The Ringer NFL Show - The Coolest Players in the 2023 Draft | The Ringer NFL Draft Show

Episode Date: December 29, 2022

Welcome back to another episode of The Ringer NFL Draft Show! This week, we discuss who we think are some of the coolest players in the 2023 draft, before closing the show with America’s favorite segment, “Two Jargons, One Lie” (51:17). Bijan Robinson, RB Texas (03:42) Quinton Johnston, WR, TCU (09:22) Jalin Hyatt, WR, Tennessee (15:13) Darnell Washington, TE, Georgia (19:24) Devon Achane, RB, Texas A&M (26:46) Joey Porter Jr., CB, Penn State (31:13) Deuce Vaughn, RB, Kansas State(37:03) Tyree Wilson, OLB, Texas Tech (40:48) Check back in on this feed every Thursday for more of The Ringer NFL Draft Show. Check out our Weekly Fantasy Football Rankings for positional rankings and more! Email us! [e-mail] Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Ben Solak Producers: Craig Horlbeck and Jessie Lopez Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hey, my name is Kevin Clark. I'm the host of a new football podcast called Slow Newsday. I want to tell you about it. On Mondays, Lindsay Jones and I will recap the weekend in football that was, as well as look ahead to what's next. On Wednesday, the normal Slow Newsday, the thing you've been watching for years, current players, current coaches, current analysts talking about the football world. And on Friday, it's a wild card.

Could be some college football. Could be more pro stuff. It's a video podcast so you can watch it on Spotify or listen to it wherever you get your podcasts. Follow on Spotify. It's Slow Newsday. My name is Dana Hypatatat. I am joined by our two draft experts,

Danny Kelly and Ben Solac. Craig Horlebeck is not here today, but the three of us, we're coming to you here on the Ringer Fantasy Football Show feed, and the NFL draft show is going to be every Thursday between now and the NFL draft. Our first two episodes were about the quarterback,

so you can go back and listen to those if you want. Today, it's about vibes. Because you guys watch a lot of tape, and let's be real, you probably watch a lot of players, and they're good, but they're boring. Dika, how thrilling is it, when you watch a player who's good, but also cool.

Yeah, that's huge because honestly, going through and trying to watch tape on like, you know, 150, 200, whatever, how many ever guys you end up doing every year, it gets a little bit, it's like a little bit of a slog, to be honest, sometimes, especially for some positions, I would say. And I'm actually curious to hear what Ben has to say

about what position's the worst to watch. I probably would say corner, that I think corners just kind of gets really boring to watch snap in and snap out where they're like never targeted. But yes, it's like invigorating. It's exciting when you see a guy that's like, ooh, this guy is like popping off the tape as they say. As you say in the biz, this guy's popping off the tape or whatever,

jumping off the tape. It just makes it more fun. It gives you kind of like that energy boost that you're looking for. So these are some of the guys I think that we've identified as just super fun to watch. Simply put. Yeah. The most boring position to watch, the hot take, but correct take is edge rusher.

Yeah, I actually think so too. The eight plays that they get that are meaningful, you learn a lot from. And then the other 42 plays, the run is going the other direction. It's a wide receiver screen. They have run first responsibilities, so they're not coming off the line.

Like Will Anderson film this year for Alabama. 66% of the plays don't matter. He's like the best edge-sbrushing of the class can be a top-five pick. You got to watch them. You got to watch all of the film. 66% of the plays, like, all right, that is useless for me

either positive or negative direction. edge dependers are super boring. Yeah, I actually agree with that. Yeah. The other thing about fun players is that the fun players are the ones that we're all going to talk about, right? Like, yeah, the draft is such a big thing now. This bringer NFL draft show did not exist two years ago, right?

The draft is such a big thing. And because it's such a big thing, like all football fans of, you know, Twitter accounts and Instagram accounts and TikTok accounts that want to talk about draft players, they want to research highlights and see who is the good third round sleeper for their guys. Like, everybody's going to gravitate to these players that are just like, whether it's for measurables or for play style or for production, just like sick.

These are the players that people are going to want to talk about. So it's fun to talk about them right now and help establish who the dudes are that you're seeing every single mock track for the rest of time. And that's saying, instead of backing first, I was going to say backing ass first into who the cool players are,

we're just grouping them all together right now. So just these are the cool players that you need to know. And we're jumping right in. DK, give us our first coolest player, the 20-20th draft. I mean, I don't think you have to go very far. He's probably going to be a first round pick, but Bichon Robinson, man. Like, there's a guy, this is a guy that's had a ton of

hype going back several years. He probably could come out left. So the running back from Texas. Running back to Texas. For the people who have been just studying the draft. Yeah, we're still in that arrow where you've got to remember, say names, say school, say position. The worst stage. It's so hard. It's a good. High fits is a great, like,

crutch for that. So thank you for that. I mean, honestly, this is another guy that's going to be super exciting for fantasy people, for dynasty people, obviously he's going to be, he's already being talked about like the first overall dynasty pick in the rookie drafts. I think as a prospect, he reminds me of Saquan Barkley because there's just a ton of hype.

I'm not saying necessarily he's the same player as Barkley. What I'm saying is as a prospect, I think there's similar hype around him. He's the combination of size speed, juke ability, receiving ability, like the whole package at the running back position. We're going to go down this road where we're going to have to debate whether you should take a first round running back again.

We're going to have to do that whole conversation. conversation again, as we do every year. But I think Bejohn Robinson, the hype definitely, like, he lives up to the hype, I should say, and I think that he's definitely worth the first round pick, but he's just a fun-ass player to watch. When Dave Gettlement, who's the GM of the Giants,

took Sequin Barclay, he was asked why, and he said, Seekone was touched by the hand of God. Well, there you go. That's a draft term right there. Wow. So, there you go. So, like, was Bejohn Robinson touched by the hand of God? well, yes.

In the Dave Gelleman construction of things, yes. Right, where the sensation you get from watching Bejohn play, right? When you're, like, I remember watching Nick Chub out of Georgia and being like, what a guy. Like, what great, you know, squat in seven bazillion pounds, like great production. Like, he looks incredible, whatever. And then he would have these runs where he's just like picking his spot, he's running with pace, an outside zone. And he would put his foot in the ground. He'd be like, all right, time for this 225 pound.

back to change direction. I know what this generally looks like. And then he's just gone. He's at a steeper angle with more acceleration, with more body control. Like, it's the sort of thing where, like, it doesn't matter how long

you've been watching football. You could have watched Nick Chubb make that cut and go, yeah, that's not, you don't usually do that. That's not how it's supposed to work. This is what I said at the time. So, like, Nick Chubb, his feet gripped the ground differently

than any other way. Right. It's like gravity changes. Yeah. It's like the angles. Like, how is this working? Bijon is that same sensation where when you watch his best runs, you watch the big Oklahoma run,

you watch the Kansas film, and you see a player who just simply should not be, he looks so light on his feet. And then he sticks his feet in the ground, changes direction, and that moment he looks so heavy and so powerful.

And he's right back to being light again. He floats, then he cuts, then he just like, you can tell this dude doesn't move the way the other dudes move. It's like, Brise Hall,

great prospect, catatologue, great prospect. You can tell this guy moves in a way that the other dudes don't move. move period. And that's what makes them fun.

Float like a butterfly sting like a bee. Yeah, very much so. I wanted you shout out that Bichon, Robinson at 7,000 rushing yards in ice school in 114 rushing touchdowns, which is the most of the history of the state of Arizona. Ridiculous. And your friend Trevor Sickerb, so like at ProFable Focus, compared him to booby Miles from Friday night lights, which I thought was fantastic. I love a good comp to like a character.

That's the best. Yeah. So Bejohn's the man. Also is incredible name. So we're going to be hearing so much of Bejohn. But, um, yeah. Solek, do you have a comp for him yet? Like, who does he remind you of?

I've seen the Sequan one. I think that Bejon's a little bit more upright, uh, a little bit less of like a bowling ball. And that's the same issue with Nick Chub. And so I don't particularly love those. Because I think that will cause Bejohn some issues in terms of like contact balance between the tackles, like where he carries his weight. The other thing is that. that the Sequan receiving ability

has been such a huge part of his NFL game. I think Bejohn's a good receiver. I'm not sure he's there as well. So, like, 0.9 Sequans, I think is fine for right now. There's probably something better out there than that, though. This is going to sound like I'm underselling him, and I promise you, I'm not because I think he's a really good prospect. But I also think Remandre Stevenson is a really, really good running back.

He reminds me of a souped up Remandre because the way that he has, like you said before, like really light feet, the ability to juke a guy out of his socks in a phone booth, but he also has that size. He also has that balance, the vision, the ability to negotiate, like, tight spaces and come out unscathed. It's just kind of uncanny for him. And so to me, obviously, people are going to make it.

I think people might react negatively to this comp, but I actually think Ramandre is like one of the best running backs in the NFL. But I think he's a souped up version. The other thing about the Ramandre comp that works is both players played in the Big 12. and Ramandre was like, wow, this back who's so big is so patient. Like we don't typically see that. Bejohn's the same thing. It's because of the fronts they're running against, right?

Like this like Dave Miranda type front big 12 defense that we see so much now is trying to force backs to be slower. It's one of the way, like so that way there's more time for secondary players to get into the run fit. So it's forcing these big backs to learn how to play more slowly. And man, some of Bejohn's runs where he's just sitting and he's waiting and he's waiting and he's waiting. And you can feel it, you can feel the engine revving, right? It's like fast and furious at the starting line, man. You can feel him waiting.

And then he sees that sunlight, he goes, that's very similar to how Ramandre did at Oklahoma. So that's not a bad comp at all. All right, so there we go. Bichon Robinson, Booby Miles, Sequin, Ramonio Stevenson, Dom Torretto, pick your poison. So like, next coolest player in the 2020 draft.

Anybody who's been watching college football knows that this TCU wide receiver putting John is awesome. He's going to play in the New Year's and he's going to play in the college football playoff for TCU. And then he's expected to come out. He's a junior right now, 6 foot 4, 210. Now,

somebody's a lot. I don't think he's 6-4. I want to get that from the jump. 64 is a generous listing, in my opinion. 6-3? 6-2? I think more 6-3. I'll tell you this.

If a 6-4 guy is moving this fast, good night. Let's go home. It's over. Quentin Johnson's got size, unbelievable length. He can touch his kneecaps in the offending over. Right. Acceleration, long speed, he's physical. he's also got like quickness and and change of direction ability.

He breaks tackles like way more than you expect for a player of his size. He's got play strength. He's got elevation ability. He can jump. I'm running out of physical attributes to list and we haven't yet gotten to the one he doesn't have. Do we see what the issue here is? The, the T.S.U offense, like a very spread out offense. And so he doesn't run a super diverse route tree.

But like when he's running, his in breaking stuff, he's great. When he's right, like, rat breaking, like he runs double moves and he gets it. He's a little bit like long and lanky so that can make it like top. for like elite change of direction, but he really has like every physical tool in the toolkit. And then he's got knack, man. He's got feel.

Like it's so easy to watch this player. I've seen like the Martavis Bryant pomp a lot. Right, right. Stretch the field, incredible athlete, he's got good length. And I like that. But it downplays. It does not account for the field.

This guy's a, he's not a track star. He's a wide receiver. He'll make catches with his back to the defense and then give that little shimmy and turn up field to make a guy miss. He'll throw that dead leg out, cut up feet.

field, right? He understands how to break a corner out. He adjusts his routes for space. He gets it. They're like, football IQ. Quentin Johnson is complete. He's everything in a bag of chips. He's, you can play him at the, you could draft him to be your ex receiver. T. Higgins, you'd be fine. You can draft it to be your Z receivering field stretching guy and you could be fine. You can put him in the slot. TCU's done it and you'll be all right. He's like, this is the most all that in a bag of chips player that I think I've watched so far in, in the draft process. We're just, I, I, I, struggle so much to find the way that he doesn't at least get a solid role in the NFL because he wins in such a myriad of ways. The thing you mentioned about his knack and how he just has like a

really good feel, the first thing that came to my mind when I was watching him, and I'm not comparing him to this guy, but C.D. Lamb made a play this past weekend, I believe it was, where he caught a ball and basically reverse pivoted and let the defense back just ran right by, and then he just waltzed into the end zone. You see this on tape with Quentin Johnston all the time. Like, basically he'll catch a ball and like drop step away from the defense. And like it's just a very natural. He has like that feel for the defender's going to be like where the leverage is going to be. He's very good about that at the catch point.

Like he has really good body control. This is a guy who is on Bruce Feldman's Freaks list. He was the number 23 guy on that. He has a 42 inch vert, 11 foot broad jump. He clocked at 4-4 in the 40, 575 pound squat. And he has that all at like 6 foot 3 or 6 foot 4 or whatever. 215 pounds. So I would say the only,

he's a former, like, medalist in the high jump and long jump. Sorry, not long jump, not high jump. So he's obviously an elite elite. A medalist, what?

A medalist or what? The Olympics? State medalist in high school, I'm talking about, sorry. Out of Texas, right? Yeah. Yeah.

And Texas high school is, it goes Olympics as one A and then one B is Texas high school records. The tracks there are like fucking legit. He's also a big time basketball player, if you like that kind of thing. So I don't know. Like to me, like, I love this guy. But that's where the feel comes from, right?

If you want to, if you want to learn spatial awareness, we don't learn how windows are open and close, play yourself to basketball, man. That's the entire sport. And that, you can see it so clearly. All season long, this will drive me nuts. People will talk about height weight speed, vertical ability, and like, you know, contested catch. And no of people talk about the one.

The fact this guy is the ball in his hands, when he's running around, when he's trying to get to a window, he has the feel of like the 5-10, 185-pound little slot option. You know what I'm saying? We always talk about, oh, look the way this guy found space. Clint Johnson's got that. And it's so, so important to the well-roundedness of his game.

It's true. It's so hard to measure, but the only thing that might be like a concern, I think going in, well, number one, like his production wasn't like out of this world, but that's maybe more like an indication of the offense. And number two,

there are some drops. But yeah, to me, he's probably going to end up on a lot of people's list as the top receiver in this class. It's kind of a weird class because there's a lot of smaller, smaller guys,

a lot of shiftier, like slot type receivers. and there's no, you know, true, like, quote-unquote alpha type guys that are going to be at the top of the list probably, and he's the one guy that could, like, be that top 10 pick or whatever in this draft. Yeah, his catch technique isn't flawless. However, I don't care super much. Like, D.K. Metcalf is a good example.

His catch technique is not good. Also, a thousand-year-resceiver. Like, you know, we're going to get, we'll get home. You can live with the drops because he has big play potential. And he makes a contested catch. the name that comes to mind when I watch him is T. Higgins. That's a player who... That's a good one.

Yeah, and I don't think people... The problem with the comp is, I also don't think people realize how good T is at running routes and T is at finding space. And, like, T definitely does a little bit more than Johnson does in terms of acrobatic stuff up against the sideline. But at the same time, it's the way that, like, T is a true 6-4. If Johnson comes into a true 6-4, the movement skills at that size and the way it's going to allow him to be above

even NFL corners, like, that's just... It's not regular. It's not frequent. It doesn't come out every year. and that's where I figure you're going to see Johnson prioritized very highly. I'm not sure he ends up wide receiver

one, but he's got a case. He's got a case for sure. The next wide receiver, while we're on wide receivers I want to hit here, I'm fascinated by this guy. Tika, you put Jalen Hyatt, the receipt for Tennessee,

who I feel like was famous, but then like you had 200 yards against Alabama, and it was like, okay, okay, but like who is this, like what is going on here? How did this guy do this? If you catch five touchdown passes

against Alabama, you're automatically cool in my book. That's how, that's how I've made this choice. You have become cool. He had five touchdowns touchdown catches against Alabama. I don't think he is the most complete prospect, clearly. But I do think he's very interesting.

But why clearly? Well, he's sort of a one-year wonder, one-hit wonder. He kind of came on really strongly this past year. Going into the season, he wasn't even really considered his team's top receiver. That was Cedric Tillman. And he kind of just burst on the scene out of nowhere. Tillman got hurt. Hyatt led the nation in touchdown catches, and he got 15.

He won the Bullittnacoff Award. which goes to the top receiver in the country. He has a ton of speed. He's like a breakaway big clay guy. I don't know. Again, I don't think he's the best receiver in this class, but I think he has a chance to be a first rounder based on the fact he's probably going to run a really good time.

He's got length and he is a touchdown creator. And like the other thing I think is interesting about him is incredible length. He's another guy that like just really, really go-go-gaggett long arms. And he can like reach out that extra inch or two to catch those passes that are slightly overthrown or whatever. And that was like a big part of the reason. I think he also had so many touchdown catcher this year. It's just kind of got that extra length that you see.

It's like having a corner that is really long. You could knock off a few, like, a tenth of a second or two on their 40 times just because they have that length. That's like Jalen Hyatt in terms of his ability to catch up to pass us down the field. Well, it's not just as, you keep saying his length. It's not just his length. I don't know if there's a polite way to say this, but proportionally a unique fellow.

He's skinny. slender sinewy i think i said it on one of the previous shows for two jargons and one lie he's got an inseam of like 65 inches man i'm made up like on stilts this guy's walking on stilts it's unbelievable his legs i i don't even know like it's like it's like doc or something he's long and skinny i think we can the bMI question is giving me a big one again with this uh with this guy honestly the only person i know with his legs that look like this are devourable Montez Smith and Kevin Durant. We were like, I don't really know how you support this friend.

Durant. That's an interesting comp. Durant's a great comp. Yeah, he's absolutely a Durant. It's just like, this shouldn't work. But it does. I don't know. It's also one of the reasons why he gets on top of corners, right?

It's just because you don't think that this guy can get as much buildup speed as he does. But it takes him three steps to go 10 yards. And so his his feet are turning over faster than you are, right? And he just eats up space on you accordingly. Like you you watch how often when they throw to him vertically Because they they throw like Other offenses when they throw these vertical passes They throw them like later in the down

Henn and Hooker was like three stepping the ball is out And so he'll release it And Hyatt will be even with the guy He'll run under it with the corner And the corner will be right next to him And by the time the ball arrives he's got like three yards of separation And it's because he just eats Upground

And it's because of the stride length It absolutely matters So he ran Oh I like that That's another going. HiFest, dude, you're coming on with some good comp. Dude, I'm just saying. Kevin Durant meets Secretariat.

Holy shit. I like what So, like, said, but at the Combine, that's what we need. We need, like, these guys, like, we waste all this time on, like, getting, like, their height to the eighth of an inch. And we just need a tailor. Yeah, absolutely. Just get some chalk. Get them in a, just. Honestly, we should do the Taylor sessions for the NFL draft.

We should do that at the Combine and, like, make them pick out their draft suits. but we're just getting like, oh, look at this in scene. Yeah. Oh, my God. I would say the other thing that makes him cool, he has an NIL deal with Hyatt hotels. So that's very, absolutely.

Big part of course. All right, so we got Will Levis is going to do Levi's. We're going to make that one happen. We got Hyatt. Next one here, this is my favorite one on the entire list. So, like, you put Darnell Washington, the tight end from Georgia.

I don't know. This is great. It's Darno Washington. I know him as the Terminator guy. Danny and Danny. Are you guys fans of those videos where it's, like, here's a fifth grade football game. And this random is super large fifth grader is in it.

And he went through puberty when he was seven, six years old. He's just like kneeing kids in the head and like falling over as he runs a little big. He's way too big for his body, way too big for his coordination. And he like stiff arms him on the kid of the turf. And like the parents like awkwardly clapping on the sideline. Like we're happy for him obviously. Yeah, yeah.

He's nine years old. If you like those videos, boy, do I have the prospect for you. Darnell Washington is a tight end out of Georgia. He is a rising junior. Again, we expect him to come out because there's a chance he's the first round pick. We don't know for sure if he's coming out yet or not. If he does, you're going to be very, very excited.

Darnell is somewhere around 6'8, 265 pounds. So I heard he's a little heavier. He's like almost like 280 pounds. Dude, yes. If you wanted to, you could Jason Peters this guy in a heartbeat and end up with an incredible offensive tackle. I truly believe that. Right.

Because he's out there 6-8-265, 6-8-275, whatever it is. Looking trim, looking clean. He's got an hourglass figure, man. I mean, he's not carrying extra weight. You absolutely could throw more pounds on if you wanted to. Now, what Georgia does is they just put him on a line of scrimmage and they point him at some like 4-235-pound linebacker. Just annihilates people, yeah.

they, when Georgia's sold in games away, which they, you know, Georgia was in a position to salt a lot of games away this year, they run inside zone

and they run duo behind Darnow Washington and so many runs come off of his back because he's either double teaming into a defensive end who's,

remember, lighter than he is. Dude, he's so much bigger than the defense on the line of the field. He engulfs people at the line of scrimmage.

Dude, there's this photo I love of Yao Ming next to JJ Watt and J.J.W. and that's how this dude makes all the other defenders on the field look.

when, so they'll do those interior runs and he'll, like, wash it down and it's great. It's when they use him as a perimeter blocker. Yeah. That is hilarious. They will either use him, like, they'll flex him out and use them on wide receiver screens or they'll run like toss plays and lead plays and he'll like, from the tight end position, go and like become the lead blocker. The Oregon film, they did this a lot.

They really wanted to take the cornerbacks for Oregon and put them in a position where they had to make them tackle against size. These actual corners, they'd vanish. You could hear the Wilhelm's screen. watching the tape, right? Washington would block them and then you wouldn't be able to see them or find them.

Dude, they'd be gone. So, like, I had the pleasure of watching that Georgia, Oregon game, like, live. And I have never, not since Marshawn Lynch was in his prime, have I just been so happy when a player just touched the football like I was discovering this dude

because here's thing. I feel like for, like, 10, 15 years, there's been a question of, like, what if LeBron James had played football? What if LeBron James were a tennis? It's literally this guy. Darno Washington is if LeBron James play football. He's as tall as LeBron,

and it's like if LeBron was adding muscle for football instead of like basketball playing. Like he is the fastest guy in the field at 6 foot 8, and all he wants to do is jump over people. Yes. We always like to say like, oh, this tight end, like he's like a small forward played, and this is actually like this is the first time, right?

I thought of Larry Johnson. That's a bit of a throwback for you guys. That's a good one. Oregon. The grandma, grandma or whatever. Yeah. They hit him on a little, like, you know, play action flood. He's the underneath guy. They throw it to him. The defensive back goes to tackle him and just like water off the duck's back, man. I mean, just falls off of him.

And Darna like gets going up field, picks up a little bit of steam. He ran a four-eight coming out of high school, which is banana. He was a five-star. He was a five-star. Hold on. Hold on. Forget high school. I watched, I'm sorry. I'm obsessed with this guy. Please, you know. I was watching his video of him. He was six feet tall in fifth grade. Love it. Exactly. He was making the. these videos that he's now also making

against Power 5 athletes. But he can actually open up and run a little bit and then he hurdles the guy. And all he needs to do is be like a relatively good red zone threat to justify an early selection because he's going to provide so much value in the blocking game and then in the play action game.

Everybody's going to see him on the field, block, blah, blah, block and then he's going to drop out. And that's what makes like figure out, he's so good for this pod because figuring out where he's going to get drafted is tricky, right? He's going to be like, if he's in the first round he's going to be like one of those luxury picks, that's like late in the first round, like a really good team

just wants to continue to create issues, right? Like the Ravens are going to draft him, put him and Mark Andrews and as they all have the field at the same time and just like flip off the bird to the opposing sideline

for four quarters. But like just one of those picks, and you go to find comps and like these tall tight ends tend to struggle a little bit because it's hard. Like they can get out leverage so guys can get underneath them.

Mercedes Lewis was a first round pick is probably like a good comp for how he's going to be used in the NFL, but Mercedes has like one season over 300 receiving yards. So it is tricky. He's a hard one to figure out in terms of value.

In terms of hilariousness, there's no better player in the animal. He's so fun to watch. Also, the cool factor, dude wears number zero. Yes, he does. Just fucking out there, number zero. That's the best. That's the guy rules. What's the name of the giant in Game of Thrones and all these white walkers

and he's just like ripping them off his back? He's like, oh, that's like, one, one? Something like that. Yeah, Lon, yeah. Oh, my God. All right. So they're good. He's really, really fun. You know what?

Honestly, like, the receiving thing is going to be a big question mark with him. Obviously, he hasn't had a lot of production. I think he has, like, two or three touchdowns total in his career. And he's a bit, he's like a rumbling, tumbling, stumbling down the field type of guy. He's not, like, smooth out of his blocks, whatever. So is Gronk. Gronk never looked like he was, like, running a smooth route. That's the thing is, like, on the scale of football players, he's not smooth.

on the scale of 6 foot 8, 275 found guys I've watched in my life, he's pretty smooth, man. He can like break off a route, he gets his face, he catches with his hands, he checks a lot of the boxes. I think he can be like a legitimate red zone threat, like third down threat, past catching threat. I think he can be a three-down tight end. He's just a threat.

He's going to be such a huge force multiplier for a team that runs the ball well with him on the field because he's a sixth offensive lineman all the time. And then you get your play action past up. You throw him just a ball in the flat. You throw the ball in like a delayed release. And it's him versus a safety coming down.

He's breaking that tackle. He's breaking it a lot. And then he's going to create yards up for the catch because he's a valuable play. Yeah. And people are going to comp him to like, you know, Jolani Woods last year was a popular pick because he was really athletic, really big, long and everything. But like this guy is, you know, head and shoulders above any other like recent

tight end coming out in terms of like. Literally. Well, I don't know if he's head and shoulders below Johnny Woods, but he's definitely bigger. He's definitely got more sand in his pants, plus he's just an elite blocker. Wow, a sand in his pants, organic drop by D.K. That wasn't even too jargon to lie. Also, number zero, again, the coolest number. Incredible.

All right, DK, next coolest guy here. Oh, my God. So this guy, I think he's going to be a little bit of controversial. It's not maybe the right word. There's just going to be, I'll really love him. There's going to be people that think he's too small. Devin A-Chain from Texas A&M, Devon A-Chain, I should say. His name is going to trick people.

From Texas A&M, fastest man at football, I would say. The Superbad, he's the fastest get alive. He's a freak. So, depending on where you look, he's either, his personal best is 10.02 in the 100, but that was win-aided. I think, like, officially, it's like 10.14 or something like that. Regardless, it's like Olympic. This is Olympic speed. Only 10-1 without win.

He's off my board. Is that good? I, guys, I don't know how. Okay, so think about 100 meters. Okay. Think about 10 seconds. Okay. Think about 10 meters per second. Think about a meter being basically a yard.

Think about 10 yards in one second. And think about it the whole way down the field. I wish that it helped more. Oh, sorry. So you're basically saying it's like a 4040. There we go. We're there. Oh, when you put it like that.

That's cool. That makes sense. He's the fastest care on the field. He, I mean, he's, obviously, no one's ever going to compare to Tyree Kill in speed, but, like, he has incredible, incredible burst and speed. He has a great acceleration. He's more than just, like, a skinny little track guy, in my opinion, too. He's, like, got incredible burst and acceleration that can make him a good running back in the NFL.

The big question with him is he's listed at 5-9-185. He's going to be under 200 pounds, almost surely, when you go into the NFL. I think he's probably playing a little lighter than he'll end up playing in the NFL just because he's doing the track thing in college and he's been really fucking good in track. But say he's like 5-9, 5-8-195 or something like that, he's still going to be on the low end for weight. So that's going to be the big question. When I watched him, I kept seeing Tony Pollard. Just a guy, Tony Pollard's bigger, but like just a guy who is, as Solac and I like to say, can scoot.

Just every time he touches the ball, he's just freaking blowing that. blowing by guys, obliterating pursuit angles, and just making, like, really fast people, really fast human beings just look absolutely slow.

And so I love watching this guy play. He's going to be, it's going to be a big question of like where he lands, how they're utilizing him and all that, but I think he's really, really exciting. I think he's probably going to be

a second round pick, and I cannot wait to just kind of like see where he goes and watch and play, because he's just so much fun to watch. Yeah, that Tony Pollard Tom makes a lot of sense. That got me.

That is, it's a good, illustration for the way that, like, it can be like, oh, here's a toss. Oh, there's one block. Wait, he scored. Like, it was. A hundred percent. A plane from behind the line of scrimmage gets 30 yards down the field. He gets there in a blink of the eye. The, uh, the hope is that if he gets into the NFL and like, you know, this was like a longstanding pollard thing with fantasy people, like getting more touches, get him more involved, so on and so forth. The hope is that he gets to a team that has good space utilization for him, right? We're like, he's going to be a returner. He's

probably going to be a good change of pace back. He can probably, I think, like he didn't get to do as much Texas A&M as much as he should. He can line up in the slot and he did a route. He did a little bit because they had, I say, his spiller last year. And so in order to get them onto the field, I remember like the LSU game in particular, that he was lining up that receiver in the slot outside at times.

They're trying to get both of those guys on the field. He's going to run into some questions about like whether he can run through the tackles. I think that's going to be a big talking point during the run-up to the draft. I think, like I've seen. him string together moves where he's like jukeing a guy at the line, you know, kind of slaloming through the line and like getting upfield. I think he can run between the tackles. He's not going to be a pile pusher.

He's like, I mean, he's kind of like Pollard. Like Pollard is sort of useless around the goal line. He just constantly, you know what I mean? Like that's why they bring Zeke in to like pound the rock into the end zone. This is not going to be a guy that is a pile pusher. He's not going to be a guy that will pick up the extra hard yards like usually. but like Pollard, I think he can run through arm tackles just because he's so explosive.

He can make guys miss based on angles and his just incredible burst from start, stop. So I'm just really excited about him. I think people are going to be all over the place in terms of how they evaluate him just because there's going to be people that think he's just a speed guy. But to me, he showed enough as a football player

to get really excited about. All right. Next coolest guy, Solek. Do you remember Pittsburgh Steelers linebacker, Joey Porter? He's pretty good. He's pretty good. How do you feel about Penn State

cornerback Joey Porter Jr.? Any relation? Yeah, maybe a little bit. I know, like for some people, they don't like it when the juniors come out, right? Like, inside his name is junior. It makes you feel cold. It does, but like this is sick

because Joey Porter was so cool and now Joey Porter Jr. is so cool. Item one on the convinced the dany's that Joey Porter Jr. is cool. This, by the way, is a junior cornerback at a Penn State. He doesn't play linebacker's corner. He has declared for the draft he's coming out.

I like for everybody listening, don't do it if you're driving, to Google Joey Porter Jr. arm length and then go over to images. I'm going to do this right now. And just kind of look at some of these photos. Oh my God. So.

Oh, my God. What are they going to be like 35 inch long or something like that? Are his wrists at his knees? Yes. So I said that Quinn Johnson can touch his kneecaps without bending over it. Joey Porter Jr., like that is a wing stand. This is the Kevin Durant arms. Yes.

We had Kevin Durant legs for Jay and Kevin Durant arms for Troy Porter Jr. Oh my God. The cornerbacks coach from Penn State, Terry Smith, says that Porter has 35 inch arms. Now, I don't know if he did the exact measurement the correct way. Right. Tip to the top of the shoulder, freaking however they do it. But the longest arms ever measured at the combine for a corner where DeAndre Hall coming out of Northern Iowa, and even then people thought he should be a safety, at 34 and 3 eighth inch.

So if he stays at corner and he's legit 35, he's going to break the combine record by a half inch, which is like a substantial amount in terms of these measurements. There's one safety who's got longer arms. That was Josh Harvey Clemens, came out of Louisville and later moved to linebacker because of the size that this guy had. George Iloca also is safety, good safety for a long time for the Bengals, 34, and I want to say like a half inch arm, right? And there's been talking about moving Joy Porter Jr. to safety. He's so big. He's had long legs as well as long arms that his transitional quickness, right?

your mirror matchability, how can you stick to routes, gets tested. Absolutely, it gets tested at times on the outside. Like, if you are, if you're looking for a press cover corner in this draft, it's a great draft for it. Tam Smith out of South Carolina, Keeley Ringo out of Georgia, like there are, there are press guys who are good in the first round. And Joy Porter Jr., you may look at and say, okay, like obviously he's built to press, he's huge, he's some getting cover up his routes, but maybe we like another guy more just because the transitional quickness is better. And that's a respectable opinion. However, this is not the who's the best press corner pot. This is the cool players pot. And the guy with 35 inch arms who just has like, he had 11 past breakups on the season.

He had 98,000 more contested catches that like were counted, weren't counted. They were, they were completed. They were tough catches. He had like a near pick against Purdue that ended up being cocked to bounce off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The way this guy affects the catch point is on, he is suffocating. He is a blanket. That's exactly the right word. I was trying to think of the right word for it because it's just so annoying. He's so annoying to opposing receivers. There are so many reps where a quarterback drops back,

looks to join Porter Jr's side of the field, and just immediately gets his eyes off. Because Porter Jr. is just eaten up the receiver. He's just gone. You can't find him. The length is enormously limiting. It reminds me a lot of watching Rasul Douglas out of West Virginia, when they would get him up on the line of scrimmage,

he could just eat dudes up, but then they're playing him a lot of his own, they'd play him in off, and he wasn't as good, and then he came to the NFL and he didn't all watch film, this and everything, and he gets to Green Bay, and finally a coach figures out, he'd be like, hey, you know how you're really big? They hit the guy, and then, like, it clicks.

Joy Porter Jr.'s got that to him. So whether or not he, like, ends up transitioning to safety and you kind of use the length and use the size, like, against tight ends, or whether he stays on the outside and he survives press coverage, using those cover three corner, you know, we kind of get the Byron Maxwell, Richard Truman, and think him again, he's like Tariq Wallen.

He's got the length, you know what I mean? No, it's like, so, like, you made this joke a couple episodes ago, but it's like Joey Porter Jr. Looks like someone took a photo of Joey Porter Senior and tried to make it bigger, but instead of driving the corner box, they took like the top box and they just like distorted the photo.

Yeah. He's like really long. Dude, he's, he's, he's, uh, he's the inflatable thing in front of the used car dealership, man. But the Wack inflating too, man. It's crazy. And so I don't,

whack inflatable arm flage. I don't know exactly what he's going to end up being. And like the NFL projection, like all that stuff that we got to riddle out. What I know is that. watching him win some of the reps that he's won is just sick. It's so cool to see his size in the way that it works. I think he's edible translatable somehow.

Yeah, I was going to say I think he's going to be a corner, just because to me, some of the main traits you need at corner, like some of the instincts and knack that you really need is the ability to like turn your head and find the ball at the right time. And I see that with him like time and time again where even if he's like, loses a step in fate, like you know when like he turns your head, you flip your hips and you try and catch up with the receiver down the field. there's a few times there where he'll lose a step or two.

But he's so long and he has a good feel for when to turn his head and get his hands up into the passing lane that it's like really hard to throw it into his area. You essentially have to drop a ball like into a bucket to get it over his really long arms. And he turns his head at the right time to look for the ball. So I don't know. I guess it is probably a little bit scheme dependent finding the right scheme for him. But like to me, those traits that length along with like his, you know, just he's Joe Porter's. on like he plays hard, he's physical, he tackles and all that.

Like, I don't know. I think he could make it in the NFL as a quarter. Also, he gets a lot of flags, but that's also cool. I'm into it. All right, that's a good pitch, select. DK, next one, coolest player. So obviously, I'm a fantasy guy, so I focused a lot on, like, running back some receivers. Sorry for that.

But I'm going with Deuce Vaughn, running back from Kansas State, who is... Oh, this is a great one, though. Inarguably cool. He's tiny. I think he's listed at like 5'4.6. Hold on. Let me pull up here. He's tiny.

He's listed at 5.6-1-76. He could fit under Joy Porter Jr.'s arm. I think he might be more like five. Like if he's 5-5, it works like. He is, he's just an awesome player. Number one, he's been really, really productive. He's a running back out of Kansas State, really, really productive for them. Three-year starter.

Really, really good receiver. Like, basically they used him on verse. vertical routes. They use him as a dump-off option. He's going to get a ton of comps, this draft period, to Darren Sprouls. I don't think he's Darren Sprouls. You know who you really reminded me of is Danny Woodhead. Just the way that he's utilized, he's undersized, but he's kind of like really quick as a hiccup, as we say, in the jargon business here. He's really quick. He's really elusive as a route runner.

Just juke's guys out of, like, juke's guys in a phone booth. Like, he'll be like, he'll square somebody up and just, like, run past them. It's almost like he's playing basketball. So I would say either like a Danny Woodhead conf. I think he's Darren Sprouls. You think he's Darren Sprouls? Okay, well, that's fine too, obviously. Here's the thing.

He's a short running back in Kansas State. And then after that, I just kind of stopped thinking. I don't think he's quite as explosive, but in terms of like, roll, he's, you know, he's a good pass catcher. He's got a good feel for the game. You know, he can separate as a route runner. He's been really durable.

He's got like a ton of it. I mean, he's had a ton of carries in college. And, yeah, so I'm excited to see where he lands. He's probably more of like a late day two, day three guy, probably. I don't know. What do you think? Right. No, I agree with that.

It's just whenever he gets drafted, the team that drafts him is going to get so pumped, right? He's just fun. Exactly. Yeah, he's fun. When he goes to like the, you know, Vikings are going to be like, God, is he sick. Look at this guy. It's going to be clips on Twitter.

And it's just like, it's awesome. Everybody's going to care about what he's doing in preseason. Like, this is the sort of guy that you get attached to. I think, right. I think the Darren Sproles comparison, like the joke was there that it's so easy that you're going to see it a lot. I don't think he has that level of juice.

But I do think that, like, Sproles was really good at just, like, shooting forward, like, he'd put his shoulder down into a guy. Like, he would, like, finish a run. He'd finish forward uses leverage. I think Vaughn really can make people miss. Like, in an impactful way. Yeah.

If he's going to be valuable in the league, like, I don't think he's got enough speed to be a really good return, man. But in terms of, like, a checkdown guy, like if you're getting him to a team that throws the ball to their backs a lot, like if you're getting him behind Austin Echler with the chargers, right, and you feel good about the ability of like, if I throw this guy the ball in third and five,

I think he can go get the marker for me. I think he's going to catch it and make something work. Yeah, make something out of it. And so that's, it's a role player, but it's valuable. And it's also a fun role to root for and see such a small player succeed in. This isn't everything, but the other thing I thought was kind of interesting is in 2021 last year,

not this season for the year before. He had 22 total touchdowns, 18 rushing touchdowns, and four receiving touchdowns. downs, which was fourth behind Rishina Ali, who stayed in school. He's probably going to come out this year. Brees Hall and Tyler Algier. Like, that's a pretty good group of players right there.

So I don't know, like the nose for the end zone is really a thing or not, but like, he definitely has one if it is. I'm excited for Duce Fawn to come out at the combine and they're going to measure him how tall he is. And they're going to be, all right, he's 2.2 Joey Porter Jr. Arms. So that's really nice. That's our new unit. Duce.

He's also got a cool name, Duce Fon. That's going to be our thing. We're going to compare every player. height in terms of Joyported to his arms. All right. Solek, give us our last extremely cool player for the 2023 draft. Tyree Wilson, who's like two and a half joy reporter. Love this. Tyree Wilson is an edge rusher out of Texas Tech. He previously was at Texas A&M transferred through. He was a little bit of a late bloomer, so he's older, he's 22. He's a seniors, accepted a senior-ball invite. He is, however, injured, so we don't know if he's going to play or not,

so he might have a little bit of a quieter pre-draft process. However, six-foot-six to 75, Big fella. Huge. My list of fun guys could also just be relisted as like off the bus guys. I got all the big guys

and I wanted to. If you're going to be, so you're going to be you're that size. You're a big end size. Okay, well, you're probably going to hang

at the NFL period. Right? Like you're just going to be good against the run. You're able to collapse a pocket. You're going to be useful in stunts and twist.

Like these sort of guys like the Geron Reads and the shack laws and the world, they hang around. They're just going to be around. So like, boom, high floor

because you have NFL size. What I'm now interested and it's like, okay, do you actually use your strength? You actually push people back. And when you put on Tyree Wilson film, he's just, he's more frequently three yards in the backfield than he is anywhere up beyond the line of scrimmage. He just doesn't lose.

He bullies tackles. Against the run, against the pass, flow two, flow away. He is constantly upfielded. He rarely loses ground. It's really like, at 6'6, you can get uprooted some because he's tall. He is so stout. It's awesome to say. So, okay, like, it's just, it's so easy to just, like, check boxes for it.

The NFL size, it's got NFL length, great build. And like, okay, like, holds up against the run. Like, this is just the NFL, which is very, very clear. Okay, cool. Awesome, done, whatever. Great. And then he has this one sack against NC State where he beats the tackle. He lines up super wide.

He's in a two-point stance. Look like Preston Smith out there. All 275 pounds of him in a two-point stance for some reason. He's line up super wide and the tackle fans out to go get him. And he head fakes inside. He stays outside. He head fakes. He gets inside.

He rips the inside. It's quick. It's an explosive. You're like, oh, that's pretty cool. I like that. I'm into that. I didn't know we can move like this. That's nice.

And he gets the penetration. The quarterback gets to the depth of his drop. And then the quarterback's like, oh, shoot, Tyree Wilson's coming off my blind side. I got to climb. I got to get up in the pocket. And as Tyree Wilson penetrates as a quarterback climbs, he puts one foot in the ground,

twist his whole 275-pound freaking body. So, like, parallel with the ground, gets one arm. on the quarterback's hip and just rips him to the turf. It's one of those places who goes, holy smokes and what the heck just happened? He can bend. He can finish.

He can take penetration and turn it into production. It's not the bandiest rusher you're ever going to see. He's 275. But for a guy of this size to be able to finish reps like that, both with the strength to get dudes down, the length to get to finish that. But also, you can get flat. He can flatten to the quarterback.

He can stick one foot in the ground. It's got the ankle flexion to do it. Like, there's just no reason. for this guy to have that, and he does. It's an eye-popping play. That moment is a moment that gets Tyree Wilson drafted in the first round, probably like top 15, top 20.

So when we watch like edge rushers, what makes these guys fun is the ability to just be game-enders, home-wreckers. Just for 60 minutes, I win the game. I don't think home-wrecking is quite where we're going for. Game-wrecking, maybe. Game-wrecking, excuse me, yeah. Solic keeps confusing all these very important terms.

Yeah. TK, you missed it. We were doing the Friday show last week of the NFL show. and Soak was trying to describe, like, I don't remember what we were talking about. Trying to describe the new terms that broadcasts are using to describe teams that aren't in the playoffs but are close. Like playoff in the hunt.

Right, right, right, right. And he was like, instead of on the edge, he said, yeah, teams that are edging. I was going to say edging closer. I don't say edging. Anyway, we don't need to relive this. He's like, this is my nightmare. Yes.

Wilson has games at Texas Tech where the entire Raiders defense survives because Tyree Wilson is just living in the backfield. Run, pass, inside, outside, outside the tackle. Everything is just Tyree Wilson and they're living on him.

So the ability to take over a game, all three downs, all three phases, is something that's so, so cool in Tyree Wilson. He's not like the same athlete as Trayvon Walker, so he's not going to get like that level of a boost. But I do think in terms of like, your big end teams that also still want pass rush value, like Preston Smith,

I think of the Packers is a good example of what this sort of player comes about. What about like Jadavian? So I don't think he says as athletic as Jadabian, but I also like, like, Jadavian is, became in the NFL so much more like a penetration player, like his ability to knife into the B gap, right?

Tyree Wilson can come off the line with no explosiveness, right? Just overpowers. Somebody needs to teach him how to read the snapout because he has no idea how to dress me now. But he can confound with no, like he's got to run read first, right? So he's like, comes up with no explosiveness, he puts his hands into your chest,

he sees that it's a play action fake, and then he just starts carrying you back. And you're just trying to reset, reset, re-anchor, drop the anchor, drop the anchor, and the entire way back, he's just moving you. Like, he's just got that, that Thanos inevitability to him that I think is so cool and so important. Like, there are teams

like the 49ers, like, okay, just get four speed demons up here, and we're just going to rush the pass and we're going to go. He doesn't make sense. They're not going to get him. He's going to get teams that like loopers and they like twisters, and they just need a guy who constantly destroys pocket integrity.

He's going to end the season with five and a half sacks, but all the other guys got sacks because of him. That's your Tyree Wilson. Disruption is production. He, so I saw this from ESPN. He has a 16% pressure rate,

which is fourth best among all defenders in the country. He's not getting the sacks. Like, it's not the sexy numbers that you're really looking for, like double-digid sacks, whatever, but he's constantly in the backfield. He's constantly pushing a tackle into like either the pocket

or into the run lane. I saw a play where he literally pushed a tackle into the running back and knocked the running back down, that kind of deal where he's just absolutely blowing up plays. I'm excited to hear maybe you have seen this already, Ben, but his wingspan is going to be like 90 inches. It's going to be absolutely absurd because he's got, number one, he has really broad shoulders.

I got all the taradactals in my group, man, Clint Johnson, Joey Porter Jr. and Tyree Wilson, everybody who can just reach the top shelf. That's who I wanted. You could immediately pick about when you, like, when you just turn on like the TV copy. Like he's just like, oh, that guy's freaking huge.

Like, he's easy to see. But yes, I love this guy. I think he, I mean, he honestly could be top 10 pick, even a higher. I think he's so good. I don't know if he's got to, going to be like a high, high sack guy, but he's just really, really good. That's the issue, right?

It's the Derek Barnett issue, where you, like, take him top 16, and all the reasons are because of how good he's going to be at everything except sacking the quarterback. That's the stuff you're worried about with Tyree. But, like, that, like, that NC State plays can't get out of my mind. We're like, all right, if I can just figure out how to get him to do that more often, if it's footwork, if it's work in his hands,

if it's understanding the timing, whatever it is. But a guy that big shouldn't be able to flex like that and to see a flash like that. To react. Yeah. Maybe I can get him to the point where he's got more sack production, such that I justify that top 10 pick. Well, we're talking about footwork.

We should mention that Tyrol said break a bone in his foot, so he was out for the rest of the season. So that'll be a part of his recovery. To add on to it, so I was saying there about that play against NC State, I think I can picture that play, and I wrote down, I jotted down, watching that play, like he has incredible

and incredible range as a tackler and as like a player. It's like having one and a half people on the line where he's standing because he just is so long and can corral a guy. Like I remember that, I just didn't think he had I just think he was, didn't think he was going to be able to get

the guy because he'd like gone out of his like wingspan area, but then he just like go go gadgeted his arm out and grab the dude. So that range and that just ability to like take up so much more space than like the average guy. I think it's going to be like really intriguing to a lot of defensive coordinators.

Okay. So those are our cool players for the 2020 draft. But before we get to America's favorite segment, two jargons and a lie, I want to quickly hit a couple guys with extremely cool names because as we all know,

names are also really cool. There's an Auburn running back named Tank Bigsby. I mean, a running back named Tank. That's out of control. Love that. There's a safety named Jordan Battle. I just can't believe there's going to be an

NFL defender with battle on the back of his jersey. I think that's sick. I'm a huge sucker for things like that. Yeah. There's a lineman in Osiris Torrance. I can't believe Osiris. That's what a sick name. You know,

you know, Amon Ra on Equanimia, St. Brown? Yeah. They have a brother named Osir as St. Brown. Oh, my God. He played at Stanford. Wow. Amon Ra is easily the best name in the NFL. Yes.

But the most important name of all is, so, like, what's the guy's name from Georgia? the cornerback that's really good, pick six in the championship game? Keylee Ringo. Ringo. Okay, I just want to check it was in Ringo. Ringo. Ringo.

Remember when you did know what Ringo star was? You're like, yeah. Ringo. Yeah. It's just scaring at you, I can't believe we went to these lengths to pull back that moment. I, look, I'll never get over that. Okay. All right.

Shall we get to two jargons that lie? Hold on. There's a guy named Storm Duck, a cornerback. Storm Duck? What? I'm not 100% sure that he is. going to declare storm duck

storm duck I just saw it great name I'm trying to thank oh my god storm duck from boiling springs storm duck spoiling spring his Instagram is just storm duck

wow yeah there's siakaika who's the defense attack a lot of bailer he's got a great name Princeton has a wide receiver named andre iosovas something like that he's got some like sick name Sounds like a vampire.

Yeah, exactly. It sounds extremely intimidating. Felix. All right. Anu D.K. is UZoma from Kansas State. Another great name. I don't think Storm Duck is going to get beaten.

Storm Duck. Just him into Coldest Crawford. Those are the two guys. There's nothing else. Close to the man. All right. America's favorite segment, Two Jorgans and a Lie?

All right. Well, if you don't know, we've been doing two Jorgans of Lie for quite a while now because people like D.K., watching tape, just unironically used terms like sand and his pants. So here's the thing. Sometimes it's ironic.

We're running out of jargons here. So we're going to save a couple of the real scouting jargons, but I'm reached into the email here, and we got among my favorite jargon topics. We got like four of them from Michael. Michael. Hi, Michael. Michael.

This is incredible. Two college bowl games and a lie. Oh, I got this. It's made up bowl games. Okay. And we've got a few of these, actually. So are you guys ready? Two jargings are real, and one is made up.

All right. The Ace Cash Express Ohio Bowl. Jesus Christ. The Myrtle Beach Bowl and the roofclaim.com Boca Raton Bowl. First one. DK. What was the second one? Myrtle Beach?

It's the Ahechast Express, Ohio Bowl, the Myrtle Beach Bowl, and the roofclaim.com, Boca Raton Bowl. I'm positive that the roofclame. name dog, uh, bugger, a tone bowl is real. I'm 90, 91% sure Myrtle Beach is real. I've never heard of this Ohio bowl.

Nobody would, if you had a bowl and it would, in Ohio, you'd come up with a different thing to name it. You're like, and the feature is, it's in Ohio. That's just not, you can't,

the branding wise. That's unacceptable. Oh, man. This is tough. I'm trying to like cycle analyze the question asker, because the Myrtle Beach Bowl, the other two sounds so funny that They got to be real in my mind.

And then the Myrtle Beach Bowl is just kind of boring. So I'm going with Myrtle Beach Bowl, even though it might be. Soak is right. The Ace Cash, the Ace Cash Express, Ohio Bowl is fake. Ace Cash Express, that's pretty creative of the person who made that up. There's more of these because there's infinite. There's a, he also did the military industrial complex bowls and one lie. The Raytheon Freedom Bowl.

Jeez. The Lockheed Martin Armed Forces Bowl. and the military bowl presented by Periton. Peraton. What was the first one? The Raytheon Freedom Bowl, the Lockheed Martin Armed Forces Bowl, and the Military Bowl presented by Periton.

I'm going with the first one. I'm positive Lockheed Martin is real. Say the third one again? The military bowl presented by Periton. Paraton sounds like Peloton, but for tropical birds. parrots on. It sounds made up.

For ditch parrots. Yeah. I think it's the first one. I think it's the first one. Yes. Yeah, the Raytheon Freedom Bowl is fake. So many good ones. The Tony the Tiger Sun Bowl, the Franks Red Hot Bowl, or the Cheez-It Bowl?

Cheese-it's real. TCU versus Cal. They're like 19. Tony the Tigers is not a brand, though. Yeah. So I'm going first one. That's just a character. It's just a character.

character. Yo, that one's real. The Tony the Tiger Sun Bowl is real. It's not the Frosted Flakes Bowl. It's the Tony the Tiger Bowl. It's the Tony the Tiger Sun Bowl. That is the name of the ball. Okay. So wait, what was the fake one? The fake one was the Frank's Red Hot Bowl.

Oh. I got thrown out. They seem to sponsor a lot of things, so I thought that was real. The Sun Bowl is really formally called the Tony the Tiger Sun Bowl? Yes, that is the official name of the Sun Bowl. The Tony the Tiger Sun Bowl. I'm stunned. It's not even their brand. It's literally a character.

The two that started my obsession with this was the San Diego County Credit Union Ponsetable. That was always my favorite. That's a great one. And the tax slitherto.com. Oh my God. Our running business, we've known how advertising works. We do one more here. Yes, it is. The guaranteed low rate bowl. The Union Home Mortgage Gasparia Bowl.

Oh, that's real. I think is real. Bristol Meyer's squid bowl. Squid? Squib. Squibble. Squibb is fake. But, I will say, whoever put this together

really hit the nail in the head in terms of tone. Like, those sounds so real. Yeah. I'm going to agree with So like on this one. Yes, Bristol Myers Squibble is fake.

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thank you everyone for listening thank you Lauren Lord thank you Jimmy Buffett is he music artist God damn it Is he? Oh dear. No, that's a bit.

Jimmy Buffet. I thought he was, oh no, he is, okay. You ever heard of Margaritville? Well, you ever heard of Berkshire Hathaway? Emphatically, no. Jimmy Buffett. Half a second-you've heard of Jimmy Buffett, right?

I just thought, I just thought he was like a millionaire. I didn't know. Well, yeah. He gets 0.1% of all the buffets in the world. Yeah. See? Early adopter of buffets.

You know, he got in. And margaritas actually gets a commission because it's like I'd like to know the little trademark. Yeah. Well, that's good branding. That's how advertising works. There you go. Oh, my God.

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