The Ringer NFL Show - Sleepers for 2022

Episode Date: July 26, 2022

We run through our official sleepers for the 2022 season and bucket them into three categories: Light sleepers, classic sleepers, and deep sleepers. Then, we run through some news from around the league, including Kyler Murray’s video-game-related contract stipulation, and read a listener email. (3:51) - Light sleepers (22:43) - Classic sleepers (43:29) - Deep sleepers (63:48) - News (76:14) - Emails Check out The Ringer’s Fantasy Football Draft Guide! Email us! [e-mail]. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What's up, everybody? Are you tuning in to the Challenge USA on CBS? Well, tune in to me, Tyson Apostle, as I break down each and every episode with my co-host, Amelia Weddemeier. I'm also a contestant on the show, which gives you all the insider scoop. Amelia, how stoked are you to do this? Tyson, I'm freaking excited. I cannot wait to sit my butt down every single week to watch the show, then come here and recap it with you on The Ringer Reality TV podcast. Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. is Danny Hyphitz and I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Coralbeck and today is the day we are

introducing our sleepers for 2022 and also you can check out our full fantasy football rankings our draft guide is up as of Wednesday July 27th you can go to fantasy football dot the ringer.com that's fantasy football dot the ringer.com you can check out our fantasy rankings everything the whole shebang we put our heart and soul into it look it on your phone look on your computer it looks beautiful. Today's episode, we're doing our sleepers, and here's the thing about sleepers. It's kind of a weird term. Because some people are like, oh, give me a sleeper. I don't know, like the ninth round. And some people are like, that doesn't count as a sleeper. It's got to be like, you know, some random dude on the fourth in the depth chart you've never heard of.

So we're going to do the whole range of sleepers. We're going to people you have heard of, hopefully a couple people you've probably never heard of everything. Light sleep, deep sleep. I don't know, you're a dad. We're going to do like a little dad nap. Varying levels of slumber. Yeah, the circadian rhythms of fantasy football here. No, I think people get very offended when you, I feel like everybody, at least one person gets mad whenever you give a quote-unquote sleeper because they think it's not a sleeper or they think it's too deep of a sleeper. Beggers can't be choosers, folks.

We've got three categories here. One of them is an ode to me, I guess. It's called Dadnap. Yeah. Where basically you're watching TV with your kid, like it's been a long day. You doze off. You're kind of like half awake. you're aware vaguely what your kid is doing,

so in case like he's getting into trouble. It's like, when the dad falls asleep at his head, just is like kind of down, his chin is into his chest. Exactly. Still capable of doing the big time dad saves. Have you seen the videos of like the dad catching their kid with their foot or whatever

when they're falling on, about to fall on their head? You're awake enough to do that. Those videos aren't a part of my algorithm. I, yeah, no. I'll sign them over. Mine either. Dad saves are the best.

You'll love it. The second category. Sorry, quick aside. I hate that saying, that style of content is not a part of my algorithm is now a normal thing to say in system. But that was the most simple way to say it. What's crazy is, as soon as you start Googling stuff

for weddings or kids, it's amazing how quickly all your algorithms just throw all that stuff at you. Agreed. Anyway, I could go on a long tangent about algorithms here, but let's move on. The second one is REM sleep. It's like a good eight hours. Yeah, a good solid eight-hour sleep.

You're deep in sleep. Your eyes are moving really rapidly. Dreaming about... Mike Williams, whatever you dream about. The normal sleep that you want more of. You always want it. You don't always get enough of it.

Those are the mid-level sleepers. And then comatose, which is pretty self-explanatory. These are the deep, deep, deep sleepers. Some of them, most of them probably won't pan out. But we're going to throw them out there anyway because there's paths to,

you know, there's paths to production there. So, yeah, those are the three categories. The not threading out part sounded pretty dark for the coma part. Oh my God. D.K., you're the father. So in honor of that, do you want our first, like,

dad nap sleeper? Yes. Who are you dozing on the couch and thinking about? Yeah, this is the guy who just first comes to mind when I start falling asleep. Not sure if I'm awake or not. Christian Kirk of the Jaguars. Jaguars. Jaguars.

I've been told I can't say that word. Hyphiz, this is my version of penalties for you. No, that's like a thing many people say it that way. Right now, according to ADP, I've seen at Fantasy Pros. he's the wide receiver 45. We've got him ranked as the wide receiver 34. I think he has like the upside to be a top 24 receiver. Like there's a legitimate outcome.

This could happen. I think we're drafting him based on kind of how his career has been to this point. And his giant contract aside, like I don't really care about that. I just think he's going to be the number one option in this offense. And I think Trevor Lawrence is going to make a big jump. So that's what I'm buying. I'm assuming both of those things are going to happen and I think they could happen. And I think he could happen.

it ended up being like a top 24 receiver. In fact, last year, he was the wide receiver 24 and a half PVR overall. So, you know, obviously this is a different team, different offense, all that. But I think he's going to be peppered with targets. I also had Christian Kirk on my list. Oh, do you really? Yeah, I had him too. I love this.

You guys, he... Oh, I was going to push back. Can I put... Are we in pushback area or are we still doing positive? Push back. Wake us up from the dad nap. Dad's got stuff to do. Just grab my shoulders and shake me.

When DeAndre Hopkins went down with... his knee injury, Christian Kirk, like, didn't really take off. Now he's probably going to be on a worst team

with a similar role, right, as he did in the DeAndre Hopkins list Cardinals. It's like, if he didn't do it then, what makes you

confident he's going to do it now? Well, because Kyler Murray isn't playing video games last year, and now he's got Jacksonville. Trevor Lawrence

doesn't play any video games, to my knowledge. Yeah, you're right. He was just fucking terrible all of last year. That makes you feel better?

Well, Urban Meyer was there. Herbert Meyer was in bars after they lost on Thursday night football. Now they have Doug Peterson. Kyler Murray is good. I don't know what. What are you arguing here? You just think straight up Trevor Lawrence is better than Kyler Murray? No, that's not at all what I'm trying to say.

What I'm saying is the Jaguar, like, in real life, this contract was a meme. The Jaguars gave Christian Kirk like $18 million a year. And then every receiver in the NFL was like, I'm underpaid if Christian Kirk is getting $18 million a year. I get that. But then it was such an extreme reaction. Everyone's afraid to say, okay, but Christian Kirk might have good statistics this year. he's getting paid $18 million a year.

Obviously they see him as the number one guy. All the other receivers he's going around are like low end number twos that we're hoping to break out. Like, I don't know, like Devante Smith, people around him. Like these are number twos. Christian Kirk is obviously the number one guy in Jacksonville. Yeah, I guess it's just when he was the number one in Arizona after week 10, he never had a game with 100 yards and he had one touchdown.

I mean, I get, yeah, I get that. I think he has been overwhelming, I should say, during his career. And I think that's the reason he is the wide receiver 45 right now instead of somewhere more in like the 20-25s or whatever in that range because last year again like I said he was the wide receiver 24 and a half BBR that's overall I think you're right to point out that he wasn't like

you know big explosion type high upside high ceiling type guy but I mean he had 77 catches for 982 yards five touchdowns like that's not a terrible year and we're also talking about like the ninth round I think Craig your concerns as Dika said they're priced it yeah you're right I'm just kind of picking

it's here I do think he's priced in as floor I would say yes and he has a I think he has a strong floor. Like, he's going to be the number one guy. He's going to lead the team in targets. There's probably no one else who's even going to come close. Marvin Jones had 120 targets last year. I think we could see Christian Kirk easily clips that. We also talked about how a lot of times the breakout receivers come from teams that are surprisingly have a high win total. I'm not saying the Jaguars going to make the playoffs or anything, but when the Jaguars went out and spent, I think, 140 million guaranteed free agents.

one of the most biggest spending sprees in the history of free agency. I'm not saying that was a good idea for the team. And in two or three years, it won't look like a disaster because it probably will. But when teams got to spend $130 million, they do usually get better on the immediately. It's like a bad real life plan. But you do usually get a lot better at offense like as a stop gap. It's not smart to give Evan Ingram $9 million in Christian Kirk 18. But the Jaguars will definitely be better on offense this year.

Also, because they have an actual coach with Doug Peterson who won a Super Bowl, whereas Urban Meyer kicked his kicker and was like, make your kick, stupid. That literally happened. Anyway, Josh Allen, the past rusher for the Jags today, I think he was saying to the media that it's really nice and refreshing having an adult as the head coach,

someone who talks to them like an adult. I love all those backhanded compliments or those backhanded insults. They're so funny. Just like read between the lines things. I think honestly, the Jags cannot get any worse than last year. I think their offense,

Hyphitz, as you said, it's going to be significantly better. I think Trevor Lawrence is going to be significantly better. And I think Christian Kirk is going to be the main beneficiary. Last year, he finally kind of played like majority in the slot. He's 77% slot rate last year. I think that's where he's best. I think that's where he's going to play this year. And he's basically going to be taken over for Liviscus,

Chanel, who is the team's primary slot last year. And he's a significant upgrade over that. So I think, like I said, he could push for 130 maybe targets this year, maybe more. and assuming he can stay healthy, he's kind of like their primary big play threat too. So I don't know, I just think he's being priced inappropriately. He's like inappropriately low.

I think that's a great way to put it. inappropriately low for Krisha Kirk. It's a bet on situation more than talent. Yeah. Yeah, because I don't think he's like the best receiver in the world, but I just think he's in a good situation. He's going to be the number one and he's good enough to take advantage. Let's follow the money.

I don't see. He's like the indie sleeper that's getting trendier. And then when he gets mainstream, we're going to be like, well, you know, he's mainstream now we liked his early stuff we were there a live show like in a bar you know people hadn't even heard of Christian Kirk 40 people yeah his mixtapes

all right uh Craig you have a god yet all these guys are in like the exact same range cadarius Tony and Christian Kirk are all like in the 110 to 12080p like 11thish round in a draft we haven't ranked 83rd cadarious Tony so there's kind of like two there's like the nerd argument and there's like the football guy argument they're both positive the nerd argument

argument is if you look at all the underlying stats, he's like he's having, he had an elite rookie season. I know he was hurt a ton. But basically when the dude was on the field, I'll run through a couple. If you don't know what the hell I'm talking about, send us an email, we'll send you a rundown. 25%

target rate per route, tied for seventh best in the NFL. That basically means when the dude is on the field running routes, they threw him the ball. Yeah, a lot. His yards per route run, 2.1. Of all the rookies who have ever had that number, eclipse that number, since 2011, in the last 10 years, 11 years.

Here are the guys who have done that. Tyree Kill, Odell Beckham, Doug Baldwin, Justin Jefferson, AJ Green, Jamar Chase, AJ Brown, Julio Jones, and Juju. That's it. Who have had that number.

Every single one of them has had a good career, I guess except Juju has been a little bit up and down. His team was targeted per route at second highest rate of any rookie since 2011. The first was Tyree Kill.

I mean, this guy is putting up elite numbers when he's on the field. Obviously, he had a lot of, you know, he had a chaotic year. He had injuries, the cleats thing. He wore the wrong size cleats.

He skipped. voluntary offseason stuff. He was tested for COVID a couple times positive. And the Giants were like rumored to have been trading him this off season or at least shopping him. They drafted Wondale Robinson, a wide receiver in the second round. But the football guy argument, the non-nerd argument is like, have you watched this dude play? Have you watched him move? Dude, go back and watch his game against the Saints and the Cowboys and you will be convinced that this man is a top 10 talent in the league. He is, if not already, the shiftyest wide receiver in the league,

electric with the ball in his hands. And obviously, it goes without saying that this is going to be a very different Giants team, we think. They're obviously rebuilding for the long term, and it's not like they're going to flip the switch and immediately be the bills. But it's going to look a lot different with day ball, you know, calling the plays with Jason Garrett and Joe Judge out of here. So Cadarius Tony, going in the 11th round, and as a guy who, in my opinion, has the talent of a guy who should be drafted top 30 overall. And this is kind of the opposite argument

of like a Russell Gage or a Christian Kirk who we like in our solid talents but they're in a good situation. To me, Cadarius Tony's situation is a bit tenuous, but talent-wise, he has the upside that you would want drafting him in the 11th round

where this guy, it could be week four, and he's catching 10 balls a game for 120 yards. And we're like, welcome, this is the Cadarius Tony year. This guy's going to be a top two-round pick next year. I agree with everything you said. literally everything you said.

And I almost put him on my list too. And I have one problem with the reason I had one reason that I didn't end up putting him on this list, which is Cadarious Tony is basically Anthony Davis. There is always a reason for Cadarious Tony to leave the game. But he's only been, he's played one season. He was a quarterback in high school. He got to Florida. And like he's just never been a guy that takes hits. It's just like he was a quarterback.

He missed like half his freshman season with a shoulder injury. He was solid as a sophomore. He missed half his junior season with the shoulder injury. And then like, again, was like fine. But he's always as a nagging injury. As you mentioned, I just, here's the, here's my question for you. So 2021, here are his injury designations. He had COVID twice, as you mentioned.

Hamstring issue, ankle issue, thumb issue, quad injury, oblique shoulder. And then he had arthroscopic knee injury this offseason. So here's my question. How many players in NFL history have had nine separate injury designations in their first year in the week. You look, they keep this stat? I don't know. No, I don't.

It's rhetorical. I'm just like, it's concerning. No, I mean, I get that. That all makes sense. But like, I don't know, this guy's in his second year. Everybody's always banged up. It's pressed into his ankle injury. It's pressed into his ADP too.

That's the answer, D.K. I just, the thing I keep coming back, I agree. It's price into the ADP. Like, where you're going to take Tony, I agree, Craig, it's worth the upside. Because also, it's a weekly game. Like, the weeks that he plays, he's probably going to really good. But what I keep thinking is, like, You can actually wait like 20 more picks and get Kenny Goladay,

who is the Giants are paying $19 million a year this year. Sure. And again, he also has injury issues, but he, I feel like Goladay is actually going to be the guy who's better because the Giants will be better as a whole, just going from Jason Garrett to Brian Dable. Honestly, I think they double their touchdowns. Goladay is going to play the most amount of snaps, I think we can, we can all assume that he will run the most routes on the team.

I am just voting on like the cream rising to the top and Tony is the cream in the scenario. Like, I do think he's the, God, if somebody clips, Tony is the cream, that's going to be rough. Yeah. But I just think the guy's like legitimately a top 10 receiver in the league and my next sleeper, I feel the same way about. Hi Fitz, you mentioned just now the touchdowns thing. I was listening to a good pod from JJ Zacharison that was talking about team-wide regression to the mean. The Giants, as I like to say, as often as I can, sucked at scoring touchdowns last year. They had 15 passing touchdowns.

And as JJ was pointing out, basically like, when you have that low of a number, teams are historically just going to regress to the mean in terms of like positive regression. They're going to score more touchdowns the next year because it's unheard of to score that few of touchdowns. Like they got a new coach, obviously, that's a big deal. I think the offensive scheme and structure and play sequencing and all that is going to be massively improved. Well, and the two guys we just mentioned, Tony had zero touchdowns last year.

First round pick. Goliday, $19 million a year. They signed him. Zero touchdowns last year. The touchdowns are coming, baby. JJ was actually even pointing out, like, it could double and it wouldn't, like, surprise anybody. I just said that a minute ago.

Yeah. So I think that is a huge, huge deal. You said that they're going to double the touchdowns? Yeah, I've been saying it to you for like a month because they were last, but if they doubled it, they'd be exactly average, and that's totally boss. You didn't just say it, though, right? No, I did. Am I crazy?

Craig, am I having a stroke? Yeah, a minute ago, I said, I think they'll double their touchdowns. He did say that. Oh, Jesus Christ. Okay. You need a dad nap. I was listening. I think you were mumbling.

Anyways. Me? I've never been accused of mumbling in my life. I'll say, I'm going to try and hone my listening skills hyphids, but I did not hear that. Anyway, yeah, I agree with all this. I love Tony.

I think he's going to have a breakout year. Are we leaving the dad nap, or are we allowed to slip in one more? Are we going to do an honorary honorable mentions later on? You said you had another guy, right? Yeah, you guys are going to hate me, but can I extol the virtues of Chase Claypool? Yes.

No, this is a good. good one. This is a good pick. I'm so mad. I'm so mad. Maybe he's actually good, as I like to say. He's like actually good at football. I'd like to nominate Chase Claypool. And I'm putting a lot of stock in this because he's also on the team I root for, but I'd like to nominate Chase Claypool as this year's Mike Williams. I do think it's possible. Yeah. First, I'd like to describe Chase Claypool as an athlete. He has 6-4-238, runs a 4-4-2, 40-and-a-half-inch vertical. He is in the 99th percentile athletically. Basically, he's the only guy to do what he did in the combine other than Calvin

Johnson. Yeah. Not basically. That is literally the case. He's the second receiver at 6'4 or over 235 pounds or bigger to run a sub 4-4-5-40. Yeah. The guy at 11 touchdowns as a rookie. And then last year happened and it was a disaster.

Big Ben's season last year cannot go understated. Sorry, cannot go overstated for how it affected Chase Claypool. It's like you could go through the numbers. All of Ben's passes last year traveled like three yards in the air. He had a horrible DVOA. He was basically Taylor Heineke, Baker Mayfield. or David Davis Mills. That was like the level of

quarterback play that he was giving off last year. And I don't think there was a receiver that has been ruined more than Ben Rothesberger ruined Chase Claypool last year. Well, Claypool also kind of ruin himself because he knows the Calvin Johnson thing. That stuff I think is a little bit overblown

to be quite honest. He said he was a top three receiver in the league like a month ago. Everybody says that. His ADP has dropped two rounds because he signaled for a first down in the two-minute offense. He was like celebrating.

Do you remember this? Yeah. Yes. Got like so pissed at him. I think we're underestimating how much of a different offense Pittsburgh is going to put out this year. Even with guys like Tribiski, who's like, you know, obviously not that good. I mean, Alan Robinson had 98 catches, 1,100 yards,

and 102 catches, 1,200 yards with Trubisky in his last two seasons with him. It is not impossible for Mitch Trubisky or Kenny Pickett, who, by the way, reading D.K.'s draft profile, Pickett is a great deep ball passer. He's accurate. He can get out of the pocket. He's mobile. and can throw the ball deep.

And Claypool is one of the better deep ball receivers in the league, like a Mike Williams. I think Chase Claypool, like Cadarious Tony, has so much talent, and he's always been in the wrong situation. And he showed a glimpse of it that rookie year when he had 11 touchdowns. He's another one where it could be week four. And NFL Red Zone keeps cutting to Pittsburgh because Chase Claypool made another 40-yard immaculate catch. And I think he's the most talented wide receiver on the team.

I agree with everything you said about Claypool, but I don't think. Kenny Pickett plays a snap this year. I think it's Mitchell Trubisky's starting. You don't think he plays a snap? No, I don't. I think Mitchell Trubisky is the starter. Oh, I don't agree. It's going to be very interesting. Kenny Pickett, I think he will, week one, he will be the third quarterback. It's going to be Trubisky, Rudolph is the two, and then Pickett will be three.

That's how it currently is in the pecking quarter. Yeah, it's July. I guarantee you, Pickett will be the backup night. Pickett. I was looking at the schedule. I was trying to figure out when Pickett plays. Me and Corey at the ringer versus Steelers. I will put a bet on this with you. I think he'll be the third quarterback. Week one will be the third quarterback barring injury. Okay, that's like borderline semantics. Do you think who plays more snaps this year, Mason Rudolph or Pickett?

All right, well snaps, I guess you're getting into injuries and stuff, but if everyone's healthy, I don't think Trubisky like sucks. I think he's the quarterback. If you're willing to put your money on the idea that Trubisky won't suck, I'd happily take that back. Will you pay the debt that I owe Danny Kelly for being wrong that Todd Gurley plays football again? What is that? $20,000 now with interest?

It's $300 and I'm only I'm holding on because I said literally never again. But anyway, Claypool is going in the 10th round. You're right about that. He's way too talented. And the point is, whoever's a quarterback, it's a different offense. And I think you're right. It is hard to explain

how much the Steelers' offense was just the entire, like, they were literally leading the league in shotgun because Ben was too slow to get back from under center. Two-thirds of Ben's passes last year traveled less than five air yards. He's just getting rid of them.

He broke all the records for getting the ball like seconds to throw in all the pro football focused databases. It's just Ben Rothesberger over the last two seasons because he was so slow he couldn't avoid pressure anymore and he couldn't break tackle. He had to just sort of throw it. But like I completely agree that it's so bad for, you're right. A guy as athletic as Claypool is just a very intelligent dart throw. He's just been infuriating player to watch and.

Why are all the Steelers receivers just so chaotic? I think that they actually, it's like their market in a. efficiency. They'll take all the guys who have, I don't know. Like De Yonsei Johnson, extremely talented, one of the better route runners in the NFL. Just stone hands. Just hands of stone.

Also, looks like he breaks his leg every third catch. That's the other thing. He gets, he has a season-ending injury every game, and then he just magically comes in like a couple of plays later. I can't tell you how many times I've texted my friends. Like, oh God, DeAnde, Deonti Johnson

just tore his ACL. And then like, I'm fine. He's back in the game. Yeah. They have the baby ligaments, you know? They just get to fall down and they get back up. Claypool. And then Claypool is just,

he's as chaotic as like Cadarius, Tony. He's just up there in the chaos, chaos metric or whatever. Chaotic people. Super talented. And I agree with all this. I like him a lot this year. I think,

I think Ben was holding the team back a lot. But also, Ben was holding back the scheme a lot. You know, they brought Matt Canada in, and then essentially Rothesburg just ran his, own offense. And so we're actually going to see, I think, what Canada wants to do, like,

with all the motion, all the play action, all the more creative ways to kind of get guys open and things like that. It's going to be exciting. I can't wait to watch this offense. Yeah, the Steelers have been, like, last in play action rate, like forever. Hold on, hold on. You can't wait to watch Mitchell Trebisky run the Steelers. You can't wait. I mean, jump it at the bit. It's all relative. I'm excited for football. Give me a break. And Gino Smith battling for quarterback. I'm excited to see what a real offense looks like with not Ben Rathusberg are running it. Wait, I don't think I've ever asked you this, since you're a Seahawks fan.

Would you rather have Mitchell Tribisky or your current options of Drew Locke or Gino-Smith? I mean, I think the Seahawks had that option, right? I'm asking you. It's pretty, it's a wash. I don't care. I would probably take... Yeah, I'd probably take Gino, I guess. I don't know.

Can't wait to watch Trubisky. None of them are good options. So those are our dad-naps sleepers. We got Christian Kirk for the Jags, Cedars Tony for the Giants, Chase Glipl for the Steelers. good. Those are really solid sleepers. I think it goes to their overarching thing of wanted to throw a lot of darts at like talented receivers later. All right, we're going into REM

now, but more like classic sleepers right here. Some real, some good sleep. Like a guy your dad is probably not heard of. You know? Or your dad knows them, but wouldn't get the name right. Yeah. Okay. Who do you want to go first? I can lead this off or you can go.

It's up to you? Go ahead, Hyphitz. I'll listen this time. So, honestly, I'm going to plug a Bill's running back. But I can't really decide which one. Oh, this is interesting. Because I also have a Bill's running back on my life. There's a very cool option in Buffalo. And I keep going back and forth. There's the cool sleeper, the trendy sleeper is James Cook. James Cook, who is Dalvin Cook's younger brother. The Bills took him in the second round. He is already two days in the darling of training camp. The Bill's reporters are saying he's the most explosive running back Buffalo's had since

Lechon McCoy. And honestly, the sales pitch for James Cook, really simple. He's the best receiving back on the bills, and the bills are probably going to throw the most passes and score the most points this season. So you'd think it'd be really simple, right? And you should take James Cook. Is there a, is there a butt coming? I keep, because I want it just, I just feel like they have this receiving role carved out. They want a guy to third down back and catch passes from Josh Allen. And like, they want a more receiving option. Because Devin Singletary was, I mean, honestly like the number two fantasy running back over the December or the final five weeks

of the season, but he's not a good receiver and the bill's like they throw the most in the league so they want a better receiving back. But I just feel like unless Singletary gets hurt, James Cook is not going to have, you know, people are kind of envisioning like an Alvin Camara-esque role for James Cook. And the reality is

Alvin Camara was so efficient even though he wasn't getting a bunch of snaps because Drew Brees was checking it down all the time. Is Josh Allen going to start checking it down to James Cook all the time? I feel like when Josh Allen wants to check down, he runs for 10 yards. So I'm torn on like how good James Cook could really be as a rookie. He's going to have to learn to pick up blitzes and stuff.

Meanwhile, Devin Singletary is right there. Devin Singletary was the number two running back in the final five weeks of the season. And like, he's going to be like the main running back on the best offense in football. I know they're not going to be running all the time. The bills aren't trying to run 30 times a game. But part of me is like, damn, man. They want Josh Allen to be healthy for the run. they kind of have him running later and later in the season at the goal line each season as it goes.

I'm like, man, why couldn't Devin Singletary be a top 10 running back at the halfway point of the season if the bills lead the league in points? What's the expression of high fits? The enigma wrapped in a riddle wrapped in a whatever. I don't know. Enigma wrapped in a riddle wrapped in a mystery. Yeah. Whereas Patrick Starr said, the machinations of my inner mind are an enigma. I just think that's trying to figure out the bill's offense and the bill's running back.

rotation in general because there are so many variables. Number one, as you said, Josh Allen is going to steal some reps, especially or steal some snaps and steal some rushes, especially in the goal line area, which is very important, of course, because he's going to steal a lot of those touchdowns. He doesn't check down quite as much, and the bills historically, or at least the last couple years, have been one of the past happiest teams in the NFL. So that all together kind of makes you like think maybe we're just paying too much attention to these running backs in general anyway. But then the way that the bills finished the season last year, where they kind of got like a little more run heavy, they leaned more heavily on Devon Singletary, they kind of became more of a traditional offense, at least relative to what they had been because teams are playing so many of these two high looks and trying to like dare Josh Allen to, you know, check down or whatever. Maybe that's something that they kind of adopt this next year.

Plus, by the way, Brian Dayball is no longer in Buffalo. There's a new offensive coordinator. I mean, obviously things are going to say probably mostly the same. But there's just so many variables right now. And that's why it makes it pretty damn impossible to decide who to really back in terms of this backfill. I think honestly, I think both of them are sleepers because I had James Cook written down. But I also was tempted to put Singletary for all the reasons that you stated. I think obviously you won a piece of the best offense in the NFL or one of the best offenses in the NFL.

And at some point, you're going to have to gamble on one of these two guys being, you know, like a true fantasy star. But it's definitely tough to know what one to play. put like what which one to put a chip on i guess yeah because james cook again the much sexier option brother of dalvin is somewhere between jd mkissick who the bill's actually almost signed a free agency but he's somewhere between jd mckisick and alvin camera and it'll probably be somewhere in the middle closer to mcissick than camara which one of those is much cooler sounding than the others then there's devon singletary and again what he reminds me of is james connor last year this running back who's like the lead running back for their team sitting there with like the 90s and

fifth pick. And you're like, well, I know this guy. I don't want this guy. I've seen him play. He's fine. And then James Connor just goes out and was like amazing last year. And what did he end up being at top five, top six running back on the whole year? And like, that's the one where I look at Devon Singletarian. And like, is that the guy staring you in the face that just, you know, lead running back on the best offense in the NFL and don't overthink it. So honestly, I think it's something we'll have to monitor through training camp. Because here's the thing, James Cook got zero first team reps in OTAs. Now, maybe that's just shout out to, um, Greg cover one. Greg, Tom said who does great work covering the bills. A lot of great film stuff.

He pointed out to me that James Cook had zero first team reps and that maybe that's because Sean McDermott, the bill's coach is like, you got to earn it, son. You know what I mean? You got to work your way up here. That's classic rookie coach hazing. Yeah. It is. So I want to see James Cook earn more first team reps as training camp goes on. So I think it's something to monitor. But one of these bills running backs is going to be good. Maybe both. Yeah. It kind of reminds you of the situation where it's like Melvin Gordon and Echler a little bit where they're both going to be it's like 1A1B. Yeah, sorry, with the chargers.

And I think it's like, you know, I think Singletary will be ostensibly or nominally the starter. But I think that James Cook is going to get plenty of opportunities to be in there and passing down situations and two minute drills, you know, and get his opportunities to catch the ball. Plus, by the way, the slot receiver position, the number three receiver position for the bills. right now is like totally up in there. So there's a chance that he ends up getting some of those snaps too. Maybe they use two running backs. But obviously that's not like, that's not a big needle mover.

I just think that there's going to be sort of a one A, 1B situation here with the running backs. And at the end of the day, I honestly kind of think both of them are sleepers. So yeah, I would definitely be willing to take a risk on both of these guys a little bit later in drafts. Right now, Devin Singletary is going as the RB29.

Yeah. I think these are solid picks. My fear is just like they're going to like, eat into each other's workload and the bills throw the ball a tonne, the running backs don't catch a ton of passes. And these once again are just like guys who just aren't going to get, they'd have to be crazy efficient, I think to be, to get like a real returning kind of explode. People really love to throw around Alvin Camara as a comp. Teams love saying, this is going to be our Alvin Camara, the guy who has like the most specifically unique skill set to match the team's, you know, game plan

with the quarterback who loves to check down. Like every single star aligned for Alvin Camara to be Alvin Camara and every team is like, oh, we really see Duke Johnson as our Alvin Camara. It's like, cool, so does everybody. And then Sean McVeigh had compared Daryl Henderson to Alvin Camara, but they slipped up and said, you know, Camara, Lance Dunbar and was like, oh, yeah, okay, okay, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, but just to be clear on what I mean, Singletary, if Singletary's going in the eighth round and James Cook's going in the 13th round, give me James Cook every time. It's like, it's only when they, you know, I'd rather probably have the running back who's

going later, for being honest here. Who wants to go next? another REM sleeper. Classic sleeper. Eight hours. I can go. This is the classic snoozer pick, too. It's Tim Patrick of the Broncos.

Oh, man. It's like the red herring in Denver is Cortland Sutton. The other red herring, Jerry Judy. Like, both of those guys are going to be good or whatever. But there is a world. There is a scenario where, like, Tim Patrick is the top, top receiver in this offense. It's within his range of outcomes.

That is the most fantasy phrase. everybody says it's well within his range of outcomes. It is. You can do even better than that and say like it seems more likely than not that he out snaps Jerry Judy this season. Right, because he's going to be in the two two receiver sets in theory

or like he has been over the last couple year or last year. And he's been really consistent. He has really good hands. He's got elite size. He's like a good jump ball guy. His style fits what Russell Wilson has typically liked in his career.

You know, to go up and get a guy. guy, the guy he trusts. So I just think that there's this option where, you know, we're all really focused on Sutton and Judy, which, you know, I don't think they're going to be total bust, but I think there's a, again, there's this chance where Tim Patrick is like the best receiver on this team and is the highest producing receiver on this team. If you watch the Broncos, you feel that way sometimes, don't you? He looks like it. He was, he was like their best receiver down the stretch last year. He's been pretty consistent for them. I mean, he has 51 catches in 2020,

a 53 catches in 2021 and 11 touchdowns in that stretch. I mean, he's been like a pretty good player. I think, again, we'd say this every time, but the Tim Patrick is just a really boring name. And so no one gets excited about him. He kind of came out of nowhere. But every time you see him, he's doing something good. And he, like Heif had said, he's the starter in the two receiver set.

So he's going to get the snaps. So I don't know. He's right now he's going as a wide receiver 54, according to Fantasy Pro's, a hundred and that's so funny. Sorry, no, sorry, we've got him ranked there. He's going against the wide receiver 59. So we're above ADP on him. Yeah, we are.

We have them higher two. Tim Patrick has put up back-to-back seasons as the best wide receiver on the Broncos. Yeah. Just straight up. And they just paid them three years, 34 million. High Fitz likes to say money talks.

That's a big one what Craig just said, because it's important. Remember, Jerry Judy was drafted by the old front office. So like the new front office, George Payton, the GM, and also new ownership, obviously. George Payton took over his GM,

inherited Jerry Judy. And then during last season, which was their first year, they gave Tim Patrick a contract extension during the season which I mean that's like usually a pretty good sign when a GM in their first year was like we got to lock that guy up

that you know and they just throw you know Jerry I mean where was Tim Patrick even drafted I mean when they throw a guy with not much pedigree it wasn't it was like a $30 million dealer is probably closer to like 15 really but still it's it would be just beautiful

if all the hype on Jerry Judy and Cortland Sutton and then this guy going outside I mean the top 120 really, was just actually the number one guy with Russell Wilson. I love this one. I'll give you four bonus stars if you guess what team Patrick started his NFL career with. Is it an AFC? I don't know. The Titans?

Nope. Cleveland? Nope. Who was it? The Ravens. He was signed as an undrafted free agent by the Ravens in May, and then he was waived in July. He didn't even make it through training camp. He went to the 49ers and then was waived, I think, final roster cutdowns by the 49ers, landed with the Broncos.

So he was with two teams before the season even started. He was on his third team, the Denver Broncos, by the time his first season started. Yeah, I like to root for these guys. And also, this is just an excellent one, DK. Coming out of the draft, he's 6-4, 208 pounds, ran a 4-7-40, a 6.993, which is extremely, extremely quick for a guy who's 6-4, by the way. 37-inch vert, 10-foot-8 broad. He's a really good athlete. I don't understand why we're not more excited about this guy.

I guess maybe because he was on three different teams before his first season started. And people don't really forget about that undrafted thing. The pedigree does matter for a lot of people. But man, when he's got an opportunity, he's been really good. All right. This is just a fantastic REM sleeper here. Craig, you got a REM guy for us?

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills with Alan Lazard. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Lazzard and Patrick are like the same player, by the way. Again, maybe we're just merging the all-boring team with sleepers, but what are we doing here, folks? He's going in the 11th round. Alan Lazzard was the wide receiver 7 over the last five weeks of the season. The rest of the receivers on the Packers.

That just doesn't sound right. You can't prove that. Yeah. The rest of the receivers on the Packers. Packers are Christian Watson, who just was put on the pup list. A rookie on the pup is trying to get on pages Aaron Rogers' as a death sentence. And Sammy Watkins, who they pay

barely any money. Other than that, they have Randall Cobb who's a lot of guy. Watkins might not make the team. Yeah, and Amari Rogers. Like, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Aaron Rogers, back-to-back MVP, his number one receiver is clearly Alan Lazard. And he's going in the 11th round.

The earliest pass catcher on the Green Bay Packers, who have won 13 games, three straight years in a row, is going in the 11th round. I don't, I don't know what's going on. I'll tell you exactly what's going on. It's very simple. It's very simple. Aaron Rogers literally said, Alan Lazard does our dirty work.

And now he's going to get a chance to be our number one guy. And everyone is basically look around and be like, no, no. Alan, that guy? I watched, I'm catching up on. Exactly the most truthful person in the world. Well, but you know what I'm reminds you? D.K. Because D.K. made a bunch of jokes about energy vampire. And, like, I'm catching up on what we do in the shadows. Great show. I'm on season one. But there's this great moment where,

like, you know, a very, like, big, famous, like, powerful vampire dies and, like, the lowliest familiar, like, accidentally kills this, like, very powerful vampire. And then he admits to it in their little vampire trial. And they all look around. They're like, no, no way. Not you. You killed? No, no, that was cute. And it's, that's Alan Azard, though. It's just like, No one's saying he's Devante Adams. We're not saying Alan Lazzard's going to, like, you know, get 190 targets. But I think to Craig's point, if you just look at, like, what the Packers are trying to do this season and what we expect, I mean, we don't expect Aaron Rogers to fall off a cliff. We're not really pricing in where these catches are going to go.

Someone has to catch passes in Green Bay. And if it's not Luzard, do we need to move Aaron Jones up, like, 10 spots because he'll be the number one receiver? Or, like, who is going to lead this team in catches? I mean, I would have said like Bob Tanya but now he's on a PUP list too and he's probably going to be ready to go at the beginning of the year. So it's like there are no other option.

So Marty Rogers is another kind of like deep, deep sleeper. Yeah, so right now, Luzard is going as the wide receiver 46 in drafts. Last year, he was the wide receiver 45 with Devonte Adams on the team. That is, I think that might be one of the best stat pulls you've ever had for the show, Craig. Fantasy is very backwards looking. That's officially the craziest thing I've heard in 2020.

I'm taking crazy pills. Craig gave me a really dirty look when I brought the name Amari Rogers up. But I just wanted to talk about it really, really quickly here because I saw someone say this and it stuck with me as like, if it's acknowledged, it's generally accepted, everybody believes it that Rogers is just simply not going to pass the ball to rookies ever, right? Like that's kind of the general acknowledgement. Why are we all giving up on Amari Rogers? Is this your comatose?

That's a good one too, but I'm writing him in. I didn't have him on here, but I'm writing him in because... Can I tell you honest to God, my half feeling here is when Devante Adams left the Packers, it was almost like everyone kept trying to like, all right, we'll wait and see what they do in the draft and to finish out projecting what they really do because Lazard won't be the guy. And also, basically, I think that there's a huge bias because Alan Lazard does not have the athletic, or really the skill set, I guess I would say, of like other breakout receiver candidates.

And I think what we're forgetting is that the skill is being where Aaron Rogers wants you to be at the millisecond he says to be there. And like the skill is knowing what Aaron Rogers thinks and wants and being there and him putting it in this like football shaped cylinder size window. And like as long as he can do that, then we have to keep our minds open and the possible that, yeah, maybe he'll be great. I don't know. I just keep coming back to how people thought Devante Adams was a bust after two,

like two years, not even. one. Yeah. And I keep, I just, I don't know, I'm trying to have an open mind. So I think you're right. Alien Lizard is, I'm a little worried that Alan Lanzards Mike Davis as a receiver, but the difference is like, Aaron Rogers is like, yeah, that's my number one and we just won't believe him. And it's like, well, yeah, who is, who is the Cordero Patterson on the, on the, on the on the Packers this year? Honestly, it's Aaron Jones. Sammy Watkins. I don't think Sammy Watkins might even make this team. I feel like he might get cut. We were probably saying about that about Patterson last year.

True. If Seymokens makes the team, I think that the answer is what if Aaron Jones just catches 90 passes. Yeah. I mean, I could definitely see that. This is a good one,

Chris, it's a really good one. All right, so those are the REM sleepers. Any of the REM sleepers? I have a couple, but we, when we can save them

for future episodes. Give us a quick pitch on one. Yeah. I'll just throw a couple, a pair of Patriots. It's Ramonjo Stevenson, the running back for the paths and then Jacoby Myers

for the receiver. Jacobi Myers, you can get the number one receiver in the Patriots in like the 14th round. That's kind of weird, isn't it? This is because he never scores sketch shots. Yeah.

Is he the number one receiver? Not like in the traditional sense, but he has, he leads the team in catches one or two years in a row. And I bet we'll do it again this year. So, you know, he plays in this slot. He's not like a traditional number one guy, but he is the number one. He's the leading New England receiver going in the 14th round, even though everyone thinks the offense will be better. Did Craig have Devante Parker on his list? Is that why you were, uh, increduling?

I don't. I think there's just so much unknown with New England's offense. They don't even have an offensive coordinator. Yeah, but he's going in the 14th round. I think the Matt Patricia Joe Judge combos factored in here. Jacobi Myers is the worst touchdown luck to start a career, literally ever. And I mean literally ever. He broke the record for most catches to start a career without a touchdown, which ended up being 131 catches without a touchdown until he had one week 10 last year. And he also had 1,500 plus yards. And like, we always say at the end of the day, touchdown, eight touchdowns, there's a thousand plays in the season. And like it's such a small sample to pick at eight,

why did they go in the end zone? Honestly, it's a mix of randomness. Jacobi Myers could have fucking seven this season, but be the same person. It's literally the unluckiest guy ever, 14th round's crazy. And the remandre for the Pats, again, he's just Damien Harris contract year.

He's the lead guy for New England, but like, Remandre, more efficient as a runner, more efficient as a receiver. More explosive? Yeah, James White, I think might get shipped off to see. and then I think Ramandre is just better all-around player. Put it on ice flow. That's what they do with the Patriots nowadays.

Exactly. As long as remand— Well, no, it's too hot for that. But yeah, I don't know. When the sea's drain from the heat wave, let's put him at the barry with the sand. But anyway, I just think remandre, as long as it doesn't fumble in September,

might take the job. We'll see. Yeah, the Ramadre thing is funny because last year I was all excited about him. And then in the first, like, few times he played, he, like, fumbled. He, like, messed up a couple of, of his past pro reps or whatever. And then he was just like in the doghouse for a couple weeks.

So that just didn't happen. Failure to launch. But he did like look really pretty good when he was playing. He ripped off a couple of big runs. He's very shifty for his size. And he's apparently been working on his past catching chops in the off season because he wants to be the third downback. And if he is in that role, that could be really, really valuable. Of course, he's got a lot of guys to compete with.

They did draft a, they drafted two running backs. The Patriots did. So that kind of muddies the water. The past rookie running backs never do anything. It's very rare. Remandre played last year, though, which is encouraging for Romandre, but also sort of like maybe that means that they're going to play these rookies again. Like, it's, you know, it's hard to get a grasp on this in this backfield.

I agree with you, though. I think that the talent is going to show through, and Romandre is going to be a good player. I think he's going to be a fantasy relevant player. Also, find me a running back that isn't, quote, working on their passing game in the offseason. Derek Henry. No, of course. Every year, it's like, well, they're going to work him into,

screens more. Nick Chub. Yeah, maybe Chub. Maybe Chub's the only one. All right, so those are the REM sleepers. Those are the classic. Let's do a little coma sleepers here. The deep sleeps.

So the lowest spot we have ranked the first running back on their team is Devin Singletary at 91st. Just kidding. It's Damien Pierce at 130th. Damien Pierce is my comatose. He is a Texan's running back. a rookie out of Florida. He was drafted in the fourth round. We have him ranked 130th. He is the only Texans running back we have ranked in general.

And it's 130th. His ADP on fantasy pros is 171st. He is practically going undrafted. And he very well could be the starting running back on the Houston Texans. I know that's not saying much, but he could be a literal starting running back. The other players in the team, for those of you don't know, the running back squad and Houston is Marlon Mack, they signed to a one year two million dollar deal, most of it not guaranteed. They also have Rex Burkhead and Royce Freeman and Dari Agumboale.

Rex Burkhead is like 33 years old. Marlon Mack, I guess, is the alleged starter right now. He hasn't had more than 28 rushes in a season since 2019. He tore his Achilles. I don't know. I just think every year there's kind of a running back who churns out points on a team nobody really expects. I guess last year is maybe Elijah Mitchell,

but you have like James Robinson, David Montgomery in 2019, Philip Lindsay on Denver had over 1,000 yards, his rookie season. And my question is, is it worth spending a 15th round pick on a guy who could very well lead the Houston Texans in rushes this year? He was PFF's highest-graded Russia in college last year. He basically just didn't get any carries. Some people have attributed that to him not having a great relationship with the coach of Florida. After the Florida coach left were the only two games where Pierce had more than double-digit carries in 2021.

This guy can play all three downs. He's like a bulldozer. He's like 5'10. He could catch a pass block. I read DK's assessment of him on the draft guide. He just didn't play a whole lot. He never played more than 23 snaps in a single game in college, which is alarming. 23 snaps.

But, I mean, man, this guy has literally no competition. They invested zero money in their backfield. Marlin Mack, one year, $2 million, not guaranteed. They signed a fullback to $3 million. They're paying a fullback more money in the entire running back committee, basically. I just don't, I mean, this guy could be a starting round. running back on a team and he's going in the 17th round. D.K., is it fair to say that he's your favorite...

I think this is like a great value. Is it fair to say Damien Pierce was your favorite running back in this class, like your personal favorite, but went to like the worst situation possible? Is it the worst situation possible? I mean, he's got... I mean, if he went to the Vikings, he wouldn't play. Well, I guess it's relative. He was, he was one of the most fun running backs to watch.

He barrels through guys. There was one play famously where his helmet came off at like the five yard line and he just kept running and like barreling through people, even though like the play was called dead at the time. He's just, he is like the beast mode version, the beast mode guy in this class, like the rookie class. He breaks tons of tackles, really physical, runs low the ground, bounces off. He like plinkos through the line.

Like he just like, you know, he can't, you can't knock him down. He's so much fun. But there are things working against him. I think the reason his ADP is so low, number one, Texans were dead last in rushing yards and rushing TDs last year, which is a variable to consider. But I think their offense is going to be better. Your offense is going to be better. And this is just a good value.

This is like a great sleeper because he is probably at some point in the year going to be the starting running back on a team. Like that's by far the lowest you can get a starting running back on an NFL team, right? Like the probable starter. So, yeah, I like this one a lot. I like Damien Pierce. I think he's a really fun guy to watch. I think he has the opportunity to prove that basically his coaches held him back in college. Because I think, yeah, like he's touching.

were ridiculously low. But like at Florida, they were, you know, trying to juggle multiple four-star guys at the position, you know,

like basically doing what Georgia does where they're not giving anybody the lead job is just kind of like 1A, 1B. And he didn't really get to put it all together. By the way, he's also a pretty good pass catcher.

I think he has the opportunity to be like a factor in that too. So I love this one. No notes. My only note is that realistically the Texans, I don't think are less a football team and more a collection of mercenaries on one-year contracts.

It's like they have almost nobody under contract for 2024. Nick Casario, who came from the Patriots, has basically just turned this team into like a tabula rasa whiteboard of like blankness. And I think the flip side is the only thing I'll push back on is, Craig, I think something you see is the strength of, oh, no competition, all vets. I think the Texans see it as perfect. A bunch of old guys who know how to play football and will lead by example and we don't care what happens to them.

And all of them will take like a third of the snaps. No one will take more. and Damien Pierce can kind of be groomed to be a leadback when the team is good later. But I just, I would be surprised, barring injury of Marlon Mack and Rex Burkhead did not just end up eating at least half this backfield. Having said all that, what we keep saying over and over, it's all priced in. Like you're getting it starting running back late, like, go ahead, take them. But I also, I would be stunned if Damien Pierce was like good.

I think it'll be like he'll be there, which counts in the 14th round. That's worth it. It's nice that someone who's there. if I had to guess I would bet he's going to be a second half star yes I would agree he's essentially free like I said he's going 171st overall we have him ranked 130th still incredibly low

but yes my point is is that I could see him becoming a David Montgomery type where it's week 10 and from the next seven weeks he's the guy getting 14 15 16 carries a game and actually like people are like wow this guy's giving me really strong flex I can start him on my fantasy team

all right well on that note can I give you another rookie running back one because it's rookie running back and two because I'm afraid Danny Kelly will steal this guy. Do it. It's Tyler Algier, the running back for the Falcons. Now, is it rich for me to be out here in 2022, reppping another Falcons running back? Probably. Perhaps it's a little hubris, haven't learned. However, I actually, I think Tyler Algier, he's like 60 to 1 to win rookie of the year.

It's like the best bet you can probably make for the preseason. Like Tyler Algier is Atlanta's fifth round running back. He came from BYU. We actually tied for the lead in touchdowns in college last year. But here's the thing. There's basically no scenario where fifth round running backs pan out as rookies to be good in fantasy. Like it doesn't really happen. Except fifth round running backs zone blocking schemes.

In which case, in zone blocking, it happens all the time. We could go back 25 years. Terrell Davis was a six-rounder for the Broncos made the Hall of Fame in his own scheme. And then when Terrell Davis retired, the Broncos replaced him with another six-round pick. And that guy also had 1,500 yards as a rookie. And then the Shanahan Zone gospel spread. Steve Slayton had 1,300 yards for the Texans when he was a rookie. Alfred Morris for Washington was a sixth round rookie set the franchise record for rushing yards in his rookie season, 1,600 yards.

Arienne Foster for the Texans, Aaron Foster was a seventh round pick. He got hurt his rookie year, and then second year, he had 1,600 rushing yards, led the NFL in every category. And then last year, last season, Elijah Mitchell for the 49ers. had like 950 yards in like 11 games. And he was a sixth round pick. All of which is to say, you get the point. Later round running backs in zone schemes every three years, just randomly have like 1,400 rushing yards because it just happens.

It's like cyclical. It's like an eclipse. So do you know who ran the most outside zone last year? I think I know where you're going with this. Yeah. The Atlanta Falcons ran the most, the highest percentage. of outside zone runs last year. Tyler Alger has that skill set.

I'm not saying he will win rookie the year or will have 1,600 yards. I'm saying it happens like every three or four years and just throw a dart and put him on your bench and see what happens. Algiers scouts up my Alfred Morris in him. He's kind of stylistically similar to Alvin. That's positive?

Yeah, yeah. Is that a positive? Okay. Yeah. I could do. Well, Alfred, I think, I mean, I don't remember specifically Alfred Morris's scouting report, but I don't think like speed and explosiveness were probably on there too much. And then you can say the same with Alger, but he's very, like, he's a bowling ball style guy. Plant one, one cut and go kind of guy, like no nonsense, make the right read and get up field type player.

Former linebacker, you know, with that mentality. So, I mean, yeah, this is a good one. I don't mind this. And by the way, this is so different than Mike Davis because you were like advocating Mike Davis in the middle rounds last year. And there's a lot of, this is like the Dead Zone guy. Like, Algeria is late. You can get him late. He's going 150th.

literally like people are drafting Tua Tungo Vyloid to be their backup quarterback before they're drafting Tyler Al Jir. Like you can, if I give me shit about Cole Cometh, forget Cole Comet. Like Mike Gisicki is going before Tyler Al Jir and he's not going to play. I'm full circle on Kmet, by the way. I'm with, I'm gonna join you on the Kemet Island.

But that's neither here nor there. I like the Algeria pick a lot. I like the Algeria pick too. It makes sense. Again, for the price he's at, it's an easy dart throw. Yeah, exactly. It's worth doing.

Yeah. Like a blaring siren. Do you have a comatose guy other than our beloved comocomet? Yes, I do. So mine are kind of more in the handcuff area, but number one, Josh Palmer for the Chargers, who right now he's going as wide receiver 74, 221 overall. So like very late to undrafted area. We've got them ranked quite a bit higher.

We got to rank 156 overall. I think number one, when he came in last year, he showed he can play. He's got good hands. He can run routes. not like the most explosive guy, but he's versatile. He can play outside. He can play inside. He is the handcuff for both Mike Williams and Keenan Allen, I think.

He could play either of those roles. So if one of those guys gets hurt, you know, he has a very fantasy relevant role. And then standalone value, he might even be good flex option at some point during this year as a standalone value because he's on a really good team with a really good offense, really good quarterback. And right now he's projected as the number three receiver in that offense. So, you know, I don't think if either Mike Williams or Keenan Allen stay healthy all year, like he's probably not going to like be worth all that much. You're probably not going to have them anywhere but your bench. But either those two guys get hurt.

He's like, you know, wide receiver three, if not better. So I think he's definitely worth kind of taking a risk on late in the draft. And then the other guy I wanted to throw out here is Chris Evans, not the actor, the running back for the Bengals, who I think could end up. being the number two running back over Samaji P. Ryan for the Bengals. Great one. And so here's the deal with Chris Evans. America's ass.

Yeah. Super athlete, as you'd expect from someone named Chris Evans. He ran a 452-6-8-5-3 cone, which is really fast for a guy, his size 40-inch vert, 211 pounds. He's a really good receiver. They used him as like an ISO receiver at times last year. He scored a touchdown in one game where he just lined up as an outside ISO and Joe Burrow threw him like a fade route.

And by the way, his catch was like amazing. He like stretched out, dove caught it, like flipped over and rolled into the end zone. He's impressive to watch. He's had a lot of kind of like wow moments on the field. That's exactly what I wrote. I said one of these, it's one of those guys who flashed every time he was on the field. And I think he's, the coaches like him. What we've been hearing in training camp is really positive from like the coaches.

Samaji Pee Run, by the way, started the training camp on the PUP list. So it's undisclosed. I think I haven't seen yet what is going on with Pyrine, but there's a world here where he is the number two guy behind Mixon, which, of course, it brings like that league winning upside if mixing got hurt, but also he's got standalone value as a potential third down back for this team. We've seen how Burrow loves to, like, spread things out.

They go like five wide, empty backfield. Burrow is just at his best when he can, like, see the field, do his thing, just like, you know, dice people up that way. And he is a pass-catching back with legit route-running chops. that I think could be like surprisingly good this year, surprisingly utilizing this offense. So he's like going way, way late. Like you can get him with your last pick or on waivers.

But he's a guy that I'm going to have definitely on my radar and try to get him on my teams just because of that upside of mixing goes down. And by the way, he might just end up being kind of like flex-worthy if he is the third down back for this team. I think that's a great one, DK. Chris Evans is great. Craig, do you have any other comatose sleepers? Everybody wants to find a third option on the Chargers.

Like I like Gerald Everett. Ooh, I like that, yeah. Tight end. Yeah, tight end for the Chargers. He came from originally the Rams, then to the Seahawks, and now to the Chargers. I guess my thoughts on him are like, why can't he just be like a Doss and Knox this year? He's going, his ADP is 198. They signed him to a bigger deal than they had Jared Cook, the former tight end of the Chargers signed too.

The Seahawks year last year was all messed up because of Russell Wilson's finger injury. But when Russ came back after the injury, Everett was the tight end 10 from weeks 10 to 16. Again, like not crazy, but again, he's going 200th. He's going undrafted. And his essential metrics in Seattle and Seattle's offense were pretty much exactly the same as Jared Cook. So essentially the way, the amount of snaps, the amount of routes, the amount of target share

that Gerald Everett had in Seattle was very similar to what Jared Cook had in L.A. And Jared Cook was the tight end 16 last year. So it's like, isn't that more so what Gerald Everest Flores? I think he's a better player than Jared Cook. And if Jared Cook puts up tight-in 16 numbers, to me it seems like Everett is going a bit too low and should actually be considered a fringe tight-in one. Well, also, Gerald Everett is 35. Sorry, sorry.

Jared Cook is 35 and like washed up and Gerald Everett's 28 and like are just a younger, now better version of Jared Cook. And even then the charges like Herbert disproportionately targeted tight ends when it's tight end is Jared Cook. And now Gerald Everett being better will prop like, I think that this is good because there's no reason Herbert won't target his tight ends more. when they're not old Jared Cook. I want to throw out a stat for you real quick. The Seahawks last year attempted 495 passes. Dead last in the league, right? Second to last.

The Eagles threw one of your pass. The Chargers last year threw 674 attempts. That's a difference of 179 passes. That's like five games. Literally five games. Say a quarterback, I took the like the mode or whatever. It was like the middle range. of what the team's fast.

It's like 35-ish a game. That's five fucking games extra of past attempts. The Chargers ran or threw last year than the Seahawks. Gerald Everett scored half a point less per game than Jared Cook. Half a point less per game than Jared Cook on a team that was second to last and past attempts when Jared Cook was on the team that threw the third most or whatever it was. They were pretty much the same player last year and Gerald Everett was doing it on literally the

lowest amount of volume possible. Five games is such a first. funny number because that's like a team that didn't make the playoffs versus a team that made it all the way to the Super Bowl and then just played an extra game anyway. That's crazy. The Chargers had 4,800 yards passing. The Seahawks had 3,400 yards passing. They also ran the fewest plays in Seattle. Yeah, Jesus Christ. The Seahawks offense is rough. I always hesitate to pick like a super late tight end, but I do. I can't help but like Gerald Everett. Everett, Emette, Irv Smith, those are the guys that will make us feel dumb this year. And Albert, uh, Aquabunam,

which I can say now and I learn. Kuiibuna. I don't know. Kuea Buna. Which I'm going to throw out on this right. Deep sleepers, Albert Kuebunam, again,

he's like, if Chase Claypool is the 100th percentile with Calvin Johnson at receiver, Equabinam is the like 100th percent out for speed at tight end. And it's just like bet on that. I don't know. He's free.

The other one, this is like a real comatose sleeper is Deonté Foreman, running back for the Panthers. This is probably like an insane thing to recommend. This is just a, Maccafrey insurance. Yeah.

Yeah. So on one hand, it's like, if you are afraid of taking Christian McCaffrey in the first two picks because you think he'll get hurt, then maybe take Deonte Foreman

because I think that he will be the number two guy. And like, honestly, he's also just kind of a nice story. He, maybe it's crazy to pick a handcuff who's more injury prone than McAfrey,

but like he basically had like 29 career carries by the time he was 25. Like, fourman, he had an Achilles injury and torn his biceps. Like he could never be on the field. And honestly,

it's actually a wild story with him last year. He was 25 and he had like, again, 29 carries. And he called his dad and he said, I'm not getting any calls. I feel like my career might be over. I'm going to take calls the next 12 months. But if no team calls me, I'm going to retire. And his dad told him two things.

And his dad was like, keep at it because you're good enough. And two, whether or not you ever play in the NFL again, I love you and I'm proud of you. And then like a few days later, his dad actually passed in a vehicle accident. like a few days later. And then two or three weeks after that, the Titans called Deiante Foreman because Derek Henry broke his foot.

And then a month later, Deonti Foreman's running for 100 yards. He actually had 300-yard games in like the final five weeks. And this is a guy who, again, basically didn't play football from like the end of 2017 through like almost the pandemic,

just didn't play. And that was back and had multiple hundred-yard games. And it's just, I don't know. And somehow he's back at Christian McCaffrey. And like kind of, it's hard not to root for a story like that. And also, he's the handcuffed probably,

it seems like he's going to beat Chuba Hubbard for the role. And he's the handcuffed to the most famously injury prone running back. Like, I don't know. So it's a good mix of opportunity. Yeah, it's smart. There's a, that's a smart handcuff option. Yeah,

I mean, you're getting the, you're getting the backup to the, like, the most heavily utilized fantasy running back or whatever. Like he's going to, it's going to be interesting to see if they try and, like, run him into the ground again.

Or if they, like, try and lighten his load this off, or this, Even if, yeah, even if McAfrey doesn't get hurt, Foreman could just have a role. I think we recommended Chuba last year. We basically just always recommend the McCaffrey backup. Yeah. So those are the sleepers. We also got an email from Jonathan, which is one of the best subject lines.

One of the best subject line emails we've ever gotten. It said, have I smoked too much during quarantine or is Taysam Hill a sleeper at TED End? Is that a burner email from D.K.? Look, I'm not going to. to be all big on the Taysom train again this year, but I don't think they're going to immediately forget how good he is as like a goal line player, like athlete. Like he's going to get goal line touches.

I guarantee you. Just watch. Hi, Fitz. Is there a train you want to be on less than the Tasem Hill train? No, I think I would do it. Like, fuck it. Because if you're at the point where you can't even get Gerald out, like if you can't even get your Gerald Everett,

like if you'll get at the death staring down the barrel of tight ends, you're like, hmm, you know, I have an ingram with the Jaguars, you know, maybe if, you know, Trevor Lawrence gets going, Evan Engram. It's like, why not, man? Like, what if Tayson Hill just gets like a few carries a game and just, I don't know, like at least it'll be interesting. None of your other tight ends you're thinking about streaming each week are, you know, interesting at all.

I was listening to Nick Underhill was on the Savage Storm podcast the other day, and he's a really good beatwriter for the Saints. And he even was saying, like, look, as much as we make fun of the whole Taysam Hill thing, obviously, Sean Payton's gone and Peyton was his guy. But he's getting paid a lot of money and they're going to use him in a lot of ways. And he was honestly really good at the direct snap stuff.

He's like a really athletic tackle breaker. Why would they not utilize him in that area? Especially for a team that is like not exactly like bristling with superstars. So even Underhill was just saying like, look, he's not going to be like a fantasy stud, but he's going to have a role. I can't do it.

I'm staying. I'm going to take this one off, boys. I can't do it. It's like Jerry Seinfeld in the theater. That's it. I'm done. All right. Those are our sleepers.

That was too sleepy, Tase him Hill. I'm dead. I'm not waking up from that one. No. I'm hanging on. Just pull the plug. All right,

you want to get some news? We should have a good amount of news. Joe Burrow is getting an appendectomy. He's probably going to be fine. He'll miss some practice time, but I mean, it doesn't really change anything for the season, right? No.

No. No. Okay. Trey Lance, officially named the 49ers quarterback. Cool. I feel like we've known this for months. And also it's, it's, it definitely planted the flag that we're like not believing any of the Carapelo hype.

So this is no surprise to us. It is going to be, again, it's very fascinating. Where the hell is Jimmy T. can end up? Because essentially, the 49ers are saying we're moving on. So the Seahawks maybe are going to get involved in this? Like what other teams out there right now? Or maybe they're just going to wait for an injury. I think they're probably just.

Yeah. Not that they hope any specific person gets hurt, but kind of like, what was it when the San Bradford got hurt for? for the... Sorry, not Sam Bradd Sorry, now I'm getting messing up the whole thing. The Vikings' Lester, Bridgewater. Teddy Bridgewater had the knee injury. They traded for Bradford.

Yeah, Bradford got, it's something like that that probably just like, well, maybe a first run pick will fall on her lap. I've heard people throw the Falcons lately. Maybe Marioita isn't lighting it up or whatever. This might have just been speculation. Yeah, they do have Ritter still, but yeah, I guess so. Yeah.

Yeah, the reality is that everyone's probably in a meeting and all these teams that don't have great quarterback situations are meeting about this today, and they're probably like, yeah, Yeah, we could. And we'll see. Just like trying to figure out where else he could go. Well, it's weird because the reality is it's kind of a hassle to change quarterback at this point.

You just showed up the training camp. You've been freaking training for six months. There's a reason that like all these deals get done by the draft or if it's a quarterback. There's a reason they're getting quarterback deals done by March. It's like you have a lot of planning to do. You just did all this. I think it'd be pretty difficult for the Falcons to just be like, oh, yeah, we'll just do Jimmy G. Like, he's not the same as Mario.

So I don't know. It's a lot bolder of a move than it sounds. Yeah. Yeah. You know? So, all right. The reason we have all gathered here today is for this Kyler Murray news. And so, you know, Cardinals quarterback, Kyler Murray, signs a contract extension of Arizona this week.

You know, D.K, you went on, sorry, last week, I guess at this point. DK., you went on the podcast, talked to NFL show. You know, normal news cycle. Oh, we got quarterback, paid a lot of money. That's the going rate. What are you going to do? normal. And then something very not normal happened, which was the, presumably the team, leaked the contract saying that there is a clause in Kyler Murray's contract that more or less

is like, you have to study football. They gave him foot, like the actual clause is four hours a week. Four hours of independent study. And I'm quoting the contract here. Not quote, engaged in any other activity that may distract his attention, for example, watching television, playing video games or browsing the internet. They literally said Kyler Murray stop playing video games. This is extremely embarrassing and a massive tough look for Kyler Murray. Who leaked this? Who does this benefit? Not Kyler Murray. Not the team either. It does not benefit Kyler Murray. I can't imagine how I can't see how it benefits the team

either. Why would the team leak this? This is like what parents do to their 13 year old son when he's in eighth grade to make sure he does his homework. My buddy was texting me how this is, there's a closet of his contract that says he has to eat his vegetables before he gets his dessert. I mean, so Andrew

Brandt, who is the former Packers GM called it homework. Andrew Brandt literally is like, I have a couple independent study students and I guess now the Cardinals do too. And then Joe Banner who used to be the Eagles GM said, of the thousands of contracts per season. And he put in all bold, all caps, never been a provision included in a player's contract, requiring the player to study the game of football.

I mean, honestly, on one hand, this probably means nothing. On the other hand, this is so deeply and utterly humiliating because, like, the fact that his employer was like, we don't think you do your job. And when you do, you're playing call of duty. and we're going to put your contract you can't play call duty he like admitted he doesn't watch as much tape as he should because he has like a natural ability to like read the defense or something like that um this is this is like pretty concerning i'm out on i'm out on kiler i'm telling you right now i'm out on kai i'm out on the cardinals put mark by once right now the cardinals are going

have a top seven pick in the NFL draft this year i'm out on this team i've been no i'm serious it's not just this this is the latest draw i'm not trying to be some hot take i think i think that there's a coming generational war between like people under 30 and over 30 about how much video games to play. Like I think that it's gonna, there's a, I'm not,

it's not like this. This is just the late, like the fact that they had to put it in. I have been so dubious of Kyler ever since his body language during the Rams Cardinals playoff game when he just was absolutely tilting like a kid having a temperate,

like he, it was like he wanted to shut off the, the Madden, like the Xbox and start the game over again. Like he was so, he wasn't talking in. It was like, you're the leader.

the team. And like there's all, and like, never mind that the Cardinals during this negotiation in February leaked to Chris Whartonson. Remember that report? They said, Kyler Murray's a finger pointer. Yeah. Rough. And now, like, this is crazy. There's a good faith clause in this contract that says he's not allowed to just play the film while not watching. Like, he can't just put it on in the background. They got to make sure he's watching it. It says in here that he can't play the displayed video while doing something else like watching television, playing video games, or browsing the internet.

So it's literally saying not only does he have to play the video, hey man, you also can't be on your phone, you actually have to watch it. I mean, this is insane. Like, this is absolutely crazy. Look, I understand that there's probably something else going on here. Like, I'm sure, like, I think the team probably put this out there because the team wants Kyler.

They want to blame Kyler. But I really think everyone in this Arizona situation looks bad and, like, will look really bad. I think that Kyler, obviously, this is just the late, like again, I just, earlier this year, it's just, the Chris Morton's thing was, Kyler described just self-centered immature and a finger pointer and that he was, and that Murray, and then he said Murray's frustrated with the team and was embarrassed by the playoff loss to the Rams and thinks he's been framed as the scapegoat. But here's the thing.

Swap out Kyle, it sounds like Ben Simmons with the Sixers to me. Frustrated by playoff loss thinks he's been framed as scapego. It's like, there is something to this of just, I keep coming back with Kyler to the fact that he was the greatest quarterback, basically in the history of high school football in Texas. Like Texas high school football, which is basically a professional sport, he was playing in front of 40,000 people when he's sophomore. He never lost a game. He went 41 and 0 and won three state titles at either the highest or second highest level

Texas football, went to Oklahoma, played two sports, started one season, lost one game in college. So he lost one competitive game until he was like 18 years old in football. And then got to Arizona. and part of me just thinks like something about losing and the NFL is broken his brain. They literally, you remember like kids in the pandemic in high school and college

when you were in Zoom classes they made you have the video on to make sure that you weren't just like a sleep and had video off during class. That is literally what they're requiring Kyler Murray to do. It's like a high schooler in the pandemic making sure that he's listening to the history lesson.

Well, it gives them an out in case he like just goes off the deep end. Does like a baker, Mayfield style thing where he's playing like 10 hours of Fortnite or whatever it was. I have a friend who's a lawyer who texted me, hypothetically, the Cardinals could track what time he, quote, watched film and compare it to when he was playing video games via Xbox time or if he streams. And it could be a quick escape and default on the contract if he's underperforming.

Also, Craig, you said that the Zoom thing, like the kid, there's also like some things out there that his camera was just off during the Zoom meetings. Like, you're not even like exaggerating this, literally the situation. for Kyle. Oh, is that right? Yeah. This is crazy. I don't know. The quarterback's just cameras just off. And you're like, oh, what's he like? He's fighting with a 13 year old about Call of Duty. It looks bad, but like, I'm not actually worried about Kyler. I was talking to Kevin about this on the pod last week when the news

broke. Like, Kyler has improved each and every season that he's been in the NFL. Like his yards per attempt, his yards per game, his pass rating has all gone up. He has the Cardinals, by the way, have improved their record each year. They definitely have had issues finishing the season strong. And there was a funny tweet from, hold on, let me pull it up here. It was a graph that showed when Call of Duty game. So Rose City Peach did this. It was a graph that showed.

Shout out Rose City Peach for putting this out there. This is incredible. This is when Call of Duty game has released each year. And he like grafted out like basically Kyler's performance before. and after Call of Duty, the new update is released. Craters. All this time, we've been wondering why Cliff Kingsbury and the Cardinals, just like their offense just gets terrible in the second half of the season.

It's because Call of Duty keeps updating Warzone. I love this. So that's a great tweet. But I will say, like, they need to figure out how to finish stronger and get better in the second half season. I think a lot of that is on not just Kyler, but Cliff Kingsbury too, by the way. Activision, Trairc. Yeah.

They all are complicit in this. But at the end of the day, like, he's still getting better. He's improving. He's on the right trajectory as a pro. Like, they had to do this deal. It looks terrible that this provision is in there. But I still think it's a good deal. I can't believe it's in it.

What was the conversation like? We can't just move past this to me. Like, how did they bring this up? How did they sign off on that? I literally, they signed to it. Also, are they enforcing it? Is it there to embarrass him or, like, are they going to enforce, like, how on earth are they going to enforce that, like, he's not on his phone?

You want to know who leaked this? The fucking Cardinals, dude. Maybe they wanted to be like, hey, pretty embarrassing, isn't it, Kyler? Yeah. Grow up. I know Kylo-R-Murie didn't put this out. I don't think Kyler Murray's agent is out here. Like, hey, guys, if you want to, you have to watch tape without your phone.

So, you know, sign with me. I don't think Kyler's age. You know, Kyler, if you don't want to play football and study the film, like, you can make a lot of money. Be an e-sports, you know, influencer. Go play baseball. It doesn't matter. Go play shortstop. going to study film. Next time, D.K.

And I are arguing about some college prospect, the DK's like, watch the tape. I'll be like, why? Kyler doesn't. I just naturally understand the flow of the game. I just got a knack for it. Yeah. I just got a knack for it. Is somebody going to pivot? Like, I'm already trying to figure out if I should pivot and be like, this is going to be good for Kyler. I'm actually more in on him now.

This will kind of... That would be the smart. This will be the required kick in the ass for him to actually get it together and put together a full season as an adult quarterback. I'm embarrassed for you, Craig. That's the obvious take. the real, the great take is this is terrible. He's going to get worse.

And the Cardinals are going to have to pull this clause because the second he watches tape, he's going to get worse. That's not a take. That's what everybody's assuming that, oh my God, this is such a tough look for Kyler. No, no, no.

I'm saying, what if, like, once he stops playing Call of Duty, he, like, can't play quarterback anymore. Oh, he needs it. Like, what if he's just terrible? Yeah, he needs the Call of Duty. It's like, he's just this ball of energy and, like, you know, it just gets it out.

And he shows up and he's, like, and he shows up, and it's like, yeah, you know, it's just, it's no good. He isn't sharpened his skills. His touchdown to pick ratio is how it's like his kill to death ratio. That's like how he thinks about it and he needs both to survive. Or even just like the quick twitch, you know, from like he's definitely playing on a computer. Like he's definitely using a mouse to shoot.

Maybe Kyle just wants to stream. Maybe he could like Twitch stream from his helmet and that would be, you know, maybe he'd be interested in that. Go live from from the football game. This is the future. I will say, I think there's a coming generational war on video games. like it's going to be a lot of blaming Gen Z's problems on playing too many video games. It's kind of been happening though, don't you think?

Yeah, but it's going to, this will break it open. Okay. This is a perfect segue though. Kyler Murray, too many video games. We got a lot of emails because we talked the other day about kids at recess and whether they play games or they just are on their phone. Thank you to all of the teachers

who listened to this podcast who emailed us. We appreciate it. We got emails. We got a teacher in Denmark who emailed us. We're international here with the teaching. I want to read one email. To be clear. Most of the teachers who emailed us described kids not being able to take their phones out, especially K through five, not be able to take their phones out in the day, playing real life in the sun, blah, blah, blah.

I want to read an email from a teacher who did not have the experience. Morgan. Morgan. Hey, guys, substitute teacher of three years here. My first job after the pandemic was a PE substitute teacher for four days at a school where the teacher hired, where the teacher was just hired at the start of the year and then had quit. The substitute who said they would finish the year had also quit. So then they turned to Morgan. I couldn't do a single thing without these kids on their phones during physical education.

We go outside to run a lap and kids are walking while they're on their phone. We come inside. We have free time. They run to their laptops and their phones and sit in the corner and play games. I refused to start class until all the phones were put away one day. I have 35 kids in this class just looking at this other kid playing on his phone. and he finally realizes what's going on and he says, hold on, I'm in the top five

and just keeps playing the game. Wow, what an absolute stud. Is that Kyler Murray's little brother? That kid is now the quarterback for the Arizona Cardinals. He's in the top five, guys. Can I throw out on other kids these days? Second in as many shows?

Kids these days. Good Lord. That's rough. DK, if Craig and I were not here, what are like, I don't know how to say this politely, older people thinking about Kyler playing video games? Like, what's your honest opinion of this? What are your old guy text?

Honestly, my guess is they don't really understand what's going on because they don't know gaming culture. I feel like they think of it like he's playing Mario Kart a lot. Right. And they're like, why? Why can't you just stop playing Mario Kart? And they don't understand that it's like an entire world. Right.

Correct. They don't know what they don't know. Like, they don't have any concept of what that world is all about. And I'm so torn. I'm exactly speaking from my own perspective here. I don't understand enough about like the gaming. culture to know exactly why or what what's happening there. It's related to the kids on the phones, though, at Jim, because on one hand, I complete,

I am on my devices all the time. And, like, it is a world. Like, you're connected to thousands, millions of people if you want. There's, like, communities. Just, like, just, you know, we've mentioned the book by Robert Putnam, bowling alone. Like, there's no more bowling leagues. There's somewhat more local communities. But online communities have made it much easier for you to find people with the same interests.

And so instead of being stuck in, you know, maybe your town of 2,000 people where no one likes League of Legends. Oh, well, there's five million people who you can play with at any given moment, and that's a community. On the flip side, yeah, there's probably some fabric of our society that's being torn, and it's probably really strange that an NFL quarterback is just out here not watching film. He's just to get out there and touch grass. Well, yeah, the bowling league is once a week. League of Legends is eight hours a day. That's the difference. All the time. Well, the different, but here's the thing, when Michael Jordan was out here just gambling till four in the morning, like drinking in blackjack were fine because no one had phones to capture these things.

They're just putting it online that they're playing. No one used to wonder what Joe Montana is doing in his free time. That's the new world, man. There's CCTV. Everybody can track you on your phones. Like they know exactly. Like Alexa's listening to you at all times. Like this is there is no such thing as privacy anymore.

This is like a big meta point, I think. There's a great book coming out this fall from Tyler Dunn. and it's called the blood and guts and it's about the history of the tight end position and shout out Sean who sent me it and shout out Tyler one of the chapters

is just an interview with Gronk and one of the things Gronk talks about is just like yeah man last hour of partying before cell phones that was awesome like he just that's like what he talks about for a while dude I'm telling you

this new world is weird even if you go to even back to like actors in Hollywood so many of them are like oh dude if cameras are around in the 80s and 90s like I would not have I would not still be employed yeah if only Kyler Murray were just like gambling and doing more drugs yeah it's just debauchery yeah so what do we think Kyler's doing right now is Kyler like

like making like a like a bunker that blocks out all signals so he can play video games still like going off the grid video game it has to be in his head though here's the thing your first reaction is going to be like block out the haters but that's like it's your employer is the hater And so like, you're going to be like, oh, I'm not going to change my thing. But like, he has to be thinking about this in the back of his said, I wonder if I play too many video games.

Yeah, there's two ways this could go. He could either get indignant and be like, fuck you guys. I'm Kyler Murray. Yeah, but he has like 100 and whatever million like riding on that now. Yeah, I mean, it's like the four hours of film is that much. It's like, what, like 45 minutes a day? Like, he can still play a fuck ton of video games. Four hours a week is actually nothing.

How much team deathmatch that is? That's nothing for an NFL quarterback. Come on. That's like. It's a lot of... Brady does that in one day. It's a lot of team death match to miss. A lot of war zone.

You could crack a lot of plates at that time. Okay. I think that's all we got. Thank you everyone for listening. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Lorne. Lauren.

Thank you, Beastie, boys. Nice. What's your favorite song? I think you're going to have some kind of sleep joke. Sure shot? No. What you want? I don't know the names of them.

I like, I like No Sleep Till Brooklyn. Oh, that's a good one. Brass Monkey was a big one when I was a kid I used to love Brass Monkey What's the one that Kendall's listening to In like the first scene of succession? Oh, good call. Don't remember that.

I think it's what you want. So what you want or sure shot. I can't remember. Yeah, that sounds correct. Anyway, they're both great. Yeah. They're both good. And also I forgot to mention you at DK.

We're going to have you do the four hours a week without Twitter. And we're going to need you to like film yourself without Twitter. D.K., we're going to have Calvin do four hours a week without children's programming. We're going to find you $100 million if you don't comply. I'm not allowed to read Twitter during podcasts anymore either. No, but you're like Kyler. You got worse without Twitter.

Calvin needs to stop streaming blueie to all of his fans. They're tracking as blueie consumption. It's tough.