The Ringer NFL Show - The All-Stinky Team. Plus, Are Horses Athletes?

Episode Date: July 17, 2025

Subscribe to our new YouTube channel! The guys walk through some of this year’s most nauseating picks and make the case for why you should be targeting them despite their lack of fantasy sex appeal. Plus, emails! (00:00) Intro (3:20) Anthony Richardson, Colts QB (8:50) Michael Pittman Jr., Colts WR (11:55) Marvin Harrison Jr., Cardinals WR (17:12) Jerry Jeudy, Browns WR (22:02) Jaylen Waddle, Dolphins WR (29:17) Chris Olave, Saints WR (35:15) Kyle Pitts, Falcons TE (42:33) Mark Andrews, Ravens TE (46:58) Najee Harris, Chargers RB (52:09) Travis Etienne Jr., Jaguars RB (58:16) Javonte Williams, Cowboys RB and J.K. Dobbins, Broncos RB (01:04:55) Emails! Check out our 2025 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here!  Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Kai Grady and Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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on Spotify or wherever you watch or listen to your podcast. Let's go! Welcome to the Rear Fantasy Football Show! Oh my guys, I spilled my water. Fuck! We should keep that in. That's funny.

That's good. Oh, Christ. This is the day from hell. I'm keeping it. Did you spill water and equipment? Is everything okay? It's just a charger. It's fine.

I just, because I always kind of do like, you know, something like my arm and it was just a matter of time. What happens you get a car? You know what? Let's just start the show. Yeah, welcome to ring of fantasy football show. My name is Dana. Hi, Vincent, Danny, Kelly Crick, Rollback.

Not really the same when I can't yell it. But, yeah, there's water all over my floor. Today we're doing the all stanky team. And let's describe what that is for the later. I just rattle. This is something we've never done before. So we usually, and we will do this later this year, we do the all boring team, right? Which is like the players that you draft that nobody makes a peep about,

you draft James Connor, nobody says a word, James. Connor ends up being like the RB 11. Right. And so there's always a list of like the Keenan Allen, the James Connor types. The anti-hype guys. The anti-hype guys. We were discussing doing that again. And we started to bring up some names.

And we were like, oh, you know, Michael Pittman. Is Michael Pittman boring or is he kind of stinky? Michael Pittman, and it's a good example because there are guys who used to be boring, but now I physically recoil at the thought of having them. So, for example, Jalid Waddle is someone who used to be exciting, but now I hate him. And so there are players, Anthony Richardson, one year ago, super sexy, cool. Now, physically repulsive. Now he reeks.

Like, you know. Are these the people that you like judge your league made a little bit if they take this guy? These are the names that when you draft them, when you draft Javonte Williams, everybody in your league will verbally make fun of you. And we're going to construct a roster of those players that could win your league or at least do really well. And yeah, it's kind of like, is there any value in having any of these guys, basically, is there a way to arbitrage like general disgust? Are we able to get value out of that?

Is there an edge in targeting disgusting players? Or is it worth, at the very least, just actually confirming, yeah, all these guys are disgusting for a reason, stay away from them with the 10-foot pole. And I think it's kind of like that, again, the Seinfeld episode, I think there's like an ugly baby and they're all like, oh, but you're not supposed to say anything. It's one of those where your friend shows you his team. You're like, hey, I just drafted this team. What do you think?

And you're looking like, oh, oh, my God. Vante Williams, RB2. Ugh. And so, yeah, that's the goal of today's exercise. So with that said, the quarterback of the all-stanky team has to be none other than Anthony Richardson. He reached. I just think he has to. Yeah, it's disgusting.

Can you compare him to a cheese, a stinky cheese? What type of cheese is? I feel like the blue cheese is the stinky ones, right? Yeah. But it's like an old, I know blue cheese is already molded. Rockfort? Oh, I don't know Rockford. Rokefort?

I don't know if I know if I know cheese well enough to do it. I mean, I'm lactose intolerance. I'm the wrong guy. Richard said is an old Gouda that you forgot in the back of your fridge. More like a batter. Oh. God, between that and the water.

That was really nice and unique to laugh at that. Really, really considerate. That was an extreme. The worst extreme dad joke. Anyway. I'm actually coming around on it. I think it's a good joke. Speaking of which,

I'm coming around. I've decided that I think Anthony Richardson is the most obvious by the dead player I've ever seen in history of fantasy football. Yeah, his his reputation can't get a lot worse right now, I feel like, other than if he was just out of the league. Here's what. He's being drafted like he's Cadarious Tony. Craig, do you know in like a regular league, like if you're on ESPN, CBS, Yahoo, whatever, where Anthony Richardson is being drafted? At his position or overall? Overall.

Oh, I don't know. he's probably going in between 150 and 200. Trick question. He's not being drafted. Like Anthony Richardson is unranked, basically. He's outside the top 200. ESPN, not to pick on ESPN, but ESPN has him behind Deonté Johnson in Cleveland.

Like, Deonti Johnson, who is giving interviews about how he didn't want to try, and the Raven sent him into a game and he wouldn't go. Like, he's above Anthony Richardson. And all that's to say, I understand. Which is ironic because you're making. making fun of Deontay Johnson, a guy who didn't want to go in the game with Anthony Richardson, a guy who literally left because he was tired. Well, yeah, but at least for one play.

Here's the thing. I know Anthony Richardson had a bad year. I know he left the game because he was tired. I know that Anthony Richardson, does Anthony Richardson have a completion percentage in his career, lower than Shaquille O'Neill's career free throw percentage? Yes, he does. Is that bad? Yes.

I understand Anthony Richardson might literally not be the starting quarterback for the Colts this year. Like, literally Daniel Jones might just start week one. I get all that. having said that, every player who is undrafted in fantasy football is expected to have a bad season or may not play. Every player outside the top 140 players may not play football. The difference is that if Anthony Richardson actually does play, he could be the single most impactful player in all of fantasy football outside the top 130, 140. Not a single person has the upside. Anthony Richardson does.

And again, I'm not saying he's definitely going to be it. I'm just saying he's literally your last pick. You can just take him and just hold him for two weeks and see if Daniel Jones sucks or gets hurt because Dana Jones again left the Giants and poor because he had a neck injury and couldn't throw a football very far. I'm just saying I understand Anthony Richardson's bad, but he fell 140 spots from last season. The pendulum swung way too far. I wanted to see a real-life application of this. So I went and just looked at my Scott Fishball team.

the league that I'm in, it's a super flex league. So quarterbacks are very important. He went in the 14th round. And that's 12th league where quarterbacks going first of all. Yes. Yeah. It's super flex.

Like quarterbacks are like so much more important. So people are, I think the pendulum has swung too far to the point where it is embarrassing to draft him. I think people were like, I'm not taking him because they're going to make fun of me for this. Yeah. I mean,

we had like a 30 minute argument last year in person in L.A. about whether Anthony Richardson should be in tier one of quarterbacks being drafted. And then we knew he probably wasn't good. And that's what I'm saying is just we're over-corrected. And again, Anthony Richardson, maybe Daniel Jones keeps the job and plays all six to 17 games. I'm just saying it doesn't matter

because the other people around Anthony Richardson are other people who may not play. It's third string running backs. It's backup tight ends. And it is fifth string receivers. And I'm just saying, Johnson's not even going to play this game. No, he won't get it.

team, dude, Keenan Allen and Amari Cooper are going ahead of him. Neither which is not on teams. My point being this, the other part of this, Anthony Richardson thing, Anthony Richardson is 23. Anthony Richardson is the exact same age as Cam Ward. Yeah. Like, dead ass, they were born three days apart. Cam Ward is the number one pick in the NFL draft.

Dead ass. That's how you know the phrase is dead because now I'm a white 30-year-old guy, say dead ass, which is how you know the phrase is kind of circled, circled through the culture. Even I cringed a little when you said that, yeah. Was it worse when I, what was more cringe so far? Me spilling my water in the intro. Me saying Gouda more like Bata or me saying, I'm all in on the Gouda Bata thing.

I think that's actually a really good thing. I think that is why the answer is Gouda Bata. It's basically like that. Anyway. So are you guys with a great taste in comedy? To be clear, I'm not saying Richardson should be your starting quarterback. I'm saying that if you have literally any starting quarterback from number one, Josh Allen to number 20, Trevor Lawrence,

your backup is perfect. Anthony Richardson being your backup quarterback is basically the perfect backup quarterback. If it doesn't play, you cut him. It's really hard to make the argument that you shouldn't do this with the very last pick in your draft. All right, so there you go, stanky. Let's get to everyone else on this list

who I kind of hate, but I think to your point, Michael Pittman, who is on the cult's receiver, do we feel the same way about Pittman, though? I mean, he's so stinky. No one's going to praise you for drafting him, but like I think it's getting a little out of hand how much he's falling. Fantasy Bros has him ranked as the wide receiver, 46?

Michael Pittman? I mean, two seasons ago, he had 109 catches. He was the wide receiver 19 with Gardner Minshu. Like, he doesn't need a lot to be decent. And also not to mention, yeah, sure, last year was a disaster for the cults in many ways. Anthony de Richardson was terrible. But also, Michael Pittman fractured his back

and played all but one game last year. There was a report that he was going to go on IR and then he just showed up the next game and didn't miss the rest of the season. He has averaged 140 targets per 17 games over the last four seasons. The Pittman argument to me is the opposite

of everything I just said about Anthony Richardson, you listen to and we're like, wow, Highfitts is an idiot. There's no way Anthony Richardson's going to play. Then Daniel Jones will be the quarterback. And Michael Pittman outside the top 100 seems like a pretty good value just for PPR alone. I mean, sure.

Like Wondale Robinson had like 100 catches last year. Daniel Jones is capable of keeping one to two wide receivers relevant in fantasy football. Michael Pittman's not bad. Michael Pittman's like two Wondell Robinson's and a trench coat stacked on top. Exactly. Like Michael Pittman is a decent player. I don't know if he's great, but like Michael Pittman is a solid wide receiver in the NFL. And so if it's Daniel Jones, like this guy is going to double his value.

I still kind of don't want Michael Pittman even after you. I agree that we were saying, but I like this. You do? Yeah. I kind of increasingly just kind of think if there's a cult I want, it's Tyler Warren. The Colts situation this year reminds me of the way that we were talking about the Chargers last year,

where it was going to be a miracle if they throw the ball 18 times in a game. You know what I mean? That's what I think we kind of looked at it like. Now, obviously, the quarterback situation is very different. And we were kind of betting on Herbert. But I think just at the end of the day,

there's, I shudder at saying this, but like somebody is going to have production in this offense, right? Like, it's not going to be nothing. I think at this point, And Craig's-flash-forward, it ends up being nothing. Craig's argument is that it's getting ridiculous how low he's rated. Why, receiver 46? I just think is-

I completely agree with that, yeah. He's a little low. I just think, I do think that there's- He's going around like Cooper Cup. I'm like, come on. Would you rather have Michael Pittman or Josh Downs in fantasy of the whole year? I mean, I'd rather have Josh Downs in Dynasty. I think long-term, he's very good, but he doesn't, he's not going to be on the field for two-odd-receiver sets.

I don't know. I might still probably take, I think Downs is the ceiling play. Pittman is the floor play, so it depends what you want. Because Downs is very good. They're probably pretty close, right? I think there's a chance that Pittman ends up being the same. I don't know. We'll see. I think that Jonathan Taylor is the focal point of the offense, and I honestly think there will be one pass catcher that you want from this offense, and I kind of think it might end up being Tyler Warren.

Pitman, I think I can take the stank out, but I don't want Pittman. But we can take the stank off. I mean, let's be clear. I don't want most people on this list, but we're making the argument why it might be a valuable selection. Okay, give us another receiver that feels stanky to you. I mean, this is not nearly to the level of those two guys, but Marvin Harrison Jr. right now, I feel like his reputation is taking a massive shot. I think it's partly, you know,

do the fact that expectations were sky high last year. And he fell very, very far short of like what everyone kind of expecting him to do. But he to me feels like one of the biggest post-type values in fantasy just because of the, I guess, just the taste in your mouth, from having him last year. People are just going to be like, ah, I'm not going down that train again.

I also think, like, if you look at the lack of chemistry he showed with Kyler Murray, the lack of creativity, Drew Petzing, the offensive coordinator for the Cardinals showed in terms of just like,

Marvin Harrison, you drafted him fourth overall, and then he's running, like, clear out routes on the outside, like wind sprints. So that was really disconcerting. So those two things together,

plus the mile per hour stuff from early in the season. You remember the, they were like tracking Marvin Harrison, how fast he was running, and it was incredibly slow. And everyone was like, oh, now I see why he didn't run in the pre-draft process at all.

Maybe this guy's just actually really slow. I think those things working together, his, just like the cool factor, the hype factor, the vibe around him is really, really bad right now, or at least relative to last year. So I think he's a really good value. If you look at his numbers from last year, they weren't even all that bad.

I think it was just, again, relative to expectation. But he had 116 targets and a 22% target rate, both pretty strong numbers inside the top 23, both of those numbers among all receivers last year. I think the big thing, and I'm hoping this is what happens, and I think if it does happen, is what's going to make him a huge value in fantasy

is the Cardinals figure out, we got to get this guy more easy buckets. We got to get more easy targets, catch and runs, short and intermediate area. He had zero, I want to say zero targets behind the line of scrimmage. You know what I mean?

So he was not. Maybe he's because he's not fast. Well, sure. But I think when you draft a guy fourth overall, maybe you should find a way to get him the football. It's probably true. He had catch rate was 53%. That was 176 that of 192 qualifying skill players last year.

But that statistic. That statistic you just said, catch rate. Does that tell you more about Marvin Harrison Jr? Because that's not a receiver stat as much as it's a quarterback and receiver. I think it was a quarterback. It's everything I just said. It's quarterback not being on the same page as a receiver. It's the types of targets he was getting,

which were higher degree of difficulty downfield. and it was, you know, lack of chemistry with Kyler. We didn't really say that. But yeah. Well, here's my question about that because I think Cardinals, I'm into the Cardinals. I regret we just recorded our last episode about which teams will go into the playoffs. I wish I'd put the Cardinals in. I'm a big believer in the Cardinals, defense offense.

My one question with Arizona is when you say, Kyler's not on the same page with Marvin Erison, is that like with more reps they'll get on the same page? Or is that Kyler, because he's short, has the Russell Wilson thing, where it's harder for Kyler to play in rhythm necessarily. How much of it should we expect to improve with the full off season? Well, like, is it smart to assume it'll improve it? Or is it just baked into what Kyler does in offense? No, I think, I mean, if you look at, didn't we compare Marvin Harrison in some ways to like a DeAndre Hopkins type player where it wasn't like pure blazing speed that was going to be what makes him good. It was, you know, his ability

to separate his hands, all that stuff. And, you know, I think we saw Hopkins in Arizona with Tyler Murray, and they figured out a way to make a connection. So I don't think it's necessarily Kyler, the type of quarterback Kyler is, is just not going to work with Marvin Harrison. I don't think that's the case. I'm looking at some of Hopkins numbers. I mean, he didn't play full seasons in Arizona, but in 2020, 160 targets, 115 catches, 1,400 yards, six touchdowns.

And one of the best catches. One of the craziest catches you've ever seen that, you know, when he came down with that ball in the end zone. So, you know, obviously that's like a, This is like, again, we're building scenarios where these guys who have terrible, like, vibes around them right now end up being really great values and fantasy. And I think if petting decides to get him to ball more because he picked them fourth overall and he's a great playmaker. And Kyler and Marvin Harrison's like chemistry improves.

I think those two things alone, he's going to outplay his ADP. Yeah, I think this is simple. It's like I think Marvin Harrison Jr. struggles because of so many other rookie wide receivers have hit the ground running lately. There's been a lot of receivers taken in the top 10, top 15, who have just been like good right out the gate, like Malik neighbors or Brian Thomas, like a lot of first round guys have hit and he didn't. But it was still like, what did he have, 900 yards last year?

It wasn't that bad. I think it's like for a guy with his talent profile who is the number one receiver on his team along with Trey McBride. I'm like, what is he? Like the wide receiver 20 now in drafts, it just feels like we're all going to feel stupid if he has a great year next year. And it's like, of course, he needed a year to get acclimated. It's happened sometimes with NFL players.

Like, not everybody's going to hit the ground running. It doesn't mean your career is over. His arms are big. Have he seen his biceps? Yeah. He's got anchor arms now. I don't know. I just think he's better than what he was last year.

And he's going to play closer to that this year. I don't know if he's full stinky, but he's a little stinky. He forgot to wear deodorant for like a day. Next guy I want to talk about was, I think the stinkiest guy in the entire list to me is Jerry Judy, receiver from the Browns. This guy can't catch a break. We got to just get him to play with James Winston for the rest of his career because he'll go to the Hall of Fame if that happens.

I actually have the splits of Jerry Judy with him without James Winston. So when James Winston started from week seven to week 15 for the Browns last year, Jerry Judy, of all people, was the number four receiver in fantasy football, only behind Jamar Chase, Pooka, and Ammanra, St. Brown. Jerry Judy was ahead of Cid Lamb when James was the starter. And to that point, Jerry Judy with James Winston literally doubled his fantasy points per route

on the rest of his career. Literally every route he ran with James was more than twice as valuable as every of the route in his career combined. To the point that Jerry Judy played 9% of his career games with James Winston, but has gotten 19% of his career receiving yards to James Winston. He was sixth in the NFL and receiving yards last year. It's unbelievable.

Even if you just look at the entire season, he was 14th in receiving yards per game. That's how crazy the James patch was that if you look at the entire season, he was still top 15. Which is why it's funny to try to project Malik Nabors this year because James Winston signed with the Giants, but James Winston is probably also the third quarterback.

So it's like James Winston probably won't play for the Giants, but if he did, Malik Neighbors might legitimately break all the records. Mike Nevers was a chance to get 250 yards in a game, which Jared Judy did last year. So what I said, Jerry Judy, though, does not have James. this year. And he's one of the harder players, I think, to pick. Just this is a, you know, plug your nose and

hit the pick button type of deal. Just because we don't know who the quarterback's going to be. Right now, it's Joe Flacco, Kenny Pickett, Shudder Sanders, and Dylan Gabriel. And maybe Gabriel is the head of Sanders on that. I don't even know. But should be. This is just a terrible situation

in terms of offensive environment. This is another team that plays in the cold in snow and winds late in the season. Like, it just doesn't feel great to pick Jerry Judy and it feels like it's going to go terribly. However, I kind of feel like if Flacco is starting early in the year, like Judy might kind of go off early on in season at least. No, I'm not getting on board with this.

Take him. He's going to be like the wide receiver 12 for the first month of the season and then trade his ass. I just feel like Jerry Judy himself has had a poor attitude at times. I think the Browns, Kevin Stefansky is on the precipice of getting fired. Like the Browns just scream. Like how many times? do we say like the answer so many times as well there's always an offense like well someone's

going to get targets it's like yeah but there's always five teams that you don't want anybody on the goddamn team you want to watch them every week you don't want them every week and I just think the browns after doing the playoff exercise a couple days ago I just think there's zero fucking chance the browns make the playoffs I don't want anyone in the Cleveland Browns for a team that has had terrible vibes for the last five years the vibes are somehow like maybe at an all time ago this year right things are not great quarterback position. Quincyon.

Things can get worse. A lot is bad. Well, Deshawn Watson somehow is still like under contract but has been like exiled from the building even though they're still paying him. Yeah. The only, D.K., I guess you're right. With Flacco, I mean, we saw what Flacco did for David and Joku on the Brown. I would probably be more into him than Judy.

But I think at the end of this exercise, we should pick the stinkiest player. I think Judy. To be clear, the plan is, plan A. How old is Joe Flacco? 38, 39, yeah. Plan A, the best case scenario is Joe Flacco plays the entire season for the Cleveland Browns and Pepper's Judy because Joe Flacko has no. Joe Flacco is 40. He's 40.

Again, Tom Brady has skewed this and Rogers. There was before Brady, no quarterback had really gotten through a full season at 40 unscathed other than one fire season. I desperately want Joe Flacco to be the start. Also, the Browns for a long time have had to. a good offensive line. They no longer do. The Browns' offensive line is bad. It is bad. And also the Browns offensive line next season is like a time bomb

because all these guys are either old or being paid like it's a disaster. So I think the Browns, I feel this I mean even before Quinn John Judkins had that incident. I have, I just this team, it's the Cleveland Browns. I don't want them. I'm out. Judy is going around guys like Jordan Addison

Roma Dunzee, George Pickens. I mean, yeah, John Jay. All those guys, I'd rather have all those guys. like obvious like I can see it. No, I don't want to. I'm not going to try to be clear biased. But that's fair. I don't like Judy personally.

We had to come up with somebody. I was assigned to Jerry Judy when we were making the dog. Well, he sucks. He gets like I did this against my will. This was a soul searching mission. I assigned myself Jalen Waddle for the Miami Dolphins. I kind of think Waddle's going to go off to series. I was going to say, I actually think just learned you have to do the least

like convincing. Well, that's the thing because Craig, how much did I, I actually think we argued about Waddle a ton last year because Craig and I were like, I hate this guy. I traded for him. You guys are idiots. And I'm like, so I went back and I was like, why do I hate him so much? And I'm just going to do, you know, cutting edge fantasy football analysis.

I'm going to read how many points he scored in half PPR each week of the first three months of the season. I'm getting triggered. Here's how many points Jail and Wattle had every week of the first three months of the season. 13, 6, 4, 5, 6, 1, 6, 6, 7, 4. and then kick in the nuts, week 12, he had 24. Dude, I, I remember, we used to say, like, Jerry Judy had more points today than Waddle's had in a month. Yeah, and that's true.

That happened. I'm on Monday at football. So here's the thing. We think of Jalen Waddle as this boombuss player. Jailen Waddle has had 20 points in a week three times in the last two seasons. So that really did remind me, I do hate Jailen Waddle. But similar to the Anthony Richards thing, whereas Jail Loddle. Waddle last year was being drafted like 26th.

Jalen Waddle is now available this year, 60th. And which is where I start thinking, so let me get this straight. If Tua plays and the Miami offense is good, which is not hard to imagine, there were struggles when two was healthy as well, but like, it's not hard to imagine the offense offense being special. We're now depending on Tyree Kill who's 31 years old, still being the fastest player in the NFL. And I know he's running his 100-yard dashes or whatever is really fast, but I'm like, it is pass it to the Italian's offense where

it's kicking and screaming. They're just like two guys get the ball. Miami has three receivers now without John Smith. It is Tyreek Hill, Jalen Waddle, Devon A. Chan. Those are the only people get to football. And so I'm just like, it is, I have really tried to look in the mirror and be like am I going to feel really stupid for just being hating Jail and Waddle and not taking him, even

though he's like, he could be your sixth pick? Can I give you guys a few of the receivers that are right in the same range as Waddle and you guys tell me like if you want if you want Waddle out of all these guys. Okay, I'll start here. Xavier Worthy, Zay Flowers, George Pickens, Waddle, Godwin,

Judy, Calvin Ridley. I would rather have, I would rather have Waddle over, I think you said Godwin, Zay Flowers, Xavier Worthy, I'd rather have Waddle over all those guys. Pickens is close.

Pickens I would rather have, I think. But yeah, I get your point. I agree with you. I mean as much as I hate Jalen Waddle in fantasy. Yeah, he's like, you can get him in this,

fifth or six round now, and they lost 111 targets with Johnny Smith. The Dolvins were not vertical last year. They were just like throwing Devon A-chan into Johnu-Smith, and they completely lost their like deep ball verticality, all that stuff. And there's just a chance that Jalen Waddle becomes the number one wide receiver on the team this year. And that's probably just immediately catapultz into like a top 10, top 15 receiver. But I hate him.

I hate him too. I hate him too. I don't want to. To be clear. Last year was excruciating. Radicalizing. There was, I think there was even one brutal play where like, don't you guys remember there was the game started?

And I believe he had like three catches for 70 yards in the first drive. Oh, yeah. And then everybody was tweeting me. We were all texting. And then I think he didn't catch a pass for the rest of the game. He also, he also. He had a crucial fumble at one point. I think he got hurt.

I think there was, was there a game he had negative yards? Yes. That was also humiliating. Is that because he like ran around trying to like. Oh, no, sorry. There was a game he had, this is also my hatred of PPR scoring in a nutshell. Jalen Waddle against Buffalo in week nine had two catches for negative four yards.

But he scored a touchdown. But you also explain that. Two catches, negative four yards scored a touchdown. We should also say Nick Wexper Kekine is on the Dolphins. I didn't actually. I forgot about that. Yeah. Yeah, that's true.

It's going to take a lot of. That's going to take a lot of touchdowns. That's an immediate 10 touchdowns. Yeah, I'll take Waddle over a lot of those guys you listed. So, yeah, I think if Waddle's going 55th or later, I'm like, all right, it's hard to find that much upside. I don't think he's that stinky in the court of public opinion. I think he's very stinky if you had him on your team last year. But I think people who have never drafted him, I think it would be like, oh, Jalen Wadle, fast.

Can I give you an aesthetic thought about something that I don't think is good fantasy football analysis, but true when I'm drafting? the difference between the way you've drafted, if you've taken like, you know, a running back, a running back, a receiver, a tight end. And if Jalen Waddle is being slotted into my second wide receiver spot, I hate it. But if Jalen Waddle is getting slotted in my flex spot, I feel really good about it.

Not bad, pretty nice. Even though that shouldn't be a thing, that's just how I feel. That's a thing. I think that makes tons of sense. I think it would be weird if it was the other way. Yeah, well, I just... I was always kind of...

Do you guys ever forget that Waddle was the sixth overall pick? and I believe they traded up for him. They traded up a lot for him. Because the dolphins, well, that was the, that was the Brockport, not the Brock Party trade. This is the Traylands trade, was that the Dolphins traded from three to 12 and they moved back up to six.

Right. To get Jalen Waddle. And so if you look at Tyree Kill and Jalen Waddle, they spent a combined, like, if you include the pick used to get Waddle, the future one to trade and the Tyra Kill, they got like three first round picks or four on those two guys or something.

something crazy. So the goal is to really have Waddle be your flex. That way, if he disappoints, you won't hate him as much. It's like, it's like parents, it's like they're first and second kid. They're nervous. They're watching them all the time. By the time they get the kid four, it's like, whatever, what happens happens? That's, if Waddle's your four.

Is that how people feel? Yeah. Parents with kid number four, they're bonking their head. They're not paying attention to them. It's a really different situation. They're bonk in bed. You guys want me to read off some names of players that average more half PVR points per game than Jalen Waddle last?

Dude, I literally think we did all this last year, but yeah. I have a list of plus. Do it again. More touchdowns. For old times' sake, Craig. Do it, D'K. Darnow Mooney, by quite a lot, actually. Let's see here.

Quentin Johnston. Where's he getting drafted now? Late. Let's see here. Jalen McMillan, Alan Lazzard, Alec, Alec, Alex Pierce. Al-Mil-Mio Dob. Horrific. Lazzard is.

Lazzard stinks. That one stinks. I haven't heard a word you said since Alan Lazzar and outscored Jalen Waddle. I haven't heard anything you said. I have another one. Players who had the same number of touchdowns last year as Jalen Waddle, Tyler Higney who played three games.

By the way. Yeah. Also, Jameson Crowder, who's 31 and had nine catches. Where was he? He spot started for Washington. James and Crowder had nine catches last year and has many touchdowns as Jalen Waddle. I haven't heard that name in a long time.

Yeah, he was playing for Washington. I really, it's fun, but also just so demoralizing doing these experiments. You're talking me out of him. Another receiver, this one's not hatred, but it's just kind of disappointed. I just feel bad for him is Chris Olavie on the Saints. Yeah. Tougher around out. Because I think he's probably one of the, he's one of the best receivers in the league

that is not famous at all. And nobody knows him. Like I think if Chris Olive were on a different team, like any decent team, he'd be twice as famous because he is like legitimately good. All the underlying metrics about like his ability. to get open, his yards per route run, his targets per route, run. All that is super legit. And yet he's like the cheapest wide receiver one going in drafts right now,

along with like Calvin Ridley and I guess Michael Pittman, if you want to include him. So he's a great price tag right now. The obvious downsides are that he's had four concussions and three, four confirmed concussions in his three seasons. He had two last year, missed some time. And he has. Miss half the season. Yeah.

And, you know, while you do have Kellyn Moore coming in to call plays, which is a plus. You have outside of Cleveland, I guess. No, this is maybe the worst quarterback situation in the league. It's Tyler Shuck and it's- Tyler Shuck and spent, again, what would you, actually, what would you rather option A-B? 40-year-old Joe Flacco,

followed by Dylan Gabriel, the owner-picking Shudder Sanders in Cleveland. Who am I forget? Oh, Kenny Pickett, or the New Orleans having Tyler Shuck, who is 26 and the same age as Trevor Lawrence and then Spencer Rattler. I think that Browns are way more well set up than the Saints. Well, I guess they have more.

More options. Yeah, they have like more swings at the plate. You know, it's like maybe Gabriel or Chador or I guess Flacco holds on or pick it. It comes back. With the Saints, it's like, all right, Spencer Rattler's not a starter. Well, the funny thing to me with the Saints and also just remind people, is that Derek Carr retired over the offseason. And the funny thing is that obviously there was so much frustration in New Orleans.

at Derek Carr. Like, the fans were so happy he retired. He's bad for their cab, everything. But the players were frustrated at Derek Carr. Like Michael Thomas was tweeting about him. And I think what's crazy is that Tyler Shuck plays exactly like Derek Carr, where he's willing to rip it, but he won't take contact because Tyler Shuck had

how many career-ending injuries, season ending injuries in college. And so Tyler Shuck is another player who will throw deep, but only if he's not going to take a hit and throw the ball away a lot. And I just Throw the ball away on fourth down, if you will. Yes, exactly. And so maybe the Saints won't be the worst team in the NFL, but the Saints are projected to be maybe the number one pick in the NFL

draft this year. And again, I don't want to watch this team. I don't want to draft Chris Oliva and cringe every time he gets tackled and watch Tyler Shuck try to develop chemistry with Chris Olavie. And then Tyler Shuck is benched and then Spencer Rattler trying to throw to Crystal Lave. And I'm like, maybe that'll work.

but I'm like the downside is the most predictable thing ever. Chris Olavay, miserable, again, all his Ohio State buddy. Also, all the Ohio State receivers are all miserable. Terry McLaureen can't get a contract. Garrett Wilson just got paid, but the Jets suck. He's going to be miserable with Justin Fields. Like all these guys are upset. All the LSU guys are winning.

I don't know. I just think that the Ohio State receiver group text is miserable. I feel like the Saints are going to be a lot better than people think. And I'm not saying they'll be good. I don't think they'll be good. It's like a playoff team. But I feel like right now everyone sees them as the worst team in the NFL. Do you think that's the right?

They're up there. I think the Giants are probably a better team, but the Giants have a much harder schedule. For some reason, the contrarian in me thinks they'll be like a 500 team. Well, it's like the Broncos last year. Like, if you think that the Saints can be an average offense, if you think the Saints,

like Tyler Shuck can lead an offense and be an average quarterback, then yeah, you should have Crystal Live and Alvin Camara, for sure. But if you think that Tyler Shuck is going to suck, I wouldn't take the Saints. suck for shuck I don't oh

too bet he wasn't a better prospect that would have been a good little thing would have well it would have been funny it would have been funny it would have been a good bit Craig yeah yeah

I feel like elave's ceiling is kind of just what he's done like I feel like his ceiling is still like 1100 yards and like six touchdowns unless Chuck is just like a revelation. So with that said, there's not a lot going on in New Orleans, man.

I know, but isn't it? I guess here's my thing. I just feel like if you could draft, what are the offense, like at the end of the season, what are the offenses you wish you had not had anyone on that team? And I feel like my first three picks in some order would be Saints Brown's Colts. And maybe the Giants are in there. But those teams feel really high.

Saints Brown's Colts, I really don't want anyone in that team, one guy at most. And you know what I mean? Like they just seem like they're going to lose a lot of games and suck. And everyone involved is going to get fired. And that's an underrated part of the bad teams is when the vibe sour, players stop trying all the time. You know what I mean?

Like that's my fear with Alvin Camara as well with the New Orleans is, what is the incentive for Alvin Camer to play through any kind of injury in December on the Saints team? You know what I mean? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. same thing.

I don't know. Watch Chris Oliva be the number one receiver in football show. Also, it's funny. You say that, but like, Chrisel Lave and Alvin Camara consistently in their interviews say that they love New Orleans. They love being on the team. They want to be there for life. Yeah, the city's awesome.

No doubt about the city. They're a 500 team. They'll be fine. All right. Well, there you go. So you're in. So just to keep track here, I'm out on Judy and on Waddle, out on Alave. But, DK, you're basically saying a lobby and Waddle, you're like maybe, maybe over the steak.

Alave is the best wide receiver talent-wise that you could get around that. Okay. I think at this point, Al-Avay is a great value. Should we do the stankiest player on the list now or save it for the end? Let's do it now. Okay. I'm curious who this is. I know I said Jerry Judy.

That was definitely wrong. The stankiest player in the entire list is Calipitz. It's like not even close. Oh, I thought it was someone else. Okay. You thought it was not yours? No. Oh, tries to the end?

Yeah. Oh, no. I think Kyle Pitts, Kyle Pitts has, I feel like people have given up on Kyle Pitts, so maybe that is. Kyle Pitts, it's like,

I think I feel weird even saying should you take Kyle Pitts. Man, what happened with Kyle Pitts? Yeah, Carl Pitts isn't even stinky. It's now come back around to like funny. It's ironic.

Yeah, it's like fashion. Everything comes out. It's like, I'm going to wear cargo shorts. Yeah. Okay, so Kyle Pitts, he's returned very,

very, very slowly from a knee injury suffered in 2022. I feel like we're talking about he's not healthy, but I'd, I looked it up. He got hurt in 2022.

It was like a very long time ago. He had multiple surgeries after that that of insurance like the entire following season. So he was bad the year after that, too. He's had a bunch of complications to that knee injury and or he is just injured a lot. And the result of it is he looks like he's moving in slow motion on the field. I heard I was listening to Greg Kossel the other day talking about it. And, you know, he's like always very, he couches everything. He's like, look, I'm not a coach.

I'm not with them in the meeting rooms. blah, blah, blah, blah. But it just doesn't really look like he has any fire when he's on the field. I was like, yeah. Like, he just, he's just going through the motions. That's what it looks like. He's not really running routes very hard. He doesn't like, it doesn't really look. I know. And it's like you got to be really careful about saying about saying this type of thing, but it just doesn't look like he cares. You know what I mean? Maybe he's just so demoralized from being hurt over the last few years. But that being said, there were a few moments last year. You will remember. We took him off of the Kyle Pitts. What was it?

The Burn book. The Honorary Kyle Pitts Burnbook. We took him out of that because he had a few good games. In weeks 1 through 8, actually, he was the tight end four in total points last season. And then he just completely fell off a cliff. I think he averaged like three points after that. By the way, the way you know somebody's really trying to convince you of a player is when they start talking about their total points over a stretch, not their points per game. He was 10 in 6 and points per game.

9.4 in total points. But that's more like this. You know what I mean? That guy didn't have a buy. Because there's buy weeks and stuff so you can kind of make it look better to say overall. He's still 23 years old, Craig. Right. Yeah.

He is actually 24 years old. Like that is. There was one play in particular, which I feel like sums up the Kyle Pitts experience over his career. He had a 49-yard touchdown against the Buccaneers last year where he caught a slant, like ran stiff-armed a guy from behind him. We were like, he is back. And then as he was running over the goal.

line, he gets stripped because he starts jogging and, like, celebrating too early. And I'm just like, God damn it. All the draft cliches are like, when you have Bella check, anyone asked, you're like, does this guy love football? Yeah. And no one ever wants to ever name anyone who doesn't love football.

Well, I mean, I'll do it. Canaeris, Tony. But I think that's, that is the question of a Kyle Pitts is like, why does it look like you don't care? Now, can I counter that TK? Mm-hmm. Contract year. Because there's a matter of like football. because everyone loves money.

So, youngest, he's, like, he's somehow, basically that's it. I would argue that Michael, like, Kirk Cousins played well in the first stretch, and then Kirk Cousins got hurt.

Like, he exacerbated what I was going to the Achilles. Like, clearly, Kirk Cousins couldn't fucking move. He was like a statue, like in the middle of the season. It's why he got benched. So you could argue Michael Pennix, Jr. Might be the best quarterback Kyle Pitts has ever played with. But that Kyle,

and Kyle Pitts is more experienced. than ever, yet he's the cheapest he's ever been. Sure. I love that. He's more experienced than ever. More experience than ever. That's what you know I'm fucking blind to myself. I'm older now than I've ever been.

But no, but all serious is, he's cheap. Kyle Pitts is like to be, I think the difference between now and the past is we have gone from Kyle Pitts, you should take in the fourth round. To Kyle Pitts is like a good, like, late tight end to have as your starter. Now what I'm saying is if you have drafted Tucker. Tucker Kraft and you need a backup tight end

just take Kyle Pitts like he's a backup tight end if Cowpit sucks you can cut him but what if Kyle Pitts is good like and that's the difference is there are very very very very very few tight ends that if they're better than we think

would actually be incredible for the most part the tight ends that are good outside the top 12 are like well what if they just scored a lot of touchdowns randomly like fucking Robert Tunyon did with the backers that one year wow Kyle Pitts is like, oh, he actually would just be like a wide receiver.

So he's going around guys like Hunter Henry, Colston Loveland, Zachertz. Exactly. Colston Loveland. And that's my point is there's only four tight ends to me that have a ton of upside of like, well, they probably won't be that good. But if they are, it will matter. As Colston Loveland and Tyler Warren, the rookies, who if they're good, they could matter. And again, they probably want the rookie dead ends, which generally don't work.

but Colson Loveland, could Sam Laporte a clone for Ben Johnson in Chicago? Tyler Warren would just be like, what if the entire offense is made out of Tyler Warren? That's D.K. You've compared him Dallas Goddard, Shane Steichen. Colts coach was the offense coordinator in Philadelphia. Maybe what if Tyler Warren's Dicely becomes the offense? And then to me, it's just Dalton Kincaid and Kyle Pitts, who are guys that we've given up on, even though tight end, is known to be the slowest developing position on all of offense, even up there with quarterback. And so it's that crazy. And injuries have been big factors for both of those guys.

Donald Kincaid at the crazy injury. that I barely understand. What was the name of it again? Compartment? No, what was it? No, that's awful. Yeah, I can't remember. It was like a French name.

It's the Morrell Lavalie lesion and his knee, which, and the point being, Kincaid and Pitts are the guys, along with Loveland and Warren, that if they're better than you think, it would matter. Because if Ertz is slightly better than we think, it doesn't matter beyond, I'm just happy. I don't have to stream a tight end. No, when you're getting 11 points a week instead of, like, eight. When you're drafting guys this late, like Zach Hertz scoring nine points a game versus seven points a game is irrelevant. You need somebody who could potentially put up 15 points a game.

And that is Kyle Pitts and it's Loveland and it's like maybe Isaiah likely down there if Mark Andrews gets hurt. But yeah. So there you go. I'm so glad. You know, this is why people listen to the show. And so they can come back and in the year of 2025. We're like, take Kyle Pitts and Anthony Richardson. A tradition unlike any other.

He's going like 130. Dude, people will draft a defense before Kyle Pitts. That's all I'm saying. He did have a touchdown against the commanders late in the season. Week 17, you guys remember that? Where Michael Pennix threaded a needle through like four defenders and it helped tie up the game. And I think they went to overtime.

That was our joke. That was her joke with Pennix was he doesn't know not to throw up Kyle Pitts yet. He hasn't figured that out. Pettix can sling it, man. Do you know that when Pennix came in is three games, a small sample, but how far the past traveled downfield was the furthest of any quarterback in the NFL by a lot other than Anthony Richardson, which takes. like that for what you will.

Just chucking it. Okay. The other tight end briefly is Mark Andrews, who D.K. I think gives you more the ick than any player in the NFL because he volleyball says passes. I went full circle, or not full half circle, I guess, and I started feeling bad for him. Like, he like made me mad earlier. We've been talking about bad smells, but like the bad taste in the mouth that Mark Andrews left for everybody. Just remind people, do you want me that you remind you how basically the Bill's Ravens had that.

In the playoffs, divisional round. Great game. Divisional round that felt like. AFC championship games. And which ended up, it just... They're right, because neither of those team made the Super Bowl. I know. But the Bill's Ravens played and then basically Mark Andrews had the ball, honestly, like, in his lap.

Was that a two-point conversion? Yes. And it would have tied or put them ahead? It would have put them ahead. They were down one. And he dropped it. He's reliving it. Oh, no, he's reliving it. It was fucking brutal, man. Yeah, like, that was one of those, like, fuck, I could have caught that moments.

Yeah. And so anyway, tough piece of Mark Andrews. Anyway, left the bad taste. Also, no, they were down by two. It would have gone to overtime. Oh, we're tied to them. They were down by two. But regardless, they didn't go to overtime.

It was game over at that point. Yeah. Do we want him this year? Because he was so, people dropped him in the first half of the season. He was so bad. Which, like, he was coming off, a very scary ankle injury in 2020. He got in a car crash right before the season. Which they made.

they McCaffreed. They like super lot. I mean, they understood. They were like he had no, he had no, what did they say? Like no,

it was like physical damage or something like, nothing mechanical. It was like the literal doctor. And then he had six catches in the first four weeks. Yeah. So, but the second half of the season. Nothing structural,

they said. Right. It's like that was a very specific word that legally protects you. Yeah. Yeah, weird. They spent a long time getting that word right. It's like his internal organs were not doing so well, but he structurally was fine.

Yeah, and like he was really bad at the first half of the year, but the second half of the year he was the number five tight end. And the argument with Mark Andrews is he is the cheapest you'll ever get him. He's basically now being drafted as the seventh tight end, which is the lowest you'll ever be able to get him. And before that, Mark Andrews, every year was a perennial top three tie end. It has been. The last three years, he was a tight end four, three, and one.

He was the only guy other than Travis Kelsey during Travis Kelsey's stretch to actually have a tied-in one season ahead of Kelsey. And he's 30 years old. He had 11 touchdowns last year. He's healthy. He had 11 touchdowns. He had 11 touchdowns a career high, which is the only reason why he was even somewhat relevant last year. But the situation has not really changed in Baltimore. I mean, it is still the same Zay Flowers, Isaiah likely.

You have Derek Henry Lamar. And it's like... Hopkins. Yeah, DeAndre Hopkins, I guess. but I'm like, I kind of just think Mark Andrews is the same good Mark Andrews the year after the year after the injury, and you can get him at a discount. Mark Andrews is the reason we're doing this, because if you could slice it in the middle of the year, I don't think that, I feel pretty confident saying this.

I don't think there was a single, outside of Christian McCaffrey, there was not a single player people were mad about more and talking to us more and asking, can I cut this player more than Mark Andrews? That was all we heard about the first month of the season was, can I cut Christian McCaffrey, can I cut Mark Andrews? and then Mark Andrews, week six on, had 11 touchdowns in his next 12 games, which is kind of the reason we're doing this exercise

about the steak, is that like the steak doesn't always last. I feel like for this whole exercise, I just keep thinking, oh yeah, he was hurt. Like, we just like, don't fucking pay attention to injuries. We hate people who are injured. Anyway. And Jalen Waddle. Yeah, but Tua was hurt.

Two is hurt. Two was hurt. Two was hurt. Yeah, like literally, like, oh, Michael Pittman, he was hurt. Jalen Wattle, too, was hurt. Chris Olive, hurt. Mark Gangerz was hurt. Kyle Pitts, always hurt.

Who was the other guy we were going to put on this list? Couldn't decide if he was stank. He was pre-sol for the Jets. Guess what? He was also hurt. Marvin Harrison wasn't hurt. Marvin Harrison was hurt. But he was weak.

He was so weak that he was so slow. He's so weak. He needs to pick her arms. But Mark Ganger's is like, I think, one of my favorite tight ends to draft this year. I like that. That's smart. All right. How fun with that, Craig.

Now we have to do the ugliest part of the whole thing, which is the running backs. And we can do this kind of quickly. But basically, I just want to start, I mean, Najee Harris, Craig. So nasty. Speaking of being hurt. Poor Najee Harris. I don't know how good Najee Harris is,

but I know he's not bad. And I just think he has this the stench of Pittsburgh all over him. And coupled with the fact that now he's in L.A. with the Chargers. And they draft this awesome, cool, exciting running back in Omerianhampton. And now everyone's like, really? First round. It's like, really, you fucking Najee Harris with him? God damn it.

Like, you're ruining on Marion Hampton. And not to mention that, he also had the Fourth of July Fireworks thing that was a rumor that turned out to be slightly true, which is his agent ended up basically, Doug Hendrickson who's his agent basically said that, speaking of like well-phrased injury statements, that Najee Aris had a, quote, superficial eye injury. You've got one eye. somebody somebody just tag me with a gif of that like responding to the nausea news chubs yeah so you got one eye he took his hand

I got that bastard's eye though oh my god that's the firework from 4th of July pretty sick jar it's like jiggling it's like in the grossest brown liquid you've ever seen the oldest mason jar in the world

I got that best of eye though It's like jabbing him. Anyway. Got that bastard's eye though. Najee Harris feels as old as Chubbs, but he's not. Noggi Harris is 27 years old. I'm sorry, can you say that again? That's mind-blooded me.

He's 27 years old. It's never been a more 31-year-old coded running back than Noggi Harris. Noggi Harris is going around pick 100, which is basically twice as late as Omerian-Hampton. And I got to say, as gross as Naji Harris feels like, there's a decent chance he just ends the season with more carries than Omerian-Hamp. It truly might be a coin flip. Greg Roman, historically, in the five seasons with the Chargers and the Ravens, has given a running back more than 144 carries once. And we also shouldn't forget, Jim Harbaugh, recruited Najee Harris out of high school,

likes Najee Harris. Najee Harris has had a thousand yards in four straight seasons. Like, they're going to use him. They like him. The Chargers want to run the ball. They were not good at running the ball last year. Like, this will be a split. Hampton makes the wrong read a couple of times.

I was going to say it's funny. Let's pick up. In theory, we keep joking about it, but the idea you should draft Naji and then trade Noghanty for Amerian Hampton at like week six, which we keep joking about. But Omerian Hampton just seems like someone who will disappoint early and then like genuinely just be easily like a top five running back from Halloween on or Thanksgiving on as he gets the trust. But yeah, I can't help but think Omerian Hampton's going to miss one block and get Justin Herbert lit the fuck up.

And I think that Jim Harbaugh, the number one thing that keeps Jim Harbaugh up at night is the idea that Justin Herbert suffers. some like career ending injury. He's getting in that elevator with him. Oh my God. I forgot about that when the charge was stuck in the elevator. He was jealous of the people that were in the elevator with. What an opportunity to bond. I get that.

I actually really get that. He had FOMO for being stuck in an elevator. How badly, can I like give an honest breakdown of the dynamic of this show? Okay. I feel like if you two were stuck in an elevator together, I would wish I was there. But if I were stuck in an elevator with one of you. He would not want to be. You guys

would be like trap with hyphitz? Why do you hear the most annoying sound in the world? He'd be like, I found a corner to pee in. We're like, Hyvitz. He'd been here 20 minutes. Oh my God.

99 bottles of beer on the wall. Oh, but anyway, yeah, man, like, it's funny. funny because it's true. Nigey Harris is going to be like a really good flex player in somebody's fantasy team this year. Yeah, he'll be good and then it won't be good.

Yeah. That's actually, you know what? We always do tattoos from the end of the season. We should do tattoos from the middle of the season. Like the severance. You know, they try to get the, that should be severance. It's things we told ourselves before this season that we're like, don't forget this when you go inside.

We're like, trade Najee at the end of October. like trade don't care what he's doing i don't care what harrys say trade dajee harris like no matter what that's good that's like the writing the answers on your hand yes you know you know ocean's 11 when he like draws the map to get to the room and then he gets back out it's all sweaty he can't read is not a leave the hallway oh my god these players will self-destruct there's something there's something there we got to figure that out it just says nausea harris no matter what it's so hard to it is to your point though like it is so hard to trade a player who's like really hot early on in the season. Selling high is the hardest thing.

All rational thought just goes out the window with these guys. You're like, there's no way that he could keep doing this or. I know. He could. He really had to stay disciplined and tell yourself. The other one. So hard. The other guy I want to hit is Travis DT and they're running back for the Jaguars who T.K.

said maybe the stankiest player on the list. I'm talking about his reputation in the fantasy space right now is. I think nobody gives a flying fuck about Travis. We're talking about Bachel Tootin. the fourth rounder? I don't know. E.T.N. like doesn't exist. No. I kind of like Tank Biggs me this year.

I'm not going to lie. I think so. I kind of like Travis E.T.N. this year. It's weird because I'm okay. Because everyone hates him. I know. He's a good example of like he's like a classic, like the way people do zero running back where they're like, I'm just not going to take any of these running backs. I'll take like a cheap volume guy. Travis E.T.N.

If you just ignore how people are annoyed at him, he checks every other box in that the Jaguars have the hot. new offensive coordinator or Liam Cohen where you wouldn't be shocked. I personally am a big believer that it's worth investing in the Jagger. I just think the Jaguars, Liam Cohen are an easy bet of I think Trevor Lawrence is the 20th quarterback. I'm like, yeah, let me be. I'll just take Trevor Lawrence with like my 120th pick and just have him be my quarterback instead of taking Baker Mayfield in the seventh round or whatever.

I like that. I like Brian Thomas. I think Travis Hunter's value. And then I look at this thing. I'm like, well, if the offense is good and Liam Cohen came from Tampa Bay, I think basically Travis C. T.N. is like a better Rashad White. And Tank Bigsby is like a worse Bucky Irving. And then frankly, a smart person described this to me as facial tutin is, if anything, more like a Devon A-Cham, like a worst Devon H.N.

And that how does that breakdown work? And so if it's all three guys, maybe none of them are helpful. But they're priced, like none of them will be helpful. And I think that's the important part I want to imprint is they're all price. like they won't be valuable at all. But Travis Eton's in a contract year, and it could totally make sense that the Jaggs are like, yeah, we're just going to give a ton of touches to Travis Eton.

He's the lead, and we're going to let him go. We don't care. But we're going to get him like 300, like 250 plus touches on the way out the door. And ETAN ends up being like a really valuable pick. He's the 100th overall guy. And I'm like, he could just be the lead back on a really good offense. I mean, that's what I was doing when I was thinking about ETN. It's like you play like a, you know, the if then scenarios out in your mind.

Like obviously maybe Tank Bigsby does end up. getting more carries. Maybe Bachel Tutin is a rookie sensation and like I really liked him coming out. He's a really exciting player but I'm still trying to play through all the different scenarios. I feel like the most obvious scenario is that Travis Etyn

is just going to get most of the volume again. Don't you think that's the most likely thing that's going to happen? I do. You said again, but he I mean he didn't last year. Tank Bigsby had more carries in more yards last year. Yeah but E.m had a hamstring injury. Yeah. He played 15 games. Tank Biggsie played one more

But yeah. Eicheng got like shadow benched by Peterson because he was frustrated. I think there was frustration about Eatsy and just not being a North South runner enough. But I'm also like. But also new coaching. My thinking is that Cohen is going to want somebody like a Bucky Irving who can like get up the field and get yards. And Tank Bigsby is not a good receiver. But running the football tank Bigsby is pretty good.

And it was terrible year one, made a huge leap year two. One thing that Liam Cohen did in his first year with the Bucks was the Bucks were dead last in yards before contact running the football. So the running backs are getting touched very early. He took them all the way up to ninth in year one with the box. Last year on the Jags, Tank Bigsby averaged more yards after contact than Travis ETN averaged regularly yards per carry. Okay. ETN averaged 3.7 yards per carry.

Tank averaged more than that after contact. And to me, that makes a lot of sense that Cohen is going to end up leaning towards Tank Biggsby who can get up the field and make big plays. So I think Tank who's going 40 rounds, 40 picks after. ETN who like two coaches or who Doug Peterson didn't like. I don't know. I think Tank is a stronger value at his at his pick than an ETN. And not only that,

I think that you could pretty easily argue. Why would I take Bucking Irving 20th when I could take Tank makes me 120th or maybe 110th probably? But that's a good point. One thing that Bucky was great at was yards after contact. He was first in the NFL last year. Second was Tank. Convincing.

You make very, you make very convincing arguments there, Craig. I like it. I think I'm just like. holding on to old feelings that Travis Eton is a good running back. At this point in time, I feel like maybe that ship has sailed. He could see coming out like super explosive, actually pretty dynamic in the passing game. It just hasn't really worked out for him in the NFL. But I think I'm still holding on to like this thought that he's a good running back.

Maybe that's not true. I like Craig's point. Hell yeah. Also, D.K., what if you could I go hang out in a fucking elevator then? Please, no. Other guy. I like Craig's. point. What was that? That's a good podcast

because you just put your elevator and record it. Trapped him in an elevator. It's called elevator pitch. It's called Panic Room. Oh, that's good. Elevator pitch. Yeah. That feels like, you know the subway takes guy? Yeah, I was just going to say subway takes. I love the subject of that where it's like

the guy in an elevator and then on the way up. Give me your elevator pitches him. That's good. Yeah. Wait, should we cut that out of the show? Should we do that? Possibly. We should do that. That's good. We need a very tall building. You can only do that in New York.

Spotify is in the World Trade Center. Yeah, yeah. What is it? 50 floors up? That's got to take a minute. It's actually 69, actually, which is funny. Oh, is it? Isn't that funny?

Cheeky. That just seems like so meme. I don't know if the Swedes are aware of that joke. Maybe they don't know the 69 jokes. Oh, wait. That's a great question. Is 69 a thing in other languages, other cultures? They must.

I think they haven't thought of it. They don't like to switch things up in Sweden. stay parallel, regular. Sure. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. If you're in Sweden, email us. Let us know.

Yeah. If that's the kind of thing that goes on there, you know? Yeah, give us the metrics on 69 in Sweden. Are people doing it? Are people talking about it? Do you think it's a sentence squar gami if I pivot from whether they're 69 in Sweden to Giovante Williams and Jacobobbins? No one's ever said that sentence, right?

There's no chance that's 17 in history. 69 and Sweden. There's no chance anyone's ever said that. We could just be quick, but Giovante Williams left Denver after being bad with really a bunch of D injuries

and Jakey Dobbins is heading to Denver. He was hurt. He's up there with stink. I was going to say, Jakey Dobbins is bad after a lot of injuries. Javentu's bad after a lot of injuries. Kind of the same deal where I think the Broncos kind of need Jake Adams to be healthy,

which is crazy. So it's like you can take him and every game he plays, that's good. And then eventually he'll stop playing games. Yeah. Right? That seems straightforward to be. And then Javante is crazy

because Dallas could have an awesome offense, but it's Javante Williams, Miles Sanders. What a backfield. And then rookie, Jaden Blue, the rookie out of Texas, and then Phil Mafa,

who is like an NPC. Phil Mafa? I know, right? That's an NFL player? He's a rookie. Phil Mafa. Phil Mafa. Big boy.

He went to Clemson. He's a big guy. Phil? Phil? Honestly, he's like the youngest Phil. He's got to be the only fill at running back ever. Phil.

Phil. Phil. Oh, no, he's receiver. You're right. Wait. Phil. I'm thinking of Tony Dorset. Phil?

Phil Connor? Ned Ryerson. Are there any Phil? Oh, Philip Lindsay. Do you guys know a Phil? Philip Lindsay? No, I don't know a Phil.

I don't know a Phil. Actually, no, I do know a Phil. Yeah, no. My friends, ironically, the whole family's Phil's. My friend Phil is, I guess he's like 33. You know a family of the family's named Phil. Wow. Unfortunately, no Ned's on the Cowboys, Craig.

Unless they had a chance to do a good bit there. Phil, Phil Mawpa. Shout out to my friend Phil. I saw an interview with, what's his face? Bill Murray? Yeah, Bill Murray. He got bit by the Punksitani Phil or whatever. He got bit by him?

Yeah, in Making Groundhog Day. Oh, oh, okay. that's the story yeah that's it that's the whole thing I should save that for the elevator anyway are we in around

javanti Williams I kind of just feel like javantes is healthy I don't anybody on Dallas running the ball to be honest real quick how old do you think Chivante Williams is Craig because I know DK knows the names

of the ages of all these people He's younger than we think He's probably how old is who Chivanti Williams I know DK can get it exactly I'm gonna say he's 25 DK I was thinking 26.

Craig's exactly right. He's 25. Wow. 25? Giovante Williams is 25 and he shredded his knee three years ago. Yeah, but I think sometimes we keep doing this where it's like, man, he's so young. He's been bad his whole career and he got hurt. He's so young.

No, Giovante's more I feel bad for him because Javent, honestly, not quite Jake of Dombins level talent free, but Jakey Dombins was probably going to be one of the best running backs in the NFL. Shredded his knee was never the same. Javante before he got hurt. And Tories. Yeah, there was a lot of. Jabot's. Sorry, with

Jackie Dobbins. There's a lot. You got a Clay Thompson. But Giovante was awesome. I don't know if you've seen what Clay's up to lately. Oh, yeah. What is he doing? Who is he with? He didn't Megan the Stallion.

Oh, yeah. And I saw Antonio Brown was mad. I was like, of all the things you're mad about, that's insane. That's the craziest thing you've ever said. Yeah, good for Clay. Clay seems like a chill. Oh, that's not a very novel thing to say. But that's, I feel like that one could last.

I feel like that one could laugh. I actually think there's staying power in a way. I don't know anything about the relationship or making this challenge. How are you making that determination? I feel like that. They're both rich and cool lives and seem cool and Clay's chill. So sure. I think that's it for the stank.

Who's the stankiest guy on here? I mean, it's probably Kyle Pitts. I think you have to factor in cost because like Anthony Richardson might not play this season, but he's undrafted. You could literally pick up. come up on waivers after your draft ends. So I don't think Richardson counts. So I think if you factor in cost,

I kind of think Jerry Judy, just because the idea that option A, you're hoping, is Joe Flacco at 40, plays the entire season. And like, that's a plan A. I, that just gives me the ick. Yeah, I would agree. I would say the least stinky player on this list

is probably Marvin Harrison Jr. or Mark Andrews. And the most stinky is Jerry, Judy, and... Maybe Javante Williams. Dika, who's your stankiest player? If you factor in where you have to take them. Because Judy is like a top 70 pick. But like Marvin Harrison's top 45, but you make a good point.

I think it's Judy. I think it's ETN. People are out on ETN. Yeah. He's still going in the top 100. I don't know. But the Liam Cohen thing. Okay.

I think it's... I can't believe we're still talking about Kyle Pitts. Well, he's going to play in the NFL for like seven more years. I would love to have a compilation of everything we've said about Kyle Pitts each year. Don't do that to Carlos. Five stages of grief, but for all five years of his career. Oh, my God.

That would actually be great. Don't give him the tools to make that. Wait, wait. That's actually incredible. And it's, it would literally every year being like, look, he's 22. Look, he's 23. There's five stages of grief. This is his fifth season.

We should do that. Oh, my God. Carlos, that's aside. It's the year after the year after the year after. You got hurt in 2022 What were you doing in 2022? Life was so different then. I don't think Russia had even invaded

Ukraine in 2022. Who was the entire war will happen? Top of the pop charts in 2022. I don't even know. I don't know. That's a great call. Definitely. Okay, a couple of emails to get out of here.

Let's see here. 2022 heat waves by glass animals. Oh, I hate that song. I don't even know what that is. That song just claimed real estate my brain and won't let it go. As it was by Harry Stiles. Yeah, that was another song that was played way too much. Stay.

The Kid Leroy and Justin Bieber. That's a great song. I like that song. The remix, there's a remix of that, Milo Cyrus. That's excellent. Shivers, Ed Shireen. This is a bad year. Sorry.

Shearer. Does he call them Ed Shireen? Shireen. Ed Shireen. We were talking about, we asked for people with dumb arguments you've had with your friends. Yeah. And it split into two things. Dumb topics.

Don't you dare fucking finger my eggs. Bro, are you fingering those eggs? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Get your finger out of there, pal. Sir, put that egg down. Put that egg down. Step away from the egg. Police break in.

Put it down. Put it down. Put those eggs where I can see them. All right, sorry. What were you saying? No, you're good. There's two kinds of dumb stories people sit in. dumb topics.

Okay. And then honestly, a whole segment was dumb things their friends thought, like it being Ed Shereen, that were revealed in arguments. And it's a where they dug in like Craig's like the wind thing that we got completely wrong, Craig. Well, we got an answer on the wind thing. Yeah. But whether wind carries, that's a whole other thing. That still misses the point.

I forget. Did we say it did or did not? Well, the argument. We said it didn't. We said it carries sound literally. But the point was whether wind, a lack of wind would make you not hear pickleball, which is ridiculous. D.K., I feel like you and I originally were like, yes, it does.

Then Hyphids is like, you guys are stupid. No, it doesn't. And then we found out it did. No, it's relatively, basically the idea that they were saying it was windy and we heard the pickleball. And then it wasn't windy. That's why we can't hear the pickleball. Like, that is insane to me. True. But if you boil down the argument to can win carry sound, the answer.

That's true, but that's not what they were talking about. Yeah, yeah. But that's what we were discussing. Fair, but then, all right, fine. Yeah, that's totally what I'm. I meant. Fine. Fine. Then I'll read an email from Greg. Turns out I was right. Greg. Greg. G-bone. My name is Greg. I am an avid listener of your podcast and I have an answer for you on whether or not sound is carried by wind. I like when people start emails. My name is, my name is Greg. By the way, I'm loving the breakfast thing.

We have some people with breakfast. I'll read the breakfast. Maybe I'll give a, yeah. Greg says, for some context, I'm a naval architect. So I'm a ship designer. So how sound travels, pretty big part of that. Sound is the vibration of particles in a wave, so it has to travel through something, water or air. To be heard, there has to be some particle to vibrate. Also means sound, not a thing in space. What happens is because sound is air, it also tends to reflect, or sorry, sound is air, particles are vibrating.

The wind can actually push it further or against it, influencing how far it can go. It also tends to reflect off the water's surface because the density is so much higher that you get the same thing of like an echo chamber, where it will bounce off it off it. That's kind of what we said, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's what you said. I was wrong about that. But this is why if you're in a room with a lot of blank walls, the sound echoes more because it's bouncing off the radically different density. Interesting. Okay.

And then there are some, you know, materials that absorb sound, right? Like when you're soundproofing the room. Right, like the foam stuff. Yeah, foam. And it's why you want to have like rug and carpet and stuff like that. It's just eating the sound. Yeah.

Yeah. So with that said, I just want, I just list, there were so many emails. I just listed the dumb arguments people. Wait, did you get to the emails? I feel like we made a promise. He didn't list the breakfast. Oh, okay.

But I'll list other people's breakfast as they come. Include the breakfast. We had to eat that day. Someone had a, someone's funny had just like decent egg sandwich from the Kansas City airport. That one was funny. There was one that was like breakfast bar and 40 ounces of coffee. I was like, fuck yeah.

Dude, someone put. That guy's fucking 30 ounces to freedom. Someone just put like 40 ounces of coffee and it's in until I, need my next Zinn. And I was like, that, that tracks. Okay. That guy crushed at the office that day. Other dumb arguments people had some, this was from Jamie.

Jaybone. Been waiting for it. Jamie. Jamie said we were debating about the Mount Rushmore of greatest athletes. And a lot of worthy names thrown out. Wayne Gretzky, Serena Williams, Tiger Woods, Michael Phelps. And then one of my friends said that Secretariat deserved to be on the list. Okay.

I feel like I've heard this argument. And basically it was like Not a person. Well, that's what I want to ask you guys. Does the secretary be on the Mount Rushmore of athletes? Does a horse have a case? Can an animal be an athlete? It's air bud.

Animals are athletic. Okay. Why wouldn't they be? I think in the definition, I think it's assumed it's a person. When you're saying the greatest athlete of all time. If the animal is unaware that it is participating in a sport, can they be considered an athlete? But doesn't everyone always say? the horses know when they win?

Also, I would argue a fucking cheetah is more athletic than Secretariat ever was. But he was not competing in a sport. But it's all relative to. I'd like to see Secretariat chase down a fucking rabbit on the Savannah. Okay, cool.

Uncle Rico, could throw a house horse ever. Break his fucking leg. Yeah, but he's not participating in a sport. By that metric, Tiger... Hunting's not a sport, Craig? Not to me. I mean, it's called game.

literally called a sport. Not to me. Not in my world. Game, not a sport. I think if you're including animals, a horse running in a straight line is not that athletic to me. I mean, I agree with that. But also, are we saying...

When we say great as athletes. What? See that change of direction of that guy? What are you talking about? There's an interesting argument going on here. Secretary won the bill. Let's take this another level. Did I Google how long a length is today?

Yes, I did. 31 lengths. Cheetahs can run 60 miles an hour. Your dog eats its own shit and throws it up. That's what I'm saying. Exactly. You're making my point for me. Secretary at Fine Athlete. If you're including other animals, the list probably

be hundreds long. A peregrine falcon can fly like 100 miles an hour. I agree with D.K. Oh, so a horse ran real fast. That's great. Okay, but by that metric, none of the Olympic runners count as athletes because we're just saying, well, it's all relative to humanity's achievements,

but if humans are slow, then none of them do it. I'm not arguing. You're saying Huss. I'm not, no, that's not what I'm saying. I would just not say he's the greatest athlete of all time. He's a great athlete. But you also said your dog's more athletic than Secretariat, so if you're saying that about Usain Bolt, basically.

My dog is probably faster than Usain Bolt. Are we saying the greatest athlete of all time relative to the sport they are playing? Are we just saying generally who's the most athletic person ever? See, there you are. That was Mount Rushmore of athletes, which is ambiguous. This is why bringing it up secretary. It's probably just like fucking LeBron, if you want to just say like, who's the most athletic person ever? LeBron couldn't win the Belmont.

But relative to their sport, it's probably like fucking Serena Williams or something. Phelps? I don't care about the question. I just care whether a horse can be in the conversation. No. I just think I'm taking it further. If you're including horses. I agree with D.K.

Yeah, yeah. If you're including horses, then it's a cheetah. It's a lion. Any cheetah, but which cheetah was the fastest of the cheetahs? I think it matters to the fastest of your animal. How fast can a horse run? All humans are compared to other humans. Why wouldn't you compare Secretariat to the other horses?

Well, we're comparing Secretary to other humans achievements as well. So you're saying so no people should be on the list. It should be four fucking cheetahs and a falcon. Secretariat ran 37.7 miles an hour according to AI overview. Honestly, yeah. Like if we're just talking about in general, The Falcon, it's a cheetah. Who is the most athletic living being?

I'd probably take a cheetah. Have you seen those things change direction? I saw one in person a year ago. Fucking crazy. You know what sneakily fast or tuna? Bluefin tuna swims so fast. Oh yeah, tuna are fast. Just pure muscle.

Sneaky fast, hippos. Hipo, dude, that video of the hippo chase in the boat? Hippos are sneaky athletic. They don't even swim. They just run on the bottom of the water. That's fucking terrifying, by the way. fucking Jordan Davis. Greyhounds can run up to 45 miles an hour.

Wait, can I read you the list of... A greyhound is a better athlete than Secretariat. This is actually the hottest ticket that you've ever had. Literally any Greyhound is more impressive than Secretariat. Okay. George, my dog. I want to read you other dumb arguments friends had. Okay.

Which part of the bed is the front of the bed? To like a giant argument. That's a good question. It's where the feet are. Yeah. It's hard, but that's called the foot of the bed. Depends. Oh, you're right.

No. I thought about it and dismissed it. He made them really. I've heard your argument and I've decided no. If somebody said it's at the front of the bed, I left my shirt at the front of the bed. You're going to the bottom of the bed. I actually, no thought whatsoever. That's just what I think.

That is what I would do. If you left it, that's where I would think you left it. It's like the front of your car. If you said it, oh, it's on the front of the bed. and I walked into the room, I would be looking for it to be where the feet are, not where the pillows are. Yeah. The foot and the front are actually, in this case, synonymous. It's the back because it's the deeper part of the room.

I agree. I agree. Unless you have weird feng shui and you, like, sleep backwards. That would be weird. Right. Another argument of Fring Group bag. No. No.

Like halfway through the drink. No. One of them was should have four and out count as a turnover in a football game because they had bet on it for the Rams, Spangled Super Bowl. Yeah. Oh. Does it? And I guess they... I think they didn't get paid.

Turnover on downs. Is it not? It's called a turnover on downs. And I don't think they got paid for turnover. They don't count for a turnover, though. No. It doesn't count as a team turnover? I don't think so.

But like, it should. I know why it statistically not counted in the bet, but like it's spiritual called the turnover on downs. But can I also just, before we leave quickly, just read you the list of other arguments that I got, the other category, which is just dumb shit people believed. Yeah. Please do. I won't even read your name.

I'm so embarrassed for you. Someone thought that because Freeze, the past tense is frozen, their whole life they thought the past tense for squeeze was squosen. I like that. It should be. They went their entire life, not knowing that was wrong, until they were 26 at a bachelor party, and they asked if anyone wanted freshly squosen orange juice.

Come on. What's funny is that person just thought that themselves privately and held on to that their entire life. Like they never consulted anybody. we're like, that's it. They've never heard the word written, spoken by anyone else. Sonny and Cher. Yeah, the Sonny thing is perfect.

Squosen. This was from John, Jaybone. Jay Bone. John. John said I was with a group of friends who were talking about, John thought it was faster to fly east to west. Sorry, faster to fly east than it is to fly west. Because he thought you were flying against the Earth's rotation and that made you go faster.

Which is super. I like that. Kind of like that. Super not the case. It's the jet stream. Yeah, it's wind. He thought it was because you were flying against the rotation of the earth.

Oh, which is like, I get to think that. The earth was moving under him in the opposite direction, meaning you get there quicker. So I understand how that happens, you might actually,

that might actually work a little. But if you fly to L.A., and it takes like, you know, if you're flying one direction, it takes like six hours, and then it flies the other and it's four and a half. And they're like,

well, you know, it's quicker. And then they just leave it at that and don't explain why. you'd be like, oh, probably the Earth. You wouldn't think about the wind currents of the Earth. You'd be like, oh, I guess the Earth's moving. That makes sense. Give us a physics professor or something.

Like, tell us, like, that. Is part of that true? I know that the Jetstream is the answer, but is it true that if you are going against the Earth's rotation, you are technically getting there faster than if you're going with the Earth's rotation? Maybe by some, maybe by seconds, but I think overall gravity is holding the plane still.

I don't know. I actually am unqualified to answer it. But I do know the Coriolis effect. how to be included in that level of Call of Duty 4 where you have to snipe the guy from really far away and you have to account for it in the sniper. Pervature of the earth. Yeah, exactly.

That's not a real thing. Oh, I mean. You have to account for the bullet dropping off the face- Speaking of Philip, Captain Phillips, bro. Well, that's honestly is how I know the flat earth is fake thing because of the, you know. Because of the Captain's sniping shots. Exactly.

That's what got it. That's what proved it finally. I'm not convinced, but. Dustin emailed in and admitted this on self, he thought there was a big argument because he thought, D-Bone, he thought the proper way to pronounce the word, he thought it was gymnast. Like instead of gymnast, Jim-Nist, they were watching the Olympics and they're like, gymnasts, he's like, it's gymnast.

Well, that's because gymnastics, I get it. Yeah, that's what he said. Sure. Gymnast. Yeah. All right. I always just, these are always so funny to me because it's like, have you ever talked to anybody before?

This is like when you said the Saadian sheriff. Yeah, when you said that, it was like, Soak was like, who raised you? Yeah. Where did you grow up?

That was maestro. Yeah. Which is, I mean, meester is a word in Spanish. It's fine. Correct. Gymnast is probably how they say it

and somewhere. Let's be honest. But not here. Right. Not in America. Go talk to a person. So many emailed in because Craig mentioned the rappers in college

campuses is that my buddy was at a college party of Rutgers 2014. Some rapper was set to perform there. The rapper showed up to the buddy's pregame. He said, yeah, this is my new single. I'm hoping it blows up. The rapper was Fettywap. The single was Trap Queen. Whoa. No way. That song

had been out for a year before it went big. And so it was out and he was just there. That's really cool. And they said he was really cool and he was just passing out pre-rolls. I love that rappers were just going to pre-gains before a show. Yeah, that's sick. All right. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you,

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wet ass pussy. Maybe not the best idea. Some other stuff came up. That's like, yeah, I bet. He's like, I'm not on my work. He's like, it's still up. Oh, no. Ah, I can't turn it off. Hey, my computer froze.

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