The Ringer NFL Show - Senior Bowl Takeaways from Day 2 | The Ringer NFL Draft Show

Episode Date: February 1, 2024

The guys are back with more important Senior Bowl takeaways from Day 2 practices, including Caleb Williams comps (a.k.a. PANDA WATCH), the Seahawks hiring Mike Macdonald as their new head coach, Penix vs. Nix, the Jayden Reed Grown Man Award, and much more (2:13). “You guys want to do some emails?” (65:08) Check out our 2024 Ringer NFL Draft Guide here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please check out theringer.com/RG to find out more or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Ben Solak Social: Kiera Givens and Jack Sanders Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Did Don Draper really buy the world of Coke? Did Tony Soprano really die? Or just order more onion rings? The finales of our favorite shows can make us argue, make us cry, and make us crazy. From Spotify and the Ringer, I'm Andy Greenwald, and this is Stick the Landing, a new podcast where we'll be telling the story of modern TV backwards, one fade out at a time. Find Stick the Landing on Wednesdays on the prestige TV feed, on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. NFL Draft Show. my name is Danny Hyfitts and I am joined by Danny Kelly and Ben Solek and we are in person in Mobile, Alabama, baby.

It's the Senior Bowl featuring juniors and graduates. Welcome to the older than sophomore bowl. Dude, I actually think some like Bo Nix 24, Michael Pennock's been in college since 2018. Like, do they have like a PhD? Like we actually, this is. I would make a Van Wilder joke, but you guys would not understand it. Was that a painter for the Dutch? Is that more wild than the average wild van?

No, I do know. He had commercials. That's why I know that is. D.K. Are you familiar with Cam McCormick? Is that the people with the spices? That is the University of Miami turned University of Oregon, tight end, who is now entering his ninth season of college football. You're the ninth season. Yeah. That's McCormick. McCormick and I started college the same year. So how did he get nine years? It's like four season-ending injuries and COVID?

I don't know. What color shirt? How many shirts did he do? Great shirt, red shirt. Blue shirt, blue shirt, green shirt. The whole Dr. Seuss book, man. He's got all their shirts. Literally, I didn't know nine, I genuinely didn't know nine years of eligibility as possible.

I don't think it was. Skateboard, like showing up, like, dude, they're like, he's like not, he's a millennial. Like, he's in college. He's a, what's the geriatric millennial? Dude, he's, oh my, anyway, okay, yeah.

So there's a lot of old people who are in college. We don't talk about that enough. All right, so we've a lot on the show today. So the Seahawks have hired Mike McDonnell, the Ravens Defense Coordinator to be their head coach. Yeah. get to that. D.K. Salk and I were in Mobile. We saw another day

of practices, so we're going to get to all that. However, we have to get to the real news here, which is, again, we have a new segment on the ringer NFL draft show. And that new segment is... Panda Watch. The mood is tense. I have been on some serious,

serious reports, but nothing quite like this. Ching King is inside right now. I tried to get an interview with him, but they said, nope, you can't do that. He's a live bear. He will literally rip your face off. Wrecking compelling. Sorry, I couldn't do it without laughing.

Panda Watch is our every episode segment where we talk about the top quarterbacks in this class. And today was the day that I finally released the top 32 of the ringer NFL draft guide, which you can find at NFLDraft.com.

You got the URL right. I did it. I was reading it as I said it. The NFL drafts off the ringer.com. Just put the link in the description. No one knows the URL. Yeah, yeah. No one types it in. Just, yeah, you can find it.

And my top quarterbacks this year, number one, Caleb Williams. Number two, Drake May. Sorry, Caleb Williams from USC, as high fits like, sure remind me. Drake May from North Carolina, Jaden Daniels from LSU. And I have those guys ranked respectively, one, two, and seven. Okay, I know I say a lot of stuff, but like this is actually the best draft guide that exists. Like, if you go to NFLDraft.com, click the episode of link, whatever, the link of the episode description.

I literally, go on your phone right now. I literally dare you to tell me that this is not a cool website. Like, it is so sick. And, no, DK said he put it up, but the reality is a lot of people put it work in this. Like, DK is, you know, the face of it. It's like you got Dan Comer and they'll, so like his freaking quarterback charting, you know,

coming in a couple months. And it's like, mock draft soon in a couple weeks too. Yeah. Wow. Oh, yeah. A dozen people, like, put this thing together. And like, it is honestly, like, incredible.

And like, I really, if you like, I put like a 10 at a 10, like, please give it, like, a 30 second. scroll and decide if you would like to continue to stay there. It's so good. Shout to Riley McAtee. Who does so much. Glick Smith. Like just everyone has a hand in the guy. Thank you. So to DK., you have your 32 big board there. You have your, you have background research. You have like these in-depth scouting reports. You have like all, like so much information on all these guys. It's so incredibly research. It's so well thought out. However, the best part is the comps because you're kind of a psychopath and you have like other people compare guys to like players. And you're like,

you know that like movie? It's like that. And so. We have to start here with your, you have Caleb Williams here at NFLDraft.com. Your number one quarterback, number one players. Caleb Williams had a quarterback at a USC, and you have your comparison for Caleb Williams is, and I quote, that accordion guy who plays Vivaldi.

What the fuck does that mean, D.K.? Here's my elevator pitch. This is when you're watching Caleb Williams, you recognize the song, but you'd never really heard it play that way. And I thought of this, actually, we can tell you because we're all friends here. I was drunk when I thought of this.

I was scrolling through TikTok or Twitter or whatever it is, or Instagram. And I ran across this video of a guy playing accordion. And it's like Vivaldi. You would know the song if you heard it. How does it go? Oh, I'm tone deaf. I can do it.

So it's the chef's table intro. That doesn't help. That was terrible. DK, your turn? I'm not going to do it. I just play the goddamn song in post. All right. Yeah.

Just play it. But it is like truly the most remarkably impressive thing I've ever seen in my life. I don't know exactly how he's doing it, but I know it's amazing. I think he's a savant. And that's pretty much exactly the way I felt when I first watched Caleb Williams play football. When I've watched him play quarterback, he just, he does everything a little bit differently than you've seen. But you know you're dealing with a guy who has immense talent.

He has an incredible skill set. And you don't exactly know how he does it, but it's awesome. You told me you were going to do this three weeks ago. I was like, oh, man, your crew's over. You know, your next line on the, I love the freaking thing you wrote. You really, because you were like, it's the accordion guy from Vivaldi. Like, no offense, I didn't know what that meant. And then I was like, what?

You watched the video. And then you said, you recognize the song we've never heard it played this way. Yeah. And I think that's incredible. And So, like, I'm curious, you know, you also are incredible at scouting players. I'm curious. Like, when you read that, like, does that vibe with you? When you watch Kill Williams, like, you recognize the song, we've never heard to play

that way. Is that how you think he played? I got it once I watched the video of the recording of things of all days. I was like, this is sick. And I was like, oh, wait, Caleb Williams is sick. Yeah. Yeah. No, the, uh, the, the Caleb Williams' comps are very difficult because it is inappropriate and incorrect to comp anyone to Patrick Mahomes.

Right. However, you get the feeling when you watch Caleb that you got when you watch Mahomes out of Texas Tech where you're like, he can't keep doing this in the league. This is not good. Can't keep getting away with this. Bad behavior. But what if he did? Right.

And that, and that one of the things about Mahomes is like, you know, we, we all just watch them play in the postseason or we're watching, watch him play in the Super Bowl. He is a remarkably different player than he was when he came out. And so when you talk about like the Mahomes-Kaleb comparisons, it's important to remember that like this 2023, 24 version of Mahomes, you could not have convinced me off of Texas tech film that we would ever get here to a guy who's just like, yeah, I'll just check it down all the time in structure, in rhythm, in the quick game, throw underneath, let my receivers work for me, get rid of the ball. quickly. Like, he is willing to not even go into the universe where he's trying to create a second reaction play. He's willing to just throw five yards shallow to Bershey Rice and say, if we get eight yards, it's nice.

Like, like, he, Mahomes never at Texas Tech had that humility, that self-control. And so for Caleb, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, you have the experience watching him that you had watching Mahomes out of Texas Tech. That's not to say he's going to become Mahomes, because Mahomes's arc has been unbelievable in the landing spot, Tyree, and Andy Reading, Travis Kelsey, and so on and so on and so forth. Yeah. But that, that magic, right? that like that wizardry you only see it once every few years you really do and like uh with

Caleb that that's present the one that I've always said is he's what Zach Wilson was billed as remember everybody told you Zach Wilson was the next mohams he was the next rogers oh my gosh incredible throws oh my gosh the arm talent the movement skills then you watch Zach Wilson you were like ill not for me like yeah like I guess like I don't know like that Caleb actually delivers on on that towering expectation so it's the the accordion Bavaldi guy Kaylee, so five-star prospect at high school, you know, and he went to Oklahoma to literally to play with Lincoln Riley. Again, this is the quarterback, if you listen to an episode earlier ago, like, who's been wanting to be a quarterback so badly that he had the real-life version of Olivia Pope from scandal, like the Coms Crisis. Like, this is a guy who's been training his whole life to be this person.

And then, you know, he won the Heisman trophy, like, you know, went to Oklahoma to Lincoln Riley, moved to Oklahoma, USC with Lincoln Riley, won the Heisman at like, 4500 yards, 42 touchdowns, five picks. Like, it's insane. But to your point, D.K., like, it's the magic. after the play as Sulk was saying, but the challenge is you're going to do these comps. And this is like a draft thing, right? You're like, oh, Caleb Williams. Yeah, he's like, Patrick Mahomes, you know,

the, like, second best quarterback ever. He's like that guy. Right. And it's like, it's kind of like, if you say that, it's loaded. But that magic. Of course. Because I think,

I think the other went, the less, like, second best quarterback. I also think Caleb Williams is kind of like, if Kyler Murray was tall enough to see over the offensive line. Right. You know, because Kyler has that magic too,

but he's like in a short guy energy. And Caleb Williams is like three inches taller than I think the Kyler Murray thing is it's useful because the way that I picture Kyler Murray scrambling around and evading pass rushers and making past rushers look silly and the way that he can kind of like... Your comp for Kyler was the way he runs,

you said he runs like a toddler who's still your phone? I don't know if I came up with that one. Oh, but that's a good one over. But I like that one. It's a visual that you understand immediately. But I think that the Kyler one is interesting because of that because Caleb Williams says the same thing. He's not quite as explosive, I think,

is Kyler Murray, but he is really, really like, shifty, like, magician almost in the way that he can escape pressure, keep a play going, buy himself an extra beat to get a throw off, which I think is really important in the NFL. And then, of course, with Caleb Williams, like, the big

thing is his arm talent, his ability to throw off platform, his ability to twist and contort his body to make throws across, like his body, and still deliver it with a lot of velocity and accuracy. So, yeah, he, to me, like, there's a lot of different types of

comps to throw out there, but I think he was hard one to do because he's just a pretty unique working quarterback. When we have Kyler, we have a shorter player and a player who doesn't have the reach down the field.

Like, Kyler's got great arm talent, but doesn't have the explosive arm talent, the distance. And then when we also have a body like Caleb does, I remember bringing this up we first talked about. I mean with Jalen Hertz, right? He's got a bit of a denser build.

He's got a thick lower half thing. He can survive contact. He can explode. He's like ran through a guy at the goal. line. He will survive contact from defensive line. Kind of like Andrew Luck. Like these highlights are hitting guys.

And typically the exchange, when you're that dense, you're not as good throwing outside of structure because your body's not as loose. You don't have as much for a whip action to you. The fact that Caleb can get out of structure and then just send that sucker,

like you don't, that's, again, it's Mahomesian, right? Where Mahomes got like, you know, he's got like a dense build to him. He's a thick guy, he's stronger than you expect in the pocket. And then he gets out of the pocket. He suddenly becomes Aaron Rogers caliber loose.

And you're like, dude, how are you doing this? That's also present with So, all right, rapid fire lightning right here. I'm going to, I want you to rank where Caleb ranks with some other past quarterback prospects. Like, I know we've seen these guys, so it's hard to pretend like Trevor Lawrence, like you seem as a pro. So let's say you get all of them at 22 years old, but you've seen them as pros. So Zach Wilson, obviously, no. So it's Caleb Williams, Trevor Lawrence, Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Kyler Murray, and like, take the ACLs out for like Joe Burrow.

And CJ Stroud. So it's six guys. Does Caleb Williams, would you take, they're all 22 years old, they're all on a working contract, and all of them in their draft, would you take Caleb Williams over any of those guys? Knowing what you know about those players, Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Trevor Lawrence,

Kyler Murray, Cedest Trout. Would you take him over any of those? I would probably go over Kyler. I'll tell you right now, I know Caleb's not going to be above Triber for me. But he'll certainly be above Young. He'll be above Stroud. He'll be above Stroud. He'll be above Brough.

Who else did you name? Herbert. He'll be above Kyler for me. Herbert, he'll be above Herbert. in terms of how I graded him coming out for sure. Like, I was a prospect. Yeah, he'll be a low trap or a positive

he won't be one. But he'll be top. But where do you put him now? But now that you've seen, you know all those guys. Like Humber, you'd probably take over Lawrence now. Yeah.

I haven't seen them play. Yeah. So would you take Caleb over her, Lawrence, knowing what Lawrence really is in the NFL? No, no, no. I'm positive Lawrence as a good quarterbacks. I've seen him do in the league for multiple years.

Caleb, there's a lot of worlds where Keith's just not good. Yeah, exactly. I think, and that's, yeah, and that's a good point. I think a lot of people are a little bit nervous about Caleb. So Caleb Williams clearly physically is special, I think. It's pretty obvious when you watch.

I think there's a lot of reservations. You know, he's still going to be number one on a lot of people's boards, and he's probably going to go first overall. But I think there are reservations with the style with which he plays because you're going to have to get the right system and the right coach who's able to kind of, I think, coax the structure and on-time nature of, like, his game. just get him more consistent playing on time, getting the ball out, hitting his back foot,

throwing the football, taking those checkdowns, which is what he was talking, what Solek was talking about earlier, because he holds the ball for way too long. Like, straight up, it's not going to work consistently if he's holding the ball for like five seconds

on every dropback. You know what I mean? Like, he's going to have to improve and massage that part of the game. It's still going to be a part of his game, but he can't rely on it as his foundation, if that makes sense. Some coaches are going to be like,

hey, Caleb Williams, just played the piano. He's like, dude, I play the accordion. So, you know, it's just how it's going to be. Can I do one more quick NFL draft guide shout out? Please. So we have fun facts with Dan Comer at the bottom of all the players, right?

We're just stuff that Comer found during research, we're just sick. My favorite one so far scrolling through is Brock Bowers, tied out of Georgia, fourth overall player for DK. Kirby Smart said that while Bowers was in high school during the pandemic, Bowers sent Georgia coaches videos of himself sprinting up mountains and hills. And there's no contest for that. I'm sure there's like just like everybody's guys sent videos of them working out and whatever.

But the way that it's phrased makes it sound like, Yo, Kirby, look at this. Just if you're running up a hill, really fast. The other one, it kills me. Kirby Smart also said that brought,

they never got two words at it. I know. Two words that are Brock Bowers in four years. Yeah. I'm like, that kind of makes it,

that's so sick. Yeah. All tight ends should be that way, right? You either need to be Travis Kelsey and George Kittle where you're like, all of the media,

Rob Grasch, all of the media. Yeah. Or need to be like, I'm a silent samurai. I'm the honest warrior. That's only two ways a tight end. Should we get, should we get Brock Bowers in the podcast?

You're like, don't feel the need to answer anything. We bring him on a show and we just do the regular show. He's just present. Holding a mic doesn't speak for 60 minutes. Do you like answering questions with more than one word? And he's like, no. Yep. I'm like, boom.

So, all right. So NFLDraft.org.com. And again, other, dude, you, Deke, Malik neighbors, the receiver from LSU, DK's comp from his Ricky Bobby. He just wants to go fast. New. Mew. Brian Thomas, the other receiver from LSU, you have Christian Watson or Kenny Power,

on a jet ski. This came to me when we were talking about Brian Thomas Jr. the other day. Were you sober? Yes, I was sober for this one. But I just picture him

like cruising. Like the way he smoothly glides off the line and hits top speed and gets over the top of cornerbacks. I had this vision in my mind of Kenny Power in a suit riding his jet ski

majestically and stoically looking at the camera. I think that scenes in Fort Myers and I went to it. There's a bar in Fort Myers that way to do that I went to the bathroom in that bar there's just that episode of Kenny Powers is on a loop in the bathroom.

And so like, I go and like, you know, I go back. My girlfriend's like, are you okay? And I'm like, yeah, I just watch the entire episode of Kenny Barron's in the bathroom. You know, D.K. was born to make these comps because the way he speaks about it is the way that like a righteous man speaks of like the God. And it came to me in a vision. Kenny Powers and Jerry. Two weeks deep. He says it like the Oracle.

It's so funny to me. Speaking of the Oracle. Okay. So Mike McDonald, defense coordinator for the Ravens. He's been hired by the Seattle Seahawks. I think it gave him a six-year deal. Again, incredible work with Ravens. Ravens are the most sacks this year and allowed the fewest points.

So that's pretty good. Man. You know, and again, want some of that. Looking forward to some of that. And again, Mike McDonald, like,

kind of at the cutting edge of the NFL with the scheme of, you know, the hot dogs and buns, right? Like, they're just like, we don't need to, we don't need to do it at third time.

Has someone heard it? Well, I haven't heard it, but someone responded to something that all of us were tagged in and they were like, dude, if you had 80 hot dogs and 100 buns and everything, I was reading it,

just being like, One of my favorite things about coming on this show is entering in the middle of jokes and just trying to riddle them out backwards. So I don't want any information. I want to figure it out over time. All you know is that someone emailed in with the headline, all caps, and said, that was the worst metaphor anyone's ever made. And they said, it's like, it should have done the Billy Madison. Like, everyone here is dumber for having to listen to that. You talk.

At no point in your rambling, incoherent mess. I don't, I can't remember exactly. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul. All right. Simple wrong would have done, but that's fine. Exactly. So, anyway, Mike, that's what I thought when I said myestro, but no. People had pointed out.

I think I said this on the show. It's the correct pronunciation in Italian. So, no. Good for you. We're not doing this now. Anyway, Mike McDonald's the head coach of the CLC. DK, are you thrilled about this? Because the vibe on Mike McDonald basically is like the Shanahan offensive guys that have

all spread around the league. Mike McDonald's like the weed killer. Like he's killing, like he is the one who can stop these dudes. and you're in the NFC West with the 49ers of Chanhans. Are you kind of, like, thrilled? Yeah, I mean, it makes perfect sense that they would do this, that John Schneider would hire this guy. I immediately when Pete Carroll was fired,

I was like, I want something different. I want, number one, it would be nice to have a guy who's known for innovating and come in and, like, a younger guy with sort of at the cutting edge of defense or offense. I was leading offense. I still probably would have preferred, like, an offensive-minded coach, but of the candidates available still, like, he was by far, my number one. And it's kind of wild how it all worked out, like with the timing of all the

different teams hiring coaches and somehow Mike McDonald fell through the cracks to be the last guy essentially out there. I know Washington, so I wasn't hired a coach. So we'll see what happens there. But yeah, I mean, the fact that he was able to stifle the Shanahan tree of offenses around the NFL this year to that degree is really exciting. Obviously, you need to, you want to win in your division. First, you're going to be facing these guys multiple times a year. So I'm excited from that point of view. What I know of him is he's very smart.

You know, obviously the Michigan defense that won the national title this year, that was a huge part of the reason that Michigan won the national title this year was something that he kind of laid the foundation for a couple years ago. Yeah, he's a Harbaugh guy. He's been on the Ravens, like,

as he was a linebacker's coach there, and then he went to Michigan and ran Jim Harbo's defense that the mid... Yeah, before, and then went to the Baltimore. This is like massively simplifying it, oversimplifying it, Going from like the Huskies playing Texas, which was sort of stagnant, we're not like hiding. College football play a semi-final.

Yeah. Like the Huskies played first Texas and then they played Michigan. And Pennix like tore Texas apart. Like, but they were like, their defense was like, we're not hiding anything. We're not like, you know, trying to like confuse you a lot. We're just going to line up and do our thing. And then going from that to playing Michigan and he was completely confused the whole time. I thought that was like kind of a metaphor for like what the Seahawks defense was and will become hopefully.

Because the Seahawks for a long time, obviously they've had different iterations throughout the years, but at its core, Pete Carroll's defense was sort of like, we're going to line up and we're just going to be better than you and beat you. And so I'm very excited to see kind of what McDonald can do in terms of like the hot dogs

and the buns where... Yeah, you have no idea what's happening. Basically, it's just confusing the offensive line. It's confusing. The quarterback. It's just making it really, really hard on the offense to know exactly where pressure's coming from. It's literally the opposite. It's not lining up and beat you and you know what's happening were better. It's actually you've no idea what we're doing. Yeah.

So that to me is very exciting. So McDonald's 36 and me the youngest head coach in the NFL. So at one point, we're also quite literally the youngest person. I'm actually, I'm the youngest head coach in the NFL. It goes me and then McDonald. So do you have any advice from Mike McDonald as someone who would just be the youngest person in his entire

grow a beard or get a scar or do something that implies a scar? Yeah, it's not anything you can do. Now, if you had put me in charge of a team at the beginning of the cycle, all the jobs are open, all the candidates are available. Balochek is around, Ravels around. The first guy would have asked the interview

would have been McDonald. I thought he was the top of the pyramid for candidates. And it goes back to... Love that. It goes back to like, I don't understand why teams do this where they get like two weeks into the cycle and the best coordinators are obviously still on teams

that are still playing because they're winning playoff games. And then they're like, shoot, I should probably just hire Brian Callahan. Just wait, man. Like, what is Brian Callahan done? This is unfair to Brian Callahan. I'm sorry, Brian Callahan. What is Brian Callahan?

Specifically Brian. What is Brian Callahan done? What is Brian Callahan done? in the last 14 to 17 days that was so valuable you couldn't wait for Mike McDonald. It's very silly to me. The one advantage, I think,

well, you know, this isn't unique to only the Seahawks, but one big advantage I think that Seattle had in this coaching search is they could be patient. They could wait because John Schneider and his team are still scouting the draft. Like one of the big reasons teams are in a rush,

especially when they get out of a GM and a coach at the same time or a coach that has a lot of say in the draft is because there's like only so many weeks until the draft. They need to spend all that time getting their board ready and giving the grades and making their priorities and everything like that. And like the Seahawks have been doing that.

There's no break from what I understand in like the way that they're constructing their board. John Schneider, I'm sure, has been working on that. And so it gave them the flexibility and the patience that they really needed to get it right. And when you go and you look at like D'Amico Ryan's coming off of an NFC championship game lost, joining the Houston Texans with Nick Casario in place, Shane Stike and for the Indianapolis Colts after a Super Bowl lost, joining the Indianapolis. Colts with Chris Ballard in place, right? Like there's a way that like that initial

onboard of an established general manager gives your head coach a really nice ramp up. I said this to DK. Well, we were walking back from the hotel. I can't wait to see the opening odds for the NFC West because the 49ers are going to be huge favorites to win it. And the Rams are probably going to be second given the way they finish the season. And if Seattle's a strong third, I'll be taking

Seattle in a heartbeat. The year one jump could be very legitimate for them. So speaking of the Seahawks, we're at the Senior Bowl today. and again the super seniors here, quarterbacks, the two most famous players here, Michael Pennex,

as you mentioned for the House who used to tour up Texas and got shredded by Michigan and that kind of branch of McDonald's defense. Pennix is here. And Boenix for Oregon, Boomer Boe,

who's 24 in a month. I like that, aren't they like the same age? Yeah, so Boomer Boe. So Boomer Boe is 24, he's older than Trey Lance. And Pennix is like

three months younger and yet has been in college for longer. Pennix went to college enrolled in 2018. Right. I know I keep saying this, but 14 Marvel movies as well as in college. Anyway,

that's wild. The point being, your comp, so your comp here, you have South Paul Gino Smith from Michael Penix. Mm-hmm. How do you think that Michael Penix

played on day two? Because I think Salt made a great point yesterday that day one, it's like, all these guys should play it the first time. Maybe you suck. Day two, day three, you want to see a little improvement.

Yeah. Penix, did you use, or no, any improvement? I wouldn't say that it was a good day for any of the quarterbacks, really.

I think, you know, Pennix, he made a couple of throws that I thought were okay, but overall, I would say still struggling with like you see this a lot like he would drop back to pass and the pressure would come and then he would just kind of turtle up and not throw the football. Like that happened a few too many times and you don't want to see that.

Obviously it's better than throwing a pick but you know this was one of the issues that was that he had during the season was like dealing with pressure. That Texas game I think that so many people thought he'd be like a top 10 pick because in that game in particular he was so good at navigating the podcast. moving around, getting around pressure, getting the football off really quickly. He had a couple of really big plays. And in practice today and yesterday, really, on Tuesday and Wednesday, there were times where he just held the ball for too long and he got sacked,

quote unquote, sacked. He wasn't really sacked. So that was like kind of an issue. I wouldn't say any of the quarterbacks really impressed me, though. This has been kind of like a theme for this week is that the quarterbacks have not been that great. Yeah, I thought Panics was worse today than he was yesterday. I thought Nix was about the same as he was, which was not great yesterday.

Anthony today. This is going to sound very dumb. They're all better in sevens than they are in 11s, right, with no offensive line, where they can just like... You're saying seven and seven, so it's just quarterbacks. There's no pass-rush. It's like Craig's thing, like three Mississippi before you can rush. Yeah.

The main thing is that like the national offensive line, especially the interior. Which is a team. There's two teams, one national American national team is better. Yeah. Yeah. So the national offensive line, especially the interior is not super great. And the national defensive line, when they practice, they're gone up against their own team, their own unit.

the defense line is having a wonderful series of practices. And so when they do 11s and you're really like, you want to see them like manage the pocket, read it out, like it sits as live as it gets during practice, they're pennies, nicks, they're under a lot of immediate pressure.

It makes it hard to hash it out. But also like, even in like one-on-ones, they're not throwing the ball very accurately. So give them some grace. Not too much grace. This neither one of them looks like, oh, clear around one guy.

But, you know, I will say like, I think, and teams, maybe teams and GMs and decision makers, evaluators look at it differently, but I've, I've been coming to the Senior Bowl for a lot of years now, and I can't remember ever being like, this guy's really good. Like, a quarterback. Yeah. I remember when Baker was here at the Senior Bowl and just watching and being like, all right,

this guy can rip it. Okay. Like, Alex Allen was like missing the target on like stationary throws. Like they put up like the big target with like the three nets in it. I remember seeing them physically hit the target. And I was like, dude. This is a sialp, like he should not go round five. And obviously, Josh is incredible now.

Wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. So Josh Allen, like, the whole thing with quarterbacks is like, you know, it's a trope. But it's really true. It's like an NFL quarterback, you have to be able to throw the ball, like, through a door, like 30 yards away. And then the great quarterback can hit the doorknob and, like, you know, the elite ones, Tom Brady can hit the keyhole. And you're telling me, Josh Allen, like, straight up couldn't do that at the senior ball. No, he couldn't. And, like, he would hit the target more often than not, but oftentimes he would miss the target.

So my question to you is, Joe Milton. is this gargantial quarterback from Tennessee. Absolutely not. Josh Al Gray. Absolutely. No. He's all the ball 90 yards. He's big.

He can run. He's fast. And basically it's like, well, he has no touch. He's no accuracy. He's not an NFL quarterback. But like if Josh Allen learned,

what, it's a serious question. What is the difference in what you're saying? Three years of starting. Well, four years of starting at Wyoming versus he got to be at Michigan and Tennessee. Joe Milton did. He played in the most quarterback friendly offense that can exist at the university of Tennessee.

and never Is Michigan the most I know but Michigan like if anything it was like Harba was like what am I don't know I don't know what to do with this dude yes I don't like the fact that Millen went through the coaching

and the environment that he went through relative to the stuff that uh Alan went through completely different worlds and like Millen can launch it 90 yards but like Milton like Allen at least had like different throws in his quiver

like Milton just has one throw in his quiver just far fast he's got one look yeah am I'm not a notice This is this. They're all the same look. What was it?

Magnet. So let's just politely smiles. Zoolander. Zoolander. Such a good movie. Blue steel. Magna. Blue steel.

Yeah. That's actually been another, that's another complaint that people have had about panics is like he has, he can throw lasers, but that's about it. He just only, it's like when you hold the Madden, like if you grew up playing Madden and then later they added the bullet pass,

so then if you didn't know that you play the new Madden and you hold down the button, you're like, what was that? Yeah. You know, it's like a bullet pass. And it's kind of like every time with that ex. Yeah.

But to your point, though, I think Milton is going to get drafted on day two, maybe, day three. Oh, if he gets drafted on day two and be a grumpy boy. Or early day three because of his traits, because of his arm, because he's a big, strong athlete. Someone's going to take a shot. I talked to him today at the media availability and he was hilarious and he was wearing orange fuzzy, like furry slippers. They look like orange chinchillas. And they were designer. And I was like, damn, they looked comfortable as hell.

Did you say, can I have those? I literally, yeah, I literally asked us and what can I get a pair? And you're like, they're like, $950. I was like, okay. I'm like, all right. So, yeah, not for me. Okay, so next step, we have the, the Jaden Reed grown ass man award because a year ago, like, look, you watch a practice. Like, that's a day of practice.

Then you watch two practices. You're like, yeah, that guy's an NFL player. Yeah. But like, we literally watched Jen Reed and we were like, that's a grown ass man. and like he's a professional and these other guys are like they are they're amateurs and like that you know literally. Yeah like I think

at the senior bowl especially with receivers there's guys that are like this guy's good and then there's guys that are like if you squint and you're like well I could like I could see that happening I could see it working in certain whatever offense but like there are always guys that are just immediately you know they're good

Debo Samuel was one Terry McLaurin was one last year Jaden Reed was definitely one and you go back like Pukunakua only practiced like, I think one day last year, but he was really impressive for one, that first day. And immediately you just say, yes, he's going. I think this is going to be an NFL player. Like the Joe Milton thing I just said, that's me trying to see what could be.

But like this is like, no, no, no, this is, we are just seeing what's your goodness. These guys are good. With that said, I want to start with, so I want to start with you, Toledo cornerback, Quinion Mitchell. Yeah. Who I, I would say it's just straight up in the best player at the senior ball so far. Yeah. Yeah, no, Quinion Mitchell was the was, was, was, uh, was,

a guy who I watched before the senior bowl, who I was told like, hey, like, this is one of the better players there that not a lot of people know. And I didn't remember his name, and so I just called him

the Toledo cornerback for like nine days. That's like you're a real scout right there. That's because you're going to be a dad soon. And it's just like, you know, the kid from Toledo. Yeah, the kid from Toledo.

Yeah, exactly. Maybe I can actually finally start calling them kids if I was on my dad. Yeah. Because you're a son. You can start calling him son. Once you're a dad,

you have so many other responsibilities. You have no sleep. You run out of RAM. You can't, like, learn new names when you're dad. So it's the kid from Toledo. Yes. So Toledo, Quignon Mitchell, who's that. You watch him, he's a ton of off cover there for the Rockets, but he's a smart son of a gun and he's fluid as heck.

And he's very clearly got NFL size too. He's matching up well with Mac receivers. You can see that he can run an NFL speed and play at NFL size. You're wondering, okay, like, how sticky is he going to be if you actually leave him on an island on man coverage, which is exactly what you get at the senior bowl. And there just hasn't been a receiver here who's consistently open to go to them. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly.

Like the national team that he's on, the first. the first practices, they got some good receivers. They have Roman Wilson. They have the fast little slot boy. They've got legitimate guys who can open up who can separate. And Mitchell's comfortable sticking with all of them, especially. They put Roman Wilson on like three or four times this afternoon. Best on best for them.

Their top wide receiver versus Quinnian and Quinion won the majority of the exchanges. Are you talking about Ricky Pearsall? Yes, Pierceaw to Florida. Thank you. The fast little slot boy. With Pierce was not even that small. That small. Right.

The thing was I started to think Ladd-McConkey, but Ladd's on the other squad. So I was like, it's the other one. Pearsall and McConkey have similar styles, I think. So now with Mitchell, the name that I wrote down when I was watching him was Greg Newsom. And Greg Newsom was like a back end of the first round pick out of Northwestern. He came in measurables-wise. Quinion did almost exactly on Newsom's measurable. So a little bit over six foot, a little bit under 200 pounds, but exactly what you want to be in terms of a corner who can be versatile,

mandizone. And then if you're going to be versatile like that, you've got to have eyes, you got have smarts. And that's the number one thing with Mitchell you see on film. It's just how he's a clever and instinctive son of a gun. So yeah, Mitchell, for me, I've watched both the Bama corners, Terry and Arnold and Kooliade McKinthry. Those two guys are viewed as corner one and corner two in this class.

Neither one of them for me feels like they're a tier above Mitchell. Like I don't mind if you have Mitchell corner three. But I don't watch those guys and watch Mitchell and go, oh yeah, clearly Arnold, clearly McIntyre and then we go on. Then me, they're all pretty lumped in there in the top. Along with Iowa. We already talked about it. Cooper to Jean.

Cooper to Jean. I literally can't. We're going to say that. Can't wait for Coving. Can't wait. So to me, like, clearly, like, when I was watching this today, I was just like the most NFL, the thing where I'm like, Jaden Reed again, where I'm like, this is like an NFL thing I'm watching, was Quineon Mitchell, the cornerback, and he was guarding Roman Wilson, who is the receiver

at a Michigan D.K. You were talking about him early this week. But you were, I asked who you're excited to see. The first name you said was Roman Wilson. And then these guys kind of went up all day. And it was sick. And like, early, Quinion and Mitchell ran a route basically for Jerry Rice's son. and literally the best catch of the day from the receivers

was straight up Quineon Mitchell intercepting a pass and it was like all right he needs to go against better competition no offense to Jared Rice's son again the guy your friend Ray who came up and was like who you model your game after to Jerry Rice's son I know I love that it was like the most awkward moment of my life clever but so DK how did you

how did you feel about Roman Wilson because he's going against like Quinnion Mitchell and NFL cornerback and then you see Roman Wilson yeah and I actually flex just talked to Quinnion and Mitchell actually the availability and I was like Oh, nice. What was like, because he was like, oh, I'm a perfectionist.

I'm a harshest, I'm like, all right, dude, what did you do wrong today? And he was like, dude, I slipped on a route against. Yeah. So this one of the coolest, one of the coolest things I think the teams do here is, I want to say they call it, maybe it's wrong. So like, but they call it like call out, where they have at the very end of practice, it's basically like one defensive player who's had been the best that week. So all the all the players go from their drills and they all make a circle. It's like the jets and the sharks they're going to fight. like they're going around like snapping

and Quinion Mitchell called out Roman Wilson Best on Best, Roman Wilson ran an out route and shook Quinnian Mitchell and actually Mitchell like slipped and got open but the pass was actually really behind Well out of the first break Mitchell slept out of the second break Wilson slept

So Mitchell was able to get back into him So you thought these guys are trying to hit hard angles Oh yeah, they're going to another So but then anyways so the past was off target because of that slip, I believe. But Roman Wilson caught, like, it was a laser, and he caught it with one hand at the sideline. Okay, so Roman Wilson, also for contact. Quinnion Mitchell was the first rounder, stop me.

A first rounder. A second rounder. Yes. Stop. That's sick. I think the reason he might not be a first, probably not going to be a first, is just he's small. He's not big. Yeah.

But he's very twitchy. He's very sudden, you know, and very, very explosive. Cut on a dime. Yeah, he's 510 a buck 80 And so this is a slot player And so that just kind of limits What you're gonna be Unless I think he runs a surprising speed

Of the combine and then you start thinking Okay, maybe you can take the top up on you He ran a 437 laser timed at the opening And when he was in high school So I said again, we need a 3 note A 437 Late with a laser 444 437

Because the hand time 40s are like The self-reported heights Like Xavier leg is like It was Like okay You had a 20 mile an hour wind at your back Yeah, exactly The laser times are like

That's actually like this is the opening for Nike, which they put on for high school high school laser. And it's I mean, it's more regulated. I don't know for sure if it's like that is like exactly what he ran, but it's much more regulated than doing it at a track or whatever. Dude, when we're at the combine, every time they talk about this, we have to do the

Doctor Evil. Laser. Wait, what kind of 40-0 dash is that? Laser. The other Jane Reed, another Jade Reed, grown ass man award. Dude, Oregon Center, Jackson Powers Johnson. Square pants. SpongeBob Squarepants.

So, like, you turn, well, ZK calls him SpongeBob. You just called him by his name, which I mean, I guess that's cool. You just turned to me, I don't remember what you said. You basically were like, I was in my head,

I'm thinking dodge ball when he's like, that, like that dude can play. Yeah, that's basically what you said to me. No, he's, he's, he's,

isn't, when you watch him on film, he's a SpongeBob, square pants. Yeah, this is, Oregon Center. He is a high effort player, right?

This is that, they are a heavy screen team and a heavy misdirection team, and so they're going to get him moving out in space and they need him to be to be active. And so he's always really nice on the hoof. He tracks well. He runs well.

I haven't heard that one. Nice on the what? On the hoof. This is a word that I'm bad. This is a word. Two jargons and a lie. I'm just going to be like, what did you just say?

Yeah. This is a word I acknowledge I'm bad at. It's not like a hyphen's from him to pretend like I know what I'm like. No, I think the word is right, but the expression is. You know, like, he's nice on the run. Oh, yeah. When an office alignment is good on the hoof, it means that when you get him into space, right? you're playing in the phone booth, right?

You're stepping backwards, you're absorbing contact, you're trying to pass protect. Every so often, though, you climb into the second level. He's climbing on a street. Running and destroying a quarterback in space. You're on the hoof, right? Exactly. And for certain teams, like, that's going to be really, really important, right?

Like, when the Ravens took Tyler Lindelbaum, sent out of Iowa in the first round a couple years ago, one of the big reasons was he was good on the hoof, right? And for Greg Roman in that offense, they needed him to pull a lot and needed to move him around a lot. Powers Johnson came in at 3.30. Yeah, that's enormous. for a center.

And it's like 70% in his chest. Yeah. Dude, he literally is kind of like if Clint hurt was like a college kid. Like he's just, there's so much more of him than there should be. Yeah.

Yeah. And he didn't come in, uh, stubby either. He's got 31 inch arms, which they certainly aren't, aren't long. That's not amazing.

But you, you, you, he has enough length to be successful. And then he also can still get his arms back underneath you. So it was really long guys struggle to re-leverage. He re-leverages very successfully. Oh my God.

Wait, well, you can do the images. is in Spotify now. We can drop, if you're listening on Spotify right now, we can put an image of the Oregon Center in and you can see why we keep calling him a SpongeBob. So check the phone. We'll put it. Love it. Yeah. So this is a player who has a

really impressive skill set for center. I was trying to find comps for a guy, like body type wise, playing at this way at center. It's not something that you see very often at the NFL level. The thing that's been most impressive here is just nobody can exchange power with them, right? Every single one-on-one defensive tackles. There's the initial contact. Powers Johnson gets his hands set. He drops his weight,

and then the reps over. And even when he's getting beat off the line, a guy crosses his face and gets to his shoulder, he's able to recover quickly, he's got quick feet, he gets a paw on the guy, and then the rep ends. There's not been somebody through two days who was just beating the guy with power.

He's played at center. He's played at both guard spots and practice. This is a round one player in the interior. I walked in not thinking he was that caliber. I've been convinced over the course of the week. This guy's going around one. I, Captain. I wish Craig was here.

Okay, he would have got that. All right, whatever. Was that a SpongeBob reference? I can't hear you. Oh, okay. Oh, who lives on a pineapple? Sorry. Was that you being like, so did you get it and were like, that was really bad?

I didn't, it was I-I-Captain. I was just like, that was a weird way for Hyvids to move on. And then I realized it was fun, probably. They can't be winners. Okay, other guys, January just this, like, grown-ass man, this is an NFL player. D.K., you told me going in, you were excited to see this dude. And then he was like, I felt like haven't been told about a band before it got famous. Marsha, and this is now everyone can listen.

Marshaun Lloyd, running back at a USC. This dude has, like, been the best running back at the Cedar ball. He's been one of, two, I think, are the best, him and Ray Davis from Kentucky, but Lloyd has, I mean, he, I think the one of the question was like, where number zero practices this week,

which is so. Yeah, number one, I think he kind of lives up to his name, Marshawn. I don't know if he was named after Marshawn, unless I don't think the math probably works right for that, but no, he plays physical, he's got good balance, like a low center of gravity to duke and jump cut. The most underrated trait in a running back

that balance. And he breaks tackles, which is great. Obviously, like, I think in this setting, it's hard to evaluate running backs, but you can see the burst, you can see the explosiveness, you can see the jump cut. So, you know, he's been really impressive to me. He's caught the ball a little bit this week, which is great. And then Ray Davis is six, what was it? What is it?

5-8-220 pounds. Wait, I think, well, dense. Sorry, Ray Davis is running back at the Kentucky. 5'8 out of Kentucky. He is 5-8-2-20. 5-8-2-20. Yeah. So, for perspective, do you remember Doug Martin? the Tampa Bay Buccaneers running back.

The muscle hamster. Five nine, two, twenty three. So we were talking about... Wow. We're shorter. We're talking about the muscle... I love that. What's like...

What's like... A guinea pig? No, that's way bigger than a hamster. I don't know any of my rants. Whatever smaller than a hamster. He's the muscle that. Email so at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. Because a capy bar is bigger.

The muscle... It's the biggest one, dude. Can you imagine being named... Nicknamed the muscle hamster. You get to the NFL you achieve your lifelong dream. And they're like, hey, muscle hamster. I think he owns it. I think he lives up to it.

The brow was bad, but Anthony Davis has a lot of money. So, but that's, so what is smaller than hamster? Dude, I gerbil. Are those smaller? Muscle gerb muscle gerb. Are those smaller or bigger? Potentially. We will pilot this to him tomorrow.

But hey, muscle gerbil. Muscle gerbil. Kentucky's good. Muscle hamster. Muscle gerbil is good. I think Lloyd's a better player. I like Lloyd quite a bit. For USC.

Yeah, to USC. He just constantly popped on, on Trojans film. He can break big runs. He can win tough stuff. between the tackles. He's good in short yardage. He catches the football well enough. He's a good route runner and understands where he's supposed to get.

I think hands-wise, I would love him to be more consistent, but that's true of like every back not named Christian McCaffrey. Lloyd reminds me of Giovante Williams out of UNC a little bit. Oh, that's an inch. Yeah, I like that. Yeah. I feel like Javentine to me runs, you're at fisherman. You know when you catch a fish and the fish like really is mad that you like caught

the fish and you're pulling out of the water? So that was the thing I was going to say was that Javante at a UNC had a really bad reputation for bouncing and not hitting the correct hole. I think Lloyd's better in that regard. He certainly has some issues there. I think more Denver, Javante, where he's gotten better at that. That's the sort of player that I see out of Marsha and Lloyd.

Javonty's a tough guy to calibrate too, because he's going to remember the athleticism. But I'll be interested to see how Lloyd tests because Javante across the board. He was like Lloyd. He was 5-9, 2-15, and then he was just above-average speed, above average jumps, above average agility.

He was just like a good athlete across the board. I'm curious to see if Lloyd gets there, but I think Lloyd is a solid NFL athlete, solid NFL running back. 5-9-217 was what he weighed in it. Yeah, I want to see the explosives for Lloyd because I think that that's where he's going to make his hay the way that Giovante did, but we got to see the numbers.

So obviously, you know, our day job here is doing a fantasy football show. The running-back class isn't that great. Last year was kind of sick. There are a lot of running backs. This year, and obviously, you know, six-run running backs since they'll end up being really useful in fantasy. But I'm curious, like, Blake Corum was the most famous running back in this class, went to Michigan.

But, like, he didn't have an explosive. He was like a veteran. And, like, you know, he's the guy. He was the captain, Michigan team, and he did the interviews. because he had the broken face with the blood. And like, that's just how I think. I just saw that pic. He's,

you know, you have contact photos for people in your head? Like, you think of it. Like, when I think of Blake, No. If I think of Stephen Ries, don't you have,

like, a certain moment with Stephen that that's when you think of Stephen's face? No, I just think of Stephen's face. I don't know. Like, when I think of Blake Corm, the first Google result in my head is him with the fucking broken,

bloody face. That makes sense. I want to look this up. I don't know if I've seen that. Oh my God. You haven't seen this? Yeah. I'm gonna look at Blake Corum face

Blake quorum face. Dude, this dude played a football game like this. Well, that's, I think that's like that it's a funny that you said that because I think when I think of him, I'm just like he's a ball player. Look at this. Blake Corum bloody face. This is literally like he went to like a, he did like an interview like this.

He did a press conference like that. Picture up on the Spotify feed. Look at that. He did a. Oh, wow, yeah. Anyway. Intense dude. So, ball player. Having said that. No, he's good.

Like he's like doing these like one, you know, I think almost all his touchdowns in his entire four year college career were like inside of like the four yard line. So like I don't know if he's necessarily going to be a super high pick. He's a coachable guy. Do you think like this isn't a great class, the best running back in this draft class. Like you know,

Trayvian Henderson from Ohio State went back to school. So like the best running back in this class in theory is probably what Jonathan Brooks, Texas who has a torn ACL. I personally think it's Tray Benson, but. Tray Benson. Okay. Florida State. Marshall and Lloyd,

you know, I know where it's a senior ball, a lot of running backs of juniors having said that. Marshall and Lloyd might be the second. He might be a third rounder. Yeah, but he also might be the second and third highest drafted running back. Like, how many running backs can be taken ahead of Marshall? Yeah, I don't know.

That's a good question. I think a few can go before him. I think that estimate at Notre Dame is a chance to go before him. Corum has a chance to go before him. Raylon Allen, Wisconsin is a chance to go before him. There's guys. I think that he's a middle round guy the way that most running backs these days are a little round guys. Not even that there are in like no first roundbacks this year.

It's like there are less second rounders than you. I don't think there's, there may not be a second rounder. So that's amazing. So it's a really weak class. It's a, I would say there's guys that are going to be contributors in the NFL and run the ball and carry the football and score fantasy points. But there are no like, Breece Halls. There's no Kenneth Walker in this class, probably. No six to midnight guys.

Right. Yeah. I mean, yeah, but like there are definitely guys that I like a lot in this class. I just don't think you're going to see like a 300, 300 touch fantasy player in year one. Yeah. So there's only one class in history where no running back went in the top 50. It was 2014. This is Dane Bruegler of the athletic brought this up to me in reference to this class.

Do you guys remember who the running back was in that 2014 class, the first back off board? It's such a name. 2014. So that's Sammy Watkins. So the year of the, oh, this is the incredible draft. That's with Aaron Donald's. Yeah. And then they're no, 2014.

Yes. Mendenhall? No, he was the first runner. No. Now, so I won't tell you who the first one was. One running back in the first two rounds or running by the first top 50? No, there was no running back in the top 50. The first one went at 54 overall.

After him at 55 overall won Jeremy Hill to the Bengals. Carlos Hyde at 57 to the 49ers. Carlos Hyde. Yeah. Trey Mason was in this class. Derek McKinnon, Devonte Freeman was in this class. James White was in this class.

So at Pick 54, the Tennessee Titans selected. Oh, Lendale, no, that was 10 years earlier. Wow, I'm so old. Bishop Sanky.

Oh, yeah. Bishop Sanky. You do. You do. Bishop Sanky. So that's the only class in history in which there's been no running back in the top 50.

There's a chance that this year becomes the second year. I was way off with Menonahole. He was in the show. 2008 draft. Dude, I said Lendale White. Pete Carroll was at USC. I was so wrong.

Oh, well. Okay. So those are like the Jade, those guys are all grown-ass men, right? Those guys are like, well, those guys are probably in the NFL players. Quinnian Mitchell, Roman Wilson from Michigan,

Jackson, Powers Johnson, SpongeBob for Oregon, Marshall Lloyd, Ray Davis for running back. Yeah. I want to do a little grab bag now because So, like, honestly, it's like a,

it's like a joy, like watching these practices with Solek because So like, like, in the best sense of the word, like nerds out. And like, I want to go through the grab bag. bag because there's so many guys that peak your interest. I want to do a grab bag of not necessarily guys that are like NFL player, but like, you're

like, oh, wow, what was that? Like a little flash or something. Yeah. I want to start with the Utah safety Vaki, who you're like, we have to talk about this person. Well, Sean Vakke, I just really wanted to talk about him because he's going to tickle your fancy high fits because you love the unique stories of kids. Vaki was, he was on a mission for his first two years of college. He was in Tonga.

And then COVID hit and he came back and he was finishing his mission. And then he finished his last two years at the University of Utah. playing safety. And then this past year, Utah had just like horrible injury luck across the board. They started running back who was suspended. They had running backs who were banged up. And so eventually they just had to play Baki at running back, which he did not play. Yes, which he did not play in, high school. Like he touched the ball, but he was like a wide receiver. He was a punt returner, but he didn't play back. He went to the same high school as, as Najee Harris did. When Najee was like a senior, he was a freshman. He was like blocking for him and learning from himself.

Doing the Debo Samuel of Debo was a safety. And so his first game, uh, As a back, they're playing Cal, and he ran for 15 yards and two touchdowns on 15 carries. So, yeah, see, why does it ever do this? He's just a crazy athlete. He's just, like, insanely explosive. And so they moved on, they used him on both sides of the ball for the rest of the season. Dude, this is Cloy's box.

Yeah. He's, he's, he's an end. 100%. He's an end. Yes. So he's six foot, 2.10, and he's, uh, just rocked up total athleticism. He played, uh, he's here at, as safety. They played him as safety on day one.

And then on day two, he was doing safety drills and all of a sudden halfway through the day, there's just a guy wearing the wrong colored jersey in the running back room. Because the defense is wearing black and the offense is wearing white. And it's Cionne Bach. He was taking some running back snaps.

Just to run some rounds just to see it. So people asked him after practice, whatever. Like, what do you want to be? He's like, I'll be whatever. You know, an athlete weapon, unique guy. He's going to be, he's going to get drafted. He's going to be a core special teamer. It's going to be a punt return.

He's going to be a, like, we'll talk about a four phase, a special teams guy. He's on field goal unit. He's on punt unit. he's on kickoff unit. Like, he's going to be high value from them across the board. And then, yeah, like, he has the ability to, like,

be in random goal line packages, be in fourth down packages and be used as a returner and then, like, also backup safety. Wasn't it Chris Marigos like that? I don't, not for the Eagles, he was. He might have been for the Seahawks. Oh, maybe not. Do you remember the Texans fullback caught the, like, Andrew Beck?

Andrew Beck. Yep. Like, that's just like, he's going to be, like, the gunner and the turn that gets the ball and he's like, and you fuck now. And only two years of college ball experience for Vocki because he was on the mission. And so he's got a,

a lot of untapped potential. He's a fun got to follow. All right. So other guys that made Solek made like noises today. Sook made a noise. I saw Xavier Leggett, who is the wide receiver in South Carolina, aka the guy who said he was six foot three,

is actually six foot one, which is kind of like super relatable. You made sounds because he's like the size of AJ Brown and then did this. Gravitational pull for Legate. If the ball's near him, he catches it, right? He,

black hole. He got magnets in his hands. He's impressive adjusting to the football, especially he's playing on the second team, the American team. So that's with Michael Pratt, throwing the ball and Spencer Rattler. turning the ball in Joe Milton

on the ball on Carter Bradley throwing up. Accuracy. He's going and and maybe it's like actually good practice to them to have terrible quarterbacks because these guys are going to go like hey get ready to play with Matt Jones.

And Leggett had not a great day of practice in day one, in day one, excuse me, day two he came out. He was, I think it was way more physical, he was way sharper.

He looked a lot better. Attention and focus. I think was just a lot higher. He's more comfortable with the nature of the of the reps, which was good. The only corner that handled him pretty consistently was my man out of Louisville kid, Brownley.

Brownlee's not even that big and he was going punch for punch with him. He's fun to watch. But Leggett's a tricky one, right? Yeah, 6-1-223. And he, at South Carolina, game speed, he hit 23 MPH during a game. I think it was the Mississippi State game.

You just said MPH? Highfitz hates when you use acronyms, by the way. You're not allowed to just use acronyous at all. All right. I'm not trying to be judgy. I'm just saying factually, MPH is the same amount of syllables as miles per hour.

That's fair. So I'm just like, I was just say it. Yeah, no, I, I, I always, whenever there's someone, acronym something. Just be you. Just say what you want to say. But, my office is continually trying to stop me from saying acronyms.

I don't have a dog in this fight. This is your guy's just like. Are you in a quarter of a second? It was like MP. People know what MPH is. I didn't want to bring it up. I wasn't going to say it. And then you're like,

Hyphus is going to be bad. No, you did. You absolutely brought it up. Yeah. You, you said Hyphitz is going to be bad. No, you said, said, did you just say MPH? I did.

We can check the tape if you want. You're right. That's what happened. So anyway, Seleck. Leg it. Solac is the peacemaker. So how fast was he going?

He was going, like, I looked at it real quick. I searched for it on Twitter. I saw it our analytics had him at 22.3 miles per hour, also known as MPH in the Mississippi State game. He took it, he took just like a little slant, a little drag and housed it.

And it's one of those plays that looks like, like you can see the safety go to take an angle to be like, I'm going to tackle him. And then like two steps into the angles. like, going to tackle him. Where is he going? Right?

And the stage he just like starts to lean and bend and go back right. By that time, it's already over. So he's got legit wheels while carrying 220. And so in the world in which we like our yards after the catch athlete, some people call it yak in the NFL, also known as the National Football League. In that world,

he's going to be a really interesting player, especially outside of round one, where you start to look for those day two receivers who hit for teams. He's the sort of guy that you get him into, that Shanehan offense, gave him into some yards after the catch offense. I mean, that's a big body moving at high speeds. Very valuable player.

So leg it. I like the contested catch. I like the catch radius. There's separation questions. Those route questions. But fundamentally, you don't find bodies this big moving, this faster receiver very often. So that makes him valuable. Other guys, also I've figured out why the MPH thing bothers me.

We'll do that later. The other guy that you also said Cam Hunt quarterback out of Notre Dame, really impressed you. Well, he's 6'3, and he's a big boy. Dude, are there are any cornerbacks that are 6'4? I feel like 6-3 is massive for a cornerback. Pretty rare. Yeah, it's really big. Because they can't turn and change directions quickly enough, usually.

Yeah, and I do think that's going to be a bit of a thing for Hunt. Like, he might be the sort of guy who's just constantly being like, what if he became a safety? Zion McCollum, who's the corner with Tampa Bay is about 6-3. A.J. Green was 6-3. Xavier Roe. E.J. Green. Was there a cornerback named E. Oklahoma State?

How big it was Porter last year, Joey Porter, Jr.? quarters like 6-6-1 and change, right? 6-1 and change. Yeah. See, that's where the cornerbacks, the wingspan matters because they're using their fingers at the top. But the lineman, your hands are vertical. This is my new thing. I actually like this.

You have to subtract the size of your hands from the wingspan for the line. The end of your wrist. Because it's like the delinement, it's like, oh, your middle fingers. Like, it's not Michael. Tarik-Wollen is 6-4. That's a large. It's a large guy. Benjamin St.

Joust, who's with Washington is 6-3. Nomdi-Ox-3. These are laser. Shirm was 6-3. These are real heights. Akella Weatherspoon is 60. Ooh, Akele Weatherspoon. He's got some Witherspoon to him.

Yeah, I can see that. I'm thinking about Cam Hunt. Yeah. Okay. An idea is brewing. But Cam Hunt, right. If you're going to be 6-3, right, you're going to be a cover one, cover three corner. You're going to exist on a vertical plane, and we're not going to ask you to play his own.

We're not going to ask you to flip and change direction. We're going to try to give you a bit. Your cornerback D. K. Vertical third and let you hang with it, right. So he's in a position now where pretty much every one-on-one rep, he's up there pressing, and he's just trying to control line of scrimmage and deny routes, deny breaks.

And he generally sticks with it pretty well. And you can see how well he wins in those first five yards. And so if you're that Dan Quinn team, whether that's the Cowboys or Washington or otherwise, and you're looking for corners who can fill that mold, Cam Hunt. I don't think he's going to have to be like a first two rounds pick, but he's going to be around for you.

You can get him on the roster. Okay. Lightning around. Who else did you want to shout out from today? Marshawn Neeland, edge out of Western Michigan, from the great city of Grand Rapids, went to high school about five minutes from my house. Nice.

Neeland, man, three times of practice, a play just ends because he's in the backfield. And you're just like, all right, it's not the football, an immediate whistle. And then Marshall Neeland is celebrating seven yards in the backfield. He was clocked at 20 MPH yesterday. Lightning fast wins, yeah. 268, he's got length to him.

It's true defensive end. DJ had him in the top 50 that dropped yesterday. Daniel Jeremiah's top 50. I'm desperately looking for edge rushers to like in this class. I haven't watched this film yet. hopefully he doesn't disappoint me. It's Neeland and it's, it's Darius Robinson. I was going to say that was the other guy.

Darius Robinson came to Missouri as a defensive tackle and cut weight to become a defensive end. Not typically the way it's done, all right? Usually you start smaller and you add. Because if you're not athletic enough to be a D& you're like gain weight, be a decalculate. You're not athletic enough as a big guy. So Dek and I both watched Darius Robinson today

had a killer practice. They too, which is just dominating one-on-ones from the interior, from the outside. Taylor Guy Inn is supposed to be a first-round pick, I tackle to Oklahoma, Robinson is just walking him back into the pocket. Guy and I have a little bit of doubts about. And Robinson, so I'm like, oh, Robinson also has a little bit of doubts about Guyton. I think Guyton is more just like, he's an athletic, really athletic, like, what his potential

could be. People are talking like, oh, I'm going to draft Guyton top 20. I'm like, you should watch the Mizzou kids doing to him. And so Robinson liked watching the film. I was like, I just reminded me of somebody who's reminding me out. And then I went back to the hotel, watched some film. And I was like, oh, this is, this is Key on White and the Georgia Tech Edge who came here last year. It was dominant last season.

Goes to the Patriots. He had some round one buzz out of the senior ball. He goes to the Patriots in the second round. Yeah. And it played great. Yeah, he was good. He was a splash. He was a splashy defense alignment for them this year. And so he's like, man, he's having his key on white build. That's what he's doing is having his Key on White moment. And I came to the room to record the podcast. I was like, you know, D.K. I watched him

Darius Robinson film. You know who he reminds me of? Key on White. And D.K. shows me his laptop. He's got Key on White written down. I was like this year's Keyon White. Like a really tall or really long, physical like twitchy powerful five tech slash three cinder blocks at the end of his wrist man

when he went powerful hands when he lands on you dude it's it's tectonic there's sonic waves it's sick inder blocks I wonder if he's like is mad you remember Keon White when he got drafted in the second round he was like so yeah he was furious he would not smile so do you play Zelda have you played the news at Breath of the Wild

no well in there's you can make weapons in it by just fusing objects to weapons so if you have like a tree branch you could just like you could fuse a cinder block to a tree branch. And it's like you can just fuse. I'm making references no one gets. I'm really bad at this now.

That's tough. Any other guys you want to shout up before we need some emails? Brownlee, Louisville corner, Max Melton, the Rutgers corner, Bo Melton's younger brother, both of them playing nickel, Melton with the first team for National and then Brownlee for American. What a practice Brownie had. Brownley just knew the routes, dude.

He was just walking past the receiver room and just kind of catching a quick on the year. I think this has been a common theme, too, for today, at least, was the defensive backs were just on it. Like, they were really suffocating the receivers in 101. There's a lot of good cornerbacks in this draft. A lot of good quarterbacks. The first team corners, which has Quinnian and has Max Melton and has Cam, Cam Hunt on it.

That is a highly competitive group, man. They like to win. You can tell, like, they're up on each other a little bit. Senior ball practice, it's important to ramp up the competition level and to see guys at high pressure. They're doing a really good job with that. So Melton, Brownlee out of Louisville. I thought Brownlee out of Louisville had the best day of any player over the first two days.

I thought he was excellent. Michael Hall is the defense to tackle at Ohio State. 285, so that's fake. I have no idea how you get that on the field, but he is so freaking quick. Michael Hall is going to be hard for me to remember because it's the most generic game of all time.

It's like Brian Thomas and Michael Hall. Yeah, he's quick as a link, man. He's good. Yeah, it was a good day for some discovery guys. Some guys really like after maybe quiet day one, stepped up in a big way day too. This is the other thing I wanted to bring up

before we move on is, and this is not someone that, That's low key or like unknown. But Laotu Latu has also been having a great, I feel like we haven't talked about it. So he's been having a great. Yeah, a couple of great practices. I think a week ago we were doing,

we were talking about some guys and you're talking about how Layatu Latu is like your favorite player, or at least your favorite defender in this class. I mean, he's like the most fun player to watch. And you're like using basically he can do everything. You compared him in the NFL draft. Dotterriner.com. He compared him to Jean-Claude Van Dam,

which led with the whole page. Which neither of you guys knew who that was. I knew who he was. I haven't seen blood sport. Latu, what you were. saying, but Latsu is like, this guy's incredible. We're like, what's the catch? Like, oh, well, he medically retired two years ago and then they unretired. But UCLay because they have like one of the best medical facilities in America.

He retired. Then he went to UCLA. They're like, no, you can play and they made him strength. kind of like Steph Curry had to relearned a walk. Right. They're like, you have to train your neck every single day for like six months and then you can play football. And now he's, but like if you watch him and this is what we'd heard from, you know, different people. I think Lance Eerling was tweeting about this. Like he's, he's, he's, he's like all business. You know what I mean? Like he's such a pro

personality and I, and like philosophy. Like he comes in with a very specific plan every time he lines up. He's, he's hitting guys with ghost moves. He's hitting guys with different moves that like he's basically building up to these moves as he goes along in a game. Like he has a lot of really nuanced and technical skill with his hands.

And I like, I said this to you guys, I think, but I felt like there was no plays where he was stymied. when I was watching his tape. There was like zero plays where he was like locked up with a guy and couldn't do anything. You know what I mean? He's like continues to spin, chop, swipe, like use his hands to get the offensive

alignment off his body and like do something and didn't always like get home. But he finished, I think in first in college football, I saw this from PFF in true pass sets. He had the highest pass rush win weight of any play, win rate of any rate. Pass rush win weight. Pass rush win rate. It's maestro. Yeah. He can, yeah, yeah.

Latu's a problem solver, right? And you can see over the course of games, which I think has been really, really cool, that he's, first quarter, he's figuring out what he's getting on his tackle-wise, then he's setting up moves for the second half and four key situations.

And then he's, you know, he's got reps where he's coming off the ball slow, and he's coming off upright, he's going into your chest, and all of a sudden out of nowhere, just a fast wrap right off the ball, and he's getting to your outside shoulder. You can tell that he understands the full picture,

right? This isn't a one-speed rusher. There's some, uh, Isaac Adisa at Penn State. is like an interesting edge, kind of a one speed guy. Even Darius Robinson, like he is a get into your body and chuck you back sort of a guy. He's got like a push, pull to him, but generally

these are a little bit one-trick ponies. Latu's evolved, right? This is a high caliber passports. It's like a professional. Yeah, exactly. He's got a lot in his bag and you see him just deploy it over time. He's an impressive specimen. Dude, yeah, that's, I think my main takeaway is like, I think that's, I mean, it's very corny and obviously

the point of the draft, but literally the point of the draft is to find professionals. Yeah. And that's, I think that's, like, literally the highest compliment. Like, yeah, you're a pro. Right. That's all these guys want to do, right? The other, one other guy I wanted to mention, and I don't necessarily think he was, like, super

impressive. I know So, like, wasn't very impressed with them today, but Marcus Rosmee Jackson with all-time name. Sorry, you have to do that. Marcus Rosmee Jackson, receiver from Georgia. Rosmi-hyphen Jackson, one word. It's like, I've never, I had it read it. It's kind of like MPH.

Jackson. That's a surname I have not heard very often, but I love it. Anyway, he flat. I thought he flat. a lot day one on Tuesday. He came back out today. It was not quite as noticeable. He had a couple of plays.

But I think he was a good, to me, he's a good example of kind of why the senior ball matters and from a fantasy point of view, from Dynasty Football, fantasy point of view, these are the kind of guys you kind of want to keep an eye on because he didn't have a big production. Obviously, most people probably have not heard of this guy outside. Even though he was on Georgia fans.

He had, I think, like 400-something yards last two years. in both years, he had something like 400 yards. So obviously not huge production in that offense. But I was like, you know, just looking at him, watching a play, he has good size, he has good speed. He made some plays on day one. I was like, you know, he's from Georgia. He probably was like a four-star guy. And I went and looked it up.

He was a four-star top 100 recruit. Yep. So like, I think he's a name to remember just because in the scouting community, in, you know, these evaluators, remember these four-star guys, top 100 recruits. These are guys a lot. You know what I mean? These things matter to, you know, whether it's like part of their process, probably not. More it's like a bias.

Like I remember this guy when he's coming up high school. So he's the type of guy who it wouldn't surprise me if he goes in like the middle rounds. Fantasy football. Dot the ringer. More like real football than I ever thought was fantasy football. I remember that guy. But it's like, oh, I remember that guy. It's five stars.

But it's like NFL scouts actually kind of like, oh, look at this. I mean, I think there's a lot of examples of this over the years where it's like these guys tend to land and contribute. teams just because of their, you know, they can do things and moving away that other guys can't. Marcus Rosamiecki, Jack Staint. So meanwhile, across the stadium, Silak and I were watching him the other side of the building. And I turn, I'm like, who's that guy? It looks like he's just a guy.

Yeah. I mean, I saw him a couple of times. He flashed for me a couple times today. I don't think he had like a big day. He ran a curl route that upset me. You can't win them all. You should take several fewer steps to get out of that break than Rosemary Jack St. took to get that break. And to be clear, I'm not

saying he's like a superstar. I'm saying he's probably going to be you know, fifth round or something like that. But you know who's going to be in the league for 15 years who's here right now? Is that the Kansas State tight end? Is that? Oh, yeah. Is Senate? Read Senate?

Yeah, yeah. Sinat? I don't know. Reed Sinit is, there's a quarterback out of Florida. Oh, no. Sorry, it was, it's Ben Sinit. Ben Sinat. Ben Sinat.

Ben Sinat. It's just every route. He's just no nonsense. He's quick into the break. He's got strong hands. He catches through contact and he moves decently well. He's just going to Dalton Schultz's way to second contract just for for a hundred years.

Don Shollinshaw. That's great. He's going to have one season of 800 yards and six touchdowns and everybody's going to draft him in fantasy football and he's going to have

400 yards every year for the rest of his career. Yeah. Love him. All right. You guys want to see some emails? emails. All right.

So if you haven't heard by now the previous show, you can go to, you know, my Twitter is Danny underscore Hyfitz, Instagram's at Danny Hyfitz. And you can see a video of yesterday's show.

I said Ben Johnson, the Detroit Lions officer coordinator, myestro. And I was, you know, super politely. and like not a big deal informed that that's not how you say it's maestro and while I just ate and

I'm like all right yeah that's not how you say I get it mystra I immediately was like oh I guess that's wrong I a couple things I didn't want to say in the moment but I would like to just one it's literally in fucking Italian like it's a different language which I feel like yeah where are we are we in Italy I'm just saying like it's a different word like I just wanted to point that up like if so the first time you're like deja va what is that it's like well all right well it's French you get it's a different thing. Jameson. Shout out to freaking Jameson you email then. I mean, first of all, can we rewind the tape? I believe I said you're probably

pronouncing in an Italian correctly. These emailers are irrelevant. Yeah, I acknowledge this. You're in America. Fine. You said it wrong. End of story. You're right. I'm being defensive because everybody's funny. What did Jameson say? Do the Jameson. James. That's not his name. Jameson.

Son. Son of James. Jameson. Oh, that is where it comes from. Isn't it James Sun? I don't know. Why do you do this? God, so dumb. Anyway, Jameson, Jameson, is like,

I already want to retract this. It's like, it starts with, in fairness to hyphus, and he's like, listening right now, and he's like, I really wish I.

He's like, my estro means teacher in Spanish, and that is the way it is pronounced in Spanish. Yeah. That's so cool for Spanish, dude. I used to go Spanish, like forever ago. I think that's where it was in my brain.

Okay. That would be an, so the way you said, that was so, like, kind of setting, like, okay. That would have been like a great defense yesterday,

if you remembered it before someone else told you. I just ate it. Anyway, Anyway, I took this screenshot of this email. Okay, this was, what? The subject line, someone, someone tells Solac. I read the email. I was like, I screenshot this.

I'm going to read this later. I didn't read the name. The person's name is just bread. Bread. It's spelled like bread. It's B-R-E-A-D. It's bread. Good name.

Bread's the best. Bread. Bread. Bread. Someone tells Solac, I mean this in all love. And all love. This isn't going to end well. I'm worried.

all of us all that. He keeps saying players vaunted themselves, but he means vaulted themselves. Oh. Because vaunted is to praise. Yeah. It's okay. I do this more than anyone on earth.

I don't pronounce words right. D.K.'s version of that is D.K. Just can never, Dekin never uses one metaphor. He's the wrong word. You always pull two different, like, phrases together. Yeah. So it's kind of a word for that when you,

when you flip-flop the meaning of similar sounding words. I can't remember what it is. Yeah, but I do that with more than a few words. And so I always appreciate the people identify them because I don't hear it in my head. Like, I just slowly say the word vaunted to like remember what the definition was big, oh yeah, like yeah. Like it was a vaunted

defense. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. All right, so we got, this was from Chris. Chris. Chris. All right, so this is about acronym versus initialisms, which I saw before, but now that you mentioned the MPH thing. After listening your most recent show, I know Craig kept referring to DVOA being a terrible acronym. I think

That might have been me. I don't know. No one knows his voices who's on the show. Yeah, that was definitely such a great ring. Craig was not on the show. I don't know.

Unfortunately, devio, am I, maybe I'm Craig. Unfortunately, I'm daddy. Someone's mind is blown. There's two dany's,

which is confusing. Some of those things like, there's two dandy. The group chat that we're in right now where it's just Danny and Danny on my phone. I'm just like, this is not helpful.

You have lost names in your phone? No, I do. But when, when you're in a group chat on iPhone, it just shows the first names for like a group chat. And so the challenge is called Danny and Danny.

Yep. That's literally why Brian Flores is like suing the NFL is that Bill Belichick is texting Brian Dayball and he was texting Brian Flores and now there's like entire lawsuit. Me and Bill just struggling with the iPhone. And I'm like, yeah. So Chris writes, unfortunately, DVA is not an acronym. Instead, it's something called an initialism. An initial. We definitely someone.

We've done this before. But it didn't stick. An initialism is pronounced as individual letters like DVOA MVP. Dova. DNA. Instead of Dova. So when you guys were all arguing about the MPA-H thing, then you're talking about acronyms.

An acronym, however, is said as a word, like NASA, ASAP, Scuba. Scoop is an acronym. Yeah. Was self-contained underwater breathing apparatus. What a pole. You just knew that? I knew that too.

Yeah, that's like one of the most famous acronyms. I mean, it's pretty famous. I think I'm getting dumber. If you, there's like one of those memes or it's like if your circle isn't talking about how to make money, but you're like, if your circle's not talking

about house guba's in Africa, what are you to find different friends? Cupfunk fan is happening. So I'm just saying, I just want to say, I can't believe you've got this before the show. MPH. Initialism.

Well, no, I guess you don't pronounce it because that would be mf. Yeah, it's an initialism. It's an initialism. It would be funny to do.

Dude, you know, Neil, what's his name, Neeland, the, Marcuson Neeland. Marshawn Nieland.

Marchon Nealon ran 20. I will pay, I will pay either of you lunch to it. I will buy either of you lunch tomorrow when they put the top speeds up on the board for practice. They put up the top GPS speeds in the Jumbotron during practice. You just say to somebody who's not in this pod, you're like, all right, the mfs are up.

Let's see. Oh, who's the best. MF. I was in house. I'm like, yeah, do you see this guy ran 20 MF? Yep.

Top oomph. I realize why the MPS thing bothers me, specifically that one. It's because my high school friends loved how I met your brother. And they loved Neil Patrick Harris. And they just call them NPA. NPH. And that's what I thought,

Sullick said. And it went deep into my brain was like, NPA. Is that a person? I was like, oh, no. So it took me a half second. That's why. That's fair.

Hey, by the way, I sent this to you guys, but have you heard this? I want to play it for you really quickly. This is Emma Stone interviewing Bradley Cooper about the movie Maestro. Can I ask you a little bit about Maestro? Wow. I love the way you pronounce that. What? Pronastro.

Myastro. Yeah. You're a film Myastro. Sure. She goes, myastro, and he goes, sure. But now, this is really important. Sure. This is really important.

Because Hyphid said myestro, right? He said, ma, and then yes, like, because of the E. She says my astro. She said my aster. And Bradley Cooper goes, my astro. Like, very clearly emphasizing the first two syllables being my ass. He goes, I love it the way you said that. Emma took it a step further beyond where Hyphids took it.

We also recognized that Bradley Cooper was like this, he thought this would be like the pinnacle of his entire life. And then he spent like years work on his masterpiece. piece and he's like, this is literally going to be like the pinnacle of my existence that makes me like the most famous dude in the world. And then she's just sitting there this interview and she's like, so yeah, my astro. Yeah. Tough look for you. Do we decide that maestro is, it's like an anglazation, anglicized, whatever.

I don't think I'm the authority. Or is it Italian or Spanish? How do they, someone else put Portuguese. One of the Latin languages, I don't know, one of the romance languages. There's a lot of common roots. Anyway. So anyway, also, I shouldn't say this, but I've just. going to say you should literally every time

you want to win an argument with me, which is, I don't know, four times a day. You should just be like, what did he say at the end there? Sure. Sure. Sure. D.K., don't say MPSA. Sure. Sure. All right, we're getting out here. Thank you, Salk. Thank you, D.K., thank you. Oh, dude, thank you, Emma Stone

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Thank you so much. And again, thank you everyone listening, but really extra special. Thank you to everyone who goes to the website and scrolls and clicks. Thank you, Lorne. Lorne. Thank you, Jason Derulo.

Jason DeRulo. Oh, man. Why DeRillo? What came to mind? Well, I was thinking of how we were talking about the people that sing their, name in songs.

They name check themselves. And he just did it. Were you on that? This was a pod from like a weeker. Yeah. Okay. This is just, it's big middle school dance vibes for me.

Anytime anybody mentions Rihanna or Jason Derulo, I go back to like, Jason DeRullo. We got good like, because people said though, we missed a lot of rappers. It was like, you know, Lil Wayne, obviously Jay Z says his name.

Lou Wayne says like every song. But the person was like the definitive rapper for saying his name is Mike Jones. Oh yeah. It's like the most famous Mike Jones. He's his name. Right. Damn. We did miss that one.

Yeah. If your names, famous lyric, then like, that's like, that's a brand. That's like a brand. Right. But, great call. We're trying to, we're trying to figure out non-wrappers to do that. Not DJ.

DJs don't even count. And someone sent one in. I don't remember, but dude, Jason Drillo. He does it quite frequently. Yeah. What you say? I'm trying to remember what Jason Drullos. I'm going to know how I remember.

I remember, like, I remember, we were trying to get him for homecoming. We just didn't have close to close enough money. And I was like, so long. So whack You look like a kid Who was supposed to have a cookie You look so happy right now

Yeah I remember in a song So how did they go? Jason DeWrava It was a formative moment In its life, I believe Yeah He's remembering right now

Yeah The thing for me That was Like I said And Rihanna Disturbia Whenever I think of Middle School dances I think of Rihanna

Oh yeah You know Was your wife Was your wife at The middle school dance? No Oh She went to a different school

Man Oh good Sure But she actually They did. She actually did. It's real. That's hilarious.

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