The Ringer NFL Show - Round 1 Reactions: Jaxson Dart or Shart, Shedeur in Shambles, Jags Trade Up for Travis Hunter, and the Eagles Did It Again

Episode Date: April 25, 2025

The guys share their instant reactions to the most exciting picks and trades from the first round of the 2025 NFL draft! They break down the Giants' (Jaxson) Dart throw, the Jags trading a haul for Travis Hunter, Pete Carroll and Jim Harbaugh’s shared obsession with running the ball, and much more. Later they run through a handful of rapid-fire winners and losers from day one. Plus, emails! (00:00) Giants trade up for Jaxson Dart (16:10) Jags give up a haul for Travis Hunter (24:22) Pete Carroll gets his guy Ashton Jeanty (32:21) Colston Loveland vs. Tyler Warren (01:03:38) Favorite picks from Round 1 (01:07:08) Rapid-fire winners and losers (01:19:48) Emails! Check out our 2025 Ringer NFL Draft Guide here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Kai Grady, Troy Farkas, and Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Make sure to follow us on Spotify, where you can, watch every new episode right now. Just head to the rewatchables on Spotify, now on video. NFL draft show. My name is Danny Hyfitz, and I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Quirlebeck. And the first round of the 2025 NFL draft is over. We have done three months of talking about this shit. And now it is actually happened.

So thank God. We have stuff to talk about now. We have results. We have results to talk about instead of just an endless string of hypotheticals. Hyphids, this is, I hate to bring this up. But this is a little embarrassing for you. I know this is a big night for you, and you're feeling great, you're really excited.

I know you wanted to dress up for the occasion, but unfortunately, you kind of got one-up. Adam Schefter stole your outfit on television. Yeah, if you're watching on Spotify, you can check the video. Randomly, I ended up wearing the same outfit that Adam Schaefter did. And this was your idea.

You've always been a sweatshirt over the dress shirt and tie, but still wearing a blazer guy? I'm a huge fan of wearing suits. on draft night with the sweatshirt underneath. And it just so happened that Adam and I wore the same hoodie and tie, which is, again, someone's going to have to change. Yeah. Because I remember you thought of it years ago you were at a wedding

and you were supposed to wear a vest, but you forgot the vest. And you're like, you know what, I'll just throw on a hoodie instead and everybody loved it. You know, when Joe Judge was plucked from Ole Miss to be like the Giants head coach or whatever the hell happened there, I said to myself, one day the Giants quarterback will come from there. And that day, I will wear a hoodie underneath a suit for the day. Do you guys know that Derek guy guy, the die workwear?

Yeah. I wonder if he's going to pick this up. Yeah. I'm looking forward to this. Anyway, he's going to have a field day. So I feel like we got to start with, you know, usually if you listen to our show during the fantasy season, we do have a category every Sunday night called fart or shart. Where we determine if a player's performance, a poor performance was perhaps a fart, something that comes and goes that you can get over or a shart that feels a bit more permanent. You got to change the undies.

And so I feel like we have to start today with a new category called Dart or Shart. Oh, ho. Hey-oh. Well played, sir. The Giants trade up for Jackson Dart, Hyphitz. Where are you at? I'm pretty disappointed.

I'm not going to lie. I am pretty upset about this. I thought the Giants are trading up for Shadur. And I wanted Shador, Sanders. I thought this was great. I didn't want him at three. You did do a lot of lobbying for Shadur during this whole process. I think Shador is going to be a better quarterback,

and I think I'm in a weird place where... It's also kind of like, if you're going to do it, do it. Just takes your door. You know what I mean? I know. And I guess I'm curious what you think, D.K., my immediate take on this and what the Giants did is this feels less like a bet on Jackson Dart. And it feels more like a bet on Brian Dable, weirdly enough.

Right, right. Because frankly, and I'm curious if you agree with this assessment, D.K., my issue with Jackson Dart, it's not that someone tweeted at your blue skyed at you that like Jackson Dart looks like a lost Logan Paul brother, which he does, frankly. Yeah. And that is a pro-oricon depending on how you feel. But I think my issue, like, oh, Jackson Dart, maybe he throws under pressure well

and he can run. He's probably the best runner at quarterback in his class of the Chile Miller. My issue is they ran like five plays at Ole Miss. Like they ran five, it's like the Derrick Zoolander with the looks. It's like Blue Steel, Ferrari, Latigra. It's all the same look. Like, they had five plays at Ole Miss. And they made him look different.

He's not an ambit turner. It's a one read offense. Isn't that what they call it? So the premise of this draft pick and tell me if I'm wrong, but this is my first take with all this. The premise of the Giants taking Jackson Dart is, well, he's not ready for the NFL now, right? It's just you have to sit and develop.

And when he learns the offense and Brian Daibald teaches him the physical tools and then the mental catches up, he'll be great quarterback. My issue is Jackson Dart played at Ole Miss under Lane Kiffin for three years. And he still didn't really seem to get this simple-ass fucking offense that well. Like it wasn't like he had mastered this all in this offense in three years of playing. What are we betting on? So we're just betting Brian Dabels is better coach than Lane Kiffin, right? Like that's what we're doing.

DK.'s, is that not, that's my immediate thought. How do you think he, you don't think he played well within that scheme? I mean, I think he played decently well within that scheme. I think the big question for me is how does that scheme and how does his skill set what he was doing in that offense translate to the NFL? And the answer to that a lot of times is it doesn't. And so you have to, there's a huge amount of projection going on with Dart. Like he has tools. He's got a decently good frame, a decently good arm.

He's decently athletic. I don't think he's elite at any of those things. We've used the word decent four times in the first few minutes. Well, correct. That's why I had him ranked outside the first round. I mean, I just don't, and none of his traits are elite. But there's enough there that you can kind of say, maybe we'll be able to coach him up and turn him into something more than he is right now.

But that's, you know, and that might happen. But that is always the question with these guys. It's maybe he could be something great, but probably not. I mean, honestly, probably not. Can we do, go ahead, Hyfitz. Well, can I push back for a second when, let me explain. I'm curious what you think. My, when I'm saying, because you said, didn't he play well in the offense?

Sometimes we use the word paint by numbers to denigrate Kirk Cousins. And I'm like, this is what paint by numbers is. Is the Ole Miss offense to Jackson Dart? This is a paint by numbers offense. So when I say, I don't think. Jackson Dart master the offense. What I'm saying is what happens when the play goes wrong? What happens when your first read isn't there?

If you've been there for three years, you should probably get to plan B or C. And I'm curious what you think, TK, did you see Jackson Dart get to plan C in this offense after three years? Because I feel like that didn't happen. I mean, not consistently. No. That's an ick for me. And I think that's my problem.

Same offensive. We're talking about Cam Ward played at three schools that were collective six thousand. and miles apart in this thing and then just was bawling the whole time. And then I look at Jackson Dart and I'm like, you were the only guy that had the same thing going the whole time. Like, I don't know. And again, here's what's weird. My emotions are like, this is bad.

My weird cold rational thing is the optimism of like, well, who knows what quarterbacks are going to be good? You trade it up like a third and a future third who gives a shit. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I think the weirdly, my coldheartedness is this is what it means to, the pun everyone's going to make, throw up. a dart is it has to feel a little weird because you never know. I just feel like

I don't like not knowing. I wish knowing that this guy was good and I feel weird talking myself into it. But I get that this is what it means. It doesn't always get to be cool and sexy when you throw a dart. Sometimes it's going to be fucking weird. Yeah. I know that it's kind of just you know, it's a little bit

like maybe I'm just complaining too much, but it would have been better. I would have felt a lot better about this if they just took him in the second round instead of trading up into the first. Maybe that was not possible. Maybe some other team was going to take it. Who knows? But if Shador was on the board, it doesn't change for me. Like, the idea that Shador is, and maybe I'm wrong. Jackson starts sealing that much higher than Shador.

I don't know. I don't know. He has better tools. I think it's, I think Shadur has a higher floor than him. Put it that way. Dart's floor is about as low as it gets. That's the unspoken side. Darts floor is he's a good runner. Can we do a little best case, worst case scenario here?

Because I think with Dart, best case scenario, right? You bring him in. He doesn't have to start. you have Russell Wilson, you have James Winston there. He can learn from... And Tommy DeVito. And Tommy DeVito. Cutlets.

He can learn from those three accomplished veterans. He can learn from Daiball, who's a proven quarterback developer. Of course, people make the Josh Allen comp, even though I think Josh Allen has ruined five years of quarterback scouting that came after him. They were making that comp, too, after... Right, but sure. She's like, okay. Dayball and Josh Allen, sure.

So he sits most of the year. Maybe they bring him in the final three, four games of the season. He looks promising. he's picking up on things and then you head into 2026 with a guy you feel really good about you get rid of all your quarterbacks and dart your guy, he's had a year to develop

and you feel pretty good about where things are. The worst case scenario is kind of like the same timeline in terms of when he plays, I feel like, right? To me, it's such a fine line where the worst case is, sure, you still start Russell Wilson. Maybe you play James Winston if Russ doesn't play well or if Russ gets hurt. And then maybe you still try out Jackson Dart

at the end of the season. But let's say he looks fine. he looks okay. He looks mediocre. Then what do you do going into 2026? Because it's like what the Steelers had with Kenny Pickett, where it was like, well, we're not going to move on after four games. So we're probably just going to have to do this again,

even though we probably know he's not the guy. So you're really like, and if next year's quarterback class is way better, which it might be. And if the Giants suck next year and have the fifth pick in the draft, they're going to be in this awful no man's land of like, oh, we saw four or five games from Jackson Dart. He looked okay. do we stick with this and not take a good quarterback next year?

And then you're like, okay, cool. Now we have the Jackson Dart experience for two to three years and everyone gets fired and you've been stuck in mediocrity. Yeah. I don't know. It's just like one of those plans that a lot of things have to go exactly right for it to work out. But my worry with this and what I wrote in my grade or whatever from this year because I did the first round grades, you can go check that out and yell at me if you want

on NFL draft at the ringer.com. but I'm just worried they're not going to have the patience they really need or maybe Dave all is not going to have the leash and Shane is going to have the leash the length of leash they need for this to really work. And then you could have another coach come in. Maybe they don't like Dart that much. And then this whole thing turns into a waste. You know what I mean?

And so I'm just like they have to thread a needle here to make this work. And that's what I'm worried about. I think there is a chance dart ends up being really good. Like, you know, I was not super high on Bo Nix, but he landed in a great situation, and he outplayed by far what I thought he would be. And, you know, me and Copa on that, but he landed in a really good situation, I think, for him,

and he was better than I thought. That doesn't necessarily mean DART is going to do the same thing, but I'm open to the idea that DART is going to be a lot better than I think. But it is just a huge projection because I don't think we saw a ton of, I heard somebody say it's like NFL quarterbacking type things at Ole Miss. It's just, you know, it's like he's dropping his eyes in the face of pressure and running, when he doesn't have the first read. I thought there was some inaccuracy issues at times.

And I don't know. I just didn't come away super confident that this was a guy to like take a bet on, trade up into the first round to take a bet on. And again, I myself, my tattoo for this off season was to be more humble about quarterbacks. Sure, yeah. And in a world where Bryce Young was benched for Andy Dalton and then outplayed C.J. Stroud when he came back. I'm trying to be more Baker Mayfield. Geno Smith is a starting quarterback.

Baker Mayfields are starting quarterback. Like all these guys we gave up on are good. No one's development's linear. Jackson could be awesome. Lamar Jackson went 32nd in the draft. The Ravens took a tight end before they took Lamarty. It's going to win like three MvPs. No one knows anything.

I'm the moron sitting here dressed like Adam Schaefter with the fucking hoodie over. Like I clearly don't know what I'm... Sorry, Adam Schaefter dressed like me. Yeah. So I don't... So like part of me understands I don't know what's going to happen. And maybe Jackson Dart will be a good quarterback. But my suspicion

within that is, here's the thing, though. I think about the breaking bad line, like no half measures, Walter. The giants feel like they've taken a half measure on their leadership, where they're like, don't really know if they believe in these guys, but they feel they owe it to them because I think that ownership wanted to extend Daniel Jones,

and so they kept Joe Shane, keep Joe Shane, keep Ryan Dable. So they're half measure on the leadership. And now the leadership is half measure in on Jackson Dart, because they don't think he's good enough to take a three, but they'll trade up for him. later in the first round. And so you kind of have like a quarter of a plan. And that seems like a weird thing to bet on.

Is it weird that he's going to be like the third guy? Like if Russ starts and then gets hurt, who comes in? Is it, is it James? Is like how many reps is he going to be getting in practice? Like, how many picks do they, does he get before they pull him out? I think it's weird that there's going to be like two guys ahead of them. I don't know. The whole thing, I get Kenny Pickett flashbacks, to be honest.

Like I feel like the Giants just did a Kenny Pickett. and it's all timing and it sucks because if you guys had the third pick last year, you get Drake May and if you have the third pick next year, you might get Arch Manning. And that's kind of just the nature of the NFL. You would say that, but it's like the Patriots had the first pick at the end of the year and they couldn't even tank successfully. Like it's not easy to just get the pick you want. No, no. I'm more just saying a lot of this is like luck and unfortunate.

A lot of this is just like, do you have a top three pick when the quarterback class is good? You guys didn't? You felt like you had to make a move and you end up trading up for a quarterback who to deserve to be taken in the first round. So we can move on, but overall, I just think Shador is going to have a better career. So we'll see. So Shador didn't get taken. Craig, how did you feel that the Steelers didn't take a quarterback at 21?

I was elated. I was elated. Thank you, Steelers. You did the smart, sensible thing. I don't know who's going to be the quarterback, but I didn't want it to be Shador. We got a detackle. We got Derek Harmon out of Oregon. I'm thrilled.

I wanted any detackle. And we got one. And I didn't want to be shackled to the Shador-Sanders' trance. for two to three years. I don't know what the hell is going to have. Kirk Cousins or Aaron Roger, whatever. But at least I know that like next year, once again, we can figure it out again.

And I'm much more confident next year than this year in terms of the quarterbacks. So I'm thrilled. It's like renting or buying in a bad neighborhood or something like that. Like you have flexibility. You don't have to worry about it. It's just temporary.

No. And also, the Steelers taking Derek Harmon, the defense to tackle at Oregon. I still think at the end of the day, the Ravens ran for 299 yards on the Steelers in the playoffs and teams don't forget that shit. Yeah, I mean, now, I mean, you have Alex Hyvesmith, you have Cam Hayward, you have Derek Harmon,

you have Keanu Benton, you have T.J. Watt. I mean, it's pretty solid. And again, I think the Steelers. They just, I mean, they learned from the Kenny Pickett thing. Like, this would have just been Kenny Pickett all over again. It was basically the exact same pick. Once again, reaching for a quarterback in the first round

when you know he's probably not the guy, but you do it because you're desperate. And I'm glad that we learned from our mistakes and didn't do it again. So, We have a lot of time to figure out where Shador Sanders is going to go. I feel like that's going to be the entire theme of tomorrow's episode. So anything else of the Giants and the quarterbacks in Dart and the Giants got Abdul Carter.

I mean, yeah, I was going to say the nice thing is, and I mentioned this in my report, but it's like at least they did the smart thing and it did take Abdul Carter. Like I give them credit for not panicking and not taking a quarterback at number three. You know what I mean? I don't give them credit for that. I do. I do. Some teams get into that such desperation mode that they take any quarterback that.

it's there. I think it was good that they took a blue chip player at a premium position before doing this. That doesn't mean I like what they did, but at least they did the smart thing the first time. What grade did you give Dart? I think a C-minus.

Sick. The only thing I'll say about Abdul Carter is he said to Mike Renner and Bleacher report on their live stream that he wanted to wear 56 for Lawrence Taylor kind of, which is retired, I believe, but like the same way that, or unofficially retired, but the same way that Ben State 11 goes to the best player.

That would be sick and I want that to happen. And Abdul Carter should get 56. And like, it should be a tradition that the best pass rush against 56 in the team. So moving on, honestly the biggest thing that happened on it, the Jacksonville Jaguars. Oh, right. Trading up for Travis.

Do you guys like, I forgot about that? Yeah, that was a long ago. That was weird. The Jaguars traded up for Travis Hunter. Duky Hauser, the 34-year-old GM of the Jacksonville Jaguars. Damn. Big his balls at the table. Just taking his balls out and slapping him on the table.

First chance he gets. The trade. Dude, he'd set at his post. So wait, the whole trade, I have to read this before we keep going. The Browns sent the fifth pick. Sorry, the Browns, the Browns had the second pick. Jaguars had the fifth. The Jaguars, I keep saying the Rams, because he worked for the Rams.

The Jaguars sent the fifth pick, the 36 pick. So there's second rounder and a fourth rounder and the Jaguar's first rounder next year. just to move up three picks and they got like a fourth runner back. Yeah, the Browns basically moved back three spots to get the 36th pick and a 2026 first. And it's the equivalent.

If you use it, shout out Brad Spielberger and Jason Fitzgerald have like basically a draft chart converter that accounts to the salary cap and what the picks are worth generally. And it was like the equivalent of giving up the eighth pick basically or so like a crazy haul for the Browns just to go up and take Travis Hunter.

D.K., what was you? I have so many thoughts on this. What is your reaction to this trade for Travis? Hunter going to the Jaguars. My immediate reaction was like in almost every scenario, I would probably be dragging the Jags for giving up that an atrocious amount to move up three spots. But at the end of the day, the rule of cool nullifies all normal, the normal calculus

of like how you would decide what a fair trade is because he plays two positions. We don't have any like thing to compare this to previously. This is like an unprecedented type of player almost, not not. literally, but in our generation, unprecedented style player. What we heard, Schaefter said immediately after they made the pick that they're planning on playing him primarily on offense

and then kind of like moonlighting him on defense as they kind of work it in. I don't know exactly how it's going to end up playing out, but they have a big-time playmaker, a ball hawk on defense, a ball winner and, you know, elite athlete on offense.

It's super sexy to imagine what he can do with Brian Thomas Jr. or Trevor Lawrence. Like, there's just such, it's so cool. It's so cool that I almost just don't care about like the normal status quo of how you would judge a trade like this because it just doesn't apply because he's a two position player. It's just so weird.

James Gladstone, who I was going to call Dugie Hauser all year because he's a 34 year old running a team who looks like he's 22. And yet I now will call him James Gladstone because he's heard my respect. It's the fuck them picks thing. He said this is what the Rams did. Yeah. He said I've got some familiarity with the, you know, dem picks thing. Yeah, reference to the fuck them picks.

But like, I actually think it's interesting because. on one hand, I know this is dumb to say, and I know I keep yelling for the rooftops, I think Travis Hunter's going to play two positions. All these trade value charts never accounted for a player that would be two picks. Right. So the Jaguars are looking at this as,

if Travis Hunter is a great receiver and a great cornerback, you're getting the value back and the money you're saving and the picks. So they're looking at it as, like, they're looking at it as they broke the trade value charts because he's playing two, you're getting two picks with one player. And that's why I think the Browns charge them so much. I think that's why Andrew Barry was talking up

Travis Hunter so much at the Combine. Yeah, because that's why Barry was talking about it because he's energy vampire. And I think Andrew Barry, the Brown's GM, was saying, we're going to charge you like, this is two picks because you're getting two players. And the Jaguars were the team who were like, yeah, we will do that.

Yeah, this is what I said in my take purds that the Brown should get out of this because the hype will never be higher and you can get a huge haul and they totally did. And Gladstone, it feels like, I don't know, I think if you squint and don't think about it, this is cool, right? Like, we just did, we just did the live show

and it was the dickhead mock draft. I was like, thinking with your dick versus thinking with your brain. If you think about this with your brain, you're like, I don't know, but if you think about it with your dick, you're like, this is so cool. If you get to your dick,

this is the biggest dick trade since, like, Ricky Williams in 1999. I mean, Gladstone basically, like, is the guy, like, the trope in movies where, like, you go to prison and you just pull. punch the biggest guy in the face that you can find. And Clasden just, like, walked in and put his dick on the table and was like, what are you guys going to say now?

Come at me. Yeah. You're going to say, it looked like a kid now. I'm not trapped in here with you. You're dropping here with me. And so, you know, it's kind of cool. It's like the Jags are, there's now already feels like there is an identity in Jacksonville, right?

It's like you have Liam Cohen. You have Gladstone. You have Trevor Lawrence, Hunter and Thomas. Like, this is going to be like a high octane offense. They're going for it. They don't care. fuck them picks. It feels like they have something going,

which I respect. Just don't think about what they give up. Well, Craig, as you like to put it, think about those other picks, they're probably going to be bad picks anyway. So, yeah, I would trade multiple bad players for the chance to have Travis Hunter on my team. Maybe.

No, I don't know if it's quite the same because the Jabs could very realistically have a top five pick next year. And the Steelers are like the definition of, my point was like the Steelers just have the 23rd pick every year. It's not. And the irony, too, is that that's a good, distinction because the irony is that you know what the Jaguars really needed a receiver in a

cornerback like as much as almost that he team the Jaguars have needed a quarterback for like seven years it's cool like I actually think I'm also just thrilled Travis Hunter's not on the Browns I was gonna say this is so much better for the NFL it is like the NFL like the NFL Travis Hunter not being in Cleveland is sneakily like the happiest person is Roger Goodell because that was the worst place Travis Hunter could have gone he's like we he's gonna have to meet Deshawn Watson are you kidding me we taught we dodged two bullets as as NFL fans. Ashton Jentee and Travis Hunter not going to the Browns? My God.

We're so lucky for that. We had two opportunities. Like, oh, God, it's going to be Travis Hunter. Then we thought it was going to be Ashton Jenty. So thank God. Craig's Neo. Neo out here. You're like dodging. Yeah. Wow. Browns again. I like this from the Jags,

but I think the Browns also, to your point, Craig, you nailed it. I didn't think when you said Browns could trade out of this. I didn't think they could get this a future first to move up back three spots. Yeah, because people were watching to take purge and listening to you say that he's going to be the greatest player of all time. So you're welcome. Dugie Hauser owes me.

Did he know that it was a vampire room? Yeah. No, maybe he didn't know. Maybe he skipped the inch. He was trying to, you know, he just skipped the intro. He just saw the social clip. He didn't have context. Put a disclaimer on there.

So I, the Brown's though adding a second round pick, adding a future first round pick that to Craig's point, the Jackson could still suck and like get a top 10 pick next year. And the Brown's still walking away with Mason Graham and defensive tackle to pair with Miles Garrett. That is excellent business. And then they have the first pick of the second round, so they could just take sure right there.

They also could just trade out of it too. Or whatever. Yeah. Like they could still add more picks. Like, yeah, so. Can I ask one question? So when the Browns re-sign Miles Garrett, there was an understanding.

It was reported that there was some conversation that was had between the Brown's front office and Miles Garrett, assuring him that the quarterback situation would be all right. What the fuck did they tell him? There's still speculation that Kirk Cousins could end up being a Brown. All right. I kind of do think it'll be. I mean, it literally has to be.

I mean, there's no way they were like, don't worry, we're going to wait till the second and then draft Shador Sanders. It's going to be great. But Steelers fan is throwing stones at other people's quarterback plans. What are you going to do with Rogers now? You're just going to sign Rogers?

Like, he's got you. Yeah, we're going to sign Rogers. You better sign Rogers. It's probably Occam's Razor, Craig. They gave him $40 million a year, and he was like, all right, fine, I'll stay. Yeah, he didn't really. That's the plot twist.

He wasn't listening to anything they said. Wait, what did you say, 40 million? You just saw the number and it just started done. All right. That's fine. Whatever. Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool. Okay.

Anything else on the Travis Hunter? I was just going to say before you have Travis Hunter. The pink suit was unbelievable. The vibe was impeccable. I've never been more confident. He is, he was like dancing beforehand, doing all this stuff. He's so like basically holding court up there, the most charismatic person ever. Once again, if I asked you, which of these Colorado football players was Dion Sanders' son?

Right. Once again, I'm telling you you would think it was Travis Hunter. Yeah. It's cool. Lawrence Thomas and Hunter is an awesome trio. Yeah, the Browns got Macy Graham. And then that allowed the Raiders at number six to take Ashen Genti, the Boise State running back who's like, you know, God's gift to earth, basically.

Thinking with their dick, once again. Yeah, DeKade again, all your, so if you, your team, if you want to see your team's grades, DK graded all the team's picks at NFLDraft.3.com. What did you give this, DK for Ashen Gentie? Let's see here. I gave it a... A plus plus. What did you do?

Where am I? am I. I gave it a B. Purely, you know, positional value, longevity, this isn't going to be probably like a 10-year starter

for the team. That's something that you have to take into account with a running back. But also, but also, cool, not quite to the level of rule of cool,

but it's very cool that Pete Carroll sees him as basically his new Marshawn Lynch, the soul of the offense, the engine of the offense, the guy that's going to help them assume an identity of toughness.

Like P. Carroll always talks about completing the circle of toughness. You know, offense, defense, special teams. You got to be really tough on offense defense special teams. You complete the circle of toughness. You can't have... Circle of toughness, fucker. Yeah. You can't be tough on two things.

You have to be on all three of them. You can't have a triangle. You got to have a circle. Okay. But anyways, you know, I think P. Carroll, back when he was with the Ciacos. He hounded John Schneider for months and months and months to call the bills. They called the bills, according to the stories, like 50 times, just basically badgering them to give them Marchion Lynch.

Like over the course of, I don't know what it was, six months or something. And then finally, Carol, one more time, was like, okay, can you call them back again, please? Like, get them to give us Marshawn Lynch. And then Marshaun Lynch came in and did the Beesquake in their first playoff game as coach of the Seahawks, like the greatest, one of the greatest runs of all time to win. and beat the defending champion saints. So, like, this was why I was kind of always thinking maybe Carol will actually do this

because he believes in this so much, having that identity, having the physicality. The way that the offensive line feeds off of it, the way the defense feeds off of it, it's so important to him. He's not a type of guy who's going to look at some value chart and, like, look at the contract and how long this player is going to be on our team. He doesn't give a shit about that clearly. He just wants a guy like Gentie who can, you know, basically be. the avatar of their offense,

the toughness, the physicality, the creation, the grit, the strain, all that stuff. Like, it's so important to Pete Carroll.

Sorry, I've listened to Pete Carroll talk for 14 years. I just know all his messaging. So, like, I just, it gets me going because I do think,

even, like, look, I still believe in the, the idea that, like, running backs are a bad value early on.

But with Gentie, I think he's special enough. And I think with Pete Carroll in particular, with the way that he, with, with how he views that position and that player, I mean, it does make a lot of sense. I mean, it's once again,

it's thinking with your dick versus thinking with your brain. And like, if you just want to think with your dick for a second, the vibe, we've talked about the vibe shift in Vegas. It continues. Gentia and a Raiders uniform, too. Oh, top three uniforms. It's going to be so cool. Dude, three months ago,

it was Antonio Pierce, Luke Getsey calling plays, Tom Telesco, GM, Aidan O'Connell and Gardner, Minchruit quarterback, and it's Amir White at running back. Three months later. it's Pete Carroll, Chip Kelly calling plays, Tom Brady in the front office, Gino Smith's your quarterback,

Ashton Jentis is your running back and you have maybe the best tight end in the league. One of the best glow-ups. One of the best glow-ups ever. It's actually insane. I totally agree, Craig. And also the other crazy thing is, if you just looked,

who are the six best college football players in the last like three seasons? Because I would say the Raiders have two of the six now because I would say Brock Bowers at tight end and Ashton Jenty at running back are two of the best six college football players in those three years. And the Raiders have two of those guys on offense.

now. That's insane. And it's like everybody wants the offensive line. That's cool. You know what? The Raiders have the fifth pick of the second round. Take an offensive line in them. I know, yeah. And I will say on that note, just to, in case, you know, I know for a lot of people, maybe this is the first time you're listening to the show on draft night. Ashton Genty led the, I mean, almost broke the college football single season rushing record. Barry Sanders had fewer games, but whatever.

The second leading rusher in college football this season was Ashton Genty after contact, literally more than every rusher in college football after contact. And my favorite of all the Ash and Genti stats, he had 1,000 rushing yards before he had 100 carries this season, which is just preposterous. And the ultimate, the tape matches the stats. Like the eye test matches the stat test. You watch them, you're like,

this is like the best tackle breaker I've ever seen. And you look up the numbers, like, well, best tackle breaker they've ever recorded. Cool. So just awesome. The other, and then Genty to the Raiders led to Ted McMillan going to the Carolina Panthers. Kind of flew under the radar a little bit, then I feel like.

It did. On the Chicago live show we did on Tuesday night, we had a bit basically like the dark Kermit meme of like, as, like as Craig said, like the dickhead mock draft. You're thinking with your brain, thinking with your dick. And your dick is kind of like the horrible influence devil in your shoulder. Like, do it. And the Panthers are the epitome of this of you, the Carolina literally allowed the most points in NFL history last season.

And they were like, more offense. Yeah. A lot of horny teams in the first 10 picks. What did you? Oh, go ahead. Sorry. No, you gave the Panthers an A plus. Yes.

And I think I understand completely and I really do the idea that the Panthers need to like improve their defense. That that is an important thing. But is there anything more important than Bryce Young's development? If Bryce Young doesn't sort of continue the development arc that he showed in the second half of last year, the Panthers are fucked, like completely fucked because they will have lost so much opportunity cost in making that trade and taking Bryce Young, it's going to take them like 10 years to rebuild their fucking roster. Bryce Young needs to be good for them to ever compete anytime soon.

So I understand that you need to take defense at some point. I'm sure they will in this draft, like add a bunch of defensive guys. But Ted McMillan, I think, is a great addition for this offense. He's a big target, big catch radius, run after the catch. This is exactly what this team needs, like a number one receiver who is going to give them a go-to guy in key situations. Xavier Legat, not that guy.

Adam Thielen, he's almost retired at this point. Jalen Coaker was like an exciting slot receiver that they got, I think, in undrafted free agency. But they needed a guy, like a go-to guy. And I think this is a really smart pick for them. And of course, I like Tim McMillan a lot more than some people did in the industry. But I don't know. I just really liked it. I think the most important thing you can possibly do if you're the Panthers is help Bryce Young, continue his development.

I totally agree. I mean, like, the defense was terrible, but I think they had the, the receivers you just listed, it's probably the worst receiving group in the week. And even like, they don't, the tight ends are Tommy Trembler. Also, we don't know that Leggett's good. Leggett might be nothing. Leggett might be nothing. Jalen Coakers, sure, Adam Thielen's 35.

They're tight ends. They have Jetavian Sanders and Tommy Trembal. Like, there was nobody for him to throw to. So it's like, even if the defense is bad, I totally agree, D.K. The receivers were just as bad as the defense. And also, again. And the running back they took Torres ACL again. Jonathan Brooks.

There's nothing for Bryce. Jonathan Brooks honestly, hopefully is just healthy for the final year of his rookie contract. Like he's probably. I mean, look, I think, and Craig to piggyback on what you're saying, like league, I think he's exciting. He's a really good athlete. He was like my 80-something ranked player. And they took him in the first round last year. So obviously, I'm not just like, you know, liking whatever the Panthers do.

I just think this pick in particular makes a ton of sense. You build a receiver room like you build your basketball team, right? Like, Ted McMillan is what they needed. They need a go-to guy, a guy that can get him a first down, get him a touchdown when they need it. So I'm just really excited about that. Speaking of which, the Bears took Colston Lovell and the tight end in Michigan over Tyler Warren. Very interesting. Yeah.

The tight end at Penn State. D.K., were you surprised by that? A little bit, yeah. I mean, there's definitely a lot of Colston Loveland smoke the last week or two or a lot of people really like him and like him more than Tyler Warren. I think stylistically, they're very different. players. Leveland is more of like a traditional receiving tight end in the sense that he can get up the seams.

He can separate. He has a little bit more juice like vertically going down the field. And like you said, Hyphitz, like you pointed out over the last few weeks, like I think he's a little bit more nuanced and technical as a blocker than than Tyler Warren is right now. I think Tyler Warren is more raw in the sense that he's not a great blocker yet. and he was utilized much more in sort of like the short and intermediate areas than Loveland, who was like running up the seam. So I think Tyler Warren is like way more dynamic athlete in terms of run after the catch, break tackles, run through a dude's face.

Colson Levin was not breaking very many tackles. It doesn't offer a ton after the catch, but he's just a big, smooth, good route runner. A lot of people accompany him to like a Sam Leport and obviously this makes a ton of sense. They were doing this before the draft and now it makes a ton of sense. that Ben Johnson gets his new version of Sam. Ben Johnson was the coordinator for the Lions. Right. He goes to the Bears and they had Sam Laporte in Detroit.

And I want to show at Nate Tice, who was kind of on the Colson Loveland will go over Tyler Warren thing like a month ago. Nate was on top of that. And basically, the line from Great Article he wrote at Yahoo that I recommend was basically, in a weird way, Colston Loveland having a more traditional skill set in college makes him a more versatile player early in the NFL

just because Tyler Warren almost has the jack of all. trades. Like, when he got drafted, they threw up the little graphic of everywhere, Tyler Warren lined up in college. It was like 1,100 snaps at tight end, traditional 500 snaps at receiver, like 300 in the backfield or something. And it was kind of like, but if you're not good enough to line up and block a tight end, then what are we going to have you on the field for? And I think that's kind of the, not the concern. I mean, still went 14th. Also, this was still the first draft in 30 years where two tight ends went in the top 15 anyway. So it's like Tyler Warren's battered. Right, right. But

bears with Tyler Warren Roman Dune's A. T. G. Moore's. I mean, Caleb, I mean, Caleb Williams better be good. Off the, just like off the dome or just my first reaction is, I think he's, I think Loveland is a really fun fit for Caleb Williams. Because Caleb Williams isn't really, and I think Tyler Warren landed in a good situation, too, for his skill set. Did he? Yes, because Warren, I've been telling you guys this the whole time.

I said this. Tyler Warren reminds me of Dallas Goddard, the way the Eagles use Dallas Goddard, where you're going to get him heavily involved in the screen game, run after the catch, Create yards on your own. You never know where they're going to get him involved in the screen game. Middle screens out on the edge. They can even put him in the backfield where they have Anthony Richardson, Jonathan Taylor, and Tyler Warren doing God knows what in the red zone.

It's going to be really fun. Wait, someone, do I say skeeted at you on Blue Sky? That seems terrific. Yes. Someone skated at you in Blue Sky that Tyler Warren is perfect for the cults because he can play quarterback when Anthony Richardson's tie. They're just getting as many people as they can who can throw the ball instead of Anthony Richardson.

Dude, it's so good. When he taps out, They just put Tyler Warren back there. And all Anthony's asked. And all Anthony needs to do is just throw screen passes now. This is the dream. And that's why they got Tyler Warren. He's so big.

He can't, Richardson can't miss Tyler Warren from that close. Yeah. Right. So Tyler Warren lands in a system that's run by Shane Steichen, who, you know, comes from the Eagle system and everything. And I think that, you know, you guys always kind of get the ick when I say Dallas Goddard. I think he's a souped up version, a better version of Dallas Goddard.

I don't look at Dallas Goddard as a pejorative for the record. I really actually think he's a good player. He's just been hurt a lot lately. But Warren, he's going to be in a situation where getting the ball out quickly, Anthony Richardson, get him some layups, help him out, help him out, run after the catch, create on your own. Like, that's only going to be good for him. I don't know if he's going to be as productive as we're hoping he would be, just because now he's attached to a player who currently is a bad quarterback. But with Loveland, it's the opposite where Caleb Williams is holding on the ball. he likes to attack vertically.

He likes to go for the big play. He likes to throw the ball up to a guy, let him make a play on the back shoulder. Loveland's really good at all that stuff. And so I think actually fit-wise, now that I'm thinking about it more, that it definitely does make a lot of sense. It does, I see what you're saying.

It makes a ton of sense that Tyler Warren would. And you know why Dallas got it such a nick? Because he hasn't scored five touchdowns in season in six years. And I think that what you're saying is... It's a bad example because... Because he's on Jaylon Hertz's team. Because the upside...

What if he did score touchdowns and was also a better receiver? anyway, and that's what you're saying about Tyler Warren. Where you're right, because honestly, Dallas got her two touchdowns all last season. I think there's a world to your point where Tyler Warren is two touchdowns in week one. I don't use the Goddard example as like, here's how productive he's going to be exactly. It's just like stylistically, Goddard has always been, and going back through the years, always been really high on the ranks in terms of yards after the catch and screen games

and just the way that they utilize him in that offense. So I don't know. That's why I always kind of picture what Tyler Warren can do, but I think he's a, he's a more physical, better athlete who is more elusive after the catch. So there's a lot more to him than just what Dallas Goddard is now. But I think just like the way that they utilize him. Okay. We did Craig's 1.0 mock on Wednesday.

Yeah. Yeah. So, Craig, you had the Packers getting a receiver in the first round, which I thought was like, oh, they'll never do that. And then Mark Murphy walks out on the stage at Green Bay and is like, we took a receiver, bitches. And then everyone went nuts. The Matthew Golden entrance after getting picked.

Pretty epic. Sick. So sick. It was like one of the all-time cool moments of the draft that I can remember. Honestly, they were doing like the Go-Pack Go chant for a solid three minutes maybe. It was crazy. It was like a reliever walking in in the ninth inning.

You know what I mean? Matthew Golden just walking so slowly. To forever. I was like, this is fucking rad. I was like actually really hyped up for that moment. It was cool. He looked so nervous in the hall. And then Matthew Golden, the receiver at Texas comes out to the stage.

And he's like, oh, he grabs the mic. That was awesome. That was really cool. Cool. Cool moment, yeah. Kind of, kind of an awesome pick, too. And it's kind of funny because now the Packers just, they went from having one number one receiver with Devante Adams and five number fours.

And now they just have like five guys who should be a number two receiver. I know. That was actually, I gave them kind of a poor grade because of that high fits. Like, the first time they take a receiver in the first round since 2002 and they, you gave them this. This was the guy they took. because it just does it's not that I dislike the player I just think it's a strange pick because now they have like like you said four or five number two receivers

jaden reed uh dubs wicks and Watson Watson who is hurt but it's like they need a number one and that's what Josh Jacobs was saying they need a number one the whole time this whole pre-draft process maybe Matthew golden ends up being a very good number one I'm not ruling that out but I think this whole process we've been kind of saying Matthew golden great complimentary piece looks like a really good number two, a Z receiver who can kind of move around the formation. That's why we liked him for the Cowboys, or I did anyway, because he's going to line up sort of opposite C.D. Lamb and do his thing.

But now, based on the spicler, are they expecting him to be a true number one receiver? Well, I think that the Matt Lafleur is the one, the head coach of the Packers is the one who's like, makes me want to puke. Makes me want to. You said that. It makes me want to puke. But it's like his whole thing is he wants to be able to move everyone around to go and to do that.

Honestly, the Packers have the, it's always sunny, cats in the wall thing going out receiver. It's like, oh. You love the Cats in the Wall bit. I don't think with that should be the jars The Cats in the Wall bit for Hyfitz, I think. No, the jar, someone emailed in. The jar, Craig's Warriors, D.K., well, for me,

it should be mentioning Jackie. Every time I mention Jackie, that should be the job. Oh, but that's sweet, though. Yeah, that's nice. Well, so is it's always sunny. But no, it's always sunny, like Cats of the Wall is just like, oh, yeah, I'm thinking a third. I just feel like they're sick in this crew.

It's like, all right, we know our ceiling with these guys with Wicks and Watson, and it's like, We got to take another bite at this apple. And I thought, yeah, I thought Packers were going to go defense because the pass rusher cornerback, the other team that did something very similar is Tampa Bay, where you're like, well, they're going to go bass rusher, right? They're probably going to, and then they had a Macabook out of Ohio State. That was also kind of puzzling to me.

Man, everyone's comping a booker to Chris Godwin kind of before the season. And then the bucks, Chris Godwin's hurt as a season-ending ankle injury. The bucks convinced Chris Godwin to come back from the, Pats make Chris Godwin a godfather offer in free agency. The bucks are like, we'll give you $22, $24 million a year, and come back to Tampa Bay. Then the Bucks draft Ibuka, presumably, to be like at least some kind of Chris Godwin, if not a compliment, maybe a replacement one day.

But they also had Jailer McMellon from last year. They had Jailer McMillan from last year. They have Jailet McNeillan, Mike Ombuds. But here's there, I think this is to me the example of like the true example of what best player available looks like where it's like, yeah, we have a bunch of these guys, but like we love this guy. And like, I got to tell you, I think that's good process because I don't know, it makes sense. I agree with you.

I agree. This feels like you're getting ahead of things. Like you kind of know what's coming. Mike Evans is like, in his early 30s now, Godwin the injury. Things can get dicey quick and having Abuka and kind of fills any holes that are potentially coming, I feel like, for Teva. I mean, I love Abuka, and I think he has a really high floor.

I just was like a little puzzled. I was like, okay, so what's the plan on how to rotate these guys? Not that it really matters, but I was just, I was a little confused. I think next year it could look really smart that Abuka is on the team. If the worst thing that happens is the bucks of four awesome receivers, it's a pretty good problem. That's true. That's true. But I think, yeah, I just, I mean, I think that honestly,

what I think it is is Tampa Bay understands how valuable it is to have Chris Godwin. To have a receiver that not only isn't a... I mean, some receivers are assholes. And I think that Tampa Bay understands you know how credible it is when the wide receiver on your team like Chris Godwin is actually like... Like Mike Evans is a captain on Tampa Bay.

Like Chris Godwin's like a leader. Like, I think when you have the receivers setting the tone of selflessness, I think it says something. And I think that Bucks, maybe they know the value that more than anyone. Maybe in Bucco will end up being the Buccaneers all-time leading receiver and never be the best receiver I see.

He'll ever be better than Mike Evans or Chris Godwin, but elite Tampa Bay. Just like he did in college, yeah. So some teams taking, like, you know, Bucks Packers took a bunch of stuff they already needed. Then you have the, or sorry, stuff they already had. Then you have the Atlanta Falcons who I have been saying

should draft a pass rusher for five or six, seven years. I mean, everybody's been saying it for that. Everyone's been saying it. No, as far as I'm the only, you had that corner. I wore this outfit today. And then Adam Schifter copied me.

and I said the Falcons should take a pass rush or no one else noticed. But they take Jalen Walker, the pass rush right to Georgia. Love that pick. 15th. Yeah. Then they trade back into the first round after the Giants did with the Rams. Hell yeah. Hell yeah.

So Riqui Morris, the coach of the Falcons, trading back with his old team, the Rams, because he worked for Sean McVeigh. And the Falcons give up their first round pick next year, which again, usually only happens if you want a quarterback or if you're going to, the Jags going to get Travis under who plays two positions. and they take James Pierce Jr. a very promising pass rush to Tennessee. So in one day I'm like,

I did tell you to get a pass rusher and you got two. But holy shit, the Falcons gave up a first round pick to go and get an edge rusher. Do you ever have like a fantasy draft where you are going through the draft and then you make a pick?

And then you're like, oh shit, I already picked a quarterback or whatever it is. I'm like, I didn't need that guy. And you look back on your draft. You mean kind of like the Falcons last year

when they signed Kirk Cousins and then drafted Michael Pennix? It's like they had. object permanence? Like they don't know anyone else on their team if they're looking at one guy. Yeah, they're like,

yeah, yeah, from Stan lot. They just do everything twice. They're like, they got the surfing turf. Like, I'll get steak and lobster. Fuck it.

I think it's kind of cool. I don't know. Yeah, but they paid way too much to trade back up in the first round. I think it's also funny that they're doing what the Rams did last year

where they're adding two players at one position. Like the Rams try to replace Aaron Donald, the aggregate. And they got like these two teammates that had this whole thought process that they would

work together. and then the Falcons who came from the Rams were just like, yeah, let's do something like that. And then got these two totally unrelated players to play pass rusher as if those two guys would just work. And it's just funny that they did the trade with the Rams. Also, if you look at that scale, the Fitzgerald Spielberger scale,

this trade up was the least egregious according to that scale compared to what the Giants did and what the Jags did. Because they moved from 46 to 20. I think that's bullshit, though. This is not me defending what the Giants did. The Jags thing was a really hyper-aggressive move. Yeah. Yeah, and it was for what we believe is a generational, probably two-position player,

whereas Pierce was not in my first round on my board. But a lot of people think he, I mean, at least on the broadcast, they were saying that a lot of people think that, look, the people I'm listening to, the people I'm hearing. Yeah, the people, the inside, you're the insider listening to the insiders. My guys who are pretty plugged in, let's just say that. The guys that are listening to are no, a lot of people. And they're saying that James Pierce physically has the potential to be one of the best pass rushers in this class. I think the difference is the chart is a guideline, like Pirates of the Caribbean, like, there's no rules.

And again, what we're talking about the trade charts are like, I mean, Jimmy Johnson literally just came up with a random system he had. Where he has some accountant to just make a system of what are all the picks worth and just to have a system of how to trade. So like the value of these picks when you have like all the swaps and everything, how do you actually calculate that? And then everyone used that for 30 years. And they were like, why are we just using this one thing that Jimmy Johnson invented 30 years ago? So then they actually started like factory in the salary cap and how much the, the picks get paid and what the positions are worth and how good they usually are and historical value to the picks and everything. It's much more scientific now. The difference is you have to kind of

tweak it mentally to the actual draft of that specific year. So for example, the Travis Hunter trade-up is more expensive because one, he's part of the three-person tier at the top of truly great players and he plays two positions. So it's more expensive. There's also always a quarterback tax. If you're coming up for quarterback and the team knows it, you're going to pay more. Like they're just going to charging more. It's just an accepted fact. The weird part of the James Pierce thing is the Falcons gave up a first to move up the 20 spots. That's what they're paying for because the Rams went from 26 to 46. But that's kind of the same tier to a lot of teams. We've talking for like two months that the 10th player

and the 40th player is more or less the same. Like the Rams are kind of still in the same tier. And I think that's how they're looking at it is they picked up a first round pick for someone that they don't necessarily will feel that different about. They also can use the first-run pick to very, very, very, very easily move up and get like five picks and just get the guy they wanted anyway. Like, you go from 46 to 39 and get the guy they wanted at 26. This must just mean, I mean, this probably just means that like the Falcons had James Pierce pretty high on their board and they wanted to pounce. Well, yeah, obviously. I think, but like also you can look at the trade value chart or whatever, but like we don't know what the Falcons pick is going to be in 20206.

If that is a top 10 pick. Oh, my God. And they end up being really bad. The playoffs? That's a fucking valuable pick. Yeah. If the Falcons miss the playoffs, that's, and oh my God. But yeah, and again, but the flip side.

Top 15 pick. I mean, it's just, it did. But if James Pierce Jr. is good. The flip side, though, is it Pierce Jr. and Jalen Walker are good. And then the Falcons suddenly have like seven first run picks on offense and a pass rush. Like, that's, that team could make a Super Bowl run. So I get it. The Falcons, I think the big takeaway, I think, generally speaking, is just that the Falcons are a wild card.

I mean, last year with Pennix and then this year, um, with the, the trade back in. It's just like, man, they are, they're all over the place. They're moving around the board in a very haphazard sort of just cavalier way. So it's, it's weird. I want to get to some of the offensive linemen. And we were joking that offensive linemen are like that the joke from, who is, Brian Regan? Who makes the truth?

Brian Regan, it's, I saw a log truck going down the highway the other day. And then he passed another log truck going the other way. And I thought to myself, well, well, if they needed logs, and they needed logs. Seems like a phone call could have saved a lot of trouble. And if we're being honest, offensive linemen are just logs. Offensive line,

and a team gets like, oh, good logs. Just rotate, just give me some different logs. Kevin Banks, cool. Good log for, yeah. And so I want to just do the log log log or, as Craig suggested, Bob Loblog's log blog. Bob Lobloblog's log blog. Bob Lobloblog's log blog of all the logs,

starting with D.K, you're Seattle Seahawks. who after two months of talking about how they wouldn't draft for need, then took Grace Abel, who is an offensive lineman that they definitely needed. How do you feel about this? Thank God. Thank God they picked him. I think everybody in Seahawksland, or least the people that I've talked to, are pretty happy with this pick.

Maybe not super ecstatic or sexy or whatever, but he is a player that comes in and will be immediately like a starter, I think, and play a very important position of need for them. Their interior offensive line is terrible and has been terrible for a long time. So I think this is kind of just one of those like hit it right down the fairway. What do you think is able to play? Does he play center after your center like retired in the middle? Center or guard. Yeah. Not sure. But I'm sure they'll play him at both probably early on and kind of trying to figure it out what he's best at. But he played center. He played guard and tackle in college. And then he played center at the senior bowl. And it was very impressive. One of them like I think from, you know, reports basically one of the most impressive offensive linemen at the senior ball. So I mean, I'm excited about it. the pick. It's one of those ones that's not super sexy, but I just desperately wanted them to

take an offensive lineman. I think Highfitz, I talked about this on Rissill the other day. Like, if the Seahawks don't take an offensive lineman, I'm going to be distraught. And they did. And so I'll give them credit for. I'm happy that they did that. Speaking of getting credit, Dallas Cowboys took Tyler Booker, the guard out of Alabama, which some people, though, as a reach. And let me tell you something. If D. DK nailed what the definition of analytics is just trying to go do, all analytics are just trying to pursue. What do your fans who hate your team want you to not do? As a Giants fan, I was crushed that the Dallas Cowboys took Tyler Booker.

Really? That's an awesome. I was distraught. I would have so much rather the Cowboys took Matthew Golden or someone like Dallas doubling. Dallas took all these offensive linemen 12 years ago and it set them up for 10 years of being pretty good. And the idea that the Cowboys are still smart enough. And Jerry hasn't been locked in this Ocean's 11 vault yet. And Jerry still got it.

And Jerry still knows Zach Martin retired. Like give me another guard that actually could play 12 years ago to the Hall of Fame. also, more importantly, Tyler Booker, single happiest person to be drafted I've ever seen. Seems like just a hell of a time, Tyler Booker. Just like a lovely, hilarious person. I don't think I've ever used the term unbridled joy before, but that is what came to mind watching Tyler. He was doing spins in the hallway. He just was like prancing.

This like 350 pound guy, or not three and 50, but like very heavy man. Pretty close. 330. 330 pound man, literally prancing being like, I'm a cowboy. It's funny. He was moving better than I expected because he was one of the worst testers of all time. This is good. He's not a good mover.

And I'm like, he looks like he's great at moving booker. I don't know what you're talking about. He was pretty light on his feet. I like that you're still scouting. Scouting until the last moment. Hell yeah, man. You got to get your eyes on them in different situations. Did you guys see when he, after he got drafted, he went on the Micah Parsons pod and he was

like radioing in or whatever. And he was talking about how his greatest joy as a football player is when, when opposing players get all excited to play football and they love the game and they get out there and they're having a good time and then Tyler Booker slowly drains the life from their eyes

and he loves watching the life from their eyes drain. He said watching their love. He says, I love watching people lose their love for football. That's what he gets him off. That's my favorite thing and Michael Parsons was stoked. That's the John Gruden thing

when Gruden's like, you want, oh, people, I've got to get dreams, you've got to be a nightmare. Tyler Booker's like, I want your love for football. He's a very, he's a very, Yep, he's an energy vampire. High fits.

All the coolest players and like all the real sicko guys, they love playing on the road because they love shutting up opposing fans. You know what I mean? Well, this is so this is a couple things. Number one, this is what we were talking about a couple weeks ago when Tyler Booker, he tested terribly. He like bottom fifth percentile or whatever it was in so many of these tests. And but at the same time, like very same time,

a bunch of people, including Tom McShay, were reporting that he had like some of the interviews of any player in the draft. I can see during the combine. So like all that kind of checks out. It's obviously and we were even joking. Like is this guy like the best hang or what? Is he super funny? He clearly is the best hang.

Yeah. But number two, Hyphids you brought or Craig, you actually mentioned it, but I heard the greatest line. I meant to talk to you guys about this because I thought it was just so great. MJD. Maurice Jones Drew was talking on the NFL Daily pod like a week ago. And he was talking about, he was talking about, Trevion and Henderson, but I think just generally it's a great expression, great scouting term.

I wanted to bring up to you guys. He was talking about how Trayvon Henderson knocks some football out of guys and how that's what coaches just want a guy who's going to knock some football out of you. And basically what that means is like once you hit that person, they just don't have quite as much desire to come back and come at you and like hit you again and get hit again. Just knock some football out of you. I think Booker is like the quintessential just knock some football out of guys. When I was a freshman in high school, I was 5 to, about 110 pounds.

And everybody who tried out for the freshman football team made the team. And I wanted to play because all my other friends played. And so I joined the team. And it's my mom's biggest regret as a parent was allowing you to play that one year. And I believe it was the first practice. We did some like whatever, Oklahoma drill. Or I think it wasn't the Oakland. It was like something where you like turn around and face each other and then sprint towards one another.

And I think that's the Oklahoma. Is that the Oklahoma? Are you turned around with the Oklahoma? Okay. It's like a showdown. I can't remember because I was likely concussed. But literally the first collision I got knocked on my ass and I was like, I hate football. I never want to do this again.

And I literally had to knock the football out of you. I had the football knocked out of you. I came home limping. My mom was like, I was practicing. I was like, great. In my head, I was like, I never, ever want to go back. Tyler Booker literally just does that every day. Just how he feast.

Knock some football out of you. So, yeah, I'm pissed that he's on the Cowboys. I don't want a guy cowboy to be like that. That's a very convincing argument. I didn't give this a great grade just because he's a guard only. It's because you graded it before you saw him pranced down the hallway. I graded it before I heard that he likes to drain the life out of his opponent. He's an energy vampire.

Complementary. Other logs, other logs log from Bob Lobblah's log, log. The Jets took Armand Membu, the Missouri offensive tackle, right tackle, and honestly just board fell perfectly for the Jets. Quietly, Jets actually have a really good offensive set up now. I don't know if you feel that Justin Fields a quarterback, but you got Garrett Wilson receiver. Dude, they're going to run the shit of a ball this year. Dude, Olu Foshano at left tackle, Membu at right tackle.

You have Elijah Vera Tucker still. He was also a first rounder. That's three first rounders on your offensive line. And then you have Joe Titman, who is Ohio State, who is your center, who was a second round pick. I don't know if he's going to be good, but he was the second round pick. And then John Simpson, who, I mean... What's his Madden rating again?

Awareness? rating because, you know, Brick Johnson, loved the awareness rating. Did play well. Suddenly, that's actually a really good team and just Justin Fields is there.

Like, I don't want to say Justin Fields is set up well on the Jets, but Justin Fields kind of set up well on the Jets if the Jets get another receiver on this team. I know. I kind of like it. Saints took Kelvin Banks Jr.

out of Texas. I have nothing to say about this. Yeah, it's like a perfectly fine pick. He's like last year when they took Talis Fawaga. It's like he's a guard who the Saints have ranked as a tackle. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. He's another guy that had sort of like shorter than you'd want arms.

It's very similar to last year. Yeah. And so, yeah, the Saints are just like, yeah, I guess we'll see what the Saints do, a quarterback. And then, oh, yeah, Austin Texx. Did you see the, I did see the Banks baby. Yeah, I wasn't sure we were in top of this. I think, I don't know whose baby was there on the couch. I don't know if it's Kelvin's baby or someone else's baby. There was a baby and they were so excited that they kind of shook the baby. Well, I don't know. I watched it. I don't know. Maybe maybe I met and saw a different. clip or whatever. I didn't think it was that egregious. Like, she's just kind of bouncing the baby on her lap a little bit and the baby puked. That happens. Yeah.

But people were saying, like, they were very egregiously shaking this baby. I didn't see it that way, but maybe I didn't see the right clip. Also, I mean, a lot of people threw up on live TV that aren't babies that are full-grown adults. Yeah, Tracy Morgan did it. Sitting courts out at the Knicks. Yeah. There you go. Get the baby tickets. Okay.

The way that babies puke is so funny. It's just they're just sitting there. than every day then just like randomly she's like, bet. Dude, those are my favorite memes

are like people say, dude, just like, just like, just comes out. We'll send pictures of the cat

and it's just like, I fru up. Vikings took Donovan Jackson Ohio State. I thought this is literally just, every no and then you have a draft pick

that is directly like a through line to how they lost their last game. Yeah. And this is directly like, yeah, you saw the Rams kick the shit out of us in the playoffs

like where you need Donovan Jackson. Smart, smart pick. He used the guy. guy who came in and played left tackle after Josh Simmons went out last year. He's obviously bringing in a lot of versatility. And that's big for a team that needs to protect J.J. McCarthy this year coming off of an injury. They really need him to play well.

Just smart. I liked a lot. Another direct through line. The Chiefs taking Josh Simmons. Trading back with the Eagles. Dancing with the Devil. I guess they just wanted to take this pick from the Eagles. But the Chiefs taking Josh Simmons at Ohio State, just another direct through line.

They're like, yeah, you see, let's get the shit kicked out of us in the Super Bowl. We need alignment. I'm more. I can't believe the Eagles did it again, though. The Eagles getting Giac. I come to Giacobled to Zach Bonn over and over, and then the fucking Eagles got him. Every year.

Every year. People are going to complain that I'm glazing the Eagles. I keep glazing the Eagles all the time. Howie Roseman, constant subject of glazing. They gave up the 164th pick. He was my 11th overall player. I think there are 11 on your big board. There's some reports out there,

and I don't have any, like, you know, first person knowledge of this. But there were some reports that he's got some issues. with his knee. No, they said it on the broadcast. Shefter said it once he got drafted. That she had Campbell got surgery on both shoulders, I think, and his knee. So, yeah, obviously this is one of those situations. He has to still get surgery on one shoulder.

He already had surgery in another shoulder, and he has a knee issue. Yeah. So obviously, you know, there's a reason that Campbell fell this far, but I don't know. I love this anyway. This is just a typical eagle's move. It's like grab the guy who's falling for one reason or another and then, like, plug him into your system, put them around a bunch of really good players, and let them thrive. And it reminds me of, like, a couple years ago, when the Eagles, it seemed like the Eagles

were going to take Jalen Carter with the 10th pick. And if he wasn't there, they were going to take Nolan Smith out of Georgia, both Georgia guys. And then they had to be able to move up one spot with the Bears, get Jailen Carter, and then we're just slack-jaw stunned as they watched Nolan Smith fall all the way back to them at the end of the first round. I think this feels very similar where they probably couldn't believe Jihad Campbell fell to them. Well, Schafter said that they tried to trade up to get Jehad Campbell, they couldn't, so they had to wait, and he still fell to to them. Dude, you know what that reminds me of? Well, yeah, it was very strange. They gave 164th Beck. You know what that reminds me of? The Eagles? You know, like, Franz Ferdinand when he was shot

when he was shot and World War I and that started World War I everything? Yeah, I remember that? Yeah, you heard a World War I. You heard a World War I? Do you know the story of how Franz Ferdinand was shot? They tried to like... They like took a wrong turn. They tried to blow up his car. And I think the driver threw the bomb out and it just didn't work. Yeah, and then the killer, the killer like went to a restaurant and was just hanging out of this restaurant. They were at a bar. Just like the worst,

like the worst fucking turn of events, imagine. The assassin is just at the bar drinking. And then led to a world war. Yeah, so he's at the bar drinking and he's like, fuck, I failed. And he turns around and the fucking car, there he is.

Just parked outside for directions at the bar. And he's like, holy shit. He walks up, he shoots Franz Ferdinand. That's the fucking Eagles every time. They're trying to trade up. And then they turn around like, holy shit. Tortured analogy, but yes. Sorry, yeah, those post-prey.

Anyway, yeah. That's like Walton Goggins. That's like Walton Goggins and White Lotus when he goes back to the hotel after. I'm like, what are you doing? Oh, that's so much better. Yeah, that's a better. You know? More topical.

Spoiler. But yeah. Yeah. It was more topical than mine. I do like the history lesson, though. It's kind of fun. Yeah. It is.

It is, anyway. That'll make the no-context ringer Instagram account. Friends, Ferdinand. But overall, I guess all the, Craig, you noted all these young quarterbacks did get offensive line out. Yeah. Craig May, Bryce Young, J.J. McCarthy, J.J. Daniels, they gave all these guys offensive linemen, which is just smart, safe, responsible thing to do. Okay.

What were your favorite? D.K., was your favorite pick from the first round? Oh, God. Let me look. Come back to me in a second. I'll think about it. I mean, I honestly, I wrote down Baltimore taking Malachi Starks, the safety end of Georgia.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a great one. And then the Eagles took Jihad Campbell and I was like, fuck, I hate them. I know. I'm taking that out of it because we just paid them so much. I texted you guys right before the show basically like, of course the fucking Chiefs, Eagles and Ravens all had three of my favorite picks in this draft. It's kind of like always how it happens it feels like. Ravens, I mentioned this on the Wednesday show,

but the Ravens getting Malachi Starks is like so huge for the, their defense because Malachi Stark is an absolute flaw. This was in my mock, I think it's really underrated. In a way, unquantifiable to, and I mean that literally, like, I don't think there's data that really captures the impact of having two really high-level safeties in your secondary that are interchangeable. Yeah, interchangeability. But Kyle Hamilton and Malachi Stark's in the same defense.

The Ravens patched together a defense last year with Ardarius, Washington, at strong safety. Now you have Malachi Stark, Kyle Hamilton. They're basically going to be the most versatile defense in the league as long as those two guys are able to play. So I thought that was unbelievable. for them to be able to snag. That's a really good one. I mean, Josh Simmons going to the Chiefs.

He's another guy. He's another guy that is coming off of a major injury, so that's the reason he fell. There's a really legitimate reason he fell to this spot. But man, when he's healthy, he could be a long, like a 10-year starter for them if he can stay healthy and get that knee right. He had a Pateller injury on the knee,

and Pettlers are always kind of tricky. But the reports coming out prior to the draft were that his knee got checked out, and everything was looking really good. So we were sitting on the couch when the chiefs took Josh Simmons. And Jackie just turns to me and says, JAR. I think it's what, what did you say?

JAR. Flex is going to turn into JAR. Flex is going to turn it to JAR. Flex is JAR. The flex jar. Flex jar. Jackie turns to me and says, it's kind of wild to just draft players who are injured. And I was like, yeah, it kind of is.

There's shades. Wild. Yeah, they're shades of gray. You get him at a discount. It's true. No, I mean, Josh Simmons was probably the best tackle in this class. He's probably top 12 pick.

I mean, when you watch him like pass block, it's pretty incredible. He's so smooth, so fluid, such like light feet. But yeah, I mean, the injury thing is a massive thing. And also, he's just, you know, he didn't have a ton of tape because he missed most of the season against all their good, like, opponents. But, man, it could be a really good pick for them, as my point. It's like, same with the Eagles. Same with the Ravens. They're just like, man, how did the rich keep getting richer when they're at the fucking end of the.

That's what you had Campbell said on the stage, too. He was like, the richer get rich. And I was like, that is kind of what he meant. That is kind of what he's going on. Craig, who's your favorite pick? Kind of respect the Falcons getting two first-round pass rushers. That's kind of cool, even though if they spent way too much for it. And then, I don't know.

I kind of know the Broncos getting Judea Baron was sick. Speaking of like doubling down on a part of your team that's already great. Now they're going to have Judi-Baron, Riley Moss, Pat Sertan, like, whofonga they got. Like, their secondary is going to be the best in the league. It already was. That was a good example of like we were sitting there and we all wanted the Broncos to just hit a dinger.

We were like, take Omeran Hampton, take Omeringhampton. And then the charges took Omerian Hampton, they're running back from New and C, which I never would have thought they would do. But that's pretty sick. Because you can see Jim Harbaugh clearly was like chomping at the bed at the idea that there's a legendary NFL running game

and it's not his. It's so fucking classic. I just realized this. I didn't even remember it before, but it's so fucking classic that Pete Carroll and Jim Harbaugh where the two guys who picked running back. Talking with your dick.

I know. The ultimate thing with your dick, Jim Harble, it's just like, I want Hampton. But like having Joe All and Roshan Slater a tackle, and then they move Zion Johnson to center, and they've been Kai Beckton at right guard, who is another 6-7, 3.40? 3.30?

I don't know he's play. Like, massive got. Like, the Chargers are suddenly a huge football team. I mean, and also, like, I know, it's like, do you need a running back in the first round? Is that ever good value? Maybe not. So this is definitely Dick first brain.

But, like, also, you think about the, charges. There's like nobody making plays on the, it's like you have Ladd McConkey outside of that, like, what do you have? You have Najee Harris, Mike Williams, you have no tight ends. He gives them juice that they did not at all. Because he's 93rd percentile 40 or dash, I think 93rd

percentile burst score and 96 acceleration in Madden, which 96- I'm telling you, I'm sorry, I was nobody to give the ball do other than Ladd. No. Yeah. I mean, he's going to carry, he's going to, he's going to be a big-time fantasy thing this year. I mean, I'm not Is Hampton a higher first-round pick than...

Is he a first-round redraft pick this year? Hampton... It's just a matter of how much Noggy touches the ball. Yeah. I know. Naji being there is like... Noggy's going to be locking on third down or something. He's going to Guss Edwards.

But I would say next year I'd be shocked if Hampton was not a top-10 pick in fantasy. Yeah, agreed. Top 10? They're going to run the hell of a football. I don't know. I don't think Hampton's top 10. Oh, total? No, probably not.

Or top 10 running backs. Eventually, eventually Hampton will be a three-down back for a Jim Harville football team. And that alone is like him and Gentie will lead the league and carries. Gentie? Gentie could lead the league and carries if the Raiders. He's a first rounder just based on reputation.

Probably. He's probably going to be late first. Yeah, no one's going through the first round letting Gentie out. Even if he'd, yeah. Okay, you want to do rapid fire winners and losers here? Yeah. Okay. I think, I kind of thought the hats were pretty sick.

Great hats. They usually suck. They were great. Well designed. I didn't see any of them. Can you send me a picture? You didn't see any of the hats? I wasn't really paying attention.

I was doing something. You were doing something. I was writing. You mean, you didn't see that players at any point during the draft? I mean, I did, but I was mostly just head down. I was like, you're the hat guy. Shoot you a link. That's true, yeah.

One moment. Shoot me link. Yeah, these are cool. They look kind of retro. It's kind of like the abacrumbie style now that all the kids are wearing. Similarly, whoever came up with this idea, I don't know when they added it a couple years ago, of the idea that they stop at basically like they let them take a mirror, like they stop at a mirror before they go out, but it's a camera.

And that's when they put the hat on. Whoever came up with that little horse and pony show with the hallway is brilliant. Because it's awesome, but I love it. I love the idea that they like are checking themselves out before. You actually get that little moment with themselves when they gather and go out to the state. It's actually sick, and I actually like watching all 32 of them. Yeah, they do that on the red carpet. It's like the glam cam or whatever.

It's like the slow-mo. You walk in, you do like a spin, and you look at yourself. We should do that at our next live show. DK., I feel like you would get one of these hats. Like, that's Seattle hat. These hats are kind of cool. There's a Sasquatch carrying a football on there. I like how it says the city, Seattle, Washington on there.

Just in case. They've got the oak leaves on the bill. These are all right. Oh, great. They're all right. I don't know. I don't know if I buy one, to be honest. Kind of expensive.

50 bucks? NFL shop.com. That's a lot for that. Check it out. That's a bad ad. Craig, any of their winners? Us, because we got to witness the announcement of when the NFL schedule is being released. We got to see that.

They didn't release the schedule. They told us when they're going to release the schedule, which is May 14th. This is how I feel with like when they tell us when they release a trailer for when a movie trailers coming out. I'm like, I watched a video about when I can watch a video about your video. I know. Like, that's totally a thing now. They literally announce when trailers will be released. Colleen Wolf and another woman, apologies, I'm forgetting her name, came out. Yes, and did like a five to seven minute bit, like a segment. And then at the end, on the screen behind them, it said May 14th. Which I believe was when they did it last year. I believe it was

basically the same day last year. God. The NFL is unreal. They really got us. They know what they're doing, man. You know, we were talking about how the NBA draft takes place 10 days after the NBA season ends. The NHL draft takes place like five days after the season ends.

Not the NFL, baby. Dude, I, so when I first worked at Washington, I worked for the team website. It was like my first internship in college. And we were talking about big days or whatever. And they said, yeah, like the biggest traffic day on the site all year is the schedule lease. It's like their Super Bowl for the website, basically. And I was blown away by that because the teams you play home and away is set in stone the day the regular season ends.

Like you literally know all your opponents already. The schedule is just the order in which the games are played. And we freak out about it. And all anyone wants to do, some people want to go to the games. But all anyone really wants to do is sit there and go win, win, win, loss, win, loss, schedule win, loss. Thursday, I don't know, win. we'll go like 9 and 7. That's all anyone wants to do when the schedule comes out.

Dying sport. The fact that that's just like in the middle of the bro, you've been waiting for two and a half months for this draft. It's like, you know when you're trying to like, when you like look up a recipe online and you're like, just fucking show me the ingredients and how to put the meal together.

Oh my God, you're scrolling. Your ads are popping up. The writer's telling a story about her childhood and there's like nine paragraphs. When my grandmother showed me this chicken and Pimiantos recipe. Right. And it's like just, I just want to know who the team is picking.

I think it was like 525 Pacific and we were on pick three. And I was like, my God, the NFL. I also. Meanwhile, I knew the Steelers pick before Craig did because I like when picks are tipped. No, I don't like it. I hate that. I don't go on social. No, I know.

So this is the opposite of what you're just saying. You want the, you want the fucking. No, I'm saying when I watch the broadcast, when I'm watching the product, they want me to watch the product. And then I watch the product and they just shove ads in my face. and these segments that don't have anything to do with the actual players getting picked. That's what I hate. I hear what Craig say.

But you need to hear Roger Goodell or whoever say that. That's the suspense, right? It's like that you hear the sound. Who's he going to say? The guy comes out. That's the whole spectacle, right? That's what they bring you there for. They'd make it, I wish it was an hour and a half broadcast and they make a three.

Craig's best football take ever might be that a third of the success of the draft is the Pavlovian response to the little draft jingle. Like I think I need to like. I need to watch the draft. If you're peeing and you hear do, do, do, do, do, do, do. You're like, mint pee, pulling up your pants. Peeing all over the living room to do that, no. Rather than just like, what's the point?

Like, you're waiting around for two and a half months and you just go on Twitter and Schaefter's like, yep. Yes. You know as soon as humanly possible. I could give a fuck about like some random person going up and announcing the pay. But you're the worst person to ask this in the world in a way because you're literally writing draft grades during. No, I'm just talking about genuine.

I'm just talking like generally speaking. I could give a flying fuck about someone announcing the pick on TV. Just tell me the pick as soon as you know it because I want to know it asap. Do you feel as though it is a waste of time to watch the Oscars because you just tell me who won? That's a little different. Why? Is it? It's just, it's different.

Well, I like, I don't really care about the Oscars as much. So there's that. Okay. Well, doesn't that mean it's the same to you? There's however many, 200 and some picks in the draft. Yeah. It's the same length of the broadcast. For the first round.

The first round in the Oscars are actually pretty comparable. Yeah, it's like three, three and a half hours. Okay, so I guess, yes, I don't care about the pomp and circumstance. You can just tell me who won. Sure, yeah. So you are basically like, just send me an email. Like, this would be like if, for instance, you spent four months studying the Oscars and, like, who would win the Oscars and like, whatever. And you just wanted to know.

I don't know if you spend that much time. analyzing who's going to win an Oscar or not. Maybe you do. But I'm just like, by the time we get to the draft, I'm just like, just tell me the fucking picks. I don't care about any of this shit. No, D.K. asked the right question. Craig, if Matt Bellany was,

happened to be the shifter of the Oscars and was tweeting out the winner of like best supporting actor and you could find out four minutes early, would you check? No. Okay. All right.

Well, that seems like, it's like, well, that's the whole fun. Is you get to be there. You see the people. You see the production. That's like the whole thing. to be at the Oscars.

I mean, I'm just saying we're sitting on the couch. I don't know. It's like, we waited so long. You might as well watch it. I like, I like just watching television

like back in my day before I could just go on the internet and find out this magic. I like seeing it on Twitter. I mean, D.K. is famously the guy who thinks chase scenes and movies suck. That's true. Yeah, yeah.

Just get me cut to the chase, if you will. Losers of the draft. Cut through the chase. Losers of the draft. Rapid Fire here. I would like to, I think the biggest loser of the draft is the ESPN draft day predictor

who gave a 4% chance chance that Shador Sanders would make it to the 22nd pick in the draft which is actually who the fuck made the ESPN like the win probability charts which makes no sense because like Fandu and all the betting sites Shador was like even odds to make it to like pick 22

It's all we talked about I feel like the last couple weeks is that Shadr Sanders is probably not going to go in the top 20 picks and they're like a 4% chance. Craig did you have Shadur in your mock? No. Yeah. Craig was he saw the signs. 30 to 32.

Well, you know why. It's why I think Mel Kiper was so mad. I think Mel Kiper, I think, was the creator of the draft day predictor. Because nobody was more upset than Mel Kiper on the ESPN broadcast. This guy, every single pick, Shador didn't go. He popped a new blood vessel. That's what makes him so great, though, honestly. But, like, man, I've never seen somebody so passionate about, like, a mediocre quarterback.

Well, Jimmy Closset. He was pretty excited about Jimmy Glosson, too. Every pick, he was like, they could. had taken Chador. Like Miami takes a line. He's like, could have been Chador. I don't know what they're doing. I'm like that.

Who paid Mel? I like that. He's just going off of his rankings, you know? I know D.K., you weren't watching the broadcast, but he was genuinely freaking out every time a team that could have drafted a quarterback. Craig, can you do a Mel Kuiper impersonation? Oh, he's hard. He's like so nasally.

He's almost like an auctioneer. He's like, well, well, look, well, that good thing. Janor Zander. Shonore Stanton's in there at the 13th to draft. I think he's the best quarterback. I actually had him ahead of Cameron Ward and Jackson Dart. That's pretty good. Not bad for the first try on it.

That's actually incredible. Yeah, sorry. Is it in poor taste if we do the Todd, Todd, Todd, Todd, Todd, Todd, Todd, Todd, Todd, Todd, Todd, Todd, Todd, Todd. Todd, Todd, Todd, Todd, Todd, Todd. Craig, work on it because you're so close. Yeah, yeah. I got to like, I got to nail that. nasalness.

Will you do it one more time? I don't know what the Pittsburgh Steelers are doing, Todd. Should I always said it said right there. Who's your quarterback, Todd? You're telling you're going to go to the season with Mason Rudolph, Todd? Oh, that was fun. Oh, my God. All right.

So we are going to be happy. Sorry, I'm like, I'm losing. That was pretty good. Oh, my God. Hey, he's so mad. My brother and I were texting each other. What? What the hell happened to?

Dude, I got texting about it. Dude, someone just texted me. Mel Kiper's being so mean to Jackson DART. So mad. It's also all you're going to talk about tomorrow. It's got like three hours of free games. Oh, my God. Dude.

The shows tomorrow is going to be con to take them. One overall in the second. Do you think that? Do you think that Dionne Sanders has even like a glimmer of guilt right now for just being so extra all the time about everything? I got to tell you, I don't think Dion Sanders has felt guilty about anything in this entire life. I don't think that emotion exists. He doesn't possess that ability. I don't think that's in his emotional range.

All right. Just checking. Where do we think, do we want to even bother with a prediction? We're going to be doing another show after it's two and three tomorrow. Like, people are listening to this? It's Friday during the day. I mean, I guess we did predictions. Well, no, Craig's predictions are right, so.

We should be live mocking. D.K., I want you to be releasing mocks during the first round. Like, after the 10th pick, I want the remaining 22 picks mocked by you. That's good. It has a shelf life of 12 minutes. 12 minutes to some people's a long time. Yeah. D.K., when is your second round mock coming out?

never I'm not doing one second round mock is sick you need to tap in there's good players left Craig if you do it I'll do it Craig's gonna get another 30 for 32 in round two whoever gets closer has to buy the other one of these fifty dollar NFL shop hats there we go that's smart okay we're gonna be have another show Friday night we're Saturday I don't know whatever to come out after rounds two and three we're gonna have another show first thing Monday morning we have more shows after that. And again, reminder, if you stick with us for the Ringer NFL draft show, we are going back to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show at some point next week or the week after, changing the name back, but it's the same feed. We make it like that because we want it to be

simple for everyone. It's a great idea. And people love that we change the name. And it's super simple and great user experience. So stick with us. We're going to have episodes all summer every week. The schedule release, I meant to talk to me guys about this. I'm going to be in Paris for that. So like, are we going to do the schedule release episode? I guess we could figure this. Ah, I mean, it's kind of the biggest day of the year. So I know. I should probably, am I going to do this from fucking my Airbnb in Paris. I'm going to do it. You're going to have to make time. I don't know what to tell you. Fuck it.

All right. Jackie will love that. She'll love that. JAR. Shit. Okay. Do you want to read an email before I get out of here? Yeah. Yeah. All right. Let me pull this up. This was a fun email. Oh, I know. I put

it in the, no, I didn't. There's a stupid email, and then there's one that I want to read purposely because I want everyone to participate in. You want the stupid email or what do you want? Whatever you go with your heart. The stupid email I just want to read because it made me laugh. But then there's an email I need everyone's help with listening. The stupid email is this is from a guy named Kai.

Kai. This is about lying to your, the best genre of all the lying, which is lying to your little siblings. My brother and I convinced my little sister when we were growing up that we adopted her from a potato farm. and her parents were potatoes. And my parents found out about this lie when my sister went to kindergarten and they wrote about their families and my sister drew potatoes and said that was her real family.

Oh, this makes me sad. That's good. No, that's good. It's very funny. He makes them with the family portrait and it's fucking potatoes. They're like either, ma'am, either your daughter

thinks that her parents are the worst jar of all time. The worst drawer. Or she really needs glasses. Have you checked her vision? Something wrong with her, but we don't know what it is. Everything's blurry.

Sorry. The guys laughing really, really hard right now are the ones that don't have a child. And it kind of made me a little sad. crying. We're like, ha ha ha. Fucking stupid kid.

Stupid kid thinks your family. Dumb kids. Kid can't even draw good. It's true great. Go right up on the refrigerator. Okay, this one's from Jake. Jakey.

Obviously, we have done. Jay Bob. Obviously. For those who don't know, we have had a wonderful time this offseason doing two workplace platforms and a lie. Yeah. Which was really eye-opening about how we all have this weird shared experience of these horrific workplace platforms

and their preposterous names. Jam. Jamp. Blu. B Swift. Glint. Kupa. Kupa.

And then there's Kupa, parentheses, internal. No, not that Kupa. You can't go in there. We got to use Jamf to log into Kupa. Jam to log into Kupa.

And then you need a splurge to like a outside of the Kate, to get into there on your phone. Yeah. And then you can watch your favorite show on Fubo. I don't know why you. Zendaya's Mici.

What's the one that's Mubi? Zendaya's Mici. LeBron James is Guangy. But you can watch it on Mubi. You can watch it on Guanyi. So anyway, we got an email from Jake. Jake E. Jacob.

I am a state employee in the Midwest, helping people. He helps people with disabilities find work. And they got an email. from a senior official in our state's central office asking for submissions for the name for the next case management work platform that they are building. And I thought I should immediately submit this to the foremost experts on work platform names and their validity.

Our current system is a boring acronym that is just four letters. They are looking for an acronym and the only hitch is we do have to explain their submissions. I can figure that part out. Submissions are due May 15th. So we could name a work. place, case management work platform for a Midwestern state. It needs to be like four or five letters to make it easy for him

for the acronym probably. Yes. But we can name this. We could name one. It'll be used by his state. It should just be like florg. I was thinking it's like, clurped. We should do Guantji. Gwangi's really good, actually. Clurp. Should we make a poll? We should do like March Madness for the fucking...

Shabler. It's just like, flupe. Something really gutteral. Orgo. What was Danny DeVito's character? Danny DeVito was... Dorgel? Dorgel? Right?

Let me look up small foot. Let me look up the film. We got to make it a small foot character. So we have Migo, Mici, Kolka, Dorgol. Colca. Colca. Gwanji, Thorpe. Thorpe is...

Thorpe is pretty good. Thorpe is good. Fleem. Fleem is good. Fleem. It's definitely fleem. Eli Henry is Flem

Flem. I like Flem. That sounds like a Spotify. It really does. I think Fleem. Are we sure it's not already? That sounds like a Spotify platform. Flemthorpe and Kulkar

to me are those are the clubhouse leaders. Can we go with Flem? I like Fleeam. Yeah, I think that's the end. Email us if you have another one you think we should use. But yeah, Jake, I think right now we're going to go with Fleem.

We've got 10 days left, 20 days left to figure that out. Fleem. Fleem. We have until the schedule release. Yeah. We should really figure out a way to get the schedule release from the NFL released on Flem. Yeah, DK, I believe the Oscars this year, if you want to watch, we'll be streaming on Flemm.

Why would he watch? They just tweet it out. Yeah, I'll be watching via Blue Sky. Follow us on Blue Sky. Call us on, Ring your Fantasy Football on Instagram. Ring your Fantasy Football on TikTok and follow us out our names on Blue Sky. I'm at Fleem. Flemm. You should get the

You should get the handle for Flem. Yeah, before it blows up. Yeah. Flume is probably taken. All right. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, Kai.

Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Troy. Thank you everyone for listening for the draft show. Holy shit. The draft... I mean, it's not over yet because we have like two more draft episodes and then two more draft episodes

and then we go back to fantasy. Yeah, but the first round, that was a big one. Yeah. That was the big one. Yeah. It's the biggest. Thank you everyone, honestly, for listening.

It feels weird to say thank you. fully because we're not done yet with the draft show, but thank you. And, of course, thank you, Lord. Lord. Oh, thank you. Chapel Rhone or Shappell. Is it Chapel or Shappell? God damn. Well, I mean, Chapel? It's Chapel. But you've already said that, I think. No, I have not. You guys brought her up, I'm pretty sure. Do you know anything about Chapel Row? I do not. Maybe I have brought her up on her. Do you know any of her songs? I heard one the other day when you pointed it out. Oh, yeah, we were somewhere. We were in like a restaurant. I think it was good. I don't. I don't have a strong memory of the song.

Honestly, DK, her album is like fucking A1. It's actually incredible. I think it's rare to have like a new artist you've never heard of and you turn it on. And you're like, oh, wait, all of these are actually pretty good. Yeah, it's like there's like seven awesome songs on one album. It was like that first Katie Perry album that went just nuclear that had like every great, every great song Katie Perry's ever had was on that one album. Because I think the first time you hear Chaparone, you're like, oh, so there's like a single.

and then she released an album. And you're like, oh, wait, no, actually. There's like seven songs you could listen to for the first time. And you're like, that's a good song. I also worry for her. DK, you know what you should do? You should go watch the SNL. Well, he used to see the tweets from Chapel Room

because she got really famous, like, really fast. Yeah. She had like the biggest, I think she had the biggest proud of the history of Lala Paloosa. They had a move her to a Thursday. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just because it was so big. And, or Friday.

And Bowen Yang did a bit, He basically, Chapel Run had an Instagram where she was like, I hate being famous, I don't really want to do this anymore. Please give me space. Don't talk to me in public.

You don't know anything about me. I don't owe you anything. So Bowen Yang went on SNL and did that attitude, but he dressed as Mu Dang, the hippo. And he just pretended Moudang was having like an existential crisis of fame. And honestly,

it was like, it was my favorite thing. S&L's done in. All right. It single-handedly changed Typhids his opinion of S&L. It did. Actually, it really did. I was like, watch that.

I'm so back. You're back. I'm back. It's incredible. Yeah, D.K., I can't recommend her album enough. She only has one. Check it out. 45 million active listens a month or whatever.

Also, there's a crazy video of her doing Pink Pony Club at like some state fair or something to zero crowd. And then someone cut to that with a drone shot of her Lollapalooza crowd. And it was like three years. And it was pretty epic. I'm sure you've heard Hot to Go many times, DK. Yeah. I recognize the song that you pointed out. I think Feminononom.

There's a couple where she spells. The one I really like that's not that popular, but is my favorite, is super graphic ultra-modern girl. That song, bangs. Yeah, naked of Manhattan's good. Jackie texted me, ugh, chapel. Right now?

Yeah. Jarre. She heard me. Jarre. Fuck. Oh, Google Gemini. Great. Has no clue.

Dude, Google Gemini is the dumbest. I think Google Gemini probably made the ESPN draft for Dictor with Mokey. Craig, I just saw a tweet that you might appreciate. Gray's Abel, this is from John Boyle, covers the Seahawks, a buddy of mine. Gray's able just finished up a conference call with Seattle Media,

said the plan tonight is to, quote, start diving into these bush lights and celebrate. Oh, yeah. Split the B. Oh, God, can you tell the story about how I tried to split the G? Dude, that's all right. There's nothing to be ashamed of.

That was your first G. It was a tough try. It was a tough effort. To be fair, I had never actually done it in a Guinness Glass. And I actually realized, I just realized I had no concept of how much of... Can you split the G in a non-G Guinness class?

No, I never actually sat down and done it. Right. Oh, oh, okay. And I just realized I had no concept of how much I really needed to get down. Look, not everybody can... Six G-spalbts would work. Not everybody can find a G-spot. I was way off.

No. Gemini is telling me that bad romance is in a chopper song. What did you say? I was going to let it go. I said I heard that, Craig. What did you say? I said, not everybody can find the G-spot. It's very elusive, Craig.

Thank you. I just kind of slipped to that. in there. I don't believe it exists. It's a myth. Craig, wasn't that a thing you and your roommate said it? Oh my God.

We used to have the joke that like women couldn't come essentially. He's like, isn't it wild that women can't come? It's crazy that women are incapable of having an orgasm. That's just, that's a sad truth of being a woman.

But it is what it is. So it's just, it's a sad. just crazy. I recently found that out. But it makes sense. Sad. Feel bad for them. But look, you know, how they were born. Goodbye, everyone.