The Ringer NFL Show - Shedeur Free Fall, Saints Pluck Shough, the All-In Bears, and Chad Powers on Talk Tuah

Episode Date: April 26, 2025

The guys are back to break down their most significant takeaways from Day 2 of the NFL draft including Shedeur Sanders's shocking slide past Round 3. Next, they discuss the remainder of the big storylines from Rounds 2-3 by doing a draft of their own. (0:00) Intro (1:26) Shedeur’s shocking slide (21:38) The Seahawks draft full of pure ATHLETES (26:23) The Bears are swinging for dingers (30:45) Tyler Shough to the Saints (37:25) The Pats got Drake Maye some much-needed help (40:24) Quinshon Judkins over TreVeyon Henderson? (42:21) The Texans WR room is packed (48:46) The Packers WR room is also packed (53:52) The Cowboys are having a quietly perfect draft (56:30) The Broncos get Bucky Irving 2.0 (58:55) Raiders stock just keeps going up Check out our 2025 Ringer NFL Draft Guide here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Kai Grady and Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Welcome to the Ringer NFL Draft Show. My name is Danny Hyfitts, and I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Horlebeck and day two of the NFL draft is over. And Shadr-Sandas is not on an NFL team. He's not been taking. Dude, Hyphins is hot right now. Coming in, hot. I find those too hot.

We'll get through all these other things. We're doing stupid draft draft draft, draft, where we draft topics to talk about. The draft draft draft? Yeah, we'll do a draft draft. Nice. Should we even have Shador Sanders? He hasn't get drafted, so he shouldn't be drafted at our draft. Maybe we just talk about that

first. It's funny if the media also refused to talk about him? Just like teams didn't draft him. Oh, that's good. Should we just not? Should we just ignore him? We should talk about him on the next pod? Yeah, there's nothing. Yeah, and then he won't get drafted then. Undrafted free agent. We'll hit him next week. No, I mean, I don't want to be hyperbolic, so I'm going to just

throw something out. It's a slide in NFL history. It's the biggest, this is the biggest, yeah, this is the biggest and most embarrassing slide in the history of the NFL draft. It's not accurate, D.K. I'm trying to think of anything that would be more embarrassing. That's a strong word. Aaron Rogers went to like 24. It took two hours.

Brady Quinn went to 21. Shedor Sanders, this is now two full days. The Browns just took Dylan Gabriel, who's like five foot 10. Nobody saw that. Yeah, nobody saw that coming. Jaylen, no, rose off the board already. What is there been? Five quarterbacks, no Shudor Sanders so far.

Dude, there were mock drafts this week that had Shador going like third. The Pittsburgh Steelers, we thought there was a chance. We were like coming in the draft, I think most people were like, well, maybe the Steelers will take Shador Sanders at 21. And if they don't take him there, maybe Shador won't go in the first round, and then they were talking round two early. Someone would maybe trade out for Shador. And well, the Steelers, if they'd take them round one,

it's because they don't have a second round pick. They don't pick again until Lady 3. 83rd pick is on the clock, and the Steelers took a running back. They took Caleb Johnson from Iowa, who fits the team very well. But that was crazy. The Browns, the Browns at this point have had five chances to take them. The Raiders, who, again, there was a relationship between Shador and Tom Brady, like, you know, the Raiders had back-to-back picks.

They had 98, 99, and they didn't even take Shador Sanders. They have Jada Smith. Sheur-Smiths, like 35 years old. D.K., how much of this is Shadora Sanders's, play and how much are teams like, yeah, you're a backup quarterback and we don't want a quarterback who's a headache. I think, yeah, I think the, what is happening here, if you kind of just read between the lines, I think there are, and we talked about this prior to the draft.

There's a lot of kind of whispers that this might happen. Like if he gets past so-and-so team at number nine, the Saints or whatever, then he could fall a lot because then there's no like really obvious teams that are going to want him to be their next starter, their next franchise future guy, like the cornerstone piece of their franchise. And the disastrous thing has happened where basically no teams stepped up and wanted him as their new franchise cornerstone. And I think the reason he's still on the board is not because I don't think he is a

day three quarterback based on skill. I think it is a situation where nobody sees him as a starter. And now nobody really wants him as a backup just because of all the chaos that kind of comes with him, like the media. Firestorm or whatever you're going to see when he eventually does get picked. I think basically every team is basically just saying, look, we don't want him as a starter. And now we don't really want him as a backup because all the stuff that kind of comes with. The drama is not worth having them as a backup on your team.

So it's like, why would we take it? And I think like, look, there's a lot of pre-draft reports that were shadowy. And you never really know it's a smokescreen or whatever. But basically that he bombed all these interviews. He was disinterested. I think the words I've seen are disinterested on professional. all this stuff. He went to all these interviews, and there was a lot of reports from a lot of different people that he did. The teams were very turned off by these interviews. And obviously, like,

prior to the draft, that looks like character assassination or whatever, there's just a lot of ways to look at it. Now, I think you have to lend a lot more credence to the fact that this is probably what happened. Like, he went to these interviews and these teams were not impressed. And I agree. And again, I very passionately made a case that I thought Shador Sanders was underrated as a player like a week ago. And that was during our coin flips. Because I remember coming into that, we prepped for both sides because we don't know which side of the quarterback's coin we're going to argue. My pro side was I thought, I still think Shador Sanders, as if Brock Purdy thought he was Joe Burrow. And you know what Brock Purdy was the last pick in the draft?

Yeah. And but my con argument, and when I've talked about this on the draft show earlier was, I think Shador Sanders, like as a first rounder, again, is the most likely player to get you fired in the history of the NFL draft. and I don't think that's necessarily still true as you get in the second or third round because of the pressure. But I do, I remember being at the combine. And Craig, you were there, this year first combine. Do you remember we saw Shador going interview to interview around?

And I remember kind of bumping into a guy and it was Dion Sanders Jr. And Deon Sanders Jr. is basically Shador's cameraman and he follows him everywhere and he films everything Shador does for the YouTube channel, everything. And if you go to Deon Sanders Jr.'s Instagram story, I got to tell you, the Dior draft party,

it's really now that he hasn't gone the first three rounds, it's like now the tuxedos are kind of fucked up. It's kind of just sad. Like if you just go through this Instagram story, they really do have the vibe of, these are just like, there's a spoiled rich kid element that starts to kind of come through.

And maybe, I don't think I would have thought that, but like when you hear what D.K. is saying of like, okay, 32 teams have passed on this guy a collective 100 times. and then at the most important position in this sport. And like, well, Dion's famous, he's a Hall of Famer. And they don't think he has Hall of Fame habits. Yeah, I don't necessarily think that, like, him being confident verging on cocky is the main problem. I think it's him being confident verging on cocky while being like a mid-level talent.

Quincy Avery was on Riscilla like a month or two ago and he was all over this. He was just like, this guy's a fifth or six-round talent. and if his name was Mike Smith, he would go in the fifth or sixth round, and that might happen today. That's all it is. I honestly think this is actually pretty simple. I think it's like he bombed his interviews.

He came off as cocky, and talent-wise. He's not good enough to overcome that at all. He's a mediocre college quarterback. And also, I hate to say it. I think that there's a world where maybe it was staring us in the face the whole time. He's kind of the epitome of born on third base and thought he hit a triple. Because again, from the beginning, the Dion Sanders, the snowplow parent thing.

Dion was his high school offensive coordinator. And then when Shador Sanders had to go to college, and he was like an 80th ranked prospect. Now wondering about that too. Part of me is like, who wanted to be the guy who gives stars out in high school and not give Deon Sanders' son who's a quarterback like a four-star grade. But like Dion went to coach at Jackson State and took that job

to get Shador to the NFL and then picked up Jackson State and went to Colorado and brought Travis Hunter and the whole program to Colorado. The whole thing was to get Shador. to the NFL and like that's so you're so right it's a great example of of honestly like what the media can create like the Colorado hype train I think really did a lot of this because I'm I would you talk to a lot of scouts it sounds like he was never graded that highly and that this was just all this was the Colorado media hype train that built him up and got him to this level when in reality when you actually when you actually went to the people working for teams no one ever thought he was a

a top talent. And there is so, and D.K., I'm curious, too, because I think on one hand, there, I think there's an undercurrent of resentment toward the NFL for passing on him over this. And it's like a weird coalition of, I mean, Donald Trump posted about this on true social today, for God's sake. Donald Trump's like, what dumb owners. I can't, I won't even get into that.

But this honestly is fascinating because it does quickly get into, and look, there are elements of this where you could say, you know, overwhelmingly white league. and, like, ironically, the players, there's a meritocracy, the coaches. It's like every other job where you kind of hire people you know, and maybe some of these guys aren't all the experts you think. But in reality, this is the most important position in sports. 32 teams have passed on this guy over and over and over at this point. I have to believe that this over and over, we're saying this guy isn't as good as we think.

It does kind of become this meta-narrative on how much of the draft is smoke versus fire. And then, you know what I mean? It makes me question a lot of what I've been thinking. It's what D.K. says all the time, right? Isn't it what you say, DK, where you're like, teams will tell you what they think of a player or something? Like, coach? It's like, we are learning what the, what teams think of him. This reminds me so much of the, what was it, 2022 draft, 2021 draft, the one with Kenny Pickett, where.

Malik Willis was another guy who people thought maybe would have been a first round. He went higher than Shador set. Malik Willis went higher in the third round. Yeah. I mean, Sam Howell was a fifth rounder and people were talking about him as a potential first rounder. I mean, I think it's just, we, you. touched on it. Craig or Hife hits a camera who was basically the media is very good at. I think just talking itself into guys and look, I'm part of that, obviously.

Like I had him as my 27th best player. I didn't think he was a top tier quarterback. I thought he was like more of a fringe first second rounder. And turns out the NFL doesn't even view him even remotely like that. I still think, I still stand by the idea that he was better. Like he's, I think it's more the situation is the team's work. weren't willing to draft this guy to be their starter and it's too much of a pain and they ask to have him as a backup.

Like, I kind of think that's what's going on. And to that point, I actually think there's a world where, if I can even argue against what we were just saying, that it's nothing to do, not nothing to do with the Dion, but we do see this before. I remember reading on ESPN years ago that Sam Howell in two years would be the number one pick in the NFL draft. Like literally, the idea was Sam Howell would be the first pick. Remember Matt Barclay?

There was a time when Matt Barclay was like before his final year in college, everyone was talking about him as like a top five pick. And it's just. Spencer Rattler, who ended up going in the fifth round, made it to day three. And again, they all had something. But Spencer Rattler actually, ironically, is the comparison here. Because Spencer Rattler was like this crazy talented guy with the size that isn't really, I mean, she's a little short.

He's, Shador is a little taller, but like a weird frame for an NFL quarterback Routland Shador. And they're like, this guy, the guy screaming and his teammates on the Netflix show is going to be a backup quarterback. That's not the guy we want. and he will last until the fifth round. And now you got Tyler Shuck, who is 26 by the time week one begins. Tyler Shuck is going.

The Saints just wait for Tyler Shuck to come to them. I think 60 picks before Shador. The other thing here that I think is hard for, you know, people on the outside kind of, like us who are sort of evaluating what's happening on the field and everything. Like I do think these interviews from whatever we've heard or a major, major issue for him. And look, the quarterback position is, like you said, it's the most important position, but it's also the hardest position by far in probably any sport. You have to have an incredible makeup.

You have to be in like Jalen Hertz is a perfect example of this. Like he was a second round pick, but he is the hardest worker. He is constantly trying to improve. Every year he's gotten better. You know, mentality-wise, he's got like the really steely attitude where he doesn't get too high, doesn't get too low. Russell Wilson's another great example of this third rounder. He was really short, but his work ethic, his belief in himself, you know, all the A plus character stuff that you look at. Like these things are very, very important to teams. That's probably why

Jackson Dart was a first round pick. Everything you hear about him is he's the hardest worker, leader, going to rally guys, you know, going to be a someone that sort of comes into an organization and rallies everybody around him, like Jalen Milrose, another good example of that. Everything you hear about him is he's awesome as a person. Hard worker, A plus character. And this stuff really matters to teams about quarterbacks because this is going to be the representative of your team. And more importantly, for coaches, your job is in their hands. So if they don't trust you, if they think you're kind of an idiot or whatever it is, they are not going to like stick their neck out for you.

It really feels like it's a perfect storm. Like to begin with, it's a bad quarterback class, which helped all of this. Dion is the most exciting thing to happen to college football in a long time. Travis Hunter, Shador's teammate, is one of the best players ever in college. The confidence in the flash of Deon, I think the success of Colorado, people started to conflate that with Shador's talent.

All of that, plus everything Shador has been told his entire life as the son of Deon, only playing under Deon, probably led to these interviews that didn't go well. Like it all worked, and mixed with what the media was doing over the last two and a half months, it all mixed to kind of build this perfect stew,

which is why we're seeing Shador drop right now. Yeah. Like nobody, I mean, I think so a lot of people were thinking, oh, he might drop. Nobody was, I don't know who was saying it would be this late, but I think more importantly, no one was thinking guys like Dylan Gabriel were going to go in front of him. Dylan Gabriel, I like Dylan Gabriel. He's 5.11. I soured on him and then I kind of came around toward the end.

I'm like, but he is 5.11. He's fun. He's fun lefty. And like, yeah, I don't think I can scout lefties properly. I just, I need a lefty. I'm in. I've never been out on a lefty quarterback. But it is ironic that the Browns of all teams picked Dylan.

and Gabriel after there was so much smoke connecting the Browns to Shador. I also can't help but wonder. I wonder how much of it's Shador, how much of it's Deon, how much of it's arrogant. And I think that on one level, you want to think about it like, I want to think about it like Dion Sanders a year ago being like, oh, there are some cities I wouldn't let Shador go to. And I'm like, all right, well, we know what handful of cities that would include, probably Cleveland.

And now the Browns pass you six times. The reality is it's probably more like the Don Draper beam of the we don't think about you at all. Yeah. You know what I mean? And I think that's part of it. They're probably thinking about them a little, but it's just, this is a headache for backup quarterback.

It is wild, though. I was, I probably looked up seven or eight times today, and I was just thinking, man, this is, this wild. I don't think anyone expected this, this significant of a drop. Let's,

let's play a game on the second round. I was going to say, I know, you don't have to play the whole, like, when is it going to go? Because we're going to do another show on Sunday. But Craig,

do you want Shador Sanders in the fourth round? Because the Steelers haven't, the Steelers still have a, Caleb Johnson running back. They took an Iowa running back. They still haven't signed Aaron Rogers. At this point, it's like just the sheer value of it. Holy shit, you get a motivated Shador Sanders in the fourth round.

At some point, at some point, you got to take them. I think yes. And I also think Tomlin is uniquely equipped to handle the Dion Storm better than other coaches. Like, if anyone is kind of cemented in their franchise on their team and unable to be shaken, it is Mike Tomlin. So, yeah, sure. I actually think it's at this point in the fourth. round taking Shador Sanders. And if we, I think we are, I think the Steelers are going to get Aaron Rogers.

Yeah, that's kind of insane to think about Aaron Rogers and Stor Sanders on the same team. But I actually think that if they did it, I wouldn't be that upset. I got to tell you too now. I have, I think I would say that I have been as much as anybody covering the NFL trying to get ahead of the Dion Sanders thing is going to be a thing over the Shador standard. Like Dion is a cloud, whether he wants to or not. He's a cloud over the Shador experience. there is no storm anymore.

Like there is no, what is Deon going to do? Be like, put my son and you were a fourth round pick or fifth. You know what I mean? Like there's no pressure. Like literally the entire NFL passing you a hundred times. Yeah, but you think Dion's, you think Dion's going to stay quiet during the season regardless of when his son gets drafted? I think there's, he's still going to be. I kind of, I think, you know what?

I don't know. 24 hours ago, D.K. asked me, what did you say? Well, on one hand, I want to be like, is there any humble going around? but I don't think that I have to think that Dion has any glimmer of guilt over creating sort of the media circus

and then if it has anything to do with this fall, you know? I do, I will say, I have to say this, and I don't want this to come off the wrong way. But there is something about, like, if you just go and watch Dion Sanders Jr.'s Instagram story

of Shador, there is something about him. Like, I kind of never saw him this way, but like some level he's 22 years old. he's absurdly wealthy, he's absurdly rich, he's absurdly famous. And he just ends everything he says with legendary. His podcast is called too legendary. And like every day he just gets on Twitter and tweets, legendary, like once a day.

And I'm just like, when you don't go in the first round or the second or the third, at some point you kind of look at that and you're like, oh, maybe that's like a tip of an iceberg that when you see the whole thing, the teams were like, oh, this guy, maybe they're like, he's all hat, like he's all hat, no saddle. You know, all sizzle, no steak, whatever the, I don't know. Basically, just, yeah. I guess, I will say, Mel Kuiper. I know.

Is he okay? We bear shambles. He ruined that. He has been broadcast because it just had best available Shador. It's been 80 picks. They went 80 picks with Chador is the best available. He said he was like, I'm not going to talk about Chador a lot today. And he went on to talk about Chador constantly.

And he brought up that Joe Montana went in the third round. So we have that. So who's the fourth round quarter? Rebecca brings up now. We're going to talk to Scott all day tomorrow. And Dak and Kirk went in the fourth. He's going to make the Brady comp, I'm sure, if he falls later than that. Six round, yeah.

Watch your door go in the Brady spot. Who picks in that exact spot? Maybe the Raiders will take him in the Brady spot. Wow. Wait, I'm like, what was Brady? 196? 199. Isn't that his production company?

Yeah. Don't think that's happening. No, I think that's happening. Craig, I think everyone's desperate to know. Have you been practicing at all? You're Mel Kiper? Oh, hell. No, I'll save it.

Give the Mel Kuiper right now. No, no, no, no. Kirk Cousins went around four. Joe Montana went round three. Give it. Come on, Tom. No, I have to wait until Shador gets drafted. What are we doing here?

Okay, okay, okay. All right, fine. Austin was prepping me. He was giving me notes on Mel, so I got to work over the weekend. We'll tease that. That'll be up Monday morning then. Unless Shadrode never gets drafted, then we'll never have to talk about him again. Yeah, he goes undrafted and figures out a way to go back to school,

but then he'd have to have a new number for Colorado because his number was retired. now the tuxedos seem kind of fucked up. Are they unretired? How does that work? Can I ask you serious? I know we're just on this forever. But last question. By far the biggest story.

I mean, it's easily the most interesting. What do you think Travis Hunter is thinking about all this? I was thinking about that earlier, Hyphitz. I was like, damn, the Jags like sold the whole, they mortgage their future to trade up just for Hunter at number two. and then his teammates, poor teammate. You know what's funny?

Do you remember when we read the terms of the Jaguars trade, they gave the Jaguars gave an extra sixth rounder to the Browns. I didn't even read it because I'm like at some point you read all the picks. It's kind of like distracting. There's an outside chance to Shedora Sanders last till that fucking six round pick. The Browns got from the Jaguars. Like that's now in range that the pick I didn't even read is. as Shador.

I don't know. Anyway. D.K. In your day three mock that's coming out tonight, where is Shadur landing? To be clear, I'm not doing that. You're not? No. Let me think. This is a good question. You know Mallory about that. Craig.

Prediction of, I think Shadour's get me to write more. I think Shadour is going to go to one of the the Shannhani guys. I think at some point, the arrogance sets in. It's kind of like when McVeigh got Blake Bortles and he's like, I can fix you. And then John Gruden was like, fuck it. I'll get Nathan Peterman. Like there is at some level

of, oh, I can do it with this guy. So it's got to be on a team with a super entrenched quarterback, I would think. Yeah. A Shanahan, a McVeigh, McDaniel, I think one of those guys with the entrenched quarterback. The Eagles, I don't think we'll do it because I think Howey stepped in that already with the... It's tough too, because all those, like all those teams you just mentioned are all of kind of the flashiest cities.

L.A., Miami, San Francisco. Like, it'd be cool if he had to go to like Cleveland, you know? But him going to L.A. Is it him going to L.A.? better or worse for him, the city of L.A.? Like, does that... Probably worse.

Right? Yeah. He's going to have an Airwant smoothie named after him. All right. We can talk about everything else now. I wanted you saying stupid, which is a draft draft. And there's a bunch of things that happened today, and I want to just draft what we want to talk about here.

So we got basically like a dozen things. D.K., age before beauty. Wow. Thank you. The first overall pick. What would you like to talk about from day two of the NFL draft? I'm going to go full Homer here, and I want to talk about the Seahawks draft because it's both exciting and interesting in my mind. The Jalen Mill Road pick is fascinating on a lot of levels.

Like you heard us talking about him on the Take Burge, which I don't remember what we said. For the people that plugged in Seattle, remind us when we, when Seattle, who Seattle actually took today. Yeah. We can't be held responsible for any of those while that rage just takes that we have. But we can't take credit for them when they're right. If they're right in the future. But yeah, I mean, basically, to me, Jalen Milrow is the perfect non-day-one quarterback project, because if you're going to take a non-first-round quarterback,

it's just nice to have the superhero is on the range of outcomes for this guy, basically. He's just a freak athlete with a really strong arm. You're not getting that with any of these other day-two quarterbacks. you know, there's always just, I think for a lot of those guys, it's like, your upside is a good backup, and that's like why these teams are taking them, get them in there and help try to get them developed or whatever, and maybe they'll turn into a good backup down the line. Like, I think Milro is more interesting than that type of,

that sort of archetype of quarterback, because not only does he have sort of that upside as a superhero, I've heard the souped up Jalen Hertz comp before, basically is in that style of quarterback where you can use them in the run game a lot, kind of like massage the offense. So he's, you know, making the throws that he feels very comfortable making, not necessarily the most complete passer. Like Jalen Hurst doesn't throw the middle of the field very often.

That's like a huge thing. That's a Russell Wilson thing as well. Maybe they can kind of massage an offense around him. But obviously, insanely talented runner. One of the best college, like, quarterback runners we've seen in years, just explosive, good vision, tackle breaking. And so, and then the other thing, I think that's just kind of interesting. about this whole thing, and I'm not relegating him to this,

but the Seahawks did just hire Taysam Hill's former offensive coordinator in Kuwiac, Clint Kubiak. And so, I don't know, maybe there's some view here that they're going to maybe try and get him on the field in certain packages and utilize his athleticism, utilize his freakish speed as a runner, and just make things a little bit more difficult for opposing defenses when they're preparing for the Seahawks. So I just think it's an interesting kind of exciting pick, and obviously there's some upside there. And yeah, you took Gray Zabel in the first round as a guard. You took Nick

Emin Worry, the safety out of South Carolina. And then you got Elijah Arroyo, the tight end out of Miami. This is the most athletic Seahawks draft. And this is a team in the past that has focused very hard on athleticism. Like, take a guy that has elite athleticism. We can coach him up and turn him into good player. It doesn't always work, of course. But Emin Worry, you know, according to the RAS score, the RAS score, the most athletic safety ever measured. He's just explosive, big, kind of a rangey guy. This Yucs traded up for him in the second round. They traded up to like the third or fourth pick in the second round to grab this guy.

I had heard before the draft that they really loved him. They were blown away by him. I think they had him in for a 30 visit. And I'm just really excited to see what Mike McDonald can do with him. Obviously, I don't view him as a like a Kyle Hamilton caliber player. But obviously people are going to make that connection because, you know, McDonald's bringing in that Raven style offense. Like the way that they can utilize him in the back end,

flying around. I kind of see him as like a robber type of type of player where he's lurking in the secondary and jumping routes and kind of doing that kind of thing, flying down the alley. And so yeah, he's a really exciting pick of Royo, one of the most athletic tight ends in this class. Elijah Roy, the tight end in Miami.

He's like a move tight end, big, can get up to see him and really gain speed if he gets a little bit of a runway. Athletic. He is very athletic, yeah. So that's kind of exciting. and then obviously Milrow is like elite athlete. So really good class.

So A plus grade for your Seahawks. The Seahawks, they did the thing where they're... Seattle got the second round. They traded it up, but they got the second rounder that they could have taken at 18 and people would have been like good pick at 18 and they got them at 35 or whatever. And then, yeah, right, it's just, it's an awesome draft. And Milrose, that's what you... It's one of those, like, whether they connect or not, it's a home run swing.

And like, that's awesome. Like a true... And sometimes team takes swings, but... it's like a line drive power. This is a grand slam swing with Jalen Milrow. Did you know that this is in 14 years, John Schneider's been the GM of the Seahawks? This is only the third quarterback he's taken.

Russell Wilson and Drew Locke? No, he didn't drafts. Russell Wilson and Charlie. I think it was like some seventh rounder or something. I'm trying to remember off the top of my head, but it was like a nobody and then him. Okay, so Seahawks, Craig. You mentioned home run.

I kind of just want to talk about the bears taking Luther Burden. the receiver out of out of Missouri. Speaking of which, dingers! Yeah, dingers! Look, so they took,

with the 10th pick, they took Colston Loveland a tight end out of Michigan. And I think you're probably, I think we were all kind of like, all right, they went for it. They got an offensive guy

for Caleb, time to do something else. Nope, their next pick. Luther Burton, who was like the most high ceiling electric wide receiver you could add to the team. I think he's awesome.

I know people are mixed. He had a down year last year, the year before that. He was incredible. He was looked at as, potentially like a top 10 pick in the draft, if you were to have come out a year before this year. And it's like,

and then they got a tackle in the next pick. So Ben Johnson and Ryan Poles are, like we've been saying for the last couple weeks, Caleb better be good. Because God damn. Yeah. Luther Burden, do you know who I comped him to in my draft guide? DJ Morse, Bears receiver.

Yeah, so I always feel like this happens kind of a lot, actually, in some of these other picks that we saw today happen. Like, what's his name? Jalen, Jalen Knoll went to the Texans. I think I comped him to Christian Kirk or like I had at some point. Yeah, Jaylon, you said Christian Kirk. And they have Christian Kirk on their roster. They picked him too.

I think there's just kind of like a lot of these situations where teams have. And Jaden Higgins got comp to Nico Collins at some point. Sure, yeah, yeah. So teams kind of like have these archetypes that they're looking for. So obviously, Burden, I think, comps, you know, to DJ Moore style of player where you want to get him the ball and let him do his damage after the catch. He's really explosive and he's bigger and more physical than you think.

He's not just like a normal, like he's not just a only gadget player. I think he can get vertical as a route runner. And the big question marks for him, I think coming into this draft or just effort and there's obviously, you know, why his production was so far down this year compared to the year before.

And there's just a lot of question marks there. But I think, again, like you said, Craig, Like this is a swing for the fences type pick because he could end up being the best receiver in this class. Like I love it. If he gets it all together. I think he's going to be a massive success in Chicago. I think he's going to crush. I think he's so talented and it's going to work.

And this is going to be an amazing pick. And Byrne, I just love that they're getting like playmakers in their offense. Sorry, I didn't mean to. No, he's more athletic than DJ Moore. That's the thing. Like he five star like electric at the ball. He's got the small hands like DJ Moore. I think there's a general unhappiness around Luther Burden when he's not going to do the football

that D. G. Moore has. But that's the thing that you're coming. Luther Burton is just going to walk off the field in the middle of a play like DJ made it. I forget that week one or two. DG. Moore's just like walking off like fuck this.

Like oh my God. Like he's still scrambling around. He's just like fuck this. I'm going to do that. Unbelievable. But like no, Luther Burton has that. But Ryan Poles the GM of the Bears also has such a type.

Because this is also so Chase Claypool coded of I'm going to go get this crazy athlete with a high second round pick that is a like, I mean, Mike Tomlin couldn't handle Chase Clay. Claypool, which is like, don't take a receiver, Mike Tomlin can't handle. And the Bears are like, I'll do it. So now they're getting Luther Bird, it's so similar.

And in a way, I think it's kind of chasing the chase Claypool high. But no, this is incredible. This is literally that, what's that X-Men movie where Wolverine keeps saying the best, the best defense is a good offense? That's the Bears right now. So we'll see. And again, bears never had a 4,000-yard passer ever. And now they have Luther Burden, DJ Moore, Romad, D'J, Moorne,

Colston, Loveland, and Cole Commet, plus DeAndre Swift. Keep an eye on, keep an eye on Roma, Dunez. because, I mean, you got to remember he was playing a big chunk of last year on a knee injury. He injured his knee early on. I can't remember exactly when it was. And so he was like coming back. And obviously, hopefully in the offseason, they've been connecting Hale Williams and Roma Dunezay. But Roma Dunesay was a very, very highly thought of receiver prospect.

And so, man, I just cannot freaking wait to watch the bear's offense. I know that last year we were excited about him too and it totally bombed. But the year after. Yeah. I do have a lot of faith in Johnson. And I just as a play caller, as a play sequencer, as a play designer, getting the best, getting the most out of his playmakers is exactly what he did in Detroit. I feel like that was sort of his signature is, I know how to use these guys.

And I'm going to get him the ball in the way that they are best, like, that they feel the most comfortable. And so I'm very excited to see how he kind of like mixes this all together. The one I want to talk about is the Saints taking Tyler Shuck, the quarterback out of Louisville, which on one hand, I get it because I think Shuck is the most. pro-style offense. He has the best NFL frame of these guys. He's tall. He's tall?

The tallest of the ball. Men love tall guys. Men love tall men. You don't need any personality if you're tall guy and men will be friends with you. Women will want you. Like, it's great if you're tall. It really gets you through life. No offense to tall people listening.

But you know, there's tall people advantages. Also, if you're tall, never complained to short people about fitting on an airplane. We don't care. But anyway, Tyler Shuck is tall. And they love that. But in all seriousness, I think the interviews that Shador bombed. I think Tyler Shuck was the best interviewing quarterback in a lot of these meetings. The flip side,

which I can't get over. Tyler Shuck, Sam High School class is Trevor Lawrence. If you count Venom, which I think is divisive, but if you count Venom, ten Spider-Man movies came out while Tyler Shuck was in college. Literally 2018 to 2025. He was Justin Herbert's

backup in his sophomore year in college. It is a second year in college. Three seasons in Oregon. Three seasons in Oregon. Three seasons at Texas Tech, one season at Louisville. He's older than. and Trevor Lawrence and Brock D. Again, he was teammates with Joanne Johnson. Trump was two years into his first term.

That's so fucking college. That's so fucking nuts. We should do a time lapse of the world. Like Tyler Shuck was just in college. I got hired at the ringer the year that Tyler Shuck went to college. You were crashing vans for the impossible Kimmy Schmidt when Tyler Shuck was in college. Fuck. You know it's because it's impossible always sticks in my head.

Anyway, I still. So Tyler Shuck broke his collarbone in 2021, broke it again in the open of 2022, broke his leg in 2023. I actually think this influences his play style. I think the irony, Tyler Shuck plays like Derek Carr. I know. This struck me today. Somebody was tweeting about this today.

And I was like, oh my God. The guy, so you guys will remember this. Derek Carr, the living embodiment of throwing the ball away on fourth down. The biggest issue that I had with Tyler Shuck watching him, I was so frustrated watching him. And I told you guys this. I wanted to like him. Yeah, you hate him.

I went in there and I was just like, ah, I can't do it with this guy. He throws the ball away so fucking much. The instant pressure comes. He just like, broke your collar and he just like, panics and throws it out of bounds. Yeah, he has one really bad play. He has one really bad like Will Levis mixed with Derek Carr, Ick play where he's like getting super pressured and he like underhand 15 yards forward

to the team. He plays like, you know, like Aaron Rogers plays now. And it was great. He plays like he's biologically. 41. You know what I mean? Well, all those injuries, yeah. Well, all the injury, no, but in all seriousness, I think it's affected his playstyle, so he doesn't really take hits. And I think that's just like a red,

like there is a hard ceiling on you. You can't take it. And that's Derek Carr's thing. I mean, Derek Carr has the thing I've still never heard from another NFL quarterback, which is Joey Bosef just called Derek Carr soft after a game. He's like, yeah, I know if we hit the guy that he's not going to play that well. And everyone's like, yeah, that's true. I mean, that is, yeah, that's kind of worry here. The irony is, it is funny that the Derek Carr, who has maybe like career ending or at least season-ending shoulder issues,

they are drafting a quarterback who broke his color boat twice. So anyway, so Spencer Rattler is going to play for this team because Tyler Shuck, how long is he going to last in the NFL? It's going to say, I watched the tape, I wrote him up, did my report, kind of made my decision on him. I didn't really like him that much. However, he has a great dog.

I don't know if you guys saw that dog. He had this big old golden retriever. I think it was a golden retriever. I believe her name was Murph or Murphy? That dog was a 10 out of 10 dog Dog was awesome And then when he got picked The dog was like freaking out

And jumping up on I don't know maybe it was his mom or whatever It was just like this is the cutest moment It was Tyler's girlfriend and the dog All in one big hug And it was really cute Because the dog kind of jumped in there The dog's just wagging his tail

They had the best vibes of any room I'm gonna give you a compensatory pick You have back to back picks You can take a serious pick in a moment But right now I want you to talk about the worst vibes of any room because you sent me the picture of Quinn Euler

with all the fucking deer antlers behind him of all the exotic things they killed. This is kind of a deep cut, but Ace Ventura 2, I can't remember what the... Out of Africa? Escape from Africa? What is it called? No, that's not what it was.

Something with Africa, right? Yeah, we got to look that up. Craig, Google that while I'm talking. Anyway, in Ace Ventura 2. It's called when Ace Ventura when Nature calls. There's a scene where he goes into this hunter's house and there's just a whole bunch of like,

you know, whatever text or me animals. He goes, wow, what a lovely room of death. And I was just like, Quinn yours, what a lovely room of death. That's a real Texas like hunting lodge living room. I've been in some of those hunting lodges that have like, hey, these are

we went to this reserve and we just we killed all these like, yeah, there's exotic. There's some crazy animals floating around Texas. It wasn't just like a few hanging on the wall. It was the whole, every inch of those walls. And parts of the ceilings are just covered

in, you know, animals. What do you call them? What do you call them? Not busts. What are they? Busts? They're not a bus. A taxidermy, I don't know. What is fucking called? This is where like the coastal bias of this

of the show comes. I think, by the way, I think I'm the first person ever to confuse Ace Ventura 2 with Sidney Pollock's out of Africa. That's a sentence score gharmy right there. That's never been done. I actually visited the house from that movie in Africa, no big deal. I was learning about all these ranches in Texas where they kind of have these crazy elaborate hunting. One day we got to talk about the king ranch. We can talk about this in the offseason, but there's this thing called the king ranch, which is like one of the three largest

plots of land in America. Okay. What's interesting? It's 825,000 acres. And I was learning about all the animals that are on here. And that's kind of what's on the wall. It's like these crazy deer from other continents that are brought in and like exist in small. It's kind of like how Pablo Escobar brought hippos over and they're just like in a river in Colombia and they can't get rid of them. We have stuff like that here and I was learning about it. D.K. Are they called shoulder mounts? Mounce, I think, is what the word I was looking for. Okay. Anyway, so Tyler Shuck

to the sake, I think he's going to play. Just fucking this is another deep cut, but do you remember the movie Garden State when he's like in the doctor's office? The doctor has like a million things on his wall and then it just pans up and there's one on the ceiling too

because he ran out of room. I'm like, that's like fucking Quinn Euler's like whatever he's going to get drafted and one's going to fall and pale them. All right. D.K., you could pick another real exciting thing now. Let's talk about the Pats. I thought the Pats had a pretty good draft.

Pretty exciting draft. Obviously, they took Will Campbell in the first round at overall number four. Their new left tackle probably, if not long-time starter at guard. In the second round, they grabbed one of my favorite players, Trayvon Henderson, at 38. Love that for them. Explosive Playmaker can protect in pass pro, can be big in the passing game. He's the best weapon on that offense now, Travion Henderson for the New England Patriots. Yeah, and this is huge news for Drake May who got the absolute shit kicked out of him last year all the time.

He said, but he can play left tackle if Will Campbell can't make it. Basically getting Will Campbell, one of the best blocking offensive alignment in the draft and Trayvion Henderson, one of the best, if not the best blocking running back in this class. I just love that together. I think that makes a very strong statement with what they're doing in here and, like, putting guys around Drake May to help him. That's the most important thing they can absolutely do. And then they took Kyle Williams in the third round, who I think he kind of came on late for a lot of people.

The wide receiver. Yeah, the receiver from Wazoo. But he's a really good separator, really fast can get down the field. I know what everyone's thinking. The Pats have never had a successful wide receiver draft pick, or at least not in recent memory. And that was obviously not helped at all by Jalen Polk being maybe the worst receiver I've ever seen my life last year. Kyle Williams is going to break the stretch though. Dude, Kyle Williams, I think, is the most well-respected, like, deep.

cut receiver. He's like the indie band everyone loved in his class. He really is. Yeah, yeah. And the idea that he's going to, can I give you a stupid take that's wrong, but I believe? Yes. This draft to me reeks of Mike, because the Patriots have this weird thing where Elliot Wolf is their quote unquote GM or whatever, but the people really

running this team are Mike Vrable and Mike Vreel's personnel guys. This draft to me reeks of the Vrable, I was a defender and I know what offensive players I hate to play against. Like all these, Will Campbell, where Mike Vrable is out here, like, I don't have a shit if the left tackle's arms are short, if he can block, man, I think he can block. Like, Trivion Henderson is, give me the guy, home run guy that can pick up a block.

I love when a guy can I be on the field on third down or he doesn't matter. Kyle Williams, who is not like the big size speed thing where it's like, I think Vrable, if you gave him true serum, is like, I love the big athletic people who don't know how to play football. Kyle Williams knows how to plays football. And like, that's kind of the through line of all these Patriots picks. They are guys who know to fucking play football. Also, they also drafted Jared Wilson, who was one of the,

I think one of the most highly regarded center prospects in this class, a one year starter for Georgia, one of the most athletic centers we've ever seen. I think my tape, my take on his tape was like, I didn't like love it. And I think that's why he fell to the late third round. He was a little passive at times,

a little bit kind of lost at times. But I think obviously the athletic upside is there. He's built exactly what you want your center to be built like. and he played for Georgia. I played a lot of really good players. I think that's just a really, really interesting pick. He could end up being a starter for them pretty early on too. Oh, look at this, there's been a trade.

Danny's traded up with Craig for this pick. What do I get in return? I don't know. We'll figure it out later. Can I get one of those mounts on Quinn yours's wall? Yeah. I'm going to get you a deer. No, but I think the reason Henderson was there for the Patriots

was that the Browns took Quinn Ures'Rs's, Shot Judkins. The running back 36. They took him over Trivia and Henderson. What did you think of that, D.K., the Brown's taking Quinshawn over Henderson? I think that's just a question of style. Judkins and Henderson obviously very different styles.

Judkins is a early down, you know, grinder, the type of guy you can get a ton of volume to. And Henderson, much more of a complimentary style back. I think the Browns were just looking for a guy who's going to be able to carry a heavy load for them and be a big physical red zone guy. like he was he scored a ton of touchdowns for ohio state last year they kind of used him in those those situations um i think he's just kind of they saw him as an identity type of back and henderson is not that he's much more of a um you know past game past pro finesse isn't the right word but

he's much more of like an explosive outside guy and judkins is between the tackles just run up the gut you know do that kind of thing i i obviously liked henderson more i think explosive-wise, passing game-wise, he's much more valuable. But I understand why the Browns wanted to do it that way. I just didn't see him quite that high. I think Nick Chubbs is, unfortunately, done in Cleveland. I think the injury and just, you know, it was cool to see him come back for a bit, but he's a free agent.

Maybe the Brown's bringing back, honestly, just to, like, Quintchard Jenkins, see Chubb's work ethic or whatever. But I think Jenkins is a three-down back, and he's the future. I don't want to say Naji Harris or anything, because it's just kind of like a three-down back that doesn't have top-end speed. But I actually think Judkins is going to be really good. And I think this will work in Cleveland. So, yeah, it was cool to see the Ohio State guys go in the top 40.

Craig, you're on the clock. We mentioned them earlier, but the Texans taking both Iowa State wide receivers. So weird. They took Jaden Higgins, who again has many comps to Nico Collins, and then I took Jalen Knoll, who has many comps to Christian Kirk, who's on the Texans. The Texas wide receivers now, if you look at their depth chart. They have so many guys. Their receivers are kind of like, there are like nine deep.

There are like nine legitimate guys whose names that, like, you know. They have Nico Collins and Tankdale. Tankdale's coming off the injury. They now have these two rookies, Higgins and Noel. They have John Metchie the third. They have Christian Kirk. They have Justin Watson from the Chiefs. Braxton Barxton Marios is a name. People know probably just because of his girlfriend now. And then even Xavier Hutchinson was making a few plays last year. He was their former teammate, by the way, at Iowa State. Oh my God. Yeah, Hutchinson's the Texans are one third Iowa State receivers.

Yes. G, DK, did you feel like perhaps they only needed one of those guys looking at their wide receiver clash? Or is this is a sign that Tankdell is not going to play football? I mean, I think, yes, that's number one. It's the sign that Tankdell very likely not going to play football in 2025, or at least not until very late in the season. This just reeks to me of we had a pick.

He was by far our highest ranked player on the board. Both times? No, for Noel when they came back to him in the third round. Because I think obviously they loved Higgins. he was an early second round pick. They obviously were, they had a lot of conviction on that, I'm sure. And wanted to get a big, you know, ball winner compliment to Nico Collins. I think that makes sense.

And then my guess is when they came back to round three when they grabbed Noel, it was just like, man, he's still out here. And there were some random ass receivers that went before Noel. Dude, I was going to do that later. But, I mean, we could just talk about it. Now, there are, I'm not going to like a couple guys had never heard of wetting round three, usually I know all the receivers. The Lions traded two third round picks to move up in the third round to select Isaac Tesla. I think that's one of the worst trades I've ever heard.

Yeah. Isaac Tesla is a name I thought was funny and I'm like, I won't have to know who this guy is. If you look at me and maybe it looked like I've doubted the Lions before in their process and they end up making me look bad because they've developed really well. Two thirds. Fuck that. This is what you said last year where the Brad Holmes, the GM is feeling himself. So he's like, I'm going to just take my guys.

I got to trust my gut. Isaac, I mean, the trade, I don't have it in front of me, but I believe the lines traded. It was something like 102 or 98 or something to move up to 70, and they gave up two thirds next year to do that. I got news for you. Isaac Tesla would have been there 30 picks later when the lines were picking. You could have kept the two thirds next year.

You probably could have had him in the fourth round. Why are you trading two future thirds for a guy that you could get 50 picks later? Also, his name's Isaac Tesla. What the fuck is going on? I think it's so weird, too, because it's, to me, Tesla is the perfect example of a guy you take on day three. Oh, so it's Tesla. It's TZ capital S. Oh, yeah. You're right.

Sorry, Isaac Tisla. Tesla. Like, Kohl Sla. Yes. So he is hyper athletic, which you're going to love high. It's one of the best testing athletes at the combine this year. I think it was in the combine, whatever. He ran really fast, super explosive.

He's like 6-4-2-15, great size. Absolutely atrocious. production. There was like a stretch of games where he had like either one or no catches like at the end of the season where it's just like the production does not match the traits whatsoever. That to me is the profile of a player you take in the fourth or fifth round, not trade two future third round picks to take in the third. That's like verbated with Nick Sabin said in the broadcast.

He's like, this is not the kind of player. This is not. That profile is a day three pick. It's a super athlete. We think we can turn into a good football player. And he's also old. So I think it's just bizarre. Knowing the lions, like I said,

I'm trying to, you know, not cover my ass, but basically like knowing the lions, maybe they do turn him into a really good player. But like process-wise, this is terrible, I think. This is how the teams, lovable, wonderful teams like the lions fall back to earth.

Out over their skis on this. You lose six really respected assistant coaches and suddenly you're fucking trading future third. for Isaac fucking Tesla. Tesla. Tesla, sorry. It's T-Captal-S-L-A-A. Tesla.

Yeah. Also, he played before Arkansas. Division II, Hillsdale College. So he was a like a Wildcat quarterback or whatever, winged quarterback in high school. So there's some reasons

that it took them a little longer to develop. Basically, but like at the end of the day, they're betting on fabulous athletic traits and size. And I mean, he is really good at the catchpoint. He has good hands. He can go up and bring down a ball in traffic. You know, there's that. But, man, again, the profile and the process to me are awful.

Jalen Noel from the Texans going after nine picks after Isaac Tesla is one of those things where you scroll through all drafts. Tesla, sorry. But you know you scroll through old drafts are like, how did this receiver go after this receiver? Yes. This is what, it's rare to get them in real time. Isaac Tesla going nine picks before Jalen Noel to Texans is one of those that's going to stick out for a long time. So to circle back, that's what I think happened, Craig, is they were not expecting Noel to be there that late. And they're basically like, look, we don't really need another receiver right here, but this is such great value.

They probably had a good grade on him. Yeah. Let's feel the baseball team of receivers. Fuck it. And also it's like, you know, Metchy hasn't really panned out like the way they wanted him to. And he went through a lot of stuff. He had cancer, hit leukemia, I believe, and came back. And he's, I think, still getting his legs under him from that.

Maybe that's not a real thing. Or maybe that's not something that's going to work out for them. Christian Kirk is no guarantee. He's in the last year of his contract. They trade for a seventh round pick for him or something like that. Kirk is in the last year of his deal. So the Noel pick is basically like, look, this is our slot receiver of the future once like 2026 and beyond.

And it's just great value for them. It's a bummer. In my opinion, it's kind of a bummer to see him land there just because we're probably going to have to wait to see him play. But I really like Noel. I think he's a really exciting player. And obviously pairing him with CJ Stroud long term is, exciting.

Okay. I don't remember who's up in this fake draft a bit up. I think it's correct. I think it's D.K. I just did Houston. D.K. Let's pick something very similar.

And stick with teams taking an ordinate amount of skill players over and over and over. And we're talking about the Packers who after drafting Matthew Golden on day one came back and drafted Savian Williams.

Yeah, let's pull up this depth chart now. Oh, my God. Seriously, so many guys. yeah Romeo dubs Matthew golden jaden Reed Don tavian wicks Christian Watson Savion Williams McColl Hardman Then you add in like multiple tight ends Two tighters

Dave Musgrave right two last year Yeah Luke Musgrave Ed Tucker Kraft That's crazy Matt Lafleur just has 7 guys that would be a two or three at other teams It's incredible I really like Saviard Williams But he is 100% a developmental super freak athlete guy

that they used as like a wildcat runner, you know. Is he that or here's my question? Cordero Patterson kind of guy? Is he a Cordero Patterson? Is he being comp to Cordial Patterson because of the kick returning? When I first saw it's because of the running back stuff. Well, that's my thing.

You know who else kind of had running back history? The 49ers, not Debo. Branden Ayuk. And when I saw that, the Packers took them. I kind of thought Savvin Williams is almost like a IEbo IEuk hybrid for Green Bay. And I know that Jaden Reed,

Jaden Reed's kind of like a mini-Dipo. Jaden Reed is similar to Savian-O-Wil. Savon-Wil-Wilms is like 6-3, though. I know. So I kind of think that, like, I kind of wonder if Savion's actually almost, I-Uk, I know I-Uk became a better route runner, but like I-Uk wasn't necessarily some polished guy

coming out of the draft. You know what I mean? Like, it took some time. Yeah, there's upside there for sure. I mean, I had him in my top 100, Savi-O-N-Williams, and I think he's really. a fascinating player. Kai can

jump in here if he wants to talk about him, but he's very explosive, electric with the ball in his hands, doesn't really know how to run routes, hands are atrocious. However, that's a brutal combo. Hands are atrocious, however, he was incredible in contested catch situations. He just

dropped the easy ones. It was very bizarre. It was like he would go up and mossa guy come down in traffic and land on his back and still catch the ball. He had all these incredible catches on tape. kind of actually makes sense. You know, it's like playing baseball. Sometimes it's easier to catch a fly ball on the run than it is to just stand under it for 10.

100%. It's like, thinking about it. Well, there's a lot of times where he tried to start running before he caught it. And that was sort of a big problem for him. This is like our best take on the draft, which is the 40-yard dash should have people chasing you.

Because how are you supposed to get the adrenaline? Like, you should have someone to chase. Exactly. You got a kilo-Columbian, bam, bam, bam. That's what they should do get a cougar behind every player. There's a fucking cougar in the car. Get one of them hippos from Pablo Escobar.

Hipples can run like 30 miles and hour. Hippos are fastest shit. Hippos kill the most people on the continent. Did you know? I think I heard this and I don't know if I fact check it. So don't quote me on this. But I believe hippos can't swim. They just run along the bottom of the legs.

Yeah, that's correct. What the fuck. They're little cows. They're crazy, aggressive swimmers. Oh, man. They're aggressive walkers. Pound for pound the best athletes in the creature world. Dude, yeah.

Honestly, if you were going to have a lot. a team. Would hippos, hippos would be offensive lines? Yeah, because they're pack animals. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. HIPOs is crazy offensive line skills. We should a really good, like, May June episode for us is if you scout like animals.

Yeah, I actually think about it a lot when I'm like, that would be really funny. I'm like, dude, he had, he would have an insane three cone. D.K. does a job. The direction is, acceleration is fucking insane.

Holy shit. That's really funny. We maybe should do that. We should do that. I think the two episodes we should do again, I heard a lot of feedback last couple weeks that people loved the episode where we did the history of why every NBA team was called the team.

Every team name. We did it turn the NBA finals. We were like, so what's up with? I can't even remember a single thing. Wasn't there something funny about the magic? I remember what was the magic one? Wasn't that one funny? That was just Disney World.

Wasn't it like someone's daughter went to Disney World and liked it Oh yeah, it was the CEO's daughter went to, yeah, something like that. The other one there's Knickerbocker that was like a guy, but it was a fake guy written by some author. Oh, right. It was a hysterical character. Yeah. And then there's just the Nets.

They just wanted to rhyme with the Jets. Yeah, the Detroit Goldposts. Yeah. The Minnesota grass. So we'll do that again for hockey. I think we got to do a hockey episode and we'll do it in an animal draft. Let's do that hockey. All right.

So Packers, that's cool. I mean, it's also so funny. Aaron Rogers must be so pissed. Oh, my God. I love that. I want to do, I'm on the clock here. I got to tell you, I think the Cowboys crush this draft. I think as much as we joke about sticking Jerry in the vault, I think they did it.

I think him just spilling their board last year with Jonathan Brooks. I think he's back in the vault because Will McLeod. he's actually the guy who runs their drafts is incredible. The Cowboys, got Tyler Booker, which everyone's, I'm not going to lie, Tyler Booker to the Cowboys,

the Guard at Alabama is a class. Everyone's like, that's a reach. I'm like, Tyler Booker's going to start for 10 years for that fucking team, and he's going to make five all pro teams, and everyone's going to feel really stupid for saying that was a reach. Yeah,

I'm just, I'm very, like, maybe it's just, I think everyone has a much better finger on the pulse for your divisional rivals. I was horrified the moment the Cowboys took Tyler Booker. I can't believe people called that a reach.

And, then they come back in round two. They get Donovan Aziraku, the pass rusher to Boston College. But I think a lot of people thought might go ahead in the first round. I had him ranked in the first round. And Ezraq and Parsons, they kind of fit together, man. Like Ezrako. And Neelan from last year?

They have more Sean Neelons. Today have Parsons, who's like this obviously incredible athlete. But Ezraq is like this well-rounded guy where I don't want him on Dallas. And then they went in third round. They got Chivon Revel. I might be saying his name, Robel. I think I want to say his name Savon Ravel. Oh, yeah.

Sorry, it's Savon. Yes, I always know I can't get it right, but I get it backward how he can't get right. Yeah, Savon Revel, who's the cornerback from East Carolina, who has an ACL injury, right? And if he was a, if he was healthy, he would be like easily a first round pick. I think he'd be one of the three top four-backed. I don't know about easily, but he was kind of trending in that direction. Yeah, he was trending towards, I think a lot of people were saying, oh, he's going to be a first rounder, and then he missed the rest of the season with a torn ACL.

And there's questions with the ACL recovery, obviously, because he's going in the third round. And the Cowboys, I mean, they're just collecting injured defensive players because, you know, you have Trevon Diggs. has a knee injury. You have DeMarvin Overshown who's this awesome inside linebacker they have who's hurt. But dude, it doesn't have to be this year. If Revel sits out the whole year and comes back, this is everything Dallas needed.

Like another guard, a pass rusher, bringing back O'Dizua at defensive tackle. I'm like, I'm kind of pissed. I hate this. Dallas is doing a great job. I'm very upset. I mean, yeah, I like all their picks. I think three future starters for the team.

I really like the Zaraku. Not the tallest guy, but really long arms. Smart pass rusher uses his hands really well. So he's going to factor in on that pass rush rotation really well. And then Revelle has just really high upside. So I don't know if it's like there's no home. It's like three doubles here, but I like all those picks. Yeah, everything's on base.

Niners kind of did that too at a different way. But yeah, okay, DK, your pick. Let's see here. Let's see here. We want to talk about the Broncos? real quick. I thought one of the, this is sort of a,

I don't know if it's an important storyline, but from a fantasy point of view, it's kind of interesting. I didn't think as many running backs as expected came off the board in the first two days. And maybe that's because it's such a deep class. Teams are like,

I'm just going to take a running back on day three and get the better value there. But I thought there would be like 10 running backs on the first two days. I think it ended up being six. But RJ Harvey, the guy that we've talked about in the past and we were excited about,

ended up going to them in the second. round. And so obviously the Broncos were a team that we connected with Omar and Hampton before the draft. Like everyone's thinking they have a pretty barren running back core right now. It's just Joliel McCoughlin and Adrick Esme and then a couple other random dudes. And so Harvey could step right in here and be the starter, be a huge part of this offense. He's really, really twitchy, make guys missing a phone booth, explosive cuts.

incredible production. So I'm just really excited and I'm intrigued by this RJ Harvey on the Broncos pick. Yeah, I don't know if it's just because the Bo Nix pick worked, but I'm kind of convinced that whatever Sean Payton is doing now that he's kind of settled into his home. He's like set everything up where he wants it. Now I'm kind of starting to be convinced that like any pick that they make that, oh, RJ Harvey, like this is going to work.

And a lot of people are like comparing him to Bucky Irving, D.K., you compared him to Devante Freeman. Complimentary. Devonte Freeman was good for a little while there. Yeah, yeah, just a little undersized, but like a really elusive, you know, physical runner. Harvey, honestly, he's like if Bucky Irving was a little faster, and I think that what you said, D.K., that make people miss in a phone booth, I think that, you know, I think that as the generations move on,

people increasingly don't know what phone booths are, but they used to be like small spaces where you, very tight quarters. Just means if you're getting squared up with a defender in a small area, he could make that guy miss. A lot of running backs are like, oh, I'm fucked at this point, and it's fall over. But he really has that elusiveness. He's a big playback. I saw this stat.

He produced 32 rushes of 15 plus yards, which is second only to Genti. Yeah. And he's really good at doing that thing where he kind of like drafts off his blockers, kind of waits for the blocks to set up and then scoots through the line when the defender over commits one side or the other. Just a smart, savvy elusive runner. Craig, want to wrap this thing up? Yeah, to continue the Raiders vibe train that just keeps on moving,

they take the receiver Jack Besh Just, you know Go frogs Oh right Kai hop in if you want But I like how Kai didn't hop in Yeah Kai didn't come in

Yeah Kai's like I have nothing to say Guy hates all these guys No he texted us go frogs Which is kind of the lead Oh he texted it again Go Frogs 2X Just kind of the least possible effort from Kai But thank you

He says bash over Savian is his take Which is thanks I mean no offense Kai but very obvious Yeah, so now the Raiders took Ash and Jenny, they have Jack Bash, the receiver out of TCU, two offensive linemen, and then they took Darian Porter, the corner out of Iowa State. But just rounding out the offense, the vibes, everything going on in Vegas. Jack Bash, she had this tragic story of his brother dying, the terrorist attack in New Orleans on January 1st, and just seems like an all-around great character guy to have on the team. And, yeah, like we've been saying, I mean, Vegas is going to be a team that I think a lot of people root for this year.

I think the Raiders are officially the most likable team entering the season. We're really high on the list. I think that they're like very easily the darling. If you take out the teams that are legit. Like the bills don't count anymore. Like the bills are like a real Super Bowl contender. They've been a real Super Bowl contender for five years. I think they've graduated to they're just a contender.

And I think they're the team I would most want to win the Super Bowl right now. But the Raiders are like the underdog. I think the Raiders are clearly the underdog of the NFL. Having Ashen Gentie, having Pete Carroll coming back. I think now Pete Carroll reminds anyone. like he's like either you or your dad or your grandfather or whatever Pete Carroll is like a lovable guy Chip Kelly I don't know if he's likable but everyone else is awesome Gino Smith like and then the Jack Bech thing is just like I Jack Bess being the cherry on top of all this the Raiders are the absolute

darling of the 2025. What is your comp for Jack Bish? Let's see here. There's West Welker. There's Julian Edelman. There's Eric Decker. I do think I'm pretty sure I did come him to a white guy. Hold on.

You did come up to Eric Yeker. Who's Alex Earle's boyfriend? I would say, Craig, my initial comp for him was Josh Palmer. Sort of a big physical possession receiver. A guy can get you first downs. The reason I switched to Decker is... Stud and derated, can kind of do it all. I switched to Decker because if my memory is serving correctly,

he played in the slot a lot when he was with, like, with the Jets especially. Scrappy, great. No, he's like a big power slot. Jim Rat. Yeah, Coach's son. but like so the the fact that I think Besh could really operate out of the slot be really good I saw someone talking about this like Bowers and Besh have kind of similar

skill sets and I think Gino really likes passing in that short intermediate area quick get the ball out let the guy do his thing I think Gino's going to have a great connection with this guy but like big picture and I really like Besh I think this is a great pick the big picture is and I mentioned this on our show after round one but the round two picks and round three picks for them has really kind of like hit this home for me is like Pete Carroll and SpyTech and Brady and everybody else that's involved in the decision making is like they are laying the foundation for the future of this team by getting these really gritty guys that are you know going willing to go the extra mile strain all the words that Pete Carroll loves to use he's why do you say strain strain strain is a word that they use all the time it's like if if you're willing to strain

and work extra, extra hard to get that one little extra 1% out of every workout of every thing you do. They use the word strain a lot. And so I don't know. I got like indoctrinated by Pete Carroll over 14 years of listening to him talk. But Darien Porter, a great example of this, like a former receiver, super elite athlete, but he was a former receiver, had to switch positions. There was kind of a long learning curve to that.

He played special teams. Shemone. Outstanding special teams player. I was reading this in The Beast from Dan Brugge. And Dan Bruggeau does amazing background on all these guys. I believe I just remember reading that he was like one of their favorite players in that program. Like he worked really hard. But I'm just like seeing a lot of through lines with, you know, high character,

foundational type guys that are going to set the culture of this new team. And like the synergy that they'll help create is going to make them a better team than their talent really has right now on paper. Hearing you talk about all of that, now I'm no longer surprised that they didn't take Shador. It just feels like something that is not the right fit for what they're trying to do.

It's not. There's a toughness. And also they traded back, which I think is good because I think sometimes... Yeah, they picked up a bunch of extra picks too. Yeah, when you have Tom Brady... When you have Tom Brady or Chip Kelly

or... And I say Chip Kelly because I think there's a tremendous advantage to having a guy who's been in college for like 15 years. Shield Capotti made fun of me or Ringer Collie because he's like, look at the last time Chip Kelly

tried to get guys he recruited But there is an advantage to having like a better idea of the draft class when it's like Jim Harbaugh, Pete Carroll back in Seattle. Like, well, you've been recruiting these guys since high school and you've been in the living room. It's like, you're so far ahead of everyone. And sometimes you could be like, oh, I want to go move up and go get that guy. The humility to move back and be like, we know this class inside out, whatever we get guys. We're going to have the opportunity to recruit. I'm sorry to like add guys.

So the Raiders moving back multiple times. And they took two offensive tackles back to back. 90th, 99. Caleb Rogers at a Texas Tech, Charles Grant, William and Mary. I don't know if they're going to be good, but I like the volume throwing darts that just say, we need off of the line. Just go get, you know,

I think that's the kind of thing where it starts to make up for having Gentie at running back in the first round. It's like, all right, we took two tackles back to back. I love that. So really fun. Raiders being good again

would be great for the NFL. They're like up there with the bears of like the week is better when the Raiders are good. Totally. It's just an iconic franchise. Yeah. Yeah.

So, all right. I think that's most of it for day two to me. I will throw a couple compensatory picks in the end here of just other things I want to talk about. Undrafted Free Agent Thing, last topic here. So there was a commercial during the draft for the Hulu show for Chad Powers. Oh yeah, with Glenn Powell. I think, so just for people who don't know, Chad Powers was like a made-up, it was a bit, I think, by Red Bull, where they dressed up Eli Manning.

I don't know who did it first, Eli Manning or Jared Goff. And they dressed him up and they sent him to like a walk-on practice. Yeah, they sent Eli to a walk on practice at some college. And they dressed him up, and he's Elon Manning. And it was like a whole bit. And they were like, reveal his Eli at the end. And it was so successful he did it as Jared Gough was then Chad Powers. And then they made a third one with Baker.

I barely watched it because I'm like, how many times are going to do this? Oh, I didn't even know they did one with Baker. That's the point. The third video didn't even get traction because I'm like, I get it. Like you dressed up the guy and then no one knew. And then, oh my God, they do. This is now a TV show. And the reason I bring this up is Craig, you're, you do the town.

podcast with Matt Bellany, you produced that, and you guys do Hollywood every week. I think I would like to inform you of something. This is the bubble. This commercial for this Hulu show reminded me of the scene in the big short where the stripper owns five houses. Yeah. There are too many fucking TV. The YouTube series for Chad Powers that I wouldn't even watch the third video has now

been made into a television show, presumably for millions of dollars, this whole thing is going to collapse. This is like the caveman show that happened for like a series. That's how I felt watching it. I'm like, who paid for this? I think a more similar comp to this is Uncle Drew, perhaps. Which was made into a movie, which you might not remember. But those videos were epic, though.

Those were much better quality. Yeah, I do think that, I don't know. I think Glenn Powell's pretty reliable. Glenn Powell's sports comedy. I don't know. Wait, is Glenn Powell the guy? I didn't even realize he was. I didn't really watch that.

commercial that closely. So it's like I'm kind of like I hear what you're saying. Well, now I'm kind of in, actually. But I think people don't even need to know about the Eli Manning thing at all, and they'll still just think this is a funny concept. I'm not going to know it was Chad Powers. Ironically, the disguise is really good. I'm kind of in now that it's Glenn Powell.

Yeah. Maybe I should watch it. Yeah. Damn. It's kind of just like a funny idea for a TV show, and most people aren't going to know that Eli Manning thing. I'm like, who cares? Yeah, that's a good point.

All right. Well, now I'm in. All right. Anything else in the draft you want to talk about before we get out of here? Did you guys see the NFL rivalries announcement that they made that the Nike made at the draft today? I saw it and then I looked back at my phone. It's not that big of a deal, but I did. Well, I kind of wanted to talk about it briefly.

They announced that they're going to be doing a New Jersey theme where they're going to basically announce rivalries. It'll be like Bears Packers or something, I guess. But they will make specific jerseys so that when the Bears and Packers play, they will be wearing. It's the first jersey like innovation. I think the NFL has done since the disaster of the cops. color rush, which is the worst thing it's ever having in the league. The people who are colorblind couldn't tell the difference between.

There's like the jets and the bills. Yeah, but now this is like, you know, the NBA kind of does stuff like this, but yeah, this is basically like rivalries. There's going to be specific jerseys for when teams are playing their rivals. I gotta be honest. I kind of don't hate it. Yeah, that's cool. I like that. Yeah. I think it's kind of cool. I mean, there should be more jerseys. Like

if they're good, have they released what they look like? No, I don't believe so. They're also, you can wear your throwbacks four times this year versus I think it was. Again, The draft is fucking figuring out anything they can do to keep your attention. They are announcing that they will be doing a jersey theme, but not showing us with jerseys.

Yeah, announcing a jersey thing without having even a visual of any kind. It's incredible. Like, I wish they gave a date. Like, we will be releasing the rivalries jerseys on June 10th. At some point, the NFL has better communication than many workplaces. You know what I mean? Yeah. Craig, real quick, before we go.

Yeah. Speaking of jerseys, I thought it was fun. that Caleb Johnson, the Iowa running back, went to the Steelers who have like I was making the joke. You don't even have to like do a Photoshop. I'm obsessed. I have a mental log of players who've never had to change

color schemes. T. Higgins going from Clemson to the Bengals. I love when players just have like a theme color thing all through. Yeah. And I've kind of been against Caleb Johnson for the last two months. Go watch some highlights. Oh, I've watched him. He just, to me, he's

the bad version. of Derek Henry. And maybe he'll end up being the good version. I saw Nate, Nate's calling him, Honey, I shrunk the Derek Henry. Yeah, he's mini Derek Henry.

He's Derek Henry before we liked Derek Henry. And Arthur Smith offense, there might be something there. And Jalen Warren. It's literally like the Dionne Lewis and Derek Henry just the younger, smaller versions of them. The other one thing I wanted to add before we go is I think the Jets are having

a good draft. I know that we make fun of the Jets a lot. Honey, I think the Jets are having a good job. Armand Mambu, Mason Taylor. That's a perfect runout for them to get the right tackle at seven. Yeah, and then get the third best tight end in the second round. I don't think you could have played it better.

The Jets just didn't have a tight end under contract after this season. And they get Mason Taylor. And also, Azariah Thomas, who had a great video when he got drafted. I think it was his mom sitting next to him. We're a family member, and she was just let out like a two-minute-long scream.

It was amazing. So I don't know about it. I really like that draft for the Jets. They're just taking good play. players. We almost forgot the most important thing that happened the whole night, which was Quinchon Judkins, the Browns called him to draft him. And he wasn't there. His mom answered the FaceTime and they were laughing. And then ESPN implied that he was taking a shit. And then he says, he said, no, no, no, I was getting lemonade, which I get because of one hand,

that's what he came back pretty quickly. But also, I would also get a half. of that if people thought I was taking shit when I got the call. So he just said he was peeing? No, he said he was getting drunk in the kitchen. Oh. No, he wasn't he wasn't meeting before. He said I was in the kitchen. Don't you think, I mean,

take the phone with you. Or like, yeah, that's what I was thinking. Exactly. You're 21 years old. You don't have your phone on you that? Why are you doing giving your phone to somebody to go get lemonade? He left it on the couch. You're waiting for the most important call of your life.

What's the one-year-old leaves their phone on a day you're actually expecting a call. Also, like, you could get drafted at any moment. Maybe somebody could bring you lemonade today. You know? No, but he's, he's, I love that about him. He's like, I'm not letting anyone else do the work for me. There's 20 people jammed in your living room.

One of them can't get your glass of lemonade. That's a great point. That's a good, you could have just asked. Maybe. So do you think you, because I will say, I, I, I actually, he probably had nervous poops. Who wouldn't? Who heard the McCordy story of Devin McCordy? the Patriots, obviously he's twins, Jason McCordy, Devin McCordy,

Devin McCordy, who goes in the first round of the Patriots like 10 years ago and he told the story that he was taking a shit. No way. Did Jason fill in for him? Jason took the call. Belichick didn't know that story. That feels like a show on Hulu. Yeah. Jason, yeah, like that's the Chad Powers. He's a twin. You don't know it until the end. It's like, you know, I was going to say a movie, but I don't want to spoil it.

But yeah, it's like that movie. But, um, oh, I know you're going to say. Yeah. But Belichick didn't know the McCordy story until like seven years later. No way. Well, it's his twin. What are you going to do? Fucking call him on it?

Like, what? Is it your body double? What are you going to say? Well, you'd think, like six months in, you'd tell the coach what happened. I don't think he found out until the Patriots traded for Jason Cordy like seven years later. I feel like I would tell them. Tell my coach. Who cares?

But, yeah, right. Well, there are twins that are fraternal and identical. But there are some twins that are like fucking identical. And the courties are like identical. Yeah. Yeah. Like they've got the same DNA. Or they have the same fingerprints.

There should be a global twin database where there's a ranking of the twins that look careful asking for government database I'm just saying I want to know which twins look the most similar in the world I would love to look at that list

Oh Craig this reminds me Good news, good news, 23 in me is for sale so we can find out Craig I just reminds me I saw a series that a photographer was doing artists of some sort or trying to find people who aren't related

Yes they went around and like found a bunch of random people who were not related who looked exactly the same. It was so weird and kind of cool to look at. Wait, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. The same, but it's like doppelgators. Have you seen the photo?

So no one's getting to know this. But so Sam Shuby, who is a editor here at the Ringer, who has since left, I mean, a long time ago, looks exactly like Jack Antonoff. Like identical. And one, and so this was just like a joke that was lightly. And then one day

he puts a photo in Slack and it's he was getting into a cab and Jack Antonoff was getting out of the cab in New York City and they were wearing the same fucking clothes what? They were wearing the same glasses it was the Matrix fucked up it was the Matrix fucked up like this like they were both wearing a Mets hat with the same

glasses the same shirt the same shirt it literally was like a simulation and they got out and they were like is that me and they took this photo and it's the same jacket it was so funny man I love that stuff The world's weird. Kind of makes sense.

You'd think there'd be enough people in the world now that there's a bunch of people that look like. Yeah. All right. Anyway. So we're going to have another show Sunday. We're going to record it. But we're going to put it up at least from first thing Monday morning. Maybe Sunday night.

We'll see. And then we're going to have more shows. After we're going to more. I didn't. It's not over. We'll be having shows next week and we'll continue making them. And then we'll after that we'll have more shows. We're not leaving.

And then every week there will be shows. And then eventually, yeah. Tonight I will eat dinner and then tomorrow breakfast, followed by another dinner, followed by breakfast the next day. No lunch? Yeah, that was weird. Yeah, I guess that is weird. Thank you, D.K., thank you. Sometimes I only do two meals.

Yeah, that's fair. I try to do that sometimes. I kind of do like a brunch, but I just eat lunch food and then I had dinner. Yeah. I like waiting on breakfast long enough that you can kind of have a huge one of these wait until dinner and have to, which is the opposite. if I was supposed to eat, but it's fun. There's very... Two giant bills.

Yeah. Anyway, thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you, Kyle. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, everyone for listening to the draft. Thank you. I was going to say, should do it work,

but he didn't really do anything. No, but he... Not yet. What did he tweet? He tweeted something today, I forget. He's still locked in. Thank you, God, for everything. I think it was something like that.

Yeah. Thank you, Lord. Lord. Thank you, Prince. I would like to point out. Oh, wow. And someone named Adam pointed this out on Blue Sky to me. I was talking about how the Panthers took Nick Skorton and Prince Lee Uman-Mealan today, which I liked.

And Adam points out, the Panthers now have a Michael Jackson, a Bobby Brown, and a prince on their roster. Whoa. That's fucking funny. Yeah. Holy shit. That's cool. That's actually wild. Now I'm like looking at the roster, see if they have any other famous singers, artists.

Big news. This was reported on April 9th. Hawk to a girl, Haley Welch, has landed a guest spot in the Glenn Powell, Chad Power Show. Lord. No way. Yeah. I don't know why Yahoo is reporting this, but they did. Yeah.

So look out for. It's a cameo, so I guess she's playing herself. God, is Chad Power is going to go on Talk to It in the show? That's kind of sick. I'm kind of in. I kind of want to watch Chad Powers now. Oh, yeah. I'm definitely going to watch that show.

But that's like Talk to It in the show? I don't know. That's good. No, that's good stuff. That's good process. That's good Scrimshaw. The problem is they probably shot it before her podcast, like, before all of her problems. Before the crypto fraud thing.

Right. All of her alleged issues, misdoings. So anyway. But hey, if you need to cut that scene and you want Chad Powers to go on a different show, if anybody who works at Hulu's listening are, we're available. If Chad Powers wants to come on this show in the show,

yeah, hit us up. Email to ringerfancy football atchemill.com. Or email my real email. You can find that one. I heard what you said, Craig. What'd you say? If Chad Powers wants to come on our show.

Yeah. I was like, where are you going with this? Very, very deliberate and unfortunate pause by you. A pregnant pause, as it were.

Yeah. Anyway, Glenn, come on. Glenn's a fan of the ringer. Hell yeah. Maybe. It's not a, we have a non-zero chance.

Non-zero, yeah, that's a good way to put it. So you're telling me there's a chance. The other Panthers player they have is Josie Jewel, who's not a pop singer,

but that just sounds like a pop singer from the 80s. It does. Yeah. The only starting linebacker that just sounds like you should have been singing with Josie Jewel was hanging out with the Beach Boys back in the day when they were getting involved in the walls down. And hang out with Charles Manson and company. We got a bad email.

Uh-oh. Someone's, I said the Beach Boys were doing their thing 40 years ago. And someone was like, I hate to tell you, but it was 60 years ago. Christ, it was 60 years ago. I was like, holy shit, it was 60 years ago. That's fucked. What the 60s? The 60s being 60 years ago is horrific.

That's bad. That's bad. Because you know what's bad? The thing that back to the future, if it was now, would be set in like 1997, that factoid is now like five years old. Christ, that's like when I was in high school. Back to the future. They go to 2024, I think. Right?

No, it's 2015 because that's when the Cubs were supposed to win the World Series. And then they won the World Series in 2016, which was crazy. like they really almost nailed the Cubs one of the World Series, which is another Matrix Glitching thing. We live in a weird world. Do you guys think the world's a simulation? Sometimes.

When they program that in my brain, yes? They don't want you to know, so it's like saying it, because is it so crazy or am I too sane? Is it so sane? Dude, it's like Kramer. I'm at the nexus of the universe. First and first.

All right. Goodbye, everyone.