The Ringer NFL Show - Saquon’s Payday, Mock Tub Time Machine, and Reading to Your Kids

Episode Date: March 5, 2025

The guys first react to Saquon Barkley’s record-breaking contract extension with the Eagles and discuss where he stands amongst the best free-agent signings of all time (3:06). Next, they hop in the Mock Tub Time Machine and come to you from the future with the 2025 NFL draft results! They take a look at DK’s updated mock draft and discuss where standout guys like Abdul Carter, Travis Hunter, Ashton Jeanty, Shedeur Sanders, and more ended up (16:16). Check out our 2025 Ringer NFL Draft Guide here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Troy Farkas Producers: Kai Grady and Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello there, friends of the program. It's Tate Frazier, and it's officially that special time of the year where we go on a March through Madness Together for the 85th edition of the NCAA tournament. What makes March so special, you ask? Well, it's the unknown. It's the fact that this is basically Survivor on a basketball court on CBS without Jeff Probst. And no matter how much you prepare, you can not predict this kind of chaos. And that is what we will be covering on this podcast, one shining podcast, all the madness,

all the David versus Goliath personified. It's the best show in town. The ball is tipped. And here you are with us. Come listen and join us wherever you get your podcast. Welcome to the Ringer NFL draft show. My name is Danny Hyphen. I'm joined by Danny Kell and Craig Horlebeck.

And today we're going to tell you exactly what happens in the 2025 NFL draft because all the other mock drafts are just guessing. But luckily, we have good news. We have actually gone to the future. We've traveled to Friday, April 25th, the day after the first round of the draft. It was yesterday. We know exactly what happened. We're coming back.

We're going to tell you what's going to. unfold with 100% certainty. I can see it on Craig's face. Craig is still buzzing from Sandigo State winning March Madness early this month. Isn't that right, Craig? Oh my goodness. Can you imagine? We got close two years ago if we did it again. But yes, we are luckily for everyone listening, you can place a lot of money on whatever we're about to tell you today because it is correct. Don't really do that for the record. But we got in the hot tub. We got in the hot tub time machine and we got to see the future. It's amazing. Yeah, come on in. Water's fine. So again, if you want the 100% accurate what's going to happen.

DK's real draft. It's not having a mock draft. It's an actual just real draft. NFLDraft.com for all 32. We're going to rebrand it. Just the draft. Just the draft draft. It's just draft reactions.

Mocktub time machine, baby. So, yeah, we're just going to go through all this. And again, it already happened. So we're good. And just to big picture here in this list that DK's transcribed, it really happens. 13 of the 32 picks in the first round are defensive line. your tackles or edge rushers, pass rushes, whatever.

But that's 40% of the first round is just defensive line. It's just like everyone's just going to be able to convince themselves. They're copying the Eagles and just building like an awesome line, but everyone's doing it. It's funny because, yeah, I think usually the draft following a Super Bowl, especially when it's a dominant team like the Eagles, there's always going to be copycats. Like, oh, we got to build our roster just like the Eagles did or whoever it is, whoever won the Super Bowl. And the Eagles obviously built through the trenches, have incredible depth,

especially at the past rush positions. And this is the perfect draft for that. So I can see a ton of teams just deciding they're going to, you know, even taking these types of players over positions of stronger need, just building defensive line, strength on strength on strength. That was the Eagle story. And they're really good on the offensive line as well. And this is a pretty good offensive line class too.

So meat and potatoes draft, lots of trenches, guys. That's a grit. We're going to get through all, again, all the picks that actually happened. But first, we're going to go through something that happened today back March 4th, to 2025, the Philadelphia Eagles, speaking of the Eagles, have re-signed Sequin Barclay to an extension. I've never seen this. The NFL itself just tweeted out the contract.

I've never seen anything like that. They did this specifically to troll hyphids, I think. I can't, this is unbelievable. So I, this sucks, man. So the Eagles running back signed, Sequin Barclay has signed a two-year extension worth $41 million with $36 million guaranteed. For context, his entire old contract was worth $36 million total. What was his contract?

Was it a two-year deal? 12 million years 37 million 3 37 Wow But only 26 guaranteed Yeah Sequin was making 12 million a year And now he's going to make over 20 million a year

So what is that? That's like a 75% raise For Seekon $20 million running back I believe right So one as a Giants fan I think the Giants should just commit Sapuku Like I just

I mean as a franchise Now is when you do it The extension of Sequan is the final straw You got to do it sometime I don't know man Just get around to it But I will say I'll step outside of my sad Giants fandom for like one moment and they'll get back into it.

I was thinking about this and I'm like, at what point do we just have to wear as Sequin and the best for agent signings ever? Like if you just go through the list of the best signings ever. I know, it really did work out just fabulously for the Eagles and for Seiquon in particular. Offensive player of the year, 2,000 yards, most rushing yards ever in a full season, including playoffs, won the Super Bowl. And then you look through the list, it's a lot of quarterbacks. So it's like Tom Brady, bucks, 2020 to win the Super Bowl.

Peyton Manning to the Broncos. They make two Super Bowls. They win one. Drew Brees to the Saints. Like those are all great ones. Kurt Warner, go to the Rams. I don't know if that one really counts. I think the quarterbacks you have to put to the side.

But if you look at non-quarterback free agent signings, it's basically like Reggie White to the Packers who won a Super Bowl. He was the first real free agent signing. Dionne Sanders, San Francisco 49ers signed a one-year deal with the Niners. One defensive player of the year, Niners won the Super Bowl with Dion Sanders. And then I think Sequin's like right there. Like this is. like an all-time transaction.

Yeah, I was going to say in terms of just fame and the amount of times he's touching the football, the amount of times you say his name during a broadcast, I think this is definitely up there because I would say like there's, you know, we could go deeper into the list and find guys that are big impact players, you know, pass rushers here and there or whatever, that have signed as free agents and made a huge impact. But in terms of just fame and being the focal point of an offense or whatever, I think this is definitely up there. it's just funny

and I'm not doing this to be mean but like the contrast from going to the giant from the giants where he was fun to watch but absolutely made zero impact almost. It's like just it's just a sad sack situation and then going to the Eagles where he's leaping

over guys backwards, finding rush lanes that like only maybe no other running backs could find in terms of just like hitting these 60 yard touchdowns and completely just revolutionizing their offense more or less. It's pretty cool. It's pretty crazy. How many years was he on the Giants? Was it four? 20. He was drafted in 2018.

So five years and he was injured a handful of times. This might be the shortest amount of time that a player has been on a new team where when you think back on them, you think of that team instead of the old team. Like, Seekwon has only played 21 games with the Eagles and he played 90 with the Giants. And I am already at the point where when I think of Seekoine, Barkley's career. If you just say the name Sey Juan Barclay to me, the first image I think of is him in green, not in blue.

Oh my God, you're right. Brutal. He's not a giant. Like, he's not a giant in my head. I'm like, oh, Sequin, that's an eagle. Yeah. He'll go into the Hall of Fame as an eagle. Yeah. He was on the Eagles for six years. The Giants. Because you know sometimes I don't remember any of it. People, you know, sometimes winning a title with a team doesn't necessarily

stick in your brain. Like, when you think of Kevin Durant, you don't think of a warrior. Like, I still think of him as a thunder. I think of him as a Sonic. As a Sonic, yeah. But Sequin, one year with the Eagles, one the Super Bowl, Sequin is an eagle in my mind. That's really upsetting because you're right. No, I mean, I just heartbra. Again, I don't have many memories of Sequin on the Giants. I have like five of him on the Eagles and he's only played one season.

You know what the one bright spot, though? Thank God the Giants. The Asteroids coming? Yeah, the asteroid. But also, thank God the Giants didn't like film a reality television show where they filmed themselves telling Sequin Barclay they weren't interested and they were going to give his money to Devin Sincleton. You know, we didn't talk about UNC and

Belichick. Snip Snap. It was good. Hard Knox was going to, well, again, this whole there is a myth. That's the other thing about Sequin of the Eagles. Like, yeah, we can talk about the extension. Frankly, the running back market. I'm like, I'm a little bored by that. I'm like, all right, yeah, running back's clearly more valuable than we thought when you add him to a great offensive line. Derek Kennedy also had the quietest, just 900 yards

ever. No one even talks about it. I know. But like, Seekwon, amazing season, $20 million you deserves it. But like, I really do think that this is going to be an all-time thing we remember in the NFL because there's a mythology around it already. And like it's not just the Giants let him go, but the Hard Knocks filming it. The Giants, no one's ever going to do Hard Knocks. The Hard Knocks off-season thing, which was a better show that Hard Knocks training camp.

They literally left the NFL. No NFL team would do it. So now they're doing it for a college team. They were going to go to the Bell and check. Yeah, they canceled it. Yeah. The deal fell through. Yesterday.

Last night it came out. Last night, the deal fell through. and that they're not, they couldn't decide over editorial control, which to me makes sense, I think Belichick maybe wanted whatever. But I made sense for everyone to do hard knocks. The NFL being like, no thanks. Hard knocks going to UNC.

UNC getting the press of like, hey, watch Belichick work. Like, I actually was impressed when Belichick and UNC, my initial reaction was that makes sense for Belichick because, you know, Sun Tzu, Art of War, his whole thing is, there is, the strategy is no strategy. The NFL, he didn't want media attention, but in college recruited, you need immediate attention. So I was like, oh, he, maybe he,

will open it up and the whole thing was just he didn't think it served him but he's fine with media attention if he thinks it helps him and then the deal falls through it i'm like that's a huge opportunity for them it was an editorial control dispute i still feel like college it's still a little murky everything that goes on behind closed doors i feel like with college even though nil is a little bit more public now i still feel like unc would need to have complete editorial control to determine what gets on camera what doesn't so if it was HBO who wanted the final signature on what what makes it on the big screen I kind of understand on college

passing out. I mean, we'll see. They don't want the NCAA crawling up their ass. Yeah, I feel like there's still a lot going on. That's what leaked, though, is,

I mean, it's not like the NFL teams didn't have editorial control. That's the irony with the Giants. The Giants could have not showed any of that. Like, I mean, the rate,

when the Readers did the season, Antonio Brown and his feet were burned. They didn't show anything of substance. Like, these teams never show anything of strategic substance. You're hearing about the 52nd guy in the roster,

really the 60th guy in the roster getting cut. Like, so again, I it's like a fever dream like the Giants drafted like the most exciting running back like I've ever seen and then they called them and they were like we're not going to offer you a contract because we don't want to insult you so if you get an offer

calls back it's still kind of wild to me that the Eagles were the team that signed him because for the longest time it was you know they adhered to the philosophy of only investing in like the high profile or the the lucre or the sort of what are the What's the word of the word? Premium positions. Yeah. And basically you don't spend a ton of money on fungible positions like a linebacker or running back or whatever. But the Eagles, once you've done all that, like I feel like the Eagles already did all that. It's like they're good in the trenches. But the Eagles are part of their deal is, yes, they zig when everyone else is zagging. They're ahead of the curve. And also like he didn't make very much money. They didn't even have to give him that much money. That's the wild thing. The Eagles bought the dip with Seekwon. So like the last time they won the Super Bowl, their running backs to believe was J. Ajai was the starting running back

for the Eagles when they won in 2017. Like they were the like, almost 10 years ago, the Eagles were like, we're not going to pay a bunch of money for a running back. I love the fact that Gabe Dave was like making more money than Saquan. That's the thing. When they're like, Gabe Davis is making more money in Saquan Barclay.

It's like the Eagles are like, I think this has gone a little too far. We'll give them Gabe Davis money. You know, I feel like the lesson here, though, if you're another NFL team, the lesson is not go get a really good running back. I actually think that's pretty like overly simplified. The lesson is still develop the trenches, build the trenches,

and then you can get a really awesome running back, and it will work out. But just drafting Ashton Jentie behind a shitty offensive line is just doing what the Giants did, not what the Eagles did. A hundred percent. It's the, it's the reward of a lot of hard work investing in the offensive line. And the Eagles, not just investing in offensive line, but also they have Jeff Stoutland, who's like probably the best offensive line coaching the entire game right now.

And he's really also the offensive coordinator in a way. And so he's developed. I mean, he made Jordan Mila who had barely played football into one of the best right tackles in the, or sorry, left tackles in the entire NFL. And so as my voice is dying, my body's shutting down from the sake one is.

But no, I think you're totally right, Craig. It's the same thing with the lines to Jemir Gibbs, where Jumeer Gibbs looks awesome at time in Detroit. All right. Well, well, they put like three first round picks into that offensive line. Like, that helps. And, you know, and so the Ravens, like having Lamar Jackson,

like developing Lamar Jackson, taking a shot on him. He makes Derek Henry's job easier. So it is the fruit of it, but the same time is also, the mistake the Giants made to me was, and this is the thing that I lose my mind over and I'm sorry to rant,

but the leadership, the cap, the Giants came in and they're like, we don't want to pay these premium positions. Dave Gettleman just invested in these weird positions. So the Giants that want to pay Julian Love. All the good players are at like non-premian positions. Yeah. Julian Love was a captain on the defense.

And like he went to the Seahawks and he's like worth where they should have kept him. Xavier McKinney was a captain and play caller on defense, went to the Packers, was leading to the NFL interceptions most of the way through the year. Like, Sechon was a captain, beloved in the locker room left. It's like all the leadership,

all the good positions they didn't pay where it's like, you know, like the ideally you want to pay premium positions, but I also, if you're doing it and you're not getting, you can't replace them with talent. Like you do need to retain talent on some level. And then ideally you want to retain the talent.

If you have talent at a defensive end or running back, keep the defensive end. But what's the choice? Again, it was like Drew Locke. They brought in Drew Locke. He didn't play.

He wasn't even the backup quarterback. That's $5 million right there. What are you doing? Oh my God. And then Drew Locke cost you Cam Ward. And then he cost us the number one pick. The irony, the ultimate, like, taking the ass.

And so with all that said, literally, do you know the only thing that brings me any solace? Is it wouldn't have mattered. If the Giants resigned Sequin, they would have won, literally maybe one more game, maybe zero. When you love something, you have to let it go. I mean, it sucks that. The Eagles particularly sucks.

It would be way cooler if Saigon was just like on a random, if you went to the Chargers and they won the Super Bowl. But you have to be happy for them ultimately. I think the worst part of the whole thing You know, the worst part of the whole thing is I know so many Eagles fans And they're all not even shit eating grins They're genuinely like, thank you

He's such a wonderful person to root for him. So happy he's in my life Like a genuine handshake, thank you. They feel bad for me Which is so much worse than being mean about it. It is. The other thing, the other piece of context I think is interesting here is

And I guess he's probably a little bit older than Christian McCaffrey was when he went to the 49ers. But like there's some parallels with McCaffrey going to the Niners and sort of, you know, being a force multiplier for that offense in a way that he never was for the Panthers. But going back, the 49ers had to trade a second, third, and a fourth in one year end, a fifth round pick in the next year.

Like the Eagles just signed Sequin Barclan free agency. And this is what happened. And this is, that's what you just said is the sin. I actually don't think the Giants getting rid of Seekone is a huge issue. Should have traded it. Well, that's the thing. There's two options. Well, three, the Giants, you can either trade him at the trade deadline to, like, the bills.

And, like, again, the Giants got nothing for him because they signed John Runyon Jr. Free Agency. They didn't get a compensatory bet. Oh, thank goodness. Giants got nothing for Sequin Barkley. So you could either trade him at the deadline for picks or you sign him. You could even franchise tag him and try to trade him. The Giants did DoorD, nothing.

You know why? Joe Shane said it on Hard Knocks. The franchise tag negotiations and the media attention exhausted him. and it made his life horrible, and he was tired of it. And they were too tired to do the job, which is pathetic. This is why I don't make that many trades in dynasty. He says on camera, I can't handle the tag thing again. He can't do it.

Thanks, Joe. Oh, my God. Get something for him. That is so brutal. This is, it's like the, it's the Luca thing. I didn't have the energy. I don't have a time. I can't be talking to all kinds of teams.

You want me to call 28 teams? You ever made 28 phone calls? You got a call and time for calls. And they got a tag. text you after the call. My God. Anyway, all right. By the time I call 28 teams, Luke will be 10 pounds heavier by that.

I got to move quick. Anyway, so there's Sequin. I'm honestly, Eagles fans. It's actually funny how much we've talked about Seekwon this year. He deserves better. Well, he had the most rushing yards ever. Ever for a season. And then won the Super Bowl.

Jumped over a guy backwards. Did the craziest football player I've ever seen in a field. Okay. Let's get to the draft that just happened. And again, just remind everyone, this is the mock tub time machine. Like, this already happened. Like, you know, so we're just recapping the first round. DK.K.

Do you like that movie? I feel like you love Hot Tub Time Machine. Oh, yeah. I do. I think it's a lot of fun. That's a movie. Did you not like it? No, no, no.

I just like, I never really had a dedicated moment where I sat down and I think I watched the whole movie. It was just kind of always on like TBS and I would turn it on and catch parts. But I don't really have like a strong grasp of like the moment I watched Hot Tub Time Machine. Same. I also have the same. I've seen the first 40 minutes with TBS commercials. And then it was like, oh, like, they're in the ski resort.

It's cool. And then he meets his mom and she's hot. And then I don't remember what happens. Right. I mean, I would not put it in like the pantheon of all time great comedies by any means. But I think it is a fun movie to watch. I'll put it that way. It makes me laugh.

Great title. Amazing title. It's like they like break the fourth wall. And he's like, it's like a hot tub time machine. Like look into the camera. I remember the trailer better than I remember the absurd title. The absurd concept. It's really funny though.

John Cusack? Come on. Craig Robinson. Yeah. I feel like the cast is B level. It's like they clearly this script, they didn't think it had that much juice. So they were like, we'll give it to Rob Cordy, kind of a late stage, John Cusack. Yeah. The other guy, who's the other dude, the white guy with the glasses? I never know that guy. I don't know. I don't know his name. He's funny. Is he the energy vampire? No. He's just another plain looking white guy. He's just a guy. His name is Clark Duke. He's actually really funny. I think he's funny. He's been in a couple of movies. Clark Duke. Clark Duke. It would not have expected that to be his name. Yeah, it's like he was in sex drive.

Yeah. Kick ass. I think he could have the Giants running back this season. Yeah, Clark Duke. It's actually a way cooler name than I thought. He co-starred with Eddie Murphy in a thousand words. Clark Duke was with Eddie Murphy in a movie. Anyway, should we talk about the draft?

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So again, came back from the draft. It actually happened. And we're going to start with the big. news in the draft, which is the New York Jets taking Colorado quarterback Shadur Sanders is the seventh pick.

The circus of all circuses, Shadirder to the Jets, Giants killed Hard Knocks. Jets are going to bring hard knocks back because you're going to have Shadur. Deion will come into coach in 2026 and then like Brick Johnson's going to be there. This is like, D.K., Shadirna of the Jets would be like all-time circus. Maybe I'm just trying to like will this into being or whatever by putting this. but yeah, I think it's so funny to go from Aaron Rogers and that whole circus and that whole like everything that kind of goes along with Aaron Rogers

he's going on Pat McAfee every week. What podcast is sure going to go on every week? He's going to have his own. He started his press conference at the combine by being like legendary and then ended it with like legendary. Like that's like branded. What? He's trying to like trademark the word legendary.

No, I think that's his company. Oh, no, I look it up. I think his company is called legendary or DM's company is called legendary? That's how marketing works. But yeah, I think this scenario is very interesting because obviously a couple of teams are passing on Shudor Sanders

for him to land with the Jets and we'll be probably scrutinizing those decisions the next 10 years. But I think the Jets landing a guy like Sanders assuming Dion Sanders isn't going to throw a wrench into anything in terms of like signing a contract and all that. I think it's a great situation for the Jets

because they don't have any of their options right now. So the beggars can't be choosers Yeah beggars can't be chooses. Here's the deal. They don't have a quarterback. And he is, Shadur Sanders is a quarterback.

D.K. was Shador. It feels like, I don't know, are we treating this like it's April? It feels like over the last two months. Yeah, let's get into character here. The gap has widened between Cam Ward and Shadour a little bit.

And do you think there's a possibility that Shadour could have fallen even later past the Jets? And that it actually might even end up being better for him. One, he can have the chip on his shoulder thing. He kept talking about it at the combine. I don't care when I go first.

I don't care when I get drafted. It doesn't matter. Do you think that it's actually, oh, there's an ant on my hand right now. An ant on your hand? Now we have ants. Probably all that poppy. Yeah.

How dare you? Bring the ant here. Are you going to kill the ant? What are you going to do with it? Low sugar in the poppy. So the ants, what did you just do with the ant? I killed it. You killed it?

Yeah. Right there. What'd you do with it? I squished it with a nap, a Kleenex threw in the trash. Just what a monster. Anyway, what I was going to ask you is like, you think it's actually just better for Shador if he falls late,

goes for a better team, better offensive line, better structure around him rather than going to a shitty team in the top five. And because he's a guy like who gets criticized for holding onto the ball too much, taking too many sacks. He might not be that as let that athletic. That's going to be a lot harder. That profile is going to be a lot harder on a shitty team than a good one.

Absolutely. I think there's a lot to that. And you mentioned or you asked early on like if he hadn't gone to the Jets here, would he have fallen pretty far? think if you look at the teams that's after it's like the panthers they don't need a quarterback saints they're like in quarterback hell with you know with their car i don't know what that's going to happen the bears don't need one the 49ers don't need one i guess uh the dolphins don't need one what do you mean i guess for the cowboys he just gave deck press they just yeah they're

a billion dollars i feel like everyone's trying to get rid of deck except jerry who just gave him a quarter of a billion dollars that's fine the cowboys don't need one the colts well the colts kind of need one but they're not going to get one in this draft i don't think Falcons don't need one. Cardinals don't need one. Bengals, Seahawks, Buccaneers, Broncos, Steelers. Steelers?

Yeah. I would take Shadur Sanders and pick 23. If the Jets hadn't taken Shadr here, I think there's a solid chance he falls pretty far or a team trades up. But, you know, I think that has been kind of the story since the combine that. The gap between Ward, it's like Ward,

the number one, and then it's like Shadur versus the other quarterbacks, Jackson Dart, you know, There's been more discussions about who's the second quarterback then, who's the first quarterback? You never know. And you know why guys I'm a radical when it comes to the landing spot. When I watch, I don't have as many questions about Chitur. And maybe I just, it's because I'm really confident he has a football like you.

But I don't know. I think this is really in the bag for Colorado. I like, well, I like Sheter because it's funny because I have less questions about him as a player and more about just the circus of it all. And I feel people are ignoring that. But the player, I mean, Brock Party complimentary. Like, I think Shudor can extend the play. He takes Sacks trying to play hero ball.

but I like he should the way Colorado set up. The whole thing's for him to do that. He can throw over a defender in his face. He has no panic. Like he can throw, you know, he can hit short side digs. I know people have questions about his arm strength that I understand like, you know, far side digs. Like, you know, maybe there's like a little zip.

But like I like that he can play on time when he does have protection. I think his deep accuracy is there even when like the footwork isn't perfect. I trust his receivers. I guess that's a function of having, you know, Travis Hunter. But he's going to have Garrett Wilson. So it's a good quality. People like to compare. Hunter to Gare Wilson.

Yeah, and I think that's one of the reasons to maybe Dion Sanders will give this his blessing. It's that Gary Wilson's there. My question is twofold. Why is Shedar holding the ball so much and really drifting back in the pocket? And is it because the interior of the Colorado offensive line is so bad?

Or is because he can't see over his offensive line. And I think the Jets' interior offensive line is probably a little better than Colorado's, but the tackles are worse. Like the tackles, I mean, they had Morgan Moses and Tyrone Smith, 33 years old each apiece out there last year. Like the Jets tackle situation is a mess. And so you got Garrett Wilson, you got Breeze Hall and Breeland Allen.

But outside of that, I don't know who's catching passes for this team. They're going to cut Devante, cut Alan Lazard because it's April 25th and we already know the future. Like, those guys are gone. So I guess my question is like, is Chardur going to be able to escape and extend plays in the NFL when he was doing it in college against guys of much less athleticism? I feel like when they played like Colorado State, he could do it. And when they played Nebraska, it was like harder. And that's my question is what happens? When he's like going in Oregon.

Yeah. And so that's my fear is, is he going to be able to play on time? And I think, yes. Like, I think that people get so tripped up on Shudor not having Dion's athleticism. They forgot, but he does have the Dion. Like, there is a football IQ that I think that he's absorbed. But it's just how is he going to, also how is it going to play for Aaron Glenn? Like, you know, he's been playing his dad for 10 years, basically. I think this is the big question with Shudder outside of the Dion variable.

But, I mean, he led the FCS in. in Sacks last year. FBS. Sorry, the FBS. He led the FBS. He led the FBS, or he was like third the year before in Sacks. So this is a quarterback that takes a lot of sacks.

And that doesn't typically go away. It's one of those things where the offensive line surely is a variable. It is a factor. If you have a really bad offensive line and pressure is coming very quickly, you're going to take a lot of sacks no matter who you are. But this is like the Caleb Williams thing all over again. It's like he took a ton of sacks in college. And then guess what?

He almost led the NFL in Sacks as a rookie. And that's like... And Caleb is way more athletic and... Caleb is way, way more elusive in terms of like getting away from pressure and finding a way to make a play. Shitter Sanders is not that elusive. He's not that athletic and agile as a scrambler. And so I think this is like the big question with him is can he play on time enough to

kind of mitigate that issue? I think he's always going to be a guy that takes Sacks. How would you grade the landing spot of the Jets in terms of nurture as a grade? Well, it's the Jets. So like that seems that feels like an automatic F. But that being said, in terms of the skill players I have, Garrett Wilson, I think is a very good player. And I think he's still got a ton of upside.

I think Brees Hall, despite what he did last year is a good running back. I think they can have a good running game with him and Braylon Allen. Isaiah Davis flashed a little bit too. Like in theory, they could have a run game. Olu Fashanu coming on at left tackle. There's some guys on their offensive line. They have Elijah Vera Tucker, Joe Tipman, Olu Fashanu

And, you know And Fashana played really well In the few games he played. They just were injured a lot last year. So I think there's a theoretical version of the Shet's offense that has a lot of talent If they can say healthy.

So I think it's not the worst. You also left out John Simpson Who overcame the awareness issue ratings in Madden The overcame that adversity for Rick Johnson. That was a good note though by Brick. Yeah. They don't have a ton of depth. But I do think

in terms of landing spots from a pure talent perspective, this isn't the worst spot, for sure. And Aaron Glenn, who, you know, theoretically is an adult in the room. The other part of this is Shadur falls to the Jets because the Raiders take Will Campbell. The offensive tackles, I mean, if they're taking him at the six pickies, an offensive tackle at LSU, Will Campbell. D.K., how do you feel about the Raiders taking an offensive tackle here over Shadur? I thought Shadur might go to the Raiders, but would you think it makes sense for the Raiders

to be building offensive line out with the first draft that Pete Carroll and everyone in Tom Brady? This is kind of what I've been saying all along, that the Raiders, it makes so much more sense for Pete Carroll to invest in the offensive line or just build up the foundation of this roster before dropping a rookie quarterback into it, which is basically what Carol said for years when he was with the C-Ux is the number one job is to make the job of the quarterback as easy as possible. That's the coach's number one priority. And so this makes a ton of sense for me. They're building in the trenches. They're adding depth of the offensive line, a guy who can play multiple positions if they need to.

You fill out the offensive line with the best five guys. He's a really talented player, really good ass. athlete. And it makes a ton of sense. And, you know, look, you could quibble over which tackle maybe is the best in the NFL or best in this draft right now. But I think Will Campbell just makes a ton of sense for them to, like I said, build that foundation. They can add a quarterback later. Do you think Armand Membu, the Mizugai went to the Dolphins at 13? You think that there's a world where he actually ends up as a better tackle? I do because he's he's another guy, super athletic, plays with a little bit of nasty. I think these are the two guys we're going to be kind of like looking out over the next few years and kind of come. pairing their careers because they're both a little bit undersized, I think, in terms of length, but both have incredible movement skills, both play with incredible balance. So I think there's some similarities between Armand Membou and Will Campbell.

Ultimately, I think Campbell's going to be a really good player, though. It's not always the sexiest pick in the world, but I feel like it's hard as a fan to get super upset when your team takes a tackle in the first round. There's like every team in the NFL wants a better offensive line, except for like three. you know what I mean and even those teams like to have depth so yeah

I think even if there's you know some question whether he's going to play offensive tackle offensive guard I think the value is there no matter where he ends up so the other one here is the Cleveland Browns

took Campbell Ward Miami quarterback's second pick I mean I think given the option to move on for the Deshawn Watson era or not DK what do you think do you think it was a good idea

for the Browns to move on for the Deshawn Watson era do you think that's the right move you know it's tough. It's tough. It's tough. To know. I see both sides. Yeah, yeah. No, this is the obvious. This is a no-brainer. Yeah. Especially considering the news that Deshaun tore his second Achilles last week.

Right. Yeah, no, that happened because he re-tore the other one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Because again, we're coming from the future. No one saw all the third-kills to come up. Exactly. But yeah, I think this makes a ton of sense. Cam Ward established himself as the top quarterback in this class, basically, coming out of the combine. He big tough he's not that big actually We didn't really talk about this

He measured out at 6-1 which was kind of surprising to me At the combine he's he's 223 pounds So he's got a good he's got like some some mass to him But I was a little surprised that he was under 6 foot 2 When he got measured at the combine What did you think about that high fits? I well I think the come I mean Coming out of the combine it feels like everyone left the combo

I was like yeah cam Ward's everyone's number one quarterback right I mean Diki you had cam Ward number one the whole time But did Cammore do anything or is everyone just like, I don't know about the Shadur thing? I think it's a little both. I think he was very impressive. From everything I've heard, he was very impressive in interviews. And, you know, this is, it's something kind of like what we were talking about with that clip where he's working out with Shudder Sanders. And you okay there?

What happened there? Jackie just scared me. She came home four hours early from work. He just opened the fucking door. I lost my mind. That was fucking. That was crazy. That was crazy.

She had no idea I was recording. She thought I was just talking to you guys. No, we're on doing the show right now. She's scared the fucking shit out of me. That was a legit jump scare? I literally, I'm home alone. I've been home alone all day until she's sitting here super embarrassed that she interrupted the show. We're not cutting any of this.

Oh my God. I love you. Oh my God. She's not coming over. It's 3 o'clock Eastern. She's usually home at like 6. That was really good. So that was like, I literally, like, I don't know if you guys noticed, but like right

before that I heard like the sound of keys downstairs. And I was like, well, that's either Jack or I'm getting robbed. And I was like, no, that's my imagination. That's not real. You didn't see this coming with the hot tub thing? It'd be weird to get robbed with a guy with keys. I don't know what he'd be doing with those. That's true.

It's just like a suit. Yeah, it's just like the worst idea ever is to jingle keys. Jingle keys. Dude, burn notice. I love the burn notice thing, but at burn notice was so good. But he was Jeffrey Donovan's the spy. And the first episode is like,

yeah, when I break in people's houses, like you don't want to wear a ski mask. You grab a yogurt, grab a spoon, start eating in. They come upstairs. Who are you? And you're like, who are you? Maybe keys is a good idea. Maybe you should pick the lock and jingle keys.

People think, oh, this guy knows what he's doing. He's like, I didn't break in. Keys, hello. It's my place. I genuinely have no idea what we were talking about. I was talking about Cam Ward being 60. So, 601.5, according to his measurement. Oh, can we 6.1.5?

Which is, I'm telling you, I'm telling you the exact measurement. People are rounding that up to 62. Wait, 6.1.5. 6.1.5. 6.1.5. The combine puts it out as like 6015, which to me is like just Sanskrit. I thought both of these guys looked a little smaller in person, to be honest. Chatur is small.

That's one of the reasons I compare him to Brock Purdy. Brock Party looks small. Yeah. But Cam, but I don't know. And again, part of me, I really, I don't know. Does it matter to you that he's 6015? Dude, Cam Ward, why are we dancing around this? Cam Ward on the Browns is not going to work.

Like, when you see the jersey that has all the names of the quarterbacks from the last 20 years on? Ward is going to be an easy addition and in two years they will have a different quarterback. It's funny that we've spent a lot of time on Shitter Sanders and Cam Ward, the first, like, the two big picks of this draft. And one went to the Jets, one went to the Browns. No of these are working out. What are we talking about? That's the beginning of the conversation. And the fucking Browns and two quarterbacks that nobody is really that excited about and we're all talking ourselves into because it's March.

This is not like the Kenny. pick a year, but it's the second worst of the last 10 years probably. The simplest way that I could explain how I feel like Cam Ward and Shadur is I think that if you told me one of Cam Ward or Shudder Sanders would still be in the NFL in 10 years, I would pick Shadur, even as a backup quarterback. And if you told me if one of Cam Ward or Shudder Sanders got an MVP vote, I would say it's more likely to be Cam Ward. Like, I think his ceiling's higher.

Yeah. Do I think that the Browns and Kevin Stiff, like I like Kevin Stavanska's coach, but that organization's cursed. and the idea that like, you're right, it's not a great environment. Maybe it's just a low bar with DeShawn Watson being there. But I'm like, I like Kevin Stavansky.

I'm curious to see if he can merge, you know, what Kevin Stavansky's been doing with that offense. There was big issue with Deshawn Watson where he didn't really run. He didn't really want to run. Well, they tried to like,

Kevin Chivansky was doing it. That's why the player, it's why the players also like Flacco. They were like, oh, this is like a real offense we've been practicing. And so, I mean, Kim Ward, he had like, I think four under center snaps last season. Like, plays,

like, under center throws. so they'll have to adapt that. General fit, I think, is pretty rough. I mean, you're going into the AFC North where all of the other three teams are quite good. You're playing in weather. You're supporting cast on the Browns is not good. I mean, you have Jerry Judy of Elijah Moore.

You got Nick Chubb coming off his horrific knee injury. He's going to test free agency, too, yeah. Yeah, it's like, I mean, it is not. The offensive line is not what it used to be in Cleveland. It's a pretty tough spot to be dropped into. I just love Craig so much. Why are we dancing around this? Why are we dancing around?

You're right. We're talking about 6015. We don't even like these quarterbacks. A month ago, nobody liked these guys. And we have nothing else to do, so we're talking them up. You're right. You're right, of course. Yeah, no.

So, yeah, I can't. My barometer for all this stuff is I just talk to my friends who are diehard college football fans. I'm a casual college football fan. Like my brother, I have friends from high school. All they do is watch college football. Every time I'm like, oh, so what quarterbacks do you like this year? What do you think about Cam Ward?

They're like, Cam Ward sucks. I'm like, you know what you're like, Shador? Like, Shador's not good. This is the Anthony Richardson thing all over again. He exactly. Florida fans were like, he sucks. I'll never forget. I was like, oh, I think Anthony Richardson might go top five.

My brother's like, that is literally the dumbest thing I've ever heard. The guy was not good in college. He was actively not good. Why would he be a top five pick? And then you combine all that with, we should do a thing where we basically have like pretend that guys are asking us like, you know, if your friend's like, hey, I'm between a few jobs. What do you think?

And I'm like, I got an offer from this place called the Cleveland Browns. What do you think? Yeah. Like, no, don't go there. So, yeah, you know, the teams that need quarterbacks usually suck. This draft really fell terribly for these two quarterbacks. Yeah, I got to be, I got to say. Or it went well, because holy cow, they're the best two quarterbacks in the draft.

Like, if they were coming out last year, they probably wouldn't be first-up picks. I know. There are a few nuggets that I will preserve in my brain this draft season, and it's every analyst ever saying, oh, if these two guys were in the draft last year, they would not be top seven off the board at the quarterback position. They'd go after Bo Nix. I'm like, all right. Viggers can't be chooses. Don't forget that.

Yeah. So, and ironically, if they come out last year, they probably have a better chance because if, like, I mean, I think if Cam Warder went to the Steelers last year, like, that would probably be better for them. But, you know, you have to turn around a team. So other things here that happen, again, coming to you from the future, the Giants achieved my lifelong dream of getting Travis Hunter. Congrats. Receivered back from Colorado. You will this into existence. Yeah.

And again, you know, just, you know, the Giants, you know, they could have taken Schitter Sanders at number three, but the Giants. you know, they got Aaron Rogers and they got Devante Adams and free agency. And, you know, thank God that happened six weeks ago. So, you know, who needs a quarterback under 40? Also, I couldn't believe. Can they get Cup too? Aaron Rogers, Adams, and Cup. And you know, it's crazy.

I couldn't believe when we, you know, people from the past won't believe this. But at OTAs, Brian Davel showed up with, he had one of those Turkish hair implants. So he's just, you know, out here like a Chia pet. So, you know, the giants. Now he looks even more like that. Yeah. But no, I really do love Travis Hunter. and it's so funny to go out

and like this is my draft take as an island is he's going to do what he did in college. The thing no one said he could do where he's going to play all the defensive snaps and almost all the offensive snaps. Which is funny because typically it's the opposite. Like we just said with Anthony De Richardson, the case was like he's going to do what he didn't do in college

and be even going to be better in the NFL. Totally. So yeah, it's not a crazy take. And I'm like, everyone's like, well, he can't do both. And I'm kind of like, nah, I think he's going to do both and he's going to be perfectly good at it. Hyvitz, are you happy that the Giants

took Travis Hunter? because they already got a quarterback in Aaron Rogers, or would you have wanted them to select Travis Hunter regardless of what happened to the quarterback position in the offseason in free agency? Well, Aaron Rogers isn't exactly a spring chicken. Well, I think the way I look at it is... Daible and Joe Shane are going to get fired

if they're not competitive this year. They probably have to make the playoffs and maybe if they have some nine or 10 win season and there's promise, like maybe they would run it back. But they have to basically make the playoffs to save their jobs or at least try. And so I think that, again, you never want to be in that situation. You don't really want the leadership of your team to be in that situation ever.

That's not really how good organizations function. But if you're going to do that, in a way, you could argue to me both ways. But I think the idea of, well, we have to take Shudor Sanders at a quarterback because if we don't, and he sucks, who cares? We're fired. And if he's good enough to get us there like, oh, we can just save our jobs. I would rather, I don't mind just taking an awesome player that, like, I believe, like a Travis Hunter, like this. the most overused phrase ever. Truly a once-in-a-generation player.

A once-in-a-century, like, Travis-Hun is the first one of a kind of player just good since Beattie Feathers or whatever. Cloy's box. It's the last guy doing this kind of stuff. Can he kick? Probably. Did it want special teams? Giants see one of those, too.

They would have one in week two, if not for that. But, like, I'd rather have a guy like that, and then we could just boot Rogers out the door next year if a new coach comes in and get a new quarterback, and, like, just bank good players and get a free-engine quarterback because I don't like the idea of people making short-term decisions with their jobs on the line. So Travis Hunter to be is a long-term thing.

But yeah, Aaron Rogers, I don't want to talk about it. So you think Davell and Shane are less likely to get fired if they sign Aaron Rogers, they win nine or ten games and either barely miss the playoffs or losing the wildcar round, then they draft Shador or Cam Ward and they win like six games and things like okay. No, I think they're less likely to get fired if they take the rookie quarterback, which is why I'm happy that they did, that if they take Travis Hunter, makes me happy because I'm really confident Travis Hunter is an NFL player. Whereas, like, when you get a quarterback and then the first coach is fired, like,

basically a short, like, back of the napkin math, if a rookie quarterback has to get to his third coordinator, they're not going to work on your team. Like the back of the napkin is coordinator is being fired once, like what just happened with Caleb Williams, happens all the time guys make it. When you, the second guy doesn't work either. Generally speaking, that means either the guy is no good or your team is no good and he'll be good elsewhere. Like Baker Mayfield to the Browns. Like actually he works somewhere else or

Zach Wilson, the guy sucks. He's no good. This is like exactly what happened with the Bears last year. Everyone was like, before the draft, everyone was like, why are they hanging on to the flus? Why is the flus allowed to be loose still? We saw the flus, by the way, we saw the flus at Shapiro's, the sandwich

The sandwich. That ain't even flus the head coach of the Bears former. The Flus was loose at Shapiro's. He was getting a sandwich. We had to remind ourselves that he is now the defensive coordinator for the Cowboys. I didn't I know that. But anyway, everybody was talking about this before the draft. This was before or even free agency.

It was basically after the season was why would the Bears keep Eber Fluse? They're just going to fire him after a year anyway. It was the most obvious thing. And then, lo and behold. It does feel like a nice spring cleaning to sweep out the coach and the GM when you have the opportunity to pick a good rookie quarterback. Exactly. You guys laughed at me last year on the show.

We said, which pick is most likely to get their coach fired? I said, Caleb Williams. But it's just like, I don't know. It's what happens sometimes, man. It's a good call. Did the pick get him fired? The pick didn't get him fired. Running out of time in front of 40 million people on Thanksgiving

probably got him fired when they had a time out. Dude, that was wild. I forgot about that. It was just, you know what, man. That was against so many weird things happened in the NFL. Is that against the Cowboys? No, it's against the Packers? Oh.

There was divisional. I was going to say, man, it's a Lions. Oh, yeah. Oh, it was a Lions. Which is worse. The YouTube thing that came up was the worst clock management you'll ever see.

It really was. It really was like S tier. We like to live in the moment, but that really was an S tier. Like the fact that it just ended. Oh my God. They had a chance to tie it. Didn't they?

They could have kicked it for, I think it was like, they could have kicked a field goal to try and tie it. I think that's my favorite way for NFL games to end is for the offensive team not realizing how much time they have left and the clock just runs out.

So funny. It's like easily the funny. When you go to an NFL game can end. When you go to an NFL game, though, I understand more and more how that stuff happens because, you know, on the screen, this is such a silly way to think of it, but it's the truth. On the screen, you're looking at the clock the whole time because it's on the screen. You're the coach, there's so much going on and the clock is kind of small. You know what they need? They got to start wearing like those Google glasses or like the raybans.

Like a heads-up display? Yeah. That's kind of a good idea. You can always see the clock in your visual frame. They need a little scorebug. That's also part of the scorebug. By the way, the scorebug was different during the Super Bowl. This is something we didn't talk about.

And a whole bunch of people on Twitter and X were talking about how the scorebug was stupid. And I was like, how does everyone know this is called a scorebug? I've never heard of this expression. I had never heard that turn in my life. What the fuck is the scorebug? Nope. I would have called it the score graphic. There's all these people talking about the scorebug.

Like, it's a thing that we all know. It was, it looks like the first ever scorebug, though, I will say. It looked like it was 1998 and they were like, we just can I tell you something? Bold letters, like the shortened letters. I kind of liked it. I hated it for 30 minutes, but everyone. you hate everything that's new. And then I was like, actually, it's minimal.

Highfitz is like actually the opposite. No, but see, hyphitz, that's the problem is I agree. It is not, I wasn't that offended by the actual graphic itself. I was offended that they decided to unveil it at the Super Bowl. They should have had it all season. So we're used to it. I agree with that because they're like, well, it's the Super Bowl. We need something cool and different to show it's the Super Bowl.

No, it's the Super Bowl. Let's test out something new. What the fuck? Do you remember they would update Facebook back in the day and people would like riot? They're like, bring back new Facebook. And then people would get addicted to that one. And then they changed again, like, oh, we want the old one.

And like, we hated that one when they unrolled it. It's like, it happens to what's going on. Yeah, it does. They should have just, they should have released it earlier in the season. We could have gotten used to it. It looked like, like, remember the old game, Pong? It looked like Pong level graphics. Yeah.

I liked it. All right, so just to recap the top five here of this draft that happened yesterday, that's 100% already happened. We've been to the future. We've been to the future. We've been to the future. That's through Intercom. Titans took Penn State pass rusher, Abdul-Cardt,

from Miami, giant stick Travis Hunter, Patriots took Mason Graham out of Michigan? Just a, you know, just a double. A double to the wall. I don't know if it's going to be a home run, but I like it. Is that a good baseball analogy? A double to the wall? You just said a double and it took me a second to switch.

I never heard of that. I knew what you were saying. I don't know. Nearly a home run. Better than a single. Right. It looks good coming off the bat. I don't know.

This is ridiculous. I thought people love Mason Graham. He seems like Mason Graham. He seems like Mason Graham. I think, yeah. I don't know if Can't Miss is the right way to put it. Because every time we say that, it's a miss. Guaranteed double.

Also, when's the last time we've had a truly dominant top five interior defensive alignment that was white? I was going to say between this and Cooper to G, and there's a lot going on. It's a resurgence. Eagles trade up. Well, I was going to say it's kind of a perfect New England athlete, you know what I mean?

True. It's a good fit. You should put DeK, when you should put that in your draft grades, when you file a draft grades, just like perfect sense of Boston. Speaking of, watch the, Bringer's documentary on Boston. Celtic City. It's out now in HBO. Yeah, well, because it's April 25th. We're actually, it's coming to the season finale.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, season finale. It's been out. It's got to the finale of Celtic City. So that is a good question though, Craig. I'm looking at the Brian Brazee for the Saints last year, went 29th. No, sorry, two years ago. He hasn't really done a whole lot. So keeping on with this draft there. So the Denver Broncos took running back Ash and Genty to Boise State with the 20th pick. It was crazy watching the television. cast, I couldn't believe that they had RFK Jr. announced the pick for Denver. Can we

get an impression? Can we play the clip of RFK Jr. announcing the Broncos pick? That was crazy. Can you do the jingle? Dan, da, da, da, da, da, da, with the 20th pick in the 2025 NFL draft, the Denver Broncos select Ashton Jetti

running back out of Boise City. The funny thing about it is it not only does it sound insanely labored when he talks, it like looks labored. He's like moving around a whole like he can barely get worse out.

It seems uncomfortable. It seems like an uncomfortable existence. No, it does. And then Ashton Genti hugged him and he like, and he got measles or something collapsed into dust. It's good frame though.

RFK and Genties, similar friends. They looked, I didn't know who was the running back for a second. Just like barrel chest. Gene's a gold's gym. So yeah. So Ashton Gentie, So Ashen Gente to the Broncos, where are we at on the whole Ashen Genty?

You probably, as we were just saying with Seekwon, you still should have actually take a running back in the first round unless your line's awesome. Versus he's awesome though and he's just sick. This is dope. I think this is a great pick. Like we were saying with, you know, Seekwon running for 2,500 yards and winning the Super Bowl does not mean that running back is back. It means that running backs behind good offensive lines on good teams are back. And I think that's why this pick makes a lot of sense. The Broncos have one of the best offensive lines in the league.

Like, they're already there. And the offense, I would say they have one of the best five or seven offensive lines in the league. Would you quibble with that? That's fine. And they already have a team that made the playoffs. They have a competent quarterback at Bo Nix. They have like an offensive structure already built and no running game. And so to me, this makes perfect sense.

And I love this pick. I just Googled best offensive lines. Okay. Thanks. The Broncos line was good last. This is from Pro Football Network. Okay. The Broncos number one.

So there we go. Well, I don't know if they're the number one. That actually makes me doubt the entire list. I'd probably still take like the Eagles or the Lions or something. Did Google Gemini not watch the Super Bowl? He said it was pro football talk. No, Pro Football Network. What pro football network list has the Broncos number one over the Philadelphia Eagles?

Look, I don't know. All right? They have a good offensive line. They have a hot 10 offensive line, I would say, at the very least. I think that's fair. All right. Anyway, Gentie is kind of like, he's the type of player, I think, that actually would make a difference on this type of offense. They do a ton of stuff where...

They need juice. The running backs are getting involved in the passing game. You know, I think Sean Payton is good at drawing up schemes to get the running backs into space. His run after the catchability, his tackle-breaking ability is going to make things easier for Bo Nix. this goes back to what we were talking about with Pete Carroll. It's like he's going to help his young quarterback and take pressure off of Nix to like have to carry the offense. And so I kind of like this actually.

And by the way, it's like this is a late-ish pick. It's a 20th pick. You're getting like the best running back since Sequin. Yeah. So the other one's here. So we also have the Pittsburgh Steelers. What do you think of it? You don't seem that thrilled with it. So my, I have these all these notes I was taking during the college football season.

And I have like a few. like in bold that I have at the top that I don't like memento tattoos for my own notes and number one I said I have literally the top two notes in my draft prep are don't let anyone tell you Travis Hunter can't be the first player taken and don't let anyone tell you Ashton Jentzy can't be a first rounder

and I have them like bold underlined like it's like my memento tattoos from the season and so I'm trying to stick to that of yeah Ashton Jentie's sec you can take him in the first round it's fine who's saying that Ash and Jentee that's a little bit of like I was told Steph Curry wasn't a good shoot

Yeah. Who's saying Ashton Gendi's not a first rounder? No, I wrote it down in like October when, you know, like, you know, I'm just watching this guy on a Saturday and I'm like, don't let anyone tell you can't go in the first. And now we're here and people aren't saying that. But I think it's a cool fit. I would love him to be in Denver. Also, Boise State.

Hello. I think there's a huge overlap there between Denver, Boise State. The Denver, like in terms of area, Denver is the largest fan base, like in terms of like actual square miles. Like Denver spans like so many states. In terms of the distance of the distance of the. next closest team. They have the most land, right? Oh, yeah, because they go up to like Idaho.

It's like the most sparsely populated areas in the United States. Yeah, but it's, well, good point. But yeah, no, the Denver fan base physically is massive. So I think the Boise State, like there's a lot of overlap there. I can see it. Other ones here, your Steelers, Craig, Emeka, O'MECA, Ohio State receiver. How do you feel to get like a veteran captain, upstanding citizen leader after years of internal round?

This is kind of a Zieg. It is a bit of a Zag. But the Steelers need that. There's like zero consistency on the Steelers' offense. And so getting somebody who you can actually reliably depend on on any given play sounds really nice. And, you know, he can be the ying to the George Pickens Yang. So I'm good with that.

I think it's yin, isn't it? What did you say? A ying? I thought it was ying yang. No, it's yin yang. Oh, Yin Yang. I'm thinking of the ying yin-yang twins. Well, they're also.

I think they also spell it that way. No, it's ying yang twins. Oh, they do spell it ying yang. Yeah. All right. Now, that makes sense. There lies the confusion. That's really funny.

These are the Yingang twins. While you're here, someone emailed us, somebody emails us from Neil. Dude, that'd be pretty cool. That's their nickname, Ibuka and Pickens,

the yin-yang twins? We're starting it. That's actually very funny. Yang-Jang twins, that's good. While we're on mispronancing stuff, Neil emailed in. Neil. Neil.

Neil. That I keep in pronounce, I keep mispronouncing Bengals Hall fame left tackle Anthony Munoz. And it's Munoz. Moonios. Not Munoz. Yeah, I clocked that a few times and I felt like it was wrong, but I just didn't want to like, I feel like I didn't want to bully you. Well, I try to shout him out and he retired before I was born. So you know what I'm sorry. I mean, also, yeah. The Tildase over the end. You got to, you got to notice that.

I did my best. They also tried to shout on an offensive alignment who retired like before I was on this planet. That's pretty bold. I tried. Good for you. He's good. My take, they should have an award for every position

at the end of every NFL season. The offensive line award should be named it for him. And then because I suggested it they should do my pronunciation of his name. So, you know, we're compromised. You said, Munoz?

I just said Munoz. Munoz. Now I don't even know how I said it. Munoz. Munoz. I was going from Munoz, but I think I got my own attention wrong and that was also wrong.

That's all right. Doesn't matter. Other ones here, D.K., you're Seahawks took, I don't know what position called linebacker, pass rush, a Jehad Campbell from Alabama, who we haven't talked about a ton. We haven't. One of the most interesting players in the whole draft.

So, Ghead Campbell, you told, he's a five-star pass rushing prospect that they had to put it inside linebacker at Alabama. And then he just, Alabama had, you know, Will Anderson, Dallas Turner, like all these really, really good pass rushers. So they basically were like, hey, do you want to play a different position? he mainly lined up as like an offball linebacker. And in fact, at the combine, he looked really good. He was in the wave drill that they do where the guy's like the coach will like point what direction you're supposed to go and you kind of like change directions on the fly.

You don't know what's coming. It's like a Mario Party mini game. It like showcases your balance and ability to change direction. He looked pretty smooth doing it. I think he has the ability to start and play at offball linebacker. But the cool thing about him is he has like a ton of untapped past rush potential. He's really explosive, really bendy. He's basically like a different version of.

Jalen Walker, the Georgia defender. And if you look at him, like, he's an elite athlete athlete. So Jalen Walker, because there's a Jalen Walker, Georgia in this year's draft, and there's a Trayvon Walker from Georgia who was the first picket of draft two years ago. And you're talking about Jalen Walker. And there's Jalen Carter. It's a lot going on. And there's also Herschel Walker who is at, there's a lot of walkers at Georgia.

No, Jalen Walker, the Georgia defender, I like for the C-Ox as well, but he's not, you know, he went much earlier. He is the type of guy that's like, he played off ball linebacker, a lot for Georgia. but he's really exciting as a potential edge rusher, blitzer, that type of thing. I think you can get the same type of versatility as a playmaker from Jahad Campbell. I think he would fit the Mike McDonnell offense or defense really well just because, you know, they're doing a lot of things where they're dropping guys back and trying to confuse the quarterback by, you know, dropping guys and blitzing other guys.

It's not necessarily or not even blitzing, just rushing with other guys. So I think his versatility, his explosion, his closing speed and his fluidity kind of dropping back into coverage, I think makes him a perfect fit for the Seacock. So I think he's really interesting. And they need a linebacker. They need more pass rush help. He's kind of perfect. There are a lot of players that are sometimes ahead of their time and these tweeners on defense. Like I think about like Sue Cravens being this like safety linebacker combo or like Isaiah

Simmons from Clemson who like probably like got to the NFL a little early. Giad Campbell, someone who's probably getting the NFL at exactly the right time because doing this like Frankie Louva. Basically being a inside linebacker that can just like actually win a one on one like pass rush versus the left tackle or like, you know, or like the way that they have, like, the chiefs will take Leo Chanel and like he can put his hand in the dirt, he can play linebacker, like basically being the version of a Kyle, not quite a Kyle Hamilton, but being able to do multiple things that are high level, the NFL now is at a point where they know how to teach guys to be able to actually

do it. It sounds good on paper. There was a lag in whether teams could actually teach you and implement it on the field. This, Giud Campbell to me is the epitome of a guy who has this skill set and is getting to the league at the right time and the Sealks would be the perfect place from. No one would have a better idea of what to do with Chad Campbell than Mike McDonald in Seattle. Other one here speaking of knowing what to do with the guy. The launch, the Angeles charges took Colston Loveland, the tight end of Michigan. So you got Jim Harbaugh dipping into the Michigan pool. D.K., we haven't talked a ton about Loveland either. Like, we've talked a lot about Tyler Warren, your beloved punt pass kick champion. You had the bucks, you know, the bucks took

him in the 19th pick. But Colston Loveland, so his arm was in a sling. It was like immobilized at the combine. And I think it's weird because, Colson Loveland, I think your conference was Evan Ingram, and Evan Ingram's like this high volume, getting 100, you know, 100 catches for the Jaguar. I mean, quietly, one of the most catches of Titans had in the season, like, for the Jaguars. And it's so weird, it just rattles my brain to think of a high volume guy like Colson Loveland in such a low volume offense. And I wonder, like, how do you go about trying to project what a guy's going to be able to do when the Michigan offense is so like caveman? Yeah. It's hard because I think you just have to look at traits.

And this is, this reminds me, the Colston Leveland talk, and he's gotten a ton of hype. coming out of the combine, even though he didn't test, is just like, how does he translate to an offense that's going to be much more pass-happy? Because he is a, I think he's closer to like a move-type tight end right now

than he is a in-line-wide-end. He's going to be asked to a ton of blocking. I think he has that in him, but right now he's just more of an F-tight-end where he's moving around the formation, lining up all in the outside, lining in the slot, running after the catch,

doing like crossing routes over the middle where you get a defender on your hip and then you can just outrun him. That's like what Evan Ingram has done for the Jags and really kind of like found his niche there. But he reminds this this discussion reminds me a little bit of the Nico Collins discussion when Nico Collins was coming out of Michigan because if you look at Collins, his career at Michigan, I think his career high in catches was 37 or something like that.

It wasn't like he was a prolific in production or anything like that, but he had the traits. He's big, fast, and physical and explosive. And I think that some of those traits are what Colson Lovelland has as well. So I'm not saying he's Nico Collins because he's obviously a different position. I don't think he's as good of an athlete. But I think that there's something, there's some hidden value here. And I think he could be more prolific in the pros than he was at college just because, you know, he's basically stuck in this, you know, really run heavy offense.

And like George Kittle is another guy that kind of had that too. Like there's the reason Kittle lasted the fifth round. He didn't have much college production. They're just running like a run heavy offense at Iowa at the time. And so, yeah, I think there could be some hidden value here with Colson Loveland. He's a really smooth mover. and has some good athleticism. So I'm excited to see how this kind of works out.

Yeah, Sam LaPorte had five touchdown catches in his entire career at Iowa. And then he had 10 as a rookie in the NFL. So it's funny to see those guys kind of pock. But yeah, Colson Loveland, also, again, he sounds like he should be on The Bachelor, but like, yeah, sure, he can take the charges. And then sticking in a lot, you have Matthew Golden, the receiver at Texas going to the Rams. So you have Luther Bird and who seems to not be impressing teams.

And, you know, he's falling out of the first round. But you have Golden going to Rams and playing the Stafford. It's the win from the Rams thinking they trade Stafford to the Rams having Stafford Pooka Nakuha. Now Matthew Golden, receiver to Texas. Ren a 429, 40-yard dash at the combine. Yeah, it's funny because he's very different than Cooper Cup in terms of he's really explosive, really twitchy. Cooper Cup is much more of like body control, route running, catch everything type of deal. Golden is more explosive, more elusive after the catch, just more twitchy.

And so I think he adds a little bit of the speed element to the Rams offense that they kind of been missing with Puka and Cup as the one and two guys. And so, you know, I'm really excited to see how this goes with Stafford back in L.A. And Cup gone. Cup with the Giants now. Right. As we established. Yeah. So, yeah, Golden.

He's just an exciting player. He, you know, he catches a contested passes really well. He's really good with the ball in the air. Really good after the catch, like I said, really twitchy. He can, like, square guy up and just run past him. He lacks size, but that's about it. I feel like he was one of the biggest risers at the wide receiver position this offseason. Yeah, big time.

Isaiah Bond, his teammate, was getting a lot more buzz, I think, coming into the season. And Golden, you know, just came in and I think just impressed everybody a whole lot more. He's just like a more well-rounded, reliable receiver. Retriever, right? He's a golden retriever. That was your comp. Yeah. Do you guys think that Matthew Stafford and Cooper?

Super Cup are still going to have a Zoom breakfast every morning or is he going to have to find a new breakfast buddy? How is that going to work? Well, Pook, do you think Pooka kind of assumed that? Is Pooka the new breakfast buddy? It depends on whether Puka. Do you think Pook was going to break from having his jack in the box breakfast or whatever the hell eats in the morning? Do you think Cooper Cup regrets kind of... Telling people?

Mentoring Pooka Nukua. Like, Pooka really is just like the next Cooper Cup. Like super tough, beloved teammate, you know, like going to become this gym rat type. Pooka Nukua used to eat candy every day. and then he met Cooper Cup, and Cooper Cup was like, no, you actually need to care about what you put in your body.

Do you think Cooper Cup, now that he's on the New York Giants with Drew Locke, like, man, maybe I shouldn't have done that, and I could have still been on the Rams right now, having breakfast with my best friend every morning. No, I think Cooper Cup, he's a very religious guy.

He's a big, like the universal has a plan for me. And I think Cooper Cup's like, you know, this was the plan for me was to play for this, like, three-win giant team that has Drew Locke's overthrowing me. And as I, like, get my organs liquefied again on like a third and fourth

for like our fifth like three and out and around. Is it not Aaron Rogers? Oh yeah, sorry. Aaron Rogers tours Achilles again on the third snap of the season. So that was, you know, that's from the next. People aren't ready for that one. The upside for Cooper Cup is that he will likely get introduced to ayahuasca, which we don't know how that will.

It's going to extend his career by seven years. Okay. Any other draft picks here from this, any of their first round, you know, recaps want to go through, you know, I don't want to give too much of the future to people at once. It's hard for people to handle. By the way, you can read,

much like Biff's, what was it, what was Biff's like sports book? Sports Almanac. Yeah, the sports almanac. You can read my version of the sports almanac at the Ringer at NFL Drafts at the Ringer.com. And you can see the entire first round. By the way, Biff is just Donald Trump. Yeah. Like it's very similar vibes.

You go to the future and you see like the empire, the casino hotel empire, Biff built. And his, like he literally is Donald Trump. And there's a chance that they, even styled him after Donald Trump. I know. I'm actually Googling that now. Probably. I think there's a strong chance. Biff Tannen in the second movie was based on Trump. Yeah.

God. Trump has been around for a long time. I know. Home alone too. Dude, the beginning of Zoolanders. Yeah. That one's a jump. Oh, yeah.

The Zoolander one. He's on the red carpet. Yeah. He's in like the first 10 seconds. They let, they let Trump's hotel let the film, let the production. and shoot at his hotel as long as he was in the movie. If he can be in the movie, you can shoot there for free. All right.

Thank you, DK. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Kai. Thank you, Troy. Thank you, awesome. Thank you, everyone for listening, NFLdraft.30.com for all of DK's Back to the Future, what actually happened already in the 2025 draft. Email to ringer fantasy football at Gmail.com.

Google. If you're two work platforms, it's a lot. Love the two work platforms, a Coachella artist, anything like that. Anything where it's like two work platforms, like, you know, characters is small. Is Lugel a work platform or a reference to the movie Hot Tub Time Machine 2? What word Lugel? Lugel. Well, I think Hot Tup Time Machine Tennis.

I bet you Google the chest now. You guys are fucking smart, man. No, it's like, what's his name? Rob Cordy goes, he stays in the past and then he starts Lugel instead of Google. Oh. I don't think I haven't seen the sequel. No, I don't remember. I can't remember.

I can't remember if it's in the sequel. equal of it for original. But yeah. All right. Thank you, Lauren. Thank you, Yingang twins. Hell yeah. Dude, Madden's soundtrack

Hall of Fame. Salt Shaker. Banger. I'm apparently the biggest hot tub time machine fan. I celebrate the entire catalog. I'm surprised they made

a second one. I like that he stays back. What year do they go back to? Is it the 80s? Yeah, the 80s. And he wants to stay back in the 80s?

You know, that's almost the plot of Indiana, the fifth Indiana Jones. Indiana Jones. Based off of hot tub time machine. Did you guys see the new one? It might as well been. I did not.

He nearly, Indiana Jones, the dial of destiny, he like is able to go back in time. He nearly stays with Archimedes back in whatever fucking year that was. Wait, you said this on the show.

Why is he going to find Archimedes? Because he wants to figure out how much of his legs weighs like more than the other? I don't know. I already forget. There's like they got to, the dial takes them there because they got to figure out like,

they have to get the other piece of the dial or something and it's back there and Archimedes was the one who built it. But he goes back, when was Archimedes? Like around the turn, around like year zero? When was it? I think like Greece. Like, I don't know. Like that was like 2000 years ago, right?

Sure. Yeah. 287 BC. Oh, look at that. You died in Syracuse. Close enough. Syracute, like in New York. York? Yeah.

Yeah, he was sick in the Jim Beheim zone offense. Zone defense. He had height. He had length. The portal opens up to go back to present day. And Indiana, for like a moment pauses and is like, go without me. I want to stay back with our comedies. And then they're like, fucking what? You're going to die within like 10 minutes.

You're like 80. Craig, the way Craig. The quality of life back there. There was no, like people are dying in their 20s. I think they take that people hate the most of mine is that Indiana Jones 4 is a good movie. Well, you're going to say, your favorite movie ever, right, is the first Indiana Jones or the third one? It's one. It's Raiders, but it's easily my favorite, you know, franchise.

But the way you talk about the last movie is the way I talk about, like, recent giant seasons. He's so crushed. Yeah, it's not even that they did a terrible job. It's just the fact that it was made is so, is so upsetting to me. Do you see Harrison Ford's thing about, like, he's like, how do you feel about like they had to get the right shade of red? Is it weird to pretend that you're not wearing all the stuff? He's like, let me tell you something. That's what the $15 million are for.

I respect it. I respect that a lot. That's a good answer. I love that. Harry Ford is still working. People like shrinking. He does that show 1923 or 1883, one of those Sheridan shows, doing Jeep commercials. Even though I'm a Ford.

All these 80-year-olds are still working, man. Isn't it crazy to think like D.K.'s kids are going to be working. People need to retire. 2100. Deky's kid might be working. Assuming AI lets him have a job. John Lithgow got cast as Dumbledore in

the Harry Potter show coming to HBO. And they want to do it for they want to do it for seven seasons. He's 80. Well, the first one died in Harry Potter and they kept rolling. Oh, God, Haifitz. I'm sorry. I know he doesn't live, but does, how many of the, like, how early on in the story does he die?

I can't imagine it's that early. He will have to make it to 2030. For sure. Wait, what? What's the new show about? This is a good idea. They're doing Harry Potter, but basically the episodes are going to be chapter by chapter, right?

So it's like the first book is a season. I have no idea. Wait, they're redoing the movies essentially. But as book. It's a good idea because, frankly, like,

there's so much book that, like, they have to cut so much for the movie. The way that you say that, the way that you've been saying, there's so much book. It's like, look at better,

Michael. Like, the way that you're like ignoring grammar. There's so much book. Should that be it? Should we put that on the Instagram? Come look at banner, Michael. There's so much book, Danny Hifitz on Harry Potter.

So Hifitz, what season do you predict John Lithgow's character will die out of seven seasons? Just asking me which book he dies in? Yes. It's six. I'm sure people could look it up. All right. So he's got it. He'll be 86.

And that's if they do a show a year. Why didn't they hire a fucking, get Clint involved? Can I give you? All right, wait, while we're here. Clint will be around. They have to make, the Harry Potter shows to make one thing right. Clint's to be directing season seven.

He probably is. And he'll do it in about four days. No retakes. They're going to do one time. Harry, it's not me, not Hermione. You. You. It's a great cut.

Runs been splinched. No, that means. I never seen it. Dick, you've seen it, but you haven't read the books, Craig? I haven't read a book. At some point, I have to just rant to everyone. Dick, are you going to read, you should read the books to your son? I will,

Skippy is going to read book to Calvin. There's a lot of books. Yeah. She's already tried and not going to lie. Sorry, everyone out there. He got bored. He didn't want to read it.

So we're going to try again in like a year. Yeah, that's fine. He's four. He has a very short attention span at this point. Somebody reading a book to me sounds miserable. Craig, that's because you're 30 years old.

Liz doesn't just read you a book to bed Every night she tries to read the Chronicles of Narnia to me It doesn't work I just can't latch on Oh my God It just sounds like you gotta It's like the whole joy of reading a book As you can go at your own pace

You can reread a line The idea of somebody just vomiting it at you And you got to kind of juggle everything And then understand the story It sounds bad Yeah, I agree. You know? Although I guess that's what an audiobook is.

Yeah. And I don't mind those. It's kind of like a podcast. It is. Yeah, but audiobooks, I listen on like 2X. One of our first arguments was Craig was like, if you listen to an audio book and you say you read it and Dickie was like, yeah, Craig was like, can't you? Eh.

You too have a argument. You've consumed the story. You've consumed it. Yes. but you have not read it. Okay, that's fair. You changed the verb. We've got to have a better,

we gotta have a better verb than consume. I've absorbed the book. Right. It's like I know Kung Fu. Right. You didn't learn Kung Fu. It was just uploaded to you. That's a Matrix reference for the record.

I know. Okay. Just checking. You guys seem lost. I've only seen, I think I've only seen the first Matrix. Is it in the first one? Yeah.

it's been a while. I watched a lot of movies. Talking about another disappointing end to a franchise. The first one was awesome. The second one was like, all right, well,

there's still some fun parts. By the time you get to the third, I didn't even... There should be a fucking luxury tax for making sequels. Like, you should have to pay more to make the second,

the third, the fourth. The more you make, the more it costs. So you better be confident that movie's going to make a billion dollars because you've got to pay

a 20% tax if you want to make movie number four. Who's the money going to? The consumer. Yang Yang Twins. It's going to whatever state it's filmed in.

Probably John Lithgow. It's all going to Vin Diesel. Boy saying Groot. Dude, the video of John and Vin Diesel, everyone's thinking everyone sent in their YouTube videos. I'm watching them. I don't know how we're going to figure out a way to get a mention. One of my favorites, just Vin Diesel doing all the I am Groot.

Like, you were seeing him in the studio. And he's sitting there, he's like, I'm Groot. I am Groot. I'm Groot. And he just does it like a hundred times. And it's nothing. What a bizarre career. Such an amazing job.

He got like $20 million to do that. Took him like a day. Yeah. He is, wow. That actually might be the most money for the least amount of work I've ever seen. Maybe it's up there in human history, right? It is.

He's Craig. He's D.K. I am Groot. Goodbye, everyone.