The Ringer NFL Show - The 2022 Fantasy Rewatchables: The Season in Review

Episode Date: January 11, 2023

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So you can check all that out. Coming up today on this podcast, Broncos country. Let's ride. It's the 2022 fantasy rewatchables. We're here. I'm here with Danny Hyvitz and Danny Kelly, my beloved colleagues and friends, dear friends, to talk about a really entertaining and roller coaster ride of a 2022 fantasy football season. I feel like it started really hot and electric and everybody's team was scoring 140 points. We were all having a good time. And then like it collapsed. There was a polar vortex. What happened? Bomb cyclone.

Bomb Cyclone wiped everybody's fantasy teams out, and it just kind of went down from there. Highfits, how was your fantasy experience in 2022? Across my leagues, I've never had more champions who just had like 79 points in the final week at the season. I know. Championship in my high school league was like 80 to 83. Seven and seven teams ruled in the playoffs this year.

More seven and seven teams won championships than ever before. I mean, Sal on Bill's pod was talking about, he slipped into the sixth seat in the playoffs. He went like six and eight and then end up he won the whole thing. I think that was an archetype though this season. That's like a really important point because a lot of the players that dragged you to the postseason,

Jalen Hertz, Josh Jacobs, Travis Kelsey were incredible. And Justin Jefferson's in that group, Devante Adams, and they kind of dive bombed at the end. Like Kelsey was like fine in the fantasy playoffs. He was fine. He wasn't that good. He wasn't that great. He was fine. Jalen Hertz obviously got hurt.

Justin Jefferson had his worst game of the season in the chain. He got you to the chance. championship but has worst game this season. One catch? Or zero catches? I can't remember one catch. One. He had the first game since 2018 at LSU. We had one catch. Meanwhile, the guys that you scraped into the playoffs with, like a George Kittle, or adding Jerich McKinnon, those were the best players in fantasy.

Oh, my gosh. So many stars, like, completely fizzled in those final two, three weeks. I wanted to run through the top 12 scores at each position to see where everybody kind of finished the year. So I'm going to start with quarterback here. I'll just go one through 12. Number one, Jalen Hertz, and I'm doing points per game. So Hertz only played 15 games.

So like the overall quarterback was Mahomes because he played all 17. But I'm doing points per game. Hertz was number one. Josh Allen was second. Patrick Mahomes three. Then it went Joe Burrow, Justin Fields at five, Lamar Jackson, Kyler-Marie still at six,

Daniel Jones at eight. Sorry, Kyloor at seven. Daniel Jones at eight, Gino Smith, Tua, Trevor Lawrence, and then rounding it out at 12 was Kirk. Kurt! Kirk! I feel like the things that stand out to me there it's got to be fields at five,

Daniel Jones at eight, and Gino at nine, right? 100%. How did Daniel Jones do this? This is perplexing. I know that it's running. The easy answer is he ran more than you'd think, but he had no receivers,

like, at all. He ran for 700 yards and seven touchdowns. He was second and quarterback rushing, third in quarterback rushing touchdowns, only behind hurts and fields. I mean, that's pretty crazy. I think it's really simple. It's that the rushing quarterbacks

are the guys who took over. It's, I mean, you mentioned Josh Allen and her. It's Mahomes plus the rushing guys and then Burrough too. But like, Justin Fields, I believe, had the most rushing fantasy points of any quarterback ever. And he had the second most rushing yards by a quarterback ever. And then you have Daniel Jones who just ended up scoring all these touchdowns. And I think that that honestly was the theme of the year.

It sucks that one of our favorite guys having the season was Trey Lance. But overall, we were on the Russian quarterback thing. Alan, Jalen Hertz, Justin Fields were all incredible. Honestly, Justin Fields, you might have been able to add because he was so bad for the first month and then he came on strong. But overall, I'm curious for you guys think, because with this season, and I can rant forever about fantasy quarterback rules, which I kind of think are dumb, not going to lie. And I almost feel like it's literally a loophole that quarterbacks can even score this many points with the rushing and the passing. We don't have to get into that right now, but

we thought you were not going to rant. You indicated you weren't going to rant. And Hyattz's mine, that was not a rant. That's scary. All right. Continue. My question, though, is I feel like quarterbacks for the next season coming up will be drafted as early as ever. Like I think Josh Allen, Mahomes, Jalen Hertz are like second round picks for a lot of people next year. It's funny. I have completely reversed how I feel about quarterbacks and fantasy. I totally used to think you could wait, get a Kirk Cousins, get a fringe, top 12 guy,

they'll be fine. And now it feels like it's a lost season unless you have one of the big three or four guys, like these hybrids, these Josh Allen hurts. You can toss Mahomes in there because he's an alien. And like Lamar, you need these guys that can do both. now because what's crazy is like 10 years ago, right? Peyton Manning had that great statistical season, one of the greatest ever, 55 touchdowns. He threw for 55 touchdowns and almost 5,500 yards.

He averaged 25 fantasy points a game that year, which is what Jalen Hertz did this year. Wow. That's the point, though. That's the point, though. The entire reason that fantasy football scoring went like this was because quarterbacks were... Is this going to be a rant? I thought you said you weren't going to rant. I'm just saying 25 past...

We get it. We know. But I'm just saying... Like, why shouldn't rushing yards for quarterbacks be capped too? Like, isn't it kind of crazy that, that what Craig just said, that Peyton Manning setting the all-time record for passing touchdowns is just what Jalen Hertz casually did? Isn't that kind of proof that this is not working? He was awesome.

And what he did with his legs was very difficult on defenses. I don't really care, to be honest. Here's the deal. Here's why the rushing quarterbacks are so important in fantasy. Because they're basically spotting you a touchdown in almost every game. Here's the rushing fantasy points per game for, the like quote unquote like hybrid quarterbacks Justin Fields averaged 10.8

fantasy points per game just rushing Jalen Hertz 10.3. Lamar Jackson 7.7. Josh Allen 7.4. Daniel Jones 7. So this is like more than a touchdown for these guys. You're essentially getting like more or less a free touchdown added on to these guys in scoring rushing touchdown. So I think this is really really important in fantasy and the crucial thing is like he can be kind of a

bad passer like Justin Fields did not look good as a passer. He was still really fantasy relevant. Also, you know, like Manning did that in 2013, averaging 25 fantasy points your game. And then there was like nobody else. Like if you go back and look at that year, like there's like a kind of a big drop off to the number two quarterback. So what's interesting is when you go back and look at like 2009 to 2014, you go like 10, 12 years ago, there are still like the top quarterback every year is putting up the same numbers fantasy-wise that the top guy is this year. Like Manning put up 25 a game.

Hertz puts up 25 a game. But the difference now is there's like four or five guys putting up 24, 25 a game. Like when you go back, it was like you needed like Aaron Rogers in 2011 had this like crazy breakout year. You need the outlier game. Yeah, it was Michael Vic one year. It was Cam Newton's MVP year.

But now we're basically getting those like outlier seasons from four or five guys every single year, which to me now it feels like, especially with this year, you know, the death of the quarterback middle class, right? If you drafted Matt Stafford, Russell Wilson, Justin Herbert, Tom Brady, you cratered. And so you need these top four, five-ish guys now because they consistently put up those outlier numbers every single week. Fantasy football almost feels like the real NBA in that the quarterbacks are so good

that if you just have one of the four guys, because the thing is with Josh Allen, Hertz, all these quarterbacks who can pass and run really well, they raise the floor and the ceiling every week. And it's kind of like in the NBA, if you're trying to win a title without one of like the five or six best players in the league, you can do it. It's just way easier if your best player will always give you 18 and has a really good chance to give you 40. It'd be really interesting to look at some of the champions from this year and see what like the worst quarterback, in one quarterback league's like what's the worst quarterback you won a championship with this year? Right. And those teams, I feel like you just had to get lucky, right? You had to have a Josh Jacobs

and a Monroe St. Brown. Like you had to just strike gold on the wide receiver running back position. But if you had an average draft at the running back wide receiver position and you just drafted Josh Allen and Joe Burrow, you probably were a top three C. Right. Okay. I have some more thoughts on quarterback scoring later, much to D.K.'s chagrin. Running backs.

Top 12 running backs. Austin Echler finished the year at number one overall points per game. Up next, McCaffrey, Derek Henry, Josh Jacobs was four, Sequin at five, then it went Nick Chubb. I'm counting Breeze Hall. He only played seven games, but that's enough for me. He was seventh. Then eight is Joe Mixin.

Nine was Tony Pollard. Ten is James Connor. Eleven. Jamal Williams. And 12 was Aaron Jones. I mean, the notables here, Jamal Williams, the RB 11.

Yeah. He was essentially undrafted this year. He's now, like, oh, I'm going to have to bounce my grandkin on my knee, and he's going to ask, were the two best running backs ever, Barry Sanders and Jamal Williams? Not even close.

I would also say James Connor just kind of like sneaky hanging out at number 10 year long Tony Pollard at 9 and then Breece Hall might be a fantasy star

and I'm curious where he goes next year in drafts if he's healthy right well that's a big question with Breece's is he gonna be ready to go because he suffered an ACL injury in week seven or eight

or whatever it was seven or game seven for him yeah and you know I think it's gonna be really close like he's probably going to be we're going to be talking about like, oh, is he going to be ready to go in training camp in preseason? Like, you know what I mean?

So it's going to be very close when he gets back. I think the Tony Pollard truthers having their moment in the sun was probably pretty nice. I was a Tony Pollard truther for like three years. Finally paid off. So that was lovely. He was awesome. He actually outscored Zeke. And then James Connor, just nobody will acknowledge that he's number 10.

Nobody will talk about it next year. He's just so big and slow. It's like, how is this guy so good? I don't understand it. We're just going to set this over here. and no one's going to talk about it and then next year he'll go in like the fifth round. I refuse to acknowledge it.

Don't you guys think though with running back kind of felt like a coin flip this year and it kind of always feels like that. Like if you look at the top 10 in an ADP average draft position, the top 10 running backs drafted this year, let me go through them and I'm going to say hit or miss. Jonathan Taylor, miss. McCaffrey hit, Eckler hit, Derek Henry hit.

But then you go Najee Harris, miss. Dalvin Cook, I'm considering a miss. he was the 13th overall running back. Joe Mixon, relative hit. DeAndre Swift, huge miss. Camara, pretty big miss. And Nick Chubb hit. So it really does feel like if you want a running back

in the top 10, 15 picks of your draft, just flipping a coin. Which is why I don't like doing it. I don't like that, yeah. That makes me feel uncomfortable. I think this steps on the receivers a little bit, but if you just go over the top receivers... Yeah, you want me to do that right now?

Because you're right. It dovetails nicely. The top 12 wide receivers. I'm counting Cooper Cup. nine games. Number one still. Number two, Justin Jefferson. Three, Tyree Kill. Four, Devonte Adams. Five, Jamar Chase. Six, Stefan Diggs. You can notice a trend here. These are all the top guys. Seven, AJ Brown, eight, C.D. Lamb. Nine, a Monroe, St. Brown. Ten, DeAndre Hopkins. 11, Keenan Allen, 12, Jalen Waddle. So it's like, it's chalk. It's pretty much just chalk.

If you subscribe to the whole, like, you could lose in the first round, you can't win in the first round theory, like, that was a big one this year. And I think that if you throw on Travis Kelsey, who is basically a wide receiver gets to play in tight end, if you look at just the non running backs in the top 20, literally all of them delivered for you except Debo Samuel. And Debo had to deal with quarterback changes three times and Debo got hurt. But I mean, literally every receiver in tight end in the top 20 basically worked out. Whereas the running backs increasingly think, what do they say about the Targaryians and Game of Thrones? It's like the gods flip a coin and they just see, you know what I mean? And that's like the running back. They're crazy?

Yeah, exactly. That's the running backs. It's like Jonathan Taylor wasn't even considered the number one pick. We had Christian McCaffrey at number one, which worked out. But Jonathan Taylor wasn't considered the number one picked this year because he had like the potential for a record breaking season. Jonathan Taylor was considered number one because he was safe. Right.

And he ended up. You get the volume. And he ended up being bad, when healthy, and then he got hurt. So overall, I think that looking ahead to next season, I think that a trend of this season. It's like receivers and tight ends are going to, I think, we'll have fewer running backs in the first round next year than I think we've had in like a decade, maybe like a really, maybe ever, because it's like there's three locks. And then it's receivers and Kelsey in the first round. And I think quarterbacks will start trickling in the second round. Is fantasy finally

reflecting real NFL in terms of which positions they value the most in least? I hope so. I don't know. Everything ebbs and flows. It's like the real life, you know, with the NFL where it's, you know, it seems nice and neat. But then as soon as offense gets. going, then, you know, they just put the two safeties back and then suddenly everything is. But who's, I mean, who's the number one pick next year? It's McCaffrey, right? Or is it Justin Jefferson? I think that it's up to you.

Take Travis Kelsey, no matter of it. That's, just do it. It's up to you. I think that if you want someone, like, look, receivers are easier to predict and don't get hurt as much as running backs do. McCaffrey, I do think he will be the number one running back. But also, we have a memento tattoo to never draft Shanahan running back. So we'll have to figure out how to reconcile that.

Yeah, I don't know what to do with this situation. The point is, though, it's McCaffrey, Austin Echler, Sequin, and then, you know, our top running backs. Josh Jacobs would probably be at the back of the first. It goes back to the Raiders. After that, it's receivers in Kelsey in the first round. You know, there's all these other running backs of, like, extremely high upside, but not quite certainty

that I think will be in the second and third. It's going to be a really interesting year, but it could be nine receivers that are the top 12. We need to do the DeAndre Swift rankings next year of the most tantalizing players that actually have incredibly low floors if it doesn't work out. Like, you may as well just draft Derek Henry

if you want what you think DeAndre Swift is going to give you, right? Like, Brees Hall could be another one of those guys. He'll be super tantalizing. He's young. He's sexy. He's coming off a torn ACL. People are going to talk themselves, you know, that that will be fine. But it's like, you know what?

If you just want Breece Hall's production, you could probably just draft Derek Henry and you can get it. It won't look as cool. But when you check the stat sheet, it's going to be the same number. You know what I mean? The mystery boxes. It could be anything, even Derek Henry. Right.

Yeah. With receiver, it really does just feel like if you're not going to get one of the top guys, it's just like, can you find the Amman Ra in which two years ago it was, can you find the Cooper Cup? That's really hard. And it's why I think you should just go draft Tyree Kill or Devonte Adams or something, because being the one who randomly stumbles upon the diamond in the rough, that's the fifth six-rounder who's going to become a top ten guys is really difficult.

I think next year there are so many ways to win. I do think I'm more open than ever to just get the best people and figure out the, like just punt on a position. Like I'm so much more open to just give me Travis Kelsey in the first. And then maybe I'll take like, you know, Stefan Diggs or Devante. And then I'm just going to like reach egregiously for Josh Allen. And you know what I mean? And maybe I'll just take like 11 running backs or something.

Not really, but I have increasingly open to just simplifying my life. Yeah. I'm going to radicalize my draft strategy next year. I might not take a running back until like the seventh round. All right, let's go to tight end here. You mentioned Kelsey. Top 12 tight ends.

Tight end is so weird every year. What's funny is like the top four kind of actually rounded out to what it kind of was at the beginning of the season a little bit. But here we go. Top 12. Number one, Travis Kelsey by landslide.

Then George Kittle, somehow, after the first 10 weeks doing nothing, managed to finish second overall. Snuck in. Then went Mark Andrews, T.J. Hawkinson, Dallas Goddert, Zach Ertz, Taysome Hill at number seven. Evan Ingram at number eight,

David and Joku at nine, Darren Waller at number 10, Dalton Schultz at 11, and Dossett Knox at 12. It should be noted. The last like four or five guys you said were like not really helping anybody in fantasy. Even though they were like top 10,

top 12 tight ends, it was like they were okay. They were fine. They scored seven points a game. Yeah, so the difference between Kelsey scoring 15 a game and the number 12 guy was seven a game. Kelsey essentially doubled the worst starting tight end and your fantasy league. Yeah.

And that's the key point. So Travis Kelsey, if you even get rid of the 17th game, just do the 16 games, third most fantasy points ever for a tight end. But if you consider the gap between him and everyone else, it actually was the most valuable tight end season ever in fantasy, or at least since like Ellen Winsel like 40 or five years ago.

And who was playing fantasy then other than like Bill. Bill. Yeah. By carrier pigeon. Exactly. Just like actual The Pony Express. But Kelsey's value this season, like again, I'm doing the Memento tattoo of just getting.

him next year because, one, the headache of not having to deal with the streaming tight-down every week mixed with the fact that the first half of the season, Kelsey and Mark Andrews were equal. But after Lamar got hurt, Mark Andrews both got hurt, and then, like, Mark Andrews just fell off. After that, it's kind of a misnomer to say anyone was close to Kelsey because George Kittle was only good in the playoffs. If you missed the playoffs, George Kettle, like, really didn't get you there at all. And you probably missed the playoffs because you had George Kittle. Yeah.

And then all the other players you mentioned, Evan Ingram, that his, his year is bolstered by like one 40 point week where he might have been on waivers. Never mind not starting for you. He jumped like 12 spots in the rankings probably from that one game. Taysam Hills in there with a 40 point game that I'm sure nobody was playing Taysam Hill. And Tj. Hawkinson was also in there with a 40 point game where more people playing in the Tassim Hill. Yeah. But the first one, he might have been on your bench.

But the point being only Kelsey's the auto lock that was in there. his season's even more valuable than it looks, and it's the most valuable season ever. Yeah, and then the other guys in the top 12 got hurt. Dallas Goddard got hurt. You missed the fantasy playoffs with him. Zach Hertz got hurt out for the year. Darren Waller was hurt all season. And Joku was hurt for a while. And Jokku was hurt for a while. Shultz was hurt for a while. I mean, again, if you do the same, if you do the hit or miss thing for tight end, based on ADP, it's like Kelsey was a hit. Andrews was a hit, I guess. Kyle Pitts, huge miss, obviously. Darren Waller, pretty substantial miss.

Dalton Schultz was the tight end six in ADP. I would consider him a miss. And then Hawkinson, I guess, was a hit. But once again, it's Kelsey, it's a little bit of Andrews, and then it's a wasteland. And I don't know what the hell we're doing

with Kyle Pitts next year. I didn't even think of it this way. Let's just not talk about him. I didn't even think of it this way, but Kelsey, you know, was like, oh, is he going to decline? Is he too old? The only person who didn't decline at all

and didn't miss games was at Todd Ed. Travis Kelsey. The irony? Don't you think sometimes that like the oldest guys are the best at not missing games because they put so much effort into like making sure their body is the best that can be? It's like I, LeBron maybe 38, but LeBron's not going to get hurt because LeBron knows he's 38. Yeah. Well, yeah, so he plays like he knows he's 38.

Right, right. You know? Yes. He knows he's mortal. Yeah. Right. Other than like Najee Harris, who won't step out of bounds and is just going to lower his shoulder to everybody he sees.

Travis Kelsey knows what he's doing. It's like Tyler Lockett. Tyler Lockett just dives on the floor the second he catches the ball. We should in fact be lauding Tyler Lockett for like collapsing when he's within five yards of anyone else. Yeah.

So any of the thoughts on tight end? We can get into the categories. I'm serious. I want a tattoo that on my forehead that says draft Travis Kelsey next year. Just do it. Okay. All right.

So we're going to run through a bunch of categories here. A lot of them are very similar to the rewatchables categories. We've tweaked them to work for fantasy purposes. Some of them are seamless. Some of them take a bit of explaining, but that's the case with the regular rewatchables. So let's start with...

We actually discussed before the show. Should we be like a little more specific on this? And we're like, no, it's not in the spirit of the show if we all understand the categories. Yeah. You know, it adds to the charm that nobody knows what Apex Mountain. Right.

Okay, so it's also great whenever they have... Because Bill is such a unique person because he knows so much about pop culture and movies. It's great when they have a, or I mean, and sports. It's great when they have like Aaron Sorkin. And then Bill asked, or like Michael Mann. And they're like, all right, the Dion Waiters Award. And Michael Mann's like 80 years old.

He's like, I don't know what that is. He's like, Dion Waders is a guy. It's, it's comedy. Okay, so most rewatchable scene, which we're translating to most rewatchable play. Most memeable, maybe. Yeah, just like, what, Redmond is. I'm going to read, I'm going to run through like five or six. You guys tell me what I missed and we can pick our winner, okay?

Number one, I think, the runaway to Jacoby Myers, lateral to Chandler Jones to lose the game, to probably kick them out of the playoffs. Chandler Jones, like completely stiff arms, Mac Jones into the ground. Yeah, I mean, that's the worst play. That's the biggest mistake I've seen, since like Romo fumbling the hold on the PAT or the field color that was. it is that's a good one Craig because like the Roman comparison because it is on the short list of the worst plays of the century

and here's the I rewatched it a bunch of times this morning for the show how many times like six he's a professional he's a professional he really rewatched it most rewatchable scene that's the rewatchables I Jacoby Myers will always be remembered for this play but the funniest thing that happened is that is the Chandler Jones throwing Mac Jones to the ground like he's a child like that is the part of the

The play doesn't hit the same if it's not like Mac Jones collapsing like he's made of like paper mache. If I was Jacoby Myers' PR team, I would be throwing all of the shade at Mac Jones for not making that tackle. Yeah. Or just hire a bunch of Russian bots.

Water cooler talk. Oh my God, did you see that Mac Jones tackle attempt? That was terrible. I mean, Jacoby was trying to make a play, you know, score, touchdown for the team. What was Mac doing? I increasingly do think it was Ramonjo-Stevens.

fault for giving him the first ball. He started the, I know, what the hell is he doing? And you know what, the Romo thing? It's actually not comparable because Romo was genuinely just like doing what he was supposed to. He just, the ball fell out of his hands. He just slipped. Jacobi Myers was completely like, he went off, he went totally off script. Yeah, but Jacoby Myers is like, it's like, you're just like walking with your friends somewhere and then your friend's like, here, catch this. And your friend like stole money from the store. And you're like, oh my God, what do I do it with this and then you go down for the crime and it's like you just got a hand of this ball you're like oh we're doing the lateral thing now uh okay i don't think anything's gonna top that but we can try

next up i have uh the justin jefferson catch in that bill's valcouverous game the one-handed catch in the fourth quarter uh was pretty remarkable the one thing about that catch is i feel like the cornerback half caught the ball for justin jefferson and like wasn't the odell or anything like that they suspended it in the air together yes and then he kind of wrestled it away on the ground it's the only catch I think I've ever seen where the replay made me more confused about how we caught the ball. It was like an optical illusion watching the replay of this guy. I was going to say that too.

To me, that was the most impossible looking catch I've ever seen. There's no way it should have worked. It wasn't the best catch or the most impressive, but you're right. Improbable is a better way to say it. Next one, this one is fresh. The Naima Heinz kick return for a touchdown in the bill's first game since the Demonstive. Hamlin injury. Yeah.

I feel like that. And he did it again. He did it twice in the game, which is pretty remarkable. The reactions on the sideline are what made it for me. Like the whole Bill's team is just jumping and hugging and crying. And like, like, Hifett said on the show the other day, it's like, God? Like, is that you? Shit, maybe I need to like get more related.

Maybe I need to go to church is what's happening here. I know. I really did kind of turn around. And it's also hard to describe to somebody who doesn't watch sports. Like, I was trying to talk to Liz. I was like, so like, she knew about the Debar Hamlin injury, and I was like, but like, so the first play of the game, the kick returner, and this doesn't normally happen. Usually you don't even, like return kicks. Usually just take a kneel. He returns it to start the game Buffalo. And he scores and everybody went crazy. And she was like, oh, cool. And I was like, no, no, no, you don't get it. That like really doesn't happen. You're like, God is real. God is real. I don't want to step on Apex Mountain, but I think Neheme Hind's Apex Mountain is being an actual vessel for the Almighty himself. Right. Divide intervention,

channeling itself through naï minds. Oh my God. Yeah. Next one, this isn't a play, but it's it's a game slash a moment. The Vikings coming back from down 33 to zero in the second half to beat Jeff Saturday in the cold. Wasn't the Jefferson catch in that? No, that was the Bill's game. Which was also where they got the fourth and goal and then the bills fumbled at the one.

That was a crazy game too, with the Jefferson. But the 33-0 comeback. you know, Matt Ryan, it's not, we have an award coming up, the opposite of Apex Mountain. That would be, yeah. If it was any other quarterback than Matt Ryan, it would have been the opposite of Apex Mountain,

but unfortunately it wasn't for Matt. But that was pretty wild. Greatest comeback in NFL history, we should say. Next one. This one is a bit nicheer, and I actually didn't remember this, so maybe it doesn't qualify, but when I went back and I was watching a bunch of plays from this year,

I totally forgot about it, but it was so funny. Tyreek Hill picking up the fumble versus the Chargers and running it 50 yards for a touchdown and then also the fantasy chaos that ensued you don't get the yards for that

just get the touchdown. That was wild. A couple more here and then I'll let you guys get in. Baker's comeback versus the Raiders, I think. Ooh, the touchdown catch at the end there. To Van Jefferson, it was like a 90-yard drive in like the final minute. And then

next one, PJ Walker Hail Mary to DJ Moore to tie the game against the Falcons. Oh my God. I forgot about that. They then missed the PAT, which forces overtime, and then they lose. I forgot about that. That's a good one. That's fantastic.

Okay. What do you guys got? That's what I have. So I just want to add a few that we didn't discuss, which is the butt punt. Yeah, that was the only other one on my list. Which I think is hilarious because it's not as good as the butt fumble, but the fact that because the dolphins were so deep in the end zone, they used this camera angle on punts

that they don't usually do, and it just so happened to be like the perfect camera angle for the butt punt. Like, if the NFL ever ended up being rigged, I would go back and look at this play because I couldn't believe that they happened to be using the camera. And the other one,

the whole, like, Travis Kelsey catching four touchdowns on Monday night football against the Raiders. It's kind of more of like just a performance, but that was just an insane overall sequence. I also want to shout out the like 40 catches the Steelers had this year. that didn't count. That were the best catch

had ever seen. George Pickens himself, you know, I was thinking if I had to pick a player for most of your watchable scene this year, my number one pick is Devonty Adams, who I think have like four of the best

10 catches of his career this year. Dude, some of his late hands catches, have you guys noticed this? He's the best at, like, he doesn't, he's just running down the sideline and he doesn't even, like, move his hands because, like,

obviously that's sort of a signal to a trailing corner. If you put your hands up, they get their hands up too. he just is so incredibly good at like just not moving his hands until the very last instant where the ball hits him in the hands. It's like insane how good he is at that. It's so true. I think the craziest upset of this whole thing is that I don't think I had even seriously considered anything could possibly beat the Jacobi Myers lateral. But the kickoff that the bills

just did is pretty incredible. Yeah. They will both be remembered for very different reasons. but I do think 10 years from now, I will remember both of those plays. On the internet negativity thrives and things that make fun of other people thrive much more than things that are proof of God. I feel like that doesn't age well on social media and our modern rotted culture will forget

messages from above. I'm always going to remember the moment I saw Chandler Jones just stuff him into a locker and then run for a touchdown and the game was over. It's just so amazing. DK, do you have any other most-re-watchable? You guys covered it well, but it was cool to, you jogged my memory about the George Pickens, like impossible catch where you like reach back behind him and like, like that was like on

par with the Odell Beckham catch in terms of degree of difficulty, the way it looked. It was amazing. It was just on Thursday night football and not Sunday night football. It was like the main difference. What's age of the best? I'm going to start off with a little tutute for us, us ranking Christian McCaffrey over Jonathan Taylor. There you go. Not bad.

Also, our love for Sequin Barkley, share. And Sequan's like resurgence. That's aged beautifully. And now the- What was he? The RB5, you said? Yes, RB5. I'll take that. Not bad. Giants are probably going to have to resign him now, Hyphus. Oh, yeah. If I have to, right? Going to have to.

That's fine. I also want to say next one, Amon-Raw-St. Brown's second half of 2021 not being a fluke has aged really well. There was like a huge divide, I feel like, in the fantasy community of, did he just get hot when it didn't matter for the lion? and it was a flash in the pan. This is because like a bunch of guys were hurt or whatever. Right.

And then it turned out he's probably a top 10 receiver in the league or has a top 10 kind of like fantasy role in the league. My favorite West Age is the Best for fantasy purposes is selling high on Clyde Edwards Hilaire. Oh my God. The greatest sell high in the history of fantasy football. Yeah. The dude went from a top three running back in fantasy to literally inactive for

like the last five games in the season. Yeah. What has that ever happened before? I had a couple people were tweeting at me like, thank you for doing the Cloud Edwards-Dillera, like, sell high thing and telling me some of the trades they made, like, it was incredible. One guy traded C-E-H for Jamal Williams, which looks brilliant, obviously, now. And there was a couple other pieces in that trade, but it's like, yeah, that was the perfect

opportunity. That's exactly what we're talking about with selling high. High fits, what do you have? I want to shout out one one out to tutor on horn just being in on mobile quarterbacks the mobile quarterbacks aged really well unfortunately we went hardest on tre lance who got hurt immediately but every other mobile quarterback as we were talking about earlier hurts fields Daniel Jones like it all aged really well and I want to shout out dek if you're being really high on all the rookie receivers like you know pickins obviously was a little frustrating but crystal lobby Garrett wilson were fantastic so

oh yeah those guys were definitely like startable for you for a big chunk of the season so that was helpful. That's just what I always want to hammer home is you can never really know who the receiver is going to be, who the rookie receiver is going to be that's going to go off. I mean, you can definitely like make an educated guess. But like there's always going to be like one or two guys that are really startable down the stretch for you. So just that's like a lesson to learn going into next year. I also wanted to shout out Warren's sharp strength of schedule is aging very well because it is it just identified like the Eagles as being a potential, like the Eagle's schedule so easy that they would be a potential number one seed in the NFC.

That happened. And it identified the giants who were awful as being a playoff team. And that happened too. Nice. Adding to the tooting our own horn thing. Because we've talked about this in the past. Like this is half like what things have aged well and then also what takes of ours of age well.

We had Justin Jefferson, I believe, is the overall wide receiver one over what's his face? Cooper Cup. And that actually ended up aging well even though Cooper Cup got hurt. It's not really our skill, I guess, but still. TK., did you hurt Cooper Cup? When he was overperforming, did you get in there? That was, I'm not going to say that on live radio here. Did you eye Tanya Cooper Cup?

Oh, my gosh. The other things I will mention that aged well, people who had sour grape takes about Russell Wilson, aged well. It sounded like sour grapes over the offseason for Seahawk fans when we were saying, dude can't throw over the middle of field. He can't really run anymore.

Like, they got to build an offense around and that's going to be really supporting him. It sounded like sour grapes at the time. Guess what? Maybe we were right. And then just one last thing. My distrust of Michael Thomas. Yeah. I think I was, you could, I don't remember if I said it on the show or just to you guys,

but I was like, you can have them. Like, I don't want to fucking deal with this at all in that age well. That was my biggest miss of the year. He's just so unreliable. I don't know what's his deal. D.K. discussed Michael Thomas. with the wisdom of someone who's already like been, he's too old to have toxic relationships.

Totally. Or it's like me being 28 years old and I'm like, I'm going to buy a condo and get a dog and get married in the same year. And DK.'s like, you're a fucking moron. Wait, that'll go well. That's the moisture in the walls, Craig. Just don't open the walls, is my point. My condo needs like a ton of work.

Should I do that? I'm getting married in six months. You know what's funny, though, about Michael Thomas is, so when I read the top 12 finishing wide receivers this year, I excluded Michael Tombs because he only played three games, but he was ninth. He was the wide receiver nine. I mean, he was playing well. And that was never like part of, that was never part of my argument that he's bad.

It was that I don't trust him to just stop playing football at some random point. That was smart. Smart choice. Last one that I wanted to throw out here, the Jags decision to hire Duck Peterson is aging beautifully. He turned that team around. That's all. Can I change that to the Jags decision to fire Urban Meyer? Right.

That too. Anybody but Urban, essentially. Yeah, the Jags are like a real team this year. And by the way, have Calvin Ridley joining the squad next year, which I feel like nobody talks about. Yeah. All right, what's age of the worst? Feel like you have to lead with the Russell Wilson trade for Denver?

Not a great decision. And drafting Russell Wilson and fantasy football? We might have to change the name of this award to the Russell Wilson, what's age of the worst award perhaps. Yeah. Craig, my take was a little more specific. Russell Wilson paying a marketing firm $3 million to come up with Broncos country. Let's ride.

Age the worst. Did it, though? Because he just led this pod. I also made that up. I don't think he paid $3 million to a marketing firm. It was probably a little less. But he definitely didn't come up with that on his own. I will say, I was looking at Russ.

The last, I'm not going to say there's reason for optimism. He's definitely going to be better next year. Just say it. Because I agree. last five weeks of the season weeks 14 to 18 he was the number six quarterback in fantasy football yeah he's gonna be better he's gonna be better

in fantasy he will probably be better only because he couldn't be worse and again we had to have a segment at the end of the end of the season about how many tight ends had outscored Russell Wilson so yes he'll get better because it can't be worse I will say this

the the trade is still on the short list of the worst trades that have ever been made because the combo of giving him 160 million guaranteed and giving up all the picks just so that the Seahawks could go to the fucking playoffs and the Seahawks could get the Broncos pick. What did that pick end up being fifth? Five.

So they gave up the fifth pick instead of them going to the playoffs. And so here's the thing, even if Russ gets better, even if he improves, which we're assuming in real life, he might not get the, they've already wasted an incredible season from the Broncos defense. And the Broncos, the defense lasts like four years the Broncos have had is basically the best defense to never go to the playoffs, like ever. So I apologize for, someone said this on Twitter. apologize for not remembering who it was exactly. But the,

if you do the math in terms of like what you'd expect the draft compensation to be for Russell. So in other words, like on the Jimmy Johnson chart, each draft pick gives a certain numerical value. That's how they build trade. That's how teams build trades that use this chart, whatever. I'm sure the Broncos were expecting it to be like the 25th pick or, or worse. Like, right? Like it was going to be towards the end of the back half of the first round. We're not going to be giving up that much value. The difference between what they probably expect, and what they gave the Seahawks is worth like an additional first round pick

in terms of value, in terms of the draft value chart. So, like, basically, the Seahawks actually got, like, four first round picks because the value is just so absurd. The Seahawks could trade back out of that spot and get another first rounder, you know what I mean? So that's obviously not really what happened. The fifth pick in the draft is worth, like, two 25th overall picks.

Exactly, exactly, yeah. That's, okay, so the Russell's trades bad, Craig. Can I take this a step further and what's age the worst? Yeah. Trades. all the trades The Carson went to trade

Every trade Every trade except for two went horribly The Russell Wilson trade is maybe the worst It is in the four American major league sports The Russell Wilson trade might be one of the worst Five or Ten ever The Packers traded away Devante Adams Immediately needed a wide receiver of three months

And missed the playoffs And then the guy that got the pick for From Devante Adams was Quay Walker Who shoved a trader on Sunday football The Titans trading away A.J. Brown looks incredibly stupid and got John Robinson, their GM fired. The Colts traded for Matt Ryan,

he kind of destroyed their season. Washington traded for Carson Wentz. He definitely destroyed their season. The Cowboys traded away Amari Cooper and then immediately misread the market and then have needed a wide receiver from the day they traded to Murray Cooper to today, it is still like the biggest problem

with their offense is they don't have a receiver aside from Cid Lam. The Bears traded the 32nd pick in the draft for Chase Claypool, who exactly, exactly averaged two catches for 20 yards per game as a bit. bear. The Stafford trade even, which was like historically great for the Rams, is now just like, ah, I see both sides because the Lions has got the sixth overall pick from the Rams. And then, I mean,

every trade, except for like one or two was awful for one of the sides. The Rams won, I'm vetoing. They won the Super Bowl. The Rams one still worked. The Rams one still worked. I'm just saying it's like even that one isn't unambiguously good anymore. It's just like great. You have to, you have to specify, I think, teams trading away superstars is not going to get as well. I do think for the

for the Eagles, the AJ Green trade was awesome. Sorry, the AJ Brown. Brown. Yeah, it's like the Seahawks. The Seahawks end of the Russell Wilson trade is like

one of the best trades ever. Right. Yeah, that's a better way to put it. I will say the Chiefs trading away Terry Kill didn't seem to matter all that much, which is weird. But like, otherwise I completely agree

with this. Also, the Raiders acquiring Devante Adams. I mean, Raiders sucked. They gave up a lot, and now they're like sort of in a weird gray area in terms of rebuilding or trying to like go for it again. Yeah. The other one I think is still to be written is Khalil Mack to the Chargers,

depending what happens to the playoffs. That one could work out well for the Chargers. And the Bears got the first pick, so. More what stage the worst? Not drafting Travis Kelsey and Derek Henry because of attrition or whatever the fuck we diluted ourselves into thinking. this year, like we do every year. Receive, the narrative that receivers on new teams don't succeed,

which Hyatt's kind of touched on. Tyreek, Devonti Adams, A.J. Brown, and even Christian Kirk, and Amari Cooper. All fucking good this year. Did great. Yeah. Austin Eccler's touchdown regression narrative. The guy had 20 touchdowns in 2021.

They said it couldn't be done again. He had 18 this year. And once again, they didn't say it couldn't be done again. They said probabilistically. Probabilistically, it's less likely. There's a great area there. Craig, come on. Probabilistically?

How do you say that? Yeah. Probably. Statistically, I think there's just two words that you're just trying to jam together. It sounded like you wanted to say probably, but wanted to sound smarter than that. Probability-wise. Okay. How about that?

But yeah. Anyway, continue. Usually good players continue to play good, is my point. What else is age to worse? Jeff Saturday? I'm just kind of going to leave that there. Drafting Trey Lance, both in fantasy and probably for the Niners. In real life, right.

I don't know which one's worse, actually. If you draft him in fantasy or if you drafted him as John Lynch, I'm not sure. Haiface is Josh Jacobs call. Yeah. Has to be mentioned. Has to be mentioned. I am not innocent of that completely either. I checked back at our rankings.

I didn't have them ranked very highly either, so are bad. All right, so hi Fitz, how do you feel about Josh Jacobs? We just, you just froze for 20 minutes and had an internet issue. And D.K. and I just literally just when that we brought up Josh Jacobs. Shit just fell apart immediately. Yeah, I don't know. It's weird. My internet just randomly went out, like right as soon as the Josh Jacobs thing came up. That's so odd. God? God.

What are you up to? Yeah, I was wrong. Worst call of the year. Obviously, he was literally like the best player you could have drafted this year. I mean, he lived the NFL in rushing yards. And he also had almost 400 touches. And that led the league. And I think that was fundamentally the mistake I made was like, I underrated his talent.

And I underrated that a new coach and GM would come in and give him the ball more than the coaching team that drafted him. And then he was also even better. And the alignment and everything was better than I thought. And so, yeah, it was totally wrong. He was incredibly good. It's tough. It's tough. I test looks like a top of our running back in the league.

And Nick Boso is like. Best running back I've ever played. Josh Jacobs. Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool. Last one for me here, just, I mean, we have to say it we've been doing it for 18 weeks, but cowpitz. Good God. I mean, is the top five worst NFL or fantasy draft picks ever? Because he was like a third rounder.

Some people maybe took him in a second, like late second. Yeah. And he averaged like six points. and he was hurt after year. Not only did he average six points a game, he only played 10 games. Oh, good God. Honestly, no, it would have been worse,

like, it was nice to drop him. It would have been worse if he had kept playing. It's like cathartic, yeah. I mean, worst pick of the year, right? Maybe Russell Wilson, but even then you can just swap him out for a different quarterback. You could go get Gino Smith at that point or something.

Well, on that note, I would actually go further and say, it's not just pits. I would say what's age of the worst. like pick 30 to 50 all of those players were awful like the entire third that was the dead zone

depending on you count 10 12 14 whatever pick 30 I mean if you just go through these guys Kyle Pitts was right there Michael Pittman I mean just an absolute abomination of a year this year Keenan Allen missed three months T Higgins he was good

Travis CTN was bad he was good for stretch but bad at the beginning Cam Acres was in this stretch trying to quit football David Montgomery was sells DJ Moore was awful until Sam Donald got the job. Cortland Sutton was nothing like what you wanted. Breece Hall towards ACL. George Kittle was great if you made the playoffs, but if not, it was probably

George Kiddles' fault. Terry McLaren was disgusting to the wins was much. Deontay Johnson, most targets ever in his seasoner that a touchdown. Elijah Mitchell immediately got her. Darren Waller barely played. Jacob's barely played. Agee Delano was useless. Like it was Josh Jacobs and then everyone else was a terrible pick. So maybe it's not the running back dead. maybe it's just the fantasy dead zone. It's just a random mix of all these things. But like DJ Moore, I didn't even mention.

Like every player from, if you throw a dart from pick 30-ish to pick 50-ish, it was probably a huge width. Interesting. All right. Any other what age is the worst from you guys? Yeah, I got a couple here. Bill Belichick hiring Matt Patricia and Joe Judge to co-run his offense. It aged exactly like we expected it would be. It would age.

Well, I like that Jacob. Myers play they drew up. That was fun. Okay, so now the 60s seem kind of fucked up. I had that as under probably unanswerable questions of like, why? Why did he do? Why did Matt Patricia get this job? I assume it's because Josh McDaniels was a defensive assistant for Belichick before he became the office coordinator.

But that was for like two years. And then Josh McDanielers was the quarterback coach for two years. Matt Patricia was a defensive quarter of like 10 years. And that, why? It's never made any sense. It's honestly just because Bill Belichick doesn't, he's running out of, like, friends that he likes coaching with. They all have new jobs now.

And he's just like, oh, shit, I guess they go. That's what happens when you get older. You don't have any friends anymore. Yeah, it's hard to make new friends at that age. The other one, Tom Brady's body language. Just fucking all-time lows this year. I struggled to know what to do with Brady. I almost put him under what's age the worst.

But he also, like, made the playoffs and he was probably going to go to Super Bowl. So I don't know. Exactly. I think he's still like a good football player, but his body language was concerning. Like he looked just, I don't even know what the right word is. Like somewhere between sad and mad.

Just distraught. Petulant. No, Mac Jones is petulant. Brady was just more like, I God, I hate my life kind of deal. If there's any quarterback to make sure the offensive line is put together,

it's Brady. I feel like Brady cares about that. Also, because he's 45 years old. He just did not want to get him. hit anymore. He's like done with that. Hi, Fitz. Do you have any age the worst? Yeah, I think Cliff Kingsbury literally aged poorly. Like he was very hot at the beginning of the year. And now he just looks like he's been on like a coked up bender in Vegas and just like a dry-ass sponge bob. I think five coaches hotter than Cliff, to be honest.

Matt is. Really good looking guy. Kevin O'Connell, good-looking dude. There's others out there. Cliff was just tall. Kevin O'Connell got compared to Harry Styles recently. By people without eyes? by a coach. Let me look at this up. Hold on. I forget who it was. Harry.

I'm literally Googling Harry Styles. Hold on, folks. I'm hunting and pecking. You could have done this while my internet was out. Well. He's like, oh, it was my girlfriend who said that, actually. Whoops. Oh, it was, uh, wink,

Wing, Martin Dale. Compared, compared Kevin O'Connell to Harry Styles. If you had asked me to rank every coach that I would have thought had legendary styles. I think winked martindale is like the last guy. Anyway. The other one, the last one aged the worst.

I can't believe he didn't hit it yet. Dude, how about the whole AFC West, best division in the NFL? Maybe best division ever? Dude, these guys suck. The Chiefs won it for like the seventh year in a row. The Chargers eat it in the playoffs. And the Broncos were abominable and the Raiders imploded.

Good call. Yeah, that's tough. And the NFC East, Best Division football, baby. would have thought. Oh, also, aged poorly, just Miami's concussion spotters.

Certainly. That whole situation, yes. Yes. Honestly, the whole concussion saga this year is going to age

extremely poorly and has aged poorly. Yeah, the independent and independent neurological consultant. I feel like they should just let me do it.

I feel like I nail it every time, but anyway. Casting what ifs, which for this show is things that could have been if injury didn't occur or trades didn't happen. In general, if X didn't happen, then

why? I'm going to start with, I really think the Chargers could have been like 14 and 3, you know. If they hadn't got heard, if they hadn't had Joe Lombardi at offensive coordinator. They lost, they lost Roshan Slater, their star left tackle. They lost Joey Bosa. They lost Keenan Allen and they lost Mike Williams. You could argue those are their four most important players that aren't named Justin Herbert. This is just what the Chargers do, Craig. I guess Sherwin James. But, um,

so that's one. And also, I think the Raiders and Vikings could have essentially had each other's seasons if like a butterfly flew in a different direction wouldn't be. Right.

Right. If it flapped its wings, yeah. You know what I mean? Like the Raiders, like had the most blown fourth quarters ever. They lost every one score game

they were in and the Vikings were essentially the opposite. If they just freaky Friday, the Raiders would be 12 and 4 right now. And then Derek Carr would be getting a long-term extension. Yes, right. Like, is there really a difference between Kirk and Derek?

That's a huge point because I didn't have a way to make this like a Netflix series for the Raiders, but they lost that game to Baker Mayfield after he'd been on the team for 48 hours. They lost the sliding doors. I love this. Five, they had five games the Raiders lost where they were up by double digits and no other team's ever lost three. The Raiders see every single Raiders game was like performance art. Who has the, who's going to have the longest career ever that is perennially disappointing? Is it Kirk? Derek Carr?

Kirk's going to play like 16 years as a starter and disappoint his fan base every year. He's going to be the richest quarterback based on purely salary more than anyone ever in like anyone, like in the history of the league ever. You know what else would be a good stat for Kirk? He'll have the most money in salary,

but you know, like Gronk has a ton of endorsements. Does Kirk Cousins have any endorsements? Ivermectin, I think he does. God. He'll be the only guy. 400 million dollars salary. A bunch of bad Midwest like products.

Some like car dealership. He like those infomercials that are on at three in the morning for Minnesota car dealerships. What else do you guys have? What do you have for casting what ifs? What kind of living hell would I be experiencing if the Seahawks hadn't traded Russell Wilson.

Don't you think though they would just be like Russ would have not been Denver, Russ, right? He would have been closer to what we've seen. Yeah, maybe. Or if he was, I guess what I'm saying is if he had played like this in Seattle, like it would have been dark. Yeah. Here's one that I thought.

On that flip side, though, related to that is what if the Broncos had just done what they wanted to do in the first place and got Aaron Rogers? Because they hired Nate Hackett to get Rogers. Rogers thought about great. What if the Broncos had just had Rogers, which was like the plan everyone thought was going to happen? Ooh, that's an interesting one. Because then would Jordan Love be like the hot new quarterback?

He'd be like leading the Packers to the playoffs. maybe. Russ imploding in Seattle. Would Devante Adams had left Green Bay if he would have had some quarterback stability in a future there? What if Seattle just stuck with Drew Locke? Oh, that's a good one, actually.

That's so funny. Oh, my God, what would their offense look like? What would the bill... Sorry, this is a sliding doors thing from like the trade deadline. What would happen, how would the bills look if they had landed Christian McCaffrey and not the 49ers?

Because the 49ers, offense. You look at the splits before and after they had Christian McCaffrey, it's, like, dramatic. Like, he has really elevated their offense. I know there's other variables, but like it does feel like he's such a better fit, though, in San Francisco. On the bills, the bills are too, you know, volatile and, you know, just like chaotic. Josh Allen just wants to throw the ball 70 yards. I don't, the checkdown game and, like, the minutia of making Christian McCaffrey work in all these clever ways. I just don't know if that makes sense for the bills. Yeah, but is that because he has one elite receiver, and Josh Allen has one elite receiver than a bunch of random guys, or is it because

that's who he is? I guess, like, to me, that is the question is, like, would Chris McCaffrey have brought, like, some, like, be that second guy that they just kind of need. They don't have that in that offense right now. It just makes sense to me that McCaffrey is a nineer. Like, I feel like he just works so perfectly with what Shanahan wants to do. He understands the schemes and, like, the way they use him in the passing game is so unique. I don't know if that makes as much sense with the bills, but I see what you're saying. Yeah. Um, um, To keep a couple going here, what would the Saints have looked like

if they decided to go back to James Winston instead of sticking with Andy Dalton? To this day, I don't know why they didn't do that. Yeah. How good would the Browns have been if they just simply hadn't traded for Deshaun Watson? I feel like they might be quite significantly better.

I mean, they could have made the playoffs that Jacoby percent, maybe. Yeah. And this one is very specific, but I'm just like curious because of the ridiculousness that Jericho, McKinnon was in the second half of the year.

Was the Clyde Edwards-Hillair thesis correct all along? Like basically, when Clyde came into a league, he's the first-round pick, he's going to this offense, Andy Reid has always made running backs into these elite fantasy producers. He's with Patrick Mahomes on one of the best offenses in the NFL. People freaked out, thought Clyde Edwards-Layer was going to be the next superstar in fantasy. I fell for it. I feel like most, a lot of people fell for it. We thought he was going to be Brian Westbrook, essentially.

Right. And at the end of the day, he has been a massive bust. Basically, every other running back on the team is, like, better than him at this point. But the slight, I guess, like, the variables that went into Clyde Edwards Laird being a bust are what I'm wondering. Like, if things that have gone different, like, would he be essentially what Derek McKinnon has been in the playoffs, like a league winner? He had a gallbladder surgery prior to 2021.

He dropped down to 160 pounds. He didn't look like himself that following season. he had an ankle injury in the preseason MCL injury during the season missed five games coming into 2020 he looked like he had chance to bounce back but he underperformed

ultimately got hurt and sort of the rest of his history out I guess I'm just wondering if like the bottom line was the C-EH thesis actually kind of right like it just like the variables didn't line up I thought you guys froze for a second holy shit like did my

gonna echo out I thought Craig froze no I think we just both were like Yeah, like, yeah, maybe. Maybe you just don't care. It's a probably unanswerable question. Yes, it is probably. That's incredible. Like, so the casting what if is like, well, maybe we were right three years ago.

To be honest, I struggle with that with running back. I never know how to like think about running backs in that regard because I don't know. If you just play, if Andy Reid just played Clyde Edwards-Hillair every single game this year, maybe he would have been really good. I don't know. Right, right. Or if you trade-in. I mean, they probably didn't play him because he's not good.

The fact that a 30-year-old running back who's like to his ACL twice came in and just was better, it's like probably Clyde, you know, they probably don't think Clyde's that good. But if you forced it, he could have probably still been like a top 12 back, you know what I mean? Well,

this definitely should have been improbably unanswerable questions and not casting what ifs, but still, you know, that's just what I was getting at. It's all right, that's only the first misunderstanding of a category and we're like an hour in, so that's pretty good.

All right, cool. Hi, Fitz, do you have any casting what ifs? Yeah, what if Tom Brady had got away with the tampering and was the quarterback. Oh, that's a great one. So would Tua have been on the bucks? I mean, he probably would have been triggered.

I think the question is, is it Tom Brady and Mike McDaniel and Tyree Kiel? Is it Tom Brady and Sean Payton? I mean, however you slice it, the fact that the Dolphins just already made the playoffs anyway with like Teddy Bridgewater and Sky Thompson having to fill in for Tua, it's kind of stunning. And again, Tua's strength being processing. Kind of want to see what Tom Brady would have done in Miami. I mean, my God.

Oh, my God, yeah. Would have been incredible? But would he be, what was the plan? Can you lay it out? Just for people that don't really remember. He was going to go back and play for one year and then eventually go into the front office? What was the whole deal? I think he was going to retire.

Right. He was going to retire. Go, like, get a piece of the dollar. I'm sorry if I'm wrong about this, but he was going to retire. Get a piece of the Dolphins Minority Ownership from Stephen Ross, who again, Michigan Connection. Stephen Ross is a huge donor university where he went. So they've known each other a long time. and then Brady was going to get an exec roll

and then come down from the exact role to quarterback and then Sean Peyton was going to be the head coach because Peyton and Brady have the same agent. So there was a lot of backroom dealing. They lost a first round pick over this and I feel like people haven't really talked about it enough. This is one of the more under-discussed scandals. Maybe people are just sick of like Tom Brady scandals.

Also, Tom Brady could have been the first like, owner slash player? What? Yeah, what is that? It's like Michael Jordan. It would have been like Michael Jordan again, except if Michael Jordan had actually been good with Kwame Brown. The other casting one, if I'm like, I would have just made my life better

if I had heard Sean McVeigh and Al Michaels on Amazon every Thursday night instead of freaking Kirkkirb Street, who was like very clearly learning the NFL at a snail's pace. And it was like, yeah, this guy who's in the NFL, you know, he went to Alabama seven years ago. And I'm like, I don't need Kirk, Curb Street doing the NFL. I mean, this is, in Kirk's defense, it's like if we tried to do a college football podcast.

Yeah, but like that's my point. I would have preferred to listen. Also, let it be stated, we kind of do. Well, you know what I mean? We don't know the, I mean, obviously, I study a lot of college football players. I don't know the culture of like college football quite as, which is obviously like college football players or people who cover it.

We don't have to debate this. Sean McVeigh would have been better than Kirk Herb Street. Sure. And I wish he had taken the job and I bet he'd probably. Also, they're careful. Chemistry was off the charts bad. Yeah. Like, it's like they're just, they don't get a lot.

Like, they don't, it was clear that they just, like, don't vibe. You know what I mean? It felt like, like a father trying to make conversation with his daughter's boyfriend. Yeah. I was going to say the father trying to make conversation with the son he just met in adulthood. So, what do you, uh, what do you like to do? Sit on down next to me here, son.

Would you like a beer? What are you interested in? Okay. What are you interested in? What are your intentions with my daughter? Remember this guy? Oh, I remember that guy. I went to Ohio State seven years ago.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What are your plans? What kind of plans do you have here? Okay, is that it? We have any other casting, what if? I mean, just like stuff like, what if Trey Lance didn't get hurt? But that's about it.

You could do that for every injury. There'd be no Brock. The Joy Pants Award, which for this show, we are going to call the random player who took off. An example would be two years ago, James Robinson,

seventh round pick, just kind of like being a 1,000-yard rusher. A few nominees, I think, this year. I mean, Jerich McKinnon, I know people know him, but as a random player who took off, he qualifies. Zay Jones,

who was practically a nobody, kind of came in and was a top 35 wide receiver. year. He was the wide receiver 26 on the year. If you picked him up in week 10, he was the wide receiver 12 the rest of the way. I mean, this guy's been like buried on a couple of teams. He was on the Raiders. He was drafted, I believe, by the Bills. Right. He now looks like a legit option and has like been very successful with Trevor Lawrence. Another one, I don't know if we count Jamal Williams. Is he qualify? I think Jamal Williams has to qualify. He was mine. Yeah.

Okay. He always led the NFL and rushing touchdowns. Yeah. I looked up his ADP, his average draft position before the year, 171st overall. And then the only other guy I thought qualified is Evan Ingram. Yeah. It was a tight-in-eight and was like legitimately useful in fantasy football this year after really like... For a few weeks.

A terrible start to his career. Like after that rookie season was kind of seemed like he wouldn't be a starter anywhere else. And then they took a one year, $8 million shot on him. And now he looks like he's revived his career again. I think the winner's what? Probably you think, Williams. I think Say Jones is a good case, but maybe Jamal Williams? It's got to be

Jamal Williams. It's Williams. So he was the 171st overall pick. He finished as the RB12. He had a league high, 16 rushing touchdowns. 17. 17 rushing touchdowns. 10 of them were from the one yard line. 10 one yard rushing touchdowns in the year.

Incredible. We're happy for him though. He's like the best guy in the league personality wise. Easily the most fun player to hear talk. Yeah, he's great. All right. Oh, wait, hold on. One more. Geno Smith. Oh.

Oh, yeah. He was the QB5. Breakout season at 32 years old. QB5, he was the QB 9 in points per game, but yeah. Okay. But he was a top 10 QB. That's a good one, too. That is a really good one.

All right, the Vincent Hanna, give me all you got overacting award, which we are translating that to kind of the Fool's Gold Award, who has kind of crazy over-the-top plays, but isn't actually good. Who has these spike weeks, but you don't actually believe as a good player. my first pick hit me right in the face

to Otunga by Loa oh my god yeah I mean first like six seven weeks this dude was like a top four quarterback in the league was putting up like 300 yard four touchdown performances I never once thought he was good

I'm sorry it's tough that the obviously the concussions and effectively ending its season is really tough because I would love to have seen like a bigger sample size of what he could really do in this offense. But, yeah.

I mean, we saw, he played 13 games. I'm stealing this analogy from Stephen Ruiz, who has said, I love this, which is, you know, I'm bowling if you get a strike, the score you get actually depends on what your next one is. But you get two pins versus nine, it changes the actual boost you get. I'm doing that with two his season. Because like, if you zoom out at the core reason, it's like, two, his skill was processing and he had like three concussions in his season and he kept getting worse at processing. I'm like, I can't.

I don't. I don't intrinsically think too as bad, but I cannot write a guy off because he got worse at processing after you got concussed. And then the fact that his worst quarter was three picks against the Packers that shifted the wild card in both conferences because he was playing concussed and he had three picks

and he wasn't seeing the field right. It's like I don't know how to separate his health from his season. Fair. Well said. Well said. Completely fair. What that said, he underthroes every Tyree kill ball.

It's true. That is still true. That game against the dolphins. I mean, sorry, that game against the Niners. It's tough. Other options here, sticking at quarterback

Kirk Cousins. Yeah. I'd like to shout out. Taysam Hills. I don't know if this counts. I don't know if we think he's good or not, but the dude was the tight end seven this year. And I continued to think,

I don't know what I think about him in fantasy. Also, I wanted to shout out Kim Akers, who was legitimately a top five running, back to finish the last five weeks of the season. That's true. He was a top five running back in fantasy the last five weeks of the season. I don't know if I think Cam Makers is good.

Is he good now? Or is he just getting the ball a lot? He just got volume. He just got volume. But he got volume before and wasn't good. Right. To quote Lucille Bluth with Cammakers being top five running back, I don't understand it. And I won't acknowledge it.

And I won't respond to it. I won't respond to it. Yeah. Any more that you got? Craig? Or should we do a few more? No, the random spike weeks, you know, KJ. Osborne. Is he good? Or did he just have 17 catches one week? I don't know.

Yeah, that's a good question. Okay, who do you? A couple I would add, Gabe Dave. Are we sure he's good? Yeah, that's a good one. Taylor Heineke, but he got benched, so whatever. Can we actually just make that backup quarterbacks? I would like to put Taylor Heineke,

Mike White, Jared Stidham, Baker, and Brock Purdy in one big bucket. Oh, Purdy? Wow. Yes. Erroneous. How can you just, how can you put a stamp on his career already?

He's, he's fucking six and O and going to the playoffs. It's a Shannon quarterback. He'd be, he'd be Mr. Relevant on 31 other teams. I got one more, I got one more that make you guys, or that might make you guys wonder here.

Kyler? Oh my God. No. I mean, not in fantasy. Well, no, I'm saying in real life here. Interesting. He's fools gold. He has crazy over-the-top plays, but maybe isn't actually good?

I'm with it. Dude, they're going to, like, design their entire, like, front office around, like, pleasing Kyler. And they're going to suck. Yeah. I'm not going there yet, but I do think he hasn't played that well. If you had to start your franchise right now and you can have any quarterback on the same contract, where is Kyler? lay honestly not very high for me yeah really low because they're the fact that they're already like yeah he won't he probably won't play in week one unless that's just expectation setting like that's

not great it's especially not great when he's that short and so so so much of what he brings the team is raw weirdly athleticism and now he has to come back from this ACL and like to this total rebuilds the new stat like it's a lot of overlapping obstacles also all time bad body language guy Yes. He's just that, I know that, like, the intangibles don't always mean something, but, like, that would worry me. The vibes have just always been off with him. I feel like I've never watched him and thought, this is, this is the, like, this is going

to be a Hall of Famer. He's going to rival Mahomes. He's going to be in that conversation. And, like, the second you see guys like Herbert and Burrow coming into the league, you immediately know, I never felt that way about Kyler. Not to be cliche, but we will find out what he's made of because this is like the most, like, in football professionally. This is the most adversity he's ever had.

He was like 40 and O undefeated in high school, the high school. the highest level high school Texas football. Like he's like the best player in the history of Texas high school football. He won like three state championships. Goes to Oklahoma, plays two sports, gets drafted in two sports, wins a Heism,

his only season starter, goes to the NFL, like it's really good at first. And like, I know the Cardinals weren't winning a ton, but like he has a crazy hell Mary, like he makes the playoffs. Now he's like,

everyone's fired around him. Everyone's blaming him. Everyone's saying he plays video games. Like, this is without a doubt. They put that freaking homework closet as contract. It's like this is the only time in his life as an athlete that he's been doubted. Like he literally was able to play two different professional sports.

So, like, we'll find out. I'm very curious to see, like, how he responds. It's the most adversity he's faced on the field. I don't know what he's faced virtually. You know, I don't know what type of comebacks he's made online. In Fortnite? Yeah. Who knows?

What are the games the kids play these days? Warzone. Yeah, Warzone. Okay. I think Fortnite's still popular, though. I mean, Warzaw is... Call of Duty. Is that still really famous, popular?

Call of Duty is Warz. Where they took on Duty? The World is Coloen is version of Fortnite. They ripped off Fortnite and they're like, what if you just did Fortnite, but it was called duty and there's just all these people. It's fun. If anyone wants to play war zone with me, email me at ringer fantasy football at email.com.

I want to play war zone with good people. Kyler, if you're listening. Hi, Vitz, do you have any overacting awards? I just want to shout, I think a couple years ago we did this, the winner was Richie James. And I kind of think we should consider Richie James once again. The first two-time winner. Richie James and Isaiah Hodgins?

Do you realize that in the fantasy playoffs, these were two top 20 receivers. Like Richie James and Isaiah Hodgins were better than like Devante Adams or Stefan Diggs. They were better than Amonra. They were better than Judy or McLaurin. And I just can't believe these are starting players. This is supposed to be a punt returner to practice squad guy.

So who we're going to give it to? Who do you think? I think Gabe is actually pretty good. I think Gabe Davis is the answer. Sorry, Gabe. We got so enraptured by that playoff performance where he had like 200 yards and three touchdowns. But he was in fact just better KJ.

Osborne. So Dionne Waiters Award here, which we are translating to mean the best waiver-wire pickup of the year. I personally feel as though there are three front runners. I'm probably missing somebody. If we're just thinking about the playoffs,

Jerich McKinnon was the number two player at running back in fantasy from weeks 14 to 17. Number two behind, I believe, Christian McCaffrey. Season long, however, Kenneth Walker, who you got around week five-ish, I think. Was he a waiver-wire pickup?

I was trying to remember that, because he got drafted. A bunch of people probably dropped him at some point. It depends on your league. It's like he had a bad first month and people might have cut him. It depends on what you even. If you got him when Rashad Penny got hurt,

he was a top 15 running back to finish the season, and is great. And then the last one, you guys have to let me know if you think this qualifies, but if you're in a single quarterback league, Justin Fields. Yeah, you could definitely make the argument because he went absolutely bonkers for a while.

He was a top five quarterback fantasy football. I think Fields absolutely counts. I mean, I think he definitely counts. If you're looking for like more consistency, Brock Purdy was in a really amazing pickup too. To add to that list, Christian Watson of the Packers, if you picked him up in week 10,

he was the wide receiver 9, the rest of the way in PPR. He just scored a ton of touchdowns. That was really strong. Latavius Murray was an RB2 basically from week on. God, that's so funny. So he was a good thing. Is that an overacting award? That's a player who I don't actually believe

it was good. He's 32 years old coming off his couch, yeah. But I think this has got to be Jared McKinnon because literally, as you just said, like the best fantasy players in the playoffs were Christian McAfree, Jared McKinnon, and Austin Eckler. Like, you just picked him up. Crazy. Yeah. It's kind of like what Rashad Penny did last year.

Yes. Dude, he caught like eight touchdowns in like a five game series or something like that, like absolutely, something that's never been done from a running back. It's crazy. The Carson Wentz, I Need a Miracle Award. This goes to the player who you don't deny is talented, but because of their situation, every time they caught a long pass, caught a touchdown, or succeeded in fantasy football, it felt like a goddamn miracle. Terry McLaren. It's 100% Terry McLaren. Or my two nominees, McLaren with Wentz, was actually like witnessing

like, Christ, like, reemerge every time Perry McLaren got the ball. The other guy, though, Michael Pittman, man, like, was basically living in a horror film for the entire season and was somehow, actually, I mean, he certainly was a disappointment this year,

but man, he was the Widersteree 249, somehow had 99 catches this season. That just does not sound right. Isn't that crazy? with Ellinger and Matt Ryan and fucking Nick Foles. So those are my two Miracle Awards.

What do you guys got? The guy that I put on here was Cortland Sutton. It just felt like a miracle every time he had a catch. Like I'm just like, just give me something here. Like you can like barely recognize.

You're like, I don't even think he's on the field. Dude, also DJ Moore for the first three months of this season. And I'm just like, oh man, I need that PJ Walker back. I'm begging for XFL players to, like, play. I mean, DJ Moore, it did feel like I needed to tap into, like, a higher power to get

him the ball. That is a really good one. All right. Stephen A. Smith, how does take award? It needs no further explanation. Who wants to begin? I love kickers. God.

Oh, boy. People want to get rid of kickers. Dude, kickers are great. Kickers are life. People want to get rid of kickers. because they're not unpredictable. I'm like, yeah, that's life. That's what's great.

Like, they are the essence of fantasy football. Everything we complain about. Oh, come on. They're not the essence of fantasy football. No, they represent the essence. They are not the essence. That expression, what you just said, kickers are the essence of fantasy football.

That's a hot take. They are true to the essence. They are, though. They true to the essence, which is just like, it's more or less a crapshoot. I love it. And the leagues where I've gotten rid of kickers, I miss them so much.

Oh, my God. You know the way that's lame, though, is kickers aren't that important in terms of fantasy. I don't think they represent the essence of fantasy because, like, sure, once in a while, one kicker has 20 points, but most of the time they all just score like 7, 8, or 9.

No, I love it. It's so funny. My hottest take, I think we should go further with quarterback scoring in fantasy football to the point where I want points per completion, I want to count passing like rushing, 100 passing yards, 10 points,

just like 100 rushing yards. I want these guys scoring 70 to 80 points a game, I want Josh Allen to completely change your fantasy football team. Like he completely changed the bills. When they drafted Joe Burrow, the Bengals, who were a dormant franchise for the last 20 years, a disaster, just immediately got to the Super Bowl. That should be how they are in fantasy football. I want us fighting, clawing over Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow.

I want them dropping 82 on a Monday night game. The win probabilities are just like out there. the window. Yeah, you know what? If you were the guy who drafted Josh Allen when he had an MVP year, you should probably win your fantasy football league. Spend the money on him. I like this a lot, because if you're going to beat the homes in the Super Bowl, like, yeah, everything should have to go perfect. Everything's got to go perfect. Points per first down. Sure. I mean, look, if you can get points per completion right there and, you know, Josh Allen's like 30 for 48 with four touchdowns, you're legitimately, and like 80 yards on the ground, you're legit

looking at like 60 point performances. I love that. And then you're all, I also pissed when the other guy gets Jared Goff and you have Justin Herbert and you're like, I thought we had a good quarterback and then just getting slaughtered. Yeah. It also evens out the whole rushing quarterback thing. Now it's like Joe Burrow can put up just as many points as Justin Fields. I love this.

This is good. I like it. I have like, I don't have any hot take that we'll top that. So let's leave there. That's all right. We told D.K. not to force it, which is true. You shouldn't force it. Okay. Recasting Kouch. Who should be on a different team? What did you guys have for this? What was your, let's just do one each. Going forward or the previous season?

Whatever you want. I'll go first, I guess. Justin Fields, get them with the Bears. Where do you want him to go, though? Anywhere else? A team with a receiver. That is good. So not the Giants.

Well, dayball, maybe. I would take that. I'll take that compromise. To me, it's like the fields thing. I just, I don't like the vibes from the bears. I don't feel like they even like. him. It just feels to be like they're just they just took this year as like a throwaway year. They're not really trying

to develop them. And now they have the first overall pick. They're already talking about looking at the top pick, at the top quarterbacks, which granted, I think it's the right move for them regardless, but because then they can get the most value of that pick. But still, I don't know. I just don't, I think Justin Fields should be on a different team. I also think the bears need to appear as if they are considering a quarterback first, right? Well, this, strategically, it makes a lot of sense.

But I was thinking this all year long that he just don't really seem to like Justin Fields. So that's more my point, I guess. But like right now, strategically, they need to make it look like they'd be willing to take that quarterback so they can trade the pick, right? Yeah. Hi Fitz.

I want Brady to the Niners to replace Jimmy G. And I want Aaron Rogers to the Jets. And I want those very badly. I think it would be more fun if Aaron Rogers goes to the Raiders and Brady goes to the Niners. either one that works for me I do think Brady did the 90s like actually makes sense for every like the Niners

sure you believe in Brock Brady let him learn from Tom Brady Brady's still good Brady can do whatever Brock Brady can do and more obviously and then Rogers I mean maybe we'll see I mean there's two goats right it's like it's a problem like Brock Purdy Tom Brady maybe two big egos can't get along

but do you think Brady would be upset if Brock did in fact have a bigger cock than Brady would that be a problem for Tom Do you think Tom is upset that he never had a nickname referring to his large organ? Yeah, all the best too, you know?

Big Dick Nick, beat him in the Super Bowl. Like, I don't think he wants to go into a big cock-brock Brock situation now. Oh my God. You're right. Maybe he won't go to the Niners. Scared to compete. I don't have any recasting catches or moving on.

How fast is that research. Come on, we got to mention Cal Pitts. Get him on another team. Oh, that's, that this is your golden child. This is your baby. They don't need to get him a different team. Just get it. Get the Falcons for a quarterback.

Get a quarterback that doesn't have a nerve injury and his throwing arm. Get him Derek Carr. Get him literally anybody. I'll accept that. I think Desmond Ritter's good. Oh, that's my other hot take. We're going to rewind a bit. I think Desmond Ritter and Kenny Pickett are going to be better than any of the quarterbacks that get drafted this year.

This year. Oh, wow. I'll buy that for what I will keep bringing, beating. I can't speak English. Beating the drum on. Kenny Pickett went to a good team. Steers are a good team. If, you know, whoever goes to the Texans.

Pretty bad team. Probably not going to be good. Yeah. Or maybe they're good, the Texans. You know, who knows? All right, half as internet research. Little known stats from the season that were fun. Hyvetz mentioned it earlier,

but you said that Deonti Johnson was the most targeted player to not score touchdown in the season. Not only that, and I actually think this hurts more because in theory, a lot of targets, you know, may not result in many catches. He actually has the most catches ever as well to never record a touchdown.

He had 86 catches this year, Deonté Johnson, did not score a touchdown. And worst of all, he led all wide receivers in two-point conversions. That's funny. Oh, man. So he got teased, he got blue-balled into scoring touchdowns. But he actually did. Craig, the previous record was 109 targets for a receiver that had no touchdowns in a year. he had 147 targets this year.

Like, just actually, the most absurd season. Yeah, he was the 52nd best wide receiver in fantasy football. And it's funny because the people who are around him, like none of them had even close to the amount of targets he had. Like, he's the 52nd wide receiver in fantasy football. He had 147 targets. The guy who scored one point better than him this year was Isaiah Hodgins, who had 48 targets.

Oh, my God. He was a practice squad player. for the bills midway through the season. 50, sir, you said he was the 50 second receiver. He had,

he had the sixth most targets. That's impossible. And points per game, he was 52nd. Maybe he was a little higher. Yeah, overall. But what do you guys have?

What were your favorite stats? This one's not, I wouldn't say this is necessarily like obscure, but I just wanted to confirm, scoring was indeed down this year in the NFL across the league. They scored, teams scored 22 points in game last year.

It was 23 last year. Yeah, we're all aware, DK. We were in the fantasy playoffs. All right, we know. I just want to throw a few more stats at you. Team scored 108 fewer touchdowns this year on aggregate. They gained 2,500 fewer yards total. And if you just really, if you look just at the raw fantasy points,

that's 1,600 fewer half ppr fantasy points. So yes, it was bad. Confirmation. The other one I had, they want to throw out here. And this is more, this is counting stats. And some of these guys got hurt. But I just wanted to point out that Taseham Hill had more rushing yards. He had 575 rushing guards.

He had more than Antonio Gibson. He had more than J.K. Dobbins. More than Diannui Swift. More than Kareem Hunt. More than Damien Harris. More than James Robinson and more than Devo Samuel. Taysam Hill. I still can't believe he was a top seven tight end this year.

That makes me so upset. 575 rushing yards. That's weird. He's a tight end. Do you think whatever team Sean Payton goes to, Tassim Hill, will follow? yes it's like James Jones he's absolutely enamored he's absolutely enamored with the guy that's absolutely the comparison James Jones he's gonna be part of the Peyton trade that's actually probably right you're right wow they're a package deal they that is a great

call DK you're right he will be part of this Sean Petton trade hi if it's what do you got uh it didn't end up happening but the count of Russell Wilson having more bathrooms in his house than touchdown passes throughout the year. Yeah, that was cool. I know it didn't actually come to happen that he had fewer, but like the count every week was incredible. And to me, the defining stat of the year. That's fun. The Vikings having 13 or 13 wins this season and a negative point differential is like an all-timer. And like a significant. Isn't it? How much were they 30 points? It ended up being negative three in the season. But regardless, 13 and four, and they were outscored by three points is incredible.

that will never be matched there will never be another 13 win team like this really really probably what was the Steelers point differential that one year when they were 12 and 4 what year was it 2020 okay so the Steelers went 12 and 4 that year

they had a 104 oh plus 104 they were up by 104 they were yeah like 100 points oh my god and they were terrible the Titans last year everyone's like number one seen the FC the Titans are no good we don't care 65 points

point differential. Vikings negative. Negative three. The other one, obviously, I mentioned a bunch of the season. Derek Henry having four straight 200-yard games against the Texans. Yeah. Good stat. Unbelievable. Justin Fields have the second most rushing yards by a quarterback.

I feel like just got washed away, but like that's kind of crazy. Yeah, he was really close to breaking the new record. That was cool. NFL games getting shorter. Just we have all complained about how lonely they are. They just, they got shorter. The expedited replays. I know Jags Titans last week was weird, but like the expedited replays were good. But my favorite stat of this year is Michael Lopez,

who does a lot of analytics stuff for the NFL, tweeted this out. So Justin Tucker had this 43-yard game-winning field goal, and he hit it about as close as exactly midway to the goalposts as humanly possible. Like the goalposts are about 18 feet apart. If the goalposts were 18 inches apart, Justin Tucker still would have made the kick.

That is astounding. Love that. He is. He is literally the Tiger Woods of kicking. Tell a shooter to like aim for the front of the rim. What's he aiming for here when you shoot it down the... Yeah. It's like when Steph Curry,

it's like when Steph Curry makes a three, but the net doesn't move. That's how central. Yeah. Yeah, that's good. That's good. All right. Let's move on to Apex Mountain,

the most controversial category, which is defined as who is having their career year, both professionally and kind of personally. Essentially, it's like, who has the most juice after this season? A couple candidates here. Josh Jacobs? That was my number one. Easily.

Contract year, a lot of people out of him. For all we knew, he was going to be a backup and signed some shitty contract next year. And now he's probably going to get as close to a max deal as you can get for a running back. And, you know, is now one of the best five running backs in the league. Next one, Daniel Jones? Yes. Interesting. think? I mean, so do you think he's not going to get any better then?

Well, I mean, that's not what it means. Or just so far, okay. Yes. Like, especially considering where he was, I mean, he might have the most juice now than he ever will, considering that, I mean, he's probably going to come back to the Giants now, which kind of seemed inconceivable a year or two ago, right, Hyvetts? That last home game, he got an ovation from the crowd. Yeah. They cheered for him. I mean, the playoffs. Like, Apex Mountain. They clap for it. for the guy. Also, weather in the NFL? Ooh, this was a tough year. Craig, I got to tell you, things might get worse from here on out.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the category. This has been the worst year yet, but might get worse going forward. Well, yeah, because if you're talking about an actor, well, I guess it's hard because a lot of the actors are a bit older. But if you're talking about like Ryan Gosling or something, he can still have an Apex Mountain, despite the fact that he's only like 40. Okay. You know? But so far, yes. I think I, I, agree with that. What do you guys have? I got, this was an apex mountain season for backup quarterbacks. This was the year of backup quarterbacks. Sixty-five different quarterbacks started in the NFL this year, which is an all-time record. I got that stat from Field Yates. Here's a list of guys that got meaningful games and helped in fantasy in some way

during the season. And I'm going to count Jacoby Burset as a backup because technically he was. So Bressette, Taylor Heineke, Cooper Rush, Mike White, Joe Flacker. Chris motherfucking Streveler Andy Dalton Sam Darnold PJ Walker Jimmy G Brock Purdy Colt McCoy David Blow Oh and the other guy

Who was the other guy on the Cardinals Tim Boyle? Short guy Oh no sorry not Tim Boyle What's his freaking name Trace McSorley Bailey Zappy Kenny Pickett I guess kind of counts

Ritter Gardner Minchew Tyler Huntley Josh Dobbs Malik Willis Jared Stidham Baker Mayfield Bryce Perkins John Walford, Teddy Bridgewater, Skyler Thompson, Jeff Driscoll, Kyle, Trevor Simeon, Brett Rippin, Nick Foll, Sam Ellinger. That's not even all of them. There was an insane amount of backup quarterbacks.

Too many injuries, man. Should NFL weeks be two weeks long? Should you just play every two weeks? That would be awesome. I think this is probably related to the fact that NFL scoring was down. Like, the quarterbacking was bad this year. But will we ever see another season with this many quarterbacks playing? I kind of feel like no.

That's a good one. I think that this is a great point, DK. I don't think this is Apex Mountain, so I think we've officially done a good job with the rewatchables where we got this category slightly wrong. You don't think it's the Apex Mountain. Well, the Apex Mountain of backup quarterbacks

as Nick Falls winning the Super Bowl. No, there's this guy called Tom Brady who filled in. This is a collective, this is not the Apex Mountain of a backup quarterback. I'm saying this is the Apex Mountain

of Backup Quarterbacks. You're really saying it's the opposite, though. It's the worst backup quarterback have ever been. No, I'm saying this is like the greatest season, the greatest year of a backup quarterback ever. Like, this was the year of backup quarterbacks. This is going perfectly.

This is exactly how it's- You're saying that many backup quarterbacks played this year, which is true, but not- It's the Apex Mountain for backup quarterback volume. Yes, but that's just a lot of something. If you were a backup quarterback, odds are you played this year. It was your Apex back. Okay.

All right, we're crushing this. Whatever. Give me a break up. Shoe hoarding a cool stat. Let me go with a backup that you'd even mention somehow. It's Apex Mountain for Gino Smith. Well, yeah. 100,000%.

I mean, he wasn't technically the backup because he won the starting job, but I'll accept it. He's been a backup for eight years, basically. Oh, that's true. I actually would argue that Gino Smith is the single easiest player for it in the entire NFL right now.

Oh, he's the best. That's probably the best. the winner, I would say. Not that you have to give a winner to Apex Mountain, but Josh Jacobs and Gino Smith probably hits the two of them. And then Daniel Jones.

The harder conversations, Brian Dable easily. And then also, Jalen Hertz, I think is a complicated one because he was so successful in college. And he's just so young still, but yeah, I agree.

But him and Josh Jacobs they made a lot of money this year. Like Jalen Hertz, the terrible Jailen Hertz year, he's a backup. And now he's going to have 100 million guaranteed probably. Yeah.

I like the, yeah. The Jacobs one, I think, makes a ton of sense. The Gino one is, he's got a lot of, of juice right now. People love him. He's going to get paid. Yeah. He's going to get exponential amount of money this year than he did last year. He was on

a contract. He made like $7 million this year, you guys. He's going to make like 30 million a year going forward. I hope he gets a house in Seattle that has one more bathroom and bedroom than Russell Wilson's house in Denver and invites all of the teammates over and they all come. They all use the bathroom. They all show up. I don't want to, should I step on probably unanswerable? questions. What do you got? Is the Russell Wilson, the four bedrooms, 12 bathrooms? Is it actually four bedrooms or is there like some tax thing in Denver where like is there doesn't have a window? Is there a fifth bedroom where it's cheaper? A lot of offices. Yes. Yeah. Like is there like some den or an office that like is a bedroom that they use it but it's cheaper or like did Russell Wilson actually buy

$25 million four bedroom house? He has three kids and he doesn't have a guest room. He doesn't have a guest room. in a $25 million house? Like, is that actually true? That's as unanswerable as it gets. Let's get his contractor on the phone. I can't stop thinking about this. Like, do his kids share the room in a $25 million home? And he has a guest room, but there's no guest room.

I guess he doesn't have any friends. Anyway, sorry, that's one of my. That's fine. All right, we're going to move on. So we have the opposite of the Apex Mountain, which is the Death Valley Award. and it's the Kyle Pitts Death Valley Award for the lowest point of your career.

Speaking of the devil, Russell Wilson. I mean, you argue. Craig, I had all Wilsons. The Wilson family. Zach Wilson, Russell Wilson. I'm sure there's other Wilsons in there. The only case to be made is that he's richer

than he's ever been. At some point, how much does like another few million matter? He's obsessed with legacy. He's been rich forever. tends to not, but Russell wasn't obsessed with, like, legacy. And this was intensely damaging to everything he's ever done before this. Anyone else? Who else?

I thought Russell wasn't led the way. Yeah. Matt Ryan. The moment he gave up a 33-point lead. I mean, it's... That's the trough. That's the low of the low. The only reason it's not is because it's not even the worst lead that Matt Ryan has blown.

I know. God. Next up, picking nits. Self-explanatory. What do you guys got? Um, speaking of my bear's hatred, maybe they could have figured out a little sooner that their six foot three, two hundred and thirty five pound quarterback is the fastest person on the face of the earth.

Um, he played eight. This is just, this is coaches essentially. Play your good players. He played 18, he appeared in 18 games for the bears, um, prior to his quote unquote breakout rushing rushing, uh, rushing attempts for 82 yards. In those 18 games, his career, his career high in, designed rush of times was four. They just didn't think

to maybe try and have him run around. 18 games over two seasons. Two different coaches. The most obvious and logical thing you could possibly do with a guy who's, again, 6'3, 235, 40 pounds, runs like the fastest

40 of any quarterback in the NFL that is the fastest guy on earth. Just you didn't think to like maybe run him around a little? That's my one picking it. I love this. this is great. Are you going to do your Kyle Pitts picking net or no? Picking Pits?

Give the ball to your best players. Throw the generational talent you drafted fourth overall in the draft. Give him the ball. Yeah, the whole thing, like, obviously from fantasy point of view, we're annoying people that are bitching and moaning about the Cow Pets, not getting the rock. And then the coach comes back. He's like, wow, this isn't fantasy football.

We're trying to win games. Like, motherfucker, you drafted him number four overall. Your fucking team drafted him fourth. Maybe throw him the football. That's all. You guys are getting me, like, mad on purpose here. Mine is to Brandon Staley

for playing Mike Williams and Joey Bosa and the rest of his fucking chargers in the last game of the season that was in a relevant game. Yeah. Yeah, I'm pretty good with this season, but I just want to shout out. Nice.

No notes. Very few. Oh, boy. Just crepit giants team making the playoffs. The only note I'll have is Xavier McKinney, defensive captain for the Giants, green dot, signal caller, broke his hand,

ATVing on the bye week. God damn it, man. Like, maybe just don't do that. But yeah, hold that, no notes, great year.

Nice. One other, one other picking knit thing. I would have rather started and not benched Mike Evans when he scored 50 points in the championship week. If I was going to, if I was going to pick Nits on one thing,

I would have started him instead of benching him. That is a, That is a substantial knit. All right. Could this be remade as a Netflix series? What happened this year that you would want to turn into a Netflix series?

I'd like to see Tom Brady's 2022, man. Oh my God. This was my number one choice. Let's make a list. Fake retirement. Yeah. The power play over Bruce Ariens. Sure.

Like a series, but not produced by his team. Correct. That's a pretty good. Not propaganda, in other words. He had retirement, power play over Bruce Ariens come out of retirement. Tampering.

The whole dolphins story. The whole dolphins thing, which they lost their first term pick. The crypto collapse. Divorce with Giselle. His offensive line dies in preseason. Terrible play throughout most of the year. And then to round it all out. Wait, there's one more.

When he is at Robert Kraft's wedding on Friday before the game. Oh, yeah. He left training camp. He left training camp in the middle of training camp. Oh, that too. Oh, my God. Yeah. And we didn't know where he was.

We're like, is he in the Bahamas? Like, we didn't even know where Tom Brady was during training camp. Is he in the country? We don't know if he's in the country. We had to extradite him back to play football. And he goes to Germany and they start playing better. Oh, my God. What happened in Germany?

The Seahawks all of a sudden shit the bed after that and Tom Brady. And then, by the way, round it all out. He's back to being good. He's in the playoffs. He's going to now probably win the Super Bowl. And they have five come back wins. They're still going to beat the Cowboys. He also had four games that would have been like on anyone else's top five of their career.

Where it's like I like the what did he come back from? 17 to three. 17 to three. 16 to three in like one in like a minute and 55. And then he did it again like two weeks later. So yeah. That's a good one. I would watch that.

I would. I also think the Russell Wilson debacle could be interesting TV. I had for that. I had Russell Wilson as season three of Mind Hunter and Russell Wilson's a serial killer. Oh, God. Just his first victim is Cortland Sutton. No, it's definitely hack it.

Well, actually, maybe he was the final, like the coup de grace. That's good. All right, best quote, best soundbite or moment from a press conference this year. A couple good options. Ron Rivera, not knowing that his team was a limit. from the playoffs. It's pretty good.

Kirk, I don't, this like isn't press conference, but Kirk wearing the chain on the plane, doing the dance, Kirk Cousins.

That was pretty big. Adam Schepter, recreating that on the field, which was... That's scarred in my mind. Disaster. So we're doing quotes. We're doing like moments,

right? Things you can drop in the group chat, basically. Yeah, like Jair Alexander's, post-gamer after he shut down Justin Jefferson was great. Jamal Williams last week, him saying he's got that dog

in him after crying about his great-grandfather. what do you think? What else do you have? I had Gino Smith his line after, I believe it was the week one win over Russell Wilson. They asked him how he was feeling

he's like, they wrote me off. I ain't right back though. That was just a great line. And then the reporter asking Zach Wilson, do you feel that you left the defense down at all? Sorry,

do you feel that you let the defense down at all? He said no. That's just that one. Actually, I left my favorite way. I forgot about that one. No. And auto bench. No

Oh boy That was what he His tenuous grip on the On the locker room Completely And it wasn't like He didn't go like Eh, no

He went No It was so confident He was like Of course not Me? Little old me? No

Me? This is like when Arrest development When Tobias is like he's doing the fire sale thing. He's like, do you think you'd like to try that again? He's like, no. Also, I mean, does Broncos country?

Let's ride count? That does count. I will say, but while we're on Zach Wilson, though, this isn't like a quote, but like, the Zach Wilson milk thing, the Zach Wilson. Oh, my God. Best friend. That's the thing I'm going to turn that into the miniseries.

All timer. Dating show? I mean, Zach Wilson's got time on his hands. You know, like, Milk Hunter. There was a quote that came out this week about how he's going to, like, just be working, you know, he's going to be working his ass off over the off season to, like, earn the starting job back.

And his quote was like, I'm going to get, I'm going to make the starting quarterback's life a living hell or something like that. Like, basically he's like, I want to try my best to make it hard on him. And the overworked Twitter joke of the day was essentially like, what's his mom look like? What's the starter's mom look like? He's just going to, like, just try and date all the moms. Oh, God. I also love the idea of him saying that.

trade for Aaron Rogers. And he's like, eh, I'll sit this one out. And he's like, I don't talk to my family anyway. Rogers just doesn't care. Speaking to Rogers, quotes, let's not forget Aaron, I know it's the offseason, but Aaron Rogers is getting a tattoo of an astrology like the stars. Oh my God. With the third eye, two lions staring at each other. And he captioning the Instagram with, there's a deep and meaningful story and connection to each element of this art piece. And I'll share it at a later day.

also this isn't NFL related but did you guys see Dan Lannings new tattoo? No and I don't know who that is if I'm being honest He's the head coach of the Oregon football team He was the defensive coordinator for Georgia last year Oh okay yes okay He just got a new tattoo Oh my God I just saw it It is the worst tattoo I've ever seen

That's his wife the photo Can you explain it Craig? Oh, my. It's a nude woman from the... Where? It's in his armpit? It's not just like side, I think. It's a nude woman from the boobs up.

Apparently it's his wife. She has a pit tattoo. She has tattoos all over her body. And they're all based on like, you know, times in his life. Pittsburgh. He has the Oregon wings. He has Alabama on his cheek. There's dates on there.

Wait, I thought this was the... I thought his wife literally had these tattoos. I don't believe that's the case. A journey. Okay. You know, I let me Google Dan Lanning's

wife. I doubt it. Oh my gosh. Is there a boomerang on here? There is wild. Yeah. What's it say it right next to her ear? 816.

It's representing. Okay. She does not have those tattoos. Thank Christ. Which we could have expected. So for anyone who doesn't know we're talking about,

Google Dan Lanning tattoo. Whoa. It's actually crazy. Like, they should lose a recruit for that. This is the tattoo that Kenny Powers would get. Like the kid from, what's the Jason Sedgis

Road Trip movie? He has the no regrets. No regrets. It's like that level bad. Yeah, yeah. No, the Kenny Powers is correct. This is a Kenny Powers tattoo. Anyway, moving on here. What piece of memorabilia would you keep from the season? Kirk Cousins is silver chain or gold chain. I don't know if There's a, yeah, there can't be another answer, I feel like. What else is there?

I can think of one. Well, first of all, Russell Wilson's house, if that counts. That would be a valuable piece of memorabilia. There is one other one I can think of, though. Give it one more. Oh, boy. Oh, is he going to get it? Oh, I know what he's doing.

I'm not cutting this. I guarantee you he's going to come back with a giant hat. Let me tell you what piece of memorabilia I would keep. I want Brian Robbins. Oh, it is a giant hat. Give me this thing. Where the, what? Oh my God.

This was originally going to be DK's Christmas gift. I got one for me, and I got one for DK that said daddy on it. That one never arrived. Oh my God. It was going to say daddy on it? Yeah.

I think it's a world's best dad. Yeah, yeah. So long ago, I forgot. But like this is, look at this. It's also like so white lotusy, isn't it? I got it. It's like flower.

It says extra. Oh, yeah. Does it fit well? It actually fits weirdly well. Can you show me the underbelly of it? Yeah. So that's what it looks. like, I took my headphones off.

But like, it actually fits like oddly well. It's actually kind of a comfort. I'm wearing the headphones, so it doesn't fit. But like, it actually sits well on the head. Oh, my God. I want Kirk's chain. All right, probably unanswerable questions. We've already done a few.

Does anybody have any pressing ones here? We're running a little long here. Yeah, I got one while we're talking about Brian Robinson. How did Brian Robbins get shot and just come back in like a month? Yeah, that was crazy. Once again, God? God? What are you up to?

My question was, will there ever be another elite tight end, not named Travis Kelsey? Interesting. Is it going to happen? I'm actually being genuine. Well, after watching that George, a TCU game last night, I think I found one more. Maybe, oh God, maybe he's the savior.

Brock Bowers. Who's not eligible next year. Yeah, we have to wait a couple years for that. I think he's eligible in 2024. So you just think the evolution of the position is going to kind of eliminate dominant tight ends? I'm wondering, like, it just feels that like that's what's happening. They are such secondary or tertiary tertiary?

Tertiary? Tertiary. Tertiary options in the offense, you know, at best, that it just doesn't feel like we're ever going to see another guy like Travis Kelsey. I'm sure that's not true necessarily, but, man, it's been tough for a long time. That's a good one, actually. I mean, it's obviously diminished. It's not getting any better.

Hyvitz is still wearing the hat. I want him to keep it on. No, that's my answerable one. Okay, great. Seriously, how did he come back? How did Keenan Allen need three months? And Brian Robinson just got shot. I was like, fine.

He was like a good running back immediately. I know. You like tweak your hamstring and it's like three months and he got shot in the leg. Like a bullet ripped through. It questioned everything I knew. Yeah.

I just, wow. All right. Almost done here. The Andy and Red Zawant Mayo, which I kind of want to correct to that instead of the Andy and Red, it's so close to Andy Reed. Andy reads

an A word for what happens the next day We can think about this a few different ways Do you guys want to use it as a way To just give our Super Bowl predictions right now What's going to happen in the playoffs? Sure I was like I pictured it more from like What things are going to happen in drafts next year

But that's fine Either one works What do you think? I also did drafts Okay let's do that then Who cares? We can do whatever we want As we set up

As we set up top I think that quarterbacks go earlier I think that you're going to see Josh Allen at like the end of the second round. And while this year you were picking between Josh Allen and like DJ Moore this year, you're going to have to pick between Josh Allen and like Amon Ross St. Brown or Deandra Hopkins. I think that's right. I think so I think Travis Kelsey up, obviously, and then receivers up. And then running backs, I think this is going to be the offseason of running back uncertainty and chaos.

Not only did running backs have like a bunch of injuries this last year. And I think that's kind of like spook people a little bit. But this is like arguably the best running back. free agent class ever. And if we see a lot of these guys move teams, we got Sequin, Josh Jacobs, Miles Sanders,

Tony Pollard, the list goes on and on. There's just a bunch of guys, Cream Hunt, Rashide Penny. We're going to see a lot of guys moving around. Plus, we got Bejohn Robinson coming in next year.

And this draft class is actually really deep with a lot of good running backs. And so there's going to be just like an infusion and like a bunch of movement at running back. I think it's going to create a ton of uncertainty as who's

going to have like elite volume. So that's my prediction. Receivers and Kelsey up, running back's down, because there's going to be a bunch of offseason uncertainty about who's like the lead back anywhere. Final award. It's typically, oh, sorry, second to last award. It's typically the Coach Finstock Award for the best life lesson. But we're changing that to the Coach Shanahan Award for the best fantasy lesson. I have two. Okay. It's been the theme of the day. One, take a good quarterback. your life is going to be 100 times easier. Doesn't matter if, you know, you could maybe, oh, maybe Marcus Marriota is going to do it this year. Maybe Trevor Lawrence, just don't do that.

Just go get Patrick Mahomes. Everything will be easier. Your blood pressure will be way lower. And my second one is age before beauty. Give me Kelsey, not Pitts. Give me Devante Adams, not C.D. Lamb. Give me Derek Henry, not D'Andre Swift. Don't get tantalized by young beauty.

The next big thing. Nope. Stick with the oldies. They know what's up. They're wiser. I like that one a lot. I think that makes a lot of sense. The other thing I was getting,

this is more philosophical, I think. And I'm just thinking of what we did with Josh Jacobs during the offseason is essentially made a, we jumped to a lot of conclusions about different variables that were happening with him at the time, like new coaching. The contract situation where his fifth year option wasn't picked up,

you know, a whole bunch of things that happened at the same time. We jumped to like a massive amount of conclusions with this guy. And so basically my life lesson is don't make too many logic jumps with these guys. Like let's just focus on what we know, focus on what we can control and then go from there. So the only bad news is we're not in control of any of this. But I like, I like what you're saying. Like just be rational.

I'm basically saying like don't get too far out ahead of your like skis or like don't get too far over your skis when it comes to like. Occam's Razor, really, right? Like, the simplest explanation is probably what's going on here. I would, I have a different, because obviously I was very wrong about Josh Jacobs. I don't think, honestly, I think Occam's Razor was the mistake. I don't think Occam's Razor would have said that the guy with the new regime gets to lead the league in touches. I don't know, though, because my point was like, isn't it, he's the best running back on the team clearly? And he's surrounded by a rookie.

Yeah, that's fair. Isn't Occam's Razor? Like, he's probably going to be the guy who, the guy who's run for a thousand yards four straight years. it's probably just going to do it again. Former first round pick, guy in his contract year, they're just going to like... Yeah, that's fair.

I think that the... The larger one that I looked at when Josh Jacobs was the lesson that I have was don't fight the last war and like, you know, obviously it's like I'm saying in the military of like every,

you know, every general, they're always prepping for the last war instead of the next one. And I think that I was... I think I got too locked in and what specifically happened in 2021 with like, I miss Josh Jacobs

fundamentally because I was, I think I was too channelized by the, idea of like Cooper Cup, Jamar Chase and Debo all emerging as these mid-round wide receivers that ended up breaking open the leagues. But every year is different. And I think that that, like, the search for these mid-round receivers, which quite frankly, none of them panned out. Honestly, Devante Smith was probably the one receiver that, like, helped you win a championship. But other than that, the great receivers were earlier and the running backs helped you later. So I think that

the same way that I was too focused on like finding a Cooper Cup, a Chase, a Debo in this middle-round receivers. You also don't want to just be like, well, who's the Josh Jacobs in 2023? And it's like, well, there might not be one. You know what I mean? And I think that that's something that it's like every year is different in its own, as DK said, it will be a tremendous variable next year of like all these rookie running backs coming in. It's a flood, maybe throw a bunch of darts at them. And again, maybe the tides change and we're like, well, the obvious things are quarterbacks earlier, tight ends. And again, maybe there's also a year where you're like, well, this is the year to wait on quarterback because everyone's

going earlier than ever, and I'm going to wait on tight end, and I'm going to take Kyle Pitts because he's still this amazing prospect, and now everyone's just mad at him, but he didn't have a point being, I think, I'm more open to different team builds than ever, but I'm also going to try to, like, not, you know, not get too caught up. And just because there is a trendline doesn't mean that, you know, that's going to happen again. It's every season is its own season. Don't get too wrapped up in what happened last year and don't let it affect what's going to happen next year because it's like, it's like, overreact. Yeah. It's almost like, gambling. Like you, you hitting on a prior bet doesn't make you more likely to win on the next

bet. Exactly. All right. Last one here. Who won the year in fantasy? I think the leader is probably Josh Jacobs, and I think you could make the case for Jalen Hertz. Ooh, Hertz. I think I would give it a Hertz, except that if you had him, like, him being hurt for the semis and championships, I think he's not in it for this. I agree. Hurts? So ESPN actually released his dad on who, gets people to the playoffs, who got people to the semis. Hertz and Kelsey led the way for the playoffs. Kelsey, actually, even more than Josh Jacobs, which is stunning, considering... I mean, think about this, Josh Jacobs went like 50 picks later than Kelsey, and Kelsey gave

you the best odds of getting into the playoffs, which is crazy to think about. I had Kelsey written down. Yeah. He scored 100 more points to the next guy. Like, that's a massive advantage on your team. It just feels like he does that every year. I know. I will give it to Josh Jacobs.

He also did in a contract year. He changed his own life a lot and made himself a lot of money. And also he was just like the best pick you could have made. Also, a lot of the reason why you're happy about a draft pick is because they exceed expectations. And Travis Kelsey didn't necessarily do that because you expected this out of him. Josh Jacobs, more so than any other player in the top five at any position, exceeded expectations. I agree with that.

That's why Jalen Hertz is there, I think, because I don't think you thought he was going to be the number one quarterback. Maybe you did if you drafted him. But, I mean... He was incredible. Like I said, same amount of points as Peyton Manning's 55 touchdown year. Crazy. Kelsey's value, you're right, Craig,

was about everyone else's titans being worse than expected. Josh Jacobs value was like found money. And that's much more exciting. Yeah. All right. So I think it is Jacobs. Congratulations. What unbelievable.

Can you imagine if when Hyphids gave that cake or whatever? I'm hoping I wake up and it's just like, this is just a nightmare I had. Oh, God. It's like the Ron Howard voice. The screen freezes and it goes, Josh Jacobs had the best year in fantasy history. I feel like we didn't really spend enough time

that you guys asked me about Josh Jacobs and my actual internet cut out. For 20 minutes. Literally 20 minutes. I mean, I'm not going to lie. I feel like, did you guys never, like, consider like not believing me? Did you wonder if I just had like a nervous breakdown or something? We thought you were, like, avoiding the question and just playing dead, like playing pasta on the Zoom.

smirk, like the Zoom froze and you had like a little smirk on your face. You know, you can play Zoom possum, where if somebody calls in you, you don't want to answer, you can just not move. That's what I did. My internet was fine. I just stayed still for 20 minutes. You just heard, D.K. and I talk about the Coachella lineup for 20 minutes. That really happened.

Their vision is based on movement. All right. Well, that does it. In rewatchable's fashion, we went longer than planned. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Hyphitz. And thank you to the one and only. Thank you, Lauren.

Highfitz? Hyphitz. I thought Hyphitz was going to say something. Oh, sorry. Lauren! All right, good. Thank you, Nottie by nature. Nottie by nature?

Yeah. What do they do? Hip hop, array. Oh, OPP. Yeah. You down with OPP? Nice. Hyphitz, nothing.

What are the odds that the Josh Jacobs was, like, I pointed out the guy that was like, I don't like this guy. that's the best player you could have. You were really railing on him. You essentially had to pick one player to shit on and you chose the actual worst player you could have. Should I just because stanza myself next season?

Probably. Take your strongest thought, your strongest urge for one player and then just do the opposite. Yeah. I'm going to see what happens. Okay, well, it's just amazing. Until next year. We'll be back.

It's Wednesday in people's ears right now, hopefully. But if not, Thursday, we'll be coming out with the ringer NFL draft show, and we'll be back next Monday to do playoff awards shows. So stick around.