The Ringer NFL Show - ‘Shark Tank’ Prop Bets - Week 10

Episode Date: November 12, 2021

We discuss the Rams signing Odell Beckham Jr. before pitching one another on our favorite prop bets for the weekend’s games in the style of ‘Shark Tank.’ Later, we offer up our favorite long-shot bets, including our new moonshot bet of the week.  Finally, we introduce our new FanDuel daily fantasy contest! Sign up to play against us HERE! Odell Beckham Jr. (1:10) Prop Bets (9:09) Long-Shot Bets (49:31) NEW Listener League (60:05) Don’t forget to sign up and compete against us in the Bad QB League on FanDuel here.  Email us at [e-mail]. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Craig Horlbeck Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It is Friday. We're recording this on Thursday. But for you, it is Friday. We are going to go through all our prop bets. We're going to do Shark Tank. We're going to introduce. We've got a ringer listener league. You can do with daily fantasy, play with us, unfandle the rest of the season.

We'll tell you about that a little bit. But first, Odell Beckham, going to the Rams. Yeah. They just came in at the last second, man. Can't stop, won't stop. Didn't even cost them a draft pick. They tried. They were like, what if we give you the minimum end of fourth round?

He's like, I can't use this. I'm not a team. Freaking Rams, man. Also, this is very, this is always, continues to strengthen my tweet from a, I don't know when it was like last year or something. It was basically like all great NFL players end up in the NFC West and inevitably. What the hell is the deal with that? I'm kind of sick of it.

Get these players out of the NFC West. It strengthens my tweet. Just say like I pointed this out. It strengthens. It allows me to continue retweeting my own tweet, which I do because it's fun. And go suck it, High Fitz. I'm going to continue to do that.

No, you're right, though, because I think you said this to me longer than a year ago where you're like every good player ends up in the NsuS. I was like, what are you talking about? And can you just take off the list real quick? Because once you say it out loud, it's... Oh, I mean, like, going back, like Edron James, Jerry Rice, like some of the all-time grades. And then just more recently, like JJ Watt, just a bunch of others.

Like Adrian Peterson, I think was on the Cardinals for a benefit. Von Miller. Von Miller, John John Hopkins. Jalen Ramsey. It's like the fucking list goes on. Jamal Adams before he was bad. Josh Gordon ended up there. Yeah, you know what?

A lot of good. I'm sick of it. It's true. Sick of it. Oh my God. No, but actually this is pretty fun. I love this because the Rams are, you know, this move in particular is like a pretty no risk move.

That's why I was always advocating for any team that was going for this. I thought, yeah, hell, go for it. This is great. It's no risk. It's like basically just pay the guy for the rest of the year. That's it. No, not even that. Because the Browns are going to pay him the rest of the rest of it.

of the year. Oh yeah, that's true. The Brown's going to pay him seven million bucks. That's why he's probably assumed signing for the veteran minimum because it's one of those the Browns will cover the salary up to seven million bucks. No one's going to pay him seven million. So it's all on the Browns. It's hilarious. For Beckham, he gets to chase a, gets to chase a ring. Obviously, the

Rams are one of the, I would say the favorites in the NFC right now. One of them anyway. And then what were you going to say? Well, he's probably looking for an apartment, Craig. Do you want to, should you, do you have an extra room? Me and Odell? Yeah. I would do it. I assume you need the spot to crash.

It's like two months notice. You can show them around the city. Maybe he doesn't know LA that well. We could start a podcast together. There you go. Actually, we're talking about finding housing on like, you know,

for three months on like a couple of days notice. What if you call it flying first class, Craig? Oh, that's pretty good. No, it's actually flying private, TK. He's not getting a... Flying private is a business class. Yeah, no, he's...

I like flying private with Odell. That's good. Flying private. Ironically, actually, now this is more relevant that I realized because did you see a Von Miller was FaceTiming O'Dell? Yeah.

And to convince them, they, Von Miller had like a weird YouTube show a few years ago and had O'Dell on. And he asked O'Dell how often he does his own laundry. And O'Dell laughed and

to pause. He's like, you mean dry cleaning? I was thinking he'd say like, you wash your clothes? They just buy new clothes. Yeah. That's like Justin Bieber.

There was like that rumor a long time ago that he never wears a pair of underwear twice. I think that was Floyd Mayweather. I've heard of for Bieber. Maybe it's both. Maybe both, but yeah. I got to say,

back to Odell here, I don't know if this is a hot take or not, because if people are hot or cold on Odell, you know, he's a very polarizing player, especially in fantasy. I kind of think he's going to be really good. Not really, maybe not in fantasy, but I think in the playoffs,

like, Odell's going to be awesome. And this will significantly help the Rams. I get that. But in fantasy, I would trade him now because his value will never be higher because right now is good in theory. But in reality, remember when Josh Gordon signed up the Chiefs and then you forgot about that

until right now? because he hasn't like had a catch yet. And let's say it's that bad. Also, he has a shoulder injury. We have, this has gotten glossed over. Odell has a sprained AC joint. I believe he said earlier this year that yeah,

his shoulder just pops out all the time now. I'll be honest. I kind of forgot about that. Yeah, everyone forgot. His shoulder's not okay. They should just sit him for like two, three, four weeks. Let him get healthy.

You're going to make the playoffs. Have them get right. He's not healthy. I cannot stress this enough. I feel like everyone has forgotten. Didn't he had two shoulder injuries, one of which is worse the other. Anyway.

Okay. So cool for the Rams. way better for real life. And fantasy-wise, I actually don't. I actually would trade him if you have him to anyone who's excited about this in the league. And it sucks for Van Jefferson. He's still going to be like you could start him as a flex, right?

Yeah, I think so. I mean, the Rams run 11 personnel. Well, maybe not the first day, but like... Yeah. If he's healthy and out there after a couple weeks, like the Rams run 11 personnel pretty much more than any team in the league, which means three wide receivers are on the field. And it's normally been Woods Cup and Jefferson. And it would

make a lot of sense for Odell to slide in. right into that Van Jefferson role here. So I would say the big... Van is probably dropable. And I mean, Van was getting 17% of the targets. So if Odell gets that, I mean, Odell's supreme talent is unhealthy. This is, I think the biggest, like, parallel to this is the Buccaneers. I mean, yeah.

If you look at Mike Evans, Antonio Godwin, sorry, Antonio Brown and Chris Godwin, wow, I could almost like not remember their names. That trio, all three of them have been like hovering, right around like 17, 18% target rates this year. Obviously, they pass a lot. The Rams pass a lot. They're high scoring offense. Both teams are high scoring.

It makes things a little more complicated for fantasy because maybe this means Cup is not having quite as high of a ceiling. But I still think that OBJ has a chance to be fantasy relevant in the same way. I don't think that's the comp, though. I disagree with that because Antonio Brown came into that team midway through, but like he had already played with Brady in New England and like had stayed at Brady's house like twice at that point. Like they had been working together for like,

a lot on their own, whereas, I mean, Stafford and Odell, like, as he ever quoted pass from that stuff? Probably not. I mean, I don't know. But Stafford came in cold and lit it up at the beginning of the season with guys that he just started playing with, too. I mean, look, that's true. That's the gray area. But I'm talking about more like just target rates and volume and things like that.

We'll have to see how the chemistry works. I kind of think it's going to be way better in theory than practice. We'll see. We'll see. I just feel very dubious that this can out. live in the regular season that Odell will be better than the idea of Odell, like immediately.

So everybody sent Highfits trade request for Odell Beckham because he will give him to you for free. Doesn't this feel like, I don't know, it feels like the Ram, it's like Kong versus Godzilla, like one of those movies. So it's like the Rams and bucks are just like, the Rams are like we're going to do everything we can.

For the NFC. Yeah. The Packers are just like, no one wants to come to Wisconsin for Thanksgiving time. Anyway, okay. All right. So, Adel's going to stay Craig's place in LA. Otherwise, just Alvin Camara has a knee injury. We're touching on for a second. We don't know who's going to play. Seems unlikely. He didn't practice at all on Thursday. That's not good.

But they traded for Mark Ingram. So Mark Ingram is like, if you got him on waivers this week, like an automatic start if Alvin Gera doesn't play. And honestly, like a really, Mark Ingram's a really good flex. Even Camara does play because he does even practice Wednesday. It's probably not even going to get half the snaps on Sunday. So I think Mark Ingram

is like a really good play for this weekend. And then Nick Chub, the Browns starting running back and Demetric Felton, who's like their gadget running back as well. Also, both have COVID. They tested positive. And we will see if they play. But if not, obviously, Cream Hunt on Injard Reserve. So it's like a Derenice Johnson week once again. If Nick Chen can play. Yeah, and this is one of those things that's going to go right down to the wire. I'm guessing we'll find out whether these two guys can play on Saturday, maybe. But it's looking unlikely, I guess. Like just based on the numbers,

there's a few guys that have been able to get back in under a week after having two negative tests or whatever after testing positive. But I think generally it's more common for a player to miss like a week or so. So keep that in mind, Dernus Johnson. Let's see here. Cleveland is playing at New England. That's going to be a good game. But yeah, that's something to keep in mind too. Should we get to the prop bets? Let's do it. Shark tank time, maybe, D.K. Hit us. All right. Sharks. Yeah. I'm looking for an investment. $5 on Austin Echler going over 101.5 rushing and receiving yards combined. So not just rushing, not just receiving, both versus the Vikings this weekend. So Echler has gone over this number. He's in a little bit of a slump the last couple of weeks

as the chargers have sort of struggled on offense overall. But he has hit this over, this number, 101.5 in five of seven games this year. He's playing career highs and snaps. He's running the ball way more than he ever has in the past. He's like their lead back now. It's not just a committee type thing on the ground. And crucially, like, Chargers backups are not good. Like, whenever these guys come in and run, I'm always just like, oh, my God.

Like, it must be so painful for the coaches to be like, look, we got to protect Echler. We got to make sure we're not putting too much on his shoulders, but then also Larry Roundtree or, you know, Josh Kelly come in and it's just like, these guys are not very good. So I think they're going to utilize those, Echler a lot in this game, both in the air and on the ground.

And crucially, the chargers have the second best offensive line versus defensive line mismatch this week per pro football focus. The Vikings have given up the seventh most rushing yards to opponents. They've surrendered 100 plus yards on the ground in seven of eight games this year. Echler, obviously, I don't really have to tell you how explosive and talented he is. He's ninth among all running backs in yards after contact per attempt. And he's also fourth in total yards after the catch. So he's like good in both areas.

All that together. Oh, plus, by the way, the Vikings are pretty big. up on defense. Daniel Hunter is on IR. Michael Pierce. Interior alignment is still not practicing with the elbow injury. So I think it all kind of adds up

to Echler having a good day. Well, Harrison Smith has COVID, too, the starting safety. Is he not off that yet either? I don't, unless it came off just before this podcast, then it was Thursday, so maybe it comes off for the game.

So that could be another variable. I think all just things point to them really relying on Echler this weekend and him having a lot of success against the Vikings' defense. Thoughts? Honestly, I'm getting stripped up on the 101. It's just a big number.

There's zero. Like if it were 99, it'd be like, oh, yeah, no, that's easy. But it's 1001. I'm like, over 1001. He has, for what it's worth, it does sound like a lot, but when you add in receiving and rushing, he's, I'm going to pull off his stats, but he's gone over this like five of eight times.

Like by a significant amount, too, most of the time. Five of eight, well, I just heard five of eight, that I heard significant amount and like, you got to pick one. Well, significant is a difference. No, I'm saying when he goes over, he goes over by a lot. Oh, okay, okay. So, like, for instance,

uh, it's just like, it's easy, it's easy to get hung up on that. But that's like, you know, I mean, I'm not telling you anything,

but that's 51 rushing yards and 51 receiving yards. That's really not that, like, huge of a game when you really, like, look at it. Um, I know that that's like very simple math,

but like when you separate it that way, if you go back the last few games, he had 59 rushing yards and 23, he went under last week. Um, but like the week before that, 64 rushing yards, 60 receiving yards. In week five, he had 66 rushing yards, 53 receiving yards.

It's not that hard to go over 101 with the way that they're using him and how much they're utilizing him. I think what's hard is, it's weird to look at a bet about one of the best players in football to put up kind of what he normally does. Like, I don't really know how to feel about it. Like, this is a game with a really high total. Austin Echler is clearly awesome. He's like the number two running back in fantasy.

And I see 100 yards. I'm like, yeah, I don't know, probably. I mean, it'd be weird to come at this from like an argument of like, I hate this. No. Just for a reference, since week one, so week two on, because week one, he didn't get any targets. Everyone was really worried. They're not going to use them in the passing game. Since then, it's very much changed.

So in each week, he's averaged 12 rushing attempts and six and a half targets per game. So he's getting 18 touches a game. I want to say that DK, you are probably. going to win this bet. Austin Echler will probably have more than 101 yards in this game. Okay. And I hear your statistics.

Uh-oh. But I felt nothing. I mean, that's important. It was stirred. And for that reason, I am out. My gut was stirred. My gut was not stirred. All right.

That's fair. I respect that. I think Craig is on the same boat, man. What? I don't want to be viewed as somebody who just kind of follows trends and whatever my co-host says here. I just do what he says.

However, I will agree that the second I saw this bet, when I saw 101.5, I went, that's a little high. Have we ever, have we done any rushing plus receiving yard props this year? We haven't done many of them. I think they've all lost. No, I mean, I can't remember which one they did. It was week 10. I don't think we've done many. DK., unfortunately, for reasons I can't even really explain.

I'm out. I think it's entirely because it's a three-digit number. So I'm being left on red here. You're being left at red. Neither of us are interested in his bed. I will follow up, though, with a bet from the same game. Sharks. All right.

I come to you with a can't fail proposition, which is a want to bet against Kirk Cousins. It's always enticing. I like where this is started. Do I need to say more? What's like the Shark Tank version of like a Kirk Cousin's bed? It's like, somebody walking in and just being like, I have an app. And everyone's like, all right, I'm in. I want a shit.

I want a short doge coin. Okay. Kirk Cousins under 274 passing yards. And it's like even odds. Okay. So 274 passing yards. Chargers, the Vikings are playing the Chargers, as D.K had just discussed, this over under that Kirk Cousin says, Chargers' opponents have hit this number one time all season.

Yeah. It's because they just beg you to run, right? So they beg you to run. So here's the thing. There's a reason that this overunder is so high, even though Chargers opponents have like never hit this number. It's because the Chargers are kind of banged up. They have Michael Davis, one of their cornerbacks that's a hamstring injury. The guy who replaced Michael Davis,

then like immediately towards ACL. So they're banged up. I give you that. However, again, seven of the other eight games the Chargers have played, they haven't hit this number. That's number one.

Who is the eighth? I can look it up right. Look that up while you. Look that up by your time. I will tell you the only team that passed for more than 274 against the Chargers is the Baker and the Browns.

I mean, that was the game. It was 47-42. One of the best games in the whole season. team scored 60 points or something. That was an incredible game. And even in that, did Jarvis throw a pass? I wonder if Baker even hit that.

Anyway, point being, there's also a non-mathematical reason here. I'm not just going to sit here and be like, oh, the Chargers that... The head coach of the Vikings is Mike Zimmer. I actually don't think there is one head coach in the entire league who's more old school about the run than Mike Zimmer. This has been a theme for like five years now, that Mike Zimmer just wants the Vikings to run. So when he's been a little less heavy-handed in the game planning recently,

but when the Vikings play the worst run defense in the entire NFL, I am just very confident that Mike Zimmer's goal this week is to run it down the Chargers' throats. And I don't think winner lose, if he sees Kirk Cousins has 300 passing yards, he's like, that's the game we wanted to play. Mike Zimmer wants 180 yards from Kirk Cousins this week and a huge rushing game. Like that's how you beat. That's how he wants to beat the Chargers.

control this game, control the ball, control the clock. So Kirkhusen, 274, it's rare you can point to a number and be like, that's not what the head coach wants to do. And I feel pretty certain about it. This is a good one. I'm looking at the chargers, the number of yards they've given up in each game, 176, 142, 187, 2030 to the Browns. They've only, they've given up fewer than 100 yards rushing just one time this year.

So I think I do. agree with the logic of this. It also helps that Kirk Cousins hasn't gone over 200 yards in the last two games passing. For whatever reason, they've just been struggling. I'm struggling with this one, though. I think I'm having the same thing that you had.

The argument against it is basically that the Chargers secondary is banged up. I get that. What I'm saying is that the number that has been set kind of accounts for that and more than it should. Right. I see what you're saying. I'll go in with you on this one. I don't have a strong feeling about this.

I do think that overall their offense has been like a little bit off lately. And I think that your logic here is sound that the chargers are going to want you to run. They're going to want the Vikings to run the ball and the Vikings are going to say, sure. Okay, we'll do it. So for that reason, I'm in. Thank you, D.K. Now I turn toward investor Holbeck and I already, I can tell just by his silence. That what?

That you're reticent. I perhaps am a touch. reticent Mr. Highfits. Thank you for your pitch. It was nice. However, my next bet

kind of influences how I feel about this one. So I'm just going to tell you right now, I am out. And I will then move on to my first bet.

This is weird. Here's why. This is like if Mark Cuban was like, I was like, I hear your pizza app delivery idea, but let me just give you

mine right now. So, Sharks, what I want to ask you for is a simple $5 investment for Justin Jefferson to reach over 76 and a half receiving yards this week. Another Chargers Vikings bet. He's eclipsed this four, he had eclips this four straight times

until these back-to-back slow games that the Vikings have had. We've mentioned the Chargers' injuries to Michael Davis, Asante Samuel is a concussion, the backup guy towards ACL. This week, the offensive coordinator for the Vikings, Clint Kubiak,

has openly spoken about how he wants to get Jefferson the ball more, that he feels like he doesn't have enough targets when the game ends, and that's not how you win games. Justin Jefferson getting a lot of yards helps you win games. I like the squeaky wheel approach a lot. I'm a fan of that. This is the second highest game total of the week, 53.

It's one point below the highest total of the week, which is the Cowboys game, I believe. 76 and a half is not a lot for what I feel is one of the best route running wide receivers in the league. In a dome, in L.A., 53 point game total with beat-up corners. I see this being a 35, 32 game, and I see Justin Jefferson probably having 76 yards at halftime. Craig, I like this one a lot. You know why?

Because I almost put the Justin Jefferson over five and a half receptions for basically all the reasons that you just said. I think that's another solid one. It was just a little too frothy. Too much pulp, I should say. 155.

It was minus 155, so I was like, you guys are going to make fun of me for that. So I didn't do it. But I think overall, I like your rationale here. I almost took the Jefferson under and then actually looking into Justin Jefferson

I actually took it off because I actually think that Justin Jefferson can go over but I still believe in the Kirk Cousins under because I feel like you can still get you can still hit the cousins over it's exactly how I feel under I should say yeah here's the thing my my thing is like I actually saw the Kubiak quote

about get him the ball more because here's like Justin Jefferson has five targets the last two weeks that's ridiculous like total five targets in two games for what would be the number one receiver on 22 NFL teams. Like that's kind of wild. And also like if you look at those in the middle of the season like there was there was a game where Cousins had 203 yards and in that same game, Justin Jefferson had 84 of those.

So like he was like, I think Jefferson, I'm, I think that this bet can win. Ooh, this is like a middle for you if you were in this. You're going to middle it. It's like I honestly, I'm going to be out because I feel like I'd be talking out of both sides of my mouth. if I'm like, oh, it'll middle. No, I just feel, and again, this game has a high over under. I could be wrong.

This could be a huge game for Kirk Cousins, and they could pass a lot just that Jefferson could break 100 yards and crack a win by a mile. I just kind of look at this like, if the, like, I am fairly certain that the Vikings' ideal game plan is to get like 250 rushing yards in this game. And they really are going to try. And that's why I'm just like, you know what, I'm just going to take the under and Kirk Cousins. I'm out on Justin Jefferson over the over. But I can also see it happening because they're going to.

might make an intent to just get him the ball more. I kind of thought about the Browns game. And I was like, what do the Browns do while they run the ball? And in that Chargers game, I mean, Baker had a huge passing day. Like, sometimes when the game total is so high, like when you put up so many points, you can kind of just have both. Like, you can't, you know what I mean? Like, if you're intent on just running the ball, it can't last the entire game.

Like, you can't not throw it in a shootout. That's totally fair. I think I'm going to go in the middle. I like this one, though. It's not that many yards. It's hedging a little bit. it feels like I'm hedging a little bit, but I also think they could be,

I think both could hit, honestly, because they focus so much their passing game on Jefferson and on Thielen. And so he could still hit this over and they could hit the under with Kurt Covens, Kurt Cousins over,

or sorry, under 274 yards. So I think, I mean, even though it sounds like I'm hedging, I feel like I'm still, I still got a chance to get both here. So I'm going to go in with you on this one

because I do think the squeaky wheel narrative is important, but more so, it's more than squeaky wheel. It's just like, this makes fucking sense to target Justin Jefferson. he's your best player.

Now, for everyone listening, now that we have basically all decided, well, the Kirk Cousins under could hit and the Justin Jefferson over could hit and the weak middle, there's an obvious thing to bet, which is you should bet the over for Kirk Cousins and the under for Justin Jefferson

because we're thinking both these bets will be right. Obviously, they will both be wrong. You know what? Honestly, though, I mean, maybe you're right, but thinking of that opposite bet, Kirk over to 76 and Justin Jefferson under 76, that sounds so unlikely. It is, but that sounds so unlikely in my head that I'm like, oh, we made a good bet, which then perhaps means it's a terrible bet.

That's, yeah, the confidence is really, it's kind of like how you draft your fantasy team. You're like, wow, this is going to win in August 28th. Can't you kind of see this game turning into like the Browns Chargers game, though? Yeah. Like, I know that you already said that, but like that, it does kind of feel like this. Every single Vikings game is in the 30s and close in the fourth quarter. Yeah, but like I'm so much more confident in the Browns than the Vikings. The Vikings, I'm not.

I kind of like the. I guess I kind of like the Vikings. Kurt's weird. Kirk is such a boring guy and he's such an average quarterback that you think that he's like average like a five out of ten. But in reality he's average on average. But like he's really just an eight or a two and like never in between. Yeah.

Like he's just such a streaky player that comes across as vanilla. Kirk has 16 touchdowns and two picks this year. I know. I was going to say like if I had to, if you had to choose like gun to your head, are you taking, are you taking Mayfield or? cousins at your corner. Oh, I'm taking Kirk. They're similar in my mind. But the last two weeks, man, Kirk Cousins has been checking down

on like third-ish goal, like third-down. Like, he has been so reticent. I don't want to use the one-twice, but like, he's just, it's just so timid, honestly. Like, they're just, I don't know. Anyway, we can move on a different game. Okay, so. So just for the record, I'm just looking at the DVOA rankings for these teams.

Cleveland is far above Minnesota in terms of overall offense, but passing offense. Minnesota has the sixth ranked passing offense in DVA this year. Cleveland has the 11th. But obviously, Cleveland is a dominant run game. So I don't know. I think they're both good offenses at the bottom line.

All right. Sharks. I got a couple here for the Steelers game that I want to hit you with. And Craig, since you're a Steelers fan, maybe you'll have some good insights here. All right, I want a $5 investment on DeAndre Swift going over 39 and a half receiving yards against the Steelers this week. 39 and a half receiving yards.

This guy is getting like 10 targets a game in the receiving game. Maybe not really, but it feels like it. He has hit the over on this number, six out of eight games this year. Jamal Williams out on Wednesday and Thursday with a quad entry. So even if he does play, it seems likely that he's a little more limited role.

And so Swift could get more snaps than normal, which leads to more opportunities in the passing game. Pittsburgh has a major advantage in their defensive line versus the lion's offensive line according to PFF, which means, in my mind, Detroit's not going to have a lot of time to drop back and pass. and do some of the deep stuff that they want to do. It's going to be a lot of dump-offs,

a lot of short and intermediate area stuff. I think that they're going to be in a trailing script most likely for this game. And that means more passing, less running. So all those things together, I think Swift is, he's been one of their most dynamic weapons in the past game. And so I think there's a good chance that he gets the over on this one.

I think he's going to get targeted, you know, six to eight times here at least. And then, you know, just what he's been able to do in the open field. I think he can make this happen. So that's my first. first one. Let me know what you think about that one first before I go on to the next one. I want to hear both.

Okay, so in the same, pretty much the exact same vein, like game script, style, the offensive line versus the defensive line, you know, disadvantage for the lions, all that stuff. I think this is also potentially be a very good game for T.J. Hawkinson. So his over under right now is four and a half going up against the Steelers. He's easily gone over this last three games. He had 10 catches, six catches, and eight catches in the last three games. He is the undisputed number one. one pass option in this offense, unless you count Andre Swift as that. And then the Steelers against tight ends this year, they've been average to middling in terms

of the amount of fantasy points that they're giving up, catches, yards, all that stuff. And crucially, like, I think people kind of got off Hawkinson halfway through the year because he had a knee injury and he was like fighting through it. He wasn't very effective. He seems to be off. He seems to be past that knee injury. Now he's off the injury report. Looks healthy.

And again, going back to the trailing script, I think these are going to be the two guys with Swift and Hawkinson that get a lot of. a good work in this game against the Steelers team that is likely to be leading for the majority of the game. I think it's going to be a close enough game too that it's going to be both teams passing quite a bit in the second half as they try and maybe go back and forth. I think this could be actually a closer game than you think. But I do think generally the Lions are going to be in a pass or a heavy script during this game. So I'm having trouble jobbing those two things closer than we think, but it's a pass heavy script. What do you mean by that? Well, I think,

think the reality is they're likely to be trailing in this game. The Steelers are a better team. But I think the Lions are good enough to be in the game. And if you're in the game, if the leads changing in the second half or whatever, there's still teams that are going to be passing and things like that to try and move the ball down field. In other words, they're not going to be like protecting a lead in the second half. So that's at least not how I see it. And also with the offensive line, defensive line disadvantage. I don't see them. running a ton. They don't have Jamal Williams. Don'tier Swift has not been very effective as a runner.

All that adds up to a lot of passing for the lions. Against the Steelers' defense that is a really good pass rush, and it's going to stuff the run, I think. Yeah, I mean, I think this spreads like eight and a half points or something right now. I kind of like Detroit, to be honest. The Steelers have a tendency to play up and then down to their opponent. Yeah. They make every game close, kind of regardless of who they're playing.

I like the Swift one probably more than the Hawkinson one. Swift just feels a little bit more matchup-proof. All of these receiving running backs just feel a little bit more match-up-proof. The Steelers are really good against fantasy running backs, but I think that is a bit more centered on in the running game than it is in the passing game. So 39 and a half, after, you know,

he's hit it six out of eight times this year. They probably will be down at some point in this game. They're down like the most out of any team in the league. So I'm in. I'm in on DeAndre Swift over 39 and a half receptions. Nice. T.J. Hawkins. to get five catches.

I mean, again, it's another one that, like, feels probably about right. That line's about right. But my worry is that, you know, the feelers. Yeah. This is kind of one of those games like Jared Goff is terrible under pressure.

And if they kind of, you know, bump T.J. Hawkinson on the line, like he won't have time to get open when Jared Goff needs to throw the ball. So I think I'll sit the T.J. Hawkinson line out. And I will buy in on the Deontre Swift line. That's so funny.

I was thinking about doing the exact opposite. I don't like the Teandre Swift line. I'm more interested in the Hawkinson one because the Swift one, 40 yards is a lot of yards, man. And also like, if we're sitting here being like, well, their best receivers, DeAndre Swift, I just feel like the Steelers aren't going to just be like, oh, they keep dumping it down to Swift

for a lot of yards. Like, I imagine that's like a focus for the Steelers this week, because they're probably not afraid of their lines receiving core, like at all. It's like Odell went to Detroit. So I I'm just hesitant. I just feel like the Steelers D. I mean, first of all, just to, I don't want to poke a hole here,

but like, if the idea is that Lions will be playing for behind, so Swift's going to get a lot of passes. The last game the Lions played, they were down, they lost 44 to 60 the Eagles. Like, that's theory, and Jamal Williams was out for that game, I think. I don't think he even played. And DeAndre Swift had

24 receiving yards in that game. Yeah. And like, you know, that's kind of like the perfect script for him to get a lot of garbage. I just don't think that. But every game has been the perfect script for him to get a lot of garbage in. He has. He's done it in six of eight games. That's fair. I really don't have,

I don't know what to, like, I don't know how to, like, I don't know how to. It's just a lot for a running back to depend on, and I'm just afraid of that. I don't know. He's their number one receiver. So what, what is it again?

It's 39. What I'm interested in is how the Bears, if you watch the Bears winning football game, Jimmy Graham and Cole Komet kind of carved up the Steelers D in the second half. And I don't know if that's quite like they were kind of playing off in the second half, but like, the Steelers,

the Bears tied-ins had a lot more success than I thought they would. I would, if I had to pick one of these, I would go Hawkinson. I would be in on Hawkinson, but I'm out on DeAndre Swift over 40 yards. Okay. I like it. That's fine. I actually kind of like when I was putting these together, I thought the Hawkinson was a little more risky. I feel like the Swift one is sort of like game script proof. Like my, my vision is it's going to be, they'll be in a trailing script, but the game is close enough where it's not like a complete blood and they end up just like using somebody else or whatever. I feel like he's still, even if they're winning or if they're losing,

they're still going to use him in the passing game. Like, he's one of their best players. I think the odds that implied here, like the juice being higher in Hawkinson would say that they think it's less risky than the swift one. I just basically, at the end of the day, I just don't want to take a bunch of Detroit overs against Pittsburgh. That's really it. I mean, that's fair.

Although to Craig's point, I get what you're saying, you know, take the points. But I also think if you think it'll be closer than you think, I would just take the actual points in the game. then. Yeah, I don't mind Detroit plus eight and a half. Don't ruin my later long shot bet. That's all I'm going to say. While we're talking about just like game script games, I got a

game script for you. I want to bet under Cordill Patterson under 10.5 carries. Sharks. Sharks. Yo. I just, Cordill Patterson has gone double digit carries twice this season. And yet the line here is 10 and a half. Teams run as we were just talking about. Teams run generally when they're winning and they're controlling the ball. And it's like, I don't think the Falcons are going to

beat the Cowboys or control the ball at all. I think the Cowboys are kind of going to stop the Falcons. I really do. And like, even the games where the Falcons in theory should have given the Cordillopatterson the ball, he doesn't get like that many carries. And then on top of it, I just think Dallas is going to control this whole game. I know that's weird to say because Dallas was blown out last week. But that's because the Broncos really rushed the passer and they got to deck. The Falcons aren't going to get to DAC. The Falcons are last in the league in sacks. They have no pass rush. And so, like, if you look at the O-line versus D-line rankings this week, or just like the matchups, the Cowboys probably have one of the best ones for pass protection,

even without Tyrone Smith. And they also have one of the best ones with run blocking. Like, this is just a huge mismatch. So I don't think that's, that's not going to get pressure. He's going to have plenty of time. I think it's a big week for him and for C.D. Lamb. And then I also think it's Zeke Elliott time and halftime. I just feel like the Cowboys are going to control this game. Now, there's no cowboy props up, which is what I wanted to give you. But that's why it caught my eye with Cordill Patterson, because I don't really see how if the Cowboys get to an early lead, I don't really see Coraletteau Patterson getting to like 11 or 12 carries. I kind of like this one.

I think they're going to use them more as like a pass catcher. You know, they kind of have to. Like they don't have as much talent in the receiver quarter of more. Calvin Ridley is out for at least another game or two, right? Two games more, I think, at the very minimum. And he's like one of their most dynamic threats. I think that Mike Davis is going to continue to get

his opportunities in the backfield. But yeah, like you said, they're probably not going to be able to run it that much in this game. So I liked that one a lot. When the Falcons were up 24 to 6 in the fourth quarter, Corterill Patterson still didn't get 10 carries.

He had nine. He had nine carries. And that's in a game where they should have, you know what I mean? Like, that's the kind of game script where you run a lot. I know the Saints for a defense, it's better than the Cowboys.

But still. Yeah. I'm in on this one. For all the reasons that you mentioned, like basically like the game script, the fact that they're utilizing him half the time, I think it's like 40% of the time he's running routes. He's not even in the backfield. You know, the matchup here, offensive line,

the defense's line. For all those reasons, I'm in. I like this one. Yeah, I'm going to go in too. I like it a lot. Yeah, I mean, look, at the end of the day, it's like the Falcons are nine point underdogs. Like, you know, betting against the carry total

for a nine point underdogs. pretty solid, I think. Yeah, I just think this game's going to be very past-giveness. I don't think they're going to be running the ball a lot. Yeah, yeah. I could get a hand for him. All righty, wow, look at us.

Little group chat. All right, Craig, hit us. All right, I'm going to stick in that game, folks, and I'm going to talk about, sorry, I said folks. I meant sharks, shark folks. Shark folks are friends? You ever seen the movie Shark Tale?

Decent movie. Car wash? I have not. I have not. The car wash, yeah. Wasn't it like the sharks had like a mafia vibe going on? Like a, like a... Yeah, I think like...

Like the car wash was like a front for their business for what they were actually doing. Oh, like Breaking Baddh Style. It was like... It was like, uh, Bada Bing. Yeah. Isn't that crazy though that they, like, in real life, though, like there were a fish that like wash the teeth of other fish

and they don't eat them and they have like an economy? Isn't that kind of nuts? You ever think about that? I don't. I've never thought of it. That's crazy. Just like, they pull up to a car wash and they just hear, we're just like eat the bacteria off your scales.

And they're like, cool, I won't eat you. And like, they know? symbiotic symbiotic whatever I thought that I would find some enthusiasm this topic it's don't worry about

okay sharks shark tails I'm coming at you for a Mike Davis bet hyvitz is going to have to be in on this one just to stick to his core principles I'm going Mike Davis

under 52 and a half total yards total yards I love this bet I'm rushing I heard Mike Davis I heard under and for that reason

I'm in let me let me list you Mike total Mike total. Mike Davis's total yards each of the last five weeks. 18, 66, 10, 61, 16. It's either right there or not even fucking close. And I don't think this game's going to be pretty fucking close in terms of the score. So, first of all, Dallas is just really good against the run.

They're great against the run. That's why we like Cordyrell over in passing yards. I think this game has a massive total. There's going to be a lot of passing. Matt Ryan's been playing really well. And Mike Davis is playing worse and worse as the season goes on. His targets and touches have dipped as the season has. has gone on. So even if Mike Davis gets 10 carries, I mean, I don't predict that's going to go for

55 yards. I don't see Mike Davis averaging five or six yards of carry. And he predominantly gets all of his yardage on the ground, which is something I don't foresee in this game. Yeah. I think this is like the perfect compliment to the Corr-Role Patterson one, and I like it a lot. I think all the same arguments apply. The game script likely is going to be Dallas leading and they're going to have to come back. We could see some, like a fourth quarter of fury by, a flurry, I should say, by the, by the Falcons as they kind of like tried a pass a bunch, but that doesn't mean, that doesn't mean Mike Davis is getting involved.

I don't even know if it's, I mean, look, Hyvitz talked about it in the game last week. Atlanta was up 20, what was it, 28 to 6? 24 to 6. 24 to 6. Mike Davis had nine carries for 13 yards. To be clear, the Saints Run Dees really good. Sure, but like take Miami. The Falcons beat Miami 30 to 28.

Mike Davis had four carries for 10 yards in that game. So there's not really a correlation between the Falcons are winning and Mike Davis gets a ton of yards, you know? I've noticed, yeah. I like this one. I mean, maybe it's just because we went so hard on Mike Davis in the last few weeks in terms of like high fits missing on that one or whatever. But let's keep that energy going and bet against him again.

Here, I'm in. Well, the big thing is that his receiving yardage has just gone down. Like the first three weeks of the season, he was seeing like four or five catches a game. And then Cordarell, you know, came on and everyone was like, oh my God, this guy's better than Mike Davis in the passing game. And now Mike Davis is not really getting a lot of work. And I think that's why his yardage totals are dropping so much.

Because he just doesn't catch passes anymore. I like it. Here, wait. So if we same game parlay this, I don't know how same game parley works with it. Because usually it's hard to combine like the same position sometimes. But I don't know what Patterson's position is technically. So Patterson, if we wanted a same game parlay, we could do Nope, we can't

Never mind. Oh, well. Dream is dead. Next step. Or, DK., you did both here. All right, my turn. Sharks. Yes.

I want to take a head coach at their word, which is a terrible opening now that I think about it. But I want to do Ryan Tannahill under 33 and a half pass attempts. Interesting. Okay.

So shout out Adam Levittan, establish the run, who's been crushing it. I have noticed I've seen him move lines, which is incredible. this was even odds when I first saw it. It is now like minus 140. So I know Craig's going to be upset with me.

That's juicy. No, that's not bad. That's not pulpy enough for me. That's okay. So basically it's like Tannel hasn't gone over 33 past attempts in like six weeks. Like it just hasn't happened. And then the Saints D that the Titans are playing is fantastic. Maybe like maybe there's an argument here that the Saints run D is so good.

the Titans are going to have to throw. But like, when Derek Henry got hurt, Mike Variable literally said the press conference, we're not going to just start throwing the ball 40 times a game. That's like the last thing I want to do. He said that at the press conference. I think this whole Saints Titans game said about ball control and field position.

It's going to be ugly. We'll see if Cameras even in this game, but this is an ugly ball control field position game. I don't see Ryan Tan Hill being, this being the game where they start unleashing him for like 34 plus attempts. That's just not the kind of game. I think the Titans want to play here.

I'm of two minds with this one. My initial instinct was to point to two different things. Number one, Derek Henry was on the team five of the last six weeks that you mentioned that he hit the under on here. The one time he wasn't on the team or wasn't playing, the Rams gave the Titans two very, very, well, he gave him one short, going to mention that. They spotted him two touchdowns. So that makes the difference in my mind.

However, that being said, I don't think the Saints can score. So it's like the Titans defense has been scary good lately. I don't know if this is necessarily something that you can expect them to continue doing. But their defensive line has been dominating games. They can rush with four. They can drop back with the rest of their guys and do pretty well in the back. And even though they have a lot of injuries in their secondary, you know, I don't know what Simeon's going to do. if Taysam Hill is the starter,

I don't know what their offense is going to do. I don't think the Titans are going to have to throw it as much as they would against a really good offense. You know what I mean? So, like, on one hand, my gut is like, well, the reason they didn't throw much last week against Rams is because they got spotted 14 points and one of their drives was like one play.

That scared me as I was going through this. That is definitely like the scary part. But it's also seven more passes than that. Yeah. But I'm going to go with you on this one. I think for the reason, fact that I don't think that the Saints are going to be able to put up a bunch of points in and really like make this turn this into a shootout type game. For that reason, I'm going in on

this one with you. So I actually originally was looking at the Ryan Tanhill over and past attempts and I ended up kind of staying away. But that kind of also makes me worried about betting the under. I kind of think I'm just going to maybe treat this as a stay away, kind of because it's almost like what you said at the start. Like I'm going to trust a coach on his word. I don't think that the Titans should run the ball a lot. I think they should be throwing more. especially against the Saints D, where they're not going to be able to run. Yeah.

So. Yeah. That is, and I'll admit that that is my fear. And that the, the fact that they move the odds so down on this, it, what I don't like is if the Saints' offense actually does score,

as Deke said, because I do think the Saints' offensive line is a lot more physical than the previous, like, than the Rams line and like some of the other lines, the Titans have dominated. Yeah, the Rams line is very slight of build. Dainty. Dainty.

Yeah. By offensive line standards. I could probably beat every single one of them up. Life is relative. Yeah, exactly. We could stuff them in a locker or something, give them a swirly. But the Saints offensive lines a lot more physical.

And that is the, if this were to go wrong, I think it's that the Saints march down on the Titans and the Tannel does that throw. And ironically, Tannel does throw 40 times and I feel like an idiot. I just kind of don't feel comfortable betting this either way. So for that reason, I'm going to stay out.

I'm nervous about it, but I'm sticking with you. Do you want to quickly hear my backups that I had in case Craig yelled at me over the pulp changing? 140 is not bad. It was just when you were like Justin Herbert over one and a half passing touchdowns minus 2.15.

No, that was one because I had an Aaron Rogers when I had a dream about it. Oh yeah. And then I was just like I don't care what the pulp is. When you have a dream about winning a bet,

you make the bet. That's how it works. Okay. I would make every single bet that's minus 215. But yeah. My backup was Dallas got it over 44 receiving yards

for the Eagles, which I'll basically just describe as the Broncos are not a great matchup but I mean, my God, he's playing like 90 plus percent of the snaps and like he's been crushing it. I mean, it's kind of just lower than I thought. Like, I feel like the Eagles passing numbers are really deflated by who they've played

the last two weeks, Chargers and Lyons. And like, I mean, sorry, let me look it up right now. He, I mean, it's 44 for Goddard. Last few games, he has 43, 72, 70. That's the post-Zackert's weeks. And like, obviously, the 43 against the charges because they ran, you know, a bunch. So anyway, the Dowell's got it when I also like a lot. Yeah.

I would even adopt it, actually, as like a fourth bet since that's, seems to be a trend now for us. Should we adopt it? You want to adopt it? I would adopt the Dallas Goddard one. We should at least fill out the papers, see if we're eligible. Yeah. Yeah, we'll fill out the application. We'll pay the fee. We'll decide later.

Okay. Okay. All right, sharks. Last bed of the day. This is my favorite bed of the day. I'm coming at you looking for a $5 investment. For Russell Wilson, coming back from whatever weird hammer finger, what is that called? Mallet finger. Mallet finger.

Mallet finger. he's the quickest recovery in human history I'm looking to bet we have to breathe did you see the tweet today the report that like he was rehabbing 19 hours a day I couldn't tell if that was even joke or not

he had like a person that like wake him up in the middle of the night like several times like every hour or whatever to like I don't know what I thought that was a joke in a bubble water or something but honestly I think that's kind of like I kind of respect it

that's kind of where he was literally like the only thing I'm going to do is rehab my middle finger for five straight weeks. He's gonna be sleep-deprived, man. Yeah. You know, that's why I'm winning the prop-et race because I just work on it 19 hours a day.

Oh. People wake me up in the middle of the night. I just imagine like somebody massaging Russ's finger as he's sleeping at night, or it's like in some machine that gyrates it back and forth. So I'm taking the under on 35 and a half passing attempts for screen bag. I'm just thinking about the machine.

So wait, why are you taking the under specifically? I think it's because of the hand, Spoiler alert. Yeah, but I think you want to unleash that shit. Come on. Let's get back. You want to unleash the finger into the world? Okay, well, here's my first argument.

This might be the only one I need. He's never hit this total this year. Okay. Not once. He hasn't even really gotten close. 32 is the highest passing attempts he's had this year. But to add on to that, yes, he's coming back from his remarkably recovered dislocated finger.

And he's been very mentally prepared because he's been huddling with all the people who don't exist. A lot of visualization. Why is it at 35? if he's never even hit this this whole year. Well, it's a little bit of pulp, but it's minus 145. But Hyphen's talked about Mike Zimmer and his willingness to run.

Well, Pete Carroll loves to run the ball, too. He ran the ball a lot with Gino Smith. Spoiler. It kind of worked. And Green Bay is a team that lets you run, much like the Chargers. Joe Barry is a Brandon Staley disciple and kind of has adopted that same...

I know he's older, but... I know he's 25 years older than Brandon Staley, but yeah. That doesn't matter. Age is just a number of day. It matters a lot, but continue. I'm just saying they play the same. style of defense.

They were together on the Rams for like two or three years. I like the under in the game. We don't know if Aaron Rogers is going to play in this game. I think that the Seahawks are going to try to have a balanced attack as they have the entire season, the entire history of Russell Wilson, they've had a balanced attack. And now he's coming back from a five week that should be eight week injury. You're telling me they're not going to balance this offense out in a team that has light boxes in Green Bay.

This is easy money for me. Oh, okay. Yeah, I mean, I'm never going to, I would pretty much never bet on the Seox passing a lot. I think this is better than my Ryan Tane a little bit, and it's, I like this better than my round tail a little bit, and it's like the same amounts. I don't know what the argument is to like, no, he's going to pass it 40 times. I just, I don't know what the argument is. I mean, the only argument would be they fall behind early in the game, like, by two touchdowns

and they have to pass a bunch. I think even if they, like, even if they're in trailing script, though, like half the game, Seahawks offense has been pretty hit or miss in terms of third downs and moving the chains. They run really slow. They're one of the slowest offenses. They have like the fewest plays of any fucking team in the NFL this year

or one of the fewest plays of any teams or whatever. And so, yeah, this is just not a high volume passing game right now or this year at all. I think this is a really good one, Craig. When the game script is close, the Seahawks pass the 29th most in the league. I think, no, this is really good.

This doesn't make any sense. I mean, Patrick Mahomes was overrunner for past temps this week. It's like 38. And like Russell Wilson's going to have like a sling on his finger. Like, I don't know. This is really good. This is obviously going to lose because I'm more confident in this than the other ones. I heard that there's supposed to be snow and Lambo this weekend.

We should just put a lot of money on this. What is happening? Now I'm too, now we're too confident. Because it's pulpy. So we have to put a little bit of money down, but yeah. Yeah, okay. We'll discuss after. All right.

Russell Wilson under 35. That's a really good one. Okay. So, quick recap, Russ under 35, Cordill Patterson, under 10 and F carries. Tija Hawkinson over 4 enough receptions. DeAndrester's over 40 receiving yards. Kirk Cousins under 274 passing yards.

Austin Eccler over the 101. Little L.A. joke for you. Ha. O'Dell will be on the 101 soon. Justin Jefferson over 77 receiving yards. We're going to middle it, which really means we're going to, what's the opposite of the middle? I actually don't know.

An extreme? I'm not sure. What's the opposite of a hedge? What's the opposite of a hedge? All in? I don't know. Yeah. Well, that's a double down.

Anyway, okay. And the Mike Davis under, how could I forget? Long shots. Yeah. I'll give you guys one. If you, so I think the Saints beat the Titans, actually. I like this one too.

I think I'm just going to bet the Saints money line. So the Saints, you could do this, you could parley, the Saints getting three points, the Raiders money line, because that's another one like, the Raiders should be, favorite? I don't know. I don't know.

At home, yeah. So, like, the Raiders money line, which is positive. And then the bills, I want, the Jets are, like, disgusting in the first quarter. I mean, like, like, gross. Like, like, abhorrent. So I'm taking the Bills giving three in the first quarter. And I'm putting that with, you could, you could do the Saints plus three in the Raiders' money line, six to one. Or if you think the Saints are going to win, Saints to win, Raiders to win, bills to win the first quarter is like nine to one.

Well, what are the Jets like in the first quarter with Mike White? Yeah. I honestly I don't care the bills are going to score touchdown in the first quarter is my take okay they didn't score touchdown in an entire game against jags but that's fine and i believe mike white has put up big numbers in the in the two first quarters he's played didn't he marched down immediately and score before he got hurt the buffalo bills don't care i don't know i don't necessarily agree with you hyphids i'm giving you shit but um i do have a mike white inspired bet in my long shot so should i Hell yeah.

All right. This is the Mike White time. My three leg parley. This isn't even like a long shot. It's just three legs or whatever. So I got the Jets covering against the bills. The bills are coming off a game where their offense just did not look good whatsoever. It's been a little hit or miss.

I will say and admit that the bills have done well other than last week at just dominating inferior opponents. However, the Jets offense has been a little frisky lately, especially when Mike White's in there. And Corey Davis is about. Corey Davis. Is he back? That's good. Elijah Moore is kind of coming on strong. They got James and Crowder still. Michael Carter has really shown up lately. I think their offense is better than people give them credit for it. So I'm just thinking they're going to cover. So I'm having the Jets covering versus the bills. I'm having the Falcons. This is my second leg. Falcons covering at the Cowboys. Same sort of deal. I still think the Cowboys are going to win. However, the

Falcons offense has been really kind of like hitting their stride over the last few weeks. It feels like Matt Ryan is feeling more comfortable in the Arthur Smith offense. They got a ton of yards off of play action last week, which is exactly what you think it would be with Arthur Smith under center, or sorry, without Arthur Smith calling plays. Cow Pits is still

a threat. I just think they're a little frisky, so I got the Falcons covering versus the Cowboys. And then finally, and Craig, you mentioned this earlier, the Lions covering and they're, the Steelers are favored by eight right now. So the Lions covering against the Steelers, because

the Steelers play down to their opponent every week. The Lions have been playing up to like superior competition, it seems like. They always end up losing, but they're still like making these games, mostly. Coming out of a buy. So Steelers coming off a short week. There you go. Claypool out.

I just like what Craig said. It's the most true thing with the Steelers is they just played up or down to their competition. It's such a weird. Solex says this like all the time. They like drag you down to like they make, to their level. They want you to play an ugly-ass game with them. Well, not to one up you on the names, but I did the green room

with Ryan Shazir and even Ryan Shazir. It was like, yeah, I don't know why they do that, but they really do. Yeah, well, I just had a call with Mike Tomlin, and so. Mike Tomlin was like, oh, yeah. I was talking to, Mike Tom was on flying coach. I was talking to Vince Lombardi. And, uh, no, I don't know. I taught, I, I did a seance with Chuck Knoll.

This is like the SNL sketch with Christodwig. My dad actually owns the moon, so. My father, inventor of the Toaster Strudle. Oh, my God. Anyways, enough of that. I think, so again, this is... So you think the lines cover. This is a million-dollar picks underdog parlay the week.

Oh, is it? No, I'm saying it has that vibe. That's what you're giving off here. I was like, damn, I hope I didn't copy anyone. Anyway, so Jets cover against the bills, Falcons cover against the Cowboys, Lions cover against the Steelers. That makes the odds plus 600-ish. So a $10 bet pays $69.

Nice. that is really nice. The one that scares me is the Jets covering 12. I completely agree. You know what's funny is you made the argument for the Jets to cover and didn't say why I thought they could cover, which is that the Jets have been absolutely and utterly dominated by teams with like physical running games. Like the Colts just made a joke of them because the Colts opened holes. There's like a higher plane of like the size of a rushing hole.

Like when you see a rushing hole that's the size of like a real like a high school football team can make on their homecoming game that's like sometimes there's a hole that you're like I could have scored a touchdown on that it's like that NBC show La Brea that just came out it's like that size hole Yeah that was that was what the Colts

looked like for Jonathan Taylor against the Jets and I don't think the bills can do that Even though the bills will run on them I think that maybe that's not But still I just still think the bills can just absolutely I think the bills thrash them

I couldn't give less of a shit about the Jaguos game last week honestly I need Al Michaels to make that pun when he has to do a LeBrea read after a big run So that is like an actual part of L.A. and there are actual recognizable pieces of that neighborhood

falling through the hole and so I almost want to watch that show just to like... It looks awful. I spent time around there. I used to run through the... I used to live right by there and I used to run through the Libreit Tar Pits

like the little area. It's actually really nice. Smells bad, but really nice. My... I'll run through my long shot quickly. It's not really rooted in much fact except one and I kind of want to make a bet like this. So my bet is Philadelphia

against Denver to score the first touchdown of the game. It's plus 103. Philly is seventh in the NFL in first quarter scoring. Denver is 25th, yet Denver is minus 155 to score a touchdown. There was so many numbers. I'll run it again. Philly's really good at scoring in the first quarter.

Denver's really bad at scoring in the first quarter. But Denver is minus 155 to score first. And I'm like, also, I've never made a who's going to score first bet. And I kind of want to feel that angst. So I'd love to bet this. It's like a particular kind of. It's fun, man. It's like my buddies and I used to bet on what commercial was coming up.

Every time I would go to commercial, you'd put a dollar or five bucks on, like, car commercial, insurance company, uh, soda, candy or whatever. It's so much fun because it's like a media payoff. Yeah. What's that dumb drug, like college kids smoke that like last like 10 minutes? I don't even know. I know what you're talking about. I can't remember the name of it.

It's like legal in some states. Oh, you're talking about, um, I actually know somebody who did it. I was, uh, it only lasts like 10 minutes. Yes, but it's, it's like a crazy hallucin. That's the first quarter bets. Don't do it, kids. No, no, no, please, no, don't do this. But that's the first quarter bet.

Oh, that's going to kill me. Who's going to score first? Yeah. Very brief rush. I do like, I, Craig, I have a soft. Are you finding this right now? That would make me happy if you found it. I definitely, like, love these early bets that just get over with early.

Like, the first score or the game or whatever, it's like, I think you like, it's just a lot of fun. Yeah. I need, I need quick payout. I don't want to have to, like, wait until the end of the entire Sunday to, like, delayed gratification. more like instant gratification. Okay, can I give you guys the moonshot while Craig figures out

what drug there was? I got, I built something special for you guys. I built a punt parlay. I discovered this this is for Craig specifically. I discovered this week you can bet on who is the most punts in a game.

And so I have put, tied a bunch of ones together. And I targeted all the teams that either will just obviously win or the teams playing against the team that's aggressive on fourth down. So I took the jets

to have more puns than the bills because obviously, I took the Seahawks to have more punts than the Packers. Oh, that's a fucking given. He just loves punting so much. Unless Jordan Love starts. Yeah.

I took the Vikings to punt more than the Chargers because Brandon Staley is the fourth down, go for it king. I took the Steelers to have more puns than the lions because the lions just don't give a shit. They just go for it on fourth down all the time. Is this funny that you can bet on this? And then I took the Falcons to have more punts

than the Cowboys. And if you tie all those together, it's 40 to one. Wow. That's awesome. down. That's good. That's good. punt parlay, baby.

So 10 bucks to win 400. Not quite your laptop, but... It's not a laptop. Well, it depends what type of laptop you want. But yeah, it's not... A Lenovo think pad.

I could have added more, but I actually just genuinely believe those five will win, obviously all together is... You know, it's a really fun bet I saw somebody make on Twitter is you just parlay every single team to say there will be no safety in that game and just parlay all them together every week.

I thought about doing that for overtime. Just be not be overtime this week. Yeah. And then just like... Just do it every week and you'll probably win out. win more than you lose I believe the drug is salvia yes yes yes

that is don't do it kids that is what I was saying the who scores first is like the salvia of gambling yes it is a crazy hallucinogen but it's very very brief and just like salvia

whether you have a good or bad trip is decided by a coin toss that is a good point all right last week's bets how do we do last week We actually had 10 instead of 9, and then we went 6 of 10. All right.

Just enough to break even, basically. Just enough to put bread on the table, baby, to keep us coming back. There we go. That's a majority. Okay. You know what? Okay, I just thought of a reality show idea. We should combine Survivor with betting, and you can only get food by winning your bets.

So. We kick people off the island. And you get more food if you, like, have worse odds or whatever? Bill just kicks house off, like, immediately. Yeah. turn the island into like a makeshift outdoor bar, but there's no food or anything like that. But they have all of the TVs and the technology available,

so they're really locked in on betting. So is it like, is it like Survivor and that you want some weak people to stay with you the whole time? Like it's like, you can't just have Warren Sharp and like people you need like, you kind of want to get rid of Warren first

because he's going to win otherwise. Well, it should be just like Survivor where there's two teams at first, you want to keep the best betters, but then the second and they merge, then you're like, we got to get rid of this guy. It's like Warren wouldn't win the betting survivor because everyone would be afraid of Warren.

But if you win the most money, then you win immunity and you can't go home that week. Oh, that's, wow. This is good. This is actually, like, we should cut this out and, like, do this. Not a bad idea. Betting Survivor. There needs to be a good name for it. Sing for your supper.

No, it's not a good. Craig's thinking about it. It wasn't the biggest fan. There's no bad ideas in the brainstorm. But that wasn't great. Anyway, we're workshopping it. Yeah. Fuck you, if it's.

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More importantly. And what it is. We are literally designing the trophy as we speak. Yeah. Craig has suggested a Mount Rushmore of our faces. And then maybe we'll, like, put their face on the fourth person. Ooh. We can put their face on like the forehead.

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Okay. So that'll be in the episode description. We don't have to go through our whole lineup for this week. But I was kind of looking at a Cowboys stack. Little Dak, little Zieg, little CD.

So I do have, I have Tony Pollard in my lineup because Zick's got this like knee injury and if this game's a shootout and they're just like, you know what? We're going to use a little bit of Tony Pollard more in the passing game.

Maybe Zeeke's a little banged up. I feel like it's going to be more of a 50, 50-50 split this week than it is usually. My plug is Jerry Judy at receiver. I have him too.

6,200. I don't understand this. He's going to get peppered with targets. And I think Denver, the biggest bet that I couldn't make because it's not up was that I think, I liked Teddy Bridgewater

over on completions. I think that Denver is going to dink and dunk their way through Philadelphia this week at home. And I love Jerry Judy. And honestly, no offense,

honestly, whoever you want. Giovanni Williams is also pretty cheap, TVAs. Yeah. I just like a little. a lot of the reception and completion numbers for Denver this week. And then there's also just like if Zach

Moss doesn't play for Buffalo, we'll see, damn the single Terry is also super cheap, but we'll see. Anyway, all right, there's your DFS. That's exciting. I cannot wait to see this trophy. And we're still doing the bad quarterback league. So still keep doing the bad quarterback league. Yeah. Which is our love, but now we have, you know,

we did not break up at the bad quarterback, so we're still doing it, but now, you know, it's hard, you know. Exactly. All right. I think that's it. It's all we got. It's all we got. Did you just put fun facts at the end of this doc? I put a few fun facts in there just in case. I'm going to read one. Yeah, you get one.

From Seth. Fun fact, bees can perceive time. I knew this one. I read this crazy article about bees perceiving time. Maybe you can give me some context here. So this is from Seth. By the way, you're supposed to say his name, guys. Come on.

Seth. A study found that you can classically condition bees using sugar water to exit the hive daily at a certain time. They replicated the results with different hives, different times, day, sorry, different times of day and amounts of daylight, putting the bees in an abandoned salt mine with no heat or sunlight. And finally, by flying the bees from Paris to New York and noticing that the bees had six hours worth of jet lag. I thought that was so fascinating.

That's crazy. I pretty much read the article that said all this. And my biggest takeaway is like, what man is flying bees from London to New York? Scientists, Craig. The scientists are. Can you imagine? Hey, hey, Dan, dinner party this weekend? I can't make it.

I'm flying a bead in London to see if he can perceive time. Well, that's like our fantastic fun fact from earlier this year that was like, they basically, like, there's a whole theory that like oysters and certain animals and maybe us are like actually in touch with the electromagnetic magnetic pulse of the earth because oysters adjusted when they open, like they open and close at high tide and then they moved them to like Indiana and adjusted to like where. the moon would be for high tide as if Indiana were like on the ocean and they had no explanation for it.

Love that. But the other one is like monarch butterflies migrate to Mexico, but like every third generation. So like monarchs don't go. Monarchs don't go. And then like the third generation market. That blows my mind. Like how do they fucking know how to get there? Does their parents just tell them?

Well, I don't, they're not raised like other, but you know, it's crazy. Animals are nuts, man. Yeah, there's also... Animals are nuts. There was a fox that lives in, like, the Arctic or something, and they can jump and, like, they dive head first. Oh, yeah. Under the snow and can, like, catch, like, little mice or whatever that are...

Yeah, the planet Earth. This was a plant Earth. You didn't see this one? Yeah, yeah. And they postulate... If he sounds... He can hear the mice under, like, a foot of snow. Oh, right.

Well, I thought there was something that had to do with the electromagnetic field, too. They can, like... For the fox? Yeah, they can, like... triangulate where these animals are based on my very subtle differences. I thought it was hearing. I thought only like sharks and fish can do the or bats or whatever. Well, I'm not a scientist.

I might have to fact check myself. I don't think I made that up, but I could have. Always makes me feel underwhelmed about the human species. I have a lot of text of human species. I have a lot of texts. Anyway, emails at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. If you have more animal. Oh, I have another animal.

fun fact. Oh. I'm going to skip the email. I'm just going to say it. Someone emailed us in, I'm so sorry that I do not remember. I actually can find it right now. Someone emailed us in an incredible thing

that I thought was fake at first that is actually legit and I could not believe it. There is... By the way, the foxes do use a magnetic field as a targeting system. This is incredible. Are you serious?

That's crazy. Yeah, so it says the foxes strongly prefer to jump in a northeasterly direction around 20 degrees off the magnetic north. What? That's nuts. Okay, that's crazy. All right, this one's from John. You have heard of glaciers, glaciers, and you've heard of mice, but have you heard of glacier mice? I haven't. I haven't heard of those. Glacier mice are basically, they're not mice. They're furry green balls of moss. They're just giant balls of moss on glaciers.

And they are basically like the size of a loaf of bread. And they're in like Alaska and Chile and Greenland and Iceland and all these places. And they're like different. species of moss and they are dispersed like you know like cactuses in a desert you know there's like limited nutrients and water so like they're spaced but they move over time like a herd like the moss move like a very slow herd oh boy have even these loads of moss did you just hit the salvia what's going on there's there's too many things that occur in the world and we're just like, why do they do that? And we're like, I don't know. And we just kind of move on. It freaks me out.

Magnets. Magnets. Dude, magnets. Do you know my second grade science for projects? They're cool. Magids are nuts. Everything's crazy. Everything is crazy. You ever just think about, like, I actually think, dude, getting to the moon is nuts. Can you believe that we, like, went to space?

I don't think we spend enough time as a society just, like, knowing weird shit about the Earth and its inhabitants. That's why you guys are big discussing. channel folks, right? I love the Planet Earth. I have all the animal docs, except now Netflix is churning them out so much that I actually know I watch too much of them

because I literally think to myself, you use the same camera crew for all three of these series. And these are the same animals. It's getting cheap now. Now we have like real housewives of the Amazon rainforests. I like that, yeah, exactly.

What? Give me my BBC Earth crew that spent six years looking for one leopard in the Himalayas. To get that shot. You got to get the one shot. 400 cameramen to give me this like eight-minute scene.

That's my Twitter. We did talk about that when we reviewed that the latest planet Earth or whatever it was called. I would like a documentary on the cinematographers and have a guy camps out on a volcano for months waiting to find the one little turtle. You can see those in like the bonus scenes

and stuff. They do like little featureettes on that stuff. I just can't put like the guys like, hi honey, I'm going to be gone for two weeks in the North Pole sitting under a snow cap waiting to find a little bug that emerges from its sack after a certain amount of time. We might not get it though. Yeah, but like, that's kind of like, the people who do those kind of jobs are the kind of people

who don't exactly want to be at a desk job. Like, there's a certain kind of person, like people who kind of crave adventure. I'm not saying it sucks. I'm saying it's insane. Dude, one of those people, the people, they had to track river dolphins. And like, this is, oh my God, I love planet Earth. They basically, they were in the dolphins. I don't remember in the brackish water? Uh, maybe. There's this river in South America. I don't know if it's a Porsche or the Amazon or subsection or whatever. I think it floods and then the whole forest floods with like seven feet of water and the dolphins

swim through the goddamn forest. It is the most surreal thing I've ever seen. And so do you know how hard it is to find river dolphins? First of all, the water's so muddy that the dolphins are freaking blind. Second of all, they were, oh my God, it's crazy. Along the same lines, I love that. I love that fact. I'm going to look that up when we get off this podcast, by the way. I'll tweet out the video.

My favorite genre of animal stuff is the bizarre. You mentioned the monarch butterflies. Like the bizarre gatherings of animals that happen like every year or every like third year. Which are all just giant orgies. Scientists can't figure it out. Like why, how do they know to get here? How did they like, how did they like know exactly where to show up? I just think that stuff's fascinating as how like there's like a giant collection of like whales.

But like when all the penguins go to that island, isn't that just an orgy? Isn't that we don't call it that? Well, yeah. That's what it is. It's like going to, you know, like San Pedro Island or... Love Island for penguins, yeah.

Hi, Fitz, remember in the latest planet Earth where there was ones where they were at some desert and they were... Cinematographers were literally capturing ants to see if they could like make it into the shade before they die? That was crazy because it's like the hottest place on Earth. Yeah. Yeah.

It's like... It was like the ants... They emerged to find food and then if they don't find it in time, they got to get back to shelter? That's a good example of something that is literally seems fake because basically the answer is silver because it's the best color to reflect. They look like mirror ants or platinum

and they reflect sunlight. So basically their superpower is they can stay alive like, I don't know, 20% longer than other insects in the sun. So what they do is they wait for other insects to die in the heat and then try to drag their corpses to their homes before they themselves die in the heat. Nature is metal.

Nature is metal. And there's just a guy filming being like, is this ain't going to make it? Nah, he died. Or is he going to make it? And then the ants just drag him back in. They cut that out of the Discovery Show. Oh my God. All right.

That's all we got. We're going to go back. Nature's metal. Ringer Fantasy Football Show at gmail.com. If you have more like nature stories, please just we're back on the nature thing. I'm going to tweet out the video of the River Dolphins. I'm Danny Hyphids on Twitter. And thank you, Craig.

Thank you, D.K. Thank you, nature. I like, how about the Washington River dolphins? Thank you. The Washington Glacier Mice. Thank you, watch, thank you to the glacier mice. They do move in huds. Thank you, Lorne. Lorne.

Thank you, Portugal, the man. Oh, nice. You know what? I'm really coming around on D.K.'s musical taste. It ebbs and flows for me. What? It's just more diverse than I'd ever thought. I'm connected to the electromatic.

magnetic field. So sometimes it's like a little off, you know, I can't like figure out a good, good song or whatever. No? Didn't hit? Greg clearly hates Portugal the man. No, no. I mean, honestly, nothing. I don't know them too much. I mean, I know that big song that they just had like the last few years, but you know, they're from Alaska. That's cool. All right. We talked enough. No, we're not doing this this time. No, goodbye everyone.