Yeah, yeah. Keep the money right. Who has the comp been all year for Roman Dunez? it's Devante Adams. Caleb Williams has spent his entire life

or not life, but since he's 10, modeling his game after Aaron Rogers. Like he said that, he's his favorite player. That's what he models his game off of,

the Bears were fucking destroyed by Aaron Rogers for 15 years. Some good narratives going on right now. The Bears now have, though, the Caleb Williams, the Devante Adams thing. And I don't think that's forced.

That's like genuinely the most accurate thing. We're definitely not putting the cart before the horse on this. Why? But is Caleb Williams just said himself, does he not play like Aaron Rogers?

No, no, I'm just saying like, we're saying that, you're saying the bears have the next Aaron Rogers and Damante Adams. I'm like, let's let him play a game. Oh, you're doing the thing

where I do the thing and you're like, oh, you're going to have the career. That's what you gave him shit for. I will put the cart behind the horse where it belongs. The bears are winning 14 games. It's gone up every hour. He said 13 earlier. Now it's 14. Tomorrow morning. Listen, I'm looking here. I'm trying to find a loss.

Texans. Easy dub. Lions twice. They're bad. Packers never heard of them. The NFC North is stacked, though. That's actually the only good teams they play. The NFC North is kind of stacked. Niners, 16 and once. I know.

I know everybody was saying that Minnesota was the best landing spot for a quarterback to just step right in and be good. But I think the supporting cast in Chicago is better than the supporting cast in Minnesota. I think you're right on that, actually. First of all, it's incredible the disparity between like Drake men going to New England.

Caleb going to, yeah, the Chicago, but also the NFC North, the Vikings with J.G. McCarthy, you're now like the oldest team. you have the Bears and like you have Caleb and O'Donzee and all these guys and DJ Moore is only like 26. The lions are young as fuck. The Packers, Jordan Love and then every pass catcher is on a rookie contract.

So it's kind of like a crazy young division. The other, the future of the NFC North is like directly in front of us and also Jared Gough. That's the last question. Oh, I thought you said Jerkoff. A last question to figure out. What kind of injury would have needed to occur to Caleb Williams tonight for him to not be the number one overall picture?

Like he trips in the green room? Like, is there anything that could have happened in the last week? A piece of his right arm would have to have been... What if he, like, losing an appendage or... What if he slipped through a coffee table and, like, caught himself in, like, broken glass and just glass all on his right hand? That's probably not enough. No. What if he stripped in, like, Alex Smith, like, fractured leg, like, bone out of skin?

Like, if he tears his Achilles tonight, an hour before the draft, is he still won? Probably. Probably. Probably. I don't know. I think it would be. I don't think so. No? Achilles tear, dude?

Pretty substantial. He's like, yeah, he just like Kevin. He's young. He'll be fine. Yeah. Don't worry about it. Just, just, just, uh, Ryan Poles telling ownership. She's like, Achilles tears on average are fine. They would have just taken Michael Pennix too.

Like ACL, you're definitely drafting him still, right? Oh, yeah. We just take Pennix at nine, too. And then that way you both and Pennix is enough to play. And then if, yeah, well, Penix would be so good. Caleb would probably never need to play, but which is fine. The Bears have, the bears have so many impact players right now. I just love the way this team is built.

It took them too long. I was critical of some of the moves they got there. I spent a lot of money and free agency on players that I wasn't super impressed by but then you just go and you look you always do this right when you're evaluating a move in and of itself

like a roster transaction like contract like I don't know B plus whatever you just go look at the Bears roster and you're like oh they're all good players yeah what hyphitz what's the expression

you always use don't let good get in the way of perfect but don't like perfect be the enemy of good right the ady my like is don't miss the force for the trees right the trees are oh they overpaid Tremaine Edmins the force is like

Tremaine Adams good play. Yeah, but he's on the team. Yeah, exactly. Right. They spent money. They spent picks and they have good players. That's business. I have another one. I've belated take purge. I'm sad and I didn't think of this in the take purge. But Justin Fields is going to win a Super Bowl before Caleb Williams.

This year, yeah. I'm just, I just realized that tonight watching. Now that Troy Fountain is a stealer. Okay, I need you to elaborate now. I just think that, like, I was thinking about it. And I was like, it's weird that Justin Fields just had, like, clearly his best games of his career, like at the end. But they got Caleb and in circumstantial.

and I'm just like, Steelers Tomlin. I'm just like, I don't know. I think that Fields is good, and the Steelers actually have a good offensive line. Like, I just could so easily see Justin Fields winning some ugly-ass games in the playoffs where they just run the shit of the ball and it's snowing and they make the Super Bowl.

And I just see him lifting the Lombardy. And like, you're talking like he's winning Super Bowls, not in the Cadarius Tony way, but in like, the actual leading, like significantly impact on the game. And swing it. Has anybody asked Andy Reid? Since the acquisition of Xavier worthy,

why does you ride in Texas, how talented is Cadarius Tony in terms of the wide receivers? What's the ranking? Oh my God. Also, the other thing we have to mention, Panthers trade officially now, I think it has, it's really in the running,

truly for number one worst trade of all time and NFL history for the Carolina Panthers. Because they essentially traded. Oh, I thought you were talking about up to 32 for Xavier Ligat. I was like, no, I think it's fine. I didn't like that one either. I didn't like that one either. But just to recap,

however you want to spin it, but basically the Panthers traded, Caleb Williams, Bijon Robinson, and DJ Moore, plus the second rounder next year for Bryce Young. For not CJ Stroud. Yeah, to not take CJ Stroud. They could have taken CJ Stroud, to be clear. Bryce Young last year at one overall.

Jane Daniels this year at two overall. Michael Pennix this year at eight overall. Just a trio. Do you think Jayden Daniels at two overall? I can't believe you even put that in the same sentence as Pennix at eight. And in terms of picks that I can see being just like tectonically terrible for their franchises? You think Jayden Daniels, why are you so low on Jane Daniels?

That blows my mind that you put that in the same sense. Brian Kelly, who's the head coach at LSU. It was on the ESPN pregame show. And he was talking about Jane Daniels. He was like, man, when Jayden came to us, LSU transferred in, he weighed 170 pounds, which is what I weigh, which is just so frankly unacceptable. Now, obviously, Jaden doesn't weigh that anymore. But Jaden, Craig made this comment the second he saw him.

And she's like, man, he's thin. Like I'm just very like I was the my main concern with Bryce was the frame right like I had Bryce QB2 last year right I'm like just below CJ like I had a good film grade on him and like looking back I wish I was just like more like nah it's not for me but like that's not really how you can grade when you're grading for 32 teams but just you were looking at the frame and you're like man if if the frame doesn't work in the NFL like this is chalk like it's done it is it is such a concern it's such a red flag I feel the same way with jaden in terms of his of his size where if jaden just cannot take contact at the league level over 18 weeks right and just like and everyone. Every season, by the time you get to the back half of the season, you get to the winter months, he just can't handle pressure. He can't run the way that he is. I watched Jalen Hertz this year just not work because his knee didn't work because it got banged up on a run and then his entire game is gone. So much of it is scramble.

If Jaden gets nicked up in the league, like, he's not good enough from the pocket, in my opinion. And so, I could be tectonically bad for the commanders. So big picture quarterback takeaway here, D.K. I'm curious. When we talk about this draft in a few years, what do you think we're going to takeway is going to be? I think it's going to mainly be about Caleb Williams. Like, I think he's going to steal a lot of the attention from everybody else. Yeah.

I mean, I'm with Ben. I have been with Ben this entire time. Basically, Caleb Williams is freaking awesome, and I just can't wait to see what he does. And he also has the added benefit, which is extremely rare for a guy of his talent and, you know, his stature as a prospect to land in a good situation with good players around him. You know what I heard this week?

Bear is 17 and 0. That's what I heard. 15 wins, 16, maybe? I don't know. Occam's Razor. Occam's Razor. All right. So other things

that happen are crazy. The Chiefs taking Xavier Worthy was insane. So Xavier Worthy ran the fastest four-yard dash of all time. And they traded up with Buffalo to get them. Dude.

So the bills literally gave up the pick that Chiefs used on Patrick Mahomes in a trade. And the fact that with that to get Patrick Mahomes, Patrick Mahomes then eliminated Buffalo from the playoffs in three of the last four years.

And then the bills fucking traded back with the Chiefs again to give the Chiefs the fastest player in the NFL other than Tyree Kill. What is the most extraordinary part. Where does your mind go? Does your mind go to Patrick Holmes and Andy Reid once again having

the fastest player in the league? Yeah, yeah. I mean, like, I just, it's truly insane, but also, I can't believe Buffalo of every team in the league, Buffalo being the one to put it for them on a silver platter is like stunning. To trade out of the first round, where they trade twice? They traded back? Yeah, I believe so. Don't have a wide receiver.

How many wide receivers went? Six? I think Buffalo's smart to trade back twice. I feel like they might have won at AD Mitchell. They could still get him tomorrow. I'm sure they had like a lot of guys kind of graded in almost the exact same area. I think it makes sense. If I'm Buffalo,

I'd love having the first pick the second round, you get a full day of phone calls. But dude, Kansas City having Xavier worthy. Yeah, I mean, this is like the one of the most fun

combinations of player and team and quarterback and receiver. Obviously, there's a huge sex element to this. Just speed kills. Like, all that stuff is super fun. Eleanor Roosevelt.

Especially when the cheats have like gone the other way, I feel like so much. Like the last two years, like Mahomes is like average yards per attempt have gone down. Like he's not doing the deep ball anymore. and now they're like, okay. Well, yeah.

They won the Super Bowl and back to pick years with fucking Cadarist Tony and Sky Moore lining up on the wrong sides of the field. They've Marquis Brown and Xavier Worthy.

I think it's like schematically, it's kind of an interesting pick because, I mean, my whole take on Worthy has been this whole time. Like he moves differently. He's so, so fast, so quick.

He reminded me a lot in the process of Zay Flowers. If you remember, Zay Flowers and his rookie year, he was used on a lot of short passes, get him the ball in space, get him a little bit of a runway. He can run past defenders.

he's not necessarily like super refined, really nuanced technical route runner and a guy, I've been called kind of like a sloppy receiver. Like he's just sloppy. And but that doesn't mean he's bad. It just means that's the type of receiver is. I can kind of see the same with Xavier Worthy where he's so fast, he's going to be an impact player. But when you're facing teams, and I think, I don't know how the numbers in front of me, but I'm guessing a lot of teams put two high shells over the top of Patrick Mahomes.

And like, that's why you saw last year, their other rookie receiver, Rishi Rice, his A dot was like five or something like that. It was like ludicrously low. I don't know. I think it's also interesting, Xavier Worthy and Marquis Brown are like almost the exact same size, 165 pounds. Is Marquis that small?

He's thin. Marquisth Brown is, I think, shorter maybe. But he's 165? Marquis Brown tip the scales at the combine at 166. Oh. Markis Brown was by far the smallest court. At the point, I don't think a first receiver in a draft had ever been taking his small. So it's Markis Brown.

Xavier worthy. I mean, Rishi Rice is big. Yeah. They have multiple, yeah, multiple receivers who are 160. Something's wild.

It's like some more diversity now like from their past catchers rather than just like throwing underneath to like Rishie Rice and you know, 34-year-old Travis Kelsey. Now they actually have like speed and explosiveness. Spread things out. You think Taylor's supposed to watch tonight?

No. What? No. The draft? Like my friends who are like love the NFL, don't want. Wait, hold on. What happens with Cadarius now? Where's Cadarius going right up?

You're a sick twist. Well, I think that he, plays and then Xavier worthy doesn't have to play for four or five years. Right, right, right. That's right. Yeah. When you find a guy like that, you got to take him. I know you're stoked on this, especially because of the bills trade. I don't like this for the chiefs. I don't. Like, you had speed. If you once you have speed, you have speed, it doesn't really compound. Um, the only, you're saying Markey's Brown is the speed. Yeah. And like,

the exception that proves the rules, the dolphins who just like built their entire offense around the idea they have this level of quickness. You have to just like consume it as your identity. the thing that the Chief's offense was missing last year at the receiver position was more so like reliability than it was they certainly were missing explosiveness. Don't get me wrong. Who wasn't reliable in the Chiefs?

All of them. They had like the two most unreliable receivers in NFL history. Cadarius and MBS. MBS. Like the ability to score. I could be a G. I would trade up in the first round for a receiver too. I could have been MBS. I could have caught as many both of them.

So I just like for that like this for me like I understand like why there was the marriage and that they love the fact that they can make these sorts of players work but I'm I don't like this for the chiefs I don't think this helps their passing game as much I have a question what's up just about like the guys that are still on the board at that time um Ricky Pearsall was still on the board he got picked later the next pick with a lad lad macon aitchell troy franklin jalen polk ron poland still in the board would you have liked to pick a little bit more if they traded up for one of those guys so it's funny because the three round two receivers

that I actually liked in this class were Pearsall, Leggett, and Coleman, right? And we had Leggett and Pearsall go with the back and round one. And when the Niners took Pearsallel, I was like, okay, what the frick of the Niners up to? I'm sure we're talking about that later. Leggett for the Panthers I liked. I would have preferred either one of those two players, including Ankegon Coleman over Xavierworthy.

Like it in the Chiefs offense would actually... I just... The idea... I'll say this, which sounds really dumb to say of the back-to-back defending Super Bowl champions that might three-peat. the fact that the chiefs are like, oh, we have Patrick Mahomes, we can throw it far, get that fast guys.

Aren't you, like, kind of over that now, like, a little bit? Like, that was, like, the early thing, you know, Meekle Harmon and Tyreek Hill. Aren't you more now, like, man, teams are playing us in a ton of too high. Like, let's just get guys who actually catch the ball over the middle of the field. Like, grow up, cheese.

Yeah. Yeah. They said they'll never treat you. Yeah. Yeah. I just feel like a video game still three in the morning, I just feel like we're going to have a game next year that the Chiefs losing the regular season,

in part because their small wide receivers were really unreliable and didn't give them the, and explosiveness is inherently mercurial. Sometimes it goes away. And we're gonna, but I'll be there in week seven, like, man, it felt like this issue was foreseeable and avoidable. And instead they were just like, oh, ho. I have another. You see how fast these guys are?

On this note, I haven't ever took perch. I think the chiefs are fucking stunned. They won the Super Bowl two years ago. I think they were like, this is a terrible receiving group. They weren't even good in the regular season last year. I think that they were fucking stunned that nobody could beat them. I feel like they, I remember. They were like nine and six.

Yeah. There was times where I was like ninth or ten. in the power rankings. I'm like, yeah, and this team ended up winning the Super Bowl. But yeah, no, I think that they were just like, this worked.

And they're like, we can't try that a third time. Didn't they lose to the Broncos last year, the Chiefs? Yeah, we agreed to lose. We were like,

Mahomes had to flee or something, right? We literally did the, well, I don't know. And he lost to Zach Wilson, I think. Yeah. It's,

well, yeah, I mean, Jack Wilson's going to drop a lot of those stories in the Cougies. Like, when I was beating Patrick Mahams last year.

Yeah. It's going to be his opening one. In the Pilate Studios. So, speaking, which, you mentioned Ricky Parasol, go to the Niners. One, this is why you stay humble, right? Like, I'm so glad for Ricky. You know, this is why you stay humble with the dice and the roulette wheel and the tattoo. Hard work pays off.

For the record, he has a hand of cards. A massive tuit wheel and then also a fan of six cards. Yes. Relet wheel with dice. Yeah, six card hand that spells humble. So it's like a, yeah, it's like a straight flush, but humble. You know how you mean cards and dyes to a roulette wheel? How big is that tattoo?

Is it his entire arm? It's like it's part of the sleeve, yeah. It's like elbow down sleeve, right? It sucks. It sucks that I have to. It's like the, it's like an ace of spades through like a nine of spades, like a straight flush.

So it's a real flush. Yeah. You know, what are they like spells? When you play poker with six cards, you're familiar. Yeah, yeah, yeah. At the roulette wheel. Rolette with cards.

It's a new game. He's working on it. He's going to pitch it to the, I don't know what the Bellagio. Yeah. So he's on the 49ers, Adam Schaefter tweeted some context in 49 who's in their first round pick and

Ricky Parasol. Football emojis. Brennan Ayuk last year of his deal. Joanne Jennings, first in Joanne Jennings Deboed two years remaining in the deal. I do feel like for all the Brandon Ayuk stuff we've heard, I do feel like the Debo is more likely to be moved on from, move on from. Yeah, Mike Silver was saying that at the end of this day one.

You must be heartbroken. You love Debo as much as I feel like anyone. Yeah, I think Debo is a better player than Iyuk. We talked about it a little bit before the show, and you guys made the point Depot's older, his prime is going to come faster, more steep. I think all that's fair and it's valid. You do have the Debo contract done. You don't have the IU contract done. So from a fiscal perspective, I think it's far preferable to move IUC.

But it seems like they investigated that and certainly IUC asked for that. They haven't really getting any traction there. And so now you're like, all right, like, if we extend IEUK, maybe we move Debo and they're kind of like investigating all their options. Someone told me after they took Pearsall at 31 that they, that maybe Ricky Pearsall is a Cooper Cup, like sort of a player in terms of the style. Oh, wow. That's where they get that come from.

Yeah, yeah. Coach's son. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just hard worker. First guy in and the last guy out.

Yeah, yeah. Be humble. And so he's a little bit smaller than Cup. Like, as a guy who really liked Ricky, I get and understand that because he's just extremely quarterback friendly. He snaps routes off. Like, he wins on a lot of one-on-one situations. There is a high ceiling in Ricky Pearsall.

I do like him. I do like him as a player. I will not call a Debo Pearsall wide receiver duo better than Debo I-Ebo, nor will I call an I-Uk Peerzel, wide-receiver-Dio better than I-Ebo. I think no matter what I-U-M-U-Bo. I think no matter what, they're downgrained a little bit. Now, they might be getting cheaper and younger and better long term, and that's part of the process.

But still, man, like, if the Niners were exclusively oriented on the 2024-on-back was actually winning this time, that would not be doing any of this wide receiver trade nonsense. Who's the coolest team that Debo could go to if they do trade him? Oh, the Philadelphia Eagles immediately come to mind. You just got A.J. Brown signed. If you want to get Justin Fields at Super Bowl ring. That would actually be a lot of fun. What about Debo going to the Chiefs? He could back up Cadarious Tony.

that's not bad. Yeah, yeah. Literally, any receiver you name, I'm like, please go to the bills. Chargers. Chargers do need receivers. The bills, yeah. Chargers only one offensive linemen.

I think Harbaugh's planning on throwing to them. I don't know if I was on saying his quote. Oh my God. Deba did not see his quote. The charges, wait, so they took Joe All out of Notre Dame over Joe. Over Malik neighbors, baby. Joel.

Leak neighbors near Giant. So the charges took him over, um, Lee Knaverson, Jim Harbaugh was asked at the press conference. And he said, Jim Harbaugh, incredible. I know the question's going to come. up about weapons.

We look at offensive linemen as weapons. Yeah, he called them the tip of the spear. I'm not going to lie. I fucking love it, and he's right. He's the best. He's right. An offensive lineman is way more of a weapon than a receiver. I love it.

I love it. He also has weapons, dude. Josh Palmer. Yeah, I'm Josh Palmer. Quentin Johnson. Quentin Johnson, D. D.C., your guy. Hell yeah.

We'll be just fine. Also, Hayden Hurst, former first round pick. Yeah. He's better than Lamar Jackson. They're going to throw the ball 18 times a game. Yeah. Shout out to the Chargers. I'm sorry, Justin.

Herbert, I feel bad for Herbert. Herbert's going to have the weirdest career ever. Did they say, did they say if All was playing right side, talk about him versus Rashon Slater and last side? I didn't see, but I assume. I had experience on the right side. To me, that's like the biggest question mark of that pick. Yeah.

I actually like the pick. I think it makes sense for what they want to do. They've been just telling us this whole time exactly what they're going to do. Like Jim Harbaugh was quoted. the other day of like, offensive linemen are the only players who don't depend on anyone else or I don't know exactly what his quote was,

but it's like basically like, this is the foundation of the team. Everyone else depends on them. You know, obviously they hired Greg Roman. They got rid of Keenan Allen. Everything they've done this offseason is pointed to like, hey,

we want to run the football. We're going to like run smashout football. Also, like they have the fifth pick of the second round. Like they very likely could take a receiver, a key on Coleman or whoever. A lad. A lad.

A lad. A lad. Maybe. I mean, if I'm them, I'm, I might be the team that swings on Adon, Adonai Mitchell, right?

Because you're going high tail at that point, right? You're like, if this hits great, awesome, we're moving. Yeah, yeah. Oh, high tail outcomes? High tail outcomes, yeah, yeah, yeah. Versus, like, you know, if you're, like, the Niners, I think if they went Adonai Mitchell, I think Adonai's view is kind of like a very high,

ceiling, low floor guy in the league right now. Like, there's some, like, coachability question marks and teams that have them off their boards or whatever. So the Niners, no reason to deal with that nonsense. If you're the charges, you're like, listen, we're going to be bad anyway. We might as well swing for the fences here. Adonai Mitchell wouldn't surprise me for them. The other big one here, the big surprise.

So Brock Bowers fell to Las Vegas Raiders. We are here. Mr. Austin, Gale, he's getting ready. Mr. Austingale, my microphone is now your microphone. Tell us, now you were thrilled that the Raiders were literally barred, like from taking Michael Pennix Jr. or Bonex when they're on the clock. What were your emotions when the Raiders took Brock Bowers? We won the draft when Michael Pennix and Bonniss

taken at 8 and 12. You know, it kept us from ourselves. It kept us from ourselves. We wanted to reach. We wanted to overextend. Then, you know,

all the quotes coming out of, like, Tolesco and Antonio Pierce like best player available. We wanted to go defense, but we felt he was the best player on the board. It's the first time I've heard anybody

associated with the Raiders organization say that in like 10, 15 years. I think that it's going to be sick to watch a good player. And I think you can guarantee Brock Perros is good. I've had a lot of tweets about tight end value and them not moving the needle

and not be moving the needle. I totally forgot about them not being valuable until their second contract but let's throw that Austin. Oh my God. Austin had graphics dude. He had tweets. Did you delete him yet? They're not. I'm going to find him every tweet him.

Austin has been texting me for like the last, well, he hadn't done it lately. So that's why I forgot about it. But there was a few week period there during the pre-draft run up where he was like, I don't know. Like he's too small. There's no good tight ends under this size. Everybody like no one signs a second contract with their team, blah, blah. One of these tweets does say

I would still take Brock Bauerstown overall. So you hedged. I hedged. I hedged. I can't retweet this now. I don't remember sending that to you, D.K., all I know now is Brock Bowers is going to be a future Hall of Fame. And look, he's going to look.

He's so good in silver and black. Oh, my God. We have Michael Mayor. Yeah, yeah. Arguably the hottest tight end of the NFL. And I think you learned. You were like, you know what? Photogenic, we don't want that.

We're going to pivot. We're going to go the least photogenic tight end. Yeah. We're good. We're good. Diki, you literally said during the thing, You said the Raiders having Michael Mayer is good for Brock Bowers because he's not a tight end. This was a great take.

This was my revelation after thinking about it for a few seconds. And I was like, first I was, you know, saying R-I-B to Michael Mayer being a fantasy option anymore. R-I-B. Rest in bed. Rest in bed, bud. But the way I look at this, this is one of the best landing spots possible in terms of there's no. The Raiders cannot try and make Brock Bowers a tight end, like a real tight end. They've got Michael Mayer there.

Michael Mayor can play in line, do the dirty work, be a blocker, all that shit. They can move Bowers around the offense. They can have him running sweeps. They can have him running, you know, ISO routes opposite like the trips formation or whatever. They can move him around, put him in the backfield. They can do anything with him. And the coaches are not going to be allowed to be stupid and like try and make him a normal wide tight end. I think it's great.

Devante Adams, Jacoby Myers, Brock Bowers in the slot. Michael Mayor inline, Gardner, Mitch you to call it all. I mean, I'm there. That's like a really good skill girl. That's 9 and 7, baby. That might be 10 and 6. Guys, there's 15 games. 10 and 7.

That might be 10 and 7. Oh, my God. Wow. So the Raiders now have one of the best receivers in the NFL, if not the best receiver in the NFL and Devante. I think they have one of the best number two receivers in the NFL in terms of skill, like in terms of role players, Jacobi Myers.

I think he's like a really good number two. Yeah. They have a really solid up-and-coming Y titan and Michael Mayer. They have one of the most exciting young tight-ends in the NFL now in Brock bars. He immediately becomes that. So this is freaking sweet. This is exciting. Austin.

Did you hold on to that Dune 2 popcorn bucket? It's being used currently. He's like, it's in this room right now. He's a goon, man. Okay, wait. I also want to do a quick, wait, no, actually, wait, well, we're talking about the past catches.

We have to talk, so the Panthers traded up from the first pick of the second round to the last pick of the first round. This was Hyves' least favorite move of the day. I think that it's a dumb trade. I'm just like, the Panthers are a bad team. I think that they should just like, sit there and take the trade offers.

Just give them, just don't even draft. Whatever. But more importantly. They're a bad team. I love it. I just think they're a bad team. I know it's controversial. Yeah, the team holding the 33rd overall thing.

Yeah. I don't be very good. Dude, the Jerry Jones thing, he's like, where the 20. fourth pick because we're the 24th best team. It's like the Panthers of the first pick. No. But more importantly,

there was this someone, I thought this was fake when I saw this, but someone tweeted that there's a restaurant, they took a picture of a sign. You know, the signs they have outside, like a movie theaters or whatever. It's like they put the letters up. And it's like, it says,

it's in Charlotte in Carolina and says, please let the coach and GM pick this year, like at David Teper, the owner of the Panthers who decided to take Bryce Young over Ced Stras job. So please let the coach in GM pick the year this year. at the restaurant. Someone tweeted that

Panthers owner David Tepper stopped inside to have a word with the owners of the restaurant. And I was like, this is fake. And then the ESPN Panthers reporter was like, actually, yes. According to the manager at Dilworth Neighborhood Bar and Grill, Dilworth. Dilworth.

Dilworth. Panther's owner, David Tepper, did stop by and asked the manager who he thought should make the pick. The manager said Tepper was not visibly upset. It happened about an hour and 45 minutes before the draft. I think that's incredible.

I think NFL owners are probably the worst out of any group of people in the world at taking a joke. I think they're dead last. I really do. Like, I totally agree. Like, do you remember when we were like, wow, draft, still two hours away? At that moment, David Teper was going to a local restaurant to berate the manager. This is the guy who said on the record. He literally said an interview, sometimes I go to restaurants and when a waiter's rude to me.

I think about buying the place to stumble. Oh, God, I forgot about that. This is that guy. It's just so weird that like sports owners, it's just a weird job. Because usually like if you're top dog at a place, it's usually because you're really good at like the business that built it. Right. Like the CEO of FedEx is probably like the guy who, you know, that's Arthur Smith's dad. Arthur Smith's father.

Right. He's really good at shipping. He was good at actually blackjack like Ricky Pearson or whatever. That's right. You can just be like so rich and want to make an investment opportunity and you just buy a team and you have no idea how sports work or how sports business works. And you are embarrassed about that. So you make calls and pretend like you know what you're doing. Screw up the entire.

team and then refuse to admit it and then you can't take jokes. And you're just like, the worst hang of all time is at the highest scale. There's a comedian I really like named Gavin Matz, who is a bit where he goes, billionaires, have you seen these people? Have you seen how ugly they are? It's crazy to have so much and you'd have so little. It's the same thing with like the sports owners. It's like, you have all of this and you're mad that someone's like making a joke about

the fact that the Panthers are bad. What did you think was going to happen? It's fandom. There's a reason there's no hot billionaires. Yeah, crazy thing. There's no hot billionaires. Because if they were hot, they wouldn't be a billionaire. Yeah.

They wouldn't have worked that hard. Yeah, it's true. It's like, yeah. Look, there's a reason where all these guys, like, they could become billionaires and they just like start dating 30-year-old models. And you're like, oh, you just wanted to be hot and you needed to do whatever you could. Just a giant mating dance. 100%. Yeah.

It's like, dude. Jeff Bezos has literally turned into a GI Joe when he became a billionaire and is now with Lauren Sanchez. We don't talk enough that, like, Bezos and Bill Gates and all these guys are, like, single now. But we don't have to get into that. But. Zuckerberg is like, what a glow up. I guess,

yeah, I mean, he looks like a, like a plastic doll. But sure. He's just like doing jujitsu with like U.S. he's like building a compound in Hawaii and just like works out all day.

He tore his ACL last year. He's been, he's been recovering. Like Drake? Or like anybody with a torn ACL. What do you like Drake? I don't know. Oh,

he torez ACL like Drake. Yeah. I guess, yeah. What was the movie he was referencing earlier? Miss Cichia. He's like, oh, so the draft is today, April 25th, you know. Like, Miss Guccinii.

Anyway. I like how his brain works. Hyvith is the best. He's like, you remember that quote from that movie from 1999? Like, no. Yep. All right, wait, what a quick, I kind of want to do like a one-sentence review of how your team did in the draft, how you feel about it. Oh, yeah.

The Giants got Malik Navors. And I would just, I can't even do the quote. I would actually, can you do the thing with the Ricky Bobby? Like, I love, like the vibrate. when the cars go by. I love how you can do it without doing your shake. You can grab the table and shivers. The silverware rattling during that scene is like a fucking chef's kiss.

Like give them an Oscar for sound mixing on it. Like that's just the rattling of silverware and the plates. The vibration. That's how I feel is really good. I want it to be known that in the room, Giant's sort of pig is in. Goodell's walking to the podium. Hi, it's going, please roam.

Please roam. Dunes-I, Roman Dunsay, Romanoi, Romano Zay, Roman Dunsay, yeah. The Giants select, Malik neighbors, why does he ever else to you? Huyves goes, that's good, that's speed, he's fat, that's good.

I'm in, I'm in. Shoo, shoo, shoo, shoo! Immediate hard pivot, and that is that, if there's a lesson. And he was, like, lobbying for me to give him a better grade and all this stuff. That's fandom, baby. The second you team makes a pick,

you're like, I love this guy. People always ask, like, why do people care so much for the draft? There are 275,000 people here in Detroit, showing up for the drafts. Why? It's pure copium. Yeah.

You just, every pick that comes in, you're like, oh, that's right, I forgot. That dude is the best player in this draft. Unless it's a center

and your team's picking in the late 20s. The bucks took a center. Dude, yeah, there was a guy whose face was painted. The bucks pick at, you know, 1130 Eastern.

This dude's outside. It's 40 degrees out. He flew from Florida to Detroit to watch his team draft to center that he for sure had never heard of. Led those who's... Grant Barton. Yes.

He's like, who? Yeah. Not those whose teams took a potential center with a pick in the 20s cast the first stone there. It's fine, yeah. Oh, yeah, what's your one since review and I try Fouts honor? Smart, but boring, but smart. It's the Steelers.

The Steelers always make smart decisions, I feel like. It's never the sexiest, but it's probably like the most, you know, responsible thing to do. I loved it. I thought it was a great pick. He's got good Pittsburgh vibes. He cares tremendously, and he hates the opponent. He's got good Steelers, culture energy. They'll probably take a receiver at 51 and he'll be great.

You're going to get Adi Mitchell. Eddie Mitchell or Jermaine Burton have Steelers written all over them. I would still like Ayuk. Yeah. I don't think they're trade. I don't think they're trading him. He just wants money. I don't have one Iyuk, please.

Do you think Buffalo has T. Higgins by the time the draft starts tomorrow? Those teams are weird. The contenders that they have see do trade together. It's weird. Like the Bills and Chiefs make a lot of deals. The Bengals have dealt with the Chiefs. They're all like competing, but like, they've made a lot of deals together. the bills on the Bengals would be like this neat circle.

They were like the last ones we haven't. I mean, Stefan Diggs to Houston was weird. You're like, man, okay, you're just kidding. Yeah, it was weird. Because like the chiefs traded the Bengals, their left tackle. And then it's like the bills gave them a homes to, I don't know, the whole thing's weird. Anyway. D.K., what's your one sentence review here?

Byron Murphy, defense tackle out of Texas goes to Seattle. This is just a down the fairway good pick for the Seahawks, you know? Not the sexiest thing. He was the second defender taken, I believe. Lottier was the first. I had Bayern Murphy the first defense player taken and then Law 2 went 15 and Byron McPherson. And then I fried.

So kind of just like saw like choke up. Yeah. I comped him in the draft guide to Justin M. out of UK who was a key player for Mike McDonnell's defense last year. Yeah. You know, I think he's the type of guy who can line up at multiple spots on the defense. He's really disruptive.

He's a really good player. It's just like a defensive tackle. And he makes so much sense for them. The best part, like when you start getting to like that stage in the draft, you're kind of like, you're off the board, right? You're off the reservation. You can't remember who's going where, who's falling, who would like them, whatever. So the Seahawks get up and Dek and I are like, like, Dallas Turner.

They think they would take like, all the corners of there, whatever. And then at the same time, we were like, oh, it's Byron Murphy. He's still there, yeah. You didn't think he was going to be there. And you look at it and you remember the Seahawks' defensive tackle situation and their rotation, how much better they have to get against the run. Murphy's a problem solver for them. And I know people say, oh, they traded for Leonard Williams.

They gave Leonard Williams and extension. Like, didn't they have it handled? Yes or no. you have a great defensive tackle next to a bad defensive tackle, you don't have a great defensive tackle. You just work away from that guy. Murphy and Leonard together are going to really raise the floor for the Seahawks defense. One of my favorite picks in the front of the time.

I like this. It's a wild draft again. I know we already mentioned this, but the first defender took off the board was 15. And the Seahawks said after the draft, which I actually do believe, a lot of times it's been, but I actually do believe this.

He was their highest rated defender on the board. He was their overall highest rated defender. Did you see Zach Taylor's face, the Bengals coach, They were picking one spot behind him when they took him and they cut and he was like, oh shit. Yeah. And behind him is Lou Aniromo, Big Lou,

their defense's coordinator. And Lou looks like he's going to murder somebody. Lou had one objective that night. It was to get Byrne Murphy on the team. So I like this. It's just a solid, good meat and potatoes pick. It'll make their defense better. They needed a guy like that.

So, I mean, man, and watching like Washington a lot like this year, he was awesome against the Huskies in that game, the Texas game. He's just really disruptive. he can like he's a little undersized but he can still anchor and like play low he gets really good leverage so i'm happy with it so lack what's your uh one sentence review on the eagles getting quinnia mitchell out toledo go birds no no the seahawks highest rated defensive player was byron murphy the highest grade i gave out for a defensive player this year was quinine and mitchell corner at talita who goes 22 to the eagles

is the best corner in the draft you have small school concerns but like when a player checks every single other box you can have right in terms of like measurable He's exactly what you want in terms of characters, exactly what you want. In terms of production, he's exactly what you want. And then when he played top competition, Marvin Harrison in 2022, when they visited Toledo, he was great in that game. He goes to the senior bowl. He dominates everybody that he lines up to the senior ball. He checks the boxes.

You need him to check for a small school guy. That's where you really find, like, great value on a player. So to me, yeah, Eagles Quinnian, but he's starting, and he's going to be a high-impact player for them early. I love that big. You got one sentence, review on the Raiders? Balding has never been more back. That's good. I like that.

Huge news for a lot of men. air, all right? Austin or Oh, Brock Bowers? Bruck Bowers. Okay. So I kind of want to, like, I'm curious. Who do you guys think one, round one?

I kind of think fart boy did. Trent Balke, the Jaguars GM. The guy, like, again, he literally just farted and was like, excuse me. And then he kind of just shit all over and every, he drought, he traded back and he added like a third and fourth next year and then still got Brian Thomas at LSU for Jagu. So his crime is farting and then saying, excuse me? Yeah. So great crime to be known?

Did I say crime? No, but you were just, I don't know, that was like his defining trait. He like, he like farted and said, excuse me. I'm like, all right, well, I kind of do think it was a crime. He was a crime. Hyvitz the other day said that he thought sneezing and farting were similar. That's not what, well, they're not similar. They're definitely similar.

They're definitely similar. They're definitely similar. Yep. Do you imagine if farts and sneezes sounded exactly the same? That'd be something. Did you, by the way? Totally. Okay, first of all, Austin yell sneezed earlier.

He sounds like the Charlotte Hornets announcer. Every grandpa. Every grandfather he yells. Sometimes I sneeze so loud. I'm worried I'm going to wake up like my entire family.

I don't understand the yell sneeze. It's involuntary. You can't do anything about it. No, it's performative. I don't. Well, kind of. I can be silent when I sneeze. But anyway, you should not be able

to fart publicly, just like you can sneeze. I agree. You can also hold in a fart, you can't hold in a sneeze. Right. And they smell. That's kind of, that's actually number one. Like shit, to be clear. Now that I'm thinking about it, that's a pretty key component. That's kind of like how we were like, oh yeah, also they said

Kirk Cousins like 10 minutes in the thing and we're like, no, that was the first part, actually. Yeah, yeah. Brian Thomas is a good fit for the Jags, but I wouldn't say they won the round. It's got to be Chicago. I know that's like, yeah, I guess Chicago got to get a Aaron Rogers and Devon. Who's going to have exactly two top 10 picks, but yes.

Yeah, so it's kind of hard because it's like... The other person I think won the round one is is Chop Robinson's mom who delivered a 14 pound baby and now he's a first round and full pick. That was worth it. Yeah, my goodness.

Good for her. I will say Jaguars, the trade they got with the Vikings was great, right? They moved back to six spots, 17 to 23. They take a player that I'm pretty confident. They were happy to take at 17.

They get back a third round pick, a fourth round pick and a fifth round pick. That's a good day in the office. Vikings were moving a lot. They were trading a ton of picks. I like them. And similarly, I like the Cowboys. I love that Tyler Guy in who like,

not my favorite player, but again, in terms of handling the day, managing the day, moving back to the picks that they did on so being able to get a guy who they, not just like who we thought was going to go top like, you know, early 20s, but that everybody in their mama knew the Cowboys liked Tyler Guy in. And they still were able to move back and get Tyler Guy in. That's just doing good work in the office.

So I thought a lot of the trade back teams today were very successful. Honestly, the only team that traded back that I didn't like was the bills because they got like nothing. And the aforementioned, Chief stuff. They like moved around in like rounds. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Biggest loser the day? Mock drafts? I don't know, Craig. I got like

seven right, man. Nice. DK cooked. Definitely could have all. You definitely like auto drafts wouldn't have done that. Got in seven for 32. All right. Fucker. I feel like even if, even if you just had to predict which teams would pick when, it would be impossible. Let alone the players, but like, even with the trades, it's like impossible to know

which teams are even going to pick in the first round. Believe we actually agree with this. Take a lot. I don't, I don't know if it's a winner or loser, but we kind of decided 10 minutes in Roger Ginell might have been on pain killers. 100%. Roger Ginell literally had back surgery this month, so it's not

exactly out there. But like, dude, he came out the first thing, first of all, bring it out Eminem to just try to not get booed. Got booed anyway. But then the first thing he says is like they were saying the D. It was the signage here in Detroit, everything is the D. And he says, and he literally said, I've been

waiting six years to say this. Welcome to the NFL draft in the Detroit. He was slurring all night. He was laboring to get out to the podium every pick. He looked like Tiger Woods on like day three or four. Just took me right back to the green. Yeah. When he threw out his back and then he said this.

I was like, that's funny when you said it. You're right. He did throw out his back in that draft when he came out for the chair. Somebody must have hugged him too hard. He was broken. He was like, oh, I'll make the hugs. My St. Christian Wilkins picks him up. He's like, oh, shit.

He seemed particularly slow tonight. Yeah, he was ambling around. Is that the right word? I don't know. No, I agree. Caddell was not. Staggering. Staggering.

Shambling. He also got all the names wrong. What? Yeah, man. Lurching is good. He's one job. He got all, he got all the names wrong. Yeah, instead of Ligette, he said like, legate, staggering.

That might be right. And I was like, I thought I was Ligette. Isn't it Ligette? Zavier Ligette. Yeah. By the way. You just watched the Lakers game. By the way.

Kai, did the Lakers win? Kai, wake up. Yeah. By the way, Zaver Ligat, one of my favorite picks of the first round. Hives is upset about this. He's so good for Carolina. The main thing Carolina needed is explosives without long dropbacks because they can't do that with Bryce.

Xavier Ligate has a walking explosive play. Throw him a screen, 15-yard gain because he's an enormous, very hard to tackle and fast. I love Zavrily get to the Panthers. He's what they wanted. They tried with Chaviska-Lavisca-Lavisca-Schol. They tried with Jonathan Mingo. Zaveral gets the actual product. What do you think made the decision?

Why wasn't the manager? Dan Morgan, aren't really. The gym. I think Xavier Ligget made the decision. He was on like Zoom's four days ago being like, I will go no later than pick 33. They told me I'm going. I can't believe they still picked him.

I would have been like, this guy's not trustworthy. Why did he tell a freaking podcast that we told him we were going to pick him at 33? Just told the entire NFL. Here's my question. You asked who's the loser of draft night, right? You used to be a frame in teams. Which player is like devastated that they got picked where they did

and they got sent to the team that they got sent to? Michael Pennix. That's so, he went eighth overall. He's so great now. It's bittersweet. Spitter Sweet, your eighth overall. Also, the guy in front of you getting paid $45 million you cannot replace them unless he gets hurt. Yeah.

It's weird. Penix gets $22 million guaranteed. And he might just have to, like, not do anything for that. And that sounds pretty. That sounds kind of cool. Atlanta's a lovely city. That's good work if you can get it. Do you think Malik neighbors is like, nice?

Yes. I think he might be the guy. He might be the guy. He gets to play in New York. How dare you? Yeah, but like, I have to imagine Romad Dundon. at nine going to Chicago is probably a little happier right now than Malik

going six to New York. Remember how you got remember how you flew on the plane here together? Yeah, my plane boys. Yeah, my plane boys. Chicago fellas. Yeah, yeah, you think you'd be the second round pick for the Bears? Yeah, I think I'm on their board. Back up, QB.

Bo Neck's must be stubs. I think you're going to trade up for me. Maybe early third. I think it might be neighbors, though. I'm tools. Stop it. That's, no, I have to find someone else. That's not it. He's not the guy. I think neighbors is a good, a good case. Stop. I do think.

Clearly, Jane and Daniels. He literally has been bitching about this for two weeks. Let's ask Austin. Austin, how do you think? Yell it. I think neighbors is fair. Jaden Daniels has been bitching about Washington all week. Yeah, Daniel's a great one.

Do you want to go to Washington? He's like, yeah, that's cool. I mean, I'd rather go to Vegas. But yeah, I'll go to Washington. No, Daniels is a great one. I agree. I think Daniels is a good one. He looked pretty stoked when he got picked, though.

He came out on stage and was like, whooping. Yeah, well, you've been practicing that in the mirror for a while. Neighbors wouldn't even put it on the hat. Oh, yeah? No, he did. Red button. How dare you? I'm like,

hey, look, don't get too excited, all right? I'm going to make some moves. Who showed me of Joe old looking like Billy Madison where he's just so much larger than everyone in the frame?

You know he's got to be the most stoked is Terry and Arnold, right? Everybody else comes out and like their little pocket of fans, right? Like, oh, here comes Latu. The Colts picked him and like the 19 Colts fans who are here like,

yeah, Terry Arnold, the lines trade up to get you. And everybody in Detroit wanted a corner so badly. And Brad Holmes just established himself. It's like, I might be the goat drafter ever.

The heater. This guy can't miss right now. Maybe next year is when the all-time bad draft. And it's just 200,000 people going ballistic for you. Dude, it's the real life. You know how everyone's doing that AI thing of the rapper coming out on the stage? It's like the Joker. And it's like, oh, and it's like coming out to the stage at Coachella.

He like did that in real life. It was just come out to like 200,000. I love that video. That still hits for me. It does hit for me every time. I'm not going to lie. People, I thought it was kind of like hitting the peak because people like Joe Shane's Jim.

I saw one that was like Hitler welcoming OJ. Simpson to hell and it was really thank you so much thank you so much for the last job that's us for the next job

that's everything we got. Tune in tomorrow recap round two round three. Who are the winners? Who are the losers? Yeah,

we should probably get the fuck out of here. Cudel's doctor coming here with the bagels. All right. Thank you. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Selleck.

Thank you, Thank you, Austin. Kai, did you do anything? Yeah, what? How dare you? No, thank you, Kai. Thank you, Kai. Thank you, Kai.

Thank you, Kai. You're the best. Thank you, Connor. Kai bought me a gentleman's Piss Club shirt, so. Yeah, no, that was sick. Kai bought those shirts for us. We wore them at the live shirt. He bought, yeah, he made them, and they were like the hit of the live show.

He designed them. Yeah, he did. Well, did you design them. Oh, he didn't design them. Oh, he didn't design them. Say you did. He stole the design for someone else. Yeah, we were designed those.

Thank you. He stole him from the band that plays the Baywatch song. He's like Ricky Pierce Hall. Oh, wait, wait, Kai. Wait, come here, come here. We were talking about this. How much money would we have to pay you to get the Ricky Pearcehold tattoo? A lot of money.

How much, Kai? I don't have enough on it. Would you do it for $50,000? 10K? 50 grand is a lot of money. Yeah, I would like 50 grand. But you brought up a really good point. How much do you want it?

If this goes out to your listeners and they're like, oh, $5. I was like, could we get 10,000 people to pay $5? Yeah. That's scary. Get the record

that's terrifying me. So, no, it's going to have to be like a milly. Oh, come on. Get the fuck out of here. I'm going to need my spot

of my stock. We'll give you four. We've had over a couple of years, a couple years of the pod, just make some investments. All right. All right. Thank you, Lord.

Lord. Thank you, the temptations. Yeah? Detroit Band. Oh, no, yeah. Dude, I love the temptation. Motes.

My girl, banger. Absolutely. heater the song. Heater. Jackie got me really into Motown. It's like just, I never really like truly listen to the genre and it's odd.

It's incredible. Yeah, great music. I don't know they were Detroit. I got to say Eminem. I don't love Eminem's pivot to like being like, I hate it. Like media facing. Like he like has sold out.

He's like on he's like, it's like he's going to Snoop Dogg way. And I'm like, Austin's losing his mind. Eminem was like hard as fuck. And now it's like you're walking out with Roger Goodell on stage like a corporate show. You're Eminem.

It's because he loves the lions. You're pocket watching right now. You better chill out, dude. He's securing the bag every parent he makes. Eminem doesn't need that. He's doing just fine. I'm telling you, Craig, it's just because he loves Detroit so much. Yeah.

He loves the Lions. You can walk up to Eminem and she's like, hey, for the city of Detroit, would you mind wearing this red polo and khakis and standing next to Jacob's State Farm and saying State Farm Shell is going to turn? Like, that's it. That's fine, but I don't want to see Eminem doing anything else. I don't want to see him going on him. He's too cool for that.

Like, I don't want him to be with. With Malt Stewart making a chicken cutlet on a TV show. Okay? I kind of get that. I want to see M&M make a chicken cutlet. Craig, to your point, did you see he announced a new tour tonight? Like off all of this. Oh, he Taylor Swifted it.

That's impressive. Okay, good for him. Never mind. Hey, by the way, I can't talk because I wear a hat like almost all the time. But like, why does he wear a hat all the time now? Is that his thing? Well, I mean, probably because he's bald. Is he bald?

Why also he probably just wanted to wear a lion's hat? He's like 50 years old. Every time I've seen him in the last like two decades, he's been wearing a hat. Maybe because he's 50. I'm asking you a serious question. I don't know. That's interesting. Let's noodle on that.

Why is Eminem wearing a hat? Turn in tomorrow. That's like, I'm not gonna be it's not a top. I mean, I wear a hat because I'm bald. I don't think he's bald. I can't picture Eminem's head.

Yeah, I don't think he is bald. He's got like just like short buzzed kind of hair, right? He wears a hat like really, really low on his brow and he's always got like a hood up. Maybe he's just cool. I mean, yeah, that's fair. Possible? If you was the comedian who had the video of Eminem,

every Eminem reactor was like, no, no, napkins! You have to see this? No one's, it. It was in Ms. Congeniality. Oh, yeah, yeah. It was in the sequel. And that's...

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