The Ringer NFL Show - The 2024 Fantasy Rewatchables: MVP, Worst Pick, Biggest Leap, and Hottest Take

Episode Date: January 15, 2025

The guys recap the 2024 fantasy football season in the format of the popular Ringer movie podcast ‘The Rewatchables.’ They award What’s Aged the Best, Casting What-Ifs, Best That Guy, Apex Mountain, Picking Nits, Fantasy MVP, and much more (4:00). Check out our 2024 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens Producers: Kai Grady and Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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rewatch a favorite movie of theirs and talk about why it's so great. You've heard the three of us on that show. We did Dodgeball, a true underdog story this summer, and then we also did Pineapple Express a couple years ago. That was great. It's been five years now I've been producing the rewatchables. Isn't that crazy? That's wild.

So every year I tweet out my favorite movies that I hadn't seen before that year, because I got to watch 52 movies of the year. I usually have seen maybe like 15 of them of the 52, I would say. And so of the movies that I had never seen before, my favorite, this year, my favorites were risky business, poltergeist, body double from 1990 or from 1884. 1884. It's a Taylor Sheridan show. It has Abe Lincoln on it. Yeah. Twister, which I hadn't seen the original Twister.

Fast Times at Ridgemont High. Oh, Twister. I know. And then The War of the Roses. Highfits. Of those movies, how many have you seen? Two. Which ones?

Fast times and risky business. Risky business was so good. It blew my socks off how good that movie was. Wait, remind me that that's the Tom Cruise, right? Yeah. Is that the one where he does the dance? The famous dance? Speaking of blowing your socks off.

And it sucks because that, that scene ruined the perception of the movie because the movie is actually really good and interesting and top provoking and fun and stuff and everybody's just like, oh yeah, Tom Cruise in his underwear running around. Anyway, I didn't tweet about the worst movies, but I was thinking about that, the worst movies of the year.

I think it's Hereditary, which I had the worst time of my whole life watching. You were doing that while we were there. We were in L.A. and you were like, I have to watch Hereditary in the morning. I'm like, what a horrible sentence watching The Redatory at 9 in the morning. It was 7 in the morning. I admit the movie is good

and well done, but I had a horrible time watching it. I think the two worst movies, though, for me, that I just think are not good, is Purple Rain, the Prince movie, and then searching for Bobby Fisher, the chess movie. Oh, you didn't like that, huh? No, no. The Prince stuff, it's like when Prince is performing, it's good, but, like, that's just because it's Prince performing. The rest of the movie's terrible.

This makes me think I need to watch way more movies because I only watch two of those movies, too, that you like, Craig. Dude, Poltergeist. Poltergeist is really fun. I don't think I've seen risky business all the way through. Twister, all-timer. Pretty good movie. And then I have seen Fast Times

at Ridgemont High, but it was like fucking ages ago, so I don't really remember it, to be honest. Yeah. All classics. A lot of 80s and 90s gems in there, so catch up on that. But today we're doing the 2024 fantasy rewatchables.

We're going to run through the best and worst moments of the real NFL season and the fantasy NFL season using all of our favorite categories that Bill has so graciously allowed us to steal, plus a few that we created on our own. So with that said, Ringer. Ring her fantasy.

Gets an edge. Makes a man miss. Takes a shy rewatchables. The hero. The hero. All right. I'm here with my two best friends in the world. Tammy Hyder to Danny Kelly.

I want to get right into it. We have a million categories to get to. Like I said, we're going to go through this rewatchable style, get into everything. So we're going to start with most rewatchable play of the season. A lot of options. I kind of wanted to run through kind of like from 10 to 1. I'm going to end with what I think

is probably the number one of the season, the thing that will linger in my mind. I still think of the last five years it's D.K. Metcalf Chasington, Buda Baker. I don't even remember what game that was if it was important, but that clip lingers in my mind forever. But I would say in reverse order

and after I'm done, you can come in and tell me what I missed or if my order's wrong. So I think Garrett Wilson's one-handed catch versus the Texans on Monday night on Thursday night football was pretty nuts.

Oh yeah, that was good. I would say like kind of Jayden Daniel's couple, but he had the third, the Hail Mary, obviously, he had that third and seven to Terry McLaren in the fourth quarter

that was like the first time I was like, holy shit, this guy's like a guy. Jonathan Taylor fumbling at the one. Oh, God. Yeah. I think the Lions fake fumble play.

Oh, yeah. The Ben Johnson and Jared Gough fake fumble was sick. one. Kind of just the Will Levis surrender Cobra, all the

ones that art but make it sports. Art but make it sports I think is up there. And then as we get closer, my top four is

the Josh Allen run up two with two minutes left to seal the win against the Chiefs. And Nance had that call. Nancy was like, the play of the year.

That's four for me. Number three for me is the Hail Mary to Noah Brown and the Tyreeks Stevenson fuck up. Yeah. Number two is

the Amari Cooper lateral in the snow? to Josh Allen. Oh, yeah. Can I shout out a couple before you do number one? Sure. We have to all have the same number one. Let me just shout out a couple.

Shout out a couple, yeah. The other ones, Lamar Jackson, dropping a snap, picking the ball up in the backfield, running right, stiff-arming Trey Hendrickson, who leads the league in sacks

and Wally stiff-arming him for a touchdown. And then, similarly, Baker Mayfield on like fourth and 14, holding Nick Bosa by the face with his left hand and throwing a touchdown

with his right hand. like those two were crazy. You know, we don't have a most rewatchable player, but like Baker's out there. Baker's pretty good. Yeah, yeah. And then Ken Walker's double flip, which I'd never seen in a football field

where he got scolexed on one and football. And then he like, like he did a thing I'd never seen and then he like reversed it. It looked honestly like a like a John Wick move where he, it was two wrestling moves back to back. It looked like a fish flopping on the sand.

Yes. That was wild. And also the Cavante Turpin where he dropped the, a lot of drops, he dropped the kickoff return and then picked it up and then ran right up the show. The Sean Jackson remake? Yeah, yes.

That was sick. DK, are there any that we're missing that you have? No, those are all the ones I had. I had Jane Daniels Hail Mary for the win is going to be etched into my brain forever, mainly because of the Tyrake Stevenson. Yeah. Shenigans.

That was just classic. I just can never imagine, like, forgetting that. And then I think the other one that I had like circled is the one that we're all thinking of right now. Also, wait. The Colts trick play parlay where they were completing 40% of their passes and tries three passes on one play.

Yeah, that's in the least rewatchable play. Yeah. The winner is obviously that really good Najee Harris run on third and six. That was sick. He looked great. No, it's the Sequin revertle. Is that what we're calling it?

I wanted to catch on. I think revertle is a great word for what Sequent. The backwards hurdle play. I've literally never seen a running back do that in any game on any level. Backwards hurdle a player while like moving forwards. It was just insane. Also like all the

accoutremaal that came with that, like they did later they would do like videos of like the sideline reacting to it, which is always so much fun. Even like his own teammates. They added to play to Madden the next day. Yeah. Is that right? Yes. Oh, damn. Did they really? That's sick. Oh, they did like code through the night to like figure.

Do you know how good a place to be for Madden to innovate? Imagine like what engineer woke up. like three in the morning. They're like, hey, you need to add a backwards hurdle. Yeah, this is, God damn it. So do you have to, is that like a, is that a part of like the juke package on Madden? Or is that like a thing where you have to kind of turn one way and hit hurdle and like, how do you do that Madden? I, I, I think I'm playing the Eagles on Madden. I don't know. That's true. I never figured it out. If it's just like crying as he's playing. He does a dynasty mode

trade him back to the Giants. God damn it. Yeah. Not only is the Sequin reverse hurdle. It's obviously the most rewatchable play of the year. I think we need to go a step further. I think it is one of the most rewatchable plays of my entire life, especially now and what now counts as a rewatchable play of like, in social media,

like obviously rewatchable plays different than a rewatchable movie. I think you have to separate regular season from playoffs. I feel like the most rewatchable play ever is the O'Dell Catch. I don't know how many plays since the O'Dell Catch

have been more rewatchable than the Sequin Revere. Like it's an iconic play. It is. What's cool is I think that a lot of the best moments of the season are usually about like a game-winning play. Right. And not that those get forgotten, but usually the actual like mechanics of the play is not that memorable. It's just the moment itself.

It's like, oh my God, Tom Brady, whatever, converts a pass to whoever on a crucial third down. That was amazing. But Sequin, I mean, it's not like that play was that consequential. It's just that like four seconds. Everybody in the world saw on the internet a hundred times. never forget because they've never seen it before. Yeah. Every time I watch it, I just think about Mac from It's Always Sunny watching it and just immediately

just doing karate. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it's actually incredible. How many kids in the backyard are like reverting? Oh, 100%. Trying to revertle like a garbage can in the backyard.

Yeah, the amount of older brothers in the Philly area that started trying to jump over their little brothers backward. Like, I imagine, so that's the most rewatchable play. I have a feeling his Sequin's name is going to come up a lot. Yeah. Next up, what's age the best? Let's start with Danny Kelly. What do you have here for what's age the best?

All right. So ironically, and this might be a sign from heaven that I need to reassess how I do my job, but my take purges ended up aging very well. Okay, but hear me out. I thought the whole point of the take purge is that we're not allowed to go back and reevaluate. Well, the reason I'm reevaluating is because I was right, correct? Okay. All right.

No, but more truthfully, though, like it makes me just want to look. need in harder to like sort of like the gut things that we're talking about like this is what we talk about every year it's like we don't we don't want to fall victim to hurting in terms of like oh I'm way different from what all the other fantasy analysts are saying no we're into reverse hurtling I thought yeah yeah there we go um but like I had bow nix being a QB1 that that pandout he finished as a QB10 uh I mentioned that Kirk cousins were going to suck he got benched I thought Chris Godwin would outscore Mike Evans which he did before he got hurt um the other thing that I think is both

aged well and did not age well, was not worrying about injuries. Because I'm sort of like the nihilist guy who's like, don't try and predict injuries. You can never fucking do it. It's impossible to do. So just assume everyone's not going to get hurt. And

Joe Burrow went nuclear. Devon A. Chan stayed healthy pretty much all year. And being high on him ended up being really good. He was the RB 11. His quarterback didn't, you know. But yeah. Well, that's, that was not part of the equation necessarily. So I would say those are some of the things that I kind of picked out as like things that aged well. Obviously the CMC thing, I don't think aged well.

But I think the take purge overall, though, to your point, is a good example of something that, like, it is something worth leading into next year. Because like, I think we all actually, the most extreme take. It kind of accurate. Did a lot well. Yeah. I was going through it myself. And I wrote down Marvin Harrison, Jr. will be the fourth best rookie receiver. and he was.

Damn. And I'm like, oh my God. Like, I don't know. Yeah. It's always the stuff at the back here

I think essentially what I'm saying is just like we should embrace our deep, dark feelings. Yeah, I said the Niners would finish third in the NFC West and missed the playoffs.

Yeah. Craig, what else did you have for what age the best? Well, I have not trusting the 49ers injury reporting. Yeah.

That aged really well for those of us who avoided Christian McCaffrey. Another one I had was, this was a big offseason narrative, not worrying about about Kyron Williams or anybody on the ram

returning punts. He returned two punts this year, which was less than the year before when no one knew or cared because he wasn't famous yet. And he had an incredibly quiet, awesome year. He was top seven in the league. Kairn Williams had 16 touchdowns this year.

So I don't give a shit when Sean McVeigh says that someone's going to return punts. Actually, every time they do, they either win the triple crown or they have 16 touchdown. When one of his skill players is returning punts, that's like we got a fucking smash that. That means he thinks they're really good.

Yeah. It means he trusts them. Yeah. You're not kind of fuck up back there. What do you have? I have a pretty good amount. I want to start what age is the best, the 2024 NFL draft. Aged really well.

You're the most offensive players ever to start a draft. And those guys include, we might have gone. There's an outside shot depending on Caleb improving and J.J. McCarthy for the Vikings. There's an outside shot that's six, all six quarterbacks are good, which is basically never happened from a single draft. You have Malik Neighbors and Brian Thomas. Like, Malik Neighbors already has the single season catch record for the Giants,

not for rookies, just period. Ladd-McConkie broke the single-season record for receiving yards for the charges. Brian Thomas joined some list of 1100 yards and touchdowns, whatever, with like Jamar Chase and Randy Moss. Yeah, he had, Brian Thomas. Yeah.

And so, and then Brock Bowers broke Pooka Nuku's record for receptions by rookie, and he's a fucking tight end. And then on top, Joe Walt was a great. Charger, like, tackle this year, Joe Alt looks like a future all pro. And then on top of it,

in this offensive draft, the defenders are awesome too. Jared Verst looks like incredible. Like all, this really does look like we already can point to like, maybe like eight or nine future all pros at the end of the rookie. Like that. Chop Robinson looks great.

A lot of the corners look good. Yeah. Quinion Mitchell, crazy, crazy. I've never looked at a draft at the end of a year and been like, oh my God, like that looks like incredible. Yeah.

So that one each well. I also, I have a bunch of other ones here, but I have to mention, you know what else aged really well? Jackson Smith and Jigba being asked about Shane Waldron or dating the bear's offense and saying, are we live?

Perhaps the worst answer you could possibly give when asked a question. That aged really well when Shane Waldron got fired half the time. That's a good one. I'll throw out one. Me liking James Cook turned out to be a pretty good one.

I think the James Cook thing was always an interesting proposition because Josh Allen has stolen so many of his touchdowns over the years and this is like actually exactly what happened with Sequin Parkley this year. It's just like sometimes the quarterbacks just don't steal all the touchdowns. James Cook led the NFL and touchdowns.

All players. All skill players. 17 touchdowns this year. Finished as the RB9. 981 yards rushing 32 catches, almost 300 yards receiving. So I was a little worried about this one, liking James Cook, but I just kept thinking like this is the same. It's like a really good offense.

with a really good quarterback that you're going to score a lot of points. Every time I watch him, he's like ripping off an explosive play. Last year he's one of the top players and yards per carry. And I just like, I think I decided not to overthink it essentially.

And I think that worked out. What I liked about what you did, DK, is you were on him last year, and I remember I was off, and it didn't work last year. He had like barely any touchdowns. I think he only had five touchdowns in the last two years combined or something crazy.

That was always the thing that, like, slowed him down. Yes. And you stuck to your guns and doubled down, and it paid off. And I did not draft James Cook this year. So that did as well. Sometimes you're just lucky, obviously, that I didn't expect him to lead the NFL in touchdowns.

But also, you have to remember, touchdowns are really random in a lot of ways. You know, it's one of the least common plays in NFL football, right? Like, it's not something that happens a lot. You get like three or four a game, five a game. And so sometimes they go to some random guy. Sometimes they go to just only receivers.

some teams, Craig, this is like what you kept saying. It's like, oh, look, the Lions had another fucking rushing touchdown. It's like all the touchdowns go to the Lions running backs. But it's just a random thing is what I'm saying. So you can't always just be like, oh, this guy didn't score any touchdowns last year. So therefore he won't do it this year. Hi, it's what else you got? The Panthers taking Bryce Young.

Talk about something that aged really poorly and then like just came back around by the end. Because Andy Dalton got in a car accident. Yeah, Andy Dalton's car accident aged really well. That's, yeah, that's a good call. maybe it was price show you yeah no that's a great one i can't believe how much better he looks it is like truly one of the biggest night and day reversals there reminds me a lot of jared goff you guys remember jared goff's rookie year it was truly one of the worst rookie seasons of any quarterback especially like highly drafted quarterbacks we've ever seen like if you look at the statistical breakdowns of it

this was when he was under jeff fisher and then sean mcgway came in props to sean totally turned around golf's career um and turned him to one of the like better pocket passing quarterbacks in the NFL. I think like Bryce Young, the way he looked, he was so much more confident. He was so much more dialed in on time. Making like those outer structure plays that it was like a big part of the reason we were so excited about him coming into the draft. He just did everything. It was so, it's so weird how a guy can just like flip a switch and all of a sudden he's like, oh, wait, I'm back to who I was supposed to be and who I was like in college. So yeah, obviously that was super exciting for Panthers phase, I'm sure. It's definitely just like a lesson to dot overreact

to things. I mean, I had it as a what age of the worst, which was declaring Bryce Young a buff and CJ's trying to star. Yeah. Like, it's essentially just, you know, you should probably just fade whatever the narrative was

after year one and you'll probably like make money. Yeah. So yeah, I totally agree. What else? Do we have more?

I, yeah, you know what else aged really well? Arthur Smith playing Jonu Smith over Kyle Pitts. Oh, good one. Yeah. Johnu Smith,

top five, top five season is a tight end in fantasy. Love that. Maybe Arthur Smith is the key. I don't know. Well, you know,

sometimes coaches know a little bit more than us fantasy podcasters. I'll admit that, you know. Wow. Sometimes. Whoa, DJ. I think here's the key, High Fitz. You can't assume it, but sometimes it does happen, you know.

Can't always assume. I think you should assume it, but sometimes it doesn't happen. I think I would go with the latter. This was a big deal. When I was running field goals, the Seahawks blog, there was a big deal. One of the rules at the blog that we moderated was no appeals to authority, which is essentially saying, well, if the coach think this is right, therefore, it's right because coaches get stuff wrong all the fucking time.

You can't just make the assumption every time that they know what they're doing. Coaches do stupid shit all the time. Can I tweak that? Well, of course. It's actually the opposite is what you're saying. No, no. I'm saying I think that there is a reverse. There's a Ted Lassow element where sometimes it's worth being like, like, and I'm bad at this too,

but I think sometimes it's worth being curious and not judgmental because I think sometimes in something I want to do more this year and going forward is when a coaches do something, you're not considering what do, what information do they have that we don't that is making, they make this decision.

For example, Kyle Pitts sucks. Like, you know what I mean? Like, for example, we're like, oh,

just play Kyle Pitts. And it's like, well, it's weird that two different coaching staffs decided he should play two thirds of the snaps. Maybe he's the problem.

And the, that the quarterbacks on the field are also just not throwing to him when he's on the field. Yeah, like last week when we're like, why is Sean McVeigh

benching Matt Stafford? Maybe because Matt Stafford's fucking like, I don't know, maybe if you took his shirt off, you'd see all the car crash bruises. Yeah, he can barely walk. Maybe that's why. You know what I mean?

So anyway. No, there's a gray area we can live in. That's fine. All right, let's go to what's age the worst. I'll give a couple first here. We kind of mentioned this before, but the idea of can't miss generational talents

in this draft. Seriously. Caleb Williams, Marvin Harrison, Jr. Can't miss. I would, if I, on the binary scale, they are misses right now.

And I know we just said, like you can't judge everything, by year one, Bryce Young, C.J. Schro, whatever. But it's just always good to have that grain of salt and kind of reset my brain every draft season. Anytime there is a guy. Kyle Pitts is a good example. Can't miss picks are like 50-50, you know?

They're not 50-50, but if you include injuries, no, really, if you include injuries and you go through every sport and you just, if you include injuries, can't miss guys miss like a third of the time. Like, if you look, like Bryce Harper makes it in baseball, Steven Strasberg, if you include the injuries is a miss. Andrew Luck's a hit.

But if you include the injuries, like, is it? Like, you know what I mean? Like five years. Seems like maybe we should stop saying can't miss. They miss a lot. Kind of pigeonholing us a little bit. DeVian Clowny was a miss. Like the biggest, like if you judge them by how much of a can't miss the prospect

they were, like, I don't know. It's actually insane. It is a, it's, it does. Craig, you mentioned it's like you're going to reset your thinking every draft. It's like I always have these visceral reactions to like, hearing someone's hot take about some player player x and it's like oh they're the best whatever in this class and my first visceral reaction is always like with the group like oh that's ridiculous but it's like no nobody knows anything like why is why am i reacting this way it's like what hyphen said

i should just be more curious than judgmental why do why do i have these visceral reactions it's like and i'm trying to actually get better about this i i think i'm going to try to have much more open mind going forward about things. But like I'll hear, you know, like grand takes from someone about like the order of whatever these guys would be drafted in. And it's like, I should just like, okay, what's what can I learn from this? Like should I go look at this guy a little bit more or whatever instead of being like, oh, that's ridiculous. Like I don't know why I have that reaction. Strong opinions loosely held is my philosophy in life. And to be honest, it goes the other way, too. It's not just that the can't miss generational talents are always going to hit. You have to know that.

But it's also the other way where guys that everybody thinks are going to suck sometimes are pretty good. I don't know. Every two years, there's a quarterback, a Bo Nix, Justin Herbert, Josh Allen, that nobody thinks it's going to be good, Lamar Jackson. And they end up being great. So I'm personally not super excited about Cam Ward should doer Sanders. Maybe I should Costanza that and do the opposite because it truly is a situation where nobody knows. I tried to do that, Craig, a little bit with the Kenny Pickett, Malik Willis. I forget, there was a couple other random dudes

in that time. Desmond Ritter. Desmond Ritter, the guy from oldness. Matt Corral. Yeah, Matt Corral. I tried to do that with that class and that didn't live. That didn't work out low. There still is a level of talent you need to reach before you can start considering it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We have to shout out Danny Hivitz's Joe Burrow skepticism.

We have to. The water bottle gate thing? Did that age... No, no, no, I will... The only point I push back on is the water bottle gate thing. I will take the blame. for water bottle game. Watergate was the stupidest shit in the world. You know what's funny, though.

Don't put that on me, Ricky Bobby. Yeah, that's not Hyphitz. That was me. I swear on my life. I'm not blaming Hyphitz. Well, you know, I'm blaming people on the internet that pissed me off because they said he was cooked based on a fucking water bottle. You know what's funny is I was talking to my two, I can never say it. Brothers-in-law? Yeah. Brother-in-law. Brothers-in-law. Brothers in law.

You need a better word for that. And we were talking about the Burrow-Rist thing. And one of them was like, oh, yeah, he couldn't lift up a water. ball, right? Yeah, I know. No, but this is like a game of telephone. It's like how misinformation spreads online. I know. Exactly. Right? You could pick it up. The annoying. He took Ivermectin or something and it fixed his wrist, right?

Oh, God. Go ahead. I've been sorry. No, nothing. Yeah. I don't think it didn't age well that I was like, don't draft the Bengals. And then Joe Burr led the league in yards and touchdowns and Jemar Chase won the Triple Crown. That was bad. Okay. My turn for Mayacopa. Picking Josh Palmer over Ladd McConkey. God. Could have been an all-time pick if you just would have meant McCocky

because we talked about it many times. We're like one of McConkey or Palmer is going to go off. Probably should have chose like the really good rookie, but... Yep, I took the guy who I thought was solid who had been there and didn't want to put the risk on a rookie

and that was huge miss because Ladd McConkey was awesome and had 200 yards in a playoff game. Yeah. I think though, I will say people are pissed about the Palmer thing, which I get, but like, honestly,

it doesn't matter because he was such a late pick anyway, but the fact that we were pretty high on or relatively high on like the Chargers passing game being productive and providing fantasy value. I think that did age. Yeah, not overreacting to the like nobody on the Chargers is going to be fantasy relevant pat catching the ball. Here's something that age really poorly for me. I was really excited about C.J. Stroud and I thought Joe Mixon was going to suck. That that did not age well. Joe Mixon basically like if you looked at any of the stats that he was like late in his career

with the Bengals was like one of the worst running backs in the NFL. And he came over to the Texans and was freaking awesome. He was like really good. He finished as the RB5 and points per game. He not only got a ton of volume, but he also just looked awesome. He was like creating explosive plays. Their run game in general is like pretty terrible by the end of the year. But from a fantasy point of view, Mixin was one of the better picks he could have made this year.

So that's like I was I was really wrong on that one. Fating all of the veteran running backs who changed teams. That's a good call. We should probably, honestly, the name of this category should be the, This year, Derek Henry is going to fall off what's age the worst award. Oh, yeah, I have one on that note, too. You know what else age the worst? The Giants making a reality TV show where they told Sequin Barclay to kick rocks.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That didn't go great. If someone calls you, then like, why don't you call us? The John Mara, I won't be able to sleep at night if he's on the Eagles Award. That aged well. That aged well, I would argue. That would actually. That's just freshened.

Oh, my God. subtle foreshadowing. So funny. Another one I have here is tossing Anthony Richardson in with Jalen Hertz, Josh Allen, and Lamar Jackson. It was kind of like a fantasy superstar. A little bit cart before a horse there. Yeah.

That didn't age well. I remember we were in person in L.A. And I think I really was the one. I think me and Hifitz were convincing D.K. That Anthony Richardson needed to be considered right with Jalen Hertz and Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. We were doing a Yahoo fantasy football draft with the two of us

and the ringer NFL guys and then Bill and Rassillo were there and Rissillo could not log into the Yahoo draft and like he joined the wrong draft actually I don't know what draft he was in he was in a different draft

so 11 other dudes were stoked so he's like logged out of the lane he can't log into his account it was a very boomer thing from Rissillo and he's sitting there and like Richardson comes up and he's like I don't understand what people see with Anthony Richardson.

Like he hasn't played 17, 16 games in the NFL. He's played 16 games since leaving high school. What are we talking about? And I will be honest, I didn't take him seriously because he couldn't log into the fucking Yahoo account. And if he had been able to log into the Yahoo account, I think he would have changed my mind. Well, I think it's a perfect example.

You know, look, obviously, I think Richardson did flash some as a rookie, much more than he did this year. People who didn't play fantasy, like Bill's, I mean, they play fantasy, but people who are more general NFL people like Rosillo, like Sal and Bill, nobody liked Anthony Richardson. No, because the logic was like Justin Fields got replaced by the Bears,

but he was top five as a fantasy guy the whole time. Yeah, this is exactly what I was going to say. I think Richardson was a perfect example of fantasy brain. And when you're in our world of like thinking about fantasy constantly, 100%. The rushing is so important. But you have to have a certain level, a bar of ability to pass the football, or else you're just not going to last.

you're not going to be the starter for very long. He got benched this year. Like this was like a top whatever pick. There was a lot of reasons for that. But part of it was that he was completing like 40% of his passes. You know what I mean? He couldn't fucking complete a pass. Hi Fitz.

What else do you have for what's age the worst? Carolina giving up on Baker, Mayfield and Sam Darnold. And then Baker and Donald combining for as many wins this season as Carolina does in the last five seasons combined. Did you see there's a photo online? I don't know where these guys are. But there's a photo of four dudes walking somewhere. And they all have a different Baker Mayfield jersey from different teams.

It's like a Panthers, Rams, bucks, browns. It's unbelievable. The other one I have, what age is the worst. I have Caleb Williams texting the Bears rookie punter on draft night. You won't have to punt a lot while you're here. That's very good. He actually put third most punts? Second.

Second most punts in the NFL? Awesome. Giving old quarterbacks with ruptured Achilles, tendons, $90 million guaranteed and or unfettered control of your franchise aged really poorly. Yeah. But then what's age the best is then doing that and then drafting

a quarterback in the top 10. That's his backup. That age well. Just in case. Yeah. Are we talking about what age is the worst? My initial reaction to the Pennix pick, I guess. Well, yeah. I still stand by the logic. I stand by the logic of like from a process

point of view. It was fucking weird. But like I don't know. I I think we nailed it. I don't think any of us had a huge problem to pick. We were like, why did you do both these things together? Right. I still stand by. Sure.

I mean, yeah, that was all pretty bad. I have CJ Strouds, sunning Caleb Williams at midfield after a mediocre 19 to 13 win and then going on to have a horrific season. That's great. That's a good call. Division around in the playoffs, baby. Sure. I know. Yeah, he'll win the Super Bowl probably.

So maybe it was all worth it. the owner of the Jaguar Shad Khan saying this is the most talented roster we've ever had did not age super well Eddie Johnson said it too for the Jets Oh God you just don't ever say anything like in the offseason Just let the season happen and then talk shit after

You know yeah I should never say anything really Is the podcasters don't say anything Don't tweet Don't have a podcast now Nobody well yeah everyone's afraid Well on that note what else aged really poorly was the Jets taking a photo of

Rick Johnson holding a phone in the Jets' draft room that also aged really poorly. Oh, God. Many things on the Jets aged poorly. Hmm. We got any others? Will Levis taking a bunch

of advertising money for like Oh, that age great. That was his only shot. He cashed out. I don't know. That was his only chance. You're from the generation that doesn't like selling out.

I was seeing mayonnaise commercials with Will Levis like this weekend. See, to your that is to me I think I figured out the biggest gap in our 12 year age gap is that you don't like that and to us the American dream is he got paid in the smallest

possible window he scraped the bottom of the barrel of the mayonnaise jar like there's no chance he ever has again to get it aged poorly that he's like in all these commercials yeah that is that is true that is objectively correct I'm not saying he should not take money I guess I'm just saying it just looks bad when he does his decision

to kind of sell out and like lean into the mayonnaise thing. For him, has aged wonderfully because he got paid and he probably will never have a commercial again.

But in terms of, for the viewer, it's aged poorly. Yeah. Anything else? Okay. Next up, this is a self-created category.

The Dead Dove Do Not Eat Award for the most glaringly obvious thing you still fell for. Don't know what I expected. I have, um, the Saints being the next powerhouse offense in the NFL.

after two weeks. Just give me a Kubiak, brother. I don't care which one it is. We did a whole thing, is this real. Derek Carr had the highest quarterback rating in the league. They were averaging 45 points a game. They had the most points in a three-game stretch ever, dating back to the one game from the year before.

They were the eight teams since the merger to score 40 points or more in the first two games of the season. And everybody bought it. And it's so funny. Actually, it's my favorite thing when something completely out of the blue happens. It's so clearly an aberration, but nobody wants to be the one guy to kind of hop off

the train in case it keeps going. I remember, to be honest, making the parallel to the NBA this season, the Warriors started out like 10 and 2 and everybody was like, they replaced Clay Thompson with buddy healed, and it's working. This is actually better. I think this team could contend for a

title, and now they suck. And it was kind of like a little bit of how we felt about the Saints. So the Colcubiacassons crashed and burned immediately, and we all should have seen that coming. High Fitz, I remember distinctly Hyfitt's asking me,

is this real? Danny, is this real? And I was like, yeah, I kind of think it is. Yeah, they beat the Cowboys.

Like, fuck it. This is awesome. Fuck it. Hey. Oh, man. The Saints had more points in Dallas than, the Saints had more points in Dallas than Dallas did

until like half a season. Couchdowns. Do you guys have a better one? What do you have? Mine was like, we've already kind of covered it, but I was like, the guy who can barely complete a pass

would be someone to bet on. Like, this is Anthony Richardson I'm talking about. He was drafted as a QB5 this year, 52nd overall. So like 4th, 5th round. And he finished as the QB 20 in points per game. Gino Smith, Derek Carr, Russell, Wilson, Caleb Williams, all outscored him in points per game. Do you remember that play? It was week one.

I think it was like his third pass of the season where he kind of stumbled and then launched a 60-yard dark to Alec Pierce. If you traded him in that moment, you could have gotten probably any player in the league. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 100%. Dude, his completion rate,

Anthony Richardson's completion rate, went down 10 points this year, more than 10 points. Oh my God. 59% to 47%. The reverse Josh Allen. It was wild. His rushing yards,

or especially rushing fantasy points for same essentially stayed the same. Points per game stayed the same. He went from 8.9 as a rookie to 7.8. So it was like a little bit down, but his passing was just impossibly bad. So tough. Hi, Fitz.

wondering if the Chiefs were good every week as they won 15 games and took the one seat. Yeah, that's good. That's a tradition unlike any other. Yeah. I had the expecting old guys coming off Achilles injuries would be good thing. Why did we expect that to work? What about this one doesn't really apply

because this fantasy season is over, but with Sam Darnold now that we've watched the Wildcutt round, it's kind of like the like Dead Darnold do not eat right you know what I mean it's like yeah well

okay moving on here this is the Chris Ryan thinks I kept this category the same because I just I love this category title so much the Chris Ryan thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford

hottest take award I actually have one right off the dome there from you mentioned Sam Darnold yeah Sam Donald is the Mike Tomlin of quarterbacks wow

can only do in the regular season can't close Yes. Falls apart in the postseason. Beloved locker room guy. Motivator. Great catchphrases. I don't know if any of that's true about Sam Donald. I don't know if I'd believe that, but I kind of wanted to just... I mean, Mike Tomlin won a Super Bowl, but...

You know, that stinks. I'm not going to lie. That's a good hot take. Here's mine. I think it was okay for Anthony Richardson to pull himself out of the game because he was tired. part of me is like look the issue was him saying it in the press conference after the game you ever been really really tired it's hard to do anything

he probably would have been terrible on that play if he had to throw it you know what was it as a handoff this should happen more sometimes you see wide receivers who caught back to back big passes and they're gas and they tap their helmet and they jog out because they're tired

right but that's not the quarterback he was really tired maybe like three straight runs I'm just saying like that's fine. I understand why you're defending it. But like, quarterbacks do not do that full stop. Quarterbacks don't do it. The quarterbacks don't have the body and, you know, running ability he does.

He's carrying 400-pound men every single play. He was tired. He should have said he had to take a shit or something. I don't know. I understand it. I get it. He was tired. Sometimes it's really hard.

Imagine sprinting a six-minute mile. And then someone's like, hey, go run a route. Like, no, I'm tired. I can't get behind this. That's a hot take, TK. I do. I like it, though. I appreciate that.

I appreciate that it's, it is like a well-crafted hot take. I don't know how they don't get tired more often. I know. Football seems super tiring. This is actually my genuine take is that it's wild that the amount of standing around that happens on the sideline of football games and in between plays, like it's wild that these guys don't really,

it doesn't seem like they get warm. at any point. Obviously, like, during a long drive, like a defense will get worn down. But like quarterbacks just go sit on the bench for like 10 minutes after each drive. And like you're sitting there in the commercials. They just literally sitting there. That's what the big jackets are for.

Yeah, but like you get so cold. That's what the jackets are for. The madman. You never say thank you. I feel like also, I've always felt this way. I feel like it's very obvious to tell what the next play call is going to be. Like if Alvin Camara busts off a 58-yard run,

where he sheds like nine tacklers and he's huffing and puffing and walking back into the huddle and he stays in the game, they're not running the ball to him. They never do. But that's from before his legs weighed the same,

now his legs weighed the same, you know? He doesn't get tired now, yeah. His heart rate never goes too low. But I've always, I'm like, every time I see a receiver who just caught like a 70-yard ball

got chased down and then he goes back and he's like panting. They never throw to him. He barely runs a route the next play. Maybe I'm just thinking of George Pickens. I don't know. Perhaps.

here's my take Josh Dobbs would have been a top 15 quarterback this year if he had been a starter I think the Steelers would have been better off in fantasy

The Steelers would have been better off with Josh Dobbs than Wilson and Fields That is the worst thing I've ever heard The Jets would have won nine games with Josh Dobbs What? What did Josh Dobbs save your family?

What happened? I have no reason for thinking of this other than that like weird several game stretch he had last year. Josh Dobbs, the problem was when he learned the playbook, he was awful. He was way better when he didn't know any of the plays. Great improviser, bad actor, you know, can't remember lines. Yeah, improv.

I just think Josh Dobbs, there's something there. Here's my other take, and I actually feel this very truly. There's too much hard knocks. They should stop doing hard knocks. So wait, do you dislike that their, the original hard knocks that happens every August? Are you still okay with that? And you don't like the expansion to franchising of it? I think Hard Knocks would be much better if it was a like standalone event type of thing.

I feel like Hard Knocks is always on now. And there's like versions of Hard Knocks on every fucking streaming platform. There's a preseason. There's an in season and now there's an off season. And Amazon has their own version of it. Well, Hard Knocks. I can't keep up with all this. I actually, I feel like, not to be like actually it's the opposite.

The ones they came up with like the original idea is let's get training camp and put it out like every week for four weeks. The other ones are better. The in season and the off season one, they should get rid of the August one. Kind of sucks. Honestly, it's weird.

Like the... I just think they need to make it look like a monoculture thing again where it's like, oh, we're watching hard knocks on X day of the week or whatever. And we're excited about it. So you think there's too much content and people can't keep up and it's actually ruining culture? Maybe this isn't a hot take it all.

No, I like it. I think Hivex is right though. I think the summer one is the worst one. The summer one, it's like, oh, let's watch more TV about football in August.

and I'm like, I don't know. It's like, great, the same undrafted free agent who you think is going to make the team and then he doesn't. Yeah, the offseason one in June and July makes more sense. Hyvitz, did you give yours? I know you had the Darnel thing. That was my main one. I mean, I don't even think this is a hot take.

Dallas should have traded Dak Prescott to the Raiders in the off season. That was a huge mistake that they did not do that. They signed him to his contract. I was hoping they were going to trade him to Pittsburgh. They should have. Like, everyone would be better off. everybody would be better off if Dak Prescott went to Steelers or the Raiders or even

the Dolphins like I think everyone would be better off in that situation and the cow like they should have done it I thought one of your hot takes was going to be that Jerry Jones should retire and become an actor oh no one of my hot takes I was going to do this later I don't need to retire to do that no

I don't think they should Jerry's right they should not put the curtains up I'll come the fuck on they should don't put the curtains up they should be able to figure out you're the only like they play in the stadium they play in the stadium. Do figure out how to run the plays around the sun. It's like Lord of the Rings, the two buildings.

Like, the whole thing is they figure out how to use the sun to their advantage. Jerry Jones is right. Like, that's why Mike McCarthy's gone. Like, figure out how to use the sun. It's like giving you gold here. You're not doing anything with it. Also, yeah, imagine also if like every, all the Cowboys wore like dark visors. And imagine that as like a visual intimidation factor.

Exactly. They're wearing sunglasses. Well, you need a medical reason to have the visors. The Cowboys should fake all these Illness, fake all these reasons that they need medical, like they all get the dark visors, run the plays, get the lighting right, come on, this should be easy.

They have transition lenses visors? How cool would that be? Yeah, dude, there's a lot of opportunity here. Jerry's a visionary. He beat the NFL, like, he built the NFL, like, I'm just saying, come on. Figure it out. I feel like you're ascribing too much competence

to this team. That's fine. I like that they should use the sun to their advantage. Use the sun! They need to harness the power of the side. You use what you have in life. All right, casting what ifs? This is basically things that could have been

if injuries didn't occur or a trade didn't happen. Sliding Doors moments. Hi Fitz, what do you have? Can you imagine how many more games the Giants would have won if they had kept Sequin Barclay? Like one? More? Yep.

Nothing would have changed. Like one? I think I'd give them like an extra win. Maybe if I will defend the Giants for one in exactly one moment. for all the shit that Giants get for letting him go, nothing would have changed if they had kept him. I just want to point that out.

Except for the Hard Knocks moment would have not gone by. The Hard Knocks moment entertain everyone. Actually, everyone would have made fun of them for keeping them. That's what would have happened. I just want to point that out. Nothing would have changed. I think the obvious question could be asked. What if the Bears had taken Jayden Daniels instead of Caleb Williams?

Would Jaden Daniels have sucked? Probably the best one. This is probably the best question. Or would he have created absolute magic for Chicago? Like this is like something I'm going to think about forever. It's just like if Jaden Daniels essentially I'd landed somewhere else, what would it be like? It's just a fun thought experiment. But I think obviously he probably would have been a lot better than Caleb Williams was.

I think that question gets to the essence of why football is like a mysterious, magical thing. Yeah. It's so hard to answer that question. My what if was what if Rish Rice didn't get hurt. And then I kind of kept thinking about it. And this is the scenario I kind of built out in my head. I was so upset because I loved Rish Rish Rysk didn't. Rice this year. I was a big fan of his. I drafted him. He got hurt.

Week three, Mahomes tore his ACL by running into him. Mahomes tore his ACL. But then this was kind of, this was my thought process. This is how I kind of got over it. So Rishi Rice doesn't get hurt, which means the Chiefs don't trade for DeAndre Hopkins. Which maybe means that he goes to the Steelers,

fills in for Pickens after the injury. The Steelers then win the AFC North. They beat the Texans in round one. They get crushed in the AFC championship by the Chiefs. They re-sign Russ to $35 million a year. So I'm actually cool with it because I think if Rishu-Rice doesn't get hurt, there's a chance that the Steelers re-sign Russ.

Craig, you know the meme where it's like the futuristic thing. It's like, the world, if this had happened, like Craig's life, if Rishie Rice had not gotten hurt, it would have been just like perfect and euphoric. Can I give one more sliding doors? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I think if the Jets had not fired Robert Sala,

they actually would have made the playoffs. We're bordering on hottest tape territory. I know that I almost used it there. Basically, I know that sounds insane, but the Jets defense was so incredible when Robert Sala was playing. They fired Robert Sala. He had given up two touchdowns in the last three games. And if they had fired Sala,

I really think they would have beaten the bills that next game, I'm on any football. They would have won the game. And then they would have gotten Devante Adams. And if you just look at the schedule, I think if the Jets, they would have beaten the Patriots in week eight, they would have beaten the Colts in week 11.

They would not have blown a 21-point lead to Seattle. You know what I mean? I think they went to overtime with Miami. Like, I really think that Salah's defense is the difference in all those games. And not to mention the distraction of just like every, not only distraction when the coach gets fired, but like everyone has to move up a rung. So like everyone's actually doing less work on what they were doing originally.

I really think the Chess might have won 10 or 11 games if they had fired Saul. Maybe they should bring them back. I almost sent you this tweet, High Fitz, but I didn't want to antagonize you. You know Joe Caparoso, who does turn on the Jets. Badlands. He had a tweet, essentially, it was just like, can we please stop, like,

gaslighting people into thinking that this guy was a really good coach. Like, if you look at his, like, history throughout, like, this time as the head coach of the Jets, it's like they were constantly, like, underprepared. There was constantly making penalties. I don't have the stat or I don't have the tweet for me, but it's basically just like, let's stop pretending

like he was, like, this amazing head coach. I, yeah, I disagree. I, I just think it's like, you've, like, mythologized him into being like this amazing head coach. Like the Jets have fucking sucked the last few years. Like what are we talking about?

He got fired on a game where Rogers threw a pick six and three interceptions. Well, that's fine. I understand like that specific context. But he was the coach, he was the head coach for several years. Yeah. And they were bad like all the time.

I just don't think he had much control over the offense and what he was able to control was impeccable like the entire time. Also seeing Aaron Rogers go four and 13, most of it without Sala. you're like, man, they went 7 and 10 with Zach Wilson. Yeah, exactly. Show me someone else you can do that.

There's a leap there, though, that Hifitz is making that. I'm like, they were the number one defense and EPP per play when he was there. They were last when he left. So that's all I'm saying. Speaking of leap, next award here, the biggest leap. Who made the biggest leap this season?

2023 was probably Nico Collins. This year, I have like three or four guys on this list. I think D.K. mentioned James Cook. I think you could argue as a guy who led the literal league and touchdowns as a skill player. Jemir Gibbs, man, kind of entered, I think, the new running back Mount Rushmore, which is forming. We always say that every three-ish years, a new group comes along, a new group of four,

and things move pretty quickly. 2022, when the top five picks in the draft were Jonathan Taylor, Offsett Echler, Christian McCaffrey, Dalvin Cook, and Derek Henry. That was just 2022. Those were the five running backs being drafted. And now, this year, or next year, I should say, it's looking. looking like Bijon Robinson, Sequin, Devon A. Chan, Jemir Gibbs, and probably still Derek Henry. But I think there's a chance that James Cook maybe enters that category soon.

But I think Jemir Gibbs and James Cook, like, making that leap and entering into that new running back Mount Rushmore, probably my two top guys. The Gibbs one is a good one. I thought of him, but I was like, he was like a pretty high scoring fantasy guy last year. He was. But like, I think you're right in terms of like his stature. among fantasy players. Like he is up there now as like an elite

elite player. Plus like, you know, he, I think he just looked better all around this year. He was just more confident, more in tune with the offense,

like the way they utilized him. He's so, so explosive, so fun. A couple guys I want to, I want to throw it a couple more nominees before you guys chime in. Jackson,

Smith, and Jigba on the Seahawks quietly had an amazing year. Was the number 10 wide receiver in fantasy? He cut the ninth most passes in the NFL. this year. He cut a hundred passes. And this guy was kind of like after last year, I think there was a lot of questions about

like, was this a miss of a pick? Is he going to be kind of like just another guy? He was great. Another wide receiver. Drake London, who we all joke like, what's your favorite Drake London memory? It kind of has been working for a while. He had one in week two finally. He did. Drake London this year was the number five wide receiver in fantasy, which is remarkable. He had 100 catches, 1,300 yards, nine touchdowns. And I think there's a chance that Drake London might be the best receiver no one's talking about. He's like, might be the next Keenan Allen, where he's just going to be 100 catches,

1,300 yards, 9 touchdowns every year, and nobody will discuss him as a top 5 guy. That's a great one. And then honestly, Price Young for biggest leap. That's hell. True. D.K., what do you have?

I had JSN as my top one. He had 100 catches, like you said. Like last year, and I know that in Seahawksland, people were talking about like, oh, maybe this was a bust. He, all he caught, Like there was like a large portion of the season where literally they would bring him in for a play, throw him a screen pass behind the line of scrimmage, he'd get tackled for a two-yard gain, and then he'd go back to the sideline. Like it was like literally for like three quarters of the season, that was all he did. This was like the context, by the way, of why he was like so anti-Shane Waldron at the time.

We were just like, well, obviously, if you look at how they utilized JSN last year, like I would be pissed too if I were to him. But he came in and he was like making huge plays. He was making really difficult catches. is, you know, run-in-hatch. Is he the best wide receiver on the Seahawks? I think he's the most consistent. D.K. McCaff still has a lot of value to them in terms of, like, the gravity he brings as a receiver in that offense.

It opens up a lot of things for J.S.N. But J.S.N. is definitely, he's like a chains mover. He's really, really reliable. Like, in key crucial, high-leverage moments, he's the guy you want to go to, I think. I trust him more than D.K. McK. McK. at this point. And so he had a huge, year. I think the other guy that you have to mention in this, it's not quite as high of a level in terms of like where he ended up. But like compared to where he was at the beginning of the year or last year, I was, I had almost given up on Jameson Williams.

I thought like maybe like he was just going to be one of those guys who was too much of a knucklehead. That's a good one. He came in like first two years of the he got first off, he was coming off an injury. When he got back, he got suspended for gambling. And then that, I can't remember the timeline, but basically he like, you know, was injured. he's suspended for gambling. And then even when he was healthy, like they were barely using him. They were like working him in.

There was all this like talk from the coaches like he needs to learn the plays a little bit more. Like I just kind of got the impression he was a knucklehead. He wasn't really taking it seriously. Something clicked. The light went on. Dan Campbell talked about it all offseason. Like this guy is like night and day different than what we thought than what he was last year. He's really bought in.

He goes out there and he blocks like all this stuff. And he was awesome this year. Actually went over a thousand yards, which is which is kind of underrated. I didn't really feel like he did, but he has so many of these deep catches at it. He went over 1,000 yards on 58 catches, seven touchdowns. I truly think he's one of the most scary players in NFL when he touches the football because it's like he could do anything. He's so fast.

And he's such a fun weapon in this offense. So he made a huge. Get alive. Yeah, seriously. It's like annoying that it worked out for the lions. They've hit on so many players. How dare you? Well, I love the lions.

I'm just saying more like, man. Share some with the rest of us. I don't think it's an accident. The lions, I think, have given. more rope to their young players. I think a lot of teams, frankly, would have benched a lot of the players that they've dealt with.

And they had patience with, not just James and Williams, linebackers, there are a lot of players across that roster they have patience with that are delivering. Other teams would have benched. It's an intentional thing, I think. Who do you have,

high fits? I think we have to make an exception to the rule. I mean, this is a, the leap is a bill concept of when I would define as, or I think Bill is defined as when you put it all together.

By definition, this is usually not a rookie. We have to make an exception. No offense to any of the guys you guys who guys are talking about. the answer has to be Jaden Daniels. Like Jaden Daniels, if you need to win a football game,

literally the answer of who you would pick if you have to win one game or one drive to win a game. The answer is Patrick Mahon, whatever order you want to put him. Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Jaden Daniels is fifth.

I dare you to find a fifth quarterback you would put ahead of Jaden Daniels to win a football game. He's 24 years old. This is not usually a thing you give the rookies. Jaden Daniels, I really, it's one of the most important. impressive rookie seasons I've ever seen in my entire life.

It's a great pitch, but sadly, that is not what the segment is. So I'm going to have to deny that. But he made the, oh, but he did it. It's just, it's just you never see it from rookies. That's why you don't, it's just never a thing. But I, you broke the segment. That's what, uh, I was talking to Kyle Brandt about that. He was like when, when you're like, oh, who's the best team in the AFC right now?

And someone's like, well, I want to talk about the NFC. It's like, no, no, you broke the segment. But if you go to the late, who put it all together, it's, it's, it's Jade Daniels. Was it first year? I'll break it. All right. We'll tape it back together. Fine.

I think it's probably J.S.N. Yeah. Good for you, D.K. It was going to be Rishi Rice. Damn. But he got hurt. And then the Steelers would have resigned Russ, so maybe it was a good thing. Okay. Dion Waiters Award, which is the best waiver wire guy of the year.

High Fitz. Who is the best waiver wire guy of the year? I have positions, but it's just Florida. It's the Bucks, number one. Florida. Florida. It's Baker Mayfield, the quarterback. it's working at running back

and it's Jonas Smith at tight end, pick your poison. So going backward, first of the consistency with Baker's crazy. Baker was the quarterback, the fourth best fantasy quarterback

on the year. He was the fourth best fantasy quarterback in the playoffs. He was the fourth best fantasy quarterback. It's the second best fantasy quarterback in the championship. So like I think it has to be Baker quarterback. Riding back.

Baker won me a title. Baker won people a title. I think it's, I think if you're not doing this positionally and you're just giving it to one person, I think it has to be Baker. I think it has to, again, number two quarterback

in the championship way, just the consistency. is so rare. Running back, though, it's Bucky Irving because I was barely drafted. And the leagues and he was drafted. I think he was cut in a lot of leagues. He didn't really do much for a couple of weeks. And what made it better, the reason, another good argument for Bucky

is that for running backs, not a lot of running backs got hurt this year, so there wasn't a ton of like Yes, opportunities to grab these guys. Yeah, I was like Jordan Mason maybe had it for a second that he got hurt. There wasn't a lot of backups that stepped up. After week five, Buckierving was a top ten fantasy running back. And then, again,

the consistency championship week, the players who scored 20 points at running back in fantasy in the championship is Jemir Gibbs who is a top 15 player Jonathan Taylor is a top 15 player Derek Henry was a top 15 top 15 top 20 player Bijjan Robinson who's a first run pick

Bucky Irving Yeah yeah and then tight end though Jonu Smith was the number one tight end in fantasy after weektime number one tight end in fantasy after weektime is Jono Smith The other guy I was going to add I put Bucky Irving as my pick I think he's the guy but Chase Brown

for the Bengals who if you remember at the beginning of the year, Zach Moss was kind of their starter. They were really leaning on him for at least a few weeks. And I'm guessing a lot of people dropped Chase Brown at that point. But then Zach Moss got hurt.

And he was already starting to be pretty ineffective and they were already kind of like going to Chase Brown a little bit more. Zach Moss went on IR. Chase Brown took over. They utilized him like Kyron Williams style. Like he was getting 100% of snaps. And from week four on, Chase Brown was the RB7 in points per game.

Chase Brown is interesting because, I feel like it's kind of similar, I guess, to Bucky Irving, where because he wasn't, like a highly sought-after prospect, he's been really good, but it's like, it takes a couple, it takes an extra year for people to admit that when you're not a first-round pick. Yeah. So, like, if Chase Brown and Bucky Irving were top 10 picks in the draft, I feel like next year, they would be top 15 picks in fantasy, but because they don't have that kind of, like, resume behind them, I think it's going to be harder for people to come around.

They're anchored to kind of, like, who they were supposed to be. be. Remember James Robinson? Yeah. I just always think about that because he was an undrafted free agent, came in. I don't remember where he finished in the year, but it was like really high. Yeah. And then there was an injury or two that kind of like he ultimately like fell off completely. But I just think the problem and the reason this happens is because these lower drafted guys are more replaceable for teams. It's just easier to replace them because people, because of where they were drafted. It's just the simple fact of the matter. but that doesn't take anything away from these guys.

I'm just saying, like, that's, I think what people are sticking to is, like, the teams are not going to move on from our first round pick. Like, Najee Harris is still the freaking starter for the Steelers, you know? And so there's, like, some more security there, I guess. Next award. This is the Ruffalo, Hannah Rubeneck Partridge Overacting Award. For our purposes, this is kind of, who is fools gold? Who has kind of the crazy over-the-top plays?

But they're not actually good. I think there's one answer for this. Is that right? Well, there's multiple probably candidates, but in my mind, there's one guy. Do you want me to say it or do you want to go through the guys? Mine is the combination of James Winston and Jerry Judy. That's actually a really good answer.

I had that one as well. Jerry Judy being sixth in receiving yards, and I'm like, is he even good at football? I don't think so. Or is he just good at asking James Winston for the football? It's just the right situation. It's like Michael Madsen, acting in Tarantino movies.

It's like he's not, he's not good, but he's in, it works in the movie. DK, who is yours? That's actually a better answer. I rescind what I said before,

but Nick Westbrook, a keynote, had nine, nine fucking touchdowns on 32 catches. He literally had eight touchdowns and eight games and seven weeks, seven weeks in a row, we said that won't happen again.

And then the one time we said he will score touchdown this week. That was the week he didn't, he didn't score. Jerry, Judy, Week after he scored again? Yes.

Yeah. Love it. Okay. Next to word here, this is the one injury Mulligan. If you could wipe away one injury this season, who would it be?

D.K. This was a tough one for me emotionally. I chose Chris Godwin. I just think it would have been really fun. He was just having such a great year. He seems like such a good guy. Easy to root for. Fun player to watch.

What did he say? Was it back to work, John? back to work. Joe. That's so brutal. Joe. God. So I think I would choose Chris Godwin.

It's also sucks because like the Bucks weathered the storm without him. Jalen McMillan came on. And if Godwin was there, maybe they win the playoff game. Things are more fun. Mine was Aiden Hutchinson. I know. Oh, that's good. I had that as a sliding Doris thing too.

It's like if Aiden Hutchinson hadn't gotten hurt, I wonder what this, this lion's team would look like. I know. If the lions lose because of injuries and then they lose Ben Johnson and Glenn and I don't know, this was a weird defensive player of the year award. Trey Henderson, Hendrickson, I think has 17 and a half is the most. Nobody else has more than 14. Dude, Aden Hutchinson

had 7 and a half in five games. He was on pace for 25. He was on pace to break the record. So, yeah, I would have taken that. That one's tough. Yeah. Also, Rishie Rice, I think, is another one. Not on the

same level as like overall impact maybe, but like, yeah, I think he could have had, you know, 1,200 yards, 10 plus touchdowns. Hivis, did you have one? Or did you wish Drewlock got hurt? I did during that Colts game when they won the goddamn game. Man, I mean, no, for an injury, Mulligan, I think it's either got me.

I mean, Christian McCaffrey, the Achilles. I mean, again, I think it's worth remembering a lot of people took him number one. I forgot about him. We moved him down. I think we were like the only fantasy place, basically, like, didn't have him number one because of this issue. But I don't think we even had any idea. you got to remember people took him number one in the draft

and found out on Monday night football of week one 90 minutes before the game that he was like yeah by the way they couldn't put anyone else in yeah that calf injury that's that's actually his Achilles and like that's like your fan those are the things that make people want to stop playing fantasy football yeah

Kyle Kyle Kyle Kyle okay best that guy award for our show that's the that guy is on that team this is like when you're dad walks in and he squints at the TV and he's like,

Joe Flacco is on the Browns, which was last year. I guess you could have said the same thing. On the Colts. Yeah, Joe Flacko on the Colts. It's just always Joe Flacko? Joe Flacco? On the Jets? It's kind of a weird year because a lot of really, like, this is a tough year for,

for semi-casual fans of the NFL because it's a tough year for dads watching games with their sons. Because every, like, it's like Derek Henry's on the Ravens, Sequan Barclays and the Eagles. Josh Jacobs is on the Packers. The NIL is ruining football. Tavante Adams is on the Jets Kurt Cousins Kirk Cousins is on the Falcons

You can keep going I don't know Adam Feelein people are like He's in the Panthers I thought he retired Stefan Diggs showed up on the Texans for eight weeks Zackertz is on the commanders Yeah There's a lot

Austin Echler Oh great one Austin Echler Oh that is a good one yeah I put the Dante Pettis on the Saints Marcus Valdez Scantling on the Saints Sergio Wilson on the Saints The Saints receivers Is really what I'm saying

there are two, this is a little more of a deep cut, but that's in true watchable's fashion. Teddy Bridgewater's on the Lions. Oh, that's right. When they play this weekend, they're going to go to that shot of him on the sideline. I thought he was coaching high school football. He was.

He did. They won the state championship in Florida and he signed with them. He's like, I'm not really doing anything. You want to hang out? The Lions were literally like, yeah, we just kind of want them in the locker for this run. They signed it. Like two weeks ago.

It's insane. Dang. I forgot about that. When I saw that story, I thought it was like one of those fake accounts. like making up a story. And I was like, oh,

they really fucking, they really did sign him. He's literally there for vibes. Yeah. Like he's just coach the season. Yeah, he's like, you know how they have,

you know how like teams will have like that, what's that guy? The mentalist guy. What's his name? Oh, yeah. Oz the mentalist. Like come in and like lift everyone's spirits

by doing this crazy shit. Dude, do you think we could get Oz the mentalist at the Super Bowl? He's got to get him ready around, right? Oh, man. I was going to ask more about Oz, but go ahead. No, please go.

What does he do? He does magic tricks in front of football team. No, it's like he purports to be able to like read your mind by you, like the micro expressions you use and stuff. It's like really fucking wild. I don't know what it is. He's like the new David Blaine. Yeah. He just does shit you can't explain.

He can like, he can predict what you're going to say. Therapy stuff or is it more like I'm going to make this this apple disappear? He asks you like your deepest darkest thoughts and then like how to. has it written on the card already, but it's like... Yeah, it's like... I think in the preseason, it's like they will say,

predict this, whatever. I gotta say, yeah, magicians, I don't know, they get a bad rap, but every time I see a magician, actually like a good one, I am so blown away

and truly don't understand how any of it works. It is like, one of the last things where I'm like, I genuinely have no idea how they did that. I saw one in Vegas last year

for the Super Bowl. I was at a restaurant some guy, he made a card show up on the inside of the wine cellar in the restaurant. He threw the deck of cards at a glass window. And one card stuck, but not on the side that the card hit. On the other side of the glass, the card stuck. That was the card I had picked. And he like made a Coke can fill after pouring it out by just rubbing his hand on it.

Like I just, I love, no. You start feeling a little religious. Yeah, no, you're like, oh, there's one left of the world. I loved when David Blaine had his resurgence and he would go to famous people's houses and like he would go to Will Smith with like his,

you know, with Jada and like his hair. Harrison Ford was the best. Oh yeah, and he just starts sticking like a letter opener through his fucking hand and Harrison Ford's like what the fuck is going on? That's not even magic. He just,

it's just pain tolerance. Yeah, it's just like, I'm gonna just stick this through my fucking hand. He had one where he like, he like somehow made a car and a playing card like get lodged inside of a grapefruit that had yet to be cut.

And he had Harrison Ford cut the grapefruit open and discover the card. And Harrison Ford just looked at him and said, get out of my house. Get out of my house. Get off my plane. What? Dude, those Blaine specials,

if anybody wants a good hour and a half, it's so entertaining. They're incredible. Get off my plane. The other, I didn't kill my wife. I don't care. I think about that scene a lot.

I don't care. That's a great. That's an all-time line. improvised. Oh, really? Oh, wow, that's great. The only other, that guy I have to shout out because he deserves it is,

did you guys know Mercedes-Luiss is in the NFL? Oh, damn, is he really? Is he on the Bears or the Packers? Mercedes-Luces is on the Bears. He caught an NFC North team. Oldest person to catch a, Mercedes-Luas caught a pass this season. He's 40 years old.

Damn. The only active player older than him is Rogers. Do you know the next youngest person to catch a pass? He's 40. Jimmy Graham. No, it's Kelsey at 3. 35.

Like, no one from 35 to 40 caught a pass, and then Mercedes is 40. Mercedes-Luess was drafted in 2006. That is the same year as Matt Liner. Wow. And D'Amico Ryan's. Whoa. And Mercedes-Luiz is still in the NFL. He's like older than like half the coaches in the league.

Yeah. Look, pal, you can't tell me what to do. He's two years older than McVeigh. That's a good one. All right, the Vincent Chase Award for Are We this guy is good at his job. Breece Hall. Craig, you were on this from the very beginning,

and I scoffed at it initially. And then there was a moment in a game. It was like week three or something, and he got like caught from behind. It was the Bill's game. He was going to score a touchdown, and he was like basically just was running in mud. Anti-juice.

No juice. Fuck, Craig is right. Something happened to this, man. I should have put that in what stage the best. I forgot. I think even Scott Barrett then, like, looked into it and found out that like he's not reaching top. speeds anymore. He's not explosive.

It looks like he's got... Well, he was like... There was like some injury, something or other in the background. But yeah. I don't know. But you're right. You were right. I scoffed hard at. I was like, Craig, shut the fuck up. Like, he's so good. And then I saw it and I was like, oh, God. You're smart. I'm dumb. Yeah. You're the best and the worst. The other guy, I don't even know if this is, are we sure? I think we might know.

But Bobby's slowy? Yeah, I put that. I... That's what I put. I know the Texans just won a playoff game, but they literally turned the ball over more times than they scored a touchdown. So I'm not really going to acknowledge that Bobby Sloerick did a good job. Fair. Okay.

Speaking of, well, that's all you guys have for, are we sure this guy's good at his job? Hyfit, Hyfit says like a list from happy, or Billy Madison. Oh, yeah, I got a list with a lot of, yeah. I kind of wanted to pick like the top one or two rather than list 15. How about Bill Belichick coaching college football? We sure that's going to go well? No.

That's kind of an unanswerable question, isn't it? Okay. All right, fair. What else you got? I thought you want to do the list I just, you know. No, I'll give him Bobby Sloak gladly. I'll gladly give Bobby Sloak

Beating to Chase Award. All right. Well, who else you got? Now I'm curious. Give me a couple. Now I want to fucking know. Wet my beak a little bit. People I'm not sure are good at their job.

Jerry Judy. Beak. Wet the beak and bend the knee are incredible. What my beak is like worse than cat bird's eat. No, wet the beak is incredible. Wet the beak place. Let the beak is incredible. Wet my beak a little bit.

Wet the beak is incredible. Timeless. Oh, God. Jerry Judy. Dude, George Pickens. Are we sure George Pickens is good at his job? Yes.

Well, we're sure. I'm a Cabocha girl. I'm sure he's good at catching the ball and playing wide receiver. But I'm not sure he's good at wanting to play a wide receiver and being a teammate. So no, he's not good at his job. If you're like good at your job but you don't want to do your job and don't like the people you work with, you're probably bad at your job.

Okay. Sure. I love him, though. He's good enough to be tolerated. Yeah. The only other Vincent Chase person I have is I think Mike Tomlin has reached Bill Belichick status where he is obviously like a- I was hoping you didn't do this. Platinum tier coach.

But Mike Tomlin, the GM, I know he's not as much of a GM as Belichick was, but he's close. Mike Tomlin, the off-season acquisition person is beginning to hurt Mike Tom and the coach. Like the lack of prioritizing quarterback at some point. Like the entire Matt Canada thing where everyone was making fun of Matt Canada for the last two seasons. as if Mike Tomlin's not fucking his like the boss

of Matt Canada dictating Matt Canada what to do like how many years in a row can Mike Tomlin oversee an offense that is horrible or not prioritizing quarterback until we're like maybe Mike Tomlin's making bad moves in the front office

What's Matt Canada doing? Does he have a job? I was going to ask that exact same thing He went home to Canada. Is he coaching Teddy Bridgewater's JV team? He is unemployed. Yeah.

Well, he's probably getting paid by the Steelers. Probably getting... That's what I'd be doing. Three quarters of a million dollars to just fucking play golf every day this year. Okay.

The Butch's girlfriend award for the weak link of the film, which for our purpose is, this is, who ruined your fantasy season? For you, who was the worst player of the year?

Last year, Cadarius Tony and Arthur Smith, I believe, were the two most popular selections. This year, I would like to begin with Mr. C.J. Stroud. People say Cooper Cup, perhaps, because he was up and down and kind of sucked in the fantasy playoffs,

but you didn't even make the fantasy playoffs with C.J. Stroud. If you play in a two-quarterback league, you were stuck with him the entire year. And in fantasy drafts, he was like the fifth, sixth guy off the board last year. He was the eighth best quarterback of fantasy. The vibes were high. They got Stefan Diggs, tanked out's back.

You had that lasting image of him shredding the Brown's defense in the playoffs. against the defensive player of the year, Miles Garrett. It all sounded great. Joe Mixing as well comes in. This year, C.J. Stroud showed up, played every game, and was the QB 28. He averaged 12.9 points per game, which is legitimately like a staggering number, significantly less than Aaron Rogers, Derek Carr, and Russell Wilson.

He's unstartable in two quarterback leagues. He was the lowest scoring quarterback in the league that wasn't either a backup or a starter that was eventually benched. So essentially, of a guy that a team was sticking with, he's the worst

quarterback in the league. And fantasy. Yeah. She'd be 28. Yeah. That's an accurate case. Anyway, who do you guys got?

I had Cup, but secondary to that, I would say Caleb Williams. And I'm speaking from a two-quarterback league point of view, which is what most of my leagues are. Because,

number one, just round disappointing from a personal point of view. I was very excited to watch him play football this year and he was very disappointing in a lot of ways. I think he flashed enough to be like still encouraged enough for the future. But like,

especially relative to Drake May and Jane Daniels and Bo Necks, like he was very disappointing. So many sacks. But from a fantasy point of view in particular, it was feast or famine every week. And it was so freshening. So I'm just looking at like his scoring log or his game log or whatever.

It was like seven, seven, 17. 11, 23, 28, 9, 9, 6, 16, 26, 26, 14, 9, 22. It's like, it was just like a fucking roller coaster and I was stuck on it. And I was, and he did have enough good games to kind of like keep you hanging on long. You know what I mean? Like, you're not like giving up on him and dropping him. Just enough to wet the beak. A hundred percent.

It was like just enough to keep you like attached. And then he fucked you in the fantasy playoffs with a six point game and a 10 point game. or I guess like a six point, a nine point game in week 15, 22 and 16, which was fine, and then a six point game in week 17. I may never forgive him. It was just like very disappointing. And it leaves like a very bad taste in my mouth from the rookie year.

I was very high on him, obviously. I was excited about what he's going to do. And you know what? He still might turn into a really good quarterback, but like this was a super disappointing year. Nothing stings more than investing everything into a guy in fantasy and he disappoints you.

It takes a good two, three years to get over that. Yeah. So this is like I told you guys, I think on an earlier pot, I'm like, I'm not going to have anything to do with him next year. Hopefully he's good. Hopefully he's like all over the place and awesome. But I just don't want to be on that ride. Hi, Fitz. I mean, Rogers ruined the Jets and ruined all the players on the Jets. That's pretty tough.

Got everyone fired in real life, ended his fantasy season. Edded Breece Hall. I didn't want to Garrett Wilson was miserable all year. And I think they both qualify for the I can't bench him, but I don't like playing them. I think he put everyone in purgatory. Shanahan, the Niners said injuries. but Kyle Shannon lied about it, which made everything worse. Like Kyle Shannon's the reason you took McCaffrey.

Kyle Shannon, like, Dibb, I still think a lot of what happened at Dibo this year was, I mean, he had pneumonia and they didn't fucking list him on the injury report and like, you know, pneumonia-related slump that like no one really even knew he had pneumonia. But if you want actual players in your lineup, I would like to nominate two people. I would like to just throw out without any further commentary that Jalen Waddle had the same amount of fantasy points this season as Nick Westbrookic-Kekine. I'm not going to, I'm not going to defend Jail and Waddle anymore. Thank you. I'm going to abstain.

I also... It's over. I meant to say this earlier when we did... What did you fall? Like, dead as stuff, do not eat? What did you fall for? Do you remember in the middle of the season when we renamed the two tight ends

who outscore Kyle Pitts and a lie? And we're like, if Kyle Pitts is playing well the season, make a Jill and Waddle. Do you guys know what happened to Kyle Pitts after we changed the name of the award? He didn't score very many points. No, in fact, I'm going to survive it right now

because players who outscored Kyle Pitts after week 11 and a lie. After we renamed the category? Yeah. After we renamed the category. This is fun. I'm going to give you four players

and I chose them because these are all players that I think a lot of people thought were retired. Four players, sorry, three players who outskirts after week 11 in a lie.

Dante Pettis. Jesus. Van Jefferson. Jesus. Jameson Crowder, Robert Woods. What team is Jameson Crowder on? He's in the playoffs.

Maybe he's on the commanders? Okay. James and Crowder. was when I worked for Washington nine years ago he was there. I know, he just like come back, yeah. Dante Pettis outscored Kyle Pitts since we can love it.

Three of these guys dead. Don't tell me that shit. Dante Pettis, Van Jefferson, Jameson, Crowder, Robert Woods all outscore. One of them did not ask him offence after. Oh, one of them didn't. One of them did not. Robert Woods. Robert Woods.

It is Robert Woods. Okay, yeah. But Dante Pettis, Van Jefferson, and Jameson Croutter all scored more points than Kyle Woods. Dundee Pettis, outscoring Kyle Pitts is disgusting. Yeah. This makes me rethink everything in my life. Okay, half-ass internet research here.

These are just going to be our favorite stats from the season. Last year, it was kind of Kenny Pickett facts only, which I loved and hated. I'll throw to you guys, list your favorite ones, and then I'll come back with some. DK, what do you got? This is ironic because I did this research before the Chargers game. But what I wrote down was that there was some rare. efficiency from the quarterback position this year from Justin Herbert and Lamar Jackson in particular. Justin Herbert had a 0.6 interception rate, which was the lowest since 2018. He had 23 touchdowns to

just three picks. And if you look at some of the other great seasons of the last like 15 years, Aaron Rogers put 0.3% in 2018. He had 25 touchdowns, two picks. Brady in 2016, 28 touchdowns, two picks. And then Brady again in 2010 had 36 touchdowns and four interceptions. Mark Jackson, 41 touchdowns and four interceptions this year. So just like some rare quarterbacking in terms of like not turning the ball over, throwing a lot of touchdowns. Obviously, Justin Herbert threw four interceptions in that playoff game. So that kind of like renders his little section moot. But like I think we got to appreciate what Lamar Jackson did in this year.

I'll do you one further. There were 387 interceptions thrown this year, which was the fewest in the NFL since 1982, which was a strike season. That was the year. Born, Craig. Oh, look at that. Great year. Great vintage. that was a strike season.

And so this is the least amount of interceptions they've thrown. In 40 years. That's because, like, I think running is a little resurgent. Quarterbacks are better than ever. And then they have, like, all these screen passes that are part of the run game, I guess. That's interesting. One of my favorite stats here. I'm going to, this is going to be a mini category inside the Half Fast Internet Research category.

It's called the Adele Park and Bark Award for the least mobile quarterback. And I'm giving that to Kirk Cousins. Nice. The Atlanta Falcons were not credited with a single. touchdown pass this season using play action, which is the first time that's happened since PFF tracked the data in 2005. Wow. That's a good one.

I thought you were going to say the one where Kirk Cousins completed two passes outside the pocket this year. I think that's actually a good illustration, though, of like why not being able to move around as a quarterback, like severely, severely hamstrings your offense. And that's like exactly what happened in York, the Jets. Just not being able to like be deceptive on offense. Really, it makes it hard.

It also makes the pass rush better because it's like battleship where it's like it's kind of just look cheating in battleship. And, you know, Michael Parsons, whoever's the defensive end is like, oh, I know exactly where I have to go. Right. But if you move, then like they have to think about it. It makes it so much harder if you're the offensive tackle to block for those people. I would like to do another segment inside of a segment, unless your segment's not over. My segment inside half-assed internet research is the Austin Gale burning down the rainforests to find statistics about how bad Deshawn Watson is. Yeah.

And like, to be clear, he's he's running so many. Like so many server farms and stuff, it's like using all this energy, they just had to burn down the Amazon rainforests. Blowing out the internet grid to figure out like the depths, plumbing the depths of the internet. And so when Austin Gale, so the first six weeks of the season,

if you look at the first six weeks of the season, by EPA per play, by EPA, about almost anything you look at, not only was Deshawn Watson worse than Jamarcus Russell. DeShon Watson was the worst quarterback in the history of the Cleveland Browns. I'm going to say that again, think about that jersey with the 35 names.

Like, think about that picture of the jersey with the 35 names that the fan keeps putting, on. Deshawn Watson is the worst one of all 35. The Browns offense with DeShone Watson this season was the worst offense in the history of the Cleveland Browns. The worst Browns offense ever. And then Deshawn Watson tore his Achilles. And then he tore it again. And then he tore it again. He has a $73 million cap hit next year and a $73 million cap hit in 2006. Unless the Browns can get out of some of it because of the injury. Yeah, there's something there.

I don't know. I'm that, wait, I do have a Browns one too. Yeah. All right. Can I let, can you guys guess which teams have won the AFC North more recently than the Cleveland Browns? Oh, this is going to be some team who wasn't even in the division. So the Ravens, the Ravens have won it more recently than the Browns, the Steelers, and the Bengals. So too have the Tennessee Titans.

God. The Jaguars. Oh, geez. who have, I mean, these teams have been in the AFC South for 20, 26 years. Even the Houston Oilers have won the AFC North more recently than the Cleveland Browns. Wow, what year was that? I don't even know. I don't even know.

The records don't go back that far, Craig. Yeah. The Houston Oilers. Wow. It's tough. We've discovered climate change and done nothing about it since that happened. And the Browns have not won the AFC North. Speaking of bad quarterback play, there's another Anthony Richardson, Seth, that kind of tickled me.

He completed 34% of his passes at 10 or more yards down the field. 34% of his passes 10 or more yards down the field, which was not only the lowest rate in the league this year. Since 2010, the only people to do worse than that are Deshawn Kaiser and Tim Tebow. That is horrendous. Tebow. That is horrendous. 34% of his passes 10 yards down the field. Dude.

My buddy sent me the stat the other day, speaking of Tebow. Tim Tebow is the only quarterback drafted by the Broncos to have won a playoff game for the Broncos. They beat the Steelers. I remember it, Demarius Thomas came winning overtime. That play, they had run that motion 22 times and they ran it all 22,

and Ryan Clark stepped up and the 23rd time they threw it, and that's why he was so open. Pretty wild. That was like, that made me a look back like, oh, I forgot about the whole L-Way drama. Yeah, he got drafted by the cults, and he was like, I will literally go play for the New York Yankees. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you literally like, I'd rather die. He had the Kyler Murray.

He was a first run pick in both, and he was like, I'm just going to play fucking centerfield. The other thing I thought was interesting is, do you remember at the beginning of the year? It's like, I can't remember, you know what I mean? Like, this has been such a long season and kind of forget, like, when we were talking about this stuff. But, like, there was a lot of talk that offenses suck now. at the beginning of the year and like for big chunks of last year, teams scored 22.9 points per game this year is just the seventh highest ever. So so much for that talking point.

Scoring is fine. I will say a big part of scoring is that there were more field goals made this year than ever. So that's not my favorite thing. A third of the 60-yard kicks ever made have been made in like the last 20 months. Yeah. But I think the bottom line is like all the fretting and hand-wringing. And I was part of that. over like offenses in the NFL in general, I think was probably a big overreaction.

Hyvetz, give us a couple. A third of the way through the season, the Bengals had the number one offense in EP per play in the entire 21st century and their defense was the worst in yards allowed per play in the entire 21st century at the same time. God. Best offense and worst defense in the century. The other one, I mean, oh, God, this one kind of, I think, describes the fantasy season. Well, last year in 2023, Christian McCaffrey, Brandon, Iuk and Debo Samuel had 40 touchdowns, and this year they had four.

Wow. That's wild. I saw one that was fun. Kenny Galday and Cooper Cup were drafted the same year and have the same amount of 1,000-yard seasons, too. That feels impossible. That feels impossible. So do with that what you will. What was the Cooper Cup stand that I had?

It was like, Juan Jennings had more yards. receiving the Cooper Cup this year. Yeah, which I think it's just crazy to think about. I also want to just while we're doing stats, I have to mention this was the year the Cloy's Box went down. A lot of Cloy's box records fell. James and Rooms, the Lions record for 60-yard catches in a season. Like broke Cloy's Box in 1952.

This is the year he went down. He finally fell. Clois finally fell. His empire. Josh Allen had the 93 fantasy points in the two weeks. It was the fifth most across any two games span in history. It broke the record Cloy's box. set in 1950.

Sorry, no, no, he did. He almost approached Close Box's record in 1950. That one's still standing. Oh, yeah. Close Box. 100 points. Close Box.

Close Box. The box is broken, finally. You know the box. The box descendants are proud somewhere. Oh, my God. Did you guys know this isn't even like a, this is just a straight number, but it just kind of blew me away as I was looking through things.

Wondale Robinson caught 93 passes. this year. Yeah. I didn't think about it one time. He is the prototypical PPR scam. One God. Like,

Wondale Robinson to me is a good example of he caught the passes because every time the Giants had a third down, they were like, well, just let him throw it up for three years. Double neighbors, let him throw it to Wondale and it will tackle him. And they just did every time. Yeah.

You know how like people in Wall Street or whatever will set up these schemes where they can like do micro trades with like once a second or whatever, like these really fast things just so they make really small margins. and it adds up over time, that's like the version of like Wondell Robinson and fans. Then Michael Lewis wrote a book on that. Flashboards, baby.

I read that. It kind of went over my head like five years ago when I read that. Not going to lie. I should remember that they blew up a mountain because they needed the fucking cables to be straight. Yeah, high frequency trading. I was like, what? This has nothing to the football,

but while we're half of senator research, can I read you, Tim Urban had that tweeted this incredible thread, but being in 2025 on New Year's Day. Did you guys see this? No. Wait, what? This is not about football, but while we're in half-hast internet research, it just stats.

Tim Urban was basically about like, it was like, oh, we're 20, 25 now. We're a quarter of the way through the 21st century. And so among the things he said, even if lifespans stay as they are now, many of today's college students will live to see the 22nd century. And a lot of the babies being born today will be still like running companies when they're 21, in the year 2100. D.K. That's Calvin. Yeah, like, Calvin will be, like,

basically if we don't even expand, like, the idea that like Jerry Jones and Joe, like, Calvin will still be like working in 2100 if he wants to be. The other one, 2040 is closer than 2010. 2060 is closer than the 1990. No. No. No. I refuse to believe that one.

It's closer than 1990. In sync, tearing up my heart, came out closer to the moon landing than, it did to today. Stop. Make it stop. E.T. These are wild.

How do I turn this off? E.T. hit theaters closer to the 1930s than today. Billy Joel. She's Got Away was released closer to World War I than today. I always say like you always look at like the 1900s. It's such a, you know, seminal century in the history of the earth. So many crazy fucking things happened in the 1900s.

And I feel like a lot of times it's like you separated into like the decades and stuff. And so like the 1940s is like obviously World War II, the 1960s, Vietnam. And like every decade has like a very distinctive like pop culture, very distinctive style, very distinctive whatever. Like the history is so vivid and whatever. And now it's like you tell me these stats where it's like, we're further away now to, you know, the moon landing or whatever it is. And I'm just like it doesn't make any sense to me. It doesn't feel like any of these any of these decades in this century have any like specific

personality. They just blend together to me. Maybe we're too close to it still. But like it feels like the 60s, the 70s, the 80s and the 90s all had extremely distinctive vibes and music and styles and history and all that stuff. Now when you think about I don't know what the fuck has happened

in the last 20 years. I think it's a little bit of both. I think it's like we're too close to to see it just yet, but I also think that there has been like a flattening of culture because of our ability to look back and blend old to new that everything's kind of at once

and everyone's kind of doing their own thing. Also, you know, I do think there's something to the fact that time feels like it's moving like things feel further away and I know that part of me is like, part of that is like just the nature of getting older, but I do wonder sometimes about that person who keeps the master clock at the U.S. Naval Observatory.

Like I've told you guys about this where like there's actually a master timekeeper. Specific jobs? Basically, yeah, they have a seizing Adam clock and their job is to keep everyone time zones like actually on the, you know. And this person was asked, what is time? And they were like, it's just the distance between events.

Like, that's what time is. And I think your phone makes more events in your life. Like the act of scrolling, I think, is what makes us disassociated with time because we are experiencing the illusion of more things happening. And so when you're like, oh my God, that's why I think we all have a very post-COVID,

like bad sense of how long, when things happened. Right. I can see that. Like we're unmoored from how things have actually. You become numb to it. Totally. Brain rot. It all glazes over. Yeah. Brain rot. We have a severe case of brain rot. Okay. Next up. Apex Mountain.

Who is having their career year? Professionally, personally, both. Sadly, High Fitz, Sequin Barclan. this is absolutely the apex mountain for Sequin Berkeley. A million percent. Josh Allen still, even if he doesn't win MVP? Has to be.

He got engaged. He got engaged to Haley Steinfeld. Like he has to, it has to be Josh Allen. Yep. Do you guys know 80 years ago today, Lieutenant Ronald Spears made his legendary run through the town of Foy, Belgium?

That's, that's fate. Yeah. There you go. Wow. For the people that don't know what I'm talking about, I compared, if you've watched Band of Brothers, this guy, Lieutenant Ronald Spears,

makes this crazy-ass run through, like, enemy territory, and then he runs back, and it just reminds me of Josh Allen when he goes on his epic runs. So, yeah. So you said the Chiefs or the Nazis, and he's just rumbling through enemy territory? Yeah, pretty much.

Yeah, exactly. Kickers, Apex Mountain for Kickers, 2024. God, damn. I think the first month of the season was absolutely Apex Mountain for Kickers, because they were making 50-yarders at like a 90% clip. And like, you know, the NBA free throws are like 87% or whatever.

And then they kind of super fell off. Lamar Jackson? I think you could be up there, but he's just, it's hard because he's had so many highs, you know, multiple MVP's. What about Sam Darnold? A week ago, we would have said yes. Yeah, honestly, if we had done this show originally scheduled instead of like, because the fires messed it up, we would have said Apix Mountain for Sam Darnold.

That would have aged well. It was. Well, actually, it might have aged well because that was the absolute apex. It still kind of is his apex mountain. I guess maybe it was just like his last year in college at USC, maybe. Yeah, did they win the Rose Bowl that year? That was, yeah, maybe. He did a crazy.

Give me a couple. What do you guys have? D.K. I just had Josh Allen. Yeah. I think Seagland is a good answer. Yeah. Okay.

All right. The opposite. Kyle Pitts, Death Valley Award. Who is having the nadier of their career? there's a lot of options I hate to say it but Cadarius Tony

the moment in time what was it he got a penalty on a fair catch of a punt and then he muffed it I can't even remember it was like such a terrible

sequence of events I blocked it from my mind he got a penalty on a fair kick and then he muffed a punt later in the game and then he got cut several days later I don't think he's on a team anymore so say him

Aaron Rogers 100%. Even though he has an enigma documentary? I'm two episodes in it's good. There's something to it.

The second episode is it bat shit crazy. You have to watch it. Does he do ayahuasca in the dock? Yes. That shit crazy. The whole second episode

is them on a hit, the cameras are with them on his ayahuasca retreat. I'm stepping on unanswerable questions here, but what do you guys think ayahuasca is like? I have no idea

I don't really know what it is Based on a documentary It says it's like 10 times more powerful Than any other hallucinogen The way I've always thought of it It was kind of like DMT And I don't know It's the irony is that like

I feel like he did it years ago Like I don't know Does Roger strike you as someone Who recently experienced ego death Because not really to me No I will say The stuff about him winning the Super Bowl

And then being like I feel nothing was interesting that's that's that's that is interesting to me i do want to hear about that that's like basically what started his journey to self discovery the art yeah it's you know if only he could have encountered literally any piece of art ever about anything where someone's like i got the thing i wanted it wasn't happy it's like even billy elish had a fucking song about that when she was like fucking 17 bro there's a funny there is a funny part of that talk though when he talks about how like the media always goes after him or whatever and he tries to debunk a few moments where he got killed oh and the one there was a

couple that were funny where he was like the bachelor his brother jordan rogers was on the bachelorette and he ended up winning he married jojo and at the end of the show when there's only a few people left they have to go to their hometown so they went to jordan rogers's hometown and they had dinner jojo jordan and and aaron rogers's parents and as the way they shoot it they're at a dinner table a square dinner table and there's two empty seats on one side of the table and it was like that was for erin and whoever he was dating at the time which is like just honestly fucking hilarious in general that like they would do that it's very good producing. But Aaron Rogers was like, I got killed for that. Like, I denied. He was like, one, not only did they not invite me to that dinner. I also wouldn't have gone,

even if they did invite me. But like, you really got to leave two empty chairs there at this fucking dinner. Like, you kidding me? And I was like, that's fair. That's fair. I also, honestly, that's fair. I kind of get that. Yeah. I'll get that. I will say, though, nothing, I got so, nothing triggers me quite like Aaron Rogers insisting he's getting canceled. And I'm like, you're getting paid like $80,000 a week to go on ESPN for like 20 minutes every week. And they're like, oh, they're silencing me. I'm like, you're the least silenced athlete there's ever been.

There's actually no one's ever had their voice be more widely spread ever in the professional sports. Not since Muhammad Ali has someone's words, but we're widely spread. Netflix is showing us on his ayahuasca retreat for millions of people to see. You know how much more money? Like, you know how much money you're being paid for us to hear?

Like, no, all we fucking hear is what you say. The least canceled person ever. Jesus. That was really funny. The other Kyle Pitts Death Valley Award, Deshawn Watson. I think, again, I would argue this is the lowest anyone has ever been, maybe ever. Like, at least anyone who's ever had like $100 million. P. Diddy.

All right. That's a good point. He's in the lowest circle of celebrity. everybody hell. I, I, I, yeah, he has to be, I mean, he's probably the winner of this category. I don't know. Other nominees. Yeah. This is like not a different category. He does. In terms of football, Justin Tucker. Oh. Right? He, yeah. It was, it was certainly the worst moment of their career. That's 100% true. Is there a case to be made for Tom Brady? I mean, it has to be the worst year of his career outside of like, Craig, you're

certainly pushing it. I'm peddling this ideology. Craig, you might have something to do with this. I mean, look, it would be hard to say any year of his career. I guess maybe the year he tore his ACL. He's making a lot of money. We're making the most fun of him, but he thinks this year's a success because he bought the Raiders.

And part of me thinks he doesn't even want to do the announcing and like he just used the announcing money to fund him buying the Raiders. And so like, I think he's kind of like jokes on you. Yeah. Maybe. But just, maybe in terms of perception, I don't know. Shitty announcer, he had the roast this year where he had to listen to people tell his kids

how their mom is fucking a jiu-jitsu instructor. That's a guy tough for the kids. He seemed like he was enjoying all the jokes, though. Yeah, maybe. I think you got a great face. Only the Bob Kraft stuff offended him. Only the Bob Kraft getting a handjob five years ago really bothered him. Those awful commercials.

I think there was a case to be made. There's a case. I actually think Bob Kraft, this is probably Death Valley Award. I mean, Bobcraft launching this whole like smear campaign against Bill Belichick to basically erase Bill Belichick from a Super Bowl. Like the six Super Bowls they won. And then ending with having to fire Gerard Mayo, the handpick successor that had he'd chosen years earlier after one year because it's embarrassed. Like, I, yeah, tough. Any others, D.K.?

Derek Carr? Oh, he's had worse. Yeah, I don't know. That's rich. I would, I mean, Will Levis. Anthony Richardson But that's like Will Levis was never that high

I feel like it's just like Not that no one cares Every guy who got drafted It sucked yeah I have one other death value one What about the New York Giants? New York football Wow

I mean this year Drew Locke did have The greatest New York giant Quarterback performance Ever 43 fantasy points He's like among Tom Brady Peyton Manning and Aaron Rogers with the best EPA per play since

1999. Do you think the the shades moment, like whatever week that was a few weeks ago with like the sun shining into the stadium was the nadir for Jerry Jones? When he's talking about, he knows where the sun is a year ahead of time. Almost a year.

Almost a year ahead of time. Luckily we find that out almost a year in advance. Almost a year. Like it is exactly 11 months in one week. It's Deshawn Watson. And Aaron Rogers had... Silver. Best fantasy team name you heard or saw online.

Do you guys have any that you thought were funny? I can rattle through a couple. Yeah, I don't know if I have any on this one. What is your fantasy name strategy? You two, actually. I'm curious. Well, I've given my strategy, which is just called my fantasy team name,

my first and last name. So people will know whose team it is. You have 30 teams, and you're, like, mad when people's name isn't like the team name. I don't want to fucking cross-reference all these random-ass weird names to figure out who's who to. Don't be in 30 leagues. Yeah, too late.

So in all 30 leagues, your team name is Danny Kelly's team? No. I mean, in most of them, yeah. But do you go inappropriate? Do you go player name pun? Do you do inside joke among the group? Usually inside joke. Okay. Hi, Fitz, what's your strat? I, it depends on the group I'm with. I, even in reach, I actually like having, I used to do all like player name puns. But now I kind of like having like a consistent one, like my oldest league, it's not a keeper or redraftry. Sorry, it's not a keeper dynasty.

It's just a regular redraft league, but I keep it. I am the mighty melonheads in a fantasy baseball league and a fantasy football league because that's like backyard baseball back in the day. Like I remember that game, backyard football. So I just love the mighty melonheads consistency. And then now every league I've joined in the last few years, people make fun of me for this being my job.

So. I enjoy a good player pun. My team name this year was Brat Summer, Breeze Fall. I liked neighbors think I'm selling dope. That was a name in my league. Oh, that's good. And then one that my buddy Scott came up with, shouts out Bay Area rappers.

He was like, he just texted the group like in week 10 and was like, has anybody come up with this name before? And it's, I'm in the building, Adam Thielen myself. You know the Mr. Fab song? I'm in the building and I'm feeling myself. I thought I'm in the building Adam feeling myself is so good. That's pretty good. That's really good.

Also, Amon Raw Dog, your flight. Oh, well That'll be D.K. I soon. Okay. Best quote. Best soundbiter moment from the season.

I, DK just said it though. Jerry Jones, we know where the sun is almost a year in advance. Oh, that's so good. That was like my favorite moment

from the whole season, honestly. We got a good, we laughed for like 20 straight minutes. I went back and re-experienced that. But like the other gem was, we know where the sun is almost a year in advance.

And then someone said, why not put curtains up? And he turns them and says, well, let's just tear the damn stadium down, build another one. You can't just put curtains up. You don't have to tear it down. You don't have to build a new one.

That's like when you lose, when you're like losing a board game and before it's over, you just hit the board game off the table. I guess we'll just tear it down the whole stadium. Where's the sun? Where's the moon? Oh my God.

His star receiver is like begging him to put up fucking curtains. And he's like, no, I'm not putting up curtains. I refuse. I think we can't give it to Brady because there's too many. There's not one iconic Brady call that sticks out to me, right?

It's just kind of an amalgamation of shooting calls. I think we need to, no, this is different. We need a category of just best Craig impression of the year between like Gus Johnson, Brady, JFK. I will say the best quote might be, man, the Jerry Jones probably wins, but the Gus Johnson. Yeah, Jack Sawyer! They're! Sawyer! Sawyer!

Sawyer! The hero! I mean, the fact that then Jack Sawyer, the leader actually won a game by fumble 60 in the semifinal. Incredible for us. That probably wins. No, we'll give it. It's Jerry Jones talking about knowing the sun.

It is Jerry Jones. That's the revert of this category. But there's other ones we have to talk about here. James Winston, Lord, deliver me from these pick sixes. And then they benched him. Careful we wish for there, big guy. Siriani bringing all his kids to the press conference to avoid getting fired. Human shields.

So good. Savvy. the more to think about it, the more Dick Seriani might be a genius. I don't know. Yeah. Dude, my Siri on my phone just my,

it just went off because I said Siriani. Siriani. We didn't talk about this one a few weeks ago, but this was an all-time quote. Russell Wilson, when he blew that game in week 18 against,

I can't remember who the hell where they played. The Bengals, now I can't remember. Yeah, the Bengals, they lost the Saturday night. Yeah. When it went through Friarmouth's hands.

Yeah, and they blew the game. And he sits down to the press conference and they ask him about the game. And he says, I don't want to talk about the past. Hell yeah. I don't believe.

You know the game? I don't believe philosophically in press conferences. I have decided I'm going to do this every time I'm wrong going forward. I don't want to talk about it. Remember when you were like out on Joe Burrow's wrist and then he like led the league in yards? Why do we have to talk about the past? That was like when Denzel was on Bill's pod and Bill was like, man, remember trainee day? And he's like, I don't like talking about my old movies.

And they were like, he's like, okay. What? That's good. Josh Palmer, man, you missed on that. Yeah, that was in the past. Focus on the future. Woody Johnson, the Jets owner, saying thinking is overrated.

He's got a point. Does he? Yeah, I guess he does. Did you guys have more? I have a bunch more. Hit me. Jim Harbaugh telling the charges he remembers the day he was born. Oh my God. I forgot about that. Dude, he literally told him that he remembered it. What the fuck, man?

Harvost, he's like the weirdest person in the world. Even his catchphrase, like, doesn't, it doesn't hit home for me, which is the attack every day with, with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. I feel like that's not that good of a quote. Yeah, he's too wordy. It's too wordy. He's too enthusiastic to take that. I just like, what does that even mean, an enthusiasm unknown to mankind? The best part, though, about the, when he remembered, he was like, he was, I was remembered, I was born.

He told this whole team, he's like, I remember coming out and everyone's staring at me and all right, we're ready to go. All the players were like, yeah, isn't that crazy? Like, they believed him. He does not remember that. He definitely made it up. I believe he remembers it. There was a time when he was the 49ers head coach and the Seahawks were like hardcore. It was like a super good rivalry during the early 2010s.

And I like hated Jim Harbaugh so much. I appreciate him a lot more now. But I was like, this guy is the fucking weirdest motherfucker I've ever heard. But I like him now. He's much funnier when he's not like the head coach of your. rival team. Another quote, this also aged the best when Chris Olavet was asked in training camp, if there's anything about the offense that excites him?

And he said, no. Yeah, we should listen to Ohio State receivers, turns out. That's like the quote of George Pickens after the playoff loss. And they were like, do you have optimism going into next season? And he was like, nah, nope, nah. Maybe you should remember that. Nah, nah, did you see growth over the last few years? Yeah, sure.

I saw growth. So do you feel optimistic for next year? Nah. What? Oh my God. This isn't it. So while we're on quotes from the season, I don't know if this is a quote. Is it a quote to when Shannon Sharp went live on Instagram while he was having sex?

My God. This is like the perfect example of like there's just too much news now. Too many things happening in the dog. Is that happened in 1982? Yeah. In the Donald Trump era, nothing can shock you at all. You know what I mean? like it's just like the craziest thing happens literally every day in the world.

Like the fact that he went live, I don't know who he's having sex with his wife. I don't know who was, but I don't know about that. Not that. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. To each his own. Like, D.K., you're so right. I don't even know if I sent that to friends.

I know. It doesn't even fucking like nothing registers anymore. Yeah. That was like 10 minutes of my dad. I was like, oh. It was not 10 minutes of his day. It was less than that. Yeah.

I listened to it. Normalize that. I listened to it. Did you guys listen to it? I did. I almost asked that. I almost asked Kai and Carlos to make it a sound drop and I was like, this is too far. I won't, I won't repeat any of the words he said, but a lot of grunting.

Oh, my God. Yeah, a lot of grunting. Quote of the year. The other, but here's like, we're in a world where not only did he not really get punished by ESPN or whatever from that and they didn't register. The next week, Adam Schifter goes on Kevin. Clark's show. And then Kevin asked him, where's the weirdest place?

You broke a story. And Adam Schaeft was like, well, he literally said, and I quote, I could remember being in Denver one time. How do I say this? I had just spent time with this woman for the first time and got a text

that Dale Carter was being suspended for eight games for substance abuse. Nothing shocks me anymore. I'm numb. Yeah, in general, I think I love hearing about like, I think they did this in entourage where it's just like celebrities

are just having sex and they're just on their phone or like taking calls. I find that to be very funny. Do you think DiCaprio was ahead of the curve with the AirPods while he's having sex? You know, you think that whole thing, like he has like the over ear headphones, noise cancelling. I would love to know if that was just a dumb rumor that got spreader if he actually does that. He like plays Scrabble after. There's like a whole thing about him. Unanswerable questions.

So what's the best quote? Is it the, is it Jack Soor of the hero? Is it Jerry Jones? We know where the son is almost here in advance. answer is it's Shannon Sharp grunting during sex? I think I think it's Jerry. I think it's Jerry. I think it's Jerry.

Okay, picking Nits. There's too many games. Too many games this year. Oh, yeah, I agree with that. The Christmas corridor was genuinely a gauntlet, as was this past weekend, where we had games Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, including college football. The problem here is that college and the NFL are in a fight right now for our attention and both of them are winning.

Yeah. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, yeah. And everything's just going to keep expanding. They're going to add more teams to the college football playoffs. We're going to get, we're going to get 18 games in the NFL season, which probably means two by weeks, which means they're really going to add two more weeks, which means the Super Bowl is going to be on president's day weekend, which in theory sounds cool, because Monday's off the next day. But I'm not sure I can take it. I'm not sure I can take that. And I, I, I know how it is, you hate when I do that, but I, I, the college mixed with the pro now.

is getting is getting really difficult. I mean, Craig, you've mentioned this before. I think in, and part of the NFL secret sauce is there's not, like, it's not, there, there is, there is such thing as too much of a good thing, right? Like, the scarcity of NFL games is actually one of its strongest variables. You know what I mean? Like, every game is so impactful. Every game matters.

The 16 game season in my mind was like the perfect spot. But what's, but what's nice, though, for the NFL, you're right about that. And it makes people who cover the NFL, they have to work more. But for the average fan, I don't know if they're upset about any of this because you don't have to watch every game if you're an average fan. It might be more fun to know, like, oh. There's always something to watch.

Yeah, maybe like four out of the seven days a week, there is a big college football or big NFL came on. Like, maybe they like that and they don't have to watch it. They don't have to. For people who are watching the sport more consistently like us, it's tough out there for the spouses. Right. Ain't no apple picking weekends anymore.

As Bill would say, it was a don't get divorced week when it was like college football playoff Thursday, college football playoff Friday and then Saturday. It's going to get divorced a month. Yeah, it's true. Right. Yeah, football Christmas. Tough. Yeah. What are some picking this you guys have?

I just would like to say I could have done without all the procedural penalties that the NFL decided to randomly make a huge focus this year. Ruffs. For no reason at all. Um, yeah. Stop making up rules for no reasons at all. Okay. No, I'm talking to go the other way and say, actually, it's the opposite. My picking is that no, uh, part of human condition is nobody's grateful for anything and that the refs actually fixed instant replay kind of a lot and no one cares.

And, but I'm just, I'm just, I, it's not about just the refs. But that's not picking. What's picking nits about that? Picking nits about people. I think that I, my name is with everybody in society. I got a problem with you people. There are three things. I mean just going joker.

There are three things with football. that people were mad about my entire life. One of them is how long the instant replay would take to determine these things. The other two are college football players don't get paid and college football playoff, like not enough teams are represented in the playoff. And this year, we had 12 teams in the college football playoff.

Players are getting money, can measure it roughly, to what they're really worth. And it's complicated and it's messy, and it's an imperfect system, but it's an imperfect life. And all I heard was fucking people winging and complaining about the college football playoff that all I heard my entire life

was 25 years of people complaining that we don't have a college football playoff and it got here and no one was fucking happy about it or excited. And I know people were, but the point is that that's not things you vocalize or whatever and I don't know why, but like I just,

I'm trying to be more grateful for things. And I think I've just realized that the things we complain about when we get them, no one acknowledges it at all. Like no one acknowledges when things you complain about for years or decades are solved. No one cares. That's all.

They did screw Oregon, though. That's a picking net of mine. Man. Come on. My brother went to Oregon. I'm an Oregon fan. They got absolutely screwed. The only undefeated team has to play Ohio State first.

The team they already beat. That makes sense. Anyway. Now Ohio State's going to win the national championship. Oregon, maybe, maybe, maybe how many points were they down at half time versus Ohio State? It's like 31 to zero, I think. Yeah, that's tough. It's still bullshit.

They would have had to play it. They would have gone through Ohio State, Texas, and then. I guess Notre Dame now. It's a ridiculous path for the number one seat. College football playoff ruin the regular season. That's kind of my point, though. It's like normalized, like, I don't know. Like, just basically people complain.

I think of the digital sphere, the only thing that gets through our complaints, but there's no one's happy about anything. And maybe I need to accept that being miserable as part of the human experience. Yeah. Nobody likes a happy guy. No.

I think that's what I've learned. That's my knit. It's like, can anyone like enjoy, Can anyone enjoy things? Is there anything worse than somebody you know being really happy? Yeah, I think, yeah. That's what I'm... Relax, dude.

That's an old Jim Carrey stand-up joke. It's like, oh, no, is that happy guy coming over here? That's how I feel. I have realized that saying, I think the refs are doing better has been like an actually deeply divisive thing. People get, like, deeply angry when I say, I think the rest are actually better now. And then people lose their fucking minds. That's all.

That's a good knit. We need referees. You need referees. You cannot play the game without them. They have to exist. Well, my knit is Terry McColley's of the world. That's funny. Dean Blandino, who for some reason, I don't know why,

why don't we just make the ref in the booth, make him the head ref. It's funny you say that because actually I really do think what happened. Deputize him. It's the hardest thing to watch on the field. If you're down on the field, it's just harder to see what's going on. Have him be in the fucking booth with 100 cameras. Give him 10 seconds to look at it.

He makes the call. Well, that's what they do now in New York. basically. Like, Terry McCallely's talking to the refs in the thing. But you're right. When you point out how the refs are like, oh, wrong call there. I do think it's funny that like the best refs go to work for the TV networks for four times

the money, 10 times the money with a quarter of the work. But then the best refs left. And I do think that's hilarious. It's like David Chang walking around his own restaurant and looking at the meals and being like, undercooked, overbaked. It's like, go get in the back. Okay, probably unanswerable questions. Is it a catch if somebody gets the same foot in bounds twice?

I say yes. What say you? I like this. I stand by that forever. And the other one I have, because we've talked about that a lot, is, oh no, I already hit this. Is Drake London the best wide receiver in the league that nobody talks about? I think so.

I was going to ask, what if Andy does. Dalton hadn't got into that car crash that hurt his wrist. Does Bryce Young's career happen? Yeah. Is Bryce Young just spiraling? Are the Panthers trying to like trade up for a quarterback? Is Dave Canal is fired? Who knows what would have happened?

Yeah. On that note, do you think Bryce Young paid someone to hit Andy Dalton's car? Right. Right. Yeah. I think that's like one of the biggest sliding doors moments in the entire season. That's a good one. And even if he got traded, do you think his career would have worked?

Like, if he got traded to the Raiders or the Steelers or something, do you think it would have works? No, because it's like a lot of, I feel like that is like an inflection point for a lot of quarterbacks careers is like once you get traded, it's like, ooh, very, very rarely does it work out from that point on? Because then you become a backup. And a lot of times it's just like that sort of you're slotted into that role forever. It's like, I'll be a backup quarterback for the rest of time.

Like this is how I feel like once they let Daniel Jones go. I'm like, okay, so he's just now going to be a backup probably for the rest of its career. Yeah. Same with Justin Fields. After he got benched, he'll probably just be a backup forever now. Hi, Fitz, do you have one? Unanswerable questions. So when this instant room coach, Darren Rizzi, the Rizzler, clog the toilet.

The clogged the day he was coaching. Do you think it was his fault or do you think it was like a weak toilet? What do you, generally, I feel like it is usually human error. Well, always human error, but you know, sometimes it's like the toilet's kind of primed

and you don't realize it. Like, sometimes the person before can kind of leave you in a tough situation. Where they kind of notice it didn't flush right, did they leave it?

Without doing anything? They're washing their hands of this. So do you think he was like nervously, absentmindedly using two toilet paper because his mind was elsewhere, like he wasn't focused on the task? You'd have to think that these facilities

have industrial toilets. I mean, they're dealing with NFL players, right? Oh, yeah. It's like the flush is like so powerful. Dude, to be honest, it's why... It's like a jet engine. The Spotify office toilets are rocket ships.

You could throw a puppy in there and it would suck it down. Like, Austin Powers 2? Like, you would just get sucked up in there. Why did you choose a puppy? I wanted to kind of paint a picture. How big of a puppy? As much, like, whole toilet paper rolls, one after the other. You could just toss in there and sucking those things down.

I love it. There's nothing worse than a weak toilet. You don't know how many wipes you get per flush. And then if you have to flush more, you're at somebody's house. You're in there for way too long. They're trying to drown puppies out here. They're listening to the flushes.

It's like, Craig's flush eight times in there. It's like, yeah, I'm not trying to clog it, all right? It's not my grandma's house. How many puppies are you trying to, how many puppies are you trying to drown? I think it was the Rizzler's fault. I think he was on his phone. Way too much toilet paper. Yeah.

Didn't think about it. Just think about other stuff. Other unanswerable question I had is, do you think Brick Johnson is grinding this new new College Football 25 video game to like set the Jets draft board? I think that's answerable I think he is unequivocally what would have happened if

J.J. McCarthy had not hurt his knee what would the Viking season look like? Probably the one seed. I know. What would how would Anthony Richardson's season gone if he had just decided to stay in the game and hand it off? Or just lied about it caught his breath.

I'm curious like how would they have benched him after that? Probably not. He would have gotten tired on a couple of plays later. Yeah. What would the Falcons have done if they just played Pennix from the start? Again, this goes back to like, you can't, cousins can't move. It like neuters the entire offense. Yeah.

Those are good. Okay. Last two categories. Just one Oscar. Where in the rewatchables, it's if you have to give an Oscar to one thing, person, the script, the director, anything, what would you give it to? For our purposes, we're going to give that the fantasy. MVP. It's not who won the year, but this is the fantasy MVP.

I think there's a handful of people that you could consider here and nominate starting from the bottom. I think Brock Bowers could be nominated. I think you have to factor in where they were drafted, right? But also just total output. Brock Bowers, I think, deserves a nomination. Jamar Chase certainly deserves a nomination.

I think there is a real case to be made for Brian Thomas, the rookie on the Jags. It's hard to overstate how good he was. he had the best return on investment in fantasy this year. He was the 46th wide receiver off the board going outside the top 100, and he finished fourth.

The only guys who outscored him were Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, and Amonrae St. Brown. That's crazy. A real shot that Brian Thomas should actually be the fantasy MVP. And I would almost argue he should get it, but it's still probably Seek-wan. I don't know if it's so... ESPN does this interesting thing,

and it kind of messed with my perception of who I chose for this, because ESPN releases, and Tristan Cockcroft does this article at ESPN about the players who were just on the rosters of the most championship teams. And the player at the top was really surprising to be, and it's because the huge end of season performance. But the player who won the most leagues was Jemir Gibbs on ESPN at least. And he was on 29% of teams berserk late in the season, right? Yeah. Like I think he had like almost 80 points in the semis in the championship line.

He actually only had two fewer, if through 17 weeks, he had two fewer points than Seguan, total. And it's a funny answer because the first 14 weeks of the season, I don't think you would have been like Jamir Gibbs League winner, but like that's how it works. Like if you made it that far, like he won. But he was on basically one out of every three championship teams had Jimir Gibbs. And then after him, it's Jamar Chase, Lamar Jackson,

Jackson, Buckie Irving was fourth and then Brock Bowers was fifth. But the difference is, it's pretty stark. It's like Chase, Lamar, Bucky, Brock are all between like 21%, 90% of leagues. And Gibbs is 30%, which really messed with my perception of it because I wouldn't have picked Gibbs. but like fantasy points has a war stat wins over replacement a wins above replacement and in basically every category in terms of like ppr half ppr tight-in premium non-ppr sequin is number one i think the difference though is that's the but not all the wins matter

like the wins in december matter more right but sayquan week 16 he had 29 points week 17 he had 22 i mean he closed for you i think it's sayquan i i think it's sake one i Also, Brian Thomas, the last three games of the season for him, the last three games of the fantasy season were his three best performances of the year. That's a good zag. I think that, I think the ROI argument is very valid for him. Dude, week 15, 30 points, week 16, 26 points, week 17, 23 points. Three best games of the year at fantasy playoffs.

But I don't think he was the MVP. Well, is, yeah, it's hard. I think his, I think his best return on investment was probably true. I also just Jamar Chase though as well As much I want to get to Sequin I kind of think it might have to be Jamar Chase He won the Triple Crown in a year where all the receivers were bad That's the other part of it is like

There were a lot of good running backs this year And there were a lot of paths to if you didn't have Sequin To like you still could have had like Dark Henry You still could have had Jonathan Taylor You could go to David Montgomery for a little bit Like Jimmyer Gibbs Buckier Irving like if you didn't have a good receiver Like you need receivers this year

It was like you had Chase Jefferson And Jefferson didn't necessarily have great semis Amonrah Amon Ra, Chase Jefferson. And after that, it was like, you needed a Brian Thomas. It was a very small pool. So, like, I kind of think it's Chase because odds are, you just, I don't know. Odds are your team was, I would take Chase over Sequin.

You could make the argument. It was, it was Mayfield, just as long as we're throwing out names here. You know, you got him undrafted. He ended up being the QB4 on the season. And I'm just looking at his playoff performance, 28. 22, 34. I think it's hard to give it to a quarterback because if you're in a one quarterback league,

sure. I don't know. It's not that hard to have a good quarterback. There's a reason Lamar, even though you paid a lot for Lamar, that Lamar is number three on this list of winning ESPN leagues. Like he's third,

which is pretty crazy. We have to get out of here with an answer. I'm not going to let us leave without an answer. I think we have to decide right now if we're talking about ROI or MVP of just like, like are we how much are we trying to Brian Thomas

I don't think I don't think it can be Brian Thomas if you're redoing the draft right now and you're like I have to get this guy at his ADP who is it Sequin I don't know

part of me wants to say Brian Thomas to be honest if I can only have one pick he's not the MVP I think if we add in the white receiver four I think I think the part of this

that we need to add in is the holistic experience of the joy that I think the type of breaker has to be the joy you have having this player on your team. Because there's a lot of players and I think in that case it has to be Sequin or Chase but like it's probably Sequin.

Like if you had Sequin because the first game like the second game in the entire season Sequin had three touchdowns. And so I think that Seekoine having 2000 yards and the Eagles and the memes, I think there are a lot of players that are all like very similar in how much they actually helped your season. But I think Seekwon, I guess the argument for him to be

is like you had the most fun playing fantasy football this year with Seekone in your team. Okay, but that the next category to close us is who won the season, which is different than the fantasy MVP. Because I would argue Sequin Barclay won the season from a narrative perspective, from the vibes perspective, all the stuff that you were just talking about. Sequin, I think, won the season. Lamar and Josh Allen kind of split each other. And I mean, Jane Daniels, maybe you could say, but like, it's got to be Sequin Barclay won the year in 2024 in the NFL, right? I mean,

he could also want both. I was going to say, I was going to say Jamar or Lamar won the season. really? I don't think Jemar won. You think Jammar won the playoffs? But no one cares about the triple crown if you don't make playoffs. No one cares. Lamar then,

he's going to win his third MVP. I think, no, but the real answer to this question is whoever wins this game, Bill's Ravens, whoever wins that game won the season. And again, like basically,

if they win that game and they go to the Super Bowl, even if they lose, like, that person won the season. Like, if they can beat Mahomes. But the problem is, like, we could say right now, Lamar won the season.

If Lamar loses to the bills, no one gives a fuck about like he's Joel Embed also this is who won the regular season from a narrative it's it's it's Sequin what are we doing

I think I think that's I think that's fair because Josh isn't gonna be what do we do it so what did we choose for the MVP then did we choose Sequin maybe we do both maybe he won fantasy

and in the regular season it's weird because Seekwon was gonna win the MVP which goes gonna win the season and then like him not going for the record in week 18 I think like neutered it a little bit

But like, yeah, yeah. It's fair. I have no problem giving Seekwon the MVP. I would argue the Giants lost the season more than Seekwon won it. I think that people delighted in the joy of the Giants being bad more than people like are actually appreciated what Seekwan was doing. I kind of think Josh, I think Josh Allen, I would argue Josh Allen made it. I mean, that stretch where the snow game getting engaged. I mean, he literally beat the Chiefs and Mahomes, went on by, proposed to Haley Steinfeld, and then came back.

beat the Niners. Those are the two Super Bowl participants. Beat the shit out of those two teams. And then beat the Lions who were the one seat. Like you beat the one seat this year and the Chief Super Bowl participant last year. Then last year, NFC, Niners. And then this year is one seed Lions in like a three and a half week stretch. Yeah, I don't have any problem with giving it to Josh. But if he loses next week, he's not the winner.

So maybe we just give him Sequin. But right now, or based on the regular season, maybe it is Josh. And then the MVP is Sequin. I have a hard time giving. a running back the person who won the season. I know that that's like maybe a weird way of thinking about it, but it's like, it's got to be Josh Allen or Lamar in my life.

You could argue Sequin. The argument for Sequin is that he restored the position as a place of respectability, which was like probably hard to do. It's like Henry did some amazing shit too. Gibbs did some amazing shit too. But Sequin was the face of it because he was kicked out, you know. Coupled with the narrative of like, yeah. I guess it's a narrativey thing, yeah.

I would vote Josh. Josh for who won the season, one for the fantasy MVP. Yeah. Okay. I think that's the right way to end. I like that we're snubbing Lamar on both of these. People are going to be so mad.

He's going to literally win his third MVP over Josh Allen. I try. I try. That's what the real MVP is for. Yeah. Look, if he gets engaged to Sidney, then maybe he'll win. But Josh Allen had this Seinfeld thing plus beating the Chiefs. Like, what can you do?

Beat the Chiefs again. That would be helpful, yeah. The winner is whoever beat the Chiefs. the Chiefs again. That we just edit the show. And we didn't mention Mahomes like one time during this whole fucking show. Good on us.

What's to mention? People probably thrilled. Except for what he tore fucking Rishi Rice's knee. Yeah. The real winners were the three of us. Yeah. The friends we made along the way.

Thank you, everybody. That's it. A gauntlet. We did it. Fantasy rewatchables. Thank you for bearing with us as we as we continue to fight the fires in L.A., which delayed this episode.

Things look to be getting a little bit better. But crossing our fingers, it's a little windy still here. So yeah, thank you to you too. Thank you to Kai and Carlos. Thank you to Austin. Thank you to Bill Simmons for letting us steal this format every year. This format, like the sun, we know where it will be almost a year in advance.

We do. Thank you, of course, as always. We couldn't have done this season without him. The fantasy watchman should not exist without him. Thank you, Lauren. Hyphitz, you got to go, Lord. Jesus Christ. Oh, shit, Lord.

Thank you, Def Punk. Oh, nice. I love Daft Punk. I was re-listening to the Kendrick Drake rat, like the beef songs in order. And honestly, one of the funniest lines I forgot about was Kendrick's like, you're going to have to walk around the whole year like Daft Punk. Wear a helmet. It's like, yes.

Should we do that? Should that be our thing? Should we just start all such as wear helmets for like the whole? That's cool, like marshmallow or dead mouse? Yeah, if you just be like the helmet podcaster guys. Really tough. It'd be really tough for audio, but I'm sure Kai could make it work, Kai and Carlos.

Yeah. And a fucking helmet. We're like all in mascots. Have you seen that video going around of them? Sorry, I forget and we'll actually never know their real names, but the two of them in France at what looks like a college library, just like playing their most famous song in like 2002.

And people are like 1997. Like people are just losing it. And like it's just they're playing it. France and like it's just like five years before they released it. Oh wow. No, that's cool. I thought that I thought that was, um, GMT. I thought that was MGMT. I think Hiface might be complaining the two. What? They're playing electric feel, I think. Let's, uh, what's definitely MGMT that he's talking about? Uh, well, that's the problem. I don't know their names, so I just kind of thought it was daft. Shit. One of them is daft. The other guy's punk. European white dudes playing

techno music. Shit. Sorry. Oh, it was. Also, MGMT. are Americans, right? It was MGMT. I don't know how I retcon myself to think this is Daft Punk. It's all right. I mean, both electronic music-ish. I don't know.

Electric Fuel, great song also. Hell yeah. Daft Punk's better, though. Are they gonna make another album or what? Not sure. Which one? Daft Punk or MGMT. Daft Punk.

When's the last time they came out with an album? Do not know. We still don't know who these guys are. Is that correct? No, we know. Well, we know who they are, but they've done. I think they kind of got it figured out, to be honest.

I think they did the best job at being famous. Interesting. Like, I really think that, like, there's something to reaching that level of, like, global, like, incredible celebrity. Like, the music's incredible. But, like, I really, I don't think any of us would walk into, they could be, you could have a conversation with them into Starbucks. You would never fucking know.

Oh, 100%. That's got. to be the dream. Yeah, it's the perfect kind of fame. I don't think they're a band anymore. I think they disbanded. They had an album in 2023.

It looks like. No, they like re-released and it says they were 4033 and then disbanded in the 2021. Oh. Well, maybe they'll come back. Yeah. We can only hope.

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