The Ringer NFL Show - The Best Fantasy Landing Spots for 2023 Rookies
Episode Date: May 2, 2023Welcome back to ‘The Ringer Fantasy Football Show’! We kick off the 2023 fantasy football season by surveying the rookie landscape, breaking down where to draft some of these first-year players, a...nd identifying which ones will have the most immediate fantasy impact (1:52). Finally, the guys close with an email and DK’s dynasty rookie rankings (49:15). Email us! ringerfantasyfootball@gmail.com Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Craig Horlbeck and Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Rookie vibes today.
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Top 200. We're going through everything. We're doing it.
It's May. And you know what people think about in the month of May? Fantasy football.
At least I do. Well, a lot of freaks out there doing dynasty drafts.
So that's where my head's at right now.
I was, Craig and I love Bo Burnham. And I somehow didn't know that he had outtakes.
And I just was watching him. And he was just talking about like, what a beautiful day to be inside.
I was like, that's really what we're doing.
It looks so nice out there.
So without further ado, we're just going to dive in.
NFL draft this weekend.
Rookies go places.
And honestly, rookies very often just swing the entire season.
So we're going to just kind of take the temperature check on a bunch of vibes.
Just a vibe check on all the landing spots for rookies.
And some of these, honestly, these are first run picks, these second third round picks.
And some of these guys are 9th or 10th run picks that can just win you a championship that happens all the time.
So I was going to throw it a DK.
But Craig, you sounded like you had thoughts.
Well, no, I was just going to say.
that it's, it's, for people who aren't, like, locked into the draft, but they play fantasy football and enjoy the NFL, it's hard to keep track of a lot of these things.
Because a lot of, like, second, third, and fourth rounders are relevant in the fantasy season and break out.
And just knowing landing spots is, like, homework for the average NFL fan.
So we're covering all that today.
We're staying inside so that you can go outside.
That's right.
That's really what's going on here.
The second place.
Okay. So, want to just start off with the most obvious one here.
We got Bajon Robinson, the Texas running back best running back.
prospect in five years goes to Atlanta Falcons.
Great spot.
Perfect spot. We were wondering.
Maybe. It's not a question of whether, you know, are you going to take him with a top
pick? But it's like, where do you draft Bajon Robinson, right? Is he a first round or
early second? Go through our fantasy rankings this week and I was perusing through Dekes.
And D.K., you have him ranked third, period.
Overall. In the whole draft.
That's badass, D. That's badass.
You have Christian McCaffrey first, Austin Eccler second.
And then you got Bichon Robinson third.
Yeah. Holy shit, man.
Look, this is the time for optimism.
Maybe I'll back off of that a little bit as we go in.
But Craig instructed me very specifically.
Just go with your gut.
Go with your feel on this one.
Looking back on a few of like the big name early drafted rookie running backs going back through history.
So just like the last 10, 11, 12 years.
Let me just go through it because I think it's important to remember this.
Seco on Barclay, his rookie season.
He was the RB1.
Letter Fred, his rookie season.
season. He was the RB9. Christian McCaffrey was the RB 10. Zeke was the RB2. He averaged
almost 22 points per game. Todd Gurley, he finished as the RB9. Trent Richardson going
back to 2012 finished as the RB7. Well, that one aged poorly. But yeah. I mean, look,
he finished as the RB7. Like, he did good. He did a good job. Yeah, there's a rookie year.
They feed first round rookie running backs. The point is, yes, I'm going back and the running back
selected in the top 25. I should just narrow this to the top 10, you know,
But really just running back selected in the top 25 last 12 years.
There's been nine of them.
And I'm eliminating Travis Eton because he missed his entire rookie season because he was hurt.
They averaged 292 touches.
Bejohn is going to get absolutely fed the rock.
And so from my point of view, going into the season, I'm betting on upside.
I'm trying to find league winners.
I'm not trying to find a guy who's in a committee who's like, we're not really sure how he's going to utilize.
They obviously love this guy, Bijon Robinson.
He's highly talented.
he is, in my opinion, the best running back prospect since Sequin Barclay,
who again, I will remind you, finished as the RB one, as a rookie.
So, I don't know, I'm just going for upside.
This is the time for optimism, like I said.
Maybe I'll start to back off of this a little bit as we get closer to the season.
But fuck it.
Let's do this.
I mean, I have him at seven overall.
Hyvitz has him at 12.
I mean, what's nice is, I mean, obviously, look, he's in the Arthur Smith offense.
There was some tweet, I forget who put it out.
One of the fantasy people out there that I follow on Twitter put it out.
basically saying that if you combined all of the Atlanta running backs last year,
they were like a top five back in fantasy football.
And that's probably just all going to go to Bajon Robinson.
Now, I mean, so the other guys on the team, Tyler Alger, who was solid rookie last year,
Cordell Patterson, who I think is D.K.'s age.
And then Caleb Huntley.
So there's really, I guess the question is D.K.
Is Bajon Robinson truly going to get basically 98% of the workload?
I wouldn't say that much.
I would say,
just rough guess, like 70%.
I'm sure they're still going to like rotate them a little bit,
70 to 80%,
but yeah,
I would doubt that he would get like 98%.
I would say more.
Also, is this guy going to catch passes in this offense?
I think so.
Our buddy Nate Tice has talked about this a lot.
Basically, you know,
we've,
as a fantasy community,
as an NFL football community,
we constantly talk about this.
Like we've talked about it probably way too much,
like positionless football,
quote-unquote positionless football.
Nate, he likes to talk about this because he studies the tape so, so much.
Arthur Smith is like one of the only coaches in the NFL that actually plays positionless football
in terms of like they have these personnel groups and you can do a little bit of everything
with these guys because they're so versatile.
Kyle Pitts can be like a de facto receiver.
Drake London, he could come in and play in the inside.
He looks almost like a tight end because he's so big.
Cordillow Patterson was moving receiver and a running back for the whole season.
That's a great example.
Cardinal Patterson, he's all over the place.
I actually think Arthur Smith could use Bejohn as a de facto running back or a receiver
more than the typical coach.
I'm not saying he's going to be a de facto receiver because we say that a lot.
That never actually happens in real life.
But he could be lined up all over the formation at a higher rate than most other running backs,
put it that way.
So I'm very excited that point of view.
But like to me, honestly, this is more just a question of volume.
This is a team that wants to run the ball.
They want to run the crap out of the ball.
they have a second year quarterback who they're not going to trust a whole lot.
And he's going to just get volume, dude.
292 touches average for the top 25 running backs taking the top 25 over the last 12 years.
Almost, I think we can just say as long as he's healthy, he's going to get fed the ball.
That's like the big thing here.
So speaking of running backs in the top 25, the other guy, Jemir Gibbs, the running back at Alabama.
He goes to Detroit with the 12th pick, which is kind of funny.
So Detroit, just to recap here, Jamal Williams, most lovable player maybe in the entire league last year.
Lions let him go, even though he had like the most touchdowns for the line since like Barry Sanders.
Jamal Williams leaves in free agency.
The line signed David Montgomery, the running back from the division rival Bears for like $9 million guaranteed.
And then they draft Jemir Gibbs, 12th.
And then they trade D'Angi Swift to the Eagles.
So now we go from Jamal Williams and DeAndre Swift in Detroit to Jemar Gibbs and David Montgomery.
D.K., you're very bullish on Gibbs.
Do you feel like what you were just saying about top 25 running backs first round applies to Gibbs because was he like,
30 pounds lighter than Bejohn Robinson.
Like he's not quite the same player at all.
He's like 15 pounds lighter.
I think Bejohn measured in at like 2.15.
Double check me on that.
But he's not like.
Yeah, he is.
Bejohn's 215.
Gibbs is about 200.
So it's,
it is a difference.
It does make a difference.
You know,
I think it's tough with Bejohn,
or sorry,
it's tough with Jamir Gibbs
because he is sort of an outlier
amongst this group of top 25 running backs
in the draft.
So basically he's on the smaller side
of guys that have been drafted this highly
in the NFL draft, I'd say his closest comparison
and why I'm excited about him and bullish on him
is Christian McCaffrey, who is, I think, 200 pounds
or something when he came into the NFL.
So he's around the same size.
And then stylistically, I think they're going to be utilized
in a similar manner.
If you go back to Christian McCaffrey's rookie season,
he had 197 touches.
So that was not as high as some of these other guys
who were getting the rock on the ground a ton.
And so I'd say that's probably what we could expect
from this offense,
from the lion's offense, he's not going to get as many touches as, you know, the bejons
of the world on the ground.
But I think where he's going to make his money is in the passing game.
So, of course, I'm very high on him in PPR and half PPR because I think he's not a lot,
but I would not be surprised.
And I would probably bet on it that he'll get over 100 targets in the passing game.
If you go back and look at DeAndre Swift's averages over the first three seasons in the
league, and this is, mind you, a guy that they hate.
And they were like trying desperately to get rid of over draft weekend.
Swift averaged 21 carries and almost 70 targets per season in his first three years.
And that's including a lot of time missed and a lot of time in the doghouse.
So I don't know.
I'm just looking at Jemir Gibbs.
And I would bet right now he gets 100 carries and 100 targets this season.
So to me that's like this guy's going to be a top 20 running back like at the floor.
You got him ranked 24th overall.
You actually had him higher.
And then I was like, are you like?
You guys kind of like talked to me to my.
senses a little bit, which I, which I appreciate.
But honestly, top 12,
and they were talking about how they would take him at six.
Like, they might have had him ranked, literally might have had him ranked over
Bijon Robinson because they were so excited about what he can do in the passing game.
This is, again, a very creative offense.
It's a perfect landing spot for Gibbs because I think they're going to want to get him
involved in the screen game a lot.
Jared Goff has historically always been very willing to check it down to the running back.
If you go back, look at the time when he was with the Rams, like he was constantly
giving it to Todd Gurley in the passing game.
So this is a quarterback that has a history of doing that.
So I'm just very bullish on Javier Gibbs for that reason.
I didn't even come into the draft like that high on him.
I just think this is a great landing spot.
And the fact that they drafted him 12th says a lot.
Yeah, I mean, I think the best argument for this is that like DeAndre Swift's problem
in Detroit from a fantasy perspective was that he just wasn't on the field.
It wasn't that he was bad.
It was that he just was hurt all the time.
But when he played, he was really good.
but he only played like 10 games a season.
It felt like,
so if you could just replicate Swift with Gibbs
and maybe he's a little better
and they like him a little more,
I can see how that's pretty enticing,
to be honest.
Like I'm already looking at,
I have Gibbs behind the guy like,
like Kenneth Walker,
and I'm like, eh, maybe I shouldn't now
with Gibbs is like receiving skills.
So I want to get into Ken Walker.
That's a really good comparison
because the Seahawks,
you guys have Ken Walker.
So Ken,
I think Ken Walker,
when we were doing these rankings,
was the single hardest player for me to rank.
And as we were doing,
doing this, I think we had the biggest disagreement maybe on Ken Walker out of any player.
I had Ken Walker ranked like, you guys shamed me and I moved them up a little like 40.
And you guys had them in the top 20.
But so just to recap, so the Seahawks, they take Ken Walker in the second round at Michigan State.
Then they draft this year.
They take Zach Sharbonnet at a UCLA in the second round.
And then you got, you know, Travis Homer leaves for the Chicago, whatever.
They also did Kenny McIntosh in the sixth round out of Georgia.
Now he's probably replacing maybe Travis Homer to agree.
Right.
But you've got two second round running back.
Dekin, how would you describe
What roles do you think they're like Charbonnet
and Ken Walker both play this year?
I'm surprised that the assumption
that Ken Walker just gets most of this work
and that Charbonne is just kind of like there.
Yeah, it's tough. It's very tough.
Obviously, I don't have, I don't know for sure
how they're going to be utilized.
My guess, and I suspect that Kenneth Walker
is going to be the starter.
It's similar to what we saw sort of down in the early part
of the season last year where Rashad Penny was their starter.
Kenneth Walker kind of came in and was spelling Penny. Penny, of course, only lasted five games.
And then from there, it was wheels up for Kenneth Walker going forward. And so my guess is,
and I personally believe Kenneth Walker is a vastly superior talent to Charbonnet.
Why do you think he's vast, why do you think Ken Walker's vastly superior to Charbonnet?
Have you watched Ken Walker? He's fucking incredible.
Way more explosive, way more dynamic in terms of tackle breaking, and the numbers I'll bear that out.
I think the one worry that you have with Kenneth Walker is he's a very boomer bust type player,
kind of like the Saquan Barkley style player where he gets hit at her behind the line of scrimmage
or the success rate's not very high, but he's just so good at turning nothing into something
and turning it into explosive play.
I think that's very important.
So I just personally just watching tape and how I would grade these guys,
Kenneth Walker is a like ludicrously way more talented than Charbonne.
However, Charbonnet could work his way onto the field just because he's like a lunchpail guy
who's going to get the hard yards.
who's not going to dance around,
who's going to like, you know,
dive forward,
have a higher success rate,
and maybe he'll earn his,
his looks that way.
And he also has the chance
to be a better little pass catcher.
And so that could be another way
he works his way on the field.
But to me,
Kenneth Walker,
starter,
Charbonet,
sort of the 1B
slash backup.
And then,
yeah,
like Macintosh,
it's going to be a third down guy
because he's a really good
pass catcher.
This is like the worst case scenario
for a Kenneth Walker
fantasy fan.
You know what I mean?
I definitely ranked him
with my heart,
not my brain,
because I want him
to be great because I think, you know, when you see those home run runs from him, you're like,
man, he like runs differently than anybody I've ever seen. He has like a weird gate to him.
I don't know. He like almost skips or something. It looks like he's on an elliptical.
Yeah. He's got a weird, he has a very like sort of wonky gate, which is why I think people were
so shocked when he ran a four three something because it was like he just kind of runs weird.
I think so my point of view, it's important to go back and look at.
guys to get an idea of what they were like in college.
And I had this experience, like, when I was scouting the draft.
Like, I went back and I was watching Jaden Reed, who was a Michigan State receiver.
And watching the 2021 tape, I was like, holy shit.
Kenneth Walker is fucking insanely good.
Like, he was their offense.
He was so good.
And then you go and you watch Charbonnet and you're like, oh, this guy's pretty good.
Like, he's solid.
He's a downhill runner.
He's got a little juice.
But nowhere, not even remotely in the same stratosphere as Kenneth Walker.
my opinion. And what we saw from Kenneth Walker as a rookie was astounding, like mostly good.
Obviously, the success rate argument I get, but he's so good at turning plays into explosive
plays that to me that way outweighs any issue that you have with success rate. So as of right now,
unless we hear something different, I think Kenneth Walker is still a starter. They just needed
depth because they let Rashop Penny go. They let Travis Homer go. They wanted to get in a guy.
They've always done this. They always like having two guys. They've drafted more running backs in the
like in the top 100 than any other team in the last 10 years.
This is just what they do.
They want to have depth.
They want to have guys in there.
Kenneth Walker, he got hurt as a rookie.
They want to have guys that can come in and be really good.
So to me, that's why they pick Sharbonnet.
It's not to replace Kenneth Walker.
It's just the depth thing.
Yeah, I think you nailed it when you said that Ken Walker is kind of like home run.
It's like he's three true outcome baseball player.
It's like home runs, walks and strikeouts.
And Sharbonne is more just like he's just hitting doubles.
Right. Exactly.
Yeah.
Other running backs here that notable, I mean,
probably the guy that we're probably going to be the most obsessed with.
Not the best, but the most obsessed with going to the season.
Devon I chain, the A train, running back, going to the Miami Dolphins.
The dolphins are just the America was built on speed, hot, nasty, badass speed, Eleanor Roosevelt.
The vibrations!
I can't wait to watch this offense, dude.
Do it, Tika.
Give me a vibrations.
I love when those guys go by.
What happens?
I was like, I feel like three of the last seven days, D.K.'s done that from his office in his house.
Like, is, what is Skippy thinking?
Is she like, what's going out of that?
I had that in the back of my mind when I just did that.
I, if you're, if Calvin ever, like, just starts doing that, it was like, the vibrations.
Like, that was just kind of the best moment in the history of the pod.
So, dolphins have like three of the top seven fastest players in the NFL.
Can I ask one question about Devon A chain?
This sums up everything, I think.
Yeah.
Is he going to be a gimmick or a real player?
My personal.
So I'm going to sit, fence sit here.
Okay.
Both.
He's a real player.
However, this is a Kyle Shanahan derived offense.
And so therefore, the running backs are going to be annoyed.
We're going to be annoyed.
Hold on, hold on.
We need to draw a separation line right here, separating line.
When we say Shanahan offense, I think we always say, among many things, it's a
Shannon offense can create running backs into freaking stars.
Right.
If they just do the system as.
coached.
Like, that's where I get Clinton Portis and Terrell Davis and all these six-rounders,
Steve Slayton, who can just rip off of, Alfred Moore's 1600-11-election season.
Exactly.
Just because they just do what the coaches tell them.
But then there's also just the Kyle Shadahan who seems to be the cursed genius who
the moment that he gets sick of someone, you're like, you're out, you're out.
Yeah.
And so I don't think Mike McDaniel is going to get.
They drafted H.A. for Mike McDaniel because they, Chris Greer, the GM, was like, yeah,
Mike McDaniel was really into this guy.
Yeah.
Believe me, I want that to be true,
Hyfitz.
Like, with my whole heart,
I've basically staked my reputation on that.
Like, I want him to really, like,
love A-Chain and give him the rock a lot.
However, they did resign Jeff Wilson.
Rahim Moster is still there.
Like, in the past, it's just been frustrating.
They're old and hurt, though.
That's like a better point.
They just kept all their old injured players.
And this is the only young guy they have that they brought him.
I mean, I'll put it this way.
He's not a gimmick player, Craig.
However, I'm a little worried about the overall volume.
Yeah, like, if you had to guess, like, how many touches,
let's say Jeff Wilson and Rahimosa are healthy, which, you know,
how many touches a game is Devon A-Chane going to get?
Like six?
Let's see.
No, like, yeah, I would say 10 to 12, 10 to 13 touches a game.
How about that?
Okay, that's a little higher than I thought.
That's flexually.
So, because I would say, like, he probably get, like,
three to four targets at least plus seven to eight carries,
give or take a few, and then, I don't know, add in.
That doesn't add up to three.
13 does it, but like close enough, like something like that.
I'm just trying to pull up the Dolphins stats last year.
We've got A-Chain.
We've got him overall.
I'm actually the highest on him, which I'm very proud to be.
We've got him like 110, 120.
These rankings, though, like the non-Gemir Gibbs,
Bejohn Robinson running back rankings are so early on.
Like, it's going to be so, like, these are definitely going to change
based on, like, what we hear on a camp.
The reality is you're going to draft A-Chain because there's a certain type of player
where it's like the likelihood of one chef to tweet
where it's like, Dolphins running back,
Rahim Oster has a groin injury and will miss one month.
And you're like, oh, okay, now I would pay anything
to have Devon A chain on my team.
That's fair.
So last year, Rahim Oster,
181 carries.
Jeff Wilson, 84 carries.
I could see A chain getting 150 plus carries.
And that would be, you know,
around eight to nine a game.
Yeah, often here, just put in the chat.
That Moster average is about 13 touches a game.
Wilson, 12, and Chase Edmund's about six.
So I can, I can,
I could see 13 touches
a game.
Okay.
And I'd be excited about it
because to me,
he's in a different
stratosphere than most of it
because they're both extremely fast,
but I think A-Chain is more dynamic
in terms of tackle-breaking,
vision,
and all that stuff.
Obviously,
they're both home-run hitters,
but I just think A-chain
is a better player,
better prospect.
And so,
of course,
I'm very bullish on A-Chane
because he's been,
like,
legit,
my favorite player
throughout this draft process.
He's just so fun to watch.
But,
Yes, of course, this has always been the question, like, what is the volume going to be?
Based on what you're hearing from what they said after the draft, pretty excited about what they could do because they were apparently very in love with this guy.
They took him, you know, relatively high.
I think that he was their second pick because they didn't have a first rounder because of the Tom Brady thing.
So, yeah.
Next up here, we got Kendry Miller running back from the Saints.
He goes to a team where, I mean, Alvin Camero is obviously the starter, but he's also possibly going to get suspended this year for an incident that happened in Las Vegas.
The Saints also San Jamal Williams.
So they got Jamoli and Skamara, Kedri Miller.
You have Tajay Spears going to the Titans.
Kai, our producer, went to TCU and watched them lose like 60 to nothing in the championship.
Why are you going to add that?
Jeez, man.
I just make the championship.
Mean, man.
They freaking made it to the national championship game.
It's just, I'm just jealous and I hate it.
The Cinderella.
Anyway, Tadj Spears, he went to the Tennessee Titans.
They obviously has Derek Henry.
Dajie Spears also has like no ACL.
I don't know if it's a Dewan Blair situation, but apparently he has like full-blower arthritis,
which is help.
the ACL. I don't know how that works.
But he will have a short
I do. I know. Full thickness
cartilage loss.
You know the, you know the different guy,
like the white dude, the blonde hair guy who
just like the blink, like the blink excuse me.
When you said he has no ACLs, I just
was like, what was that? Put it this way.
The Seahawks, someone, so this
Pete Carroll or someone said
that there are some teams who have taken
players that we don't even
have on our board for medical reasons.
And it's not third round's not over.
kind of think they were probably talking about Tashay Spears because he doesn't have an E.C.L.
or Cardulich.
But anyway, he's like, I guess the Titans took him the third round.
And then the Rams, Zach Evans, sixth rounder, went to Los Angeles, but it's just Cam Acres and Zach Evans.
I kind of like, I like that one of all the late rounders.
Zach Evans to me is one of the most interesting ones because he was and Kai, you can talk, you could talk about him.
He was on TCU prior to transferring to Ole Miss.
and then Kendra Miller kind of took his job a little bit.
Or they were splitting and then Evans was like,
all right, I'm out of here.
I'm going to go somewhere else.
But he's very explosive.
Former five-star guy, I think, or four-star,
sort of a big prospect out of high school, explosive guy.
He's not like shifty behind the line of scrimmage,
but he's explosive in space.
And like if you get him like a little bit of a runway,
he can really hit home run.
So I'm very excited to see what happens with him.
and, you know, obviously with Aker's, his history of injuries and utilization and just the relationship with the front office.
Like, I just don't know if I trust that.
Can you believe that of all running backs in the league, the one who kind of went unscathed through the draft process is Cam Acres' role?
You know what Cam Acres is like?
Cam Acres is George Costanza when he's trying to get fired and he keeps getting promoted.
Seriously.
He's just like, I want to retire.
They're like, you know what?
They're like, they're like, I like you.
You got cuts.
I want to trade.
You know what?
We're not even going to replace you.
Fuck you, Sean McVeigh.
Sean McVe is like, I like that.
I'm looking at the Rams' depth chart on our lads.
So it is, so the green players, if you're looking at this, there's highlighted green players.
Those are, there's, they highlight the rookies with green.
This is the greenest roster I've ever seen in my life.
They probably added like 40 guys in this draft based on like their draft and undrafted
free agents.
Their entire special teams unit is rookies.
It's all green.
And then probably like 60% of their defense.
The Rams are rebuilding, but if they do a total rebuild,
Sean McVeigh will retire.
So they're just going to like,
they're sacrificing defense and special teams at the altar
of just giving Matt Stafford and Cooper Cup,
like someone to like McVe to like just not get bored and leave over.
So it's like they're, it's like a,
it's like a quiet quitting, but they're quiet rebuilding.
And they're trying to see if McVeigh won't find out.
I don't know what's going on.
Yeah.
They're threading that needle.
They're really, yeah, it's tough.
So all these guys here at running back are behind studs, right?
Taji Spears is behind Derek Henry in Tennessee.
Kendry Miller's like behind Alvin Camara and Jamal Williams pending Camara suspension
in New Orleans.
You got Rochon Johnson is behind, I guess, Deontay Foreman and Khalil Herbert in Chicago.
You got Tank Bigsbee's behind Eton and Jacksonville and now Zach Evans behind Camakers.
Who do we think is the guy who's going to break through and be fantasy relevant?
If you had to pick one.
I think Rocheon Johnson is a guy that like might not be on someone's roster or like we'll get
cut in September.
but then like Deontay Foreman's ahead of him and Khalil Herbert,
but I kind of think Rochon, even though he's a rookie,
might actually get like passing down work because he can block and stuff.
I actually think Rochon Johnson is the guy that might be like the midseason waiver ad
that just is like a top 10 running back down the stretch.
What do you think, D.K.?
Yeah, that's a very good one.
He's definitely worth like a late round flyer, I think,
just because the reason they drafted him is pass pro, special teams,
passing game work.
He's a former quarterback, so he like understands how protections.
work and all this shit.
He's a big guy, right?
He's like six foot, two.
Huge.
Yeah, he's probably one of the bigger backs
in this class.
And by the way,
off the top of my head,
I don't have it in front of me,
but I believe he broke more tackles
per carry than Bejohn did.
This guy is absolutely a beast
in the running game.
He's not as explosive.
He's not going to ever hit a home run,
which is why I compared him to Chris Carson.
He's just like a big physical.
But top of your head, D.K.,
how many guys big enough,
like Roshan Johnson to get goal line work
are also savvy enough
as rookies to block on passing downs and also catch.
Like the idea of him being able to catch and get goal line work off the jump,
I feel like just doesn't happen very often.
Yeah, it's very rare, especially with colleges don't really spend a lot of time on pass pro.
They just don't.
Like, it's not a big part of their practice plan.
And so these guys, almost everyone to a man comes into the league just needing work
and pass pro.
It's not something that they do a ton.
So that could be like this sneaky little advantage he gets to get on the field.
and by the way,
Khalil Herbert atrocious in the passing game.
Like he was really,
really bad last year as a pass catcher,
as a pass blocker.
So he was purely an early down guy,
like a runner.
They're not going to trust him
in the passing game most likely
unless he's really developed
there this off season.
So yeah,
he basically, I think,
has to beat out.
If I had to guess,
it'd probably be like Khalil Herbert
and Deonté Foreman
sort of on early downs
and then Roshan comes in on passing downs
and maybe in the goal
and like you said,
that would be sweet.
although that's a bit of rejection
because both Herbert and Deontay Foreman
are still there.
They might get the goal line word.
All right.
Quarterback, honestly,
the rookie quarterbacks this year,
I feel like you're not going to have,
you know,
Will Levis probably not going to be entertained.
Even Bryce Young and CJ Stroud,
it's like if you're in a one quarterback,
if you're in a two quarterback league,
you'll have them.
If you're in one quarterback league,
you're probably not having a ton of Bryce and CJ Stroud.
But let's just say,
look, if he's going to get bench,
he's going to get bench.
But let's say for a moment that Anthony Richardson,
the most athletic quarterback prospect ever,
from Florida who went to the Indianapolis cults with the fourth pick.
Let's just say for the purpose of this exercise,
the chain stike and the head coach,
the Indianapolis comes out and says on August 1st,
Anthony Richardson's going to start in week one.
And he's already implied that he will play the season.
Where, D.K, would you take Anthony Richardson if he's starting in week one?
I have him ranked as my QB 13.
So, like, right outside that starter range,
right outside the top guys.
And if we hear that he's going to be the starter, like honestly,
I don't know, like QB 7 or 8 or something like that,
because he could legitimately suck at passing
and still finish as a top 12 quarterback
because of his running,
because of the offense,
I believe that they're going to run with him
where he's going to be,
basically like Cam Newton,
he's going to score a ton of rushing touchdowns
because in and near the end zone,
he's going to be used on read option keepers,
things like that,
power runs probably.
And so just his rushing floor
gives him a higher upside than the,
you know, the Aaron Rogers, the Tua's, the Derek Cars of the world, the Russell Wilson's of the world.
Like, I'd way rather have Anthony Richardson than one of those guys, Jared Goff.
How would you compare his running ability to say Justin Fields?
I think it's pretty similar.
He's more, he's bigger and more powerful, I'd say.
So he's on the spectrum of like running quarterbacks, he's closer to like a cam, but he's actually just as fast as Justin Fields.
And Justin Fields quietly had the second most rushing yards for quarterback ever last season.
I'm just looking at Justin Fields finished.
as the QB 10 last year.
Yeah, but I bet you points per game.
He was much higher.
He was the QB6 in points per game.
Right.
We're in this weird new era where you can just not be a good quarterback
and be like extremely good at fantasy football.
It's almost like the rules of fantasy football are dumb
and we should change them because it was never intended to be this way.
And whatever.
We don't have to get into that.
QB6 because of his running ability.
Like we could all agree he was not very good at passing the football last year.
I'm guessing that's probably what we're going to see from Anthony
Richardson this year. That's what we saw from Jalen Hertz, his first year. Just sketchy passing.
But even Jaylen Hertz three years ago was averaging he literally didn't have less than 20 fantasy
points in the game to like his 10th start or something. And it's worth noting that Shane Stike and
it's now the offensive coordinator, like the guy who coordinated the Eagles offense last year
is now running the Colts offense. So I'm part of any things, I think that let's just say
the elephant in the room here. A lot of people listening here are probably going to get Trey
PTSD.
Like there's going to be some real,
I was already told about this running guy
in this offense.
But Anthony Richardson,
if he's going to play,
they kind of can't have him play
if he's not going to run a lot.
And so in a weird way,
even though Anthony Richardson
could have a very low floor as a player
in real life,
his floor as a quarterback
seems like really,
really,
really high.
So I agree,
DK.
I actually think he's totally like
take him in the top 110,
120 picks,
dash him,
just like Fields last year
where he ended up being worth it.
It's worth the upside.
Yeah,
like maybe he won't end up
it's like, fine, you're not going to burn an early pick on him.
And I will say, like, comparing him to Lance, it makes sense.
However, he's a way better athlete than Trey Lance is.
He's just way more dynamic, way more elusive, bigger, more powerful.
Like, again, we've never seen a guy like this.
We never seen quarterback.
He's literally the most athletic quarterback ever that's ever been tested at the combine.
And so, to me, that's worth betting on.
And again, like, maybe this is me again, just so it's May.
and I'm way too optimistic,
but these are the types of players that win you leagues.
He obviously might end up playing like five or six games or whatever
because he gets hurt or because they don't start him.
And then so what?
He's just not part of your team.
But he also could be like Lamar where he rushes for over 1,000 yards.
And it wouldn't be that shocking because that's the way they use them.
I mean, Justin Fields rushed for like 1,200 yards last year.
So, yeah, I don't know, man.
I think it's worth it.
Or 1100 yards.
But to me, the upside is worth going forward.
These are the types of players that win you your league.
win your weeks and win your league.
Yeah, Austin just sent us a note that said the most fancy points by rookie quarterback in the 21st
centuries, Cam Newton, Justin Herbert, Robert Griffin, Dak Prescott, Kyler Murray, Andrew Locke, Russell,
James Winston.
I'm not going to like gun on my head.
I actually think Richardson cracks that list.
So we shall see.
When I get to the receivers, four receivers went the first round back to back to back to back.
So we got Jackson Smith and Jigbin went to the Seahawks.
We got Quentin Johnson went to, I almost said to TCU.
Quentin John, he did go to TCU, but he went to the Chargers.
Zayflowers went to the Ravens
and we got Jordan Addison
went to the Vikings. D.K., just for this year,
just for this season. Which of these guys
would you take first?
Ooh, good question.
So I think I would lean Jackson Smith and Jigba
for the Seahawks, slightly over
Jordan Addison. So I'm looking at this list
like pretty much everybody,
well, Smith and Jigba, Addison,
and Quentin Johnston are all
ostensibly the third option in their offense.
Smith and Jigba is behind DK
and Lockett. Jordan Edison is behind
Justin Jefferson and I suppose
Hawkinson, although that's
maybe an assumption that might not be true.
And then Quinn Johnson is behind
Keenan Allen and Mike Williams.
So I think
realistically, both all three of those guys
are like the number three receiver in their offense.
So I'm not super excited, but.
Who is the best odds to become the number two?
I think it's easily Jordan Addison.
I think that T.J. Hawkinson,
again, I'm not to go back to the play
and twist the knife from Vikings fans,
but I think that honestly,
it's representative and they actually would have
A lot of Vikings fans would agree.
The reason that the Vikings season ended with Kirk Cousins checking down was because
Jefferson was just Jefferson was double covered.
And the Vikings traded for T.J. Hawkinson because they had nobody else who could run after
the catch in the receiver of tight end room.
Nobody else who could just get open.
And that's why Hawkinson was such a good tight end down the stretch.
I think Jordan Addison is the guy who steps into that role because Adam Thielin,
Love him to death is dust.
And that Addison is kind of like the skill sets are complementary.
Where Justin Jefferson's this alien player and Addison is kind of the guy who can kind of
just vacuum up everything happening underneath Justin Jefferson.
I think Jordan Addison's like the perfect player and the kind of rookie that I actually think
not can explode and be some like top five guy.
But I think Jordan Addison just feels like the safest of these guys,
but also has a really high ceiling year one.
We have them ranked very similar.
We have Jackson Smith and Jigbo like 91st and then Addison 93rd.
Quentin Johnson and Zay Flowers, I'm not as optimistic about.
Zay Flowers is like there's like four different variables with the rankings where they have a new
offense.
They have Frickin Odell Beckham.
They have Rashad Bateman.
coming back.
Todd Monkin's the new offensive coordinator who's done a lot of passing, but like Harbaugh
is still the coach.
So we just don't know what they're going to do exactly.
And then it's a rookie receiver within that.
So that just seems like a tough situation to emerge from.
There's a lot of ifs in that that you just kind of don't need with Addison and Jigba.
Yeah, you can't sell me on a Ravens wide receiver.
I need to see it first for like weeks over weeks before I buy in.
One last note on here.
It's funny because I'm looking at our rankings and almost all of us have Addison and Smith
and Jibb we're like right next to each other.
I've got them like one apart.
High Fids, I think has them won apart.
So, yeah, it's, it's tough to make that choice,
but those, to me, are the two clear top guys.
If you had to pick DK one receiver out that did not go in the first round
to make a huge impact this season, who would it be?
Yeah, tough one.
I'm going to go between Marvin Mims and Jaden Reed, I guess.
Am I missing anybody, like, obvious here?
I don't think there is anyone obvious because I think this is a really weird draft,
and I think a lot of teams had very different opinions on these guys.
And that was reflected in the order they went.
So Marvin Mims.
For the Broncos.
Yeah.
Sean Payton's first receiver pick that he got to pick on the team.
And they traded up for him.
So it feels as if they have some conviction on him, obviously.
He's been very productive everywhere.
He's gone in terms of high school, college.
Like he's not had off here since he was like 14 years old or something.
So I don't know.
To me, he's just a good fit with Russell Wilson.
I think Russell Wilson, and this is a whole discussion for the Sotsie,
I think Russell Wilson will be better this year, like, period.
I think the offense that they're going to install where they're getting back to
the roots of what Russell Wilson is really good at,
which is run heavy slash balance offense with lots of play action,
lots of deep shots, highly efficient, but not a lot of, not a ton of volume.
Like to me, Marvin Mims fits that perfectly.
He can line up in the slot.
He can line up at Z.
Just take the lid off the defense.
They're going to have Judy kind of, you know,
I think probably ending up getting most of the volume.
Patrick is like a big possession receiver.
And then I think Mims could be that third guy in theory.
I don't know what Cortland Sutton's thing is.
And obviously we need to let things sort of settle here with like they may still trade
Sutton.
They may still trade Judy.
There's been a lot of rumors of that.
So, but like Mims could sneakily kind of get in there.
And then Jaden Reed, he's just a second round pick.
They obviously liked him a lot.
The Packers did.
He's going to be competing in a wide open group of receivers.
That's like the main thing here.
It's like the totem or whatever.
like the pecking order for that offense is like pretty unknown at this point.
Like Christian Watson, I suppose, is the top guy there.
But I think Jaden Reed could be sort of a sneaky one too.
Yeah, right?
Like you got to look at these receiving rooms like, you know, which spot is easier for a player to just rise up the ranks?
Like, where's the competition to finish?
It's obviously not in, you know, the Chargers, you have Keenan Allen and Mike Williams ahead of Quentin Johnson.
They could get hurt.
That's very likely.
But like, you know, you look at somebody like Jonathan Mingo on Carolina.
Like he's going up against Adam Thielen, DJ Chark, and Terrace Marshall are the three-over-de-s receivers in Carolina.
Like, if Jonathan Mingo is half decent, like he's probably going to play.
Same with the Jaden Reed on Green Bay, going up against Christian Watson, Romeo Dubs, and Samari Toure.
I mean, even Jalen Hyatt on your Giants High if it's like the Giants wide receiving room is in the most insane wide receiving room I've ever seen.
They have like seven guys who are all the same, who are all kind of like dudes who have been in the league and been productive, but all.
also haven't really hit the ceiling.
People thought they would hit.
You have Paris Campbell.
You have Dary Slaten, Wondell Robinson,
Isaiah Hodgian, Sterling Shepard,
Jameson Crowder.
If Jalen Hyatt is just an actual real talent,
and he is, right?
The guy's a bulletinikoff winner.
I mean, he could just slot in above all of them immediately, right?
If he's just better than all of these guys
who have had years,
who have had years in the NFL to kind of like show
if they have it and they haven't yet,
couldn't Jalen Hyatt just be the number one guy there?
Everyone keeps saying they don't know what the plan is for the Giants.
And I keep telling you that they know exactly what they're doing.
They have six slot receivers so that the three of them can stand in each other's shoulders on each side.
And then that's two slot receivers and they just wear a trench coat.
I think you're doing hockey shifts, which I actually love.
Every drive is just a new shift of four wide receivers.
To your point, Craig, though, I completely agree.
And like, let's just make up a hypothetical here.
Let's say, hypothetically, we were doing like a dynasty rookie draft.
And we were talking about some of these guys.
And hypothetically, it was with Craig, D.K. and I and all of D.K.'s friends.
And I was on the clock.
And I was between, like right now, someone just picked and now I'm on the clock and we're between, I don't know, Jaden Reed, the Packers receiver.
Are you literally on the clock right now?
You're on the clock right now.
It's not hypothetical.
I'm not helping with it.
What do you think about Jaden Reed versus Josh Downs, D.K.?
Josh Downs.
I refuse to answer that.
I refuse to answer that.
It's a hypothetical.
It's a fantasy football podcast.
You'd like, you have to answer.
Josh Downs versus Jain.
Why don't I pull up my ranks here?
And by the way, we're going to go run through my ranks real quickly just at the end for people that
doing rookie dynasty drafts in this next week.
Obviously, I'm going to post these at the site next week, but just for people doing that.
High Fids, I literally have Jaden Reed and Josh Downs next to each other at 19 and 20.
I've got Jaden Reed one higher than Josh Downs.
Josh Downs, I think his slight limitation is he's a slot-only type player.
That might end up being good in PPR, honestly.
But you got a rookie quarterback in Anthony Richardson.
There's some like unsureness, like in terms of like the unsure.
There's some ambiguity.
uncertainty in terms of what
the offense is going to look like.
I finally figured out.
The more D.K.
He learns about a draft class,
the fewer words.
He,
like,
he kicks words out of his vocabulary.
There's only so much room in there,
man.
DK.
has a lot of words in like October.
In October.
He doesn't know much about a class in,
like, October.
He has all these words.
And by the end,
when he knows everything,
he's got like 12 words easy.
God damn.
Hyphins is getting on me a lot
about my memory these days.
The man has a child,
Hyphins.
of my marbles, high fits.
Honestly, if you compare my memory without a child versus Dekis with,
I'm definitely behind him.
Mine, I should be a lot better than where I'm at.
The slight difference is, number one,
Jaden Rue was drafted higher.
That's obviously usually a good thing.
And he goes into an offense with Jordan Love,
who is going into his,
is it his fourth year or fifth year now?
Fourth year?
It's a head and hooker of mine.
It's like four months or something, whatever that years.
He's still only like 22 years old, but...
I feel like the answer is Jaden Reed, right?
Yeah, Jaden Reed would be who I take there just slightly.
So, but don't do that because I was hoping he would fall to me.
Okay.
Hypothetically.
Yeah.
In theory.
None of that was real.
Tight ends.
Let's be real.
So tight ends just don't perform as rookies.
I mean, even Kyle Pitts, who was like, you know, yelled, brought down from the
mountain top as the greatest tight end prospect of all time.
I mean, if you just look at.
Get a thousand yards.
Yeah, I know.
But like, it was still disappointing because you had to get him in like the 35th pick to get those
thousand yards.
And he had one touchdown or something, right?
Two touchdowns that year?
Yeah.
It was a great season, but...
Did he finished?
Dead last?
Yeah.
Dead last.
Anyway, in a world where somehow
Mike Ditka still has the second most yards
for rookie tight end ever.
And wasn't that in 14 games?
Yes.
He's a legend.
He invented the modern tight end.
Shout out Mike Dicka.
Yeah, Austin just sent us the...
I knew it with.
Evan Engram has the second best...
Evan Ingraham and Jeremy Shockey
have the second most rookie points
for Fantasy Titan ever.
So in this group, this is very deep,
tight end class. However, do we really think any of these guys are going to be great as rookies?
Like, because we're really just talking Dalton Kincaid for the bills who's more of a receiver than a
tight end. But he also didn't do any athletic stuff this offseason and had back surgery. Right.
Or a back issue kept him out of the combine. And then we got Michael Mayer who went to the Raiders.
Like, DK, are you actually going to draft any of these rookie tight ends or can we ignore them for this
season? Also, let's note that Dawson Knox is still on the bills at tight end. And the Raiders,
which I don't think a lot of people know this if they weren't tapped in.
The Raiders have Austin Hooper, my nemesis,
and they have OJ Howard as well as Michael Mayer.
OJ. Howard, another first round tight end that did nothing.
I mean, I think Kincaid is worth taking a flyer on.
I'm not necessarily, we're not pumping him up like we did last year with Kyle,
or two years ago with Kyle Pitts.
I think Kincaid, number one, the bills traded up to get him.
There's been a lot of talk about him like replacing Cole Beasley.
So that slot presence, like high volume potentially in this offense,
there is no established number two in this offense.
Like we got Gabe Dave,
we got Khalil Shakur,
who hasn't done really anything.
Gabe Dave has been disappointing.
He kind of plays his role outside of Stefan Diggs.
Am I missing anybody here?
Like obviously there's a chance that he ends up being the number two receiver in the team.
I think that's why they drafted him because you're like,
am I missing anyone?
No,
that's it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so to me,
I'm taking a risk on Concade,
but you don't have to draft him high anyway.
So it's not really that big of a risk.
So yes,
I am drafting some tight ends.
And look,
he could have a similar.
season to what Evan Ingram had a couple years ago.
Having said that, we're talking about outside the hot 120 picks.
We're talking about like backup tight end.
So Evan Ingram, he was the tight end six as a rookie.
So, you know, in a position group bereft of anything exciting, yeah, I'm taking Concade.
I'm going for it.
And, you know, OJ Howard and Austin Hooper are both signed to one year cheap deals.
So perhaps for Michael Mayer, that means that he will still be kind of getting the
lion's share of the workload to start the season.
Yeah. And the thing about mayor is,
Jimmy G. likes to pass over the middle of field.
Like, that's like his bread and butter area.
Two handsome guys, too, you know?
Yeah, they might become buddies real quick.
Yeah.
That's true.
Going out at night together, hitting the clubs.
I can see it.
Dude, fucking Michael Mayor is going to go from Catholic school in Notre Dame to going out in Vegas
with Jimmy Garoppel.
Like, what's his, that guy's a rude awakening.
Yeah, man.
Holy cow.
Porn stars as your date.
Stuff's really going to change for Michael.
I actually think that throughout this offseason,
Jimmy Garoppolo being the Raiders starting quarterback in Las Vegas
has actually been underplayed.
Like, this is kind of, what is Jimmy G's life like on a day-to-day basis?
What is he doing?
I'd love to know.
I would love to know.
I mean, he's the most, is he the most important athlete or the most famous athlete
in Las Vegas sports history?
A hundred percent.
I mean, I guess.
Devante Adams.
But like, I still think Jimmy G's more famous.
I think Jimmy G is more famous.
Devonty is more famous.
This is always the question, D.K.,
how many people who know who Devante Adams is do not know how Jimmy Garoppolo is versus
the other way around?
Here's what I'll say.
I don't know.
That's tough.
I would get to Monta Adams is more famous.
Anecdotal evidence right here.
My fiancee Elizabeth Kelly, who works at the ringer, she knows who Jimmy Garoppolo is.
She does not know who Devonte Adams.
Jimmy G gets the, uh, the woman vote.
on this one because there's a lot of women probably know who he is because he's so hot.
Okay, I get it.
That's fair.
That's fair.
Devante Adams is that guy who has the Taco Bell in his house in that commercial who played with Aaron Rogers.
Even though, nobody knows that.
We were watching the draft this weekend with Van Lathen who reminded us that he was one of the people that, quote unquote, like, broke the news that Jimmy G had gone on a date with that porn star.
So just, yeah, love that.
Should we get Van Lathen on the show to talk to us about what Jimmy G's up to in Vegas?
I would love to do a Vegas night story,
Vegas athlete story about Jimmy G.
We'll get Dennis Rodman on.
Just do a roundtable.
Okay, wait, there's one of the tight end
who I think is interesting.
And it's Sam Leporta for the Lions.
There's actually not a lot going on
in the Detroit receiving room.
They have a Monrolet's Brown who's great.
They have James and Williams
who is suspended.
The Lions might just straight up hate.
Yeah, they might have regret
with that pick already.
To be clear, Jameson's not gambling on football,
gambled at the facility on a different sport.
Which ridiculous that that is worthy of a suspension.
That he can't gamble on other sports.
My hottest take is it's actually a good idea, but still ridiculous.
They also, so they have a modern St. Brown, who's great.
Jameson Williams is suspended.
They have Marvin Jones, who the man is just turning back the clock every year.
I can't believe he's still in the league.
And honestly, that's kind of it.
There are tight ends other than Sam Leporter are Brock Wright and Shane Zilstra.
So tell me right now why Sam Leporta
isn't just immediately going to be the number two receiver on this team.
And Jemir Gibbs obviously will catch a lot of passes.
I think Amonrass St. Brown is going to catch the first amount of targets.
Okay.
I think it's going to be Gibbs.
The first amount of targets.
The most amount.
The oneth amount.
DeAndre, or sorry, not DeAndre.
D.K. might be having a stroke for 50 minutes straight.
Jamir Gibbs number two.
And then honestly, we could see Leporta be the third guy.
Last year, Craig, do you know who is the third who ranked third on the team?
last year in targets on the Lions.
Khalif Raymond, I don't know.
Yeah, that's right.
Oh, fucker.
Yeah, I'm locked in.
But yes, Caliph Raymond was number three on the team in targets last year.
And I could see Leporta being that guy this year.
So I think, yeah, he's kind of interesting, honestly.
I think this sad answers the Lions fix their defense.
So it's not like they're just thrown all the time anymore.
Honestly, it was like it's going to be like a big TBT to win the line.
It's the Lions from like win games.
They ranked.
the Lions ranked 11th in the NFL in past temps last year per game.
And that was with the 32nd ranked defense.
So when they don't have the worst defense in the NFL, they're going to run a lot more.
And so let call Sam Leporta mini Goddard.
Ooh, like that.
I don't know.
I feel like I'm going to say Sam Leporta.
He's got a little kiddle in him.
Like he's really good after the catch.
He breaks a ton of tackles.
I think I'm in Leporta.
I think it's Leporta season.
Is Leporta?
Does that mean the door in French?
I'm going to look that up.
This was like when we Googled E.N or my girlfriend told me,
with the Aetiana in French is just Stephen.
I'm like, oh, what will we take Travis Stephen in a draft?
I don't even know.
Leporta translation.
Yeah.
It means the door.
Sam, the door.
I like that.
The door.
That's actually awesome.
The door.
The door.
We need to, for every tight end, we need to ferment, take this conversation,
ferment it a couple years and just open the bottle back up in like two years when everyone's
out on that guy and thinks he's a bust.
And you're like, okay, now, now.
We turn fantasy conversations into wine.
And you see how they age?
That's actually pretty funny.
Yeah.
It's like, oh, this bottle of Aaron Hernandez has aged horrifically.
And it's like, oh, this bottle of, you know, Dach President.
Tadier Spears, no ACL, no cartilage.
It's like milk.
Let's write that one down.
Okay.
It's a cheap cab you get on the bottom shelf.
Austin just shared a different explanation.
La Porta in English, from French to English means carried her.
Like portage carried her.
I can see that.
I think it means either the door or he carried her.
You're going to carry my team.
Yeah, he's going to carry the, put the team on the back.
I like that.
Also, like, Hawkinson got a lot of run, like on the Lions.
He was second in targets here last year for them.
I mean, we're talking about a rookie tight end here that you're going to draft in the 16th round.
I feel like that's true.
It's decent.
This is not high stakes.
It's a good point.
All right.
We got an email from Rahil.
Reheal.
I'm surprised you guys didn't bring up that the Patriots drafted.
receiver named Booty.
And not only is his name
Kashan Booty, but that this of all
the players, Booty was
reportedly involved in an
orgy with LSU personnel.
Oh.
Okay.
Well, there is a reason.
I suppose that could be related to the reason.
He originally was going to go back to
LSU, and then he
changed his mind, ended up
declaring for the draft. He went the sixth round to the
Patriots. I don't know. To me, he's one of
the more interesting guys in
this rookie receiver class, because
if you went back to at this time last, like, say September, last year before the season started
or August, he was a lot of people had him as the wide receiver one in this class.
Like he was the top guy.
His first two years at LSU were ridiculous.
He had like one game.
And as a freshman that was like 300 something yards.
You know, he's a big time recruit.
He's explosive.
He has a track background.
And then he got hurt.
He had an ankle injury.
I want to say he had like a high ankle or something and he had to get a procedure on it.
It didn't work.
or maybe it was a foot injury.
They had to get surgery again.
And then he just fell off the map this year.
It was terrible.
They had a new coach.
They had a new quarterback.
He had some issues that, like, very clearly on tape, like, he just was not giving
100% effort.
And it was just like everything went wrong for him.
Fell to the sixth round.
That being said, like, he still has that background and that talent to be very interesting
here in New England where there's not a lot of, again, there's not pressure for him
to do anything because he's a six-round pick.
Question.
Why was it reported that he had an order?
Orgy.
Whose business is that, but his own?
It was a whole thing.
There were staffers and it was a people employed.
Yes.
It was, yeah.
Really, they're the ones who got fired.
I'm just Googling Kishan Bouti orgy now.
I'll be careful.
That is, is that a work computer?
Also, I mean, I obviously know that it's frowned upon to have orgies with your coworkers,
but is it illegal?
Careful now.
Listen, I'm marrying my co-worker.
I know, I was going to say, Craig had to report his relationship to HR, so...
Well, it's like, if four people really like one another and want to have an orgy and they all work...
A polycule, if you will.
Who cares?
Who's business is it but their own?
Let the people fuck.
What's the life coming fast?
What, like, I'm pro workplace orgy?
All right, well, this was the last episode of the Ring and Fantasy Football Show.
Thank you, everyone for being with us on this run.
I don't think we'll ever do the other show again.
That's a great way to end.
That was honestly, it's on brand.
That was how we were always going to go out.
Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig.
Thank you, Austin for being the Bajon Robinson behind the scenes.
Do a little bit of everything?
Incredible, incredible amount of, like, facts going on in the Slack right now from Austin.
Do you guys remember that Twitter account, Uber Fax?
That's Austin.
Austin actually was the guy running that.
Call them, oops.
Thank you, Kai, for producing this episode.
Thank you, Lord.
Lord.
Thank you, the Doors.
Nice.
Jim Morrison, if you will.
The Doors movie is good.
With Vin, or sorry, Val Kilmer?
Yeah, Val Kilmer plays Jim Morrison.
I actually like it.
It's a little chaotic, but it's pretty fun.
There's a bar I go to in L.A.
in Santa Monica called Ye Old Kingshead.
It's like an English pub.
And Jim Morrison used to go there.
There's like a picture of like him on the wall.
He used to just like go and drink.
I'm like, hang.
Sweet.
Way back in the day.
Are you a big doors guy, Craig?
Uh, I, I, I, I, I wouldn't say so.
I like, like, some of their songs, but I'm not, like, a, like, a real passion.
A door's head.
Doors guy.
I'm not a door's head.
I'm not a La Porta.
That's what they call the fans.
Yeah.
Hi, Fitz, nothing.
Do you like the doors?
More of a windows guy.
Nice.
Ho.
If I knew what window was in French, I would have said La and then window, but I don't know.
Ventana?
I guess that's Spanish.
Might be someone.
Austin.
Where you at?
Where's your facts?
Everything in French.
I can't say that in French
Defenestration
That's probably where the
Defenestrations
When you throw someone out of a window
So when it was just fenestre
Still can't believe there's a word
For throwing somebody out of a window
I don't just don't think
Well, when if something happens a lot
You name it
I just don't I guess
I guess that was happening a lot of those things
I mean look if it was 1500
We would have defenestrated Cal Pitts
But now we just yell at them on the internet
So before we go
I wanted to remember to do my rankings
my, this is going to be dynasty rookie rankings for Superflex tight end premium, which is like the most
common thing that I've been playing lately.
So this is obviously you get an extra half point if you're a tight end.
So that's why the tight ends may be a little bit higher than normal standard rankings.
So here we go.
Number one, Anthony Richardson.
Number two, Jemir Gibbs.
And by the way, if you need a quarterback, I am okay with you taking a quarterback before
Jim.
Sorry, you have Richardson one and Gibbs too?
That's correct.
Over Bajon Robinson?
Oh, sorry, hold on.
I was not scroll to the top.
Bejohn is number one.
I was missing one line.
We're keeping that.
Thank you.
That's kind of important.
Bejohn Robinson number one,
Anthony Richardson number two.
Thank you for correcting me on that.
Jemir Gibbs,
I've got third,
but it's also like a tier
with C.J. Strau,
Jackson, with a jig,
but Bryce Young.
And then right after that,
I got Jordan Addison.
I got Dalton Kincaid,
Quentin Johnson,
Zay Flowers,
Michael Mayor,
Devon A chain, Will Levis,
and then dropping down quite a bit here.
We got Zach Charbonnet, Marvin Mims,
Sam Leporta, Sam the Door,
although after talking about him,
I might move him up slightly.
Kendrae Miller, Luke Musgrave,
Jaden Reed, Josh Downs, Jonathan Mingo,
Rishi Rice, Tai J. Spears,
Roshan Johnson.
And then that's my top 24.
And if you want to go further out
from that, Luke Schoonaker from the Cowboys,
who I think is sneaky,
again, I have a really good opportunity here in Dallas,
Jalen Hyatt, Darnow Washington,
Tank Bigsby, and Hendon Hooker.
So that's my top
29, and obviously
after that, it's pretty wide open.
If you have the 30th pick, then you can just go to hell.
That's what D.K. says.
It's just wide open.
There's a whole slew of guys from there
that just go with your gut on those guys.
But I'm going to have this published next week
for people that are doing their wicket traps.
Fantasyfibald.com, baby.
Yeah.
All right.
Goodbye, everyone.
