The Ringer NFL Show - The 8 Biggest Takeaways From Day 2

Episode Date: April 29, 2023

The guys are back to discuss eight of the most significant takeaways from Rounds 2-3 of the 2023 NFL Draft including the Titans trading up for quarterback Will Levis, the Green Bay Packers loading up on offense, the Detroit Lions redemption arc, and more. Check out our 2023 Ringer NFL Draft Guide here! Email us! [e-mail] Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Ben Solak, Craig Horlbeck Producers: Craig Horlbeck and Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What's up everybody? It's Austin Rivers from the Minnesota Timberwolves. It's a new year and I have a new podcast here at the Ringer, Offguard, hosted by me and my guide, Pasha Higigi. Austin and I go way back and talk so much hoop already that we figure those time to fire up the mics and let you in on all of these conversations. Every week, Pasha and I will hit on the biggest stories happening in the league.

And get Austin's perspective of someone currently hooping in the NBA. Tap into Offguard every Friday on the Ringer NBA show fee on Spotify, or wherever you get your podcast. Vince and I am joined by Danny Kelly, Ben Sillick, and Craig Porralbeck. Rounds two and three are over. And I know they're over because the 49 is just took a kicker. And that is when the third round should end automatically. Just that's where it cuts off.

This draft absolutely rips. There have been about as many trades as I can ever remember. Craig is just distraught that the Warriors are going to game seven. But the rest of us are just thrilled about this draft. And we're just going to go through. Honestly, we're just doing vibes. Like, we're just going to do the vibes at a day two. Honestly, day three, the draft begins at, like, noon on Saturday.

So we're, you're just getting, like, our raw, unfiltered thoughts on the things that either we thought were hilarious or somewhat distressful going. But honestly, I think there was just a lot of good vibes today. So we're just going to do it. Weird draft. It's a very weird draft. I honestly, part of me wants you guys to just draft the topics. I don't even know where to begin.

We could start with Will Levis to Tennessee. I don't know if that's kind of a down or not. Dekam, I'm going to let you pick. Do you want to start with Will Levis? No, we got to start with Will Levis, because this is the biggest story of day one. Technically, he was the first pick of the second round. If you consider the 32nd pick Joey Porter-Jr, Jr. being, you know, a first-round pick. Who was going to go to, Craig?

Pittsburgh Steelers. I got to say, this might be the best. I mean, we've only been doing the show for, like, is this the third year we've done the NFL draft show? Sure. Best draft for our collective teams combined, right? Giant Seahawks Steelers, Eagles. This is the best combined draft for our squad. I'm sorry.

Are you unfamiliar with Jalen Carter and Nolan Smith? What? It is true that all of our teams have done very well. He said Eagles. Oh, you're saying, 2023 is the best draft for all of our teams combined. I thought you were saying the Steelers draft was the best among all drafts. And I was like, sir, I'll introduce you to the Bulldogs. Yes, I agree.

We're doing great. We're sober. We actually are. I don't want to imply that we're not. So what's this wee shit? Craig had just watched the Warriors, like, lose, and I think it broke his brain. Yeah, he was actually quite sad. I asked him.

if he needed a hug. He was just sitting over it, like away from everybody for literally like 30 minutes after the game ended. Craig, just head down. Just look at the Steelers draft class and feel better. Know that everything is going to be all right in the world.

All good things come to an end. All right. That's what I'm learning. I just got to be a big boy about it. Game 7 and sack. We're going to get smoked. Let's start with the Steelers because that will get Craig's. No, no,

we should still at Levis to Tennessee, right? No, you already took the attention and like, you know what? No, it's fine. Like, we're going to start the Steelers. Like, clearly you need to like a little, pick me up, but we're just going to do it. Joey Porter Jr., Jr., joy, I just,

well, that was weird. I just added a junior. So let me call 30. Why do they do that? Oh my goodness. Joey Porter, Jr., going to the Steelers is the most Pittsburgh shit ever. And as someone who's dating a girl from Pittsburgh,

like this is every pretty in Pittsburgh. Congrats on the sex. Yeah, flex. I wonder why he wanted to start with the Steelers conversation. Well, I was hoping, actually, that her family would listen to this, but now I kind of don't want to show it. So I don't know what to do.

Wow, what a... Okay, well... All right. Girlfriend's family. Yeah, I don't even know what to say. He's shaking. Joey Porter Jr. I can't, but first of all, it's just...

That's such a Steeler shit to just get Joey Porter Jr. at the exact moment they need a quarterback. And then you got Darnell Washington. Craig, are you still this bummed? No, I mean, I think the Steelers did a fantastic job. My move during the draft is to just the second a team drafts a player, I just go to DK's Big Board. and I'm like, where did they land?

And looking at Broderick Jones and Joey Porter, like both being in DK's top 17 or something, top 20, maybe very happy. And then Darnow, Washington, who was like a literal alien, who I guess had a bad medical report, falls to us. I'm super stoked about that. I wanted to ask you guys,

why is it that we can never know about the medical reports before the draft? Like, why is it always like, because this guy falls? I think it's the law. But like, really? it? Sometimes it gets leaked. Sometimes it doesn't. It's really like the simple way to say it. Yeah, the other thing is it's not like there's one holy doctor

who lives on top of a mountain who the players go up to him and they evaluate, this one doctor evaluates the player and goes, you will be healthy, you will be not healthy, and then gives that information to the 32 teams. Each team's doctors evaluates each player individually. And so like take Osiris Torrance.

Washington is as an example. Washington was medically evaluated by 32 teams. You could have had 20 of those teams come through and say, there's no chance we're drafting this player. We are as certain as we can be that he's going to have long-term health problems. And then the 12 remaining teams go, he's probably going to deal with knee injuries for his career, but he could still have a good five, seven years and they have different scopes, different tests, different theories on how ligaments heal. They have different procedures. I don't know how medicine works. But you have varying opinions.

And so, like, we knew coming into the draft, like, there was a report a week before the draft. Some teams have medically flagged darnall Washington. That could mean four. teams have knocked him down around, it could mean 28 teams have taken him off their board. Unless we get more specifics, we don't know. And so that's why you have guys fall medically when other guys who also have medical concerns don't fall.

Like, Sam Leporta was like, oh, Sam Leporta, because some teams will flag him medically. He went like 35. Same with Kincaid. Yeah, exactly. But if 20 teams, like you just said, like if you're like, oh, like 20 teams could have looked at his, you know, whatever, his medical situation and said, we're good. Isn't it surprising that

not one of those leaked? Like, 20 teams, like I said, we're good on Derno, Washington, we don't trust his long-term health, and that didn't leak once? Well, it did leak, because we had heard about it a little bit. Like, we'd heard whispers of, you know,

he's off a couple teams sports. Yeah, because sometimes the guy's, like, got a medical flag, and it means that he's going to fall around, and sometimes the guy has a medical flag, like Carson Strong last year in Nevada. Remember we were talking about Carson Strong and the quarterback?

We were like, well, some teams were worried about his knee, and then he just wasn't drafted. And it was like, every team was like, yeah, because his need doesn't work. Like, the thing is, like, there's just a scale with it. And we don't get a ton of the information. So, like, you have Darno Washington.

You have Osiris Torrance, the guard out of Florida, who obviously ended up on the... Jacksonville, what I was? Torrance, who would... Bill's... Bill's a thing right. Yeah. Good pick.

Torrance was a guy who had a medical fall. We're trying to wonder and figure out if Atomio Adabare has a medical problem. The Edge of our Northwestern, who, like, me and D.K. both thought it could be at end of the round one selection. He has not been selected yet. Will Levis, right? Chris Mornson's like, oh, the turf dough. Sometimes we worry about the turf dough.

Does that really matter? Probably not. Did it maybe matter for a couple of teams? Absolutely. So you just have, you have shades of gray in terms of some of the medical issues with these guys. And that defines a lot of the surprising falls on day two. Yeah. And the medical stuff is really complicated with Will Levitts, because as we've discussed,

a lot of the pesticides in the growing process for free, ends up in the peels. And so when you eat the peels. That was a self-out of you. He threw that thing off the glass, man. That was to himself. Well, I'm just saying, like, that's why he's so vascular. It's his blood vessels are under attack from all the pesticides.

But Will Levis, like the fact that Tennessee was rumored to be trading up to the third pick for Arizona and then got to 11 and then they let they just didn't take Will Levis. They just took Scronsky. And then they just stay in the second round and they just wait until the second round. D.K., how do you feel about Will Levis landing in Tennessee in the second round pick? I don't even know what to make of it at this point. I don't know either. You know, I had him mocked to the Titans, I believe in my mock draft in the first round. So obviously the team fit makes sense from what you could.

compared him to Tannahill, right, Ben? Yeah, that was both of our confit, actually. I think we talked about he's a little bit like Kirk Cousinsey. Yeah, there's Kirk, there's Stafford, there's Wens. But if you wanted, like, just one player's name, he was largely a Tannahill. Tall, forgettable white guy. Ryan Tannawell-Levis. I mean, stylistically, they're very similar.

Both athletic, both have good, strong arms and pretty accurate, but, you know, limited in some ways and probably never going to be like an elite player. But for the Titans, it's tough because it's not a great, landing spot for him. They're sort of a rebuilding team. They don't have a lot of weapons around him. They're rebuilding their offensive line. It does help that they got Skoronski first and then came back and got him, of course.

Tough beat for Malik Willis. Yeah. I mean, he's going to be traded at this point. The Tennessee Titans don't worry. They're not too concerned about Malik Willis. I'm not sure I agree. Rables hated him since the beginning. I'm not sure I agree. It's a bad landing spot. Like, I hear you in the sense of like

the poor weapons and the poor offensive line. But I think Tan Hill is going to start most of the games this year, right? They're going to have at least another year to like, yeah, the bed for Levis when it's, when it's time for him to kind of take over and, like, you know,

kind of helps out the foundation. And also, like, obviously, like they've had offensive staff turnover, right? Like, when Tan Hill was good there, Arthur Smith was the offensive coordinator,

and then Todd Downing took the job, and now he doesn't have it, and it's Tim Kelly. And so, like, absolutely it's the case that, uh, it's not like the guys who really made the offense work in terms of the coaching staff and the schematics of it are still there.

But this team has been defined by Tanna Hill's toughness in the pocket, his arm strength over the middle of field, his accuracy and his size, his scramble ability, his tackle-breaking ability. That's what's defined at the Titans' offense over the last five years. That's what Will Levis brings. I think they look at him and they go like, oh, we know how to win with the quarterback like this. We know how to build around a quarterback like this. If Ravel's going to watch him and go like, I know how this plays and I know what I need to do to build around this.

Now, what's critical is this. If Will Levis was the third overall pick to the Tennessee Titans, this Hyvitz brought up there trying to trade up with the Cardinals, maybe it was for Levis. Then he's coming in with the expectation that he could win the starting job. Right. He's coming in with it. They traded up, and he was an early first round pick. Well, some of the conversation around Levis is about personality concerns. Now he's the 34th overall pick.

You're going to come in, and it's going to be presumed you're sitting. Yeah. And you have to handle that and deal with that correctly. You cannot have a false step, a bad first impression in the locker room, coming in as a second round quarterback, behind an established guy who is loved there in Tennessee. Ryan Tannehill has loved in the locker room. And so Levis, obviously, Levis backed up Sean Clifford and Penn State, and then eventually, you know, transferred away.

So he's been a backup before. But how Levis handles being a backup relative to his expectation entering this week, which was to be a first round pick and be a starter, that is critical for his career. Again, like Ryan Tanyhill comps, but also Carson Wend's comps. Carson Wens could not handle the ups and downs of being an NFL quarterback, the tough realities of the job. So it's a huge, huge thing for Levis now that he's in Tennessee

and presumably that he's going to sit on the bench in week one. Can I give a quick take, purge? You're talking about him handling adversity and handling city on the bench. Is it bad that I judge him for leaving the draft? Is that like a bad thing that I'm doing? We were watching the draft with Bill and with Van Lathen, and when they learned Will Lovus left the draft, they were like, oh, so he is bad.

I was like, all right, there it is. Did he actually leave the draft? I saw conflicting reports about this. He was not in the green room for round two. I mean, he didn't go up on stage. Yeah. Did he know that Tennessee was going to pick him, you think? Like, this morning when he got up,

did he know Tennessee was going to pick him? I don't think so. No. Do you think if he knew he would have gone? he said like a month ago in an interview that if he thought he was going to be a second round pick he would not have attended the draft because he and this is his words

I don't want to be the guy on the cameras all day and Malik Willis also left the draft but Malik Willis was asked about he said I didn't have a second suit I don't want to get you don't want to get too wrapped up in the like who stayed who attended how did they look walking up thing but man when Brian Branch was walking up after the lines picked up in round two

just jeans just right first yeah like a bomber right exactly looking fashionable still but also like stoic face Like, not like angry. Like, you know, still like respect for everything, but kind of like, all right, this is my walk. This is what I wanted. I'm a Detroit line. I was like, all right.

See you, Brian. Also, when Keon White got picked by Patriots, because he was also invited to the green room and then fell, obviously. He fell to the second round, middle second round. He looked so mad. Yeah. He looked so upset. The day two green room guys should be like a group we should follow through the season just to see, you know. Yeah.

The chip on the shoulder. I like. I think this is the new money ball. Piss guys off. Day two green room. Yeah. The guys. you should just immediately trade for the people who were very mad.

But speaking of Brian Branch, the lions are just America's team. They're back. It's like, you know what? They're chaotic. But like, this is insane. So like, you had a great tweet where you're like, the lions had a perfect draft, but like out of order. And it's just insane.

So they got Hendon Hooker. So they got the quarterback that some people thought they would take a round one. They got him in round three. They got Brian Branch. She was like a like a perfect defensive back for them. They took Sam LaPorte of the tight end out of Iowa over Michael. mayor from Notre Dame, this is just all chaotic. Can Soak do the actual order that would make the most?

Like, if we had done this order, we'd probably be given them like a B-plus, right? So for the record, for the purposes of the Ringer NFL draft show, with the 12th overall pick, the Detroit line selected Brian Branch safety out of Alabama. A little early. A little early. A little early, a little early, but I understand why. Quick grade on that. Yeah.

B-plus. Okay. Now with the 18th pick, Jemir Gibbs, running back out of Alabama. Okay. That's fine. A little early, but... Back to back, Crimson Tide players. Right.

This is more so the Josh Jacobs Travis E.N range. Yes. So this makes sense. Okay, nice, nice. Towards the back end of the first round, that's fine. B minus? Yeah.

Gets that 50-year option. With the 34th overall pick, top of the second round, Sam Leporta, tied in out of Iowa. Oh, this makes a lot of sense. This is exactly where I expected them to pick him. Second round.

Okay. He's got a yak ability. He's tough. He's physical. He's going to take a hunk out of your kneecaps. Yeah, with the second round, 45th overall pick. The Detroit line,

select Jack Campbell, linebacker out of Iowa. Exactly where I would have put him. Nice. A great spot for Jack Campbell, right? Middle linebacker. He's got some, you know, he's got some maybe liability. Like, he's a little bit of a liability. Sure.

He's a role player. What's the grade on Campbell at 45? That's like a, you know, that's a solid B. Yeah, it's all solid B stuff. And then at 68 they go Hendon Hooker, which I would like to say for the record, how many times I had a talk on podcast about Hennon Hooker in round one. And how crazy that drove me. Oh, what do you think about Henan Hooker in the first round?

Oh, but Henan Hooker might have been the first round. Ben, tells what you think about Henan Hooker. And the whole time I was like, we can't be doing this. This can't be real, right? And then he goes 68 overall, which is a perfectly acceptable place for a player like Henan Hooker to go. And this is why the draft process sucks and it needs to be shortened. And there needs to be fewer podcasts.

And we should be stopped. And nobody should be allowed to talk about these prospects. Because Henan Hooker always should have just been like an early round three developmental quarterback. And we talked to ourselves, Mike Tannibon, putting him at five overall in March. This is the problem with the draft process. This was always a great spot for Hoker.

It's a great landing spot for Hoker. I've been calling Hoker a lion for four months because he's big and he's old and he's injured and he makes sense for them. Great fit. Like, I want it known. I am so perfectly, acceptably pleased with Hennon Hooker at 68 overall Alliance.

It's totally fun. It's just like we build up these massive expectations. His teammate Jalen Hyatt, another one. We build up these expectations for these players that makes it difficult to talk about them in a positive light as well. was for Hooker for four months. And then they go really where they should go.

And now it's great. I can already see Hooker being the type of player who in like three years comes in for like an injured quarterback. And it's like kind of good and like wins the game comes back. They win by three. Jacobi Brissette on the Colts with luck. Yeah. And everyone's like, is this guy solid?

And then like he gets a starting job and he's kind of not that good. And he's just kind of in that middle. Jacobi percent. He's always been what's like that. I think it's Ohio. It's always has been meme with the astronauts. Right. Right.

It's always been Jacobi. He's just always been Jacoby Percette. Better than a backup and not good enough to be a starter. Just like in no man's land. It's also worth just remarking very quickly on the Lions. And then it picked 96. They took a 335-pound nose tackle out of Western Kentucky that everybody thought was going to go in round seven.

They trade it up. I believe they traded multiple picks to move up and get a nose tackle. They've been trading every single pick. They've been moving back. They've been moving up. They get 96 overall to take a massive conference USA nose tackle. They cut to the Detroit Lions war room. And what do we see?

We see Dan Campbell and Brad Holmes. just bro-hugging with increasing violence every single time it has up just more back thumps, just stabbing each other, elbowing each other, just manhood all over the place. Dan Campbell wearing the biggest button-down shirt you've ever seen in your life. For X-L.

Craig, you mentioned baggy jeans are coming back, and Dan Campbell is... I don't think he's doing it for the fashion. I think that's a comfort only. They have at the back of the war room, they have at the back of the war room a massive lion painted onto the wall with bright blue eyes.

Because I'm a Leo. Don't know how I feel. symbolism. That really happened, though. The lions are drained. There's somebody in my DMs for the entire second round of the NFL draft screaming at me to be nice to the lions

because they're drafting players that I like. So for that guy, I forget what your name is? Good draft for Lions. Yeah, they just did it out of order. Remember, what was that guy's name on Reddit who thought Levis was going to? Sale, agreeable. What's he at two right now?

I think he's recasting Batman. Just Homer, like, sinking back into the bushes. my work here is done. He's just Shams. He's like, ah, I'm actually a bad. I'm good. Fuck it.

Found Shams's burner. Speaking to NFC North, the Packers trading Aaron Rogers, like dumping Aaron Rogers off, and then just going and getting two tight ends and a receiver in the second round is the funniest thing I've ever heard. And it's basically like the hot girl summer for football.

Yeah. Dude. Okay, so Luke Musgrave in the second round, their first second round, The first second round paid. Tight end. Tight end out of Oregon State. Their second second round pick,

Jaden Reed, Michigan State, who Solek and I both love. And then in the third round, they picked another tight end. Tucker Kraft out of the South Dakota State. Jack rabbits. The wrong SDS. Right.

So now they're getting all these weapons. I love this for Jordan Love. This is a classic Thirstrepe Instagram after you break up with a, like, a larger relationship. It's like getting in shape. So I think,

like, I think Tiger Craft is a great player for them early. I think Kraft is like good yards after the cat. She's good design stuff. He's a really, really good blocker. So you can use him as like an already understood and established part of the weapon of the running game, which you're going to rely on heavily in this offense usually and certainly now that you have Jordan Lovett quarterback. Musgrave is the guy where like, okay, like maybe the first eight weeks.

Like, you know, he gets a touchdown. It gets explosive, whatever. I think Musgrave after a few more games, after some time in the NFL, like Musgraves, the dude is like a downfield threat, explosive threat at creation. Like win over the seam, win over the middle of field, contested catch, catch outside of the radius. Like Musgrave is a really high-ceiling player. Musgrave was hard for me to grade because I just loved him. And I was like, all, he's injured and he's an experience

and he can't like him too much in the tight end. But he was just so sick. He was so fun to watch. It's a huge projection with him because, like you said, he had been injured for most of his last season. I think he only played two games. He was very productive in those two games. He was their leading receiver.

But again, it's just like, can this guy say healthy, number one? And number two is like, that's a small sample to work with. And so I come down to Tyler Eifert. He's got like length, athleticism. This is the guy who played four sports and college. in high school. Four. Track,

lacrosse, skiing, and football. Alpine skiing, champion. I was praying, you were going to like,

what was the fourth sport. I was setting up, and I was like, hey, Dan, guess what it was? Football. It'd be cool if it wasn't football. Right.

And baseball. So, yeah, this is an exciting one. And again, I really like Jane Reed. He's very twitchy fast. Yards after the catch can get deep.

He's a great compliment to what they have already. And Christian Watson, Romeo Dubs and Jaden Reed. I'm forgetting other people, I'm sure. But yeah, like they've got a good little nucleus forming here. Yeah, and the Packers have drafted previous second round wide receivers, right? It's been fun to poking them for round one receivers.

They drafted Devante Adams, but he was 54. Randall Cobb was like 64, or I think Adams was 53 regardless. And I will say, like, the Packers are very notorious for having height, weight, speed requirements. Like, they do not take small players. Firstly, when we talked about Jayden Reed's, we love, Dekind are both big Jane Reed fans. we brought him up on the name brand off-brand podcast we did earlier in the season. One of the main things we said was like, this is one of those smaller receivers, a little bit more of a slot guy, yards and for catch guy, but he's not super small like a lot of this class, right? He's just under 5-11, just under 190.

So firstly, this is the benefit of having a little bit more of that size, right? But even then, this player comes in under the usual height weight speed requirements for the Packers, which means one thing. They loved them. If you're going to go outside of your parameters, outside of your guardrails for drafting, it means, you really like the dude. And Reed was rumored to be like a round three guy and they took him at 50. The Packers must be extremely high on Jaden Reed.

I love Jaden Reed. I wouldn't be surprised if Reed is a huge part of their offense. A high volume player, right, he's a much more consistent receiver than Christian Watson is, much more reliable three-level player than Watson is. I think Reed is going to be hugely, hugely important to this team. Love the pick. Love the Packers approach.

They do look like a frat house in terms of their draft picks right now with Luke and Venice, Tucker Kraft, man. They really, it's a lot of like backwards baseball caps and flannels going on there in the backers right now. I mean, they got a guy who's basically like Lucas Van Ness is kind of like a Clay Matthews clone. He's just from Iowa. The weather tight ends from South Dakota State. The other tight end is an alpine skier.

It's the whitest thing I've ever heard. La Crosse slash alpine ski. Did you? Slash alpine skier. So, but. Hyfitz, did you see the Bob McGinn breakdown, the NFL personnel? quotes on Bob McGinn. Oh, no.

What did he say? So for Van Ness, they started doing like a comp thing for him. I'm trying to make sure I find as I get it right. So they go for the comps and they go, he had some traits like JJ Watt had. He's the mix of like kind of a Grant Winstrom. He's certainly more gifted than Aaron Campman in the Kyle Van Bann, Kyle Vandenbosch and Patrick Curnymour, just listing as many white defensive ends as they can find. Just classic.

Everybody they can. Love it. So wait, while we're talking about Lucas Vennessex, guys. I'm sorry to blame the point, but we have to talk about something that we have to go back to round one. Okay. If you did not see this and you're listening,

if you saw it, you already know what we're talking about. But if you did not see this, unfortunately, we did not discover this until after we recorded our podcast. However, I think Craig brought it to my attention this morning.

The entire video of the home camera shot of the Lucas Van Ness being drafted video, which there was a lot going on. It's a, I mean, it's a massive family. It's just like a lot going on and it's weird. Just watch it. You have to watch it.

Much like a Marvel film, you got to stay till the very end. You know, there's a little scene at the end. It's always a little teaser. Just hang on until the end. Craig, do you want to describe what happened in this video? Sure, I guess. Lucas Vennis gets drafted. It's like a minute, maybe 50 second video.

He stands up. He's like hugging everybody. Everyone seems to be here. He's with, I think his brother's there. He's on the phone. His sister's there. He's on the phone. His girlfriend is there.

And at the very end of the video, like the last two seconds, who we believe to be Lucas Van Ness's father hugs Lucas his girlfriend. And in the last second, just a little tap on the butt. A little tap. A little tap, pat on the ass. I watched this video alone, and I actually screamed. I screamed out loud.

I said, just wait till the end. Dude, every video these days, every video is like, just wait till the end. And it was the first one I've watched in three. years where I was like, oh my God. Can I tell you my absolute favorite pick from Day 2? Please do. Devon A Shane to the Dolphins is the coolest thing I've ever seen in my entire life. Yes. This was rumored a little bit pre-draft

and it was kind of like, oh, don't, don't tease me with a good time. Like this is something. The dolphins, yeah, I almost got you with that one, Craig. And I'm just thinking about D.K. tweeting that photo of Molly Shannon. Hello! What? When they go by? The vibrations! the race cars.

There's only one good thing about coming to these races, and that is the vibrations from the cars. Me watching the dolphins. And the Dazvin's like, the vibrations.

I'm just red-blooded American winner. The dolphins can score at any time on any place. from anywhere. With Tyree Kill at wide receiver, with Jaylon Waddle, wide receiver,

and now with Devon A.J., a legit track star running back. They can hand the ball off or throw the football. They can do it short, and they can do it. They can throw it deep, and they can hand it off

inside the tackles, and they can run screens, and they can do any single play you can think of, and that play is more likely to score seven than, like, the Texans in the Red Zone, man. It's just like the amount of home run speed.

Anytime an athlete on this team gets the ball in the second level, it is just danger mode, DefCon, four sirens going off. Like, this is basketball on grass, man. I mean, this is just

speed, speed, speed. Like, we were just watching King's Warriors. I can't remember how the game ends, but just the pace. They lost. We had just gotten Craig to laugh for the first time a little bit.

Why did you bring it up again? Jeez, beating you on down. Sorry, Craig. Craig's like, Help me Oprah Winfrey. The speed on the dolphins is incredible. That's, that I thought, was a excellent, excellent pick,

and it's going to bring a very nice dimension to that Dolphins' offense. It's already so, so scary. I'm all the way in. on dolphins stock this year. Dolphins and Falcons. These are my teams. Austin literally just tweeted at me

to my reply to the, or he replied to the Molly Shannon tweet. Great tweet. Like right now. I want to add one thing to the A chain thing because I thought, I saw this on Twitter is very interesting. You know how the dolphins are notorious

for just attacking the middle of the field with both Tyree Kill and Jalen Waddle on like these in-breaking routes on RPO's and play action? With defenses having to like respect that and maybe cheat a little bit on those types of plays, A-chain on stretch runs and dump-offs to the outside or whatever, like, misdirection plays.

If you're running receivers, if you're running receivers behind linebackers, and then you're also running wide zone play action. So offensive linemen are going far to the left or far to the right. That means the gaps that the linebackers are responsible for in the running game are moving towards a sideline while the area in the past defense that they're responsible for is behind them. There's an inherent conflict here where they cannot go two directions at once.

And even if they could, they couldn't do it at the speed of these players. Like, the dolphins are a terrifying offense. Can we put this in context for a second? Because I think this is worth, like, Ligreon. Can you, just on offense? Who are the fastest five people in the NFL? Like, Tyree kills number one. But I want to put a context.

Whattles are in the top five somewhere? Is Jalen Waddle, too? Because I feel like, is it crazy to say, is it hyperbolic to say, that if Tyree kills the fastest player in offense in the NFL, that Jalen Waddle and Devon A.C. Might be in the top five? Yeah. And you know, who else is emphatically comfortably, no question in the

top five is Rahim Moster. Guess who he plays for? Miami Dolphins. And like if you're like, all right, well, they already had a fast running back. Yeah, the problem with Moster, he's a little bit made of glass and he's not super good between the tackles. A-Shane is so impressive between the tackles. If they're able to keep Mostert, Wilson, Devon A-Chane, if they were to keep two-thirds

of that running back room largely healthy over the course of the season, this team's can be better at running the football. And that's a huge, huge, huge advantage to them in terms of protecting Tua in terms of managing the pace of the game. I'm telling you, man, the dolphins are going to be a really, really good program next year. I've been just unabashedly hyping up A-chain during this draft period, and I was like, I'm probably just being stupid here because he's 188 pounds. This is probably not going to work unless he lands with the Miami Dolphins,

in which case I'm going to be stoked. I also saw Chris Greer, the GM for the Dolphins, said, quote, it's been about two years that we've been watching him. We brought him in on a 30 visit. We got to know him as a person. We watched film. and then probably two to three weeks ago, Mike and Mike McDaniels was convicted

in his love for the player we all were. They love this guy. I'm so excited about. They talked about John Gerard, too. They watched him for a couple of years and then they brought him in. I don't think that's how you used convicted. Yeah, it is.

It's a verb. I'm probably of it. Believes? They have conviction. Yeah, there it is. On him. Anyway, the Seahawks took a running back in the second round a year after they took a running back

in the second round. Because of course they did. Zach Charbonnet, a.k. Zach Schiardtay, a.k. Tell me why this is not a fanist, like, I don't care about the Seahawks. I care about fantasy football. This is a catastrophe for me personally. How do you feel as a Seahawks fan? And then how do you feel

fancy football? Like, is Ken, do the Seawks think Ken Walker's bad? No, I don't think so. I think there's a lot of people that were talking about Kenneth Walker's boom-buss nature right after this pick was made and basically like, oh, this is saying that the Seahawks don't like Kenneth Walker. I don't think that's the case. I think this is always, the Seahawks always feel that they want multiple guys in their offense that they can rely on.

They're not going to give Kenneth Walker like 300 carries next year or whatever. That's never been their deal. They lost Travis Homer. Who else did they lose from last year's team? I forget. Rashad Penny. Go birds. Go birds.

They always have wanted two guys. They lost the first round running back that was a bust. And now they're talking about, I think Ken Walker was the second running back drafted last year, right? And now they have the third running back drafted in this draft. Yeah. this is just who they are. This is who they are.

They highly value the running back position. They've drafted a whole bunch of top 75 running backs in the time that they've been, you know, running the Seahawks drafts. This is just who they are. This is what they believe in. I don't think it's a indictment on Kenneth Walker, but I do think it does hurt his bottom line in fantasy, obviously, because they value Charbonne enough to take him the 21st pick in the second round. So, yeah, I mean, it's a tough situation for fantasy. think Kent Walker is now useless, but it does hurt his bottom line.

Yeah, well, here's the thing. Well, you were doing that. The Giants fixed all their problems. I don't know if you heard. The Giants are fixed. They're going to be a solid draft. I like the Giants draft. What are you talking about specifically,

Hype? What do you like? Literally everything they did. Solac, just, if you can just spare me for a moment of just having like four of the 11 players of the Georgia defense. The Giants basically have just, this is as a Giants fan,

just the most three. It's not like anything flash or anything. But they just perfectly aligned everything they needed and was terrible on their roster with like value. Like they got Deonti Banks to cornerback for Maryland. Like again, they made the playoffs and the problem with that is that you might draft worse. They would have taken Deonti Banks to think if they were picking 10 spots earlier in the first round.

And then they got John Michael Schmitz who I like the best or second best center in the entire draft just falls to them in the second round. And then they get Jalen Hyatt, the receiver from Tennessee that we thought was a fringe first rounder, they just get them in the third rounder. And they're like, that's everything they don't have. It's just, oh my God. This is just absolutely thrilling. They're still kind of a bad team, but it doesn't matter because now they're good.

Not to throw water, cold water on this, because I really do like these picks, but how, who's going to play? They're all slot receivers. Jalen Hyatt is very fast, but he's also a slot receiver. I love that the Giants are just going the all slot team. But it is an awesome value because like Hyatt said, Jaylon Hyatt, I thought was going to be a first-arm pick. I'm sure I mocked Jalen Hyatt to the Giants at one point in the first round during this draft period.

He got gassed up a little bit too much, but he was the Bolitnikov winner. He scored 15 touchdowns, I want to say, this last season, including five against Alabama. They just had no answer for, you know, for what he could do stretching the field. He's got five against the Georgia defense for Philadelphia now. Yeah, so I like this pick a lot. I love John Michael Schmitz. I was a little annoyed at the Seahawks for taking Charbonnet and then losing John Michael Schmitz. I'll be totally honest with you.

And so, yeah, I think they're having a great draft. Hypertz, which giant's receiver is going to have the most catches this season? All the Giants' problems are solved, as Hyphid said. Now, who's the leading receiver? Receiver, when you say receiver, I think of

their receiver as three of their injury-prone slot receivers together in a trench coat equals one guy, right? So it's like Darrowler? Paris Campbell, Wondell Robbins. You know, if you put all these guys together into one player, that guy will lead the NFL in every category. Gosh, Darius Slay and James

Bradbury are about to press every single one of these individuals into the sideline. I think the Giants have the weirdest receiving core I've ever seen. I actually don't know what their plan is if these guys are all healthy. Have you seen the Texans receiving core? Yeah, at least it's just straight up bad though.

The Giants have like seven fine receivers and they're all the same. Isaiah Hodgins, Paris Campbell, Wondell Robinson, Sterling Shepard, Darius Slate and Jalen Guy it. Jameson Crowder. David Sills, the fifth, who apparently Giants fans love him. I can just see Brian

Davele. I love David. I can see Brian Daibel taking a rip of his vape pen, which he got on camera, by the way, after they the John Michael Spinson going, hell yeah. Listen, if I put five receivers on the field, there's basically three slots, and so I can get all three of my slot receivers on the field. That's how math works, right?

I honestly don't know how these people play together, because Isaiah Hodgins is like the biggest of these people with like Darren Waller. I think, you know what? Can Paris Campbell? Paris Campbell can probably play on the outside, right? I think, I think, I think your optimal is your ex is Isaiah Hodgins. Your Z is Jalen Hyatt.

Is Darius Slate's still there? Yeah. But you just said the optimal is the exes. You said Isaiah Hodgans, who is the practice squad guy? They scooped up in November. He's good. I like Isaiah. And then Jaylon Huyall slash Darius Slate is your Z.

And then. Wondale running back. Wondale is your, I think your slot, right? You're driving in like top 50. And then Parrish Campbell is your backup slot. And Sterling Shepard is your starting slot when he's healthy. Also your backup. slot and who is the fourth slot receiver that they have?

Did you say James and Crowder? Jameson Crowder is your second backup slot on the other side. They should load management their wide receivers. They should be the first team to try this where they just like have a rotating list. Like in hockey with like the lines. Yeah. Every game is just like a different reset. They could totally do hockey lines.

Every quarter is just like shuffling in new guys. That's how that's how the air raid works. The air raid like in college where they have like 110 scholarship kids. They'll just bring a bunch of wide receivers in and they'll have guys that put out there to make the corners run really far, and then they'll get the actual starting receiver back in when the corner's tired, and then he'll outrun him for a touchdown. Yeah, you'll be the first wide receiving core

that has, like, rotations. And you're like, man, I hate this. Paris Campbell, Wondell, Robinson, Jameson, Crowder rotation. They need to sub that out for the Hyatt, Campbell Hodgons rotation. Giants are just light years ahead of everyone. Speaking of which, Austin, Austin Gale is here with us in studio,

which is an honor and a privilege. Hop on mic, kid. Austin here he is I don't even know how to explain how you've helped our podcast but I'm just going to skip to you're a tortured Raiders

He suggested we do all the sex talk Yeah That was his idea I'm pulling the strings behind the scene For the SCEO Sex sales Austin I would like to know How you feel so about two things

One Michael Mayor Notre Dame Tidenn Falls to the Las Vegas Raiders But more importantly I think that the Raiders are literally the hottest team in the league and I don't mean like the cool team. I mean between Jimmy Garoppolo, Michael Mayer

and the dude, Tyree Wilson you got in the first round. Like you have a like you're a hot team. Austin is a Raiders fan for context. I don't know. No, Austin's here for the Sex. That's why we're talking about how hot the Raiders are. He's just a fan of Vegas in general. Yeah. Sex sells. As we know,

Michael Mayer immediately one of the hottest dudes in Vegas. I think that's always a high value. He was my favorite pick the class. I was not as high on Tyree Wilson. I feel like I'll worry about the age, the foot injury, the production, etc. Would have rather gone Jaylenley Carter there. I heard he's on the Eagles.

Go, bird? No, but I mean, in terms of making your roster hotter, I think the Michael Mayor pick is a slam dunk. Can I add something on Zach Sharbonnex? I didn't get to because I don't know giants. It's not actually meaningful. Is he hot too? Maybe. We'll look into it.

The Seahawks released. I'm on it. The Seahawks released the video of him being drafted, and he made John Schneider was like, dude, we're so excited to have you. A great place to I or just like a Seahawk. And then he goes, you know we run the crud out of the ball up here. And I was like, yes, you do, John Schneider. You do run the crud. They are.

They are who they are. And they're not changing. How should I feel about my boy Ken Walker now? Bad? I think not excited, but not bad. Okay. He's still going to get a lot of volume. They're going to run the ball a lot.

J.J. Zacharisen tweeted, Kenneth Walker had the worst success rate in football. last year among 100 plus attempt running backs. Right. That's what I'm talking about in terms of as soon as Sharvening was picked, a lot of people were like, well, this is a huge indictment on Kent Walker because he was very boom-bussed.

If you look at the stats, like the success rate, he was either tackled at or behind the line of scrimmage or tackled for what's not like a successful run, which is defined whatever. I'm not going to get into that. Above expected. Right. Well, it's like a first round run is successful. It's over four yards or whatever. Like, there's a success rate.

It's like 50% of it. of the yards on second down and 40% of first down. It's complicated. It doesn't matter. But he was basically a boom or bust runner. He would either create like a huge explosive play or he'd get hit at the line and knock down or whatever.

And so he was one of the worst in terms of his overall success rate. So I think there's people reading into that. I really personally don't think this has anything to do with him. I just think they are obsessed with stacking running backs and picking these guys. So he's still going to get a lot of volume. He's still going to create explosive plays. He's still going to score touchdowns. And honestly, if the Seahawks,

Offense is as good as I think it can be, they're going to be more efficient this year. So it'll be good for everyone. But obviously, this isn't like a rocket ship situation for Kenneth Walker. Yeah. It's always a buzzkill when a running back you like finally gets like the sole job, and then they draft a guy,

and you're like, great. The running back position in dynasty is a fucking mess. Dejan is the number one running back in dynasty right now. And Jemir Gibbs is probably in the top seven or something like that at this point. 102, Devon A-Chane. Oh, I love him. Love him. The vibrations.

I was laughing about that for like 20 minutes after we finish the conversation. And the way she grabs the table. Molly shaded rules. All right. Any other vibrations you guys want to hit her? What to get out of here? Colts, good job. Josh Downs.

Jags, bad job. What are you doing? Chiefs, kind of weird, but I get it. Patriots, drafting only Patriots guys. Weird defensive players who nobody thought we're going to go there. That makes sense. Steelers are incredible. Niners drafted a kicker and a bad tight end.

Just the Niners burning draft after draft after draft and being good. It's funny to me. Good job, Bill's. Good job, Ravens. I also want to shout out a question. Where were you guys in April of 2016? Remember that? Remember April of 2016?

Where were you doing? I was in Chicago watching the Eagles draft across and ones. I was in college probably not watching the draft. I don't know. That was the last time the Rams picked in the top 50 until today. Wow. Steve Avila, Groundbreaker.

Guard. Guard. Left Guard. Congrats. I just think it's funny how many American events have transpired in the time

which the Rams just like basically picked in the first round of half. I mean, we've been through some shit in the last whatever years. Like Trump was president and then lost

and then might win again before they take another non-guard. Okay. Thank you, everyone for listening. We have another episode dropping Saturday after the draft

our whole recap and that will be Select's last episode with us and we're going to go back Ringer Fantasy Football show he's staying with the ringer thank you

he's still a ringer employee he's just leaving the Fantasy pod well he's leaving because we're restarting the fantasy pod I'll go away from being a host and to being a loyal listener I got Dynasty drafts coming up man don't take fucking Kenneth Walker

that's all I can say rebooting fantasy football dot the rearro.com next week of their rankings we're going over top 20 dynasty landing spots regular rookie landing spots, all that jazz. Stick with us.

And again, draft recap of the whole weekend, whole draft coming up later this weekend. Thank you, everyone for listening. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you, Sulek. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, Kai, for producing this episode. Thank you to whoever revealed that pointed out

this Lucas Vendos video and shared it with the world. Thank you for ever captured that. Thank you, Lauren. Lord. Lord. Thank you, Molly Crew. Nice. Wait, did they perform at the draft with Fell Out Boy?

They were one of the bands. It was Fallout Boy, Motley Crew, and then the other jazz guy whose name I can't remember. Oh, Thunder Cat. Thunder Cat. Ethan Hawk was at the draft with Fallout Boy?

No. It was probably just voiceover. No, they couldn't pay him enough to make the trip. Actually, it was from a movie, technically, which we didn't realize. Yeah, some reality bites, which I've seen.

I did miss that, though. So that's on me. Disappointing. Yeah. Motley Crew, though, shouts out Nikki Six. That's the only guy can name in that name. What's his real name?

Who no one knows? I don't think of it. Doolipa. Oh, we were talking. So many emails to say, do A Lipa's real name is doa Lipa. Yeah, I need some, if anybody knows what's going on, usually when you're on Wikipedia, on the right side, there's like a, there's like a kind of like a separate bio section, and it usually says the person's name next to Born, Born Craig Lewis Horrobeck.

It doesn't say anything next to Doa Lipa. Well, I think there's a reason for that. I think that she is of something. like either Albanian descent or something in like Eastern Europe and her parents were like Austin's losing a shit right. He is correct.

He is correct. He was like, this is the good content right here. He's of Albanian and Yugoslavian descent. Kosovo. Oh my God. It's so funny that the draft process is so much oriented on getting bios

of these guys and we never do it on this pod. We're never like Jack Campbell, whose father was a this and he has three brothers and everything. When it comes to Duolipa, we're like, well, she's Albanian and you. Right, obviously. It says her name means love in Albania. The name means love. I guess.

Who knows what's real? This is real half-ass internet research right here. Did you know that Brett Michaels' full name is Brett Michael Sightak, aka Brett Michael S, aka Brett Michael's? No, that's it. That's all. I'm just kind of deep in Duolipa. It's phrasing.

Don't cut that. Fraising. Jesus. Are we not doing phrasing anymore? So who are the best prospects left for day three? Atabare, baby. Keeley Ringo. Ringo.

Duan Jones. Oh, yeah, he's the day three guy. Remember how he quit the senior role after one day? Yeah, maybe he actually was injured. Might have been, yeah. Clark Phillips? Love with Clark Phillips? Nothing.

That's all? Seems to be her real name. We even already did the thank you, so we can't even go back and do that. We'll pick up it tomorrow. Perfect. Goodbye, everyone.