The Ringer NFL Show - The 2026 NFL Draft Take Purge

Episode Date: April 20, 2026

The Take Purge is back. The guys empty the notebook with their wildest 2026 NFL draft takes: Should prospects tank the combine on purpose, are the Giants headed for disaster, should the Raiders pass on a QB at no. 1, and which sleepers could become stars? Zero accountability, maximum chaos, and the kind of draft brain that hits only in April. (00:00) Intro (03:18) Take Purge (01:13:38) Emails Discord link: https://discord.gg/Ge8bbYHrau Check out The Ringer’s 2026 NFL Draft Guide: https://theringer.com/nfl-draft/2026/big-board#content Email us! [e-mail] Shop Amazon and save the everyday. Visit amazon.com today. The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Austin Gayle, Abou Kamara, Carlos Chiriboga, and Cameron Dinwiddie Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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At the siren, all takes, including things you don't actually believe, will be legal for 60 continuous minutes. No players, coaches, or media members of any kind will be granted immunity. All rational thought, logic, and professional credibility will be suspended. the ringer podcast network thanks you for your participation. May our take God, Chris Sims, be with you all. Welcome to the 2026 NFL draft, Take Purge. We are blessed today by the light of our take God, Chris Sims.

One day he'll join us for this. I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Coralbeck, two men ready to cleanse their souls. Danny Kelly, are you ready to be purified in the light of our takes today? I feel a little bit like what a gladiator must have felt like before they went out into the Coliseum. That's how I feel right now. I'm simultaneously jacked up and scared.

I weirdly have a follow-up to the two things you both just said that makes sense, where I was just in the Dolby Coliseum in Las Vegas. And in the Dolby Coliseum, I saw Phil Sims, the father of our take-od, Chris Sims. Nice. So I literally saw a Sims in a Coliseum in Las Vegas this last year. Very all be specific. Look, we do a lot of draft coverage. and it's too long.

The whole thing takes too long. It's the season ends and there's... That would... I mean, if that is not something I've been harping on for years and years, that would have been a take purge of mine is that the draft should be like March 1st or the day after the combine.

Day after the Super Bowl, it'd be fine. Yeah. And so look, throughout this, the course of this preparation, we're just doing so much research. You're doing so much, you're watching so many players, you're doing all this work,

that the truth is you get a lot of intrusive thoughts, Intrusive takes, if you will, unwanted ideation. And we discovered years ago that the key to all of this really is we have to purge all of these takes. Because you know what? Sometimes the media doesn't let us say the takes you really want to say. Sometimes we're ridiculed for honest opinions. And that's what this episode is for. I think Ben Stiller should really thank us because we kind of invented severance, let's be honest.

Yes. For one hour, we don't know when this horn is about to play, but for one hour, our minds are wiped. We are in the take cage. Oh, it's starting. I don't know who I am outside to take purge, but I'm excited to be inside the take purge. All right, boys, one hour of consequence-free takes. All professional credibility is suspended for the next 60 minutes. To the extent we had any, yes.

I know, I feel like maybe we don't even need the purge anymore. Who knows? There is true. Do we go with age or beauty here? D.K., Craig, who wants to start off here? I'll start out. I'll do it. I'll get the ball rolling.

Wow. Beauty. You want to get something off your chest, D.K.? Here's my take. Here's my take. And I genuinely believe this. Jeremiah Love should have just run slow at the combine on purpose. To go to a worst team?

To go to a better team. I mean, that's what I'm. I'm sorry to go later in the draft. He is too fast for his own good. He is too good for his own good. I'm definitely afraid that we're going to see Jeremiah Love go to a team where his talents are not being properly utilized and he's not going to do anything of note, anything actually important until year six.

What team are talking about, D.K.? God, I mean, like, first of all, Tennessee. Tennessee is like one of the ones that are connected to them. Can you imagine the degradation having to go there? and for four, probably five years at least. God, I just don't want to see that. Arizona, the worst team in the NFL in terms of franchise health and goodness to the players. I don't want to see him go to freaking Arizona.

People were talking about that today. The Giants, I love you, man. But the whole time I've known, the Giants have been fucking terrible. I don't want him to go to the Giants. I don't want him to have the career track of Saquan Barkley. I don't want him to finally do something worthwhile in year six or seven. DK. Yeah.

You've touched on something fascinating. Okay. We have a huge problem in the NBA right now. It's the topic of the season is tanking. Yeah, yeah. And we don't like to see it. We don't want to see teams tank to get a higher draft pick. But what you've just put it in my brain,

something I've never considered before, which is tanking the NFL combine. Players tanking. That's what we need to see. Which is absolutely fascinating. Yeah. You know, oftentimes we see players not finish out the rest of their season because they don't want to get hurt.

because then they would get drafted later. However, if you make it through the season and you're a highly projected pick, you expect, you know, you expect to make a lot of money in your career. So that's not a huge issue, all right? You're betting on yourself, really. You're betting on yourself. You actually, usually guys don't attend to the combine because they're afraid of underperforming. But in reality, they should skip the combine because they're afraid of overperforming

and getting drafted too high. I don't know if that's what you were thinking, but if you were, that's genius. Yes. They need to stop magging other players. Yes. Just be in the background. We learn. Mogging is not doing well right now.

Clavicular is struggling. I mean, he was in the hospital. Yes. He might not be able to stream anymore. I don't know what that means. I don't want to live in a world where clavicular is not streaming. I don't even want to see that future for me or my children. This is fascinating.

Tanking the combine? This is, yeah, tanking on, you know what I mean? Look, they can't. This is the tank purge. They can't admit to it, but maybe just fall down in the 40, you know, have your dick fallout. That worked out for Chris Jones. Yeah. Because it's really good.

Like if Pooka and Kua had ran a 4-3, he would have gotten really high. That's right. 4-6 and the Rams took him. Sean McHa's like, this guy's good. More players, like, Sonny Stiles is going to go to a shitty team. But he should have ran slow and could have got to a good team. Because it's different than not showing up. Because if Jeremiah, I love fake to hamstring.

It's too obvious. And people know how great he is. He needs to legitimately underperform. at the combine so that people lower him down their board. That's fascinating. That's really good. I'd like that you turn that into a semi-serious team. Teams should stop tanking, but players should start.

That's pretty good. Well, and I feel like that will ultimately lead to the end of the combine, which I'm ultimately four, because, you know, it's a long week. Did you want to go, Greg? I have something a little. Do you have a follow-up to that? I have a complete pivot. But then I have somewhat related.

Okay. So, D.K., you're saying that the teams Jeremiah Love could go to are bad. Is that what you're saying? Mm-hmm. Are you including my New York Giants in that? Yeah, yeah. For sure. Okay. Yeah, for sure. It's messed up, man. All right. I do have something I've been wanting to get off my chest. And this is a true take perch. Some of these are things we believe and we're afraid to say. Some of these are though, are like truly like true unwanted ideation. Thoughts have been trying to push to the periphery, but the only way to to get rid of this is to just say it. And I'm going to say, I'm going to leave it behind here at this hour. Okay? You guys ready? Mm-hmm.

I am really worried that the John Harbaugh giants are going to suck and it's going to be catastrophe. Dude, I almost trolled you about this today, like legitimately today. Like, like, I saw an interview with, I believe it was Zay Flowers and, um, I can't remember who he's talking about. I think it was maybe Leonard Farnett or somebody. And on a podcast, and he was talking about how he feels bad for, for the Giants because John,

and he was happy to see John Harbaugh go because part of the reason, a big part of the reason he thinks that they were struggling late in the season so many times in the playoffs is because they were injured because they were doing too many padded practices. He's like too old school.

He's grinding these guys down. They're all injured or hurt or tired by the end of the season. They can't play to their peak performance. Luckily, the Giants don't really have any injury prone players. Right, sure. Their quarterback running back wide receiver are beacons of health.

Anyway, fascinating. Fascinating stuff. Look, first of all, strike one with the Harbaugh thing. To your point, D.K., it's just kind of old. Like, he's an old guy. This is kind of like the Pete Carroll thing all over again. Like, did we learn anything from last year? We're like, Pete Carroll, forced out of this situation where he won a Super Bowl and was there forever

because he's out of touch with the league and can't win. Then he went to the Raiders. We're like, oh, God, an adult in the room, finally. Aren't we doing the same thing with Harbaugh on the Giants? And also, strike two. everyone, unanimously universally is like great job. Which, when does that work? Yeah, I mean, that's probably the smartest.

Big red flag. He is 10 years younger than Pete Carroll. He's not 73. No, he's not 73. And again, I'm excited about this and I want to be. But you know what else? What's Pete Carroll's biological? You're just afraid because like something good happened to the Giants and you don't know

what to do. I am and I am afraid. That's 100% accurate. I'm also a little bit afraid of the staff he's collecting. I know. This is what I was going to say. I feel like we're brushing over or glossing over the fact that the giants, after all the, you know, interviewing everybody to be their OC just brought in Matt Nagy, who the chiefs just were happy to let go. Dude, Andy Reid has been with Matt Nagy forever.

And he was like, you know what? We got to just separate. And you know who else did that? They have Greg Roman, who John Harbaugh had to fire even though they've been friends forever. And then Jim Harbaugh took him in. And then Jim Harbaugh had to fire him because he couldn't. hang on and now he's back with John. And I'm like, it's Matt Nagy and Greg Roman who were forced out by their like long-term

friends. And then Brian Callahan, who I, it's just, I, is Callahan on the staff? He's the quarterback's coach. And he's overqualified. He's a head coach. But it's like, look, and you're like, it's a weird group of guys. And I'm, I'm just, I'm, I'm a little afraid. And also, guess what?

When Joe Shane or Dave Gettelman, draft a running back with the fifth pick, well, everyone makes fun of them. Well, you know what? John Harbo's going to take a running back with the fifth pick. And you know what? I'm a little worried that he, as someone emailed in, he's Mike McCarthy with the gym membership. Hey. Easy.

I'm just saying, like, I'm a little worried. Like, everyone just, I just feel like I get handed all these flowers and medals and congratulations. And I'm the guy in the podium, like biting the medal. And I look down, I'm like, we're going to come in ninth in the NFC. Yeah. And I'm like, I just, I'm a little, whiplash. That's all. All the time that John Harbaugh spending in the gym, McCarthy's crushed.

I know. He's watching every single game in the entire season. He's consuming tape and other things. Okay. You know what I will say, though? The John Harbaugh thing is a floor raiser. The Giants have had one season with a winning record since like 2016. Harbaugh, you might be right, but don't you think at the bare minimum like Harbaugh will make the team competent? And that is the goal. That's what we said with Pete Carroll. Well, let's say Brian Davel had such an awesome offense with the Giants that did a Great job, Jackson Tart.

Man, they just kept blowing all these leads with the Giants. And so that's why they brought in John Harbaugh, who, let's see here, was run out of town by the Ravens because he kept blowing fucking leads. Okay, but aren't you the one who's defended like, it's a Zay Flowers fumble? It's a Tyler Loop missed kick. It's like, it's all these reasons that aren't Harba's fault. They just are unlucky. Happened on his team.

Yeah, no, I'm just saying the two coaches who have blown the most leads the last two years are Brian table and John Harbaugh. That's all. I'm worried. I'm just trying to talk to you guys here. I'll leave this here. I'm never going to bring it up ever again or admit that or acknowledge I said this. Your fear is warranted. I understand. You're afraid. You should be. It's like you just found $100,000 on the ground and you're like, this can't be right. I'm going to get in trouble for this. Someone is, someone is aiming a gun at me. What is the, uh, no country, no country for old men. Guys. He's going to be following me around. That's, that's, that is exactly. That is. Exactly how about with John Harbao.

Wow. Anton Chirga. Yeah, look at this giant's shiny suitcase of money. There's no problem here. So he's Tommy Lee Jones. That's John Harbaugh? Is that you? I don't know.

I don't know either. Okay. That's valid. Buckle up here. Oh, God. Strap in. The Mike Vrabel, Diana Rossini thing was good for the pets. Oh, okay.

I believe that. We talk all the time about, we talk all the time about, how a Super Bowl loss destroys the team. The Pats were already going to be everybody's pick to regress. They were going to be the 20-25 commanders. Oh, the fourth down thing for the commanders. They're going to regress.

And then they did. Vives are horrible. Jane Daniels got hurt. Everybody was right. The Pats are going from an inexplicable, surprisingly successful season. 14 wins with Vrable. They make the Super Bowl. And now everyone's like, well, that's obviously going to regress.

They went from the easiest schedule in the league to now probably one. one of the hardest, a first place schedule. Now, you have a distraction. Now, you have a much-needed distraction after a perfectly perfect season. All of a sudden, you're an underdog again. You're galvanizing force. They're coming from your coach.

You have adversity. You know what I mean? Now you can rally behind Mike Vrable and you know who can sympathize with getting caught cheating? Athletes. Wow. This is like a galaxy brain.

Now, no. Doesn't even explain it. Now, this is an impossible season. This is an insurmountable hurdle. They are no longer the team that needs to win 14 games again. It's like, oh, my God, can this team do anything? Are they going to break? Now they're back where they were a year ago.

Okay. I'm trying to unpack this because I feel like losing a Super Bowl is already kind of like hard on a team. But it wasn't a must-win game. We talked about this. The Super Bowl for the Patriots was not a must-win game. Yeah. Now the expectations that they set. I think they're much lower now because of this, and that's ultimately a good thing.

That I can see. That I can see 100%. It lowers, it lowers expectations, takes the pressure off a little bit. It called it E4. There's this random thing where they're like, you know how to put out an oil fire? Stut a bigger fire. It's like, look over there. This is diabolical, Craig.

Like, even for the take purge. Yeah, that's good. I kind of believe it. That's hard. it. Anyway. By the way, and they're going to

trade for A.J. Brown soon. Yeah, fuck yeah. Oh, I have something related to that, actually. Okay. I've thought about this a lot,

and I'd rather trade for Jeff Stoutland than A.J. Brown. Can you do that? I guess. What's his deal? You can trade coaches, right? I know, but I thought he was...

He quit. He's under contract for a year, right? He quit. Yeah, he quit because he hates Nixiriani and they can't work together, but he's under contract. And I'd actually, if I'm like a late first-round pick,

like the Patriots, you have the 31st, pick. I think the Patriots should actually trade for Jeff Stoutland before they trade for a year. I'd rather get the 30s pick for the coach than they, that's not, is that even, is that like a dark, deep, dark thought or is that just a good idea? No, no.

Well, I'm like, you trade for a 64 year old coach? Okay, cool. Who's going to make the offense better? Jeff Stoutland, who, again, just like orchestrated the Eagles pulling offensive linemen out of their ass for 15 years or like AJ Brown. He's going to be like 29. Jason Kelsey is a sixth round pick and he's going to go to the Hall of Fame. And Jordan Mila, I'd never played fucking football

and he's a top five left tackle. I'm like, give me Jeff Stoutland. He's clearly more important to it too. I go back and forth on like who I'd rather, would I rather be the team acquiring AJ Brown or the team getting rid? I still don't really know. Right.

There's not a very good answer on that. No, I can't. AJ Brown is both extremely underrated because of the last year. Like I think AJ Brown's way better. I also am just kind of dubious. I don't know. I don't know who's trading for him.

Because like every, every possibility seems totally, like, reasonable, like, of what could happen. Like, he could go to the Pats and have 1,400 yards and 12 touchdowns. And I'd like, yeah, I can see that. Or he could, like, get hurt and getting a fight with his teammates and, like, mail in the season. And, like, he's, like, not in a league in two years. I don't know. But don't you think that when A.J. Brown gets traded and then they play the little highlights on television, you're like, oh, yeah, right. He's so good.

Of course. Like, like, like, pop quiz. Do you know how many games Trey Hendrickson played last year? Seven. Okay. Well, when he signed with the Ravens, everyone's like, wow, God, fucking geniuses. His Ravens flip Crosby for Trey Hendrickson. He barely played last year.

Yeah. But then you signed the guy goes to a new team, and everyone's like, genius. Like, I can't tell. Is it as simple as the Eagles literally didn't throw to A.J. Brown and J. J.L. Hurtz pretty much just wasn't throwing to A.J. Brown. And Drake May, who is a much more diverse skill set throwing the ball will just obviously throw to AJ Brown way more all over the field and he'll be happy and everything will be roses. I kind of think it is that simple actually. Yeah. I do too. It's like Josh Allen getting Stefan

Dick. It's like, oh yeah, right. That was good. Yeah. That leads to my next take related to the Eagles. I think the Eagles should draft Ty Simpson. Yeah. Okay. Start preparing. Quarterback factory. Bama. Ty Simpson waited his turn. Jalen Hertz got there. Bama, waiting his turn. And Ty Simpson can sit there. Iron. sharpens iron man sharpens man churns can get benched for another Alabama quarterback yes as time is a flat circle as the prophecy foretold

god damn right another noodle armed Alabama quarterback no I'm kidding he doesn't have a noodle arm um well there's something there um one of my takes was basically a tie simpson related thing it's and it's simply I refuse to be gaslit that Ty Simpson

is a first round quarterback I'm sorry he has 15 starts in his career which is like enough for me to say no, I'm not doing that. And he's small and he was hurt for half the year. And as High Fitz likes to point out, I don't know if this is factual, but it's definitely something people are saying.

Many people are saying this. He left for the pros because Alabama just wanted to start his backup anyway next year. They kicked him out. They have a quarterback competition and Ty Simpson might have come in third. I don't know if that's true, but I'm going to choose to believe it's true for this.

And by the way, who are the two teams in the last week? And we know that rumors start to really heat up in this time of year. Who are the two teams, the chorus of team and that are connected to Ty Simpson right now. The two teams are Arizona. And I think Daniel Jeremiah said today, it's all but a given that Tyson is going to end up in Arizona. And then the jets. Good luck, buddy.

But they're not saying, obviously not Arizona taking him at three. It's that they're going to trade back to him. Coming back into the first or, you know, early in the second. Yeah. The point you made, the funny thing about Ty Simpson, too, is the charitable. interpretation of Ty Simpson's season is he was so horrific in November and December, just abominable because he was hurt. But he was hurt because he hurt his back and then had to take pain pills and his stomach

lighting eroded and basically lost like 12 to maybe almost, almost 20 pounds during the season because he couldn't really digest anything, which at least he has half a season of good tape at most, but also doesn't really have anyful caliber stomach lining. Doesn't have the intestinal fortitude, if he does not have the intestinal fortitude. Like if you're telling me, he's a small guy who can't take pain pills, that's also a problem at the NFL level. You're going to have to eat a lot of uncrustables at the NFL level. You need to be able to withstand that. He needs the peanut butter and jelly on the lining.

Yeah, exactly. You got to get that down your esophagus. I have a follow up kind of in the quarterback class category. Okay. Which is that part of me thinks, not. all of me. Like this is a real like intrusive thought I just had one time where I'm like maybe the Raiders should trade out of the first pick. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'm kind of like Are they ready? The quarterback class is bad. This is a bad quarterback class. And like maybe you

don't have to take Mendoza just because he's the only decent one available. You know what I mean? It's like it feels like it feels like it. It feels like an arranged marriage. between the Raiders and Mendoza where it's like, I guess. Just go home and crank one out. You'll feel better in the morning. Kind of. I'm like, look. You just got Clint Kubiak.

Like, settle in a little bit. You know what I mean? Don't make a bad decision. Next year the quarterbacks are going to be great. Like, maybe give it a year. It's like, we don't think Fernando Mendoza is Drake May or Jaden Daniels or Caleb Williams. Like a lot of people think he's closer to the Bo Nix Michael Pennix camp. So it's like, okay, don't take him.

There's been reports that people have been interested in the first. pick, maybe trade it away. Do you really want to just be like, yeah, we'll take Kirk Cousins. We're just going to get Kirk Cousins. Maybe, maybe not. Just a thought. Capitalize and sell high right now. Yeah.

I don't know. Do you guys, does any part of you think like, because there are certain drafts where the first quarterback taken is more because there's no one else than there is because they are, they have the talent of the first overall pick. Does that ever cross your mind? Like, I think it's like 50-50, probably. You know what I mean? in terms of like how many quarterbacks that go first overall in your mind have the talent of a first

overall pick that's a good question i think it's probably 25 percent or something like that you know what i mean especially if you look at drafts there's been a handful recently where i think it's very much warranted like Caleb jaden and drake may probably all could have been the number one if they had been spread out they probably would have each been first overall picks totally drafts. But then you go back over the years and I think the quarterback position pushes guys up for sure. Like those three guys if they were dropped into 2023 would all go ahead of C. Gstrand and Bryce Young. Yeah. And they would all go ahead of Cam Ward. And they would all go ahead of Fernando Mendoza. It's kind of crazy thinking that Bryce Young was the first overall pick at his size.

That was weird. Yeah. Wait, that happened, right? Yeah. That was a thing. Yeah. It's crazy. Trout. This is a very fascinating thought experiment though, Craig, because I think you're absolutely right that I think general consensus is he's not a quote unquote first overall pick type player. I'm like, oh, you're settling. He might end up being the next Joe Burrough for all we know. Of course.

He could be Tom Brady. Right. But, you know. I feel like Mendoza is a hall of famer. I think he's going to win multiple superiors. Is that your take? I think, yeah. The way, just everything we know about him, like his personality.

I'm like, yeah, I can see this. Dude, people keep saying this is a bad draft. Meanwhile, I'm like, I think Fernando Mendoza is a hallfamer. Jeremiah loves a hallfamer. I think, honestly, Caleb Downs is a hallfamer. And I think, honestly, another one of the top eight, top ten pick. I do. I think Caleb Downs a hallfamer, loves a hallfamer.

Keep in mind that a year ago, Hyfitt said that Travis Hunter was going to be the greatest player in the history of the NFL. Yeah, can't call to come back. You know what? We were not supposed to talk about that, Craig. Right. I have no recall. Well, no, in the take purge,

the only, the only outside knowledge I have is of other take purges. It's like your drunk memory. This is my iny. My inny only knows other purges. Yeah, yeah, because that was just yesterday.

It felt like, you know? Yeah. My any is just like, you know what? I was dead right when I said that fucking saying, God bless you after you sneeze is ridiculous. I still feel that way. Yeah.

Oh, you're going to make everyone else feel better because I sneeze. It's like just, that's insane. Say, excuse me. That's where we left off. Who else? Didn't we open, we opened last year's Take Perch saying that Travis Hutter was just going to play one side of the field and be fine. Craig was like the easiest trade out in the history of tradeouts.

Yeah, I love it. Yeah, I was like just absolutely sell high. Why the hell wouldn't you? And then the Browns did. The hit rate on this episode in the past is shockingly high. Yeah, it's weirdly high. So you kid, do you have any of the purge? I've got a few here.

These are less like crazy things and more just stuff I've been pondering. This one is Mike comes as a. surprised you guys because we haven't talked about him a whole lot. But I think Max Claire, the tight end from Ohio State is going to be the next Tray McBride slash Sam Laporta type of player. He got lost in the shuffle this last year for Ohio State because he was playing alongside Jeremiah Smith and Carnal Tate. But if you looked at what he was doing at Purdue in 2024, the year before, and he was a

featured part of this offense, to me, he looked like a Tray McBide type player. You run after the catch, strong hands. really explosive speed to beat guys in yards after the catch, toughness, body control, acceleration. He has all the traits on tape. And then this year, this last year, he just wasn't like as big part of the thing. And obviously I understand that he's going to be with good players in the NFL.

And but I do think like any tight end where they land is going to matter. And if he can land in a system where they're going to feature him in the offense, I think he could put up big time numbers. I love that take. And I actually don't think Kenyon Sadiq will ever outscore Max Clear in fantasy See, that's where I was thinking about going there. I think basically what I'm saying is I think Claire is going to be the most productive tight end in this class in fantasy.

Anytime D.K. Has a feeling like this. I usually trust him. It usually is correct. It's usually correct. I think you're right, D.K. I don't think Kenyon Sadiq's even the best tight end in Oregon. And I think Max.

I know. That's like everybody was like, yeah, talking about the guy that he played with. So yeah, I think Max Claire is a name to keep in mind for leagues, especially tight and heavy, tight and premium leagues because I don't know, man. I just think physical makeup and athleticism right after they catch toughness. You know, it's funny, D.K., another thing that happens sometimes,

it's a mix of people watching tape and then you talk to coaches and stuff and all these people do the industry. And half the problem for Max Clare is that he's on Ohio State and at best he's like the 14th guy that gets brought up. Right.

Like there are so many players on Ohio State the last two years that you could talk to Ryan Dave for like an hour and he might not even come up. Can I ask a, this is just a random question that popped in my head because I think obviously the response would be like, if he couldn't be featured in his college offense,

why would he be featured in the NFL? How many NFL teams have better receivers than Cardinal Tate and Jeremiah Smith right now? Oh, six at the most. Like what number of teams would have a better receiver duo than those two guys, I wonder. I think you're right. It's probably like six or seven.

I mean, the Eagles, and they're trying to break it up and the Bengals, and that's the only ones I can say like 100%. Like Jeremiah Smith is probably going to be, apart from quarterbacks, the top ranked player in the draft, maybe the first overall pick next year. And then Cardinal Tate looking like a top five pick, pretty fucking good. So anyways, that's just the thought I had.

The more I watched him, and I went back and watched him again the other day, just because I was clear, not your ex-clear. Yes. Jeremiah Smith's awesome too. But just watching Max-Clear just the way he moves. It really reminds me of those guys, the Leporta-Migbride-style players. Can I stay? I want to stay at Ohio State for a moment. part of me kind of thinks that Sunny Stiles is just going to get drafted by the wrong team and be pretty mid.

I like this actually. That's good. People are tantalized by his measurables, but he needs to be in like a perfect Mike McDonald-esque system to be deployed correctly. And I feel like some idiotic team is just going to be like, he jumped really high and he has a cool name and they'll take him like in the top six and then he'll kind of just be pretty average. It's like, oh, it's cool when a defensive back is big, but now it's like, oh, he's a linebacker that might be a little bit thinly framed. And the Bengals might just take him and Derek Henry will just fucking run right through him.

This is good. This is what I'm, this is what this is for. It's like, because I remember prior to the draft, he had some hype, or sorry, prior to the combine. He had a good amount of hype. But then when he came out of the combine, it was like, holy shit. If you look at any mock in February,

he was not a top 10 player. And many mocks, was not a top 15 player. And then the same thing happens that always does. It's these measurable, right? He jumps. He has a 43 and a half inch vertical. He runs really fast. All that stuff happens and then everyone's like, actually, should he go third? And I don't know, maybe the initial projections were right. But I more think that it's like he's not going to fit on every team. And if the wrong team takes him, he's going to get screwed because this, you know, this is a linemen are getting bigger. Teams are running more. And if he's on the wrong team in the wrong position,

he might just be pretty average. What team are you talking about, Craig? Not saying any names. Not saying any names. Name a team. Name a team. Name a team. Name a woman.

In the top six, Arizona, Tennessee. Yeah. That ain't for the wrong teams? This is how I feel about a lot of tweener players. High Fitz. I feel like the tweener defensive players that kind of don't have a real position in college or like maybe a position that doesn't translate exactly to the pros. are similar to quarterbacks in some ways

because when you get drafted highly by a team that's taking you in the top five, top eight, top seven, or whatever, you run into the same problem as the quarterbacks that have that happen to them where after one year the coach is gone, then a new guy comes in, now they want you to gain 15 pounds

and play off the ball or now they want you to whatever, I think it'd be the opposite, gain 15 pounds and then play on the ball. Lose 10 pounds and play just line, or whatever. And then you get lost in the shuffle along the way as the team, as the new regime starts taking guys that they want to play. And you see this happen all the time with, with quarter, where it's like, oh, God, I'm on my fourth offensive coordinator now.

But it does happen with defensive players, too, where these tweeners that need a little bit of development or don't have a very clear trajectory in the NFL, because we're saying the same thing about Arvel Reese where it's like, okay, where do you play them? Is he an offball linebacker or a pass rusher? I couldn't agree more. And so not that I think this is going to happen to these players, because I think they're supremely talented with Arvel Reese and Sonny Stiles. They're both supremely talented, obviously. But Craig, you bring up a great point because landing spot is going to be important for any of these guys. I couldn't agree more.

What is the hit? Arvel Reese in particular, what is the hit rate on guys who could be like, oh, he could be anything? And it's like usually you don't know to do it. And it's like your imagination. He could be anything, even nothing. Exactly. And Arval Reese, I think two things are true. He's the best defensive prospect in the draft.

even with my beloved Caleb Downs. And I also think he will not have a good rookie contract because our vote is going to be drafted by the Jets. Aaron Glenn's going to exactly what you just said. They're going to try to make him be a defensive end and in the ground. And then he's going to get fired. And then Arvote, I mean, he's a,

yeah, Aaron Glenn's lame's up. Three years are cooked right there. I really do think that happens all the time. But like if you go back, this has happened so many players. I'm worried. I'm definitely worried.

I think that's a good call. anything else in the Ohio State guys nope I have a coach related one is it Mike Vrabble related I'm ready to keep going on that oh no you got more Vrabble no no just if you wanted to

but if not that's okay I have no I got one so Viking said coach Kevin O'Connell Where's this going Former Aztec Everyone thinks Kevin O'Connell is a quarterback whisperer

Kevin O'Connell is not a quarterback whisperer He's just hot Is this a a good fit or is he just hot? It's just a very attractive, tall man. That's it. So why is him being hot? How does that help Sam Darnold play better?

Sam Darnold just won a Super Bowl without him. He's good. Sam Darnold's just good. Sam Darnel's just good. What about all the other guys? From Kyle Shanahan. You know what happened? You know who was a good quarterback whisper? Great Yudinsky. Who was working for Kevin O'Connell. You know where he played last? You know who he coached last year? The Jaguars.

You know who played great down the stretch? Trevor Lawrence. You know who played like ass? all the quarterbacks and the Vikings. Grant Udinski was the brains in Minnesota. Kevin O'Connell's a pretty face. Oh my God. I loved the incredible amount of just assumptions being made here. That's great.

And yet, it's like Sherlock Holmes level deduction. You see, you see he has a little bit of a tan line on his wrist, and therefore he was in the French Riviera last March. Behind every great coach is a, behind every, Hot great coach is a ugly play caller who really pulls the string. That's what you're saying. Just a Creighton. With that said, I don't know

what Grant Udinski looks like. So maybe he's handsome. It doesn't look like Kevin O'Connell. Oh, okay. I'll tell you that. Kevin O'Connell has a great jaw. I'll give him that. He's all his jaw. And because he's tall, all you look at is the jaw. Former quarterback. Yeah. I'm just saying, Kyler Marie, like, Vikings might even start hot

because Kyler Murray starts hot. I'm just saying we're going to convince ourselves five weeks in because the Vikings are going to start 4-1 or 5-0 that Kevin O'Connell did it again. And it's going to be like every Kyler-Murie season ever, which is they're going to just completely fade in December and January, just completely fade. It's going to be like everything else.

There is a lot of hype for Minnesota. I do feel like 10 wins is like the floor. Like I feel like that is needed for the season to not be considered a disappointment, which is a lot of pressure. That's great. By the way, Grant Udinski, he has nice hair, good hair. Does he?

Let me pull it up. Which Kevin O'Connell thinning a little bit. He looks great in a hat. Oh, a year from now, a year from now, Kevin O'Connell, Shine's going to come off. Grant Yudinsky, shines going to come off. Oh, he's not a bad-looking guy. It's like play-moving hair. It's pretty impressive.

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21 plus select states or 18 plus D.C., Kentucky or Wyoming. gambling problem call 1 800 gambler call 1 888 789 777 or visit ccpg.org slash chat in connectica all right what else you got want me to go please de angelo pawns is the best cornerback in this class fuck yeah he's going to be the best cornerback in this class and i don't even think i don't even know if he's going to be a first round pick he's 5 9 180 pounds typically those guys don't go in the first round typically not sometimes maybe but not usually. But if you look at everything about him from production,

the way he plays, like tenacity, he's turned up to 11 on every single play. He gets his teammates fired up. He has incredible instincts in coverage. He's super tough, super dependable, versatile, can play outside,

can play in the slot, probably can play safety if he wanted, instinctive in coverage. He reads the quarterback's eyes, jumps routes, ball production. It's all there. He plays above his weight class

in terms of his toughness and physicality at the catch point. You only give him one touchdown in coverage. The only thing that's holding him back, he's like the Russell Wilson of fucking cornerbacks. The only thing that's holding him back is he's short. I think he's going to be awesome in the NFL. I want to just co-sign this. I want everything Dekis said to just be like Michael Scott.

It's like Danny Kelly. Yeah, yeah. I don't know, man. He's just fun to watch. And I just like the way he plays. I think that translates to the NFL. I understand he's not very big. But I think he makes up for it with everything else he does.

I do think you have a great read on underside. prospects who will outperform their grade. Like people like Devon A-chan, like I feel like you have a good sense of guys who are undersized and if they'll actually be okay in the NFL. Yeah, the A-chan one. I mean, he's got a defensive version of this because I think people were talking about A-chan, he's going to be have to switch to receiver or something because he's too small. But Pons, I mean, the way he moves is different. So what about Keonté Scott? He's up there too, man. Yeah. Part of me just wants to be the Kianti Scott's going to be the defensive rookie the year. He's the 20, he's going to be 25 year old rookie as a cornerback for Miami.

And he can't really cover, which is an insane thing to say about a quarterback safety, whatever he's going to play. But I just look at Kianti Scott. I'm like, he's the fastest player I've ever seen that loves tackling and loves run defense. He's the, I've never seen a four three player that like a legit four three speed that loves tackling. If I could only, if I only had one question to ask a defensive prospect in a meeting, I think it might be do you love tackling. Yeah, totally.

Because if somebody even hesitates for a second, I drop them down on my board. Oh, 100% Craig. I completely agree. There's guys in college when you watch their tape, they're like, they just, they look a little aloof or something. They're just not,

they're not as intense and connected and like, conflict avoid it. Yeah, it's like, I kind of refer to them. I don't know if this is a term or not, but like pile watchers, the guys that just kind of like run over and then watch the other guys tackle. Kind of lean on it at the end.

Yeah, they're like, you know, they're doing their part. Like, they put their hand on it. But I, to me, the guys that, the famous scouting term is they like, they can stick their face in the fan. They just want to fucking tackle. They want to go down in there and frigging hit somebody. And those are the guys generally speaking out. Sometimes they don't have very long careers, but they're awesome in the NFL because they're

just so willing to, and they love hitting and they love ball. didn't you say can't say Scott was like living in the weight room or something he lived in the fucking facility by the field i want that guy in my team he learned that practice when he was broke and had no money but then he got an n i'll deal for hundreds of thousand dollars and was like fucking i just bought it near matches i'm gonna live in the Miami facility he went to sleep every night staring at ed reeds's fucking jersey hanging in the rafters he's like i just want to look at that and he just woke up and he just was like this way i'm always here but he had money where's he going to go in this draft dk how high well probably

day two. I don't, I don't think he'll be a first rounder just because he's older. Old cornerback, speed based is like speed gets drafted, but old cornerbacks don't get paid. And so I have no idea. I think he'll be a second or third or third rounder.

I don't think he'll follow the fourth. I would, I would guess. Relatedly, if you guys anything to add to this, I'm curious, I had, I just wrote,

as a take, Birch, I just wrote a list of players who will not be good. Oh, okay. all we talk about this is actually, we should do this every year.

Every year. All we talk about this whole fucking draft process is this guy's good, this guy's good, this guy's good. And then at the end of the draft counting like 100 players

so the fucking guys, they're all good. Before I did my top 100 hyphids, but yeah, this is fine. Tell me now. I'm just saying like, you pull up any draft.

A third of them are not good. I know, it's crazy. So I just figured I'd save us all some time. I'll tell you guys ahead of time. It's not going to be good. Okay. So, I mean,

Ty Simpson, quarterback, obviously. I goes without saying he's a free space of course Kenyon Sadiq he's not he's fine I've seen a thousand of him He's literally the fastest tight end of all time That fucking sucks We've seen a million of these guys He'll be fine he's a first round pick

Please I please Again Jamaraj a year from now we're gonna be like Well Jamari Johnson was always better as a tight end At Oregon and Sadiq Tackle to this conversation we just had Caleb Lomu from Utah Someone's gonna take him in the first round Caleb Lomu has everything you can want

in an offensive lineman except doesn't love hitting people This take is good He doesn't like hitting people He well he likes it Doesn't love it Kind of the only part of the job that really matters Was loving hitting people

Doesn't have that Similarly, Caden Proctor Huge Fast Doesn't like hitting people I not If you're it's like There's one problem happy

If you're so big and so strong And so fast Why the fuck Aren't you better at blocking? I mean, that's a valid question. Caleb Banks, Florida defensive tackler, he's going to be going in the second round. He hurt his foot twice in one year.

No fucking shot. There's no fucking shot. He's 350 pounds. Zachari Branch, receiver from Georgia, sucks. Unbelievably terrible take. The worst receiver I've ever seen that will be drafted in the first two rounds,

hands wise. I've never seen a worst receiver of the football. How many drops did he have this last year? Who knows? Because they just thrown him behind the line of scrimmage. Can I catch of this? He had two drops. A 2.4 drop rate.

Two point four percent. One of the lowest drop rates of any receiving. They were handoffs. He was like carcats. He's still got to catch these swing passes, all right? He can catch the ball. By the way, let me sneak my purge in here because you're going to step on it. Zechariah Branch can catch.

That's my take. Because you've been saying, I literally wrote this. I want to share my doc with you. Zacharii Branch can catch. High Fitz says, he can't, but I say he can't. I say he can. Okay, cool. He can catch.

So then why does he suck? He doesn't suck. He led the SEC and catches. Behind the line of scrimmage. I mean, look, this is like saying why they give Christian McCaffrey a lot of carries? Because he's good. That's what they did with Zachari Branch because it was useful and it was working when he was catching those passes. Sorry, too busy winning. Yeah, it was too busy fucking taking these things and averaging eight yards after the catch.

All right, would you take him with the Sealks with the 30 second pick? well, let's not get ahead of ourselves. It's tricky because it's like saying Blake Griffin can't shoot because all he does is dunk. And you're like, yeah, but it works. Why would he do anything else? That's like if you're the offensive coordinator, do you want to have points?

If you're offensive coordinator, do you want to have the quarterback throw it eight yards over your receiver or just give the ball to Zach Branch and let him run eight yards? He averaged eight yards after the catch. That actually, I wish I'd come up to take I just did, which is you called him Zach Branch. Zach Branch would never have been,

the number one in high school. Zachariah Branch. There's all name being Zachariah. It's why he was raised alive. It does a lot. Zachary Branch can catch. I have it ran down. Correct.

I have one. Okay. Oh, sorry. No, keep going. Do you have more bad players? Do you have more players? Do you have more? Cassius Howell, his arms are short.

He's got no shot. I love this. This is actually a 19-inch arms. My fucking tailored. My arms are longer than Cassius' owl. He's got no chance. Fair. But yeah, I'm good.

This is actually really fun Here's a list You gotta like pull out One of those scrolls And read it Like all these players are gonna be terrible Like we like have a trumpet Next to him as he reads it

Put on your little specs Just save us all some time Yeah That's good All right Craig, What do you got? I keep having this thought That Fernando Mendoza is just gonna

completely embrace Las Vegas And he'll be dating a super bottle buddy in the next year He's gonna do the I just think The man we see as Fernandoz I know Mendoza today is going to change. And he's going to love being famous.

He's going to love Las Vegas. He's going to be at nightclubs at the Bellagio. And he's going to be dating like Addis and Ray in 12 months. Honestly, I was Sidney-Sweeney's dating Scooter Braun now. And I was kind of thinking Mendoza might slide in the DMs. No, because Mendoza is 23, not 43. And I think that's a big key for Sidney for some reason. But I'm...

43, you say, huh? D.K. It's an interesting number that you threw out. Well, hey, shoot or shoot. Just because there's a goalie doesn't mean you can't score. His name is Scooter, not Shooter. That's right. You know, I saw, did you guys see Fernando Mendoza on the cover of Esquire?

Yeah, yeah. Looking all swanky and sexy. Just dripping in sex. Yeah, I'm like, this fucking guy's going to be dating some star and he's going to love it. I mean, he wants to be Tom Brady. Yeah. Tom Brady was married to Giselle Bunchett. Tom Brady was dating a supermodel by 2004.

Tom Brady was dating Bridget Moynihan by 2004. We've all seen the picture of him at the combine. Yeah, that's pretty good. That's a pretty good take. Is he going to be indebted to some, like, casino after, like, the first year, he's going to owe, like, $17 million. He's going to look at Justin Herbert and be like,

give me one of them big ones. That seems like a great life. Give me one of them. This is a really good take. He's going to love being famous. He's going to love Vegas. Kirk Cousins isn't going to work? No.

Bringing Kirk Cousin in as his moral compass is not going to work. It's going to be dragging the most. Mendoza's not even going to be hung over when Kirk Cousins brings him to the church. Mendoza's going to still be drunk. He's going to love the sphere, nightclubs. It is intoxicating. Yeah. Literally and figuratively.

It's good thing. Craig did just get home from Vegas. So, yeah, here's one. Jonah Coleman is going to be the only other productive running back in this class. And this is more like a fantasy thing. I'm not sure that Jadarian Price is a real player. I think he's like an industry plant. I don't really know much about him.

Don't think he's going to be anything in the NFL. Dwain McFarland, sorry, Mike Washington. I saw this from Joyne McFarland, who does great work over at My Fantasy Life. And he has three closest comps in the supermodel to Mike Washington. Isaac Arendo, Israel, Abonaconda, and Isaiah Pacheco. Gah, frickin' brutal. Frickin brutal.

The Penn State guys both suck. And Coleman is a dog. What about Eli Hydenreich who we haven't talked about? He's going to be a slot receiver. He's not even a running back. The White Navy running back. Yeah, he's a receiver. I mean, it's going to be tough.

One of the Penn State quarterbacks literally played in the 1990s, so it's going to be hard for him to succeed. Running back. That was the funniest thing of a receiver. Did we figure what happened with that? He put some of the photo like 40 years ago. Adam Schaefter. Adam Schifter tweeted out something about Nick.

Citron Allen? We're recording this Friday. No, it was Nick Singleton. He tweeted something about Nick Singleton, like, healing up and being ready to work out and being cleared physically. And then he included a picture. It was legitimately at least a minimum 30-year-old picture. It's from before cricket I were bored. And I don't know how you could possibly.

We narrowed it down to two possible running backs from the 1990s at Penn State. I'm like, this is like tweeting out a picture of the Baws and being like, our Mason Thomas is ready for his workouts at Oklahoma's pro day. It's like, what are we doing? It's a masterclass by second. I have to say. The memes were incredible. Yeah, he crushed it. Anyway.

Yeah, Jonah Coleman. I have an off-season related one. All right, please. I don't know if I've ever discussed this with you, but it's something I've always felt. I think that the Super Bowl is the worst Sunday of the NFL season. Okay. That's the opposite of what they're hoping, Craig.

It's right. The inverse. I think it is the worst championship of any sport by a mile. Um, really? Yeah. I think it sucks at you wait two weeks. I think the wind and the sales of the season is gone. There's way too much expectation.

More often than not, the game is a disappointment because you've been waiting so long for it. I can make an argument for every Sunday just being straight up more enjoyable. Usually the Super Bowl, you're in the worst sports viewing environment of the year, surrounded by people who never watch the game. Football basically feels like. Talking during the game so they can hear the commercials. Yeah. Half the people there want to watch the commercials. between the game. Football basically

already feels over. You're kind of sad. I don't look forward to it. You're losing money. The Steelers are never in it. That too. Plus, we watch D.K. Watch his team in the Super Bowl. He didn't even have a good time. They won't. He wasn't that happy. I've never once had a good time during a Seahawks game. I had a good time once it was over. Craig, I think this is a phenomenal take. I just don't think it's that good of a Sunday.

Super Bowl parties are awful. Awful. You show up a weekend. eight, I'm having more fun that Sunday than the Super Bowl. Week eight. Yeah, 100%. We made him like, ooh. Oh, we got Cowboys Packers on Sunday night. There's more intrigue.

My fantasy team still has hope. Yeah. I think, yeah. No, this is pretty good. It's the Super Bowl. No, but he's kind of right, though. Even so even the finality of it, because like most of the other sports have series. And that's like a game one is whatever.

Yeah. That's right. I mean, a baseball world series going to game six or seven? Fantastic. NBA, awesome. The last round of the Masters? Fucking great. Super Bowl?

It's okay. It's good. I can't pick that many holes in it because I agree with you the way that it feels during the Super Bowl. It's like kind of anticlimactic a little bit in a way. The giddiness I feel waking up on week one versus the dread on Super Bowl Sunday. Plus it starts so late in the day. Same reason football's so popular, which is the finality of the importance of each game, you're right. Like by the time you get to the Super Bowl, it's more like the death of something.

Yeah, I think you're right. I think it's a funeral. It doesn't help either that it's been like the same five teams in the Super Bowl every year. The last two have sucked. I'm just like, yeah. It also feel like we actually have been living up to it. We've been kind of like dancing into a purge this entire season, which is watching your teams is horrible. Like watching sports kind of sucks.

Like, when it's your team? When your team is playing well and playing in important games, it's not really fun at any point. It's dreadful. It's horrific. It's also very isolating because everybody else hates you for being stressed. Because they're like, come on, dude, your team's good. Yeah, cry more.

And you have to be like, you don't get it, which they don't. But they also are making a good point. DK's watching the Seahawks in the Super Bowl. They're winning by 20. And we're like, can we make content? He's like, no. He's like, get that camera out of my funny alone. They're like up 19 in the fourth and he's still holding his breath.

Yeah. It's tough. It's a miserable experience. He said they have like the eighth best vibes this off season, you know? You want the fucking Super Bowl. D.K. never even really enjoyed it at any point. We were within the entire time. No, he's like, Belichick.

He's like, we're so behind on scouting. We have the last pick in the draft. It's 100% true. I'm like, I got to fucking pay attention to the Super Bowl. I'm behind on my big board. Yeah. Craig, that's a great take. I think that's the clubhouse leader.

Super Bowl kind of sucks. That is interesting. Now I'm going to be thinking about this all year. We need a Super Bowl to save the Super Bowl. Yeah, we need... Put it in this fear. Do something interesting. Yeah, to make it fun.

Something's kind of related to this. Not quite the same thing, but similar. Everyone keeps pitching about this 18 game season. I can't wait. It's going to be awesome. No. Come on. No.

Everyone's like, get out. 18 game. games. It's going to be sick. Shut the fuck up. You want the 18 week two by, the 20 week season you're in? It's going to be awesome and I can't believe what's pretending. What's going to be cool? Why is that better than what we have now? It's going to be better. Why?

It's another week better than the Super Bowl. It might as well be adding a Super Bowl. It's just better just because it is. It's going to be good. The second buy. I mean, rest is good. That's what they're telling the NFLPA right now. Tell us why this is better. And everyone's like, well, players.

safety we can't it's one more fucking game it's fine yeah big deal you ever watch the wildcard round and be like this is the line this is too much like come on it's 18 games it's fine it's gonna be great because i said so yes i do think there's something to the schedule changing slightly in the playoffs and having the super bowl week where you have a monday off could be cool adding one more game maybe that's the amount of buys is just that's better is that how the super bowl gets better is you don't you just get blacked out you get hammer drunk i guess people are going to do that a lot of people get fun of me because i was saying that like um not everyone have work off on president's day which is a fair point but then i felt crazy it was like it is a federal holiday

people do have public schools are off on president's day but i forgot like it who have no depends what job you have whether that actually happens but schools are off in president's day sometimes you have to speak in generalities you know to be honest though i mean who are we kidding it's not like people don't drink on Sundays. Isn't the Super Bowl like the most alcohol consumed in America? People are still having a good time even though they're working the next day. I imagine that it would be... But it's Sunday Scaries.

It's hard to enjoy a Sunday Scaries. That's, oh, should we try drinking? Yeah, but drinking, that drinking on a Sunday makes you even more paranoid because you're like, damn, I'm going to be hung over at work. It depends when you stop. But yeah. You got to power through that part. No, I completely agree. Sunday is just like a bad day of the week.

I much prefer. A Thursday to me is just way better than a Sunday. Sunday's hell on earth. Craig, I saw somebody and I'm going to apologize

for not crediting where this game from. The Lord's Day is a hell day. Sure, keep going deep. I actually, yeah, I agree with that.

The reason I thought of this is, so I saw this, a guy posited that if you look at life, like every week is just trying to win a seven game series. So, you're just trying to win four games in a week.

You're just trying to win four days in a week. Monday? Sunday or Monday? Yeah, Sunday, Monday, automatic L. Schedule loss. Exactly. Friday and Saturday are wins. So now it really just comes down.

Yeah, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. Can you get a win out of one of those three games? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or two, you need two out of three. Can you take one on the road? Yeah. You know what I mean? Can you get a W on the road?

Is really all it comes down to. It's really a three game series. It's really Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. And I'm sorry for whoever said that because it's brilliant, but I don't credit you on this. But yeah, I saw that. I was like, man, that changed my life right there. Just going to win this week.

I think we should do, unless you guys have any more good football-related purges, do you want to do a few like just general purge, purge your soul of other general takes? I have a couple football ones. Do you guys have any else, Craig? Yeah. No, I was workshopping like Will Howard will be the best first-year quarterback in the league next year, but I couldn't get there. I couldn't get there.

Not even in the purge. You know, it's funny. One of mine was going to be Mike McCarthy, Steelers will be exactly the same as Mike Tom and the Steelers, but I don't even know if that's a purge. It's obvious. It's like they won't have a losing record. That's not a hot game,

but that seems like obvious. I think that is likely to happen. The only other ones I want to say are, I think everyone keeps talking about the substation and the 49ers, but the 49ers are not getting injured because of the substation. The 49ers are getting injured because of Kyle Shannon. Right. This is like Occam's razor.

It's what Deke said about John Harbaugh. It's like, Kyle Shannon. hardest practices in the league. And it's like, you think the substation's hurting the football players? I think it's the invisible radio waves that are drenching our bodies all day. I believe Kyle Shannon started this rumor. It's like, you think it's the fucking substation?

He's in the fucking hot dog suit. He's like, we're trying to figure this out. Who could it possibly be? What possible thing? Meanwhile, it's like. Anyway, he's like, keep running. It's like, you know how you got to eat talks about you need callous. You got to practice three days in a row.

Meanwhile, let's see here. NFLPA survey. Where did the Niners' Training staff rank this year? Let's see. You're dead last. What's the movie? What's the movie where?

30 second. What is the movie where they guide? They just have to keep running and the last person's not dead. Oh, the long walk. It's a Stephen King book, I think, isn't it? That's like 49ers. Like walking on nubs.

It's notoriously difficult. Yeah. The Revenant. Counter, what, has he been to three Super Bowls in 10 years? Not bad. Well, there you go. They keep getting hurt in the Super Bowl, though.

That's true. Well, that game sucks. I think my favorite take is D.K. Right out the gate talking about how Jeremiah Love should tank the combine. It's fucking amazing. He made a mistake. He should stop tanking, but players should start. I think that is so good, D.K.

All right. He should have run all funky, like with, you know, like duck feet or like his feet out or something like that. He should have just done something real weird. All right. Dika, do you have a non-football take you want to give here? I do. And I want to say this in the right way so people understand. I've reached a point in my life and I think humankind has reached a point in its existence

that everything we now make works worse than how it used to work. Of course. I don't know if this is even a hot take. I think that's just a fact. There are books about it. In other words, with almost everything, and this is excluding, like, life-saving technologies and breakthroughs that are going to help people to be more healthy and all that. stuff. Everything else, I'm like, I think I prefer the old way that this worked more.

I don't think it's a purge. It's a book called Insidification, which is about how they planned obsolescence. It's about how they made everything worse. In shitification. It's called in shitification. Literally, they're like, if you make it worse, it's more money. I just think there's too many people now, like Craig always says. There was not enough people back in the 50s, and now there's too many people. We've gone overboard. Now everyone has to justify their whatever, what they're inventing. Like, now we have to have, instead of pushing a handle to open a door, you have to push a button that then lets the handle out and then you pull the door.

I don't think I've been more confused about a new invention than I have with the Tesla door handle. It's unbelievable. I literally crank. I'm not even kidding. This is probably on video because I think all Tesla's record you. I couldn't get out of a Tesla one time. I was like, I'm the last person on Earth that's been in a Tesla.

I don't know how to fucking get out of this thing. Is this the window button? Yeah. I don't get it. I was like rolling down the window to try and get out of the door. I need to, I actually need to like do my own research. I need to like watch videos of people and like Tesla describing why they designed it.

But you know the answer. You know when Tesla decided it. Elon Musk was just like the window button should be the door. And it's he just thinks that. You think that anyone else decided that? He fucking wants that. I'm not talking about the window button I don't love. I'm talking about the outside handle.

Oh, right. Because he's like, well, it's aerodynamic. And so, yeah, it's like a... You have to push your thumb in so that it opens and then hold your thumb there, get your... Quickly got to grab it. It makes you... No, I don't get it at all.

I would love to hear somebody describe why that makes sense. Because even if you can make a flat door handle that has an indentation and you can put your hand under it and pull a door handle. He bought Twitter and named it X. He just thought it's cool because he said 11-year-old child. Do you want to hear some of the list of things I made?

So the reason I thought of this, two-fold. first off I saw a tweet of a guy who was doing a mock draft on his refrigerator screen. There was a refrigerator. His refrigerator had a TV screen and he was doing a mock draft on it. He was probably like also watching like arrested development on it somehow at the same time. I want to tell you I placed it in an Airbnb for a wedding. I got a fridge to play our podcast. The fridge had a camera inside.

And they were like it's so you can look at your fridge what's in there without opening. it's like that's so they can have a camera in your fridge. Sure, sure. Here's a couple, here's a couple examples. I think we, I think we figured out chairs. I think chairs are fine. We can move on. We don't need to keep working on new chairs. Are we?

Yeah. There's a new lot of, all kinds of new weird ass chairs. I think chairs peaked in the 1940s or 50s. Really? Yeah. Just a normal chair. There's too many bells and whistles on chairs. camp chairs speaking of give me one of those metal fold out things with like the you know the fabric strips

what those those are way better than any of the contraptions you have to get into now if you're going camping okay i guess right now i'm sitting in like an ergonomic no no no no no no no no no no i'm not talking about sitting at my desk that would be a little insane uh i'm just saying like We don't need to have any more new camp chair designs. Automatic soap dispensers. I've always wondered this. Were people like going out of business because people were wasting soap? Is like soap waste?

People couldn't stay open because people were using too much soap. Is that a problem? I think people like hand-free because you're in the bathroom. I don't want to touch it. They don't fucking work. No, they don't work. Of course they don't work. I don't know why.

Like I can understand, I guess, but if you're touching it, then you can wash your hands after touching it. No, because someone else touched it before they wash their hands, which is horrific. I know, but then you wash it off the germs that you receive from touching. I don't want to add. No, I don't want to touch the soap. You're literally touching it so soap comes out. But you can use that soap to clean your hands. Wipe their ass with that hand.

You're touching fucking everything has shit on it these days. Why the fuck would I want to touch that if I could not touch it? Everything's covered. Not touching it. I'd rather not touch it. You're defending soap automatic soap dispensers are the fucking worst thing in the world. Really?

Do people feel strongly about automatic? I've never thought about them once in my life. Automatic fucking paper towel dispensers, all the shit. It drives me insane. None of them work. If they did work, maybe that's a different discussion. You know the paper towel dispensers where it's like, there's like a tiny strip of it poking out and you have to like grab it with your

wet hands and try to. You have to try to like softly pull it and sometimes you rip it because your hands are wet. Yeah. Don't understand those. Dude, back in the day, Craig, I don't know if you guys even aware of this. They used to have this in like schools and stuff in the 80s and 90s. And people, the older generations will remember this. It was literally just a rat, like a rag.

Like it was on a, you know, what, like a, what are those things you walk out? Like, not the escalator, but like the things you exercise on. Treadmill. It's like a treadmill of cloth. And you just pull it down and like wash your hands with this dirty, disgusting. They have to they plot? And they just hanged down. Anyway.

But ultimately, D.K., I think you're right. I think back in the day, it was like a company that wanted to make t-shirts was like, well, we'll sell the most t-shirts by making the best quality t-shirts. And now that idea is completely gone. And maybe in the beginning, it's high quality. And then once it's successful, private equity buys it strips it and then just sells the shittiest fucking thing possible and spends the money on marketing. And I do agree. I mean, there's a reason why every time they have. hand out t-shirts at all like whenever you're at some dumb event you're at a game they're like

shoot the t-shirt can all these things suck now you bring that you put the t-shirt on it shrinks immediately how can this t-shirt be possibly be this terrible and yet some random shirt that my dad wore like 500 times in the 90s is still in great condition dude i'm telling you you yeah like you buy you can go on e-bay or just at value village or whatever and buy t-shirts that have been around for 30 years and they fit better and they feel better let cruzays but i have a lecruise for my grandmother that was made before I was born and will be there long after my grandchildren die. Yeah. Yeah.

That thing is going to last 150 years. You're talking about like a crock pot or something? Yeah, like a Dutch oven. Yeah. It's, it's that shit like kitchen aids. Like that shit lasts forever. I guess this wasn't a very hot take. I think just a general take.

It was a little bit old old man yells at cloud. It was. That was kind of what I was going at. The reason I'm like, dude, just give me some knobs. I want to be able to push a button. Fans? You know, just the normal fans. that you have in your house.

It doesn't need to have a digital display with eight different settings. I need two to three buttons and a knob that you pull up or push down. That's all I need. It's going to rotate. It's all fans do the same thing. They push air in your direction. There's an old Jack Handy quote that I really love. Probably the earliest fly swatters were nothing more than some sort of striking surface

attached to the end of a long stick. I just think it's like we've already figured this out you can move on we don't need new things that we don't need another one yeah we do spend a ridiculous amount of time trying to solve problems that don't exist because you can make a lot of money on that versus problems that don't reap the benefits as much I don't want any more of that shit sure this episode is brought to you by amazon life's full of little surprises like spilling coffee everywhere five minutes before a meeting or reaching for a diaper and realizing the bag is empty kind of like draft night you think think you know the plan, then everything changes.

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Pick one. I don't think you need a pillow when you sleep. What? This is horrific. No, no, no, no, no. Let me tell you something, Hyphitz. Oh, my God. Well, you guys have slept in an Airbnb with me once.

Yeah, Hyphins was like, Hyvitz mounted me in the morning. I don't use a pillow when I sleep. I sleep, and everyone calls me a freak. I sleep under a pillow, flat. Like you put it on top of your head? I sleep on my stomach. To cover up all the screams?

I burrow like a doxen. I sleep on my stomach. Sometimes the pillow's just like propped up and not kind of on my head. Sometimes it's on my head. I was just not, I knew that you sleep on your stomach because you said that. I'm like, that's not good for you.

No, well. If I'm on my side, I'll use a pillow. But if I'm not. Arms. What? Do you just lie there?

Do you go like this? Do you put your arms underneath? Do I do this? No. I don't. I don't. So you think, do you have any neckvade? Wait, so high fits.

No. Slow down. We're losing. You don't use a pillow either? No, but I'm curious. I do, but I'm curious because a couple times I haven't used the pillow to sleep. And I'm like, I don't think I need. I think big pillow has convinced me I think it's bad for your neck.

You're at an angle. Well, that's the thing is I'm like, man, my neck hurts. My shoulder hurts all this stuff. And I'm like, maybe I don't. I don't actually need a pillow at all because when I sleep without a pillow it's never actually been a problem for me. How about this?

There's a goldie la. There's a gray area here. How about just a thin pillow? Dude, I've tried the pillows. I have, I use very thin pillows. If you sleep on your side,

you should have the pillow between your knee and then a pillow under your head and then your spine stays flat. But I think there is something to sometimes like, you ever just lay on the fucking floor? You ever just lay on the floor in your back? It feels great.

At 43, if you lay on the floor on your back for a while, it feels good until you try and get up. Then you're like, I feel I've never felt worse in my life. Go back to sleep. My body hurts. Yeah, I look, I know everyone, I can't, you can't help how you sleep.

I know I sleep weird, but I sleep on my stomach. Can we go back to the sleep? The pillows on top of your head? Yeah. What the fuck is that? I make it like, concrued. Well, it's not like, it's like propped up. It's not like I'm like suffocating myself.

Hold on. Propped up on one, your face? Yeah. I think this is the weirdest thing Craig's ever shared. You said it. Okay. The pillow. on the face though you know so like he's like laying so it's like it's all I got air right

here so you so how often it's like hurting your head are you going both ways yeah I go both ways okay only that way only in the bed oh only in the bed only for sleeping um sure but yeah and then and then on my side I will use a pillow and then if I go on my back I use a pillow usually so it kind of varies Just picturing you, like, underneath, like an ostrich. Oh, yeah. My mom, dude, when I was growing up, I sleep like a psycho. Like, when my mom would come in the room in the morning, like, get me up for school or whatever.

Like, you can't find me because I'm under everything. There's like blankets and comforters and pillow. I'm just like in a, I like burrow. Every morning is like, I hope he's alive. Yeah, literally. She's like, it's like the people stabbing the Trojan horse to check if anyone's in there. Like, that was. That's my mom.

Oh, my God. He just looks like Ferris Bueller, like, hiding, running from school. Yeah. All right. So what's your take, Perge, Craig? I think serving bread to begin a meal is fucking insane. And they should stop doing it. But you like it.

I like it a lot. It is the most filling food in the world. And they give it to you first. So they can give you a tiny meal. I think the bread should come with the main course. Then I'm happy with it. But this is a great take. We mix in a bite of bread.

I don't want. I'll just eat all the fucking bread and then I'm full and then I'm uncomfortable. I don't have any self-restraint. I don't like it. I don't even fucking get it. I don't know why they do.

Because people are hangary when they get to the restaurant they're waiting around. No, but now the margins are so thin. It's like we don't order more food if you didn't give us that bread. Totally. Give them something different.

Not the most filling food you could possibly find. Lambus bread. It just like expands a new stomach. One bite is enough to fill the belly of a large man. And then it's like, they come back. You want another basket of bread? Everyone's like, yes.

I'm like, what are we doing? You get a little losing recipes. That is like the whole deal when you go to a Mexican restaurant. You're like, why do I feel like hell after eating this dinner? It's like, oh, because I ate two giant bowls of chips. You want 14 tortillas? No, that's insane. Okay.

There's a bowl of chips. You want a second one? Well, also like, when you make dinner at home, Do you eat bread before you? Are you like eating bread an hour before you eat dinner? No. You have bread with dinner. That's a good point.

Think about how crazy it would be if you like went to someone's house and you like sat down at the, not like, you know, around like couch or something, but at the dinner table. And they're about to serve you. But before they're like, hey, here's two slices of bread. Yeah, here's an entire sourdough loaf and really nice butter that will just eat for an hour before I serve you your chicken. No one does that because it doesn't make sense. Whoa. Where am I? A tremendous weight has been lifted.

What just happened? Yeah. I can't wait for the Giants to win the division with John Harbaugh. We're back, baby. You think anybody said anything about Vrabel? Doubt it. No. That'd be crazy.

I love automatic sensing hand soap dispensers. It's the fucking best. I love sitting there like a maniac trying to get fucking shake my hand under it, trying to get it to fucking make some, give me some goddamn soap. Uh, God. Yeah, that was good. I do feel, I feel cleansed. I feel 10 pounds lighter.

We recorded this on a Friday. I'm going to just, just breeze into the weekend. That beer's about to hit your hand like Molnier. Yeah. My soul's way lighter now. So please email us at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. Please email us your take purchase.

And we'll read the best of the best here on the show. The cream roast of the crop here. So again, email us at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com if you think you got something like the cream roast to the top. CRO. What did I say? He said it rose to the crop. You mixed metaphors.

Cream rose to the top or the cream of the crop. Whatever. This one's from Tom. Tommy. Tea. Breakfast is tuna and egg salad. He said tuna egg salad sandwich pack. God, we can't comment on these.

This is bacon rice ball. Laplace. Fuck. The morning breath's got to be tough on that one. I'm biting my lip right now. I know. God. He ate it at 1 o'clock.

Says it's up to you if it's breakfast. Fuck. Oh, that's fine. He broke fast, right? Yeah. Okay. Tom's take perch. Lions are the worst cats.

Okay. That's pretty good. Lions give up trades that make cats. They're lazy as fuck. Tom says lions give up trades that make cats awesome and live in packs. Agreed ticket. They sleep 22 hours a day. Lions are watered down cats for dog people.

Just go enjoy wolves. Lions hunting packs. They're constantly. lions are constantly warped. I thought that meant getting worked and it's a typo, but warped, I guess, is a movie term or a TV term

of like, you have a character show up in a superhero movie and they beat the shit out of the first character to be like, oh yeah, that's how tough this guy is.

He beat up that guy. So when you hear stories about other big animals in the same ecosystems, you'll always hear, well, that they can kill lions. Hippos, way deadlier than lions.

Elephants can stomp lions to death. Ospreys can kick lions to shreds. Fucking giraffes. can kick the head off of a lion. You don't hear stories about tigers getting their heads kicked off. Lions are not as cute as other cats. Lion kittens are not as cute as other cats.

Tigers are cute. Leopards are cuter. Okay. Lion cubs are really cute. Look up tiger cubs. They're cute by the standard. Pizza's good. Domino's is good because it's fucking pizza.

It's not as good as other pizza. Like, lion cubs are not as cute. Lion cubs are really cute. I can't get it. I can't get that. Lions can't pur. And frankly, Lion King and the King and the king of the jungle thing?

They don't even live in fucking jungles. Let's start there. They don't even live in the jungle. They're living a lot. They live on the Serengeti. They didn't even live in the fucking jungle. How'd they get that fucking term? Where do they even come from?

Tigers are the king of the jungle. It's great PR. They did a great, they hired name brand and they brushed it. They're with got milk. Their main carries so much weight. And I do think that's why they're king of the jungles because they're a decent fighter and they just have a sick mane.

And they have a good roar. They're golden. They look royal. They are resting on their laurels a little bit. I thought that was a good purge. I think I could take a tiger prop. I mean, a lion probably, right? I mean, if anybody else can kill it, why can't you?

They need to, well, here's the thing. Eight of them? No, could you take one lion? Obviously. I've been within five feet of a lion and I was terrified. I honestly, you better shot this a lion than in fucking ostrac. I'm sorry. I'm sorry to admit this, but I was scared of the lion.

I was in a van that had basically no doors on it. And Homeboy was sleeping real close to me. And I was uncomfortable. I was like, I saw the size of the big old balls on that thing. And I was like, ah, they are larger than you think. The men don't do anything. The women do all the eyes. The balls are the lions.

Yes. Okay, one more purge here. This is from Errol. Errol. Errol Flynn. The subject line of Errol Zemil is, take Perch. JFK was killed by accident.

All right. By whom? That's fucking good. So, Earl writes, there's actually a book called Mortal Error. Is it his book? No,

it's written by this guy in the 90s. He was actually one of the guys, it's a legit guy, because they invited like eight guys to try the rifle that Harvey Rzwald's shot from the depository. And they actually, this was the official government investigation 20 years later.

They had like nine experts come and try to shoot in as quickly as they thought he did. This was the guy who did the best, the fastest. He expanded the scope of their investigation because he was actually able to load the rifle so quickly. So he was like literally given inside information. This guy wrote a book. And this guy, his take is that this is what happened with JFK. Lee Harvey Oswald shot once and then he missed. Lee Harvey Oswald then shoots a second time and he hits JFK through the neck.

And then the car behind JFK's car has Secret Service agents. And one of the Secret Service agents stands up in the car on the seat, in the back seat, and tries to shoot Lee Harvey Oswald. But then the car speeds up and the guy falls back into the seat while he's pulling the trigger and he shoots JFK in the head. Is that true about the guy standing up and falls? There is footage of him standing. It all gets pieced together.

But the idea being that Warren Commission did not interview any Secret Service agents. They didn't talk to them officially. Didn't think to do that? They were allowed to talk. Oh, interesting. The Secret Service was that interviewed by the Warren Commission. And the thinking is the government did not want to admit that actually we accidentally panicked and shot the president in the head.

So the shot to the neck wouldn't have killed him? It might have. But like the head. He would have had a chance. The big, yeah, it would have had a chance. Like there's a fear. Errol's take, which is the take of this book, which is, it's, it, there's more to it that I thought when I read it,

is that maybe they accidentally shot him. Man. Yeah. I haven't heard that before. Certainly, certainly plausible. I read it and I laughed and I was like, oh, like, this is a funny joke. And then I was like, okay, there is, there is a school here. Also, I feel like anytime the answer to a really complicated question,

which is like, yeah, it's probably just like an accident. It's usually right. So Errol says if this, if you're, Errol literally writes, He's like, if you're listening to this and you think that's insane, remember that what actually World War I started because Franz Ferdinand, they tried to assassinate him, fucking failed, went to a coffee shop, basically a bar,

lamented that they failed, and then he pulled up in the broken down car behind. They got lost up. They took a wrong turn. They took a wrong turn. And ended up, I mean, think about the freaking sliding doors on that.

It's insane. Maybe the all-time sliding doors. Yeah, because then World War II doesn't happen. if World War I doesn't happen. I mean, maybe it was all eventual going to happen, but, man, insane. Mortal error. It reminded me because I was like, man, JFK is just Pulp Fiction.

You shot Renshi in the face! This is good. I never heard that before. I've never heard this tape. I didn't see that, I didn't see us going into JFK stuff today. I didn't know those. I wonder if Bill's aware of this theory.

Bill's a big JFK conspiracy theorist. I'm going to have to send it to him. Yeah. It's intriguing. All right. Email should purchase. That was good. I feel good about that.

Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, everyone. I hope everyone feels your souls are lighter after this experience. Please emails, whatever you have to purge from your soul. I'm glad you guys can be cleansed, bathed in the light, and now we can continue on with draft season. Lighter for the wear.

Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you to Chris Sims, obviously. Thank you, Chris. Genuinely, thank you. And Phil, his forefather. Thank you, Cam. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, Carlos.

Thank you, Abu. Um, whoever did the purge, none of us have seen the movie yet. Um, I've seen the movie. You have? Yeah. All right. I saw the first half, but I never finished it. Did you see the second one?

No. Uh, no. No. Okay. You bailed before the, I feel like that's the whole point. The purge, you want to wait until the purge happens. You just watch the setup and then bailed. Oh, okay.

The purge has started. I, I don't know. It's good. It's actually really good, but, but, oh. I, I, I enjoy the film. Oh. Oh. Oh, I'll finish.

There's a reason they made like nine. Yeah. Thank you, Lord. Lord. Thank you, Cass Elliott, aka Mama Cass. Of course. I was listening to California dreaming today

driving to the office. I was listening to that song The, you've got to make your own music. Yeah. Oh, that's a Cass Elliott song, yeah. Make, I'm not even going to try and sing it. Your own kind of music. Sing your own special song.

Yeah, fucking great. It's also like a huge meme right now, I feel like. Is it? Yeah. It's like, it's from the unbearable. Oh, right. With Pedro Pascal, the imbearable weight of massive talent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is it when he's like looking at him in the car?

Yeah, like Pedro Pascal is like high as a kite or whatever. It's driving. I know that part of what you're saying. Anyway, great song. That's a great shout out. I'm a huge fan of the Mamas and Pappas. I have there, there. Or is that who this is?

You've got something in the background, right? Yeah. There it is. So she's in the Mamas and the Pappos. Yeah, she's one of the two female vocalists. Fun fact, that album behind me is signed by Michelle Phillips, the other female vocalist who lives in L.A. We have to blur it out on Netflix. It's blurred behind me naturally.

Oh. Great. The depth of field is shallow. You can't really make it out. But yeah, Michelle Phillips. She lives in L.A. Okay, cool. Nobody.

Well, not Cass Elliott. No, she died a long time ago. Right. She died in 1974. So who lives near you in L.A.? Michelle Phillips, the other member of Mamas and the Pabas. Got it. Yeah.

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