The Ringer NFL Show - Stafford Trade Heating Up, NFL Media Starbucks Fights, Abdul Carter Hurt, and St. Elmo Saddam

Episode Date: February 28, 2025

From radio row at the NFL combine, The Ringer’s Danny Heifetz, Craig Horlbeck, and Danny Kelly begin by talking about the biggest story of the day: the Starbucks confrontation between reporters Ian Rapoport and Jordan Schultz that took the sports media world by storm. Then, the guys fantasize about potential trade destinations for Matthew Stafford before discussing this year’s draft class, including Abdul Carter’s foot injury and the guys’ opinions on whether Travis Hunter will successfully be able to play wide receiver and cornerback. The guys also recap their time at St. Elmo Steak House in Indianapolis, where they had an unexpected run-in with Saddam Hussein. CHAPTERS: Greetings from Indy (00:00) Starbucks fight (01:36) Matt Stafford trade talk (11:24) Abdul Carter’s injury (22:20) Travis Hunter’s two-way prospects (31:06) DK’s NFL Draft Guide (39:49) Chiefs franchise tag Trey Smith (53:32) St. Elmo Steak House recap (01:05:30) For The Ringer's complete guide to the 2025 draft, click here. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Craig Horlbeck, and Danny Kelly Producer: Troy Farkas Additional Production Support: Tucker Tashjian, Dan Comer, Jake Loskutoff, and Nikola Stanjevich Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Make sure to follow us on Spotify, where you can, watch every new episode right now. Just head to the rewatchables on Spotify, now on video. The Ringer NFL Draft Show. My name is Danny Hyphen, so I am joined in person in Indianapolis by Danny Kelly and Craig Crollbrook. It's the draft show. Yesterday I said fantasy football show, but we're the draft show now. I didn't even notice that.

I know, no, no, we didn't either. But yeah, we're the draft show now because, you know, pods are supposed to change their names because we're at the combine. At least once a year. Yeah, we're at the Combine. So NFL draft show, but we're still the fantasy football show on Instagram. So, you know what? It's, don't worry about it.

You can't change the usernames on social. Yeah, it's just, it's the bad idea. So there's a lot going on right now where Indiana is at the NFL Combine. I actually think Matt Stafford might end up a New York football giant. Like, the Penn State Pass Rush for Abdul Carter, who is your number one player in your Big Board D.K. Has a stress reaction in his foot that Drew Rosenhaus is like, don't worry about it. We were at Travis Hunter's press conference. The salary cap is up $100 million.

There's a lot going on, including later, we're going to eat these post-malone Oreos that I brought from home. Post-Mloan Oreos. Don't let me forget that. But let's be honest. The number one topic of conversation, and it's not even remotely close, in Indianapolis, is the fight at the J.W. Marriott Starbucks between Ian Rappaport and Jordan Shultz. Indianapolis is a buzz. It's the only...

I'm not being hyperbolic. It is literally the only topic that's come up in every single conversation. You've got, like, texts about it. Everybody is asking. Bill Simmons texted us last night. Were you guys there for the Starbucks argument? So I feel like we have to... We have to dive into this.

So, PFT commenter at Barstow actually tweeted out. He was on that. He was incredible. He was like big-time media confrontation at the Starbucks, and then I don't think anyone believed that because it was just like, what's he talking about? And then shout out to pro football talk. Mike Florio had a pretty legendary.

He's covering this like it's the OJ too. He's like, for real. He was on the White Ford Bronco. He's got the helicopter. Yeah, he's camping out at the house. It's unbelievable. So I'm going to just straight up read this article because he gets the exchange. thing called reading a lot. Reading at loud, yes.

But no, it's a perfectly written thing. So, Florio wrote, per multiple sources, who witnessed the interaction, Jordan Schultz of Fox and Ian Rappaport of an NFL media engaged in a verbal altercation on Wednesday afternoon at the Starbucks, at the J.W. Mariah in Indianapolis. Schultz were told, accosted. A costed. I've never seen that word written. You don't get to use the word accosting. No. I've probably accosted hyphids before. Yeah, I think I'm accosted. I can confirm that.

The fact that the fight happened at a Starbucks provides an intriguing coincidence because Jordan Schultz is the son of former Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz. Right, right. Multi-billionaire. Guy who sold the Sonics. Yeah. Yeah, unfortunately.

We're told that Ian Rappaport was talking to an agent, and Schultz approached Rappaport and said, quote, we need to talk. And then Rappaport replied, we're told, we don't need to talk. He's really reading the whole thing. Dude, but then Shultz... said, if you have anything to say it to me, say

it to my fucking face. And then if this continues, we're going to have a fucking problem. And then he says that Schultz actually contacted him, so he did not use any profanity. He says he has no memory of using profanity, which means how I use that's what happens with me also. Yeah, we end the show, and I don't think we curse that much.

And you listen back, you're like, oh, God. I feel sorry for my children. I have no memory of using profanity. Did I say, Bruce Cock on the show? It slips out, you know? Yeah, crime of passion. Yeah, totally. It goes, anyway, and then Rappaport told the witness, NFL security was informed of the exchange.

I know, security got called. This is serious. This is a real thing. So, what, we should talk about? Because Rapshia, he was on, he was, like, in enemy territory. He's at Starbucks. Yeah, he's at a Starbucks. They're at a Starbucks.

It's kind of a nepo baby move to, like, fight at the global, iconic chain that you own. I don't think that was, like, on purpose. I don't think that was, like, oh, he's at a Starbucks? Now's my time. He was like, where the fuck is he in Rappaport? Oh, he's at a Starbucks? Okay.

So the origin of this is basically, the funny thing about this is this actually genuinely about the Matt Stafford trade is what they are alleged like what's going to have of Matt Stafford. So Jordan Schultz, oh no, sorry, Ian Rappaport, no, yeah, Jordan Schultz started it. He's an insider at Fox, but like a side plot of this is like

is he? No one knows what he does? Yeah, Jordan Schultz is a guy who I have followed for a long time and I know about him, but I don't know where he works ever or like who his boss is or who he reports for. I'm not like... Now you do. I guess. His bio says he works at Fox. I don't know if that's actually true.

You know what's funny about that is it says he works for Fox, but then if you're on, I was reading Howard Shultz's Wikipedia. His Wikipedia says his son, Jordan Shultz, works for a bleacher report. He used to it, I think. So, this has recently changed. Yeah. Doesn't Tom Brady also work for Fox? It says currently working for Bleacher report on Wikipedia. Oh.

Hell yeah. So wait, so Jordan Shultz tweeted out, Raiders Minority Owner, Tom, and this is a big story. Raiders minority owner, Tom Brady recently hosted Rams quarterback Matthew Stafford at his home in Montana, where they spent time together and went skiing. Brady has been actively trying to convince Stafford to join the Raiders. Discussions are ongoing. Several teams are interested in Stafford if the Rams decide to move him with Las Vegas believed to be the most aggressive suitor.

That's a huge story because it's kind of like, you know, Cheaters State Cheaters. And it's like this whole thing started with Stafford and McVeigh. Stafford only makes deals at five-star locations. He just switches teams every time they're in Cobb. Was it like a resort hotel? Well, it's like one of those mega-rich. It's like a compound.

Fancy ski. Yeah, like the succession place or whatever. Now's a good time to remind you that Tom Burry's. Brady tampering cost the dolphins a first round Tom Brady literally took a meeting on the yacht with Stephen Ross, the Dolphins owner, and they literally plotted to just have Sean

Peyton and Tom Brady become the dolphins coaches. That's why Brian Forge's just like, that's a whole thing, but like it was, this Game of Thrones line is like, it's not a plan, it's a plot. Like literally they plotted and then they got caught, and then that's why Tom Brady had to go to the bucks. So Jordan Schultz says that

Stafford and Brady meet in Montana and then Rappaport says, actually they met by happenstance. It was not a plain meeting. It was coincidence. They met by coincidence and had a very brief conversation about... They just both happened to be in Montana. They both happened to be in the ski resort situation in Montana. Also for the record, since I just said this, the NFL has already got back to reporters that says there's not an issue here because the Rams gave Stafford and his agent permission. Permission. So it's not tampering for the record. True. To me, does this seem like to you that Schultz is probably correct and that Brady and

Stafford did have a planned meeting in Montana? and Rappaport is covering for Stafford's agent and saying, oh, no, no, this was not to kind of like show their hand, show Stavard's hand of where he's leaning. Right, right, right. I mean, probably. Right, that has to be the case. Because Schultz, quote, tweeted Rappaport.

It's like, if you really think Tom Brady and Stafford just happened to run into each other to ski resort, of all places at the same time, we've got a bridge to sell you. And it's funny because of all the gin joints and all in the world. I actually could see a world where actually, you know what, there's only so many people that super rich, mega rich people go when they're skiing and whatever. But at the same time, I'm like, But at the same time, I'm kind of like, oh, wow, what a coincidence that Matthew Stafford, who is trying to switch teams within the next 10 days runs into the guy who runs one of the two teams. How convenient.

Whenever he wants to change teams, he just goes on vacation. Also, Stafford is not a guy I would peg as somebody who wants to be skiing right now. Considering his age. Crazy? His back. Yeah. Can we get that on a quote card? It's not a guy I would peg.

No comma. Everyone here behind the cameras just stopped. Everyone just looked down. Yeah, I just, I don't, Stafford doesn't jump out to me as a guy who's like, I'm going to go skiing right now in February. He didn't go shred. Is he even allowed to ski in his contract? Probably not. He's allowed to ski.

Jalenhurst can't go weightboarding or whatever. Right. So. Well, Jalenhurst says he can't play golf because it's in his contract, but it's not. He just says that to get out of golf, right? He wants to get out of golf? He doesn't want to play golf of people. Never mind.

Stafford's not allowed to ski. Why is he at the resort? There's no chance he can ski. I mean, there's not a lot of ski. You do have resorts. You can hang out and go to a restaurant. Yeah, but my point is, is that, like, who is going to a ski resort, not to ski? You just happen to run.

I'm Brady. I'm Brady about becoming a raider. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I totally agree. Obviously. Anyway, so, yeah, Schultz is probably right, but also, why are you screaming? Possible. Possible denial.

Anyway, this was the big talk of the town last night. Every ball. Honestly, everyone was all everyone was like, oh, my God. You know what's so funny is that, like, well. I know, I kind of do, too. I know, I kind of do too. I was going to describe it as a scrap, but I'm like, no. There's no scrap.

A cost to the scrap. This man, it cost to me. It's funny, though, where it's like... A coffee to the face would have been cool. No matter how old you are, though, it's incredible how like that, like, cliche of the high school lunchroom and someone's like, fight! And whoever just comes running, like, no matter... That never goes away. Or, like, circling around.

Yeah, like, that's what we all were. We were just like, oh, my God, there was a fight. Because there were other NFL reporters there who watched this go down, right? It's like in hockey. You only step in once they fall to the ground. Right. As long as you stay on your feet, you can find. They literally hold each other up so they can continue fighting.

Why they grab the jersey. Hockey's the best sport. We should just cover hockey. It's so sick they just start fighting. In a perfect world, we would cover hockey. So, Schultz, we want to stick on Schultz? Also, what? So is he just worth, like, $10 billion, and he just covers the NFL?

Yeah, yeah. Would you keep doing the show if you had, like, $10 billion? Honestly, maybe. I like you guys. It'd be just, like, no pressure, all fun, all vibes. Shultz can just fall back on his money and he's living the dream. It actually makes him a better reporter. Can you imagine being that rich and then just someone tweeted at you and then you're mad at,

well, I guess the owner of Twitter does that a lot. But like, imagine he just wants to pave his own way. Nothing wrong with that. Yeah. At the Starbucks. I mean, it is ironic and funny that it's pretty incredible. I don't think that was planned. You see people at Starbucks.

That's why it's such a big company. Unless Shultz was like, hey, you call me the second rap before it walks into a Starbucks. I'm going to give that guy a piece of my mind. A lot of coincidences here between the Stafford Brady thing and then Shultz had a Starbucks. It's like a weird. Anyway, yeah, I kind of wish there was a punch. Did the Starbucks have like, they were not there on happenstance? They planned that meeting. Just copy and paste the tweets.

He just replaced Brady and Stafford of Shulton Rapids. And then I quote tweet you and I'm like, if you believe this, I have a bridge to sell you. Yeah, high fits tweets that they met there accidentally and I tweet that they met there on purpose. So I will say though, this story is so funny. But it actually. You report on it? I know. We get in a fight.

It just surprises me so much of, you know, the meme and I don't even know if this was, I think it was real. I think it was real, but there's like a video of two guys on the street in New York just like flip at each other. It's not that video. No. So like a crazy. Very polite fighting. It's like they back up a few feet and then back at it. It's like rule number one, we can't touch each other.

Everything else is like the anchorman thing. No hair, no face. Of course, of course. Of course. So I will say, though, the actual, the trade, like Matt Stafford leaving. I know, like, we've known about this might happen for like a week, right? It's starting to feel more real, though.

I gotta tell you, it's gonna happen. I today was the first day, like, I knew this might happen. Today was the first day I was like, oh my God, that Stafford might be the quarterback for my team, and I kind of, like, hadn't processed that emotionally. And today I got invested. Dude, Stafford and neighbors is kind of fun. The giant, that would be.

Imagine they bring in Cooper Cup, too. I started, oh, my God, we will get, dude, the Giants are going to make sense. It's all. Giants are going to do. Now I'm feeling good about your Super Bowl. Is Stafford immediately like one of the best three quarterbacks in the history of the New York Giants?

Wow. Well, Eli, Kurt Warner, I mean, he wasn't that good for the Giants, but like Eli and then. Kurt Warner Giants. Y-A. Tiddle. Phil Sims. I mean, honestly, Stafford probably. He's straight on three or maybe two already.

I was playing with Phil Sims back in the day on Tech Bowl. Don't forget Milk Plum. You played. Yeah. Honestly, I don't mean. The old is the 80s, Phil Sims was awesome. I barely know what that is. I don't even know what platform TechMobile was on, and it's the oldest thing you referenced to me.

Bill references TechMobile. The original PlayStation, where was it? PlayStation, no. What was it? Nintendo. Nintendo. Nintendo. They didn't have a name for it.

The original Nintendo. They didn't have a name. It was just the Nintendo. Hold on. I don't remember what it's exactly called. Was the first one? Yeah. Was that not the first one?

No. Oh, my. Wait. That was my favorite Christmas gift of all time. The original Nintendo, like. 1998, I think, is when I got it. I don't actually remember if I think about that. This is like Xbox. It's just the first one. It's just Xbox?

Look, this is what it looked like. NES system. Nintendo Entertainment System. This is what it looked like. And then you put, sorry, though, obviously. My grandpa had one of those. Let me see. So, and then you would, like, put the little cartridge in.

You take it out, you blow on the cartridge. If it wasn't working right, you put it right back in. To be honest. That's why the expression, like, take out the, like, blow on the cartridge is like a thing. Yeah, all the kids are saying. I didn't realize that that was a Nintendo. They say that and glazing. Those are the two things that.

Right. I didn't realize that was a Nintendo. Yeah, that's the Nintendo. But it's called the NES? I think I just called it Nintendo. They used to play Crash Bandicoot on that thing. Okay. Dude, I had that when it was an app. I played like Duck Hunt.

Oh, yeah, Duck Hunt. Excite Bike or Excite Bike? I don't know what... Email us at Ringer Fantasy Football.Gmail.com. One, all the people listening were just infuriated at Craig and I for not understanding stuff about Nintendo and also your favorite Nintendo games from the original. The original was called NES, I guess. I didn't really call that.

Nintendo and our same assistant. Yeah, I called it the Nintendo. There's going to be. Should we get back to football or keep going on this? I cut it. What were you going to say? I was going to get back to football. Oh, yeah, sure. Fine.

There's going to be a bidding war for Stafford. We're in it right now. Giants and Raiders, a massive bidding war for Stafford. They both should want him very much. I mean, it's the perfect time for Stafford. He's going to make, like, if he stayed with the Rams as his contract currently says, he'd make like $27 million next year, which is ridiculous. He could probably make double that on the Rams or Raiders.

My last point is that why are the Pittsburgh Steelers not involved in this? I don't know. It's insane. It's insane. Seriously, they have the money, why aren't they doing it? It's because there's no desperation. The Raiders are starting saying new. The Giants are going to get fired if they don't make the playoffs,

and the Steelers like, you know, like there's no, I don't know. I don't understand it. Maybe it's the money. The Giants have won a fath came more recently. Do you think they're just balking at the idea of giving them $100 million or whatever? So here's my thing of this. Here's a thing.

I think with the Stafford trade. The market is so weak. There's nobody else. Like who, I think it's Stafford and then 100 feet of crap and then everybody else. Here's the, again, I was the bell curve meme with the idiot being like, you know. and then the middle is like the nerd saying all the smart things

and then the end is like Yoda master being saying and it's like this is obviously really fun to get Matt Stafford it's like Matt Stafford awesome and then the middle 80% of nerds are like well he's getting older he's gonna be expensive $100 million in the cab he's like two injured Give up a second room page The other side is Stafford's neighbors And this is my short answer on this which is like look

He could do the Rogers thing and could get her in his fourth snap Like watching get her in the third snap The Giants out of the world It's fine Shut up No. It's actually, I'm usually the one that's like, there's no such thing as jinxing, but even that, I was like, ah. That's not how jinxing is, this is how you're an amateur jinxing.

There's no such thing. Jynxing's when I'm saying he'll definitely play the whole season. That's a jinx. If I say he could get hurt, that's not a jinks. What do you call what you just did then? That's a reverse jigs. No, because that would. Jynxing is when I'm like, well, he'll play the whole season.

What could go wrong? That's, and then he gets hurt. I jinxed it. I think that's right. Right, but I'm curious now what the word is for what I, if it's did. I don't think there is a word for it. Okay. It's a reverse jigs. It's just, I'm the superstitious.

Just saying he could be, he could get hurt on the second play like Aaron Rogers. That's what I said. Oh, wow. Let's not say that. I think that's just a fake superstitious people think is it, that's a, that's fake. That's just like pessimism? I don't know. Yeah. Sure. Yeah, that's yeah. Cynicism. Cynicism. Anyway, the point is, I don't care if they overpay him in draft picks and money.

I want to watch a good football team. Do you know how bad this team is? Like, I, I am. If this hasn't rooted for the Giants to win the ball games. I have not, like, there has been, again, we've talked about this last night, actually. The last eight giant seasons, seven of them basically landed them as one of the 12 worst teams in the NFL. They've had the second pick, the second pick, the third pick, the sixth pick, the six pick again, like, the 12th pick. Like, they've been awful. And the worst season of all was the one time they made the playoffs and actually, that one was worse than them all. And I'm like, I want to watch an exciting football team.

Like, I am waning in my interest as a fan. I'm a Giants fan because of my mom and her mom and my mom is now like turning the game off at halftime on Sundays because she's like I can't watch this this is depressing I don't care about like what percentage of the fucking cap

they're not going to win the Super Bowl sometime soon I want to watch a football game and not feel like once we go down 10 points the game's over I think this is great point and I feel like this happens a lot and part of it is maybe our fault because we talk about the cap a lot we talk about cap space and

the optimal way of using your cap and all that I think there's there is like a thing where the pendulum has swung too far where people care too much about the cap. Yeah, I don't give a fuck. You know what I mean? Like, just, there's some gray area between being, like, the saints who are insane people

and the way that they treat their cap and, like, 90% of the other teams, just don't worry about it that much. It's just also, like, as a fan, it's just, like, less fun to worry about that. That's not your job. I know, I understand why some fans you try to be like a pseudo-GM.

Right, right. And it's fun to do the off-season thing, and you're doing the trade machine, can we make this work? and we want to save as much money as possible. But the kind of casual fan who just checks in in July and is like, holy shit, the Giants have Matt Stafford,

is like, yeah, well, they actually overpaid them by $10 million. I'm like, who gives this shit? It's not my money. Who gives the shit? It's like, oh, well, because like, here's the thing. And I do this too, where sometimes it's like, oh, well, and I do this too with Kirk Cousins

where I'm like, oh, well, you know, I don't know if you want to do that and you spend that much money, but I'm like, it's easy to say when it's not your team. But when it's your team, I'm like, I hate watching this team. Do you how much Tommy? supposed to be like Jeremy Lynn and like go away or whatever.

It was supposed to be like a three week sensation. Jeremy Lynn, actually they should have kept them. That's all the thing. But like Tommy DeVita was supposed to be a bit. Oh, he has this Asian who's like in the Italian Sports American Hall of Fame. And like it was supposed to a two week story. That was three seasons ago. He's still, he's the only quarterback on the team.

This is like, like, give me Matt Stafford. The other point that I want to make about this, like cap idea and like making sure your team is utilizing the cap efficiently or whatever. When you have good players making a lot of, lot of money, that's good. Great problem. It's a good, you want to use your cap on good players. On that note, the cap.

If your cap is going towards good players, that's a good thing. And on that note, the cap, this crazy thing happened that we didn't talk about last week. The cap went up. The cap went up again. The cap is going to be $280 million per team per year. Like, in 2018, it was $170. The cap is got up $100 million in seven years.

The entire salary cap was $100 million. like 15 years ago. Yeah. And to put that in perspective, like that basically means the NFL has made an extra billion dollars per year each of the last seven years in revenue. Dying sport. How can we fix it?

How can we fix the NFL? Yeah. How can we fix this business that's, I mean, anyway. But again, that's $100 million per team. There's $3 billion. And that's just the 45% the players get.

So they're up like $6 or $7 billion. This is why we're not covering hockey. Yeah. Because of that, mainly. It's probably true. But yeah, so it's like, the cab's going up. And I'm like,

give me a quarterback give me one of them big ones honestly like I think this is kind of a no-brainer I think there always is the chance that he could get hurt but you gotta go for it overpaying however many million from Matt Stafford is also if you compare it to what else is on the table if there was like five great quarterbacks

this off season that are up for grabs sure maybe you don't want to pay 10 million too much for a certain guy but there's Stafford and then it's like what are you going to get Sam Darnold? I'm not watching. I can't. I can't do it Like it's been like here's the Giants are on the precipice of a decade The Raiders are on 25 years of this.

There's a meteor coming pretty soon. Dude, we didn't talk about this. So you might as well sign Stafford. Roger Sherman tweeted out. If you didn't see, there's this asteroid got rated as like the highest chances that's ever been to hit Earth. It's like, I don't know if it makes a difference. I don't care.

The last, nothing would bother me more than someone, I'm going to be like, oh my God, the asteroid is going to wipe out the Earth. And she was like, actually, it's a meteor? I don't know. That's the last thing you hear on Earth. Well, actually. It's a meteor. It's a hundred feet away.

That's an asteroid. So it got updated. How big is? It didn't it say it's like the size of three football fields? Yeah, it's like an extinction event or whatever. There's a 3% chance that hits Earth, which, I don't know, that feels like a lot. Is it supposed to hit the Pacific Ocean, though, right? Yeah, well, I think that would be really bad, too.

3% is, well, that's still bad. It's all night. It's a tsunami. We don't want it to hit the Earth. People forget, though, how big the Pacific Ocean is, though. Pacific Ocean is like 70% of the Earth. Yeah, but that's, but that's, it's a tsunami. That's also like water.

The water will go to the land. The Earth the perfect way to all ocean. It's just all Pacific Ocean. The flat map really takes away how big the Pacific Ocean. Email is fun facts about maps in the Pacific Ocean, too. Ring our Fiske football, Gmail. I'm getting an update. Wait, no, the Astro, they're using the Astro.

They're the new estimate. It's actually down to like 0.002%. That it will hit a week? What changed? I don't know. They're getting more information on it. I guess it's pretty far away. The article I'm looking at here, hopefully this is the same one.

The riskiest asteroid on record now has a near zero chance of hitting Earth. We're okay. Now I don't know if you want to sign Stanford. Bruce Willis. Did they downgraded to a meteor? Now we don't have to answer the question. Do we train oil drillers to be astronauts or astronauts? Instead of the astronauts being oil drillers.

Thank God. We don't have to do that now. Also, he could have just trained both. I don't know. Could have set more people. I don't know. What were we talking about? I don't know.

Get me at Stafford. All right, let's do some Panda watch. T.K. Wait, the draft season again, we just talk about the draft prospects for four months. even though they don't play football. Can you hit us with the first Panda Watch at the season? Panda Watch! How the prospect's doing it?

Get a little panda logo in the corner. Yeah, we get the panda. Deke, so, Abdul Carter, number one player on your board, Penn State Pass Rusher, are you excited for him to work out at the Combine? No, he's hurt already. Everyone exciting is not working out at the Combine. Ashton Gentie, hanging out, doing interviews. Tyler Warren, hanging out, doing interviews.

Mason Graham's just doing the bench press. Colston Loveland has a sling on his shoulder. I love Mason Green just doing the bench press. Why? The one thing I'm really good at, and that's it. You go over the list, and every year I go over the list of all these guys, the coolest guys not participating. I'm like, what the fuck did we come?

No, it's still worth it. But, yeah, a lot of the exciting guys that we're looking forward to watching workout or not doing it. So that's the update on Panda. The Abdel Carter one, well, also said you think they're not coming out of the cave. They're not coming out here. Make you look like an idiot, Abdul. And that dick. God damn it, Abdul!

So, the update, so D.K. has this updated big board. He's up to 50 players of fantasy, or no, fancy footballs are rankings. NFL draft. Dot theRer.com. Correct. Is where Deky's big board is. And so we had Caleb Johnson listed at 320 pounds. No one, no one was going to know this until you.

Well, we fixed it. He's not 320 pounds. He's not six foot nine. I wish he was. Yeah, we had a running back list. It's kind of like a mad and creative player when you have this like six-nine running back and he's a 99 speed. and I know it is like

Yeah it's like you designed It's like Luca Donchich Would be like my running back 320 might be light It's not realistic What is what does he weigh No one knows No one knows

He knows I know you I know everyone made this joke But you were the one who made it to me Of like Supermax Is that his contractor's weight Is that what the scale said Supermax

I still can't believe He would drink sweet tea at practice It wasn't even like tea. It was fucking chick-flake sweet tea. It was like on green girls when she like gives her the like whatever the protein bars that are supposed to like a thousand calories. That's like somebody's giving Luke in it. It's like Swedish energy bar that can last you all day. It's like 2,000 calories each.

Unbelievable. Lapis bread. Yeah, sweet tea. Is that the name? Just pull that out of your dome? That's from Lord of the Rings. Like one small bite will feed a man for a whole day. Have you ever had like a frisk iced tea?

Those things are fucking good. I hate brisk. Are you talking about the sweetened ones or not? Yes, the sweetened one. Like, a sweetened snapple. It makes like your teeth chatter. Yeah, I don't like. Like, you can feel like your molars eroding.

Man, is it good? In real time, you can feel your teeth. Dude, as a kid, we used to, and like middle school, we would go to 7-Eleven buy the Arizona iced teas for 99 cents. Those things are the fucking bad. Dude, I think about the stuff in those... Like 78 grams of sugar, 20 ounces? Dude, I think about all the time, the stuff in those sodas and Coca-Cola,

the main thing they have is saccharin is like the sugar thing, is saccharin. And they did this study where they offered, rats, a choice between food or cocaine. And all the rats chose... These are like Old Wives Tales or if they're real. Well, I read it once on the Internet, so it's pretty accurate. But the rats all chose cocaine over food until they died.

And then they offered the rats cocaine or saccharin, and they all chose saccharine. I feel like this is fake, but I like it anyway. It's not called Coca-Cola for nothing. Oh, so wait, what did we say Pepsi's old name was? It was just Tom's drink? Brad's drink. Brad's drink? It was Pepsi's first name.

They just called it Brad's Drink. So there was Coca-Cola, maybe the greatest name in branding history. Brad's drink. Brad's drink. The Brad's Drink half-time show. Anyway, so Abdul Carter, the number one player in the draft. So he has this foot injury. Then again, we talked about the shoulder injury during the playoff.

He couldn't use his arm, and I can use his foot, which we probably should worry about. But again, we talked about the NFL Combined, the Combined, whatever. At the core of it, it's actually a medical event that they've made a television thing. But, like, it's to poke and proud these guys. And, like, this is why they insist upon it, because they found he has a stress reaction. And so... What does that mean? Well, I'm a doctor.

So what a stress reaction is... is that, can I legally say, I won't get sued if I say that. We need the Pat McAfee's Scroller that says, like, don't sue us. It's a comedy show, please don't sue us. Like, we need that. But as a doctor, I read on the internet that stress reaction is what you get before a stress fracture. So, like, in a way, it doesn't mean anything. So the bone has not cracked yet?

Yeah, no. No, it has not. Yeah, no. Fractured. The literal doctor for arrest of element, yeah, no. Yeah, no. Yeah, no. They're worried it's going to break, but it hasn't broken it.

Exactly. And so Drew Rosenhaus, who's super agent, Drew Rosenhaus, is Abdul Carter, who's kind of like to Scott Boris at the NFL. And he actually gave an interview to reporters and said, quote, there are mixed opinions of whether Abdul Carter needs surgery, and we will figure that out in the near future. And he went out in detail that says, there are two options for Abdul Carter. I'm not quoting anymore, but this is like what Rosenhaus said. Abdul Carter could have preemptive surgery on his foot, have a screw inserted in his

right foot, return to working out and running in like eight weeks. Or he could bypass the foot surgery, just do his pro day at Penn State on March 28th and just prove to NFL teams that he does not need surgery just to get drafted. And so it sounds like they want to see more doctors and Adam Schiff reported basically. They're going to do the second thing, not get surgery, do his pro day and prove that like I'm fine to worry about my foot. Wait, what? And then get surgery? After the point? No. Well, I guess they're not getting surgery at all. They're going to like sort of take the chance that he won't need surgery yet. Which to me, that's dumb. That's kind of, that's a doctor. I also thought he's dumb. Putting a screw in your foot is, like, when it comes to different types

of surgery, it's relatively like you have a lot of complications when you're putting a piece of foreign material in your foot. Like, those are, I think, generally more prone to, like, infection and things like that. You have more issues with it. So they're hoping they don't have to just go in it at all of that. Well, here's my question. Because you're at the combine and these things, this is what you're checking for. But don't you, I thought there's no issue yet. well there's a pre-issue this is like the pre-cog thing how do they know that

so you can tell this is like that movie minority report so you can tell that his foot is not okay but there's no cracks in the foot I don't know I know here's the doctor here's my thing you don't worry about this clearly than me

here's my question I'm a little freaked out that they're telling us all this I know it's like there's too much detail here nobody panic this makes me more worried I don't I literally kind of

you read this and I'm like you know what I get why they don't tell us anything I'm like I'm kind of of freak down that I'm getting this much information about your foot. If I'm a team like the Patriots or something, somebody with the third, fourth, fifth pick, I'm thrilled by this news. Yeah, totally, because you're just going to get Abdul-Carter.

To me, nowadays, with, like, the advancements we have in medicine, and so many guys can bounce back for pretty much anything nowadays, this means nothing to me. And if I were Abdul-Carter, I probably wouldn't work out if I was worried by getting hurt. But, yeah, to me, if he falls to three, four, five, I would absolutely take it. But the flip side also is, like, what if he breaks his foot? Like, ever? Well, it's just like, I don't know, there's like a good, you had this, I might be confusing someone else, actually, I don't remember.

I haven't got enough sleep. Who's the one, no, it's you, who's like, if a receiver has some kind of recurring foot injury, I'm out. That doesn't sound like me. Oh. Maybe it was me, I don't remember. But I waffle on it a lot, too, totally honest. You guys pretty optimistic about injuries.

I just, I'm like, I don't know what's going to happen with these people's body, so I'm just going to assume they'll be fine. It's similar to the Miles Garrett thing, where I'm like, Miles Garrett has injuries to both and it hurt him last season. I'm like, so that's just going to get better? It's like foot injuries or like back injuries. Because the most, I was a doctor. Right.

You have the most bones in your feet. And it's like, I learned that in the song. But the, no. There's just like a lot of moving parts. There's a lot of moving parts. Sing the song. No, I can't sing. Is it like the hip bones connected to the.

Yeah. Neatarsals. I don't know how many there are. The point is that I don't like the first pick having a foot issue. I still don't know the difference between the bones and your legs. Tim, Tim Phib, Tim Fibb. I know the femur. That's good.

What are they called? fibula or if you put a gun to my head I would die. Tibia and fibbia. Which I don't remember. No, fibula. No, that's like what I always mess up. You called a fibia? Do you know which is which? Just go say timfib. It should be tibia, let's be right.

Whoever made these names is just fucking with us. This is like how eagles spelled not like seagull. People are like, well, goals are an eagles with different types of birds. I'm like, I don't care. Yeah, it's like spelled them the same. Yeah, that's fine. Anyway. Anyway, so would you take him first overall right now

I guess the question is, does this affect your confidence in him as one of the best players? I would say yes by a very small degree. I think if it doesn't mean anything to you, that's crazy, but it's also okay for it to knock him down, like, one and a half percent in your mind, that's fine. Everyone is going to say that. Everyone's going to be like, I don't know if he should be the first overall pick anymore. And then when he goes fifth, everyone's going to be like best pick in the draft. You know? Yeah. Yeah.

Which then means like then just take him first. Well, here's the thing. So the other, here's the thing, though, this doesn't really move me that much. I will say, though, so the other calculation here, so your, DK, number two player at NFL, draft.orgon.com is Travis Hunter. And again, receiver, cornerback, Heisman winner from Colorado,

probably the best college athlete I've seen since Cam Newton. Like, the overall experience is unbelievable. His podium was today. What did you think? I don't want to say it was like blown away, but like I think it's not like the performance is blown away, but there's very specific, he was all business.

And if I had a single takeaway from Travis Hunter's podium, this is my belief he's gonna play both ways and I think he's gonna be good at it like a hundred percent I think he like the whole everything someone's like yeah it probably has to be a cornerback

he's gonna fucking do it like he's gonna do it man like he's gonna do it I think he's special I think it's an Otani situation everyone says it's impossible and then it happens and I'm like it was weird because there were like a hundred people there

but no one was asking questions I actually got like four questions in and it was bizarre rapid fire over there Well, I don't know. It's some good questions. You asked him if Dion was the only coach. When he was coming out of high school, Travis Hunter was the number one player in the country. Yes.

Five-star, the top, you know, top prospect in the country. And apparently what he said was Dion was the only one that promised him he could play both sides. He said, did any college, I asked him, do any college coaches think in high school that you could play both ways in the college? Right. Or was it just Dion? And he said it was only Diem that thought he could do it. And I'm like, this guy just went through this once and won the fucking high school. Best player in America, and he won it.

And so his answers to these questions, obviously, because the number one question asked Hunter, other than everyone's screaming, did you talk to the cults? Which is just, don't even give me stress. Combine faux pas. Oh, my God. But the Travis Hunter, someone basically asked him,

like, are you sure you can play both ways? And he looked at him, he's like, I know I can do it. He's like, I just did it. He was like, I know I can do it. And it wasn't angry, it wasn't spiteful, it just was like factual. And the other thing he said,

he said, someone asked him, what do you say to the fact that nobody's played both ways in the modern NFL? And he's just like, yeah, nobody's done it, but I'm different. And again, like, his demeanor, and someone asked him, if you had to pick one side to play 100% of snaps, which would you pick? He says, I'm going to play both. And he was like, people kept trapping him in, like, trying to trap him into, like,

saying which side he wanted to do. He's, like, not biting on that. There were two that stuck with me. Someone said, like, no, no, no, no. But, like, if you have to pick, Travis, what would you pick? And he's smiling. He was like, I actually, sorry, he did not smile. Which I noted.

He didn't smile during the presser at all, basically. And he was like, it's not my job to figure it out. I'm going to play both ways. Like he just, like, which is such a Dion way to handle the business of like, not my job. Take me and I'm playing both ways. You tell me what the plan is. The context with that, I think, is, you know, in the pros, obviously there's the physical rigors of it all. But the players all meet with certain specific groups or certain specific position groups during the week or whatever.

So he would be in all the cornerback meetings during the week. And so the question I think a lot of people have is like, will you not just, you're not going to go to offensive meetings then? How are you going to go to all? He only practiced defensively. He did not practice on the receiving. And they just told him what route to run on the play. It's like go out there and make plays. So I think there's, you know, that's one thing.

That's like that's a variable that some people are trying to figure out, like, what are you going to do in the pros when, you know, the receivers in the corners are meeting at the same time and studying tape. And he would just have to like stay after practice and work with coaches and do that. And so that's another variable to this outside of the physical. In the game and in practice. Right. I just frankly, like, I was, I know this is maybe silly, and look, one of the reasons some teams don't want to meet these players is you're, like, biased by just meeting them, makes you biased and kind of, like, makes you lead to bad decisions, because, you know, you didn't like Aaron Rogers's handshakes, so you took Alex Smith, you know, like, sometimes it's meeting that makes it worse.

Right. But I will say, Travis Hunter, like, someone asks them, like, who are your top five favorite players? And he says, I don't have a top five. And I was like, I fucking want this guy in the Giants. Like, but I love the car. It's cool when Travis Hunter does it, but when Jalen Hurts does it, it's late in the year. Well, no, I just, I don't, and I'm curious. It's true, yes.

I want you guys to check me because now I'm basically drunk on the idea of, I want Matt Stafford and Travis Hufford. I want Matt Hufford and I want Travis Hutter. And too much you're going to have Matt Stafford, Travis Hunter, Cooper, Koppel-League neighbors. I want that guy. I'm telling you, I kind of... Would you rather have Abdul Carter or Hunter if you had?

I want Travis Hunter. Okay. You know why? Because I've come back around to where I was during the season. He kind of makes sense for your team, too. I've come back around where I'm like, if he was just the best quarterback product, he was just like Will Johnson, New Michigan, we barely talked about, frankly because good cornerbacks are boring, nothing happens.

But I'm like, he's a great cornerback. I don't think you build around cornerbacks. And I don't like, you take a receiver in league, Dameses. He's great, you need one. But I'm like, generally speaking, I don't want to build a football team around the edges. Like, receivers and cornerbacks. I'm like, I don't remember any Super Bowl teams kind of built that way. You've got to start the trenches.

However, I kind of think there, you do. We talk all the time with the quarterback, so it's like you flip the coin. Like, what if they're good? You got to try. I'm like, have we considered, we almost haven't talked. We've talked so much about how hard it would be for Travis Hunter to do it. We haven't actually spent any time. What if he just is good in the NFL in both ways?

What if he's actually a top 10 cornerback and a top 10 receiver? We haven't actually played it out. We keep talking about the limitations. I'm sitting there and looking at this guy. I'm like, I kind of believe him when he's like, I know how to do it. I know what to do my body. And I'm like, yeah, he got trained by Dion Sanders. I'm like, I kind of believe that he's going to do it.

He does have a chance to immediately become one of the most famous non-quarterbacks in the NFL. Like overnight. He only has to do it, but put it this way. If he has an interception in like a 100-yard receiving game in a touchdown in like week four, he will immediately become one of the top five most famous non-quarterbacks in the league. If he, think about it this way. Can you imagine? And again, this is crazy, but I can't stress enough that Shohayotani led the like major league baseball in like RBI's and strikeouts per nine.

Right. So it's like I don't want to hear impossible from anyone, frankly. I think that you're not paying attention if you say anything's impossible. And like, just for a moment. It's impossible. Yeah, well, imagine getting the all pro list and Travis Hunter's at all-prone. own receiver and all pro and quarterback. And I'm like, he could do that once, never play football again.

I'm like, they'd have to talk about him for the Hall of Fame. I was more skeptical about him as a wide receiver. And then over the course this week, we've been hanging out with Matt Harmon a lot, who's actually just sitting over there right now. He works at Yahoo! Fantasy Football Show, and he does reception perception. He's like one of the best receiver knowers. Yeah, he's a ball knower when it comes to receivers in route running and getting open and everything.

He told me last night that Travis Hunter is the best wide receiver he's ever charted in college. Dude! That's what I'm thinking. I was like, man, really? What do we think? I was like, we're talking about Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, like, whoever. He's like, basically since O'Dell Beckham, he's the best I've seen. It's preposterous.

And also, that's, I think Charis was better. I can't believe he's, I actually want to talk to about that. That's insane thing to say. Chase, you're going to tell him he's wrong? No, I want to know why. I always think of Jamar Chase is the modern. It's wrong. No, I'm just curious.

That's a wild thing to say. But like, that's the, but here's the thing. At some point, I just think we have, like, maybe I'm crazy, but I'm like, I just think he's going to do it. And I'm like, imagine Pat, he's the best athlete I've ever fucking seen that wasn't playing. You are very invested in this. I like it. I just, I like it.

I basically, it's like, what if he, I guess here's my better question. What if he does it and you didn't take him? I think the Giants are also uniquely set up to take him because obviously if you get Stafford that relieves any need for a quarterback. But also, you have such a good defensive line. So even not taking Abdul, Abdul Carter, it's like, that's kind of okay too. You're not a team that necessarily needs it. You can kind of like take a shot on the Travis Hunter because you need the corner. You need the wider.

receiver, and if you have a good quarterback, you can now throw to him, it's kind of the perfect fit. I guess I know I'm harping on this, but he's the most interesting prospect I think we've ever covered. Like, quarterbacks are different, like, you know, I know he's not Caleb Williams, whatever, but like, I think he's the most interesting non-quarterback that I've ever seen in football. And I just keep thinking about what is the underlying principle of why you take quarterbacks and pass rushers over cornerbacks?

It's scarcity. It's like you need a quarterback, they're hard to find. You need a pass rusher they're hard to find. The underlying principle, that I think has nailed from it. When Traff's, like, basically I really believed him. When I'm like, I kind of do think that he's right and everyone else is wrong about being able to do it. Like, I really believe him. And I'm like, the underlying principle of, you know what's hard to find? The first person to ever do this. And I think that if you want to be, like, I just kind of want to take the shot that you'd be the first team to ever get anyone like this and just see what happens.

And I can't pass on that. I cannot pass on that. It'd be really funny if they just took like Will Campbell. After all that. Yeah, it's like, man, we wanted to. He's going to play guard. We're going to end up with fucking Justin Fields and Will Campbell. Anyway, all right, too much on that. We've let, Hyfitts is daring to dream right now.

I love it. That's a jinx. What I just did is that's a jinx. You are daring to dream. So, DK, you have your top 50 at nifledraft.org. com, and you updated it. You had 32 before. Now you got 50.

And I want to ask you in particular about one player who I... And my boy, at four, I love it. And go to your phone, laptop, whatever, NFLDraft. Dot, the ringer.com. It's an amazing website. and Deacon's Scouting reports are incredible. They're the best in the game. I want to ask you, you have at number 34.

Matthew Golden, the receiver at Texas. A guy we have not talked much about. We have not. Yeah, we'll get into him. Because he came into the season. It's supposed to be Isaiah Bond. Golden's just better. Bond is really exciting, too.

But he had a, he kind of... He's hurt. He had an off season. But when you watch him, he's one of the best athletes in college football. He's insanely exciting, but also I think there's a lot more variance there. I always want to know why someone who was good ended up being bad. Like, you always got to figure out what happens. Right, right. But that's like part of the whole process. But like just, you know, based on his upside potential, Bond is really exciting. But Golden, I think, is, well, what are you going to say about Gold.

Well, I was going to say, can you explain your player comp for Matthew Golden is Airbud is a God. Golden Receiver. Oh, God. Golden Receiver. I've been wanting to use the airbud for a long time. Airbud. Airbut. I looked up. So I was like, he's a golden receiver. Golden receiver. Golden receiver. I think. Is it? Golden receiver. That's great. So it worked out. Also, I think, Roger Sherman was like, do you think they make the movie of the movie? they don't come up with the title?

What was that? We got to figure out. Title came first. And they're like, we'll make a movie. Yeah, yeah. It's kind of pride to the Caribbean. They just had a ride. I went, I went in, like, I was, this is how much work in, and fact checking I put

into this. I actually went and, like, looked up the plot to Airbud Golden Receiver to make sure that it worked. Right. What else did you need to know? What about the plot? Well. Him being a dog that plays wide receiver wasn't enough?

No. That's how deep I'm going on these. No, it was like, honestly, like, I was like, I wanted to make sure that he wasn't play like defensive end or something i don't know like obviously receiver the movie called gold was gonna say this are look i'm just you know what i'm doing my own research you think he's like a four tech dude i kind of want to watch this movie he catches the ball with his mouth which i love yeah um and he has like a weird weird helmet

the move it's just a preposterous movie does the helmet allow for his mouth to catch the ball or does he just get stuck in the face mask no i don't think he has a face mask hold on let's see airbud golden i think you so the first one was air bud he was a basketball player The second one was Airbud, Golden Receiver. We work at the ringer. Roger Sherman. The Redwood World Pupp. Dude, Roger Sherman literally wrote an entire column on this for the ringer.

It's the plausibility rankings of all the Airbud movies. Airbud's seventh inning fetch. Well, Airbud starts with a basketball. Airbud started with a basketball game where they needed him to come in for like seven seconds and he booped it off his nose into the basket and it ends with him hitting all and running the World Series. Craig, look at his helmet. His helmet's like a little, it's like one of those old, like, from the 19-30s. They have one where he robs a museum and goes through lasers.

Look at this. Look at this guy. This dude can run the house. They have a movie where AirBut. Look, he goes through a museum and he was like the guy from Ocean's 12. He's like Ocean's, yeah, he's going through the lady. Yeah, he's going through the Fox or whatever. He's going through like lasers.

He's like stealing Faberjeet eggs. The Night Fox. Yeah. Dude, that movie was bad, but the other, 11 and 13 are good. I thought they were all good. What are you talking about? I like, I like being in Europe with all of them. It's good.

Julie Roberts playing Julie Roberts, who could have failed and it's pretty awesome. He wears the number. K-9. They thought of everything. Okay, so anyway, after intense research, you determined that it was a proper comp. Yeah, I think it works really well. While running, like a short area agility, field tilting speed. You're not catching up with a dog.

Right. He has a tail also, Matthew Golden, which has... Wait, hold on, wait. He's going to do a press conference tomorrow. Should we ask him like, hey, you know you think you have that dog and you, my friend Danny Kelly, you compared you to air. By the way, they got that dog in him, is on there, too. Airbud? Should we tell him that you comp in the airbud? No, I'd rather not.

He's probably too young to know the movie. I bet he's never seen it. He would not know what we're talking about. Is that Duke Houser for us? Like, we talk about Airbud? And they're like, what is that? If some GM came up to you, if Omar Khan came up to you and was like, hey, D.K., I love your draft coverage. I'm really interested.

I love your draft coverage. We're thinking about taking a receiver with our first pick. Who's your comp from Matthew Gold? What would you say to him? What would you say to him? Mark on's face. That's a great question. Have you ever seen the second Airbud movie?

Airbud golden receiver? You know the Golden Receiver said colon, golden receiver. So in that film, he actually does play receiver. I checked. Yeah, he does. I looked it up. He's catching the ball with his mouth. He has a mind-ball attitude.

And yeah, he goes up and gets it. He wants the ball at all times. Yeah. You throw him the ball one time. He'll just want that for it. He eats out of a ball with no hand. the comps are endless but yeah his last name is golden

is the most important so wait of all the receivers here this is like probably the dumbest thing I've ever done dude you compare the Michigan defensive tackle to the fucking large particle collider the hadron the large hadron particle collider not the small one the big one

I just thought the idea of GMs coming up to DK and asking him for comps on the players that he only does He's like so, okay, Matthew Golden, that's funny. What about like Shador Sanders? What's your comp? And you're like, well, it's like if Dion Sanders had a son that played quarterback. He's like, okay? It makes you think.

Tiki, what's your comp for Tyler Warren? And you're like, have you seen that video of Andy Reed where he's bigger than all the other kids? Hold on. He's a 13-year-old. Yeah, watch it, watch it. He's like, oh, look, they spilled his name, bro. Fuck, my phone's not loading.

Do you have the Wi-Fi? Is there any bigger ink than when you try to show someone a video and you're vulnerable, you can't even load or find the video, and they're, like, sitting there waiting, and you're like, do I bail? Anyway. Man. I can't wait for that to having, Craig. Andy Reed won back.

It's a kick. It's a button is all up. Like Mason Graham. Well, he's kind of the large, had drawn. Hard notes. I remember, like, they were afraid that they'd create a black hole with the thing, and they were like, that won't happen, you know? So, yeah.

So your receiver tight-tied in rankings here, let's go receiver. You have Travis Hunter is your top, obviously just on the board overall. But just pure receivers is just. Like you have Ted McMillan out of Arizona. You have Emeka Abuka from Ohio State. You have Luther Bird in like three spots ahead of Matthew Golden. And I'm curious. If I told you one of Luther Burden or Matthew Golden went in the first round,

who do you think it would be? Ooh. That's tough because I think there's, like, you could look at it both ways. I think gold, so with Luther Burden, he's really twitchy. Craig. He went to Missouri. He's like a former five star. He's kind of in that vein of like a Travis Hunter.

He was a huge high school prospect. He stayed near, I think he's from St. Louis. He stayed in home. He went to Mizzou. He had a huge, I believe his sophomore season, he went absolutely nuclear. And then this last season, their offense wasn't as good. His numbers were down. I think there's some concern that they have to kind of scheme him up on some plays in terms of like,

he's not a gadget receiver by any means, but they're giving him a lot of screens, a lot of passes behind the line of scrimmage, you know, trying to get him in space. He's not as polished as a receiver. route runner, all that stuff. He doesn't really win at the catch point when it's like, you know, the ball's up in the air. He's pretty inconsistent in that area. I think golden is more polished, but I just think in terms of like that overall athleticism and like freakish athletic ability, Luther Burden has that more than golden. Golden is really quick and, you know, he can get open early. He's really good at the catch point in terms of like he has like some incredible one-handed catches on tape.

Like there's one I remember he kind of like caught it on like his bicep as he was like going. out of balance. He's got like some crazy catches. And so he's, you know, I think he's a little more polished as a receiver, so it wouldn't surprise me if either of these guys go on the first round, I'd say it's probably more likely that Burden is a first rounder right now. Because the upside, just like the tantalizing athleticism? 100% it's like that upside.

But I did see, like, Daniel Jeremiah had a tweet the other day that was like basically something along lines of like this guy could be the best receiver in this class. Burden? For Golden. Oh, golden. Yeah. Which is, that's like includes, Travis Hunter and Ted McMillan. I mean, we're talking about Travis Hunter playing both sides.

I mean, if Matthew Golden's like Airbud, like he could also play baseball. Volleyball, basketball, soccer in the world. We'd have to cover hockey if he could be played hockey. He could be someone's pet as well. All right. He's not trying to get, you know. He's got the dog in him.

He's got that dog in him. He does have that dog in him. I love that. It's like, all. Matthew Golden, comp, Airbud. Luther Burden's comp, comp. DJ Moore.

Look, you can't do all of the players. Because what if a GM comes up to me It asks me about Luther Burden Right You know? Burden, I love Burden, we'll talk about burden a lot I'm kind of like, I don't know The way you're hand wavy

About like injuries It'll be fine I look at people like People like well why did he suck last year I'm like I don't know Like his quarterback The offense has hurt the entire season

And like I think DJ Moore's a perfect comp For variety of reasons But also just the quarterback held DJ Moore's gone through I'm like Right I don't know

Right anytime DJ Moore's an even okay Quarterback play He's pretty unbelievable And it's like yeah The offense is limited The whole thing's around I don't know I'm not

I don't watch Missouri and think what's up with Luther. I think Burden has the same explosiveness as DJ Moore, but I think he's shifty or left and right. Oh, really? He has that, like... I'm saying a lot, too, because I think that's... DJ Moore's really shifty. To me, Burden has, like, 99 percentile stop and start ability.

Like, Antonio Brown with the ball on his hand. Wow, yeah. Yeah, no, I think, yeah, so I like Matthew Golden. Yeah, Luther, Burden. Also, Burden the third is an unbelievable name. Yeah, he has a good name. Because you know why it's sort of like... Like the NBA meme.

It's like, oh, this guy's going to be... problem, but it's like, no, this guy's a burden. That's so sick. Problem. Should I just like, I should, I should go through my top 50 and just like take pictures of my scatter reports and just say for every single one. This guy's going to be a problem. I love that.

Wait, you just do 50 tweets in a threat. That's really funny. Old highlight tapes of random NBA players who were fine. Dave Lee was a problem. Sorry, it's blue sky. It's 50, it's 50 skits in a row. Yeah, yeah. You'll need a refractory period.

I have to wait every 15 minutes, you know. I'm kind of a problem. Right now in my rec team, I'm not gonna lie. Yeah. This guy's a problem. Should we, we, I introduced, we met the charges reporter Chris, who covers the charges for ESPN. And I was like, oh, this is Craig.

He lives in LA too. And immediately you guys were like, do you just play basketball together? He was like, oh, do you know this? He's like, oh, I play in a rec league. And I was like, oh, yeah, I play with some ringer guys. And he was like, wait, do you play with Jackson Safon, who used to work at the ringer? And I was like, yes, he's on my team.

And he was like, yeah, we just played you guys like a month ago. And I was like, wait, I remember you. he's like, oh yeah, I think you yelled at me because I kept grabbing your jersey coming off screens. I was like, you fucking did. I'm rolling off screens, and he's grabbed my shirt every time. We walked away. I was like, are you going to fucking grab me the whole game?

Dude, we walked away, and Greg was like, that guy was really grabbing me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, man. I was like, trying to make guys at the rap. I was like, he's grabbing me on every screen. Oh, my God, that's hilarious. He didn't even apologize. He was just like, yeah, he was doing that.

Yeah, I am. That's how I play basketball. Oh, okay. Now we're friends. Yeah. Oh my God So I like the idea of Craig

You had like a total dick On the past He was mean He was unapologetically You're not saying you did anything wrong I just like the idea of you like starting fights You're like a nice guy Laid back

Yeah And then you get on the court I have a tendency If no one on my team Is gonna bring that type of energy I'll bring it Yeah yeah Like if no one's getting Mouthey

I will You're setting screens Yes but if there's other guys On my team who are a bit Malfi I'll kind of lay low I kind of like fill in when needed That's fair Do you get a glue guy?

You know what would surprise, you know, it was weird? When I play, like, sports, like competitive sports like that, I am a mute. I communicate with my teammates. I don't, I am, it's the quietest I ever am.

It's just out there hustling. I am an absolute mute. Why do you think that is? I don't know. I should have never thought, but I'm a mute. It's just the most talkative person I've ever met in my life, and he barely ever twilight.

Whenever I do you play in basketball, you are not a shit talker, you're not in anyone's face. I don't say it word. No. I literally like, I wait till the games of it. It's such a weird contradiction.

Does that come from a lack of confidence in your ability on the court to back up what you would be saying? That wasn't what I was thinking. That's way less cool than what I was kind of come up with. Now I'm like maybe. Honestly, probably very jinxed at it. No, I just, I don't know. I just feel confident that like whatever someone says won't get to me. I don't know.

I think it's, I don't know. I just don't. If somebody's shit talking you, you just take it, you won't respond. We'll stare them in the eyes and say nothing. What's your best sport? What sport do you feel the most confident in when you're playing currently? Handball. You talk shit more on while playing sports you better at?

No. I'm not a shit talker. Even fantasy, when I win, I kind of like, I kind of do the Larry Fitzgerald. Like, I win a championship and I kind of had the ball of the ref. He's the fucking MJ, like, shrug guy. I send a gift. I send a gift. When I win at league and fantasy, I spend an hour looking for the right gift, and then I'd never bring up that I want ever again.

Hyphitz is actually, silence is the best fun. Hifitz is annoyingly good at fantasy. It's like, it makes me mad. Yeah. I'm like, this fucker shouldn't be the... It actually really angered me that you didn't know. that I won the league this year, you were like, who won? And it was like, me.

It was like, nobody's so weird. Once you're out, you're like, someone will win. Because you missed the playoffs. Like, you're like removing the Yahoo app from your bookmarks to. Like, I'm good. I'll check back in August. I was so, like, because I don't shit talk the leagues, but then the moment I do, everyone's like, you're an asshole.

And then it's like, oh, if I don't do that, then everyone just forgets that you want. Shit talking and fantasy is really funny. And, like, everyone hates you when you do it. Yeah. Or shit talks, but it's hilarious. It is. It's good to stir it.

I think it's like you actually have to shit talk constantly really, really constantly remind people that you won. I've started doing it more in my group chats, where it's like kind of the whole point. It's just to make fun of your friends. Other NFL news, this one's usually pretty boring, but I actually think this is something. So the Chiefs, also, wait, you just told me this happens now,

but we are confirmed. Trey Smith is going to get franchise tag? Was that, like? Yeah, according to Schefter. So, Schefter, no, sorry, according to Rapporteur. God, come on. Jesus. Whoa.

We're going to start another fight? The board just comes from the fight. Do we have a problem? We need to talk. We do need to talk. Keep his name. out your mouth. We don't need to talk about the fact that he called security. Did he call security or was security? He alerted security. He alerted security.

Rappaport did. NFL security, which my question is kind of, which, yeah, it's kind of tough. But my question is, I kind of can't believe he can do that. Why? I didn't know that. Because you just like, Starbucks had security. Dude, no, NFL security. You ever seen, you ever seen? Just Big Dom, the Starbucks version of Big Dom is just standing next to the barista all day? If anyone's calling Starbuck Security, it's definitely the Shultz kid. 100%. But, um... That's really funny.

I just, you ever seen Head Estate, the Chris Rock movie? Yes, actually. Security! And there's Paul him away, and I'm like, I thought Goodell had it like that. I thought he'd got it like that? Clint Wood, just running by the limousine, you know? Yeah, rap where did people disappear? What's it called?

I just, we did it on the rewatchful was a year ago. In the line of fire. The line of fire, yeah. This was like 50 years ago when that movie was made in the 90s. And Clint Eastwood was 75 when they made it. He was old then He was tired then He was getting back into it

And he was still alive In the 1990s Yeah He made Unforgiven as like his final western Slendys what is the oldest person on earth That's actually insane And he just directed a movie He was old and watched it

Duggy Houser was on TV When he made that movie He was like Dugie Houser's father More than that Grandfather So anyway so the change But great-great yeah like the Kristen

one of her so she's put the franchise my dad actually invented the moon he put it there his name is Warren Moon so the chiefs put the franchise tag on Trey Smith of the Chiefs which is

I mean let's be honest it's kind of boring but it's a huge bummer for me because I wanted the Seahawks to sign him and to remind her that all the list of free agents people make it's kind of like they're not going to hit it thanks great

okay Craig so talks about the fucking Steelers every episode. I know. Oh, come on. Some of the Warriors. The Giants? What we fucking talk about is the Giants. Well, you got, you know what, I'm not getting to it. The Chiefs tagged. He didn't have a debate. No, the fifth time, six times. The Chief's tag, God damn.

Like a fan of a team in February. I mean, like, dang it. They franchise tag. The card. Well, no, I think what it means. So the interesting card. I'm really hoping my team to sign him. The interesting wrinkle, though, is that the way the tag works is the average of the top five size of a position. So if it's quarterback, it's like a tag. I'm like, oh, $45 million to the quarterback, I'm like, oh, oh, I'm like, oh, whatever. There's no guard tag. It's just offensive line tag. So it's more than average. So it's like a left tackle. It's a left tackle price for a right guard. They wrote it down like 20 years

ago and then you couldn't. The reason is because it got put in this collective bargaining agreement and basically there's not, there's like 3, 2,000 players in the union and there's like 20 players a year. There's like really eight players you get the tag and they're the richest players. So the politics of it are like You can't convince the player pool To use capital negotiating with the owners To help the fucking franchise tag guys Because they're the richest players in the league

So the tag rules are pretty unchanged Even though the tag is the reason all the players Don't make as much money as they should When you say they don't want to use the capital to negotiate You mean like literally It's collectively bargained And when the union negotiates with the league In the collective bargain agreement

They'd have to change the paragraph But like it's the mechanism In which the NFL kind underpays all the players It's the franchise tag But like you can't convince you know, I mean, the 52nd player in the roster's vote on the bargaining agreement is equal to, like, Patrick Mahomes is one vote. So, like, when you're doing it, no one gives a fuck about how Patrick Wilms would make more money. Because, like, who cares?

I'm trying to, like, literally, they want to, like, what they actually do is they move the minimum salary from $600K to a million. Because that affects, like, a thousand people. So it's like, but they can't, so. But the reason the money stays is because the good players don't reach for agency, which have the attack, which is what this is about. This is why you shouldn't care about the salary. Yeah. Sorry. I'm going to treat bleep everything I just said.

What in the majority of the... Am I the energy vampire all along? I can feel my eyes. Like, blazing over. Put on airbus. I'm just fucking hockey. Jesus. What is the majority of the union

want to change this rule because then it means guards get less money and then that money can be used elsewhere? Yeah, but that's in four years. They're going to be out of the league. Like, literally the average career is two and a half years. They want an extra $400,000. And this year and next, then you'll be out.

So that's why the NFL union's behind. The NBA Union, MLB union, more powerful because players are longer careers. Right. So it's like, you know, they're thinking years. NFL players can't do that. Money now. So the reason I, I'm sorry to energy family.

Everyone listening to, I was just falling asleep driving. I'm Googling Airbud movies. Anyway. Airbud best quotes. I'm going to explain this whole thing. Who owns the Airbus franchise? Are we still doing AirBuds? Not sure.

I feel like we should. You should the dog died? I didn't want to say it's bad vibes. How many dogs? A lot. They've gone through a lot of dogs. I mean, Gover receivers, you know. Like 40 years.

There are Disney on it. There's Air. Bud World Pup. Airbud, 7th inning fetch. Airbudd spikes back. Snowbodies, Space Buddies, Santa buddies, spooky buddies,

Spooky Buddies, Treasure Buddies, Super Buddies. There's like a whole other offshoot franchise. It's owned by Walt Disney coming. If a dog wore pants, where do you... Sorry. Would a dog wear pants? So you said the Walt Disney Company? Well, I spread it.

I'll read whatever you put in front of me. You really are. We don't talk with it or not. You really are. You will read fucking anything I put in this doc. Yeah. Yeah. You read Int, I'll never get over reading Int out loud.

You're still the other thing. Yeah, you were really hung up on that. It's never happened before. You get very upset when I accidentally say TD instead of Int. No one says TD. No one says TD. People say TD. It's not as rare as you would think.

Ah, I lean hyphids. You don't hear a lot of TV. I like how Craig is always like, he's the deciding vote. I'm like reality. I'm like point hyvitz. Yeah, no, seriously. Okay. Should I just finish the Trace Smith thing or just quit?

I know. Oh, Mark. That'd be really funny. They're ending the show. They can't sue us. It's over. There's dozens of us, Craig. Email it.

What is it? Ring or Fantasy Football at gmail.com if you say TD in your regular life. Around the horn. There's dozens. What do we call it? Near the horn? Pardon my tag? We just take two.

What's the other one? Cold horn? Pardon my horn? I don't know. There's something there. Pardon my horn? Well, they just did, like, because they just took pardon the interruption

and first take? No, no, no, I get that. Okay. Just sounds like sexual innuendo, but maybe that's good. Pardon my horn. I'm not going to finish this chief's thing. I'm not going to finish the Trace Smith thing.

I need to know what you think about. Tray Smith, the guard on the chiefs getting through. Yeah, it's signaling. Tell us more. Fuck. All right. Any of my defense,

you asked the follow questions about the CBA. I did. That was you. We'll cut all of it, but I did. You'll cut it all. Negative point for Craig. The reason it's interesting is I think it captures the extent to which defense has caught up to offense of the NFL. Because offenses are so desperate for offensive line play that the chiefs are going to give left tackle-ish money to a right guard

because they realized they tried to replace T. Smith, and literally he's the best free agent that will be out there. T. Higgins goes back to the bagels. T. Trey Smith's like the best. He didn't even have a great season. He is probably lesser season than the year before. but there's so few offensive lines and, like, defense has gotten so much better in attacking protections that you need good linemen, and I think you saw this

The Seahawks is the reason why they're going to be in-resman. You saw this with the Seahawks, D.K. We're last year at this combat, John Schneider, the GM of the Seahawks is out here like, yeah, guards are kind of overrated, you know, you can get philomon. We don't think of guards as, like, premium positions. And then guess what?

The entire Seahawks season got to rail because the guards sucked, and their center sucked. And it's like, I mean, he retired in the middle of season. I said that kind of weird. Like, like, sucker and suck a time. They sucked. Sucked. I mean, they did.

Yeah, they did. Pressure. Mike McDonnell how to wear it. Run the damn ball. Pressure. Pressure. But I think that's what it says. Like, the fact that the chiefs are going to do that

just signals, like, teams need interior, just need offensive lines so badly right? Because you can't function with that. Wasn't that like a weird run on guards last year? Weren't the Broncos spending a lot of cars? Well, the Panthers spent a ton because Bryce Young, because he's so short, if there's interior pressure, he just can't make a football play.

So they had to overpay. They gave, like, $100 million to guard. They should really try to find, like, the five best but shortest offensive line than for the Panthers. Oh, that's good. You know? Like a small apartment, you've got to get, like, boutique furniture. Yeah. You know, you've got to, like, really find the right dimensions.

Yeah. Yes. Exactly. No, it's got to think about it. You know, near city, like, you can't just get any furniture. That shit's got to be 26 inches. They should find the best but shortest offensive line they can find. Just like the Eagles. Their two guards are six, seven.

Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. All right, so we're going to cut all that, right? Anyway, other rule changes, D.K., I don't know if this gets you your rocks going, but, um... Dick is still looking at AirB. What the fuck are you doing? He's still fucking scrolling on Airbus.

He's going to go out of my computer on IMDB. Hey. Yeah, I was looking at it. Airbud spikes back. Volleyball. His revenge? Oh, okay. Volleyball.

I'm cutting his rule changes. Disney serves up adventure. Get it? What? On Spike spec. You know, it's... Serves up adventure? Sure.

Like a volleyball serve? Right. Yeah, yeah. I played volleyball. So. Oh, San Diego State? Unfortunately, no, I did not play D1 volleyball. Well, I mean, that was what I was asking.

I got D3 offers. What? Yeah, to play volleyball. Do they play D3 offers to play volleyball? Yeah. Like, really, like, like, like, College of the Redwoods. Like, what is college of the Redwoods? Is the whole college, like, built, like, in the forest, in a tree?

College of the Redwood? You almost play? You almost play? I don't almost play. I think, like, I got a letter in the mail, and I was like, I'm obviously not doing that. No. God. You're going to get a really sternly written letter

I debated trying to play club in college, but I was like you actually have to travel. And I was like, I'm not doing that. Wait, we have, we have... That's the point. I'm not going to... Dude, also, all these, like, viable players like, UCLA, you're like, all right, you got to fly to Maryland now

because you're in the Big Ten. It's actually, like, it's actually preposterous that we're flying these... The water polo? Going to Rutgers? Water polo to Rutgers? Are you kidding me? That's not.

I can't believe that we've even for, even for one year we've pretended that this is that we're going to do this. Like, it's actually insane. Build a new platform. I don't think you could find one person that actually believes that anyone should be doing that.

No. You couldn't find one. That's like, anyway. Converses should be regional. Other things. Hot take. We have a bunch of things left

that are like pretty core. One, the one thing we missed from the NFAPE report card, Patriots don't have Wi-Fi on their plane. Oh, God. They do not have Wi-Fi on the team plane. Hyvids would have a problem with that.

That's not what I said. I on the other hand. Not what I said. Matters to me. Also, on that report where they, so basically the Patriots got really bad grades for I don't know what that fell under the treatment

of players or whatever. But the airplane, this reminds me so much of Major League where the, like on the movie, they're getting on the team plane, it's like this old propeller plane and there's a guy like duct taping the propeller. They're like all scared for their lives. Apparently the Patriots team plane still has

you know the ashtrays in Oh my God. Get out of here. Get out of here. Do you think it's a team-building tactic? No, Wi-Fi means you've got to talk to your teammates. No, they're just cheap. You've got to bond. They're just cheap.

I mean, I like that idea, but no. Do you guys want to do a couple Indianapolis stories, then post-malone Oreos? Do you want to post-Millian-Arios and then some Indianapolis stories? Do you talk about St. Elmo? Okay, so a crazy thing happens. We went to St. Elmo, the Steakhouse, and shout out to Josh Norse and Hayden and the Underdog. and we had a great dinner. We'll be there again tonight.

We'll be there again tonight. arguably too many times. Yeah, too many times. And we had this great dinner, and we came up, and there's, all these reporters were friendly with her having dinner upstairs. And it's like an old school steakhouse. They have all these photos in the wall of all these people that have been there, right? And so we're sitting, and it was Nora. Nora was at a table with Caitlin Collar and I think Cassidy Hill. I forget who was at what table. And they, like, oh, and Cat Fitzgerald in Buffalo. And we're sitting there, and I woke up, and I'm looking at the wall, and it's like, you know, two on my right, two of my left, and I'm looking at the wall. And I'm looking at you, and I'm like, what is this photo at your table, guys? And they're like, what are you talking about? Who is in that picture? Like, on the wall? You go to an old steakhouse. There's always, like, everyone's gone there. Shaking the hand of the owner of the restaurant with their signature on it. I sat by one, or set by a picture of like Nick Offerman or whatever. It's like Gordon Ramsey and Peyton, yeah. And so I'm like, who is that? And like, that's Saddam Hussein.

And they're like, no, it's not. And I'm like, what do you mean? And I'm like, and they're like, can't get enough in the horsewax? This really happened. And they're like, what do you mean at Saddam Hussein? I'm like, he's in handcuffs and they're holding a paper in front of him. French onion soup. He was in handcuffs?

The paper says December 4th, 2003. That's Saddam Hussein. I was the picture of Saddam Hussein getting arrested by this guy that was barely in the FBI. It was a frequenter of the restaurant. This was, Kat was explaining this. So they told this. So later they thought of. gift to the family. He went back.

A picture of me arresting. Yeah, so the guy, they went back every year and sat at this table, looked at the photo of him. I guess the guy gave him the photo. We're going to sit there tonight. So we should get to that table. And I guess the guy actually passed away, so his family comes and sits at the table. So, but they didn't realize it. So anyway, I take a picture of them pointing the photo, and I take a photo of the photo, and it's

a little grainy, and my phone camera's kind of stuff. And I zoom in. And I'm going to put this on Spotify. We're going to put this on Spotify. You can look at the photo of the photo, and then we'll switch it and show the angle that Craig had. And so I showed Craig and I'm like zoomed out version. And I'm like, do you know who this photo is of? No context.

I just show him. Again, the odds that the person in the photo was Saddam Hussein were one in a million. Less than the asteroid. The asteroid is like 0.04. The odds that it was a celebrity, you know, an older celebrity. It's not where your mind was going. I don't know. I don't know anybody.

I try to zoom in the best I can in this crazy photo. I'm this guy with jet black hair and he seemed to be wearing like a black jacket. And I said, is that the Fonz? I think I just talked a little. That was the best moment. In my defense, Saddam. In my defense, Tom was doing this.

He did, no, he wasn't. He just hit the jukebox. God. The Fond. I couldn't think of a better, a better example of who you could have got. We're going to post on Instagram and Blue Sky the photo of the Saddam at the elbow.

I looked at out. I just like, is that the Fons? Like, I didn't even take a beat. Dude, should we put that to the title? It's just like Edifle Combite updates.

It's Saddam, the Fons. who say. Oh, Jesus. Like, look, that kind of looks like. Dude, can you pull it off?

It's not a bad, that, D.K., that's your next call. If anyone listening to know Henry Winkler, can you send him

this conversation, please, for the love of God? Henry Winkler lives right near me in L.A. That's the flexes, are you kidding me? No, I see him driving a lot.

Where do you live? Brentwood. Oh, okay. In an apartment, but I see him driving from his house. We get this picture. That's pretty close.

Yeah, dude. If anyone can get this section of the pod in front of Henry Winkler. Please let him know that he was confused for Saddam Hussein. At that photo of the Fonz. If it's really blurry, for instance. While we're telling stories, do you guys want to tell the story of what happened to us literally seconds before we started recording with the people who came up to us?

With the cakes. Yeah, so there's, I don't know who are they with? Actually, can I tell my version of it? Indianapolis tourism? Can I tell my version of this organization or something? Well, they walk around giving out treats. They give out an Irish cake. And they're like, hey, so we're having, and they're filming us.

They got the little tiny mic. The Gratio Irish whiskey cake. Oh, yeah, here. Give me the cake. We should eat it on air. Oh, yeah, we'll review it. Where is my? Is it going to ruin our appetite for the post-moan Oreos?

Nah. Here it is. Nah. Oh, yeah. What are we, 12? We can eat both. Anyway, yeah, they walk around trying to get fun little sound bites so they can put together a montage video of it, I assume.

And the least surprising thing of all time is that Hyper. So I started asking. Really into this idea. Well, I'm just on camera now. I don't know what they are. The most engaged. she's ever been in his life. She's like, oh, we're giving out these like Irish cakes, pistachio, Irish whiskey and Hyphids. It's like, why? Like, tell me more about this.

She's like, well, we're actually like, there's just a whole thing we're doing in Ireland and we wanted to promote Indianapolis with this like Irish dessert. And then as the one woman is saying that the next one who's holding the camera goes, I think I remember you from last year. He's been here last year, weren't you? You're the guy who asked a lot of questions. And it wasn't, as Tucker pointed out, your photo on the wall in our office. Yeah. I'm sorry. I can find this. I get confused for Stam. Avoid this man.

She wasn't like, oh, I remember you from last year. It was, I think I remember you from last year. Yeah. Are we trying this cake? Yeah. Again, pistachio, Irish. So they have a, they had a, well, in my defense, they were like, so we're doing, I was

like, why are you doing this? I was like, because we have a flight from Indianapolis to Ireland now. And I was like, so are you with the NFL or the airline? She's like, she was like, I'm with Indianapolis. And I'm like, I don't know. You guys are just taking cake. And my Fitz really cares a lot about. I will care.

he's getting his candy. I'm having a hard time opening. This is really good. You've been doing that all right on. How do you open this? It's wrapped up. Can't find the end of it. It's like, you know, the wrapping, or the packing tape where you can't find where to peel it? Yeah. My favorite...

Hold up to the camera. My favorite scene ever, while you're hot. Your earbuds walking it. Oh, okay, I got it. I got it. While he's opening it. Hey, don't... You can look at airbud later, all right? Yeah, it's unbelievable.

Jesus. You're looking at a hooters, you think. He's very protective of his screen time. I know, what's happening with it? Very protective of his screen time. Have you seen the curb... You know the curb your enthusiasm He's trying to open like a pair of scissors

and it's in that like really hard plastic case He's stabbing it with a knife to open it. It's like my favorite picture. I've hurt myself trying to open stuff before. What? This has like a nutty... I cut myself on a water bottle. I was actually wondering about that.

I cut my finger on a water bottle. This has like a nutty butteriness to it. It's pretty good. It's really good. What's the cream? Irish. Okay. It's honestly...

Does it make you want to take a flight? Yeah. I need a Guinness with this. I need to split the G. It's pretty good. That's pretty good. All right. All right.

Do you want you to post-Milone Oreo time? So if you're living in Indianapolis and you want to take a trip to Ireland, they got a flight now. It's no further than your local airline. So most important time of the show, these little freaks have gone even further than ever before. They have post-malone Oreos, which is unbelievable.

Post-Millan Oreos. And so they are... Unbelievable! Unbelievable! Wow! Posty, swirl, salted caramel and shortbread flavor cream. Shout out to Mike Golick Jr. Oh, Charles, I'm going to.

You want one? Here, come here. I'm pop a squat. Yeah. We can share. Let me try this. Well, yeah, yeah. This Chuck from McDonald's.

I know, Chuck McDonald's. What did I just say? Charles McDonald. Charles McDonald. From Yahoo. Read the founder. I know. I heard post Malone Oreo.

I decided my chair. Wait for us. We're going to do it all at once. Okay. Oh, it says post? Oh, that's just, that Oreo broke. Well, I did fly with these. What flavor is it?

No, dude, no. It's Post Mal and flavored. I don't want cigarettes. It tastes like cigarettes. Here the flavor. That would work. It tastes like cigarettes are touch in with it? Cigarettes and Bud Light.

Postis, Swirled, salted caramel and short red flavor cream. It definitely, so it smells extremely sweet. Well, you almost have to. Oh, it's pretty good. Oh, sorry. No, we've been saying, we talked about Saddam Hussein earlier. Oh, okay. You know what they have a picture of him about Elmos?

Can you imagine if he was like, we were too? That's not, my friend. No. I'll show you later, but I was playing cards to my friends, and my friend has a card set that is just terrorists from 9-11. Oh, yeah. On the phone of it. Yeah.

And I think the Joker card is Osama bin Laden. Oh, no, that's a real thing. No, the army gave him out because, and the war in Iraq, They did this in World War II, too. Players get cards. Can you identify them? They want people to be able to identify people, so they actually put high-value targets.

It got very serious. Yeah, high-value targets. Oh, you said that I'm saying. Right. More importantly, this is the plot of mercenaries, which was like one of the greatest Xbox games ever, was it was merchant. Yeah, Tucker's like that.

All right, I'm going to get you here. Oh, yeah. They're pretty good. They're pretty good. They're really, really sweet. You're really good. Your teeth are chattering now. Yeah.

See you guys. Thanks, dogs. Anyway, he just comes over and grabs a few cookies. You get your hands on those cards. These are really good. They're really good. This is top three Oreo I've ever had.

So the outer wafer kind of tastes a little different too, right? It's chocolate. Or is it the same as usual? Well, here, I guess split the, look at this. Honestly, this is really unappealing when I open it, but it's like,

it's kind of smushed together. Yeah. But it's pretty good. The salted caramel really hits you the hardest. It's actually quite salty, which I appreciate. If you're going to do salted caramel, You needed to be salty.

So here's my take. I think, talking about short bread in these flavors. This is also what Jenny's did with the Ted Lassau thing. And I think when there's a huge brand, they try to do. What did Jenny's do with Ted Lassau? The Biscuits. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't watch Ted Lasson.

So they do. We know he makes the biscuits. God damn it, Craig. He makes the biscuits in Ted Lassow. Oh, right. He gives it to the owner lady. And she's like, where they get it from? And he makes him.

Spoiler. And so. Oh, yeah, right. Is that the end of season one? You find out he's like, Yeah, he's making him for her the whole time and she feels bad. Anyway, they did the thing,

and it's really sugary. I think they saved these really sugary versions for when they have a huge one to make it. But having said, these are pretty fired. Well, I think that they're getting into the Ben and Jerry's of it because this is like what Ben and Jerry's does. Give it to a person.

These freaks. Like the Tonight dough. Yeah, that's my favorite flavor. Tonight dough's incredible. Because I used to be half baked, but now it's tonight dough. Well, yeah, and it used to be, it was late night snack

when he had late night found on him at a tonight show. to make a new pun. Yeah, these are good. I think this is like a 9-2. I don't think I get a word of it. I don't think I have one or two. Yeah, it's a lot.

I almost think with milk it would soften it in a really nice way. I think it'd be better with milk. It was pretty incredible. 8 out of 10. What do you think? Yeah, I'd give it a 7. I'd give it a 9-2.

I'm blown away. Maybe 7-5. Last email here, I'm just, last email and we can get out of here. Okay. We got an email from redacted. Redacted. Redacted.

Due to my work. My laptop on the Oreo. Due to my work. That's why I was so upset with you shutting my laptop. Due to my work, I would prefer to remain anonymous, but I may be able to help you with naming a street. I work for a rather large developer in the Pacific Northwest. One of the departments I come up with names are streets.

Sitz Pinkler Way. At this point, they use AI for Halfland because it's harder than you think. Basically, here are the parameters. Can we have this street called No Way? No Way. Might be something there. Kind of funny. It's probably there.

It's probably already happened. You do? Yeah. All right. Fonds. Honestly, that's something I would make. Like, that's a joke. I would make. Derogatory.

Okay. Right, right, right. That's fair. Shoot or shoot? Redacted says, while you're free to name streets as you please, there are some requirements. Cannot be offensive. Limited to 13 characters. Cannot already be used in the chairs. How many is Sitz-Spinkler? 11, I counted already.

Okay. But does it, if it sits Pinkler Street. Dot L.N? That would be 13 because it's ST. Oh, so you do count the street or the avenue? I don't. I assume he would have mentioned that because that would be like 11. Okay.

They cannot already be used in the jurisdiction you're applying for. And finally, and this is the hardest one. They cannot sound too similar to an existing street name, which is subjective and like per review, and also it's hard to pull up the list. But anyway, we can start brainstorming. Email us at ringerfancyfoolball at gmail.com. Wait, so what's the, do they just like, they get a request?

They can do whatever they want, as long as it satisfies those things. Okay. So you make up your own version of like lane or street or avenue where, for instance, Cloist box. Yeah. So emails or ringer fancy football at gmail. com with suggestions based on the history of our show,

we have people who listen in a long time, what we think the street name should be. Anybody can submit a name and they will accept it as long as it doesn't sound like a different name, it's not inappropriate? No, I think we're getting the white glove treatment here. I don't think you're allowed to just, like, submit stuff. I think this guy's just going to put one in for us.

What should we do? Or, you know. Sitz Pinkler is, I think Klois is like, I don't want to overthink it. Cloy's av is legendary. And it doesn't sound like, I don't think there's a Joyce in, you know, whatever county we're doing this in.

I think Cloyce could get through it. You can't go wrong with Sitz Pinkler. Sitzpinkler is so unique. Can you imagine? Right. And honestly nobody would... Sitz Pinkler way. Most people wouldn't.

No, they're just going to go some German street. Yeah. Sitz Pinkler's up there. That's top two. We need a third. We need to submit at least three. Sitz Plinkler,

Clois box. Wade Jones. Wade Jones. Yeah. Wade Jones. I think of people would get that. Yeah. Unfortunately, Jones Wade.

Gentleman's Piss Club cannot be incorporated. No. Too long. Too long. It doesn't work. Yeah. All right, emails.

This is so exciting. I know. It's pretty incredible. Oh, I have another surprise for you guys. Actually, I don't tell you right now. So, I think I mentioned on the show. No, did we mention on the show? So obviously, Voitech the bear, the Polish bear who got a medal in World War II.

We don't always say that. Smoking cigarettes. He smoked cigarettes and ate beer and they gave him a medal. The Polish are laughing. It was real. It really happened. They gave a bear a medal. He would eat lung darts.

Hey, that's a veteran you're laughing at. How dare you, sir? They find the bear in the Northeast. They adopted him. Yeah, they adopted him. Syrian bear, yeah. He's got him coffee and cigarettes. Coffee and six.

So, anyway, so they gave him metal. So his name's Voitech de Bear. I thought it was Wojtec, but I guess my Polish isn't that great. So it's Voitech the Bear. The Windy City Bowls, where the Chicago Bulls, G League team had a Polish Heritage Night, and they had a bobblehead with the Chicago Bowl and Voitech. Voitech is way more famous than we thought.

I think we kind of blew up. It's like Mike the Headless Chicken. Mike the Headless Chicken. He choked to death. I think that's the funniest moment in history of our show. He choked. He lived for, how many days did he live? Six months went ahead.

And then he choked him around the country and then he choked on a fucking colonel of corn. More specifically, he was murdered. He was murdered. He was an inside job. So anyway. Somebody was getting jealous. Airbud was getting a little jealous. So the Windy City Bulls.

A movie was greenlit for Mike Nedley's chicken and Airbud was like, I'm not happy. The Windy City Bulls had this bobblehead, and I put out a skeet on Blue Sky, saying, I'm literally begging anyone in Chicago, please, will anyone in Chicago acquire one of these bobbleheads for me? Shout out to Will, to Will, Willie, Bill, in the mail on the way. Nice. Hell yeah. I told him about Pitchieck. He's going to send us a bobblehead?

Bobblehead of Voieck to Bobblehead. If we're ever able to live in the same city again, our office will be so sick. Oh, my God. Because we have the Mike Douthous chicken shirt. Yeah, so many shirts, bobbleheads, weird knick-knacks, it's going to be the best. Oh, yeah. And yet we can't, still can't get a Orioles to even email us. They want to be emails.

Can't get a word. Anyone have Orioles. Just, little freaks, please, get in touch. They probably don't like the freaks. Begging Poppy to reach out. Begging. I'm begging you, Poppy. Your cherry cola flavor is the best thing I've ever had in my life.

Okay. It is. It's really good. All right. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you, Tucker. Thank you, Nick. Thank you.

Jake, thank you. Troy for filling in. I was going to call you FARC nasty, and I should probably just go, Troy. Whatever. Whatever. I was just like, thanks, fart nasty. I'm like, go with Troy. Thank you, Lorne. Sorry, you're tricking.

Warren. Thank you, buddy Holly. Nice. It's just like imagining who the Fons would be like. Yeah, buddy. Who is that the Fons? The Fons? The Fons?

the development? Is it bad? I can't tweet the photo of Saddam Hussein. Yes, we can't. Is that weird? Is that weird? I feel like it's fine. I'm going to get offended by that. What are you doing in Indianapolis? It's just a picture of Saddam Hussein. Right. I was going to say, we're not the crazy ones. They're the ones with the photo of Saddam

getting arrested at eye level, at the opening of the rest. It's right in the front. It's in the lobby. When we go tonight, I'll try to take a photo, we'll throw it on the ground. We have to. We have to. It's unbelievable. We should ask to the table. We should. We should ask. And oh my God, we should eat there, put it IG live. Yeah.

I'm just like, we'll go live from the Saddam table. All right, goodbye, everyone.