The Ringer NFL Show - Russ to NYG, Diggs to the Pats, the Most Divisive Players in the Draft, and Barney’s Cousin Mitch

Episode Date: March 27, 2025

The guys react to the Giants signing Russell Wilson, check in on the Aaron Rodgers sweepstakes, and break down the impact of Stefon Diggs to the Patriots (1:52). Next, they discuss the most divisive players in this year’s draft, including Tet McMillan, Shemar Stewart, Will Campbell, and more (26:21). Later, Craig met Seth Rogen—plus emails (01:03:40)! Check out our 2025 Ringer NFL Draft Guide here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Kai Grady and Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What's happening? It's Todd McShea, host of the McShay show at the Ringer and Spotify. Listen, I love all aspects of football from the college to the professional game, but the draft is my grind. Listen and watch the McShay show for all of my draft analysis. And if you want more, subscribe to my newsletter, the McShay report, where you can find my mock drafts and big boards and all the buzz and intel I'm hearing from NFL decision makers.

Make sure to like, follow, subscribe to the McShay show on the ringer, Spotify, and wherever you watch or listen to podcasts. And subscribe to the McShay report today for a special introductory offer. Google the McShay report or find it on the ringer.com. Welcome to the Ringer NFL Draft Show. My name is Danny Heifton. I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Krollbeck. Today we are going over the most divisive players in this year's NFL draft.

DK is going to give us the guys that people have the widest range of opinions on in the draft and basically why people disagree on them, like basically people seeing watching the same thing, pulling different outcomes. Also, Craig met Seth Rogen at a movie premiere and secretly contributed to a Seth Rogen TV show

all summer without us knowing and now he's going to tell us what the hell was going on with that and we'll talk about the video. Also, I don't know. Was it a day? One day. Well, that's why we got to talk about it.

That counts, man. Sure, sure. More than I have. More than I've done. That's one more day, yeah. I don't know, D.K., you grew up like 45 minutes from him. You might have indirectly influenced Seth Rogen's

entire career for all I know. We were talking about that. Seth, Seth Rogan is like almost exactly my same age. He's in my generation. And I grew up in Bellingham. You could have been his Evan Goldberg.

You were very close. I was close to being a Stephen Glansberg at the very least. We're also going to go over the Green Bay Packers Media Guide from 1936. But first, we have news, including the Giants have signed Russell Wilson. Yeah, good thing we spent so much time talking about James.

Which then does that make us, we got a couple tweets about this and skeets. Does that make us fantasy football Eskimo brothers that we've all shared Russell Wilson and now Danny Hyphins gets sloppy thirds We're just NFL Eskimo brothers. This is unbelievable. Russell Wilson is not quarterbacked all three of our teams. This is weird. And it's been weirder and less exciting every single time he's gone somewhere else.

That's usually how it works. Yeah. Yeah. I It's fine. Where are you at? Where's your head at? Wait, wait. What was your initial reaction the moment you saw it and how do you feel now? And how has that changed? My initial reaction, honest to God, was... Just a heavy sigh. For better or force, that was it. My second thought was, I swear to God, my second thought was,

what are Russell Wilson and James Winston going to talk about all season? Like, I started imagining them talking and communicating every day. And I just think that's really funny. And frankly, it's a tragedy that the Giants are going to do hard knocks last season so we could see Sequin instead of this season so we could just see James and Russ talking every day. I feel like it's too bad. I feel like it wouldn't be that exciting though.

Yeah, just like a bunch of the two most the two spectrums of unearned confidence. Just like the entire gamut. And then Tommy DeVito? And then Tommy DeVito. The weird is just like the weird little brother. Dude, I was like, you know, glorious bastards?

Like I just, Russell is going to walk in and see DeVito and be like, bonjourno. Bonjourno. Yeah, yeah. But. But I don't know. I mean, D.K.

I mean, I know you gave the Craig what to expect when you're expecting with Russ and Pittsburgh. And like now I kind of want it for both of you. But I mean, I feel like I watch this guy suck against the Ravens in the entire December for the Pittsburgh. And I'm just like, I will talk myself into this, but I have very mixed emotions. I don't know. I think he, to me, he raises the floor.

Because like the floor for you or what you're used to is complete incompetent. And so he raises the floor to at least a somewhat competent quarterback play. Is he going to move the needle a lot on wins and losses? Maybe not like a ton. But I think that the offense is going to work more efficiently. This is glowing. This is glowing. I mean, what do you expect?

You signed a one-year deal. It is what it is. It's a bridge quarterback. They're hedging. They could still draft a quarterback if they really wanted. But that would be kind of weird considering they're paying two guys to be their quarterbacks this year. It's just a bridge year.

for the Giants. Like, they're not, they're not delusional that they can, you know, go out and, like, win a Super Bowl or whatever. It's a bridge to nowhere. Yeah. I suppose. Do you think, Hyvitz, do you think this means they will not draft Shador if he's there at three? So I definitely think the Giants signing Russell Wilson and James Winston together in the span

of a week means that the Giants either want Cam Ward out of Miami and should are standards out of Colorado and think they cannot get them or they think Cam Ward's going to the Titans and they don't want Shudor. And so I'm curious what you guys think, but I certainly think it means they think either they want one of those quarterbacks and they won't be there or they don't want the one that's coming to them. I think at this point, I think we can kind of say, not quite with a bullet, but we certainly think Cam Ward's going to go to the Titans number one.

And I think the Giants, you know, are either sizing it up and saying we'd rather have Jackson Dart out of Ole Miss in the second round than Shudor 3 or Shudor's not going to be there at all. So which one of those, to me, as a Giants fan selfishly, doesn't even matter. Like, I don't think they're taking quarterback third overall. I do think they still need a quarterback like a developmental guy. I mean, Russ is somehow 32,

which is actually younger than I thought he was, honestly. I feel like I haven't got that wrong when I googled it. No, he's 35. What am I talking about? He's 36. No, he's, yeah, he's 36. So yeah, James is 30. James is 31. Russ is 36.

And also, only James is signed next year. Even Tommy DeVito's just this year. So they still have just James signed next year. So I don't think it rules out than getting like a second round quarterback. DK, as I need to root for something, should the Giants, is this, are the Giants smarter to get like a Jackson Dart at an Ole Miss who we haven't talked about a ton

in like the early second round? Is that smarter than getting Shitter Sanders in the top of the first round? I think I like that value a little bit more. Yeah. I mean, honestly, I like Shitter Sanders more, but I think all things considered and what you're dropping him into

in terms of like the supporting cast, the foundation. that the Giants have right now. I don't think it like really sets him up for a ton of success. I think the better bet would be to draft DART in the second round. DART's got some interesting traits. I'm not quite on board with, you know, the first round talk with DART. I think there's a huge projection with him in terms of like, look, in his offense and

oldness, a lot of predetermined reads, a lot of one half of the field reads in terms of what they do in that offense. He's getting rid of the ball quickly. But I think he showed some really interesting traits in terms of his ability and encouraged to throw in the face of pressure. he's attacking down the field, show some accuracy on those passes over the middle of the field. You know, there's something there with him, but I think he's going to require a little bit of development. So it would probably suit him more to be taken in the second round, sit behind Russell Wilson, James Winston for at least a year, maybe two, see if you can develop him.

Do like that old school thing where you develop a quarterback over multiple years. You know what I mean? Like that would, I think that would suit the Giants more. That would suit Dart more. And, you know, in theory, you could buy a little time if you're, if you're, if you're, uh, Dayball and Shane because you got this guy that you're developing. To me, the Russell Wilson-Jemus thing is kind of like Shane and Dayball

covering their ass a little bit for this season because I think if they went in needing Shador and they have to draft him and he doesn't work, they're in the hot seat. And then if they don't draft Shador and they have a terrible quarterback situation and they win three games, they're probably out. So to me, it's like James and Russ

is just almost a way for them to buy themselves a season. maybe sneak out seven wins, buy themselves one more year to the following year when maybe they'll have another shot of the quarterback they like because it seems to me like they probably don't want Shador

or they don't want to have to take Shador at three. And so Russ and James provides you that leeway where you can kind of, you know, not spend, overspend on a guy that you're perhaps not super high on. And again, I do think there's a desperation going on here with the Giants

because I do think Daibel, the head coach, and the GM are probably fired if they don't have a way better season. And so on one hand, I'm like convinced to gaslighting myself. I'm like, it's better to not take a quarterback because that way, like, they're not forcing it just to save their jobs. But then I look at it like, yeah, it's not great that they're just like cycling through staff.

They're like Stafford, Miss and like they're going through all these guys and they're not getting them. But I do say at the end of the day, though, it's good. These are not big contracts. Jamis Winston signed for $4 million and then there's incentives that he actually plays. Russell Wilson, $10 million. $10.5, let's say Russ plays and James doesn't. That's less money than Washington's going to give Javon Kinlaw every year.

So it's like it's pretty cheap for quarterbacking and it is going to be better. I don't think this is a terrible move. I really don't. It is a smart signing and it's just a reminder of where they're at. But like this is the best thing. I think frankly, Craig, you guys, the Steelers are in a worse position now because the Steelers came out and said, we want to bring back either Fields or Russ. They were too cheap to bring Fields back.

I think they wanted Fields. Couldn't get them. They wouldn't pay $20 million a year like the Jets did. I don't think they wanted Russ, but yeah. Well, well, they wanted Fields. then they couldn't get russ, but now your options are, you are now desperate for Aaron Rogers, because let's be real, Steelers are in a pickle.

If Rogers goes to the Steelers, all right, cool. Like, I guess there's a weird thing going on there. But if he doesn't. If he doesn't, you are now, it is 2022 all over again for Pittsburgh, because now you're talking about either looking at a veteran like Joe Flacco, Carson Wentz, but it's 22 again because you have the same draft pick. You have 21 overall. And then you have the same situation where it's Mason Rudolph or either like

hoping Schroder falls to you or like taking it. Jackson Dart, like the second round quarterback, like you kind of reached on Kenny Pickett. And it's like a weird situation for Pittsburgh where like you, you actually like need Aaron Rogers now that the Steelers have waited this out so much. And you know what? I'm at the point now. I've thought about this a lot. I think I want the Steelers to trade for Kirk Cousins because I think the Steelers are kind of

fucked because I think Aaron Rogers has all the leverage. And like you said, we don't have any other option at quarterback. We can't get Cam Ward or Sador, most likely. and Rogers is flirting with Minnesota and driving up Pittsburgh's price and Pittsburgh has no other option. So you know what? Maybe we should go with Kirk Cousins

who's the same age as Russell Wilson and now will be two years removed from his Achilles' injury. And I know we have to trade for him rather than just sign him. But at this point, if Rogers is going to dick us around this much and drive up the price tag, maybe we don't need them. And we can go with Kirk Cousins and have like a similar level of competency at quarterback. And then we can take a Will Howard in the third round,

try to develop him, And then think about things next year. That's kind of where I'm at right now. I think that people listening to this episode who have quarterbacks are like, Jesus, this is so pathetic for all. It's grim. Like the friends we're talking about is so sad. Like,

I would take Aaron Rogers, but I'm getting so fed up with all of this that I think. He's not even on your team and you're sick of him. He's not even on your team. And I'm getting close. I'm getting close to being so fed up that I'm like, let's just trade for Kirk Cousins. Can we get him for a third rounder,

a fourth rounder? I'm down with that. I actually don't want. Every fan base across the NFL is that. Anyone but Rogers at this point. Dude, that's how I felt about Russ eventually. I was like, man, it could have been Rogers. Like, honestly, I was watching.

This is funny high fits because I want to bring something up because I think at some point, I can't remember exactly when it was towards the end of the season or maybe right after the season. We had this big argument of whether you would have, rather have Rogers or Russell Wilson. And you and Craig were both vehemently pro Rogers. I would still rather have Rogers than Russell. The conversation was basically if given one season deal, who was, and I told you the Steelers made the AFC championship game, and it was a competitive game.

Is it more likely that that was with Aaron Rogers and Russell Wilson? I feel still that Rogers, to me, is, like, more likely to get you there. He's also more likely to, like, destroy your team in the process. I mean, the Steelers lost their last five games in a row with Russell Wilson. You don't think Aaron Rogers playing 17 games at the Steelers yields a better season than Russell Wilson, DK? No, I think Russell Wilson's better. That's crazy to me, considering what the Steelers look like at the end of last year.

I think so there's always obviously a ton of variables. We don't have to have the Wilson versus Rogers discussion again, but I did take the liberty. This is like the worst first take segment of all time. It's like when you truly have nothing to talk about it's like, who's better, Russell Wilson or Aaron Rogers? You know what I want to compare though? Because I found this interesting and I wanted to compare it. So I did this while you guys were just talking. I compared to Russell Wilson season last year with the Steelers to Daniel Jones's season in 2022, where he has.

had the best season of his career. Sorry, hold on. Was it 20, arguments, but sure. No, but my point is not apples to apples. It's not an argument. It's, it's comparing the best quarterback season

Hyfitz has experienced since I've known him to what Russell Wilson did last year. And you could argue Russell Wilson was better last year in a lot of ways. Dale Jones basically outrushed Russell Wilson that season. Didn't he run for like 750 yards that year? He did. He did out of pure desperation. They were actually trying to get Daniel Jones killed.

If you look at the yards per attempt, Russell Wilson's better, passing yards per attempt, or per game better, passing touchdowns in five fewer games, Russell Wilson was better. They had the same amount of picks, pass a rating Russell Wilson was better. Last year, this is Russell Wilson's passing performance last year compared to the best season that Danny Hyphitz's experience as a giant said. I just wanted to point this out.

Russell Wilson is like not a huge downgrade compared to what you're used to, Hyphen, so I know, I know he's bad. I agree. He's better than like, I mean, dude, Tommy DeVita or like Drew Locke obviously up there with 07 Tom Brady and just saying the level of confidence is raised But that's the thing My brother and I

My brother's like this is great What are you talking about Russell Wilson James Winston We're tanking we're getting Arch Manning And I'm like no You're going to play themselves out of that Like they're going to be good enough That there's no chance they're going to get the first pick With the Russ James thing

Like I think they're absolutely not going to get a top three pick To be quarterback range Shane and Dayball will be gone if that happens And they are trying to prioritize their own jobs first But They're all, but Russ and James are also absolutely bad enough that the ceiling of this Giants team, the ceiling is a wild card. Like,

and losing, like, and I think that's like, frankly, the 10 out of 10 outcome is Russell Wilson James get the to the, to the first run of the playoffs and probably get their doors blown off. And like, that's the best outcome. So again, it's the best you can ask. It's a shitty team. Frankly, if this means that the Giants get Travis Hunter or Abdul Carter with the third pick, that's awesome to me. Like, if this, like, I'm, I love Travis Hunter.

I'm so fine with Abdul Carter. Like, there is hope. I think the jokes online about Russ and James are fun, but ultimately I think there's a chance that the Giants dodge a huge bullet here in taking one of these quarterbacks in a shitty quarterback class. And third overall. And that's the thing. If you have Jackson Dart sitting and then you have,

like let's say the Giants get Jackson Dart, which again, it's kind of silly. Who knows that that's going to happen? But the Giants get a quarterback and stick them on the bench. At least they have an idea of those kids developing. You could DK NFLDraft.30.com. You compared them to Andy Dalton, which you know what? at least, you know what,

now I like that because at least don't get my hopes up that much. To me, he's like a good, a good backup who could turn into a starter and it wouldn't be that surprising. And Andy Dalton's as good as everyone around him. If the people around Andy Dalton are Malik Neighbors and Travis Hunter, that's kind of sick. And you know what?

And that's where I'm at. And like, so I think my answer to how's the Russell Wilson thing? If the answer, and I think there's going to be a funny quarterback thing with the Giants, this is like a take that I'm wrong about, but like I'm going to be right about. And we should play. this back at week six.

The offensive players, Malik neighbors, and if they take Travis Hunter, are going to want to play with Jamis. But the Giants' defensive players are going to want Russ. Because the defensive players are going to be sick of getting stops and going back out there.

And then the offensive player is going to hate Russell Wilson by week eight. But neighbors and Travis Hunter is incredible. And the Giants also need a cornerback. So I will be thrilled if they get Travis Hunter. And I don't know. At least I get to watch football. I don't know.

It's also, wait. Did you guys see his new catchphrase? No. Russ? Yeah. Does he have one really? Or was it like the internet making up? Play the thing.

He did the video. What's up guys? Russell Wilson here, quarterback in New York Giants, man. I'm so excited to be here. And let's make sure we make this happen. Let's do whatever it takes.

Go big blue. Go big blue. That's fine. I had such mixed emotions watching that. And I was just like, he was like, go big blue. And my first thought was...

Do people say that? Is that what people say? Yeah, they call Giants Big Blue. Yeah. Okay. And I think I am upset that I was like, I'm going to get into that. two, I actually was like, it's so weird that after 15 years of making foot of Russell Wilson,

it was like, this guy's like my guy, like I root for this person now. And three, I was like, thank God it's not Rogers. Like actually watching Russ in that moment, I realized how much it would bother me if every time Rogers opened his mouth, it was like Giants quarterback Aaron Rogers said. And I'm like, I'll take Russ's weird cringness and psychopathic subway commercials and whatever. Like, sure. No, I'd still rather have Rogers over Russ right now. I think after having been through the Rust thing, I'd rather have Aaron Rogers.

But I also think I'd rather have Kirk Cousins over Aaron Rogers. That's the order of how I'm thinking right now. Bleak. This is just slow horses, but for quarterbacks. It's just all these guys that should have been put down. Can you have a catchphrase if you don't even know if you're going to be the starter? I'm not sure you can have a catchphrase. He's going to be the starter.

That's to be the starter. All right. Well, if all the offensive players on your team don't want you to be the starter, I feel like you can't have a catchphrase. But they don't know that. The offensive players hear the Russ cliches and are like, you know, he won a Super Bowl. This guy knows what he's doing. They're like, look what he did for D.K. Metcalf.

D.K. Metcalf had like, top 10 most touchdowns through two seasons. Like, you know, that they get all themselves hype. Then they go through a month. And then they're like, oh. Those three teams ago. But yeah. Yeah, but you're a receiver. You're irrational.

You're telling yourself shit. And then six weeks. Like, Daveers was like 15 when that happened. But yeah. I know he was 10. He was nine. Yeah, you probably didn't remember it. Other stuff that has, so anything else on Russ?

I mean, this is now going to be a thing forever, like just Russell. Congratulations. We all, now we all get to experience Russ. We've all passed Russ around. Yeah. And now he's landed in New York. We're just having a quarterback key party over here. Yeah, we are.

Are there any other players in the history of the league who have been on our three teams specifically? I'm sure there are. Oh, like immaculate credit. Yeah, we should figure that out. Wow, that's a good question. Guys, you've been on all three? Like, what are the,

odds of this. I'm sure there's someone on all three of our teams. The Giants and Seahawks have swapped a lot of players recently, but yeah, you know, I don't know. We'll look into it. Yeah. That's a good, that's a good tribute again. The other thing that happened, Stefan Diggs signed with the Patriots for, I mean, it's reported as three years, $69 million. It's a one-year deal for like $26 million, which is still a lot. That's a lot. Isn't that more than he signed for last year with Houston? Wasn't it like a one-year 2020 with Houston? That was bizarre. I've never seen anything like what they did where they gave it. a second round for him and then remove the years on his contract, which I feel like I've just

never seen, like, the whole point of giving up a high pick is to have the years on the deal. The Texans were like, we want the flexibility to get rid of this guy that we just gave a future second for, which I didn't understand. I think it was, I don't know. But on one hand, I'm like, there's a lot of money. On the other hand, I'm like, honestly, it's Monopoly money. It honestly is kind of like, I don't know, I wish I had a better analogy, but it's kind of like you put money in a David Buster's card and you're leaving.

Like, the Patriots have so much cap money. They have to spend some of it. David Buster's card? You put money on a Dave and Buster's card? I don't know. I think so. Yeah, you have to load it. And then you use the card and the points. I don't know. The point is that the cap space for the Patriots is not going to expire,

but you do have to use it over a period of time. There's like a salary cap floor. Yeah, we say the ceiling, but it's also a floor and they do have to hit the spending at some point. So like at some point, they do need something like this. Andrew Callahan, Boston Harold made a great point. At the end of the day, they need a receiver to beat net coverage. And like they just, they have been one of the worst teams at beating men coverage. And you don't want teams to be able to play beat man coverage against you.

It means their guys are just better than yours in a league where everything's supposed to be. But offense beating defense. And defense is kicking the shit out of you. So like you need someone to do it. Diggs is there. Beggers can't be choosers. I think they've tried to sign a whole bunch of other guys. They've been connected on, you know, T. Higgins, Brandon Ayuk.

There's been a whole bunch of like trade rumors over the last couple years. They just haven't been able to close any deals. So, you know, they, get Stefan Diggs. He was pretty good last year before he got her. He's coming off on an ACL tear now. So he's 31. If you like the trade, or sorry, if you like the signing, he's 31. He's not like it. He'll be 32 in November, I believe. His knee is really 32 years old. Craig, where are you out on this trade? Do you think that Diggs is 31 or do you think Diggs is turning 32? I don't think you can be above the age of 30 coming off an ACL tear and not be the higher end of your age. Like, you have to be 30 to coming off a knee injury like that. I don't know. This is kind of a desperation move. I guess the money's fine. This doesn't inspire a ton of confidence.

I mean, I think Diggs is in a different point of his career. They needed somebody and they got somebody. To your point, Craig, they needed somebody. Have you taken a minute to look at the receiver's core for New England? It's like decorated an early fuck. What did you just say? Oh, it's just a, that's a line from Van Wilder. It's like, wow, some pad you got here, decorated an early fuck. I just think it's hilarious. But it's just like, I don't even know what that means. There's no theme here. It's just a bunch of fucking random guys.

Kishon Booty, DeMario Douglas, Matt Collins, Kendrick Bourne. Dude, these guys are all also. I have to, here's the thing. Jalen Polk, who was maybe the worst rookie of all time. These are all, like, they're all kind of shitheads. Like, I'm being honest. Like, these are the Bill Simmons rule of like, you don't want, you can have a crazy guy on your team, but you don't want multiple because they hang out together.

Half this receiver room is bonkers. Matt Collins doesn't wear shoes and eats only foods they can eat with his hands. He's in a good way, though. Yeah, but he's the most mature of them all. I mean, Jalen Polk, I kind of think that he, I mean, his issues were like Gerard Mayo head coach related, not to it. But he had 12 catches. His confidence was shot. He's like lost all his confidence.

He had four catches last year. And like that's the Giants Hard Knocks board among other things that leaked was that they had like four guys of the character concerns in that little color. And one of them is Javon Baker. There's like weird stuff going on there. Now you're adding the irony is they were going to pay Chris God with this money. They were going to pay him too much money. to get Chris Godwin, who is also dealing with an knee or like an ankle injury, but he's young, a culture guy, blocks universally beloved.

Younger. I think he's like 29. Oh, five years younger. No, I don't think so. I think he's like two and a half years younger. So what are we talking about here? I think Dave is 31 and Chris Godwin is 29. I think they're like two and a half years apart.

I'm just getting all these numbers wrong today. Five years younger. What are you talking about? We can stretch the time. I'm totally wrong. You thought Russell was 31? What's happening? I've been 30 for 11 days or whatever, nine days.

Yeah, dude, Chris Godwin's 29 and Stefan Diggs is 31. I don't know what the fuck I'm doing. I don't know. But like, I don't know. But God was beloved in the locker room and like the nicest guy in the world and digs obviously a bit of a hot head. Well, that's the funny thing. Him to date their sister.

Let's be clear. Keep your sisters away from him. Well, that was the video they did in the Vikings. Yeah, there's the Vikings. Yeah. They interviewed the players. If you don't know, yeah, basically they asked. a bunch of players if you, who you're not, who is the last player they want to date their

their sister? And everyone was like, oh, there was one answer. Like, no one said anyone else. Literally no one said anyone else. Don't you think the stealer? I know Bill was making, I know Bill was making fun of the DK Metcalf contract. But now when he was tweeting like, I'm trying to stay positive after this dig signing, now I'm kind of looking back and being like, maybe the Patriots should have given

DK Metcalf five years, $150 million. I mean, now the tuxed seem kind of fucked up. And again, to put that in context, whatever. Russell Wilson and James Winston combined are like $15 million. 16. I can't really do math today, clearly. But Diggs is getting 26. So Diggs is getting 10 million more than James and Russ together, make of that what you will.

I do think it's funny that you have this like very underperforming, very immature receiver room, and you were going to get Chris Godwin as their role model. And now the role model is Stefan Diggs, which I just think is kind of just funny to me. So we'll see. But again, the thing, the way Craig and I talk ourselves in these quarterbacks, The Patriots are talking themselves into,

can it be 65% of what he was for Josh Allen when he basically was able to track all these deep balls for Josh Allen? That's kind of similar-ish problem with Pats have is Drake May is playing better quarterback than the receivers are capable of delivering off to the offensive line's really bad. But basically, if Diggs is open, Drake May could get him the ball. Can he be open? And the worst thing is the late $26 million on fire this year? It's sure.

Like the Pats are not that different than the Giants right now. Like the team sucks, but you just throw stuff at Drake May and just see what. it sticks. I think you need to help him develop. And so I get it, even though it's probably weird. I just think a team that can't draft wide receivers every year they fuck up drafting wide receivers, maybe go get a guy in his prime, overpay him a little bit, D.K. McHavis what I'm talking about, and let him be the guy for the next five years, be with Drake May. Instead, you're doing a one-year gamble on a 32-year-old Stefan Diggs coming off on ACL. You have no other receivers and you suck at drafting them. I know they have like a new regime in now, but I don't agree about the

Pat's off. I worry about the Pat's offense. to be honest. I really don't know who's even like, who are they going to give the ball to? I agree that in retrospect, you'd be like why I would probably just do that trade, wouldn't you? Like, just do that deal with the K. McCaff. So, and also, it's just funny to be how Mike Vrable's going to handle this. I've called him like Parcells and Mike Tomlin. And I think that this is the real Mike. Let's see how Vrable handles all these personalities. So, um, feel bad for Drake May. I don't. He deserves better. Anything else on Russ or digs or anything? No, we got a fun season coming up. Oh, my God. I can't. This is,

I think this is the weirdest season we're coming into. This is Aaron Rogers, Russell Wilson and the Giants. It's like, it's going to be a weird year. Sam Darnold on the Seahawks. I want to get into the most divisive players in the NFL draft because I think one of the most interesting parts of the draft is how people can like just watch the same player, the same plays, the same tape and have like completely different opinions. And I think that it gets to like how it actually gets, if you start pulling on the thread,

it gets to like, how do you watch football? What do you want in a player? What is this person supposed? How are people supposed to play? What matters to you? It's kind of like, you actually kind of get big stuff but then also sometimes people are like,

I don't like the way it gets up, not very athletic. So it's just funny. It's just funny to see what sticks in people's minds. X as D.K.S. would say. So we're going to go through people.

I want to start with Ted McMill and the receiver at Arizona who, I don't want to, I hate the term falling. I don't think guys necessarily quote unquote, risers fall in the process as much as public perception

catches up to what teams were thinking. The vicissitudes of draft season. You can't, for two months, so you're not going to be able to maintain whatever reputation you're having. You're going to go up and down. You're going to have an entire Hollywood career over the course of two months before the draft.

What is that? I'm going to Google that until I learn it. Natural change or mutation visible in nature. Nice. Good word. It's a good one. It's a great word. But yeah, Ted McMillan right now, he's in an ebb right now.

And then by the time the draft is around, perhaps he'll be back in a flow. D.K. My understanding of Tet was basically, I don't want to call anyone, Mike Evans, like certain players or two. but basically the idea that there's, he's an incredible contested catch receiver, the volleyball thing, like he can high point of football, and there's a few different ways to get,

quote unquote, get open in the NFL, and you can just have the jitteriness at the, a cadarist Tony, if you will, the jitteriness at the snap where you're just open. Right. The technicality or just, like, really polished stuff, like Devante Adams,

where you're basically like an NBA player and you're like incredibly thoughtful movement where you're just nowhere your spot is and you're going to set people up, or just like really precise route running. And then there's just like the art of like late breaking hands, fighting speed and late breaking hand fighting like Mike Evans where he's like faster than you think at that size or just like covered covered up he's open and I feel like

is the question with Ted McMillan basically we don't know about the speed so we're just kind of and we don't know about the polished route running so we're kind of banking on him magically getting open in a world where contested catches is really enough to be like a first round pick so yeah I think the the knock on him one of the big knocks on him is like I think the lack of explosiveness the lack of separation early on in his route. You know, he's a big tall athlete. So, you know, he's not necessarily going to be able to shake these really jittery, fast, explosive corners that are running four threes.

You know what I mean? Like, that's just not necessarily a match where he's going to win. But I think he has, and I remember hearing Michael Irvin talk about this like 10 years ago and it's really stuck in my brain ever since that it doesn't matter. I mean, it does matter if you separate early. But the most important thing to do is separate late in your route. Separate when the ball is. getting there. That's what Mike Evans does. That's what some of the great receivers do.

That's what T. Higgins does. And I see him as like a, I see T. McMillan as a T. Higgins style receiver where, you know, again, he's not like a big time separator, but he separates the late. He knows how to use his body to generate just a little bit of space so he can catch the football. He can box out a opposing corner, keep him off the ball. He's really tough. He's really strong. And I want to be clear. I don't think Ted McMillan is winning just a bunch of contested catches because I don't think that's necessarily a thing you want to bank on going from college to the pros. Oh, he wins a bunch of contested catches. That's one of those things where it's like highly volatile year in and you're out.

What I think he does well is separate late in his routes where he just does enough to get open, whether it's like a little shoulder shimmy to like create separation, little push off, whatever, nuanced little things where he's just able to, you know, like I said, create that space, whether it's by the sideline or whether it's coming back to the football where he, has the ability to do that pretty consistently. So I'm not too worried about his ability to separate. I think he's big, tough, fluid athlete, just a natural past catcher, natural catcher of the football, which is important.

He doesn't look like he's fighting the ball. He doesn't look like, you know, it's a challenge for him to catch balls that are kind of like coming in laser fast or whatever. He just has that natural ability to get the ball and from different angles. He can go low to scoop it up. He can go high to pluck it out of the air. So I don't know. I'm just confident in what he can do.

and the pros, I think his game translates. I think the, and the question is, not to ramble, but is he like a true number one? I think some people, maybe that's why they're not having him in like a, like a top 10 type discussion where is he going to be a true number one receiver in the mold of like a Jamar Chase or whatever? Maybe not, but is he going to be a really good number two at the very least? I think so.

And the question is, where do you take a guy like that? Where would you take a T. Higgins? Where would you take, you know, Devante Smith went a couple years ago in the top 10. and he's like a really good number two. It's so funny that like everybody using this, oh, he's T. Higgins. Where do you take a wide receiver too? T. Higgins is a wide receiver one. T. Higgins would be the best receiver on like 15 NFL teams.

Devante Smith would also be the number one wide receiver on many teams in the NFL. I think there's like it's a vague term too like a number one receiver. Because he's really an outside receiver. Yeah. Which I think he can do. Somebody's saying he's a wide receiver to suggest that he wouldn't be a top 32 receiver in the NFL, which I think is kind of insane for. his production. I don't know.

To me, this guy is big, he's a go-to guy, and he's incredibly agile for his size. And I think people are starting to talk themselves in circles, and that's why he's falling a little bit. But I don't think it's a knock on a guy that he's not going to be Jamar Chase. There's like three of those in the NFL. Like if he's going to be

T. Higgins, which is one of the best, probably 10 to 15 wide receivers in the league, and that's his ceiling, that's still a pretty good ceiling to me. So I agree with you completely. For the record, I agree completely with what you just said, Craig. I just think the discussion right now is it's what it is he does he have that elite potential to be a quote unquote wide receiver one i don't know i just love that people are picking t higgins and it's like because t higgins is the

only guy who's technically a wide receiver too because of his roster the team he's on but in reality t higgins is a fucking top 12 receiver in the league probably yeah or maybe not top 12 probably top 20 i don't know the next guy here i think is kind of almost like the opposite here of shimar stewart who's the past rush out of texas a&m and this guy's different because i think insane athlete who hasn't done a ton with it, right, D.K? Yeah, and I remember early, early on in the process, probably like in October or November, I remember I texted you. I was like, this Shamar Stewart guy.

Like, he might end up being one of my guys. I kind of have backed off on that a little bit because I think his, the hype has gone through the roof and people are talking about him as a potential top 10 pick. You know, there was a moment there where people were comparing him to Trouin Walker, who went overall number one based on traits, based on physical talent, based on potential trajectory, all that stuff. I don't think Shmar Stewart's going to go number one, but I think you could make the argument.

He's an even better athlete. He's got better overall traits than Trayvon Walker did coming out of Georgia. And so, I mean, 6-5, 267 pounds, 34-inch arms. He ran a 45940, 40-inch vert, 40-inch vert at 260 pounds, 10-foot 11 broad jump. So he's explosive lower body. According to the Rasker, who math bomb, check it out on Twitter.

He does these really great, basically comparisons of different athleticism using all kinds of different variables. So it's relative athletic scores. So it's basically telling, they do all the combine tests. Weight, height, size, yeah. Yeah. How athletic is this guy based on the measles of everyone we've measured in last 40 years? Shemar Stewart at defensive end is the number one ranked athlete from 1987 to 2025.

He is the best athlete at defensive end according to the RAS score. I literally, I'm sorry. We have to read that again. Who are the other guys on the list? D.K. pull that out. I don't know off the top of my head, but it's probably like Miles Garrett, you know, some of these great, like, you know, some of the great all-time pass rushers. I'm sure there are misses in that category because, like, being a great athlete does not mean you're going to be a great pass rush. Yeah, right.

You get a little like Judevian clowny type. But again, yeah. 1,829 defensive ends at the combine since 1987. And Shamar Stewart's relative athletic score is first, which is both mouthwatering and bonkers and all. also, so why did he had one and a half sacks last year? Yeah, one and a half sacks in each. What is that possible? There's just one problem.

I think they moved the decimal incorrect. It was it 15? It's like bowl bowl where you're just looking at it. You must be great. So this is what actually I think makes him such a conundrum and why I've backed off on him being kind of like one of my guys. Because my initial thing was like, there's just one problem happy. Is that the problem with Shemar Stewart?

He's not any good. No. It's the Billy B. It's like we're not selling jeans. I don't think he's bad for the record. To be clear, I don't think he's bad. I think he has a ton of potential. I think he shows that he's a talented pass rusher.

He's disruptive. His production as a sack creator has been abysmal, and that's really worrisome. However, you know, 30 pressures in 2024, according to PFF, which is solid, 16% win rate in true pass rush situations, which is solid. It's not like he's really bad at rushing the passer. It's just like, is he getting double more? Are they like cheating the running back over to him more? Like, what's going on? I mean, I think there's a little bit of that.

I think mainly it's just he needs to develop more counters. He relies a little bit too much on his power, converting speed to power. I think he just needs to get more, you know, more moves in his repertoire and basically be able to like string a couple different moves together and basically just be a more nuanced pass rush. I have a better plan because right now he's more of just like a raw super athlete who relies on that athleticism and speed. And I think he just has to, you know, basically get developed. And I think there's definitely a world in which he ends up being a top tier pass rusher in the NFL like two or three years down the line. But like a lot of past rushers, this is just a lot of volatility here.

I think you could end up down the line looking at him as a bust because he, you know, just never developed those skills. He just never really got it or whatever. But again, the athletic traits are unbelievable, like unbelievable. And so I'm willing to bet. I would bet on this guy. Like I would be excited to get him for my team. but I think there is a lot of potential volatility and variance here.

These athletes like Shamar Stewart are the kind of guys that will be in the NFL for 10 years. And the question is if it's for one team or five teams, because every team's going to take a lottery ticket, a guys who are this athletic. I think this is something where I think something we probably don't talk about enough about why things matter is the workplace politics, which I don't want to overstate, but it's worth talking about because I think all these guys who are talking about the divisiveness,

for the most part, are really athletic people who didn't do shit, or people who did a lot of shit that aren't that athletic. And like, there is some workplace politics at a foot because in a perfect workplace, you have, you know, it's not like the Carolina Panthers have taken Ted McMillan. You have the general manager who has a different kind of back. You have the coaching staff. You have the scouts. And then you have an area above it all.

And there's all these different wings of football. And so the coaches think the scouts don't get football or how to coach players. The scouts think the coaches don't know how to identify talent. And so there's always, there are some teams that are, the Rams are incredibly integrated between the scouts and the coaches and McVeigh and Lestead, great relationship. Like they really understand the holistic process. There are other places like I will just pick one that is over is Jacksonville, Trent Balke, where sometimes the positive way to view it is Trent Balke was obsessed with crazy athletes

with huge wingspans. A more cynical way to look at it, which I'm not saying this is what's in, is hearts of hearts, but there's a cynical way to look at it is if the front office delivers to the coaching staff, the, let me see here, most athletic defensive end in 40 years, and he sucks, is that really my fault or do they not know how to coach him? And so, right, I am not saying that's always what happens. The inverse, however, is how these conversations go, which is I think the reason guys like this don't fall, like is Shamar's student, the athletes don't fall, but the Tet McMillans do is the inverse. If Ted McMillan gives draft

high and is awesome, that's cool. But if Ted McMillan sucks, the front office has to explain why a guy that wasn't that athletic goes, because the coaching staff at some point is like, look, doesn't it speed? We knew it coming in. And it's like, and so I think that is the thing

that's a dynamic here where sometimes the guys who don't have the, like at some point if Will Campbell just can't play left tackle, the offensive line coach isn't going to walk in and be like, he totally could, but I failed him. It's not how life goes. It's easier to explain, when the guy was a freak athlete. It's an easier excuse to make.

Yes. It's his fault. It's the player's fault because he doesn't want it bad enough or he can't learn or it's the coach's fault. But if the issue is a physical limitation, that's the cloud hovering over it all. And so I'm not trying to place blame on coaches or GMs. I'm just there's a, this happens in every workplace. There's natural things that happen.

And so there is frankly a cover your ass fear that clouds over the guys that don't have a measurable to point to be like, well, this will save my ass if this goes wrong. Whereas the athleticism is like the sex appeal of the athleticism is cool. It's also a shield. And I think that's why teams talk themselves in every sport into the what could be. Yeah, there's an old like scouting maxim. I think I've heard Dane Bruegler mentioned this a bunch of times. It's not like scouts have this maxim.

It's like scout traits not production. I think from the scouting point of view, it makes sense because you're trying to find the truly elite blue chip players that will turn. turn into franchise cornerstones. And in a lot of cases, I think coaches are like, give me a guy who can play right now because I don't know how long I'm going to be coaching this freaking team. You know what I mean?

I need to fill spots in my starting lineup. I'm not worried about what's going to happen three years from now. So there is a disconnect, I think, in a lot of cases, not all cases, but I think Stewart is basically the best example of just the difficulty in scouting, the difficulty in in projecting what traits are going to do at the next level. And you have it's like you're laying out how there's differences in terms of like agenda from the coaches, the scouts, the GM, the owner. This is why there's so many variables in draft scouting.

It's so impossible to figure out what these guys are going to do in the pros. There's just so many variables. There's too many variables to account for. And so I think a lot of times like from a scouting point of view, scouting the traits and looking at those traits is like, the least, it's the one thing you know you can do is basically like, this guy is an elite athlete, we can coach him up. He has the traits to do this.

And that's where the position matters. Defensive end, and again, Schmar Stewart, it's not that all great athletes become defensive ends, but almost all great defensive ends are like 90th plus percentile defensive. I'd be willing to risk a draft pick on a freak athlete at defensive end specifically as an edge rush or specifically more than any other position, I feel like, right? Freak athlete at wide receiver doesn't always translate, but if I was going to make a bet on a freak athlete

at any position, it would be as an edge rusher. Adafioe, who the Ravens took in the first round, back of the first round a couple years ago, came into Penn State. He had no sacks. First round pass rusher. But he's a crazy athlete. And he's solid.

The other one I would point out last year we were talking about this time of year, chop Robinson, who I think I said at the time, like he has the most explosive first step of any pass rusher I've seen since I've been doing this. I think he is so twitchy. that doesn't always translate, but I think it has for chop Robinson. Like that is an important and important variable to have as a pass rusher.

It's just the ability to get off the ball quickly. To your point, Michael Parsons had five sacks. There's six and a half sacks and two seasons at Penn State. Then he had 13 as a rookie in Dallas. I know, it's wild. And those guys, those outliers. And I mean, you could point to Josh Allen being, you know, bet on traits versus production is another great example.

But there's the NFL is littered with guys who, developed because they have this elite athleticism and then they get some coaching. They get, you know, they're doing this full time and they blossom into this all-time great player. There's also a ton of examples of guys who are really good athletes who just aren't very good at football. Or maybe they didn't work hard enough for it.

Maybe they land in a bad situation where they're not getting great coaches or whatever. But, I mean, this is the allure of these elite athletes. So I think that what we're saying is pretty obvious. On that note, I want to go to the T-Rex Club because the other kind of measurable that matters to teams is the arm length at certain positions. Yeah. And so you look at offensive tackle where, again, you just want to do like a cartoon and just,

you know, Tom and Jerry just holding the dog holding the cat running at him or whatever. Like you need that. And then also defensive tackles to DK. Two guys that are people are concerned. One, Will Campbell, LSU, the offensive tackle. And then some people like, well, his arms are 29 inches and we really prefer like 34. So he's a guard. And then also Mason Graham.

But we can start with Will Campbell where it's, is it how, I guess, first of all, explain to people, how much of it is just an ick? kind of like he's not six feet tall, his arms, don't start with 30, versus how much does it matter? I mean, I think it does matter because, again, we just got done talking about how the best athletes in the NFL, arguably some of the best athletes in the world, are playing pass rusher.

So having that little bit of extra length where you can reach out, run guys by the pocket, you know. You're not even necessarily blocking them. You're just like getting in their way long enough. You're hurting. Right. Like you're getting in their way long enough for them to just not be able to get a sack. Speed bump.

So the length certainly matters. I'm not saying length. Corral. The length does matter. But I think what we're talking about. No, I will. I refuse to believe. What we're talking about is, is, I think the question is like, what's the difference between.

So he was, Will Campbell, LSU tackle, measured in at his arm length was 32 and 5 eighths inches at the combine. It was 33 inches at his pro day. Do you know the difference in three eighths of an inch? Like that is insanely. I do. Who among us does not know the difference in three-eighths of an inch? I think we all, I don't know. And intimately familiar with three-eighths of an inch, yeah.

So I think you just have to look at, you know, what does he do to make up for that quote-unquote lack of length that he has in his arm length where, you know, ideally he's going to be 34 inches long arms because it just helps you. It's like a game of inches. It really does help you. Christ, can I say anything without you left? You've seen those TikToks where it's like women watching, like women like being around their husbands watching football.

And it's just Troy Akeme, like, wow, really. Kaylee that guy's slams. It's into the hole there. Yeah, it's just like, and she's just like, it's like a super cut of Troy Akeman. She's just like, what are you watching? That exploded in his face. Yeah.

Oh, that really blew up right out. It just over and over again. And then every time we were the draft, I'm sorry to be a 12 year old boy, but like every, the way we talk about defensive ends is just like, all right, love the, like the Melcove. Love the get off.

And then it's just to penetrate. bend finish and I'm just like you know it's it me and I'm sorry I know it's DK I know I'm putting you on the spot here but like how many good tackles in the NFL are there currently that have 32 inch arms I mean I think it's definitely oh I actually can pull this up there are a few outliers who are really good uh Jason Peters I think was one of them like famously didn't have very long arms but he was a great left tackle for a long time um there are guys that where they've been quote unquote outliers and they have short arms and been really, really elite tackles.

So what is the ideal arm length? So he's 32 and 5 eighths. What is the ideal arm length? Like 34 inches plus. So we're talking about, and I get 1.3 inches. Yeah. If his arms were one inch longer, essentially.

Yes. That is, I mean, could he just wear gloves with some batting on the ends of them? Oh, like, yeah. Just like, yeah.

We need to go and Philadelphia. Yeah, just get the big hands. Yeah, it's like stuff your gloves, your gloves a little bit. Put some, like, tissue at the end of the fingertips in your gloves. Now you've got 36 inch here. He's stuffing. He's stuffing his gloves.

Yeah. I mean, that's, I think that is a good example of kind of the absurdity of all this, I feel like. Is he good, is he a good blocker or not? Well, I will say when you look at it. Can he move? I know that it's, and it sounds, I go back and forth all the time where I'm like, what is the data show? Well, I'll read it right now, but I will just say the one, the one thing I want to frame this data with with the context of two or three inches to, DK's point, these are the best athletes of the world.

The difference between failure and success is like a third of a second. Like if you're blocked a guy for two and a half seconds, like give or take you one and two point one is a failure. So that's the context. It's like the gap, what is that? That's the gap of a fastball or whatever. Yeah. I don't know. So if you just look first, just this is like every starting left tackle, every starting right tackle in the NFL.

One, overwhelming how many of them are just first rounders. Just overwhelming starting there. And it's, I mean, I'm just literally, I mean, arm length of these guys, 36, 33, 35, 35, 35, 35, 36, 34, 34, 34, 34, 34, 30, 35, 35, 36, 34, 34, 35, 35, 35, 35, 35, 35, 35 inches on this list. It's Bernard Reimann for the Colts. I guess, no, then Jaylon Moore for the Chiefs, who's a backup tackle that they just inserted. Ray Sean Slater for the Chargers, and then at right tackle, it's a little more. Slater was another great one. Slater was a good one.

A good example because I think people were talking about him. In a very similar light to Will Campbell this year, when he was coming out, people were like he's a guard because he doesn't have enough length. And he's one of the best left tackles in the NFL. But I will say, the other ones, so Penet Sewell is 33 inches. Luke Gotticke's 32, but the point being, so what's his official measurement here? Will Campbell is 29. No, it was 33.

Oh, sorry. I can't get one number right today. Yeah, 32. five-eighths. So I'm probably going to... Half an inch within Penn A-Dill. So how good of a prospect is he? Because basically what Hyvitz's list tells me is like, all right, there are like five tackles in the

NFL right now starting with 33-inch arms, which is basically what Will Campbell has. But it basically comes down to, all right, is he worthy? Like, if he had 34-inch arms, do you think he would easily be a top five pick in the NFL? Like, from a talent perspective, is he that good? Yes. Which is why I think

this is just kind of silly. I have a question, though, this is is just a generic question about what we just talked about. And maybe I'm messing up what survivorship bias is. But isn't like the fact that everyone's so worried about 34 inches being at tackle going to skew the numbers so everyone at tackle has 34 inches? Yes. I think that's sample selection. That's kind of, yeah. I fucked up the term. But like, the fact that teams are so fucking worried about 34 inch number. I think, yeah, this is a big part of the reason. There's only guys who are 34 inches and plus an arm length.

Yeah. But that being said, I'm not saying it doesn't matter. I think it does matter. But it's just how much does it matter? No, you're right. On one level, it's kind of like polling people in politics you're going to vote for on the phone in 2025 where you're like people answering that are like inherently more into politics than they were 40 years ago.

The other thing, though, the other person I want to, well, the last thing I want to say about Will Campbell. So shout out to Steve Munch on Todd's show, made a good point that basically one of the reason you take a tackle so high. It's not just the ceiling of the player. It's one of high floor. Like Trevor Lawrence, I think is a good example. If you, whatever you think of Trevor Lawrence, this is kind of his floor, which is still an average quarterback.

Like, maybe he's not Peyton Manning, but like Trevor Lawrence is still going to be an NFL starter for like another half decade. So that's like part of it. And I think Mentor's making the point that if Will Campbell can't play tackle, is he going to be able to play guard? Because he's so big, six, six. And it's like, yeah, some teams are able to get a

Mackay Beckton, 6, 7 down to guard. There's a lot of cards. two or six, I feel like. It's true, but it's just, it's not quite as simple as people are making it. And I think that is what could scare teams off if their teams get scared off is like, it's not as easy as it sounds to play. It's kind of like what Solek said last year of just, oh, yeah, switch to left tackle. It's like, okay, can you wipe your ass with your other hand? It's like, it's not quite as easy for everyone as you think as it sounds.

I understand that. But we'll see. I personally believe. And look, I think everybody sees everything a little differently. And that's why we're having this discussion. I personally think Campbell has a high floor. And so I would be willing to take him that high. But I think that the question is,

and the fact that there is uncertainty is why we're having this discussion. It's why it's such a hot topic is, you know, if he's, are you going to take a guard in the top five? Yeah. Maybe not. But ultimately, to wrap that up,

I think he's a really good blocker. I think he can block guys. He moves his feet really well. He has a good balance. He's really smart. He's battle tested. He's played a bunch of games. I don't know.

I like his, I liked his pro day interview and he was like, nobody had an issue with me when they didn't know how long my arms were. why did they have a issue now. That, and that I think is ultimately the point of it all is like, did you notice it? Right.

No? Cool. Speaking of which, someone who it was noticed, Luther Burden, the receiver at him is, sorry, Luther Burden of the third, which we'll see, like, nominive determinism. We'll see if he's a problem or like a problem. But, D.K. Right. This is a guy. He's a problem.

Problem. Or Luther Burden is a problem. He's a problem. It's going to be one of the other. So, D.K. Yeah. Burden was. Like very high receiver coming to the year.

Quarterback at Missouri, Brady Cook, is just like hurt all year. And it's like he has a disappointing season. Now we have is burden. We were like, oh, top 15 pick. Now it's like, uh, second round.

Like what is going on with Luther Bird? Yeah, I think there's number one, there's a couple of questions with Bert. Number one, is he an outside guy? Because right now, basically he plays mainly in the slot.

He was like 80% in the slot last year. And is he a gadget guy? or in the gadget spectrum, you know what I mean, where you're kind of having to design plays to get him the football in space. And I come to him to DJ Moore, which I think is a huge compliment. I think D.G. Moore is a very good player. But I think that's sort of like the category of receiver that he's in where he's not necessarily like a guy who's going to, you're going to draw up a play where he just goes and gets open and, you know, gets a first down. It's like you're getting the ball into his hands so you can utilize his athleticism.

you can utilize his explosiveness and pick up yards after the catch. He's been one of the best yards after the catch guys over the last couple years. I don't think he's particularly strong at the catch point. He's really inconsistent when it comes to the ball is in the air and he has to beat the corner. Well, that's such an heck. I know. I don't like when the balls in the air, he has to beat the cornerback. Well, I'm just saying, like, I had this problem with like Xavier Worthy.

Sometimes it just isn't an issue that in the NFL because you're so fast or whatever, you're so explosive, you can just get open. but like Xavier Worthy was not very strong at the catch point and it makes sense he's like 170 pounds but like does that matter enough to drop him down boards? I don't know. I just think it's like he's he's enough in the gadgety type category that I think some people have him much, much lower than I do. I've got him I think 25 or something like that, 26. I still think he's a good player but I think there are question marks over is like what is his ceiling as a and again this is the same thing we're talking about with Ted's like is he a number one

or is he like a good number two who you can get the ball to in space? Are the worries about him mainly on the field or off the field? I mean, for me, I am only talking about what's happening on the field. I don't know about what's going off. But I'm saying is the reason why he's falling, do you think that is primarily because of just like the more people scout him, the more they start to worry about him as a prospect on the field? Or is it there's a lot more conversations going on about like his character

and his commitment to the game and his maturity, stuff like that? I think there could be some of that. I'm not privy to it at the moment, but like that's something that we see at this time of year two where, you know, guys fall and it comes out later. It's like, oh, teams had this guy as a red flag or whatever. And I think G.G. Moore is such a good comp for multiple reasons. And one, I think you're ready to gadget being a spectrum

because gadget, as a spec, the highest end of gadget is like a Tyree kill. Where you're like, yeah, it's so good. Totally. We kind of got to get the ball on him his hands all the time. And we'll do weird. And like the Bears did that with DJ Moore to the beginning of the season. But they're a real receiver too, like DJ Moore. And the other reason I think they're DJ Moore,

works is that like just the parade of like the bad quarterback play and again i think you know so brady cookie played this ankle injury all year and i think that like it was it limited the offense it's just a weird offense and i think that he was frustrated but the gadget's the perfect word because the derogatory of gadget gadget gadget's a perfect word for the concept because it's like kitchen gadgets where sometimes you get one and it's exciting and then you're like i gotta make shit up just to use like duane escridge with the ceilocks we're just i'm just gonna have like i'm gonna make this whole dish just to use like this fucking it's like that avocado one that i still don't even know how to use I'm like,

I hate that one. Oh, cool. My mom got me this avocado peeler and then you're going to use it. I'm like, why would I use this over a knife? This is insane. I still don't even really understand how it works. The thing scares me.

Dude, I'm actually great at cutting avocados. Knock a wood. I don't want to cut an avocado. I go around. I don't do whatever they go and else. I quarter it. And then if it's perfectly ripe,

then you can actually just peel the thing right off the back, off a quarter. You quarter it while the pit's still there? No, no. So my process is start at the top. Keep your hands around soon and slice it. Bissect it around the equator like severance. Split it.

Knife. Hand behind my back so I never forget to cut it. Get the pit. Get it out and just took the pit over there. Then I slice and half, slice and half. And then you can just peel the thing off the back. And if it's perfectly right, that thing just comes off. Can I tell you how it's, I do it the exact same way.

Let's go. Let's go. Let's just said is exactly how I do it. Yes. Cut it in half. Stab the pit, take the pit out. Cut it in quarters, peel off the skin. Yes.

Yeah. That's the right. way. That's the move. And I don't need a fucking gadget to do it just like I don't need like DeWain Eskridge or someone to like. Right. So D.K. Is Luther Burden a ripe avocado or not? Yeah. Is he an avocado peeler? I don't even know

how to answer that. Like if Ty is a chef's knife, if DJ Moore is like a chef's knife and then like the bad version is an avocado peeler, what kind of kitchen gadget is Luther Burden? Yeah. No idea. Okay. He takes a day for lunch every day.

I'm asking what kind of kitchen gadget? I know. What's the best kitchen gadget? chef's knife. Well, it's not a gadget. I like the, uh, I like the pasta tongs, the thin ones that are like, uh, they're like big metal chopsticks essentially. Those things are awesome. Ooh.

Like tongs like with a head like the, like a, it's not the end isn't like a chopstick, right? What do you mean? It's like, it's basically giant tweezers. They're like kitchen tweezers, but they're giant. And you, they're great. You can use it for pasta. That's easy to like flip things in a pan. I feel like tongs.

The problem with tongs is the actual, like, ends of the tongues are too thick. It's, like, hard to grab things and flip them. Yeah. With these kitchen tweezers or whatever they're called, the, like, the fine points at the end actually make it very easy to kind of manipulate food and grab stuff. It's great. Yeah, I never thought about you, right, but using tongs, I feel like an oven mitts of my hands and I'm trying, you know, like the chicken box or something.

Just like, yeah, bumble around. Email's your favorite kitchen gadgets for your fancy football at jeet mold. That's good. Yeah. That's good stuff. Anyway. I always thought Burden looked like awesome and so explosive. He reminds me of Antonio Brown in a few ways.

Like when the ball is in his hands to me, he looks like one of the most explosive guys I've seen in a few years, and I would absolutely take a risk on him in the second round. I think that some people see that too. Because I think I've seen some people have him as the number one receiver by far.

And then other people are... In the draft? Yeah. Like I think Lance Deerline at NFL.com has him as his number one guy. But then there's other people that have him as a second rounder or worse. You know what I mean?

I think there's a... This is why we're talking about him. There's a really wide disparity in terms of what people see from him. And I think there was, you know, he had a really tough year relative to what everyone was expecting this last season. He only had 61 catches, 6,776 yards, 6 touchdowns last year, the year before in 20203, 1,200 yards and 9 touchdowns.

But like Haif had said, I mean, there was a big difference in the quarterback play and the offense and that whole situation. Of course. Yeah. I don't know. I just, I kind of land somewhere in the middle on him. I don't think I share exactly your enthusiasm for him, Craig, but I do see the potential because of that explosiveness.

So it's also one of those things where if he does go. in the late first compared to the early second, he could potentially land on a really good team. Who could use him specifically? The final reason I think that the DG. Moore comp is perfect is the question we started this whole thing with. Like, where would you take D. J.G. Moore in the draft? If you knew who was D.G. Moore? I still don't know.

Like, I don't know where I would take D.J. Moore in the NFL draft if I knew what was getting up. Like, I actually, you could convince me, like, a lot of different answers to that. So, all right. We will see. He'll be one of the more interesting guys on draft night, I think, for sure. And we just say everyone, so we have more stuff coming up, but I just want to say if you are new to this, we're going to go draft all through the draft, obviously,

but then we keep doing fantasy stuff and other bullshit all summer, and then we just August, we just absolutely go ham. We get you ready for your fantasy football team. We also just cover the whole season. Like Sunday, like during the season, we do four episodes a week. We never stop, never stopping. Never stop. No days off.

A great movie. So, anyway, it is a good movie. Stick with us for that. I want to do a, couple things. I have a lot, I have a few funny emails here, but I kind of want to start with Craig. Do you want to talk about the Seth Rogen thing? Yeah, sure. So Seth Rogen, his new TV show just came out for Apple. It's called The Studio where he plays a guy who just got hired to be the new studio head of Continental Studios, which is just basically like a paramount in this world. And it's super

funny, half hour comedy. There's 10 episodes. I think they're coming out weekly. And you described it as Veep for Hollywood, basically. Yes. I think what Vee did for politics, I think this studio kind of does for Hollywood in that you feel like an insider and it's all the jargon and all that stuff of the world you're in but it's also very accessible and you don't need to know every inside joke to still have a good time and hang out and it's also just like flat out very funny and rogan and goldberg who are the best they're like stupid silly slapstick sense of humor is like smacked right in the middle of this really glossy pretty sexy looking show about Hollywood or every scene is shot with as a one or which basically like one take only for every scene um it's i think it's a

really special show. And I think it's like my favorite comedy, probably since Veep. And so I, the show I produced The Town, the podcast with Matt Bellany, about like the business of Hollywood. I guess Seth and Evan Goldberg are fans of the town. And they wrote the town podcast into the studio. Like early on in the first episode, too. It's in the first episode. So in the world of the studio, Matt Remick, who is Seth Rogen's character, listens to the town throughout the season. And that's crazy. Matt Bellany is just making a big old cameo. Yes. And, and And Matt himself was in episode 9 and 10. Oh, no way. Awesome.

And so, yeah, we recorded lines over the summer for Seth and Evan, and it was nuts to see it in the show. It's very, very bizarre. That's crazy. Yeah. So we went to the premiere on Monday, and we got to go to the after party, and I was able to meet Seth. And he was at, he is, you know, they don't meet your heroes. Seth was like as cool as you want him to be in every way. Yeah.

Super nice, really goofy, funny, like, very warm. New the town. We were chatting all about it. he was just like so affable, approachable, and I can't speak more highly about. What happened when you walked up to him? He went, producer Craig, which is very cool. That's incredible. I just think Seth's the best.

Obviously, like, everything he's done writing and acting is great. But even, like, behind the scenes, he's a pretty prominent producer in Hollywood. He does, like, the boys. He did the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle movie that did really well. He does a lot of stuff. His company's called Point Grey. And everybody I talked to says that Seth and Evan are just like the best. to work with.

Craig, I watched the first two episodes on your recommendation. Really liked it. Super funny. Like you said, it's shot really cool. It's shot like Birdman. The cinematography,

they do a lot of like what Craig said. It's the oneers. Scene by scene is shot like Birdman. They cut between scenes a lot. Although the second episode is called the oner. And it's about a movie set trying to kind of pull off this big oneer shot for a movie

that Continental Studios is making. But the episode itself is also a oneer. The episode, by the way, super well done. Very funny. gives me hives. The most stressful anxiety-inducing. Episode two is the most

second-hand embarrassment excruciating. It's like it's like it's so excruciating to watch that scene. But it's like really well-made. Can I just say it? Seth's wardrobe on the show and in real life is so elite. And him and his stylist, whatever they're doing, it's fucking fantastic. He's wearing like old school 60s, double-breasted suits.

Yeah. Like browns and oranges and greens. He looks awesome. I got to, yeah, I got to get. that guy because I, you know, I need a similar glow up, but from my chance, the rapper shirt that Jason Concepcion roasted before in front of the entire office. You got hit up Seth Stylist. My dream is to one day be able to pull off those glasses that are just like slightly

tinted, you know, the slightly tinted. He was wearing those when I met him. Yeah. That's my dream. I just look, producer Craig. Oh, ho, ho. He is just like exactly the same guy kind of you see on screens. Like super nice, goofy.

It was great. Okay. that's sick. Let's do some emails here real quick. Emails. I can't name everyone who sent us this

on social media and email. I just thank you to literally everyone who sent this. I feel like really good about the show when people tag us and stuff and I'm like, yep,

this is 100% something. It's our brand. Someone, I have, the thing was going around social media on blue sky, shadow blue sky where we're all at. It's like if Twitter wasn't so fucking toxic.

But it's the media's guide for the 1936 Green Bay Packers. It's the roster. And it has like names and hometowns, positions. And then it just has all, it has their real job. Occupation and whether they're married or single is like on the thing.

And the occupations on this. Which is so funny. Like, why the fuck does it matter with the relationship status? Literally, literally it's unbelievable. And the occupations, I think the people are like, oh, I keep name with my daughter.

But the occupations on here, like literally there are other jobs that they were actually paying this, like, feeding their families with. Journalist, student, salesman. One of them is just baseball.

Don Hudson is just baseball. Don Hudson, aka the best receiver for Jerry Rice, who I have beef with Don Hudson. One of them is golf pro, but then it gets just out of control. Clark Hinkle, it just says

investment. Joe Laws, it just says tire shop. Yep. A lot of, sorry, Joe Laws is farming. And then the best of all is Whalen Becker.

It just says, is cheese. Cheese. My job is cheese. Occupation is cheese. My job is cheese. What business are you in, Wailin and Ken?

Cheese. Barbie and Ken, it's like, so you're a lifeguard. No, no, no. It's just beach. It's just beach.

It's just beach. Arnold Herbert. Soft drinks. I love, I love prospector. That's a job on me. Prospector. Paul.

Paul Engelstein. I can't read it. I think I like, I like. Engbrlstein. I like that Arnold Herber's job is soft drinks. There's an oil worker. Soft drinks.

The other one's just aircraft. So he's a pilot or is he like, build planes? No. He's not a pilot for sure. He's just aircraft. He's just aircraft. The other one just says cafe prop.

What does that mean? He's a proprietor. He runs a cafe. He's a proprietor of a cafe. Oh, yeah, yeah. The prospector guy was the one who started in the quarter of a night. What is a prospector again? I think he's panning for gold.

What does that mean? What do you mean what it means? It means during the offseason, he just goes and finds gold. Is that a job or is that a hobby? I don't understand. I think it's a career. It depends if you make money doing it. If you don't find any gold, it's a hobby.

If you find gold, it's a job. I like Chester Johnston golf pro. I know. Pretty impressive. What a good life. Golf pro in his real job, NFL player in his hobby. We have another one at the bottom that just says baseball. Baseball.

Red Smith. So good. Champ Sebold. God, his name is. If you have any more of these floating around the meat,

Edolph Schwammell, clothing. Cheese. Clothing. Also, wait, we forgot he's a fucking goldenbird was a wrestler. Wait,

he's literally a packer. That's what the cheese thing is. He's a literal packer. Yeah. Cheese. This is the 36 packers. He's actually a cheese packer. His job actually makes the most sense

out of anyone's on this list. He's the one who got him sponsored by Acme packing company. Oh my God. Whalen Becker is like, I know a guy. also top guy there San Diego State

Paul Miller, journalist. Dude, wait, one of these guys name is Johnny Blood. Ooh. Johnny Blood. God, that's good.

From New Richmond, Wisconsin. Johnny Blood, salesman. Johnny Blood, Door to a salesman knocking on your door. I'm not buying something from a guy named Johnny Blood probably.

Also, Johnny Blood sounds Johnny Blood McNally was his real name. Johnny Blood. Johnny Blood. Johnny Blood. So, Hyvitz,

you said the one at the bottom is baseball. That's the assistant coach, Red Smith. So the assistant coach is a professional baseball player? I don't know. Maybe he's a baseball coach. I don't know. Google Reds coach. He invented baseball.

And then Earl Lambo, the head coach, was an insurance salesman in the offseason. Lambo? Like, yeah. Curly Lambo? Like the guy, Lambo field is named after? I would imagine they are in the same family. I'm a Red Smith. Red Smith, the coach, he's from Wisconsin.

and he was, yeah, he was like a baseball coach at Georgetown in Seaton Hall and then he did baseball in the offseason. By the way, Johnny Blood, there's a whole section on Wikipedia of his legendary antics. Which there's honestly too many to read, but it's basically, he had a bunch of exploits, which helped get him the nickname Johnny Blood. So climbing up and down buildings to get to hotel rooms. and or to escape hotel rooms. Johnny Blugge.

He's like a movie. Hold on. Talk to Seth. Talk to Seth. Let me tell you about Johnny Blood. Class Clown of the 1930s. Dude. He once pulled, I'm reading for the Wikipedia.

Once, should I do the accent or no. Yeah, do the Transatlantic. Once pulled his car directly to the path of the team train that he'd missed during a late night of wine, women, and song. Wasn't even fine or suspended after all. He was the coach. Dude, he stopped the team train with his car. It should not be a surprise to you.

It should not be a surprise to you whatsoever that this man also served in World War II. He once passed up an opportunity to purchase an NFL franchise for $1,200. Oh my God. He's like the original Dosaki's guy. He was known for riding the blinds between trains on the way to training camp to avoid having to play a fair, which earned him the nickname the Vagabond Halfback. fucking love this guy. Playing almost an entire game with a collapsed kidney.

Wow. That just sounds dangerous. Climbing down the face of a hotel in downtown Chicago to avoid curfew and recite poetry to the swooning women below. Ooh. This is such a World War II life. You said to get enlisted the day after Pearl Harbor and then was the inaugural class of the NFL Hall of Fame. Literally the first Hall of Fame class, they're like Johnny Blood with Curly Lambo and Sammy Baugh. Oh, man.

Amazing. Just Bill Tiff. Thank you. Keep sending us media guides from the 30s. All right. A couple other things here. Parents. People love the parent shit.

Starting with the parents who couldn't cook vegetables. Our parents don't eat vegetables because their parents couldn't cook vegetables. Boys, we got a gusher. So many people are like, yes. So I'm going to read an email from Ryan that I thought really. I don't love gusher. You don't love that. It's like Gloria.

I don't love. I don't love. I just, yeah. I'm going to continue to lean into that. Use a different word. We got a banger. We got a great, I don't know, whatever. I'd rather have banger.

All right. All right. CBO or CGOs only. Okay. This one's from Ryan, which I thought summed up all the comments pretty well. Listen to the most recent podcasts. I realized that my father, who's 66, eats like Al Michaels. Yeah.

And I never really thought about it. And again, Al Michaels, those that don't know, But doesn't he just go to Suscana and L.A. And just get a steak every day in potatoes for like 40 years? He's like never had a salad or a vegetable. He's never, I eat like three steaks in a row when we're on a work trip. And I'm like, I feel like I'm going to die.

Yeah. You can like, I can like physically feel like my body can't break this down. What's what is that? Al Michaels wants to leave his football games every time. He just is dying. So Ryan writes, I never really thought about how my dad eats like Al Michaels, but my mom always gives him a hard time.

And anytime my dad comes to Los Angeles to visit me and I, we go, we order sides of vegetables the restaurant has. And my dad never touches. them. And I never understood this. But then after listening to your show, I gasped because I remembered when my grandmother died, his mother died, I had to go clean out her house. And it's important to stress here my grandmother never cooked for the grandchildren ever, because apparently she was horrible at it. So anyway, I got to the house to clean it out for her and imagine my surprise to find all caps. Hundreds of jolly green giant dolls plates memorabilia that was packed.

in boxes on boxes on boxes, obviously clearly from the 1960s and 70s. And the only way you can get these items, it turns out, is to send in the old school proof of purchase labels from probably the shittiest cans of vegetables imaginable. So now I realize my dad doesn't eat vegetables because my grandmother was a weirdo who served horrible canned vegetables to her kids because she wanted to get stuffed animals in the shape of a burly green broccoli man. And anyway, he says, thank you for saving me like $2,000. a therapy to get to that.

I must, look, I, I really do sympathize with all the, the people who grew up in, like, the 60s and 70s out there who were eating, like, canned lima beans every night for dinner. They're hiding into their desk to help. Just from Navy beans. They're hiding at a desk to stop the nuclear war and going home and just eating, yeah, lima beans and wartime. Here's a plate of Navy beans for dinner. Eat up, boy.

My, my grandma, my grandma would make casseroles a lot, like green bean casseroles, which I imagine green bean casseroles, which I imagine were made from cansole. needs to die. Just like soggy green beans. Castrol's like Gertrude. No one wants to use that word anymore. But it's incredible how many people are like, yeah, my parents would just boil or steam vegetables and put them on a plate.

Yep. And then you couldn't leave dinner until you ate them. So shout out to everyone. If you have more stories of your parents not eating vegetables or not parents can't cooking, emails from your fancy football at Gmail.com. The other one, I love this one so much. This is another one on parents lying to children. Sure.

Love this. This one's from Ellie. Ellie. Ellie. Ellie writes, as a kid, I was a big Barney fan. So much so that I demanded Barney arrive to my fourth birthday party. Oh, boy. My family, obviously, could not get Barney to come.

And because of trade marks or whatever, they couldn't rent a Barney costume. So instead, they found an off-brand Barney costume. And they told me Barney's, Barney was filming his show in Paris with his crew. so that instead Barney's cousin was going to come. I have to show you guys. I have to show you guys.

This is Barney's cousin Mitch. Barney's cousin Mitch. Ellie has given me permission to put this photo on the show and I am going to pull up this photo right now. You guys have to see what

Barney's fucking cousin looks like. This is the Barney knockoff. Oh, that's creepy. Look at the Look at the dead black eyes. I'm going to see this thing in my nightmares tonight. The eyes are staring at me. I can't look at the two kids.

They look concerned. Kids are so upset. And Barney looks like he could never make them happy, dude. Barty, he's got like the posture of like George Michael when he does like the walk, you know? Yes. What is it? It's the Charlie Brown walk. Yeah.

Yeah. The Charlie Brown walk. He's like, saddest-looking child. I mean, Marty's supposed to be a fucking dinosaur. I don't know what the hell this thing is.

Looks like an alien. It looks like a character from Mario. Barney's cousin. Yeah. Yoshi's purple cousin. It looks like Birdo, kind of.

You guys know Burdo from Mario? No. Burdo? You don't know Burdo? Um, oh, it does look like Burdo. Wow. Yeah,

looks like Burdo's really sad. How do you know the name that that character's name is Burdo? Burdo's like sad like Berdo's saddled like I play a lot of Mario growing up I don't know it's just funny

I don't know Never never Berto's new that was Berto All right I just I couldn't get over that I thought that was incredible That's so funny That was

If anyone else's parents brought like a Like a Off brand mascot To their birthday party Or anything that sounds Even kind of like that Please please please attach photos And said

Have you ever seen those videos Of parents having like Their friends dressed up as the Grinch and like run in on Christmas Day and like steal presents and then they film the children. Kids are just like screaming. I think it's like one of those things that Jimmy Kimmel always puts on his show because he loves that shit.

Sal came up with. Sal's like, let's ruin Christmas for kids. Was it Sal who was like, let's ruin Halloween and tell the kids we ate their candy? Yes, yeah, yeah. He loves those things. Any like child pranks he's into. But the great stuff is honestly really funny. The kids are fucking terrified.

That's so funny. We should have Sal come on and tell what kitten lies. Just traumatized. That's unbelievable. That's kind of wild. Runing Christmas and ruining November 1st morning are very different to me. Telling your kids like November 1 that like you ate in their candy is funny. Runing Christmas Day is that that could lead to that.

That's kind of tough. I got to say I watched the I watched the Jim Carrey Grinch movie recently. It's creepy. That's, it's just a creepy thing. And then it makes me look at all the Dr. Seuss books very differently because I read a bunch of Dr. who's books to Calvin and I'm just like, this world that they live in, he was really on something.

It's a bit of a drug trip. Yeah. You guys see breaking news? The Sundance Film Festival announced that they are moving to Boulder, Colorado. Why are they doing that? Because cities bid on it. Their contract was up with Park City, Utah,

and cities just bid on it. And Boulder was probably the highest bidder. That's cool. And I think they wanted to go, Park City is kind of hard to get to. Boulder's a lot bigger, right? It's a lot bigger, right? It's a lot bigger.

Boulder's bigger and you have the college. And so you can like, there's a lot of just like infrastructure already there. They have a film school. I think that was also a reason why. Cincinnati was on the list, which I was, I was going to be upset if Cincinnati won. That doesn't sound super great. What are you saying about Cincinnati, Greg?

Nothing. I just don't think, you know, Cincinnati. I think Boulder kind of carries on some of the traditions that Park City does from a nature standpoint. Cincinnati, I'm not sure if it does. I'm not sure if it does. Boulder's cool. He doesn't fly into Denver's giant-ass, weird-ass airport.

I know. You still have to, it's still a little bit of a drive, right? It's like 40. It's an under an hour, right? Yeah. You have to fly into Salt Lake City and then drive an hour to Park City. I, I worry they're going to move the combine.

Similar reasons. I know. And after being there now, I don't want it to move. I really understand why. Indianapolis is such an incredible convention city because you can basically want 17 minutes indoors. You can walk from like seven blocks in that stadium. And just like the limited number of,

the limited number of like bars that can hold everybody really, really helps. If it's in LA or maybe They can't do it in LA. You would never see anyone. It's going to be way too splintered. Everybody will be, you won't get any access.

No. So, but you know, it's another thing you can sell. But is that contract up or city's bidding on? It's a chip. Basically, like the NFL just loves to,

you know, squeeze everything. They can't enter everything. And they just like it's another trip to trade. So it's like on one hand, the same way they, I think they've gotten out of this, but they used to just say anybody

who builds a stadium gets a Super Bowl. That was just like a carrot. like anyone who builds a stadium, we don't care where it is. Minnesota, Buffalo, you build a stadium, we're going to give you a Super Bowl. And they're basic,

and then there's certain teams that wanted their stuff. So Kansas City wanted the draft. And that was two years ago. The NFL is like, you need to rebuild your entire airport. If the city, if Kansas City builds a new airport,

you will get a draft because they like, it was the worst airport. Kansas City airport was just not built to like have. Yeah, like Green Bay is getting the draft. And so it's like, they're like, there are certain cities like,

we don't actually want to give Green Bay or Kansas City the Super Bowl, but like maybe we'll give you, the combine. And it's just another thing that you can kind of hand out and trade. But it's the rare thing where everyone's against it. Like literally, players, agents, coaches, teams,

journalists. Every stakeholder involved is actually very rarely aligned, but everyone's like, we kind of like our thing and we don't want to redo all of this. So I don't know if anyone cares about that. So we could have the show. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Kyle. Thank you everyone emailed in your childhood trauma about lying parents lying to you. You're

Thank you to Barney's cousin Mitch. Thank you to Barney's cousin Mitch. Thank you to Seth Rogan for having the town in the studio. Check out the town. I'm mostly just happy that Seth Rogan called you producer Craig and did the laugh. That makes me happy. I got to say, and I don't say this just because I like Craig. The town is a really good podcast.

It is. Shout out to Matt Belly. Yeah, listen to the town. I mean, still listen to us, but like, listen to town. Don't replace us, but just do both. Exactly. Right. Thank you, Lord.

And watch the studio. Lord. Thank you, Bloodhound gang. Johnny Blood? Johnny Blood. I don't know. You and Baby ain't nothing but mammals. Remember that?

Oh, okay. What? Yeah, no, you know. Wow. No, Craig, you did a bad job. I just did a bad job. Thanks. He botched it.

He botched it. Takes one at all one. Fair. You do it. Batched it. What is it? Bloodhound gang. Do it like they do on the Discovery Channel.

Oh, that's a toned off. That sounds familiar. What's the song called? The bad touch. That was called? Their album covers are certainly a choice. Wait, that's the other thing about the studio. I'm not spoiling it, I think, right?

When it's like the premise of the movie is that Seth Rogen loves movies and is like so excited to run a studio and like get to like make fix Hollywood and his job is actually to ruin movies. Well, his job is to make critically like commercially. successful movies. Yes, and it's balancing art in business. It's like, you know, that's like the ultimate question in Hollywood is can you actually make good movies that also make money? And that that line, Seth Rogen said in an interview on NPR, he was like the line of my whole life I've loved movies and now I think it's my job to ruin them, which is a great log line. But he said that when

he and Evan were like in their early 20s meeting people for Superbad, an executive told that to them and they never forgot it. And now it made its way all the way to the show. But what was the line again? My whole life I've loved movies and now I fear it's my job to ruin them. Great, which is great. It's like an amazing line. All right. Goodbye.