The Ringer NFL Show - The 2025 Fantasy Football Awards: MVP, LVP, Biggest Leap, Hottest Take, Best Quote, and What Aged the Worst

Episode Date: December 31, 2025

The guys hand out the 2025 Fantasy Football Awards, including Fantasy MVP, LVP, what aged the best, what aged the worst, and more as they recap the entire NFL and fantasy season. They debate McCaffrey vs. Puka, shout out Trey McBride, torch Lamar and Justin Jefferson, and revisit the takes, narratives, and chaos that defined 2025. (00:00) Intro (04:38) Fantasy MVP (23:36) Fantasy LVP (32:30) What Aged the Best? (41:38) What’s Aged the Worst (49:43) Dion Waiters Award - Best Waiver Wire Guy of the Year (53:47) Biggest Leap Award (59:13) It’s so Over of the Year (01:04:18) We’re so back of the Year (01:10:53) Smarter Moves (01:16:00) The Ruffalo-Hanna-Rubinek-Patridge Overacting Award (01:24:15) Quote of the Year (01:31:49) Best Announcer Moment of the Year (01:38:50) Cloyce Box Name of the Year (01:42:14) Ringer 107 (01:45:32) Deadest Dove Do Not Eat Award for the Most Glaringly Obvious Thing You Still Fell For (01:46:26) Most Rewatchable Play (01:48:07) Worst Coach Moment of the Year (01:49:19) Probably Unanswerable Questions (01:50:26) Kyle Pitts Death Valley Award (01:55:29) Stat of the Year (01:56:27) Email of the Year (01:57:42) Life Lesson of the Year (01:58:54) Who Won the Year (02:02:20) Who Lost the Year (02:03:31) Stephen A. Smith Hottest Take Award/Craziest thing anyone said on the show this year Discord link: / discord Check out the 2025 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings: https://fantasyfootball.theringer.com/ Email us! [e-mail] This episode is sponsored by Chime. Bank Smarter, Progress Farther The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Kai Grady, Carlos Chiriboga, and Cameron Dinwiddie “Arcade”: NSYBBH8ONNLKC7H4 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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direct deposit earned 1.5% cashback on eligible secured Chime Visa credit card purchases. APY means annual percentage yields. Learn more at chime.com. Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Craig Horlbeck, and I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Danny Highfits. And today we are doing the 2025 Fantasy Football Awards. We're going to jump right into it. It was a long, arduous fantasy season. I don't want to talk about what happened in the Ringer Fantasy Football League.

But let's just say I had my last macho latte this morning for a week. Yeah, how's the mood? How are you feeling? Well, right now, I'm buzzing. You're on edge. You just get so much caffeine in today. Yeah, I'm going to overload. for the week.

All right. So, yeah, we're going to get to, we have a bunch of fun categories. Some are inspired from Bewatchables. A lot of them we came up with on our own over the years. We're going to recap the entire NFL and fantasy football season and one fell swoop. So we're going to start off big. We're going to do it like the Oscars. Like, they start out with like best supporting actor, best supporting actors just to get people, you know, hooked.

We're going to go with the biggest one first. We're going to start with the fantasy MVP. So I think we actually all might have different answers. So I'll start, DK. Who do you think is the fantasy MVP this year? So I think it's actually Christian McCaffrey, but I want to first acknowledge Puka, Nukua, because he was absolutely electric.

I feel like he got overshadowed somewhat by JSN throughout the whole season because JSN was on pace to set the record for a long time. He was doing incredible things. He kind of had come out of nowhere. But Puka ended up being the wide receiver one on the season in both total points and points per game. He averaged 19. three points per game and a half BVR.

Basically, zero duds all year other than one game where he got hurt and left early. Basically, every other game, he had double digit points. He was just the foundation of your team. I think if you had it on your team, you're probably in the top three.

All my teams of Puka did really well this year. He ended up with 190 in this, not even there's one game left, but in the fantasy season, 119 catches, almost 1,700 yards, nine touchdowns, also added a rushing touchdown.

He also did extraordinarily, early well in the early part of the playoffs. So he got 23 half pvr points in the first round, propelled you to the semis. He had 41 points in the semifinals. And so obviously if you had Puka, you're probably in the finals. He did fine in the last game. Not like you probably had to have other guys carry you in your championship game.

But I think overall, man, Puka was just rock solid start to finish. Stafford has an incredible connection with him. And he was just one of the most, if not the most valuable player in fantasy. It's a bummer that that catch from Monday night. Oh my gosh. Because that would have been quite the cherry on top of a ridiculous season. I mean, my God, the Falcons beat the Rams in that game,

but there was a crazy comeback that the Rams almost put together. Dude, that pass to Puka that he almost caught, those are either the stickiest gloves I've ever seen in my life or Puka might be really rising up the ranks in terms of just like the most ridiculous wide receivers I've ever seen. I don't think I've ever seen a catch like that. No. It didn't look physically possible.

the way that the ball kind of suspended in the air. I don't really, I don't understand exactly how that happened. I couldn't believe how quickly Puka had possession of that ball. Like the fact that he didn't actually drop it, that A.G. Terell actually pulled his arm and actually ripped away. Like, Puka had possession instantly. Like, I've never seen a ball travel as far. And then he basically hit half of his hand.

Yeah. That was, I don't know. Honestly, it's too bad that that didn't count. I think the two, I don't want to step on best play of the year. But I think two of the. best plays the entire season were then upon review not actually counting but that would have been right there with anything well they showed the speaking of that puka catch they showed the same angle like three or four times in row everyone on the timeline was like oh that's a catch

you freaking caught that this is your idea how many camera angles well i you get all the angles but only three times so unfortunately this one does count i think this i this is one of those where there should that that was a catch spiritually a catch we should get five plays a year we're like but that was cool though and we just get to keep it just felt like a catch then they showed the second angle and it clearly kind of came out of his hands again it just suspended in air it didn't like it wasn't like he lost it it sort of was just like he was readjusting it or something but here's the thing with puka and i think why if we go to next year and it's funny i don't know the MVP is we can argue about it but at each position it's so

obvious it's drake may at quarterback because of where you took him it's christian mccafrey at running back it's tray mcbride at tight end and it's pukkah at receiver and you could argue smith and jig but I think the reason Puka Nukuwa, maybe I think you can make, maybe he's the first receiver taken next year. When you watch the Rams play, Puka feels inevitable, especially with Devante Adams out because the, that, the fact, two different games this year, one, Puka had the most amazing play, a catch ever with the game on the line, week 13, it was amazing,

this Monday night football was, but also the amount of times that Puka Nukua gets a touchdown, it's called back for holding and they're like, screw it and he gets a touchdown again on the same drive. Like there, I think he's the number one player you don't want to, certainly the number one receiver and replacing Jemar Chase as the guy you don't want going against you on Monday night football. Yes. There's something about Puka that feels a little different. Like, you know how like when you're playing pickup basketball or something? There's the guy, kind of like Hyphitz, who is like, I'm going to make up for what I lack in talent with effort.

Yeah. And Puka is like that, but he's also a 10-anded talent. It's like, it feels like he's, Hyvitz would, I mean, he would agree with that. That's like how he describes his game. He's in your shorts. Yeah. I always said on Patrick Beverly and Glenn Davis's bottom. That's my pickup. Yeah. I feel like Puka tries harder than every other NFL player. You know what I mean?

And he combines that with his ridiculous talent. Like that catch, I feel like he was like, I will sell my body to make any catch to win this game. And it just feels different than any other wide receiver. I don't know. I can't explain it. Yeah, yeah.

I totally agree with that, Craig. He's just out there. I don't know. Like, yeah, he is just actually a maniac. And that is kind of a double ed short at times. and it has been in the previous seasons because of the injury situation, like he peels himself off.

He missed, he only missed one game this year. So yeah, I mean, I think it's going to be very interesting to see where he goes. It's also going to be very interesting to see if Stafford is back. I think Stafford after this year, regardless of what happens in the playoffs,

he's got to come back, right? Stafford's back or because he's back? Right. No one's ever won an MVP. He's not going to win the MVP, but no one's ever won an MVP and retired, right? I don't think so.

I can't imagine that. I'd look at maybe Jim, but I don't think so. But yes, I think he has a chance to be, you know, one of the first picks overall. Jim Brown.

Wow. I'm not going to like that. I got to get myself credit. Did he do that? Did he do that? He did he won MVP in 1960. That's the best poll I've ever had. Yes,

is Jim Brown. That's really impressive. I also think Stafford was one of the best values. Just kind of lump these two guys together. Stafford was an afterthought in drafts. Like you probably, if you're in a one QB league, you definitely just picked him off waivers.

If you're in a two QB league, he was down there. Like you could have gotten him really, really late in the draft. And he ended up being the QE5, basically up there with all the elite guys, 20 points per game, better than Hertz, better than Lamar. I mean, Stafford was freaking amazing this year too. Yeah, we always kind of say that there's usually one pocket pass there every year that that breaks through.

It was like Baker the year before, DAC the year before that. And it's always impossible to find them. But I agree. I mean, Stafford was going lower than most of those quarterbacks that like DAC or even Baker were. Stafford was like the QB 25. Nobody was thinking about him.

Bill took him in our draft. He took everyone. Cut him and then Mal got him and now won the goddamn league because Pucka. Mal won the league because Bill cut Stafford and then Stafford, she combined Stafford with Pooka and stack them. Bill also cut Trayvon Henderson. Yes. And then he ended up a Mounce team too because they traded him to her.

Anyway, it's infuriating. But the psycho thing, Stafford's a psycho too with pain. He plays through injuries. And then I think they're running back. Christian McCaffrey, I think he's kind of like that too. Like that's what all they have in common. McCaffrey, I don't. think gets put in the same conversation of like,

oh, he's a maniac, he doesn't leave the field. And I got to tell you, you can argue whether McCaffrey's the MVP because, well, he's a first round or other guys who went later, but... I want to make the case for McCaffrey. Please. I think he is my fantasy MVP. In terms of risk, reward, expectations, outcome,

the stress, what he delivered, all of that, it has to be Christian McCaffrey. He finished the year as the RB1 in both total points and points per game. This is now his third season is the overall RB1. Has anyone ever done that? probably Ledanian

Jim Brown yeah Jim Brown probably did it dude I feel like we all look back on the 2023 nineer season with McCaffrey and like that is kind of that that sits above the rest

that was this kind of magical season he scored one less point this year than that year and that's wild it's it's the single biggest fantasy exhale in recent memory

this man had bilateral Achilles tendonitis whatever that basically didn't play in 2024 for came back. Got hurt. Drafted him in the first round. And then yes,

we forget the Thursday episode, week one, the opening game, we recorded after that opening game, Dallas Philly. And that day, there was a report that came out that McCaffrey missed practice

with a fucking calf injury. I spent six months telling everyone, don't worry about the, don't worry about McCaffrey's health. It's stop working. You think they did that just to troll everyone? He played like 90% of snaps. Maybe he had a cramp and they were very cautious.

But I mean, Just adding that panic in, he's 29 years old, and then he ends up, after all that, he's at 399 touches. His career high is 403. He's going to break that this year. His career high in touches. He had almost 1,000 yards rushing and receiving. He's going to play all 17 games.

And like you mentioned earlier with Puka, DK, he didn't screw you in the fantasy playoffs, which I think is a huge part of this. Like Jemir Gibbs, who was great this year, killed you in the playoffs. McCaffrey was the RB4 in the fantasy playoffs. he averaged 23 fantasy points per game, which was better than his season-long average. So he got better in the final three weeks of the season. He had 29 in the fantasy championship.

So although you had to draft him in the first round, I think like the stress and pain and fear of having him and then it paying off, and him playing every game was the most gratifying feeling and fantasy. Agree. You went out on a limb to take him and it fucking paid off. We said McCaffrey would be the number one week running back every week he played. Yes.

And he played every game. Fucking crazy. The funny thing is, like, did he look that good this year? No. He was, I mean, he was. He did not look the same. Relative to Norman McCaffrey, I think he was not the same guy, but the volume was incredible.

He's obviously still a very good player. I think he looks like if he was a 10 out of 10 on like the talent freak scale, I think he's now a nine. Like to me, he looks a little slower. He looks a little bigger. He does not look as shifty. He was way more involved in the passing game. And that's what really brought him to this level.

To me, when he was running the ball, I did not, I do not think he's in the category of like, Jonathan Taylor, Jamir gives it all. I think it's the same thing to me as like Sequan, where is Sequin a worst player than he was in nine months ago, or is the offensive line worse? I just think the Niners' offensive line is just a worse product and the injuries along the O line. I don't think McCaffrey's worse.

I think that he just wasn't able to get to the second level for an entire season. But yeah, there was two years, absolutely. There's fewer big plays. I don't think he had to rush over 18, 20 yards until this week. But he just to me looks not quite the same. He's 29 years old. He's coming off a year of not really,

playing. I think he... He's fresh. 400 touches. I, yeah. No, but I, you know what? Got a lot of shit wrong, but I have to tell you, I was a big sigh of relief that he got freaking played. Well, yeah, you were about, you were fucking ready to jump off a cliff. That was Thursday.

You're like, I'm, this ruined my year already. Literally the moment, like, as soon as everyone's finished their drafts, then they're like, by the way, today he heard it. Like, as, literally he hasn't played, there's a two-day window where nobody's played any games, but everyone's done their drafts. Anyway. Is he, Hyvins, is he your fan of the MVP?

Or you want to make the case for something else? I think yes for McAfrey. If you want to do the whole thing of if you actually, ESPN sometimes publishes a list of like who actually led to those championship teams. I think the only person I would say, uh, I think you can make an argument for trade McBride because for one simple reason. I mean this without exaggeration.

The only tight end you could have drafted and then just played every week and never changed your lineup and you would have been great as trade McBride. like just to tick down the other tight ends this year that you could have taken just in order that they were drafted. Brock Bowers killed you for two months. George Kittle was good but played like 10 games. Sam LaPorter missed the final two months of the season. Travis Kelsey actually ended up as a top three tight end this year,

even though he's going to retire because he's so washed. T.J. Hawkinson was unplayable. God. I know. That's the thing. Total points. He played. I don't think I realize that.

But I'm just going down in the list of the order of these guys were drafted on average. T.J. Hawkinson, unplayable. Mark Andrews unplayable, Evan Engram unrosterable. Tyler Warren was really good and then like pretty bad after week 10. It fell off, man. I don't think he didn't have double digit points since week. 10. Yeah.

Did not have double digit points after week 10 months. David Unjoku was unrosterable. Tucker Kraft was awesome, but he only played half the season. Colston Lovell and killed you for the first three months. Dalton Kikade had like two good games after week five. Jake Ferguson was awesome, but he cratered after C.D. Lamb came back. Like week eight on, Jake Ferguson did nothing for you. Dallas Goddard was.

was frankly the only other tight end you could have drafted and then played all year because he just played and he ended up being a top six tight end out of sheer volume but he was literally not a top 32 tight end in the month of November. And then Kyle Pitts, who through 12 weeks was the number three tight end in the league. You probably didn't stick with long enough

to necessarily get you the playoffs. So yeah, I just want to shout at Trey McBride because the gap between him and the number two tight end is the same as the gap between the number two tight end and like the 23 tight end. Well, you know what's funny about that? I had that exact stat. You know who is the number two tight end?

the season? Do you know? Total points. Two or 22? Two. Do you know it was the number two tight end in fantasy football this year? I do because I looked up two tight ends who outscored Kyle Pitts in a lie and there were not two tight ends. D.K., it's Kyle Pitts. He's the number two tight end? That's correct. There were not two tight ends who outscored CalPitz this year. Oh, my Lord.

We have to retire the segment. What? Yes. I mean, look, it's still the stat hyphids aligned. I have the exact thing here. So it's just to show you how dominant Tray McBride was. Kyle Pitts, the tight end two, was closer to Kate Otton, the tight end 30 than he was to Trey McBride. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And what that means tight end more than any of their position, there's like tiers of scoring where the truth is sometimes we relied too much as a shorthand. The number nine, Tideon, the number 14, but Scott Barrett at fantasy points does a great job

points out. It doesn't matter. Like it doesn't matter. Tide in 914. If the difference is eight points a game and seven point three, it doesn't matter, which is obvious if you look at the scores of your matchup. Like you've already lost. You've already lost.

It's like the difference is between Tideon 10 and Tideon 20 is like one point a game. The difference between McBride's in his own tier. It's like how Kelsey used to be, where he's getting 16, 17 points a game. And then the next group is tight end two is getting like 12. Yeah. And so I think that's the argument for McBride is if you just took him, you're so much better off than anyone else did. I think that's a good case.

I think because of the lack of importance of tight end in general. And just honestly, like spiritually, narratively, it feels like what McCaffrey did this year was just more impressive. And that is the thing that when you talk to your friends about the fantasy season, I think McCaffrey is the first conversation you have in terms of somebody who delivered for you. He's what D.K. always says about Tom Brady. McCaffrey's the fantasy version where when you have him, he's like Alexander the Great. You feel like you can't die.

Yeah. Because he's playing for you. And I think he feels like he can't die. I don't think I can die. It's like Pook. The other guy that I would throw out here, and there's a scientific case for this, I think, is not scientific, but statistical. I was interested in.

Is Bijon Robinson. I saw this from Yahoo, actually. In Yahoo Leagues, the player most common on winning championship teams in their public leagues was Bajon Robinson. And part of that, I think, is obviously, so he was the running back three. He averaged over 20 points per game and half BPR. Probably won a lot of people their fantasy championship. That's the thing, is he went off as in the fantasy championships.

I think he scored 37 points last night. And he brought, he delivered championships to a lot of teams. Not necessarily like, you know, he wasn't up there in terms of the total points with Christian McCaffrey, blah, blah, blah. Like he actually was behind Jonathan Taylor in points for game two. But man, he came through in the clutch for you when you really needed it. So he was the number one player overall in terms of on most championship teams according to Yahoo. Yeah.

I would also like to shout out briefly. We mentioned about how important fantasy playoffs are. There were two guys this year who, like, were historically good in the fantasy playoffs, and it was Trevor Lawrence and Brock Purdy. I saw this at a couple of different places. Trevor Lawrence and Brock Purdy had the two best fantasy playoff runs by a quarterback in the modern era. Wow. Trevor Lawrence had 98 points in three weeks, and Brock Purdy had 94 points over three.

You said both of them are one, two? Both of them are one, two. For the most quarter, most quarterback points in week 16, 17, or the 15, 16, 17, 17 combined. Correct. Is that not insane? That's crazy. Brock Pretty helped me kick ass in my ninth place game.

Brock Purdy finished the season as the QB2 in points per game. Points per game. Yeah. Yeah. It's so funny because we're going to talk about, I think this is all going to leave to so much apathy for us next season of, it just reminds me like I was in group text. Obviously, it's like the group text kind of has one final pop off right when the league,

the winner is announced. And I asked a couple different. this and everyone said the same thing. I said in any leagues you're in, did the number one or number two seed win any of your leagues? And everyone's like, no. And I think Lawrence and Purdy is an example why. We're putting, like people who were playing these guys at the end were not good in the middle of the season. And then suddenly you have like Trevor Lawrence and Ashton Gentie or Trevor Lawrence and Derek Henry and Trevor Lawrence and Derek Henry. Yeah. And you're like those two guys, you're like, well, that's like 80% of the work. Yeah. We should keep note of that as the NFL

playoffs are about to begin, that the number one seed in fantasy. didn't actually win the whole thing. Maybe we should keep that in mind. So are we deciding that we think of Chris McCaffrey. Yeah. I mean, dude, he heard his calf the Thursday of the beginning of the season. You know what's funny, though? And he had the same year as 2023.

Dude, he was the foundation of so many teams. Yeah. But what's, what are we actually giving an award for? Because if you think about it, if we're going to outsource any award in the world to just a number, Bejohn being on the most championship teams is like by definition. the most I have a player

and yet we didn't consider them which to me just means you I don't know if you guys have looked at the championship teams in your leagues I'm in like 10 leagues you just look at the teams you're like this fucking team like if you'd come back three weeks ago

I'm like I wouldn't have picked I wouldn't I would you're like hey you can just have this team I'd be like nope I don't want that if you just blindly looked at the leagues the teams in your league and you're like guess which one you won the league you'd be like I don't know

it's to be it just doesn't feel right like Bijon Bijon had weeks like when you look at Bijon, like he had a week of four, eight, eight. McAvary was way more consistent than Bijon, and there's just way more risk involved. I think you have to factor that in. I don't know. To me, it feels like the story of the season is not Bijon Robinson.

It's McCaffrey for fantasy. Yeah, I think so. Or as Puckus, I think it's my position. It's so easy. It's Stafford and Drake May, which we'll get to May. But Stafford and Puka, McBride. We need to be, we need to be a official award. We're going to be mailing these guys.

Open up the envelope. Like the hymys. Yeah, it's McCaffrey. Okay. All right. That brings us to the LVP, the least valuable player in fantasy football. So we figured that we would go through our 17 players from the Burn Book this year and look to see if one of those players should be crowned the least valuable player

or if we have anyone else that we think deserves it. So I can run through our 17 players here that we play in the Burn Book this season. Starting in week one, Jalen Waddle, Mark Andrews, Isaiah, Checo, Calvin Ridley, Trayvion Henderson, Tony Pollard, Justin Fields is week seven. Alvin Camaro was week eight. We went on to Bill Merritt, then DJ Moore, AJ Brown in week 11, Roma Dunzee, week 12, Justin Jefferson, Ashton Genty in week 14, Emeka, Ibuka, and week 15. That's a brutal one. Jackson Dart, week 16, after he scored zero points that week. And to cap things off, Jemir Gibbs, who killed you in the fantasy playoffs. So is there somebody not on that list that you think

deserves the LVPDK? I think weirdly enough, yeah, the the least valuable guy in terms of where you drafted him, I think. And especially if you're not taking it into like guys that got hurt, like Brian Thomas Jr. I mean, he did miss a few games, but Brian Thomas Jr. when he was in there. How the fuck did we not have him in the burn book? I don't understand that either. What did we do? Because he was hurt for a while, maybe that, yeah, I don't know. We were going to give him time and then he got hurt. And so we, we never got to express our anger. And then by the time he came back.

I said this the other day when we were talking about Jalen Waddle. He came back into the game. I just didn't even notice. Like Brian Thomas got back into the Jags roster and no one noticed. Like he just was like the wide receiver four on the team for the rest of the year. So he's a super weird case. I think when it comes to, you know, like I'm in a dynasty, a lot of dynasty leagues. And when you talk about like what a rookie does, he, Brian Thomas Jr.,

what he did as a rookie was incredible. I mean, he literally scored the fourth most fantasy points among wide receivers as a rookie. As a rookie, 2.5 yards were out run. Everything about him was like, this guy is a rocket ship. Get him now before it's too late. He's only going up. People were comparing him to Mike neighbors. Who's better?

You know, Malik Neighbors or Brian Thomas Jr. And then I actually don't know if he's any good. Like, I don't know if he's good. Do you guys know if he's good? If you had a gun to your head and you're like, I want him on my team, I'm like, eh, okay. Like, I don't really know if he's any good anymore. Like, that's so crazy of a fall it has been for him.

I think he's like the fourth best receiver on the Jags now. And I barely noticed him this year. Yeah, I think it is probably Brian Thomas. For me, this season's, the next off season is going to be so interesting. Like the fart or shart for Brian Thomas is just going to be an incredible conversation. Even like talking about guys like McCaffrey or Sequin going into next year is going to be bizarre. I think D.K's right. I think the answer is probably Brian Thomas because.

Like he fucked you. He was like the 15th overall pick. Yes, he was 50. I have a spiritual answer that I would like to personally make the case for. And it's, it's Mr. Lamar Jackson, who was the QB 20 on the season? 20, 20, total. And points per game, it was 16. But it felt worse because it was like just basically night and day,

is black and white. And he missed the four games of injury. It felt like way more. After he came back from the injury, he was the QB 27 behind Cam Ward. He was behind Gino Smith, J.J. McCarthy, Kirk Cousins, Lamar. for the basically second half of the season, when you were depending on him, four of the eight games after the injury,

he came back, he scored seven points or less. And then in week 16, if you somehow were lucky enough to make it to the second round of your fantasy playoffs, he scores four points and gets hurt. And I just think,

if you had Lamar, he fucking ruined your life this year. He ruined it. I totally, actually, this is the answer. This is the real answer here. I think he is the least valuable player, especially relative to what he's done before.

and expectations for what he would do when he's on the field. And I think the spirit of the burn book, the spirit of this award is like, who pissed you off the most? I stopped thinking about Brian Thomas halfway through the year. Like I just stopped thinking about him. Lamar Jackson fucked you at the worst time of year. He,

you know, he abandoned you in your time of need. He was like got hurt and then he missed, you know, he was just so worthless for literally like almost the entire second half of the season. I look there's huge chunks of this raven's offense that have pissed me off over the years mark andrews absolutely just a note but one of the most annoying players it always felt like you could depend on at least lamar is going to deliver in fantasy because he's so good both as a pastor

and a runner but man he I'm perturbed at this team I just like the ravens right now when I think about the ravens I'm just like god fuck them they're so annoying fuck that whole team especially since Derek Henry bows me from the championships, like in three, three different leagues. He's never going to get over that. Never. Do you, can I throw out one other name for least valuable player? Sure. I think you could make a really strong case for Justin Jefferson.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, great call. He's probably worse than Brian Thomas, honestly. He's not going to stoke as much anger as Lamar because of a sympathy because people are like, yeah, imagine how we do it. Not really his fault. Having said that, right.

Here's the problem. Justin Jefferson didn't get hurt. at least Brian Thomas had the dignity to be out for months. And Lamar was out for months. You replaced him. You probably never played him again. So you're angry at Lamar. However, if you actually go with the least valuable player,

no one bench Justin Jefferson. And if you did, congratulations. But Justin Jefferson, the final two months, was not a top 60 wide receiver in fantasy football. Dude, he scored single digit points between week 10 and week 15. Six straight games of single digit points. Dude, do you, I mean this. This is not a joke.

After week 10, Justin Jefferson had fewer fantasy points than Isaac Tislaa. Who caught, like how many passes, six? Like six. Ryan Flournoy. Ryan Flournoy and the Cowboys was better than him. You would have been better off playing Isaac Teslaa and Ryan Flournoy. Justin was your first pick. And he played him every week.

It's a compelling case. I actually think it's Justin Jefferson. Every time we bring up somebody. He changed my mind. No, I think I agree with Hyphids. I think that he's the least valuable player. However, here's why. I kind of think it is Lamar in the sense that going into next year, people who had Lamar

will be way less likely to have Lamar again. People with Justin Jefferson will be talked into Justin Jefferson if there's any competition with J.J. McCarthy. I think what this season has done, even though it might not necessarily be valid, is it's put into question like Lamar's career weirdly. I think people have a different opinion about Lamar now. How is he going to age? Yes, Justin Jefferson. I think people still agree he's a top three wide receiver talent wise. Lamar, it's like should the Ravens blow it up? There was a report I think I by Mike Sando today. Maybe it was more just like rumors and talk that the ravens could even move on from

Lamar, which is why Baltimore Sun report that Lamar is is not kind of giving his all behind the scenes. He stays up late playing video games he's not like super engaging in meetings things like that yeah so i want a pencil there's there's at least enough smoke happening that i'm like man it'd be crazy if they did that i want a pencil and lamar jackson as a as a highfe's favorite by low for next year yeah i mean sure yeah i just want to no one brings up the video games he was probably doing all those things the last five years and was fucking awesome he just got hurt this year he got hurt and the raven's interior line sucked and he got sick again which i'm fucking tired of i'm sick and sick and tired of him being sick and tired.

He's had all the illnesses, so he can't get sick anymore. I think Lamar's the LVP. I think Lamar is the LVP. Shouts out to me who had him in two of my three weeks. I also think it's worth mentioning, just throwing out that, because I was looking at the quarterbacks who you drafted this year, and my point was going to be that man like all these guys like somewhat delivered for you. Jaden Daniels just murdered you this year.

Like he was so hurt and basically you didn't even think about him. The guys, those guys hurt because when you, take them, you're supposed to be excited about them. And the whole reason you take a quarterback high is in part, let's be honest, it's because it's fun to have a great quarterback in your team. Like if you took Josh Allen this year, you're thrilled every week to have Josh Allen. It's awesome. And then when you take a Lamar, Jane Daniels and then they suck and are hurt, you're like, man, like I don't even like fantasy football anymore. Yeah. The only reason why it's probably not Jaden is because he got hurt in week two. So he missed week three and four and then was kind of

in and out the rest of the season. You could have made other plans that, I mean, you could have added Trevor Lawrence in week three. Even Marioo. Yeah. Right. So I agree. I think it is Lamar Jackson, is the LVP. Congratulations, Lamar.

Please celebrate. Okay. The next category here that we are stealing from the rewatchables is what's aged the best on the season. Takes in narratives that have aged the best this year. Hyphids, do you want to start? Yeah, sure. You want my big winner or you want to? I got a lot.

Give us some of your favorites. My favorites, I think, honestly, the coaching hype cycle. I think we always look at hype to coaches, but Ben Johnson was as hyped a coach candidate. I would say since Josh McDaniels with the Broncos 15 years ago, delivered. Liam Cohen at the Jaguards, we heard so much about him, delivered. Mike Vrable, who I said was one of the best coaching candidates in years and delivered. And that hype cycle delivered in real life. And all those teams are going to make the playoffs win divisions.

And then fantasy too, like Travis E.T.N. DeAndre Swift, if you had believed in these guys and what they said they would do, then you basically would have done really well. Christian Watson's ACL recovery aged really well like the best one in 13 years I would say since Peterson the Cowboys trading for George Pickens sure

Vic aged really well well I don't know did it because they're missing the playoffs it was cool it was content he made them more fun it got people talking which is what Jerry's who cares about playoffs yeah yeah the I would say that what aged well is the Giants trading up for Jackson Dart

and the Saints taking Tyler Shuck oh sure age really well I mean And, you know, the Browns, the Steelers, the Cardinals, the Dolphins, all didn't take those guys. Yeah. And I think the Giants and Saints getting them worked that well. I would say other things that age well, I think Ben Johnson turning down the Washington job two years ago. Uh-huh.

Like, that looked really bad when Washington almost made the Super Bowl. And now you're like, okay, that might have been smart. However, I think, also I just think Joe Flacco aged well. Did you guys see the clip going around that somebody asked, did Joe Flacco freeze? And there was like a video. He's watching the screen. That was so funny. He's just sitting there like,

he's got one of the best quotes of the year that we'll get to later. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Can I give you my number one, what age the best though? And I don't think it's no offense to what you guys have. I think it's not even close. What's age the best? Okay.

The number one thing that aged the best in this season is that random Steelers fan, Seth Rorabaugh tweeted after the Buffalo beat the bills, the Steelers, the Buffalo beat the Steelers 26 to 7. They ran for like a record 230 yards against them. Yeah. With neither starting tackle, the bills ran for the most yards in the Steelers Stadium in 50 years. And then Seth Rorba tweeted,

Mike Tomlin is going to say something like, we can't eat soup with forks. We need spoons. Then the Steelers will sign a 2018 pro baller to the practice squad. And one day later, they signed Adam Thieler who was in fact a pro bowler in 2018. And Tomlin said some weird like maxim too. I don't remember exactly what it was.

He did. He was like awkward. He's got a lot of bangers. One came out today that Brooke Pryor, who's a great Steelers reporter, tweeted out. This is what Tomlin said today. And I was like, God, dude, this guy's just, where does he find these?

This is Mike Tomlin on not dwelling about frustration of not clinching the AFC North last week. This is what he said. My windshield is bigger than my rear view. Where does he get these? Do you think he has like a little calendar that just has pithy phrases? Is there like a ratatooie under his hat who like comes up with little phrases for him? There's such a funny Van diagram between things Mike Tomlin says to justify losses in the NFL and captions on Instagrams by Thirstraps by Instagram influencers and models.

like they kind of have the same energy Mike Tomlin should write the art that goes in Airbnb's that hangs on the wall Yeah yeah yeah he would crush those My windshield is bigger than my rear view It's like well maybe the rear view should be a little bit bigger Because you just lost the fucking Browns Okay maybe you should figure out why that happened

Think about it at least yeah He just like ran over a deer on the road And he's like well my windshield is bigger than my rear view Okay DK what do you have for what's age the best Um, I think hating on slash fading, Sean Payton players ended up being pretty good. The JK Dobbins, RJ Harvey split was a nightmare for most of the season for you. Um, you know, Cortland Sutton, I don't think I had anything against Coral and

Sutton. He was always going to be kind of the guy for them and he did fine. That's not like he won you, your league, but he was a fine player. But like if you look at Troy Franklin, Pat Bryant, Marvin Mims all played less than 60% of snaps. In fact, uh, Bryant and Mims played less than 50% of snaps. It was a rotation. They tried they got went and got little Jordan Humphrey, which almost gave a high fitz an aneurysm. Oh my God. So yeah, I think that in general is I'm just going to continue on that track. I mean, obviously, Bo Nakes to dwell this year in fantasy.

But I'm out on almost all Broncos skill players when I absolutely, unless they absolutely cannot be. The Travion Henderson small letter bullying aged well. I think his jersey is somewhat normal now. I haven't looked at it lately. but I think it's back to sort of normal. They did a bunch of features on this. People were all tweeting at us the other day because they did like this whole featureette.

I think the uniform. Did we cause that? Do you think we cause that? I think we're part of it. Well, it's funny. They were like, look, there's two players on the Patriots who wear this. It's Stefan Diggs and Trevon Henderson. And what they left out is, yeah, because they're really small.

Yeah. Um, the other thing that I think aged well is being a hate and ass hater about Scott Hanson. Craig, welcome. welcome welcome welcome to the dark side my friend or the light side depending on how you look at it and we head to los vegas where jackson dart is is darting his way to the number one pick all right feels good to be not on that island anymore with austin it was just austin and i but now we're getting some people they're joining it's a grassroots movement yeah here here's what i have for what's age the best this year the jaden daniels washington command

Regression prediction? Oh, my God. I mean, my goodness, Jaden Daniels heard all year. The commanders win four games. They have the seventh pick in the draft. It looks like. Dude, I was looking at some offseason grades from the offseason.

And the commanders were like up there in terms of like people thought that was like a great off season for them. My God. Well, you know what's funny? It was a great off season for them because they traded for left tackle. They drafted a tackle. They did the right things.

They just relied on all these old guys. They'd signed the previous offseason. and they were all healthy last year, and then this year they all got hurt. Yeah. I also have the, the Sequin regression narrative after all of his touches,

all that stuff, kind of, not that it was his fault, but just. Hyphitz is like, I've been saying it for 10 damn years. That aged well. I would say us questioning if Marvin Harrison Jr. is actually good,

aged quite well. I also had the new coaching hires with Hyphitz. I also have the narrative, well, the Bears fix their offensive. line in the off season. That actually aged pretty well. Usually that's the biggest red herring, but not this time. Team signs literally any offensive lineman and everyone's like, well, the Bears fixed their offensive line. This is the new Adrian Peterson tour as ACL and then came back and had his best season ever. Now everyone's going to be like, hey, they signed the line. Remember

when the bears signed all those linemen? And it's not going to work again for 10 years. The only other ones I had were the first picks, the first three picks of the 2024 NFL draft. I guess I was and Jane, but Caleb and Drake May, aged very well. Jerry Jones, trading away Michael Parsons before he tore his ACL. What did he know? That aged really well. That aged really well. And then I want to, I want to toot our own horns. I was looking at our predictions over the offseason in the summer in August. Dude, we had a, we did an episode in August, our do not draft list. Hot damn, let me read the guys that we recommended you not draft this year. Baker Mayfield, D.K. Metcalfe, Caleb Johnson, Terry McLaren, Mark Andrews, Kenneth Walker, David Montgomery,

Joe Mixin, and Chris Olavé, who ended up being all right. But we literally went like nine for 10 on that way. And we rectified it with weird crystal lava as a bilocated immediately. So that one, I will say the, yeah, do you guys ever seen Super Troopers where he's like, how's your aim this, how's your aim this morning for any or whatever? And he's like, there's like a one in like the neck of the whatever. And he's like, that little guy, don't worry about that little guy. That's, that's Lave here. I will say in my defense, that was me. And it was more just about it was about the concussions. You have to say that everyone would have assumed it was me. It was about the concussions. I was worried about him playing. Well, no, our thing was a lot of he's not fun to watch, which remains true,

because he gets hit. But he was great. He was. I will say, though, this list, I, I think we're as good as anyone is admitting when we're wrong, which is a lot. I have to say, though, I did pull this up and I look at my notes right now from Caleb Johnson. And I actually did write down, I just don't think this guy's going to play. which will make it tough. Arthur Smith, baby. Frickin Kenneth Gainwell, Gainwell, one of the more, like,

valuable pickups late in the year. Caleb Johnson had 69 rushing yards this year. And one fumble in a kick return. Let's move. So wait, do we want to give a winner? You want to do it. It's got to be Seth Rorbaugh's tweet, right?

It's the, it's the tweet. Literally, the fact that he predicted that signing a 2018 pro bowler and. It's unbelievable. Can we get this guy to help us with some of our Ringer 107 stuff? Dude, that guy, that guy's got to be there. We're not first anymore. All right, let's move on to what's age the worst.

D.K., we'll start with you. What do you have for what's age the worst? Us defending the tush push over the off season and saying we want it. I'm saying, man up. You're being a pussy if you vote against this. Yeah. Right. That's so great.

Why are you doing? I don't think anything. No one turned on anything as much as the tush push this off the season. It's boring to watch. It's annoying to watch. They can't, they can't officiate it. correctly, it's going to get outlawed this year. Once we once the false start thing was exposed, I think that was the nail on the coffin that caused everybody to flip on the push push.

That was the now the tuxedo seem fucked up moment. It's like, all right, now they're actually cheating because they're just false starting every fucking play. What else is age of the worst? The jags trading two firsts and change for a guy who's just okay at corner and wide receiver slash, aka expensive Wondale Robinson. That sounded, that felt like a very very, mean thing to say at the beginning of the year about Hunter. But now I'm like, Wondale had a thousand yards. Wanda Robinson, the shortest receiver to ever have 1,000 yards. Wondell Robinson might be kind of good.

I mean, now I'm like the Jags traded up to get Travis Hunter when all they needed was to send a fourth round pick for Jacoby Myers. Seriously. I got to tell you as the probably little number two biggest Travis Hunter fan after Deion Sanders in America. I got to tell you, going into next year, it is absolutely insane to think that the Jaguars offense when they have a three receivers on the field

have to pay Jacoby Myers. Like they paid him, he's going to start. They have to play Brian Thomas. And the fact that they would take Parker Washington off the field is ridiculous. Like Travis Hunter is the fourth receiver on that team. They're going to take Parker Washington off the field for Travis Hunter and it might make them worse.

It will. And it's like, just play him a cornerback. And then like if someone gets hurt, then moving to receiver. Like that's the right move. Um, I mean, obviously it's great that the Jags are doing so well this year because the first rounder that they have to give up next year is not very high. So that's good. Let's see.

A couple of other things that aged poorly worrying about Matt Stafford. Thank God. The Falcons made the playoffs too because the big they're going to give the Rams is we'll get to that. I feel like that's the only reason why they're still trying so hard right now. Well, they had to beat the Rams. They were like, yeah, it's all they were playing all their starters. Age the worst.

Worrying about Matt Stafford going into the silver airstream parked outside the practice facility. Turns out he's fine. It made me feel better on Monday night football where they were like every now and then the little pregame production meetings they do have insight. They were like Matt Stafford admitted to me, Trey Ackman was like, he was like, if you told me I'd feel this good at this point in the season, he's like, I would never believe you. I'm like, okay, that makes me feel better. Um, thinking me, myself, thinking Pete Carroll would make the Raiders better has aged horrifically poorly. The hit piece on Caleb Williams claiming he had dyslexia, who that did not age well. Choosing, this is kind of related to that, choosing J.J. McCarthy over Caleb Williams after week one when Craig asked me who I'd rather have.

I need to stick to my guns, Craig. Don't let me fucking waffle. All right, all right. The Colts trading two future ones, then promptly imploding worse than almost any team we've ever seen. Sauce Gardner went one and seven on two different teams. Dude, brutal. This one's a small one,

but that two-week period when we thought the Cowboys were actually kind of good, did not age well. Those are all good. Hi, Fitz, what are you? I think those are all really good. I think that we have to, I mean, Anthony Richardson excitement in this, like, any thoughts of Anthony Richardson doing anything in the NFL, is age very poorly. Ravens being Super Bowl favorites. Man. I top tier though, right with that article

about Caleb Williams being unworkable is I think the idea that Tom Brady's pre-production meetings with teams was giving the Raiders an unfair advantage. Oh yeah. That's a good one. I don't actually callback. I forgot about that. I don't think anything has aged worse than that. If you said that now, it would be the dumbest thing you could possibly say if I'd say if that idea was just people would be like actually let them do that. They need it. They need all the hell they can get. However, I don't know if anything's actually aged worse other than that, then, I mean, the Vikings taking J.G.C. McCarthy over Bo Nix is something we're going to have to start talking about. Bo Nix, the third most touchdown passes through two seasons of any quarterback ever. That's a good one. That's a really good one.

And sorry, lastly here, JJ McCarthy's alter ego. Nine. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That one, you should have just kept that one in the holster. When nine comes out. when nine comes out save that for like year four yeah you need to wait on the nickname it can't come too quick um those are all really good i have um a bunch of the ones you guys have the falcons trade the jags

trading up for travis for Travis hunter the tyler dunn article taking ashton genties six overall in real life and in fantasy drafts brutal pretty brutal um and then i i think unc's opening drive against tc u to score touchdown to go up seven zero if in that moment, what you would have predicted for the Bill Belichick Tarheels after that did not age great. So do you think, do you think is the real answer here, what age the worst is just Bill Belichick? Bill Belichick's legacy, Bill Belichick's body. Actually, he's probably going. He's probably actually doing well body-wise right now. Well, he's doing great body-wise. For guys his age, he's doing fine. His body, his body's, it's the best it's been in years. Probably. I think

Belichick is on the short list for loser in the year. But we'll get to that. Um, I, I think it's gotta be, I think there's a couple. I think D.K. taking J.J. McCarthy over Caleb is a leading candidate. I think, that is like the classic example of recency bias. I was idiot. I love making D.K. commit to shit. Damn it after week. I think the, the hit piece on Caleb being dyslexic and basically being unfixable. It was more than that. It was that Caleb Williams is a diva first NIL generation like unworkable diva superstar. like and like you can't his shit doesn't smell he'll never be a guy.

Is there a chance though that all that was like kind of true but Ben Johnson just sent him to fucking boot camp and it fixed him? I think there was shades of truth in all of that stuff. I don't know about the dyslexia thing obviously, but like in terms of how horribly everything went year one and how we can't just say it was all the coaching's like fault. It was clearly partly on Caleb Williams himself too. I think all that is true but also yeah. It just did not age poor

Did not age well The dyslexia thing isn't the point Like to be clear it wasn't Even the coaches And again to be clear It was like 30 anonymous coaches All talking about Or you know

Guys who had been fired From the Bears because of Caleb And acts the grind But it was a lot It was an unusually large amount of people talking about the guy And even that one That wasn't about Caleb

That was about the GM Allegedly not telling the coaches That Caleb had been diagnosed The coaches didn't give a shit About if Caleb did or did not They were like if he did Just tell us So we'll fucking teach him differently

Which is actually that's the only thing I think it totally made sense. I think, and again, it's ridiculous to kind of like put that stuff out there without confirming it. But I think the thing about that that I'm like embarrassed in retrospect is, yeah, I do think that like, especially the way that Matt Abrambleuze and the Cowboys defense went this year, like, yeah, they clearly had no idea what to do with Caleb. Like they couldn't help him. And it's so obviously that, like they did, they failed him.

I think that's clear. Do you think it kind of aged well that in retrospect now that Ryan Poles was like, actively not showing his scouts tape of other players in the draft playing well because he wanted Caleb so bad. I'm kind of like maybe baldower. I don't know. The Drake, well, if the other points Drake may know, it was probably a mistake. Probably should have had a conversation. Yeah, the MVP. Yeah. Um, okay. I think that, I think all, everything kind of around Caleb probably has eight stories. Um, okay. Let's get to the Dion, the Dion Waders Award, another rewatcherables category that we're stealing. Uh,

For the purposes of this show, the D& Waiters Award is the best waiver wire pickup of the season. Yeah. I think there is a consensus answer. I do want to ask, I think we think it's probably Michael Wilson, the Cardinals ride receiver, who took over Arizona for the last half of the season, right? Would we say that? I think Michael Wilson's the best waiver wire pickup in years. One of the best of all time.

Expound on that. It's simple. There have been better players because there's been running backs to go in campaigns. but what Michael Wilson did never happens. Like there are quarterbacks. Like Trevor Lawrence was awesome. To your point, like if Trevor Lawrence was available in your league,

you could argue it's Trevor Lawrence because as Craig said, he had like the most points ever in the playoffs. So if Trevor Lawrence was cut and added in your league, sure. That's fine. Yeah, yeah. He was the only one I wanted to point out because I don't even know if he had to be cut than added.

He was the QB 20 in drafts. He was probably not drafted. Maybe he wasn't. And that's fair. I think the reason I would pick Michael Wilson is what happens with him never happens. There are quarterbacks that are good that you pick up all the time.

There are running backs. that someone gets hurt and someone has like an incredible season. And that happens all the time with like, not all the time, but every season or two, there's a great running back. Tight ends happens. Michael Wilson after week 11, the top receivers in all fantasy football was number one was Bukkahua after week 11. Number two is Jackson Smith and Jigba.

And then one yard behind Jackson Smith and Jigba. So tied for second place was Michael Wilson. For the final two months of the season, you added a receiver off waivers. that was better than every receiver in fantasy football except for Puka Nakua. And honestly, he tied Jackson Smith and Jigba. He was 0.1 points behind in Jigba,

so they had tied. You added Jackson Smith and Jigba of waivers. That is what you got with Michael Wilson. That's like never happened. This is not the point of this show, but man, I can't wait to figure out what the fuck we're going to talk about Michael Wilson next year.

I'm telling you, that next year's going to be fucking the wild, wild blasts. Where do you rank him? Yeah. It was a perfect confluence of like, the Cardinals were the most intro team in the NFL this year quietly,

and then they had no running, game and so they had to throw and they were losing everything because the defense sucks. So Jacoby Reset set the wreck. I think did he have the most completions in a four week stretch and he had the most completions in a game ever 49? Yeah. Yeah. Like 160 completions in a four week span. So there's the PPR of it. Michael. But Michael Wilson was getting 180 yards apart. I think it has to be Michael Wilson. I have a question. This is going to sound really, really obvious. But I don't know for sure if it's actually going to happen or not. Maybe this is just people who just hang on hanging on to like pre draft stuff. But like,

Is Michael Wilson for sure going to be ranked ahead of Marvin Harrison next year? I think he has to be, but I don't know how I would take him because the Cardinals' offense is going to be weird. I don't know how you could watch the season and think of Marvin Harrison Jr. as anything other than like a cheeky by-low. But just also, sorry, just to expand the point here at Michael Wilson, that list you mentioned earlier for the MVP thing, this Yahoo list of the players most commonly found in championship winning teams, number one's Bijon 27%, number two is McAfre, 26%. Pook is third, 24. Michael Wilson is fifth and 23%. I mean, I think that's solidifying as soon as the best pickup. Yeah. He is the Dionne Writers.

I would say honorable mentions are guys who had hot stretches, but it didn't sustain. Rico Dowdell for a while there was a, was a sensation. My boy, Rico. Woody Marks had a productive year. Kenneth Gainwell was really good despite not being drafted. I'm going to throw out guys like Kyle Minungai. Jackson Dart had six games scoring over 20 points this year. He was incredible for stretches.

Harold Fanon Jr. was the tight end five on the year. He was kind of like a tight end savior at the end of the year there. Yes. Guys were getting hurt. And he was completely not drafted. Parker Washington was really good overstretches. And then this guy might not qualify because he was probably drafted, but there's a chance that Giovante Williams was not drafted and was added immediately in week one and was fucking great.

High Fitz got him in the last round. Yes. So he's close, I think. But I, and then Trevor Lawrence, like I said, but I do think it has to be Michael Wilson. Yeah. Yeah. Agreed. What a bizarre year that's been.

Okay, the next award here is the biggest leap award. The player that made the biggest leap from last year to this year. Who did you guys have? Hyphids, who did you have? I think in real life, and in fantasy, it has to be Drake May. I mean, Drake May might win the MVP this year. Drake May might get the number one seed in the AFC. And Drake May was, where did he finish among quarterbacks this season?

Three? Two? Top two, top three? I mean, for all the hyperbole, all we talked about was Drake May, like, sleeper, sleeper. He was probably the number one most popular sleeper in all fantasy this year. and he shattered it. That I think it has to be. That's got to be the right answer.

Do you guys remember after week one? And we were asking each other if Drake May was any good. We lost to the Raiders. Drake May had a horrific week one. He was missing everything. And, you know, talking to some of the Patriots beat, it was like the word was he basically was really, really inconsistent in preseason and training camp.

They weren't really quite sure what to make of them. So the fact that he came back and had this MVP season, you know, I think that's the obvious. answer. I think that is the correct answer. Drake made made an absolutely huge relief. The only other guy I would throw out there is JSA. I know that he had over a thousand yards last year, but it just felt like he did a quantum leap in terms of like what he was doing week in and week out, like the ways that he was winning, what he was doing, not just from a statistical point of view, but just very, very impressive route runner hands, catch and run, you know,

combat catches, everything that he was doing. I was just like, man, this guy is, he's made an absolute huge leap. Yes, this is a very tricky category because I think there are a lot of qualified candidates. I think you're right. I mean, if you factor in real life, I guess, I mean, even on fantasy alone, but Drake Mae is probably going to win the MVP, him going from what he was last year to winning the MVP and being maybe the one seat in the AFCs incredible. Yeah. JSN, though, coming out of nowhere to be a top five receiver in the NFL is so close. And then I would also probably just toss in as the bronze medalist. I mean, Caleb Williams going from maybe one of the worst busts in a long time at the first overall pick to just like a guy that we think could

like realistically win multiple Super Bowls. I don't think that's even close because Caleb. I agree. We, I don't think he was one of the is going to win the MVP. Yeah, I just, as bad as Caleb was last year, I think it was obvious like they fired the entire staff. Like plenty of rookies have bad years. If Caleb had it a bad second year, it would be one thing, but.

You could make the case for Drake though, too, right? I mean, a lot of people were like, oh, if you actually watch Drake last year, he's really good. Like, don't worry. He is really good in that, and that was correct. he didn't go from disaster to great. He went from, man, we think under the hood, everything looks really good to we were correct. The difference to me is just Caleb's going to win.

Drake May probably ends up as the MVP, and Ben Johnson said in November that we're winning to spider passing game. Yeah, no, I agree. But that's why I think he's a bronze medalist or maybe a little bit below that, but it's got to be Drake May. Congrats to Bill.

Okay. I got a... Patriots fans really deserve. You know what's so over is the five-year reprieve we had from just Patriots dominance. Yeah, that was fun. That was great. From 22,000 to 2040, we got five years off. If you could pick a team right now to just buy stock in for the next 10 years, are the Patriots number one?

I think they have to be, and I would say for this simple reason. Things come and go. Mike Rable is the, I think the best coach of the NFL is not going anywhere. And Josh McDaniels, who is the coordinator and key to it, the Patriots have what the cheese. had in that. The chiefs had this weird infrastructure where Andy reads the coach and play caller, so they're not going to lose the offense. Steve Spagnola was still old that no one hired him and run the defense.

Patriots have that too, because no one's going to hire Josh McDaniels to be the head coach, so they're going to keep him. And so that's why I think I would pick the Patriots. You have Rabel, Drake and Josh McDaniels, and they're not going to lose any of those guys. I'm looking at the other teams, Craig. I don't know if you can make an argument for any other team right now. That's wild. There's so many question marks with a lot of these teams.

What about this? What if I pose it this way? Who do you think if you had to bet who wins the most Super Bowls over the next 10 years? Is it still New England? No. Or are you going to take the Chiefs? I would take. I hate to say this.

You said 20 years? 10. I actually would take the Patriots just because I believe so much in Mike Rable and the coaching staff there and Drake May. D.K., would you take the Patriots to win more Super Bowls than the Homes over the next 10 years? Probably not. I don't think I would either. No. You're betting on the Chiefs?

I got to tell you, guys, I'm close. Your lack of faith in the chiefs is going to age very poorly. I think. Is it? I mean, so, but here's the thing. Can I counter this? You're saying Mahomes is Michael Jordan. Because the idea that he's going to win three more, they're like, okay, like,

they're going to come back and be healthy. Because I think the flip side is like, how, sorry, how old is Andy Reed? Like, I'm just saying Andy Reid's 67. So if you don't think he's going to win next year with Mahomes' cover with the ACL, Andy means 68, how much longer is this going to happen? I don't know. 10 more years. Kansas City was 12th in DVOA this year.

I mean, I would say Patrick Mahomes is closer to being the Michael Jordan of football than he is to not. I mean, he's one. It's not like a weird thing to say. He's been to five Super Bowls and he's 30. Tom Brady had like three separate versions of his career. Yeah. I am not discounting Mahomes. I have questions.

It's still a team game. Well, this is a nice segue into this next category. which is something that we are bringing in for the first time. This is the it's so over of the year. So this is now that we're at the end of the season, which player fits the it's so over category the most? Here are some nominees I'll throw at you. Tua.

Justin Fields. I think you could stop to count. Holy cow. It's over. Tua, Justin Fields, Kyler Murray are my personal three candidates. So I'm going to step. We had something called stat of the year later in this or half-ass internet research and not my favorite,

but I have to mention that for Justin Fields, because as if it's not amazing enough to four different games, you didn't hit 55 passing yards. Through the first nine games of those seasons, Blake Horvath, the quarterback at Navy, had more passing yards than Justin Fields than those nine starts this season. Classic.

I think it's Tua. Yeah, I think it's Tua as well. It is so over. I don't, I don't, I don't feel like I think Kyler Murray there's still probably someone that believes in him and try and make him a starter again. I don't think anyone's going to want to take on the Tua thing at this point. But the irony is, but then he's so back because he'll have to play for the dolphins.

Like, are the dolphins? I mean, we talked about this. We don't have to go on all the cap stuff because. Yeah, but we're not going to, we're not going to. He's not going to be the long term starter. Oh my God. I just figured out who two is going to play for. Don't tell me.

Guess. I just figured it out. Team that won't have better options. Cardinals. Raiders. Don't, no wait. Who's it going to be? Jets.

Yes. No. They're going to cut them. The dolphins are going to cut them. The dolphins are going to cut them and the Jets's one of a better option. Because if the Jets don't get for Namedaenza, we'll see what quarterbacks come out. But if none of the other quarterbacks come out,

who's good, who are the, if they only have to pay them a million dollars, who are they going to have better than Tua? The Jets getting Tua is like Thanos putting on the final ring, but in the worst case scenario of like, And it all falls apart. This has the potential to go as badly as anything's ever gone. Any of the, Kyle, Tua, it's the ultimate jet. The only other person I'd say for so over is, should we have the chiefs to wrap up what

we were just saying? I mean, the chiefs as we know them are so over. Like, when you close your mind, you think of the chiefs, this era, sorry to Taylor Swift it, but like, it's the first half of it's like the Tyree kill chiefs, like, fuck it, Tyreek down there somewhere. Kelsey, it's amazing. But then they still morphed into this like, okay, it's not as exciting anymore. but the dink and dunk, they're in the Super Bowl every year.

Anytime Kelsey catches the ball, they cut to Taylor Swift. And it's like, this is something I hate to say. It's as memorable and indelible an image of any team we've seen with our eye and I so far. I think they're more, way more memorable than any of these Patriots teams, like this era of the Chiefs, because of Taylor Swift, because of the star power, because of Kelsey, because of Mooms. It's so over. Kelsey's going to retire. Taylor's just not going to be these games anymore.

The way we remember the Chiefs, when Mahomes comes back, it's going to be. be like Bahams and Marquis Brown and Noah Gray? Like it's not, it's not the same. I agree that that this era or this chapter, whatever you want to call it, of the Chiefs is over. Travis's version. Hyvids, did you watch the Taylor Swift Erez Tour

six part documentary on Disney Plus? I watched the Erez tour when they put on Disney Plus like a year ago. I have not watched the six partner. Although I did see, shout up Michael Jr. who noted that the pianist for Taylor Swift's tour, person who plays the piano is like someone named Michelle DePiano.

I was like, what? Nominative determinism. It was, wait, I got to look it up. She was born in the piano? Her name is Carina de Piano. She's from the piano. She's married to end policy. Of piano, yeah.

Carina de Piano plays piano. Everyone's like Taylor Swift business experts. She's looking at the resume. She's like, I'll take, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. I watched half of it. it's it's i learned nothing about her it's incredibly manicured and it's a decent and it's a decent but you're gonna say it was garbage but okay no no it's like you're you're entertained the entire time but it's it's so crafted by her someone described it to me as in the middle of itch they realized

wow we need to be filming this is how it was described to me yeah i i feel like they're filming it the entire time but taylor swift isn't is ahead of all that stuff okay well i don't know I didn't see it. I think it's fine. It's too. It's fine. It's too. He is the most over.

You know, I was going over some of the old docs in preparation for this show. And it's a Tua state solution when Tua is talking about fucking going to play in Jerusalem of all. I had that for quote of the year. I had that for quote of the year. That was a comment. Yeah. They're like,

you could play anywhere. And he's like, I would love to play in Jerusalem. And there's a pause. And someone just commented to a state solution. Yeah. Jesus. Okay, this inevitably brings us to the We're So Back of the Year.

Christian McCaffrey? Yes, big time. I mean, Jesus. Yeah. Sean Payton? His backlash. The people was pretty backlash. Made the playoffs with a third of the team in Deadcap.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Patriots? Yeah. Fucking. Unfortunately, yes. I was that Shane Batty game, the quote? Contrary to reports of my demise are greatly exact. Yeah, the fuck.

fucking Patriots. Oh, reports of my demise are greatly exaggerated. That was Mark Twain. Who did you say it was? Shane Baddey. It's a famous, it's, I don't know, it's a famous meme. He said it when they he won the finals. That's like saying, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

Michael Scott. Michael Scott. Is Michael Scott Wayne Grezman? Yeah, yeah. Do you have any other nominees here? Yes. Okay. I'd rather rename the award it to this person.

So back of the year. is Kyle Pitts. I mean, fuck, we are really back with Kyle Pitts. I'm 100% falling forward.

He's the number two tight end in fantasy. But you just spent, you just spent five minutes talking about how every other tight end is irrelevant and tied in two

might as well be tied end 20. It doesn't fucking matter. He was the number one tight end in December. What if he's on the chiefs, Craig? He had more fantasy points

in a game this year than Kelsey or Grankowski or Tony Gonzalez ever did. Wait, is he a free agent? He had one, he had one good game this entire season.

It was, that's not. Not true. He was the number one tight end from week 13 on. As soon as I started fucking complaining about him, he was incredible. No, he was not incredible. Look at his stats. He had, here's the last half of his season. Five. No, don't look at the last half. Look at the last five weeks because he's, I think he's better than Trey McBride. Here are the last five weeks. 11, 12, 40, 15, and two. He was fucking fine except for 40. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. You and D.K.

had intrusion. You kept saying, I think Carl Pitts is good. And I was like, no, I saw him. I dropped one pass too many and I'm like, I'm out. And then you guys are like, he's good. I'm hitting here being like, yeah, he's the number two on the season. He's back. And you're like, no. I, Deacon, what do you think? I feel crazy. I think he's so back. I don't think he's so back. I think he is not more back than bilateral Achilles tendonitis Christian McCaffrey, setting a touch record for his, a personal career high and touches being the RB1 of fantasy or the New England Patriots going from one of the worst teams the last five years to basically just being Tom Brady Patriots again. I think those guys are way more back than Kyle Pitts having like

how many yards did Kyle Pitts have this? Craig, but you're not thinking about it. You're not thinking about the show lore. I couldn't disagree more. Yeah, Craig. Here's the thing. I agree with Craig though. Like literally McCaffrey's way more. No, but he's more back. No, but like the Patriots? I McAfri. All right, fine, the Patriots I get. McCaffrey. After all that, do you know where he was drafted this year? Like seventh. Do you know where Kyle Pitts was drafted this year? Like 140th.

He didn't have a career high in yards this year. He was like 12th round pit. All right, fine, it's this simple. Where is Kyle Pitts? If the Falcons franchise tag him, where you rank in Kyle Pitts among tight ends next year? Like ninth. DK?

Eighth or nine. Probably like, I don't know, fifth or something. Fourth? Fourth? McBride. McBride, Bowers, Kittle. And he's going to be Pitt. If he did not have that one game, he would probably be...

He did, though, Craig. But he did. He had it. That's some shit that when I say it, you lose your mind. I just... But if he didn't have the best game of Titans ever had... I'm sitting here right in the middle playing devil's advocate because I agree with Craig that he's not as back as these other guys, but he is back.

Can I throw out another guy though? I actually think, do think she win this award. For the bit of the show, he's back. That's what I'm saying. We actually need to give the award out. It is obviously the Patriots. Can I... For so back, yes, can I throw out one other candidate for we're so back, it's so over?

Because the original pitch we had when we did this award was it's about the combination of it's so over. We're so back. It's so over. We're so back. Like Trivianne Henderson, it's so over. We're so back. The actual person who captured both of these this year is Jalen Hertz. Because Jalen Hertz won Super Bowl MVP and it was the most back, anyone's been back.

and then the Eagles fans were obnoxious and they were like, how dare you also mentioned that we have the most talented roster we've ever seen without saying how dare you? How dare you not say Jalen Hertz is a top eight quarterback?

How dare you? And then we like got bullied. And then Jalen and then within 10 months later, Jalen Hertz is turning the ball over twice at one play and Eagles fans are openly yelling for Tanner McKee at halftime. In after like on Black Friday, Eagles fans are.

screaming for Tanner McKee in the stands, 10 months after he won Super Bowl MVP for their fucking team. I would argue going back to Jalen Hertz in college between like him being the first freshman to play for Dick Sabin, being benched, two of replacing him, coming back in, beating Georgia. I would argue Jalen Hertz is the most, It's So Over, We're So Back player,

in the history of fucking modern football. No one has been over and back more than Jalen Hertz. I like this. I almost think this needs to be the It's So Over of the Year. which is two up. The we're so back of the year, which we're still arguing, Patriots,

and then the, it's so over and we're so back of the year is Jalen Hurth. Yes. Or the Steelers. Or it's the fucking Steelers. It's Mike Tomlin. It's Mike Tomlin and Jalen Hurts fighting it out.

Literally it was like a weekly thing. Craig is either completely in, Rogers is the God. He's making every throw to, God, I fucking hate this team. They suck. Let's fire Tomlin. And to be honest with you,

like every single one, was not performing it. I know. It was like, every week naturally. It was genuine. I should say one more button on Kyle Pitts. This is just hilarious. So this is now, Kyle Pitts is a one, three, four, fifth season in the NFL. See, a rookie year, one touchdown. Next year two.

Year three, he had three. Year four, he had four. And this year, guess how many touchdowns he has? Five, five. Five. Unbelievable. I have a wild guess for next year. He's going to get franchised and he'll be back. He's going back to. You know what?

Kirk Cousin is going to be throwing him passes, and he's going to be a top five tight end. Let's tag him, I imagine, right? Yeah, they'll tag him. Yeah, they're going to tag him. Now for a special segment of today's episode, Smarter Moos, presented by Chime, here to help you bank Smarter this season.

Chime's got smarter moves for your money, and we've got smarter moves in your league. So, boys, I wanted to do another award here, presented by Chime. And I wanted to ask you, smarter moves for next season, And basically, who is the guy that next year you had such fun watching this player and having him on your team that you're like, I have to have this guy next year, even if I frankly have

to like pay an irrational amount. For me, it's Jackson Smith and Jigba who I just, I know it's DKCL Seahawks, but I kind of just kind of randomly drafted him this year thinking, ah, screw it. I'll throw a dart at JSN and see if that works out. and my goodness, I fell in love with this man. There's something so comforting about a team whose entire game plan is just centered around getting this one player of the ball.

Like the Seahawks can only operate if J.S.N. has 10 catches in a game. And there's just something so comforting about that. It's like the opposite of, you watch like James and Williams or something on the Lions and it's like, the Lions could put up 40 and James and Williams could have zero catches and it might work out with his game plan dependent.

Like JSN is the son for Seattle. And I just love watching that every week. And he's he's so, he's so great. Yeah, the first guy that came to my mind also was JASN. If I'm going to do someone else, I do feel like this is a little bit like playing whackamol because the Patriots are going to have so much harder schedule next year. But I just, I didn't have any Drake May this year.

And I'm, I have so much FOMO from not being a part of that whole thing. Just watching him like run around, score rushing touchdowns, hit big plays. I just, I'm going to do everything I can to get as much Drake May as I can next year. It's probably going to go horribly. but you know that's that's like what I did with jane daniels this year and didn't go great but i just absolutely love drake me i hate to say it about a patriot but i think you're right um i think the guy for me and i just decided this and i'm being a prisoner of the moment i don't care it's darryk henry hell yeah and let me tell you something everyone's going to talk about how he's 32

and the ravens looked bad last year and what's going to happen i don't care uh the classic hyfitz thing actually i don't care we should do that actually the opposite i don't care the tommy lee Jones, I don't care. Oh my God, the fugitive. He's like, I didn't kill my wife. He said, I don't care. That's actually great. We should do it.

I don't care episode. It's, we read stats to one another and then I just go, I don't care. He's going to be the oldest running back in NFL history. I don't care. No, but I really. Derek Henry, I, you know what? At some point, just like stop worrying and learn to love the indestructible running back who gets better as everyone else gets worse.

and healthier as everyone else gets injured. I want not to brag, but I won this Dynasty League that I'm in with you guys, and D.K. and your friends and shout at Nate Tice and Sean, you and all these people. And I won. And I won it. The margin is almost exactly just what Derek Henry scored. I know. I looked that up last night, Highfitz. I got second in the league.

So just watching Derek Henry not only run roughshod over my winnings, I had to lose those winnings to Highfitz. It was a dark, dark moment for me. it was tough. And then I lost by 36. I think Derek Henry scored 41 or something like that. Yes, 45. See, D.K., that's why the key is to be nestled in mediocrity like myself.

I'm, I'm the Atlanta Falcons. I'm just playing a different sport than you guys. We didn't talk with us in the Sunday show. My favorite part of the Derek Henry Packers game was actually not with the Derek Henry running. It was the last carry at like 192 yards. And they, it was like third down. And they just decided, you know what, instead of kneeling the ball that win the game, We're just going to give him one more play.

And they called the, someone called the timeout. And they cut the camera to the sideline. And it's Lamar Jackson, who's out and DeAndre Hopkins. And they're just sitting there laughing and pointing. And like the play calls in. And they're just just sitting there like, dude, he's going to get it. And like, you can read their lips and they're like, he's going to get it. He's going to.

And then they just do the toss and Derek Henry runs for 40-yard touchdown. And they cut back to Duke Hopkins and Lamar that's freaking out. And I'm like, they're like incredible players, MVP. DeAndre Jondra Hopkins is like the most receiving yards. And they're just sitting here like, they can't believe they get to watch Derek Henry to be teammates with him. I want him on my team next year. I don't care.

I do love Derek Henry. You know how there's like haptics on your phone when you can send like a text that does like a shake or like lasers and like your phone like vibrates? That's what it feels like every time Derek Henry runs. It feels like the world is shaking a little bit. Like an amber alert. It's like, God damn it. Every time he touched the football in that game, I was just like, oh, God, don't just fucking tackle him.

Why is it so hard? I mean, I know why it's hard, but. Yeah. That was brutal. All right. That's it for this week's edition of smarter moves. But remember, if you want to make your smartest move yet, switch to CHIM. Chime is a financial technology company, not a bank. Banking services provided by the Bank Corps Bank, NA or Stride Bank, NA, members, FDIC, learn more at chime.com.

Okay. The next category here is the Ruffalo-Hanna-Rubeneck Partridge overacting award for our purposes. That is, who is fools gold? Who had the crazy over-the-top plays this year, but isn't actually good? Hold on, Craig. For the rewatchables, when you get to this category, you play a montage. Can you just do your impression of those people? I was actually going to ask.

Yes. They knew! First, wait, I want to ask you guys, I'll Venmo either of you, $10 right now. If you can tell me which four movies these characters are in. Well, spotlight's the first one, right? Correct. Mark Ruffalo. They knew. And also, some of these are true.

tricky because Ruffalo is the name of the actor, but Hannah is the name of the character. Hannah is the heat when he's like, give me all your got, isn't it? Correct. Give me all your got, which actually is insane. Vincent Hanna played by Alpuccino, you're two for two. I don't know the other ones. Rubeneck, what's that? Rubeneck is Saul Rubeneck, which is a character in true romance.

Oh. And he goes, you stab me in the heart. I treated you like a son. I know that. You stab me in heart. And then, do you know, Partridge? know what that is? A bird. It's Linda Partridge from the movie Magnolia,

played by Julianne Moore. And she goes, don't you call me lady? I come in here to you. Craig, do you have any, do you have any, as long as we're talking about this, do you have any other movie, like very famous lines that you're just like, that was too much, that you would add to this list? There's, I do remember, have you seen the movie Cape Fear? It's a Scorsese movie. very long time ago.

There's a Nick Nolte, Jessica Lang's scene that is just out of control. That I would, that would have been my fifth nomination. You know what I, you know what I've always thought for some reason is, and I think it was in the dark night. It was the one with Bain. What, what, which version of, Dark Night Rises? Dark Night Rises. And it was the guy who played Littlefinger.

I don't remember the actor's name. And he's like in the plane. And he's like yelling the whole scene. I was like, what is this guy's deal? Is he supposed to be a good actor? I thought he was a good actor. He's like. what it like I can't remember all these lines but he was just like yelling the whole time I was like this acting is really weird

Christopher Nolan said that I at least at the time he said that was like his favorite scene he's ever shot which I think is so funny because he was so obsessed with the dynamics of how do you get a plane underneath the plane and shoot it that it was like he didn't read the fucking dialogue which is the dumbest shit ever the movie starts with baby like why would you shoot a man and throw him off a plane and I'm like why would you shoot a man and throw him off the plane why does the movie start this way. That's the dumbest thing a person would ever do. That whole scene is bizarre. It's ridiculous. You know the meme of like, they expect one of us in the wreckage. Have you seen like the new meme about that with the Odyssey? Yes. It says they expect none of us in the horse. They expect none of us in the horse. It's so good. It's so good.

Okay. Anyway, let's get to it. So like I said, this is for our purposes, this is the fool's gold player of the year. The guy who had the over the top play scored a lot of fantasy points, but we know they're not actually good. I think this is. has to go to Joe Flacco. Yeah. Yeah. It was fun while it lasted. Has he won this like three years in a row?

Yes. Like we have to just name. We have to add flacko. It's the, it's the Ruffalo Hannah Rubenick-Parkins Flackow Award. He's the Nicholas Cage of the NFL. Just being ridiculous characters in movies and doing it over and over and over. It's so funny because I think when people look back,

the Bengals trading Joe, the Brown's trading Joe Flacco to the Bengals. And people will look back and be like, well, Joe Flacco, he ended up winning like, We went one in five, so that didn't work. It didn't matter. But you look at the games and you're like, Joe Flacco averaged 33 points a game in his first four games.

Like, he came back, he played the Packers, he'd been there three days and he'd go well. The next three games, he scored 113 points in a three game span. Mike Tomlin has every right to be fucking pissed about this trade because there's a very real chance that if the Steelers lose to the Ravens this week and not make the playoffs, it's because Joe Flacco got traded to the Bengals and beat the Steelers in a 39 to 38 shootout

that if it was Jake Browning, the Steelers would have probably won and this game this weekend would have not mattered. So what are you saying is maybe Andrew Barry is smarter than my time. Should have beat. Should have beaten them twice? The freaking beat the freaking bangles then. Stop crying about it.

The Steelers losing to the Browns in week 17 and then not winning the division because they lost to the Bengals earlier would actually be incredible. But yeah, it's flaco. Well, I think the only other guy that you could include here is Jacoby Brissette, who, I mean,

just from a fantasy point of view, love him. He did great. He made, he made Trey McBride one of the most valuable pieces in fantasy. He made Michael Wilson one of the most valuable pickups in fantasy. He was amazing. And actually, I started Jacobi Bresset after I had injuries at quarterback in a bunch of different leagues.

He kind of flamed out at the end there and really didn't give you what you were hoping in the playoffs. But I think from a fantasy point of view, he was awesome. He was. I don't think he's very good. Like, he's not actually that good of a quarterback, but he puts up numbers. they pass a ton.

He was one in 10 as a start of this year, though. Dude, all time, garbage time stats season. Like one in 10, dude, Jacoby Preset's 15th and passing yards this season. He played 11 games. Like, that's crazy. I mean, it's flaco because the highs were higher, but Jacoby Preset, I believe not his first nine games,

his first eight games as a starter, he had between 19 and 24 fantasy points. Like, he was rock solid. He was Craig, from week six when he became starter to week 15. So like basically not the playoffs. He was the QB4 in that. Trey McBride is the number one tight end because of again,

maybe it's Brissette. But that's again, that's stat of Trey McBride, the gap between him and number two Kyle Pitts is bigger than the gap between pits and like number 30, whoever that was Kate Otton. Kate Otton. That's because of Brissette,

because Trey McBride had more touchdowns than a month with Percette that he did in three years with Kyler. And then the other thing is Michael Wilson. It's like you pick Jackson Smith and Jigweb off waivers in week 10. That's Jacoby percent. Dude, wild. And they won one game. Maybe it's percent.

Well, the other one is we have to talk about Phil Rivers, which they didn't win any games or anything, and it wasn't great for fantasy, but I don't know what this award means. It sure was funny, though. I don't know what award we're giving Phil Rivers, but. It's the Make a Wish Foundation Award, I think. Make a wish for old retired guys in mid-life crises who just need health care.

That's my unanswerable question of was just how much money would the out-of-pocket cost for Phil Rivers' 11 kids' health care have been if he had let a lap. $12,000 a month. He gets it for another five years now. Is that what it is? Five year clock. God, that's like worth a lot of much. So smart.

That's what I'm saying. That's worth like a cool mill right there. I love that he's not playing this week because like the Colts are out of playoff contention. There's just something funny about that. But he's like, I'm good. See you later. Well, I'm going to go coach my football team now. Fades into like light.

He just disappeared into the cornfields like feel the dreams. Yeah, exactly. So wait, is it is it Flacco or is it Brissette? I kind of think it's Brissette. I don't know what this award means. If it's to like, overactor. I think it's Peret because he might end up being the starter for the

for the Cardinals next year if they move on from Kyler. And I don't think he like really helps them win. I mean, I do think he probably makes him a little bit better. That's no what it's about though. Like he was the QB4 for half of that fantasy football season and he's not that good. That's it. I, there you go.

Cut Jacoby Preset in our Dynasty League because I was like, again, he was so, Jacobi reset was so bad a year ago in the Patriots that, Bill, all Bill would talk about was how bad Brissette was in that Drake May came in and it was amazing. And I remember thinking that even if Kyler gets hurt, I don't think Prissette will be that good. And then Brissette came in. It was, yeah, straight up a top five quarterback propelling a top three receiver and the number one tight end. Yeah. And this is like a good example. And this is why I do this and almost on my leagues is no matter who it is, almost no

matter who it is. I always pick up the quarterbacks that are coming in to like take care or to take over for injury guys just because something like this could have. You never know. Like I, you actually never really know with these guys. Right. Brissette and Michael Wilson can become the next Joe Burrow and Jay and Chase. And I thought I was smart adding Marioata instead of Brissette. And then here I am like an idiot. All right.

Next category here is the quote of the year. We did just mention, Hyvitz, you've compiled a lot of these, but Mike Tomlin talking about Andrew Barry must be a lot smarter than me about the Joe Flacco trade. Definitely is one of them. But do you want to read through a couple of these? Let me roll through these.

I had so much fun doing this. And I want to go through players and then coach. We can start with coaches, actually. But the coach quotes are so funny to be. So Tomlin having the, yeah, Andrew Barry must be smarter than me because that does make a lot of sense. I really do love the format format of that comment. He must be a lot smarter than me. It's just like such a backhanded thing.

We should rank people to get a beer with in the NFL. Tomlin quietly might be number one because of his ability to just like say shit like that and take a swig. That reminds me of high fist when we were, we were getting stakes in Indianapolis one year. and Tomlin was eating at the table next to us. We couldn't get into St. Elmo. Ruth Chris was next door and empty and we went in and we sit down. We're next to all the Steelers coaches. And then it was that year that they switched the timer.

You would love that shit. Craig, I was so sad you weren't there because that was the year the NFL network, the timer guy retired who had done the timer on the broadcast for 20 years. He retired. And there was a new guy. Everyone was running four ones. We thought Chris Olave broke the 40-yard dash record. So Mike Tomlin's doing the hold me back.

Like what? And they couldn't. We're all sitting there like freaking out. I mean, not with Tomlin, but we were like next to him. And they couldn't believe it. We were all doing the same. We were all the same. We're like, oh, my God.

I'm at a four two. Anyway. Yeah, fun guy. Okay, other quotes here. The reporter asking Cardinals coach Jonathan Gannon, coach, when did you learn you had to take the emotion out of coaching? And Jonathan Gannon's stone face says, 2007 when our quarterback went to jail.

Whew. About Michael Vick. Okay. Mike McDaniel and training camp saying it's a, the reporter said, good morning. He said, no, it's a great morning. They're like, why? He's like, because we're another day closer to death.

It's real. D.K. really gets that one. Nialism. The, though I were tickled by all the Mike McDaniel two and stuff, but the player stuff, I have to shout out, A.G. Brown saying, if you have me in fantasy, get rid of me on a live stream. And then I went off. Number five receiver in fantasy after he said that.

Yeah, classic. Unbelievable. Also related, uh, Brees Hall, a person. favorite of mine after the Jets blew another Lee said that's the story of our season. Team shoot themselves in the foot and then we come back and shoot ourselves in the head. Maybe the winner here is Isaiah likely saying, we ass as fuck. Yeah. Yelling that as he's like walking to his car.

Yeah. I had fans after they lost. He's like, we ass as fuck. He's like, what? He's like, we ass as fuck. He's like, oh, sorry, they didn't hear me. Hold on. We ass as fuck.

And then they were like, what again? he's like, this shit is ass as fuck. It's like, what is it? Back to the futures yelling at the phone. He's like, get a load of this. Where is my super suit? It's fucking incredible. We ass as fuck.

Joe Flacco saying, I used to see guys sitting at the bar by themselves eating and I used to feel so bad for them and now I realize that dude was in heaven. God, I love that. That's something you can only save you're over 40 years old. Yeah. That's like a right of passage.

Right. In life. The next two here, I got the sound drop because I hope they were so funny. Number one, the Brown's defense attack of Shelby Harris after Juan Jennings, the Niners receiver was shit-talking Malik Collins as Malik Collins was carted off for the Browns. And then Cam, I think, has this audio of Shelby Harris talking shit. He's the whole, and I want that known.

Like, I see why he got punched in the nuts. He says some things that you should not say to another man ever, but like I don't respect it because you say that, then run behind your O line. That's some real soft. shit and I want that known I see exactly why they punch the nuts I'm surprised nobody punched him in the jaw yet he a ho I want that known I want that known is I want that known is a good it's a good line we should we should that might have to be a category next Sunday it's like I want that no I want that known he says

some shit to another man that should never be said ever I see why I got punched saying about that specific thing he a ho I want that known I see why I got punched in the nuts it you don't even need context it's incredible yeah that's great The other one, we've never talked about this, and I don't know if you guys have seen it. So I'm just going to play it. This is Devin McCordy on Mike Floreo's podcast a month ago. And I think it was Thanksgiving.

We never talked about this. Camble, you please play this clip. This is about Devin McCordy's describing, Mike Floreo, asked Devin McCordy, what's it like inside a scrum when everyone's going for the ball and a fumble? Like, what do you have to do to recover fumble? This was Devin McCordy's answer.

Here's the protocol. All right, balls on the ground. You're jumping and you're diving on the ball. You're going to protect every ball. this you're going to jump on the ball get on the football get in the fetal but once you get in the fetal close your mouth close your eyes squeeze your butt cheeks the fetal protects two balls your arms protect another one and close the butt cheeks the bottom of those piles are rough loreo it is rough at the bottom of the pile once again kind of glad i don't play professional

football you know it's so funny we spend so much time talking about all the stuff and what matters or not. And then I saw some clip of like Patrick Sartan has a podcast now. And they told me Richard Sherman. They were like, so what's the secret? Like what helped you play better? And I'm thinking coverage, technique, scheme. And they're like, dude, I was wearing underwear and I was going slow. So let it all hang out now. Started playing way better. No underwear below the pants. They were saying they're just freeball it. And like to Ryan Arnold was talking about how he's like rookie year. You just got all the equipment. And then eventually you get older. You're like, nah, I'm just going to let it fucking hang. And then you run faster. Interesting.

Sometimes it's not that complicated. Do you guys sleep in underwear or no? Yeah. As opposed to like naked? Yeah, that's right. Yeah, no, I put, I wear boxers. Do you sleep? Do you sleep naked?

No, I don't sleep naked. I wear boxer briefs. You wear boxer briefs to bed? That's too constricting for me. Well, I buy ones that aren't that constricting. Okay, that's fair. Well, I was just thinking about this source reminds me of, there's like so much better technology now for, in terms of,

like sport clothes now like under armor and all this stuff that you can wear you know like the tight the whatever it's compression stuff and in my high school like i was wearing boxers under my basketball shorts back in the day people wearing boxers and converse on the basketball court which just okay i'm not that old but yeah dude the videos of people playing basketball in like the 40s and 50s are so funny like the the basketball skills were horrific dude the whole small I wish Parker would run circles around Oscar Robertson thing. I mean, it's like, you know those scene from the office where Stanley plays basketball, the way he goes. Like that's how they all fucking troubled.

Bob Coosies. Because they were plumbers and electricians. Dude, I can't get over the fact that Kareem Abdul-Jabbar played well into his early 40s and continued to be good. Playing in like Chuck Taylor's for 25 years. Yeah, that's wild. If I did that for a week, I think I would go to the hospital. Oh, my God. Imagine your feet, just calloused.

Oh. They were built dip back then. Creep seven feet tall for 25 years playing in Converse. His feet were just like hard as rocks. All right. What are some of the quotes? I think that's, I think the winner has to be he's a ho and I want that now.

Yeah, I like that. I think that has to be the quote in the year. He's a ho. I see what he got punched. So yeah, he's a ho. I want that known. We had to create a new one,

which is also just best announcer moment of the year. Sure. And, oh, there's some good ones. Yeah. Craig, I'm going to make you do some of these. but Tom Brady, there's so many,

but I decided it was the one where he was like, a little juice, which. Yeah. Do we have that cute up or you? I'm gonna just do it. I want you to do it. It's funnier when you do it. Great. Yeah. So I believe it was the Chargers Planet Commanders.

And he goes, a little juice there for the Commander's defense. They feel the juice. The Chargers do. Like Yoda. Once again, he's literally Yoda. He does talk like Yoda. Yes. he does. Craig said that last time, too. It's so funny. They feel the juice, the Chargers do.

He does not know what the next word will be out of his mouth. He says they feel the juice and is like, I got no, how do I clean this up? And then has to go out. He's the one who he's speaking with semi-colons. Also calling Josh Allen big booty, big booty quarterback Josh Allen. Remember when he said piss missile? It was almost a good moment. Discovering that the word absolute was his verbal crutch. I really enjoyed it unlocked a lot for what we're doing here. I can't believe you wore one glove. Did we get an explanation on that? Do you lose his other glove? I doubt he lost I honestly it's probably the mic's cold. I don't know or he's a super villain. The mic is cold. He's like, I don't like the feeling of cold metal on my skin. It burns me.

It's the last one. He's like, I'm very sensitive to impure metals. Anyway, the other announcement here, dude, Eric Collins, just screaming doubtle. he speaks with so much more passion than anybody I've ever heard I it's he's I honestly want to meet him more than anybody else involved in professional football I want to meet that guy I want to do we do we isolate dowdell have you made that one more time

what is like a cat screeching screaming to the abyss it's like bing bogg and uh with the guts of a cat burglar Oh, my God. The cuts of a cat burger. Similarly, Gus Johnson announcing the Indiana touchdown. Sure.

Oh, my God. Mendoza. In trouble. Unbelievable. Oh, good call. Good call. Gus has another one. We need to get those two in a room because they're just fans.

Nuclear fission. Who have a microphone, you know? Mendoza, under pressure. And then he just goes, ooh! The way he says Mendoza is almost better than Shroud. Mendoza. Yeah. Mendoza.

Under pressure. The way he does, it's like the last gasp of oxygen leaving his breath. Omar Cooper. Can you play that one more time? I have to hear that one more time. Dosa. It's up. Omar.

Omar. Oh, Mark. Give him the Hinesman trophy now. In trouble! So good. Look, dig! There's moments where he sounds like the famous boxing announcer guy. Standing in this corner.

Oh, Buffer? Bruce Buffer? Yes, he sounds like him a little bit. Is Bruce Buffer eating bignets? Wasn't there one Super Bowl where I was in a hotel gym next to Bruce Buffer on the treadmill? Maybe. He's probably Michael Buffer. There's Michael Buffer.

His brother who does the fight night stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Underrated, incredible niche they lock down there. Incredible work by them. It's time. Bruce is better than Michael. The microphone hanging from the ceiling is like one of the coolest inventions. Dude, we should do that for our show.

We should hang the mics from the ceiling. The mic from the ceiling is sick. When you pull it, yeah, that's kind of hung into that. The Italian stallion, Rocky Balboa. I love that. Wait, hyphins, are you saying it's time is better than let's get ready to rumble? I think it surpassed that. I think Bruce Buffer, well, it's like a James Cook, Dalvin Cook situation.

Like, you look up what they do. Can you do it? It's time. It's time! I mean, it is pretty good. It is good, but let's get ready to rumble is... Let's get a rumble is iconic. Let's get ready to rumble.

How many times I, like, played basketball to like, let's get ready to rumble. There's like a siren in the background. Oh, God. Those guys, honestly, pretty incredible. It's great that the two brothers made their careers out of just like one catchphrase. Just sang one line. The dream. Super smart.

All right. Let's move on here. Wait, what's the winner? What's the winner for an outsider moment? Oh. Oh, I was, can I just throw on a couple others here just to mention? We have to mention Chris Collinsworth saying, you know, my dad's name was Abraham Lincoln. I got to say, I think that might win, dude.

That really made the rounds. I that is so funny my dad's name's Abraham Lincoln isn't that how we discovered Buzz Nutter Yes it is how we discovered Buzz Nutter The sliding doors moment Craig Oh my God

I think I want to give it to Chris Collinsworth You know my and then because Tarrico went what What? He was all of us What Abraham Lincoln Collinsworth That was also so great

Because sometimes they set stuff like Tom Brady talking about milk and they're like hey Tom I heard you also milk in the clock You milked cow right and it's obvious. Tariko so clearly did not know that. Yeah, you know, my dad. How did that never come up before?

They've been doing this for like 20 years. I'd say on the other side of the coin here, like the Al Michaels just mailing it in thing is really funny to me. Like I will never now, I will always remember him calling the Rashid Shahee return touchdown against the Rams. Rashid Shaheed Fields the punt.

He's like at the 15 about, to score and he says fields the punt working his way down the sideline he's like about to score crucial moment coming to comeback i was just checking his best she he it's like they had to use a like jumper cables midway through there just to get him going a little bit um okay next award here is the cloise box name of the year this is a new award oh we often go back and look at old NFL rosters we love finding old old timey names don't exist anymore i think we've landed on four names that we discovered this year that are under contention. I will list them off here and then we can decide on who we believe is the is the name of

2025 that we've discovered. We have Cub Buck. The way that Craig says it. Cub Buck. Cub Buck. Cub Buck. The next nominee here is Jug. You're real people.

Jug herb. Jug. They're like, why do you call Jug? And they're like, well, his head looks like a jug. You know how, like, at the Oscars, they have, like, the guy who won Best Actor last year read the nominee. I wish we could have had, like, Cloy's box re-bys years nominees. We should do AI have, like, recreate it like they did with Al Davis.

We're not that far off from that. Yeah. No, we're not. Next up, a rare modern entry. Fish Brosmer. The brother of Max Brosmer, fish. We think there's, we don't have evidence to suggest that his legal name is not fish.

Yeah. So we're going to go with Fish Brosmer and then rounding it out as we just mentioned. buzz nutter I'm actually proud of us none of us to this point have said nutter I barely know her right so the Cloy's box name of the year award

goes to who in your mind Buzz nutter Buzz nutter Buzz nutter Buzz nutter is funny but I think Jug herb I think it's jug buck Oh my god

Cub buck There's like a ling There's something like linguistic about Cub buck with a cub It's like the BB right next week time. Cup buck. It's like a loop.

For some reason, I see like Cup buck. Like a W there. This is a true battle here at the top. I don't know who deserves it. I'm changing my answer to Cubbuck. Maybe we put a poll in Spotify or do a poll. Yeah, who deserves the best name of the year?

We just put all four up, really. Buzz Nutter. But Buzz Nutter is crazy. Yeah. He was a center in the 50s. So we'll do a vote on this, I think. And then what are some of the other ones just to like remind people? So there was like Whizzer White.

Whizzer White? Milt. Milt. Bety feathers. Beattie feathers. Right. There's lots of, lots of dicks. We talked about Dick Bong, one of the great American fighter pilot aces.

Sam Darnold's great uncle. Yeah, Dick Bong. What? I forgot about that. Dick Bong. Major Dik Bong is related to Sam Darnel? Oh, no. That's just a made different major.

Darnold. Uncle Dick Bong. It's, sorry, Donald's uncle's Dick Hammer. Dick Hammer. Dick Hammer. Basketball player at USC.

Computed to volleyball to 64 Summer Olympics. Played Captain Richard Dick Hammer in the TV series Emergency. And he was also a firefighter. And he was a Marlborough man. Oh yeah, he was the Marlboro man. Dick Hammer.

Dick Hammer. And then also while we're here, we're going to do a Fandall ad. We actually convinced Fandul to let us do an ad where we get to just name old players. I don't know how we did this, but we, we get Fandall's like, you want to do an ad? We're like, could we do one where we name old players? So Fandall is now live in Missouri. And to celebrate, we're going to go back to the start. We're taking a look at the mighty 1960 Dallas Texans, aka the 1960 Kansas City Chiefs because of Missouri. So yeah,

shout out to Fandall for letting us do an ad or get to name players. So I pulled up some of our favorite players in the 1960 Dallas Texans, AK Kansas City Chiefs, Bo Dickinson. Okay. Jack Spikes. Great name. Oh, yeah, Jack Spikes. Tony Romeo, which sounds like a guy in the Goodfellow's montage. He's like, oh, yeah, it's Tony Romeo. Yeah, there's Jimmy two times, Tony Romeo. Yeah, it's Tony Romeo, Jimmy's the lover, not a fighter.

It was Tony Romo, and now that's how he told him. Exactly. Smokey Stover. Ooh, that's nice. There's a guy named Hatch. Okay. Dude, Hatch is a good name. Hatch.

Hatch. Hatch is great. Hatch. But I want to shout out one guy named. named Cheryl Hedrick. And I want to shout him out because I want to tell you a little bit into his Wikipedia.

So shout out Cheryl Hedrick. I learned this looking up smoking stover. And so Cheryl Hedrick, while working in the West Texas and New Mexico oil fields during the offseason in 1960. Of course. I know.

He became one of the first. Real man strength. I know. We used to be a country. He became one of the first players to sign with the Dallas Texans who became the chiefs in 1960s is an undrafted free agent.

In Hedrick's first year is a lineback with the Texans. He set the story. standard for playing hurt. Despite feeling pain in his neck after a pregame collision, Hedrick played the entire game. Pregame collision. Pre-game collision. Maybe it was with a Mack truck. They're just doing the Oklahoma drill for warm-ups. They're probably sprinting at one another from 100 yards apart. So he learned five days later that he had actually fractured his vertebrae in his neck before the game. And then he played the next game without missing any time,

which earned him the nickname Psycho. So Hedric was actually known as psycho for the rest of his career after that. He called Psychohedric. And now that's Cam Scataboo. Has taken on the nickname. His legacy lives on. Yeah. Dude, Hank Stram said that Hedric played once, broken neck, infected gums and a fractured thumb,

and that he broke his bone and his finger. Teethyth. He was on the injury report with teeth. Psychohedric broke a bone in his finger sticking. The bone was sticking out, and he just put it back in, in his skin. Oh, it was like compound fracture? Yes. Just get lowered. So yeah, we used to be men.

I will say, in all the talk that we've done about funny names, the one person that keeps getting sent to me on Twitter and stuff, Dick Shiner. Dick Shiner, Dick Hammer. We can't overstate that it's not just Cloyce Box, but it's also Boyce Box and Fern Box. Yeah, that's the whole family. As a family, they win. Exactly. A champ Bailey, Boss, Bailey, and Michael. Fern.

Fern. Fern. All-timer. watching Craig like discover these names in real time there's nothing better we have a single listener named Fern if you're a name Fern

and you can prove it email us we're gonna have so many questions if you can prove it if you prove it all right remember fandals now live in Missouri and they're celebrating with a ton of great promotions and rewards for everyone

so sign up today take advantage all week long you don't want to miss out and thank you to Fandul for letting us do a Fandel ad where we got to talk about close box all right next award here

this is the deadest dove do not eat award for the most glaringly obvious thing you still fell for. For me, it is that I fell for that the Steelers might not go nine and eight with Aaron Rogers. I fell for that. The oldest trick in the book, Craig. The oldest trick in the book. I fell for the Giants might not go two in ten this season.

Yeah. Yeah. Mine didn't really have anything to do with my team, but I thought Bryce Young might actually be good. Yeah. Turns out, no. He's not. He's not. Also, I drafted Jail and W.

bottle like an idiot we fucking told you i know you guys told me i kind of did it it was a little bit rebellious of me i just wanted to prove you guys wrong and you open the freezer you saw the bag it said jalen waddles 2025 you're like let's do it what's your return policy um all right next up here we had the most rewatchable play of 2025 i believe i have my answer which rewatchable play i think I think we just call this the best or most memorable play in the season. To me, it doesn't get any better than when Jalen Hertz turns the wall over twice in one play. Ooh.

Or worse, depending on how you're looking at it. Wow. That's an all-timer. That's never happened before as far as I. And it will never happen again. Yeah. It will never be broken.

Two turnovers in one game. I'll remember this when I'm old. When I'm like 65, I'll remember that play. If it happened to like Matt Stafford, big deal. The fact that it was Jalen Hertz, I think makes it even.

better. He had like three turnovers to that point in the year. Yeah. We had five that day. Yeah. We have five that day? Yeah, a good day though. I think it surpasses like the crazy Cardinals ending where Amari Demericado drops the ball at the goal line. And then the Camward throws a pick that the Cardinals then fumble into the end zone and the Titan score touchdown and to play the Cardinals intercepted them. That Max Brosmer's pick six. All that goes away. I think the Jalen Hertz play. That is the worst play. That is that is the one I will remember the most. Yes. I would The Puka Week 13 catch is one of the best catches I've seen a very long time. But two turnovers in one play.

I would argue the most memorable plays this year got erased by the Puka catch on when I football would have been in. And the other one was frankly, the Amonra St. Brown lateral to Jared Gough where he got a touchdown and would have scored the winning touchdown as time expired on a pitch to golf. And then the rest were like OPI. But Amon Ra committed an egregious OPI. So what can you do?

You can't cheat. They're not going to let you. Okay. By the way, they were playing the Steelers in that game. Oh, right. The next award here, the worst coach moment of 2025. Hmm. I think that. Oh, I know what it is. Well, Brian Callahan saying he didn't know like two, an elbow's not two feet and he was wrong for the catch rule is bad.

Brian Daible going into the blue tent and yelling at them while Jackson Dart getting concussion tested was bad. I think Zach Taylor challenging a DJ more catch that turned it into a touchdown was bad. That's it. That was pretty bad. That's the best one. That tried to get the ball back and they scored a touchdown. I've never seen that. That one's the best one.

I just loved that. It was like the worst talk about your all-time backfire I've ever seen. Aaron Glenn's saying, I want this to be a team that fans are proud of, but again, I never said they were going to be proud of the Jets right now. In fairness, okay. To be fair. You got me. However, I think it has to be worst coach one of the years, Lane Kiffin, leaving Ole Miss.

I think that has to. I think that supersedes everything else. they're in the college football playoff hosting a home game and he's just like, I'm going to go. Zach Taylor challenging a play and then having it turn into a touchdown is fucking hilarious. Wow, this is worse than I thought. Didn't even know you could do that. You could have done nothing and you would have been better off, pal. Okay, the next award here is probably unanswerable questions from the season.

Heifitz, you said you had one you specifically wanted to pose. Yeah. So you know how the Steelers lost to the Browns last week? It didn't score a touchdown, even though if you had won that game, you, would have just won the division? Yeah. Do you think the Steelers would have won if Rogers didn't spend so much time

going through the Epstein files last week? Wow. For doing his own research, you're saying? Yes. Quite literally, like, people, like, tired is thinking that Aaron Rogers spent too much time worrying about Miles Garrett breaking the sack record,

and wired is actually Aaron Rogers was fucking just copy and pasting all the redacted stuff in the Epstein files and being like, do they want me to find this? Do you think they have redacted it on purpose? Why is it like this? he's more focused on bigger issues than this silly game that we talk about. Played a kid's game out here.

Yeah. He's trying to soup with forks. That's right. He's looking, he's got a bigger windshield than rearview. All right. Next up here, next award. You know, in the rewatchables, there's an award called Apex Mountain, which is kind of who's at the top of their powers right now?

Who's at the peak of their powers? We actually like the opposite. We like the Kyle Pitts Death Valley Award for who is having the nadir of their career, both professionally and personally right now, although we're not. We may have to change it from Kyle Pitts, but I have a list for you guys. I can start. Please. This is a spicy one.

It's an important category. Patrick Mahomes are chiefs, by far. Just by default. Kyler Murray. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. He's literally, this is probably the hardest year of his entire life.

It's never been benched. He'll lose a game in high school. Right. Losing your offensive play caller in thinking you'll be fine. Yeah. Lions, bucks, eagles. Tough. Ooh, yeah, good one.

John Harbaugh? Probably. Has it ever been worse for John Harbaugh? Yeah. Well, he was almost fired a few years back. 2018, he was on the hot seat. That's why they played Lamar in the first place. But now this is, this is pretty bad.

If they lose to the Steelers. Faith is at an all-time low. Is this Tua's Death Valley or was it the injury? It was probably when he was very visible. concussed on the TV broadcast that one time. That was pretty brutal. There multiple times that happened. Yeah. Yeah. Craig's

like doing the sign filled like scratching. That's probably fair. Yeah, yeah. What about Bill Belichick? I think that's the one. Unquestion. We should, I mean, you might have to rename the award after him. Dude, Belichick has done more damage to his legacy this year. I can't, I can't, there's no comparison. What is more

embarrassing? Like, the Jordan Hudson stuff, not only being true, but actually being way more true than any of us could have realized of how much she's running her his life and how much like she has taken control of everything he's doing versus just absolutely getting fucking boat raced in the in the ACC. It's got to be Belichick, man. Is it Apex Mountain for being whipped? Wow.

Wow. It's like hard though, Craig, because he's really old. He's really old and she's young. I mean, there's like, there are so many really, really old like, like, seenow rich people like sumner redstone who were just basically getting tricked into like paying his multiple girlfriends money but in terms of like coherent lucid men he might be the who like he's like allowing her to like do make decisions about north carolina football yes that's tough i don't know who's more whipped email us if there's anybody who's been more whip than bill bellic

emails i bringer fantasy football at gmail dot com that's pretty good saving silverman Great movie. Do you guys have any other nadiers? Oh, Cereone Moore? Sure. Yes. Suron Moore.

Sure. Highvitz, yes. I was going to say Pete Carroll, but he's been fired a few times. I don't know. No, Patriots probably because this is sad for Pete, but like the Patriots getting fired, Pete Carroll was like,

no one of healed. He's like he's not never going to be anything. Right. Yeah. I mean, do you think the cheating scandal was worse for Pete Carroll than right now? Possibly. USC? no because like that was bad but like they had been so good man yeah like they were it's also so quaint

in retrospect they gave reggie bush an escalated now it's like damn that was all you had to give reggie bush that's crazy you got for half a million dollars that's the contract of the year if you had to decide who is awarded the the the Kyle pits death valley of just this season who would you give a team if you had to pick a team that wins the death valley award this season And I think there's four candidates. I think it's the Jets. Yeah, I think it's the Jets. Who have zero interceptions and Brady Cook has started multiple games,

which doesn't feel right. Brady Cook feels like one of those guys where it's like a one week experiment. The Jets are like the living embodiment of it can always be worse. You have the Raiders who brought in Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly and Gino Smith and they drafted Ashton Jentie in the first round, Tom Brady, and they're going to have the first pick in the draft and it's an unmitigated disaster. You have the Giants who had Malik Willis Teraz-A-CL,

Cam Scoutaboo, a major success. break his foot out for the year. Jackson Dart can't stay healthy. They fire their coach midway through the season and they can't even get first pick. Or the Indianapolis Colts who started 8 and 1 and then didn't make the playoffs

and their quarterback broke his leg. So as a Giants fan, I can confirm, it's not the Giants because the Giants are excited about Jackson Dart and I would so much, I'd take the Giants over the Jets right now 101 times out of 100. I feel bad for the Jets.

I think Jets and Raiders fans are kind of dead. side. And I think the cults getting that what is dead may never die. Yeah, exactly. The cults getting the flicker of I think we're going to win the Super Bowl and then literally finishing one in seven Jones blows as Achilles. Yeah, you don't have picks. I think I think it's kind of the cults even more even more than like the Ravens of the Chiefs. Yeah, the Jets the Jets have just been doing it for so long. It's like what's what's another year? I have to say though. I think the Jets have no interception thing. I think that's the stat of the year. So sad.

The Jets, so like they broke the record for any stretch of games over multiple seasons, but the record to start a season without interception, the longest any team had ever gone before without picks was the Giants a couple years ago, it's 11 games in a row to start a year. The Jets have none. They're on the verge of a 17-game season without an interception, and they hired a cornerback as their head coach. Quarterbacks against the Jets, 34 touchdown, zero interception.

It's like the best season of all time. Do we think, so the next category we had here was stat of the year? Do you think that's it, the zero intercept? for the Jets. Certainly the most memorable, I think. Yes. I think it has to be the Jets of no picks last year. Like, if they finish that, surpasses Jamar Chase's stat line of four catches and three tackles. Oh, that's good. The Todd Brown, the Jake Browning special. Yeah, it's probably the Jets having zero interceptions in the entire season. Um, okay. Next up here, we have the email of the year. Hyvitz. Uh, I would like to give

my personal favorite, I think the email of the year is from, name is redacted, but the guy who emailed in the story, and I'm going to tell it again for the first time, if you guys remember, don't worry, but basically he was out. It's like the late 90s, he's out at a club, and he meets this girl, he gets her back, he's like 23, and she's like older, she's like 35, and they hook up, and he's like, this is like the best sex in my life, and they start hooking up for four or five months, and they have a great time, and then she's over. It's like Saturday, Sunday morning, and she picks up a Christmas card, and she's like,

how do you know these people? she's like and he's like those are my step signals she's like how do you have this photo there's steps siblings he's like and she says these are my children oh my lord and it turns out pre-internet he had been hooking up with his stepfather's first wife for months and then he never heard from her again and then he never she walked out and they never talked ever again how is that not like a 90s movie with michael douglas i feel like that should have been made we we should too good. We should make that. Thank you. Do we own the rights technically?

I'll get in touch. We should. That would be an incredible beginning to a Christmas movie. Yeah. And then there's a Christmas together. A few more here. Every rewatchable is right before who won the movie. They usually do the coach Finstock life lesson of the year. Do we have, do we have a lesson of this year? You know, to quote, I forget if it was Shane Batee or A.J. Brown who said this, you know, but if you're not welcomed, not listen to quietly, withdraw, don't make a scene, shrug your shoulders and be on your way. Is that A.J. Brown? And the Bible. Yes.

A.J. Brown. I quote the Bible. The Bible. Dash, A.J. Brown. Mark. In his letter to the Corinthians. Do you guys know the quote? Do you know who Coach Finstock is? No. He's the coach from the movie Teen Wolf with Michael J. Fox. Here's the coach. Here's his quote. This is what he says in the movie. His three rules to a successful life.

Get at least 12 hours of sleep. 12? Yep. Don't play cards with someone whose first name is a city and avoid women with dagger tattoos. Fair. Iconic.

It's just, yeah, the sage, wisdom. Don't play cards with somebody whose first name is a city. It's so good. Tallahassee Stover. I'm good. Some guy named Dallas walks in. Nope, I'm out.

All right. Drum roll, please. We're going to get to who won the year. So we started the, the episode with the fantasy MVP. This is different. This is more holistic NFL generally. Who won the year, the 2025 NFL season?

High Fitz. Who do you have? I think the winner of the year has to be the just the new guard. It's just Ben Johnson and Caleb William. It is, though. No. It is. It's like, it's, I don't allow that.

I know, but it's, it's Caleb. Fine. You're going to name eight people? No, it's specifically. It's new coaches with these quarterbacks. is Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams is Trevor Lawrence with Liam Cohen, and it's Mike Freeable with Drake May. They've completely overtake, like it's been a total shift away from the Mahomes,

Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson era, and they've just been kind of overthrown by like Drake May, Trevor Lawrence, Caleb Johnson, Caleb Williams. Yeah, I think that the story of the year, you could say it's the, the coaching, the new coaching class or whatever, because you could add in Kellan Moore, who's done good things for. Did he even, did you mention Sean Payton and Bo Nix? they're going to be the one seat. No, and that's the thing.

Whether you want to throw in Sean Payton with that, but yeah, if you include that, I mean, second year coaches like Bo Nix and Sean Payton overthrew Patrick Mahomes in the NFC West and it's like Drake May overtook Josh Allen in the AFC East. I know it's one season, but it's also, Josh Allen's going to be 30 next year.

Mahomes, ACL 30. Lamar, quietly. It's going to be like 30. Mike McDonald for the Seahawks. Like a lot of these guys, like the second and first year head coaches, I just think there is a sea change. The new guard.

I kind of like, I think there's something here. I know it's a little stupid and kitsy, but I'm like, we're in between eras right now. I agree with D.K. That is the story of the season. Unfortunately, the name of the category is who won the year. So you're right. Let's add another category called the story of the year,

the story of the season, the narrative of the season. That is the new guard unquestionably. Fine. Then the winner is show Hey, Otani, because for two weeks, we talked about baseball in this fucking show, which has never happened before. Carlos didn't cut it. The Oscars and they're like,

and the best actor goes to all five of them. What a year. Fine. I pick Otani. Okay. Well, you're not going to like my answer, Craig. Who is it? Generational prospects we gave up on. You guys don't know how to follow rules. Generational, so Caleb Williams, Trevor Lawrence. Who else?

Kyle Pitts. Kyle Pitts. That's about it. Okay. I think it's Drake May. Yeah. Yeah. Probably has to be. He won the year. Yeah. If you have to pick one person, I agree with Hyphids that it is like, generally it is like this new era that this new wave that has like, stormed into the NFL while the old guard is kind of waning. But I think if you have to pick one person inside of that new wave,

I would say it's either Drake May or Ben Johnson. Dude, I know it's Drake May because you know how you know it's Drake May. He's conquered the internet. It's all shucks. He's not even a high school sweetheart. His wife's his middle school sweetheart. And if you look at like Brittany Mahomes' comments on anything she posts, it's like just hatred, vitrial, toxic internet.

Drake May's wife somehow is the only person in sports where everyone, and all the comments in her bake miss and her cookies are just like, I love your husband. I'll do anything. Can I have your cookie recipes? People fucking love her. They love Drake May. It's not going to last.

It's not even toxic on the internet. Yeah. Liz, my wife, has discovered Drake May's wife and now follows her and consumes her content. That's how I know she's won the fucking, that's how I know Drake May won the year. Yeah. That's fair. All right. More importantly, who lost the year?

This can be player or team. I think the Colts dying on the Oregon Trail. The Wagon, the Colts wagon died fording the river. I agree. It's either the Colts or if you want to expand out, it's Belichick. I think it has to be Belichick. Yeah, it's Belichick. Belichick, you know why the Colts, we feel bad for it?

Belichick's a punchline. Like, Belichick literally is just the best coach in the NFL since Paul Brown, like at least. And now it's like, it's like, we're going to need 10 years to rehab that. Yeah, it's tough. the the bellichick thing went from greatest coach of all time the NFL is so stupid for not hiring this guy to everyone being like oh okay i kind of get it bill bellichick blew a 28 to three lead of his career yes that's exactly what happened god damn it craig he was so close yeah just needed one first down yeah no he still he's still got he's still got a good like he'll

still go down. It's the greatest coach for all time, but man, it's been rough. But there's a, but man, like that's, that's the part of it.

So that wraps things out. We did have one bonus category of the Stephen A. Smith hottest take award of the year. Hyphids went back and, and compiled the, what he thought were,

is it the best takes, the funniest takes? I have kept track of these for the entire season, and I wrote down what I thought was the craziest thing each of us said on the show this year. So this is like,

these are 10 out of tens on the crazy skis. I think this is the single craziest thing each individual person said this year. Like if you said it to a group of people that don't know you, like you meet new people at a party and you said this, people would be like, what the fuck is wrong with this guy?

Like he's an idiot. All right. So the nominees for hottest take. I don't like that it ended on you're an idiot. I was kind of, before that, I was like, oh, okay. You're right.

No, sorry, sorry. Not anything. It's crazy. Good take. Good take. Yeah. You're a takesman. Hot takes.

Hot takes. Yeah, the hottest takes anyone said this year. Craig saying I could throw for 28 yards in an NFL game. I believe that. It's like Craig saying he could go two for five for in first three point range or whatever. Three for five. Three. I think Craig going three for five in an NBA game.

Three for five. Whatever percentage you want to put on that. I think it is a thousand times more likely than Craig throwing for 28 yards in an end. No way. No fucking chance. No way. The thing they don't tell you about a screen behind the line of scrimmage is you still have to throw it like 20, Hifitz, have you forgotten we talked about this all season?

I can underhand shuffle past the ball to a tight end. And he can get me 15 yards in one play. Do that three times. You know what? I'm going to let D.K. I'll let D.K. I'll let D.K. I'll let D.K.

I'll let the three for five number where the fact that you came up with that is just chef's kiss. The whole point of three for five is that the entire game plan is to, is to get me to accomplish that goal. Like Steve Kerr would be coaching me so that I am open to hit three out of five corner three. And Ben Johnson is scheming me to get like his life depends on me getting 28 yards.

There's no way. You'll do one touch pass. It'll get 13 and you'll lose seven yards immediately. Like you're going to lose yardage. Then I're going to play up on it. There's no way. I don't know. Then I just go back shoulder down the sideline. But all right. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, go one-on-one like Lake Lewis. You wait, you know

that thing of that what's that random guy? he's like, I could strike out Timothy Shalome. He'd have no chance. I'm starting 98 miles upper deck right to show. Dude, that's so great. Here it is. I would strike Timothy Shalomay out on three pitches. Slider outside.

He feels like he's drowning. Curve ball in the dirt. Of course he's chasing it. Lady Bird sucked. Kill yourself. And bang, 97 inside corner you're out. You were always out. You've been out since the day you were born.

So good. Stuff. All right. Your, it feels like he's, drowning. Drowning. The next, he's chasing it.

All right. Next nominee for craziest things someone said of the show this year. D.K. said, my dog is more

athletic than secretariat. I stand by it. You stand by it. Your dog. My dog, George, who's moderately athletic.

My dog is more athletic than secretary. Look, man. Everyone's definition of athletic is a little

different. The most impressive and famous thorough red horse of all time. Secretariat Carlos saying I couldn't pick I have both

I hate Carlos saying I hate the moment of Zen on YouTube TV That is an all-timeer I hate the moment of Zen He's like I'm mad about it Rather see more commercials is what he said Carlos I have to say though You're saying on the top of the Guinness factory I'm like getting beers and I'm like do you want anything

He's like yeah do you think they have Moscow mules This is in Dublin Ireland In Dublin in the Guinness factory. It's in the museum to Guinness. And I just looked at them. It was the first rude thing I've ever said to him. He was like, do you think they have Mosque Mules?

I was like, no. They did. I wish, did they? They had them. Yeah. Every time we do a baseball segment, we finish the show and we're talking about the episode. He goes, I just fucking hate baseball. Can we delete that?

Yeah. He wants to cut it. Talk about a Tata. He's like, yeah. The best World Series of all time. He's like, I didn't like that. my obviously there were a lot of moments for me but the one I picked as the most craziest thing I said this year I said I could build stonehenge if I had 30 to 40 guys and 30 to 40 years 30 to 40 guys I've got my 30 or 40 guys and 30 to 40 years feral hogs yeah 30 40 guys 30 40 years I'll build stonehenge I love these arguments are so ridiculous I think it's you saying you watch sopranos out of order I I had that one.

That's an honor of the mention. You think that's better than Stonehenge? Me saying I watched Sopranos that order. I also had my sock rant down here, but I don't think it can get us from Schoenfeld. Yeah, he's just tuning in like it's the fucking news. Yeah, I saw Sopranos. It was all right. Yeah, I saw that episode.

That was a good one. I didn't love that episode. I didn't know what was going on. That's like Bill on Sal, on the Pappado, Sal was like, he watched the entire season five. of stranger things with his kids and he had never seen an episode before. He's like, this show sucked. I have no idea what's going on. Yeah, no shit.

Oh, that's great. Oh, yeah, the sixth episode I ever watched was probably Pine Barrens. I'm like, so where is this interior? What is this? Are they all are these guys? Yeah. Paulie, we just must like the outdoors. Oh, my God.

Okay, so does that conclude it? I think that concludes it. I think that's it. All righty. What a year it's been? a successful first season of the ringer fantasy football league i would say i got last you guys got what third and fourth mow mal one mal one six got second yeah the first place and last place team both went six and eight that should tell you how and the second place team that says a lot about

first and second one six and eight added it last and then dk and third and fourth went like 11 wins apiece yeah thank you to everybody who was with us along the way this fantasy season thank you to all of our producers. Thank you to Carlos and Kai and Cam and Austin and Ryan and everybody who contributed along the way. Thank you to Christian McCaffrey, our fantasy MVP. Thank you to JSN, who I fell in love with this year. Drake May. Thank you to Drake and I guess. Thank you. Who else we thank? Thank you to everyone who emailed us. Emails at Mike Tomlin. Football at gmail.com. Yeah, we appreciate everyone in our Spotify wrap. Thank you for that. Everyone follows us on Instagram. and bringer fantasy football on everyone in the Discord,

which the episode, the invite to the Discord's in the link. So thank you to everyone there too. Thank you to Cub Buck, jug, Erp, Buzz Nutter, and Fish Brosmer for contributing this season. And most of all,

thank you, Lauren. Lord! Thank you, Guy Lombardo. I searched Aldlong sign, the New Year song, you know, I don't know how I would say that, right?

Da-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-la-ha-ha. Anyway, he was the first guy that came up. I'm sure it's a lot of people have saying that. Wait, his name's Guy Lombardo? That's what I searched it on. Should we add him to the best name of the year list? It's like, it's like moonlight. It's like, wait!

Guy Lombardo won best name! Cool. What's the name of that song? Do we know? Aldlang sign. I think it, I'm probably not saying that correctly. But it's the, it's a New Year's song, as you know it. Happy New Year, guys. Its title means old long since.

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