The Ringer NFL Show - Seattle Won the Super Bowl, You're Welcome America. Plus, Bad Bunny, Best Commercials, and Clavicular Gets Frame Mogged

Episode Date: February 9, 2026

The guys react to the Seahawks winning the Super Bowl, from Sam Darnold’s redemption arc and Ken Walker’s MVP performance to Seattle’s defensive domination of the Patriots. They also unpack what this title means for the Seahawks’ future and Darnold’s place in NFL history (00:00) Intro (00:52) Seahawks Obliterate Pats, Win Super Bowl (04:20) Sam Darnold: Super Bowl Champion (22:47) Fart or Shart: Drake Maye (54:59) Intrusive Thoughts (59:23) Best Announcer Moments (01:07:54) Non-SEA/NWE Winners and Losers (01:13:32:00) Bad Bunny Halftime (01:18:49) Commercials (01:34:27) "Clavicular" Discord link:  https://discord.gg/Ge8bbYHrau Check out the 2025 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings: https://fantasyfootball.theringer.com/ Email us! [e-mail] Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Kai Grady, Carlos Chiriboga, and Cameron Dinwiddie Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy football show. My name is Danny Huy Fins, and I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Coralbeck and the Seattle Steelers are Super Bowl champions. You did it. Craig, how do you feel? Well, I'm feeling pretty good. You know, no one's really talking about the fact that, sure, the Patriots have six Super Bowls, but they also have six Super Bowl losses.

You know what I mean? Six and six in the Super Bowl kind of ugly. The Steelers, six and two in the Super Bowl. I feel like that's what we should be talking about. We needed to be making this by the Steelers. That's for sure. Yeah. D.K. Seahawks fan.

You won the Super Bowl. How does it feel? It feels incredible. This was an ass kicking. I feel like what Craig was saying it basically the whole game. The score was a lot closer than it felt during the game. Like that was the Seahawks absolutely dominated. Basically from start to finish.

First three quarters, it was. Bel to ass. Felt to ass. Yeah. So I feel great. Particularly defensively is because the Seahks couldn't stop kicking field goals, which is why the game felt closer than it actually was. Right, right.

But I feel great. I'm excited. So you always joke that a. familiar feeling after a CX win. Misery. What is your... This is good. Allation. It was... It got a little miserable there for a while because it was so

close until I don't know. They went up 20... What was it? They went up 29 to 7 after the interception pick 6, which really felt like a fumble 6, but it was technically a pick 6. At that point I was like, okay, I feel good. So 2913, D.K. You seemed relatively

calm. You didn't talk a whole lot during the game. You checked your heart rate, it was flying in the first quarter. You have a whoop. I was in stress zone. Your whoop was like, what are you doing right now? Yeah, your quarter's all was up. 9-0 at halftime. But you felt pretty confident the whole game, I feel like.

I did, yeah. I think because the Seahawks defense did exactly what I thought I would do in basically just slowly draining the life out of the Patriots offense. I mean, if you look at some of the stats for Drake May for their run game, basically their offense, through three quarters, they had punted, I think, more times than they had completed a pass. So that was pretty much exactly what I expected to see. And then on the offensive side of the ball, like for the Seahawks, you know, they had a

couple of misplays. There was a Sam Darnal just barely missed J.SN. He would have been free for like a, like an 85-yard touchdown. He had a couple of them. That was early in the game, almost should have underthruh touchdown at the end of the first half to JASN, had to miss Rashid Shehijid should have had a touchdown. Like the Seahawks won by two touchdowns. Really, they won by like four field goals, but they won by two touchdowns, but they very

easily Seattle could have won by four touchdowns. Yeah. It was, I mean, it went about exactly what I expected. I mean, the game ended up having more points than I expected early on, but I thought the CX were going to dominate defensively, and they did exactly that. I mean, it was just, the Patriots could not move the football. They, you know, until the fourth

quarter when they had that touchdown to Mack Hollins, that, I think on those two plays, they had more yards on those two plays than all plays prior to that. So, I mean, the CX really put the clamps down and, you know, the offense made enough plays. Sam Darlane made a couple of

nice throws. Kenneth Walker was awesome. He made some explosive runs. Super Bowl MVP Ken Walker. Yeah, Super Bowl MVP, Ken Walker. I've been saying it for 10 damn years. And then their special teams were awesome. This is kind of like the story of the Seahawks season in a nutshell

was their defense was absolutely dominant. Their special teams came through in the clutch. I mean, obviously the kicking game was great. Myers had all of his kicks, I believe. And then the punter, Dickson. Michael Dixon.

Shouts out that guy. He fucking crushed. Just coffin cornered it like three or four times. Pinned the Patriots back. They won the field position game. And Sam Darnold didn't turn the ball over. No turnovers by the Seahawks during the playoffs. To me, that is the biggest stat probably of them all.

The Seahawks offense completely reversed. And I talked about it all season. It was like the only thing that was driving me crazy about the Seahawks season was that they kept turning the ball over, these stupid turnovers. Donald led the league in turnovers. And then zero turnovers in the playoffs. Let's just talk about Darnold then. Yeah. I agree.

Darnold, I mean, this is one of the most incredible stories in any sport, like, certainly in our lifetime. It's just the comeback of, like, the truth is, like, you build people up and then people, like, tearing people down. And then we also, like, seeing them get built up again, and we pretend we weren't the ones making fun of them. But, like, we were. And Sam Darnold was a great prospect, and then it was very funny to make fun of them. Obviously, the first quarter of a... Got mono. Yeah, got mono. Saw ghosts.

Saw ghosts. That was funny. and I mean this is amazing but I agree with what you said like if the defense obviously was incredible for Seattle but the thing we'll remember from this in terms of Darnal's legacy

is Sam Darnold the seeing ghost guy who even like when he had the Viking season melted down all the turners everything even you go back to that Niners week 18 game which was for the number one seed in the conference didn't turn the ball over that game either so the last four games that were basically playoff games Sean Mike Dugger

or sorry Mike Sean Dugger at the Athletic had this that Sam Donald basically completed like 67% of his passes had had no turnovers in Seattle's final four games. Sam Darnold had no turnovers in the final four games and it's funny, they were in the beginning of this game. The Patriots defensive backs were so aggressive. They were trying to jump routes.

Undercutting routes, jumping in front of, you know, passing lanes, all that stuff. It was scary. And Donald wasn't making bad throws. They were incredibly accurate. It's the only reason why they weren't picked off, but they were incredibly risky based on where the defensive backs were. Craig made the point during the game,

and I kept thinking about it, that. Donald's passes were giving us like real clenched territory because it was Donald, but you were like

you know if Mahams was doing this would be like oh my God he's so good. So perfect. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He did have a couple

misses but there were some throws that were like threading the needle between defenders but because it's Donald, I'm like that's a bad decision. But he throughout,

he had some incredible throws in this game. And again, I really think though the thing that is like the defining part of Sam Donald's

career resurgence is the single worst part of his game, which was dealing with interior pressure up the middle. He would panic and make bad decisions was the biggest strength he had in this game. Because the truth is, the middle of the Seahawks defensive line, sorry, the middle of the Seahawks' offensive line

got beat almost as bad. Their biggest vulnerability, yeah. Yeah, like, honestly, we're going to talk a lot the Patriots rookie offensive linemen got their shit kicked in this game. Yeah. But the Seahawks' middle of the offensive line

almost also got destroyed. Milton Williams kept coming up the middle. of the field at Donald. And he kept making a miss like a Mattador, stepping up in the pocket, making plays, scrambling, or anything just throwing the ball away. But there were genuinely

four or five plays in the first half that Sam Donald could have taken a sack, done something done, done a Carson Wentz, and he either made something positive or didn't do anything dumb. And that is maturity, and that is 100% what has changed in his career. It's a great call.

He, I think Stephen Ruiz tweeted this. He was playing like May had played for most of the season. Yeah. Sam Darnold basically did what may have did all season, which was when pressure comes up, he was stepping, he wasn't even like scrambling a bunch. He was just sidestepping the pressure in the pocket. Yeah. And then and then there was one play in particular when things were getting kind of dicey in the fourth quarter and the CX were kind of trying to run the ball out to run the clock out. And they set up a screen. The Patriots sniffed it out big time. And it was like reminiscent of the Stidham play against the Broncos where he just kept backing up, backing up, backing up, back and Stidom made the mistake of throwing the ball backwards and it turned into a touchdown. Darnold just just chucked it at the ground, like save the play, lived to see another down, they punted it away, whatever.

Like that to me was like kind of emblematic of what Darnel did late in the season. It really does feel like he exercised the demons by beating the Rams in that huge, very pivotal game, I believe it was like week 17 or 16. And because like before that, he had gone through a stretch in the middle of the season where he had like 10 turnovers in like three games and he was kind of melting down and it could have gone either way like he could have snowballed

and it could have gotten a lot worse but he got better he kind of calmed down and the Seahawks did a good job of coaching him and their run game took off too like in the second half of the season so that was really helpful but yeah I can't

can't explain like how awesome it feels to see what Donald did in the second half of the year in the playoffs he kind of just to me eliminated all the doubts that I had about him during the course of the season where I was like, man, this is a Super Bowl caliber defense, but what is Sam Darnold going to do?

I mean, he freaking, all those doubts in my mind evaporated. I mean, the mental toughness for Darnold. Yeah. I mean, when the signing happened, we were like, Gino Smith for Donald, what are we doing? Like, he just melted down again. But to your point, exercising the demons thing, the larger run, this is an all-time exercise the demons run

between Sam Darnold, But also, D.K., the Seattle Seahawks winning the Super Bowl against the Patriots. Yeah. Who you had the worst Super Bowl moment with a Malcolm Butler thing. So you beat them. Yeah. And you do it in the 49ers Stadium and the 49ers are your most bitter rival. I know.

You avenge the worst loss in your team history in the stadium with Kyle Shannon having to do in the little pregame show with the, you know, Fred Warner in San Francisco. Yeah. So do you just feel unclouded? It's delicious. Just absolutely. Delicious, I swear. I mean, like, this season in total has been so incredible from the way that they beat the Rams late in the season twice, the way that they beat the 49ers late in the season twice. I can't ask for any more to beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl in San Francisco on the 49ers home field.

The Seahawks defense doing what they did. Yeah. I can't imagine a better outcome for someone's team. Like, truly, that is insane what just happened. I didn't even really think about the fact that you went through both division rivals in the playoffs. You humiliated everybody. Going through the NFC is a freaking gauntlet. And the Seahawks, and they proved what I kind of felt in my heart,

that the NFC had prepared the Seahawks for this game, and it was going to be utter domination, at least on the defensive side of the ball. My main fear was like Sam Darnold or, you know, the offense or whatever, just doing something silly, giving the ball up. I feel like the big question going in was like the turnover. She was going to win a turnover battle. Drake may had three turnovers, Donald had zero.

I was incredibly impressed with Donald's maturity. And I feel like mentally going forward for Donald now, he's going to be even more comfortable and unlocked. Like the fact that he finished the job, if he had lost the Super Bowl, it's obviously still a huge accomplishment making the Super Bowl. His whole season was great, all that stuff. But man, I feel like I trust him so much more going forward now because the monkeys off his back. And his teammates adore him. I mean, his teammates, I mean, Ernest Jones, the linebacker famously early on in the season, it was like, if you're not behind Sam Donald, fuck you.

and then he did it again after they went into the I think after they won the NFC championship game he's like again anyone who doubts Sam Darnal fuck you he's like if you don't chew

big red fuck you great stat about Darnold the first quarterback to win a Super Bowl on his fifth team I mean how many people get the chance to do that I mean it's insane

and again I think he's the I think I really do think the Darnal thing and again Drake May kind of played like what we thought Sam Darnal might play like and Darnold played how Drake made

against the shitty schedule dude the pocket presence thing that you were talking about was so real May was stiff back there the interior line would get pushed into him and he wasn't maneuvering around it well. Donald was doing all that stuff. It's the difference between being 23 and being like 29.

And it's the, it is, I think this game from the quarterback level is the embodiment of when the game slows down. And like what that means is like the game is slower for you. And the way I think of it sometimes like quarterback is what is like basically Milton Williams, who's 330 pounds and a crazy athlete and trying to kill you. He's trying to hit you as hard as possible and he's like 10 feet away. And the difference is, it's kind of like a basketball player where you, like, LeBron or any good point guard, can close their eyes and they can tell you where all the other nine people are on the court.

And the difference in being quarterback is when you're 23 and Drake, it's really hard to have Nick Mn Morrowie running as fast as possible, even if you get around him and then look back up and do you remember where the other nine people in downfield are? And darn, like, sometimes you need five years of reps and a lot of mental reps and a better system

because you could just tell, Darnold was died stepping Milton Williams, not panicking. he's like, I know where to go. And to be able to do that in one second, sometimes it takes people six years. And I think that's what we saw at Arnold. And they blitzed the shit out of drink.

Oh, my God. That was an interesting storyline in this game because the Seahawks defense, this off-seat, or during the whole season, basically, the M.O. on them was they can get pressure with four and they can get sacks by not blitzing. Basically, they were one of the least blitz-heavy teams in the NFL all season long,

but they also were one of the highest pressure rate teams in the NFL. And the way they do that is by... You don't know who's coming up. You know, you're making it look like six or seven different guys are going to come, and then you drop a few guys back. What was that? You're going to make it. All these guys are coming. So it's the Bukaki defense.

They're just coming all over. It's a bucocchi. But, I mean, what we saw from Devin Witherspoon today was a classic example of, you know, giving the team something that they really hadn't seen or didn't, like, expect. And he came in on a couple of blitzes. Stop. I was impressed how much you kind of just. I just powered it. Yeah.

Yeah. And, yeah, I mean, they blitzed a bunch in the first half. It really rattled May. It really felt like it rattled May. I mean, he got sacked, I think, six times in this game. Plus, he had the pick six, which was kind of another sack. And so, you know, this was, I think, an awesome game plan by Mike McDonald. I mean, he dominated in this game as well.

This was, I think, coming into the game, one of the big schematic chess match things was the Patriots were one of the most explosive offenses in the NFL, explosive play rate. And the Seacks were one of the most explosive, like limiting explosive plays on defense. And on that note, just how important that is, Bill Barnwell had a great breakdown at ESPN this week, where he pointed out that in the new NFL lost three years, teams that have more explosive plays than the other team, like, basically more 12-yard runs or 60-yard pass plays. It's actually 60, more correlated with wins than turning the ball. More predictive, yeah. Like teams that, like, the most, the first thing analytics proves was that the turnover battle is right. Like, if you win the turnover battle, you're going to win the game.

in the last three seasons, having more explosive plays than the other team was made you more likely to win than getting more turnovers than the other team. And then so this game was the Patriots had the most explosive plays in offense the Ux allowed the fewest. And to your point, it wasn't even close.

And there was very little, any explosive play for the Patriots happened kind of in semi-garbage time. Yeah, the last... I think so, yeah, the biggest plays for the Patriots were... They had the Matt Collins touchdown. It was the Matt Collins two played. Yeah.

But then there was stuff like, Henderson had like a 24-yard catch in the fourth court. I mean, that was when the game was folded over. So, here, real quick. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven out of the top eight plays, according to yards by the Patriots, were in the fourth quarter. Yeah, yeah.

And it was garbage time mostly at that point. The two big plays, basically the two actually important plays in this game that the Patriots hit were the two plays to Mac Hall. Yeah, is that one drive. Yeah. Yeah, and that was, which honestly, winner was NBC for that drive happening, because a lot of people turned the game off. Yeah.

And so, I mean, to your point about the defense. And again, both teams blitzed a lot, to be clear, the Patriots, I think Ali Connelly, who has a sub-sect, pointed out that the Patriots first half blitzed like 70% of the time or something insane. Like they were jumping on routes, it was insane. But the Seahawks, to your point, they rarely blitzed on third down, but when they would, they would always get there.

And in this game, they just blitzed every third down. Like, Devin Witherspoon could have been the MVP of the game. Like, he had two sacks. Devin Withersprud blitzing personally ended like three different drives. It's funny. It was kind of an old-school game. It was. I don't think there was a fourth-down attempt in this game. It was field goals.

There was no two-point conversion. Field position. It was taking the points, punt the ball, play it safe. I mean, Frabble didn't go for two. When they were down 12, he could have made it down 11. He didn't do it. That was kind of bizarre, yeah. It was a very old school, like, try to get sacks, win the turn of a round, win the game.

There was 15 punts in this game. It was defense. How would you grade this game in general for the average fan? I mean, for me, it was awesome. But yeah, for the average fan, probably a pretty boring. Yeah, boring. No, I mean, it was better than 133, Pat's Rams, but. It was better than last year's game because it, I was,

It was better than last year's game, I think. Well, people say they didn't like it. For me, it was. You don't count for this. People say it was. Trying to be objective. It was fun watching the Eagles belt to ask the Chiefs. Yeah, it was.

Who do you think would win? It was shocking. If we just picked up, if we went back in time and these Seahawks played the Eagles last year, what do you think the game would be like. I mean, I said this, I think the other day, I think the CX are better than those Eagles. I'm standing by that, but. I think it would have been an awesome game. I worry offensively, that's what Seattle would have been able to do against Philly's defense last year.

But going through defense last year. But going through defense. I mean, there's like no disrespect to them. I'm obviously a Seahawks fan. But yeah. I mean, the fact that the Seahawks won this game, Jackson Smith and Jigbo was a non-factor. He had 27 yards.

He hurt his ankle slash, maybe he had a concussion, was out for a while. Pretty irrelevant. I mean, Cooper Cup had 60 yards in this game. It was all Ken Walker, basically. Ken Walker was unbelievable. He deserves Super Bowl MVP.

I mean, again, first running back to win Super Bowl MVP since Terrell Davis. In 98. Yeah. I mean, I think the fact that we were debating whether it was going to be Ken Walker or Myers, the kicker. Or Dixon.

Or Dixon, the punter for MVP. You could have given it. Dixon, honestly, like, the fact that we're talking about special teams? I mean, Myers, what was his longest field goal? Like, he wasn't even in, like, 55-yarders. He didn't do anything. The punter was more impressive. Every time they got the ball inside the five-year-like, they're screwed.

I mean, he was. He was huge in this game. But the first half. Seven puns for Michael Dixon. Yeah. No, but really the first three quarters, the only difference between the team, like, both defenses were playing really well.

Yeah. The difference was that Will Campbell for left tackle for the Patriots suck, but Ken Walker was amazing. And Ken Walker, there was a point, 40 minutes to do the game. He had as many yards as the rest of the Seahawks total. At halftime, I believe Ken Walker had 60 more yards than all the Patriots combined. There was a stat that Ken Walker was the third player in Super Bowl of history that had multiple 25 yards runs in a single Super Bowl.

That was before the first half was over. Exposive play, what we talked about with explosive plays, like the rate of drives that end in a score when you have at least one explosive play is like exponentially higher than if you don't, especially in a game like this. When you get 30 yards. Supposed plays are huge. Would you get 30 yards? and the kickers can make 50-yard field goals,

then you're going to get a field goal, and then this was a field goal game. The other thing is he had nine, according to, I saw a snap from PFF, he had nine broken tackles in this game, which is, I think, more than everyone else combined in the game.

I have a new nickname for Kent Walker, and I want to call him chicken salad. Because every time he gets chicken shit, and there's some play that should lose a yard, he turns it into four, and every four-yard run, he turns it into like 14 or 30. Well, that's what, yeah,

early in the game, we were talking about, I can't remember the exact context of it, but they basically did an outside run, run. And I think for 95% of the running backs in the NFL would have got stuff for, you know, a three-yard loss. But he got to the corner, you know, beat the, got to the edge and gained like 10 or 15 yards on the run. It gets back to the explosive play thing. Yeah. Like having a guy like Ken Walker who can turn chicken shit into chicken salad obviously means so much more now that like one 20 or 30-yard

run can completely change the trajectory of the game. And on that, yeah, I mean, Ken Walker was phenomenal he deserved it again. He was great. He had half the, he had as many yards as all the Seahawks combined at one point, like pretty late in the game. And he almost had that extra 30, 40-40-yard touchdown to close the game. Which would have been so much cool. Because he had a hundred to sixty total yards, but he wouldn't have been over 200.

That would have been cool. I think I saw he would, that would have been the NFL, or the Super Bowl record. That rushing record. That would have been really cool. I am. Before we get off the defense, though, we have to go back to the Seox defense, because it was so impressive. I mean, there are so many things you could say, but in short, this was

the number one defense against the run and the number one defense against the past this season. And then you go into this game and I mean, I don't even know where to start, but Seattle allowed 78 yards through three quarters. And then I, I, the Patriots had 51 total yards of offense at halftime, which is the second fewest in Super Bowl history. Oh, sorry, second few is this century behind only the Chiefs last year who had 23. Like, before the game was functionally over, I would argue the Patriots had six or seven. Oh, fuck, I did it. Shit. There is something. You do always land on six, seven, saying, I don't know why. You know, so I was going to say four or five or six.

Five, six doesn't flow as easy. Seven, eight. I guess seven. It's just subconscious. But they had like six good plays in the entire game. Yeah. And two of them were on the Mac Collins drive. And they couldn't run the ball at all.

No. And they came out. I mean, they came out they had one good play in the beginning. But I mean, put it this way. Honestly, it's funny. Just look at the first, like, the way the game actually went. The Seahawks defense did so well. The first half, the Patriots literally punted five straight times and then kneeled to go to

half time. So they started with five punts and then a kneel. They come out for the second half. three and out, three and out, three and out, turnover, turnover. It's about as good as it gets. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, the, yeah. I was kind of bummed. I was kind of bummed in the fourth quarter. You know, you know what it is? I wanted, like, I wanted the beat down numbers, you know, the fourth quarter made it look a little bit interesting. The Patriots did what the cheese did last year, where you look back at the Super Bowl and it was like 40 to 21.

And you're like, it was 40 to freaking six, basically. And that's what this game was. It's why I think we need a true game score. stat, like true shooting percentage or something? I think the true game score here, it was like 35 to 7, that's what the game felt like. I wanted to call it. This was last year and this year, like, I think that I call it like a

friend zone game where you're like, if you weren't there and you just kind of, like, it seems like you were close, but if the people there were like they never had shot. Right. If somebody called me and was like, oh, 2913, like, okay how competitive was it? I'd be like, no, it was really like 35-7, that's how it felt. DK, are you going to buy Super Bowl

merch? Do you do that? Yeah, I'll buy some. I bought some. I bought some. I bought some. I bought some. I bought some from Super Bowl 48. I like doing that. I think that always ages nicely. Like to have that 20, 30 years from now, I'm like, oh, I have the 2026 T-shirt, I think is nice. You absolutely should get your hands on all the Super Bowl. I know, I love doing that stuff. It's the best.

Because also, you'd literally never throw it away. It's like the only... No, I have, I have like two workout jackets from their first Super Bowl. Yeah. And yeah, those are like, prize possession type stuff, yeah. I would probably, like, the only clothing I would grab if my apartment was on fire was my Super Bowl 42 shirt.

like that's it's just it's the best thing ever we gotta get you a hat what if it was that versus your cat which would you grab the cat first obviously I have a whole plan for the cat I'm one of those people that would probably unfortunately die going back for my cat like I would rather like die than live without

without your cat we have to we have an important conversation to have though okay we have to be serious it is time for America's favorite segment fart or shart DK Finn and Kelly

Why do you ask me? Where are you been? What do you mean? What have we been doing? We unfortunately have to talk about the almost MVP, Drake Maybe. Right. Who today, you can't look at his stat line because he almost had three,

almost at 300 yards past there. The fakeest stat line of all time. You can't look at it at all. Seven minutes left in the third quarter, he had 18 total pass. To Derek Carr asked stat lines. Yes. You can't look at it. 300 yards, two touchdowns, two picks, a fumble.

He ran for almost 40. D.K. where are we at here? Is this a, look, this is the guy's second year. They had an easy schedule. He overachieved. Drake May maybe even still deserve the MVP based on his regular season stats. Or is it, I don't know, maybe this man was kind of exposed,

and this is going to be a longer process than we thought, is this guy actually elite? Right. Or is he, you know, is he benefiting from the schedule? I don't think this is a shart. I think the stuff that you... Well, the game was a shart. You're saying to his career, this is not that important.

If the question is like, is he actually bad? A fart is like, a fart I think means it's like that was bad, but if you wait, it'll pass. A shard is like something might need to change. Does it temporarily change your opinion of him or permanently? Temporarily. I mean, look, he certainly, I think this game shows in basically all the games in the playoffs. He had like a pretty horrific playoff run despite the fact that they made it to the Super Bowl. If you look at his stats, their offense played four very good defenses in the playoffs.

and their offense was very bad against all four teams. This is better win for Seattle than it was a worse loss for New England. But that being said, I mean, we're talking about Mack Hollins. We're talking about Kashan Booty, who we're talking, you know, Stefan Diggs, 31 years old or whatever he is, coming off an ACL, the offensive line was completely overmatched. Will Campbell. Completely overmatched. You know, so I think he'll be fine. I think there is now losing a Super Bowl is psychologically very difficult for a lot of players.

and sometimes it can ruin the vibes of the whole roster. Drake May, don't take the team to Hawaii. Right. Don't do that. Luckily, I feel like this was a team lost for the Patriots. Like, they were bad pretty much everywhere. Their defense was pretty good. What are you going to do?

They ran into a buzzsaw. I think this was a fart for Drake, man. I mean, look, you had the most stacks in a playoff run ever. You're the most fumbles in a playoff run ever. I mean, the interception you had. That's damning stuff, but at the same time. What's annoying is if you're a Patriots fan, you can easily just lean back and say, look, okay, sure. He's like 23 years old deal.

Look, it's a fart for Drake May, but it's a chart for Will Campbell and Jared Gwelson and the rookies on the offensive line. It was a chart for the offensive line. But if we're being honest, we said this as a joke on Friday. I actually think it was probably the smartest thing we said the entire two weeks between the Super Bowl

and the championship games. This was weirdly not a most win game for the Patriots. And we said that as a joke. Of course, the Super Bowl is a most win game. If we're being honest, if you actually look at like, Like any Super Bowl in, let's just say 30 years, has a fan base ever been able to talk themselves into

that wasn't that big of a deal faster than New England Patriots fans right now and this loss, because the reality is, aside from they just won six Super Bowls and they've been to 12 Super Bowls. I know. It's like, oh no, the 12th Super Bowl in my lifetime. Like, in reality, I'm like the captain of the ship for the whole, like,

losing the Super Bowl decimates an organization. I don't think that's the case for this one because the reality is they're ahead of schedule. Like this team lost 13 games last year. They have like 30 new players on the team this year. Exactly. Like they weren't supposed to do. Mike Vraibald's, dude. Unfortunately, Hyvitz is right.

And like, for a Patriots fan, like, big deal. They'll be fine. Yeah. Cool. Not only is it this team probably shouldn't have been in the Super Bowl, but also you just went to 11 in the 21st century. So it's not even like, you know, you're the Bengals and you're like, we're never here.

This is, this matters so much. We're the Cardinals or something like that. We may never get back. Yes. Vrable, it's his first year as a head coach for the Patriots. It's Drake May's second season. And the reality is the talent was really bad. And I don't mean that as a dig at the Patriots.

It's incredible the team made it this far at all. Yeah. And it's a sign of how incredible Drake May is and Mike Vrabel. And so the reason I reject the farted short, we had to ask it because he played poorly. But the reality is the entire Patriots offense relied on this 23-old kid who won one game entering the season. And he always,

almost one MVP, and he played so well, and mostly on his incredible deep accuracy to players, I can't stress enough that the Bills, fans almost like stormed the facility for the Bills' headquarters because how bad the receiving corps was, and that Stefan Diggs and Matt Collins were kicked overboard by the Bills.

And they're playing in this game for the Patriots. Kaysham Booty's a sixth round pick, playing for the Patriots. Like, all these guys, like, and again, Will Campbell and Jared Wilson are the first rookies to ever both start on an offensive line in the Super Bowl. Like, yeah, you know what?

They got their shit kicked in by a fucking one of the best defenses ever that's not a surprise. You know, yeah, yeah. But like, I just, we talked about this coming in. Well, we said that the Rams Seattle game was the Super Bowl and it kind of was.

It absolutely, well, I was going to say. I kind of like hate saying that, but... It was. Yeah, it was. Look, it's one of those that, it feels presumptuous ahead of time. But then later, like, I have a whole list of people

who are like winners and losers that aren't in this game, but I think Sean McVeigh, top of the list. because the same way that he, I think McVey and Shanhan feel like McVeigh stole a Super Bowl from Kyle because the Rams Bengals thing,

there was a feeling that the NFC team would have won that game, which it became closer. But this is like, McVeigh and Stafford, this was their chance. Like they, if, like this whole result does feel representative

because it felt like Rams and Seahawks were the best two teams the entire season. And we kept talking about parity and this whole year like, wow, anyone could win it. But this result feels right because Seattle felt like the best defense

wire to wire. And the Texans were, you know, other conference opposite style of defense. The Texans were also awesome. But the reality is the Seahawks were the best team, wire to wire. And even the three games they lost, the week one lost to the Niners, like, man, they should have won that game.

And then even the game they lost to the Rams, where Donald threw four picks. They lost by two points. They tried to kick a 60-yard field goal, I think, at the end, and they missed. I mean, they could have. They were close to winning that. They really almost won all three games they lost. And then again, the games they won, they kind of blew the, they blew the fucking doors off all the teams that they beat.

They're just them in the Rams. We're the best two teams. I don't know where this fits in, but I do, I felt this way the whole season, and it feels especially strong now. There's so many parallels between this team and the Seahawks in 2013, where the Seahawks in 2013,

if you don't remember, one of the best teams in the NFL. This is Russell Wilson, Marshall Lynch, Richard Sherman. The Legion of Boom at its height, pretty much. Some incredible personalities on that team. I think that was the one of the more brash, high personality teams of all time.

That's the biggest difference between that team and this team. That's what really feels the most different to me is this Seahawks team is very, they internalize things more. I think it's all about us. We just do our jobs. We're going to win. They're like Mike McDonald. He's quiet. 100%. And like Pete Carroll's like boisterous,

run around on the sideline, Richard Sherman, Michael Bennett, Marshawn Lynch, Percy Harvin, Golden Tate, all these guys that are just larger than life. But if you look at the parallels between that season and this season, So basically that season, it was the 49ers in the Seahawks were the two best teams in the NFL. And the Super Bowl, according to all the players, was the NFC championship game when the Seahawks won on that Richard Sherman tipped it to Malcolm Smith in Kaepernick.

It was like Capernick to Crabtree, Richard Sherman tipped it, game over, going to the Super Bowl. Is that when Sherman yelled into the camera? Sorry, ask. Don't ever test me with the sorry. And we just told the story this like a few weeks ago of why he was so mad. And apparently Crabtree came up to him at some party, like the offseason before. Dude, it was in the summer. They hated each other before. And it was fun.

And, yeah, that was a back story. That was his redemption arc. So who do you think, who do you think was a, when you look back, who we look back on as a better team? Because I know it's not over yet. Because part of it's the Legion boom went to the Super Bowl two years a row. Right. But the Seahawks are probably going to be Super Bowl favorites next year because most of these players are coming back. I know.

The Seahawks have a ton of cap space. Darno is still under contract. They're young. They do have some older guys that are really critical, but I don't think they'll be going anywhere at least for one more year. Leonard Williams, some of their defensive linemen. Better than the older players were on the Legion of Boom.

Yeah. But I think... I think... To answer your question, and I said this before, and I still feel that way pretty much, that 2013 CX team felt, I don't know why, just historic. They were just so cocky and confident. I do think the personality matters.

It's because... Well, also, the way we remember it is because instead of this team beating the Patriots, it was Peyton Manning through for 5,700 passing yards and threw for like 55 touchdowns. And they literally the most points yards to touchdowns in the history of the NFL. And then they scored eight fucking points. And they got lost by 30. I remember, and my buddy Curtis Crabtree was reporting on that game. And I very vividly remember him saying after the game,

it didn't feel like a surprise to any of the Seahawks. They came in knowing they were going to win that. game. But doesn't this game for some. But that's what I was getting to. Basically, the full circle of it is, I felt this way all week, you guys can attest, I was obviously very nervous still because weird things not happening any games, but I felt all week, all two weeks, that the Seac just knew they were better. Which is a terrifying place to be in. You're like, I really think we should win this game. I was like, I know, I feel like very confident they're the better team, but weird shit happens, you know. But dude, even in the in the interviews after the

game, it was like Mike McDonald's style. like permeated the team so much. Like Ken Walker and Darnold and none of these guys were that excited. I love my teammates. Yeah. It was almost like the environment is so intense and serious in the locker room they forgot to be excited.

It's like they thought there was another round. Yeah, I was expecting them to be like, well, this is fun and all but like we gotta get focused on week one next year. What are they all going to be watching tape? The other person excited was Jody Allen. Well, Jody Allen, but Witherspoon had a good interview after the game.

Devin Witherspoon, who I think is kind of the spirit animal of the defense. He's just playing. He's a maniac. out there. And after the game, he was like, you know, very happy and boisterous. And he's like, I'm going to go have a beer, maybe two, maybe three. I don't know. We'll see. So he was great. But, yeah, overwhelmed, like the overwhelming feeling of the post game was like, we knew we were going to win this. This was great. It was kind of anti-calmatic.

It was like, Donald, how's the deal? He's like, love my teammates. There's a great win. We did it together. Well, he shouted out the defense. And he was like, hey, 12s, give it up to the defense. Do you actually mind? Because I feel like we're always like the defense. And I kind of want to go through the players on the Seahawks defense because it's an all-time team. They're going to be the Super Bowl favorites next year. They were all healthy. Even Nick and Munwari, who couldn't walk on Wednesday was unbelievable. Some of the videos came out, by the way, we didn't really talk about.

Emin Worry got hurt after we recorded whenever it was Thursday. Wednesday. And he, the videos that we saw of him, there was one video of him getting out of a truck and walking, I was like, this guy can't walk. No. That is extremely concerning because one other variable, like last, the Super Bowl of the Seahawks lost the Patriots in 2014. I don't know if you remember this, but Cam,

Chancellor got hurt on like Friday. He hurt his MCL in a practice and then he was not nearly himself in the in the game. And so I was like, oh my God, this is Cam all over again. This is insane. But he was fine. He played great. But well, I was going to say, I want to go through some of these players because they were unbelievable.

Again, Devin Witherspoon, who not only could have been, at least was maybe the defensive MVP this game, but just the blitzing that they, and again, it's just coming in like a missile. It's funny. The whole, like, you send five guys at a bad offensive line because you want everyone one and the Sealks kept blitzing and it was both a tendency breaker and exposed. them. So you have safety is running around guards and tackles. And they were so good. But it's more than that.

Devin Witherspoon, who, again, was one of the picks they got in the Russell Wilson trade. I believe. And he's the embodiment. Again, Mike Sean Dugher just wrote a book about the Legion of Boom. And it's phenomenal. And I recommend it if you're a Seahawks fan. But he talks about that team versus this team. He's like, Devin Witherspoon's the embodiment of this team. Like, if you're like, who does Mike McDonald want everyone to play like on a

not a day-to-snap thing? How you carry yourself in practice is everything. It's like Kobe Bryant or any great athlete. how you carry yourself in practice is how you carry yourself in the game and when you're like, who should I look to as a rookie of how to carry myself? Is Devin Withersfield?

And he's unbelievable. You have Nick Em and Worry, who again is this freak athlete that is like the key to the secondary and is the reason this team went from good on defense to elite is that Nick Em and Worry basically is able, again,

like he's able to play as a past defender and he's so freaking fast that he can play as a run defender and running up and like still blitzing without even being near the line of scrimmage but he, after I was worried that he would not be himself. And then early in the first half,

when a huge play, there was a second in 20. Like the Patriots got a Seac Sack, Drake May, there was a second in 20. And Drake May scrambled. He almost took up the entire 20 yards and got a first down to get the whole thing.

And Nickyman Worry runs up. Tackle in space. Sheds a block. No, but he sheds a block. Right. He gets blocked. Basically, like, trucks the blocker, knocks him out of the way,

like stack and shed, and then grabs Drake May and brings him down and creates a third in nine or third and 11 instead of a, a first down. Yeah, he had a lot of room after Emin Worry. He was amazing. And so it's like, I mean, Kobe Bryant almost intercepted a past.

Not the one I just mentioned, the different guy named after Kobe Bryant. Like, everyone in this game was amazing. Like, Byron Murphy, DeMarkey, DeMarcus Lawrence. I want to go through it real quick because you, I think this is right. Like, just thinking, thinking about some of the players on this team, like the two older guys on the defense that they're going to have to figure out how to fit them in next year. But Leonard Williams and DeMarcus Lawrence, St. Marcus Lawrence, straight up one of the best off-season. It's him and Sam Darnold are the two best off-season free agent signings, maybe.

in the NFL this year. So, him and who? Darnold. I'm sorry, I was distracted because, you know, Leonard Williams and Darnold both came from the Jets. And the Giants to Giant, Leonard Williams, the both New York teams gave up on Leonard Williams, which was a mistake. But so going through and watching the game, Uchana Nuoso had a couple big plays. He had that interception. It was an interception, but it was really a sack.

Yep. And then the ball fell into his hands. Devin Witherspoon hits him, and Wosu catches. And then, so the Seahawks defensive line is like seven or eight guys deep. Craig and I were talking about boy Mafet at one point during the game because he had a play where I think it was

May got outside the pocket and Moffay just closed on him instantly like a heat seeking missile and I was like man that's just so indicative Derek Hall had a huge game Riley Mills rookie fifth rounder who had an ACL tear coming into the draft they CX got him in the fifth round

he had a play where he just bowled Jared Wilson over right into Drake May for a sack their defensive line was just all over the place. And then Byron Murphy, I have to mention Byron Murphy, just absolutely dominating on the interior. You know, they just have so many guys. It's so fun to watch that. It's worth explaining, like, why is this? Because my dad was like, my dad called me a string. He's like, why is this defense so good? And I think sometimes we make it too complicated. There's, again,

there are all the nuances and the details that I don't even want to pretend to understand with this. It's like Mike McDonald's an extremely detail-oriented coach. But it's also not that complicated in that we're growing up, we talked about defense is having a front seven. They don't have a front seven. Seattle has a front six. Like they have four defense of linemen

and they have two linebackers. They front six. And they take this six, seven, they take the seventh guy and they put them toward the pass. So it's like they're, they always, instead of having four defenders committed to the passing game,

they have five committed to the passing game. So you're like, oh, if there's only six guys guarding the run instead of seven, you'd think their run defense is bad. Nope, best run defense in the NFL. So you're like, how is it possible to take a, a guy out of run defense and then get better. And the answer is twofold. They built it that way so that

the front six guys are like the best and most ass kicking six guys ever because if you know that intentionally, so you get Leonard Williams in a trade because you need him to be a run kicking out. Like Byron Murphy, they draft the only defense attack on that draft and he was incredible. And that was a mistake. Other teams didn't take him. They go and get DeMarcus Lawrence from Dallas where other people think he's watched. He's like maybe the best run defending defensive end in the NFL. We also talk about Sachs. It's like to Marcus Lawrence's run defense. at his age makes this possible, like all these other guys.

And then again, it's also not that complicated. Everyone in the... So the front six, they're all better at run defense than anyone they're facing an offense so they can make up for it. But also, it's simple. Everyone in the secondary can tackle.

Like, that's it. It's like Devin Wetherspoon, he's not a big guy, and we've got to remember this for the draft. Devin Wetherspoo is small. He plays big. He's an incredible past defender, but he can tackle.

Nick Iman-War can tackle. Even Rick Wullen, what he wants to, can tackle. Kobe Bryant, Julian Love. All these guys can tackle on the run. game. And so they're all cross-trained. And then on top of it, they're all cross-trained. This guy likes to see howx more than you.

No, this is speaking my language. I love this stuff. Everyone can do everything. What I was thinking while you were doing this breakdown, and you're absolutely right about all these. I think Devin Witherspoon being a maniac, this is why you draft a corner who's 185 pounds or whatever he is, sixth overall. I think he was sixth overall, fifth overall. Yeah, six. Which the Broncos gave up that big for Russell. He is a fucking Wolverine. He's just so ferocious. He plays so hard. There were so many plays in this game

where he just came out, like watching the broadcast angle, he just flies in off screen and just nails a guy. It's like the most fun playing Madden when you're on defense is to just be the corner and just fly to the quarterback, and it was working.

He was swinging around, lineman. I was wrong. He was fifth. Fifth. So the other thing I want to mention here, which really does need to be mentioned is you mentioned a lot of those guys,

DeMarcus Lawrence, Leonard Williams, Jaron Reed, they signed a free agency, all these draft picks that have really panned out. If you look at the last two or three years of draft picks, John Schneider is one of the best GMs in the game. I mean, he now has basically taken two set completely different teams to the Super Bowl, you know, with different coaches and not one player on the previous team.

The only person that even kind of bridges is Jaron Reed, and even then he wasn't really there for the Super Bowls. So what he's done is incredible. I mean, he built, and he hired Mike McDonald. Which is also an incredible, I mean, again, ditching Pete care, again, you know what, the real thing, John Schneider, you're totally right about everything you said, where again, most Super Bowl teams drafted a ton of guys that were above average starters in a very small amount of time. I've said it before, but that Chiefs team, they almost did a three Pete, not because they had Mahomes, but they had Mahomes, and then they hit every defensive pick they made in the draft for three years in a row. And no one knows who Brian Cook is, but Brian Cook is a safety for the Chiefs who almost won freaking three Super Bowls in his first three seasons because they just hit over and over. The Seahawks did that, both 15 years ago and now.

But the other thing John Schneider did is the Bill Belichick version with the coach. And I'm not, no, it wasn't up to John Schneider, but Bill Belichick always did the one year early instead of one year late with the players. I think it kind of was a power play by Schneider. Well, then there you go, because here's the thing. Think about all the teams that didn't do that. Of the Bealecheque always wanted to be one year early than one year late in the players. And the Seahawks were a year early in P. Carroll than a year late. And so look what happened.

They got in with Mike McDonald. and then they got Mike McDonald and then look at a couple of these teams I guess it was two years early but look at like the Steelers and Tomlin where they didn't get they could have Mike McDonald or they could have had last year

they could have had a Vrable or Ben Johnson or Liam Cohen. You look at the Ravens of John Harbaugh where you know they get Chessieman We got Mike McCarthy. We're fine. I'm just looking at this roster again, man and we didn't talk about a couple other guys.

DK's roster baiting at the end of the season. I'm just looking at this. But look seriously, we talked about all those guys and the draft picks that John Schneider's hit, JSN and Witherspoon in the same draft. Wasn't it the same draft? Yeah, they were both the first round.

And then they drafted Murphy last year. They drafted Emin Worry this year and Gray Zabel who helped transform the offensive line. But, and then obviously in Free Agency, Sam Darnold and DeMarcus Lawrence, who the best. But hold on, you know. Trade, they traded for Ernest Jones, who transformed their defense.

They traded for Rashid Shahid, who won the Seahawks, probably two or three games this year, just based on his explosive play potential. They, I'm just like looking. He's the only player in Turner to kick a punt for touchdown. Signed Cooper Cup in offseason who's been really a good role player for him. They, what else do they do? Kenneth Walker, draft pick.

Like, he's been absolutely critical for them. Like, so many of these guys, John Schneider just made the most incredible one. So, AJ Barner in the fourth round. He scored a touchdown in this game. He's been huge for him this all season. And overall, though, if you counted as one move, trading Gino Smith for a third round pick and then signing Sam Darnold on the open market.

Right. I think it's probably not in the top tier of best moves in NFL history. I mean, no. Well, it's probably not the best, but it is probably

actually in the top tier. Gino, because the Raiders got the first pick in the draft with the Seacch had the last year. And the Seahawks won the Super Bowl.

With Pete Carroll. At that level, the only things above it are probably like, you know, the Herschel Walker trade and the Cowboys get all these picks and then win like three Super Bowls. Like, that's probably higher.

But this is like, we, and again, morons, I can't think of that. thought it was a little risky to go and get Sam Donald for Gino-Smith. But I think Mike McDonald and John Schneider need to get credit of this probably is one of those things that we'll talk about. And they hired Clint Kubiak.

Hiring Clint Kubiak and getting Donald Gino, it's one of the better off seasons any teams probably ever had. Is anything everything Seattle did this year? Especially because I didn't think everything works like that's usually what needs to happen. Unfortunately is like everything's got to go right and it kind of did. And they're like, oh, can Donald not? We literally were like, oh, what if Donald doesn't stop turning the ball over? and he literally didn't turn the wall

of the final four games. The CX haven't lost since November 16th. So that's what the Eagles were like, too, is belt-ass from then on. So we don't talk about Mike McDonald's, who the head coach of this team, is quiet. He's the Sean McVey of defense.

Now we can say it. I mean, he's literally 38 years old. He's the youngest coach in the NFL. He's the third youngest coach to win his Super Bowl, I believe, off the dome after John Gruden and Mike Tomlin. An incredible stat also from Mike Sean Dugger, shout out of him,

is that Mike McDonald is the first coach to serve as the primary defensive play caller for a Super Bowl champion? which is fucking amazing. They went through and looked. Well, the most head coaches didn't call plays for a long time. You had coordinators do it. That's a fucking wild.

Offensive guys do it. He's the first, it's kind of the first defensive guy to call plays in the Super Bowl. I know. That felt impossible. That's per the athletic, the athletic research that. Mike McDonald's also basically had the best defense in the NFL to the last three seasons because if you count three seasons ago, the Ravens were by far the best defense. He's the cutting-edge guy and like play hard, play fast.

they just pants Kyle Shanahan where they just obliterated the Niners twice in a few weeks and then one in their stadium. And then they made Shanahan go on NBC and talk about how good the Seahawks were in San Francisco. That was real like

fuck chair like hey Kyle Shannon sitting in your stadium and watch this your literal bitter blood rival. He's like sitting in his suit, uncomfortable talking about how amazing Seattle is and how strong defensively. There was an interview from before the game where he was basically.

And he was really good actually. He was asked like how do you beat the Seahawks? He's like you might be asking the wrong guy like I couldn't score a touchdown on them the last two games. Bruttle, yeah, Mike McDonnell, man, he's just really fun to watch coach. It's funny because I didn't think

I would be able to love the coach as much as I loved Pete Carroll during the, you know, the Pete Carroll era. He was so, I mean, he helped change the Seahawks franchise, the whole organization, everything he did. Reenergized. And he's a real character.

McDonald is like, understated. He's very different. Do your job. Very, very different. But, and I think I, I think I said this on the show before, but he's basically competence porn. Like, he's just so fucking competent. at everything. He's really good at coaching the defense in terms of getting them where they need to be.

He gets so much pressure with four guys not really blitzing. He is on it in terms of game management. I don't remember any massive mistakes from game management point of view. Small ones, but like for young, the flaw usually with these guys who call plays as head coaches is you lose attention to detail elsewhere. Usually special teams or game manage. Sean McVade didn't learn how to fucking manage a game until a year ago. We're still do weird shit. Yeah. But even, but he got better this year. But calling time and fourth down, Sean McVeigh was like pretty terrible at it until 14 months ago. To your, yeah, Mike McDon't timeouts, all this stuff. Again, they have the best special teams in the NFL.

The attention to detail is insane. He and, I mean, he and Schneider hired the offensive coordinator who's now one and done and going to be a head coach now. I mean, obviously that doesn't happen probably if the Cucks don't get this far in the playoffs, but still. The thing I'll say is they were healthy too. They were healthy. They were healthy. Everything has to go right. The final four teams are the healthiest teams in the NFL.

and then Bo Nix got her after that game. But the final four teams were the healthiest of the whole group. You know what I mean? And that was not a coincidence. I think he did a good job. Stuff that goes that kind of flies under the radar, but he did a really good job coaching Sam Donald through that really rough patch in the beginning of season

or in the middle of the season when he was turning the ball over a ton. You know, he's just so, again, it's just the competency that he has. And incompetence is, it sounds kind of like, like not a high praise. To me, that's the highest praise you can give someone. He's super competent. I trust him in almost any situation. I trusted him to get the team ready.

It's a well-rounded person for a 38-year-old play quarterback. I mean, it's crazy. This is also a guy, by the way, who was, he could have gone and worked on Wall Street. You know, he was like a really... He thought about quitting the George as an undergrad or, like, as a graduate assistant, and going to a consulting firm. This is just a very smart

individual, and I really trust him, and it's It's so cool to have him as the coach of the Seahawks because I think he, I think it's repeatable what he has done this year. So I'm super excited for the future too with him. I mean, like, look, I have almost no notes on this season. It's fucking crazy. The Seacups won the Super Bowl. It's a cool story. I cannot.

It still hasn't really sunk in. You know, the only team that really gave any of U. Fitz was the Rams. I know. Dude, McVeigh is probably just, they are shit right now because he knows he couldn't be the Patriots. McVeigh and Shannon are just on the phone. Like, what the, like they're, they're brutal. McVeigh must be miserable because the Rams would have kicked the shit out of the Patriots too.

I mean, and the Seahawks beat the Rams this year twice by the slimmest of margins. I mean, is that honestly? Absolutely slimest of margins. Maybe one of the biggest sliding doors moments in recent history is Zach Sharbonne taking up the two-point conversion. Think about it's crazy. If Zach Charbonnet doesn't do the two-point conversion. Do the Rams then win the division? The Rams are probably the one scene.

And then everything goes through L.A. and the Rams instead of Seattle. Wow. That's how the NFL goes, man. It's crazy. The Rams probably was kind of a fraudulent ring now that I think about it. That technicality is why they got home field. That's the right spin zone is really like the Patriots, if you think about it, the Patriots kind of won this game if you think about it because they got there and like,

they're just there and like they were barely trying. The Seahawks tried really hard. Do you want to know how many people are thanking me? Just fans of random-ass teams thanking me. Seattle really did save America. Can you imagine if the fucking Boston people got to have another ring when they weren't even trying? Do you think it was unfair that, look, the Patriots got to play their first two playoff games in really cold weather. This one was, it was not cold enough for them.

It was weird weather for them. They're used to playing in the snow or really cold. I don't know. It's not really fair. Well, speaking of which, we have to get to, you know, we're so back. We are so back as the Patriots were just scheduled merchants the entire time. And now we can kind of acknowledge two things as true, which is the Patriots were incredibly well-coached and unusually disciplined overplaying the, below average roster they had

and also they only got here because the schedule was like perfectly aligned for them to make it which is cool because they still did it and congrats to them on doing it and also they absolutely played a really easy schedule and they got their doors blown off because they weren't that good. Yeah it's like I think of like those March Madness teams like Belmont or Drake or something that go like 31 and 2.

Drake, there you go Drake May. It's cool. They won the games but look we all know who's supposed to be an national champion. Dude, Byrne Buckmaster had this. I'm sorry, I don't know how to pronounce your name Byrne, but like the according to next gen stats, Will Campbell surrendered 14 quarterbacks in the Super Bowl, and that was the most of any...

Quarterback pressures. Sorry, court... That would be crazy. He surrendered 14 different quarterbacks. That would be crazy. It felt like it. Yeah. And like, but 14 different quarterback pressures in the Super Bowl,

and that was the most in any game all year. Yeah. Which is, which, but it felt like it, because he was the weak link. And I will say, it was going to make... It's not about his T-Rex arms. I think it's about he had an MCL injury. And when you have T-Rex arms,

this is all. things. I'm just saying you've less margin for error. If you have a physical thing, you're not that fast, you're not that big, you don't have that much reach, it's not that you can't play. It's that when you lose whatever athleticism around it, then it's a problem. And clearly, since he came back from injured reserve, he suddenly is not as athletic enough to make up for being derexed. I think because this game went the way it did, it's almost easier for Patriots fans. Now they almost have to admit, yeah, look, the schedule was really easy, okay?

Hey, look at our bright future. Yeah. Look how good the future is. They'll look back on this year like, man, remember when we overachieve and that plucky first-year team made the Super Bowl? How cool is that? Yeah. Which is totally fine, and it's what they have to do.

There's no other argument you can make. Right. And I, it's... You skirted by Jared Stidham, and you got your shit kicked in by a fantastic defense. And it's like... And now you know, Rabel is the guy for like, literally for 15 years. Like, Rabel is the man.

They're set up well for the game. If I can be any team for the next five years, the Patriots are probably number their top three. When you have a quarterback like May. And to be clear, my takeaway from this at all is not that Drake May is bad. My takeaway is that Drake is 23

in the entire offense. They need more around him. He has to have deep shots downfield. He has to have 80 or, he has to lead the league completion percentage while also being the best deep accuracy player and also when there's pressure from your rookie left tackle,

a rookie left guard, you need to escape every time. It's like everything was on him. Also, you're playing the best defense in a long time. I mean, the same way Sam Darnal was seeing ghost against Bill Belichick, Drake May was seeing ghost against Mike McDonald, who is the Sean McVey of defense. It's like, what are you going to do? Sometimes you're just a little outmatch, and he's young and he's inexperienced.

He'll be totally fine. I will say, speaking of it's so over, we're so back. The MVP argument, it's so over that Drake May. I know it's a regular season award still. It would have looked fucking weird if he won the MVP and then had this run. So Matt Stafford against the Seahawks this year, Stafford is terrifying. 960 yards,

eight touchdowns, no picks in three games against the Seahawks this year. He had over 303 touchdowns two weeks ago. It wasn't close. And again, I'm glad, I agree.

I think Stafford deserved the MVP and like I waffled. I feel like at times I was bullied into it. But I do think it comes down to this. By who? I won't name names. I think it comes down to this,

though. And I think Patriots fans are like, a lot of, well, I was going to do an impression, but Bill Simmons, Patriots fan who employs us, was kind of like, well, Stafford has McVeigh

and Devante Adams, and Pooka Nakua, and if Drake May had that, everyone would be talking about it in the supporting cast. But I think it's, in a way, I don't know the perfect way to decide MVP, but if you think about, if you're like, hey, MVP should be whittled down to like the top two or three candidates, whoever it's close.

And clearly it's 24 first place, oh, it's the 23 is very close. But then once you have those top two guys, you're like, well, you can watch all the tape and you can look at all the stats. But once you have those two people, who would you pick to win a game tomorrow? And nobody would fucking pick Drake May. everybody, all 50 people,

would pick Stafford to win the game the next day. Isn't that the answer? Now, look, there's probably career bias there because we've seen Matt Stafford do it. So I think that factors in a little bit, but you're right. If Matt Stafford is on the Patriots today, they have a better offensive performance.

They do. And you could be like, oh, well, he's not as mobile, but it's like, but if you had to pick a player to win tomorrow, you'd pick Stafford. So I think it was the right, obviously this game makes it a lot more palatable. But, yeah, I mean, that, again, I always get to think it's funny

when people are mad that you're like, I think your quarterback's the second best player in the entire league this season. People are like, how dare you, sir? Like, it's just unbelievable. Yeah, Mike Rehable's the MVP, your coach of the year, and you're like, but I also want the most valuable. Second is unacceptable. Do you guys have any intrusive thoughts watching the Super Bowl?

This is by no means a referendum about us watching the game together because I had a great time. However, I do really feel like watching the Super Bowl. Bowl alone is the superior experience. Yeah. Which is so lame and weird. Watch it alone. I think Super Bowl parties suck. And half the people are trying to watch the commercials, half aren't, half are trying to watch

the game, the others aren't. And it's just a mess. A lot of the people that are there don't watch a ton of football. There's a lot of there's a lot of catching up going on in the background. It's just a mess. A Super Bowl party needs two rooms with two TVs. Because here's the problem. People are there for the game talk during the commercials, and people who are there for the

commercials talk during the game. But then when everyone's the same room, no one's happy. 100%. You need two different rooms to two TVs, but even then, when it's more game-oriented, it's like, if you're there and your team's in it and other people are there, you're like, I'd rather not. Nightmare. So, and Craig can attest to this. Like,

before the game, I was bouncing off the wall, just anxiety, nerve-wracking, and High-Fitz keeps asking me to, like, do, like, social media stuff. I'm like, leave me the fuck alone. I just want to, like, watch these, I just want this game to start. If you're looking at her Instagram story being like,

Why didn't they do that much content? It's because I thought Danny Kelly might have killed me. I had to like murder and walk away a couple of times. Two years ago for the, whenever the second Chiefs Niners Super Bowl was, I was going to go to a Super Bowl party, but I got sick that morning and didn't feel well. So I stayed home. I watched the Super Bowl alone on the couch with a glass of water and had a blast.

It's the best. It was great. It's way better. Every play I was like, I miss nothing. It was wonderful. It's amazing. It's funny that I spend almost the entire season. I'm almost always watching games alone.

And I'm kind of with my own. thoughts, I can take notes. We're texting and stuff like that, but for the most part, I'm sort of secluded in my little dome of whatever. And watching the game with a bunch of people, it's just a totally different experience, so stressful. I mean, obviously, great outcome. And I'm very happy, and it was actually quite fun.

But before the game, I was like pretty, and I said this to you guys. I'm like, kind of miserable to be around in those scenarios. No, no, you're so fun. I'm like, just leave me alone. Great watching it with you. The last time we were all together watching a crucial Seattle game was the Mariners. I know.

Oh, God. Yeah. That was awesome. So I thought you were fine. It was nice that they kind of jumped out to a lead and it never really felt like. It was, I could tell the energy was different because the Seahawks were favored. And it's also your job.

So it's probably a little less pure. But like, you were favored and it's different. The Mariners thing was like, this is, they are very much like not favorites to win. Yeah. And also this has not been a thing for like 25 years or whatever.

and none of my friends have seen this in forever and like the Seahawks though second Super Bowl in 50 years or first depending who you ask but the my intrusive thought yeah I said it earlier but I still feel it wait not really a must win game for the Patriots I think that's right or at the very least

it's probably the least must win Super Bowl for any team ever I didn't really have any I wish I was prep for that but yeah maybe it's probably maybe like the Packers when they won all of them at the start but like other than that I don't know I think Patriots fans if you could measure how crushed a city was by a I lost. This has to be the least

crushed of fan base has ever been by losing a Super Bowl. Yeah, I mean, everything lines up. It's like they played a juggernaut. They've literally already won six Super Bowls recently. They have a super young team. It's kind of like... I don't want to speak for Pat's fans. I feel like do it. Maybe it is crushing. Who knows?

I mean, it sucks. It always sucks. It's probably crushing for the five-year-olds who have never seen a freaking Super Bowl. Think of the children. I wouldn't say I had any intrusive thoughts in this game other than oh God, it's happening again. At a couple moments during the game, I think it was 19 to 7,

and I was like, this doesn't feel great. When the CX lost the Patriots in 2014, it was, the Patriots came back from a 10-point deficit in the fourth quarter, which at that time, I think at that time was the best,

or the highest score anyone had come back from in the fourth quarter. Obviously, the next year after that was 28 to 3 thing. Yeah, but that in the fourth quarter was even pretty bad, wasn't it? I don't remember

But anyway, at the time But I started having It was 29 in the fourth quarter of that game But maybe I'm wrong Can we go I want to go through a few things First of all The announcer moments from this game

I gotta say I thought this whole game was kind of quiet Muted I thought I have kind of no memory Of Colonsworth or Torrico really There was no standout moments No signature moments Other than maybe the pick six

Yeah It was late It just felt like I actually think Collinsworth Didn't speak a whole lot Or there just wasn't a ton of moments For him to make his mark I feel like they kept waiting for things to happen, but I agree that...

I mean, there was 15 punts, so I guess it's hard. No, it's true. No, but... Totally. I think the NBC broadcasts at Toreko and Collinsworth is the best, outside of like Amazon is the cool, but... Yeah, I agree. They're the best explaining the game within the game, and maybe they make the decision,

they probably make the conscious decision for 120 million people. They're not going to explain stunts by, like, DeMarcus-Lorenson people. And so I think they actually do dumb the game down a little, for lack of a bit of term. Not that they dumb it down, but they decide to not educate as much. But even basic stuff, like, their replays, they were kind of like behind. I thought every, but I have to say a horrible thing. It was the first game I ever watched where I thought Collinsworth was a little old. Was it his dyed brown hair on top with the gray shortcut on the side?

It was. What the fuck was that? Weird. Weird hairdo. Died his hair and he was running late. He was like, I'm going to miss the game. We only, he looked honestly like the trailer for the, I haven't seen that Bride of Frankenstein movie. Oh, yeah.

But he kind of looks like that. Like, why did he die? Well, it was extra short on the sides, gray on the sides, and then a real, like, deep mahogany brown on top. And it just looks very odd. Have you ever, like, I'm not a hair expert. Have you ever seen anybody do what he did where he died 70% of his hair and then left the rest gray?

It's comforting to know that at any level you could have a bad haircut still. You know? You ever just go to, like, a new barber? What did you say? Can I have a bad haircut if I was super rich? Do you shave your hair? To be honest, you could grow your hair out.

Yes, and then have a bad hair day. All right. How long would it take you to grow your up? You choose to remove the possibility of a bad air there. I don't want like the ring. I'm not looking for that. I don't think I can pull off to Larry David. I kind of think the ring should come back.

I think people jump to ball too quick. The ring? The cul-de-sac. It's like the... George Costanza? Yeah, the Costanza. I think in certain... With certain people, it can look okay.

I think it stays short. I actually don't think it looks that bad. No, I think... Lidding it's like... Larry David is like a little flowing. That's your worst take. I think the actual take is that... I think...

I've had many worse than that, but thank you. No, I think the real take is that I think being bald is not as bad as it thinks. And I know that it's a hypocrite. See, that's... I feel like you can't say that. Well, I know that if I... It's like, you're saying

it's not that bad if you're a Patriots fan and also if it's bald... How could you say it's not that bad to be bald? No, no, I'm not saying that. I'm not trying to make the guys be like, what the fuck. I understand the general outrage you guys have at me right now

because I remember thinking, why do guys freak out about going gray? Like you actually can look good like that And then the first time Jackie said you have a gray hair I said what the fuck did you just say to me? Of course, but that's like, I was like freaking out. Yes. But let me tell you this.

But when I look at bald guys, I'm kind of like, they look legit. What is that? Cooler than you think. I guess no one, I guess they don't care what I think. I don't know. Do you look wise? I feel like he's trying to give me a compliment

but I'm getting madder and matter at him. I'm like, I don't know. He's like mansplaining baldness to you. You actually don't have to worry about being baldness. Yeah. explaining. Okay, do you think George Costanza would have looked better bald in Seinfeld? That's exactly what I'm trying to say.

Now, now it's exactly what I'm trying to say. Instead of the ring. I think Rockler Is that asking? Yes. I think George Costanza's hairy in Seinfeld doesn't look bad on him. Can we have women who, can we have women email in and tell us? You think he should have gone bald? Yes. I think it makes you look about 10 years older. No, no.

The difference is you need a, you need a decent beard game. And I don't know if Jason Alexander slash George Cassanza has that. He would look like a fucking cue ball. I want to retract what I was saying and I made everyone mad. Careful. Yeah. That's what I'm trying to say.

Bald's better than the beard than the ring. You don't have to throw in a fucking, all right? A fucking cue ball. You have strong facial hair. I have no idea what Costanza was capable of. I don't think it's that bad. I think Costanza, he would look better like on a date, but also he probably as a character wouldn't be so iconic,

but that's kind of the point. Where did we get on this? I don't think we need to shame this look, is all I'm saying. Anyway, other announcer moments. This guy's fucking crushing it. I don't mind it. But he's crushing. He's a, he's...

I can't throw stones. You know, the glass houses and all. I want to see you... You're a super little bit of that. I want to see you with a little bit of that. Maybe a little shorter. This should be his punishment for the Ring of Fantasy League last year. Frank, maybe I will grow it out for you just to see how it goes.

Yeah, I don't think it needs to be that long, but maybe a little... I really actually... I don't think... genuinely, I kind of want to try the Larry David. The problem is it takes a long time to do that. If you're bald and listening to this or just... I feel like really commit to it for a year. Please email us at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com

for either a greeting or just general hatred based on what you just heard. Please email us about your hair or lack thereof. Other announcer moments I have to mention, first of all from the pregame. They had Kyle Shanahan on the pregame show, which I thought was shocking. One, I couldn't believe Kyle Shanhan decided to show up.

I was both impressed with him that he... Did they get paid for showing up on stuff like this? I'm sure, but also like him going to the Niners Stadium. I doubt he showed up for free. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. he's like, oh yeah, but they literally lost two of the last three Seahawks games they played, or the Seahawks beat them the last two of the last three games.

And then he goes to his own stadium and sees their most hated rival win in their stadium. But Kyle Shannon was so good on the pregame because he wasn't talking jargon, but he got to the exact heart of the game. And he was just so eloquent and he was like, look, I have tried for two years to beat the Seahawks team. And you cannot pass on them or get big plays if you don't run. And they're so hard to run against. But there is no way to get big plays on them unless you're able to run. And it's really hard.

The Patriots can't establish the run today. They have no shot. And then they go to Jason Garrett. And Jason Garrett's like, look, if I'm on these players, breathe in, breathe out. Breathe in? Totally. Breathe out. And I think Jason Garrett's getting way more money to do this than Kyle Scha.

A million percent. There was a moment when Shanahan said something and then I went to Garrett and Garrett was just like, totally agree with what Kyle said. You nailed it. What's your favorite thing that he's always, that? Garrett said on a post-game show. I can't think of one thing. Or a halftime show. My favorite thing was...

What about Dungey? My favorite thing Jason Garrett ever said on a post-game halftime show is when they reminded him... Just fucking gems here, left and right. No, it was when he reminded everyone he'd fired by the New York Giants. That was my favorite thing he's ever said.

I can't believe they hired him. My favorite memory of him is every time it's the cut to him at the halftime show and he's just standing with a football waiting to save his... I think they got to establish the run. The other announcer thing was Chris Collinsworth said,

you missed this, Craig, and I'm excited to tell you about this. Mike Tariko was saying that because you have to declare an outside kick, you'll never have a situation again, like what Sean Payton did in the Super Bowl, where they did a surprise on the kick. And then Chris Collinsworth says, I was actually at the concession stand when that happened. To which I was so confused because so he was not announcing it,

but he was there. But he's so VIP that you're like, I'm surprised he would be having to buy his own stuff. So people are just waiting in line for a hot dog. With everybody else. he's a man of the people or is he just lying yeah

well not necessarily lying but tweaking like maybe he had the buffet table where he was in the bathroom you know what I mean and he wasn't going to say to 120 million like I was being he's stuff in his plate with whatever charcutory they've presented to him

there's no way he buys those stuff the steak and whatnot yeah lobster tail he was definitely at the buffet table in his private booth okay you guys you know just caviar just housing caviar

yeah cream fresh just keep naming nice foods You already said tartar Do you guys like caviar? I can't eat it Oh, right I don't like it I've had it before

I mean I don't think it's worth the price I don't know how rich I have to get Till I'm like oh yes yes yes But every time I eat caviar I can't believe this goes so much money Little salty gushers I don't know Fuck it A Thought it was bad when I said the Seahawks six or seven guys

You never knew is going to come And I was like oh Bukaki defense It's true It's true The Bukaki defense. Is that an expression that's ever been... Maybe instead of the dark side, they're the Bukkaki defense. The Bukaki Boys, maybe.

The Bukaki Boys? We're going to come in your face. Six-seven guys. You never know who's going to come. Jesus Christ. Winners and losers from this game that are not in the game. I want to start with the referees winner. The referees did a great job. We never, ever, ever say the refs did a great job.

Yeah, they backed off. There's never been a we let them play more than this game where the only calls were egregious false starts. And Ken Walker holding, which the touchdown that got called back was a holding. I thought the rest did a phenomenal job. They were barely involved. I think first half there was no penalties. They, or maybe one.

Even someone threw a punch that I kind of, Josh Job, I kind of thought was going to get flagged. And even then, I'm like, yeah, this is how the Super Bowl should be, which is I barely remembered the refs. Let the boys play. Loser, I think, it's easy to say the Niners are a big loser here because they literally just got rocked by the Niners and Shanahan had to sit there. they're in the corner and then watch Mike McDonald went in his stadium. So the Niners are easy,

but I kind of think the Vikings have to be the biggest loser here. Because they basically fired... Tough run out. They can say whatever they want. They fired the general manager for Minnesota because they were so mad in disbelief that Sam Dardle made the Super Bowl. And then Sam Darnard won the Super Bowl, and Minnesota could have just kept him. And they didn't.

And that was insane. And it was clearly, it seems the GM's fault. And Kevin O'Connell kind of wanted to keep him. And the GM, at least that's where it's going to go down. And Questi, now, Questi, the GM, pushed out Kirk Cousins, and then he pushed out Darnold. And then now we got fired, and they're going to bring Kirk Cousins back probably. But the Vikings

brutal. The Vikings, like, could literally be the Seahawks right now, which is kind of a bummers. They had the defense, they have Justin. Could have been mean. There are so many similarities, like they have a coach. We mentioned the Rams and McVeigh and Stafford are huge losers because, I mean, very couple plays go differently. Stafford

mini winner, though. Silver lining winner is Stafford a little bit. I mean, the Rams almost. The Rams were threatening to trade him. or at least being like, we don't want to trade you, but we don't want to pay you because you're old and we don't know if your back will make it, and then Stafford literally won the Super Bowl.

Yeah. Or great move by the Rams because they made him so angry that he was healthy. True. So whatever happened. I think winner is NBC because it was almost everyone's going to turn it off and the Patriots scored, the only good plays was to make it interesting at the end. Yeah, I mean, maybe ultimately they're losers

because the game wasn't great. I don't know. I did see on Twitter during the game, a lot of people were kind of complaining. This is a stinker. It's boring. Yeah. I have Dallas as a loser because they literally

They got rid of DeMarcus Lawrence And then he literally made fun of Michael Parsons on Twitter And Michael Parsons dunked on him Demarcus Lawrence was like, you can say whatever you want But you'll never win a Super Bowl in Dallas But I'm going to win a Super Bowl And then he won a Super Bowl And then Michael Parsons

We got traded by Dallas before he even played another game And Torres Is Hill Yeah obligatory Jets loser Yep Jets God Dude Just when you think it can't get any worse There's no there's no bottom with the Jets You can't go like

They give up a Super Bowl winning quarterback. Yeah. They like pick the right guy. They picked the right guy. Leonard Williams was absolutely critical to this deox. Dude, the Giants got Leonard Williams for a third round pick from the Jets, like five years ago.

The Giants traded him away for a second, but it was like they got like the 40th pick. They got a good pick for Leonard Williams. There should be like a league-wide competition, kind of an implicit under the table deal, to see how good they can make former Jets quarterbacks. Mark Sanchez. Where should Zach Wilson go next to succeed type thing? Right. That'd be great.

Leonard Williams. Kevin O'Connell's like, all right, I'll win 12 games with Zach Wilson. The Seahawks gave up the 47th pick and a fifth rounder for Leonard Williams, but the Giants got Leonard Williams for the Jets for a third round pick. That was like 68th overall. What the hell? And it's insane. And then we don't even talk about him, but Sam Darnold,

and like the best defensive lineman arguably on the Seahawks and Sam Donald came from the Jets. Also, the last loser is the streaker who apparent, is this true or was that a joke? Someone said that they briefly had someone ran on the field. I get why they don't show it, but I wish they should, yes. I wish they did. Kyle Williams apparently tackled him the Patriots receiver. Is that true? He corralled him.

Yeah, he didn't really tackle him. He kind of scared him into submission. He scared him into not falling over. Like a fainting ghost. And the guy literally started like, he's like, oh, God. He got footsteps and went down. There's a football player that's going to get me. He saw ghosts.

Yeah, yeah. But yeah, I kind of respect that Kyle Williams was just out there chasing him. Get this fucking guy off. They scored a touchdown on the next, like two straight plays after that, they scored a touchdown. They had the two big plays. Impressive to get on the field in the Super Bowl as a streaker. Yeah, not bad. Well, we don't know he was naked.

He could have just been like trying to do for AI and crypto and be like, oh, look at me. And then it's like, you know, we know what's going to look at you. You're just getting hated by Cowens. I will say, speaking of the touchdown, though. If they're not doing anything like, you know, racist or problematic, show them. I know. I don't want to encourage it. But that's so funny.

Craig's like negotiate with terrorists. That's really what you say. See, if you want the ratings. There you go. Cut to that guy. We didn't mention this. I know we're kind of off serious football now, but I actually thought this whole game

was like a boxing match. And the first Drake May fumble was like the actual first knockdown. Yeah. But I thought that... He's got... It was kind of like when you would watch those whole Floyd May where there fights

and you're watching like, it's pretty boring. He's not just never going to get hit in the face. And it was kind of the Seahawks. But there was body blows, body blows. But the Drake May fumble, but that when he did the pick and the Seahawks finally got...

If JSN was out of the game and they had the ball deep in territory. that is when the Seahawks just went for the throat. And they just went, Cooper Cup should have a touchdown. They were like screw it and they went back. And then that's when Barner scored. But we didn't mention that with Mike McDonald, but they knew exactly when to go for the throat.

And that's kind of one, and I just respected it. After that Drake May pick, which was a really brutal interception, even Collinsworth was like, I got nothing for you there. I had no idea what happened. That was a terrible threat. He was seeing ghosts. He had no idea he was looking. It was just like throwing deep.

Fuck it. Someone's down there. It wasn't even near the guy he was going for. It was crazy. Okay. Half time. Yeah? Bad Bunny? Oh, I was watching the Kid Rock one. How was Bad Bunny? Oh, yeah. Kid Rock. Yeah, sorry, Real America.

The wholesome, you know what, is, I'm glad. Who, Tim Alberta posted that, you know, I'm so glad that we can have a wholesome alternative for the halftime show for someone family friendly and, and a great representative for people of faith like Kid Rock who has songs like Cadillac Pussy. I thought the Bad Bunny show was fantastic. Yeah. I thought it was so fun and effortless. I thought it looked super cool. It was like this big house party. The camera work was very cool. There was a literal wedding that took place during the show. They got married. Two people actually got married. It was just like this cool house party. Like you were in the backyard hanging out. It just seemed like everybody was having a good time, very good vibes. It did not. Nothing felt forced. Like it just felt very together in a very effortless, effortless great way. I thought it was super fun. Yeah, he had Lady Gaga come on. He had And Ricky Martin was a guest, which was a great surprise.

Pedro Pascal just hanging out in the party. Jessica Alba back there. Jessica Alba looks great. How old is she now? She looks great. Sure. Yeah. Dude, the Alonzo morning meme where it's like,

it's like kind of like all the people are like, oh, I hate that he's not speaking English with, man, those women are hot. And it's like, you know. Trump did tweet, I can't understand a word this guy's saying. I'm like, well, he's speaking Spanish. So that would check out if you don't speak Spanish. He said no one can understand you. No one can understand.

I don't understand anybody say. No one is any idea! I don't know why that's so fucking funny to me. No one. He's singing in Spanish like, nobody can understand this guy. I will say the bad, but you know what's funny about it though? The, obviously, well, the only thing's the entire time he said in English is basically God bless America, and yet I feel like I got the message like loud of clear. Yeah.

It was for someone who actually, you, I don't speak Spanish, I didn't hear anything he said. And they didn't subtitle it. Didn't subtitle it. I'm like, I know what he was saying. Yeah. I think it was. the halftime show because all these halftime shows, it's like they're so big and fancy and like, you know, cool

and all these things. And Bad Bunny chose to depict like normal, regular people living their lives and having a good time. Yeah. And it was like bodegas and markets and old men playing cards and young women doing their nails. And like it was life as it's lived. And I think that, you know, obviously it's about real life.

And like, not obviously the end message of the, you know, love is stronger than hate, which I think when people take that as a shot at them, that kind of says something about them. If you're like, love is stronger than hate and you're like, hey, what are you saying? Fuck you, I love hate. Yeah. But I think it was a pretty masterful thing, not just to take the side of love is stronger than hate. God bless America.

God bless all these places. But also, I think when people and any group of people are demonized as criminals or, if we're being honest, like subhuman or any kind of dehumanization, I think that it is almost radical and extremely important to depict people in their everyday lives having a great time, just house parties and weddings and frankly, kind of like Puerto Rican

Goodfellas, like here's a shot of me and all these people I know. And it was the community and it was people. And I thought that that was, I thought it was beautiful. They did a good job of making it feel it was very necessary and very important, but it also didn't feel preachy. I thought it was really beautifully done

across the board. The production design, all of that. Him on top of the house, he falls into the house, everybody hanging out. Yeah, it just felt like you were in a backyard party. Ironically, it was kind of the like halftime show. It really felt like Garth Brooks, like, it's friends in low places. You know what I mean? It was like, these are, you know, it didn't feel like these are my famous friends. It's like, these are people I know growing up. And it was, it was a community. And then, yeah, I thought it was awesome. I mean, there was also some very strong visuals in this. Obviously, he talked about, he had the, you know,

the power, the people dancing off on the power grids. He got up on one of the, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Light poles. Obviously, that was, you know, allusion to the power grid in Puerto Rico after the hurricane that was completely decimated and wasn't fixed forever. Also, I thought it was interesting. He said, God bless America.

And then he named every country in the Americas. Yeah. Like right away. And that was kind of like, you said it during the thing. It was like, this is as inclusive as you can get. That was like the overarching motif of the whole. It was extremely happy. Right.

Yeah. And I, I like the way you said it, where it honestly, maybe one of the hardest things to do right now is to try to preach togetherness or happiness or love

and make a slight statement about not hatred but not be high horsey. And I thought he threaded the needle. And also, also great dancing, like fun, like a mix of like, here's some like beautiful models dancing

but also here's like a real couple getting married, actually getting married. Like it was, yeah, he threaded the needle. And look that they actually got married in that.

Yeah, that was crazy. It felt like they were getting married. Yeah. That was insane. Dude, who had the viral post that was like... The Kid Rock Show? The Kid Rock Show...

They were like, yes, the couple actually did get divorced. During the show. Everyone was wanting... It was actually a divorce. The Kid Rock Show. The other... Yeah, it's... Yeah, it was beautiful.

The commercials... I thought the commercials were overall... Bad. Maybe I missed some... I thought they weren't that good. Except for your brothers. Yeah, except for my brothers, who wrote the Liquid Ivy commercial.

So with the same... That is crazy your brother wrote a Super Bowl commercial. Yeah, very cool. I actually, they only showed the 32nd version. I want to watch the 60 second version. But yeah, shouts out Scott for doing that. That was very cool. Your brother, like, what a cool accomplishment.

It's one of those like, oh my God, that's so sick. What a great accomplishment? What is it? It's the one with the toilets, they're singing. You know, the one where the toilets, they want your pee to be good. Yeah. That was cool, but I do agree with you across the board.

It felt like the celebrity cameos are becoming almost, like just checking, the box and the commercial doesn't have to be good. Like the whole point is just like the face of the brand and a spokesperson and then you can just get in and out. I don't know. The Dunkin' Donuts commercial where it was a fake sitcom. There's like 40 people in it.

Eight different celebrities is like. Honestly, it's not dissimilar to what Bill says about how he hates that a lot of these like network halftime shows inside the NBA or not inside the NBA, but like all of these shows, there's just like way too many people jammed in them. Everybody has their like 30 seconds to get their point across. Not even that. That Duncan Donuts thing was ridiculous. It was like five sitcoms blended into one.

It was all the NBC ones. Sure. It was friends, Aniston, Joey, forget his thing. Seinfeld. Seinfeld, Teddance, yeah, yeah. They did all that, but it's like nobody has any time to speak. You, like, can barely catch a line or a joke. And before you know it, it's over.

And you're like, I guess that was like, Get it, Jen Aniston's with Tom Brady. It was a lot. It was also merged Goodwill Hunting. It was just a lot. The one that made no sense. No, none of them do. But even Duncan had a couple good ones.

I forget it was a couple years ago with Affleck that was really good. But like the one that I thought was really weird and I thought embodied how I felt about all of them was there was a Ritz commercial that had John Hamm, Bowen, and Scarlett-Johansson. And I'm watching it and I watched the whole thing and you had mentioned it earlier.

I was like, oh, I bet this will be good. They have a lot of people. They spent money in this. And I'm watching it. And then it just ends and I was like, was that supposed to be funny? Like I literally was like, was there a point that I was supposed to laugh.

And I was like, I don't spend all this money on this. They feel more sellouty than ever before. Yes. I also, I don't know if anyone else feels this way, but I've noticed, like, in the past few years, the way these commercials are edited, they're so fast, and maybe it's like the TikTokification of content

where everything needs to be quick and flashy. But, like, there's no time to breathe. I don't know if there's too many words they're trying to cram in, but I feel like a good commercial used to be like one tight message or one tight joke or two tight punchlines, and you could breathe in it,

you could deliver the punchline, you could actually interpret the punchline, and then the commercial would end and the brand would pop up. And now it's like, there's like eight people jammed into 30 seconds. You barely even know who the action. was for by the end because it flashes so quickly because they were trying to jam in so much shit.

I feel like the editing the literal piece of these commercials are way faster than they used to be. You know what's funny? Which might just be like I'm a boomer being like I couldn't keep up. But it does just feel like they're flying now. You know it's funny a couple years ago everyone lost their minds because like the especially like in the world of advertisers like this Coinbase QR code one where they just bounced it around like our logo. Yeah. At the big you know the beginning of episode like it bounced around the screen and they remember that but also everyone freaked out because like not only is that everyone's favorite ad but it on and the most memorable,

but it also got the only thing they want, which is you to pick up your phone and go to their site. So it's like the most memorable, the one people like the most, but also actually got people to do it. And what's so funny is if you pitch that again in the meetings,

they'd be like, well, you can't do that again. It's been done. And ironically, I don't know, probably should have just done that again. It's funny that no one did. But there were only a few, I don't know if you guys,

I have like three or four that I kind of liked, but I just think before, like the best Super Bowl commercials to me are the commercials that I remember, Like, I think the best Super Bowl commercial, I can recall, is the Volkswagen Star Wars one with the little kid. And the whole joke is that he loves Star Wars and he wants to. He's like, got the Darth Vader mask on. And the advertisement was that the car can be turned on with a key from the outside of the car.

And so he does like the force thing and the car turns on and he thinks he has superpower. So he thinks he has the force. And it's one joke. Like, that's just one joke for 30 seconds. It builds up. There's the one joke. Tram seven different things. Yeah.

I'm like, this was a good little mini story. And now it's just like fucking crazy. So can I do a quiz for you guys? Because part of me wanted to do a test of like whether you remember which commercial was for which product. Because the way they judge it is if you don't remember which companies for it, then it was failed. Sure. Like it doesn't matter if it's bad. You just need to remember the brand.

Yeah. So part of me is like, do you remember Sabrina Carpenter with all the chips and her boyfriend's a chip? There you go. All right. It worked. I thought that one was kind of funny. I thought the best one that's like in terms of like I'm going to remember this is one. frankly, number one, that

the Tarantino once upon a time in the Hollywood's getting a sequel and it's Brad Pitt and Cliff Booth, and that's going to be on Netflix. Directed by David Fisher. You looked at me like... Well, I knew about this. This has been announced for a while, but there was no trailer. I feel like they edited out stuff with little squiggles or whatever. Yeah, swear

words and things. I thought that was really fun. It looks great. I guess I'm not nervous. It's Tarantino and Fincher, but it's kind of, it's rare. Like, usually a spino movie about a character looks at as like kind of a cheap move that's often not like what you do with a prestige movie like once in time in Hollywood but that'll be great it looks fucking great as a normal person who doesn't know movies are coming out because they like announce them and I kind of just like saw the commercial and like that looks sick I was very excited I hope I hope it's in theaters for a little bit it's coming out on Netflix but I think they'll put it in some theaters I hope it gets theaters I thought my favorite commercial was the Pepsi the polar bears drinking Pepsi instead of Coca Cola easily my favorite one I miss out one I was at the... Yeah, I was getting concessions.

It's a polar bear who's blindfolded and he's doing a taste test and he picks the Pepsi takes off his blindfold realizes he chooses Pepsi and he's like to straw it and he goes to therapy. It's like a whole thing.

Again, a good concept. Just kind of a simple, good concept and I thought they nailed it. This is like when T-Mobile realized the Verizon guy was still around and they were like, he should just work for us. Yeah, yeah.

They don't have polar bears. They're like, they don't own polar bears. Yeah. That one was good. You know what was weird? There was a Svedka commercial towards the end-ish, and it featured robots partying and drinking Svedka. And at the end of the commercial, the robot actually drinks a glass of whatever cocktail. And you can, like, see it go down.

It's like robot throat. Oh, nice. And they like comes back, pours back out. Oh, my God. This looks horrible. This is like, I, oh, God. It's the first time I can ever remember. I know.

Oh, that's horrible. It looks like blood coming down his throat. It's, um, it probably shouldn't have chosen a red drink, but maybe a vodka cranberry is the most popular. But it's the first time I can remember seeing anybody actually drink alcohol in a commercial because I humans can't drink alcohol in commercials. But I guess if it's a robot, that's a loophole. Oh, my gosh. Because yeah, it's always like they bring it up to their mouths and they cheers and then it cuts. You can't drink it.

There's like, no, humans can't. Humans can't. Robots can, which is what an unbelievable world we live in where they're like the, just go down that rabbit hole. Robots sitting at a bar having Bud Lights slamming them. Yeah, just 30s. They should do a sequel to the Kelsey last year. A great commercial last year was Kelsey and Post Malone sitting there wanted to open their both lights.

And he's just like, you know, you can't drink a beer in a beer commercial. Oh, sorry, Shane Gillis. And they're like, you can't drink a beer in a beer commercial. And they're like, five, they should do a sequel to that where the robot's just fucking pounding me. Two guys sitting in chairs, very simple. Yeah, I just, I don't know. What commercial almost made you cry, any?

Oh, yeah, I had one. I thought, I was worried you were going to notice. Do you guys want to guess? Is it the one that said like, I actually, yeah, I thought it was the anti-Semitic one. Oh,

that's, well, that too. See, you got, you're all nervous there. No, I don't know. The potato one with the farm where they's like, the father-daughter,

and they plan it, and he gives her the farm. Pulled on the old heartstrings a little, yeah. That was beautiful. It got real quiet in the, a lot of farmland. In the theater when we were doing that one.

A lot of AI talking about farmland and they're like, think about anything other than data centers and water. It was a lot of AI, gambling. AI helps, farmers. That's the AI gambling

crypto and weight loss drugs. That's keeping this whole thing going. That is so true. What does it say about society? It's like you guys use drugs to lose weight so you can eat more food and then that way you can just use AI to help the farmers. And then if you're bored, gamble on literally anything. Yeah, that's the

also sit there and watch the Olympics. Gambling on the Olympics. Right. On that note, Coinbase had the Backstreet Boys, T-Mobile and Coinbase. Yeah, they crushed it. I'm glad they got karaoke commercial. They deserve to get paid.

I'm happy they're getting paid money. Yeah, they had a big tour. They were at the sphere. There's kind of like a nostalgic comeback for a lot of those bands. I feel like in the Baxter boys are fucking cashing in. Deservingly so. The Poppy commercial with Charlie XXX. I just love Charlie XX.

And I'm like, I'm the demo for Poppy. And I also love Charlie XXX. I love that song. And I thought that was just good. I do too. I saw her movie. You should see it. You'd like it.

People can be saying her movie. And I'm confused. Which one? Because I assume this meant Wuthering Heights where she did the music for Wuthering Heights. And her album is Wuthering Heights. And she is a separate movie coming out now? Yes, it's already out. It's called The Moment.

I saw it at Sundance. It is a mockumentary about her follow-up to the Brat album. I would love to watch that. It's really funny. It's good. None of that means anything to me at all. Wait till we get to Clivocchio. I can't wait till we talk about.

Can't wait. I don't know what that means. Any other commercials? Is that a color bone injury? Kind of. You're closer than you think. We'll get there. Look around for clavicular.

The only, Bosch, the Guy Fieri one, Guy Fieri. That was good. Is that actually what he looks like, or were they just making it up? I mean, they kind of. What do you mean? He wore like a toupee. He shaved his beard or goatee. Whatever you call it.

Like a basic brown toupee. That was one of the more interesting things that happened in the first half was seeing what Guy Fieri would look like without all the time. He was wearing a red leather button up shirt. Yeah. Love that. I love guy. He's kind of like Mike McDonald's where it's like,

Imagine if he had just been normal. Like Mike McDonald almost went to a consulting firm and then he'd be like watching the Super Bowl. It's like kind of like guys like dives. Seeing him like not. He says a normal guy. Yeah. He would have just been like the most popular dad on the street

and would have hosted lit barbecues on the 4th of July. Oh God, what could have been? His son goes to state so I'm a big guy for you. Nice. He's a big ice stick supporter. Nice. Nice. Okay.

Diner's Drivens and Dives. Great show. Always loved it even rolling out. As issue. Same. One of the all time like I'm at my parents' house. and it's 11 p.m. What do we watch? They crush. It's so good. Man.

We can't move on from the Super Bowl until we have to mention. We've been doing this Ringer 107 competition all year. I know of- America's favorite segment. America's favorite segment Ringer 107. If people... Panda Watch. This long national nightmare of Ringer 107 is over, and we fucking won, we destroyed everybody. I know you guys have probably a deal with us on Friday and this Ringer 107 and we competed a little

podcast. We kicked the shit out of everyone who is in Capadia. We closed strong, went 4-0 in the Super Bowl. We were, it was like the Seawks Bronco Super Bowl where it was over immediately. We literally did, honestly, it felt even better than I thought. We were gonna put the coin toss. We were gonna put the coin toss heads immediately you want to know. Patriots first drive punt. You literally clinched it like five minutes into the game and we're just sit like the game is over. Went four and oh, uh, you know, we finished 58 and 49, look, which is not winning any awards, but we hit 54% of our bet not trying. It does win, ring, or what. We spent so much less time

on this than everyone else, I could barely. We literally flipped all our picks one week. Yes. Right. We went three and two. We decided on the picks and we're like, let's do, we submitted the opposite of everything we decided. Yeah. Flip, flip. We literally won on a fucking coin toss.

We literally did heads. Yep. And it was more even more insulting and fun to beat them that way than I thought. Love that. Um, a couple other props that we hit Charlie Puth. Crush that. Oh, the under. He went way under. I got to say, kind of a, once again, in line with. with how the tone of the broadcast,

Charlie Puth is kind of a more somber, quieter national anthem. I got to tell you, when you have less famous people do it, you kind of assume they're better. Like, I remember when John Legend would start doing things before he was like really famous, and you hear John Legend, you're like,

oh, he's like, unbelievably talented. And Charlie Puth went, I'm like, okay, like he's good. I kind of wish he was someone else. I kind of wish Alicia Keys did this instead. Yeah, like he sounded good, but it was almost like quiet literally, like in volume.

I don't know. The whole bro- Maybe we're wearing a leather jacket You really hate these leather No I didn't No he wasn't dressed like No you're right He was not dressed like he was doing the national anthem

He was writing like blue jeans and loafers Which is if he was just He was gonna go to church or something I think he's underdressed for church No I think he was underdressed for church Super Bowl he's singing the anthem Well that is some people's church Okay

He thought He was not dressed for church For all churches We missed on Gatorade It was yellow and they spoiled it I know like 12 minutes before You were so mad about this. There's a close-up of a guy stirring the Gatorade, like a cauldron.

Why? Who needs that? Because they needed people to stay. Then people are going to turn the game off. It was over. You don't think people know that the Gatorade happens at the end? I'm not sure I've ever seen them spoiling like that. Hey, why would they do that? Yeah.

I kind of love that they spoiled it. Pearl clutching the Gatorade. The Feltzell knows how much people gamble on this shit and they just spoil it. No one actually gambles on. They just tweeted it out. What you mean? Did you actually on the Gatorade? Of course I did.

Oh. What do you mean? You're not mad they showed it. it was yellow. If they had showed the right color, you'd be thrilled. No. No way. You can't spoil it. Also, what else did you win? Well, I don't need to get into what I won. I'll tell you what I won. Seahawks

to win the Super Bowl 70 to 1 placed in September 1st. That shit's on line. Oh, hell yeah. Mine's not as... I bet the Seahawks minus 12 and a half and I hit. But that's obviously way better. Shout out Mike McDonnell. Thank you. The other thing we missed, we talked about this. We assumed that whoever won MVP was going to be probably a quarterback. And it was Ken Walker

who thanked God first. I bet on teammates, unfortunately. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or coach. God. But, you know, you went straight for the big man. Yeah. So on Instagram the other day that was just like someone being like,

it was just the capture, it was just God every time he watches a sports game at the end. And someone's just like, first and foremost, someone I think God, and he was like, you're welcome. Yeah, Ringer 1 of 7, that was, I, wasn't that thrilling to win the first year? We're ever gonna do that without actual prize at the end?

we're not going to get to go to Vegas or anything. Yeah, like, we should go to Vegas anyway. We should go to Vegas anyway. We'll be a legit prize and we'll get destroyed. I can't believe we don't get it. How are they going to rig it so we can't win again? They won't invite us. We should go to Vegas inexpensive.

I can't believe we don't get to do that. Yeah, book that. I was thrown out there. I know. Backstreet Boys in the sphere or something. Okay. Anything else on this game? There's a lot. And also, just so people know, we're still going with the rest.

We're still doing the whole lot. We are still doing two episodes of three episodes this week. We're still doing two episodes a week through the draft. We're covering the draft, free agency trade. We're still doing, I mean, Kyler Murray and Tua. I know, I keep saying, I know. I keep saying the same shit. No, that's not what it is.

I was laughing at our next thing. Oh, yeah, yeah. So, Kyler and Tua might get traded. Like, there's so much still to talk about. Can't breathe. All these things. So please stick with us. We're, honestly, the show probably gets better in the off season.

So there's a ton to talk about. Yeah. Going to be at the combat in Indianapolis in a couple weeks. We have some fun stuff playing for that. Follow us on Instagram, follow us everywhere on social media. Keep follow, hit follow on this show. I'm proud of you, good job. So with that said, congrats.

We do have to get to some other non-super news. Well, now we talk about clavicular. Yeah, we got to talk about. If your friend group isn't talking about clavicular, then you need a new friend group. Is this like a drug? No, it's a human man. Oh, it's a person.

Yeah, there's an influencer named clavicular. I don't like this already. You haven't seen any of the news about him today. No. No. I don't think so. Well How do I describe? I can't wait to tell you in person. He is an influencer who his whole thing is looks maxing and bone smashing. What's bone? What's that? Is that sex? Bone smashing is when you literally hit your bones with blunt objects to try and break them and then have them grow back or recover thicker and stronger so that you have a more pronounced.

It's like DIY plastic surgery. You like literally hit your jaw with a hammer like scart like bone spurs Yeah to build up your jaw so that you have a stronger jawline teenagers breaking their jaws to look like Tom Brady So that's clavicular hooked he's 20 years old and 20? Yeah okay How's his jaw line? Is it good? Yeah, it's great. It is pretty good But he was he was frame-mogged by an ASU frat guy You got frat-later. He got fray mowg by an ASU frat leader Fray-mog? He got fray-mog. He got Frame mogged. Frame mogged.

What's frame mogged? Well... I know what mogged is. Right. What's frame was mogged by another man's frame? His frame was better? The other man's frame. Is that what people say?

The ASU frat leader's frame was better than... He was taller with broader shoulders. Pretty much. Clavicular is... More of like a V. He also bone smashes his clavicle to make... Because he wants the... ...in a stronger wider base, kind of wider frame.

So it actually grows out? I'm not sure how that part works. I don't know how he goes wide by smashing his bones, but he does. But there was a tweet today because he was in the news today. There was in the news today because he was kind of getting mauled. Can I Google clavicular? You sure can't. But I want to read you this tweet about him today.

He don't need your computer. He was kind of in the news. And I want you to do your best to tell me what you think this means. Okay. Today, clavicular was mid-gester gooning when a group of foids came and spiked his cortisol levels. Is ignoring the foids while munting and magging moids more useful than SMV Chadfishing in the club? Oh my God. This is K-smog Zusha.

Yes. I was sent this from a few people who are in their 40s and 50s, and I was like, buddy, this is above my pay grade. I have no idea what the fuck this is. And there was actually a tweet that broke this down. Okay. Sentence by sentence. I can read it. It's kind of long.

I want to try and do it first. Try and guess. We'll start in the game. We need to like parse it, yeah. Clavicular, you know him, was mid-gester gooning. Okay. Jester gooning. Yeah, what's harder?

Are you analyzing the three trades or this? Jester-Gooning. I know what gooning is. Right. What the fuck is june for the class? Sure gooning for the class. Gooning is just jacking off for a long time. It's not really, there's no off.

You're just kind of jacking. Sorry. You can jack off without completing. Right. Right. And that's the idea behind gooning. like getting close to For how long are we talking

Like hours and hours? Well Depending for the How about Clavicular? How long can he do it? I'm not aware I'm not sure I haven't seen him do it

Probably really long time Okay so what the fuck is jester gooning? It's so it's a portmanteau Of Jester maxing And guneing So he's funny Yeah

So jester maxing is acting like a clown Or a fool to get attention or cope with social rejection. And then gooning, you know, it obviously means what you just say literally, but there's also kind of like in this context, it means staring blankly or engaging in obsessive low IQ behavior.

So he wasn't actually gooning. He's a dumb, funny live streamer. Yeah. Got it. So he was being like silly and dumb and low IQ on camera. For a very long time. Yeah, in a way to kind of can you imagine doing that? Yeah. What's the difference between Jester Maxing and Jester gooning? Oh, that's a great.

Being as dumb as possible. Gestor maxing is not low IQ. Jester maxing is being boring. Complementary. Jester maxing is like being a clown. Okay. You know? We're kind of clown.

Clown. So anyway, he was doing it when a group of foids came and spiked his cortisol levels. God damn it. Contextually it sounds like foids are annoying dudes and spiked his cortisol was annoyed him or got on his nurse. Spiking your cortisol means to stress somebody else. Foyds are female incels. Oh. Voids.

It's short for femoids, which is female humanoids, foids. And then there are moids as well, which is the male side of things. So what's the difference you know who waited in an in cell? He was jester gooning and some female incels came over and stressed him out.

And spiked his cortisol levers. And then the question is, is ignoring the foids while munting and mogging moids more useful than SMV Chad fishing in the club? Jesus Christ. Okay. So you're ignoring the voice. We get that.

Sorry again. Munting and maugging. Munting is the same as mewing. Oh. Let me make sure I get this right. Hold on. What's mewing again? It's like when you grind your teeth.

Mewing is like when you like put your tongue to the roof of your mouth to kind of accentuate your jaw. So it's kind of like if you're not ready to bone smash you mew. Yeah, it's an ugly, it's an extreme or ugly. form of mewing. It implies focusing intensely on one's face and aesthetics. So you're like, I guess like blue stealing. Munting? Munting? Zoolander was munting.

So Munting is when you mewed too much. Smoldering. Or like bad mewing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, sorry. What was, what was the... So the question is, is ignoring the foids, you're up to speed there, while munting and maugging moids... Male... In sales?

Yes. Male humanoid. Voids and moids. So is ignoring the foids while munting and moids more useful, than SMV Chad fishing in the club. Useful? Yeah. Is it more useful?

So how useful trip me up as much as anything? So mugging the moids can be more useful than SMV? Than SMV, which stands for sexual market value? Kind of like DVOA. Christ. Yeah, the DVOA of looks. Yeah. It's to rank how valuable you are to the opposite sex.

Okay. So it's more. valuable than SMV. Than SMV Chad Fishing. Chad Fishing? That's right. What's a Chad? I forget. A Chad is just kind of like the archetypal male. Right, right, right.

Is a Chad. Okay. So Chad fishing. Chad fishing. Like cat fishing. Another portminto. Oh, Chad fishing. It means, it's like creating a fake dating profile using photos of male models to see how women react to waste or waste their time. Is Chad fishing? In the club?

So people are on their phone Chad fish What? You're in the club On their phone This makes no sense Final translation Is it better to ignore women

And focus on making Other men look inferior Or is it better to go to a club And try to trick people Into thinking you have a high sexual value Yeah that's I mean that is the Eternal question

I don't really understand How ignoring women to make other men look inferior By being a clown I don't know why that makes other men look inferior I don't understand in how jester maxing makes other

chads look inferior. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. So, you know what I mean? But the jester gooning with the moids, I do think that there's a moid-foid dynamic. Yeah. Like the foid moid piece, I think is important here because the Chad fishing in the club, I, that concerns me.

Do you think your SMV is higher than it's ever been after this win today? Apex Mountain for my Apex Mountain. Apex Mountain for SMV. This is my apex mound for SMV. Your sexual market value? Yeah. I would say so

Yeah Easily Yeah So I don't need I still don't really understand What the question is Is it better to be Ignore women

Is it better to be a clown I still don't really understand Is it better to make other Focus on putting other men down Or trying to improve Your own self-image to women Yeah Should you put other men down

Or lie to bring yourself up Yeah The second one lie to bring yourself up? I think that's more, yeah. Chadfish? That's the old school way. Yeah. So anyway, that's what the kids are talking about.

Oh my Lord. I would like to know how many real human men know what the fuck that sentence means at any age. Email us. I would like the college kids who listen to email us about both. The youngest person who listens it, if you're in your 20s or maybe if you're listening in your teens and you know what this means, email us. I assume most of the stuff's a joke, but I would like, if anyone you know, especially if you're in college, Please email us at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com tell me if anyone you know actually did the bone smashing It's one of those that I don't know I feel like it was a joke

I feel like people in the 20s made it a joke, but then teenagers didn't know it was a joke and then some kids actually did it Bones They're actually breaking their bones I feel like some people did it as a joke but now some kids do Yeah micro fractures micro fractures Microfractures to heal with their young bones to build up the you know the strength in your jaw So things are going well for that generation, I would say. So is it fair to say that Mike McDonald was kind of jester maxing the foids and the moits? Not the foyts, just the moists.

What's the most troubling part of that hole? Probably. Bone smashing. Yeah. Bone smashing is really bad. I don't think clavicular. Yeah, I don't know if he's a roared-on. He got mugged by the ASC frat leader.

I got to look up clavicular now. It's a good name. It's a good name. It could be anything. It could be like, it's a streamer. It could be a post-apocalyptic tribal leader. Like, it could kind of be anything. Check him out.

Look, he's shredded. What can I say? Not as shredded as that ASU kid, though. No, ASU kid really framed. Jesus. I'm officially worried for kids. Like American Psycho vibes. Yeah.

Oh, yep, yeah. Like the people that think he's the hero. Oh my God, we should do this for like old school movies. Like, man, like Patrick Bateman's business card got frame-mogged by, you know what I mean, by the other moids at the table. You probably could write the American Psycho version of this for Gen Z. Frame-mog. It's just like his monologue, but it's just like, oh, my God, his card's frame-mogging.

Frame-mogged. Jesus, God. It's so good. Oh. All right. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig. Thank you everyone for listening.

Please stick with us for, we're literally not stopping the off season, so keep listening to keep listening to us two episodes a week. Thank you everyone who makes this show. Yeah. So thank you to Cyan Carlos, who've been, like, we couldn't be here without them. And thank you to, like, Cam and Abu, Austin, like, everyone who makes the show now. And, like, way more people do now. And it's just awesome.

So thank you so much for everyone for the whole season. Yeah, you guys are the best. We really appreciate you. Thank you to the Seattle Seahawks for giving Danny Kelly a much needed win. Thank you. Also, I don't know if we could have really been around. Like, the flip side between D.K. being sad and all the Patriots fans and Bill being really happy versus D.K. being happy is, like, Very important.

It was kind of the perfect season for all of our teams for this show. I know. Content one. Well, you're kind of cooking out here. Winning 107. Like the Giants won the beginning of the season, I think, with Darden and Scataboo. That was this season. Yeah.

And then we closed the year. The Steelers were kind of super fun all over the place. Rogers, them sneaking into the playoffs. And then the Seahawks, obviously. It kind of worked out. Yeah, no, it did. Yeah. Things do have a way of working out.

Yeah. God, they do have a way of working out All right. And of course. Thank you, Lorne. Lauren. Thank you, Nirvana. What the... Nirvana. I guess Seattle. He can do whatever he wants.

Bad Bunny. I already thanked him. You're not thankful for him? I mean, thank you, Bad Bunny as well. And Lady Gaga. And Lady Gaga. By the way, the one thing I forgot to ask, we talked about this during the game.

Tell me about your thoughts on how Mr. Beast talks. Oh, yeah. He had the commercial, yeah. There is now like a YouTube accent. It's a YouTube. Wow. I don't know what the word is. Yes, cadence.

Exactly. Yes. I've noticed this. Calvin watches some YouTube stuff. I'm pretty like strict about what he watches on there, but he loves fish. He's really into fish. He wants to get some fish, so we're getting fish for him. But he watches these shows where guys, guys catch fish and talk about fish.

And the cadence on YouTube, I notice this on a lot of different of their different channels. It's like, so I went got the thing. And then I had to spend $1,000. on this fish and then I put him in his cage and then I had to get him out and then oh my God guys he bit me and then I had to spend $7,000 on this other fish and then I put him in his thing

and then I had to grab him in it. It's like it's like waves yeah it's like it's almost a beat it's like Snoop Dogg making fun of new rappers do you ever seen that video? No well it's kind of like that okay all right and then I and then I

guys then I went to the store and then they didn't have the fish that I want So I had to get a different fish and guys, guess what? It really has these poison pinchers. And then I put it in its thing. And then I had to get it. It's like the whole fucking show is like that exact cadence. It's crazy.

I buried a million dollars underground. We're going to see if my friends can find it 24 hours. It's that. It's exactly that. God, it's insufferable. A YouTube accent. I know exactly what you're talking about. I sent all five of my best friends to Mars.

We're going to see who can survive the longest. The winner gets $1 million. I think it is... It's like game show host almost. It's exactly the lack of attention span. It's like you have to get the sentence out. You have to recapture. You have to go up and down the roller coaster in every sentence.

I don't know. Wait, can I play the Snoop Dog thing? Are we allowed to play it or no? Probably not. I don't know. I got to go to law school, I think. Yeah, I don't know. Well, I tried.

Yeah. Emails at ringerfancy football atjeebill.com. Had to go to law school. And then I got in, it was really hard. My friends bet me $10,000 that I couldn't graduate law school in one week. That's so, it's so spot on. It's crazy. And then, guys, guess what?

Oh, my God, it was really hard. The teacher really didn't like me. How long can I live inside Harvard Law School? It's so true. Maybe we should start talking like that in our show. It might actually take up. Yeah. You're probably right.

Shit. Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. Guys, the Seahawks went to the Super Bowl. Guess who won the game? The camera's just like talking flying around. Just so many cuts. Please email us over your Fantasy Football Achievelo,com, if you can explain what that YouTube accent is, the cadence.

Yeah. I want to know that. Wow. I think we know that next year's fantasy football punishment is going to be bone smashing. God. Joe House is going to have to smash his job in a hammer. Oh, my God. Goodbye, everyone.