The Ringer NFL Show - Saleh Fired, Drake Maye Hired, and Power Ranking the Players You Should Bench

Episode Date: October 9, 2024

The guys react to the Jets firing head coach Robert Saleh and what it means for the team moving forward, as well as the news that the Patriots will be starting quarterback Drake Maye (1:13). Next, POWER HOUR! The guys discuss which underwhelming fantasy stars you should consider benching, including Bankrupt Breece, Washed Andrews, Kyle Pitts, and more (25:15). Plus, Fantasy Court and emails (54:36)! Fleece Hall (26:05) It might be time to panic if you have Anthony Richardson (28:34) Patrick Mahomes is just much better as a real-life football player than as a fantasy player (32:58) What’s going on with Deebo Samuel? (38:14) All of the Dolphins (sorry producer Carlos) (40:35) It’s impossible for Amari Cooper to reach his full potential with Deshaun Watson throwing him the ball (42:56) Mark Andrews and Kyle Pitts are virtually unplayable right now (45:33) Bucky Irving is just straight up better than Rachaad White (48:06) Calvin Ridley is out there running wind sprints (50:15) These Steelers skill guys are just kind of gross right now (52:54) Vote for John Richter’s podcast (Transmissions From Colony One) at the Signal Listener’s Choice Awards! Check out our 2024 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens Producer: Kai Grady and Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Look, it's not that confusing. I'm Rob Harvilla, host of the podcast 60 Songs That Explain the 90s, except we did 120 songs. And now we're back with the 2000s. I refuse to say aughts. 2000 to 2009. The Strokes, Rihanna, Jalo, Kanye, sure. And now the show is called 60 Songs That Explain the 90s,

colon the 2000s. Wow. That's too long a title for me to say anything else right now. Just trust me. That's 60 songs that explain the 90s, in the 2000s, preferably on Spotify. My show, my name is Danny Hyfitz. I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Worldbeck,

and today it is Power Hour, where we power rank something. And today we are power ranking all the fantasy players we're thinking about benching. We are benching, we're thinking about benching, we want to bench it, we will bench, and we will bench and we will not bench. But first, we have did a bunch of news because the New Jets have fired.

Head coach Robert Sala. D.K., what was your first reaction when you heard that the Jets fired Bob Sala? It kind of feels like a scapegoat situation here. I probably would have fired someone on the offensive side personally, but that's just me. Ultimately, like the buck does stop at the head coach, though, and the team feels a little dysfunctional. So I understand sort of what they're doing. I don't think it's like a wild, wild move.

The timing was just a little bit funny, and it felt pretty quick. I agree. The buck does stop at the head coach? But Craig, does the buck stop at the head coach with the Jets? Right. I don't know if it does with the Jets. I do feel a little bad for Bob because it does feel like he's been set up the worst to succeed in his run here for the Jets. It feels like he had to start Zach Wilson when he didn't want to.

The Aaron Rogers thing has been a mess. They bring in Nate Hackett. I mean, this feels like Rogers fired Bob Sala, right? Like this is a LeBron James-ass move out of Aaron Rogers. LeBron's had what, four coaches on the Lakers in six years. The call is coming from inside the locker room. Okay. This is Rogers.

Yeah, I mean, I think our late colleague, Jonathan Sharks, always said, I think, you know, if you are coaching LeBron James, you're in a one-year contract. And, I mean, Bob Salon, though, six, I mean, it's not even week six yet. And he's out. Six-week contract, yeah. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's the first time Woody Johnson, the Jets owner, has fired anybody in the middle of the season in his 25 years owning the team. Rich Simeini, who's covered the Jets for almost 40 years, says it's never happened in his entire tenure.

Well, let's start with where Craig just was, D.K. So Woody Johnson, the Jets owner basically was like, well, first of all, just all the information we have on this information, it's like a source-off. with the reporters. Like obviously you can see Robert Sala, the head coach who just got fired and Nate Hack at the offensive coordinator and then Joe Douglas, the GM, all these sources, it's all different.

So it's like Robert Sala was, quote, unquote, escorted out by security or maybe the head of security just walked with him to his car. Like Robert Sala was going to fire, yeah, Robert Sala was going to fire Nate Hack at the offensive coordinator. Or actually Robert Sala was just going to strip him of play calling duties.

Jets owner Woody Johnson did not talk to Rogers about it. Well, actually he did talk to Rogers on Monday night, but not about that. And so with all that said, D.K., do you think that this is Aaron Rogers getting Robert Sol fired directly or indirectly? That's a great question. I kind of actually lean indirectly because I think Woody John, there's a rumor slash thought going around that Woody Johnson was just really embarrassed because hanging out with his buddies in the UK this weekend. And they lost and the Jets lost to Sam Darnold, their former top pick. and he was just like really embarrassed and mad

and he decided to like make a big change because he was hanging out with all his ambassador buddies in England. He all is posh private school, boarding school, British friends just, you know, just were making fun of them. This is my favorite theory. I think ultimately...

So do you want to explain that for people who don't know Woody Johnson was an ambassador, right? To the UK, yeah. To the UK long time ago. I think this entire thing is explained by Woody Johnson being ambassador. So since January of 2017, what he m waddy johnson johnson johnson guy is donald trump names him the ambassador to the united kingdom and so he has to go do that so he hands control the jets seems like well i mean it's the ambassador

to the u.k that seems like a tough job he's got yeah i know right yeah what are you just doing just go hang out just try to get trump the you know play polo i don't know you had to hold the british open but so then he hands the control the jets to his brother chris johnson for all intents and purposes chris johnson is fredo you know what i mean like chris johnson looked at him gaysson in the and hired Adam Gaste. That's all you have to know about Chris Johnson. So Woody Johnson comes back from running. And you know what he comes back to?

The Jets have the longest postseason drought in all four major American pro sports. Like think about the most embarrassing teams in pro sports, the athletics who are just gutted to leave the city, the White Sox. Those teams made the playoffs like three years ago. The Jets have not made the playoffs in 13 years, which is the longest of any, or yeah, 14 years there. Any of pro sports in America, that's the longest drought. The Jets are fifth in division titles in the AFC East. There are only four teams in the AFC East. The Jets ranked fifth in teams who have won the AFC East. So he comes back to all this. And Robert Sala,

Woody Johnson didn't hire Rob Sala. And to your point, think about your friends you know or Sean Fennacy, anyone you know about who's a Jets fan. And think about how embarrassed they are to talk about the Jets. Just so humiliating. Yeah, yeah. Imagine owning the Jets. It's so humiliating. So then yeah, it's exactly what D.K just said. You're in London for this game and you were the ambassador and you're important and the Jets team website called you Ambassador Johnson and you're with all your important

friends, Titans of Industry, whatever, people who've been there for 10,000 families been there for 1,200 years. Yeah, just billionaires from their, you know, Peeky Blinders-S mansions. Hang it out on the estate. And you lose to your old quarterback, Sam Donald. Craig, honestly, I really think it was just humiliated for Woody Johnson.

I think most of it, when it comes to the When you're at the billionaire level, it's all ego. It's all, how cool can I look in front of my other billionaire friends? So I fully buy this theory. And I really think it's 80% like that was absolutely humiliating. And 20% was you gave it over to Aaron Rogers. And I don't think Aaron Rogers called him and said, fire him. Fire Rob Sala.

I think that you're Woody Johnson and you know that you're two feet in with Aaron. And again, Aaron Rogers is supposed to fix this. Aaron Rogers was supposed to undo all the patheticness of the jets. You're in with two feet. So I do think Rob Sala probably runs it up the flagpole. I would like to fire Nathan, or not fire, but Nate Hackett can't call plays anymore. And if you're Rob Sala, I get it.

The Jets defense has given up one touchdown in their last three games, and they haven't, and they didn't win the last two games. They give up one touchdown in three weeks, and they're not winning. And so if you're Rob Sala, you're like,

maybe the offense should win games where we hold the Denver Broncos to 10 points. You know what I mean? And so Nate Hackett is Aaron Rogers's Bobblehead, basically. And so I think that he runs it to Woody Johnson. He's like, I want to strip Nate Hackett of play calling,

Aaron Rogers was like, I think Nate Hackett should call plays. And Woody Johnson's like, what does Bob Salah mean to me? I didn't hire this guy. And I think that was really it. Yeah, I mean, if they stripped Hackett of play calling duties, Rogers would just be extremely pissed. That would just cause more division in the locker room. Like, Sala and Rogers would hate each other even more after that happened.

So I'm sure they were like, hey, who's the headache here? Like, we can just remove this guy and my quarterback will be happy. It probably makes more sense. Sala's had a tough beat. I'm not ready to say that he's like a, a terrible coach. He might be the Sam Darnold of coaches where he's just been in this horrible situation

for five years and it's like, do I think Sala should have another job? Yeah. Like he should probably go be a defensive coordinator somewhere and then work at me. He should probably go back to the Niners and be defensive coordinator since they're struggling. But I don't want to put a lot of this on Sala actually as a coach.

This is a perfect illustration to me of like the massive chasm difference between being a coordinator and a head coach is like you have to deal. It's like you're literally a CEO of a company or whatever. It's like you have to deal with all the just relationships and power dynamics. Dude, 100%.

Steve Spagnolo, best job in the league. Ben Johnson, just don't leave Detroit, dude. Just stay. Win Super Bowls year after year in Detroit. Don't have to be the head coach. Just do that rather than you want to go to the Titans next year, try to get that off the ground. Stay in Detroit.

Yeah, there's this scene in the wire. The third season of the wire gets into politics and it's about the mayoral race. And it's about this councilman. who becomes the mayor and then he wins the, he wins, that little finger, the actor? Yeah, little finger from Game of Thrones is the mayor. It's incredible. And he wins the mayor and then his like, this long time political advisor sits him down. He's like, congrats. You know what? No, sorry, the old mayor gets lunch with him. He's like, you know what you have to do now, right? And he's like, and he's like, here's what being mayor is like.

You come in and someone walks in and they hand you a bowl of shit. And then you have to sit there. You have to eat all the shit. And you know what you get in exchange for eating that shit? You get another bowl. And every day until you're fired really publicly and humiliating. And that's being a head coach. And that's where I will defend Bob Sala. Like, look, at the end of the day, I agree with what D.K said, the buck stops with you. Bill Parsall's you are what your record is. Bob Sala has one of the, I think Bill Simmons said that one of the 20 worst

record win percentage records ever. He's a horrible record. Like he, of losing coaches, he got to hang around for a long time. And at the end of the day, that is the beginning and into the argument. But in the middle, Robert Sala, what was he actually in control of? I would argue Robert Sala was not in control of the personnel, the draft, or the quarterbacks. and he also wasn't control the offense of Aaron Rogers.

So he gets stuck with, like, when Aaron Rogers goes down last year, and they're like, we're going to stick with Zach Wilson and Tim Boyle, I don't think that's Sallel's decision. I don't think it's solid's decision to deal with the offense this year. He could control the defense. I know they didn't play the strongest teams, but they had one touchdown in three weeks and he got fired. To stick with the UK reference, he's basically the queen.

He's just waving. He's the queen. He's just waving. Do you think he's relieved today? He's just like, oh, God, thank God. Finally. Part of me is like, I bet you Saul is like, I know I'm going to get another job. He has seven kids.

I don't understand how he could be an NFL head coach with seven kids. There's like no work life balance. Yeah, it's just hard to be an NFL head coach, especially if you're not given personnel control. I mean, it's hard either way, but like you get put in a really tough situation if if the owner is really meddlesome. If the GM is like given all the personnel control, you basically have no power almost. It's like a weird contradiction between, like, you're the most powerful portion on the team, I guess, but then also you can't decide anything.

It's really bizarre. Well, again, I can't stress enough. The defense gave up one touchdown to the Vikings. They actually forced to fumble. Rogers got the ball back through a pick six. And then after, or sorry, he threw a pick. Then the defense responded and forced like a turnover on downs. Then they get the ball back, a pick six.

Rogers threw three interceptions in this game. The defense gave up one touchdown. Like at some point, it is a little crazy to think the defensive coach got fired. I get it because on one level like you have to go, you're all in N. Rogers. And I think that's what it comes down to. He's all in. And again, he indirectly got him fired. I think LeBron actually actively gets people fired.

I don't think Aaron Rogers called him up and was one solid. But yeah, he shoved. LeBron's like with the, you know, he's got the marionette going on. He's just pulling the strings. LeBron is the coach NGM of the Lakers. I love Sala as the queen. It reminds me, do you remember, do you remember when Dwight Howard gave this press conference? with the Orlando magic.

And he was like, I would never ask Stan to get fired. And they're like, really? Because Stan was just here. And he told us that you actually personally requested he be fired. And then Stan Van Gogh gave this press conference. He was like, look, if I get fired, you know what? I'm going to go home. I'm of a great day.

It doesn't bother me anymore. Like, maybe that's solid. They still get the check. Yeah. I will say, I don't feel bad. He's getting paid through the end of next year. Like, he'll be okay. So the one thing I do want to say with all this too.

And there's so much to this. Devante Adams. Devante Adams, what a terrible 24 hours for this. that dude because oh my god he like threw a little you know i don't want to call it hisy fit but the whole passive aggressive and tonyo pierce instagram like where these like you know 30 40 50 something alpha dudes just start communicating like you know 12 year old girls where they're just like well he liked the instagram so i can't believe a coach got involved in this i know instagram likes and business decisions so devante made a business decision in 24 hours the saints get kind of

rocked by the chief someone in football derrick car gets hurt and then the next day the jess fire robert sala those are the two biggest destinations oh yeah Adams. And so where's, you know, unless he doesn't go to Baltimore, are the Jets going to trade for Devante and just totally hand control of this team to Aaron Rogers, clearly? But like, amid a head coach shake up, I think that's tough. And the Saints can't make a trade while Carras hurt. So I think that he's kind of a loser of all this too. It's all lining up for the Chiefs. No, the Chiefs will never get it. Well, I don't really think solid getting fired, like lowers Devonte's chances of going to the Jets that much. To me, I almost think it increases it because they are saying, okay,

if we're going to side with one one group here, it's the Rogers Hackett group and they want Devante. Yeah, but if you're from Rogers' part of you, it's like you just threw three picks and lost. Like, are we going to be giving you something? Like, I don't feel super giving right now. I don't feel super generous after. I actually think the Jets should do it.

And here's why. They should absolutely do it, yes. You're the idea of like, oh, well, you're going to rob tomorrow to like go for today. Yeah, clearly that's the plan. Do that. It's like you might as well do it right. Yeah, it took you, you've never had a franchise quarterback, like, since the 60s or something. Like, you don't know what's coming next, man.

You don't know what, you know, who's coming through that door after Rogers retired. So yeah, go for it. The next interim head coach is Jeff Oldbricked, Oldbrich, Oldbrich, Oldbrich. Oh, Brick? There's no shot. It's Old Bright, right? Obrite? No.

There's a C in there. Do you slip a C in there? Where's that come out? I don't know. Oh, Bricked. Old Bricked. I think it's Obricked. I'm going to Obricked.

Me too. Obricked up. Yeah. Our beloved John Richter, who's running this YouTube live stream, and again, so if you're listening to this as a podcast, we do do this power hour live on the Ringgrenf LFL YouTube, which you can watch on Tuesday nights and subscribe to if you'd like. And then Richter is going to throw up this photo of Jeff O'Bricht, Oldbrick. And then also, if you're listening on Spotify, you also can look up this photo right now.

If you open your Spotify app, well, this photo of Jeff Oldbrick. he look so when I first saw this guy I was like oh he's like Tim Walts's age he's like 61 62 looks like like a really fucking jacked Santa Claus he's what he's got he's got a weather he's got weathered features

but DK you told me that he's 46 years old 46 or 47 yeah he's five years older than me I was like damn dude dude he's getting old I'm getting old aren't I no Botox no fillers he's embracing the wrinkles he's got a hell of a beard I really like his beard yeah full beard

of gray. I like it. Looks like a man. Looks like a real human being. I don't think I realized how much Botox has distorted my perception of how what people look like until I realized this guy's 47 years old. It's like the thing where they say of like what millennials look like versus what people like 100 years ago look like, you know, back in the days of... Dude, look, look up what Jim Crocey looked like at 30. Jim Crocey was my age when he died. It was Jim Crocee. Who's Jim Crocee? American singer-songwriter. That man was third. That man was my age. Every photo you see of him, He was either my age or younger than my age because he died at 30. This man is 30 years old.

No, he's not. Get out. Yes. No, he is. He died at 30. So he's either 30 or in his 20s in every photo. Wow. No, he lied.

He lied about that. This guy is not 30. Jim coaches all of the best. One of my favorite artists. Who is he? Oh, he's like an awesome folk singer guy. Should I know this? D.K.

I have no idea, Jim. I don't know. I recognize the name. I'm sure I'd recognize his music, but I'm not like super up on who he is either. So I'll feel better. I'll let you. get away with this one. Oh my God. Hopefully the ghosts are yelling. Crocey's the man.

I mean, yeah, they're probably mad at me, but I'm just being honest right now. I don't really know much about him. I respect that. While the jets are imploding the Patriots, I feel like use this moment to just step on their throats. The Patriots are going to be starting Drake May this week. So Drake May, third pick in the draft at a UNC Chapel Hill. We all love Drake May coming out of the draft. Starting this week first, the Texans. And it's, D.K., there's been this whole snip, snap thing with Drake May because he's good and you should play, but the Patriots are bad, so he shouldn't play.

So they're going to play Jacoby percent, but now they'll play. play him because he's had some time to develop but throwing him against the Texans who are a really good pass rush. Can't they wait one more week? What's the urgency here? I guess maybe they're like worried about losing the locker room or something. I don't know. I don't think that Percette has

played so poor. I mean, it's not like he's been good, but like he's not played so incredibly poorly. He's been bad. He's been bad. You think it's going to lose the locker room though? Is that like actually the worst quarterback in the, it's been like him and Deshaun have been the two worst quarterbacks in the league. Okay, that's fine. I'm not going to, yeah, I'm not going to argue with that. I think he has two.

touchdowns. Yeah, it's horrific. Let's be honest. I'm not watching a lot of Patriots offense right now. I don't know Jim Crochy and I'm not watching a lot of Pat's offense. I'm not going back and checking the tape with the Patriots offense where they've scored like two touchdowns. The Patriots receivers are dead last and receiving yards.

They're dead last and catches among any receiving core. And then again, also, they're a true one and four because they won their first game and then they lost four, which is funny. You don't see that a lot. But then I'm torn on this because part of me, I will say I'm team like bench quarterbacks, let them sit. it's fine. I'm torn as well.

But I also, I guess the way I look at it is I look at Juju Smith-Schistram Monday at football, having Solact tweeted this, that there were, Ju-ju had more yards last night for 130 for the Chiefs, more than any Patriots receiver has on the whole season. And I look at that. I think about C.J. Stroud and we're like, oh, well, Texans had a much better offensive line for Stroud last year, much better. But I do think about how we were like, oh, Nico Collins and Tank Dell,

is this good enough receiving core for Strout? Dude. and I do think about Jalen it's kind of amazing what it voice inflection can do you're like you're going to throw Drake May out there with Jalen Polk and Javante Baker and Hunter Henry and I'm like all right

well if he plays really well I'd be like oh Jalen Polk Hunter Henry Javon I don't know I feel like it'll be fine and the offensive line's tough but I do I think that the coaches deserve the benefit of the doubt because they're watching practice like if he goes out there and sucks and it's terrible but until we see him play

the coaches are the one watching him and Preset side by side every day I think it's a sign that he's and his teammates yeah I mean he's probably was better than Berset to begin with, but I feel like, because this is a whole new regime, I almost think they wanted to have the, the, like, the aura of being, like, cautious and pragmatic that they weren't just going to, like, step in, acquire this new team, get this

new young quarterback and just throw him out to the wolves, even if he was better than Berset right out of the gate. I feel like a lot of times when quarterback sit, it behooves them to sit because they're behind good quarterbacks on good offenses and, like, with established schemes. It's like, Mahomes got to come into a good chief's team. with Alex Smith, who was like a smart player with like a proven play caller. And even Jordan Love behind Rogers was with like a team that had been successful. And he was learning behind a Hall of Famer. And I'm like, Drake May is just like, right.

Drake May is sitting behind Jacoby Bressad who's playing like the worst quarterback in the league. I'm like, waiting five weeks and then playing him, I guess it's like maybe he's come around in practice and you feel good about it now. But I go both ways where I'm like, you could have sat him the whole year maybe just to have that narrative because the team was so bad. But I also could just see you playing in week one because it's not like sitting him is going to, you know, teach him as much as what guys like Jordan Love and Mahomes learn from their starter. So I think it's kind of a weird situation. I think it's going to, first of all, five weeks or four weeks or whatever.

Yeah, five weeks. It is meaningful that he sat for those times because, and I've used this analogy before, but I really like it. It's like you're learning a new language and then you're going out and having to talk to native speakers really, really fast or take a test in another language or read a novel. in another language, which is, by the way, insanely impossible. I took Spanish in college and I thought I was like pretty good at Spanish. And then I tried to read like a novel in Spanish and I could like not understand anything that was happening. Because novels are written so much more like flower, like there's just more flowery language in, in those books. And this is like an analogy for how hard it is to go out and like run an offense,

which you don't really know the language. You don't know the intricacies of it. and especially when it's like in a game where everything is going so fast, you have to do a million things before the snap even happens. So getting that month and a half or five weeks or whatever extra to learn that is meaningful. That being said, I bet you he'll come out and he'll look a lot like Caleb Williams looked in the first like month, just kind of overwhelmed and maybe probably pressing a little bit. He'll probably have some bad turnovers.

But ultimately, like, I think he's going to be fine. I'm really actually excited to watch him play. I don't know if this is the right move, but I'm super excited to watch it. It kind of feels like the paths just got bored and we're like, all right, how long are we going to watch per set? I mean, I agree with what Hyphen said. We don't, we don't see practice. If he's like been progressing in practice and now is the time that makes sense. But part of me is kind of like, I don't know, if you were going to sit him, is it really five weeks all he needed?

Like maybe sit him longer. I love D.K's language analogy. I love the language analogy. It is like a language and immersion is so key. Do you learn Spanish in five weeks? I don't know. Well, you can learn conversational Spanish in five weeks. Yeah.

but then try taking a test or try reading a novel. It's like so much different. But it is. Like you remember Hard Knocks when this scene where they had Brian Daibble with all the quarterbacks in the whiteboard and he's like, you know, just like change the play call. That is kind of like having a conversation. It is a language.

And to your point. And it's like you have, you know, Jack, so my fiance is, she speaks like three languages and like flex. And like flex. Jesus. But someone, she works in D.C. And she has like this international field and I meet people learn a lot of languages a little time.

Someone said it would be actually like a few weeks ago. You know you're learning a language, like you're getting a language when you can make a joke in that language. Because, and I actually think that the football version of that is an out of structure play. Yeah, there you go. There's something where, like, it's one thing to like know the play call. Like, oh, I know, bibliotheca. But then the next one is, can you speak of sentences? Yeah.

No one ever asked me where the library was in Spain. It didn't work. Who's looking for libraries these days? Dude, I know. Yeah. It's God. Hey, we love libraries on this show, by the way. The library system is awesome.

I never struggle to find one with technology. Coma sedice say swipe right. But like, how do you say Google in Spanish? Google. Como sedice? How do you say? No, we're just doing kicking and screaming. How do you say pasta in Italian?

Pasta. How do you say spaghetti? Oh, Italian is easy. But no, there is something to the idea that, yeah, at what point should you go to another country? Well, it depends on the person. You know, how much you're going to pick up versus how much should you know before? Oh, totally. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And doesn't it just feel, though, like the Pats got bullied into starting him? I don't know. I think Bob Kraft was like, the Jets are in turmoil now, now, now, now. I don't know if they were like week five or week six was always the plan. I feel like people are like, all right, dude, this is pretty miserable to watch. It feels a little fickle. I don't know. I don't have any insight information on how the decision went down, but it does feel a little

bit like, all right, let's just do it. Switch out. We'll see if it gets killed. I saw this, yeah, so Jericho Bresset's getting hit 10 times a game. I saw this from Dan Arlowski today on ESPN that 46% of Jacoby Preset's dropbacks. He's faced a pressure. And some of that's on the quarterback, but still 46% of the dropbacks.

He's faced the pressure. I'm not a math guy, but that's almost half, which is the highest since 2006 through five weeks. That's not good. So, yeah, we'll see if Drake may survives. So this is just yet another opportunity for Stroud to put his arm around a guy, a young quarterback, and just like...

Chin up, young buck. We'll see if we can do that with that. Every quarterback this year. I'm going to go get my first kick by the Vikings next week. But chin up. It's just a tour. All right, before we move on here, pick up a win this NFL game day on Fandul, America's number one sportsbook right now.

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Gambling problem? Call 1-800 gambler or visit RG-Help.com. Let's get to Power Hour again. We're going to power rank all the fantasy players you're thinking about benching or we're thinking about benching. Really, just people were angry at and what are you going to do with them? For those who don't know, is it going to work.

Well, Deacon Craig sent me there, players. I'm ranking them. And again, we're going to do this power hour style. So every two minutes, you're going to hear this sound. Haven't got sued yet. Don't jinx it. I welcome it. I welcome it.

Bring it on. Good PR. Yeah. We're like Lil Nas X with the blood shoes. Yeah. Exactly like that. Yeah. Exactly.

That's us. Okay. So, yeah. So power hour. And again, we're power ranking players that we, really just kind of, we're just thinking about benching them. And again, we're not saying you should bench these players. We're saying we want.

We're thinking about it. We're thinking about it. Number one, Brees Hall, the running back for the New York Jets. Yep. Fleece Hall. That's what I call him. Fleece Hall. But let's get serious, guys. Breece Hall sucks right now.

And it's been a disaster. He has 27 rushing yards over the last two weeks. and eight points. Basically, if you look at Breece Hall this year, the only reason why he's, like his average over the whole season looks okay is because he scored a touchdown in each of the first three games.

But like he hasn't run for more than 55 yards in a game. He catches a few passes, but it's not looking great. It's a perfect storm of shit for Bruce, right? It's like the O-line's terrible. He's getting hit behind the scrimmage, worse, you know, like as bad as any other running back in the league is.

I was looking at, I saw a stat, the top five running backs whose rushes go for zero or negative yards. The top five guys. Rashad White makes sense. Ray Davis, rookie on the bills. Sure. Alexander Madison. Yep.

Devon A. Chan is on that list. And then Breeze Hall. So things aren't going well. The guy literally can't get past the line of scrimmage. And then like we said earlier, the offense isn't working under Rogers. They're not scoring points. You know that they have the exact same number of points the Jets do in the first five weeks of this season than they did last season? How does it make you feel?

That's a tough. That's really tough. That's exactly why. 93 points. They had to change something up. That's why someone got fired. It's almost like, maybe I should fire the offensive guy. They're like, no, no, no, no, no. So you mix it. It's like, all right, O-Line's terrible.

He's not getting any room to run. The offense isn't working. And then also, they just happen to draft a fifth round running back, who does all the things that Breece can't do really well. How many rushing yards did you say fleece hall has in the last two games? 27. Joe Flacco had 22 rushing yards last week. Oh, no.

Yeah. How does it make you feel that Rico Dowdell has more rushing? yards than Brees Hall this year. I bet you that Joe Flacco run is longer than any Brees Hall run this year, too. Oh, my God. Yeah, he had a 21-yard run. I don't know, man. It's like, a lot of people are like Bailow on Brees Hall.

He's like playing enough. But if you wanted to wait a week, wait and see it, I wouldn't be opposed to that. I think you play him. I think you got to keep playing them. Maybe the post-fire bump for the offense here? I mean, look, they're playing the bills next week who are terrible against. they get shredded against the run. If he doesn't do it next week, we're in dangerous territory.

You have to play Bruce Holdvers, the bills. You have to play Bruce Holdvers, the bills. Do not bench Bruce Holdvers of those. Next up, number two on players are thinking about benching. Dude, Anthony Richardson, quarterback for the cults, who maybe he's not, D.K., is Richardson even as good as a rusher as Joe Flacko? That's a great question. In theory, I think everything is theoretical with Anthony Richardson right now.

Everything is theoretical. I have this image in my mind of what he could be, but what he has been is not good at all. through five weeks, he's the QB 26 in points per game. That's not even a starter in Superflex. He's averaging 11.5 points a game. 163 pass yards per game. That's below Deshawn Watson.

And he's averaging only 35 rushing yards a game. Only 12 designed rushes so far. And look, I admit I was advocating that they like run him more early on in the season. I don't know if I want them to do that anymore because every time he runs, he gets hurt. it's it's starting to be very, very concerning to me. Like, I've actually, in my heart, think that the cult should just play Flacco. That's where I am with Richardson. He is the youngest quarterback.

Like, he's two years younger than Jane and Daniels and lack of experience. And to your point, I think the problem is we loved him for the rushing possibility. But yeah, it's like, why would you run him for the cult? He's got this oblique injury. You're going to have Richardson come back from an injury and then immediately have him, like, all these designed rushes? That seems crazy. And he doesn't scramble either. Then you get Joe Flacco.

So, yeah. Oh, yeah, that's good. I feel like in fantasy, dude, you should start Anthony Richardson because, you know, if he runs and plays, he'll probably put up points. And if he doesn't and he gets hurt, then you have Joe Flacco on your team. You're just, you know, splitting it. He kind of, he reminds me a little bit, like the thought of him prior to the year reminds me of like the cyber truck. It's like, oh, cool. It's electric.

It's a Tesla. Yeah. And then you see like these videos of them going off road and they get stuck on like a gravel road. They can't go. They can't put the car through a car wash. You throw a baseball at the bulletproof window and the window breaks. Stop's arrows, though. I don't know, man.

I'm still hopeful for him in his career, to be clear. His skill set is too rare. They will get him developed, I believe that. But like right now, I can't play him. I just, I just am afraid of even getting hurt again. Richardson's the cyber truck is the best thing anyone said in this episode so far. That's like, yeah, we got a lot. Someone right.

I just go back to the Elon Musk. throwing a baseball at the window and it's shattering. The best. Or was it a baseball or like, it wasn't like an iron ball or something? I don't know what it was. But that other, that woman who does the minivan who just,

they have the side by side of the, the cyber truck and the cyber truck, they're like, look at this. There's like a trunk space and the woman just like opens her like Honda. Also the cyber truck's like back door and like the hood will like chop off your fingers. It's like an automatic door and stuff and it just like doesn't stop if it hits anything. Yeah, Richardson chopped off my face.

I've never understood the Tesla door handles. What's up with those? Dude, I know when you get an lift or an Uber and they have it and I'm like, I got to press it. push it in with your thumb and then kind of like, contour your fingers to grab it. This is my boomer. This is my biggest boomer take. I'm like, bring back buttons and handles.

What are we doing with all this push screen shit? Like pushing things and it just give me a handle. Why is it so difficult to do that? Why do we not? Why do we get rid of it? I completely agree. Does anyone think the Tesla handle is easier to use the next? normal door handle.

It's aerodytile. I apologize. It's aerodynamic. Who cares? For what? Well, no, someone email does this. I apologize. I don't have it in front of me. But somebody emailed this and basically said, you know how like golf balls obviously have dimples, right? Right.

And you're like, well, why is it a golf ball smooth? Oh, God. No more golf talk. I know, Dekh wants to die. But it's because a golf ball falls flies further with dimples. Oh, this was Mythbusters. Someone sentenced this. And what's his name in Mythbusters?

Adam. I don't know the Mythbusters by name. But anyway, they tested on Mythbusters that if you, you put dimples into a car, it's better with fuel efficiency. And they're like, why don't car companies do that? And the answer is because it looks stupid. It went into a hail store or something? But yeah, but it actually makes cars much more fuel efficiency.

Dimples do? Yes, but it looks dumb. So car companies don't do it. But it actually saves like a significant amount of gas. And we're going to give Elon the benefit of the doubt that these stupid handles save what? Well, that's not what I said. Okay. No, not giving him benefit of doubt.

Speaking of that, also I don't think they're too worried about looking stupid. You know, what are you talking about? No cyber checks are cool. All right. Number three here on players, you're thinking about benching.

Patrick Mahomes, the quarterback for the Chiefs. God, this one hurts my heart. I would passionately argue that there is no greater disparity in all fantasy football in a player's name value

and their actual fantasy value than Patrick Holmes. I don't think it's particularly close either. There's got to be like an actor metaphor here, Craig that you can pull out. It's like someone who was an incredible, like the best actor on the planet and then just started mailing it in with just,

I don't know, just cash in a check. You mean the last 10 years of Robert De Niro's career? Yeah, De Niro. Yeah, exactly. So Mahomes and fantasy football, I think that you think of him of like, we ranked him, you know,

we ranked him, you know, Mahomes, they were with Lamar Jackson and Jalen Hertz. In reality, I think a super fair question, rest of the season is who has more fantasy points, Patrick Holmes or Bowenicks. Because in points per game, they're basically the same. They're the same in points per game this season.

And Bo Nix will get better. Look, the Chiefs are 5-0. They're winning. They're a defensive football team. Mahomes is the most fun game manager to watch of all time. He's not throwing to lead the league in passing yards. He's not doing any of that stuff. Well, he's an ace up your sleeve late in the game too.

And that's like insanely valuable. But it's like from a fantasy point of view, it's just like brutal. In real life, Mahomes is still the most incredible quarterback I've ever seen play football. In fantasy, he honestly, if he was named anything, she would caught him for Daniel Jones. I think we'd be having this discussion today if that, if Juju had just caught that touchdown instead of like throwing it to Kailin Sanders.

No, which if you want to, if you want to think that, but I guess it's, this isn't like a recency bias thing. Mahomes has not had 18 fantasy points in a game since week 12 of last year. I know, but I'm saying he would have yesterday, whenever,

whenever it was, yeah. Upside. Like he's, he's closer to Matt Stafford each week. He's throwing to like all these guys and he's playing. really well, but that doesn't mean it is a good. Yeah, it's a good comp. I don't know. I mean, especially with Rishi Rice now officially done for the season.

Is it official? Unofficially official. A great Rishie Rice saga is over. He's got a torn LCL, which I don't know what that means, but. You don't hear a lot about that. Two percent of knee injuries are LCL apparently. Two percent of wide receiver injuries are running into their quarterback's head. Yeah. I also, wait, I'm going to disrespect Tom, Tom.

While we're on the Chiefs, the Monday to Football game, that Kelsey, you guys, saw that Kelsey did the lateral, right? Yeah. So basically that's something they practiced, but it wasn't called in the game. And Mahomes set up to the game, he told Travis Kelsey before the lateral play just to try to get and field go range.

And then Kelsey underhand shoveled the ball across the field. That was pretty cool. It looked like he was going to try and throw it overhand. And then he like, whoop. He like underhand it. Pretty impressive. But Mahom said he thought it was like talking to Sterling, which I believe is the name of his dog.

And I think it's just really funny that Travis Kelsey is just, straight up insubordinate. Wait, he was told not to do that. Mahomes was like, take care of the football. Oh. And then he did that. He was basically like, don't lateral. Mahomes said, like, talking to my dog.

That's how he talks to Kelsey. Yeah, it's like talking to my five-year-old kid. I love it. What did I literally just tell you? You just did it. You were looking at me while you did it. We've had like three laterals this season already. I'm telling you guys, I do think that in like 40 years,

I think that like it will be a very standard play and it'll start in some like, like Navy or army, but it'll work its way up. I think in 40 years it'll be very normal to see past concepts that have basically options built in. Like we have pick routes and rub routes. Oh, Carlos tells me Sterling is his daughter, not his daughter. Well, that makes sense for my analogy. Oh, God, we're lying.

Should I make a, I would like to apologize to Sterling Mahomes. I'm sorry for whatever Brittany Mahomes just tweeted at me about, I don't know the daughter. I'm sorry. I don't know the name. I don't know the name of his daughter. I mean, that's fair. That's fair.

That's a dig to his daughter, Pat. I feel like Pat should have gone after the dog. Yes. I would insulting to Sterling. It's very relatable. It's so relatable because kids will look you in the eyes and then do exactly what you're telling them not to do. Testing boundaries, you know?

Also, while we're on the Chiefs again, Taylor Swift mouth, I know, reading lips, but I think it she did mouth right when they threw the pick. Oh my God, I'm going to fucking kill myself, right? When she threw that pick, which, you know, not to make light of those things, But actually, she's clearly a real fan. That's like real fans.

That's something I think people pointed out today on Twitter is like she's locked in. Yeah. She's not just hanging out in the press box or not the press box. The luxury box is kind of like shooting the shit with her friend. She's like watching every single play hard. Yeah, the professional performer does look like she cares. Totally. You're going to get us canceled, Craig.

Well, Craig, your theory on this whole thing has been proven pretty incorrect. Where do you stand now? on the legitimacy of this relationship. Well, I believe I came around and said that I think that the relationship is real. Did I not? Did I, didn't I retract that statement? I don't remember it. Check the legend.

I think I did. I definitely remember you saying it was all faking and for show and for selling tickets. I did feel that way in the beginning, yes. And I stand by that take. Most of the time it is. The process. Trust the process. The hit percentage is still high.

Right. Just be cynical. This is the process. Number four players who think about benching, Debo Samuel, receiver for the 49ers. Debo's been quietly pretty underwhelming this year. He's got one touchdown this year. He's got four catches in his

last two games. He's the wide receiver 35. He's basically like a flex maybe on your roster right now. And the Niners are kind of putting up points. I kind of think looking into a little bit of the numbers and looking into old Debo versus New Debo, I think the biggest difference here is just like the way they're throwing

the ball and what Purdy's doing. We hit on this a little bit last year or last week, but this year Purdy is basically last in yard. after the catch. Last year he was first in yards after the catch. This year he's first in air yards, is in like throwing the ball deep a lot.

Last year he was 16th in air yards. And that's where does Debo thrive? In the Rishi Rice kind of role, catching the ball, shallow routes and, you know, picking up, racking up yards after the catch. Debo's not doing that. His yards after the catch are down 40% this year. So I think this is more of a schematic issue.

I know he also had a calf injury. Maybe that's beating him up a little bit. But yeah, basically they're not, giving the ball to Debo in the same way that he was getting it in the last few years that led him to rack up yards after the catch like crazy it's crazy to me this the debo thing and several other guys you know big name performers that are not doing well it's just like crazy to me and this is just a big picture thing why fantasy is so hard it's like one or two little variables can throw everything off in terms of like what you expect from a team and the 49ers

literally it like the inverse identity of what we expected them, where it's like all run after the catch, get the guys open in space, let him run. Literally first to last. Like, in yards after the catch. Yeah, like, that is just wild to me.

So, and that's just like one or two little variables that happened. And so, I don't know. Yeah, what do we do with Debo going forward? He does lead all receivers in rushing attempts, but he just doesn't done anything with it.

He has 15 rushes for 36 yards. I think, I mean, I think you're still playing them. You're chalking this up to like, you're going to bet on Shanahan and the offense and they're going to figure this out. maybe he is still a little bit hobbled.

Hobbled from the calf injury. The amount of mistackles he's causing her is also super down. You got to come up with a good catchphrase for Debo. Doubtful Debo? Doubtful to return, Debo? Doubtful Debo. Next step, number five players are thinking about benching. All the dolphins.

All of them. Tyree killed Jalen Waddle, Devon, A. Chan. I've been doing this. This is just Benchim until 2 is back, right? Well, I know, but I think it's, yeah, you have to bench him. to his back. And I know it's funny, I went on Bill's show Thursday before Thursday in football and it said you should probably just bench Tyree Kill for Darnell Mooney, but

then... No big deal. Darno Mooney had it. No, and I'm saying Darno Moody had a really good. So that sounded like I was hedging, but like I was trying to be insulting to Darno Mooney and he was really good. But I think that like, there's no limit to like the players you should play over these guys. Like, it's hard for us to recommend benching Tyree Kill in any circumstance. But like, I mean, Tyree Kill and Jalen Waddle and points per game since cut out week one. Like since we, and that's Two have played that week two.

Cut out week one. Tyree Kill has less points per game than Jerry Judy, Jordan Whittington, Josh Reynolds. Like that those are the people that Tyree Kill and Jalen Waddle are on par with. Like Josh Reynolds with Bonix and the Broncos. And the Dolphins offense cut out week one. They're dead last in EPA per play. They're dead last in touchdowns.

And they had a stretch of nine quarters and they had nine points. This is the worst offense in the NFL. Yeah, again, just it makes a fantasy so hard when this offense that we're so excited, about it has like all these superstar skill players is literally the worst in in football and it's not just like a quarterback issue i think there's coaching issues schematic issues like personnel issues like the thing that i've seen going around on twitter that i think is interesting is just like they're so small waddle achan and hill are all like five seven or whatever and like 180 pounds or less you know and so it's just it makes things difficult for everyone else around it's like if you're

asking these guys to block on a screen pass, it gets blown up. And it's just like, it's not just like they, you know, are struggling to get completions. It's like everything else, all the easy button stuff that they do. It just makes it harder when everyone's like so much bigger than these guys. So I, I don't know. I find the, the dolphins issues right now are really fascinating. And obviously, you know, Mike McDaniel, he's a smart guy. I think he'll figure it out. But, you know, they got to get, they got to get it going quickly. I think Tu is going to probably come back. But in the meantime, I'm just sitting these guys. I'm just waiting.

Trade for Joe Flacco right now. Man. The Balford should. Yeah, we'll see when two comes back or if he comes back. That's a whole kid of worms. Next up, players are thinking about benching. Amori Cooper for the Browns.

Amari Cooper is the most confounding person in fantasy football for like five years running. I feel like every year, I don't know what to do with Amari Cooper. I don't even when he's doing well, I'm like, I don't know if I trust him. I don't know if I can put him in my lineup. Right now, and mind you,

he was the Y Receiver 25 in pre-draft or preseason ADP. His weekly finishes in half PPR. Wide receiver 79. Wide receiver 78. Wide receiver 4. Yeah. Wait, pause there.

Because we recommended him as a by low week two. Then he was wide receiver 4 and then we bailed. Hopefully you sold it. Bylaw, baby. He went right back down. Week 3, wide receiver 4. Week 4, wide receiver 61. Week 5, wide receiver 41.

He's irrelevant out of four out of five weeks. He's a little bit 2023 Jaguars where he's had a lot of bad luck. or bad luck drop passes. I don't know if that's really bad luck or him just being bad. He is the product of the worst passer in the NFL right now. And Deshaun Watson, he has, I saw this from ESPN. He has 45% of his passes have qualified as off target, which is the highest for anyone with 40 plus targets since 2011.

Like the eye test, and I remember saying this to you guys a couple weeks ago, it's like every time Sean Watson would throw it up to Amari Cooper, it'd be like 10 feet over his head. He can't buy a easy pass. And so, Ian Hart is pointing this out. He's number one in the NFL, unrealized air yards. 487 air yards that have just like gone 10 feet over his head, you know? And so I don't think you can play him.

I think the only thing, the only thing, the other way, I think it's a huge by-low and you should keep playing him. I did two. One week out of five, he's been even remotely usable. I mean, he had an 80-yard touchdown called back. was it last week that week before he dropped that 30 yard

yeah he's probably had 150 yards of drop passes I mean literally if you just add the how many points do you get for an 80 yard touchdown in fantasy 14 points or 15 points he's like the wide receiver 20

just on that play yeah but that's like two good weeks out of five you know it's like the most volatile guy here's the thing that works in your guys's favor if you think he's a buy low upcoming schedule well that too but upcoming schedule

this week, it's at the Eagles who give up the most points to receivers. And then the Bengals who are middle of the pack and then the Ravens who give the second most points. Those are the next three games. So if you guys believe that is also good matchups, I personally am just out because I don't trust to Sean Watson whatsoever. And it seems like they're not going to move on from him. I just don't want to, I don't want to take part in that situation. The next one, number seven on players who are thinking about benching, Mark Andrews, tied in for the Ravens, who, it's stiff, snap, step, snap, because he had zeros two weeks in

row and right when everyone had made peace with benching him, but I'm sure some people had cut him. Then Mark Andrews has, what, 55 yards and like, you know, seven, they could find Fantasy Day last week, which I actually think is worse. I think it would have been better if he had just done zero again, because then at least people would be at peace. Totally. But then he has 55 yards, which sounds good. But in reality, the Ravens scored 38 points, and Mark Andrews still only ran 22 routes,

but like, Isaiah likely ran 34 routes. And so you're like, damn, should we even be impressed with Mark Andrews getting seven points at a day that Lamar Jackson and them had five touchdowns of this game. He was the third highest scoring tight end on his own team. Yeah. So like that's in a weird way. Charlie Kohler or Charlie Kohler or however you say his last name. I'll score it too.

I think Andrews, it's funny. It's weird to say benching a tight end because like for who, Hunter Henry with Drake May at quarterback. Mark Andrews though is the only guy where I feel like you should already have a decent backup because he was so bad immediately that by like week three you should have grab somebody and whoever that guy is, I would probably rather play him over Mark Andrews. I think, yeah, I think you can bench him. I think you can. And honestly, I'm just going to lump them in together. Kyle Pitts, the tight in for the Falcons. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just roll. Yeah, it's like,

yeah, we're going to do the Mark Andrews. He only runs six routes in a game two weeks ago. We can only give him like 60 seconds. But Kyle Pitts tied in for the Falcons, it's funny. They're the exact opposites. Mark Andrews, the problem is he's barely on the field, is barely running routes. Kyle Pitts's problem is he's actually on the field a ton and he ran the most routes of any tight end last he ran like 55 routes. He's just invisible. Only, still only had, though. Like, like, what do you add?

Like, cool, he had 73 yards. He hasn't done it forever. But Kirk cousins through for like 509 yards. And Kyle Fitz only had like 12 points. This was your chance. Wasn't it like top 12 or something in terms of total yards in a game? Yeah, 500 is some shit. It's hard to, it's not even necessarily easy to get 500 yards in a video game.

If you're playing the highest difficulty. Like, Kirk cousin, again, the charges don't have 500 past yards this whole year. And so you're like, oh, cool, Kyle Pitts had, what did he have? He had 88 yards. Drake London and Mooney had 100 and change. If I have to pick between Mark Andrews and Kyle Pitts, I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think I'm picking Kyle Pitts. Kyle Pitts is it right now, according to fantasy points,

Kyle Pitts is a distant fourth on his own team in first read target rate. He's just an afterthought in the offense. It's a bummer. He's there. I would, yeah. I'd rather play Pitts than Andrews, though. Number nine on players, you're thinking about benching, Rashad White running back for the bucks. Craig, you mentioned him earlier as what, just the total of zero or negative one yard gains.

I don't know. What do you say? I think Rashad White, this one hurts because, I mean, he's not obviously as high of a pick as Breeze Hall, but he was the third or fourth-term pick. So people who drafted him were like, this is my, hopefully he didn't draft him to be our RB1, but RB2 certainly. And I think the name value is still there because of what he did last year, but man, he's currently the RB 38. He's averaging 7.9 points per game and half PBR. Right around Justice Hill,

Bucky Irving is right there, his teammate. Guys in his range in terms of what he's averaging in points for game are basically usually backups, like Roshan Johnson, Braylon Allen. And so he's surviving on passing because his running has been really, really bad. He had a 50-yard run last week,

and despite that, he only has 51 rushes for 187 yards this year. basically has one good run. I saw this from Sumer Sports. His relative yards per carry, so yards per carry relative to teammates is like second worst in the NFL behind only Gus Edwards.

This was a win for the fantasy community that Rashad White is bad. Don't you think? Like everybody collectively agreed that last year was a fluke. Because they didn't have anyone else. Right. And it was like this guy's not good.

He was just there and you can't trust that. Like the second they get another guy who's even half decent, Rashad White will become irrelevant very quickly and literally all of that happened. And I mean, last week he had three catches for negative six yards. Like he's not even getting there in the air. They face the Saints next, the Ravens after that,

and then the Falcons, all three good teams, good defenses against running backs. So, I mean, I'm giving you permission to bench him and feel fine about it. He might have a big game. I acknowledge that, but like, I feel pretty confident just like not having it in my lineup right now. He's like moving down on the bench even on your roster. He's like one of the final two guys on the bench.

He's at the end of the bench. He's not in any on deck circles for your roster right now. Similar story, Calvin Ridley, receiver for the Titans. It sucks because in week two, he looked amazing. He used wide receiver four in week two. But the week after that, week three, wide receiver 102, week four, wide receiver 87. Like, he's been irrelevant.

He's got two passes for 14 yards in the last two games. Two passes for 14 yards. I mean, as long as Will Lovis is playing, you can't associate with Will Levis. I don't know if I can name a 102 wide receivers. Let's do it right now. Let's use these two minutes. Go. I think the problem for Ridley is, obviously, number one, the environment is awful.

The quarterback situation in Tennessee is not very good right now. And they're running the hell of the ball in their last game. They ran it 40 times for 142 yards. And I think that's going to be sort of their identity. They're not going to pass a bunch. But also, they're increasing the snobled. for DeAndre Hopkins, which is kind of cut into Ridley's role. He had basically the, he was the number one guy the first couple of weeks.

And now with Hopkins out there, Hopkins, he does this every year. He's done this every year in his career. It's just who he is. He commands targets. He's really good at commanding targets. It's just like who he is, everywhere he goes. And Ridley's not really that guy. So I honestly, like, I would just sit him at this point.

He has the name value to me still. that's pretty strong where I'm like, man, it's weird sitting Calvin Ridley, but at this point, like, you just can't trust this offense. You gave me an idea with the 102 receivers who outscored Calvin Ridley in week two or three, whatever it was. You give me it every week when we do two tight ends in a lie with Kyle Pitts. We should make a sporkle of all the tight ends who outscored Kyle Pitts. What's a what's a sporkel?

What's a Sporkel? I've never played Sporkel. I guess the generation missed it. Sporkel was like the most incredible way to win. waste time during when you were in class. The New York Times should have purchased Sporkel. Yeah, they really should have. Sporkel.

DK., email us at Ringer Fantasy Football at gmail.com if you want to talk about Sporkel. Is it too late for me to get into Sporkel? No. Sporkel is an incredible site. Can I do it? Well, I'm too old. Craig, am I too old for this?

No. Not at all. Sporkel, oh my God. Sporkel's like you name stuff. Yeah, Craig, you want to explain? I mean, Sporkel is just a giant website of essentially, like, trivia. Oh, I like trivia. All through, like sports, pop culture, entertainment.

It'll be things like, name every team in the MLB in two minutes. Or it'll be like, name every river in America in five minutes. That's like a map. I don't like that. No, it's fun. You would like, it's name every battle in World War II. Yeah, yeah. You could do ones you like.

How big was the bulge? Yeah, how big was the bulge? No, it's not like that. We don't have to put two minutes on the clock, but Craig, real quick, just Steelers. I feel like belong here, too. I'm just players with me. I mean, Mike Tolman basically kind of shadow bench. George Pickens. I feel like the Steelers could be on this list too.

And now he's kind of trying to like, Pickens is trying to talk up Mike Tomlin. He was just on Schefter's podcast being like, Tomlin's the best. Pickens was? That's a pretty good get. Nice word. Shefter has some pull. Schefter, he must know some people. 35 million followers on Twitter? I don't know.

I'll just read you two Steelers stats for Najee Harris and George Pickens. Nagy Harris is the only running back in the league with more than 55 carries without a touchdown. George Pickens is the only wide receiver in the league with 23 catches or more without a touchdown. Are they benching fields? Where are we at in the field situation?

No, they're not going to be in. Because Russell Wilson is now, I think, healthy. I don't think they're going to bench him just yet. If they bench him, I would trade for fields because he'll play again. Russell get hurt again. So looking at this whole list, I think that players you should bench are... Oh, wait, can I just say, I think you should bench Najee Harris, like 100%. I see, I would say bench versus bilos.

People I still think are bylaws. I think Najee Harris is a by low. I think Breece Hall's a by low. I think Anthony Richardson's a by low. Debo, I think it's a by-low. Debo and the Dolphins, especially if they're on a team that has one and four, and you think you're going to make the playoffs. And then teams that, guys that I think you just,

you have to bench the Dolphins still, too, it comes back. If you can wait there, get them. I think Mark Andrews might just be bad. Mahomes is a bench. I think Mahomes is actually a bench. I think Rashad White is a bench. I think Andrews is a bench. Kyle Pitts depends on your situation.

I think the other guys, at Breeze Hall, you have to play this week. Do not bench Breeze Hall. And I think, Najee, you bet. And George Pickens, you could argue benching. It's just crazy the Steelers can't run. Well, Fields could run, but yeah, he's getting all the touchdowns. All right, you guys want to do a little fantasy court? I guess.

Yeah. Yeah, let's do it. All right. All right. The fantasy court is in session, and we are here for the plaintiff today's name, Joel. Joel. Joel says, I'm the commissioner of a fantasy league, and in one of the matchups this week, this is before Monday in football.

He emailed us. Team A is losing to Team B by 3. points. Team A only has Harrison Butker at kicker left in the matchup. Team B is done. So the only player in this matchup is Harrison Butker. And so team A will obviously win because Harrison Buckker only needs three points. Then a bombshell trade happens. Team A, A, team B for Travis Etienne, aka Team B was like, I'll give you Travis ETN if you just will take the L this week. Like they traded ETN for a win. Interesting.

Which I've never heard of, actually. Wow. Yeah. So basically Team B gave away ETN to lock in a win. And Team A basically took a donut, a kicker, took the L, gets ETN. And relatedly, Blake Groupie, the Saints kicker was on a roster so that they just got it done. But one, basically the group chat was going nuts against the integrity of the game. What do you guys think of the game?

The integrity of the game. Is it bad that at first glance, I don't think I have an issue with this? I'm the same, Craig. I don't think so either. I think that's creative. And that's like, you're trading, it's not like you're colluding

against someone else. You're literally giving up the win to get a player that you think is going to be good. Because you know what I think is interesting about it. I think I know that it's fair because you could so passionately make an argument that it's against the spirit of the game

on both sides. Because you can't give away ATN for a kicker. That's unbalanced. But the other person's like, you're taking a loss on purpose. Like if you're giving away ETN for a win, like, yeah, I think it's totally kosher.

So usually once the week begins, you're usually not allowed to conduct a trade, right? Like it actually won't go through until Tuesday. So how did they do that? Well, it depends on the platform. I also would say that if I think most leagues like they have the two-day review period, but I'm in a bunch of leagues where it's like you can process it when they go. Like 99% of trades, I think, are not actually a problem with vetoes. And so you process it as you go.

Oh, I thought even even in that case, I thought if it's between, you know, 10 a.m. on Sunday and the Monday night game, they won't allow it. But I guess even in that, you could still just like bench Harrison Bucker and trade him the next day and it would be like a handshake deal. I think it's part of the terms. Yeah, and I think that's probably with the group chats. Like part of the terms is like you would not play. Which side do you guys like in this trade?

I kind of feel like the guy who got the W gets the better end of this. Because ETN is kind of like losing his job. Yeah, ATN might suck. It's funny to be kind of added. Yeah. We should. That's an interesting conversation. We should like apply wins, like win values to players.

Like how many wins is ETH? E.T.N. worth? Is he worth one win this season? Probably not. Doug Peterson would say, thank you to, Doug Peterson clearly doesn't think he's worth wins. Collectively, are we saying this is fine then? Yes. Okay. So there's a part two, Jolie Mildberg. Oh, okay.

As previously stated, Team A traded away Harrison Bucker for Travis E.N to seal the loss in exchange for E.TN. Has new information? Little did we know that was all a smokescreen for another bombshell move. Oh. Right afterward, Team A, who had just traded away. Butker for Travis E. TN. Then traded away. Trey Servin, the Colts running back

for Blake Groupie, the Saints kicker. And reminder, the team A was down three points. So he plugged in Groupie to have it both ways. So he go and then gets the win, plays Grouping, wins and then gets ETN anyway. Wow. So he won anyway. Yeah.

Yeah. I believe. He won and got E.T.N. What was Team B doing? No, because so the... This is the risk you run if your team B. It's with a third player. It's with a third person. So yeah, wait, groupie finished with, yeah. Oh, oh, it's a third person. I see. Sorry. Yeah, so Groupie came from Team C. No, no, wait. Well, actually, well, actually, well,

Grupy actually had no field goals and missed an extra point. So I think he lost. Oh, which is hilarious. Oh, wow, that is funny. But they emailed us before the game. Who had Groupie? Some third person, some random person. But the two people playing each other made the ETN for Bucket trade. And they're like, all right. And then he turned around and traded sermon for like, groupie. I kind of respect that. Yeah.

But it's kind of like ball don't lie because Groupie. He didn't he couldn't get three points off grouping. I respect the wheeling and dealing, though. I think that's also sick. Like if you stout, like if the other person's going to, basically he was saying that the person who gave away butker through a hissy fit.

And I'm kind of like, no, you're saying, oh, we should be able to make a trade in the middle of this matchup. You're just mad the other guy was smart enough to trade for grouping. Yeah, you didn't. There was no like parameters to this trade that

that guy can't make more trades for a kicker. Yeah. Yeah. It's very cunning and mischievous. but it's, I guess it's technically not illegal. It's like it's like a Tommy Shelby plan. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean?

You're like, actually, I've arranged a marriage with the Lee family. I think this. I respect. So do we establish that he didn't actually win though? No, he didn't. That's kind of a bummer. Yeah, he actually got zero points. I think the universe did what it needed to by having Team A lose.

That was correct. Because I do think it was a little shady what he did. Very, Machiavellian, yes, a little shady. I think actually everything here happened correctly. I think that, yeah, I think that, yeah, let everything be. Everything worked out as it should. Everyone kind of learned their lesson. I don't see anything.

I don't see anything illegal here. Who's the biggest winner out of this? I think the guy who got the W ultimately still won. Like, in terms of the full season. The guy who gave up ETN, but still won? Because I think a win is valuable. It's probably more valuable than ETN the rest of the year. Especially if you're talking about, like, you know, the difference between having

two wins. Like if you're at like one and three, you know, you're going to Bengal style fold a one and four. ETA, like I, yeah, I would give up ETA. Yeah, Blake Groupie, he scored one point. Fuck, that's so good. P.A.T. Oh, I bet the group chat was on fire when, oh my God. When Groupie missed the extra point and that's electric. Didn't kick a vehicle. That's so electric. The universe. Oh, my God.

See, that's what, sometimes I believe there is a higher power instance. I know. that. It's the intervenes in fantasy football. Divine intervention. Let's get, let's just some emails right now. Although email, honestly, this is an Instagram. And again, we have Instagram. Follow us at Ringar Fantasy Football on Instagram and TikTok. We have of Ringer Fantasy Football. Putting up a bunch of clips from this show. It's a ton of fun. And then also obviously subscribe to Ringer NFL here on YouTube. But yeah, Ringer Fantasy football on Instagram and speak in Instagram. A lot of people email this about this, tag this. We have to discuss the Bill Belichick Instagrams with his girlfriend. Do we?

Well, no, but I want to. He's dressed like. like a hipster. He's got a Taylor Swift sweatshirt. He looks like a 72 year old man. I think he looks kind of, he looks kind of swaggy. I agree. He looks kind of rugged. So the Instagram posts is, yeah, summation of summer, but there's all these other ones. There's them in Italy and then the one of the golf. The one of them in Florence here or whatever, that one's not selling it for me. That one gives me the ick. The first one I'm like, Bill, check, okay, I can kind of see what's happening here. He looks kind of cool. The one in Italy is like, I went and visited my daughter who's studying abroad.

I'm pretty sure I have a picture of me standing in this exact location where Belichick is with the... Was this like the Pontavecchio? I can't remember where it is. I think it's a museum. Also, is there someone that's commenting on every single picture? The top comment on every single picture is, damn, my boy Bill clapping that. Oh.

On every single picture. D.K., this is the one live show we do. Oh, wait. Jesus, D.K. It's a scroll. So it's the same one. I'm dumb. But it is the top comment.

I didn't write it. Look. Well, you read it. That's the problem. I'm an idiot that it is a scroll, though, so it's not everyone. I thought this guy was going and commenting on every single picture. That was pretty boomer. Not going to lie.

Yeah, yeah. No, I know how to use Instagram. Have you guys seen the woman who was dating Al Pacino and is now dating Bill Maher? Get out of here. Yeah. She's 30 years old. And she's formerly dated Mick Jagger and like a bunch of other European billionaires. I think she dated Clint Eastwood.

She's like prolific. She's like the Mahomes of dating old dudes. It's pretty good. It's good work. Yeah. Nora Alfala is her name. A couple other emails here. Alex, we asked about OBE, an MBE.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm actually curious about this. So in short, twice a year, the king or queen gives out honors to list a recognize people. Robert Salah, given out honors. Yeah, exactly. But yeah, so the top is the GBE, which is a knight or dame. And then there's KBE and DBE, which is a knight or dame, but that's like Sir David Attenborough and Dame Judy Dench.

Then there's CBE, which is commander of the most excellent order of the British Empire. That's like Stephen Hawking. Then OBE is officer of the most excellent order of the British Empire, David Beckham or Tommy Shelby. Then there's MBE member of the most excellent order of the British Empire like Ed Shearin. And that's Paul Hollywood. He's an MBE. How do you get the top on her to be a night?

So Alex continues. I had no idea that GBE. is higher than a standard knighthood or damehood existed until I looked at just now. They don't play that one up. I assume it's given to aristocracy and they just get them for existing. So it ranks higher than the common or the guarded knighthood. It's grand knighthood basically. I don't know what any of this stuff means.

But basically, there's just honors. Titles, titles, titles. Titles, titles. But anyway, Paul McCartney got an NBA for being contributing to music, but then he kept contributing to music and given way to charity. So he got upgraded to Sir Paul McCartney. It sounds like when you go to buy a car and there's five levels of it.

Oh. This email's from Eric. Eric. He wrote about ancient wisdom. He says, as Craig and he talked about how heif, I'm hyphen, it's Craig and I are basically just grappling with aging. And it's not going to. So he said, as you age and grapple with your mortality, I'd like to share some poetry that's

comforted me at times to help you navigate what it means to grow older. And I'm sure D.K. can speak to this as a man. And he says, as I am in my upper 40s, I can speak to this. And he sent this poem, you have so many relationships in life, but only one or two will last. You go through all this pain and strife and then you turn your back and they're gone so fast. So hold on to ones who really care. In the end, they'll be the only ones there. And when you get old and lose your hair, tell me who will still care. Can you tell me who will still care? Those are the words to imbop. Is that true? Those are those lyrics. Those are the lyrics to imbop.

mbub. I'm really happy that there was a joke there because I was literally just like shaking my head in disapproval of this quote. It's like, what is this? Why are we talking? Let's get back to the girl who dated all the billionaires. Again, Pacino, Mick Jagger, Bill Maher,

European billionaires. Mick Jagger has to be the best at sex of all those people, right? Like, it's not even close. Still? I would bet my life that Big Jagger is, better in bed than Bill Moore. Mick Jagger's put in his 10,000 hours probably before he was 30. Oh, yeah.

Generational. Even more exciting than the billionaire sex. Podcast awards. Shout out John Richter, who does this show here with us on the YouTube live and he shouts it out. And I just want to shout at Richter who has this podcast, Transmissions from Colony One. And he's up for the Signal Awards, most innovative audio experience. And you can go vote.

And we can toss this in the episode description. But go vote at the Signal Awards for Richter's podcast for most innovative audio experience. shout out Richter doing the show for us. Hell yeah. Go vote. Thank you. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig.

Thank you, Carlos and Kai for producing this episode. Thank you, Richter. Thank you, everyone for listening. Emails at Rear Fantasy Football at Gmail.com about, I'm afraid you know what to email us about. You know, the emails about the McJagger and the billionaire. And, yeah, email us about this whole thing.

Thank you, Lorne. Lorne. Thank you, Mick Jagger and or the Rolling Stones. I think he does some solo stuff. They're still working. They got the new album. They're still, they're still, you got to stay busy when you become an octogenarian. Yeah, it's crazy.

They're still touring. There's a lot of old acts that are still touring. It's really, really impressive. I mean, Keith Richards. Dude, how is he alive? He should be studied, genuinely. Yeah, his blood. Big tech.

Get into that. All those movies where they're like, yeah, put me in cry out till it turned out just Keith Richards' blood. Yeah, they're like, they're doing research on like the, you know, what are the, the Greenland shark or whatever that lives to be like 500 years old? Yeah. Human Greenland shark. Yeah. Same deal. It's just crazy. People, you can eat as healthy as you want your whole life, exercise, still die of a heart attack in your 60s.

That's the cruel irony of life. Keith Richards has been having unprotected sex and taking as many hard drugs as you can count since he was 18 years old, since he was 16 years old probably. And he's still performing on stage. Heroin and Sigs and he's just doing fine. It's crazy. We don't know anything about the body. We know nothing.

He's definitely the definition of like if, you know, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Oh, wait. you know what? This is long, but I'm still going to mention it. Have you guys seen the videos? Have we talked about Frankie Valley? Oh, yes. I had no idea what that is. What is Frankie Valley? You know, you know the singer Frankie Valley? No. You do. You definitely know Frankie Valley in the four seasons. He sings the Greece song. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You just watched Greece. Frankie Valley is still performing. He's doing live concerts. They're just playing his tracks from like

1968. And he's standing on stage. Like he, you want to talk about Park and Bark? Like he is redefining Park and Barck. Like he is redefining Park and He's barely even moving his lips. I feel so awkward for the backup singers. I don't know if, like, his family is making him do this to make more money. I don't understand, but it is the weirdest thing I've ever seen on stage. He's 90. He's just standing there like a mummy and is he singing?

He literally just stands there. He's got like big eyes. He's got like work done on his face. So he kind of is just like still. He's like frozen. And his lips barely move. He almost looks like a Chucky Cheese robot. Do you think that he's dead and his family's propping him up like Weekend of Bernie style?

No, because he's walking. He's like, he's walking back and forth a little bit. But you should check it out. If you got, everybody listening, go on TikTok, Instagram. Look up Frankie Valley concert. I like couldn't watch it because like there's four singers doing like the main part of the song and then they part ways and like Frankie Valley comes up. And I just feel so like awkward.

I can't watch it. I'm like, I can't watch this. This is too hard to watch. It's the weirdest thing I've ever seen. email us at ring and fantasy football at g-mail.com. Oh, you know, I actually, I just heard that Bill Maher's girlfriend is now dating Frankie Valley. Get the... Goodbye, everyone.

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