The Ringer NFL Show - Super Bowl Superlatives, Burn Book, and Commercials

Episode Date: February 9, 2021

We break down the historic day for Tom Brady, the historically bad game for the Chiefs, and give out our Super Bowl superlatives, including most Tom Brady moment, most memorable play, funniest commercial, and more. We also reveal the winner of our playoff daily fantasy football format. Tom Brady (3:20) Winners (15:48) Losers (30:50) Best/Worst Play of the Game (43:20) Super Bowl Burn Book (50:17) Most Tom Brady Thing That Happened (56:51) Most Memorable Play (59:23 Best/Worst Commercials (61:40) Fantasy Playoffs Results (69:29) Email us! [e-mail] Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

On today's episode of the Ringer Fantasy Football show, Everything Super Bowl. Tom Brady is apparently the Alexander the Great of football. I don't know. D.K. explains it. Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs were washed out to see. And Todd Bowles, Andy Reed's double cheeseburger. Don't think about it. Also, we rank our favorite commercials.

We judge the weekend. And also, shout out Left Shark, man. Wherever you are, we love you. Stick around. The Ringer Fantasy Football Show. I'm Danny Hyfitz here with Danny Kelly and Craig Horlebeck. But before we begin, we would love to get you guys. feedback. It's the first time we've done this show on this feed, and we want to know what we did

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My God. Seriously, please email us. Okay. Guys, there was a huge game yesterday. Surprisingly close, but... The big game. The big game, surprisingly close. Team Rough 17369 in the puppy bowl. Upset over Team Fluff. They hung in it.

Immediate reactions. Your advice about the betting angle on that was pretty horrific. How is I supposed to know that Marshall was going to be the MVP of the game. Well, apparently it was a big comeback. You know, Team Fluff was ahead early, but then Rough came from behind. Boston Terrier, Marshall, 15 weeks old, deaf, actually, and just ran away with the game. Did like a spinning, double spin into the end zone for the first score of the game.

Ran away with it. Unbelievable. It was more competitive than the actual Super Bowl. Right. You know, we were all excited about the Super Bowl, and we were also equally excited about the season ending. You know, it's been a long year. it's always nice to kind of take a breather. And luckily, the Bucks ended the game

a half early for us. That was really nice. Yeah, this is like the second half was so boring. I was actually talking to my friends about this. Is this what it was like to watch a Super Bowl like the Seahawks beatdown of the Broncos back in the day?

Because for me, that was amazing. And for Buccaneers fans, I'm sure the second half was just bliss. But for everyone else watching that game, I was just like, man, this game sucks. Like nothing is happening in the third fourth quarter. Honestly, it's like one watchable quarter. The second quarter is the only watchable quarter of that game.

So bad. And the second quarter was watchable because teams were making mistakes. Like I want to be clear, it wasn't fun as much as there were things to bitch about, which is a huge difference. Yeah. Yeah, there was a lot of penalties. There was at least, I think, two bucks touchdowns. There was stuff going on, interception, or almost interception. Okay, so let's just get to it.

Let's just rip the band it off. Tom Brady. Holy shit. Dude's a fucking legend, man. Seven Super Bowls. It's more than any team. I will never get over that. Five Super Bowl MVP's.

Like, again, five, yeah, as you said, five Super Bowl MVP, Joe Montana's next with four Super Bowls. The thing I can't get over is that football is a team sport. It is the ultimate team sport. And now Tom Brady is literally above every team,

every franchise in the NFL. I think that is the most, it breaks what we tell ourselves about football and what it is. It breaks everything about longevity. It breaks everything about individual accomplishments. It's insane. Like to hear what Bruce Ariens said, like a couple weeks ago,

he said basically that, when Tom walked in, that changed everything. And like, literally, you don't hear teams usually say, yeah, it's about the one guy, right? Usually praise put on one guy. And it's like, no, it's about everyone. And the buck's like, no, it's about Tom Brady. He's the reason. It was, in the way that he said it, too, was very interesting to me, like, people begun

to believe that they could do it. And I think that's so interesting from a professional sports point of view, like, some of these guys honestly still trying to figure out if they can believe, like, you know, get over that proverbial hump. I was actually talking to Kevin Clark about this today It reminds me a little bit And you know there's a couple different examples of this But it reminds me of Tiger Woods in his prime

Like the way he would just I mean he had beaten a good chunk of the field Before they even like Yes Start the tournament right Just because the intimidation factor Michael Jordan was the same way And my dad always tells me about Jack Nicholas

Who was his favorite athlete growing up apparently He Nicholas and his book said something along the lines of in fact I'll just quote it I always felt that the majors were the easiest because you the media had eliminated half the people for me so when you

get down to the end of the tournament there were 10 or 15 guys who had a chance to win a major instead of 40 guys who had a chance to win every week because the other 25 had eliminated themselves and I don't think necessarily Brady eliminated the chiefs in this game because I think the

chiefs I mean coming off the Super Bowl last year they're believers that wasn't a problem one, but like just looking at Brady's overall, you know, like career, his body of work, what he's done, I feel like this is something that kind of applies. Like he is, his intimidation factor is legit and it's real, especially in the playoffs. I think we're touching on the perfect thing here. I think that, like, I think Matt Stafford could have had the game Brady played yesterday. Like, I think Brady was fine. He didn't make any mistakes. Sure.

Like, he played a solid game. I really think that it was what he did for. for the team's culture. Like, there was that story about Jaden Mickens crying after the, after the, they won the championship game, and he's like,

why are you crying? Like, we haven't won the Super Bowl yet. Like, stay focused. Like, act like you've been here before. Yeah, like, you know, this team was 7 to 9 last year.

And, like, Bill made the whole argument that, like, these guys wanted so bad, and this is why he thought they were going to win. And Brady is, like, this beacon of, like, professionalism who, like,

comes in and is like, all right, I'm going to, like, lead you all down the correct path. Like, you all have the talent. I'm going to be the one who leads you there and it was this father figure that they could all get behind and I totally believe in that.

Yes, I totally believe in that. Like, I don't think Brady's play I think Brady's play was like 40% of why this team won the Super Bowl and I think it was who Brady is was the remaining. Yeah, it's like half man and half the idea. Yeah.

It's half about the on-field experience because again, we zoom out for a second and what really happened with this team I think the simplest way you could put it for an on-field perspective is this was a team with a really good defense that in 2019, James Winston had like 33

turnovers and 33 interceptions and then like another 15 fumbles and just Brady comes in throws more touchdowns but cuts the turnovers by literally cuts it by like 25 or 30 turnovers and then voila they make the playoffs and go on and win the Super Bowl but the off field impact is so

intangible, so immeasurable to go from a team that's used to thinking oh shit James turned it over again like up here we go again to Tom Brady like the intangible confidence of like that's Tom Brady's my teammate. Like I keep coming back to like you say with Jaden Mickens. The story to me was Devin White,

who's upset that he didn't make the pro bowler, the pro bowl. And Tom Brady's like, come on, D. Like, that's not the bowl we care about. And it's like, when you hear it from someone, it's like, whatever. Your dad tells you that, sure. Tom Brady tells you that as your teammate. You're like, oh, right, we all have the same goal. And it's wild.

Like, so much of that is true. It's not just the onfield stuff. It's literally the idea of Tom Brady's teammate kept them all focused on the same goal, which is harder than it sounds for an organization of 150 people in a pandemic. It's so dorky for me to make this comparison, but I'm going to do it because I'm a dad, and that's what dads do. But, like, it does kind of remind me a little bit of, like, historical, you know, leaders in history where they have this aura about them, where, like, the people following them believe. So, like, for instance, like, Alexander the Great, like, his armies were so indestructible in part because they saw him as, like, this dude who, like, you literally couldn't fucking kill this guy. Like he was leading these charges

He was doing all this crazy shit Alexander was and you couldn't fucking kill him Same deal with like Julius Caesar He had this reputation of being completely just fucking in like unkillable And so I think Brady's kind of the same way Where you know For whatever reason just inspires confidence

inspires like You know this spree decor or whatever Like among his teammates And so I just think it's fascinating The thing with Brady too is he has no peers That's what's crazy. It's like they cut to Brady as a touchdown pass

and then they cut to Peyton Manning who's like, congrats to make it in the Hall of Fame. You're like, holy shit, he's been retired for five years. Brady's made the Super Bowl four times since Peyton Manning retired, man.

Like, are you kidding me? He has three Super Bowls since he turned 39. He has more playoff wins than any other quarterbacks since turning 37 years old. Like he's basically, here's the thing.

The cool thing about Brady, and I think the point where Brady's kind of inarguably the goad is, and we're getting tired of the term, but whatever, who cares? He had two Hall of Fame careers, right? It was like he's a Hall of Famer from the beginning of his career, and then you could market wherever you want, basically the ACL tear.

If he had retired after the ACL tear in 08, he would have been a Hall of Fame, right? No question. Three Super Bowls, another fourth one, 18 in one season, Super Bowl, or Hall of Fame career. And then he's had another Hall of Fame career since then. The crazy thing now is, like, is he starting a third Hall of Fame career?

Because he just won with his Bucks team, home Super Bowl. Everyone on the teams pointed him like this guy is like literally like our God or deity. And then if you know what I mean, he's one, first of all, we're going to go through another season of hearing, wow, Tom Brady's going to try to go back to back for the first time since Tom Brady's Patriots went back to back 18 years ago. He's he's so close to having three Hall of Fame careers. I mean, he's lapping Joe Montana.

He's lapping Elway. He's lacking Peyton Manning. As your editor, Riley McAtee, D.K. pointed out. He's basically his career is more impressive than Peyton Manning and John or Peyton Manning and Joe Montana combined. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's just, you run out of things to say

because it's literally like never happened before. So, yeah, credit to him. Hats off to Brady. Riley actually said this and he tweeted this last night and I'm like, I totally agree with this. He's like, I'm done with the hate. I've had a lifelong hatred of him. You know, I'm just like, I'm in awe now.

I'm just going to soak this in and watch it and, you know, try and enjoy like the prime of one of the greatest athletes ever. I feel the same way. I was always reading against Brady my whole life. And you get to the point now where it's almost, you know you're never going to see it again, so you almost want to see it get as big and powerful as possible

because you know this will be what you're talking about for the next 50 years. So I didn't want Brady. I'm glad he doesn't have like five Super Bowls. I'm glad he has fucking seven. I hope he gets eight. Seven. The thing we've been kind of grappling with all month

is we're talking about how there's this weird phenomena psychologically where we, tell ourselves we root for the underdog, but we actually root for favorites to stomp underdogs. And I think that this is part of it, right? Because at the end of the day, you want to say that you were alive to witness greatness. You want to say you were there to witness football messiah

or whatever we're going to end up calling Brady. And every generation wants there Michael Jordan. And that's what we feel like we're watching. We're like, oh, not only is this happening, but everyone after this who comes after, we will tell that you have no fucking idea what you're talking about. This guy was crazy good. And we were there for it. It's just,

it's wild, honestly. And sneakly, I'm kind of stepping on winners here, but a tangential winner of this game is Eli Manning, because now he will be a first ballot Hall of Fame for beating Tom Brady in the Super Bowl twice. He's like, what are those fish that swim along underneath the giant sharks, you know? Remoras. How do you know that? That's how he's getting into the series. A lot of life of sharks and amoras.

The more you think about it, there's a lot of remoras in life. So yeah, you tease that we're going to get into winners, lose your superlatives for the game and stuff like that. I did want to just point out one thing. You were talking about Alexander the Great. Googled him because you just said, oh, he was like, seem as this like immortal being, you couldn't kill him.

Five feet tall, Alexander the Great. Well, people were shorter back then or no. The Romans were shorter. The Greeks are probably, I guess, were shorter.

Yeah, they were all shorter, but there's something weird about the fact that I'm sure most of the army was bigger than him. No, but Napoleon, like the Napoleon complex, he was tall for his era.

Like, he wasn't short by average. He was short compared us. Julius Caesar was 5-7. Also, how do we know this? Who knows? Let me see how tall Napoleon. It says the boy was 5'6. Alexander the Great was five feet tall.

Who was writing down their heights accurately, though? And also, how are we converting this? There's so many questions. Why wouldn't they lie? You know, like my high school football program, I said I was 6'5, 270 pounds or whatever. Like, if I was the ruler of Rome, I would also lie about my size.

You know, what's one of the weirdest things about height and weight is that you can put whatever you want in your driver's license. Isn't that weird? That is weird. You can say whatever the fuck you want. You just write it in. You have to sign the thing that says perjury or no? I didn't know that.

I'm going to do that next thing. And I'll tell you, this hair is how I know. Because you lied. Yes. When I was, I was really, I'm 6'2 now, but I was really small my freshman year high school, like alarmingly little. And so when I was getting my permit, my sophomore year, right? I was, what, 15 and a half, I was like 5.4, but I knew, or maybe this was when I was

getting my license. I was really short, but I knew that I'm going to have this license for a while, and I'm absolutely going to hit my growth from. My brother is 6'3. My dad's 60 tall. So I added like five inches. I said I was like 510. And they didn't even check?

No, they don't care. You do it? I added like 25 pounds too. Getting back to the Alexander slash Caesar comparisons, you know, both of those guys did end up dying in their prime. So I guess maybe that's not the greatest example. Well, they're warrior kings. I mean, that was going to happen. It's their version of retiring.

Are the Iads of March coming for Tom Brady? We'll find out. The aides of March he signed with the bucks in March and he was fine. I mean, says anyone had, again, not. to belabor the point, but we're going to belabor because it's Tom Brady. March 17, or March 18, that's my birthday, actually. March 18, he signs with the Bucks. There's two days spent because two days earlier he said he was leaving the Pats.

Let's just go through this for a second. He decides to leave the Patriots, which again, has basically not worked out for any great quarterback, really except Pate. Joe Montana is out there like doing radio interviews saying, hey, I wouldn't leave if I was Tom Brady. That's Tom Brady's childhood idol. He says, screw it. He leaves the Patriots, joins the Bucs.

not only does he join convinces Gronk to come, lobbies for them to get Antonio Brown and convinces Leonard Frenet to sign, those are the three dudes who scored the touchdowns in the game. Shout out to Peter King for pointing that one out. The thing's crazy. I wrote about that last night, High Fitz, too. Oh, yeah, shout out to you and Peter King.

Shout out to me and Peter King. If I set the line for how many more Super Bowls will Brady win at 0.5, what are you taking? Over. I'm done doubting him. That was in the back of my mind the whole time you were picking the cheese. I'm convinced he's going to play until he's like 50s. now. So he'll get a shot at like a few more. He said he'd be done at 45 and now he's he's going to be

43, right? He's going to be 44 this next season. Yeah, he is 43 right now. I mean, do you think he's, I'm pretty confident he's got two more seasons. I'm guessing at least two more three, at least three more seasons. Yeah. His birthday's August 3rd. I'm August 2nd. Look at us. And NorCal boys. We're pretty much the same person. It's absolutely insane. Okay. Should we talk about other people than Tom Brady? Yes. Let's get into some superlatives. All right. Biggest winner from this game, Tom Brady's number one. All right, do you guys have winners other than Tom Brady?

I want to go first because it's a little bit of a good segue because you'd mention the Fournette thing, the Gronk thing. I'm going to give one of the biggest winners to Jason Light, the GM of the Buccaneers, who let's just back up a little bit. Not only did he add those three guys that ended up being really crucial points, really crucial pieces to this championship team, scored touchdowns in the Super Bowl, but he built a roster. And a coaching staff,

well, I don't know if he built the coaching staff. He had a hand in the coaching staff. No, I think he hired Bruce Ariens. Right,

but I don't know how much Bruce Ariens then chose his coaching staff if that makes any sense. But whatever. Regardless, he put together a roster and a team

that was attractive enough for Brady to be like, okay, I'm going to come over to this team and win a Super Bowl with this team. You know, it's not like Brady

necessarily had his choice of any team, but, you know, I think he saw this roster and was like, I can come in and make this team a Super Bowl team.

People said this, when he signed. At the time, it sounded maybe like a little bit like a bridge too far because, you know, Brady's coming off of this down season. He's 43 years old, whatever. Gronk is the shell of his former self. He'd just spent a year partying and doing

WWE. All this stuff. Like, Fortnite was a washout, like total draft bus at this point. But all these guys came in and rallied around Brady. It was ugly at first, but they all kind of like came together,

started to get it on the same page later in the season and then really just turned into like a buzz saw late in the season. So yeah, credit to Jason Light, who in doing this, I feel like earned himself another probably 10 years on the job. And yeah, credit to him for not only building that roster, but then like finding these little pieces that would

complete the puzzle. No one would have thought Fortnite would be like this crucial piece of the puzzle. He's one of like only a few players ever in NFL history to have 400 plus yards and four touchdowns in the playoffs. And like seven out of the eight guys that have done that are in the Hall of Fame. And then there's Leonard Frenet and Hakeem Nix.

Shout out to Hakeem Nix. Let's fucking go. Yeah, man, D.K., he's talking about Jason Lice's ability to, like, recruit Tom Brady. I feel like the Bucks getting Brady was like getting Daniel D. Louis to act in your movie. Like, you got to really have every, all the stars got to align. You got to have the perfect script, best director. It's the perfect time in his life. It makes a ton of sense.

No, see, it's not Daniel Day, Louis. It's LeBron. That's really what happened here because it's like LeBron with the Lakers because apparently what happened was Brady came to the books. I thought you were saying it's like getting LeBron to act in your movie and I was like, I don't know. That would be pretty hard. I liked him in train wreck. I thought he was a little too earnest, but I like- No, I thought he was great. There's charisma there. Like he's better than you'd think for an, like a player. And he's obviously, and obviously he ages well. So you'd think he'd think he'd be better acting over time. Space Jam 2's coming. Oh my God, I cannot wait. I, we should do a whole podcast now at some point. I think that if I don't know the plot to the movie, I should just write a better movie because I know what it should be about it. You want my Space Jam 2? If you pitch real quick or should we?

Oh, we'll save it for another pod. We'll stand for another pod. We got a long off season ahead of us. Yeah, we got a long off season. Yeah, we gotta fill some. We have an actual football game to talk about. Yeah, right. So the Brady signing with the Bucks thing, I think it reminds me of when Kevin Durant was asked

about signing with the Knicks. And he basically said, the Knicks are not what's going on. Like, the Knicks are not what's cool. Like, you have to build something for us to come. Like, free agents don't want to just go into a barren wasteland like that. And he talked about signing with the Nets because the Nets had made the play. playoffs. Like they had players in pieces there. And that's what the Bucks had, right? Like Brady walks in. He's like, holy shit, these receivers are amazing. This defense is great. I can do something here.

It's not just putting your stamp on something. So yeah, I think Jason Light built an amazing team. And also, he had a weird start to his tenure as a GM there. He drafted Roberto Aguayo as a kicker in like 2013 or whatever. Yeah. He's washed out of the league. Like, it's unbelievable. And then now he, but they stuck with him. Yeah, I mean, he's definitely got some, he's got some misses on his record. And that's why he bought himself a few more years. in the job because I feel like coming into the year before they did all this like, you know, signing Brady and all this

big stuff, like people were like, is this guy, like they'd been cycling through coaches. Like, you know what I mean? It wasn't like it's smooth sailing for Tampa Bay. Yeah. And in the NFL. Like the bucks or sorry, the Browns, the lions, those are the teams that get all these you know, we know are bad, the Jets.

Here's the stat that blows my mind. There's so many. Tom Brady has, I forget the exact number. It's basically his like 268 wins in his career. The Bucks as a franchise have like 288. The Bucks were established before Tom Brady was born. And they have 20 more wins. It's fucking insane.

Oh my gosh. Was it, was it correct that like they hadn't had, they hadn't been to the playoffs in 13 years? I don't know. I didn't double-checked. Yeah, it was like a huge drought. Yeah.

Because the Browns drought overshadowed that the Bucks hadn't been there. Yeah. Oh, that's right. So, okay. So Tom Brady's a winner. Jason lights a winner. Who else? Who else are the winners from this game? We've got to talk about Todd Bowles. I mean, yes. Yeah. I've never seen the Chiefs look worse, and Mahomes was pressured on over 50% of his dropbacks,

and they just completely dominated them through four straight quarters and shouts out Todd Bowles for doing a fantastic job. Yeah, I think the Jets head coach and just the general Jetsiness made people forget Todd Bulls was an amazing defensive coordinator. To your point, again, can't say this enough. The Chief didn't score touchdown. Yep. I mean, holy crap. I don't know what's. the prop bet odds with that, but there's always like first touchdown score, and then there's the no touchdown option, which I've looked at for 10 Super Bowls in a row. I've never once done it.

But I, you mentioned the pressure stat. The crazy juxtaposition here is that Brady was pressured fewer than any of his 10 Super Bowl appearances. And Mahomes was pressured, I think, the most in any Super Bowl ever.

And of the 29 pressures, he was pressured, 27 of the 29, were four-man rushes. Yeah. 27 pressures of the four-man rush which they tried,

I think Eastpan stats had infotracted. Basically, it was the second best game for the four-man rush in 10 years. Well, that's how you beat the Buccaneers,

I guess, or that's how you beat the chiefs, yeah. That might be how you beat anybody. I mean, if you can have four guys to,

like, create that kind of pressure, that besides a quarterback, maybe that's, like, the most important thing to have on your team. I mean, it's probably hard to get to a Super Bowl,

obviously, but if you can get there have that line, you're set. And it wasn't just coming off the edges either. It was like coming from every direction. There was a scatter chart that we were passing around last night where, you know, showed where Mahomes was throwing his passes from. Dude, the guy had to, like, escape the pocket on, like, every other play.

It was, like, maybe, like, three quarters of his passes. He had to, like, bail the pocket almost immediately because pressure was coming right up the gut. I wanted to ask you about that, D.K. I thought they turned Mahomes into Russell Wilson, circa 2017, in that there was this two or three-year period where the Seahawks line was so bad and also Russell's short,

that he just started running around in this backfield on third and ten and just started making shit. And that was what Mahomes did in this game. There was this crazy stat from next-gen stats who's been tracking, they literally have chips on the players' pads, and they track every step they take. And they've been doing it for five, four years. And Mahomes ran while scrambling

497 yards while scrambling from past rushes in this game which is the most they've ever tracked for any quarterback ever Which is fucking bonkers Almost 500 yards

Of running from defenders I mean think about running 500 yards Like he was tired He also has turf toe Or whatever we renamed it And he was limping a little bit Waddling around yeah Imagine running five football field lengths

Doesn't help your turf toe No he's like constantly looking over his shirt toe shoulder. He couldn't spend any time looking at his receivers if they were open because he's like constantly seeing which D. End is going to drill him. Yeah. I mean, that was absolutely nuts. And I think it's funny how this works, right? Because the Brady, again, the crazy thing about the Brady thing. And the reason I think it reminds me of LeBron picking a good situation and getting Anthony Davis is that the key to beating Brady for whatever was the four-man

rush. And Kevin Clark always talks about this. It's kind of like a silly thing to say because you can beat any team with a four-man rush. It's like if you can beat four defensive linemen consistently beat five offensive linemen, you're going to win the game because that's how math works. But that Brady was seen as so good, that's the only way to beat him. And that's how the Giants beat him twice. Here's the thing. This Super Bowl is Brady in like a W.W.E. thing teaming up with the four-man rush. Brady went out and found a four-man rush and now won a Super Bowl with it. And it's kind of like the super, it's like, I don't know enough about comic books, but it's like a crazy kind of team up in that how the hell are you supposed to stop this?

Like Brady is. The craziest crossover event of the summer? fucking crazy. That really is what it is. Yeah, we got honorable mentions here for winners. Yeah, we got a lot honorable mentions. Rattle off a few of them, hyphids. I want to shut out Byron Leftwich for just, this was the most play action the books used all year

and their offense looked better than it really did, except for that weird lines game. The NFL show feed's going to have Warren Sharp on it on Wednesday, and you just know this dude's going to talk about play action of the books. He's just going to flip out over it. His heartstrings must be so torn because in one hand they ran on first down a lot.

The other hand, they used play action. It's like they'd half-loat. listen to him and half completely ignored him. Well, it worked. I also want to shout to Antoine Winfield, the Buck Safety, who gave Tyree Kill the P-Sign off. Throne up the deuses.

Not a fucking penalty. What are we doing? Well, he got in his face. That's what, if he had walked away while doing it? He didn't even touch him. Like, what are we doing? It's football.

He put up a P-Sign in his helmet. So you want to change the rule. You want to change the rule is what you're saying. I just think it's insane. Guys, like, Mike Evans and Marshawn Latimore like fight each other every time they run around. There's like no penalties on 90%. of those plays, but he puts a peace sign up.

That's ridiculous. He said peace. He was saying peace. It's so stupid. Do you even know what that means, Mr. Rapp? Winner, the Buck's defensive line, I mean, again, we mentioned that, but I just have to shout out. This is an unbelievable group of guys. Shack Barrett, free agent,

going to make a shitload of money. He led the league at Sacks 2019, and then he's going to be a free agent now. But Jason Pierre Paul, after, I mean, literally blowing off one and a half fingers by holding a firework on 4th of July five years ago. Getting to a car crash that broke his neck

that he said was way worse than losing a finger. Like way worse recovery. Comes back and is now 8-0 in the playoffs. Two playoff trips, two Super Bowls. Wow. Not bad. That's pretty good. Good for JPP. Happy for him.

Another winner, the city of Tampa Bay. It's now Champa Bay. It's pretty good. Probably one of the weirdest cities to have like just a dollar. dominant year. Like, I can't think of another right. Like, normally it's Boston or New York or some shit.

It's like Tampa Bay. And I think it's, I think people from Tampa would probably be pissed because the city is actually called Tampa, isn't it? It's not even Tampa Bay. No, this is a huge thing. There's Tampa Bay and there's Tampa and it's a whole. Oh, I didn't know that. I'm not aware of the, I'm not aware of like, yeah, the particulars of it. We definitely do need to get a hold of the

Clark on this. But think about the two title cities right now. You've got L.A. who had the Dodgers win and the Lakers win. And you got Tampa Bay. who won the Stanley Cup, the Super Bowl, and was like a Blake Snell sub in the World Series from winning the World Series, too. That's insane. Dizarre. Only in 2020.

Quick shout out Lenny Fornes, you know? Big contract coming for him, hopefully. Big Lenny Fornes. I will say, so Highfitz, before we were talking about Forren's last show, he asked me just like straight up, like, is Leonard Fredet good? Like, just tell me, straight up, is he good? And I was like, he's fine. He's a, he's decent.

He's there. he looked good in this game I will say that like he looked fast he looked elusive he fucking trucked a couple guys there was a one of his most famous

runs in college was literally like he pointed to a guy like 10 yards down the field and was like I'm gonna fucking run you over and then they ran each other he ran him over and he did something very similar to that in this game

where it's like don't try to go around the guy I'm gonna go through him I'm going to annihilate this guy maybe maybe Lenny needs like the spotlight to really succeed. Maybe he hated being on We have to get Letty on this podcast.

We absolutely have to do it. We were huge friends way before this moment. The other thing I want to say about Lenny real quick before we move on is he had a that championship, the NFC championship game run that he had against the Packers where he did like a, he leaped over a guy, spun move back to the inside, went down,

like twirled into the end zone. According to an NFL next gen stats, that had a 0.4% chance of being a touchdown based on like where the defense was and where the run started. His touchdown run, it wasn't as impressive, like, just looking. But NextGen stats had that one at 0.9% based on kind of like how the defense, like, came down to line.

And he, like, bounced it. So, like, it was a good run, too. So he had two of these, like, amazing runs in the Super Bowl. Like, I can't, I can't say it enough. Like, he had more than just, like, some rotational backup running back playoffs. Like, his playoffs were fucking legit. Snickly, he was, like, really the key to the buck. offense. That's a crazy thing to say, but the reality is that

Roma pointed this out that, I mean, he had four catches for 46 yards, but that he was the key to the bucks figuring out what the chiefs did on defense because basically they were doing this weird stuff where the safeties would turn their back at the play and they were close to the line scrimmage and then they'd run back. Whenever they did that, they just checked it down. It took, you know, eight chunk yards. And that was huge because the chiefs couldn't really try to fool Brady as much. The other, I have to shout out another bucks running back though is LaShawn McCoy, who was on the chiefs last year.

inactive for the game won a Super Bowl now on the bucks this year inactive for the game wins another Super Bowl is this better than being the backup quarterback

back to back Super Bowls didn't fucking play wasn't on the roster I don't even know if he was dressed wins too that's really the dream job right there

I you gotta auction off those rings right sell those you don't need them you don't need them you don't even you're not gonna remember those games oh my God

all right anything else no biggest losers yeah unfortunately Patrick Mahomes yeah sure I mean

holy shit I mean it's bad it was I would say it's not his fault that this happened because the line was their best player but it's a bad time

to have like your worst game it's the worst game of his life Roger Sherman our colleague shouted this out that I mean I don't think he ever scored he didn't score single digits

in the NFL he didn't score single digits in college and Roger Sherman basically couldn't find that he scored single digits in high school it's the worst guy of his life

if Mahomes scored single digits in high school. I think the lowest he scored in high school was like 29 points. But again, he played well. He had some incredible play. He was under siege. He ran 497 yards of just running from defenders. That's taking the L.

Most impressive incomplete passes I've ever seen. I'll get to those. I got those on my list. We're going to talk about those. Yeah, we'll get to those. Let's not step on those. But I do also want to say the go talk is over. Like, that's really why he's a loser.

Like, it's over. For now. No, it's over. No. I think it's probably true, Hyphitz, but people's memories are pretty short. It doesn't matter.

We'll talk about it. It doesn't matter. Because think about if the gap between LeBron and Jordan was seven to one. Think about how hard it will be for Patrick Mahomes to get, he has to win six more Super Bowls.

Mind you he's 25, he's already getting hurt. Second of all, even if he somehow gets to seven, he's still fucking lost to Tom Brady got steamrolled in the one game he played to Tom Yeah, but what if he wins 10 Super Bowls?

He's not going to because we just talked about how insane what Tom Brady just did. It's like Dan Marino was the Mahomes of his arrow. We have seen him a Mahomes before. Dan Marino made, I think, Super Bowls in his first two years or whatever and then never made it back. He never even won one. Like the idea that Matt Mahomes even makes three more Super Bowls is just some inevitable thing.

It is so hard to get to a Super Bowl. The goat thing is over at least among active players. Absolutely. I don't know. I think Mahomes could win like six. MVP's and even if he wins like three or fours. No one cares about MVP's. It's ring talk. If Michael Jordan beat LeBron in the finals, not beat his ass like a sweep because that's what we just saw. You think LeBron could be the goat? Absolutely not. You know what this discussion? I can already see this discussion in like 15 years. It's going to be Brady's the greatest of all time. Mahomes is the most talented of all time. Yes. Yes. That's fair. And that's that that that that is probably true. He is more talent. But guess what? Forty three year old Tom Brady just wrecked Mahom the chief with 12.

25-year-old Patrick Roehm's. I mean, Brady didn't, but yeah. I understand that, but I understand that. Look, if the teams were switched, Mahomes is probably going to win the game too. I'm just saying that that's how these conversations go. And you're kind of, at some point, the wins actually do matter.

It's like the most reductive argument. And then you go through the nuance, and then you come out at the end of the nuance forest, and you're like, actually, it's about the wins all over again. Yeah. Okay. Other losers here, the Chiefs Offensive line, I feel like they're going to be blamed about this for,

for all time. Putting a tough spot. but did not perform. Tough. No, certainly not. Also, Eric B. Enemy? Not the hottest game plan. This one, I'm kind of like, I struggle with this one a little bit because on one hand, it's like, yeah, you knew this was going to be an issue,

and you had no answers for it. But on the other hand, like, it's pretty fucking hard to, like, make a game plan if they're just getting pressure every fucking snap with four guys. Well, like, how about you make an adjustment? I don't know. They scored zero touchdowns. four of the, Aaron shots tweeted this, four of the Chiefs offensive linemen from the Super Bowl started in week 12 when they played Tampa Bay.

Obviously, Eric Fisher was the other guy, was the fifth guy, but like, I don't know. Did Mahomes' fiancee tweet something along the lines of, my husband can't throw a pass and catch a touchdown on the same play? Like, whatever it is. He almost did that the last time they played the bucks when, you know. He straight up all over did that

because he screwed up. Whatever, Giselle said a few years ago. Gislele blamed West Welker. Yeah. Although honestly, Brady, that was a bad pass. Mahomes should have had two touchdown. I'm just going to say that. His players fucking drop two touchdowns. The real reason the Chiefs lost

is because of Patrick Mahomes' brother Jackson Mahomes' his awful TikTok presence. It's really bad. It's really bad. The worst TikToks. I feel bad for the... You know that we gotta do that

Aaron Boone mic drop when he's like, I feel bad for he's going out of the... That's how I feel about Jackson Mahomes who's just doing these TikTok. He's like up in the box in the booth like doing dances and it's just...

Part of he's like, hey, you know what? He should do him. He should be his own person. and do it. And the other part of me was like, dude, it's because of your brother, man. Like, I don't know how to tell you. It's because of your brother. Like, no one's ever going to look at you

through the lens of anything other than you're Patrick Mahomes's brother. I have absolutely no clue what you guys are talking about. Look up Jackson Mahomes. I'm going to look this up. There's a company called TikTok, and when your son is an adult, he will pay taxes to this company, and they will own all of his data.

And that's, that's what we're talking about. Okay. Other, I don't think Bianam is a loser at all. But Bianami, I mean, look, Andy Reid gets the credit for this offense. He should also take the blame. I think Andy Reid, here's my issue with Andy Reid, the fucking timeouts. The clock management stuff was dead.

Andy Reid's reputation as a clock manager was like it was over. Like he won the Super Bowl. Everyone got over at the fourth down call two weeks ago. Those timeouts before the first half ended were straight up like, I try not to use the word dumb or stupid. Like Andy Reid literally has forgotten more about football probably this year than I will ever know. He's not dumb. He's not stupid.

it. However, if in the same situation someone had done that to me in Madden, I would have fucking laughed my ass off and called them very bad names. Like, that was the dumbest shit. There was actually a moment with the camera pans and it gets to remind people the situation. The Bucks got the ball back with like 50 seconds.

It's 14. The Bucks have 14. Chiefs have six points. The Bucks get the ball back like 50 seconds, one time out. They run the ball and don't gain any yards. That's it. It's second and 10. They're going to let it expire.

They're going to go. They're happy to go to half time out. Reed calls a time out. And Brady looks confused. Brady's like, oh, they're going to let us do this. They run a screen to Godwin. Get eight yards.

Third and two. And at that point, they call another time out. And then the buck's like, fuck it. We're going for it. And they got a touchdown out of it. We've seen this fucking movie before.

It happened two weeks ago. How did this happen? How on earth would you be like, hey, they have time. The chiefs were getting the ball to start the second half. How they didn't look. at this as, hey, we had a terrible

half. We're still only down eight points. Tom Brady's over there. They're not trying to score. Thank God. They're not even trying to get in field goal range. That's good. And they're like, look at the ball. We'll get it. We've got a two point play. We'll go. We'll go down, get a touchdown two point tied at 14 and we'll win the game. Yeah, it was extremely wishful, desperate thinking. I think he was really

greedy and just like, maybe we could squeeze out some points. Yeah. It was so greedy. Anyway, anyway, that's loser. That's loser. Yeah, and along the same lines, talking about that. same drive. The refs had a rough night. High Fitz, I think you're the only one that kind of like doesn't think this, but

everyone else I've seen is like the reffing was atrocious. Like it was incredibly slanted against the chiefs, especially in the first court, in the first half. I mean, we got like former referees, you know, coming out on Twitter and talking about how like this is atrocious. Like, this is not

how these games had been officiated the last couple of weeks. Like there's no consistency. It's a major problem. Now, the Chiefs did shoot themselves in the foot on a couple of them, like lining up in the neutral zone, all that stuff. That is, that's legitimate, but like the pass interference

penalty, that, um, the second one, not the one on Mike Evans, but the second one, that one was terrible. The past was like uncatchable anyway. Like, there was just so many plays where the refs had these little tickey tack things and they called it, whereas like in the NFC championship game, it was just let them play.

Do you know anyone who wants, the referees to call a tight game. From a fan point of view. Like, just let them play. No one wants to fucking see you referees talking. How about this? How about this? Not even from a fan point of view. What about just like players, coaches? Do you think they want tight games?

Dude, the referees don't even want the referees to be the story after the game. It's so bizarre. To me, it's just like, man, let them play. Like, if something egregious happens, fine. But, I don't know. The two PI's were rough. were just really bad in this game and I think that really did swing the game

in the Buccaneers' favor. The irony here is that this was remarkably it actually was the best season of refereeing I can remember in a really long time because they really shifted the emphasis to, we're only calling shit that affects the play. They basically were like, oh, holding on the other side of the field. There's no fans.

I feel like they were probably less influenced by a spike. I don't think so. So the guy who runs that crew, it's Carl Schaffers, I don't know pronounce his name. His crew, which is not the same as this game, but his crew in the regular season called the most penalties per game in the regular season. So what's kind of par for the course? Why did they have this guy do the Super Bowl?

I have no idea. I have no idea. That's a bad decision. But that's the worst call, right? He's having the guy who did the most penalties to the Super Bowl. But the thing, here's my thing with the penalties. Yes, they absolutely called the game tighter than the championship games were called. The playoffs are called.

It's like this was tighter than the regular season. It's supposed to be the opposite. The players will lose in the regular season. Having said that, I don't give a fuck, man. I don't care about any. of this. Like, the Chiefs were fucking outplayed in every facet of the game.

And I mean that literally. And they also made mistakes that were just stupid. Not like bad luck. Just mental mistakes, which is unforgivable when you have two weeks leading in the Super Bowl. The stepping here on like the biggest mistake of the game or the worst

play of the game, to me, Miko Hardman lining up off sides on a field goal attempt on fourth and five. Yeah. Without, like, I'm being serious. That's like some high school football shit. Even in college, you don't see. He was, it wasn't even close. He was like a full yard off sides.

Gave them a first down. They scored a touchdown in the next play. That shit that doesn't happen in the NFL. That's not how it works. So I don't want to hear about the refereeing when you're doing that. I don't want to hear about the refereeing. When your punter punts a 29-yarder, a 27-yarder, and drops a fucking snap in like a five-minute period. That's your special teams.

I don't want to hear about penalties. And then you've got Bashad Breeland one-on-one with Mike Evans and bump and run. Sorry there was PI. Don't do that. Yeah, but you're also not answering D.K.'s question. Like, did you think the calls were good? So I think half, I think the, I don't think there were as many questionable ones as other. People were bitching about the Mike Evans one. He fucking tripped him. That was fine. Yeah, but the ball was uncatchable. I think the ball was uncatchable. Not the Mike Evans one. The other one, the other PI, honestly, I don't remember it. Well, that one, that one, that one was in the end zone. That one is a terrible call.

Yeah, that was atrocious. You think uncatchable, something like that, that should be reviewable because if it's like in the fucking stands that actually is like a black and white thing but we don't have to get into that. That's a terrible call. I agree that the peace sign thing, it's a little who knows. Ridiculous. But I don't think that I just, I saw them make too many mistakes to feel bad for them, put it that way.

I think that's true. And when you really sum it up, like You're right. I mean the bucks won the game. We have no problem with that. Yeah. At the end of the day, the Chiefs they did just about everything that they could do wrong they did in this game. It was a game from hell. Oh, and we are leaving on the biggest

penalty is the defensive hold. Penalties drops, bad special teams, uh, and just like everything, it all compounded together. Yeah. How about the interception they had? That's the thing. It would be, I'm not, I'm not saying it wasn't a bad call.

Actually, that was the worst call probably. It was the defensive holding. And I'll admit, that was a huge play. But here's where I come in. Yes, that sucked. However, on that same drive, that ended up being the one with the field goal, right? Like, that

ended up being the one that turned into a field goal that turned into a touchdown because of pounties. That sucked. However, the chiefs didn't, as the game went on, the pounties got less and less important in my mind because the chiefs didn't show, did they have two drives? We were like, oh, well, if they had the, if the calls had gone the other way, they would have done something with the opportunity. No, they wouldn't have.

They sucked. And therefore, it just doesn't matter to me, honestly. Yeah, I mean, I'm with you. Yeah, I'm not, yeah, I'm definitely not in the camp that would say that the Buccaneers didn't win that. Like, you know what I mean? The Buccaneers won that game. They handled that game.

They dominated it. I think you're saying the Bucks didn't win that game. They didn't deserve to win the rest jobs and they wanted Brady to win. Is that what you're saying? No. All right. All right. Let's move on to the best play of the night.

What did you guys think? Well, what's funny? Because we have best play and worst play, and I think there's kind of one that is both. I had one, I had two plays that fit into both categories. Best slash worst. And that would be the two incredibly absurdly awesome. the home's escapes and touchdown passes that doinked off as receiver's faces. Two of them hit off the face mask.

Granted, I know that they were not like easy catches. I'm aware of that. Like, I get it. For all you people that are like mad at me about, you know, saying that these were drops, whatever, they were fucking drops. They hit them in the face. Absolutely fucking drops. One of them was the...

Regardless, like... One of them is tips. Here's the thing. Like, if they had caught those passes, you're talking about two of legitimate. the greatest Super Bowl plays ever. I completely agree. Hyvitz is a great tweet, too. Check out a tweet of Mahomes,

literally horizontal with the ball stone. He's levitating. The photos of this throw, specifically it's the one where he, it's unbelievable. He rolls left and then he has to roll all the way right. He's running and Sue catches him from behind. And he's,

he is literally parallel with the ground in the middle of it. It is like Avatar last airbender. It's like the assassins and wanted. Honestly, he looks like Iron Man. It looks like he's flying like Tony fucking star. If the rock jumped out of a skyscraper and, like, through a football, it would be Patrick Mahomes. It looks like, honestly, it looks like a really stupid sports movie.

It's the craziest thing I've ever seen. Right. Yeah. Look, CGIed. It's so hard to not be hyperbolic, like, the day after a game. But you're right. Like, that hit, not only did get the pass off, it went 30 yards on a rope into Dorel Williams' fucking facemax. It literally hit him through the eyes.

If it was a sniper shot, it would have been a headshot. It was fucking insane. it would have straight up been the best play I think I've ever seen on a football field at any level, including college or high school. The one to Tyreek was pretty damn impressive too. Like it would have been incredible. He like escaped to the right, went back to the left,

whipped it up like across his body. Yeah. And it hit Tyreek. It went straight through his hands and hit him in the face. Through his hands. And at first I thought it was tipped. It was not tipped. It hit him.

It was tipped by Tyreek Hill's own hands. It was tipped by Tyree kills. He doesn't have great hands on it. He's fat. but he's not the Andre Hopkins. No, his hands are pretty questionable. So, like, looking at this game, if you're a Chiefs fan,

the what-ifs or, you know, they're just like, man, if these one or two plays that happened differently, that's just going to be really brutal to think about forever because literally if those two plays get completed,

we're talking about a different game. Yeah. The deep one to Pringle, it was Pringle, right, in the corner of the end zone? Oh my God, yeah. Or was it wrong? The one that hit the pylon and wasn't quite there,

but that one was also fucking nuts. That might, might have been the best throw I've ever seen a human mate. He was like 20 yards behind the line of scrimmage, like wasn't even looking and chucked the ball perfectly to the corner of the end zone. Dude, he did like a spin. Yeah, and the way the camera, yeah, he spun and then through it. And then the way the camera angles worked, it looked like Pringle caught it.

Oh, I don't know. It did look like, I remember what I was talking about. Like a one-handed diving grab. Yeah, yeah. That was nuts. He was in the art. Like, I have to be fair for a moment. I will say, if Josh Allen had done that, I would have thought it was dumb.

And Josh Allen did. that like his first preseason game like something very similar. The difference is it was that close to being caught. Like Mahomes was like, you know, 18 inches off from that being a catch, which is in, seriously, the three incompletions are straight up, I think three of the best incompletions I've ever seen. Two of them hit the guy in the fucking case. I can't get over it. I'm never going to get over this.

From 30 and 40 yards away respectively. Yeah, also like, what's up? Everyone in the chiefs of the drops. I mean, it used to be the bucks. Kelsey's dropping balls. Tyreek, it's bad. Kelsey was invisible. His stat lines very deceiving. Holo stat line.

The crazy thing about Kelsey is that he looked rattled early. I don't know why. But something about the way Romo made a good point about the way Levanti David for the Bucks, who's super underrated linebacker was playing him. Basically that Travis Kelsey does what Gronk does. He runs right at you. Basically bumps you and then makes his route

and it's fucking impossible to cover him. So what happens is defensive backs who are smaller, like take a step back to kind of like absorbed the blow. Levante David didn't give a fuck. He was like a brick wall. He just fucking hit Kelsey and bumped him and then ran with him. And he knocked Kelsey on his,

not on his ass, but he knocked him back. And Kelsey seemed unable to respond. David was like undercutting all of his routes. There were so many plays where he was like getting a hand in to the passing lane. You know what I mean? And just like playing sticky coverage.

David, to me, David is one of the most underrated players, you know, maybe ever. Just because like he's been so good for his whole career, multiple all pros. nobody ever really talks about him.

It's kind of strange. It's probably just because he's in Tampa Bay or whatever, and now maybe that will change, but yeah, he's just been an awesome player. It was a crazy stat. Levante David, I think I said this on a pot. I don't care,

I'll say it again. He doesn't get too much press. Guys with 1,000 tackles, I think it's 20 picks and 10, or sorry, 20 tackles for loss and 10 interceptions in their first eight seasons. It's just Ray Lewis and Devanti and Levante David. Yeah.

And he's just, no one's ever heard of him. Yep. Anyways. He's just really good. All right, there's the mishmash of like winners and like the winners and losers. Oh, sorry, that was best and worst plays. Any of the worst plays here? I don't know.

Every chief's third down. Every time Mahomes is like sprinting backwards before throwing the ball. Dude, it really is wild. It's kind of like if you didn't know anything about football and you watch the third downs, you would assume that some part of football is you have to like run like 20 yards back and then move forward. like you're not allowed to just go forward immediately. Yeah, if you're an alien coming down and you're like, what the hell is this? I'll say before we go back to, before we move on, one of the best plays, the Gronk TD was really fun, the first touchdown.

Yeah. Where he ran like, he did like a basically like a switch release thing where, or not switch release, but he ran behind the offensive line at the snap from right to left. They did a RPO with Brady kind of like deciding whether to hand it off to the right. and then when they saw kind of what the defense did, they passed it to Gronk on the left, and then he scored. It was just like a cool play. Obviously,

Gronk had a huge game, a couple touchdowns. It looked like his younger, more sprightly self. So that was a big game for him. I just like to play design on that one. Yeah, that was really cool.

Should we do a little Super Bowl burn book? Sure. You guys want to burn someone? D.K. I mean, Hardman, rough, outing.

Absolutely. It's to the point where, like, you know, he had a lot of hype coming in because obviously the speed is there, the big play potential is there, and I kind of have bought into that multiple times over his career,

but it's like beginning to wonder, it's making me begin to wonder if he's ever going to be a thing. Yeah, it's kind of like Mike Williams. I feel like every year I'm like, Mike Williams is finally going to be good, and he kind of just never is. Yeah.

I actually think Mikul Hardman is a super, like, going to be a really underrated player next year because the profile of whether he was a worthwhile fantasy player this season was always like, will he be ready in 2020? he's 22 he turns 23 in March still got a time The problem to me is mental

And I don't mean that like I just mean that like he's not ready yet Like the reality is like again Being off sides on that special team's plays You're just not paying attention That's a problem The other problem is he's not in tune with the offense There are two plays

I think they're both in the first quarter Maybe one was in the second Where Mahomes basically had a hot route Like he's under pressure Hardman's open I mean by Mahom's standards And Mahom just whips a pass That should be right in his bread

In Mahal Arden's bread basket he's just not looking yet. And that's not, I mean, that's just him not really understanding, that's not him seeing the forest for the trees. If Mahomes is under pressure, I'm open,

like look for the ball. And that happened twice. Like, he could have 80 yards on those two plays. He had to finish with like three. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know,

I honestly don't know what his responsibility was on that first play that you're talking about where basically what he did was an end around, he ran up the sideline. And pressure came

and Mahomes tried to whip it to him. And Hardman was just still running. You didn't even look for the ball. I don't know what his assignment is, but I think what you can say in general with young receivers is a lot of the times these routes are called site adjustments

where you have to look at what the defense is doing and adjust your route based on what the defense is doing. I'm not 100% sure that's what happened on this play, but in general, that's why you see a lot of these guys where the quarterback is throwing it to a spot and the receiver just keeps going. It's because they didn't get the site adjustment. You have to do that. It's not

communicated. either. It's just the receiver and the quarterback have to both see it and adjust. So that's kind of one of the intricacies of playing receiver that maybe most people don't realize is like those side adjustments happen on like every fucking play. So it's like

it's very complicated. It's not just like an easy thing to go run a route. You know who got better at that throughout the season? The bucks. Yeah, exactly. The bucks were not good at that in week one. And then for the Super Bowl they're all in the same page. Yeah. We talked about that all year. I mean there's just like five plays a game it felt

like where Brady's throwing it to a place and no one's there because like the receiver's just not on the same page with them. In the end of this game they figured it all out. They were really peaking. All right. So me Cole Hardman's in the burn book. It's a little harsh, but it happens.

Okay. I got to burn the audio producers for this weekend halftime show. Craig, I need a secret expertise here. I heard the opening of this and I was just confused. Like, I thought that not having people in the crowd would make it easier,

but it sounded off. And I don't know dick about like how music is supposed to sound. But if I notice it, that's a huge problem. What was the deal? First of all, I don't know what the actual deal was.

What the fuck knows? You're a producer podcast. You know more than I do about audio. Right, because the producing a podcast is similar to the fucking Super Bowl halftime show. Sorry, I believe in you. Maybe I don't believe in you anymore. Now, listen, I agree.

I mean, I just think it sounded quiet. sounded like the levels were off. Like whoever mixed it, they weren't, the weekend's voice with the background vocals with the instruments, they were not mixed properly.

But here's the thing. And I say this with great kindness and reverence for the people who do the thankless work of working, you know, the weekend is one person and there's like literally

200 people behind him to make that show go on you've never heard of. However, how is the audio off at the Super Bowl halftime show? How is that possible? I feel like it's always a problem.

I think it's really hard to one, I put on a concert like that on TV at a halftime show you got to roll everything out in between a football game and then roll it back out 30 minutes later

honestly half the time SNL performances don't sound good we got a long way to go that's a good point as an industry okay there's a lot of things that can go wrong

my burn book inductee is whoever designed the weekend's box of mirrors thing that whole oh really light chaos mirror box that was a bit much didn't love that

him like trying frantically trying to find his way out so i thought it was weird at first it was shoveling cole into the meme fire for sure yes i thought it was weird at first i'm not gonna lie maybe i'm basic after i saw the memes it was like all right fuck it that was definitely a net good for society and now i watch and i laugh yeah it's like it's like when katy perry did the halftime show and there was the left shark left shark we're still talking about left shark there's like multiple people i saw i think even uh arian foster was talking about left shark yesterday We're still talking about it. Is it funny that

7 years later? Left Shark is a person who just walks around every day like that's the greatest fun fact of all time. Can we get Left Shark on this pot? Oh my God.

We're going to have Steven Glansberg, Left Shark. We're going to have the most random guests adjacent to the game of football of all time.

Wait, do you think Left Shark has an NDA? Yes. You think Left Shark's identity's concealed because he's not contractually allowed

to admit he's left shark i need to think i need to go on some deep reddit board find out who left shark is if anyone is any information about left shark please email the ringer fantasy football at gmail dot com literally just thinking about left shark makes me happy okay this this week in box of mirrors thing will not be as funny as left shark it's kind of like the burning meme it'll be funny for a week or two and then it'll cycle out but the memes were insane the memes were hilarious left shark we're still talking about it seven years later Oh my God.

Oh my God. All right. My favorite weekend one, no, was someone said that it was like when the server's taking me to my table at the cheesecake factory. Just losing the way. There's a fucking labyrinth of booths and tables.

Okay. Anyways. What do you guys think was the most Tom Brady thing that happened at this? Super Bowl. Yeah, this is a fun superlative. The most Tom Brady thing that happened. I think it's that everything went wrong for the greatest offense of all time.

Yeah, that is very Tom Brady. I was going to say something very similar, and basically it was like Tom Brady is so all-powerful, aka he made a pact with the devil at some point in his career, that it completely fucking psyched out the opposing team once again. Two Super Bowls now in a row where his opponent didn't score a touchdown. not bad. I didn't think about that until right now. The Rams scored three points.

And that was like one of the greatest offenses of all time too. Well, maybe that's hyperbole. But like, they were a good offense. That's also where he started his career, was beating the greatest show on turf rams. And Belichick's defense shut down what was then like the greatest offense anyone had ever seen and just shut them down.

And it's so dumb to nitpick. He's got seven rings. But yeah, this is fuel to the Grady's not the goat fires. Like, he's fucking. The problem with the Brady's not the goat or the problem with And I used to be a person who picks through Tom Brady's thing and be like, look, he was the game manager for the first trilogy. And then the Seahawks Super Bowl was literally decided by a play that he was not on the field for. And that his legacy should not be able to tilt.

And whether the Seilks ran with Marshawn Lynch, sorry to bring this up, D.K. But the reality is if he was on the sideline, he would have been three and three in Super Bowls at that moment. But then it keeps going and going and going. And at some point, the amount of excuses you have to make, the totality of the argument is just exhausting, quite frankly. You know what, though? In the Seahawks Super Bowl, the Leashark Super Bowl, as I like to think of it. Was that the Left Shark? Yes, that was the Les Shark Super Bowl.

Wow. He, I mean, he engineered a 10-point comeback on the Legion of Boom, which was at the time one of the greatest defenses of all time, literally. So it's not like he lucked into a Super Bowl win on that one, okay? I just want to point that out. He was also in the Super Bowl where perhaps a team had the greatest offensive collapse in football history. no he gets credit for that one if the falcons did literally one thing right he probably doesn't win that Super Bowl

that's the Jack Nicholas like intimidation factor thing like they're like oh shit Brady's coming back and then we all froze up yeah it's true the crazy thing that one is all the belliger criticism would have started right there because he traded away Jamie Collins that season and if the

Falcons had just scored one more touchdown everyone would be like you could have used Jamie college jackass all right how do you think this game will be remembered what's the one play you guys will remember from this game. What's the left shark of this game eight years from now? I think we all have the same answer here. Honestly for me it's the levitating photo.

Yeah. Which is silly because he didn't even, it was an incomplete pass on the losing team. I think that's exactly why. It's all of the crazy incomplete pass. All of the Mahomes scrambling, getting chased for his life. I think that's what we'll remember this game. Were there any, yeah, were there any

signature players that the Bucks made? No, I'm going to sound like a douchebag, but the reality is that sport is like this weird branch of art. And like the art you remember is usually the ones that just, you've just never seen before. It just changes. Like, it's a genre bending thing.

The Mahomes incompletions were straight up like nothing I've ever seen. They looked more like video game glitches than anything I'd ever seen in real life before. And frankly, I wouldn't have thought they were possible if you had just told me about them. I had to see it to believe it. And I think we remember them more because he's not Russell Wilson, who kind of does it all the time. Like, I've never seen Mahomes like this,

which is why I think I would never forget it is I've never, ever seen him so flustered. You ever seen him struggle? No. Or be frustrated? He's got such a head tilt. I feel like the more frustrated he gets, the more tilted his head gets as he talks to is online. Oh, that's good. It does have a tilt. I want to say one other under the radar moment, that was pretty cool. And this is trying to be, you know, objective because, you know, I probably haven't been the biggest Tom Brady fan of my career during my career. It's such a diplomatic way of it. I thought this was a cool moment was when, when, you know,

When Brady threw his first touchdown to Gronk, there was the first touchdown on the game, they went to commercial playing bad boys for life, which was the song Brady had put on his like little vine or snap or whatever it was. I think it was an Instagram video. Instagram video, sorry, where it was like him and Gronk

walking to the plane after they'd won the NSC Championship game and it was just like they had in the background, you know, Bad Boys for Life. And I don't know, I just thought that was a pretty slick move by the CVS crew to like put that in the in the like outro to commercial right after they scored the touchdown. So that was a cool moment too.

Yeah, they spent so much time getting their rights for that. They couldn't handle the weekends half time show. But they nailed that. They blew their wad in the first quarter. Oh, well. All right. Commercial time. The most important part of the show.

Did you guys even watch it really? I'm going to, I'm going to be honest. I did not watch very many. Oh, I think more commercials were watched this year in quiet peace more than. ever because nobody's hanging out because the band. I agree, yeah. Most people could hear the commercials. That is sneakily one of the most annoying thing about a Super Bowl parties that everyone talks during

the commercials and then you're like, wait, I want to see them. And then you don't want to be the guy who's like, can everybody be quiet? I want to hear the commercials. Yeah, because what are you actually doing? Exactly, yeah, exactly. I was actually working during the commercials. I don't know about you guys. Same. Well, that's the thing. It's like, once I've started doing this professionally, it's like, you know,

I was just slugging Heineken. Yeah. I love it. Love it. Slugging. And a frozen mug? Better be a frozen mug, dude. Anyways, I watched the commercials this morning so I could participate in this. You watched them again?

Well, I didn't really watch them the first time. What a fucking pro. Consumet professional. So I have my rankings here. I think the one that I enjoyed the most was Jason Alexander hoodie. That one was hilarious. Probably because I'm Jewish and I love Seinfeld,

but I thought it was unbelievable. Also, my sweatshirts are garbage. The subtlety of that commercial was that, I mean, the song that they played in it is important. It's Believe it or Not by Joey Scarberry. That's the song that George leaves as his answering machine. Believe it or not. I'm not at the phone.

You don't know that? No, I do. Yeah, it's a, please leave a message at the beep. I think that was my voicemail in high school. I'm looking at your guys is your list here on the dock. And in true 2020 fashion, so I don't know if you've seen like the memes about like how the headlines in 2020 are just like fucking ad-libs of like the most random weird.

possible things. What do you mean? Like Elon Musk tweets about Dogecoin, rocket it up 1,000% memes stock. Memes alt coin that doesn't have value? What universe are we living in right now?

Yeah, anyway, I don't want to even try and remember some of them, but one description you guys have written down here, hyphids, Sam Jackson's Sparkle Stick eaten by Juju's Orca Whale. That one was funny. That was a weird commercial for, was it, 5G or something?

thing. And he just got to eat. It was like I'd play on the Deep Blue Sea and you just got to eat. It was pretty funny. It was like shock value thing. There was one commercial I did watch and I see it's listed here. Craig has it. The Michael B. Jordan Alexa commercial was pretty funny. That one was so fucking funny. That was the only commercial I like genuinely laughed out. I missed that one. It's like the husband guy's like, hey, what's going on to there? You didn't see it? No, I missed that one. It's like the new Alexa and this woman's like, wow, what a sleek design. She was like,

I couldn't imagine anything Alexa could be inside that like is that sexy and then look at a bus and going by in the bus is a picture of Michael B. Jordan. So then she imagines what Michael B. Jordan as an Alexa would be like, and it's just him being super sexy, like, all through the house. And the husband being, like, very concerned about it. He's like, it's wet enough. It's wet enough out here. That's really good. She's like, he's like, she's like, Alexa, like, help me cook dinner. And he's like, I bought groceries. Why are you cooking dinner? Like, I already have food. Stop.

That's really good. It was great. Oh, my gosh. That is weird. Weird that that was an Amazon commercial, though. I don't equate Amazon with being funny. Just wait. It'll be funny when you're paying them taxes. The sneaky bar for commercials, if it's not actually a good commercial,

if you don't remember what it's for. And for that reason, I thought the best brand, like the one that was just a good idea in the pitch meeting was Drake from State Farm. I thought that was pretty good. It was a really good commercial. I bet you the idea. I mean, whoever thought of it,

it's a great pun, it's easy. Jake from State Farm, Drake from State Farm. It's all just comes down to like, is State Farm willing to pay Drake $4 million? That's the commercial. To me, it's more of an S&L skit. I'm surprised, like, Drake's on S&L one day,

and they're just like, hey, Drake from Straight Farm. It's actually a better, like, it's actually a better comedy idea than a commercial. I'm surprised they actually pulled it together. Drake is quite a good, I mean, I know he was an actor,

DeGrasi and stuff, but like Drake is actually really good at, like, comedy acting. It's better than LeBron and Train Rec. Like the music video for, sorry, D.K., we're talking about Drake. The music video for a laugh now,

cry later. You know the song, the YouTube video. First of all, they film the music video at the Nike factory. It's unbelievable. Like, it's just him taking a girl like, literally in the factory. It's amazing. But there's an outtake from it where he's like acting and it's just like him crying about the pandemic. And it's

honest, it's hilarious. He's like, I just going to channel my warrior spirit. Yeah, it's pretty good. He's a good actor. Yeah. Number one commercial was the Reddit one. It was five seconds long. Yeah, that was funny. That was funny. And there's just a screenshot. You can read the screenshot. I thought that was brilliant.

All right. Where's commercials? I do remember. I remember the Oatley one. That was one of the few commercials I remember. The CEO guy singing. I can't tell if it's a great commercial or a terrible commercial because one, everyone remembers it.

So we're all talking about it. We all know what it was for. That means it was successful. Super successful, but also like undeniably uncomfortable and weird. That's like the difference between the greatest quarterback of all time and the most talented of all time. It's like this was the most successful commercial, but none of us enjoyed it.

I will say, I did not fact-checked this, but I did see someone tweeting about this. Apparently, this commercial, the reason it was, it's kind of like a cult classic commercial. It's like this commercial was filmed apparently in 2014. And shown, I think the target audience was Japan or something. It was like another market, but Oatley got sued by, I'm just going to say Japan. It got sued by Japanese dairy farmers for saying something like, you know, it's better than cows milk or something. So they took it off the market. So they've been having, they'd had this commercial like in the vault for years. And for whatever reason, they wanted it to be like this

like gorilla marketing thing. And so they played this terrible, uh, commercial, despite the fact that some of the big investors in Oatley are like really famous actors and musicians. I don't know off the top of my head who they are, but like probably could have done a better job. So anyways, yeah, I think that's kind of interesting. And the fact that I've fucking looked this up and, read about it says this commercial worked. Yeah, I mean, it worked. How about the Doritos thing? They really tried with that one. They really tried with those. Like flat Stanley, but Flat McConnorahe.

Yeah. Doritos goes hard to every single Super Bowl. What do you guys think about the Doritos' Third Crunch? Will you eat the Doritos third crunch? Assuming they don't advertise in this podcast and pay us money. Absolutely. I mean, if somebody, I'm not going to buy it, but if somebody gives me one, I will pop it in my mouth happily. I don't know if I'm going to do it. What? You're just not going to try a chip? What's really?

What's the upside? It tastes good. What's the downside? The downside is I like them, and then I fucking eat more Doritos. The last thing I need in my life is more Doritos. You know what a Doritos tastes like. I mean, it'll taste the same. I know.

What if the 3D is better? What if I've just, I eat one and I have this moment of ecstasy and like epiphany where it's like, wow, I've eaten 2D Doritos my whole life. Now I have 3D Doritos and I start thinking and I buy more. I'm like, I don't want more Doritos in my life. I'd rather dwell in ignorance, leave me in my cave, like Plato, and I don't want to know about the 3D Doritos. I want to live in my flat world.

and I just, I don't want the possibility of eating more Doritos in my life. Do you guys not remember that these were already a thing. Those tubes of like little 3D chips. There was like 3D funions, 3D Doritos, 3D whatever the fuck else. That's how they get you. People who are listening who know what I'm talking about are going to relate to this. There were tubes of little 3D chips that have already existed. That's them red-pilling you.

Perhaps it is. What are the little, oh, things that you put on your fingers, like they look like their conical shape? Bugles. Is that right? Is that right? Is that what they are? I used to, yeah, you make like your claw hands. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Whoever thought that was brilliant, because I still remember that. Anyhow, what else we got? Is that it? Yeah, I think so. The last thing here, it's the showdown time, the final standings. We're not just like slipping this in. This is big. I know we're on like minute 70 of the show, but like our first ever showdown on our first year of our first feed.

Triple showdown. You can have the most And you can have the biggest lead ever But there's only one person Who can ever win the first showdown time It was close It was close matchup Pulling up the rear

Is Craig Incorrect No I'm kidding I lost I was like double taking I was double taking out the dock here I'm pissed because I would have won But Craig and I both had Cronk

And you won the You won the trivia offer for Gronk. Yeah. I love it. This is the point of the game. This is why it's

I mean, I also lost the, I lost the trivia for Brady if I would have kept him and Gronk. I would have gotten first. But then that you would be the subject of the sentence and the topic and I prefer to focus it on myself. Okay.

Okay, so I, 327 points, Craig at 337 and a half and then D. Barely clings up to first place at 3144. Six point win. God, if Mahomes did anything, I would have been.

you. I had Lenny Forns. Lenny Forns came through for me, you guys. This is like two years in the making. I mean, I screwed myself, D.K., because we lost the Tom Brady battle, and I had to choose between Mike Evans and Lenny Forns, and I took Mike Evans. Yeah. I just think it's very fitting that Lenny Forns, Lenny Fornes, Playoff Lenny delivered me the championship. I deserve the loss for not picking Lenny. But more importantly, Hyfitz. So I brought the 999 to this podcast. And now I have to do it. of six six six yeah what is this it's alvin camere six touchdowns i have to watch the game six hot dogs six beers

six servings of mac and cheese oh six mac and cheese guys i'm having issues with dairy i don't think that this is a good go vegan vegan mac and cheese is fine oh actually i might actually because i've just lactateous has recently been introduced to my life is there oatly mac and cheese ohly mac and cheese you might as well try it i might have to do it okay we're getting out of here. Yeah, we should mention here. So, you know, regular

season's over. We will be sticking with everybody during the off season on Wednesdays. Every week up until the NFL draft in the end of April will be doing Wednesday shows. Once a week, stick around. We've got a lot cool stuff planned. That's not cool stuff plan. Danny Kelly is the resident draft

expert of the ringer. He does a scouting guy with a hundred players. He's going to talk to us about the draft. We're going to go over team needs and free agency and trades. And when Carson Wentz cries like a little baby out of Philadelphia, we'll be there covering all that stuff. Dynasty. Dynasty. We're covering Wednesdays and it's going to be great. And also, so yeah, Wednesdays. And then also just genuinely like heartfelt shout out to everybody who listen to this podcast

all season, especially if you stuck with us through the playoffs. We've had an awesome time doing this, but honestly, the best part has just been kind of interacting with you guys. Like, anyone who emailed us in, I'm sorry if we didn't get everyone, but we did see all of your emails. And it was just honestly awesome. And this was our first season under the new banner. And this was great. So thank you for the bottom of our hearts for listening. It's been a pleasure, you guys. Yeah, it's hard to start a new feed, and you guys were great. This was a really hard year.

Like, numbers were down across the board for, like, fantasy football searches, like, in August. Because of the existential crisis of our time. Because of the existential crisis, but, you know, we're grateful that everybody listened and stuff. But genuinely, thank you for listening. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. But most of all. I mean, what would we do without? Thank you, Lorne.

Lord! I'm going to give a shout out to Katie Perry for Left Sharkley. A perfect ending. I don't know if I've said that before, but yeah, left shark. Oh, my God. All right. We'll see you guys next Wednesday.