The Ringer NFL Show - The Case For and Against Every QB in the Draft, and Did We Actually GO to the Moon?

Episode Date: April 9, 2026

The guys make the case for and against every quarterback in the draft, from prototypical big-arm projects to flawed prospects with major red flags, debating upside, landing spots, and why teams keep talking themselves into risky bets . They also spiral into one very important question: did we actually "go" to the moon? (00:00) Intro (01:15) Quarterback Prospects: Coin Flip Edition (02:44) Fernando Mendoza (16:53) Ty Simpson (26:28) Garrett Nussmeier (36:24) Drew Allar (43:17) Carson Beck (57:01) Dexter Lawrence trade request (01:08:23) Emails Discord link: https://discord.gg/Ge8bbYHrau Check out The Ringer’s 2026 NFL Draft Guide: https://theringer.com/nfl-draft/2026/big-board#content Email us! [e-mail] Shop Amazon and save the everyday. Visit amazon.com today. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Austin Gayle, Abou Kamara, Carlos Chiriboga, and Cameron Dinwiddie Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

NFL draft show, aka the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Hyphen. Today I'm joined by Danny, Kaylee, and Craig Horlebeck. And today we are going over the quarterbacks in the 2026 NFL draft for Nana Mendoza and a bunch of guys who might suck or maybe start, right, D.K. That's right. It's a down year for quarterbacks, I'd say, probably. But there are a few intriguing options in the third, fourth round range that I'd be willing

to take a gamble on. I mean, honestly, like when I was watching these guys, I kind of got a little bit excited about potential for development. I'm not saying there'll be year one starters. but there's some tools there with these guys. So we'll get into all those guys. That's such an early April thought to us. Actually, after two months of no other options,

these guys are looking pretty good. Craig, preseason's going to be lit. It's like you're in a desert. Preseason's going to be fun. You're like Tom Hanks and Castaway looking at a coconut. You're like, wow, this is actually a filet mignon. You start thinking about eating your friend's legs or something. They don't eat that.

That's probably true. True Alar is Tulesy. We're going to go to the quarterback prospects, and I'm going to propose something to you guys on this live. Do we want to do the coin flip challenge where DK and I are both prepared to talk about these guys, but we actually are just going to have to end up

on opposite sides of the argument and pissed about it. I would love to do that. Sure, why not? So Craig, you're on the road. You're in San Francisco for this Live, rewatchables tonight. So I assume you don't have a coin.

Do you have anything you can flip? And then I'll explain why you go. DK and I are going to just... I'd be equally less likely to have a coin even if I were home, but I have something. I have a key card. I can throw it.

Okay, perfect. So, well, why does you explain the gimmick here, Craig? Basically, we're like, we could sit here and tell you about all these bad quarterbacks other than Mendoza, but we're going to go ahead

and DEC and I, we're going to flip a coin or card, whatever, Craig's rookie. And then we're going to see, DECR I will either have to make the case for or against these people as if we're like their, man, lawyers.

I love it. This is my favorite exercise to do every year, so I'm happy that we're doing this impromptu right now. What is the, what does this flip actually assign? Do we get to choose? Does the winner get to choose or just one side?

D.K calls the side, heads or tails. And if he wins, he gets the pick. Yeah, you're right, actually. I think we should be forced into it. Yeah, I think we'll just decide. Like, heads means Danny Kelly makes the case for Mendoza. Tails means he makes the case against. Do we want to do that?

Yeah, that works. Okay, great. So we'll start with Mendoza. Heads, D.K., you make the case for him, tails against him. I'm going to throw this key card in the air on my lap. It was heads. You get pro-Mendoza hyphen-tsey, anti-Mendoza. So we'll always start with the pro, which means D-K.

I want you to tell me some comps. I want you to tell me why Mendoza is a great first overall pick in the draft. I think, okay, first of all, the parallels between him and Joe Burrow are actually closer than you might think. In terms of size, arm talent, overall just winning ability, he went out and won the national title with Indiana, with Indiana. I mean, even Joe Burrow could never have done that, probably. But yeah, and I think he's big.

You don't think Joe Burrow would have won the national title on that Indiana team? What are you talking? We'll never know. We'll never know, Craig. He doesn't, he doesn't have the, he doesn't have the, I don't know what it is, the Geneseecois that Fernando Mendoza has. You don't think Burrow had Geneseecois. All right. I agree.

It's not the same Geneseecois. I'll give him that. I'm, I am his lawyer here. I'm trying to fucking pump him up, all right? So anyways, I mean, Burrow is just kind of aloof. He's just in there smoking a cigar by himself. Mendoza's in there celebrating with his teammates. You know what I mean?

He's pumping up his teammates. He's not trying to make it about him. Burro is a diva. No, so basically Mendoza, here's the story. Great size, very accurate. Obviously, poise in big situations, if you look at his third down number, fourth down numbers, latent games, obviously big games. He's always been really clutch.

So I think that's what he's bringing into the league. And, you know, there is a development arc that's going to happen. happen here. He's probably going to start. He's probably going to start on the bench behind Kirk Cousins, but I think that's actually good for him. And I think I like the fit here with Kubiak because Kubiak has a history of kind of getting the most of his quarterback. You say Kubiak, the Seahawks, the head coach of the Raiders. Yes, Clint Kubiak, very, very likely going to the Raiders. I think it's only seven Kubiaks. Just need to clarify sometime for all seven Oh, right. Not Klein, not Clay. Clay one of them. Clint. I think Clay sounds right. Yeah,

there's three Ks, which, you know, you never really want three Ks in a row. No. You never want, no. Unless you're playing baseball. Yeah, so that's the elevator pitch on Fernando Mendoza. Clutch, steely, a little bit of a goofball in a good way, complimentary. Okay. Hi, Fitts.

Tell me why Mendoza is overrated because he's just in a bad quarterback class. I mean, D.K. just say he's a goofball. Leading the witness. Dickens just said he's a goofball who's less great quarterback that got called a goofball? The guy who's going to start in front of him, Kirk Cousins. He was a fourth round pick

and every team who's Adam got rid of him. He's the highest paid quarterback of all time. He's the richest quarterback at the NFL. Well, that's the, yeah, he stole a lot of money. Tom Brady was a six round pick, I mean, what's your point? I think Kirk Cousin, sorry, I think Fernando Mendoza will be the greatest of all time as a

in-studio analyst for CBS. Yes. No one prepares like him. That's Fernando Mendoza's floor is just like the most unbelievable announcer. He'll just run circles around Tom Brady as an announcer. It'll be great. But no, I mean, Fernando Mendoza, I mean, look, obviously I think he's going to be good. And I agree with D.K., there are borough similarities of which didn't really mention the whole

high's been winning undefeated season as a transfer late bloomer. That was implied. The problem with Mendoza, I think that, one, he took five snaps under center in college. about as many RPO's as any quarterback in the entire country. Tom Brady's decided to bench Mendoza before he even drafted him. You know what I mean? They're not even going to play him. They're like, we're just saying her cousin.

They're benching his ass before he got there. No, I think that the real issue with Mendoza and if Mendoza doesn't work and we look back and be like, how did we miss him? I think the issue is that when Mendoza was at Cal, the offensive line sucked, and Mendoza was pretty bad under pressure and unremarkable as a player. And even in the very beginning of Indiana's season, they really just, the quality of old dominion in like Indiana State were like pretty bad teams.

He was fine. And then he got better against good competition, but like Indiana's offensive line is pretty good. If the Raiders' offensive line isn't like transformed under Clint Kubiak and Mendoza's pressure, then I think Mendoza is closer to like the Jared Gough that Sean McVeigh got rid of. You know what I mean?

Where he could be really good on a stack team. Yeah, really good on a stack team like Indiana. But there's also a world that if Mendoza's getting a lot of interior pressure, or maybe he does need to, he's not necessarily as transformative of players who want. So it's not like a shoe. And also, he literally said to Ricky Williams on the Heisman trophy stage. He's like, I'm going to need some, I need to get into girls eventually. Do you have any advice?

I need to get into girls. Yeah, that's a little bit of a red flag. DK, what are your thoughts on his mobility? He's a big guy. He's not super fast, but, but I mean, he's, his most famous playing college is probably a run. Right, right. And he ran for 276 yards last year at Indiana. How do you see that translating into the NFL?

Like how much of that will be a part of his game as an NFL quarterback, in your opinion? I don't think he's going to be a runner, but he has the athleticism and functional pocket movement to like move around a little bit. Like a Joe Burrow kind of mobility. Yeah, he's not a statue. And he's not unathletic. I think when you talk about guys pocket passers, some of them are, you just kind of, they're like a young giraffe, or baby giraffe or whatever, like they just can't move. They're uncoordinated, lanky, leggy runners, can't really make things happen outside of structure.

And then I do think that Mendoza, when he gets off his spot, there's sometimes like his footwork is a little bit clunky, I would say. But he has the athleticism. We saw that on that run. I mean, he was, you know, he like spun off a guy. He dove into the end zone. It was a really impressive run. He's not like a bad athlete is what I would say. He's just not, he's not a dual threat quarterback, but he's not a bad athlete.

And he... I thought it's not a dual threat quarterback because he won the national championship running it in the end zone. Well, they're not going to design an offense where he's taking a lot of quarterback keepers. Maybe in key situations he can do it. How do we feel about his arm strength particularly, D.K. Like, is he... Would you put him in the top half of NFL starting quarterbacks in terms of arm strength? Yeah, I guess like just a little bit, slightly above average in terms of arm strength.

It is not, arm strength is not a strength of his. Not a canon. I think he's got a better arm than Joe Burrow. I think Mendoza does. I think that the, if you remember when Burrow was coming out, arm strength was actually a question. It was the only question.

I think that Mendoza, he's able to do the thing that Tom Brady cares about the most, which is from the opposite hash on third and ten, can you rip a dig to the, or can you rip it out to the opposite side line, which is like a third and eight, but it's actually a 40-yard throw for third and eight sideways. And like, Mendoza can do that, no question.

He's also fucking huge. Like, I think people, I think his personality, if you think he's smaller. He's 6.5.2.30. Yeah. While you guys were talking, I just realized that my new comp, my comparison for Fernando Mendoza, he's Tom Hanks and big. He's a 12-year-old boy that suddenly just became like the 23-year-old 6-foot-6 number one pick in the draft.

But he's really just like 11 years old. Yeah. He's like doing the little like big piano dance in the pocket, you know? Oh, yeah. At the toy store in New York. Yeah. He's just talking about, like, shout out to the line.

I love my hockey's. Golly! Let's go. Let's go. He dates a woman who then realizes that he's a 12-year-old boy inside of a man's body and she doesn't really know

what to do with that. Yeah, the parallels are pretty crazy, actually. He's, yeah. You know, this comp is going to be loose. But the more I watch him and the more I like, listen to him, stay with me here for a second. He kind of reminds me of Philip Rivers

because, One, they're very similar size. Phil's sneaky big, like 6-5-2-30. He's a way more athletic, Phil Rivers, but kind of like the really tough, kind of quirky, but like a good leader. Like, Phil doesn't swear. You know, Phil Rivers talk shit,

but he doesn't say any swear words. Mendoza, I feel like is that same kind of mentality where like he could kind of get guys to run through a wall for them, but he does it in a very, like, polite, respectful way. Where it's like, oh, like, you maybe don't want to get a beer with them,

but you also love him. and kind of a weird throwing motion. Like I think Mendoza's throwing motion is a little odd. Philip Rivers is a little odd. I feel like Phil as a deep ball thrower was like, he was much better inside 30 yards. Like that's when you really trusted Phil the long game, a little bit messier.

He's just a more athletic version of it. But I kind of see like that ceiling for Mendoza. That's like a Phil Rivers time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like that. Personality-wise, spot on. Yeah. You know, in terms of the,

he's going to be saying fricking, and flipping to his receivers if they run the wrong route. Come on, flip and get out there. Come on, guys. The ceiling is, yeah, if Joe Burrow was actually Philip Rivers is probably the ceiling. And the floor is if Kirk Cousins was also Phil Rivers somehow. I think you're under, you're underselling how weird Philip Rivers is throwing motion was, though. That's true.

It was like kind of like, yeah, pushing it. It's like a trebushet. He's shot putting it, yeah. Yeah, shot foot. But I do like that, though. But Dika, how, for Fernando Mendoza, I think it's worth staying on him for a second, just because he's going to be the number one pick. He is going to be in the NFL for a long time.

Like what is his seal? Like the best version of him, do you think he's ever like actually an elite quarterback? Like right now the way we think of Bahams, Josh Allen Lamar. Do you think that his ceiling's like more of a tier two quarterback? And I'm curious how he compares to like Cam Ward and C.J. Stroud and other quarterbacks has gone high.

Yeah, that's tough. I feel like I've for most of the draft process and this is just kind of a function of the draft process as you go along. You talk yourself into guys more and more. I kind of, but I'm feeling confident that he's going to be a good player. I don't know if elite is necessarily his ceiling. I think above average starter is what you're getting in the NFL.

But I mean, at that, but the way that we work in the NFL media is for a while there, we thought C.J. Stroud was an elite quarterback, and then he kind of fell off. And it just kind of depends on the stats in the year. I think he has within him the ability to be, and when we've seen this with Jared Gough, like one of the leading quarterbacks in terms of touchdown passes in a season, And then we're going to be talking about how elite he is. But I don't think he has the skill set and tools to be like a Patrick Mahomes type of player, if that makes any sense. But it is kind of like, I mean, I don't know.

It just depends on your definition. I think Mendoza's superpower is not necessarily physical. It's that he makes good decisions quickly. Right. That's also what Joe Burroughs best is. I mean, yeah, he plays in rhythm. Quickly and it's very accurate. Plays in rhythm.

He's on time. He's accurate. I mean, a guy like that, even if he's not going to run up. a bunch and maybe put up huge numbers as a runner can be an elite quarterback. But he's a goofball, as you said. So, you know. How confident are we in the situation he's stepping into? How would we grade it on the scale of kind of where the usual first overall picks land?

You would have to say this is decent for a first overall pick landing spot, right? I mean, the offensive line needs a lot of work. But considering you have an offensive play caller that people seem to really trust who has a great track record. And you have some real, I mean, Ashton, Genti and Brock Bowers is a great place to start. And like, you know, it could have very easily been the Arizona Cardinals

with the number one pick in the draft and going into that, or, you know, you feel a lot worse. Or the tightens or something like that. Go down the list, Craig. It's the Jets. I would feel horrible about that. I thought you said their vibes are doing great.

Again, you didn't, you misunderstood, you misunderstood the actual process of what we were doing there. It was the change in vibes. The Jets, Cardinals, Titans, Browns. I'm going to leave the Giants out of this because they have a quarterback. The, let's see, going down the list, the dolphins.

I don't know. Honestly, this is probably a best case scenario of the realistic teams he was going to land with in the top. How much of that's the roster versus your confidence in Kubiak, who's an offensive coordinator that just won a Super Bowl, Sam Darnold? Yeah, I mean, a lot of it has to do with the offensive system that he's going to be running. I mean, look what Kubiak did with Derek Carr in the beginning of the 2024 season when he was absolutely lighting it up

and Derek putting up very non-Derick car numbers, right? So I have a lot of confidence in this system. He did great with Sam Darnold, helped turn Sam Darnold into what he was this last year. And I don't know, I do think, obviously, he has to be a good player. It's not like he's just going to magically get dropped into the system and be an all-pro player.

But, yeah, I mean, it could be worse, I guess, is what I'm saying. It's hard to get dropped in and be all-pro because he's not going to play. Sure. Not for at least probably the first half of the year, maybe the entire season. Which, again, is good for him. Go backwards. I mean, Cam Ward stepping into the Titans last year, rough situation. Caleb on the Bears, year one, brutal situation.

Bryce and Carolina, not great. I mean, Trevor Lawrence going to that Jags team, but Urban Meyer fucking disaster. The coach matters a lot, man. This is one of the better landing spots in a little bit, I would say, for a number of an overall pick. And you're in Vegas, which I imagine Mendoza is just going to love. He's going to have some awesome fears. He's going to go to Cirque to Soleil with Kirk Cousins. He's going to have a great time at a magic show and going to the sphere.

He's going to look at the sphere. He's going to see the matinee during the daytime. Did you see David Copperfield is retiring? I think I saw that. Yeah, hanging it up. Yeah, I think he's kind of. Is he just saying that to sell tickets? Like, he's ending his 25-year residency after Craig just made fun of him too hard.

Wow. I think he needs to retire. Let's put it that way. For a variety of reasons. Sure. Fernando Mendoza's, yeah, drove him to retirement. Yeah. Yeah.

I think there's more there to Copperfield, if you dig in a little deeper. Okay. Should we move on to Ty Simpson? Hold on. I'm Googling why David Coplefield's really canceling his residency. You got me curious. It's an Epstein thing. You hit on one of the words.

Oh, my. Yeah. Okay, let's move on. Ty Simpson. Yeah. You hit on one of the words, canceling his residency. Yeah, Ty Simpson. Support him back out of Alabama.

Heds, I defend him? Heads, D.K. No, no, heads, D.K. This is for Copperfield. Heads, D.K. has to support Copperfield. Sure. Heads you support Ty Simpson. That's a copperfield could have made the evidence disappear if it was damning.

That's true. That's good and bad. It's not that good. Here we go. Heads you support Mendoza. Tails you don't. Tails. Simpson, you mean?

Tyson, sorry, Simpson. Yeah. So tails, which means D-K has to make the case against Ty Simpson. So we'll start with high fits. High-fits. Unfortunately for you, you have to tell us why Ty Simpson is going to be fantastic. But we'll start with you. Why should I be optimistic about Ty Simpson?

I mean, don't worry about the fact that he only started like one out of five seasons in college and that half of that one season sucked. Like the first half of the season when he was healthy before he lost 11 pounds from his stomach lining getting all fucked up from his back injury and pain pills. That like seven-week stretch, Ty Simpson was awesome. DK himself was thinking about Tyne Simpson as maybe the number one picking the entire draft as of Halloween. Just don't

worry about the Oklahoma-Bama game where Chris Fallers is announcing the game. And Chris Fowler's like, I actually think I can see the static in Ty Simpson's brain during this game. That doesn't matter because he was hurt. But the first seven weeks, Ty Simpson was fantastic. And in all seriousness, he can throw, he's a little small, but he has good arm, he can throw in the run. He's mobile. He's honestly like a smaller Daniel Jones.

And I think if you look, like there are a lot of quarterbacks similar to him. Some hair-brain. mistakes, but, like, I think that the first half is his, Ty Simpson's arm is not as good as Sam Darnold, but I think Ty Simpson has some similarities to Darnold where if you can get past some of the infuriating face-paw mistakes, like Ty Simpson actually could take a, like a pretty good team, like a good roster on a playoff run, and he's accurate, he's decision-making, he's able to do stuff of the offensive line, probably at a higher level than other teams. And Bama's offensive line suck. They couldn't run the ball, and he still got him to the playoff

anyway. So you can't, you probably won't win because of him, but you're saying you won't lose because of him either. He can be on a good team and work. You can win with him. Yes. And he's the kind of guy that like, should it be the first pick? No. But the idea like, well, you can't take him in the first round. It's like, well, if he, Jackson, Dar, Tyler Shuck, like some of these guys have done really well. And so I think that Ty Simpson's odds of being like a good in service of quarterback are actually pretty high if he goes to the right team. Daniel Jones, but smaller does kind of send a chill down my spine. Well, Daniel Jones's spine is influencing your thinking because 2019, Daniel Jones. Okay.

D.K. You have the easy task here. You know how some teams have arm length benchmarks and maybe 40-time benchmarks for cornerbacks or whatever like that. I've got, and this is a new thing that I've started this year, I've got starts benchmarks for quarterbacks. A benchmark? Yes, right. He was on the bench for too many starts. So to me, the big thing here is he's coming into the NFL, you know, a little bit older already for a prospect, but very inexperienced.

It's a weird, weird sort of contrast that, you know, in the current college structure, you have these guys that are transferring three or four times, getting a lot of experience. We saw this with Bo Nix. You had a ton of college starts. I think you had the most college starts of any college quarterback. Those guys are just transfer cowards selling their services to the highest bidder, unlike the loyalty of Ty Simpson, he's waited his turn at Alabama. Sure, sure. That was, this, that was better than anything you did during your defense, by the way. But yeah, I mean, I think to me, especially in this current college landscape, it's just crazy that he only had one year starting and is going to be, he's already 23 years old coming into the NFL. And to me, that is just, I am not willing. If I'm a GM, I am not willing to bet on that profile with an early round pick.

Too many times in the past, pretty much every time in the past almost, we've seen guys with that very, very limited experience fail in the NFL. very obvious reasons. Let's do it. Everyone's faster. Everyone's bigger, faster, stronger. Yeah, sure. Ty Simpson's not a bloodthirsty mercenary. He just cares about putting the program by himself. Hyphins isn't in his natural state unless he's interrupting people in trying to like back

them off of their points. He can't just do like an opening statement. He's really good at interrupting though. It does seem to work. It does. It gets me off track. What was I even talking about? Oh, the people with 15 or fewer.

That strategy. Craig, here are the quarterbacks over the last 10 years with 15 or fewer. 15 starts is what Ty Simpson has in college. And here's the quarterbacks in last 10 years with 15 or few starts that went into first round. Mitch Trubisky, Jain Haskins, Anthony Richardson. I mean, Anthony Richardson is kind of a good example of this where it's like the physical tools were outstanding.

But this guy just clearly needs way more reps throwing a football, especially against very, very good defenses with very fast and big players. I just think it's so, it is such a logical thing for me. I understand that he could, Ty Simpson could be a big outlier and develop in the league and maybe sit for a couple of years and then come out and be a starter at some point. I think that's probably a possibility. But I'm just not willing to bet on that with a first round pick. You just need more reps.

You just need more practice. At least with Anthony Richardson, you can tell yourself, he is such an outlier physically in every regard. Yeah. it's worth it. Ty Simpson is like, it's the worst of both worlds. He doesn't have a lot of production. He's older and doesn't have the Bo Nix. Oh, well, at least he started 55 games or whatever. Or Brock Purdy, who started a bunch of games in college. Exactly. But then he's also not the Anthony Richardson while it's like, well, me, I sure he didn't play a lot of games, but I mean,

physically, this guy's a freak of nature. He doesn't have either of those things. But Ty Simpson's dad is a football coach. And so if you think about the coach, he doesn't need to play that much. It's in his brain. And also, Dan Arlofski, ESPN said Ty Simpson maybe should be the number one pick over Fernando Mendoza to the Raiders. So, D.K., what are you saying? Dan Arlowski, stupid? No, I'm just saying that's not a bet I would take. I would not do that personally.

And it's not to say there's nothing. Dan O'Aolowski played the NFL quarterback position and he thinks Ty Simpson could be better than Mendoza. So what are you saying, D.K. You didn't play the NFL. That's fair. That's fair.

If he was a GM, I am letting him make that choice. Can you confirm that you did not play in the NFL? I did not play in the NFL. You're right. that's right okay no further question no further question when I watched this movie

Craig I watched this movie Nuremberg last night which is all about the Nuremberg trials is on Netflix is Russell Crow in that is big Russell Crow I scrolled right past that it's funny

our show being on Netflix is funny because sometimes it's just like peeky blinders Tommy Shelby and then like us and I'm like that's funny Russell Crow as Herman Gering and then there's us right yeah we're next to each other

I'm like that's crazy Yeah, so anyways, that's how I feel right now. I feel like I'm on the stand at Nuremberg. Craig's just interrupting and... You feel like a Nazi? You're trying to trap me here, yeah. Exactly, Craig. Where do you think Ty Simpson's going to go?

If you had to bet, is he going to go in the first round? If I had to bet late first. You do? You think someone's going to trade up to get him? Yeah. I think first, yes, because... So for a couple of reasons. I think, yes, Ty Simpson does go in the first round

because one, so the way that contracts work, so every player in the NFL who get drafted, they all get a four-year deal for a preset amount of money basically based on where you're drafted, not the position you play. And so the first rounders, though, the team also gets a fifth-year option. So I think that this is like the Ravens,

took Lamar Jackson 32nd, they traded back in, they get the fifth-year option. I think for a quarterback like Ty Simpson, like you're probably going to do that. And also, there's probably a big enough gap between him and the next guy's coming up that a team is probably going to, if you want Ty Simpson,

like if the Cardinals want him at the 30, fifth pick or whatever. Just trade like a third or fourth rounder and get the extra fifth year on his contract because if it's going to be good, you might as well have them. So I do think Ty Simpson goes in the first round. The Ty Simpson discussion reminds me so much of the Tray Lance stuff that we talked about prior to that draft where we were like, this guy's thrown like 215 passes since high school. And it just matters to me. It just matters to me. Well, one, Tysonson played at Bama and Tray Lance with North Dakota State. Yeah, but Tray Lance was like a physical freak and has this dual threat ability,

and you could kind of talk yourself into that. To me, it's like Ty Simpson being small, undersized, and very inexperienced. Like, to me, that, okay, that's just, I'm not making that bet. What would you say you do here? He completed the most passes in all of college football this year, Ty Simpson did.

Literally, they had the most completions of any quarterback. Yeah, yeah, that's true. They're the most attempts. One before more passes. Credit to you, that was a valiant attempt. to defend Ty Simpson. Great job. I pulled through. I had to skip over my notes here because I almost read the one out loud

that said when I was watching Bam Oklahoma, I said, I know one of these quarterbacks got thumb surgery this season, but I can't tell which one. I know. High Fitzts, I wish I could pull up some of your texts from talking about Ty Simpson in the group chat. You're like, there's absolutely no way he's coming out, right? He has to go back to school. Oh, yeah, yeah. Let's make for a would be play. No, I want that stricken for the record. Okay, let's move on to Garrett Nussmeyer, the quarterback at LSU. Another guy who's been on the same team for five years.

I will flip the card. So condescendingly. D.K. Heads, you support Nussmeier. It tails you against him. All right. It is heads. All right.

So you are making the case for the LSU quarterback, DK. Tell me a little bit about Nussie. Nussmeyer is arbitrage, Ty Simpson, but way cheaper. The storylines are very similar. Both coaches' sons, both, you know, physically a little bit limited, undersized guys.

So basically, Nussmeyer, I think, was just over 200 pounds, 6'1. That's obviously not prototypical size. But that's exactly around where Ty Simpson is as well. The thing I really like about Nussmeier, he is plucky. He is willing to rip it. how I talk about Baker Mayfield just absolutely fucking ripping passes. Just loves to rip passes. There's nothing he'd rather be doing in life.

He was born to rip passes down the seams. That's how I feel about Nussmeyer. Dude loves throwing, he just loves ripping passes down the seams, man. Nothing better in life than, you know, fishing and ripping passes. That's just kind of how I get it. That's how I imagine he lives his life. So basically, yes, he is undersized. the play fell off this last year.

We're like two minutes in it. He's small and he rips passes. That's basically all you need to know. That's the elevator pitch. You want somebody who's going to rip passes? Give me a comp. Is it comp Baker Mayfield? Who's your comp?

The high-end comp to me would be like a guy like Baker-Mayfield. Yeah, I put high-end Baker-Mayfield mid-range with someone like Andy Dalton, low-end, Sam Howell, where ripping passes is derogatory. But, yeah, to me, if you're getting him in the third round, that's much more palatable than taking someone in the first round. I don't really understand why no one's talking about Nussmeyer because there are some really good, there are some good tape on him in terms of what he did in 2024.

His play fell off this last year and he was hurt. He had some abdominal injury that he said was excruciating every time he tried to throw the football, which is the main thing that quarterbacks do is throw the football. But yeah, he makes plays out of structure. He's got some gamer to him where, you know, if things break down, he's willing to get outside of the pocket and he keeps the size downfield. He tries to push it downfield. Sometimes that ends up being bad.

He basically, I'm going to do Hife's his job for him here. He sometimes kind of short circuits and it will just throw these passes that you're like, what the fuck are you doing? Only in the most important parts of the biggest game. Right. Correct. So that is why he's going to be a third rounder. If he didn't do that, he probably would go higher.

But so to me that you have to massage that part of his game out of him. But he's a gunslinger. He has a gunslinger mentality. If he can be a little bit more of a game manager, I think he could be a starter in the NFL. Hivis. Nussmire is a gunslinger and then when I went to watch him, I was like, wow, shoots himself with a foot a lot.

Like he grabs the holes in the jaw. Sometimes he shoots himself though. Plaquesco Burris, real gunslinger, plaquesco burris. I'm like watching Garrett Nussmire and I like can't get over the sequence from the Bama game where obviously LSU Bamba is a huge game. And the LSU's down 14 and they're at like the goal line. They're at like the five yard line.

It's third down. And they're down 14, but there's like, 25 minutes left. So if they score, they're down seven. It's a game. And they're like at the five. And Garrett Nussmeyer has the cleanest pocket ever. And he just like tries to, you know when Aaron Rogers will just like throw, but just drift backward for no reason? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Garrett Nussmeier does that. Because it looks cool and feels all. Yeah. He does that all the time when there's no pressure. But he doesn't have a good arm. So it just almost gets intercepted. This happens all

the time. So Garrett Nussmeyer, he's like a coach. His dad is the offensive coordinator for the Saints. Watching him, you'd never know it. Like he's clearly smart, but he's, Fundamentals are like shot. He is shockingly more like not like coach's son, more like my dad is the coach. I won't get benched. And he's trying to like do cool shit and look cool. But like I'm amazed at how. That's a really good point you make.

My dad's the coach so I won't get benched is like basically in how he plays. And he that was actually. But he does play that way. And I can't believe that the like arrogance of like he of this arm talent that he doesn't actually have. and it shows up in big moments that he clearly doesn't have like he doesn't step into passes he steps back what's the what's the what is that meme that it's like put the guys on put put the team on your shoulder it's like the video game meme where the guy just goes crazy right jenkins i don't know

this is like you know the leroy jenkin or whatever leroy jenkins yeah that that's like sometimes what he feels like he's doing in games it's like okay man here's the play we're going to hand it off and we're going to get four yards in the first down and then he calls an audible and throws like a horrific pick. He just dicks around a lot. And here's the thing. I do think I think Nussmire is clearly a smart player

in the sense that like his dad's a coach and he clearly gets the game. I think Garrett Nussmeyer was born to be a backup quarterback. I think that he's going to be a backup quarterback for a long time. And I think he's going to have a podcast in 232. A hundred percent. Yeah. He'll be on,

he'll replace Matt Castle on his podcast or whatever. And Garrett Nussmeyer, he's going to have a decade long career. He'll have a lot of stories between his dad and him. He's going to be. great at preparing other guys to play on Sunday and he'll make a couple spot starts and he'll be like a Case Keenham or a Colt McCoy and he'll be like oh that guy's kind of good should he play no and I bet maybe he'll start for the Browns one year but like overall Drew Locke he's got some Drew lock to him yeah he'll take

hits like he's a good backup quarterback like he's smart but he who was that Chargers backup there was a backup that everybody loved who is who would bounce around and was seen old Volt tech or something what was it well Billy Bullick was a kicker Volick. No. Wasn't there a Chargers backup for a while that everybody was like is the best backup in the world? Talk about Charlie Wivers. Rivers played like East 20 years. Not Eastern Stick. I don't know. I'm not going to remember it.

You think about like Matt Schaub and the Texans? Or he was like the Falcons backup. No. I don't know. I'll figure it out. I think you're thinking of Billy Volick. I'm not. Who did I just, you're right. Why did I confuse Billy Volick with a kicker? Who's the kicker? I don't know. Long time Chargers backup. Craig, that's you. You were the long time. Yeah, you're the backup for the kicker. You were the quarter. You were the charges.

Oh, my God. You're right. I'm the beloved backup. There we go. I forgot about Ringer Fantasy lore. No, it was fucking. Chase Daniel? Chase Daniel.

He has a podcast. Yeah, he does have a podcast. Nussmeyer is going to have a great podcast. We'll do some hunting on it. It's good. And the other weird similarity between Tye Simpson and Garrett Nussmeyer is that their dads are coaches. Obviously, you know, Bama, LSU, didn't transfer,

stayed there for a long time behind two different quarterbacks. you know, Jane Daniels obviously was starting for Nussmeyer. I think the other weird similarities, they're both, if they end up being good, we'll look back at, well, they were pretty hurt last year, and you actually had to, like, really take a leap of faith that it greatly affected their play. Because Nussmire with this abdominal injury,

Ty Simpson, again, basically had, after Halloween, when Ty Simpson is back, like half the touchdowns, twice the picks, way worse completion percentage. And Nussmire basically says this whole year. He says, Nussmire said he didn't actually know what was wrong with until the season ended in January.

Like between the scene. The flip side is just also sounds like some shit an agent might tell you to say right before the draft if you kind of sucked. So it's tough to know. This whole draft is fascinating

because you can make the case that all these quarterbacks we're going to talk about today. The big... It's funny because Ty Simpson, Garrett Nussmeyer, Carson, Beck, and Drew Aller all at one point were seen as maybe the number one overall pick in the draft.

Right, right. And Mendoza wasn't. And it's funny that, you know, I mean, Ty Simpson, was the best quarterback in college football for the first half of this season. Garrett Nussmeyer,

24, I was like, is this guy the best quarterback in the draft? Drew Aller, when he was kind of rising, was like the physical tools on this guy before he got hurt, it was like, is he the number one overall pick? And then Carson Beck, before he kind of collapsed,

there were moments when people thought he would. This is why, again, this is why experience matters. This is why a sample size has to be large enough to see who they really are. So many times, so many times, People get really excited about really small samples.

And, you know, that was like last year with Nuss Meyer. People thought he might be a top 10 pick. And then things fell apart this year. Ty Simpson for a while in October or whatever was going to be the top quarterback taken and then things fell apart. Turns out like having a long timeline where players are performing at a high level. By the way, Mendoza just got better and better over time. That's exactly what you're looking for.

You know, and Hifetz brought up what Mendoza was doing at Cal. It's like, yeah, he got. better as he went along. He improved. That's what you're looking for. You're not looking for someone who had like three or four games where they looked awesome because you could kind of like do that with a lot of guys. And then they totally fell apart. The decision making wasn't there. Football's already a small sample of sport where, you know, a handful of plays have outsized difference in how we view players and how games are won or lost.

So I don't know. To me, that's that that's the biggest argument you can make is why experience matters with with college quarterbacks coming at the NFL. We'll move off Nussmeier. His. Dad is the offensive coordinator for the Saints currently, correct? Mm-hmm. Yes. His dad, Doug Nussmeyer, was the quarterback's coach for Dallas with McCarthy, so I'm like, I'm a little, I wonder if this dealer is going to take this guy in the third round.

I can tell you this Steelers is going to take. I think that would be exciting if they did, Greg. You think they're going to take Drew Aller? I think they're going to take Drew Aller. I'm not even kidding. Mike McCarthy said a couple weeks ago, he was like, we want a quarterback. He was talking about Farr, and there's no, the kind of quarterback he wants, big hands, tall, like, can throw in the wind.

Yeah. Because Nuss Meyer is just drafting Kenny Pickett again. And I don't disagree. They have like a thousand third round picks, the Steelers as well. I think, should we just do Drew Aller now? Yeah, sure. Let's do Drew Aller. Penn State, we'll flip the card right now.

D.K. Heads, your form, tails you're against him. This card. It's tails. High fits. Pro Drew Aller. Let's do it. You're Mike McCarthy's right-hand man.

You're a scout. Why are we into Drew Aller? because he has everything you can't teach. Drew Aller's like 6-6. He's like, what, 2-30? He looks, he's the prototype

what you want a quarterback to look, throw like everything. Honestly, purely just aesthetically, I think Drew Aller's, the way his ball comes off his hand, it looks like Justin Herbert. Like, Drew Aller probably could step in the NFL day one

and have like a top six arm, not the elasticity of Mahomes or anything, but just he can throw it as far as Justin Herbert with this, the speed at which his ball can go from the opposite hash to the sideline. It's, it is the 1% of the 1%. the pocket mobility is fine, but it's good enough, and that what Drew Aller needs is better coaching than James Franklin,

how much did Pennsylvania, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania have to pay to get rid of James Franklin? Like, Penn State was a mess. Drew, Dr. Eller, he broke his ankle midway, or really like a third of the way through the season, so he didn't get the improvement of a friend of Mendoza. If Mendoza had had an injury and missed the rest of the season from a third of the way on, we probably wouldn't be so confident he was the number one pick. Aller was kind of cut off before he could really have that upward trajectory. The program was a mess.

But Drew Ler is the exact kind of guy. that will work in what McCarthy came from, which is like this Packers, Niners, like developmental quarterback world, where yeah, you should take a quarterback in the third or fourth round, let them marinate for a couple of years since you get a Matt Hasselback, you get these other guys. Allers upside is so much higher than these other people

because of the arm strength, the frame and everything. And he just needs like, Mike McCarthy just needs to teach him the NFL game. Had two good years at Penn State before he got hurt. When he break his ankle, what did he do this year, foot? He broke his, he fractured his ankle, so he didn't get to the combine, season, yeah, he missed all that. stuff, which is too bad.

DK, dump cold water all over that. You know how Happy Gilmore wants to be a pro hockey player, but he can't skate? It's kind of like it reminds me of Drew Aller who...

But my God, what a shot. What a shot. He has... His accuracy sucks. That's the problem, man. That is a big, big problem. His mechanics are tough, and he's all over the place, scattershot with his accuracy. That would be a lot.

my biggest worry is like you can just get into the NFL and you're Joe Milton got a great arm can throw the ball a fucking thousand yards but just not going to end up where you want and that is obviously a massive massive problem so I look honestly I would be willing to kind of take a take a risk on this guy somewhere in the middle around like third round fourth round and kind of trying to develop it because yes he has great traits and there has been moments where you're like oh this guy could be something really special there was times where I was watching him obviously this is not like a really special player but he reminds me so much of Joe Flacco just the way he moves and the way he throws, you know,

he pushes the ball down the field really aggressively. He gives his, he gives his receivers a chance. I could see a world like five years down the line where Jew Oller is kind of like a hired gun like Joe Flacco. She mean first round pick 20 year career Super Bowl champion Joe Flacco? No, like current Joe Flacco where it's like he gives his his fantasy players a chance to do good stuff, but he's not actually like helping you win games kind of deal. like a Jemis maybe or something like that. So I don't know.

I do think the traits are certainly there. But you have to kind of, you're going to have to work on it a while, get his mechanics in order, get his footwork in order. How bad are they? Like I want you to like, how bad are his mechanics?

It's just kind of, it's just the ball comes off. If he doesn't have his feet set, God knows what's happening is the problem. So, and look, you can't really just sit back in the pocket in the NFL. and like set your feet and throw the ball. If that was like flag football where you just sitting there doing nothing and just

driving the ball down the field, he might be really good at it. But when he has to move, things fall apart. You know who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn? Josh Allen. You know? Sure. I mean, that's the best argument you can make. That is a one in a thousand player.

But sure, go for it. Step right up. One great comedian inspires 10,000 bad ones. No, the Happy Gilmore thing hits a little too much with the not skating. It's just one problem, happy. You're not any good. Drew Aller. Right up.

Face the football throwing guy. It is, you know what it's a lot like? It's March Madness. The Yukon obviously just had the run to the finals and the press, especially all these games at the end where Yukon, when the ball goes in and the guy who gets it's like a power forward who really shouldn't be like ball handling past, you know, half court. And he like kind of has to figure out what to do with. it that kind of does remind me a little bit of Drew Aller sometimes where it's like he has the

build of a quarterback but when the balls in a stand it doesn't look like a point guard like it doesn't look like a ball helmet like it doesn't know like the distribution the accuracy of it is doubt but I do think he's cat he's the thirst trap for the mike McCarthy generation of like Sean Payton McCarthy generation of wow I'll just teach this guy how to play yeah he's a four or five star he was the number one quarterback in the country Ohio Mr. Football I'm sorry that he was Somebody's going to take a bet on this guy. Sorry he's not a nepo baby like Garrett Nussmeyer's dad's at NFL office coordinator. Sorry he has to work for something.

Yeah. He could get benched if he turns the ball over. Dane Brugler, who has a great, honestly, an absolutely absurd document. It's a 600-page scouting report. He's played in the NFL called The Beast at the Athletic. Dan Bruehler had this note that actually Drew Aller's dad was the football coach from growing up. And you know what? He took him away from quarterback because he didn't want any accusation.

and nepotism. So he held drowler away from being a quarterback till it was just so overwhelmingly talented in the gaps. He's like, this guy's 6'5, but I don't know what else he's going to play. He's a quarterbacker, an undersized wing in basketball. This guy, I think he's listed at 6'5. There was times I was like, I think he might be too tall.

He's too tall. He's too likely. Like Mike Lennon. Yeah. Like Brian Mallet or something where it's like you're so tall, it's easier to bat your passes down because everyone can just see where you're throwing because you're so goddamn tall.

There were moments, dude. The last season, the one before this one, like, he would uncork some balls and you were like, this guy has fucking everything I want. You put on the highlight, Craig, if the Steelers draft your Aller and you just watch his highlights and nothing else, you're going to be like, holy shit, we're going to, like, we have the next Justin Herbert. He has a fantastic highlight reel. Preseason football is going to be electric.

Yeah, $3 is going to be preseason king. Sometimes you just need something different. You know, we went from Kenny Pickett. I don't need Garrett Nussmeyer or Ty Simpson. I want some freak who could throw the ball 70 yards and maybe Mike McCarthy can make it work. All right, this is a good transition then into. Carson Beck is kind of the last guy in this group.

So from Miami by way of Georgia. He's the opposite of Ty Simpson. He started over 40 games for multiple teams. We'll flip the card here. Heads for Carson Beck for D.K. Tails against. Oh, it went into the side crevice of the chair. No whamies, no whamies, no whamies, no wammies.

No whamys. No amy's. No, amy's. It's heads. All right. D.K., you're pro Carson Beck here. So why don't you lead us off?

I mean, you set the stage well. He's a very experienced starter. He has prototypical size. He's a good army. He can push the ball down the field. He's big. Six, five, two-30. Frame, experience, and big games.

Good arm. I think there's tools you can work with here. And to me, that is why I would be willing to take a bet on this guy in the middle. in the middle rounds. I'm not taking him super high. When he plays in rhythm, when he gets the ball out, when he hits his back foot,

you can really see it with this guy where you're like, I think this guy could be something in the NFL just with the right development and the right system. He has some experience under center. Like, again, the experience matters.

The reps in big games matter. So to me, that was why I would, you know, I would be willing to take a bed on this guy. He gets outside of the pocket. He keeps his eyes downfield. He doesn't drop his eyes immediately.

There's definitely some moments. Again, it's moments. there's some highs and lows, but there's moments where you're like, this guy could be a starter in the NFL. Like the game losing interception at the championship on the lineup.

I mean, that was a tough, it was an ick to end the season. Like, that's the taste in your mouth that he left. Is that underthrown ball? First down. Sure.

Let's not judge a guy by one throw. He was in the big game because they beat some good teams. You know what I mean? And so, again, I'm not advocating that he'd be a first round pick, but the size, the arm, the experience.

This is the guy in the middle round. I probably would want to take a risk on. Well, let's start with the arm. Unless the defense doesn't rest here, the offense, I guess is really you are. Look, Tommy John is fucking routine at this point. So I'm glad you mentioned that. Showing it looks great. People get two Tommy John.

So let's start here. Carson Beck will be the first player ever drafted to have had the kind of surgical UCL repair that he got. No one's ever been drafted. No, it's true. worrying about an ACL. It was, but no one's ever, he literally no player with this surgery had in his elbow has ever been drafted. He's the first one.

Brock because it's not a football injury. Yeah, kind of work out with that. It's not like the first person to have Tommy John surgery. No, I'm just saying. If MLB pitchers can handle it, I think it's okay. So I think my nutshell with Carson Beck is he's not talented enough to be a starter, but he's not a good enough teammate to be a backup quarterback. So what's he going to be in the NFL?

Why is he, why isn't he good enough teammate? I mean, Georgia didn't want him back. I think this has been plaguing the entire time. His body language issues, I mean, Georgia could have had him back or Gunner Stockton. and Carson Beck's obviously more talented and they chose not to have Carson Beck come back. He wasn't really welcome at Georgia. There is a bunch of stuff.

I mean, look, there... And got Miami to the championship game. Yeah, and then he got hurt in that game. And he played hurt. But, I mean, look, there's been a lot of Snapchats that he's sent that have circulated the internet, but also issues he's thrown teammates under the bus, like in press conferences, even in the middle of the Miami season.

Kind of a weird-looking guy? Bad face? I don't know. You said it, not me. Yeah. We're judging on face cards now? God, brutal. I don't know.

But in all seriousness, quarterback is a leader, and like he was throwing a lot of teammates under the bus that rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. Like his demeanor, his body language, like Georgia did not want him back as a teammate. And I'm all seriousness, being a backup quarterback, it's one third your ability to do the job or half, but it's also, can you be with the starting quarterback all the time and help them improve? And Carson Beck's not necessarily perceived to be mature, to be a great prepper and all these things.

But I think it's telling him that George didn't want him back. Now, maybe Miami can try to rehabilitate his image, but like, I don't know if he has that kind of value as a backup quarterback. And also, yeah, for a guy as big as him, he should have probably better arm strength, but the elbow was an issue. So this is probably not the kind of guy you want to take a better. I could see him being a decent starter at times, but he is not really the kind of guy that settles into having value on your team, honestly. This is the humbled former kind of high prospect hype guy. Spencer Rattler. Exactly. I was just going to say, Spencer Rattler.

Which, again, I don't know if that's necessarily what you want to hear. Honestly, yeah, I'll give you that, sure. Spencer Rattler, I'll give you that comp. And that's kind of the point. What's his value to Tyler Shuck right now? I do think just, you know, regardless of the actual player, it is a very interesting point in terms of when we're talking about mid-round quarterback prospects, guys that are going to have to be backups for a while. It is an interesting point that you make where you have to have to have. sort of the mentality of a backup.

It's kind of like talking about, you know, fourth or third or fourth round receiver who's gonna come in and be a wide receiver five on your team. You have to be able to play special teams or else you're not going to be active on game day. If you're not playing special teams, you just have a very narrow path to being on the field and starting. And so I think there's some similarities there

where he's not willing to play special teams. It's like, you know, figuratively, where if he's not willing to be what they're looking for as a backup quarterback, then that could be problems. But I do think, you know, the size, arm strength, the way he goes through his progressions, the, I don't know, maybe teams of view that he's matured in this last year, that'll probably be different from team to team.

But yeah, it's going to be interesting to see where he goes. I could see him go a little earlier than people think. He's a confident Snapchatter. I'll give you that. Yeah. Honestly, the long range of the stuff. have the mentality of a backup quarterback on Snapchat. No, he does not.

These Snapchat's like a, like a, like a hall famer. What is, I don't know that story. What's the Snapchat thing? Oh, it's, so it's this thing. He sends pictures of his dick to people on Snapchat. Oh, okay. So yeah. So derogatory.

Well, I don't know. Eye is in the, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, right? Are we against sending a photo of your junk to a woman who's interested in it? Is that bad? Well, I think the, I think the interest is the curious part. I think the interest is the part up for debate. Is that right? What?

Is that right? Was, were these two interested suitors or no? Who's to say? Who's to say? Multiple have leaked, so. Sure. That's fair. Multiple different people?

So the George Bush meme is like, sir, a second Snapchat has. A second Snapchat referring to your package has been released. Confident Snapchatter. D.K. Yeah. Outside of me. Get that on your badge and NFL. draft.the reared.com.

Yeah. DK. Irrational Snapchat conference. Irrational Snapchat confidence. It's honestly pretty good. It's like the wide receivers, do they have a phone case or not? I don't want to know what kind of Snapchat's quarterbacks are sending.

D.K., I'll ask you this next if it's. Let's remove Mendoza. Out of Ty Sims and Garrett Nussmeier, Drew Aller, and Carson Beck. Which quarterback would you prefer to take a shot on at their value, where you think they will go in the So Ty Simpson will think it's like a fringe first second rounder, Nussmeyer, Beck and Al will be lower than that. So at their value where they're going in the draft, who would you want to take a shot on the most?

For me, it's Nussmire. Why? I just think the level of polish that he has, I know that he makes some weird decisions, but I think you can coach that out of him at some point. His dad can get that out of him on the same. Right, sure. Maybe he lands in New Orleans, who knows.

but I think just the gamer attitude, the way that he plays. And again, we were talking about this guy as like a first round pick last year. And then he decided to go back. Well, all these guys were. Right. But I just liked his tape the most. I think, you know, just the way that he was ripping passes down the seam. I want a guy who's going to rip it.

And what I ask at their value, where do you see Garrett going? Like, where are you factoring in? Are you saying like he's going to be a third, fourth rounder? Probably, yeah. Yeah. Who's your side fits? I would have a few different answers. I think if there's one of these quarterbacks

that's most likely to be on your fantasy team like this season in 2026, other than Fernando Mendoza, I'd say Ty Simpson, because he's actually pretty fast and he can run. And the odds of Ty Simpson getting a start for like the Cardinals this year, if he ends up in the second round or late first, like I actually could see Ty Simpson

having a good enough game where he runs, but if it's like a guy's going to make a start in a couple of years and which guy do you think could go four and O for one month and two years from now, I think the highest floor person for that is probably Garrett Nussmeyer, because I think he's the one,

I think we'll have a backup quarterback career and could have high floor. But if it's like, we're talking about ceiling and... Let's say you're a team with an older quarterback and you want the next guy who two years from now could step in and be a surprise third, fourth rounder who is a perennial start in the league.

So I think it would be Drew Aller for Penn State. Honestly, can I tell you my thirst trap? And this is like not going to work, but the guy you throw a dart at. Dude, Taylin Green from Arkansas is like the kind of player that like I like it should be a go home to your wife kind of guy

and I just keep watching he would be your pick for long term starter you'd pick him over all the other guys no he's the one that won't work but I think I could fix him like like irrational objectively he's not going to work out in the NFL and you shouldn't take him

but to your question of who would I take I just like I can't look at a player it's a disease I can't look at a player like Talin Green and not want to have him on my roster because he's basically like thinner Anthony Ridge Like, Talen Green is a, imagine if Anthony Richardson was a four-year starter instead of one half a year starter, but he went in the fourth round.

Like Tailing Green is six foot six, two hundred and thirty-five pounds. Craig, he ran a four-three-six, four-year dash. That's what Jeremiah Love ran. Tailing Green had the fastest 40-yard dash of any quarterback ever in the combine, faster than Robert Griffin the third. And he had the longest vertical jump and the longest broad jump. He literally beat all his biggest, furthest jump, the highest jump, and the fastest 40 for any quarterback ever. and he beats D.K.'s little starts thing. He had like, what, 35 starts or something in college?

My little start thing. Your little arbitrary stat that you created to support your argument. Yeah, I mean, he was like basically a four-year starter from Boise through Arkansas, correct? And I, look, again, he's probably, Tailing Green, yeah, three years of Boise State, two years in Arkansas, he started four years. He's going in the fourth round despite those straits because can he skate? I don't know. Kenny play quarterback

The Kenny skate thing I think it's so true with Carson's back Where the accuracy comes and goes Drew Aller the accuracy comes and goes Is it Aller or Aller by the hour? Drew Aller Benzger But with Nussmeyer

I'm like I know he's accurate It's just the decision making sometimes Is a little wonky And I think we can coach that out of him But having a guy who can throw accurately Pretty consistently to me is what separates Nussmeier So

But I thought you were going to say Cole Peyton. It's, I thought that was, yeah, Colpitton's funny because he's North Dakota State one year starter lefty. He basically was their running back for her

I think Cole a year or two. Yeah, he could be like Tayson Hill all over again. Like he could be the new Taysam Hill and take hits. He's physically, he could carry the way. He could do kind of anything.

He's like a, I don't know, Col Payton feels like a C plus or B minus so like everything you could do. Like I actually could see him doing special teams like Taseem Hill style.

He's just a fun player. Tailing Green is just a disease. I just like, there's a quarterback who's who runs a 436 and is a cannon. And I'm like, I don't know, can't you just hire someone to like, take, just go with him all the time. But I guess that's, I'm ducking out of your question.

I think Ty Simpson, if he goes to the Niners, who do you want them to draft in the third round who could be the next 10 year starter for the Steelers? Who would you pick? I think Nussmeyer is more likely to be a starting quarterback. But I think Dr. Aller, if he became a quarterback, would be better. But Nussmeyer is more likely to do it because I do think he actually understands

the game at an NFL level and he would just be an average player but he could be it. He could be an average he has a higher chance to being average. Aller has a lower chance to make it but has a higher ceiling. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. What's your verdict, Craig? Who speaks to you in this group outside of Mendoza? I would agree with both of them.

Who are you drawn to? Yeah. I'm drawn to Drew Aller. Yeah. The siren song. It's just the money. old jeans thing. It's like a great ass on this prospect. I just kind of am like, the idea of taking like Ty Simpson or Garrett Nussmeyer to me is so low floor. I mean low ceiling. Right. And I'm not interested in that. Like you want to take your shots, you know? And if Drew Aller sucks and you, you just take another one. I don't need to be like that. Oh, he's, he's good enough. We won seven games. Oh, yeah, he's limited. But you could maybe win with him. I don't,

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A lot of news we could get to, but maybe won't. But maybe we'll start with Dexter Lawrence. Yeah, that's a good way to put it. There's other things that we could talk about that we have chosen to not. So yeah, the biggest news of the week that's dominating every group chat about about about about. about football this week. Dexter Lawrence requested a trade from the Giants, right?

That's what everyone's talking about. I'm biased because I'm a Giants fan, but basically I don't think Dexter Lawrence actually wants a trade. I think he wants more money because he was like probably a top two defensive tackle a couple years ago and but he's now like the 12th highest paid guy this season.

He's behind like, I mean, Duran Payne from Washington is going to make more money than Dexter Lawrence. And Dexter Lawrence did have issues the last couple years. He had an elbow issue. I think he was not trying as hard as he could last year. But my short answer is like the Giants should not trade Dexter Lawrence. He's only 28 years old. And next gen stats at this stat that Kevin Clark posted during the

championship games, the team, the NFL teams that made the final four, like literally the final four NFL teams, Seahawks, Rams, Patriots, and Broncos, literally were the top four teams in just how many quarterback pressures their their starting defensive tackles at. Like if you rank every team by how many times their starting defensive tackles, pressure the quarterback. The final, the best four teams were the final four teams.

So the idea that then combined, so the interior pressure. So then Warren Sharp had this stat that Dexter Lawrence is three times as many pressures as a nose tackle as the second place guy over the last five years.

Literally he is, Dexter Lawrence basically has as many nose tackle pressures as the second, third and fourth guy combined in the last four years. I mean, in 2024, we were talking about Dexter Lawrence

like he was one of the best players in the NFL. Yeah, why would you trade? Like, he's the only guy in the NFL. that can basically get a pressure a quarter as a nose tackle. Why the fuck would you trade them? That's my rant.

We're having a real moment right now for nose tackles. Defensive tackles are shining brighter than they've ever shined. This is why I'm interested in what you think, D.K., about Cade and McDonald, the Ohio State guy, Peter Woods from Clemson. Because all it is, it's simple. It's the whole too high safety thing. It's not really about two high guys. It's that you used to have to fit the run with seven people.

Right. It's a math problem. Yeah, and you had a four for passes. And now it's like the Seahawks and other, teams like can you fit the room six people and a five and well you probably need a giant fucking no stuff people you need bigger then robin robert you need larger people or whatever yeah we're going to need a bigger boat yeah um yeah i mean i think defensive tackles have always kind of been thought of as really important but it does come and go there's a pendulum swing here and

i think they're starting to the people are starting to see again like the trench it's like it's like every year we talk about how important it is for offensive alignment it's like you really do need guys that are going to keep a pocket clean. And that's alternatively, like guys that can collapse the pocket or just get quarterbacks uncomfortable. It's incredibly, incredibly important. So, yeah, I don't know, like, you know, Kate McDonald's definitely really interesting. He didn't do a ton as a pass rusher, but I think he has some movement skills to maybe

be better or maybe do more as a pro. Yeah, I don't, I, what, didn't a hardball come out and say something like every player's tradable? Well, he said that because. playing hardball. Which is the right answer. I mean, every player is tradable.

I mean, Tom Brady left the Patriots like anything, like not that he was traded, but every player is, their job is quite literally to take calls, but I think they're just going to pay him. Okay. Any other football stuff you guys want to hit?

On the show. No. Okay. Great. Yeah, no. Okay. I want to shout out our March Madness winner. Yash, I don't just say.

It's YASH. He had 1690 points in March Madness. Yash had the entire, hell of a bracket. Yash had the entire lead eight, correct. The entire Final Four correct, N-A-N-Mishington over Yukon in the final. Wow.

It was, yeah, 99.9th percent on Aspian. What does he win? Hifitz? He wins, ringer merch that matches whatever size that Yash will email me in. So Yash, email the ringer fantasy football Gmail and then also just give proof that you're actually Yash and

D. K.K. will send you a game worn ringer shirt. Yeah. From a pod worn, yeah. Like a live show worn. Shirt shirt. That's good. It's like this, it's like the Sydney, bar of soap, but it's a little bit less cool.

The bath water? Yeah. Should we review that or do they run out? I think they ran out rather quickly. They ran out like immediately. Unfortunately, everyone's weird. The website crashed. Yeah.

Unfortunately, a lot of people are sick of. A lot of freaks out there. Yeah. I want to talk about the Masters, but first, D.K., you have mentioned us since we did the show, this Roman Anthony's eight hop throw to home like seven times, the Red Sox left fielder. I don't know a lot about baseball, but I'm obsessed with this. The guy, he's a big time prospect for the Red Sox who can't throw. He can't throw a baseball.

It's been multiple times where like the game is on the line and he get, there's like single and he has to throw a guy out at home plate. And he doesn't even get in the fucking zip code. I mean, he eight hopped. He basically rolled the ball to the catcher from like shallow right field. Sorry, left field. Well, there was another one too where he was trying to hit the cutoff man on the way. He couldn't even get close to the cutoff.

Dude, it is unbelievable. I could throw it better. I genuinely believe from shallow left field, I could throw it better than he did. He rolled the ball. He rolled it. It was one of the worst throws of everything. You know, it was bad.

He had a, Roman Anthony had a really bad one early in, or like late in March early in the season. But at least that one was like, it was such a bang, bang play you to like do something really fast that could look dumb. The one the other day, I think it was on Easter Monday. The one,

that one was so much time. Yeah. He had so much time. And he just, it was like one of the worst throws of ever seen. He threw it to a bullpen. or not the bullfin the bench

yeah the dugout basically yeah it's pretty hilarious things aren't going well for the Red Sox I understand so let's not pile on But it's very funny It's fine It's been a tough couple of days for Boston sports Look the matters aren't exactly coming out of the gates hot

So I can't really talk But my big dumper He's really he's like 20Ks already Not going great for him He's dumping He is I went to the San Francisco Giants game last night. Great game.

How was it? Who did they play? Philly's. That park is like the Pirates Park in Pittsburgh where it's like it's, they just built it to have an incredible view. Right on the water. Right on the water. Beautiful park.

Or it's called Oracle Park now. When I grew up, it was AT&T. Oh, I always forget that you're from the Bay. Right. That's cool. In my hometown, even though I did not grow up in San Francisco. But you grew up an A's fan. I did.

Yeah. Yankees great one of the A who are no longer in the bay. Yeah, right. We don't talk about athletics. They're just playing in a A's are playing at a AAA baseball stadium indefinitely because they just thought they could finish a baseball stadium on the Vegas strip really fast and then they couldn't. It was just literally ran out in Oakland and John Fisher had just moved the team to Sacramento

because there's nothing else to do. The AAA baseball team. The owner, the heir to the gap thrown, which is why I won't buy any gap. We're not doing a gap ads. No. Yeah. Did you guys, did you guys see Patrick Reed's Starbucks order? No, but I hate, he's the most hateable athlete in golf.

Well, it's about to get worse because his Starbucks order is a Trenta strawberry Asi refresher with no water and no inclusions. Oh, sorry. Can you say that again? Trent, Trenta strawberry. 30 ounce? So covicular, mogs, an ASU frat leader. I need a translator.

30 ounces of strawberry ascei refresher, no water, which means I believe he's literally drinking 32 ounces of just strawberry concentrate. 32 ounces of strawberry concentrate. I have strawberry concentrate

because he has no water. There's no water at it. So it's just the concentrate. I saw him drinking. It's fucking huge. And no inclusions, which I guess means like no sugar. Let's drink this on the next episode.

We should bring these to the next episode. That or a smelling saw, I'm not sure which would rev you up more, but that's what he drinks. Well, that drinks sounds horrific. Yeah. Yeah, these drinks sucks. I had a Camacino this morning. It was lovely. Craig, look at you.

He only drinks coffee when he's on the road. I kind of do. It's fun. It's your dessert. Yeah. Can I, I have to tell you guys, I have a few more. I also, I was with Bill and Chris at a coffee shop and I didn't want to order a macho latte in front of him because I feel like they would make fun of me. Yeah, that's the real answer comes out.

Oh, you got, you got. shamed out of ordering your drink. I got order mugged. Yeah. Shamed by your macho. He's like, I don't want this to be content. That's a new thing. We spent like a year.

We spent a year being like, are you ashamed of machi? He's like, no. And then like push comes to show. He won't order it for the bill. I will tell the thousands and thousands of people that listen to this show that I drink macho, but I won't know bill. Like anybody on earth. I'm like, I want to order a macho latte for the bill and Chris.

Maybe not. One other thing I have to take is with the masters. I've been thinking about for a long time. And I haven't, the Masters menus we prepared for, but I didn't want to prepare you for this. So Lucas Ober, who's a great golfer, went on, I think, four plays podcast. I saw this video that on Instagram.

And he was explaining that the grill room at the Masters is unlike any other restaurant in the world. In the grill room at Augusta National, there are no menus. You sit down. Oh. The waiter comes up and says, what do you want? No way.

and you just anything you can think of they will make you it's like even better than phoga chow it's like yeah it's like the room of requirement for a freaking isn't that isn't why is that so radical i went i went to a fancy dinner in l.a one time and i was with people who are much more successful than me and it was a similar scenario where the waiter asked me what i wanted and and i like ordered a steak and then it was

like, what do you want for your sides? And I said, what available sides do you have? And he was like, well, just like, what do you want? And I was like, I mean, like this type of potato or this type of vegetable. He's like, yeah, we can do that. It's kind of intimidating. It is. I need to be told what to do, you know?

I need a limited set of things I could want and I'll pick one of those. What do I want? You tell me what's available. You want me to think about what I want right now? That's crazy. So you just sit down and you're like, um, chicken parm. I want an orzo salad on the side. and I want a nice crisp white wine

and they're like, yep, no problem. Yeah. Must be nice. The Masters really does. They haven't figured out. They're like one of the only remaining things that's just doing it the right way. It's fucking crazy.

No phones. Food is super affordable. They have the app for the Masters is like the best app that anyone has. It's class. Have you been? Have you been to the Masters? No.

I would like to go. I apply every year. But I... In case someone sent this minute mark to Bill so that I could hear Craig admitting he wouldn't order a matcha, uh, Bill,

please, please bring us to the Masters, wouldn't you? But please. Please. Let's see here. Okay, can I read you? All right,

a couple emails. We'll get out of here. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, a lot of people emailed this in. First of all, email's at ringer fancy football at e-mail.com. Man, we talked,

we were joking about A.J. Brown being nicknamed Swole Batman. Mm-hmm. God. All these Eagles fans are like, yeah. So, first of all,

Deonté Lee, or ringer colleague texted me. He was like, AJ Brown's called Swole Batman because, and Devante Smith is skinny Batman because neither one wanted to be Robin. So they actually called on that. Yeah, yeah.

That's good. Why is it? I guess people are obsessed with Batman, but I'm like, why don't you just pick a different superhero where there's not a side to do. People love Batman. I think Batman and the Joker.

It's funny. Batman doesn't have any superpowers, you know? I think that's why it's just a guy. It's just a guy trying to save a city. Who's just a guy of nothing special about him. He's just trying to save a city. Yeah, he's, I mean, he's kind of nepo, you know?

Yeah. He's a good nepo. Kind of. He is nepo. Batman's like, if we did, we should do the nepo draft this summer. Batman's a top nepo. But is it nepo though? If he, because he's not like his parents.

He's like a trust fund, baby. He's just rich. He's just rich. He's just rich. Just because your parents are rich doesn't mean you're nepo. No. That is different things. Like David Ellison,

Neppo. Yeah, yeah. But like. If your dad's the guarantor and your $110 billion dollar purchase, then you're, that's, That's a little nepo. Not judging. I would do the same.

I get it. I would also buy the rights to Batman if I had $200 billion. I would buy Paramount if my dad had $100 billion. Shit, Joe Burroughs, $200 million. He tried to buy the Batmobile. I mean, if you had $200 billion, it's just buy Batman. Who do you think is the set? Is it Spider-Man is the easy number two?

No one kids to talk about Superman. Superman is just like a different generation. Like, Superman means nothing to people I think under 40. Superman is like just like a mid-1900s America mentality. Like, it's just like a different time, like what he represented. Principles and bullshit. Yeah. Honor code.

Don't let anybody die. Although Batman doesn't let it. Batman doesn't kill people. Do you remember the funnier dive sketch about Batman? He doesn't, but do you remember the funnier die sketch about him being like, they're not dead? They're sleeping. Yeah. He's like, Batman, you've killed.

Holmes? Yeah, he's like, you've killed all these people. He's like, what are you talking? You threw him off a building. You think just because you didn't shoot him. He can't die. No, no, no, they're sleepy. Everyone in a fight gets very sleepy.

Those are so funny. It's so good Okay, one other thing So we were talking last week About the Bishop Sycamore Fake High School game Where the IMG Academy Play Bishop Sycamore

And they turned out to be a fake high school So Justin emailed in Justin Justin. Justin's breakfast was a Trader Jones Trader Joe's Hash Brown Patty Air Friday at 390 for 50 minutes With avocado and tied chili crisp on top It's pretty good

Those hash brown things are very good I gotta say you don't often see 390 You don't hear 390 lot. No, you don't. You do not hear three. You never hear three. You never have to cook something at three. No, there are no recipes out there that say cook this at three 90. I will say though, so bacon, I've been air-frying bacon. Bacon, the smoke points 400. So anything between 350 and 400 you could do. So three-90 is probably the tops I'd go on bacon. You know you're supposed to put water in there with bacon. Like in the little. Of course I knew that, but remind the listeners who may

not know why. I don't think that's obvious. But apparently if you put, if you're frying bacon and you add water in there. It helps even out the fat versus the, the, the meat. What do you mean in there? Like, with the bacon or underneath the bacon? With the bacon. Like, in there with it. Because it helps, like, steam it and it, and it cooks the bacon more evenly. Huh. Or you're not just like burning the meat and then the fat is super fatty. Still, it helps more evenly cook it. All right. Well, if Dave Chang still listen to this podcast, if you want to email in, tell us, does that make sense? Yeah. It's not on TikTok a while ago. Some Australian. I'll try that. Told me that.

So anyway, do you guys ever do that ever where you're like, someone told me and you're like, oh, no, that was just a TikTok I watched. Yeah, well, someone's like pretty much everything. Yeah, someone told me it. Anyway, so Justin writes Bishop Sycamore. Carnal Tate and Francis Maui, Noah played against Bishop Sycamore. They were not in the academy, as was Tyler Booker, but and Kate Tran Allen. So there's three players in this draft who beat the shit at Bishop Sycamore in that game. Just wanted to note that.

There was a documentary about it, which I never watched. The other one, sorry. You had to fall up on the ostrich thing. Obviously, it was the baseball player who did an eating contest versus an ostrich 100 years ago. Ping Bodie. Ping Bodie was the player, not the ostrich. Right. And he beat the, and he had a spaghetti eating contest.

12 places spaghetti or something. Yeah, and then the ostrich passed out in the spaghetti. But it was during spring training. This was set up by the Yankees owner. Listen to the last episode. It was crazy. Craig then you were talking about how if you had to pick an animal in like the serengetti basically to fight.

like you probably pick an ostrich because it's hard to kill other animals. Well, I wanted to find an animal that was the best fight. You know, something where I felt like it would be very close, but I could, I have the slight edge. So you could win. So Sam, whose breakfast was sausage egg biscuit says, boys, an ostrich would fold Craig like laundry. Ostriches can be lethal to humans. They can kill predators like lions up to 2,000 pounds per square inch of kicking. And they are, they can run 45 miles an hour and their sheet are, they basically, their talons are giant, giant chef knives.

The speed don't matter. I'm not running away from it. I'm facing it head on. It's running at you with its giant knife feet. Speed is not an issue. What about Gator Chris, that guy on Instagram? I was watching him. He kind of had a handle on it, you know?

I don't know if it was an emu or an ostrich. It was an emu. It was an emu who have sharper talents than an ostrich. So, apparently they're less dangerous than cassowaries I've learned the emos are. Ostriches are killing lions? Osterisers can kill lions. They're big. And again, they have feet.

Craig, you're fucked. they're like seven or eight feet tall they're big but it's all length too Durant proportions who sent this email Sam Sam said you get folded like laundry folded like a cheap

By an ostrich Sam are we factoring in once again That my mother's life is on the line I am reaching I have an adrenaline level Like human beings can lift up cars Never been seen before Maybe the ostrich is the wrong pick

Sam send me the animal that you think Is the closest closest battle that I might have a slight edge against. It is hard to pick it. They're all pretty hard to kill. I mean, yeah, we are not. All animals? Yeah.

Human beings are not real good fighters with our bare hands. DK., you would take out George in 10 minutes. George would be done. Yeah. He has really fucked up teeth. For some reason, his teeth just fall out. Your dog, right, your son. Don't worry everyone listening.

We've taken into the vet. Your dog's teeth just fall out. What are he talking about? His canines just fell out. So the two, there's two sharp teeth on top, you know, the long ones. Well, he's got to grow his adult teeth now, right? Right. Well, now is he like four years old?

Yeah. But don't worry. We've like looked into this. It doesn't appear to be anything serious, but his teeth fell out. Is he because George, he keeps eating his own shit? Is it related to that? Is he like eating rocks? Probably not helping.

Is he like dislodging his teeth by eating rocks? I do think he actually, we were told because he was a, you know, they found him. in Texas in a ditch with all of his brothers and sisters. He had a tough upbringing. But I think he was, they told us he was like eating rocks as a youngster. So it's probably not good for your dentals. But yeah, his teeth are among the most fucked up of any dog I've ever seen. Which might be a positive or a negative, but he doesn't have as many teeth as a normal dog.

So maybe that's why I win. Yeah, I was going to say, but you do think you could rock. It's like because he's just gumbing my arm, you know, and it doesn't hurt that bad. I mean, how much does he weigh? 30 pounds? 30 pounds? No, he weighs like 90. George, is he that big?

Yeah. Craig's not a dog guy. It comes out every now and then. 30 pounds like a fucking shih Tzu or something. I grew up with dogs my whole life. What kind of dog you have? I don't have a dog now, but I grew up with dogs. What kind of dog did you have?

A poodle, a dachin, a spaniel. Okay. Smaller dogs. Got it. Yeah. George is like 90 pounds. He's a great Pyrenees. For some reason, there is such a,

there is a real prejudice against small dogs, I've noticed. There's like, big dog people like don't acknowledge small dogs. It's kind. You're right. You know what? No, it's like bikers. It's like your dick is small, so you have a small dog. Well, it's people who have cars get mad at pedestrians and cyclists and pedestrians get mad at cyclists and cars,

but like they can kind of agree with this. And I think cat people and dog and big dog people can agree that they kind of get mad at small dog people. I know. I like all dogs. Yeah. Same. It's like all dogs matter, really. Yeah, sure. Sure, I'll say it. All dogs matter. I have another thing I have to bring up to you guys. I'm sorry. So we have a Discord.

Ringer Fantasy football on Discord. It's fun if you like Discord. There was an argument this week that I have to ask you guys about. So obviously NASA did this moon thing This moon thing That's how we're describing it Well, they did this moon thing They flew around the moon They saw the dark side of the moon Which we haven't really seen before

That's what I wanted to ask you about The way you just phrased it The question in Discord This was like the biggest argument Probably the Discord's ever had Can we say we went to the moon? So this is like Did you read the book that you listen to on tape?

Yes, it's like If you go around the moon And everyone's like, yeah, we went to the moon I don't think so They didn't land on the moon Well that's not what he's the phrase is we went to the moon Oh so it's a little bit vague Well let me ask you this

If you drive through Seattle Did you go to Seattle? Yeah No it's disingenuous Do you have to stop If I'd have to put your feet on TerraFerma Did you have a cup of coffee on the moon or not?

The argument This is like if you This is like we went if you went to somewhere for a layover and didn't leave the airport, did you go to that country? I mean... Yeah, you count that.

No, you fucking didn't. No, you didn't. The argument people made it the Discord was so good. They were like, well, if you go to the drive-threat at McDonald's, that counts. And they're like, no, no, no. This is like, if you go to the parking lot of a supermarket and then you sit in the parking lot

for an hour and then you drive home. And your wife's like, where were you? And you're like, I went to the supermarket. You might technically be right, but you are like kind of lying. So you don't think the astronaut can come home and he's talking to somebody at the coffee shop He can't say I went to the moon Well the astronaut can

But if that's fine, a little It's a little cheating but it's more like Saying we If you're like yeah we But if you're like talking to somebody You're like what's going on It's like yeah we went to the moon It's like but we did go to the moon

When he landed like it's not this You know here's why I ask When this happened like NASA we're going to the moon I was like we're landing on the moon It's like no no no Yeah And like, that's what you're saying to people is we're going to the,

we're going around the moon. So what should they say? We're flying near the moon. Well, the problem is that sucks. That's, we wouldn't watch that. I think because it's been so long since we even got close, you can probably say it.

But if this happened all the time, it wouldn't count. Right. It's been 50 years. We got close enough. Yeah. Because aren't we, we are actually trying to land on the moon

in 2028. Isn't that the plan? Who knows what the fucking plan is, man? Yeah, the moon base. It's coming up. Yeah. Got to get data centers on the moon. Someone said to me once that the best argument that aliens exist and are in their world as we, like, currently is that the first time Trump became president in 2017, like he got his first presidential briefing.

And the next day, he was like, we need the army in space. We need it right now. Space Force. Space Force immediately. He tweeted about space force today. Just a parentheses, space. Force exclamation point. I know, whatever classified documents they all see.

I feel like every single president's like, I'm going to tell everyone who killed JFK, and then they become president, and they read the file, and they're like, nah, never mind. Every single one's like, I'll do it. They read the file. Ooh, can't do that. Same with the aliens thing.

Yeah, nah. I'm not going to talk about it, actually. You guys can't handle the truth. Okay. We actually can't handle the truth. No, it's true. That's why we need menus. The real thing.

Yeah. Is why we need menus. Email us at ringer fantasy football at jimmu.com. We're going to do a mailbag. Email us mail back questions. Then I also email us your take purges ahead of time. We're going to do the take purge again. And I want you to email us your take purges.

Please put Take Purge in the email subject line for the take purge. And then we'll get to read the best take purges after our take purges. Can I ask a week of the draft? Take purge. Can I ask an extremely stupid question that might make everyone think I'm a moron, which probably already happened. but about the moon when we talk about the dark side of the moon.

And again, I'm not, I haven't done any research on this. I'm literally just thinking of it now. Is the moon just stationary? Like it doesn't spin? I believe the moon itself is not rotating, but the moon is moving around. Well, yes, obviously.

I know that. Okay, I'm not, yes. But when you say the dark side of the moon, it's just like a knuckle ball around the earth. It's a knuckle ball. Yes. Knuckle moon. Isn't that right?

Like, I believe. I mean, I assume so since you say the dark side of the moon, like we haven't seen it. Like, I would imagine it's always been the same side of the moon, which is just weird. I thought it would be spinning also while rotating the earth. It's a knuckleball. I think the same side of the moon is always facing the earth. It's a fucking knuckle ball. Yeah.

I think you're right. Knuckle buck. Yeah, because we flew behind it, which we've never done because. Yeah, yeah. Because Neil and the gang landed on the bright side of the moon. Right. Allegedly. Because of the radio.

you know what? Didn't in Apollo 13 they went around the dark side of the moon I thought? In the movie? Because they had to slingshot it. In the real world too, Craig. Well, they just did that now. I mean, they're using the gravitational pull.

Right, right. But I thought they did that when Apollo 13 messed up and they couldn't land on the moon. They had to do the slingshot to get them back around, send them back to Earth. I feel like they went on the dark side of the moon then. And they lost contact with them for a while unless they made that whole part up in the movie.

I don't know because the crew Artemis too they did lose connection or for like an hour when they were And also didn't we have We had pictures of the of the Earth behind the moon From back in the day

Was that the satellite? Maybe that was a satellite Yeah that was a satellite sent the picture Anyway that's the question I have With doing zero research on it I'll look it up I think you're right I think the crazy I saw this like Like little graphic of the art

is to like path and launch. The craziest part about it is I feel like people don't assume the moon is moving. And so like you assume it's like, oh, they had to like meet it. Yes. It's like leading a pass. Right. It's like leading a receiver where it's like they had to pick a point, head straight towards it knowing that the moon was going to meet them.

We need Tom Brady driving this thing. Yes. Like they had to catch it at the exact right moment, whip around it and then come back down. That's why all the guys with pocket protectors are doing the math and making sure it works. Right? This is so that honestly one of the best argument to how we didn't go to how the moon landing is fake in the 60s was that we didn't have computers. I'm just like, I don't know how the fuck we did that on paper. Just did bath long hand.

You know, people writing shit on paper. People fucking were smart. They could do math back. My joke with that. Crazy. It always funny. It's like, you know what else we had for sure before computers was fucking airplanes flying all the time.

Yep. Just planes can take you around the world and people are shocked that like I will say though one of the best articles maybe ever on the ringer is Ben Lindberg. this, oh, God, this was like nine years ago. That makes me feel old. But him and Jason wrote about the Saturn Cassini mission, which is we sent it as satellite to gut-freakin Saturn. And then Ben talked to like 50 people who worked on the Saturn Cassini mission.

And they all sent Ben their favorite, because this thing took like a million pictures. And they're like, send us your favorite picture from this whole trip and just tell us why it's your favorite picture. And it is unbelievable. but the accuracy of the Saturn thing was the equivalent of basically they're just like it's like curling. You kind of just

send it and then you just hope it makes it. Like you kind of have to let go and you just aim and you hope you did it right. And the accuracy that they did it, it was the equivalent of if you had a car in New York and you just like auto and you pushed it and you auto and you let go and you aimed for a specific parking spot

in San Francisco and then you got it within three feet. That is the accuracy they calculated from here to Saturn. What year was that? Well, it crashed. They had to get, it ended the mission 2017. So it's like 2009 or something. I don't know.

Yeah, man. People are really smart. I think one of the craziest things about space that I always think about that people talk about is, I don't know. You know, if you're so X amount of light years away from Earth, looking at Earth, what you're seeing is Earth in like Roman times or whatever. So you're like, yeah, the sun, sunlightlights. eight minutes old. Like, that's fucking crazy to think about. Because we could be looking at stars

that have already exploded, but we don't know yet. Right. Yeah. Like in a couple hundred years or what, like, we sent all these, like, I think we sent music out from the 70s and it's like, in 300 years, they're going to be like, wow. Yeah. Wow, that music sucked. I don't know why this space launch grabbed me so much, but I am fascinated by it. I watched the whole thing on Netflix when we did the flyby. Headed on. Oh, was it live? That's sick. Yeah. Next to, you can watch our show or the flyby to the moon on that both of which are breaking new ground. Because it's like they didn't go to the moon

you know. Come on. They flew 250,000 miles to just look at it out the window. Right. They said they're not going to the moon. The fantasy show they could be doing anything. Like who does, you know, the mystery box, really. Did you see? Think about the math we're doing on this show, guys. Did you see the side by side of like the moon

for 50 years? I mean, the earth 50 years ago versus now like the side by side of the photos. Yeah. And now the earth is all grayed out and looks like shit in 50 years ago it looked like beautiful and colorful. I don't know if that's because of like whatever camera they use or it's just a bad photo but everybody was like holy shit we've ruined this fucking planet

it was just cloudy Craig that yeah yeah yeah yeah actually I could be totally that might be true or it's just like whatever type of photo they took made it look more gray but it was funny. Fits the vibes. All right thank you TK.

You look like shit God oh it's happening to you you know what father time has away with us all thank you dk thank you k thank you k k thank you fatholicate football at gmail dot com emails should take purges email us uh questions for mailback actual draft stuff or other things moon ostrichs whatever thank you cam thank you abu thank you carlos thank you awesome thank you everyone for listening thank you lord lord thank you exile i don't know who that is uh for the first time in the wisconsin for the first time in the I don't think I've ever had this happen before.

I heard that song till the night closes in. Or, you know, that I want to kiss you all over. To the night closes in. I heard it in a restaurant. I was like, what? You don't want breakfast? The night closes in. Yeah, such a fucking good, like, segue.

To the night closes. It's actually a fucking banger. He's like, so. So close up on his valve. To the night closes. Anyway, great song. Great song. Added it on Spotify.

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