The Ringer NFL Show - Rules to Win Your Fantasy League (Part 2)

Episode Date: August 15, 2025

The guys pick up where they left off last episode and continue highlighting some of the most crucial rules heading into the 2025 fantasy season. And later, emails! (0:00) Intro (1:40) Identify the kingmakers (4:31) Don’t give up on good coaches after Year 1 (13:10) You marry the whole family (40:47) Get you a man who can do both (46:33) The “Two Two” rule (58:24) Hold on to rookie WRs (01:02:38) Ride with the ‘Wild Hogs’ (01:07:29) Be open-minded (01:11:08) Emails! Check out our 2025 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here!  Email us! [e-mail] Getaway sales event. The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Carlos Chiriboga, Ronak Nair, and Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Dan & Hedgertons, and I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Worldbuck. It is part two of our lessons from 2024. We're going to apply to 2025. Basically, we're really bad at taking our own advice. But every year at the end of the previous, we're at the end of each season, we do a whole show where we're like, damn, what's all this stuff that we want to remember for next year? Things we regret, things we would do differently.

And then every year, usually we just kind of get to the next season and forget everything we wanted to learn. So we're going to go over all the lessons from last year and try to apply it to try to fight the needs you, right, D.K. Yeah, that's right. And I'll be the first to admit that I don't always do so well at following all these rules, but it's good to have them in the front of your mind when you're drafted. Well, no one takes their own advice. That's true. That's true. Yeah. Most New Year's resolutions don't work out. You've got to stick with them. They only last for a round or two. Yeah. So, yeah, we're going to get to all of our lessons, or the rest of our lessons.

But first, quick break. This episode of the Ringer Fantasy Football Show is presented by Hyundai. Get into the Hyundai Getaway sales event and get away with the deal so right, it almost feels wrong. You can get huge savings on their Adventure Ready SUVs, like the Hyundai Santa Fe and Santa Fe and Sanofa Hybrid Models. Or go all electric and choose from America's most awarded EV lineup, like the breakthrough, Ionic 5 or Ionic 6. Visit HyundaiUSA.com or call 562-3-3 for details. Offers end September 2nd, 2025. Getting into the back half of all the lessons we learned from 2024, starting off, DK, kick us off here. Give us your tattoo, something you tattooed on your body to make sure you would never forget.

You tattooed on your body. Identified the kingmakers. And this is, I mean, this is something that actually really matters every year. It's like identifying the team and a lot of times is a team that people aren't really expecting. I think last year the Buccaneers were kind of a big one. not that they came out of nowhere, but they were a lot more prolific. Obviously, Baker Mayfield,

and Baker Mayfield won Mea League. So, you know, he had to have done something with a lot of people. So, you know, Mike Evans, Godwin was great for a while. Like later in the year, it was Jalen McMillan. Finding the teams with basically,

here's a way to think about it. Find the team that's going to have the O.C. That is the head coach next year. You know what I mean? Like the Liam Cohen's of the world, the Sean McVeys of the world, the guys who do so, well with their offenses. Ben Johnson is a perfect example this year.

Obviously, we've been all over the lines for a couple of years because they just have such a great well-oiled offense. Maybe can Ben Johnson do that with the Bears? I know High Fitz is not necessarily in on the Bears this year, but this is the type of thing you have to think about before the season? Is Chip Kelly going to do different things with the Raiders? Josh McDaniels with the Patriots. Obviously, they don't have a very strong schedule in terms of like the opponents that they're facing. They have a pretty weak schedule. So maybe the Patriots all of a sudden come out of nowhere and they are super.

fantasy relevant. I think finding the offensive coordinators and sometimes you could you could even say Kingmaker is like a quarterback so maybe like Michael Penix is this year's Kingmaker

just because he throws the shit out of the ball. So it's not necessarily an offensive coordinator but finding the guys that are going to be driving fantasy points. I think it's such an important thing

every year and it's not always clear obviously but I think there's enough clues that we can kind of work with that. It's the biggest advantage in fantasies if you can find one the one to two teams that are going to make the leap. And you get a couple of those players. They will be way cheaper than every other player.

And they will take off. And it's obviously very difficult to do because it's basically like you're just gambling. It's like find the team that's going to win four more games than they did last year. I mean, Darnold and the Vikings were, I would say, huge last year. The Vikings might be another one this year because we've been pushing them down a little bit because of J.J. McCarthy. We don't know what he's like. We haven't seen him in the NFL. But obviously Kevin O'C.

Connell is established himself as a very smart coach who can scheme guys up. And it's, you love the coaches where it's like it almost doesn't matter who the quarterback is. Shanahan's been that for a very long time in terms of every one of Shanahan's quarterbacks going back the last 10 years is past like eight yards per attempt. It's just something that they do. That's an exaggeration probably. I didn't look it up. That might actually be true.

But it's the scheme and you want pieces of that scheme. This dovetails a little bit into my tattoo, which is a new one. I just got it last night, actually. I was out with my friends. Nice ink, Craig. Yeah, it's fresh. It still has the plastic on it. It's don't give up on good coaches after year one,

which ties in with DKs because trying to identify that kingmaker combo, just because a coach went to a new team and had a mediocre year, don't just suddenly be out of them. A lot of new regimes start. There's a lot of buzz, like Ben Johnson in Chicago, right? everybody kind of expects and really wants it to work immediately. And if Caleb and Ben Johnson don't work out this year, year two is probably the year to buy in. It takes a while for this stuff to gel.

Sean Payton, year one with Russell Wilson, absolute disaster. Year two with Bo Nicks better. You start to bring in you guys. You start to build your system, implement your system. And so you look at like Jim Harbaugh and Greg Roman in L.A. Year one was pretty good. But just because whatever happened year one does not mean that the exact same thing is going to happen in year two.

Like I think if you trust this coach, if you trust the play caller, I think expecting a leap is a good way to identify which teams are potentially going to take off. It's these good play callers. Dave Canales is now in year two with Bryce Young and Carolina. And Dave Canales is basically the reason

why Gino Smith, Baker Mayfield, and Bryce Young have careers right now. And they're kind of an afterthought. Rahim Morris, Zach Robinson. That was one that I kind of circle too great. Atlanta. Like this is year two now of the system, of getting this stuff to gel. I mean, it's kind of year one and a half for Michael Penix. But like they already set a good foundation, setting the groundwork great years out of using Drake London properly, getting a lot out of Bijon Robinson,

darnel Mooney they revived. Sean Payton Bownex. Yeah, I mean, even Brian Callahan, his dad, Bill Callahan, year two, offensive line coach in Tennessee. So I just think just because last year maybe went, okay, didn't go that well. The new Buzzy coach comes in and it flops a little bit. Don't, Don't take that into year two with you. Bill Belichick's first year with the Patriots who went five and 11. Like Dan Campbell's first year with the Lions who went three and 13. It's like year one of the sitcom, the office, parks and wreck. They weren't that good.

The first few episodes, it's like, who are these people that can research. You got to figure out who you are, your style. I mean, you look at the year one regimes last year. Drodmeo in New England, disaster. Brian Calli and Tennessee, disaster. Like Carolina was not great. Mike McDonald in Seattle, mediocre. You know, well, I would say.

Brie Morris in Atlanta. they won eight games. It's like, it takes a while, you know? Look at anyone in any job. You start a new job. It takes it six months or a year to figure out what the hell is going on. The names of the people in the building. Yeah.

And so I think this is really smart. I think the question is, which of these do you think matters the most? Because I think the other thing is it's not just coaches, but it's systems. It's because, I mean, I was just, this is why one of the reasons kind of out on the bears this year. And I want to preemptively be in the bears next year is that you have to marinate in the system. It takes a year to marinate in it because the first thing you're learning about is like, How do we, what are, like, Kirk Cousins is talking about this in the Netflix series for quarterback with the Falcons.

And the season that just came out is about last year. Kirk Cousins, who's been in the NFL for a long time, is talking about how, wow, there's 44 different motions in this offense. Learning the names of that is hard, getting the timing right. And he's like really mad because early in the season, he motioned a tight end and the ball hit the tight end. And I know I've mentioned that a bunch of the bears. But the point being, even Kirk Cousins, who's been in the NFL for like, I guess that

was his 13th season, is like worried about before. the play starts. He's worried about the ball getting to his hands on the shotgun snap. That's not, that's like the epitome of you're seeing the trees. Like when you've been in the same system for years, you start to see the forest of like, okay, all these details that are prerequisites are taken care of. Now I can be like, what's the matchup? How do I adjust a route to get there? That's when you get Matt Staff for Cooper Cup situations, et cetera, et cetera. So the year, I look at the Seahawks as Mike McDonald's the coach. I'm like, that defense is going to be so much better in year two than year one now that all the defenders know what they're doing.

The Falcons are a good example. There's Zach Robinson in year two where you're like the offensive line, Bejohn, reading the blocks. Like Michael Pennix pushing the ball to Drake London. That to me is definitely an offense I could see taking zooming up. I think, I think you love Drake London. I think Bejohn. Like I don't think I wouldn't be shocked that Drake London and Bijan could both be like, I mean, obviously Bijon. But like I think Drake London and Bejohn in theory could both be the number one guy at their position this year.

Like that wouldn't be crazy to me at all. Yeah. And I think the other thing to keep in mind here is not just head coaches going to new teams. it's teams with new offensive coordinators. And in some cases, like, we don't really know much about them. Craig, you mentioned it's like gambling. Honestly, it's just taking stabs at certain teams that you believe in. I think the combination of new offensive coordinators with quarterbacks that I trust and I like,

the Texans kind of come to mind, Nick Cayley, we don't know a ton about him. We don't know exactly what that offense is going to look like. It might suck. But C.J. Stroud, I think, is a really good quarterback. And they have some good talent on that team. And so this is a team that could, you know, be much better and have more fantasy relevant players than you think. Because right now it's basically like Nico Collins. We're kind of out on Mixin.

And maybe Jaden Higgins, their rookie receiver ends up doing big things. Maybe Jalen Noelle, there's guys on that offense that could be really interesting late round picks. So there's also a handful of teams with new offensive coordinators that kind of flying under the radar a little bit that could fall into this category. I think Dave Canales and Bryce Young are like really flying under the radar. That is an interesting one, yeah, because it seems like people have sort of given up. I mean, last year was bizarre. Bryce Young got benched. Andy Dalton got a car accident.

Bryce Young comes back. He actually starts to play well. People start to realize maybe he is a starting quarterback in the NFL. And now it's like you have year two, Dave Canales system. You bring in Tetaroa McMillan. Bryce Young, number one overall pick for a lot of reasons that people still believe in. And I think the Panthers are just a very under the radar team that everybody is probably just expecting will kind of show up and be the same team they were last year.

And you don't know that. I mean, this team could make the same league C.J. Stroud made as a rookie that came out of nowhere and are in the, like, I think if I had to pick any truly, truly under the radar team to like make a splash this year, it might be Carolina. I know the defense is a disaster and that's a huge problem. But at least to be relevant and frisky in games. That's interesting, though, for fantasy too, because the Panthers, you could don't, I think maybe what you're saying is almost the Panthers are like the, um, if

The Bengals are like the top shelf tequila. The Panthers are like the rail tequila. Yeah. Because the Panthers have the same formula. The Panthers give most points in NFL history last season, 17 games, but still. They added a bunch of free agency on defense. But like, you know, offense to Tashar and Wharton and, you know, Merrig, the safety that got from the Raiders, like, there is no amount of like a handful of tertiary

players you're going to add as starters that you're like, this is still going to be a bad defense in Carolina. And so they have this formula to the Panthers are going to need you to score so many points to be competitive. and maybe we are underrating like, dude, they can say what they want to say about the running game, but Bryce Young,

maybe he's going to end up throwing like a crazy amount of passes this year because the Panthers are going to be losing all these games and everything's going to be a shootout. Maybe they're just, you know, they're shots and toes like Cuervo. Just the bad version of the bagels. Yeah,

and I think that there's still a little bit of residue left from Bryce Young's first year and a half, which is, I guess, fair. Yeah, they're gross. They're icky. The Panthers are like, like literally we just did the part one of this on Wednesday. We were talking about take great,

great players in elite teams. And then we're like, yeah, part two, we're like, take the Panthers. And that's the art of this of like, what is just, basically it's two things. It's like trusting your gut and your emotions to follow this. And then part two is, can you take a step back and be like, where are my blind spots? Like what is the, what are my, where are my biases kind of like filtering in? And the Panthers are an interesting one because to your point, they were way better than we thought toward the end of the season.

And maybe it's just like our emotions haven't really caught up to like what we actually saw. I still can't believe Bryce Young. They should have beat the Eagles. Bryce Young, like, was that Legat who just dropped the ball at the goal line? Yeah. They should have taken the lead on the Eagles of 50 seconds left. That was crazy. This is, again, like, there's some contradictory stuff here in a lot of these rules.

But at the same time, taking stabs on certain players and certain schemes that you think are going to be really good, definitely can help. And obviously next year, if we look back and, you know, this is kind of like the don't let, stop trying to make fetch happen thing with the Jags. But Liam Cohen might just be an amazing. amazing play caller. You know what I mean? And that will finally be the thing that kind of puts Trevor Lawrence over the hump in terms of

expectations and what we want from him. And if it doesn't work, that doesn't mean it won't ever work. Just because it's year one, it could go okay, but that doesn't mean year two. It won't go great. And so on that note, that leads into my next one, which is the next tattoo I have just to cross my back is just you marry the whole family. And it's just head coach, quarterback, offensive line, receivers, defense, everything, coordinators.

And I think the Bears last year were the perfect example of this where we talked about, Caleb Williams, best situation ever for number one pick. And like we just didn't talk about any of the lineman. Look at all those receivers. Look at all those receivers that he'll be sacked 63 times before he can actually throw the ball to them. And so I think that's the one, I saw this tattoo,

and I thought immediately of Jacksonville, where for both these rules, actually, because on one hand, I believe strongly Liam Cohen is a better kind of coach than a lot of the coordinators that get propped up as some incredible guy. I think honestly, I at this point, almost feel like Liam Cohen is a better chance

success in year one than like Ben Johnson. Like that's, I really think Liam Cohen's a different breed than a lot of these guys that just come out of the Shanahan McVeigh factory. The flip side is I'm like, if I am blind spotting something, the same way last year, in retrospect, we're like the Texans and the Bears, offensive lines were awful and we didn't care. And we went through and then week one, the Bears literally looked uncoordinated. They no one knew what to do.

The Jacksonville is scares me because their offensive line sucks. There are two teams. Houston and Jacksonville coming to the season. You look at them and you're like, those are the worst two offensive lines in the NFL. The Texans, we could get the Texans second, but the Jacksonville, it's like got Walker Little left tackle who Trent Balky's last dying act

was basically to extend him in the middle of the season. That was kind of weird. They have Robert Hainesie at center. I think that's one of those things where you bring the guy the center over to teach the line the offense, but I don't know if Robert Hainesies necessarily like a great player. I think he's more like a brain that's going to diffuse the information, tell everyone where to go.

I don't know if it's actually about his ability to play. Patrick McCarr at right guard, he's fine. I just, I'm a little worried about, like, you're relying a lot, really similarly to the Texans

on the McVeification of it, making an offensive line better by just scheming around it, kind of like what the Seawks are doing with Clint Kubiak, but if the line sucks, you feel so dumb to have the fantasy players in the team.

And I will say, I'm a little worried that I'm going to talk myself into Travis Hunter, Trevor Lawrence, research, it's Brian Thomas, and then, yeah,

the line's just going to be terrible for Jacksonville. I'm a little worried about that. Yeah, definitely. Definitely makes you feel dumb very quickly when it's week one, week two, and Trevor Lawrence is getting sacked four or five times a game and you're like, ah, man, they can't even get a pass off.

And this is how I feel about picking a winner for the AFC South because I feel strongly I don't think they're getting a wild card. And it's just to me it's Texans or Jax to the AFC South, unless you really believe in Cam Ward or the cult's kind of being respectable. But I think it's a two-team-race probably unless you really believe in Cam Ward. And I look and I'm like, man, these teams,

these offensive lines are the worst two leagues in the league. And one of them is probably going to win the division, at least the Texans have a defensive line. And the Jags should too, in theory, because they have so much top picks they've made. But I also can't get over the Texans to the offensive line. And I keep thinking about this with Nico Collins and Stroud as a sneaky. Maybe Nico Collins is a little risk because I love Nico Collins. I think he's a good example.

He's like A.J. Brown, except Nico Collins went to Michigan and wasn't great immediately and isn't cool on Instagram and doesn't get food poisoning from Chipotle. And Nicco Collins isn't like famous. But he's like a bully, old school, awesome, incredible receiver top. If you've been a first-run pick, we talk about Nico Collins. as a top five player at the position. And yet, I'm like the Texans, dude, they got Cam Robinson at left tackle, who came from the Jags.

They have Lakin Tomlinson at left guard who had a terrible season. I can't even pronounce his name, but the right tackle is going to be the rookie out of Minnesota, D.K. How do you say is the Aronte, Ursory? Ersary, I think, yeah. Who is 6.6.3.30 and a good athlete.

And he went 48th in the draft. Spoiler alert, when you're left tackle and you're 6.6.330 and a great athlete, and you go 48th, it's because there's real concerns about your technique. Right. He played left tackle's whole life.

They got them on the right side. So he's switching positions going right from Minnesota to the Texans in right tackle in the NFL. And I'm like, that's plan A is this kid has to be ready immediately as a second round right tackle. And Cam Robinson, who's on his third team in eight months or something. Like none of this, it just looks such a, it's such a glaring red warning sign that Houston was like, yeah, we have to dump the whole room. But this is just like throwing shit at the wall. Like the Texas don't have a plan. And so that is, so when I say you marry the whole family, I'm like, you take Nico Collins,

but you turn the game on. You're like, I think Stroud's going to be like under siege this year. It's, I think when you're talking about this, I just kept thinking, like, there's so many teams that just have terrible offensive lines. And it's very hard to fix an offensive line when you'd have bad offense line. I mean, the Bengals have been trying to do it for five seasons. And some teams get around the hardest thing to do. Quarterbacking. That's the argument for Stroud is, you know who has a terrible offensive line.

line the dolphins. It doesn't matter because what they built it with so much speed on the outside, two is like a Steve Nash-esque point guard where two is getting rid of the ball in two seconds, making the right decision every time. We make fun of two a lot, but two is making the right decision with the ball like every time. And the Bengals have figured it out to an extent as well. Well, Joe Burrow. They do whatever Joe Burrow wants. Joe Burroughs running this Peyton-Manning-esque offense where it's like simplified plays. Like, you know, it's like you're doing a few things incredibly well. You have the rapport with Jamar Chase, which is unparalleled. And Burrow, though, is quarter. Like, Burrow is making up for the offensive line. And you really, but,

Stroud has to do that, though. Like, that's what they're asking you to do. I think it's in him. It's just, yeah, it makes things way, way harder. It's just, the degree of difficulty is so hard. That's the thing. And I'm not saying don't take Duke of Collins. I think Duke of Collins, you can take him sixth for all you care.

Like, he's amazing. I just, I'm thinking of that as a- Are there any other marry the, you marry the whole family teams that we're not thinking about? I mean, honestly, the Steelers. For O-Line? I think the Steelers should take D.K. McCaff.

But I think the Steelers, this is a good example, is the running game. I've been very nervous to talk about. Caleb Johnson and Iowa where he has to go to his own running zone running scheme goes to his own running steam. I wanted to be out on him because I'm like, the Steelers are going to run everything on a shotgun for Rogers and it's going to be another Ben Rathesberger offense where he takes everything shotgun but he doesn't want to get hit. So everything has to be out in two seconds.

So there's no deep, and that's the thing with the Steelers. You have DK Metcalf who there's not going to be a deep game or the deep offense is going to be Rogers just shucking up moonballs for Metcalfe down and Calvin Austin down the sideline. But that's not a real deep game because he's not. doesn't want to get hit, but then the running game gets screwed because the defense feels like they can play up because they know the ball's coming out. And it's just so, it's such a hard way to play offense where I'm like, can a rookie adjust to reading zones from instead of on, like,

everything's going to be in shotgun. But Caleb Jones is cheap enough. I don't know if I'm out, but I do think the, the Steelers, they're going to want to run a lot, but I don't think that's going to be a very efficient running offense in Pittsburgh when everything's out of shotgun. I'm also not convinced the offensive line is going to be good. Broderick Jones is, it might be a disaster. and they have Troy Fautinu who might be good. He barely played last year. The guards are fine. They have a good center in Zach Frazier.

But like, I am worried that the tackles might not be as good as we're all, we're like kind of projecting a lot with this young offensive line that's very unproven with Rogers. I don't know. The receiving options are kind of weird. I'm just like, Arthur Smith mixing with Rogers is very weird. You have to like look at the whole family rather than just like, oh, D.K. Metcalfe. Oh, Caleb Johnson. And I do want to reiterate something I said, I think, a week ago with the Steelers or the Inverse Washington, where Washington, where Washington, Jane Daniels is young, so you think they're young, but they're the oldest team in the NFL, Washington.

You think the Steelers are old because of Rogers, Cam Hayward, but like the Steelers' offense is crazy young, which makes them wide range of outcomes. The Steelers could be worse than the Jets were in some ways because, as you said, what if Troy Falano is bad or it gets hurt? Like, Roman Wilson, who's supposed to play a role in the team. Like, they have a lot of rookies who had injury profiles in the draft. They took them, and they all got hurt, and they didn't have rookie years. And you're like, they could be better than we think because they didn't see them. They could also be worse or injured.

and then the Steelers really have that first under 500 Mike Thomas season. But if all the rookies are good, then you're like, holy shit. This is what the Jets won and Rodgers for. But the huge range of outcomes on the Steelers and they're a young team. And the defense is really old, but really fucking good. I think the defense has a chance to be the best defense in a league. Jaylor Ramsey. Yeah, I mean, you can see this scenario.

I mean, the Steelers have hit on a lot of guys like Peyton Wilson and Herbig. But you can see this. You can see what the season is going to be. Like, the Steelers are going to be winning games 20 to 19 every week. Right. The other one, then this, I know we're talking

about our teams now, but the other one, I mentioned for coaching that I think the Seahawks will be a lot better. But D.K., the other line that it's, it's the Seahawks,

where I'm curious, just to reiterate. New O.C., new QB. Their offensive line was terrible. And John Schneider, who just got a contract extension for Seattle, I cannot stress enough

how much John Schneider, the GM, and Mike McDonald, the head coach, basically are saying the Seahks at a bottom three offensive line last year, it really derailed the whole season.

They couldn't run the ball. Mike McDonald, I mean, he literally was wearing hats in the middle of the season saying run the damn ball. And it's hard to overstate how much they are saying Ryan Grub, who came from college as the Washington offensive coordinator, like the University of Washington office coordinator to the pros was basically not ready for the big leagues. And he didn't have a modern NFL running game, which is a totally plausible explanation.

But it's hard to overstay how much Clint Kubiak being the coordinator. And again, his father's the father of the modern NFL running game, Kubiak, and everything winds up the system. So he got it from the horse's mouth. But the Seahawks are also another high variance team where it's like if Kubiak fixes this running game, which again, like, yeah, Kubiak and with Mike Shanahan invented modern zone running, basically. Remember the Saints at the beginning of the year last year?

Yeah. Yeah. And they all got hurt. So anyway, Dika, do you, like talk about wide variance teams. If I told you either the Seahawks off its line is going to suck, there was barely any improvement and it's a disaster. And it's just the same team they can't run the ball. But with Sam Darnold getting pressured.

Or, oh my God, look at the. the difference between going from really bad to like kind of average an offensive line. Sam Donald looks great. Ken Walker is amazing. Like this offense is humming and they're the best defensive league. They're winning the NFC West. Which of the which of those do you actually think? I mean,

which way do you lean of which of those is going to happen? I mean, the reality is that they're probably going to be bad again. They've been bad for my entire fucking adulthood. Other than like going, like last time I could remember the Seahawks having a good offensive line was 2005 when they had Sean Alexander. an incredible offensive line.

So probably bad, but I think, you know, there is some hope because I do think they have some interesting young guys on that team. Abe Lucas is getting healthy. He's been hurt basically the last year plus. People like Gray's Abel, right? Isn't he doing well? Gray's able looked great last night in first round picture Seattle. He could help certainly. And then, you know, they have a couple of guys, Christian Haynes, Anthony Bradford.

These are like mid-round picks from the last couple of years that are battling for the right guard position. maybe those guys. And I think this is like what John Schneider has been trying to sell to the Seahawks like fan base is that look, we've made investments. We just need to see these investments pay off. Was he's like a fan base or ownership? Because he's just got a contract extension. Well, both. But again, it goes back to what I just said.

It's like very hard to build an offensive line. You have to kind of keep trying. You have to keep putting pieces in it. Hopefully you'll find like five that are really good. And sometimes you do and most of the time you don't. The other team. So I don't know. I think the Seahawks are a high variance team too.

I really like Ken Walker. You know, Jackson Smith and Jigba. We talked about him recently. He's got a pretty wide variance in terms of what he could do. And obviously, Sam Donald is one of the most high variance quarterbacks you can imagine. Yeah. But the other team I wanted to bring up here before we move on that I was thinking of the whole time is the Jets with, you know, we're all excited about Justin Fields. He's going to run the hell out of the ball.

That's exciting for fantasy. But as we saw with Anthony Richardson just taking a sack and breaking his pinky, like within like five minutes, you know, he could get hurt. in week one, it would not be a surprise. And then what do we get out of the Jets offense from there? Tariot Taylor as the backup. Breece Hall from that point probably becomes unusable. Or he's going to be very, you know, hit or miss. You got Garrett Wilson, who's going to be all over the place, probably, you know,

getting passes air meled to him all year. So there's, I feel like we've got like chips in the Jets offense where this is like the wheels could fall off almost immediately. It would not be a surprise. Plus, like you said, you marry the family. It's the Jets. Brick Johnson. they're running the show.

It's like the Jags thing that Hyphitz is saying. It's the Jets. It's the Jets. It's the Jets. So that's worrisome. And also like we're sort of projecting that this offensive line is going to be good. Is this what we're. Yeah. This is what we were talking. It's so funny that we were like the other episode, which again, we're recording

this Friday August day. So we just did that episode. And we're like, take players and good teams. And then we're like Panthers. We like it. Jags, battle line. But you know what taking them anyway. All these cursed franchises.

Well, that's what sucks is that like one out of these 10 shitty teams will be great and be the secret key to fantasy this year. That will happen. So what are the facts? So we didn't take a break in a second, but what are the factors that are worth chasing? How do we marry, so to speak, these things between like Liam Cohen's a coordinator, a coach we believe in. And there's talent like Trevor Lawrence. And Trevor Lawrence is on my list of guys of like, all right, he's had a crazy career. Like I kind of still believe.

I like him, right? I like him, but am I saying? I would say this. I like Trevor Lawrence. I like Liam Cohen. We should probably bet on them, even though they're the Jags. The Bears are like,

I like Ben Johnson. I still believe in Caleb Williams. But to Craig's point, it's not that easy. That's a year two team. Like I just don't. Or maybe it's not you two. I like November,

but I don't trust him at this point. Yeah, it's November. Yeah, I just. I have a lot to figure out with the bears in the next four, three, four weeks. I think that the way I said it earlier

is the way I'm going to just feel about it going forward. Why am I so, why am I so obsessed with like yeah, just get in early on the first 4,000 yard passing game in Bears history. They've never done it. Like I just, it's like a Ponzi's game. It's like just sell it to the next

sell it to the next guy. Yeah, it's like, you want a good coach that you trust. If they're in year two of the system, that's a bonus. You want a quarterback that you trust and you want an offensive line that's decent. The Panthers check all three of those boxes. I will say the Panthers is an interesting one.

The Panthers is an interesting call, yeah. They had this because they've been bad for five years. They've been working on that offensive line for a long time. They're a joke. And it's basically, yeah, you know what the, I think the Panthers are the answer. No one's talking about the Panthers. No, dude, I'm telling you. And Tetra Romillon is, Mr. McMillan is such a cheap relative to like the eighth pick in the draft.

Like, Malik neighbors, you know, well, I guess. Chuba Hubbard. Have we even said his name this whole fucking off-season? Chuba's a good example because the Panthers overpaid for those two guards. But like, it revived Rayshund's career because you can't get into your pressure when he's so short. Robert. They were able to run the ball. Yeah.

Damian Lewis. Damian Lewis, right, yeah. That's a great, that's a great call. Yeah, I think maybe Chuba. Are we Lovin Schubert? It's a good call because I don't believe it at all, but there's a lot of variables there. It sounds stupid. You know what I mean?

Like, their offensive line is solid already. It's like Ike McQuano, I don't think was great, but it's like if he can be a little bit better. PFF made their offensive line rankings this year. Carolina's 11th. And I'm like, you can just see the pieces. It's like the wider scene of a room was a disaster. But now that Tetz there, it's like, okay. Now Ligette as a number two.

Everyone has a new role. Right. I think that the coaching with Bryce Young this year will be different now that they feel better about it. I just think that there is more going to be on a plate, I guess I would say. And I think we can't overstate Dave Canales's influence on these quarterbacks. I know Liam Cohen gets the credit for Baker, but the year before the bucks were also very, very good. And that's really when Baker took off from out of nowhere from, you know, being basically unemployed. And that was Dave Canales.

And the year before that, Dave Canales took Gino Smith, a quarterback, everybody largely thought was washed in a career backup and now made him a 10 figure, nine figure payday for him. Like, I don't know. I just think Dave Canales is not really in the conversation ever with these like guru coaches. Yeah. And it's because it's hard because it's, it is a little bit muddled in terms of like who do you give credit?

Dude, assigning credit is all this stuff, you know. Assigning. One of the hardest parts of this job is even, forget our job. In the NFL when you are running a team, one of the hardest things is like, Why were we successful? Which people do we keep? Who? And it's like, it seems easy. But like even just look at like the Eagles when they won the Super Bowl the first time, 2017.

At the time, it was like Doug Peterson's the coach. Yeah. And then you're like, Frank Reich was the offensive coordinator. And then you go down the line. And it turns out, well, sometimes the players are just really good. Sometimes Nick Foles. Yeah, man. Like Nick Foles just happened to like be really great at some of those RPO's, man.

Like I, it's, it's, it's really hard to figure out why it's also. I was listening to NFL Daily with Greg Rolz and he was mentioning something and it kind of, this is like kind of obvious, but also I hadn't really thought of it this way. It's like there's a lot of coaches that are really good at a certain thing and then they can do that in one year. And then the league takes a whole off season and figures out what your fastball is and then takes that away. Mike McDaniel kind of. Right. And then you have to fucking adapt. And the good coaches can adapt and change.

Can adapt and change. Sean McVagg runs a different offer. that he did five years. This is why McVey and Shanahan or McVey and Shanahan is because they understand why they're doing things and because they understand the why they know when to move on from it. And then you have Matt Patricia who doesn't understand the why of anything. And Matt Patricia is just copy pasting what smart people do. And like that's not that doesn't work that long.

It's like you're playing chess. You have to, you know, you have to know all the different options of moves. It's a counter. Right. So the last guy I want to talk about before we, I want to, I said up, take a break in a second, but it doesn't matter. We haven't talked about this guy's name. And we've been keep not.

talking about this guy's name. But going back to the first rule we said of in this episode of Identify Kingmakers and this keeps coming up, Devante Adams is in Los Angeles. Like, Devante Adams is on the Rams and he's older. He's like 33, but he has not lost a step and he has the kind of skill set that will age very well. Devante Adams is like, like it's not like a Deshawn Jackson where you're really fast and then you lose the speed and then like Devante Adams. He's 32, by the way. 32. There you don't give him 33. If you don't like the player, you say he's going to be 33. Yeah, right. He He will be 33 in December, but not. So he's 32.

Yeah. That's a young 32. It is. Guys win in different ways. Devante Adams wins because he has the best release footwork in the NFL. If he was in the NBA, like, it's that moment where you get the, like, you beat the guy off the dribble. Devante Adams is literally the best person in the NFL at winning off the dribble at the line of scrimmage. That is the skill set that will age way better than just like blazing speed that one hamstring injury.

Like running away from a corner. Yes. Yeah. So the fact that you think about that, though, Devante Adams' whole thing is I can get open quicker than anyone. He's with fucking Sean McVeigh and Matthew Stafford. And you talk about kingmakers. He is the kingmaker.

Stafford is also a kingmaker. The player with the most receiving yards in the history of the NFL in a single season, Calvin Johnson, he did that Matt Stafford. The player with the most fantasy football points in his single season ever is Cooper Cup. He did that with Stafford and McVeigh. The rookie who had the second or the third or the third-third-first-fancy points ever for receiver is Puka Nakua, who did that with Stafford and McVeigh. Devante Adams goes there, and I think it's one of those.

He made Kenny Galladay a huge star in fantasy. Yes. And I'm like, and I barely ever played again. Stafford does it. McVeigh, Stafford is a, we always joke that Mike McDaniels have passed it to the Italians coach where they just give it to the best. Stafford's a pass it to the Italians quarterback.

He's like, he's so confident in his ability to get the ball out. He's like, I'm going to get it to the best two guys. And like, I just, it has just been undercovered at every point this year. like Devante Adams still has it and he's on the ramps. Like that if I know the Stafford's back is like a red herring. That's the thing. Everyone's off it again because Stafford with the back and it's going to be a thing. It's like Stafford is going to die before he missed week one.

Yeah. He's going to, Stafford will die. I never heard of back. Yeah. I mean, I've heard of that when someone, a woman is giving birth, right? I've never heard that word outside of the context of childbirth. Right. I just, I, anyway, I think the Stafford back is actually an opportunity to get Devante kind of cheap because the

odds of a legendary season are pretty high. Well, I gave my hot take, or not hot take, I guess. It's just like a sleeper pick or bed or whatever. Like, Devante Adams is 100 to 1 right now for offensive player of the year. And Puka is 16 to 1. I'm so glad you brought that up, D.K. On Tuesday, August 26th, it's Fandle Futures Day. A new holiday for football fans.

It's 24 hours of deals on all your football season predictions. So you can take a flyer on the MVP race. DK is right 100 to 1 for Devante Adams to be. offensive player of the year. I don't think that's that crazy because you're kind of talking about, well, maybe Pooka misses some games. What if Puka gets hurt? Yeah.

What if Puka Gets hurt? Again, Pucca, who has been hurt in most seasons of his college and NFL career and gets, refuses to go down. And it's like, well, Devante Adams and Matt Stafford and he just forces every ball to Devonthe. It's not a bad idea. The other ones, I want to read some MVP odds to you guys. Because I think that, and again, my take with MVP is always that like, it's just kind

of, it's usually one of the guys of the best two records in the conference that doesn't have a great defense. So it's like Lamar is 4 to 1. Josh Allen's 6 to 1. Joe Bar is 6 to 1. Jay and Daniels is 10 to 1. Herbert's 20 to 1. Jordan Love's 21.

Hertz is 20 to 1. Baker's 25 to 1. Brock Purdy's 28 to 1. Jordan is kind of interesting to me. Because the Packers will be good. Could any of these teams get the number one seed in the conference? Because I kind of look at party at 28 to 1 when we all like the Niners to make the playoffs. I'm like, great.

I's going to like that one. It's like everyone's like, Well, his team's so good. It's like, okay, well, Debo's gone. I yuk's gone. Now it's Parasol Jennings. I'm like, maybe people would belatedly give Purdy credit. Stafford's 40 to 1, which is interesting.

I mean, maybe it's just something about me being there. We'll never give him full credit. What were Jalen Hertz's odds? Hertz is 20 to 1, which is crazy because you're kind of like, the Eagles throw a lot more this year. If anything would have happened to Sequin and the Eagles are still a one seed and like Hertz has like his best throwing season is still rushing a ton. That's a good call because, again, if you just look at the history of MVP's,

and it's different now because it's not two buys per conference anymore, but the history is literally outside of Agent Peterson hitting 2,000 yards, it is just quarterbacks who are under first round by and then take out the one with the elite defense. And you look at the Eagles and you're like, aren't the Eagles favorite to be, basically the quarterback on the team favored to win the conference shouldn't be 20 to 1?

Yeah. Yeah, okay. All right, so there we're. That'll be an official pick of the show. Hertz 20 to 1 MVP seems like pretty good odds. I like Purdy as well, yeah. What's Kyler? What's Kyler right now?

Kyler is 50 to 1 Let's do That's a good A long chat He's 75 to 1 Mm No Rogers Craig is 75 to 1

Rogers is 75 to 1 75 to 1 That's too low Travis Hunter's 200 to 1 Oh you know You never know What if he just did it We could he would get MVP vote

If Travis Hunter had like top five Most receiving yards For a rookie ever And then also was like an above average cornerback should he getting a BP vote?

Probably. No, because the Jags aren't going to be that good, are they? Yeah, the Jags would need to, like, win 11 games, probably. It is funny that a player playing two sides of the... He's going to... We're recording this, and probably... He's going to play in the preseason game on Saturday, so it's kind of rude it because we already know how we played.

So this will be dated one way or the other, but I will say he's playing both sides of the ball. 200 to 1's a little low. I agree. Okay. So that's our... 20 to 1 for Jalen Hertz, though, I'm going to make that our official MVP vet of the show because I think that's really good.

So you can crown your champion in August. Pick to win the Super Bowl. I'm picking, I right now I'm Ravens Eagle Super Bowl. And we can decide the winner. But that's how I feel at this moment of time. The Bills, Bill's Ravens right there, but the bills have a bunch of injuries in training camp that are bugging me. It's August Day, so some things have probably happened. But I just think the Ravens to me are incredible. And I'm not picking against Eagles in the

NFSA. I refuse. I don't know. I don't know. Can I like the Ravens? kind of like the Ravens, but I like the NFC team. I refuse to pick a different NFC team

in the, than the Eagles. Um, I think the Chiefs are gonna win this year, well, boring. We're gonna pick Chiefs

over Eagles after what we just saw. Yeah. It's actually the most galaxy brand I think I've ever seen. That's actually the best thing. I think she's going to be the Eagles this year. That's,

I'm going to take, I'm going to take Ravens. Oh, no, I'm going to take Eagles over Ravens. I should think the Eagles repeat. DK? Man.

Bills. Yeah. That's hard knocks. That's the most fun one. The bills are the most fun team. So you can crown your champ, pick your MVP, pick your Super Bowl winner, parley your division, winter, dark horses. Mark your calendars.

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789 7777 or visits CCPG.org slash chat in Connecticut. Are you guys watching Hard Knocks? No. I missed it this week, but I'm going to watch it. I mean, I'm going to catch up. Do you feel the same zest and interest in Hard Knocks that you did years ago? No, I think it, like personally or like in the water like people watching it. Personally.

I think that they have done a really good job choosing teams. Yeah, they're better now. I think the Lions were fun. I think the bill is the perfect choice. I think the bills are the best possible team you could follow because the bills are just, I think the bills are America's team right now. Them and the Lions. Yeah, I think the formula of the show, I think,

has, I don't know, made me lose interest a little bit where it's like you get to know these like plucky undrafted free agents, you fall in love with them, they get cut. I don't know. To me, the problem is very simple. Do you feel like there's oversaturation with all this stuff now? Yeah, for sure. I think a lot of the access that Hard Knocks offers is like everywhere now.

And you kind of know everything about these players, like whether it's on social or there's other shows. It was revolutionary at the time with like the 2000 Ravens or whenever. Now it's like you have all these training camp stuff. The other problem is that the real problem Hardnock says is that the offseason one was a revolution. It's such a better product. Having the more time to edit it made it way better show instead of turning every show around in a few days. And it's at a better time of the year.

Like getting a football, getting an inside look at the Giants that's coming out in June and July when there's no camp. All the players on vacation. Like there's nothing. It's the deadest time of the year for football. it was great. And then Joe Shane fucked it up for everyone

because the Sequin call and then no team's ever going to agree to that ever again. But that was a way better show. And the reason that moment happened

is because they were like, they were in these opaque draft decisions that you never hear anything about. And it's way, yeah.

I would say I have like very romantic memories of watching Hard Knocks. Oh, it was so fucking cool. And now I'm just like not, I just can't get into it

as much as I used to. The year that ruined the August product I think was the Raiders. in 2019. It was the year that Antonio Brown was on the Raiders and John Gruden was the coach

and we're like Gruden, hard knocks. But the teams get editorial control which the Giants did not really exercise and the Antonio Brown would like flash froze his feet. They like didn't put it in the show. Cryo chamber and he wasn't there

and it was like the biggest story in the NFL was every day Antonio Brown was leaving practice, quitting the team, burned his feet in a cold tub. And the show just had none of it. Yeah. And it was kind of like

Why are you here for? Very little. Yeah. Yeah. Propaganda. Yeah. Literal propaganda. Yeah.

Literal propaganda. Next rule is here. Craig, where's this tattoo out on your body? It's just tattooed on my thigh. Sick. It says, get you a man that can do both.

And boy. Could be construed in a lot of ways. Sure. Yeah. Boy, can I not stress enough how wonderful it is having a quarterback that can run. And, you know, the pocket.

Pocket Passer stuff, you can throw your darts and you can get lucky. And I went back, I looked at the last three years at the pocket passers who popped, finishing the top 10. I'm going to give you the four that popped every year. 2024. It was Burrow, Baker, Jared Gough, and Sam Donald. The year before that, Dak Prescott, Jordan Love, Kurt Cousins, and C.J. Stroud. 22, it was Patrick Mahomes, Gino Smith, Tua, and Burrow.

What do you notice about that list? It's not a lot of repeats. They're different every time. Yeah. Yeah. It's impossible to predict. It's like, how are you supposed to decide if it's going to be Sam Donald or Gino Smith or Jordan Love or Kirk Cousins or Doc Prescott?

You know who's in it every single time? Josh Allen, Jalen, Jalen Hertz, Lamar Jackson. You do have to spend a little bit more. And the last three years, there's only been two pocket passers who have repeated in just two of the three years. It's Burrow and it's Brock Purdy. And even Brock Purdy uses his legs a little bit more than the average pocket passer. So man, it's like if you have a very strong conviction about somebody being a great pocket passer, go for it.

But there is no safer bet than a guy who can run. You're just trying to figure out who's going to throw a lot of touchdowns, which is a very hard thing to do because it's such a random is maybe not the right word, but it is a highly variable. I was surprised, to be honest, going back through this, I was surprised there was not more repeats just in the top 10. I was like, there has to be some guys. And this is not, there's just points per game. Like, these guys even were allowed to get hurt. And there was literally, it was just Joe Burrow. And it was very surprising to me.

And that's why we have the top four guys can run. We have Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hertz, Jan Daniels, who have Joe Burroughs the fifth. And that's why I'm so hard on Baker as the pocket pass. Or maybe that's the one this year that I'm like my hardcore take that's going to be super wrong. But I'm like Baker had never thrown 30 touchdown passes in the year. And then last year he threw 40.

And so the idea that you're going to take Baker as like the sixth quarterback or the seventh quarterback. You're going to use Baker as like a sixth round pick or something, maybe seventh round pick. And I'm like, okay, but Jay G. Zach reasons that a lot of work on this, your odds, the odds of, like, Baker being a top five quarterback are like really similar to Dak Prescott's odds as the 12th quarterback where Jordan Love as like the 16th quarterback. Like, you'd be shocked to Craig's point. The difference between the number 15 and the number seven quarterback making it to top five is they don't run are like almost identical. It's literally a crapshoot.

So we look at it, like, why would I take Baker when you could just take a running quarterback like Drake May and pair him with Jordan Love? who's going to run more this year, they say, or scramble it more at least. Or like Trevor Lawrence, C.J. Stroud, like Bryce Young, if you believe in it, like any, literally, DAC, any pocket passer, their odds are all kind of the same

of just having a crazy season. Just pick the team of the team that you think is going to be all have a guy of a good year and pair them with a runner. I just think back, I think back to, was it last year or the year before?

I think it was the year before when Trevor Lawrence had like seven touchdowns dropped or like a guy on the, end line or whatever. All the Jags receivers were out of bounds. Ian Hart does like his collection of plays that are just like that make you so mad every week or whatever. The sheesh plays.

And I'm just like it was just like all Trevor Florence. It's just so hard. It is so hard to predict. You know, it's a oblong ball and there's so many variables. It's just hard to predict who's going to have a ton of touchdowns in any given year. But the rush. That's the point though. The rushing is the easiest thing to predict because we know who's fast and who's

not. Like that's the point though. That's what like we know that Jalen Hertz can run the ball. We know that the Josh Allen. We know how many designed runs a team is going to, you know, draw up more or less. Like you know what I mean? It's obviously not exact. But the quarterbacks who get design runs get design runs. Yeah. And so with that said, I, I, Drake May, it's weird because we're at the Vorge of pushing them up really high for guys one one game. But like Drake May, I almost them okay to rank him as the ninth quarterback or 10th just because the supply and demand of there's really not once the top four guys are gone and then bo necks and kiler are gone there's justin fields and then after that it's like okay who can run Caleb drake may maybe

j jc McCarthy a little and then it's like maybe anthony fucking richards and danel jones like that's like the supply and demand is so limited that like i don't mind if you reach for drake may just because there's you know matt stafford's that like there's so many quarterbacks gino smith got a year like yeah i mean Jordan love is going as the 17th quarterback off the board He was the QB 5 two years ago. Yeah. That's great. Where's DAC going?

Yeah, DAC was the QB four two years ago. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's just a slot machine of pocket processors every year. That's my, yeah, that is my absolute strongest belief this season is just take. And maybe that is the thing that ends up being dumb. But I'm like, don't take Baker. Don't take.

Well, Bonix runs. But Brock Purdy's all right. I think a lot of people are on Brock Purdy because the Niners are cheaper. Like, I get that. I understand why people take party. Purdy and Nick provide somewhat of a floor where I do, feel like if they have decent seasons, they can live in that quarterback seven to nine reigns just because of the rushing.

Bo Nix is a good runner. Like that's like he's not, you know, Lamar Jackson, but Bo Nix does run pretty well. And they do have design runs for him. But yeah, I just totally agree. Jordan Love. I really like Kyler Murray this year. There was already a lot of talk about him running. He's like actually interested in running this year.

Whereas the last couple of years, he was like, I'm not running. I want to be a pocket passer, blah, blah, blah. I am kind of getting excited about what Kyler can do because I, he's like, I'm kind of getting excited about what Kyler can do because I think they're going to have him run a bunch. So Kyler, Kyler said that this is now the closest he will ever feel to how healthy he was before he tore his ACL in 20203, which leads me to my next rule, which is the two-two rule, which is get guys the year after, the year after they have an injury, which is like the most basic rule of thumb.

And it's a rule of thumb. Sometimes it depends on a lot of factors of what the injury is, when it happened, all that stuff. But generally speaking, there is like this crazy consistent pattern with fantasy football where a guy gets hurt and tears his ACL or something. And then the next year he comes back and like, oh, back in September or maybe in October, and he comes back and people like, this guy sucks. And then don't realize that if you've had an injury, like, you realize there is a gap between

when you are physically able, healthy enough to return to an NFL field. And again, it's not walking around like it's your life. It's like 100th percentile athleticism. But there's a gap between your brain, trust you to perform these 100th percentile athletic feats. Your brain is like, it's like a governor on a car, like there are a go-crow. Card or whatever. Like they're withholding you from going as fast as you can. Your brain's like, no, we're going to fucking get hurt again. I'm not ready. And there is a two or three month process that it takes you to feel. So what ends up happening is the next, it takes a couple

seasons later for the player to get back to full health. And then they're a discount. We see this year after year after year after year. Kyler's a good example of it. If like Kyler's like, I feel great now. I can't even just tell the examples. I think it's kind of hard sometimes or maybe I'm giving ourselves credit for doing this. But like we, because it's so easy to be like, oh, he's just never going to be as fast as he was before after an injury. I think sometimes we make that assumption. And then a year later, they're back to what they were before. And we're like, oh, probably should have guessed that.

Because I feel like sometimes we, when a guy is coming back from an injury, he doesn't look right. And this is like the Breece Hall thing, Craig. And we're like, he's broke forever. And then we're like, he's got no juice. He sucks. He's cooked or whatever. And I'm like, he was hurt. Yeah.

And I think it makes us forget how good a player is. Now that's not to say that Breeze Hall is going to go back. to where he was before because a lot of players are just never as fast as they were before after a major injury. For the record, Brees Hall is allowed to be hurt and look worse because he was hurt.

I was upset because nobody knew he was hurt. And no one said anything until after the year. I feel like we sometimes just don't talk about the fact that these guys were playing through injuries. Like we just sort of ignore that part. Everyone's hurt. Yeah. And so a list of guys,

and again, it's not as simple as just, well, they got hurt in 2023, so they'll be better in 2025. It's not that simple. But we can go into it if you guys want. But for a variety of reasons, players who I think will be better in 2025 because of a lack of understanding around their injuries. I've talked to about Debo Samuel who had pneumonia last year and everyone's like citing his yards per catch and yards after the catch as if I give a fuck about his pneumonia numbers. I'm like, he was playing football after he was hospitalized.

Craig just yells fat. Fuck you, Craig. God damn it. No, I just, I love how reductive everybody is. I was like, fat, he's fat. Fat. He just said like flashbacks to middle school there. Yeah. Debo that was hospitalized for pneumonia

played four days later and people were on the internet. I have all people should understand this. Yeah. Wash and fat. I had pneumonia. It was the worst I've ever felt in my life. No, he's old washed and fat. Yeah, washed fat.

Washed. I love people just like making these grand assumptions just out of nothing. There's a one video of them, fat washed. Other guys that I think are just, where people think are bad, but we're hurt. Jaden Reed. Jaden Reed for the Packers is my guy this year. I'm not saying he's going to be the number one

receiver in fantasy football, but I just think he was injured all year and people like, he wrote Tito and he's blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, he is there. I'm gonna be honest. I didn't know he was hurt. What happened?

He's hurt all, what he happened. He's hurt all, he played through it. This is what I'm saying. I always, like we immediately just don't remember that they were hurt. Tatoo on yourself, TK, that Jane Reed was hurt last year. This is the Marry Cooper thing. Armic Cooper plays their injuries,

so you think he's not as good as he is. suited up. T.J. Hawkinson is just back. I think that he was back in December. The numbers don't bear it out, but I'm like, he will be better when you, week one, people will be like, T.J. Hawkinson. Like, he, towards ACL, and wasn't himself last year, and he will be himself this year. I'm very confident in that one.

Other guy, the other one, this is the most controversial one. Not exactly a two to rule, but someone who was injured, and now we have the ick. And then we're like, oh, Christian McCaffrey. Because we are so terrified. The most complicated one player in Cuffian. He didn't play, like he didn't take 400 tackles last year like Sequin Barclay. So the idea that he's a bigger injury risk than Sequin is frankly probably a fear and anxiety we have in our minds.

In reality, he got to rest his fucking body all gut. Like he's been training. He's been like, we literally have done this with McAfee already. It's so hard because everyone's fucking tearing their Achilles right now. It's an epidemic in Achilles injuries. Yeah. It's creating a panic. But that's what I'm saying.

There's a by-low opportunity here where it's like everyone's so afraid of with McCaffrey. I just, but when he plays, he's basically the best running back in the history of fantasy football, probably since Lidane and Tomlinson. He's like having two players in one spot. Yeah. And would you, would you feel more confident in Christian McCaffrey

this year if what happened last year happened? Or if he had 482 touches last year. I, oh, I would be way more, I'm way more nervous about last year. You're more nervous because you're like, because the Achilles thing is like, oh, so if he has this,

he could just move weird and like he's just his career is over. He could try and take a step and then his Achilles tendon will pop. Yeah, that sounds not great. But I think that the touch, like, we literally have done this with him. I'm only asking because Hyvitz is like, he didn't take any hits last year. Like you could argue and I'm like, well, would you prefer he did take 482 hits? Well, but this is what I'm saying. But this is what I'm saying.

We've done this with him in his career. Like in 2019, he had like this dominant league winning season. If you had McAfre in 2019, you had a 50% chance to make your chance. Great year. He also wasn't an early round pick that year. He got him like the third round. He had 400 touches that year. The next year he plays three games.

And then we're idiots. We make him the number one pick again. And he gets hurt again. He plays seven games. It's not great. Then what happens to 2020? We've just done this a lot with him. Yeah, 2020.

He falls to 2020. He falls to 2020. 2022, he literally does the sake one. He like has, he's the best player in fantasy football goes to the Super Bowl and like should have won the Super Bowl. And that, you know what I mean? Like we've been a year before. I think, I think personally it's less that he missed time last year and more that it was because

of an Achilles injury. I think the Achilles injury is the boogeyman. It's scary. It's scary. You can pop that thing just taking a step. Like I know that knees are also just go out when you play a weird. You're 100% right, D.K. We are in an Achilles moment right now.

I don't know why, but everyone is popping. Like four NBA players pop their Achilles in this playoffs. We got to have somebody to do a study about this. I just keep coming back to he's going to play 90 plus percent of snaps for the 49ers every game. Which isn't even a debate because last year when he came back,

they gave him 90% of snaps. And I'm just saying, until he tears this Achilles, we're going to rank him first or second. It's going to be McAfreyssequine. Are they not going to be the top two guy? When we put our weekly rankings, which we have weekly rankings every week

at Faisgible. com, every week he's going to be first or second. And then at some point, if you make it 14 weeks in and it hasn't popped this fucking Achilles yet, you're like, holy fucking shit. I guess I should have took Christian McCaffrey.

Yeah. I'm just saying. No, no, you're right. I agree with you. I think there's two things. One, the value is starting to disappear because he's creeping in earlier and earlier into the first round. And then it's like, okay. So at what point should I just take Jamir Gibbs, who doesn't have Achilles tendonitis in both legs?

That's totally chill. Bilateral. Bilateral, by the way. Bilateral. What was my second point? Oh, it was good. Damn it. I lost it.

I fucked it out. Sorry. No, it's totally fine. Well, you'll feel stupid. That's the problem. You'll feel really dumb. The only thing I want to say about the injuries is I'm making this rule again for players who are hurt this year.

If there is a guy, because how many times do we on Sundays get questions from people like, hey, Christian McAv or Breece Hall is a game time decision and like they're going to give it a go on Sunday and like they're going to. And I have a new rule. Give it a go is my least. Literally every single time, my answer will be, I hope, I think it's going to be the same. if the team themselves does not know

if the guy is healthy enough when they wake up on Sunday morning to play like he have to watch him play he should not be in your lineup because clearly he's not 100% if he's not even close to 100% or else they put him in the fucking game if the team

if the team is using warmups to determine whether a player to determine whether a player can play please stop asking us if you should start it how about that for a rule I'm reading the same thing you are. We have never know if he's going to play or not.

Why would I know what he's going to do? I'm also reading that blurb. Sean McVey's like watching Kyron Williams and like seeing how he cuts and I'm like, I also don't know if this guy's going to play well today. You fucked me. I was like, how am I supposed to fucking know? The team doesn't know.

He doesn't know. Yeah. So that's my new rules. I'm just never going to tell you to play a guy that was at 11.30 in the morning. Just play him two, two. play him next week. It's also a way worse feeling when you start the guy

who's going to give it a go and then he like doesn't play than it is to where you don't start him and then he goes off. At least you're like, all right, at least like my guy's healthy and playing well. You don't start me goes off. You're like, okay, cool, I'll definitely play him next week I wish I'd played him. Whereas if you feel like a fucking moron when you play so with an ankle injury and then they get one catch for nine yards. Dead dumb, do not eat.

Dead dumb, do not eat me. I don't know what I expected. It's halfway through the first quarter and, you know. He takes one hit and he's out for the last the game. Cart's like, yep, Brock Bowers is out for the rest of the game. You're like, God, look it. And the broadcast always says information that they weren't allowed to tell you. They're like, yeah, actually, it's funny. You know, it turns out he actually broke his leg and he's trying to play through the pain.

He's getting cortisone injections. Like, it's way worse. We were in meetings with him all week and he was writhing in pain. They wanted to put him on IR. He wouldn't go. Anyway, all right. Craig, you got anything else in the injuries front? Injury-related tattoos?

Injuries. Two-two. Anything too. too too related. Well, it's funny. McAfrey's not two-two. This is not year two after the injuries, year one. I agree.

I think it's just that one is, it's related to, I just think the overall thing is people are wrong of injuries a lot. McAfree is not quite two years later. It's just. You know, the only one that I am willing to overlook is Rishie Rice.

Rish Rys got hurt in week three last year. And he's going to get suspended probably for like three, four days. So I'm like, All right. You know, he's... Two wrongs can make a right. Well, I'm like, he's going to get a full year before he plays in an NFL game.

And for how he has looked in the offseason, maybe I'm just falling into the trap. But for some reason, I do feel a little bit more confident that Rishie Rice will be able to get back to that pre-injury form this year. Yeah, that one... That one's weird because it sure feels like you're falling into the trap. Yeah. Hyvitz, that my fault, should I not take...

Should you not take Rishi Rice? Better about Rishi Rice than other players, but also he's going to have the ramp. They usually would come back around week five or six if it's not going great. He's going to start then. So I think it probably helps. He probably on a better time. I saw him running the ladder drill. He looks really fast.

You could also. So that's great. I saw Elyke-Iominoa run a route against like an assistant coach and it look good. Guy, football player looks fast. Against a man wearing pants, but man. that look good. Speaking of that, that's a good segue. Hold on to rookie wide receivers.

Every year, every year rookie wide receivers in particular in the second half of the year, come on really strong. It happens, I think it's happened every year for the last like three or four years, five years plus, where, you know,

a guy that kind of starts a little bit slow ends up being a top 12, top 10 type receiver down the stretch. You go back, let's see, 2020 was Justin Jefferson, in 2021. It was Jalen Waddle, 2022. Garrett Wilson and Christian Watson both went off in the second half. 2023, Rishie Rice, just mentioned him. Pooka Nakua, Jaden Reed, and Tank Dell were all top 14 receivers and points per game.

And then last year, Badmokke, Brian Thomas, Malik Navors, and Jalen McMillan, all were very usable in fantasy. So I think the point here is, and obviously, it depends on the depth of your bench and everything. But like, if your rookie wide receiver kind of starts a little bit slow, don't give up right away. Generally speaking, these guys come back with a vengeance in the second half of the year. Once they kind of like learn the nuances of the offense, gain the quarterback's trust, all that stuff, gain the coaches trust in terms of like running the most important route. So this year, again, we don't know who it's going to be, but I think there's plenty of really interesting options here, Travis Hunter, Ted McMillan,

Ameka Buka, who I really like, Matthew Golden, hearing a lot of really good things about Matthew Golden right now. I like Matthew Golden. It sounds like he's running with the starters in 12, personnel, which is basically when they have two receivers on the field that he's out there. So he's going to be running but he's going to be running more routes than Jane Reed who we all think, I think we all like him

as a talent, but he's going to be out there a lot. Matthew Golden is. I think Matthew Golden's going to get the Miami treatment. McDaniel has all those motions. I think the Packers are going to use Matthew Golden and get him running full speed at the snap and just do crazy shit with him. It sounds like he's doing big things at camp making some miraculous. He's a 4-2 guy, right?

Like a 4-28? He's a 4-3 speed. He wanted to beat Xavier Worthiest thing. But like literally Matthew Golden, like that Seinfeld joke, my motto was a muddome. Like, Matthew Golden's mother was a track star. I think his grandmother was a track star. Like, he's just track is in Golden's family. But he also knows the player receiver. Most of those track guys have no touch or feel.

Golden has the track speed. He's a football player, yeah. He like can use tempo with routes. It's not, you know, it's like not Richardson, Anthony Richards just throwing all throws at one speed. Like gold, I like Golden a lot for Greenland. Who did he remind me of? Shoot, I'm trying to blank.

You had him as Airbud Golden receiver. And then you decide to come up with a real comp. I'll holler it out if I remember I think a couple of other guys to keep in mind here that are really interesting Luther Burden Jaden Higgins and Jalen Noel Noel so Burden in Chicago and then Higgins and Jail Lenoelle are on Texans

Yeah Jalen Noel It's spelled Noel but I think it's pronounced Noel But they're both on Houston Kyle Williams for the Pats is an interesting sleeper EOMNR I like that guy I like him too And those guys, realistically, we're not going to draft.

If you're in Dynasty or something, but we're not going to drag. Because O'Mada were like, those are waiver ads. But I think these top guys, I think are worth, because their first round picks, Travis Hunter, Teterrao and McMillan. I mean, those guys are going high. Ibuka, Golden. I think, though, Bert, like, the guys take it in the top 50, I think, have, the hit rates like 50%. Also, this sick route that I, I'm in R.

ran was not against an assistant coach. It was against a Buccaneers cornerback. So, sick. Even better. Ooh. D.K., if you had to pick one of these guys to be good. immediately stretched to run, which is it? And then one guy to come on late.

Immediately, like Buka. And then, I mean, outside of Ted McMillan, who I think is, I mean, he's going high enough that it's not like necessarily he's not a secret or anything. And then, like, second half of the year, Higgins and Noel for Texans kind of stand out to me as like guys that might take a little bit to get in. But by the second half of the year are, you know, the number two receiver on the team. those guys kind of stick out to me. And then burden. Burden is a wild card. Thirst trap.

Yeah, who knows what's going to happen with him? There's a lot of mouse to feed that offense. We don't know if the offense is going to be any good. But the talent is clearly there. It's a dick to me. We mentioned this the other day that he has 87 as his number. Hopefully he changes that before the year. I like it.

It's old school. I do. I like a Buka. I like a Buka a lot. Okay, Dekha, another tattoo here. This is going the opposite way. This is Ride with the Wildhogs. one of my favorite movies in theory that I've never seen.

Wildhogs. The old guys. I know. I do need to watch it. It's a good movie. I think the rule, the thing, the thought that keeps coming to my mind when it comes to just the NFL in general, but especially with this rule, it takes a lot more than you think to unsee a savvy veteran in an offense. Coaches trust him. They know exactly, quarterbacks trust them.

They know exactly where to be in every situation. I think James Connor is like a perfect example. he's been around he's going to pick up the blitz he's great in the passing game he breaks a ton of tackles he's going to protect the quarterback he does everything he's just he makes the right reads in terms of where he's supposed to run all that stuff he might not be super fast anymore but he's just a really good player and obviously like i was a big fan of um the guy that they drafted now whose name i'm forgetting which i guess is pretty bad trey benson um i was a big fan of him but like benson's a rookie probably making a lot of mistakes in practice.

It just takes a lot to unseat a guy like James Connor, even though he's older and not as explosive. Mike Evans, DeVante Adams, Derek Henry, James Connor, Alvin Camara, Aaron Jones. These guys are all going to put up big points in fantasy. I think just write them to the wheels fall off, honestly. Zach Gertz is still

out here fucking making plays. Can I pilot something? I thought he retired like six years ago. Can I pilot something to you guys that maybe should have been an entire episode instead of me burying this like an hour into this episode? I kind of think my signature draft strategy this year. I'm soft launching it. It might be,

I think I want to combine the last two rules, D.K. said. Veterans that are hard to unseat in their thames. No medium age. Old and young. So the first eight or nine rounds. So no guys in their prime. No.

No, I'm saying that's the market inefficiency. No one in their prime. That's so fucking good. The soon to be dead and the newly bred, baby. I'm just saying, you can start. 25-year-old. We're out. You can get,

do you know how easily you could get your running backs to be like Derek Henry and James Connor? Oh my God. Recevers of Tyree killed, Devante Adams, Mike Evans and Calvin Lee. You can get Travis Kelsey a tight end. Like,

and then, however, then all your bench is youth. When they get hurt later, your bench is the Matthew Goldens, the Luther burdens, the root trans, all the young guys.

I call it the Belichick. It's all olds and youngs. It's like the oldest possible and the youngest possible. possible people together. The May December, the May December team. Yes. It's the Belichick system.

Hyvitz, if you tweak it a little bit, it's great. Basically, I would say outside of the first two rounds, then switch to the old and young only. First two rounds, it's like, all right, I'm not going to not take Jamar Chase. No, even the first two rounds, it works. I'll take Derek Henry and Ashton Genty. It's done. Easy.

Henry and Genty, old and youngs together. Those are your only two options, though, but I guess. I'm just saying Henry and Gentie and then you get Devante, you get Hyriek. This is the funniest. The Belichick. I like it, though. I think once you get into like rounds three, four, and beyond, old and young. I'm telling you.

I'm telling you. Come around, you'll take Calvin Ridley and Ted McMillan. I'm telling you. Yeah. Yeah. It's like D.K. Metcalfe, it's like D.K. McHavre, nah. No, no, no. All these mid-round guys, DJ Moors, I don't want any of that.

In all seriousness, though, I know it sounds like a bit, and it kind of is, but I have an actual theory to it, which is simply put, people in their prime are properly priced. Yeah, they're overlooked. They're young and old. Guys who are 30 are improperly priced because there's an assumption they're going to fall off. And if they don't, you profit mass. It's that simple. Derek Henry not falling off is wrongly priced.

His fall off is built in. People in the prime are priced right. Rookies, not. So what you're saying is if rookies do develop faster, that's all you need to have a crazy value. In the older guys, as long as they don't fall off, like if Mike Evans doesn't fall off, he's just priced wrong. He should be more expensive. We're just afraid of taking my heavens.

You're just saying don't buy at the piece. It's really mostly about the old people because I do think, like, it is kind of consensus now that it's like you got to draft the rookies. The rookies are under price. Hold on to the rookies. Think so. Matthew Golden's going 130th. He was a first round pick.

That's true. But I think there is way more of a stigma against these old players. The old guys have stigma. Being afraid that you're going to draft a guy the year he falls off the cliff. You don't want to be caught holding the bag or whatever. And so your dart throws are running backs. Like Camp Scadabo is a pretty cheap running back. I know he just did his hamstring.

He's going to get cheaper, but I'm like, Camp Scataboo, I think, the hamstring actually makes me want Scatibu more because I think the second half the season, he could just be a starting running back. You might, I don't know where he's going to fall to. Woody Marks, it might just be the starting running back for the Texans. Like, like, you're just late, you do rookie running backs.

Yeah. And like, I'm just saying, I really think this is going to be what my teams look like, which is really scary because they could also be horrible. Anyway, that leads to my last rule, which is just being open-minded, which maybe I'm not. But just being my, this was my last tattoo,

be open-minded, not just because I said, don't take Joe Burrow when Joe Burrow probably would have been the MVP if they just made the fucking playoffs. But I just think that the more I do this job, the more I remember the ultimate quote for every industry, which is William Goldman, nobody knows anything, which is the truest thing ever. And if anyone's listening to this like in your teens or you're in college, like the grand secret of adulthood is nobody knows what they're doing. Everybody is winging it at every possible level. Nobody has any fucking, no, really, it's true. No one knows what's going on. And like, like if you had polled NFL executives on September 25th

if Bryce Young was an NFL player, most would have said he's not an NFL player. I felt that way. It's just media though. NFL people were like that guy, you know what, in retrospect, way too small. Why would you bet it? Bryce Young outplayed CJ Stroud by the end of the season.

And like, just look at the Panthers. Sam Darnold left because he was poor play. 14 wins to the Vikings. Cut Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfield's second most touchdown, second most yards. Bryce Young, they gave him. up a price young themselves the panthers get fresh young and then he came back he was good that's one team

Baker mayfield was like playing scout team defense in the fucking panthers he's getting a he's getting 45 million a year to be quarterback rushing the passer nobody and guess what he was the guy guarding elechio minor in that video every team could have had Baker Mayfield it's not just that it's like

the Ravens took Haydenhurst before they took Lamar Jackson the point being none of these people know anything this is the basis of my belief for Anthony Richardson but it's not just me saying take Anthony Richardson it's that for young players in tough situations like keep an open mind to when things change when there's a coaching situation with this organization change like 23 year old players are not finished products and so be wary of there's only a couple positions where we really know out of the bat if you're any good

and so I just be open minded to stuff and I'm trying to be more open minded as well but I think that when you see everyone else writing off a situation and the cost you not only can just la la la everyone else, I told you so. But if everyone else is just written off a situation, like just check again. Because people are wrong all the fucking time. That's it. It's my rant.

I just read that book on vacation, Goldman's book. Yeah. What is it? It's called Adventures in the Screen Trade is written by William Goldman. That's where he says that nobody knows anything. Nice.

Great book. Mark Zuckerberg named his company meta. And then they don't even know if they do that anymore. No, they don't. They don't. I don't actually know. Now it's all sunglasses, which is definitely not going to work. Oh, my God.

Anyway. Okay. Any other take... We have one email here. Any other takeaways of all these lessons we've done two now. And again, we record this August... Just have good players, man. You know?

Just take your more chase. Yeah. Yeah. Take elite players. I really do think my big, though, thing for fantasy this year is just don't crazy reach for players that you like. But overall, keep in mind as a tiebreaker. which of these people would you rather be on your team? Put them in your happy Gilmore, like go to your happy place.

Yeah. Like which of these guys fits there? So like for me. Who's in your happy place? Yeah. Just literally. Just literally. Put a star next to the names that you like.

Travis Hunter, I understand if I take Travis Hunter this year that he's going to play defense. And I might be dumb. But I'm like, if Travis Hunter is what I think he could be on someone else's team, I'm going to be like distraught that I didn't take him. And like if you have people like that, just take people you want to root for.

That's all. You want to watch. Any other things on these lessons? My dog is starting to really bother me. Okay, cool. Well, there's one email to get out of here. All right. This is an email from Roy. Roy. Roy. Our bone.

This one's simple. I was talking about having flat. I can't think the bone things last so long. I really thought it'd be over by now. I love it. Roy said I had yogurt and an English muffin for breakfast. Oh, nice. Like that. Yeah, email is put a breakfast in your email.

a couple weeks we were talking about how I have really flat feet and then someone sent in email and it's like yeah that makes sense Hyphus looks like a guy with flat feet I talk is barking at me what's wrong with him what is he mad about what's going on he wants to go out he just like

does this thing where he barks at me okay lay down lay down sorry continue it's super it's the most distracting thing imaginable he's like hey put him up my he's like look at me

All right. So Roy says, D.K. Let your dog. Oh, not a size. It's a room. Roy says, I have the flattest feet ever, and I have more stories that can prove it.

Roy says, I once stood on the Dr. Scholl's machine at the mall that tells you what orthotic insert you need. And the machine, the Dr. Scholl's machine scanned by bare feet, and the screen said, please remove your shoes.

I love it. Zero arch detected. I thought that. Please take the two by fours off the machine. The shoe machine thought your feet were shoes. That's, is, wow.

Unbelievable. He also said, when I get out of the shower and I walk around my house barefoot, my feet literally makes suction cup fart noises. Oh my God. Squidward That's so funny Squidward

suction to the floor I didn't like that I didn't need to hear that shut George up real quick I gave you guys the hebie cheebies there sorry George just became intrigued Oh my God

Christ Yeah The Yeah The Yeah That's that's all That's all I got.

Suckion. It's so funny. Hyvitz, you got to get him a pair. What was the basketball shoe brand? No, it's out of style. Actio, but shout out of Brooks. The Brooks, Brooks are the people flat feet now, them Brooks beasts.

You should start a subreddit, Hyvitz. You think I invented flat feet? Yeah, I mean, I'll join it. When Trump started talking about the tariffs. I was saying the subreddit, I don't know. Oh. He was like, I'm not saying you invented flat feet, but you could invent the subreddit.

That might not say. Oh, dude. When do you think I get all my shoe recommendations? You guys call it. What are the side effects of flat feet? Like, what's the problem other than the clopping noise? I'm not, well, other than the clopping. Richie Bozick texted me and said all, I told the story of running so loudly that he missed a layup and of transition.

And he was like, everyone hit me up about that. But other than that, the side effects are basically, it throws your alignment of your legs out of balance because basically I'm not walking on the same parts of my feet that you guys are. But my knees, ankles and hips were designed to walk on the parts that on the parts that I'm not walking on. So it's just like, by I'm redistributing the weight on my ankles, knees, and hips. And so if you don't,

the reason you get orthotics is to force your feet into the position your knees were designed to walk in so you don't develop like chronic problems later in life. So they're expensive, but they're worth it because it's kind of like investing and not having this is the most boring possible kind of. There is a subreddit are flat feet,

7,000 members. Yeah. There are 7,000 hours. The other thing, do you guys know people's I think my feet are two different sizes. One's like 11, one's 10 and a half. What? You guys don't have this?

No. No. I want to find my foot pen pal. I need to find my foot pen pal. Do you buy two different shoes sizes? No, but like I'm just saying this is, it is a thing where people are just like, it's not crazy, but it's like, it's like I'm rounded. One's probably 10.6 and one's at 11, 10.9.

But it's like one is always going to fit better. And I need to find my foot pen pal, who a guy who has the same size feet but opposite. So we can buy the same. shoes and switch them. The problem is my feet are your sizes. Well, the problem is my width is 4E, which isn't like a

He's got fucking flippers. E is wide. Double is extra wide. Double E is extra wide. This is like the most depressing version of Cinderella's slipper ever. The ugliest possible shoe.

For E. For E. Dude, my favorite party trick is at the mall. I'll walk into a shoe store. You have four. Yeah. The confi is all confessions.

are all confused. They've never heard of that. Like, literally, like, they've never heard of it. For some reason, it just makes so much sense, too. 4E, flopping around. Yeah. Oh, my God. That's really funny. Anyone's got flat feet. Email, ringer fancy football at jimmy.com.

I feel your pain. Get in that subreddit, Hyvitz. It's a lot of x-rays. A lot of people posting their x-rays. The Dr. Shulls guy is so funny to me, because literally the entire thing that they have to do is just scan feet. So the idea that that machine, That should be the best machine in the world at figuring out feet versus shoes. Yeah.

And the poor guy. Not reading his feet is so good. It's like your feet or shoes, sir. All right. Thank you, DK. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Kai. Thank you, Carlis.

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Switching up. Yeah, which one? I don't think I've probably done Billy Ray. So Billy Ray Cyrus. Sure. Has he done anything since like that Old Town Road thing? Hopefully he hasn't done anything to get himself canceled lately. I don't, you know.

I don't know. I don't know. Well, if he did, then I'm sorry. I think, yeah. I think on the scale of what gets you canceled in Hollywood, he's okay. I think the cancel thing itself has been. canceled. I don't think we're canceling. Right. Gets you periodic. We're now only canceling people who are like truly horrible

people, which I think is good. Are we? Yeah, I think we're canceling. No, we're not. We're not. Well, not all of them. You know, some people get fast forwarded. That's true. But, you know, in Hollywood, I guess at least. Oh, sure, sure, sure. You know, like, yeah, what are we starting to start? It's just dancing around the, well, no, I guess. What am I going to be like Bill Cosby?

Like what's the point of getting into that? Sure. Billy Ray though. I'm not familiar with like his actual music from earlier. Ekey Breaky Heart is the only song. Yeah. Is there any, you see he's not a one at wonder though, right? Like, no, but I think that's the main thing he's known for.

Yeah. Don't bear my heart. My, yeah. Keep killing it. Keep going. He has other songs called Could Have Been Me, Butterfly, Oh, no, that's Hannah Montana. Dude, you know what's funny? This is the Old Town Diplow remix is his number.

I think it was his song from the Hannah Montana movie. Right. I know it's like obviously Billy Ray Cyrus's main listenership is not on Spotify. Obviously, he made music for decades before the internet. But it's funny to me that Old Town Road Diplow remix is his third song on Spotify. Dude, he gets 2.8 million monthly listens. It's probably Old Town Road. He's been dating Elizabeth Hurley, who was a big deal.

What? Yeah. Big deal on Austin Powers. Fell to my knees in a Walmart. I think they are, how do I say this? Mentally and morally aligned in very interesting and unique ways. So I think they are good fits for one another, but are a little bit kind of, you know. Yeah, that's an odd couple.

Yeah. They have very similarly unique opinions on life. D.K. dropping the Genzy slang. Not Elizabeth Hurley, come on. Filled my knees at a Walmart. We're going to bring back her, anyone but her. It's a good time to announce.

We're going to bring back the Genzy Spelling Bee. Kai has been in the lab. We're going to bring back the Genzy Spelling Bee. We've talked about it, and we're going to do a Genzy spelling bee. Kai's been, he's been gathering them up. He's got some good ones. He's been a really good one on us the other day. Did he what?

Dance on it? No, he's, no. That's not it. What's it called? No, DK. That's not. Are you saying doing tricks on it? Yes, that's what he's trying to refer to.

Dance on it. Hey, I clearly didn't fucking know what it was. Right. You actually walked right into the trap of the Gen Z spelling me. What was he? What was Kai saying? Kai's texting. He's not doing it now because I said that.

He's like, I'm fucking out. I'm out. You fucking boomer. Kai just cringed into a coma after that. Yeah, that was. Yeah. Fringe coma. Zero aura, negative aura.

There you go. There you go. I'm back. I'm back, baby. Doing tricks on it. Anyway, that bear in the zoo is for sure, no way. There's no way.

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