The Ringer NFL Show - The 2020 Fantasy Rewatchables

Episode Date: December 30, 2020

The Ringer’s Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck recap the 2020 fantasy football season in the format of 'The Rewatchables'. Email us! [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We got a really good one coming next week. I won't spoil it with a great guest. but yeah the rewatchables check it out coming up fuck kirk the 2020 fantasy rewatchers all right i'm here with danny hyfitz and danny kelly for the first ever 2020 fantasy rewatchables i shouldn't even say 2020 the first ever fantasy

rewatchables i know what you all are thinking is bill okay with this yes he is he gave me permission to do this we are okay i am not going to get fired how's it feel to be here, guys? I'm thoroughly enjoying your Bill Simmons impression, by the way. I'm loving this. This is great. That was Craig for the record, and it was an amazing impression. Very good intro.

How long? Yeah, you don't get so far. Don't screw it up. How long have you been producing the rewatchables? Over two years? You've done a lot of episodes. I've seen so many random 80s movies. I can't even tell you.

I've seen every movie Robert De Niro's ever done. Nice. I just listened to the, I listened to two recently. Happy Gilmore. and Tommy Boy. With the Safty brothers. Two of the classics. Happy Gilmore

might have been my favorite rewatchables episode. Yeah, the 2020 featured some really good guests. We had Tarantino at the start of it. And then, yeah, we had the Safty brothers. We've had Bill Hader on.

Aaron Sorkin. It's been pretty good. Whoa. It's been not too bad. All right. So, like, we are kind of rejiggering this to fit with, you know,

football, with fantasy football. We're going to go through all the same categories that you know from the rewatchables. And if you don't know them, that's okay. If D. doesn't know them.

I mean, it's okay because we're still going to be confused. We're trying to keep the spirit of the rewatchables and that nobody knows what the categories mean and it's kind of just overall a little bit confusing.

And so we got to keep that touch. Yeah, so we're just going to run through it all, right? We're going to have a good time. We all don't know what each other's put. We've have our own docs going, so this would be a good time. One thing I wanted to talk about up top, right? So week 16 is over,

which is the fantasy football season. We don't care about week 17. I just wanted to go through the top 12 with each position. Just to know how everything finished where everybody was at. I'm going to breeze through him here. Starting at quarterback, 1 through 12.

Here we go. Kyler Murray, Josh Allen, Mahomes, Rogers, Russ, Deshawn Watson, Tom Brady, Ryan Tannenhill, Lamar Jackson, Justin Herbert, Kurt Cousins, and Big Ben. At running back, we got Kamara, Cook, Henry, James Robinson, Aaron Jones, David Montgomery, D.K., Jonathan Taylor, Kareem Hunt,

Josh Jacobs, Nick Chubb, Zeke Elliott at 11, and Mike Davis at 12. wide receivers we got devante adams Tyree Kill Stefan Diggs Calvin Ridley our boy D.K. Metcalfe DeAndre Hopkins Justin Jefferson the rookie Mike Evans Adam Thieland Allen Robinson Robert Woods our boy Bobby Trees

and Keenan Allen and at tight end Travis Kelsey Darren Warren Robert Tunyon third Unbelievable weird Mark Andrews TJ Hawkinson Logan Thomas 6th Mike Cickey 7th Gronk 8th Johnu Smith 9

and finishing it out Jimmy Graham Hunter Henry and Eric Ebron What stands out the most here to you guys? So, yeah, this is one thing that actually stands out from the entire season, and it's something that we had all, I think, hoped wouldn't be the case because we say this every fucking off season, but tight ends were just a wasteland again. Like completely useless.

If you didn't have Kelsey or Waller, you really weren't happy, right? Like, you weren't good at the position. Hawkinson was pretty consistent. He ended up being pretty crappy during the last two weeks of the playoffs, So that didn't really help you a ton. It took Logan Thomas forever to get going. We talked about him in the early part of the year. And I think he almost got in the burn book in the early part of the year

because he was getting like 30 targets a game but not doing anything with them. Finally, it kind of started to click. Yeah, just the tight-end position overall sucked again. And I don't know if it's going to get any better, honestly. Like the way that teams are playing, the way that, you know, there's three receiver sets so common in the NFL, tight-ins just aren't as big of a part of the past. in game, I think as everyone hopes they would be.

You're just not going to fight many guys. Many titans are going to get like 90 targets or 90 catches in a year. No, I completely agree. I also really feel for the people who drafted George Kittle, because you pay that much for a second round player to not deal with it. And then three weeks into the season, you have to deal with all this stuff anyway,

even though you don't have a good player that you could have drafted at that point. So either you got Robert Tunyon and you're happy, or you're just waiting through the, oh, maybe, yeah. I mean, you're like, oh, maybe Darren Fells is going to catch a touchdown for me this week, which is just the least fun version of football to play.

How about Jimmy Graham? I think he was the tight end one in championship. He was. Jimmy Graham was the guy to bet on. But honestly, there's not a less fun part of fantasy football than picking through tight end streamers each week. It's just it's the one where you're like, why am I doing this with my time? Oh, you're right. I don't want to pay attention to the news or my real life. And the other thing that I kind of think just reading the top 12s off again and comes to mind. And we talked about part, you know, part way through the season, but the elite quarterbacks were so valuable this year. And so I don't think that late round quarterback is not a thing anymore. I'm still going to utilize that.

But I'm a little more willing, I think, next year to invest heavily in the quarterback position, or at least a little bit more heavily, just because you've got like Kyler scoring 30 points a game. You know, that kind of thing matters when you're trying to win each week. And so I don't know, I think I'm not going to say that late round quarterback is dead at all. but I'm a little, like I said, I'm a little more willing to invest earlier on these guys just because they have that upside.

I was talking to Riley McAtee earlier today. He's your editor, D.K. He won the Ring of Fantasy Football League, and we were talking about trends for next season. And he was saying that really it's about mid-round quarterbacks now. I know Craig's been on that beat all season. Yeah. I think that's really true.

I mean, you just look at the list, Craig just read off, Josh Allen, Russ Wilson, those are all guys that were going between like 70 and 90 or somewhere, and they were unbelievable. Kyler kind of shot up as the season. We got closer to the season. because of the hype, but I mean, the mid-round quarterback value just seems to be what's there. Yeah, I mean, not a single late-round quarterback panned out. Not one. I'm not counting Herbert because he

wasn't drafted. Well, Tanahill. I think Tanahill is the guy. I don't know if he was late round. Was he late round? I don't remember where he went exactly. Absolutely. Yeah, I guess if we count him, he's the only one, he finished as the QB-8 this year. But, you know, besides that, it's like, what do you want to say? Kurt Cousins was the QB-11? Like, besides that, none of them really worked. Any guy you picked outside the top 10. Really honestly, I just think the rules of fantasy football. are just outdated now. I just think the fact where it's like, oh, we need a quarterback who runs

because rushing yards are worth more and rushing touchdowns are worth more. Maybe we re-examine that. It just kind of seems dumb now. I feel really stupid when the Cardinals need to go two yards, and I'm hoping Kyler Murray rolls out. And I'm like, oh, I hope no one's open so we can run it in instead of throw it in.

I feel ridiculous that I'd rather him. It's just, why is that happening? That's such a good point. I really think that maybe next year I'll propose to my league that I'm the commissioner of that we just make yards yards for quarterbacks. You know, 10 yards is a point, no matter what. The argument against it is,

Oh no, but then quarterbacks would be worth way more than every position. Yeah, no shit. Welcome to football. Like, quarterbacks are the most important position. How did we get to this point where, you know, you got to get your running backs first so the quarterback can wait. Like, I think two quarterback leagues do a good job of shifting that balance back where, but in reality, I'm starting to get really fed up that the scoring skewed. And we list those guys, the rushing quarterbacks are crushing it. Kyler's the number one because they're rushing.

Josh Allen, because, I mean, he was passing really well. year. But overall, we got to bring passing yards back. It's a little bit. I mean, it doesn't last in the long run because if you can't throw in the NFL, you're not going to be a starter for very long. But there's almost a reward for a guy who's not very good at throwing. Because if he's scrambling a lot, you know what I mean? Like, if he's scrambling, he's bailing on the pocket, making bad decisions, not throwing the ball, all that stuff. Like, it's actually sometimes pretty good for fantasy. So you, I like Daniel Jones before the season. And my argument was basically, I don't know.

if he's very good, but he'll panic and run a lot, because he's scared. Yeah. Guys who can only make one read and then just panic and run, like that's what you need. It's not going to last long, like, it's not necessarily something to chase in, like, Dynasty, because the guy's not going to be a starter for very long if you can't throw, but in

season long, certainly, it's kind of something to attack just because, you know, like, teams are just trying to survive out there a lot of times, especially in a year like this, where you had so many injuries, so many COVID situations happen. You know, it was just kind of funny. We've got to talk about the COVID for a second.

I'm just amazed. Like, we finished the season. We don't have to linger here. It's kind of a depressing topic. But I didn't think they were going to get these games in on time. The game 256 is Washington versus Philadelphia. It's kind of the game we deserve. Like, that's the game that's going to end the season.

But I don't know. Honestly, I'm kind of amazed we were able to finish this fantasy football season. How much do you guys think it truly affected fantasy football? Do you think that the guys who won their leagues would have still won had it not been the COVID season or do you think it truly had an impact? I didn't see tenant yet, so don't tell me. Yeah, I actually was talking to somebody about this because, you know, we were discussing whether there's like an asterisk on the season in terms of the championship.

And I don't think so. Not really. I don't think so either. Everyone was dealing with the same shit. Like you had to worry about COVID guys going on the COVID list. But that, you know, that was spread around to enough teams that it wasn't just affecting like one manager's team. You know what I mean?

It was affecting everyone in the league. Who suffered the biggest loss because? of COVID in fantasy. Like, the Ravens, if you had Ravens players, you had the worst COVID luck this year? Yeah, but that was only like a week or two and it wasn't that. Yeah, but the reality is if you were waiting on those Ravens players, you were probably having a bad

season anyway, because in reality, if you were hoping for J.K. Dobbins around November or Lamar in general, like, they weren't helping you even when they were playing on time. Early in the season, it was like the people who had Derek Henry and were worried that they would miss a matchup or whatever, but I think most people developed the system of like you can designate a backup and that person can.

play. So in general, I look at it. It's the same as the NBA bubble. It's like everyone was dealing with it at the same way, as D.K said. And in a way, it's kind of more impressive if you won this year. It was everything was a little crazier. Yeah, you had to work harder. Yeah, the asterisk is like, that seemed so hard. Yeah. Who was the biggest beneficiary

of COVID from like kind of a real life football perspective if you had to skew it to fantasy? Is it like Clyde? Because Darrell Williams bowed? No. Fantasy, it's it's road old quarterbacks. It's Rogers getting hard counts and like doing that in the Super Dome and drawing the Saints off side in the goal line.

That's an interesting way of putting it. Yeah. Warren Sharp talks about this all the time on the ringer NFL show. And Aaron Rogers getting a hard count at the 15-yard line in the Super Dome. When if fans were there, I mean, he wouldn't be able to hear anything. They can't communicate. So the difference of that shift, I think, is really pronounced. And Mahomes is also really good at it, too.

Obviously, everyone talks about his arms. But I think those guys and the effect they've had on the road, there's a reason that Rogers was wherever he was top five. Mahomes was top five. I think those were huge differences. That was pretty cool on Sunday night football, actually. I noticed that they were doing, this was at home. This was technically a home game or whatever, but like it's regardless, you're playing on the road at home.

There's not many fans there. You could really hear the cadence. You could hear him changing plays. It was like very, very clear. And so like, yeah, just being able to communicate all that stuff. I thought that was pretty cool. I also love how it's funny because for all, like, the NFL players throw out all this lingo, right?

And it's like, like Derek Carr had that one center football game. where you hear everything he was saying. He was like, Google, Google. And it's funny because I think sometimes people forget, it's not really that complicated all the time. Like, in general, it's like the R word means it's going right. And the L word means it's going left. Like, a lot of, like, when they're really, like,

there's four seconds left. Like, it's not particularly rocket science what's going on. Like, Ringo. It's right. Like, that's it. Why do they even do that? Like, why do they even have a code word? Just say left.

I don't know. It was like Roger and Leo. Like, that's just what it means. not, you know, it's not all like, like, Navajo to like, you know, protect your code from the Nazis. Right. You know what I mean? These aren't win talkers, you know. It's not the turn test or whatever.

It's like, you know, defensive players, maybe they get mixed up because it's like you have to put a, you have to put an L on your right foot and an R on your left foot so you don't get mixed up based on what the offense is doing? Right. It's like stage left, stage right? You're like, which way is that again? Starboard and port. The only other guy I could think of who really benefited from COVID from a fantasy perspective is, do you think, do you think James Rock? Robinson would be James Robinson had Raichwell-Armsted not had this whole

COVID thing for so long? That's a good question. That's an unfortunate situation. Rightquil Armstead ended up being hospitalized and... Absolutely, but I'm just saying, is James Robinson, the guy we know he is today, had Reichel Armsed said played this year? 100%. No, James Robinson's the first undrafted free agent I believe ever to start

in week one as running back. I mean, it's pretty amazing. It's the RB4 this year. Yeah, I mean, again, an undrafted running back does not start as a rookie in week one unless there is like a global pandemic. that's kind of the things you see. Shall we get to the categories? I think it's time.

All right. First up, most rewatchable scene, which we are translating to most rewatchable play or moment from the 2020 season. I'm going to list you my nominees. You guys add what you want after,

okay? Okay. Let's do it. All right. First one, Hail Murray. Yeah. Yeah.

I had that on my list for sure. Kyler to DeAndre. I mean... I couldn't believe he came down with that. He went up with three guys around him, just his gigantic hands reaching up through the crowd, plucking it down.

I loved it because there's the photo of him that with the, yeah, his gloves, because he's wearing black gloves, I think, and the bills are all wearing white. And he looks like a sea monster, like the cracking and pirates of the tereneas. Because you can't see his head. You just see his arms and his legs

and like his torso, but like he doesn't even look like a person as much as like a monster, just grabbing it. It is like, it is like he was possessed. Hopkins led the league in, in catches and right after it, he'd have the body language of like,

yeah, I'm the best wide receiver in the league. He, like, led the league, and I'm the best wide receiver in the league catches. Yeah. Loki, he's always carried himself with that level of swagger. Like, that... It's almost a chip on his shoulder. If you watch his press conference, if you, if you were interested, actually have like five minutes, his press conference after that game was crazy.

Because he was saying, it was just a better play by eye. I love, I love guys after they make plays, where they turn around and they look like angry at someone for trying to defend them. Like, how dare you fucking try? How dare you fucking try to defend me? The gall, the nerve that you had to even try there. Well, he barely reacted to that play. He just was like, yeah, no, it's Thursday for me.

It's like a work day. D.K., wasn't DeAndre Hoppins kind of slow in the combine? He wasn't super fast, right? Yeah, if I, like off memory, it's like four or fives or something. Nothing crazy. He caught flies as a kid. Like, he would try to catch flies. He did the Mr. Miyagi?

Yes. With chopsticks? I think he told me to Kimes this, but he was saying that he used to try to catch flies, but he realized that flies always go up. And so he would just reach above where the fly was and he could catch it. And his thinking was, if I can catch a fly,

I can catch anything. If you can catch a wrench. Dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball. Oh my God. Okay, next play here. The Daniel Jones trip. Oh, I forgot about that. That is amazing.

The funniest, if we had an award for funniest tweet, someone put him running and they superimposed it over the Giants win probability in that game. Yes. He trips right when the Giants turned it over. Oh my God. I forgot about that play. That's an amazing poll. I saw that live and I remember thinking, it felt like me as a Giants fan believing in Daniel Jones. It was a metaphor.

In real time. A microcosm, if you will. Okay, next scene, next moment, the D.K. Metcalfe chased down of Bouda Baker. This was my number one. Yeah. I re-watched it and I was howling. I was cracking up. I did the exact same thing today. I could not believe my eyes. He is literally a cyborg. Okay, so I took some notes on this. The pick happens at like the goal line essentially. Metcalf sees it happening. And then somewhere like in his brain, he's like, engage. And he just starts like, you know,

pumping out he does the most from the office run yeah it's like he literally looks like Optimus Prime like if like Shy LeBuff fell off a building

like three blocks away and Optimus Prime's got to get there in three seconds that's what he looked like the underrated funny part about this which I don't know I'm sure we talked about this at the time but I don't remember it as much as like

because like everyone thinks it's hilarious he caught up to Buda Baker but the speed at which he passes Russell Wilson who is also running Russell Wilson's also running after Buda Baker Metcalf

blows by him like a fricking Ferrari in the like the left lane of like a grandma's in the right lane that cat blows by him at like 90 miles an hour Leo DiCaprio in the beginning of Wolf Wall Street. Like no my Ferrari was white like Don Johnson

like that's DK Beckett And he just he flies past him. It is amazing No I agree DeCat this is the clubhouse leader for me because if you think of most rewatchable play as what will you YouTube the most or really just when when you bring up the playing conversation,

what do you have to, what do you have to watch it? Like, I have to pull this up. I can't just talk about it. I have to watch this again. It's that, like this was a myth-making play. Like,

like I think D.K. Metcalf went from zero to 60 on being cool this year. I mean, the visor, the look, the, the,

the, the photo of him shirtless into like the draft thing and then he's really good. And then this play, more than anything he'll probably ever do in offense in his career.

More than any of his actual catches. Is, no, really, it's like this made the D.K. Metcalfe into like a myth. This is a Bo Jackson style story except we all got to watch it. And I just, I

really think that more than any of the Hill Mary as cool as it was, this is like intertwined now with like his legend. Did you guys see like the photoshop's where they like made Metcalf look bigger? Like Budapaker is small as it is. Dude, Budapaker, after he got tackled was like

how the fuck did he catch me? Yeah, seriously. He's like, he had the side by his miced up. And he's like, he ran my ass down. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, this award could pretty much be won by just like what play for the NFL season got turned into the biggest meme. That pretty much tells you what the most rewatchable moment was.

And it's definitely the D.K. Metcalf Chasing. Do you have any more? There are some other honorably mentions. I have three more here. My winner was also the D.K. McCaff Chase Down. Here are my other nominees. I'll go through them quick.

The Kamara checkdown pass against Green Bay that he took for a 50-yard touchdown. I watched that one, yeah. Like the easiest 50-yard touchdown. Just slipping off. The inherited Marshawn Lynch's quality is, is Camara has the best balance in the NFL. And he does those weird balance workouts. Like he can't, he doesn't fall. He would never fall down.

I would love to go snowboarding with him. He would never fall down. Don't you ever think I would fall down? He's the best at the game, the floor is lava. He just dominates. He's playing that his whole life. The other plays I have here, I have that Raiders Jets last second Henry Roads play. Yes.

I think has to be mentioned. It doesn't matter. It doesn't hit as much now just the Jets won two games. but if they have gone 0 and 16 I think that would have been a bigger deal and then my last one this isn't a play it's kind of a it's kind of a moment but the Tyree kill

first quarter against the bucks Oh yeah I think should be tossed in as well 200 yards in the first quarter Again Kamara kind of overshadowed that one a little bit with his ridiculous day but like that was to this point in the season like the most absurd thing that had happened

I mean he was on pace for 800 yards the game after the first quarter I have only two more I have the Fitzpatrick helmet face mask play, which I know was a week ago and like is, you know, recency buys, but I do think there's an argument that that's the most impressive completion I've ever seen. Is it impressive or is it lucky?

Lucky is fair. Magic. It was the luckiest. It was magic. Since the Tyree catch. Fitz magic. But it's too recent. The other one is just the Falcons onside kick, the watermelon kick.

Oh yeah. I had that one. I had that one. I like this list too because I think the reason it's, these plays work is they're all very representative of the team or the player. Like the Jets losing on that Hail Mary to the Raiders is very Jets.

DeAndre Hopkins making that catch is very Hopkins. The D.K. Metcalf rundown is D.K. Metcalfe. The Falcons losing on the onset kick is so Falcons. Oh, and the other one I actually wanted to throw out. It's not the winner, but Derek Henry face masking Josh Norman. Like the Derek Henry stiff arm montage is just also. The only thing about that is he does it every year, so it becomes less rematchable.

It goes back to Alabama. I was watching a montage. of stiff arms actually. And Kirk Herbs, like Alabama Derek Henry stiff arms someone and Kirk Herbts who's like the already legendary Derek Henry's stiff arm. I'm like, this was eight years ago.

He's like 18. Okay, what's age the best? So we all agree, D.K. Mechavch chased down. Most rewatchable play this season. I think so, yeah. For sure. All right, what's age the best? This category kind of explains itself.

I'm going to start out with this one. Tyrae Taylor getting staffed. is hitting the way for the best rookie season since Andrew Luck out of Justin Herbert? Yes. I mean, I don't know how anything could have aged better at the moment. I mean, some rookie thrust into the spotlight against the Chiefs. Poor Tyrod. You know, all of our thoughts and prayers got to Tyrod's chest.

I hope it has convalest, but man, has that aged well for Herbie. So that doctor's mistake aged well for the team. Oh, absolutely. Has there ever been a doctor's mistake that's age better than that? I'm not sure. My God, dude. It's a different podcast. Okay, I took it a little different.

You didn't do stabbing? I was like... No stabbings? I basically took this as like which of our predictions or takes age the best. Oh, okay. You wanted to toot your own horn a little bit here. Well, I was going to toot your horn a little bit, too. Craig and I's faith in David Montgomery, midway through the season.

We wavered. We waffled. we sat around like we were sitting on the fence for a while there oh we waffled we pan caked we cricked and he turned out to be the RB6 yeah RB6 overall he had the insanely strong second half he was the overall RB1

the last five weeks of the season 123 points that was a good call that aged well I thought it was going to be the worst call we did the bold takes of the half at the halfway point and I was like this is going to be the worst like I'm going to look like such a moron side note my Leonard Frenette take look terrible too but

The David Montgomery one really I thought it aged well. It was a perfect one. I don't know if he's necessarily going to be that guy next year. But the take this year, it worked out for it. But he's certainly a legitimate running back now. Now he's just kind of a guy who's in the group, I think. Yeah. Yeah, he's a classic, like 11th pick in the draft,

like borderline first rounder into second. He's what James Connor was, like when he first got good and you're like, wow, maybe James Connor will be a thing. But who knows? I feel like it's kind of up in the air. The other one that I wanted to, you know, basically hype ourselves up a little bit was basically our collective faith and belief and hyping up of a trio of receivers in the preseason, Adam Thielen, Allen, Robinson, and Robert Woods. I would say those were three of our top guys. Calvin Ridley while we're tooting our horn.

Well, you had Calvin Ridley too. I was not on the Calvin Ridley one quite as much. I don't remember what Craig thought of it, but that was another good call. I sheld out for him in my auction league. We all loved Thielen Robinson and Woods. I think we were all higher than consensus by a good deal on those guys. They ended up being the wide receiver 9, 10, 11. Robert Woods, Bobby Trees, the wide receiver one. So that one aged well as well.

Bobby Trees, the Cinderella of the Rams. My other, so one of my other Woods aged the best is kind of just like, it was a global fantasy consensus. The Todd Gurley is washed, I don't want to touch it. Narrative worked out. Yeah. Him and Levy on that age well.

it's just the second half of the season he was literally unplayable. The first half he was fine, but I feel bad for Todd Gurley, but I don't think anybody was on the hype train with him. Yeah, for a minute there, it kind of looked like he was going to be,

you know, break the narrative because he was just getting so many touchdowns early on the season that he was like a good, solid RB2, but then he just fell off a cliff. And yeah, like you said, he wasn't even startable after that. The last one I have here is

the Kyler Murray hype. I mean, it was getting pretty steep going into the draft season. He was around QB3. People were like, God, am I really going to do this on this guy? I mean, he finished as the overall quarterback won. I mean, even though he had that weird down moment where he was kind of injured, I mean, it really paid off. And the Cardinals didn't even play that well this year.

No, I agree. I thought Kyler was like Baker in 2019, where the hype had just surpassed what was reasonable to expect. And then the rushing delivered. Honestly, Kyler's kind of been disappointing as a passer. And I don't think that's even on Kyler. I think Cliff Kingsbury's been disappointing as a coach. And Kyler's the beneficiary. Oh, well, I think the biggest one,

Tom, what's aged the best is Tom Brady leaving the Patriots. Yeah. Hello. I mean, my God, you wonder why the guy left. I mean, has an offense ever fallen apart quite like that? I mean, the receivers can't get open. Part of it, part of it is cam is not himself. Part of it's also that's the worst skill group in the NFL.

Like, there is really a case. I think the Patriots have the worst receiving group in the league for wide receivers. and they have the worst tight end group in the NFL, which I don't know if that's even happened in the NFL before for you to have both of those things if you're not like an expansion team. The Patriots offense, I mean, again, I know this is like a belated thing or beating a dead horse here, but the past receivers they've drafted since 2010. Nikiel Harry, Braxton, Berrios, Malcolm Mitchell, Aaron Dobson, Josh Boyce, Taylor Price. Like Tom Brady leaving, you kind of just watch this Patriot season and the mystery just evaporates. Oh, no shit.

He went to play with Mike Evans and Chris Godwin. Like, and Gron came back. Yeah. Good job, Tom Brady. Brady finished as a QB7. Yeah, it was fantastic. Yeah, pretty solid. And they're going to make the playoffs.

He's 43 years old. To be clear, 43 is unprecedented. Yeah, everything he's doing is unprecedented. The Pats might be dead last in the league of guys you started on your fantasy team this year. Yeah. They were the least relevant fantasy team by far because Cam was not a starter at all in the final second half of the season. Who was the best fantasy player in the past this year, not counting a quarterback? Was it like Jacoby Myers?

For a few weeks. Yeah, Jacobi Mayer. Damian Harris, who like, you know, I loved as a sleeper but never got the job. At least the Jets had, you know, Frank Gore was all right. I mean, James and Crowder was decent. Yeah? The point is they have to be compared to the Jets. Like, we wouldn't have been wondering when Tom Brady left the fucking Jets.

That's the point. The Jets are the only comparison and the Jets receivers are way better. So that Monday Night Game was pathetic. They've had three of those this season. They lost to the Rams like that. They lost to the, like, they're not a competitive football team. And I understand they had opt-outs on defense. But why Tom Brady left, I think that that's clearly aged well.

The other thing I wanted to say age well, football was, the Stefan Diggs trade. Can't remember a better win-win trade ever. Justin Jefferson is one of the best rookie seasons of all time. And then Stefan Diggs is leading the league in receiving yards and catches right now. I mean, that's unbelievable. The other one aging the best, the Baker may feel progressive commercials. those are great and they came around because baker's season turned around that's the thing he got a lot of shit for doing those last year you know what they're charming

I enjoy all of them I like every one of them he's pretty natural baker's this type of guy where if he were a better quarterback you could see him on SNL one day hosting you know he has that energy yeah that's a good call he does the thing with quotes stirring his post game pressers where he has like a funny like movie quote or something like ready to go for and I don't have any in front of me very good preparation by me. I have them all in front of me because of the quotes. We'll get to those later.

How many NFL players are hosted SNL? I think the Mannings have. I don't know. The Manning's funny. As Brady? Well, Peyton's funny. How dare you? Eli's great.

The Sports Center commercial? Whether he kicks him, it's great. He's not the same category as Peyton, though. No, he's fine. All right, fair. And pretty much every category. So speaking categories, who wins here? Tom Brady leaving New England or Tyrod Taylor getting stabbed.

I honestly think that's the Brady one because he literally has aged well. He's 43 years old and he's still, he's the QB fucking seven. What has literally aged the best? Very easily could have been Michael Jordan on the Wizards.

And instead it's a lot closer to, it's not the Peyton Manning on the Broncos, but it's closer to that than Jordan on the Wizards. And who knows, maybe we'll be eating our words in three weeks when he's terrible and loses to the Giants. What's age of the worst? I'm going to start this one off

because Hyphitz actually mentioned this, my take on Stefan Diggs. I was down on Stefan Diggs. This is like the worst take I've had ever maybe. Like I thought he was going to a worst passing offense, less accurate passer. He was like, you know, I don't remember the exact stats, but like 60% of his production came on deep passes with the Vikings last year.

And I was like, he's not going to get any passes nearby him with Josh Allen throwing to him, you know, like that was kind of the narrative. And honestly, like the stats for Josh Allen last year in 2019, I should say, were not good. Like he was one of the worst deep passers in the NFL. Josh Allen has this amazing turnaround. round. One of the best stories, honestly,

the whole season. He became one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL, and Stefan Diggs just went absolutely nuclear. The overall wide receiver three. So me being down on Stefan Diggs has aged horribly,

and I'm very disappointed because I don't have him in any of my dynasty leagues, and now he's going to be, like, way more expensive. So, yeah, that was bad. Absolutely.

Honestly, it's just fun. It's fun that they're good. Yeah, they're so much fun to watch. They're the most likable team in the NFL right. 100%. Everybody loves Josh Allen.

I think the Stefan Diggs thing is fun that it worked out. People like McDermott. And the fact that they're in Buffalo just adds so much character. It's so much better than them being in L.A. or Miami or something like that. It's kind of like Green Bay,

like Lambo style. Like it's a small town. It's relatively small. It's literally a throwback to a different era of this country. Like it's a small town team trying to... And it's really started when the bills beat the Jets and Giants

back to back in MetLife. And Josh Allen's like, we're the only team in New York. And that was like... And they just kicked them in the teeth. He developed swag. year Josh Allen did. So one thing I got here for what's aged the worst is not picking rookies because this season had no off season.

Oh yeah. Yeah. That was me. I was all about that. That has aged like milk. If you go and if you look back at what the rookies have done this year, James Robinson and John Taylor, top seven running backs this year. Antonio Gibson, Clyde, and Dunderswhip were top 20.

Justin Jefferson was the wide receiver seven. Cedie Lamb, Chase Claypool, Higgins, and Iuke. we're all top 31 wide receivers. Man. Tough year for people who are anti-Rookie. Just say me. Just at me, dude.

Just say me. Tough year for Danny Hyfitz, the rookie's tanks. As long as we're adding high fits, and this is another one, this is very related to the Stefan Diggs thing, but we were very down on players moving teams. Like, receivers switching teams,

Stephon Diggs is one of them. Meanwhile, has the most yards and Hopkins was like the receiver of five or six, I can't remember, but. It Diggs has the most yards ever for a player in a new team, a veteran on a new team.

That did not, Well, who's going to change the way we feel about rookies for the next three years in fantasy? I think it has to. Because if you can do it

this year, why can't you do it any year? I wonder if it'll come to bite us in the ass. Oh, always. What doesn't? We got to undervalue rookies next year and just wait and just have it bite us in the ass again.

Yeah, you're waiting to come back around. Because it's the same thing with Travis Kelsey, like, oh, this is going to be the year, he drops off and then it'll never have it. Yeah, you don't chase the tether ball. You just try to punch it

when it comes back around. The only other two things I had real quick, we kind of mentioned both of these will breeze through them. It's just all the Josh Allen haters out there. A lot of people were anti-Josh Allen didn't think he had it in him

and he's proved all of them wrong. And then the last one is the drafting of QB late theory. That was kind of thrown into the trash after the show. What you guys have? I got, I mean, you know what's aged badly? Will Fuller breakout season?

Well, he kind of aged well. I don't know. I mean, he had the best season of his career, but it hasn't aged well. I don't know. I can feel like he helped people while he was on, you know, on the field. We got what we needed.

His hamstring was aging magnificently thanks to those medications. Yeah, I'm sure Mark McIntyce Baseball managers from like 1990s, eight were thrilled. But like I'm just saying it hasn't aged well, that's all. I want to throw this one out here and I'm curious to see your guys' response to this, but I think a lot of the Taysom Hill takes

have aged poorly, aka the Taysam Hill is terrible. Taysam Hill can't play quarterback. Tysm Hill, it's a joke that Sean Payton is actually still paying Taysam Hill and playing him and putting him in the game. I think he proved not that necessarily like he's going to be an elite quarterback, but like that this wasn't like this total joke. Like he went undefeated when he came in in relief of Drew Brees. He might be the future.

Teddy Bridgewater. Teddy Bridgewater was a starter all year. Yeah, but Teddy Bridgewater. Taysam Hill has. That's a, that doesn't. The floor is there for him to be solid. but the floor is not there for him to be like, oh yeah, we're committed to him as a starter and we don't need to look for a quarterback anymore.

I think there's a huge difference. He's a bridge. I don't think that it was now proven that it was a good signing that they, $18 million they gave him or $20 million. Like, I don't know if that's the case. Now they basically like maneuvered an entire offense around making him seem decent,

but I bet you they would have won with James Winston too. I think he was, my point is, he was much better than anyone was like saying he was. People thought it was going to be like a complete fucking joke. joke. Like he can't throw the ball. Yeah. And he was a better passer than anyone. Yes. No. Except for like a few, like a few people

like just out on their own getting totally awesome. But yeah. So that's what I'm saying. I'm not necessarily saying he's going to be like Steve Young reincarnated or whatever. But like he was better, he was better than people were saying he's going to be. Like he was a huge joke. Yeah, but I'd still rather Jalen Hertz if I had to win a game tomorrow.

That's not the argument. That's not the argument. Yeah. I'm just saying. Yeah. Okay. So you guys are still like holding strong. That's what I'm saying. I don't hate him. I'm just saying like he's fine. Good.

It's interesting. I don't know if he can come from behind, which is kind of the difference between being average as your ceiling or like really good. The other just thing for eight, what age the worst, all the commercials that are not Baker Mayfield. Every commercial this year is just injured guys. It's Dak Prescott telling me about sleeping,

sleep number and Saquan is shaving. And the footage on the Saquan Gillette commercial is like this old, grainy Giants footage. And I'm like, is that because I don't have been seen him play in two years? And then you've got all the other ones are for Christian McAfruit, the Amazon Web Services. Oh, yeah.

Like, we're talking about guys who've been out since September are the face of every commercial during the commercial breaks. It's unbelievable. Every time I see Sequin standing, I'm like, where is crutches? That's a great call. I don't like those Hulu commercials with Baker and Sequin with like the really scary bodies.

Oh my God. The deep fake ones? Awful. Just unnerving. Yeah. Yeah, I don't like that. All right, so what do you guys have for what stage the worst? I think the Stefan Diggs one for me is like the worst mix. My Stefan Diggs takes of H the worst.

I mean, it's just, for sure. I'm owning it. Like, I wasn't like a necessarily like a hater. I just did not think that they were going to do what they did on offense this year. So I think in my, in my, like it hurt me too because I didn't take him anywhere. So, yeah, that take was bad. Did not age well. I think it's, my pick is the rookie thing and just kind of the COVID offseason.

and I was kind of misjudging that. The craziest thing was that it almost is like the answer was pretend it's not going on and you'd be fine. Like we were thinking how is this going to affect the season? Fantasy-wise, it almost did not impact any of your pre-draft thinking. Very little. You guys like college football, right?

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So the way we're kind of spinning this is that, you know, just things that could have been if injuries didn't occur, if a trade didn't happen, you know, something like that. My big one, my takeaway is, how bad would Kyler Murray have been if DeAndrere Hopkins never got traded to the Cardinals. Oh, that's good. What do we think about him now? That's good. He certainly would have been the QB1.

The QB1 was the rushing. He had like 10 rushing touchdowns in the first nine weeks, so I don't know. But still, I mean, I can literally subtract 10 points from him already because Hale Murray wouldn't have happened. Well, D.K. can't do math live on air, so don't put him on the spot. Not even going to try that one. What do you guys have? Anything?

I got a bunch of them. Number one, what if the Patriots had signed a different quarterback than Cam Newton? a couple other options that were potentially available in free agency. Phil Rivers, Cedie Bridgewater, Marcus Marietta, James Winston. Any of those situations, any of those

quarterbacks in New England would have been very interesting. I don't know if it would have made him a playoff team, but obviously it probably would have looked a lot different. And here's another one. What if the dolphins had picked Justin Herbert instead of Tua? How good would the dolphins be right now? Not to take it away

from like Tua's future in the league, but Justin Herbert has been an incredible. And imagine him on a well-coached team. My only thought on that, though, is the dolphins are really high on Tua, right? Like, let's say they waited and got Herbert later or something. Do you think they wouldn't have felt as strongly about Herbert as they did Tua, and maybe Fitts would have just played the whole season?

That's, you know, that's something that you have to think about. Yeah, maybe. These are, yeah, wow, those two really good points. It's kind of, like, you wouldn't have gotten stabbed. No one, Fitz wouldn't have gotten stabbed in Miami. And so he probably, Herbert still riding the bench. and we're like, is he Patrick Mahomes or is Matt Leiner? We have no idea.

I don't know. Maybe we should just send that Chargers doctor to whatever team drafts, like, kind of an interesting rookie, just so he can stab the starter. In Judaism, there's someone called Elijah, which is like you leave the door open from, like a stranger in case he visits your house, and that can be the Chargers doctor. Like, he just comes to your house and he needs to be prepared to stabs you, and then that means you're a man now. He's just like the anti-Easter Bunny.

The new Bar Mitzvah is just getting stabbed by the doctor. He's the horror Easter Bunny? Yeah. But here's a couple other scenarios that I want to talk to you guys about. What if some of the rookie receivers had kind of been mixed up? So say instead of having Henry Ruggs go to the Raiders, one of Judy or C.D. Lamb had gone to the Raiders instead, how that season would have looked instead.

Because Ruggs obviously was a controversial prospect. A lot of people decided he was a speed guy. It wasn't going to be a big deal in the NFL. Say C.D. Lamb on the Raiders. Like how different would their offense look? The other one I was going to throw out there. What if? And I think Philly fans wanted this, or at least that's how it seemed at the time,

the Eagles had drafted Justin Jefferson instead of Jalen Rager in the first round. Eagles fans think would. Would Carson Wentz still have his job? Wow. That's a cool. Chew on that for a while. I mean, Tyler Tynes was, our ringer colleague, was yelling about not drafting Justin Jefferson immediately after they picked Rayor.

Yeah. So that's, I think that's an interesting wrinkle. And then the other one I was going to throw out here, and this is. sticking with the rookie situation, but what if Dandre Swift or Jonathan Taylor had gone to the Chiefs instead of C.E.H? So you're just out on Clyde? I'm not, I'm not necessarily out on him, but I think both Swift and Taylor have looked more impressive and more explosive. And so imagine Swift, for instance, great pass catcher, super explosive in that Chief's offense. I think that would have been a lot of fun. And maybe things have gone a little differently. Maybe they would be

15 and 0 or something. Obviously, it's not like, you know, they're not going to get much worse. 14 and 1 but I just think that's kind of fun to think about High Fitz you got anything? Yeah I got a couple I mean what if the 49ers didn't go to MetLife Stadium

in the first three weeks of the season like this is a thief that was coming off Oh my God They had so many people get injured Oh that's great They had back to back games Against the Giants and Jets and they complained about the turf

And they stayed in New York And they had Here are the injuries they got There's two weeks two and three In MetLife Stadium Jimmy Garapolo Two running backs for Heem Moster And Tevin Cullen

Two tight ends George Kittle and Jordan Reed, two defensive ends, Joey, Nick Bosa and D. Ford, and three cornerbacks, Richard Sherman, Kwan Williams, and Emmanuel Mosley. And that doesn't include Debo Samuel being hurt. And they blame the turf. And it's like, if they just didn't do that trip,

are the Niners like the best team in football? I have no idea. You're talking about a team that was a foot. Like, Jimmy Gropolo overthrew Emmanuel Sanders by a foot to win the Super Bowl. And then by week three, like, they're the walking dead. This is a fantastic point. Million dollars of players,

almost more than a third of their monies on the salary cap is on injured reserve by like week four. And they have so many players watching from the luxury box, it looks like they're fans in the stadium. It's unbelievable. This is a great point.

I mean, Jimmy Coropolo may never gotten hurt and he could have been the, you know, starter for the next three years in San Francisco. If the Niners never got hurt, their defense was good and they were playing well. It could have changed kind of everything. I love these alternate reality. that we can cook up. That's really fun.

The Joey Pansour for the biggest that guy, the translation that we're using is just we're going to do a kind of a no name and nobody that nobody knew before the season who took off. I think James Robinson is just the runaway winner with this, right? He is. I mean, yeah, he definitely is. It's like not even really a contest.

I threw in a couple extra names just because it's James Robinson, but like why not talk about a couple other guys? Robert Tunyon. I don't think anyone was really talking about him before the season. 11 touchdowns this year, which is pretty cool. I think Mike Davis doesn't quite reach this level, but... He's been around.

Yeah, because people knew his name, but at the same time, we literally had a discussion before the season about how we didn't rank Christian McCaffrey's handcuff in our ringer fantasy football draft rankings, and we were like, that's stupid. Why are we not ranking him? This makes no sense. And then he's a freaking RB1.

What also hurts James Robinson is that his name is James Robinson. If his name was DeAndre Swift, I feel like... Yeah, it's so true. His name would have stuck in your head if you would have looked at rosters even, like the fact that his name was like James Robinson. No one even... Well, he was going up against divine ozygbo. I'm picking divine ozigbo. I'm picking a hell of a name. We got Rykwell. We got divine. Divine just sounds like so badass. Divine Ozygbo. I'm taking that guy. All right, yeah. So James Robinson wins.

I just want to shout Robert Tunyon, though. We called him Robert Tonian for the first month of season until he meager like through the Packers PR team corrected and by the way everyone in media has been saying his name wrong for the whole his entire career all right vincent hannah give me all you got award for overacting this is from the movie heat is this the renamed one from spotlight that used to be the they knew like that's what this used to be right okay it used to be the mark ruffalo they knew but it's also been the linda part linda partridge don't call me lady award there's been a lot um but now we've the last i think year now ever since they did the re-reesome he hits back to Vincent Han and give me all you got.

So the way we're translating this is we're going to do Fool's Gold. So it's like who overacted for a couple games here and they aren't actually good. Flash in the pan. Flash in the pan. So two jumped out to me. One, Richie James and the Niners literally had one game this year. He had 184 yards into touchdown and never did anything else. Nice job, Richie.

Week nine. My other one is, this one's a bit longer, but Travis Folgum on the Eagles had five hot weeks. he had 82 points in five weeks, and the other 11 games of the season, he scored 12. The Icarus. He flew too close to the sun, really. I think Richie James is the equivalent of a guy.

Like, Richie James wasn't in the season long enough because no one picked him up after that game because that was the game after the Niners had like three receivers put on the COVID list the day, like the day before. So no one went to pick up Richie James, so he's not a memorable player to most people.

I think Travis Fulgum is the guy because Fulgum actually was added. by like almost everyone. But he had 30% of his receiving yards this year in one game. So you got everyone who added him was just kind of waiting for that to happen again. And it didn't. I think Fulgum's great.

Because also who remembers Travis Fulgum now? I got one. I got two, actually. So Tyler Higby, he caught three touchdowns in week three, scored 26 points. Yeah, wow. And then did pretty much nothing the rest of the year.

He was unstartable for the rest of the season. He did score double-digit points in two other games, but he wasn't being started because he didn't do jack shit after this three touchdown game. And it's extra cruel with tight ends, you know? You probably got all excited about that. And I mean, obviously, going back to last year, you had one of the most incredible,

it was like four or five games where he had 100 yards in a row, like never been done by a tight end before. Everyone was like really excited about a possibility that he was going to be, you know, like the next Travis Kelsey type player for the Rams and then just disappeared. Nothing. Hi, Fitz.

Got any? I know you had mine. I think it's Fulgum. Yeah. That Higby won's a good call because it screwed a lot of people, just as Fulgum did. But Fulgum came out of nowhere. I mean, just like off the bench. I mean, we had never heard of Travis Fulgum before. No, and he legitimately won people weeks probably for like a good three week stretch there. Okay. The Dion Waders Award, our translation here is just the best waiver guy of the year, you know? Who came in off the bench?

Well, can you explain what the Deon Wader's Ward? what it means in the normal rewatchables? Heat check guy? Yes, biggest heat check. So it's basically, you know, Dion Waiter's basketball player in the NBA, is kind of known for just coming in and just like launching shots. It doesn't even matter if they go in or not.

Sometimes he'll drop 30 and 20 minutes and sometimes he'll brick 10 straight shots. But either way, it's just who is in the movie for a small amount of time. You can't pick like any of the top seven built people in the movie. Right, right. Like it's just like it's Will Ferrell and Wedding Crashers type stuff. They're in it for two, three scenes But when they're in it A Willfellow and a

Ablebleblah A bluefell and down Yes Yeah A bluish shoe The blooms Okay The blums

Let the boy watch Let the boy watch A sauntry What's that guy's Like Stacy or Oh it's Let the boy watch Let the boy watch

All right So we're doing best Waiverware guy of the year Here are my nominees And you guys add any If you got any Mike Davis on the Panthers Jeff Wilson on the Niners

Justin Jefferson was a waiver wire ad early in the season Nelson Agalore Miles Gaskin Jady McKissick and Robert Tunyon So I think that Justin Jefferson was obviously the best waiver wire guy But I don't think he's a Deon Waiters Because Justin Jefferson was so good that he never

Like Dion Waders goes back to the bench Like he puts up 18 points in six minutes But then he goes back to riding the bench Justin Jefferson was too good I think he's not eligible here Too sustained. Yeah. So does Mike Davis not count?

Because I had Davis, I think Jefferson's a great one. I actually had Herbert as another guy that, I don't think he was on anyone's radar before the season. And if you picked him up early on, you were doing great there for a while. I had Travis Fulgum on this one. But you guys make a good point about the... You can win two awards. That's totally okay.

So he was the wide receiver won for five weeks from week four to eight. The wide receiver one. Yeah. Travis Folcomb was the For five weeks Yeah A five week stretch of the season He was the wide receiver one

Wow is Travis Does Travis Folgum win? That's deceptive though Because he's week for whatever The week was he had like 150 yards No one literally 0.0% of people Other than Travis Folgum's family Had him on their team

Well sure They didn't have him in those starting lineup So it's after that But still if he was top 10 For like a few weeks It's pretty remarkable I mean, yeah, that's a great pickup on the wire. And I think that fits the category.

I think Mike Davis or Justin Jefferson. Let me make the case from Mike Davis because here's the deal. If you had Christian McCaffrey and he goes down in week two, this is a disaster. But if you added Mike Davis, you were fine because here's the thing. Yeah, because he was like legit. If you just add together Christian McCaffrey and Mike Davis into a player called Panthers running back, that was the RB3. Like the RB3 is, it's like, or sorry, four. It's Dalvin, it's Derek Henry Camara,

and then I believe it's Panthers running back. So you were fine. You got your investment back if you were able to get Mike Davis. And also, Mike Davis on like a points per game, I think he was like RB4. Yeah. Sorry, for the stretch between like week three and week nine. Yeah.

He's just, it was so phenomenal that I think it's really rare that someone as good as McCaffrey goes out. and then a backup that isn't really heralded replaces them. Like sometimes like, oh, it was Zika. Well, Tony Pollard's really good. There are some backups where like that guy, like Alex Madison with the Vikings, you're like you can expect a lot sometimes. But Mike Davis was not anything special.

As you said, D.K., we didn't even rank the guy because we didn't think that the Panthers could replicate what they do without McCaffrey. And then he did like 90, 80 percent of it, which was phenomenal. So, you know. It tapered off as the year went along, but he was like 84% McCaffrey by the end of the season, but that's fine. Can I make the case for Nelson Aguilar? Oh, I think he was a good waiver-wire pickup.

I don't think he was in the same area of Curtis. I was thinking about him for Joey Pants because he's not like, he's not anonymous, but he is like that guy is back in my life. Like, where do I know him from? Oh, yeah, that's the guy that someone made fun of on local Eagle, like local Philadelphia TV. Right. My case is that so if you want to keep to the true spirit of the Dion Waders Award, somebody getting injured and then somebody else coming in,

I'm not sure as a heat check, you know, like Mike Davis. Nelson Agilore was the random wide receiver on a team that just drafted two top prospects, and that was just better than both of them. And like every other week, he had 15 points. He just touchdowns this year. He stole rugs his season out from under him. Yes. It's really true because he also had the longest catch of the season, I think.

He had an 85-yard touchdowns that was the longest the season. He also had his best season of his career, like 850 yards. He is 840 yards and 8 touchdowns. I mean, he'll get close to like 1,000 yards this year and maybe 9, 10 touchdowns. I like that. This is also nice because everyone, like I thought his career was over. It just seemed like he left the Eagles.

He just, for whatever reason, couldn't catch the ball. And now he's actually like the reliable deep. I like this. We can give it Nelson. Nelson, and I think Robert Tunyon has the same resume, you know? He didn't, he just played well. Like, nothing happened that he came in. He played well.

He put up touchdowns. I think it's Aguilar, Tunyon could maybe co-win the Deon Waiters Award. I like that. All right. recasting couch. This is easy. Who should be on a different team? If we were the omnipotent overlord, who would be on a different team? My first pick is Alan Robinson needs to get on a different team ASAP. He was a top 10 wide receiver despite being on the Bears. My pick is next year,

go to the Texans. Just go to the Texans. Everything will be better. What do you guys? I like that. Yeah, that's a good one. I like that. I think that's a good one. I think sticking with that. If we're just talking about recasting couch, we need to get to Sean Watson out of Houston, don't we? I mean... Yes. Well, not if Alan Robinson gets No, even if they have the worst offensive line. I mean, but put Deshawn Watson on the Bears and call it a day. Yeah, that's good. Can we get rid of Matt Nagy, though?

I'm about cross-sport trades. Sure. I'm a big believer in cross-sport trades. Like, there should be, like Bill always talks about sports czars nationally. I'm not, you know, I don't know about the federal government solving these things, but I think local power grassroots, if you had a sports czar who was in charge of Houston, like the city, and you were in charge of the Rockets and the Texans, both those teams, individually are fucked. But if you leverage, like, which one do we care more about? The Texans? Great. Let's

trade James Harden away for a good offensive line. How about this? Can we just, can we just put James Hardin on the offensive line? He looks like he can't play. He's big enough now. He gained enough weight. He's a guard. He's a guard. He can be a guard. He is a guard. He can draw a lot of holding penalties just with the acting. He's just like, oh shit. Oh, my God. So I got a couple others. Can we get Terry McLaren off Washington and into a situation? Is it too early for that? What if they get a good quarterback this year? I mean, okay, sure. If they get a good quarterback, that's great. I thought he'd be great on the Chargers playing opposite Keenan Allen, deep threat. Justin Herbert, I think that'd be fun. I mean, it's too easy to put him on the Chiefs, but like instead of Sammy Watkins,

having Terry McLaren, that'd be fun as hell. And then the Cardinals, they need more talent. I don't think Christian Kirk is really all that great. And so how- Tyler needs more help? He's not, isn't enough enough? Yeah, get him more help. I'm just like rooting for fantasy points here. And if I was going to take off my Seahawks fandom hat and just talk for my fantasy teams that have Russell Wilson on my fantasy teams, get him off the Seahawks for fuck's sake,

put him on like the Panthers or something with Joe Brady, someone that's going to let him like open up the offense, pass, let Russ Cook it like we saw in the beginning of the year, but actually have a system around him and like a weaponry around him to let him keep doing that all year long. where does Russ rank on the he's not leaving that team scale i think mohomes is number one i think russ might be number two i think russ is two i think i mean russ literally owns a seattle soccer team

oh i didn't know that he's part of the he owns part of the sounders and not like a jZ share with like you know the half percent he's part of an ownership he's part of an ownership group that's trying to bring the sonics back too i believe yeah russ russ is russ is going to be a Seattle icon. I know, this is all, this is all like a fantasy angle. Like he's not leaving the Seahawks. I love that.

I want to see more what we saw at the beginning of the season. Like five touchdowns a game. Like that would be fun as hell. It's not gonna have, I don't think it's coming back though with Seahawks. Could be wrong.

Ross's creativity is fun because I really believe a lot of it because he's short and that the scrambling developed because he couldn't see over the middle of his line and then he just developed it's like how short kids in school

like learn to be funny because like it's all they had. Yeah, and maybe they grow and now they're tall and funny. I think that's why Baker has a personality. And I think that's because he's just been the shortest person in every team he's had for like his entire life.

And he just had to have some kind of something to be a leadership quality. It's why he's, it's why he's been quoting movies in his press conferences. But the only argument against that is Russ has zero personality. Well, no, Russ is just always, no, Russ has always been a 35-year-old dad at heart. And now he's grown into his personality

because it was weird when he was 23 and like, why are you a 35-year-old man? Now he's, like, actually approaching his mid-30s. And you're like, oh, you're who you should be. What do you think Russ's favorite show is? Oh, 100% Big Bang Theory. King of Queens. You think he's like a CBS comedy guy?

You know, Spotify, when they did, like, you're in the 0.01% of, like, listeners for this band. Russell Wilson's in the 0.01% of watches for young Sheldon. He's just diving into Tim Allen's last man standing. What's the universe show with Neil deGrasse Tyson? Cosmos. That's great. Don't you shit on Neil? Yeah, Cosmos is good.

How dare you? I want to throw Michael Gallup on the dolphins. Okay, sure. Or the Packers. What a random thing to say. What? Why not? I don't know.

Tell me why. Yeah, sure. Okay. Why? Because he's good. And I'm sick of him playing like third fiddle to freaking CD Lamb and Amari Cooper. And I want him to have a good quarterback. He's been playing third fiddle for like 10 games.

Yeah, that's fine. I just want to get him off. You're already sick of it. Yeah. Wow. The only one I wanted to throw out there is get Kareem Hunter the Rams. I'm really tired of this whole Cam Acres. What?

thing. Kim Acres is going to be like a top 10 back next year. Extremely tired of it. I want Cream Hunt to have his own like I just want him to have his own backfield and I just think that he on the Rams

he'd be a top, he'd be just as good as any of the guys in the NFL. Why the Rams? Why the Rams? Because the Rams running game I'm tired of this rotation. It's wants someone to get

85% of their carries. Cut James Connor and send Cream Hunt to the Steelers. James Connor sucks. That's, that's what we want right there. Oh, cream and the Steelers. The point is that I want the Rams

to have a feature back. I want the Rams to have a feature back. it's annoying that they have this rotation. Well, he got hurt. That's not really his fault. Look, I'm just saying, man. All right, half-ass internet research. This is kind of self-explanatory.

We're just going to kind of rattle off some little-known stats from the season, fun things that stood out. I'm going to start here. I kind of literally just put together. I found just a random list of like five interesting little nuggets that I'll just run through and then you guys can take it over. All right. Fun fact.

Patrick Mahomes has 16 dropped interceptions this year. That's crazy. A record. Yeah. Is that a real stat? Yeah. I saw that too. I'm not sure that that's a real stat.

Craig, did you go back and chart it? Yeah, I went back and grinded the tape. I think it feels true. But it's the point of though is that Mahomes has just had so much if you've watched Mahomes this year, I think you're right, Craig, where it's just like,

because so much of the story of his MVP season was he isn't throwing picks. But if you're watching, you're like, well, people are dropping picks left and right. Anyway, next one. had to squeeze this in. My man Cole Beasley is 16th in receiving yards this year. Pretty impressive for all Cole Beasley.

16. Uncle Cole. Oh, my God. That's unbelievable. My next one, Dak Prescott is currently the quarterback 31. How many games do you play, like, five or six? Still making him technically starting quarterbacks worth of points this season,

which is insane. I added Dak stat, which is that before he got hurt, he was on pace to break Peyton's single-season passing yard record by 80 yards per game. Jesus. Jesus Christ. Tom Brady, first player to make the playoffs 12 straight years in a row. And my last one, this is for you, Hyfitz.

Every single NFC East team this year has at one point held sole position of first place, last place, and started multiple quarterbacks. Oh, my God. Wow. What you put it like that. Oh, you get vault. What a division. What do you guys got? I got one.

Here's an early 2021 sleeper alert. I feel like this guy flew under the radar. He was definitely at Glansburg. We never talked about him one time, maybe. Curtis Samuel on the Panthers from week seven on, so basically more than half of the season, this is like nine games. He was the wide receiver 14 and half PPR.

He was a high-end wide receiver 2. He outscored in that stretch in both points per game and total points. He outscored Robert Woods, Tyler Lockett, Adam Thieland, Chris Godwin, Amari Cooper, DJ Moore, Terry McLaren, Robbie Anderson, Jarvis Landry, and to reiterate, he outscored both DJ Moore

and Robbie Anderson, his teammates. He was really good in the second half of the year. He's a free agent this year, this off season. Oh, wow. And we were anchored by his first half of the season. I feel like we never got over it.

We never believed it. It took a long time from it get started, and people, I think, are still seeing him as like this gadget player that can't really be relied upon, which it's not the case. He's getting a lot of targets. And honestly, you know,

just based on the eye, test, he looks pretty good. Like, he's fast, explosive, elusive. I'm very interested to see where he lands. If he moves teams, you know, and he goes to some other offense, I think all bets are off because you just kind of never know

how things are going to go. But I think he's a sleeper for next year, and I think he's an interesting guy. Heifitz, you have a shit-eating, like, grin on your face. You're just not buying. No, I don't. You're looking at, I see doubt in your eyes.

How good are your facts, Hyfitz? What are you? I would have a half-ass internet research. Doufitz. D.K. just staring in my eyes. So there's been 8 200-yard rushing games in the last four years,

and four are by Derek Henry and four by every other person in the NFL. That's crazy. Unbelievable. Derek Henry has four, 200-yard games, the other four are by one each for Todd Gurley, Dalvin Cook, Leonard Furnett, and somehow Isaiah Crowell.

Let me ask you this. Oh, wow. That's random. For what's age the best, what about paying running back's massive contracts We got Camar Cook and Henry have kind of worked out. Yeah, but McCaffrey's the one against because Mike Davis did 80% of his work for about 8% of the money.

That's true. Derek Henry also did this on franchise. Probably less than that, honestly. Still, however, early dividends for paying the big bucks for the big dogs. It's worked out for year one. Camara's the good one. It just depends. The other one I want to say,

this is my favorite stat of the year. over the last three seasons that no team has gotten more points in the spread than the Jets. Like they've gotten the most... Like if you add up every time the Jets are like getting 12 points over the last three years,

they have the most points in the league. And yet they have the worst record against the spread in that time. Wow. They're just not even like a real NFL team. Well, and you know what's crazy about that is there's another stat about there's only been a handful of teams

to be getting over 17 points in a game and win outright. which the Jets did against the Rams. That's random. I'm a big fan of doing second half splits because obviously you can see who over the course of the season and who ended up being like the strongest fantasy players, but a lot of times you can kind of look into the future a little bit

if you just like narrow it down to second half splits. Justin Jefferson was the wide receiver four from week nine on. So the second half of the year, the last eight games. He's going to be a star. I think that's legit. I think that's real. I think it's going to be a thing next year. Deonti Johnson was the wide receiver,

five in that stretch. There's a lot of variables there. His drops are a big thing. And Ben might not be there, so the offense might be completely different next year. But Deonti Johnson, huge weapon fantasy over the second half. Jonathan Taylor, who we almost, did we put him in the book?

He's in the book. He's in the book. He was the running back six in the second half. J.D. McKissick was the running back nine in the second half of the season in PPR. And Kurt Cousins, who is perpetually, perpetually hated on was the QB6

in the second half of the season. Fuck, Kirk. All right. Let's get to Apex Mountain here. So this is the most confusing rewatchables category. Every time anybody's on the show who doesn't know what it is,

it just becomes a bit of a mishmash of an explanation. However, so it's basically who is having their career year both professionally, personally, a good argument is like, or a good example is Tom Hanks in Castaway. Was it his best acting performance?

Maybe. It's not like a runaway, yes, but it was the biggest time in his career as an actor. He was never more famous. He never had more power from like a contractual standpoint. Just kind of like your overall fame, as well as who you are as an actor or a play or whatever you're doing is your profession.

So my one, to start us off, is Josh Allen. I think, so there's obviously a chance that Josh Allen continues to ascend and becomes an MVP down the road. But right now, he has to be the most important person in the city of Buffalo, number one, which is more than you can say maybe about any other city besides me, Mahomes and Kansas City, I guess, Rogers and Green Bay, but they've been around a while. I wanted to look at other people who are from Buffalo, other famous people from Buffalo, to see, like, who would get the seat, the best seat at the restaurant if these two people

walked in. Here are the other most famous people from Buffalo. Rob Grancowski is from Buffalo. Fredonia. Fordonia, New York. However, he's on the path. That kills it, right? He kills the allegiance to Buffalo. He's in the ASE East. The Bronx are local legends, though. Okay.

I think it's, I think, I think Josh Allen gets the seat right now. I know someone who, I know someone from that area who attended a gronk house party and Rob actually woke up like butt naked on the lawn. He was at the gronk party? You really buried the lead on that. Why didn't, why didn't Why are we first just hearing about this right now?

How did we, yeah, who is this guy? How did he know? I can't reveal my sources. What? Can you, okay, all right. Here are the other people from Buffalo real quick. Rick James, Wolf Blitzer. Rick James.

F. Scott Fitzgerald. The Gougu Doll. Fx Gerald. He's not walking into any restaurants right now. He ain't walking in any way. He's not walking through that door. The Gougu Dolls and lastly, the 13th president of the United States, Millard Fillmore. Miller.

I think greatest named president ever. Millie Mills. Josh Allen is a lot. Buffalo God. Well, it's Jim Kelly. Jim Kelly gets the top spot. Yeah. He's not from there, but I think Jim Kelly probably.

Jim Kelly, I promise you, Jim Kelly gets the best table at the seat at the restaurant in Buffalo. Josh Allen would not take it from Jim Kelly. I'm not so sure. I'm not so sure. I'm signed with high fits on this one. Here's a hypothetical.

Yeah, maybe if the waiter's like 55, but if he's like 27, he's going to sit Josh Allen. He gets the millennial vote. He's not going to know who the fuck Jim Kelly is. Jim Kelly's, no, Jim Kelly and Buffalo. Dude, no, Jim Kelly. Josh. Allen would turn it down and give it to Jim

Kelly. That might be true. I still think Josh Allen gets a seat at any table in Buffalo over anybody right now. What about Thurmond Thomas? I think the thing for right now with the bills is like do they make the Super Bowl? Because it's weird because if you vanquish the Chiefs, usually you'd be like, all right, well, Josh Allen's peak no matter what. But if they stir up those demons

of losing the Super Bowl, I know we're getting ahead of ourselves, but like that'll be its own bucket of worms. But yes, it's Apex Mountain for Josh Allen, undoubtedly, regardless of what's going on? What else you guys have? So I have a question first What's what is Apex Mountain? What's the what's the What is the apex mountain?

Like what's that from? I don't know what that is. It's from nothing. It's from Bill's mind. I thought I was missing like some reference to a movie or something. No, no. It's just, you know, the word apex. Are you at your apex?

Right, I get that. You know, it's like Mount Rushmore. Mountain symbolizes a peak. Yeah, peak. It's like the peak of their powers, but visualized. Yeah. All right, got you. I think.

High fits, who do you got? I think the thing, are we doing? this season or this year because the Chiefs, Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelsey, if we're doing the year of 2020, Mahomes and Kelsey winning the Super Bowl, getting the contract, I mean, Mahomes, you know, got engaged. And then Travis Kelsey breaks the record for receiving yards by a tight end with a game left. All that, I think, is fascinating. But if it's just this season, Travis Kelsey even is not Apex Mountain.

Because the Super Bowl was too good for them. So listen, I'll go a step further. If we go 2020, right, the year 2020, Apex Mountain for the Chiefs. Apex Mountain for the city of Kansas City? Wow. Honestly, it might be, because the Chiefs had, the Chiefs had to made the Super Bowl in 50, it hadn't won the Super Bowl in 50 years.

Okay, okay, let's go to D-K here. D-K. What do you have for Apex Mountain? All right, so I got, I have one serious one, which is James Robinson for the Jags, who was the RB4 overall. He got incredible, insane volume. He came out of nowhere, was the first undrafted free agent rookie to start,

would you say, if it's ever? Week one? Yeah, for running backs. He got 240 out of 266 rushing attempts from running backs on that team. I'm just saying, like, he might end up being a long-term starter for them and being very good, but I don't know if he'll ever have the out-of-nowhere, you know, hype and recognition and appreciation from everyone about that. I think the Jags are probably going to end up bringing reinforcements at the position at running back.

You know, they'll have guys, like, come in and at least back. him up and take some of the workload off his back. And honestly, we're going to have a new coaching staff, a new front office probably, or a new coaching staff probably definitely a new front office, and they're not linked to him. So, you know, who knows what's going to happen? I think this is going to be probably the best statistical and fantasy season of Robinson's career. However, the other guy that I wanted to throw out in this category, which I think fits probably better, Kendall Hinton of the Broncos.

Yes. It's his Apex Mountain for Kendall Hinton. Negative 0.8 points starting quarterback for the Broncos against the Saints in week 12. Oh my God. Listen, any pub is good pub for Kendall. Apex Mountain should be renamed Kendall Hitt Mountain. That's really.

Holy crap. That's great. Oh, that's fantastic. Do you think the Jaguar is getting the first pick in his draft and locking up Trevor Lawrence's Jaguars Apex Mountain? Yeah. Oh, yeah. For sure. Oh, wow. This is the best moment of Jaguars is his.

No, they were the AFC championship game winning over the Patriots like three years ago in the fourth quarter. Yeah, but I think he didn't win. The Jaguars, they didn't win. They still knew Bortles wasn't the guy. Getting Trevor Lawrence is not a high or high than beating the Patriots, like

having a, I think a two-score lead over New England with like 11 minutes in the AFC championship game. That is a feeling as a fan that is like unparallel. Did you hear, did you hear Sean Fennessee on the Bill Simmons pod the day that the Jets won? Just the despair. I felt really bad for him. The despair in his voice.

That was like real. And imagine the inverse of that. Jaguar's fans have been waiting for this. I don't care if it's not like real. Like getting Trevor Lawrence, the promised one, like the chosen one or whatever. the best prospect in forever like does it get any better than this like reality might not be as good as what

as a Giants fan and as someone who is just defeat like something like I'm on the team the Giants after watching the Giants beat the Patriots in two Super Bowls there is not a better feeling than like beating the Tom Brady Patriots in the fourth quarter of a playoff game like the Jaguars almost went to the Super Bowl this is an apex mount

like they're going to get to enjoy Trevor Lawrence like I don't know but listen I mean, I guess if you stopped right after that one game of the playoffs and then we did this category, it would be their apex amount. But they blew up the team and then none of those guys are on the team anymore. Right, fine. Like right after they lost that season, if you were like, hey, fans, would you have rather had that season or in five years you get the next Andrew Luck? Which would you rather have? I think they would say the Andrew Lipp.

Yeah, you're probably right. You're probably right. All right. I have a couple other apex. I just want to say Stefan Diggs. We mentioned Josh Allen. It's 100% apics mount for Stefan Diggs. He'll have commercials next year.

the other one what about well sorry Devante Adams is up there but the most important one I want to bring up offense this is apex mountain

for offense most it's the highest season ever 2020 most points per game by a lot like by more than a full point which is a lot most yards per game

most yards per drive most yards per play by far the most first downs per game most rushing yards most rushing yards per attempt and by nature most fantasy points ever

I think that's good one pandemic throws a wrench it because it could be half the reason why all of this occurred. But if that doesn't yeah, you're right, it doesn't really matter. I mean, so can we say, what about Apex Mountain for rookies? I mean, yeah, we might not see it. We might not see another rookie class.

Like, Herbert wasn't good for a good team. Like Apex Mountain, you can't, like, Dak Prescott going 13 to 3 for the Cowboys. Ben Rothesburg are going like 14 and two for Steelers as a rookie. Like, if there isn't a quarterback making the playoffs as a rookie, it can't be Apex Mountain for rookies,

no matter how good Justin Jefferson is. Yeah. Okay. I think that's right. Do we have anymore. I love the Apex Mountain for Candle-in. What about high- ankle sprains? Taking down Michael Thomas and Christian McCaffrey. Jesus. Yeah, but they're always going to be around. Apex Mountain for stabbings?

Malpractice lawsuits. Pick nits. You know, quibbles of things that happened this year. Things that could have changed. This one's tough, right? It can be something that annoyed you. Yeah, it's just so broad. Yeah.

You know, problems you have with the season, little things. I got one. Mine is... Go ahead. Sorry to interrupt you. Small quibble. Just the little one. Like, you know, it's nothing big.

I don't think it would have changed much in the big scheme of things. Maybe Alvin Kamara could have just had like fucking four touchdowns instead of six. Just four is fine. He's just back on this. Just three or four and you're having a great week. The Saints are still going to fucking win. That's just one quibble. D.K., would you have won your championship if he only had four touchdowns?

I don't want to think about it. No, you wouldn't have, would you. Don't make them do math in public. I know, I lost by like 20-something, so I think I still would have lost. They take away three touchdowns, maybe four. Yeah. Anyway, just this is one little thing. I don't know.

Sure. Hyphids, what do you got? Honestly, I was just started and I was like, yeah, whatever. They had the season. I'm kind of happy. I feel dumb nitpicking this year. I think my nitpick was probably just with PPR scoring. It's really dumb.

I hate it. This year made me realize how much I hate it. hate it. I just think the fact that reception's whole inherent value is insane. Yardage is worth something. Congratulations on running a play. Like, he can't catch a screen and lose three yards and get points.

I think that that is patently nuts. Drives me insane. And considering how many teams now basically use the passing game as an extension of running, like you see this with the Rams and other teams that they basically just run rock for a screen. And like the fact that J.D. McKissick is getting points to like catch screens for Washington just drives me up a wall. and I just think fantasy scoring in general

is really outdated and that we need to change a lot about it. So you think that the quarterbacks matter the most, so they should matter the most on a fantasy team. I think that and I also think that first downs need to be a point because that's the goal of football as opposed to catching the ball,

which means nothing. The point is to gain yards, get first downs, and score points. Like that's what football is. Those are the things that should be worth, worth, that should be valued.

So let me ask you this. You know, Stephen Gostowski, see, Adam Venetary, these guys have records for scoring the most points in their team's history, right? They win games, they swing playoff moments. Do you think kickers should be on fantasy teams because they're so important to a team? Yes, I'm not one of those people

who wants to get rid of kickers because kickers are upsetting and not predictable. Kickers are like, like kickers kick you in the teeth, and that's why people want to get rid of them. They score field goals, Philgos are worth something. But kickers are, like, you need some, like, and not everything can be predicted. You can't just have an algorithm that's going to be like,

oh, well, this, you know, Wopper target share says X. No, you know what? I like that kickers are unpredictable. I like that they miss. I like that coaches who think about every aspect of the game on a sideline have no idea how to help those guys, like basically aren't involved. I think kickers stay.

But everything else is annoying to me. The only things that should count are yards, first downs, and touchdowns, and field goals. Is there a kickers coach? I know there's a special teams coach, but do kickers have like a person they can talk to? Oh my. So in college, no. In college, they basically don't.

Like, it's actually, it's actually really wild things. So in college, there's only like 15 assistants or whatever. There's a set number by the NCAA. And they're not going to waste one on a kicking coach. So basically, it's like pay to play. Like the kickers who can pay for private stuff are the ones who rise through the ranks, which is nuts. And then the bear is actually hired. There's like a kicking consigliary guy.

I think his name's, I forget his name. Kicking, Kicking Kohl. But the bears hired him. And he's like the, the kicker. guy. And so you kind of have to run through him if you want to get recruited and everything. Because they basically, it's like consulting. It's like all these teams have no idea to do it.

So they just outsource the kicking consulting and they hire who the kicking consultants say. They have no idea what to do. It's like a dad when the mom is gone for the weekend. He has like a teenage daughter. He says no idea what he's doing. He has no idea. Can't relate at all. He says no idea what to say. Yeah, no, that's how what do you eat?

What do you eat? What do you eat, right? You do eat food, right? A hard boiled egg? What do teenagers eat? Do you put a hard boiled egg? I got a couple other actual ones from the season.

Okay. If I had a quibble, it would have been nice if Kyler didn't hurt his shoulder in whenever that was. I don't remember when that was. This is a different team. This doesn't affect that league.

Don't worry. I'm just saying, it just would have been more fun if he kept doing what he was doing all year long. I think it was like week 10 to week 13. Yeah.

Because he was going to, he was on paste to score like 20 touchdowns on the ground or something ridiculous. Here's another one. It would have been just better if the Bucks didn't sign 4-Net. Like if Ronald Jones had just been the guy all year. That would have been so much easier on our lives. That's a good call.

And then this one is another, I think, like, situation where, like, maybe the universe would be different if this hadn't happened. But Dandre Swift, dropping a touchdown catch in week one, I think affected his entire season. Because after that, like, they didn't get him as involved. They, like, dialed everything back. It took him, like, half the season to get back into the offense, and then he got a concussion. So it just, like, threw everything off.

And he was being used quite a bit. He was using, yeah, he was being used quite a bit in that first game. I'm just wondering, like, how different the season would have been if Swift had caught that, not just for Swift, but for the lions in general. Post-traumatic drop syndrome. Deonté Johnson has it as well. Oh, my gosh. And now Judy has it, too.

That's a good recasting couch. DeAndre Swift dropping that ball. It's a good one, D.K. All right. Should we get to best quote? For best quote, we're just doing best sound bite or moment from a game

from a press conference. I love fuck Kirk by Justin Jefferson. Fuck Kirk. I like, so this one's funny to me because like on Twitter a lot of people were saying

fuck Kirk like literally just fuck Kirk fuck Kirk. Yeah, no no comma. This is like grammar is important in some situations. This is a fuck comma

Kirk like like like you know how like let's eat comma grandma like instead of let's eat grandma Or your Uncle Jack off a horse Or your Uncle Jack off a horse I'm pretty sure it was fuck Kirk Like fuck Kirk

You know like pass the ball to be better Oh 100% it was like yeah It was definitely fuck comma Kirk For sure Because that is that a weird thing for him to yell Fuck Kirk like on the feet Like no one speaks like that That'd be weird

I was just like fuck Danny Like in front of Danny That's a weird thing to do Yeah exactly What do you guys got This is something that really tickles me, and it's probably not the winner, but I wanted to share it. This is, so the Lions just blew a bunch of fourth quarter leads very early in the season,

and they'd also blown fourth quarter leads at last year. So early in September, Matt Patricia was asked by a recorder, a reporter, why do you keep losing in the fourth quarter? Do you think your coaching is something to do with it? And Matt Patricia's answer was, quote, I think I got probably one of the biggest plays in the fourth quarter in the history of the NFL where I think it did a pretty good job, referring to the Malcolm Butler interception from five years ago

for a different team. Get over it, Matt. Like an NFL head coach, the cliche masters who were like, you know, we're just focused on the weekend. Matt Patricia's like,

did you watch the Super Bowl five years ago? You idiot. The lions are great. It was like, like, meanwhile, Bill Belichick's like, well, you know,

what you've done in the past doesn't matter. And Matt Patricia's like, my past. He's the worst. I couldn't believe that. That was astonishing. And I wanted to shout out football outsiders does the week in quotes every week and like kind of compiles it. And I was looking through some of these today and they're just hilarious.

So here's a couple that I picked out. This is Chase Daniel, Detroit Lions backup quarterback. When asked if he likes to utilize his legs as an extra element to his game, he says, not really because I get tired. I don't know the context. I don't actually know if he was like tongue and cheeking in it or if this is dead serious. I'm going to choose to believe he deadpanned it. And I just want to point out, Chase Daniel has over $34 million in career earnings, and he has started five games in his career.

Yeah, he's up there for greatest, luckiest backup of all time. Matt Flynn was there for a while, if you guys remember him. Chase Daniel has the ideal life. Like, that's where you all. So anyways, that cracked me up. The other one that I think is like maybe the funniest one to me. Maybe it's like a hyphen saying, maybe this isn't as funny to you guys. But we just got to finish strong.

I mean, hats off to the Raiders. They've done an unbelievable job the fast two games of presenting a challenge on third downs and in the red zone. That was Kansas City Chiefs and Travis Kelsey

talking about in an on-field interview following the teams win over the Broncos. Oh my God. Oh, my God. I just love that. I'm sure it was like

just a slip or whatever, but it's hilarious to me. It's like the most disrespectful fucking thing in the world. Like he doesn't even remember who they played. It's like going on stage and being like,

Hello Detroit And that was like yesterday's show or whatever Speaking of Kelsey I think the one that stands out to me Is there was the week that Jimmy Fallon Wrote the lines for like six players In press conferences do you remember this No

This was kind of a scary media moment Because no one really caught on But basically a bunch of players Said ridiculous shit in their press conferences And it came out the next day That Jimmy Fallon's writers had sent them all these lines One of which was they'll slip them in And Travis Kelsey was like talking about Andy Reid

he's like sometimes you got to tell him take it easy there roller coaster tycoon and then like Alan Robinson was like call me old fashion no really like that's my new nickname call me old fashion and then and then gronk said you know like my mom used to say must be maple syrup because butter don't drizzle like that oh my god and the crazy thing was like no one really noticed and I was like wow like if it's not easy for jimmy phallon to coordinate answers imagine how easy it is for like CIA that's hilarious Wow, whose idea was that? How did that, like, coming?

Jimmy Fallon. Didn't really get much. Oh, and Baker, obviously, Baker is one of those guys, too. And then Baker just has slipped a movie reference or a rap reference into, like, all of his press conferences since then. Like, when he's like the real cheese move in silence like lasagna, which DeMario Davis said first, Saints linebacker. He's that first in a press conference, by the way. I saw a quote from this year. It was an on-the-field miced-up moment where I think Jerry Judy dropped a pass.

He almost caught. He got hit. and it wasn't a completed past. And I don't know who the linebacker is, but he was on the Titans, and he just yells at Judy and says, get off the field, bitch. And I was like, yeah, that's pretty good.

All right, so what do we got? What do you think is best quote? What wins? I mean, I personally like the Travis Kelsey one because it cracks me up, but I'm down for whatever. I actually think I have to vote. There's also Chris Jones

for the Chiefs who said about the Jets, that's a very good football team. People forget that because they haven't won a game. I feel like that's my favorite quote of the year. That's a good one. All right. Probably unanswerable questions, which is, you know, self-explanatory yet again. What happened to Player X?

If this didn't happen, how long is this going to go on? Here are the ones I got. I know I'm beating a bit of a dead horse here with this. But what happens to Justin Herbert if Tyrod Taylor doesn't get stabbed? That's what I was. That was, you know what? This was exactly my question, but I framed it differently. Would Herbert even be the starter if Anthony Lynn hadn't had a choice, like had no choice in this situation?

I'm like one of those people that am just kind of like out on Anthony Lynn Like it might not be the case But in my mind I imagine that Tyra Taylor would still be the starter And we wouldn't even know if Herbert was any good You know what I mean we'd still probably all think he sucks Yeah and then it's like you never know what can happen with that stuff Like for all we know Josh Rosen is good like stuff just happens and It is pretty interesting how that worked out and how he was just thrust into the game and ended up being great

who knows. He may have not played until like mid-2020-1 or something. God damn it. My other one here is, is Dak Prescott the QB1 in drafts next year if he never gets hurt? That's a good one. I think so. I mean, just perfect storm the way the Seahawks were. The Seahawks and the Cowboys were, I'll be very similar teams early. Awful defense, amazing passing offense that just means game script every week they're passing.

The Seahawks defense got better and changed everything. I don't think the Cowboys would have a choice. I really think that just was in a perfect storm to go after all these passing records. Plus he's got an awesome like offense. There's so many good receivers in that offense. Looking at his games, dude had 450 yards in week two,

472 yards in week three, 502 yards in week four. He said a career high. That was three career highs, back to back to back. That was insane. New one each week. Yeah. On that note, just kind of like,

is Zeke good or like, would they be better off with Tony Pollard? I think is similar. Like, again, the Eagles and the Cowboys are similar to me in the respect that you want to be like, well, their offensive lines were so hurt, what are you supposed to do?

And then Jalen Hertz comes in with an also banged-up line and just is better. And same thing with Tony Pollard. Like, Tony Pollard comes in, the Cowboys' line isn't in good shape and just is unbelievable. And then Zeke was better last week.

But I just feel like Tony Pollard might just be... It's one of those, like, you sound kind of annoying when you're like, Tony Pollard's better because it's, okay, you'll never get proven. But I really do think Tony Pollard is as good. Yeah.

I think they're both good. The thing that's tough is I've watched Zieg for too long in my life, like being incredible. I've never had him on a fantasy team, and he was one of the worst people to go up against. I mean, I know the Dallas line was great, but Zique was really something for like three years. I mean, he would never go down. He was the surest 100 yards per game in the league. I'm just a firm believer that was the Cowboys offensive line. Just a firm believer that was situation and that really almost anyone would have thrived.

but Jared Jones just wants to just relive the 90s. As you know, all running backs are fine. The other one, on that note, though, if Sequin stayed healthy, would he have even been good and would he even be a first rounder next year? I mean, honestly. Dude, Galman did well.

Galman had five weeks that was good, but honestly, I, I just don't know. There's a weird conversation to be had about Sequon Barclay. Sequin, my most galaxy brain take I have is that Seacuan has a running stock, that looks better behind bad offensive lines because he's so dancing in the backfield that when it doesn't,

you don't really see how many runs. Like he's not great at just, there's only four yards to be had on this play. I will take five yards. He wants to do a home run every time. He's like the baseball equivalent of, I don't know, Mark Trumbo or something, or I don't know, Chris Davis back in the day.

It's like he's a three true outcome guy. He's trying to hit a home run, but he loses a couple yards off and instead of just taking six. And Galman was better at that. And it seems nuts to say, say Wayne Gawman's a better running back than Sakewan. I'm not saying that at all. Please do not quote me on that.

Like he's not better than the Sake one. But Sequin isn't awesome. It's just hitting normal holes when they're there. And I just feel like, and also the Giants offensive line was only really impressive for like five weeks. I just feel like he wouldn't have had a great season. And I don't know. I feel like we're talking about him even as a fringe first rounder if he had

stayed healthy. Like I don't think he would be a top 12 guy. Does Sakewon? Do the Giants need a Brandon Jacobs again for Sakewon? No, it's not that. just like, I guess I'm just really just upset that they took him with the second pick instead of trading down to Quentin Nelson like the Colts did. They get three second rounders in the process. Sequin's weird because he's like the best running back in the league, but also not even close to the best running back.

That's the thing. It's like at a certain point, if you are so good, but you need more talent around you, like, what's the point? And like, that's the running back thing. The reason I'm so upset the Giants took Seekwon is because at the end of the day, football's a team sport more so than other sports. And the Colts moved, gave up. or the Colts got from the Jets three second rounders

to move up three spots. And a general rule, unless it's a quarterback, you'll always take four good football players over one great one. That's how football works. And the Colts, I think, got Darius Leonard with one of those picks. They got Quentin Nelson.

Give me Darius Leonard, Quentin Nelson, two second rounders over Sequin or any other running back any day. It's just frustrating. So maybe I'm not over that. Yeah, that's fair. I got a couple. I got a couple here.

I'm surprised this didn't come up already, but was Lamar pooping? I mean, I don't think he was, but we saw him walking. Like, it was definitely like a holding it in type shuffle into the locker. The problem is it's... He like, waves the guy. I'm like, get out of way. Get out of way.

I'm going. Wow. I mean... And then he came back in and threw a touchdown pass on his first play, I believe. I almost put this in the... There's no better feeling than when you have to poop. Oh, my gosh. I almost put this in the quotes one because he, at the end of the game, he was like, I was

cramping. I didn't pull of Paul Pierce, I was cramping. Pull of Paul Pierce. And the ringer posted that funny Paul Pierce photo. Oh, can I go back to best quote? I have one thing we forgot to mention because it's not really a quote. When Chase Claypool tweeted his face

on top of Tom Brady's holding up the number four when he caught four touchdowns in that game, that was one of my favorite social media moments of the game. Anyway, I, uh, what are the other possibilities here with Lamar? What do we think? It was cramping. I'm pretty, like, to be earnest, I think it was cramping, but it was so funny that for literally an hour, everyone on Twitter thought he was pooping and, like, was 100% sure he was pooping. Probably a lot of still, people still think he was pooping. It was just like a perfect 2020 moment. Like, we're all on Twitter, like, talking about shit. Believing 100% that Lamar just went into the locker room to take a dope.

Yeah, the first reporter who was gone on it was going to type cramping, but actually hit the P instead of the M and it was cramping. and it was crapping, and then that's what did it. Everybody ran with that. Oh, my gosh. The other question I had was, and this is along the same lines of the Tase-Mil question, is like, what would the Saints have looked like if James Winston had been the starter for those, whatever, four weeks?

Or what was it? Three or four weeks? Five weeks, three weeks. Four? Three, four? Three. What would the Saints, how would it's different would the season be if the Saints had started James Winston instead?

And where would James Winston's career go from here? I had the same thought. So he started one, two, three, four games, Taysam Hill. Would Alvin Kamara potentially have sniffed Christian McCaffrey's 2019 had Taysam Hill never been the starter? Because his point totals dropped tremendously with Taysam Hill because he wasn't catching any passes. One, if Taysam Hill, if Drew Brees never got hurt or two,

if they put in Winston instead, like, Kamara could have had a historic season, not just an historic week 16. Yeah, yeah. because he was on I mean he was he was tremendous and if you top it off with that 56 point game but I don't know with James you know I wish he played it could have been a good audition for him to go be somewhere next year

I have a question do you think the monsters will ever give Carson Wentz his skills back um like that's the best way I could explain like he watching him looks like Charles Barkley in Space Gym right after he gets his skills taken yeah that's tough Carson Wentz probably has the worst fall from grace since RG3 right

that's a pretty interesting parallel, yeah. I think it's interesting to think about it now because Wentz had that really awesome, what is it, in 2017 when he was the MVP or 2018? I can't remember. 2017, he would have been the MVP.

But it's getting to the point where it was so long ago, it's kind of like the, you know, in high school, like, I would have made it. Yeah, that's what I'm saying is like... It's like, you can't talk about how you almost want a VP. Yeah, we all anchored that. We all remember that. It was a great run. But at the same time, it's like, a lot of quarterbacks have had seven or eight team...

seven or eight, ten game runs in their career, and they're not actually that great of quarterbacks. Carson Wentz was unbelievably excellent on third down for 12 games. It has not done it since. That's what happened. And third downs are absolutely not one of those stats that carry over to the next year. They're like pretty random, situational. It's not like someone can be good at third down.

You know what I mean? Like it's one of those things. People are better at it than others. Yeah, people are better at it than others, I'm saying. not a sticky stat that carries over year to year with a lot of, you know, like regularity. So, I don't know. The question I guess is, was Mahomes, or sorry, was Wentz ever that guy? Or is this just more who he is? Like, was that the outlier instead of this season and last same season being the outlier? That is truly unanswerable. Way to go, D.K. You followed the

rubric of the category so well. All right, we're going to finish it up with who won the movie, a.k.a. Who won the year in fantasy? Just, there's no explanation. Bill hates when anybody asks about this. He just goes, stop. You're too complicated. Who won the movie? And they're like, yeah, but what does that mean? He's like, stop. Who won the movie? Camara. I'm going with Josh Allen. Camara and everyone has Camara.

It's Camara. I think it's Camara, too. I think it's Josh Allen. What? Everyone has Camara. He's just thrilled. Okay, fine. It's Camara. Literally a Christmas gift. Yes. Him dropping 56. Christmas miracle. Let's don't forget. D.K.

doesn't have him because he lost to Camara. Like, what happens on the windier on the other side of a Christmas miracle? I also lost to Camara, but I am man enough to admit it. Yeah, D.K., the wounds are still fresh. Camara's the winner. It's Camara. Congrats to Alvin Camara. McCaffrey won at the year before, and this one was extra sweet because just a Christmas thing was unbelievable.

Which, it's the greatest fantasy single performance of all time. I still think it was Josh Allen. All right, that'll do it. Fantasy rewatchables 2020. How to go for you guys? I liked it. It was fun. It makes me want to listen to the rewomen.

watchables. Well, that's good. That's all this was was an advertisement for the rewatchables. I'm serious. It's a very good podcast, by the way.

Go check it out. So we'll be back next week, Mondays and Fridays for the playoffs. We won't be here on Friday this week because of the holiday. But on Monday, we will let you guys know about our new format

for our Friday shows, which is really fun. So stick around for that. Thank you, Danny. Thank you, Danny. Thank you, Bill, who is the real Lorne of the ringer for letting us do this.

And also, thank you, Lauren. Thank you, Jurassic 5. Ooh. That's a good one, D.K. All right, everybody. We will see you next week. Happy New Year.