The Ringer NFL Show - Sleepers 2.0

Episode Date: August 29, 2022

With the NFL season under two weeks away and fantasy draft season heating up, we release our updated list of sleepers and place them into three categories: light sleepers, classic sleepers, and deep sleepers. We finish the show by reading a few listener-submitted emails. (01:01) - News (16:38) - Michael Carter, Jets (20:37) - Chase Edmonds, Dolphins (23:54) - Dallas Goedert , Eagles (26:16) - JuJu Smith-Schuster, Cheifs (29:44) - David Nkoku, Browns (33:23) - Jahan Dotson, Commanders (37:03) - Wan’Dale Robinson, Giants (42:58) - Jeff Wilson, 49ers (46:55) - Ameer Abdullah, Raiders (48:53) - Brevin Jordan, Texans (50:49) - Jaylen Warren, Steelers (52:53) - Zay Jones, Jaguars (54:21) - Emails Check out The Ringer’s Fantasy Football Rankings for tiers, sleepers, and more! Email us! [e-mail]. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hey, what's up, everyone? Before we begin today's show, we are doing a Reddit, Ask Me Anything on the Fantasy Football subreddit on Tuesday, August 30th, at noon Eastern. You can ask us whatever you want. And again, it's an AMA. It'll be fun. Check that out at Reddit.com slash R slash Fantasy Football. That's noon Eastern on Tuesday, August 30th. In a fantasy football show, my name is Danny Hypefins, and I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Horacek, and today we are going through our sleepers for this season. This is crazy. The NFL season begins in 10 days. and for everyone who is still as a draft between now and then,

we're going to give you our sleepers because things evolve. I mean, a month ago, if you'd listen, D.K., Craig gave you Damien Pierce. Boom, now we shut up like a hundred spots. So we're doing sleepers again because, you know, where guys are going always changes. So we're staying ahead of the curve. First, some news.

Washington running back Ryan Robinson, Jr., was actually shot multiple times on Sunday night. He apparently was the victim in a robbery or a carjacking. He is in stable condition. His injuries are not considered life-threatening. so he is stable. But luckily, I mean, obviously it's amazing that he's all right. You know, we have no idea when he's going to play football again

and football, especially fantasy football is like the last thing in the world that matters. But that is what we talk about. So it kind of creates this really weird situation where Brian Robinson had kind of beaten Antonio Gibson for the starting job, it seemed like. Yeah, per multiple beat reporters, it seemed as though he'd moved it ahead of Gibson. So this obviously changes things and gives, you know, with that like the rest of sounding completely tasteless like this is a good opportunity for Antonio Gibson

to be the starter again for Washington which is just crazy to say. So, you know, clearly we have to move him up the board because of the situation. And we don't know when Brian Robinson's going to be back. It sounds like he was shot in the glutes and in the lower leg somewhere.

Yeah, multiple times in the lower body. So obviously that adds a bunch of uncertainty. Is he going to be able to run? How quickly are those wounds going to hill? He's out of certain. It sounds like he's going to be discharged from the office or from the hospital soon if he hasn't already. So again, like thankfully not life-threatening, but this does change the situation in Washington, clearly. I know.

I mean, you know, strictly speaking fantasy football, I mean, the vibes are horrible around Antonio Gibson, like these past three weeks. Brian Robinson really looked like he was going to be the guy. And now it's really, I mean, it's Antonio Gibson. It's J.D. McKissick. And this is probably going to look a lot more like it did last season where, you know, Antonio Gibson had. a thousand yards. They were at the prettiest, but, you know, he might need to be back in, I mean, we had him way lower than most people. We have him down past 100 pretty much. So, you know, do you guys think he should probably be up in the kind of Miles Sanders, J.K. Dobbins,

world again? Yeah, I think he's back there because this is, it was a three-man backfield that's kind of back to being a two-person backfield, even if to the coaching staff, it's like, they begrudgingly have to play Antonio Gibson now, but they begrudgingly have to play Antonio Gibson now. Yeah. So he's still not like an exciting guy because he's still at the end of that he don't really want running back on a bad offense with the coaching staff that doesn't like him. But he has the job now, which is bizarre. But here we are. So when we update our rankings this week, which will be very soon, we'll have Antonio Gibson up.

And I think Craig's right, probably exactly in that like Miles Sanders range. Other news, Najee Harris, we have known that Najee Harris, the Steelers running back, has had a foot injury for a month. We finally got some specificity. He played in Pittsburgh's final preseason game this weekend. And afterward, Najee Harris revealed that he has a lizard. Frank's brain. I don't know if that's bad or it just sounds bad. So, D.K., is it, like, bad that Najeehas has a foot sprain? It's not good. I mean, yes, it's not good. This isn't good.

But the flip side is, is there a world where it's good news? Because we've known Nashiris is a foot injury. And now that we know what it is, it sounds bad. But he also just played in the preseason. And if the Steelers were worried about him, like, would he be playing and would they be telling us this? I feel like this information coming out is probably like a good thing. I don't know because didn't we hear earlier that he we had heard that he'd got stepped on and so that to me was like much less worrisome than a list frank which is a scary scary word when it comes to

fantasy football and you know just skill position players in general but based on what I've seen from you know looking at the different you know experts on Twitter about this like it's one of those things where it's like low to moderate risk of of getting worse it's not something that we need to completely freak out and drop him dramatically in our rankings or whatever. But it is something to consider,

especially for a guy on the Steelers who have, in the past used the guy very, very heavily, like 300 plus touches or whatever. This is a little bit worrisome. So I would say, you know, Craig, I think you mentioned you're going to move him down a little bit. It's one of those things where you have to kind of keep this in mind. And maybe there's a, this is a reason, like, to,

is this a tiebreaker between him and, you know, one of these other guys in the exact same range? probably for me. Yeah, he also has a history of foot injuries. This kind of has dated back to his time in college. So anytime a guy is getting 300 plus touches and loves to hurdle people and has a foot injury. The hurdle.

And I don't love it. Yeah. So what does this mean? If you guys are drafting this week, like you're drafting like today and this is all the information we're getting about this. Are you still going to take nausea in the first round? To be honest with you, maybe it's just the word list rank is scaring me. And if it was called something else, I'd feel a lot better.

but I now think I would rather have like Mixing Sequin you know, Derek Henry What if we never heard the word Liz Frank? What if we just heard it's foot sprain? It's still scary, man. I mean, anytime these like big bruising running backs have a foot injury, I mean, that's the last thing

you want to see. So how far does he fall? So like, let's be real. I think like early second round. He's still at the first second turn and he's probably going to be in terms of where his ADP is going to be it's probably going to be still right in that area.

I might honestly take guy like Alvin Camara, Joe Mixon, even Leonard Furnett, potentially, over him now at this point, even though the volume is going to be next. Because if you're worried about his health, like, at what point do you be like, oh, well, I wouldn't take it a nine, but like 16. Like, if you're worried about his health, you're worried about his health.

So if he's, if we had him, you know, we knew he had a foot injury, but again, getting stepped on sounds different. We had him basically as a top 10 player. Right. But now you're like, okay, Camara over him, Fournette, is he a second round player? It feels like we're, I understand that it sounds like we're sort of, you know, not saying anything here,

but like by dropping him four or five spots because you're still going to take him high. But it does, I think when you're talking about like the certainty of some of these guys up in the early first round or in the back half of the first round, I'm just not as confident taking him there.

So I know it's splitting hairs a little bit, but yeah, I'd move him probably towards more like 13, 14, 15. It's also weird that he's been playing. You know, they say he's four weeks into the recovery of his LISFranc injury and it's a four to six week recovery. I don't know why he's been playing then. So it's like that guy...

No, he hasn't really been practicing very much. This is like the first time. He played in the preseason game two weeks ago or two days ago. But that's the point though. This is him coming back. And that's kind of the point where I say, I know it maybe it sounded like a hot take, but I'm serious when I'm like, is it good news. And what I'm saying is, I'm not saying it's good that he's a foot injury.

I'm saying that we've known he's a foot injury. And it has recovered on the earlier end of the timeline enough that they're playing him in the preseason. I don't understand why they're playing him. It's my question. Then I'm playing him because he's not, I guess that's my point. They're not playing him because he's behind schedule. You know what I mean? They're playing him because he's healthy enough to play in the preseason.

Yeah. So is that in and of itself evidence to not push him out of this? You know what I mean? To not push him too far down. That's kind of what I'm saying. Okay. Well, then so where do you have them? So I think that, I think, well, I guess the point to what D.K. said is that this is one of those things where a ranking doesn't really convey sometimes what we want to say.

And so I think that the answer with Naji is if you're kind of like, look, he's playing, who cares? Like, you know, he's recovered enough that they're putting him in a preseason game and you're not that worried about it. I mean, now you can get a discount on him. At the same time, if you're like, I don't want to take a running back who has sprained his foot in August. What are you guys talking about? Then you don't have to take him in the top 30. I understand that logic. Like, that totally makes sense.

I think if I were on the conservative end and I'm like, I'm a little nervous about this, I could see not taking Naji honestly to like, we have Nick Chubb. at like 31. Maybe there's a world where you don't even want to mess with an injured running back until the Nick Chub territory.

On the other hand, I also think you could basically keep them where it's at and where D.K. is, I would say now on the higher end, like right around Alvin Camara, around like, you know, that's 13, 14.

But anywhere in that range is okay because we have so little information here. And let's be real, this is a psychological element. Most people don't want to, everyone's biggest fear in fantasy is your first or second round running back getting hurt.

And so there's a point where some people are like, I don't want to deal with this shit. Yeah, it's my, It's my whole point behind why I like a receiver in the first round is I don't want to have to deal with a running back injury and already knowing that Najee Harris has something going on with his foot,

a list rank injury. If we rank him below Leonard Fournett, let's say now, that doesn't mean that we think if they both play 17 games that Leonard Fournett's going to have a better season than Najee Harris. It just means our confidence percentage on Najee is low enough that we would not take him in the first round. Right. Also, the thing about Najee is he's maybe in this group

like the most dependent on volume because we're not, I think super bullish on this offense. In general, we don't even know who the quarterback's going to be for the full season. It's trending towards Trubisky. They haven't announced it, but I think Pickett did enough during the preseason to maybe threaten that halfway through the year.

This could be one of those seasons for the Steelers where things are really iffy, I guess, you know, and the offensive line hasn't really shown a time. T.J. Wat got hurt. Deonti Johnson, shocker, hurt his shoulder. I was about to say they're expected to be okay, Tomlin said, but Tomlin also said

that now as you got his footstep done, which I'm not a doctor. Like, for all I know, Now Harris did get his foot stepped on and that led him his injury. So, like, I don't know. But they certainly, you know, Liz Frank, it's just a scary word. Some words are just scary. You just don't want a 240-pound running back who's supposed to get 300 carries having a foot issue.

Yeah, that's a good point. So I think that, again, it's sometimes it's hard. We always talk about anchoring and like we're committed. We love Najee coming in the season so much. But if I'm being honest, like, if you're in your favorite draft, your favorite leagues draft today, I feel like considering how many other running backs are around I might be a little gun shy

if Javante Williams and Najee are on the board now because of exactly what D.K. just said about the volume thing, the whole argument with Najee is like, well, the Steelers are one of the last teams left that will just play their running back, five out of every six snaps. And if that goes away,

I might take Javante over Najee right now. And yeah, maybe in that Nick Chubb range. And if we get word from, the Steelers this week that, no, they're really, really not concerned. Maybe that'll change. Maybe we're being too reactionary, but I don't know. This is also like maybe we are being too reactionary, but like Derek Henry last year missed half the season with a foot injury. That was a broken foot.

I know, but still like a big guy, depending on volume with a foot injury, like that sets off alarm bells. You know what I mean? So I guess that's also just psychological at some point. It's just you draft a running back and you're coming in. you're like, oh, it's still August, and this guy has that cue next to him, and it's going to be there all year. That kind of sucks.

So that's the Naja thing. That's really unsatisfying. But yeah, huge range outcomes. We've no idea what's going to happen. And I guess, generally speaking, you probably want to be conserved, which is freaking brutal because we love Naji. Yeah. Another, and again, our updated fantasy football rankings will be at fantasyfurtle.com.

Those will be coming this week. One last piece of news, Alex Madison, the Vikings running back at like handcuffed de jure. who is like a top five guy every time Dalvo Cook is out, is maybe on the trade block, apparently like a dozen teams called about trading him. It makes sense.

I mean, he's in the last year of his contract in real life. It totally makes sense to trade a running back in the last year if he's going to walk in free agency. I'm curious what you think this means D.K., for two reasons.

One, if he doesn't get traded, do you think him being available is a sign that, again, Vikings have a new jam, they have new coaching staff? Is Alex Madison, like, still the kind of handcuff? We think, like, basically the best handcuff along with Tony Pollard, probably better.

Or maybe is that going to change? Or do you think that actually Alex Madison might have value if you go somewhere else? It's very tough because I struggle with the whole running back on the trade market thing. Because, like, who's going to give up anything for a running back? There's just so many running backs in the NFL. And there's so many, like, quality rookies coming into league every single year. So to me, I just struggle with. Maybe it's some NFL team that has donkeys for GM are going to trade.

begging the Chargers to get a better running back. The Chargers are maybe like the one team that this makes sense for, in my mind. Echler and Madison. Also, stylistically, those guys are different, and it would be fun. Yeah, I think if the Chargers trade for Madison, I'd be like, okay, I get it. But at the same time, it's like, dude, there's going to be probably 12 running backs on the, you know, waiver wire this weekend that are get cut that I'm like would be better than freaking Joshua Kelly or Larry. Yeah, like Ronald Jones or something.

Yeah. So here's my question, because Madison is good. He's had injuries. but that's the question that this leads to is why is this happening? If we're assuming, maybe we're wrong. I don't think any team's going to give up a third round pick for Madison,

but maybe they have to give up a fourth. And you're like, well, maybe they'd have to give up a fifth. They're like, okay, well, why are the Vikings going to take a fifth for Alex Madison? And then the next question is, is he even really just going to be the backup? Or is this new coach, new regime coming in saying,

we like these other guys. They've got, I'm going to botch this pronunciation. K-E-N-E-K-A-N-Wang-W? No-W. Olympic-level speedster that is kind of trying to learn running back, and they have the rookie Ty Chandler. Do you think one of those guys,

if Madison leaves, might be like the hand. I feel like the Wong-Wu probably has the inside track to be the handcuffs. Yeah, and it seems as though he's gotten reps in front of Chandler during the preseason. But here's the deal, and here's why I think Madison is, quote-unquote, on the block.

Because Wangwu and Chandler, Thai Chandler, rookie out of North Carolina, have both looked really good in the preseason. They're both explosive. They both created big plays. I think they both can be utilized in the past, game. Again, this just goes to my point.

There's like a million running backs. And so if the Vikings were able to dangle Madison, who is, by the way, not going to stay in Minnesota after this year anyway, maybe they can get something worthwhile. Again, at the same time, though, like, you know, he could be a guy that down the line next

year nets you a comp pick if he signs a big contract in free agency. There's a lot of uncertainty there because you don't have to account for, like, who the Vikings are signing in free agency and all that. There's a lot of variables. So if the Vikings can get something for him, maybe. They would just go ahead and do that because they have confidence in their two backups now.

They're like one of the deepest teams at running back right now in the NFL. Plus everything you said about new coaching staff, you know, that isn't necessarily connected to Madison. So, yeah, I don't know. There's maybe something to this. I think I saw the report that 12 teams have called, which I'm just like. I said that. Well, there was the, this was the report, but I, yeah, okay, sure. Like maybe if you want to swap seventh or something like that.

Yeah, like what is the offer? like fantasy football trade offers where somebody just offers you like a bunch of garbage throw in. I received many offers for Justin Jefferson. If you're debating drafting Alexander Madison now and you might be worried that he could be traded, I would say that even if he does get traded, it's likely only to a situation that is equal to the one he's in now or better. Right. Right. So I wouldn't worry about wherever he lands because clearly the team that's going to acquire him wants him and plans to use him. All right, let's get into some sleepers. And we've got, sleeper. Sleepers is, it's kind of a weird place because it means the word means different things to different people.

Sometimes people want a sleeper and they're just like, cool, give me a good guy in like the middle rounds. Some people want a guy you've never heard of and then there's regular ass sleepers in the middle. So we're just going to break them into different categories of sleeping. Like the guy's not really being slept on like the dad nap. You know what I mean? The light sleep. And then we got like the nice ram. The Danny Kelly Saturday at 10 p.m.

Chin down on the lazy boy chair. And we're going to go all the way to the comatose sleepers, the deepest of all sleepers you've never heard of. But we'll start with like, all right, maybe these are. real sleepers. I don't give me. These are guys that are going right now that we think are good values. D.K. Yo. Give me your dad-nap level sleeper. Okay, so I'm going with Michael Carter from the Jets, who right now, according to Fanny's Bros. Yahoo ADP, he is the RB 39, 108th overall. Breast Hall, meanwhile, is the RB18.

I think this is a massive, massive discrepancy that probably doesn't make it sound of sense. The sense that we've gotten basically reading through the B-Reportar accounts and just the T-leaves, some preseason usage is that this is going to be closer to a 50-50 split than I think maybe anyone wants it to be. I think there is a chance, and this could happen down the line that you see a Jonathan Taylor type situation where in the preseason everything, they're talking about how it's going to be split, and then Jonathan Taylor just took over and had massive volume in the second half of this record year.

This is possible. However, it's also very possible that you get something closer to like Melvin, Gordon, Giovante Williams type split, where it's literally 50-50 all year long. And so you're getting this massive value taking the later guy. And honestly, Michael Carter has looked really solid in the preseason. He's been utilized in the passing game. For what we've seen, it's not like they're using these guys in specific roles. Like one guy's the early down, one's the third down guy.

They're basically just rotating in and out. So they both have some pass catching upside. They both have early down, you know, maybe even goal line looks. And so I'm just looking at Michael Carter being taken, you know, literally like 60, 70 picks later, and he's going to potentially give you similar production this year if everything breaks right for him. So, you know, we've seen this having a bunch

within the past where teams just don't necessarily want to lean too, too hard on their rookie running backs. And honestly, I haven't really seen a ton from Breeshall this preseason that would make me think, you know, he's just going to immediately take over this backfield. So Michael Carter for the Jets to me looks like a pretty good value where you're getting him. I think we were all wishing for this backfield

to be like a Jonathan Taylor, Naheem Hines situation, where Michael Carter just comes in on third downs and spells, Greece Hall when he's winded, but it actually might end up being a Giovante Williams, Melvin Gordon situation

where these two guys are kind of 1A, 1B, semi-equals. And I mean, honestly, and this doesn't necessarily mean anything because this will change, this is fluid,

but like Carter has been the starter so far. Like, Bruce Hall is coming in as the backup. And of course, that's, you know, this is all preseason And you're trying to read what the teams are doing in the preseason.

This could change very quickly. I understand that. But that at the end of the day is like what's happening so far. I think we've got Brice Hall probably just a little bit too high. He could end up having a very strong second half of the season, but I think early on it's going to be a split. A few weeks ago, D.K., you and Craig, we're talking about how Damien Pierce was the cheapest running back,

starting running back available in fantasy draft. You could just get the starting running back at like 120th. Damien Pierce has now shot up 30 or 40 spots but like Michael Carter's that guy Michael Carter's just starting running back for the Jets and like again I agree with both of you he's not going to stay that the whole season but you can get a starting running back

outside the top 100 which is pretty nuts so I agree also by like everything that we saw last year he was good like he was really solid that's the other part of this that makes me a little bit more excited about him is like all of his underlying stats like his elusive rating his PFF grade like he was pretty solid as a rookie I think the main thing that's holding him back

There's two main things that are holding him back. He's not very big, and he was a fourth-round pick, and those are real concerns. But, like, at the end of the day, he produced, he was good. Like, he's got a natural feel for running. He can play in the passing game. The Jets, I believe, are probably going to be pretty run-heavy, well, when they're not getting blown out.

But even that's good, because Michael Carter's probably going to have the passing down work earlier, so it's fine. He was also way better without Zach Wilson. Him and Mike White kind of had an electric connection, so. Electric checkdown from Mike White. Electric. I love it. Craig, give us a dad-naps sleeper.

This is really dad-nappy. Michael Carter's a wren sleeper. Yeah, that's... Oh, really? Okay, my bad. My bad. Okay. This player is fully in the dad-nap range.

I'm going to go with Chase Edmonds, running back on the Dolphins. He's going around 86 overall. The ringer rankings has him 75th, so we have about 11 spots higher. Chase Edmonds is another one of those really cheap starting running backs that you can get, who is unsexy. He's, he's a lot of. he's kind of a sharp guy right now. A lot of the best ball, sharp fantasy people are drafting him much higher

than the average Yahoo or ESPN drafter. And the guy is just playing as the starter. He's, and he actually didn't play in the last preseason game. He's resting with the starters. The game before that, he played all of the first 10 snaps of Miami's second preseason game.

77% of the snaps in the first two drives. He is operating as like the sole starter, and he's a great pass-catching guy. He's one of the better past catching backs in the league, in my opinion. and he's explosive. He's shown it last year with Arizona. I thought, if you actually look at the numbers,

him versus James Connor last year, he was way better than James Connor in terms of yards per carry and explosive runs, all that stuff. And this could be a pretty good passing, rushing attack in Miami with Mike McDaniel, who was formerly with the Niners. So, you know, even if he only shares

with the base work with Rahim Mostert, I think he's going to have all of the past catching work. And he's one of the cheapest guys, I think you can get that really could have a decent, DeAndre Swift like role? There's a couple of reasons, I think, that this is phenomenal. We did our perfect draft last week,

and we got Chase Edwins as our second running back, and we were thrilled. Because Chase Edmonds are a couple reasons here. One, it's like the top two guys there are dolphins is Chase Edmonds and Rahim Mostert. Even if Rahe Moster stays healthy, Chase Edmonds is probably going to be the guy getting all the passing down work.

And also, Tua is just such, you tell me, D.K., but I feel like Tua is, like, way more likely to check the ball down than Kyler Murray is going to be. Kyler Murray is trying to like scramble and extend the play and do stuff or run or like, but two is going to check down, way more. So then you combine that with just the surface area of luck of like past,

passing down work with, man, Rahim Moster is a really fun guy to root for it, but like, real real struggle staying healthy for him. Hot tub club. Hot tub club. Miles Gaskin's there. Like, they're going to have to cut someone. Miles Gaskin. They got like Salvin.

None of these guys are going to threaten Chase Edmund's role. I completely agree. Chase Evans for where he's going is as good as anybody. And just like that, wherever you get them, honestly, it's got those guys existing are why you can be aggressive at other spots in the draft. If you want to just like go get, you know, Kelsey, Mark Andrews, Kyle Pitts, whatever is a tight end at the expense of getting a position

or get, we keep saying hammer receivers. You can do that because guys like Chase Edmonds are existing at the 90th pick. And some of the best places to find sleepers are on burgeoning offenses that no one's really talking about. I was just going to say this. I'm actually kind of allowing myself to get excited about Miami's offense. I'm not saying I'm even really there with Tua at all, but I'm just saying like no one's thinking about Miami.

It's like the Mad Men line. It's like I don't think about you at all. No one considers Miami's offense as being even like potentially decent except people who live in Miami. So if they are half decent. And Warren Sharp. And Warren Sharp. They are half decent.

Chase Edmonds is a steal. Also, just Dramsky, he doesn't live in Miami. But Rism many way. Well, on the same topic, though, of like offenses.

people don't think about enough. I have two dad-nap guys. Dallas Goddard, the tight end for the Eagles, man. If I don't get one of those top tight ends, I'm not looking for Darren Wallers. I'm not looking for kiddle. Dude, if I can wait and grab Dallas-Gotter, people are, like, sleeping on a few things.

One, Dallas-Gotter is really freaking good. And if you, like, being a Giants fan, I watch those Eagles games, Dallas-Coddard's good. Two, everyone's forgetting, this is the first year that Dallas-Gotter and the Eagles have gotten up for pairs if he's the number one tight end.

Like, Zacherts has been there, and Goddard has been flashing, flashing is this, like, second tight end. he's the only, like, he's that number one guy now, and it's like not getting credit for it. And then three, no one's thinking about this offense passing more. Everyone's just kind of obsessed with like, well, they were passing and it didn't work. And then they like went to this insane run heavy thing and they're going to run. But it was because the personnel was bad.

They had bad players. Like it would like they, gutting A.J. Brown is a signal of what they're going to do. And I just feel so strongly, they're going to pass more. And it's, again, for these sleepers, so many times you want to layer things people are not thinking about. I don't think people are thinking about Dallas. Goddard's talent is being underrated, and I think the level of improvement is being underrated because he's actually preparing to be a starter combined with the Eagles just passing offense, maturing.

I'm not saying Jilline Hertz is like going to be great. But it doesn't have to be great. I think that Dallas, and never mind the fact that if A.G. Brown or Devante Smith get hurt, that Dallas Goddard could just be like a top, top three, top four tight ends. So I love Goddard. Floor ends up. Yeah, I'm with you on this one. He's like my favorite.

He's the last guy, last tight end. and that tier that I want to get, basically. After he goes off the board, I'm like, okay, well, I'll just wait. Once he's gone, I just don't care. Like, it's like, oh, I could get, I could get Dawson Knox here. And I'm like, you know what, man,

let me just wait and get, like, freaking Irv Smith, like 40 spots later. It's like, once God it's gone, I kind of just lose all interest. He's also one of those guys, like, kind of like Cadarious Tony, where in the small sample size he's had where he's, like, playing without Sack Hertz,

he's been really, really good. Like, his PFF grade. Number one, number one, in yards for around on tight ends. Right. All the underlying stats of Dallas Goddard are very strong, and this is like finally his time to shine. I really hope this passing game is just funneled hard through three guys,

through DeVante Smith, E.J. Brown, and Goddard. Like, if they're trying to get other guys involved, like it could muddy things up and, you know, make it really frustrating. That's the only issue is he's probably number three in targets on this team. I suppose he could beat Devante Smith. I want to throw one more dad nap guys that you quickly. We've argued about them, but I don't care.

It's juju, Ms. Schuster, and I don't care. I know that's like the high end of a sleeper. I kind of went off on the whole juju rant. Like, I'm coming. I've really waffled on him. I recognize that this preseason. It's so funny where we came. I was the first one to say juju.

Hyphid's shit on me for juju. And now Hyphids is the lead proprietor. And I shit on you for jujuju. It's like the sisterhood of the traveling shit talk on this podcast. I understand the juju love. I think I've just, I don't know. My whole take was basically like people are getting too excited about juju, but like I do recognize that he.

he's probably going to get a ton of volume this year in a very good offense that has a very good quarterback. And if he can just do his thing and beat zone and be that short and intermediate outlet for Bahams, like, yeah, he'll be good. Here's the thing, getting too excited about Juju. You can get him outside the top 70 on ESPN and outside the top 70 on Yahoo.

Like he's just outside. Like, you can get him in the eighth round sometimes. You have to reach for him in the seventh round. And I guess I'll put it this way. Generally speaking, how many receivers do you want to have? By like time you're picking the seventh round, how many receivers,

you already have what, probably three receivers on your roster ideally, at least? Right? You probably already have three. And like maybe you already have two running backs and a quarterback or a tight end and you're coming around, you're taking your fourth receiver.

If you want to bet on your fourth receiver, Juju is 25 in going from Ben Rothesberger to Patrick Mahomes. Any concerns you have are baked in. He's 25. I understand, like he's had injuries, he's declined, he doesn't have Antonio Brown.

He does have Kelsey now. And I'm just saying, What if he's good? Like, because if the whole point of taking on these receivers is you're trying to throw darts at guys that, like, could explode, I don't see an easier candidate than Juju. It's like, oh, if he's got more juice left than we're giving him credit for, that's the kind of guy that's a top 10 receiver just sitting there.

Also, how many players are there going in the range that Juju's going in that have the ceiling he does? I mean, we obviously saw what he did with Antonio Brown in 2017 or 18 or whatever that is. this man is the most likely to be the top option for Patrick Mahomes. He's going up against McColle Hardman, Marcus Valdes Scantling, who kept running the wrong route in Green Bay, and a rookie, Sky Moore. Yeah, and like, Juji has some knee so he's been missing practice,

but, I mean, it's not really considered concerning. It'll certainly be week one, but, like, all these guys are banged out. MVS has been banged up. Sky Moore's been missing time. Like, all these dudes have been out, and I just, Jujia to me is the number one receiver, Patrick Mahomes is number one, like, Kelsey's number one, obviously, but the number two receiver for Mahombs

is just outside the top 70. Just do that. Just do that. Just do that. There's a fun strategy or a fun like kind of like there's fun research you can do when you look up how high a quarterback is going in drafts and then you look at all their past catchers

and you can see if there's any discrepancies of things not matching up. Patrick Mahomes is the top five quarterback going across the board in every single draft. And he obviously has Travis Kelsey, but after that there's not a guy going until the 70th pick. Does that really make any sense? No. Exactly.

Exactly. I completely agree, Craig. All right, so there we go. We've all been right on juju. We've all been wrong. Okay. REM sleep, that's more obvious. Now we're doing REM sleepers, more classic sleepers. I kind of think Michael Carter is a REM sleeper. DK., just his dynasty brain.

Yeah. Craig, you want to give us a REM or TK, do you have a real REM or is it's going to be like a deeper REM? I've got, let's see here. I'm looking through my list. I don't know. These are probably not REM sleepers according to your rankings. Let me just throw a guy out here. And because I think he's not necessarily an unknown,

but tight and David and Joku for the Brown. Oh, that's mine. Is that Remy? Nice. So I've seen this. The stats been thrown out a couple of times on Twitter. He's played 39 of 42 first string snaps this recent. He's like the starter, the unquestioned starter,

the unquestion number one. The big problem here with the Browns in the past has been they have like a three-man tight-end rotation. It's just like a nightmare for fantasy purposes. It was Hooper, Harrison, Brian, David and Joku. So based on what we've seen, and this is us, of course, trying to read the tea leaves. But based on what we've seen, he's like the clear-cut number one. They paid him like a number one tight end this off season.

And importantly, like, who else, like this is one of those situations. Who else is going to catch passes in this offense? There it is. Mari Cooper is there. He's going to be the unquestioned, like, top guy. But Anthony Schwartz has not been very good this preseason. David Bell, he's a rookie, still coming along. I think Donovan, People's Jones.

He gets some love, but he's more like a field stretch. Lidlifter type guy. I don't know if his skill set necessarily. It's like Kirkland brand Deshawn Jackson. Right. And I don't know

if his skill set meshes all that well Jacobus. He's just kind of like MBS. Yeah, I mean, honestly, kind of is. And so Jacobi Preset is going to start, what is it, 12 games this season?

11 games. And he's been historically in his career. He's passed a tight end a lot. I think that they're going to make the tight end a big part of their passing game. I saw this from Dwayne McBarland from PFF.

And Joku has had an 80% route participation. In other words, he's running a route on 80 plus percent of his snaps, and that is elite. That's exactly what you want from a fantasy tight end. Basically, as Duane was saying,

as long as he keeps playing and runs routes at this rate, he's going to be a top 12 tight end. It's very hard not to finish as a top 12 tight end at that type of usage. So it all points to him really out playing his ADP right now. He is the 171st overall player for ADP,

like a tight end 15. I think he could probably end up like tight-in 10 range. I wouldn't be surprised at all. Yeah, just to add a little sprinkles onto the ice cream cone here. When Jacobi Berset was in Indianapolis, Jack Doyle led the Colts and targets and receptions in the scenes that were started by Bisset, and the Browns just throw to their tight ends a lot.

Their top three in target share to tight ends over the past two seasons with Kevin Stapansky, their head coach. So, you know, there is kind of the narrative out there that quarterbacks who aren't as talented tend to throw to their tight ends more. And this lines up with that, with Chicoby Brissette. Well, yeah, it's like they're the comfort food.

Yeah, like the safety blanket over the middle of the field, like someone they can just dump it off to, get rid of the football if there's pressure coming, whatever. And Joku, importantly, is very, like, dynamic after the catch. Like, he's not just a catch and fall down to the guy. No, he's a former first-round pick, right? Yeah, yeah. He just doesn't really lived up to, I think, like,

the talent level that's perceived. But a lot of times these tight ends take a long. time to develop in the NFL. And so, you know, he's still pretty young, I think. He's only 26. Yeah. So he's still got like, wow. I feel like he's been on forever. Well, he came into the NFL and he was like really, like 21. This is this fifth year. Just to, wow, that kind of blows my mind. David, yeah, David and Joku, no, this is his sixth season in the NFL coming up. Oh, is he serious? He's younger that, yeah, isn't that wild? That's crazy. That's crazy. And he just turned 26 a month ago. That's wild. He's, and he's, and he's,

in the NFL one year longer than Dallas Goddard but is a year younger than him. That's crazy. I did not know that. That's actually a really good argument. That's crazy. All right. I like that a lot for Joku. I'll give you another REM sleeper. Jahan Dotsam, man, receiver for Washington. This one's great. This is really good. High Fitz. Yes. Like, he just is so underrated. It's a great mix of like, he just wasn't as famous

as the other first rounders who got drafted. Chris Olavay, Garrett Wilson, Jameson Williams John Dotson could very easily outperform all of those guys immediately and then hold it the entire year like wire to wire be ahead of them he's going to probably start for Washington and again

while Carson Wins is probably like a net negative for most guys Carson Wins' style of just like throwing it to dudes John Dotson has the exact kind of style you want like he's he just is an insane sub Jammar Chase

but like maybe two notches below just go up and get it like a D'Andre Hopkins-esque, grab the ball in the air, he's going to win their starting job. And like, he's going outside the top 1.30, you could really seriously get Johan Dotson as like the second to last player in your bench. Like, just the, like this, if you miss on George Pickens, who's like also very obvious sleeper that everyone kind of knows about, and you're like, damn, I miss like that hot, working receiver.

John Dotson is like the Boarman's version of George Pickens. You can get him 30 picks layer. But like, I just, there's nothing not to like, and he's virtually free. He's the ugly step sister of the Ricky White. wide receivers this year. Nobody cares. I like that. I think there was like,

this is, it's always hard, but when you go higher than you're expected to go, because I think people expected him to be like really late first or early second. And he went 16th,

I believe. And like, historically speaking, or 8th, whatever it was, 18th or 16th. Like, historically speaking, like a mid, first round pick

is going to get tons of hype, tons of hype. And the irony, you know why? You know what's funny? Because the hype cycle starts and you're so right. When you're a first round pick

taken and it's a reach. People come out, man, I don't know the Washington's draft. But if he goes in his second round, everyone's like, what an incredible seal by Washington getting Dodson. And it's just positive. And the fact that he went earlier in the draft that somehow heard of him. Also, all the, the reason why nobody likes him or nobody talks about him is

because he ruined all the experts mock draft. So they have this baked in animosity towards him. That's actually true. Also, Dickie, you were right. You were 16th. So, what a reach. So, like, obviously, I have been hard.

on Carson Wentz. Like, I don't think Carson Wentz is very good. But I will admit and say, and I think this is important to keep in mind, that he's much better than, like, Taylor Heineke or Kyle Allen, whoever else, like the Washington is trotted out there at quarterback. Sam Howell? Well, Sam Howells is the future. I mean, maybe.

We'll see. But, yes, I think the key here is really, Carson Wentz is, like, infinitely better. I think then even like a Taylor Heineke or whatever, just it's going to elevate their offense, even if he isn't that great, like on a relative scale, like for NFL starters, I think he's much better than high-upy.

I'm less on the, like, argument that Carson Wentz is good and more on the, I more enjoy the argument of he's the number two clearly in this offense. Maybe the number one. He's the number two receiver. Maybe that's a good way to put it,

he's the number two receiver, and you can basically get him after many other teams like number three guy, and he's just, and he might be really good. Like, is he the cheapest wide receiver two in fantasy football? I'm trying to think.

He might be. Nico Collins with the Texans, like that's the range. The difference is better. Exactly. He's bad. The bears, I mean, I don't think the bears even.

Yeah, I guess the bears and Nico Collins, that's about it. But he actually might be good, and that's the point. Rollo dice is someone who might be great. We'll see. Do you guys have any other REM sleepers?

Do you want to get into like the comatose sleepers? No, in Joku was mine as well as D. I think in Jokka. I think in Jokka's definitions. I've got a couple comatels. I want to throw out here, though. I want to start out with Hyfitz's guy here.

Wondale Robinson. Oh, that was my comatose guy. This is all, like, look, I actually think he's pretty talented. He's pretty talented. He's dynamic. He's versatile. I get all that. Like, none of that actually really matters as much to me as the fact that, like, the giants are absolutely decimated at receiver right now.

Kenny Gallaudet has had maybe the worst offseason of any receiver I've ever seen in my life. Colin Johnson. Well, I don't know about that. Well, any guy who's making 72 million. What about one of the last four off seasons for Antonio Brown? well different yeah different on the field notes yes um so colin johnson who was like gearing up to basically take kenny golly's spot in the lineup towards achilles sterling shepherd who is probably their most experienced and best receivers just coming back from achilles no telling how exactly how good he's

going to be cadarius tony as high fits likes to say is completely unreliable he's still not practicing or still not playing he's chaos walking you never know it's always something with this guy i just don't really trust him at this point to be consistently on the field. Their tight end, their starting tight end is rookie Daniel Bellinger, who is now just a concussion protocol. So his status for week one is pretty much up in the air. That basically leaves like Wando Robinson and someone named David Sills the fifth. Who has been great? Giants fans loves David Sills. Yeah, I mean, he's, he's been impressive, actually. But I just think that like everything together,

all those all those like guys that are basically not going to be available for the Giants, Plus the fact they took Wandao Robinson in the second round, clearly have a role in mind for him. I just think he's going way too late. He's a wide receiver 79 per ADP, 226 overall. He's basically the last picking your trap. Spoiler alert.

DK, you're so hitting the nail on the head here. Spoiler alert. Saquant is going to lead the team in catches, and Wondale Robinson is going to lead the New York Giants and receiving yards. Like, he's going to do it. And here's the thing. I considered saving that for the take purge.

It's not even a hot take, because there's everything you can just said. None of these other guys are going to play enough to even be in contention. They're sick of Kenny Gallaudet. Tony's not going to play. The tight end has a concussion. And as you said, Colin Johnson was secretly going to be the sleep of this team and he's out for the season.

It's August. This is crazy. So it's like Sterling Shepherd coming off the Achilles or Wondell. I completely agree. I really think that Wondale Robinson, we talk about Jahan Dotson, being the rookie for Washington, be the latest number two.

Wondel Robinson is a disguised number one wide receiver. just sitting there outside the top 150. The only thing that makes me nervous about bringing him up is what Rondell Moore did last year, which is nothing essentially, like was a gadget player only for 96% of the season. Like he, his Aida, his average depth to tirade was like negative yards. It was negative, yeah.

He on average was targeted, was it, was it an average he was targeted to buy in the line of scrimmage or was it like he had more, no, you know what it was, he had more yards after, maybe it's the same thing, he had more yards after the, hatch than receiving yards because he had so many screens.

That makes sense. The airball yards were very low. I'm just worried. I'm ever so slightly worried that Wondale is going to get pigeonholed into doing that kind of stuff and won't develop as a downfield receiver. But can you if they have nobody else?

Am I going to play receiver? Yes, that's exactly what I was going to say is that's why I'm still willing to, like, throw him out as his sleepers because like they don't have a ton of other options here. Like they kind of need to get him involved down the field. He's actually, he's a tough. receiver. I mean, like, he played running back for Nebraska for a while before transferring to Kentucky. Like, he has some toughness, and he's really, you know, dynamic and fast after the catch,

but he's also like running back tough, too. So I don't know, I'm just very intrigued with what he can do this year in this offense. So the cutdown day is tomorrow, and we'll definitely can see a lot of cutdown things. I have no idea what's going to happen, but I have to say, man, Giants have been slated to cut Darius Slaten like all offseason. And at this point, they should just freaking keep him. I don't think anyone cares about the Southern Giants fans, but just That's a good question, actually. I was thinking about that this morning, High Fitz. Why are they trying to trade him?

Darius Layton's kind of good. Because they had all these other players that were going to be healthy and play for them. And now they don't. I feel like Darius Layton has flashed like multiple times in his career with the Giants. So it's actually an interest. I mean, this is like inside baseball and no one probably cares, but he's actually a victim of his own success. Because in the latest union negotiation, they added in these incentive qualifiers. So if you're like Darius Slateon, it's like a six-round pick, you play really well.

They give you a race. So instead of making like, you know, 600K and you're a starter, you make like $3 million. And like, that's great for Darius Slayton, right? He's what is that, five times the money, basically. But the problem is then a new regime comes in and they didn't draft him. And they look at the line item and they're like, well, if you were 600K, we keep you, but you're going to make $3 million, we're going to cut you. And like, ironically, he played well enough to get a 5x raise, but not well enough to keep

his job for the new bosses. So that kind of sucks. Yeah. But at this point, they should just keep him. Yeah, agreed. All right. Any other, that was my comatose. I think Wandae Robinson, I completely agree, D-K. And again, I think you can, like, most people in your draft probably never heard of him unless you're, I think Wandaughan, these are guys at the end of your bench. We're not saying, like, reach for them top 100. Like, these are the kind of values you get late in your draft where it's like, oh, yeah, by the way, my last position player just got the number one receiving the judge. Here's how I'd frame it. There's a million guys that you can pick up your last few picks, right? Like the list of players you could potentially add as like the draft starts speeding up. and everyone's just like throwing random dudes at the,

you know, at the end of the draft. Like having a few guys in mind that you want, that's where this is helpful. Everyone else is like, I'd have never heard of these people. I'm going to take Ryan Tannale, even though I'll take Rick's quarterback. Yeah, it's like,

just don't do that. Take the guy that if he's good is like going to be a starter for you and not the guy that just, you'll, because if they're bad, you're going to cut him anyway for some waivers. It's fine. Craig,

do you have a comatose sleeper for us? Yeah, these are pretty deep comatose. One is just Jeff Wilson, the running back on the Nangers. Yeah. I don't buy for a second any of the hype that they're giving to Trace Sermon. I don't know if they're trying to trade him. Maybe he's going to get cut and they want to trade him before they have to cut him and get something back for him.

Tery and Davis Price, their other guy is a rookie. Jeff Wilson has been on the Niners for a few years now. He's always been good when he's played. He's been banged up a lot. He's been starting and plays with Eli Mitchell in the preseason. He handled every snap before Tray Sermon or Tyrion and Davis Price saw the field. And the most important thing is that Koss Shanahan likes him. which is the most valuable currency in San Francisco.

I think there's always teams and, I think, like, depth chart competitions that fantasy players just are completely ignore the facts. You know what I mean? Like, we just want something that happens so we completely ignore the facts. Like, for instance, I really want Tideavis Price to be the backup in San Francisco.

So I just ignore the fact that he's the fourth guy to come onto the field for the 49ers in the preseason. You know what I mean? Like, it's Jeff Wilson. He's the backup. He is the Elijah. Mitchell handcuff or whatever you want to call it. And Elijah Mitchell, as we've talked about many times in the pod,

like had six or seven different injuries last year. He's not super big. Like, his durability is a big question mark. He just finally came back from a hamstring injury. Coming in, we're like, can he stay healthy? Immediately gets hurt and we're like, oh. Yeah. If I'm wrong, I'll just be wrong on it.

I don't care. Jeff Wilson's going outside the top 200. And there's a small chance he gets 20 carries week one. Here's the thing about Jeff Wilson. He has been hurt a lot, admittedly. but like it's kind of who cares because Elijah Mitchell's hurt a lot, so we're afraid because he's like a 50th, 60th big. Jeff Wilson is free and if it gets hurt, you will cut him. But if he's healthy, in 2020, he started three times.

No one remembers this. 110 yards and three touchdowns. His name's Jeff Wilfitts. The other game he played started. 180 yards? I mean, no touchdowns. He had a, no, he did receiving touchdown. So, like, we're talking, like, 25, 30-point performances just a couple of years ago.

And then even last year, he did get starts. He got 110 yards against the Falcon. He runs hard. He runs so hard. Like, almost to a detriment to himself because he's just, like, running too hard. That's all the Niners guys. They're all, like, outfielders who sprinted to the wall to try and catch the fly ball. It's true.

I think it's so true. And at some point, it's kind of like how the Giants keep getting married. You're like, what the fuck is with that team? But the Niners, I agree, Greg. I think Jeff Wilson is. get back. I completely agree. Trace sermon. Sometimes I never know with that last pieces in game before cut down day. It's like, are these guys like, you know how when you're in fantasy,

some people are going to know what I'm talking about. Sometimes when you're trying to pull off a fantasy trade and you're going to start contacting people, you put the guy you want to trade away like prominently in that like slot in your starting lineup. Like even if you have Justin Jefferson and you want to trade away Jerry Judy, you like put Jerry Judy right next to Justin Jefferson. A window dressing. Yeah. That's how I feel like, even if you're going to bench him. Like, that's how I feel sometimes watching this last preseason game.

Like, oh, look at the Trace Sermon. Well, maybe it's, you know, they just want to get rid of him. Yeah, that's why John Lynch is like, oh, sermon's been unbelievable. I know. They've been talking them up a lot. But then he doesn't play and he's not good on the games. There's one problem, happy. It's not any good.

Yeah, I totally agree with that one. I keep, to me, this is like the biggest blind spot. It's because I want Ty Davis Price to be the backup there. Well, it's like cognitive dissonance, and it's like, I want to lose 10 pounds. And I'm like, well, should I drink the Sierra Nevada that has 400 calories in this IPA? Well, if I don't think about how much calories are in two IPAs, it doesn't matter. Solved. Yeah.

I got a couple others to throw out here before we wrap this up. Number one, Amir Abdullah for the Raiders, who I think is trending towards sort of the passing down's role for this team, for the Raiders who are, by the way, last year they finished seventh and past attempts, sixth in passing yards, and now they're getting an aggressive play caller in Josh McDaniels, a guy who's been very innovative in the past and wants

to score a ton of points. I think that this Raiders' offense has potentially been very, very good and be pretty pass-heavy. So that could be a big role for him, and everybody's talking about the James White roll, which I, like, I waffle on this because, like, that was Josh McDaniel.

Daniel's largely calling those plays, so maybe there is this role. But like James White is sort of a unique player, and plus he was playing with Tom Brady, who loves checkdown. So it's clearly apples to oranges, but I think Abdullah over the last, like, number one last year, he flashed for the Panthers doing like this past catching type role. He looked pretty good in the preseason games for the Raiders so far. They cut Kenyon Drake, which makes, gives us some clarity in terms of like the running back

backfield here. And yeah, so basically put it all together. I think Josh Jacobs and Zemir White are going to be kind of the early down guys. They're going to rotate that. And then I could see Amir Abdullah come in and be the third down, long down and distance, two-minute offense type running back. And that's really valuable, honestly, in PPR and half PBR. So this is not a guy to think about in standard leagues.

I think full PPR more so. But if you're in a full PPR league, I think of Amir Abdullah as if you need a running back in your little light, you're taking a shot that would have J.D. McKissick a couple years ago played on a team that's just going to be in shootouts all the time. and like every time the Raiders are trying to keep up with the Chiefs or the Chargers of the Broncos. And like Derek Carr just keeps dumping down to Amir Dola and just like, why does he have four catches for 30 yards on this drive? That's kind of where I see him. Like it's like those two drives a game where he just adds six points each.

I'm like, wow, he is 18 points this week for no reason. I think that's really good. One last comatose guy I'll throw out is Brevin Jordan, the Titan for the Texan. I had him on that stuff at Comatose Sleeper. It's everything you guys said about David and Joku, just like the worst version of it. basically David and Joku for the Browns as you guys said he's playing so many snaps that he kind of has to be relevant

it's the same deal with the Texans and Brevin Jordan he's just playing all the time he's playing like five out of every six snaps and at some point when you play that often you're just kind of relevant by default and he's very talented there's a fun story in ESPN this week where Brevin Jordan he like his phone backgrounds

all the tight ends taken ahead of him like Kyle Pitts and people last year I love these stories I think it's hilarious that Brevin Jordan is like how dare that Kyle Pitts got taken ahead of me the Falcons with that mistake they made. But I still like the energy. Brevin Jordan's very, he's an interesting one to me

because I believe my memory serves. He was like a former five-star guy, like big time recruit coming out of high school. And then just kind of fell behind the wayside in the draft process and just was taken much further down than I think most people expected. Most people probably expected him to be like a third runner. And he fell to day three.

So yeah, I mean, he's talented. He's another one of these guys. guys that's very young. He's 22 years old going into his second season. That's crazy. So realistically, I would not draft Brevin Jordan if you're in a 10 team league or a 12 team league. If you're in those leagues, I would probably say like if Revin Jordan does well in week one, like, and your tight end sucks, like add Brevin Jordan. And if you're anything deeper than 12, Revin Jordan's probably good stash. Whereas like Wondale Robinson with the Giants, I'm more likely like 12 team like maybe get him on your bench in case he's just number one out the gate.

Yeah, there's a group of deep sleepers that you kind of just need to keep on your waiver radar rather than actually draft them. Like Isaiah likely for the Ravens is like this tight in getting a bunch of buzz Okay eight out of ten times Isaiah likely is completely irrelevant for fantasy But if he is relevant at week one or two pick him up But like don't draft him

But like Wondale Dotson I think are worth drafting I think in Joku is a really good one Do you guys have any other comatose sleep? Last one this one is as comatose as you get But Jalen Warren Steelers I brought this guy up I think in the past But he was especially now Yes and this goes back to round it all out

This goes back to our nausea discussion where, you know, you want the Steelers' handcuff because historically they've basically just leaned on one guy. That's how they like to play it for whatever reason. They like to have one guy who's in there on all three downs. They don't like separation

of duties and all that stuff. That's why Najee's so valuable in fantasy. But if now she has a foot injury and misses time, Jalen Warren, or I guess like Benny Snell has also been involved in Anthony McFarlane. Based on my eye, like I'm just going with the guy who I think is clearly the best. And

Jalen Warren has really flashed in the preseason. It looks like leaps and pounds better than particularly Benny Snell. So I'm just kind of like that would be like a, again, this is a very deep league. Use it with your last pick. But just throw out a flyer on this guy in the off chance that this nausea injury turns into something bigger than we think it is. And so, you know, because you potentially get a, you know, high volume guy like with your last pick. Yeah, it is funny that we so highly value. the backups for guys like Dalvin Cook

and for Ezekiel Elliott and for McCaffrey. But for Najee Harris and the Steelers, nobody seems to talk about the guy who could replace them. It's almost the same thing with Derek Henry this year's. I guess it's seen as like it's going to be a split. It's not going to be one guy who replaces Najee Harris like Chuba Hubbard used to replace Christian McCaffrey.

So I guess the fear is that, I mean, this is obviously incredibly comatose. You just keep an eye on him in waiver wire. But it could be a split between Benny Snell, Jail, and Warren. But it'd be nice if Warren popped off and became a true handcuff. Absolutely. Can I throw one out there really quick?

Zay Jones on the Jags. Good one. He's going, he's going 291st. I don't even know how they can quantify that. How do they know he's going to be 191st? He signed to actually have a massive contract out of the Jags

were just throwing out money like Oprah, but he could be the number two on the team, and there's nobody else. There's Travis E. T.N. is going to catch passes out of the backfield. There's Christian Kirk is the number one guy. They have Evan Ingram at Tide End, who's been a career disappointment.

They have Marvin Jones, who's like 32, 33 years old, and they have Leviska-Schneau. There's not a lot going on. They gave Zay Jones three years, $24 million. You know, he's, he popped a little bit in the preseason. There's a chance he's the number one. Like he's, we love Christian Kurt for the number one getting 18 million years a year. And you're right, Craig? Because, I mean, look, if we're wrong with Jay Jones could be the number one to see

of the team. I don't think we're wrong. I do think it would be Christian Kirk. But even then, if the Jaggers are still throwing it, Zay Jones, he's not 29th. That's insane. No, it's almost like your argument about Jayon Dotson. It's like, I don't know, this guy's probably just going to be the number two

in an offense that throws a lot with maybe a good young quarterback. I like that one a lot. Off the top of my head, I think Marvin Jones had like 140 targets last year. Yeah. It also could very well just be Marvin Jones. Every year we keep saying like, oh, Leviscus Schenolk because Marvin Jones is too old. The shit you guys gave me last year for saying Marvin Jones would leave that team in yards. Do you remember the vitriol I got from you to?

Erroneous. You blocked it out of your mind. Erroneous on all counts. I don't remember that. That was before we made the all boring team. And now Marvin Jones is on that team for sure. He's a bench spot on the all-boring team. He had 120 targets, not 140.

Still, a lot. A lot. Yeah. Led the team in every category, like I said, he would. You guys lampooned me. Okay, it's a funny word, lampoon. All right. I think that's all we got in the sleepers.

Those are our updated sleepers. You can get into some emails? Yeah, let's do it. We got a lot of feedback in a couple things, especially last week. D.K. thanked Andrew W. and Craig and I just had no clue who Andrew WK was.

We got as much response to this as like anything in recent memory. Yes, it perhaps has created the largest tidal wave of social media reactions with us for anything non-football related more than anything we've ever had in the show's history. So I couldn't believe it. And we got two pieces of feedback. One is all the, we always talk about older millennials and younger millennials, SpongeBob millennials, saved by the Bell millennials. It turns out they're Andrew WK millennials because it was just people.

We got a lot of 35-year-old white guys. into this podcast. All the people over 32 listening were like, Craig and DK, or Craig and Danny don't know that Andrew W.K was on the Madden O3 soundtrack. But the other thing people were mad at was, wow, D.K. did a horrible job. I feel like you're deflecting.

You guys are stupid. Every email says, Dick, they should know, but also Dika did a bad job. To the point where... Well, I was just caught off guard because I didn't expect you idiots to not know who Andrew W., a very, very famous person. That's the best way I can describe him.

My girlfriend is from Pittsburgh pointed out that his song is actually now the goal song for the penguins when they score. It's unpopular, though, because it plays jump around. But we actually had a guy, I was a listener to him, Kevin, Kevin, who is a music journalist, actually was so disheartened with how D.K. They actually wrote up, like, his own version of an explainer of who Andrew WK is. And Kevin writes, Andrew WK., a party rock superstar that grew to popularity following the release of I Get Wet, his seminal 2001 album, Andrew WK is known for wearing dirty white jeans with a white tea, allegedly smashing himself in the face with a brick to create his notorious alim art

and doing wild stuff such as eating dog food during a much music on Canadian MTV. AWK has been open with his mental health battles and in part the narrative to fight against what appears to be the pursuit of the party in every aspect of life. I love how it uses the term partying. Like, Andrew WK's definition of partying is awesome.

This podcast strives to pursue the proverbial party on every episode, just like Andrew W. Continue high fits on what he says about partying. I mean, built on the foundation of music power, positivity, and pizza, which I mean, I would say is also kind of what I am. Music power, positivity, and pizza.

Okay, I feel like I very clunkily explained all of this. I said he wears a dirty white shirt constantly. He's very positive into positivity. I got closer than this guy's giving him. me credit for. I'm going to say that. Yeah, you clunkily explained it. I think everyone would agree on that. I'll admit that. Okay. Everyone would agree.

I was befuddled. Yes, you were. Sorry for fucking up the Andrew WK description, everyone. Yeah. I'll do better next time. All right. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig. And Andrew W.K., wow. Thank you, Lord.

Lauren. Thank you, Cold War kids. Well, good one. This whole conversation made me think about how I'm a Cold War kid. You guys don't even know anything about that. They're good. I've seen them in concert. They're good. Talk about like a real, a real Cold War, a kid of the Cold War.

Oh, oh, actually. I'm not a kid of the fucking Cold War. How old are you? I was alive during the Cold War. How old were you when, when did the Berlin World come down? 1989, how old were you? I think it was 91. 91 is when the Cold War ended.

I was nine. All right. I experienced almost the entire 80s. Here's my, here's my, again. In a total judgmental thing. Did you ever do the hide under the desk thing for a nuclear war in school? I don't know. I mean, it's definitely during that era that we were doing it.

When I think of a Cold War kid, I think of people who were like, hey, so like there might be these bombs that end the world. Hide under your desk. It'll be good. Yes. I mean, that was part of our life as like fearing nuclear holocaust and shit. Like, I don't know exactly what your sting sang that song that was about like hope the Russians love their kids too or whatever. But that was like, yeah. If you were afraid of that as a child, then yes.

Yeah, I had fears of that as a child. Wow. Yeah. Different world back then. That's crazy. I didn't know you were that old, honestly. I don't think of you that way. That's because you don't think about anything prior to 1995.

I mean, I do just. I don't think I'm going to prior to like 2004. Yeah. I was born in 1994, but like I don't consider myself a child of the 90s. I don't remember the 90s. I agree. Yeah, but. You remember the 90s in the sense that you were old enough to know what the 90s were like when it was like the 2000s, right?

Like it was very fresh in your memory. You're from that era. When I was 9 in 2003? No. When did your memory start when you were 12 years old? I was 6 in the year 2000. I do not remember the 90s. You don't remember anything from your childhood?

Well, yeah, I can remember like my dad playing with me in the pool. I don't remember what the 90s were like. DK, you're being ridiculous. We're born in 81, so like you were nine. Craig was five or Y2K. We were supposed to have memories of like the kindergartners being like, yeah, the world might end tonight. I don't like remember when Fight Club came out.

Come on. I have no 90s memories. I think that's very normal. Okay. You didn't watch any TV in the 1990s? Once again, I'm sure I did. Were you living in like a bomb shelter? How can you not have any memory of the 90s?

Sure, it bleeds through. It's fucking like pop culture. That's like you were in the popular culture. Do you think when Calvin's 40 and I'm like, Calvin, do you remember the early 2020s? He's going to be like, yeah, totally. I think there's enough bleed over from decade to decade that it's like fresh enough in memory that like, even though I was like most like conscious of my life in like the 1990s because like I was eight years old when the 90s started. I still remember the 80s because the 80s culture doesn't stop immediately when it turns 1990. You know what I'm saying?

Calvin's going to just be like on that blueie's driving. I get what you're saying. I know what the 1980s were like because I was alive during the 1980s. I get what you're saying, D.K., but we're splitting Harris because Craig's just saying I'm doing the thousands

things and you guys are just saying it's the same thing. The late 90s is the early 2000s. It's the same shit. Anyway, we'll ask Calvin in 10 years what he remembers about all those bluey things. Here's another way. We'll ask Calvin how he felt about the Trump presidency

and we'll see what he says. God damn it. Which one? The second one? Oh. You said you had another point. I wanted to hear that. Well, I was going to say, like, if I asked Craig

about specific kid shows during the 1990s when he was a kid, I wouldn't know fuck all about that, but he would probably be able to tell me all about that, like, specific microgeneration of what he was watching, what kids were watching, what kids of his specific generation did in that era.

But you know what? I wouldn't be telling you, I would ask my parents what I watched, and they would tell me what I watched. You don't remember what you watched? I remember what I watched. I think what you're saying, I think that just as someone kind of seeing this argument happen,

I feel like we're, like, Craig's say, Craig's whole point is, it's hard to remember the TV shows I watched when I was five. And then after that, it wasn't the 90s. Yes. And I think you guys are kind of stuck on this point.

And D.K. saying what you watched when you were seven was still kind of being made in the 90s. Yeah, sure. I watched SpongeBob in the early 2000s, and perhaps that still had many, you know, elements of like 90s cartoons, but I can't specifically remember what I was watching in 1997. I just think, okay, I get this. Like we're not actually like arguing about anything at

this point, but I just think people are a product of like their specific little micro generation yours is of the mid-90s or whatever, like people of your generation. I think that's the fun of disagreements. Like we're not being born in the mid-90s doesn't make us 90s kids in our mind. Right. Like to me, I'm a child of the 2000s because that's when I really started in like consuming culture and like interpreting it. receiving it. Okay. I think it's semantics, but whatever. Like, at the end of the day, you get what this is really about? You know, can I actually tell you why I think we're actually having this argument? Is because D.K. was born at the beginning of a decade. Yes. Right. And we

were born in the middle of it, and he doesn't know what to do with us because you were born in 1981 and we were born in like in the middle of the night. But close enough. Yeah. Also, this isn't an argument. I think that term is thrown around too loosely. It has such a negative connotation. This is your discussion. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. It's not even a debate. This was just A lively discussion. Cold War was crazy. I kind of wish we had spent more. That's crazy.

Jenner decades of children just were like, I wonder if there will be nuclear holocaust. Like I remember vividly, even though I was pretty young at the time, like MTV's coverage of the Berlin Wall coming down and shit like that. That started breaking news. You can draw up free straight. Like the CNN live streaming,

the Berlin Wall coming down, basically invented in the moment breaking news Anyway, hopefully this triggered some memories of your childhood if you're listening. I do think it's interesting. If you're a child of the mid-90s, email us. Ringar Fantasy Football at gmail.com. Let us know when your earliest culture memories began. All right, we can end it there.

That's fine. Earliest culture memories began. All right, we can end it there. That's fine. Let's move on. All right, goodbye, everyone.