The Ringer NFL Show - The 2022 NFL Draft Mailbag

Episode Date: March 31, 2022

We open the mailbag to answer varying draft and non-draft related questions about topics including Bruce Arians stepping down as head coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, how players are scouted in the Power Five vs. smaller conferences, favorite live-broadcast NFL draft memory, the state of the NFL draft trade market, which NFL personalities you would like to see slap someone, and more. We finish up with a fun fact and a few listeners submitted prompts for America’s favorite game, Two Jargons One Lie. (1:39) Mailbag (47:14) — Two Jargons One Lie Check out The Ringer’s 2022 NFL Draft Guide. Email us! [e-mail]. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Ben Solak, and Craig Horlbeck Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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ringer fantasy football at gmail.com or tweet at us, whatever. We like hearing from you. We're going to go right to do it. We got an email from Will who asked about the bucks. Will, yeah, Will, obligatory. Will. He asked about the bucks without Bruce Ariens. So Bruce Ariens retired, got promoted up, pushed out secretly by Tom Brady.

I don't really know what the correct phrase is. But Will asks, are the bucks better, worse, or the same with Bruce Ariens stepping down his head coach or stepping up? I don't know. D.K. Solek, who wants to take that first? I can go. I would say the same,

ish. I would think it probably doesn't make a huge difference, honestly, because I think Brady is going to be the one that's running the show, obviously with Byron or Left Witch, calling the offense. And I think that's not going to really change all that much.

And then defensively, you're still going to have bowls running the defense. And so, like, to me, the big picture thing is maybe, I don't know, he sets a different, culture in the locker room or whatever in terms of Ariens and what he brings to the table. But I think really like day-to-day operations is probably not all that difference.

So like, what do you think? Right. I think that you, like, I think the answer has to be worse just because Bruce Ariens was there and they were really good and now he's not. And like maybe they won't be. Right. I don't think it's likely that they won't. I mean, it says like once you introduce uncertainty, then like the average outcome, right?

If you like simulated it a thousand times is probably worse. but Todd Bowles has head coaching experience. He was running the whole defense for years. Byron Lefich was calling the offense. I think like the Sunday operations stay like as far as making head coach change, like as static, as smooth of a transition as you'll like ever see in the league. Monday to Saturday is the thing that's just the question mark, right? You just don't know.

Like there's like Bruce for all I know could have just been like Monday through Saturday, just like, you know, coming in like late by NFL coach standards, you know, having like a noon cocktail, you know what I mean? Like, it could have been the ship was just running itself because his coordinators were so good and Brady was so good. But you don't really know what a guy was doing like smoothing over frustrations, right? Like dealing with Jason Pierre Paul, who's probably like really, you know, frustrated he's not playing as well. He's getting old. Like you just don't know what head coaching politics stuff were going on and you lose that.

To me, that introduces some uncertainty. So like worse because it kind of has to be. But in terms of transitions, this is as as good of one as I think you're going to see. Ariens in his presser that was announcing like his retirement or whatever quote unquote retirement even though he's going into the front office at his presser he was like I didn't do shit

like he was just thanking all the coaches and everything around him for all the staff around him for playing nine holes every morning that's why he's so damn red and this is what he said that this is what he's been talking about though yeah this is the elephant in the room here I mean Bill Simmons said three or four weeks ago

in his pod like Brady may not want to play for Bruce Ariens anymore and look for Bruce Arons to leave in the next month. And when Bill said that, I was like, no way that that's happening. And he was right. And so, I mean, like, we can sit here and be like, oh, Bruce, you know, he's, oh, look, he put together a great staff. He's stepping on the top. Does Brady want him gone or what? Because it really seems like now that we see in retrospect, Tom Brady was in the glazers box at that Manchester United game because they own both teams the day before he announced he was coming back. It's like, it kind of seems like he wanted Bruce Erings

to not be the head coach of this team. Oh, did we not, did we already not say that? Yes, that's clear. I feel like we probably buried the lead on that a little bit, but yes, that's what happened. I, okay.

The thing is, like, I think that might be true, but I also think that it's not, like, an animosity. Like, I don't know. I think it's probably like, Brady's like, you know, I like somebody else.

Like, whatever, yada yada. Bruce is like, okay. Like, Bruce, like, Bruce took the job because he knew Brady was coming and it was an opportunity to hang out in Tampa nice weather

win a Super Bowl he did that so I don't think Brady was like I don't want Bruce is my coach or Bruce was like I want to still be the coach I think Bruce was like sure

this works I think it's like a lot of money like the whole reason we're doing this right now is Tom and so like if like I'm not gonna be here like I'm not trying to coach still like Bruce

one of the reasons why Todd Bowles and Byron left which were so empowered just because Bruce is in his late 60s and just done everything that he needs to do and doesn't really feel the need to be really running a ship anymore. So like, I like,

I don't, I don't, if that were, if that's what happened, like Brady didn't want Bruce to be the coach, I don't think it was, it probably wasn't like a, like there was a thing with animosity, would be my guess. I think, I think that's right. I think that's the context that is important. It's not like to hate each other. But I do think Brady was the reason that Ariens is retiring slash going into the front office.

So he's basically saying that he was too old and he had his foot out the door and he wasn't putting in the time necessary because you're saying it's not a personal thing. It's kind of implying, well, it's professional. He wasn't a good coach anymore. Like, I get that everyone likes Bruce Ariens and there's a great big desire to be polite about this. But Tom Brady basically,

we're basically saying Tom Brady didn't think he was good enough to be a coach. Is that what we're saying here? I'd see how that thing is like, I don't know if it's that. Good enough is not the right word. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, like, I, far be it from me to read into Tom Brady's actions and try to understand the man. Because we've been doing that for 24 years. unsuccessfully. So I don't really know. Like, listen, I bet you in terms of how Brady operates

and like, you know, like 6 a.m. avocados. And for Bruce to be like as chill as he was, Brady probably is just like, that's not how I like to do things. I think that's exactly what it is. Yeah. Yeah. I agree.

And I think proof of the pudding is in the eating for me. Bruce Aaron is a good coach. Nothing Tom Brady thinks or says and makes me believe otherwise. 100%. And I want to be clear about that too. I think it's more just like a personality.

It's also funny that at the end of your football career like Tom Brady, it is almost the exact opposite as the end of your football career as Bruce Ariens, where Bruce Ariens can show up at noon and leave at five. And Tom Brady has to do the exact opposite where to be able to play at 45, your entire life has to be dedicated to keeping your body right. And so perhaps, yeah, those philosophies just didn't work together. Well, I actually think that might be a part of it. Bruce Ariens actually said to Peter King on NBC, uh, what today's Thursday. I think Wednesdays, I think Wednesday when this came out. Bruce Ariens literally said to Peter King, I don't have to worry about how many cocktails have on Saturday night.

What a letter. I love areas. Dude, his vibes are great. His vibes are actually. Dude, he's 70 or 69 years old. He's old.

Yeah. Yeah. He's always so old. He's too old. He's so old. Look at him. He's too old. Balls.

Okay. We got another, we got an email from Liam here. Liam. Liam. Liam says without top tier quarterbacks in this draft, do you foresee many trades in the draft? Will teams like the Lions and Texans be forced to stay put due to minimal interest in the

top of the draft? great question right way to think about things and I think the answer is no because of like the thread that you're talking out there Liam which is that without quarterback demand there's no

oh like we really like this guy but you can move down without like a really star talent at the other positions too like the edge class is good but there's no real real start off the tackle class you said the same thing corner class and like star star star star just don't think you're going to see big movement in the top 10

I think why risk losing that extra second or that extra third or that extra swing at the plate in order to go get a guy when you're just not that gung-ho about him? The exception is if Malik spirals into the Steelers range. I think if we see Malik get into the late single digits early teens, you're going to see the Steelers make a big package for Malik. That would be the only big trade that I would expect. But this whole like Detroit takes Malik Willis the two things. To me, that's all like, somebody come make us a trade offer sort of a thing.

I think they're trying to drum up business. I agree with that. I think you're right exactly in terms of, it feels like the inflection point in the draft, which is normally like two, three, four, like the picks two, three, and four or whatever after what happens with the first couple, is now like, okay, what's going to happen at 8, 9, 10, 11?

I saw, I heard Daniel Jeremiah said this, and he's very plugged into the league and coaches and front office people. And he was saying he's not going to be surprised at all if the Jets trade back from 10. So keep that in mind. Obviously, a million things have to happen for that to be the case. But like, I could see the Seahawks trade back too if they decide they want to get even more draft capital out of number nine.

You know, Ben, I post-posited this like a while ago. And the idea that maybe trading up and down in this draft will be cheaper than in normal years because there are no elite blue chip talents to like trade around for. And you you thought that was wrong. And I actually, and now I'm thinking, like, maybe teams won't do it because they don't want to change, like, the status quo of, like, what it costs to move around. Does that make sense? So, like, they're not going to do it at a discount. And therefore, they just won't do it. I could see it becoming cheaper, like, all in draft day.

You know what I mean? I could see, like, where you should have one off on the table, the draft didn't fall your way and you just go. Because teams, like, I say the class isn't that good. Like, oh, the edge class isn't that great. But that's not going to stop the giants from falling crazy in love with Jermaine Johnson for, like, no, not like, for no reason. Every year. This happens. Yeah.

But like that happens, right? And then that guy, like, he doesn't fall to you. And you're like, frick, let's get out of his pick. And it's like, dude, just draft Tibido. Like, this is good. And they're like, no, we love Germain. He can't get over it. So I guess he happened on draft day.

But yeah, I just think it's going to be a quiet trade market. I think teams are going to want to see what other teams do as the draft falls. And that's true for quarterbacks and for non-quarterbacks, because right now there's so much uncertainty, even after pick number one, that if you are the Giants, they got nine, right? High Fitz, they got nine? Or is it the Jets? The giant has 7 and the Jets have 4.

Okay, Jets have 9. This whole two New York teams in the top 10 is really throwing me for a loop. I did not sign up for this. They got too many picks, too many area, whatever. New York has 40% of the top 10. It is a little bit of it. Yeah, I don't like it. So the Jets have 10.

The Jets are at 10. The Jets want Kavon Tibado. There's a legit chance Tibod is there at 10. There's also a legit chance Tibico goes at 2. So the Jets aren't moving off 10 until they see where Tibito goes. And even then, oh, shoot, Ikea Kuanu is falling.

You know what I mean? Like if we get movement, it's going to be on draft day right before picks because there's so much uncertainty right now, top 10. I agree, but I guess overall, every single time we talk about trades with this year's draft, it's always just everyone wants to trade down.

It's the Lions want to move down from two, the Texan move down from three, the Seahawks one to jump from nine, the Jets one moved down from 10. No one wants to move up. Like, the only teams that are desperate enough to move up to get a quarterback really seems to be the Panthers. That seems to be the only team,

and even the GMs, Scott Fitterer is out here being like, you know, there's no great quarterback this year. Do we take a quarterback or left tackle? I don't know. That doesn't sound like a dude taking a quarterback in the top six. Like, I don't really understand who the teams are that would be moving up. And even if the teams do want to move up, it's not that easy. I don't know.

I feel like there will, there's a chance there's less trades in the first round this year than there have been in a really, really long time. So I think it's a good question. Okay. Next up, we got name it from Drew. Drew. Drew. Drew. Drew.

I love this one. Drew. Drew asked, what's your favorite? NFL draft memory in terms of off script live TV fun has the draft ever had like a will smith moment laramie tonsel bong hit was absolutely the correct answer just an al timer the gas mask bong hit i mean come on that's like straight out of like arrested development script or something and it did make him drop too which is crazy like he was supposed to be the top three pick or something like that and he dropped all the way down to i can't remember what it was 10 or 11 um and so that one was

crazy. The other one that came to my mind, Hafeitz, that I think I've talked to you about this was don't take this from me. I probably not gonna. I don't think I'm going to. It was during the pandemic draft and Roger Goodell, I think, threw his back out at some point during the broadcast. Yes, that was very good. Because he kept

getting more and more comfortable and more awkward sitting in his chair. He wouldn't even get up to announce like the picks after a little while. I was like, this is a man who has thrown out his back because I've experienced that. That's exactly the posture you sit in when you throw out your back. And so maybe I've manufactured that, but I think it's real.

Can we get Joe Rogan to talk about this? We need to like elevate this. This isn't really talked about enough that Roger Goodell might have thrown at his back during the draft. It's just like lounging in the chair. She's like, he had a couple cocktails and he's like, I'm just going to sit. Yeah.

I feel like sitting. It's a sitting time. Now it's sit time. The single best NFL drafts moment that will never ever ever be topped ever is Quinn and Williams, the defensive tackle out of Alabama. live on television.

And anybody who doesn't know Quinnon, Quinnon is like, he's just a kid in a big man's body. Like, he was 20 years old in this draft. He literally has braces or had braces. He had braces at the time. He's just like a fun loving dude. He's just like a fun dude,

love to joke, love to goof around. He's just like, a happy, fun dude to be around. And he's just goofy. And this was when they played Oklahoma in the semifinal, like a couple months previous. And they were asking him about the offense. And he was basically just like about playing Oklahoma. and he basically like

Oklahoma's bad and they don't care and they know they're going to beat them and then like halfway through his answer realized what he was doing and just cut himself off and then did not follow up just was like yeah no we're not really scared about nothing

no like just frozen just nothing right so this is Quinnin's experience on the mic he's getting interviewed during the draft and he sneezes and he can tell he's going to sneeze like he starts like trail off and he's like

that blah blah da and then and then he goes bless you thank you to himself. I forgot about that. He sneezed and then said bless you. He blessed himself.

Thank you. And then continued with his answer. And it was the single greatest thing I am. I've ever seen on television ever. Just bless you. Thank you. And that's why I'm going to be a really good player in the NFL. It's amazing.

I'll never read. He has a split personalities. Yeah. Icon. God, that's good. So Google, Quinn and Williams, bless you, thank you. if you've never seen this before. It is.

We dropped that clip in here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, good deal. The hard work, the dedication of the different characters things. Listen, thank you that I got here. So that was a good one.

I completely forgot about that. That's a deep cut. I also had Laramie Tunsel the gas mask. Yeah. Yeah. Tunsel's the actual correct answer, but quitting is the, that's the indie answer.

Yeah, that's the, yeah, exactly. I feel like this year something crazy has to happen. Just to like being on brand with the 2020s in general. Just something weird as hell is going to happen. In Vegas, are they still do the boat thing? Like, they are set up for...

Oh my God. I forgot about the boat stuff. I don't know Vegas, but there's an area that's a fountain. Yeah, yeah, there's a big fountain. Originally, this was a ringer obsession before the pandemic in the before, like one of the last ringer obsessions in the before times was that they were going to do the draft in Vegas and they were going to at first we thought they were going to walk

up on the stage to the water but they're going to do like the red carpet for the draft walk on water like with boats like you're going to get on a boat and like in a like a not a canoe with a gondola at like the Venetian or whatever whichever one has the fountain and like you have to paddle

or someone's going to like paddle you to the stage you're walking up onto a stage you got to walk up onto a boat and then a boat's got to take you to the stage which is a nightmare logistically and also just begging 360 pounds of Evan Niel. No, no, no, 360 pounds of Jordan Davis to just eat it in the Venetian fountain.

It would be horrible. There's your best draft moment of all time. That's perfect. Who's the funniest player that could fall in the water this year? Jordan Davis. Yeah, he's definitely Jordan Davis. Like Jordan Davis, who's 360, ran a 484 or whatever the heck it was,

just simply one of the most athletic people that's ever existed, just at the pinnacle of his professional career. just eats it in a fountain that there was no reason for him to be in at any given time. The ultimate power move would be jumping out of the water like that prospect

who jump out of pools to prove they're really athletic. All right, that's really good. Okay, related, Steve tweeted us Steve Dan, I don't know, he had Twitter handle was one name, his name was the other, I don't know what you're names.

Steve Dan, Steve and Dan. Steve and Dan, Steve or Dan, Dan Steve. Gabe Dave. Gabe Dave. Oh, I love Gabe, Dave. If you could pick one NFL personality, a coach, a player, an owner,

whatever. to slap another personality during the Super Bowl, who would you choose and why? I think there's an extremely obvious answer to this that's correct. During the Super Bowl? Like instead of the Oscars, like this giant televised moment we're all watching, Super Bowl, championship game, whatever.

Like someone slaps someone else in the NFL world. Because I think there's an obvious answer. All right, what is it? High Fitz. It's Tom Brady and Bill Belichick. If Tom Brady, for whatever reason, I don't care if they're playing each other or the same team,

if Tom Brady slapped Bill Belichick, like Will Smith hit Chris Rock. That would be the most incredible moment of my entire life in sports. Bar none. I was going to say that during the Ravens Niners Super Bowl, it would have been really funny

if Jim slapped John Harbaugh and they kind of started to fight. That's what he goes like in the Super Bowl, right? Gives him a headlock and noogies him. That's good. Oh wait, I just realized that it backwards.

Bill Belichick should be hitting Tom Brady. That would be really fun. Yeah. I put Mike Tomlin slapping Ben Rothesberger just for all the years. For all the years of service that he had to... My first thought was to keep to leave Michael Crabtree.

Let's re-stoke the chain-snatching drama. I almost put that, yes. Which that's the thing is like, I think it has to be a player. I think it's got to be, maybe two players, but it's got to be a player because they're always wearing helmets. So they never...

You get slap up player. You're an idiot. Because you're slapping a helmet, you're dumb. So if we're in no helmet situation, and it's just, Akim Slebe walks up in his, like right now in his broadcasting suit, walks up to Michael Crabtree, who's like on the sideline for some reason,

just bang, we just do that, like bring that whole drama back. Sherman Crabtree, also acceptable. Oh, yeah. That's what I'm talking about.

Michael Crotry is a lot of people to slap. Trent Williams, one time after the Seahawks, I believe beat Washington in a playoff game, like smushed Richard Sherman's face. It was like kind of like a punch. Oh, a smush. The John Howard's like a slap.

Do you remember this? John Howard, you're right. Yeah. Yeah. Wait, what? Juan Howard. He's smushed to somebody.

It wasn't a slap, it wasn't a punch. It was an open-hand smush. I know what you mean. We need to bring smush into the lexicon. Because punching a man is very bad. That's a good word for the face shove. Yes.

Punching a man is very bad. Slapping a man is a little bit better, but still bad. Smushing a man. It feels like this gray area needs to be acknowledged, because it really is. I had one more that came to mind. And this came to mind because it felt like as the season went on, Mike Zimmer got more and more just angry and angry and mad and just surly,

curmudgeonly. I want to see Mike Zimmer slap Kirk Cousins and then yell, you like that? The other one I had, the other one I had was elite quarterback after a game-winning drive, slaps, place kicker who messes up field goal slash extra. point actually this is the game. I don't care who, what it is. I don't care if it,

Mahomes, Brady, Rogers, whatever. Like, Mason Crosby was terrible this year. Just imagine, like, Crosby blows one of those game winning field goals. And Rogers just calmly walks up the sideline. Crosby's, like, jogging back over, like head and hanging down, whatever, like, tough one. He expects you like a pat on the butt. Like, it's all right, buddy,

good job. And Roger just open hand. Bang! Get it together, baby. That was my MVP moment, which you still want MVP. But still, that would always be an acceptable one. Imagine instead of the head coach handshake, just a slap. Like they pulled their hand out of the last second. Slap. You can't grab your face. You just have to endure it.

Or smush. I like the smush. I think an underrated part of NFL culture is that the really big guys, the delinement, and the offensive line, really don't respect smaller people. Like, they really, like, they don't. General Earth theory. Yeah. Yeah. If you're like a foot, you're like a hundred pounds short. They love that Randy Newman song, short people. Yeah. It's just, they don't.

We got another one from John. John. John. John A. Jack. I love this. This is a thoughtful question. John says, when watching tape to evaluate prospects from smaller schools or schools from worse conferences, how do you separate out what will carry over to the NFL level away from what, away from the obvious tools like size or speed? Because when I watch Kavon Tibido go up against Pac-12 tackles or last year watching

Trey Lance Duke future middle school gym teachers from central Arkansas. Yeah. That's funny. I can't help but think of guys like Alabama cornerback Patrick Sartain having to cover Jemar Chase and Justin Jefferson in the SEC. and how vast the talent levels between the top-tier college football teams and every other type of team are

and how big they are and that messes with my own personal evaluations of players. So how heavily does the competition level in college weigh in the evaluation of college prospects? We can start with you, D.K. I mean, I think the simple answer is a lot. Like it matters.

It obviously matters. I think there's very many logical reasons for it to matter. The level of competition thing is going to be a massive, you know, going from college football to the NFL in general, but then going from a smaller conference

against worst competition going up into the NFL is a massive, massive difference. Which was always kind of my question last year. At this time last year, it was pretty much locked in that Zach Wilson and Trey Lance were QB2 and 3. And I never quite understood why Justin Fields was never in that conversation

for not to mention three, but two. Like, why is Zach Wilson on the sudden the locked-in guy at number two? Obviously, time will tell how all these guys pan out. None of them really played well. their rookie year. So I think the book is, the jury is still out on all those guys.

But going from, like in Zach Wilson's case, like going from a lower level competition where his offensive eye is absolutely just fucking dominating in front of him. He's sitting back there, stand in for like 10 seconds, can scan the field,

do whatever he wants, launching bombs, and going to the NFL where you're playing for the jets and your protection's breaking down almost immediately and blah, blah, like that is a massive, massive difference.

And that's something that you have to take into account with all these small school guys. It's why, for instance, a guy like Sky Moore is a very intriguing receiver prospect. He's probably going to go off the board in the second round. But, of course, he is, you know, he's playing a much lower level division or conference. Hasn't seen the type of competition at a corner that you're going to see at the NFL level. So you have to, like, I guess just bake in this huge, huge jump. And it really does just come back to it.

I know John mentioned this, but like the office. obvious physical tools are the main thing that you can really think of. But then I think you do have to just, you know, dock these guys just a little bit for playing at a lower level. I don't know how you really do it. It's not necessarily something that, like, is super scientific. You just kind of have to account for it. So, like, how would you answer that?

It's a tough one. Yeah. So I think I've talked about this before, but like a good way of thinking about draft decision making is guardrails, right? Like, we can do anything within these guardrails. We can make decisions. We can make judgments. But, like, we have guard rails and we won't go outside of them.

So there's things that I think are, are inevitably true about level of competition. One is that if you are a small school player, which to me is like a couple, like some of the group of fives, depending on the conference, right? Like I would say like Houston, Cincinnati, these aren't really small schools.

But like small school player, it's like, you know, the FCS level, Division III, whatever. You better dominate. And that's where like Christian Watson is really interesting to me. I would not say that Christian Watson at North Dakota State,

the wider seat where Michael round one, dominate when I watch him on tape. I would not say that he, like, when I say dominate, I'm not talking about like stats. I'm talking about, like, do you just could you take any football fan, make them watch this film and go, that's the NFL player. With Watson, he's got the size, so maybe,

but I wouldn't say he dominates. I wouldn't say that he's always open. I want to see he's always breaking tackles, always making catches, whatever. So lower level, you better dominate if I'm going to trust you. That's where you get like a Trey Lancet 3 is because that guy just mowed over kids, right? When he was running the ball, he just threw it beyond where

safeties could get to. He was clearly a different class. Yeah, he looked like he was. a totally different level than everyone else. Yeah. And then the other guardrail is in the SEC, it just means more. And that is legit. Like, that's a meme, but that's legit, right? The Patrick Sir Tant thing is a great example.

We know Sir Tann was covering NFL guys because we were drafting the guys he covered. We were drafting them very high. Like, it was more clear than watching who else in that class. Horn was also SEC. Assante

Samuel playing at Florida State. In the The ACC is just not the same, right? And so the SEC means more. That's one guardrail. Another guard rail is if you're a small school, you got to dominate. Outside of that, okay, Kavanaugh-Tibod plays in the Pack 12.

It certainly matters because he sees, like, you know, less true five tech alignments, like true outside alignments than he did. But there's still enough reps that if you watch all of them, and teams can just, like, you know, use PFF sorting, use, like, all the services they use and get all the reps where he's lined up. in the role they expect to use them in,

watch those reps and say, all right, it's a Pac-12 recruit that he's facing. Like, that's good enough. Like, we feel confident enough in this. You're going to see some programs, right? Some NFL teams draft a lot more from, like, the SEC and the Big Ten,

than other teams, right? The Eagles are really willing to draft from the Pac-12, where other teams aren't because they don't trust that as much, right? So there's flexibility in there that goes within your team. But once you're, like, play to Power 5, you played a good group of 5, you got some reps against the Power 5 teams, you played in a conference championship,

there's usually enough reps to figure out what you're about. A rough reps against real guys, real competition to be like, I can trust this guy or I can't. And so in general, level of competition matters in terms of big buckets, but I think it gets a little bit over-discussed when it comes like really granular stuff. All right. Completely switching gears. We have a question from Ellie.

Ellie. Ellie. It's about fighting kids. In regards to the Ole Miss quarterback, Matt Corral. Matt Corral having to transfer high schools because he got in a fight with Wayne Gretzky's son. Which is great. Which professional athlete's kid

would you most like to fight while in high school? I got one. Craig, give it to us. I have a bit of a true story. Oh, wow. Okay. Austin Cooper. It's mostly a lie and there's a little bit of truth and got to find it.

All right, go. I didn't actually fight this kid. And he does, he's not going to remember me, but I remember him because he's the son of a famous athlete. Chris Mullen's son, Chris Mullen Jr. Oh, wow. I used to play C.Y.O. basketball against him. I was on St. Raymond's and he was on St. Isidors. And I hated that kid.

I hated the way he played. He was one of those like kind of like flashy point guards. You know, he was doing like the behind the back passing. We were like in like seventh grade. We get it. Your dad's in the NBA. We get it. Your dad's in the NBA. And he would always beat us. St. Isidore was always like the tippity top. They were like the Yankees of CYO. And St. Raymond's, we were just like the underdogs trying to like scrape by. And yeah, man, if I had another whack at it back when I was young, who knows. You know, maybe I would have smushed him. Smush. Did he have like a flat top like his dad and all that?

He had long hair and it would be like kind of in like a thing. But now his hair is buzzed as he got older. He buzzed it. That's hilarious. This is not an athlete. And this is not about the events of this week. But I've always wanted to fight Jaden Smith. Okay.

There's nothing. That's interesting. I just don't like his son. I just don't. Holy shit. He's an icon. living, dude. He just loves to talk about how great homeschooling it is. And he's like,

kids, you shouldn't go to school. And I'm like, you know what, man? Kids. I don't know if that's the best advice. That's funny. I like that. You just have a personal disdain for Jayden Smith. So I like how that's a real example. I took this into the hypothetical realm because I pictured myself being back in high school. And then I pictured

people in the NFL now whose kids I would imagine are annoying. And the first person I came to mind is Joe Flacco. What the hell is Joe Flacco ever done to you? I don't know. He has an annoying kid in my mind who is like a bully in high school. D.K said as a father, I can read into whose kids are annoying and Joe Flacco's kids are

annoying. Yeah. This is my father. Joe. Those kids think their shit don't stink. I'm sick of it, Joe. Your son is a dick. I actually don't know if he has kids or not.

I'm just, dude, it's all hypothetical. Would you feel this if you didn't have the five o'clock shadow? He's shocked at me. When Flacko had the 5 o'clock shadow completely changed how we thought of him It was like bad boy Joe. It would be really funny to power rank whose kids we think would suck

Who's fake kids suck? Also, Jay Cutler's fake 18 year old son that I go to high school with is annoying as fuck. I feel like Philip Rivers, like one of the middle kids in Philip Rivers is a children is annoying. Yeah.

Kid four sucks. Statistically one of the river's kids has to suck. The black swan. of children. There has to be one. Oh my God. Okay. That was fantastic. Statistically speaking, yeah. Okay. All right. So like, do you want to fight anyone? Yeah. So I was

in high school from 2011, 2011, 2015. And I was in high school in Northeastern Pennsylvania, and I was an Eagles fan. And like, I would say about 50% of the people in that area were Eagles fans, but because we were so close to Jersey and to New York, the other 50% would be New York

fans. And this, so, like, this was off of to, like, Eli won his second Super Bowl, my freshman year. And I should remember all of the giant fans being so annoying. They were the Eagles Divisional rivals. And I knew, even then I knew that Eli wasn't actually that good. Like, now that I'd cover this professionally, I'm like, yo, Eli sucked. But like, when I was in high school, I was like, yeah, Eli sucked.

And, like, that was just like, Eagles vibes. I would have fought Eli Manning's kid. Because the Giants fans pissed me off so, I would fight nobody. But the Giants fans pissed me off so much. And I was so mad that the Giants kept winning Super Bowls. They kept beating the Patriots and Eagles lost to the Patriots. That 18-year-old Ben in the pinnacle of his Eagles' obsessive fandom would have seen Eli Manning's kid with his little Eli-Manning forehead,

his little Eli-Manning facial expressions. Daniel Jones, if I went high school with Daniel Jones because he's Eli-Manning's son, I would have fought him. There you go. Just picture Arch Manning, five-star quarterback coming out of high school right now. Yeah. I think is he Cooper's son? I don't know if he's son.

I think so, yeah. The problem is I wasn't tall enough in high school to reach Arch Manning's face. too too too too too too all right he would smush you yeah yeah he would smush me okay

yeah did we decide who would win all these fights by the way we'd be losing all these fights I would like just jaden smith

he's like 5-7 is he that small will Smith is huge is jad smith small I don't I guess when you Google the height of a child seven really small

the internet the internet best crap yeah yeah he is 57 all right wow weak feeble

I'm flipping gears right back to football this is from Cole about offensive line play Cole Cole Cole so this week I don't know if you guys this is me talking

but like this week did you guys see Evan Neal the Bama tackle said that he could play either tackle spot either guard spot and he would still make an impact yeah so Cole writes

the thing that stuck out to me about that is the fact that Evan Neal is 6 foot 7 and I started looking through NFL starting guards and there was hardly anyone above 6 5 or 66 and like Neil played guard at Bama but maybe I'm overthinking this

but I'm curious do you think you can be too tall to play guard in the NFL? Too tall. This sounds like a question for Robert Mays. Mays loves talking about how tall people are. So like, I want to throw that to you first. Yeah. I once,

Mays once tried to convince me that you can't be jacked if you're short. He was like, you'd only be jacked if you're tall. I'm pretty sure you were there, D.K. That's just not. And you did not rise to my defense, but whatever. Mays also spent like 10 years trying to figure out why there were no tall quarterbacks. And then we just had an episode of Hard Knocks where John Gruden just said the answer and his mind was kind of blown.

He was just like, I was like, you know, that guy's Jack. He's short. I was like, that's not what Jack needs, but this is an aside. The answer is like, yes, a little bit. Like, it's not that like, if you're 6-7, you're going to be a bad guard. It's that the best guards don't struggle with leverage because you're going to get these, these defensive tackles. They come really hot off the snap.

One step, shoulders are down, hips are low. They are trying to get underneath you. And if you don't have a low center of gravity and you can't drop your hips, which is tough for tall guys to drop their hips and anger against that guy, he's going to put pressure in the lap of your quarterback immediately. Interior pressure is a nightmare to deal with because it is there right now, right in the lap,

can't step up, it sucks. And so height can be a disadvantage on the interior because you give up that leverage point and you give up that immediate interior pressure. Whereas on the outside, length, which is usually correlated with height, right? The tall of you are the longer your arms usually are is a big advantage

because you can go and contact that edge, rusher before he gets to you. That doesn't help as much in the interior because the defense tackles already on top of you. He's already right there. And so just by selection bias, we just typically if a guy is 6-7, we don't put him on the interior. That only happened to Alabama because they have Alex Leatherwood and Judge of Will's and yad-y-y-y-data

whatever, right? At any other school, that's six-seven guy is going at tackle now because that's where his length is valuable. And so we always push those tall guys to tackle because that's where their length helps. It doesn't help as much in the interior. It actually can hurt them at times. And then as the NFL draft process goes, the good tackles tend to be the 6-7 guys and the good

interior guys don't really have any six seven dudes to to even tap in on, let alone deal with the disadvantages. So it's not that like being six seven makes you bad, it's that before you even get to the draft, we're trying to move those six, seven guys to tackle, so just avoid the problem in the first place. I just want to make sure I understood that point. You're basically saying that when you play guard, because it's so tight in the middle, a collision is unavoidable. And so when you're engaged with that guy, shorter arms actually, it's like a bench press. Lowman wins. It's easier to wait. Yeah, low man wins. And yeah. Langell certainly helps. teat at the edges, so you need long arms to make

sure there is contact because you don't want them to get around you. Yeah, and you can initiate it right. Exactly. You can get around them. When you're long on the outside, you're making that corner that the edge has to get around bigger. You're making it longer. You're increasing the distance. The edge has to go upfield to get around you, which that makes

it harder for him to turn that corner, get flat to the quarterback and make the sack. That's why your Jordan and Milana's and your Orlando Browns of the world are so valuable. It's because, like, Milana was starting for the Eagles when he wasn't even good. It was just he was enormous. And when you're enormous as offensive tackle. It's really hard to get around that guy.

All right. That was a good question from Cole. And now we know Cole is Robert Mesa's burner. You know, that's good to know. Secret Cole. We got it, we got an email from Steve. Steve Alino.

Steve says the last year, the consensus shot in Freud a pick was Nagee Harris to the Steelers because the Steelers taking a running back in the first transit of alignment. In 2019, the shot in Freud to pick, what? Hyvitz, explain what shot in Freud is. Yeah, some of the listeners might not know what Sean Ford is.

I thought, okay. When you take, you know, when you like see other people's misery and it makes you happy. For example, when the Giants took Daniel Jones at number six and everyone made fun of me in the Giants for a year. Or when the bills took Josh Allen in 2018 and we all made fun of them and then did it again for two years until we were rough. But you take the joy in other people being dumb. Was the Stelish, was Noggi Harris really a shot in Freud to pick? I don't know if it was. Not to the same extent, probably in the analytics Twitter world, but not in real life.

Steve says, what is the 2022 first round pairing of a player and a team that would give either us or the world like the most shot in Freud, like the most like joy out of them being dumb? So mine's kind of a backwards pick. I think my shot in Freud is if the Packers do not select a wide receiver. Oh shit. That's what I had to. I had the Packers just take a defensive tackle and a linebacker with their two first round picks. Yeah. I interpreted, I must have misread this because I thought we were supposed to pick the players that our teams would pick that would make us the most miserable.

That also works. That's how I interpreted this question. My first thought was if the Seahawks at number nine picked Sam Howell, who I think is like a second rounder, I would be very sad. And then also for some reason, and Ben, you can give your take on this. Trevor Penning is getting mocked inside the top 10. and I could just see the Seahawks taking him at number nine and I would just be so sad about that. Real physical player.

We love his demeanor. I love the cut of his jib. You know, I think he's going to add a lot to our running game. Yeah, we think this would be a good, good culture addition to our team here. They just can't pass block

for five straight years. Yeah, this is exactly what I'm hearing John Schneider saying on draft night. And like, I just think he's a fringe first rounder so like I could absolutely see the Seahawks taking him top ten. Yeah.

Okay. No, to me, no, to me the obvious answer is pick a six to the Panthers. that's objectively hilarious. The Panthers mid-swath...

No, if they trade up for him. Yeah. Right. Any team trading up for quarterback is also pretty funny. After having intentionally passed on last year's draft class because they wanted to see

what Sam Donald had of the tank, after no free agent quarterbacks wanted to go there because it's horribly run. And just for Matt Rule to sit down and be like, man, we're really excited to get Kenny Pickett. You know, I met Kenny when he was 17,

and everyone in the beat room, which is like, we know, we've all. see the photos. We knew this was going to happen. It's the worst thing ever. Kenny Pick it to the Panthers. It would be great.

Okay. We have an email from Danny from Washington. Okay. Danny from Washington. This is me. I put, I saw Peter Schrager. That could be either of us,

by the way. We're both Danny from Washington. Wow. We've never talked about that. We've never thought of that before. That's actually kind of wild. I thought he was talking about me. I thought it was talking about myself.

Wow. That's kind of mindling. I just live in D.C. for everyone who's concerned with. Also, is this, wait, this is the Schefter one.

Isn't this Andy? Oh, no, no, I was going to read this Shreger tweet and I was going to just like, like,

like, oh, my bad. Desmond Ritter, who's the Cincinnati quarterback, was asked by Peter Schrager on Good Morning Football, and they asked him a song

you want to hear, any song. And he said, Averal Levine's complicated. And he said, I'm an early 2000's kid. And I listen to that one of my mom's car as a kid.

And, the whole draft process, it's kind of complicated. Deep. I like it more and more. I hope the Steelers drafts out. It's a great song. Are we allowed to play that without getting sued for like three seconds? For three seconds, we could probably get away with it. But is that really an enjoyable experience for the people at home? Yeah, because that'll get into like so complicated and like that's it. That's all everyone wants. Yeah, maybe. She just came out with a new album that people apparently enjoy. She had a new album? Yeah, she did. I saw her.

She opened for the Backstreet Boys when I was in college. Still hard at work. She opened for the Backstreet Boys when you were in college? Yeah. It's like 2015 or something. Wow. 14 maybe. Shout out Aver Levine.

Okay. Well, while we're here, I have another one. This is from Andy. This one's named me. Andy. Andy writes, I used to produce sports radio shows and have a personal Adam Schaefter story. This is actually, this is applicable because Adam Schaefter signed for like 10 million a year.

Yeah. Like your beers. After we had a whole, after we had a whole episode picking on Schefter, Rada of Foster, get in the bag. Congratulations, Schefter. Yeah. so great. Excited for 10 more years

of us getting to do that episode. Thank you for your time. Thank you for your service. Yeah. My liver is upset. I hope this is the only time I ever do this in the history of our podcast, but I might read a tweet that I had of my,

like, because I just made, I tweeted about Adam Schaefter's deal like it was Adam Schaefter. Toot, toot. I just like, I wrote, A&E's reached agreement with Adam Schaefter. And I had make sure to have like the NFL insider. I had like six commas.

I had the four dots. I was like, everyone listening. It was well done. It really hit all the notes. It was worthy of drinking an entire hurricane. I thought the, I thought the fact that you photoshopped a picture of Adam Schaefter

into a ESPN jersey was even better. I was, I was really, I got really into it. I was really, okay, anyway, Andy writes, I used to produce a sports radio show

and have a personal Adam Schifter story. My first job was on a show where the host was a former Denver, Denver Bronco, and the host new Schaefter from when Shefter covered the team. I reached out to Shefter for a radio hit, and he said,

could give us five minutes. During his interview, in the middle of a response, Schefter attempted to quietly order a chicken burrito at the news. I love this. He's, and Andy writes, I don't remember the exact context, but it basically was something like, and they're already all over the cornerback market, chicken burrito, with a focus on someone who can cover the slot. Good. Now, Andy says, Andy, Andy, I followed up with Andy and asked him if we could get the clip. Andy said that the clip is long lost and gone. However, another show on that network, it is Arizona's, sorry, 98.7 FM Arizona's sports station. Another show on that station clipped just him saying chicken burrito and used it as a drop.

So we actually have the audio if I'm saying just chicken burrito? Yes. And Craig, can we play that? I'm excited. Yes, we can. Great story. I love this. Short and sweet.

This is great. I love this because like big time reporters doing radio hits is like, it's, It's hard to get a guy like that to be on your radio show, you know? And so, like, just the fact he's, like, multitasking. He's just on cruise control. Shephti is such a maniac. I feel like that dude is just constantly talking to somebody while doing his, while going through his literal daily, he's like brushing.

Just shredding paper. Yeah. Yeah. You know how you randomly see Shepter just, like, on, like, he's on, like, a video show and he's, like, on FaceTime? I was, we're at the Combine, and I was walking from Radio Road to the podium. And he's on FaceTime, on a, show, like, in like a very trafficked hallway where, like, people are constantly walking by.

Like, I, like, was so close to being like, hey. And then I was like, oh, no, you're live on a show right now. Like, you're just doing this here. Like, you just got to be in this area right now, I guess. Shepter's on live television is just on his phone the whole time. It's like doing on ESPN. I also, I think I told you this. I interviewed Shepter once for a store. I was writing a few years ago. And I called him right in like middle March, free agency insanity. And he had no Wi-Fi. And it was like the funniest. I was trying to to laugh at him, but like he had, like he was trying to get his Wi-Fi fixed. And it's like March like 14th. And just seeing Schefter exist for like an hour where that Wi-Fi was pretty

incredible. Can you imagine being his wife and going out to dinner with him? Dude, he broke the Andrew Luck retirement at his, his mother-in-law's 75th birthday party. He left to do that. Oh, man. Anyway, shout out. That's what the money's for. Okay. We another email shout out Andy from that one. That's an incredible. email. Okay. We got an email from Alex. Alex. Alex. By the way, we actually got a couple of emails about that. Yeah. So we, for those who don't know, we got two jargons and a lie a couple weeks ago about from a, from a nurse. And it was a male nurse who said that male nurses use the term code pink to describe a like a hot daughter. Family member. Yeah. Hot family member is here,

which is pretty crude and crass, but I mean, I believe it. We apparently got a lot of corrections on that one from more professional nurses. Well, there's just to be clear, apparently different hospitals have different code systems. It depends on what hospitals are. Oh, that's confusing. I'm kind of surprised it's not standardized, but I guess there's a lot of health care. It's surprising. Alex says, my wife is a nurse practitioner, so I was interested to hear her reaction to the nursing

jargon. I was surprised she got the code pink was real right away since I figured that would be exclusive to the male nurses. But apparently, Code Pink is an official code that does get used over the PA system for a Lost child. Lost or stolen child. Like a stolen baby, which apparently is a thing that happens.

I feel like that should be like a code something worse than pink. It's a stolen baby. Code triple black. I like what Solek said. Craig and Deaconne out were just like, DefCon 5. We had no idea what to do. And Solac was like, well,

orange is fake because that's like too many syllables for a code. Codes are important. And I was like, oh, wow, that's a smart thing to say. I just think, I think, I just wonder, like I wonder, mentally for the guy who told us about Code Pink being a hot person. Imagine if he gets Code Pink over the radio next time he gets, he's listened to this show.

And he gets up, he's like, oh, a hot person. He sounds like walking at like a brisk pace. And then he remembers that Code Pink might also meet a lost child and just redoubles his pace. It's like, all right, this is actually serious now. Here we got to go. It's very funny to me to think of that progression. As he's looking for like the hot daughter, he just passes a baby who's just like roaming around. This doesn't even notice.

This is exactly what Alex wrote. He goes, I can't stop. up laughing, picturing some horny male nurse looking around for a hot daughter when really there's some poor child looking for their parents in a hot dog. Get out my way, kid. Have you seen the hot daughter, kid? Hey, kid. Hey, baby. Hey, baby. Like the old Dave Chappellell thing. Hey, baby. Shout out to all the very professional nurses who just spend their time looking for children instead of other things. All right, we got an email from Ethan. This is great.

Ethan? Ethan. This is a well actually. Literally subject title here. was a pedantic email about jargon. I want to point out. You found this email. You did the rare sift through the email account, which usually is my job. And I'm going to let you read this because you seem to be really tickled by this way. I think it was hilarious. First of all, Ethan was extremely kind.

I don't want anyone to take this as he was being a dick. He's basically tugging cheek. No, it was great. This is a good email. He says, I love two jargans and a lie. And rather than continue to feel like a ghost and yell, that's not jargon in my car on the way to work, I decided to send you an email to clarify the difference between jargon,

slang and idioms. It's important. Some background. Ethan has a PhD in communication and has been a professor for five years. So this makes a lot of sense that this would get stuck in his crah. Is that the expression? Is that an idiom? Is it an idiom or slang? I don't know. We'll find out. Idiom, I think, maybe? Slang? I don't know. Jargon, says Ethan, refers to words or expressions invented by members of a profession, hobby, or group where the use is standard in football. Something like yak or a dot cover two would be jargon. Slang on the. the other hand refers to informal or non-standard use of existing words or expressions by a group of people who understand the non-standard meaning in football.

Something like pigskin or gridiron would be slang. This is interesting. And then finally, idioms are phrases whose meaning is culturally understood but differs from the literal definition of the phrase. Most of the phrases you hear in two jargons and a lie are idioms. Burp the baby has plenty of sand in his pants. A covered wagon on the Audubon has tight skin. These are all idioms.

None of this all matters, of course, is easy. And I hope you enjoyed the lesson. Thanks. Thanks for giving me something to look forward to several days a week. So this is really two idioms and a lie. But it was actually two idiots and a lie. Yes. Listen, I'm going to hold these definitions so strong

so that the next time anybody uses slang, jargon, or idiom incorrectly, I can just hammer them. Like, Ethan was so graceful. And I'm going to use none of that grace. the next time somebody uses one of these phrases incorrectly. But I love this. This is the exact sort of email that I would send because being accurate with these synonyms to me

is very cool. So I very much appreciate this. They're not synonyms. They're different. On the exact op, yeah, that was the word. It's definitely the wrong word. I just want to be clear. Ethan is going to be ghost yelling at us,

that they're absolutely not synonyms. Yeah, those definitely don't mean the same thing. Closely related? Have any of you guys seen Archer? There's an episode of Archer. There's like a mini plot where he like gets stranded in an island and he's trying to communicate with like people who can't speak English. But he's realizing that like English you can't actually use without idioms. And they understand English perfectly well literally.

But none of them get idioms that he can't communicate anyway even though they speak English. It's like it's incredible. I love it. I also. I also am reminded of my cousin Vinnie because here's the thing. I love this email from Ethan. We're like totally going to keep calling it too jargon. It's like a lie.

Yeah. It's like, you know, the same like cousin Vinnie was like, Mr. Gambini, that was a thoughtful,

well laid out, lucid objection. Overruled. Like, I just, we're gonna keep calling it that. Yeah, even if it's inaccurate,

we're moving forward. But shout out, that was a very, he was very nice about it too. I actually cut about a couple compliments out. He was definitely not rude whatsoever. I just want to point that out because it was a funny email too.

I mean, at the end, he literally said none of this matters. I hope you enjoyed this. Yeah, it was a good professor. Can we rate my, do you think we could find Ethan, or rate my professor and give him five stars?

Probably. We'll go into the account. He sent me an email, teaching me what the word jargon meant. I don't know what he teaches. Actually, he did say. Not even in his class. It was great. It should be like an archaeology or something.

I don't know. Oh, no. The school of hard knocks, guys. Yeah. How's that for jargon? Hard knocks? Idium? So, for in Ethan's account,

we're going to do a special, we'll do a special segment of two idioms and a lie. An Ethan's account. Shout out Ethan. So let's do two idioms and a lie. We'll start with D.K. Or D.K. So who has the, who made it this week? Ben has it.

I've got the non-football related ones, or I should say the non-NFL related ones. Give us two idioms and a lie for the two idiots. Today on two idioms and a lie, we have. Taffy pole, bundle of wires, smooth pedal. What? Taffy pole? Taffy pole. Okay.

Bundle of wires, smooth pedal. Those are all idiots, right? This is just your Philadelphia accent. Are you saying Taffy Poole or Poole? P-U-L-L. Oh, Taffi-P-L. That's pole. Yeah, that's, sorry.

That's central P-A is what that is. My dad can't say pool, pool, and pull as three different words. My family from Pippur can't do pool. What do you drink out of a tap, Solek. Water. Are you one of them who says

Witter? Water. If you guys know this, the Delaware Water. I don't, I don't do water. I'm from like Northeast P. I'm not that close to Philly, but I do reduce the T, I say water, like, water, like, WAD. There are people in the Delaware Valley Gap that literally just say, like,

whitter. So, Ben, can you run through them one more time? Sorry. Taffy, pull, pull, bundle of wires, smooth pedal. This is really hard. I don't know what Taffy goal would mean.

Is Taffet like, saltwater Taffy? Is that when you, like, pull, like, what does that mean? You know how you do the Taffy thing? Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. The, like, thing on the wall. and you stretch it out. I don't know if it means he's got long arms or a taffy pull a tightly wound.

I'm not a taffy guy. My dad's like a dentist. I like, I think good saltwater taffy from like, it's kind of like, it's kind of like kitschy now, but in San Francisco you could get like good saltwater taffy on the pier. What?

What is it's sorry? What's a taffy pole again? It's you, you, you pull it apart like it's like my marshmallow. When they make the taffy, they stretch it. There's like a thing on the wall that you like wrap it around and pull it. Like a hook. And wrap around and pull.

Yeah, hook. And it's how you loosen it up. What football strangely satisfying things to watch? Yeah, that's tough. I don't need. Bundle of wires is what? As a bundle of wires,

like the kid's brain is scrambled. Like you can't, he can't untangle and make a decision. He doesn't know the right way to go. I don't know. And smooth pedal is also like, is that like a gas pedal? Like you're going real fast.

Like he can, he accelerates slowly. I think that's the favorite one. I'm so happy with how this is going. This is one of your better ones, Ben. I'm not going to let's go, baby. I'm not going to lie. I'm going to idiot.

Is this like the spelling bee? Can we get him to use them in a sentence? I know one. It's the language of origin. I don't know the other two, though. And I'm not going to give it away. I think smooth paddles fake. I think smooth pedal's fake.

Craig? If it's on smooth pedal. He's got a, I'm trying to think some fucking dude. Got a smooth pedal. My ruling is. In 1997, with his khakis on and a polo on his belt. He's got a smooth pedal.

Yeah. Channel a scout. and then just say the three things out loud. And then which everyone feels wrong is the lie. Yeah, like Carson Strong is a bundle of wires up there. Bundle of wires sounds so fake, though. I don't even know what that means. No one knows what it knows.

You didn't even know what a Taffypole was. I don't even know how you would use Taffy pole. My issue is that two of them are like, I don't even get it and one's very obvious. And so it feels like the obvious one is the fake one. But now they're playing reverse psychology. You know what, fucking I'm going with the wires one. If the wires one is real,

I'm going to feel like an. idiot. But I'm going with the one. You're changing your answer? Oh, no, you never changed your answer. Do you? No, I'm sticking with smooth pedal. I think Taffy pull is real because I think it sounds too out of left field for Ben to even think of it. I think he would think we wouldn't pick that one because it sounds too out of left field. So I'm going to say Taffy pulls real. I think bundle of wires sounds

the most accurate to me like a real term. I'm going to say smooth pedals fake. Yeah, smooth pedals fake. Okay. Got them. Yep. So smooth pedal is absolutely real. Yeah. Damn it. Like a corner. When a corner is bad pedaling. Oh my God. Right, his upper half is staying very controlled, very quiet, right? He's balanced. He's not herky jerky. He's got a smooth pedal, right? He's good in the back pedal.

That's not even idiom. That's a descriptor. Right. Is that an idiom or is that? Let's have Ethan let us know. Jargon. That's truly jargon. The one time we played two idiots,

you give us a jargon. Wow. I had a thing. I planted Ethan. Ethan was a plan. He was me all along. You're Ethan. A taffy pole is a Mayakism.

And it refers to when offensive line versus defensive line, there's like a ton of activity. Just like pushing and shove in, but nobody really goes anywhere, right? Because the taffy pole, you're like throwing it over the hook, pulling it back. Throw it over the hook,

pulling it back. It's a ton of effort, but you're just like yanking the taffy around. That's such an esoteric term. Like, why would you just call that tug-of-war or something? Right. I've never understood taffey pole. I've been saving it for a while.

I don't think it's a good idiom for what he's trying to do, or a good, yeah, good idiom or whatever, for what he's trying to describe, but taffy-poll. bundle of the wires is completely made up. When I said that, I was thinking about a guy's build. Like, he's like, he's thin. He's like, wire. He's long. He's like a bundle of the wires.

And once Craig said that mental thing, I was like, oh, I've got him, baby. He's coming with his own definitions. We're good. That was a good one. You incepted him. Yeah. Always good when they come up with the explanation for themselves. Love that. That was great. All right. Do you guys want to play?

One jargon, one idiot, and one lie. Yeah, you want, let's just pull one from the email. If people say, keep sending us your two jargons and a lie to ringer, fantasy football, gmail.com. Call them two jargons and a lie in their subject, even if they're idioms. Believe it or not, we had two different people, at least. I haven't actually gone through all of them yet. I've made a folder of all the two jargons in a lie, by the way.

There's very many of them, and we appreciate that. There's two in this last week of Aussie rules football. So, since it's not the NFL, but it's still football related, from Ashley. Number one, Falcon, number two, top gun. number three, hangar. These are rules? These are, no, these are jargons or idioms from Australian rules football. Hangar feels real.

And this is all Top Gun references? Is it hanger with an A or hanger with an E? You like an air hanger with an E. And they are very much all Top Gun naval A&E. I feel like Falcon and Top Gun just two things that are in the air, one of them triggered the other to be a lie. I think falcon is the lie I do think it's top gun Do they have falcons in Australia

Asking the wrong guy They got They got kangaroos Thanks This is not helpful Yeah I got you baby People like top gun down there Do they wait

Do they have falcon Australia? Did you know that there was like Do you know Australia had like Massive megafauna Like they had like giant We've got off the rails They had mega

No they had mega fauna Like 30 40,000 years ago they had like giant what are they called not more yeah marsupials and they had the um oh no what's the one with the pouch but it's not the kangaroo the all marsupils not the koala wallaby wombat yeah they're giant wombats and like like elephant-sized animals and then the earliest seafaring people they believe came over from somewhere in southeast Asia and actually got to the australian continent and were the first people there like 30 40,000 years ago and hunted them all out of existence Oh man.

I can go. Okay, so what's your guys Is the lie? Falcon's a lie. That one's interested. It's fascinating. Falcon. Okay.

Top Gun. Falcon. Hifitz got it. Top gun is incorrect. It's a lie. Bagnabit. So here are the explanation. Here are the explanation.

So Falcon is getting hit on the head with the ball. Oh my gosh. Like a dive bombing Falcon maybe? Top Gun, his or her explanation from Ashley was Rookie of the Year candidate. And then Hanger is a spectacular mark. And I had to Google what Mark is, because that's not jargon that we know.

And that is, apparently, it's when a player catches a ball that has been kicked more than 15 meters. So like basically a deep shot from a kick. Spectacular. I like how people are getting hit on the head enough that they had to come up with a term

for people getting hit on the head. Yeah, what's going on? That's a good game. That's a good sport. If somebody's getting hit on the head so many times, like, we got to come up with a fun term for this to make it feel better. Well, we'll do another one real quick here. You guys got to speed up the decision-making process on this one.

From John, more Australian rules, football jargon slash idioms, whatever. Number one, selling the candy. Number two, Chinarnar. He had to give me the explanation of how to pronounce this. It's spelled Chinana, Chinana. But I think it's in Australian, Craig, maybe you can help me do this. Chinar-nar.

It's Chinana. What are you doing right now? Okay. In American English, it would be pronounced Chinana. Okay. But since they pronounce, they like roll the R's when they're using like ends and whatnot. So it's like Chinonar? Yeah.

Remember 30 seconds ago and Dekos like speed this up? And number three, not my smashed Avo. Like short for avocado. Wait. Are we talking about football or is this just Australian terms? Australian rules. football terms. Okay, okay, okay. Again, there's no way Chinarnar is fake. If it's the greatest thing anybody's ever done.

The first one's fake. Selling the candy. And what's the last one? Not my smashed Avo. Actually, the third one's probably fake. Not my smashed Avo. I want you to say Chinar-N-R again. I think selling the candy is fake. I think not my smashed Avo is fake. Okay. It is not my smashed Avo is fake. Hey, go birds. So selling the candy is often used to describe a takeout. The player with the ball advances forward as an opponent comes to tackle the player.

The player will start moving their body as if they're going to kick the ball. And then the last second will fake and continue running toward the opponent. This is basically what Kenny Pickett did in a college game this last year. Faked slide. Kept going. Selling the candy. Get it? Kind of.

The Chinarnarnar, which I'm sure I'm just absolutely fucking massacring. Chinor. Yeah. I'm absolutely masquering the pronunciation. I apologize for that. Also known as the Czech side banana, which is great, is a specific type of kicking action

that allows the player to kick the ball through the goals, usually from really acute angles. That would be difficult to do in a standard kicking motion. Does this mean he's like bending it like Beckham? This is like a wanted where you got to bend the bullet.

I can't believe you guys wanted to hear more of this instead of my megafauna. The megaphone are cool. There were giant Komodo dragons. There were big bears. Like, like there was huge giant animal. It was like that Will Smith movie

where it comes back to Earth and it's like the same but all the animals are bigger. It was like that. Next week, High Fits, bring us two megafauna's in a lie. Yes. Stegasorodon,

massive wallaby, two megafauna. Yeah, and we'll play two megafauna as in a lie. We're going to play two megaphones and alive. Okay. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Soak. Thank you, Craig.

Thank you to Australian rules football. That was fun. Thank you, Chinarana. I don't know. Thank you to Megapona, RIP. Thank you to Ethan for the two idioms, jargon, slang explanation. Thank you, Lauren. Lauren. Thank you.

Wildchild. Go to NFLDraft.org.com for me. Just blow right past wildlife. We're going to do a fundraiser for the extinct megafauna. It's not going to work. Sounds like some sort of scheme, laundering. That's going to be a good Jurassic Park movie in 20 years. One of the favorite, my favorite jokes I've ever seen play out in person was like I had a,

a friend who was flirting with like this very hot British guy. And she was like, what's your favorite documentary? And he was like, oh my God, that's easy. British accent. And he's like, Jurassic Park. And she didn't know what to say. What's the code when there's a hot British guy in the room? Code.

Union Jack. I don't know. Code 1776. Okay. All right. We'll check back in with a better joke next week. Craig shut it down. Goodbye, everyone.