The Ringer NFL Show - The Coolest Players in the Draft, Jameis to the Giants, and Magoon Gwath Enters the Portal

Episode Date: March 25, 2025

The guys go through the coolest guys in the draft! They talk about the blue-chip guys, DK’s favorite edge rushers and defensive linemen, sleepers, and more! They also talk about Jameis Winston signing with the Giants and how the top of the draft looks like it could go right now. Later, they read some emails and talk about Craig’s heartbreak over Magoon Gwath entering the transfer portal. DK’s favorite guys: - Blue-chippers: Travis Hunter, Ashton Jeanty, and Tetairoa McMillan - Gonna be household names: Tyler Warren, TreVeyon Henderson, and Omarion Hampton - Tweeners (edge rushers): Jalon Walker, Jihaad Campbell, and Josaiah Stewart - War daddies (defensive lineman): Alfred Collins and Kenneth Grant - Sleepers: Elic Ayomanor and RJ Harvey - Irrational love: Isaiah Bond and Tez Johnson CHAPTERS: Intro (00:00) Jameis to the Giants (03:20) Shedeur to the Browns? (16:58) Blue-chippers (24:47) Gonna be household names (29:58) Tweeners (45:05) War daddies (53:35) Sleepers (56:34) Irrational love (01:01:30) Emails (01:11:35) Magoon Gwath (01:31:37) Check out our 2025 NFL Draft Guide. Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Kai Grady and Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello there, friends of the program. It's Tate Frazier, and it's officially that special time of the year where we go on a March through Madness Together for the 85th edition of the NCAA tournament. What makes March so special, you ask? Well, it's the unknown. It's the fact that this is basically Survivor on a basketball court on CBS without Jeff Probst. And no matter how much you prepare, you can not predict this kind of chaos. And that is what we will be covering on this podcast, one shining podcast, all the madness,

all the David versus Goliath personified. It's the best show in town. The ball is tipped. And here you are with us. Come listen and join us wherever you get your podcast. Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy football show, a.k.a. the Ringer NFL Draft show, where my voice cracked.

And we're going to keep it because, you know what? It's just been that kind a week. I was on a wedding this weekend. I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Horelbeck. And today we were going over the coolest players in this year's draft, a.k. Danny Kelly's favorite players in the draft. Because D.K., the coolest players are your favorite players. And your favorite players are the coolest players.

I basically ranked by cool factor. Yeah. Especially on this podcast, probably not going to spend a ton of time talking about guards or, you know, potentially maybe cornerbacks. Some of the more boring players to talk about, I'd say.

Guards are not cool to you. They don't have the sex factor. Unless they smoke cigs or like, Quentin Nelson just like wearing like Gucci glasses or whatever. I will say almost put Tate Rattledge on because he has one of the thickest mullets you'll ever see in your life. That's kind of cool.

I compared him to Patrick Swayzey and Roadhouse. So he's pretty interesting But other than that You know maybe just stick with skill guys Exciting guys things like that Shwayze I don't know if he had the measurables for the league Yeah how tall was he like 5-5? No I don't know he was that short but he was short

He was Tess Johnson sized Yeah I feel like actors are always shorter than you think Yeah he probably had burst though short area quickness Some of the kicks Yeah the hair probably slowed him down though He would probably need to cut that They should have kicking Unless he was 510

He was actually at normal height I bet you he was actually 5-8, but yeah. They didn't have any way of it. With the hair, he was 5-10. Sure, sure. The feathered hair. All right, so the draft is actually one month from today. We're recording this Monday, March 24th.

The draft is Thursday, April 24th. It starts. So, reminder for new listeners, we actually, we're going to talk through the draft, through the draft, and after the draft, obviously, but we go the whole year. We know days off, where there's days off, but no weeks off. And we just, I mean, during the season,

we're doing four episodes a week. We're doing Sunday recap, so we're doing Monday, waivers. And like we do all August. We help everyone with your drafts. We're talking fantasy. We're talking NFL and other nonsense all years. So if you found us through draft season, stick with us. Follow us on Instagram, ring our fantasy football or TikTok, ringer fantasy football. And then live show in Chicago sold out. Thank you to everyone who got tickets. I care. I have zero idea if there's additional ones coming. So I apologize. I have no idea. But if you weren't able to make it. How about that? Yeah, we'll let you know. I don't know.

But thank you to everyone got tickets. We really appreciate it. Whoever wins our bracket, they'll give them a seat on stage next to us. An inner gentleman's pet club t-shirt. It's actually kind of a funny idea. They can't talk, though. No, Mike. No, Mike. Yeah, I like that.

So, yeah, a month from the draft, things are getting real. We're going to go through D.K.'s coolest favorite players. But first, we have to talk James Winston to the New York Giants. This is perfect. I don't know what's going to happen with this. I don't know if he's actually going to be the starter. You're going to have to tell me, like, what you think about this whole thing. But, man.

And we have not really spoken, the three of us that was like, I said this, the, the, the, the tweet like three days ago, nobody really responded. Hyphen's just at a wedding. We basically haven't discussed this at all. So Hyfitz, what is your reaction to this? Yeah.

I would rather have James for $4 million a year than Sam Darnold for 34. Hey. Why do you have to do that? I basically, I think my real take, my real take, well, I'm just being honest. That was rude.

No. Yeah. No, I would. I would. Yeah. What do you care? If you want to win games, no. Come on.

Absolutely not. I think my real take here, I am not. yet going to delude myself into what this is not, which eventually I will totally tell myself the Giants can make the playoffs to James Winston. My rational take right now

is the Mark McGuire. Do you want to know the deep, dark, disturbing truth? You want to James Winston sock some dingers? And I'm like, dangers! My actual take is, DK has been saying for eight years, the giants are the most boring team to watch in football,

and they don't score points. And the giants are officially no longer the most boring team to watch in football and they're going to score some points. That's my take. I don't know if it's better, but it's so different. Dude, James got Jerry Judy.

He put him on the map. He's like the number four receiver when James He literally put Jerry Judy on the map. Jerry Judy is relevant again because of six weeks with James Woodson. He made Cedric Tillman look like Nico Collins. I can't even imagine how many yards

and touchdowns Malik neighbors is going to have. James Winston actually starts. Malik Neighbors finished 7th in receiving yards last year in like 16 games. Or sorry, in 13 starts. Jerry Judy had more. Jerry Judy was six,

neighbors was seven. I actually think, and I don't know if James is going to start. Probably won't. But if James played 17 games, I think you could take Malik neighbors like the top five in fantasy. He's right there with Jason Jefferson.

I agree. Even if they suck. And also for a divo wide receiver or, you know, these guys, 200 targets has a great distraction from being a shitty team. I think put it this way. That'll keep a receiver happy.

We can have the season-long discussion in a second, but every week that James Winston and Malik neighbors are starting for the Giants, I think the only receivers you would put above Malik neighbors are like Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson. Like, if James is going to throw, he's going to throw for 300 yards a game. Factor in, like, let's say the Giants take Travis Hunter at three. And let's say James is the starting quarterback week one. You know, Bill always talks about the league pass teams, which is like the shitty teams that you kind of like,

watching. The Giants with James Winston, Malik Neighbors, and Travis Hunter would honestly be kind of a top five NFL Red Zone team just because of the electricity that the three of those would bring. 100%. Maybe this isn't, it's a fun fit. I don't know if it's a good favorite. It's a fun fit. And everyone's making the joke that the Giants can take Travis Hunter now because he can catch

the touchdowns from James Winston, but also when James throws a pick, Travis Hunter could go and get the ball back. It's perfect. Yeah. So overall, so again, their Giants are paying like, like, neighbors. James Winston, four million bucks here. It's like two years. million. He can go to 16 if you plays or whatever. It's backup quarterback money. Like, this is not to start.

Yeah, yeah. I think overall, they did this. Also, Carlos is producing it. I forgot, Carlos and I were at Media Night for the Super Bowl. And I forgot, we walked right by this as it was happening. James Winston was for Fox, interviewing Sequin. And he said, Seekwon, where should I sign? And Seekone was like, New York. And James is the only player that I would believe is like, I think that just stuck with him. He's the only player in the NFL. I'd be like, I think he just got that in his head from that thing. But I overall, I think the Giants did this because desperation and leverage, I guess it's the simplest way to say it. I think it makes the

giants need Aaron Rogers less. I think it makes the Giants need Russell Wilson less. I think it makes the Giants need to trade up with the Titans for Cam Ward less. I think it makes them need to trade up with the Browns for Shooter Sanders. Less. They still might do all of those things. Right. It doesn't rule the Giants out from any of those things, but they no longer have to do it because they can convince themselves and the fans that James was a number one player in entertaining. And worst case, he can start September

if they have a rookie quarterback. If they get a second round guy, if they get like a Jackson Dart with the 35th pick or whatever, like he can sit behind James. So they still can take Shadur. They still can take Cam Ward, but I think that they just have more options.

Yeah, and they did it in the cheapest way possible. They alleviated the desperation in the cheapest way possible. Isn't it kind of funny that if we did this pod, if we started this show 10 years ago, we would be talking about Ben Rothesberger, Russell Wilson in his prime, Eli Manning, and now we have Sam Darnold,

James Winston, and got 49-year-old Aaron Rogers. I think it's Rogers, dude, I will say, I do think... Craig, what's the Steve Jobs, something,

like they took, you know, now we got no jobs. We used to have Steve Jobs, Johnny Cash, and Bob Hope, and now we got no cash, no jobs,

and no hope. Thank you. That's us. That's this fucking podcast. I will say I'm a little disturbed how quickly I was like yeah this is the best signing

anyone's made all off season like fandom's a disease I'm looking at his career I'm looking at his pro football reference page he had 5,100 yards 33 touchdowns and 30 picks in 2019 legend you say that again

that sounds insane of all time the 30 for 30 year 30 for 30 it's like you know you mentioned Barry Bonds or whatever or Mark McGuire early on it's like no one's going to no one's

No one's going to go into the 50-50 club after whatever. 30 for 30 and 30, that's never going to be reached. It's just so much of everything. It's like an all-you-can-eat-sushi buffet. It's like a good deal, but then you also leave feeling like shit, but you're also satisfied because you got a great, you know, you ate 100 pieces of sushi. I don't know who wins, but it's a fun time.

It's a fun time out at the bar. Like the wedding I was at this weekend, amazing time, some of the best memories of my life. I also, I just wanted to die at various points during the weekend. So I, but I think I, there's no way. He's not starting this year. Do you think if he plays, Dave Ball can kind of make it work?

I feel like James, James with Stefansky was, I feel like Stifancy, the Minnesota scheme he came from, Stefansky wants more of like a game manager type, and that's kind of the offense he runs. Dayball's in the business of like breaking in stallions, you know, like Josh,

Josh Allen and Buffalo, it's like he made Daniel Jones work. Can't throw? He's kind of better with the loose cannons, right? Like maybe, do you think he's actually a better fit with James than James was in Cleveland? I do in a lot of ways because,

one, again, Josh Allen, I would say Josh Allen had some similarities to James and Buffalo and Brian Dable was the coordinator of Buffalo. I think overall, I kind of thought this might happen just because James has to go to an offensive head coach. He can't go play for Mike Tonlin. All the defensive coaches, they all care about turnovers, but the defensive coaches care way more about turnovers than the offensive ones. And so James has to play for an offensive head coach.

And so there's two kinds. There's like, when James was Sean Payton in New Orleans, which I think did form him, where Sean Payton was like, we're going to just, you know, it was, why am I forgetting King of Queens? what's his last thing? Kevin James. Kevin James and Hitch, he was like, stay in the strike zone. And he just was like, we're going to take down 70% of what you do, James, and you're going to like do Drew Bree's cosplay. And that's it. And so James was not James, but he also didn't turn it over as much.

Then Cleveland, it was kind of back to the Tampa Bay version of, you know what, James, we want you to be you. And you're going to do like podcasts and you're going to just rip it. And you're going to have 497 yards and four touchdowns and four picks or whatever on money in football. And you're like, we're going to live and die by the sword. And I think that's what I'm curious to see what the Giants do. my gut is they're going to live and die by the sword. I don't think Brian Daeble, he's 31. I don't think they're going to change who he is.

He is what he is. In all serious, this, I don't think this change as much for the Giants. I still think they kind of drafted quarterback in the first three picks. I would like Travis on her, but I think they take Shitter Sanders. We'll see, and we could get into how this changes the draft. But overall, I do think this is a good siding. Like, at the end of the day, James Winston is a top 35 quarterback in the NFL. He's $4 million.

Like, how much is, like, Justin Tucker making the season? Maybe that's a bad example. But like, I don't know. That guy's making like four million. These kickers are making $4 million. There are punters making almost this much. Like, if he can start, I will watch the football game and have fun. I'm not going to be upset about it.

He's like the cheapest quarterback that you could envision getting hot and beating any team in the league. Yeah. When the Giants play the Chiefs, I'm going to be like, yeah, we got it. We got a shot. I think just for some context of like what the difference is from what you're getting, what you've had the last couple years compared to what you're getting in James Winston. And so the great example, the platonic ideal, not really the platonic ideal, but the best season that Daniel Jones had, the season that got him a big new contract

and whatever kind of screwed up the Giants long term, he had 15 touchdowns throws in 16 games. James had 13 and 7 games last year. James, it's like he's just so different in every way to Daniel Jones. It's going to be hilarious. But yeah, it will be fun. At the very least, it'll be fun to watch all. offensively. Sometimes on the road to better,

you just need something different. Don't let perfect get in the way of good. Don't let perfect get in way of entertaining. I think that's kind of what we're doing. He might have the highest approval rating in the league for a quarterback that kind of objectively stinks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And yeah, and it's kind of controversial.

There's layers there too. Yeah, there's a lot going on. So, DK, how does this change your view of the draft? Because, again, so teams that still need quarterbacks, and again, I think the Giants are now two-thirds needing a quarterback. At least unlike the Steelers, like they actually have some. Like the Giants of Jamis, the Steelers have. Thielers have Mason Rudolph.

Mason Rudolph, God. So you have the Titans. He would be fine going into the season with Mason Rudolph as his start. Well, that's kind of, because Mike Tomo would be fine with it. And that's kind of the Steelers' whole problem is Mike Toml would be fine with it. So the Titans have, like, no one a quarterback other than like Brandon Allen and Will Levis. The Browns still have like Deshawn Watson and now Kenny Pickett. And the Giants have James Winston.

And then the Steelers are there at 21 and have Mason Rudolph. So those are the four teams, the three top three teams in the draft. bottom three teams of the NFL. And the Steelers are the teams that, like, still need the quarterbacks and musical chairs. And the chairs are Aaron Rogers, Russell Wilson, Kirk Cousins via a trade, Sharderf Sanders and Cam Ward. D.K., how, gun to your head right now,

what is the top four picks in this year's draft? Titans are going first. I think it's going to be Cam Ward to the Titans, Shadur, to the Browns, and Travis Hunter to the Giants. And Abdul Carter. And then Abdul Carter to the Patriots. That's sort of like the chalk top four right now,

at least in terms of what people are expecting, sort of what is being whispered about. Obviously, things can change. There's a month till the draft, and I'm sure a million things will change. But right now, that's what everyone feels is pretty likely to happen. So I don't think it really, it doesn't really change anything with the draft.

I think the Giants maybe made this signing. The timing is kind of interesting from the point of view that the week that I felt like every, decided it was Cam Ward and Shudor 1-2 is the week that the Giants decided to sign James Winston. I don't know if that's a coincidence or if it's just whatever how the off-season goes,

but if the Giants felt like, uh, we're probably not going to get Shudder or probably not going to get Cam. We got to get us a guy who could in reality start for us this year. By the way, is Drew Locke still a free agent? I don't know if he's signed anywhere. He's not under contract with the Giants.

Yeah, I think he's a free agent still. I forgot about him. But no, he's, I mean, he's dead to me. I mean, he's shy and first pick of his draft. I think even though it's probably not what actually happened, you could read a little bit into the timing of the James Winston signing. Well, also it happened around when Aaron Rogers was reported to be in the Steelers building. And so he was visiting, which I still don't know what's going on with that.

Part of me doesn't know if Rogers' conscious brain is deciding and subconsciously loves the attention. I wonder if he is waiting till after the draft because he's like, this is the last bit of juicy he has to decide and he doesn't want to get Kirk Cousins where he'll like sign somewhere. Right. And then, like, if he signs it, say, I'm making shit up Tennessee, and then the draft cam ward, that's like the obvious one. But I think Rogers maybe doesn't want to go to Pittsburgh and then Pittsburgh trades up or so, I don't know. And they get Scher.

Or Scherr falls to Pittsburgh. You know. Yeah. And Shudor just goes to Pittsburgh at 21 and Rogers is like, wait, am I going to get bench? So maybe he's waiting for that. And he wants them, the team to need him more than they, that he needs them. Or maybe he just really loves this last bit of leverage you will hold over like, perhaps that he's maximizing potentially his last bit of relevancy ever. maybe it's all the above.

It's probably all the above. I don't love how desperate Pittsburgh seems in this whole situation. Like every day you're reading like, yep, there's an offer out there. The Steelers are waiting by the phone every night for Aaron Rogers to call. It's really weird. I kind of want to talk to more like coach people in my life and ask, at what point does not having the quarterback, the veteran quarterback, start to bug you? Because like what, not up, no shit, Sherlock, like having a veteran quarterback gives you, like,

advantage under the season. But it's not just the experience, it's the timing. If you're getting a veteran quarterback on March 12th and you're getting a rookie quarterback on April 26th, like, that's six extra weeks where you're a veteran quarterback and you're getting all this, like, you know, he's learning the playbook. He can fly the receivers out. You're getting stuff. I'm like, at some point, you're losing like months of prep, which is pretty annoying. Yeah, but Rogers also doesn't prep during training camp. He's in Egypt. So it doesn't matter. That's a good point. Yeah, I don't know what I'm talking about. Good point. I don't even know what I'm talking about.

So overall, do you agree with that correct? Do you agree with what D.K.'s saying that like, do you think shoulda goes to the Browns? Because my gut, and I, D.K.'s rattled be a little bit where I think he's right that, you know, there was the whole thing, Miles Garrett, Andrew Siciliano, he used to be the Red Zone guy in NFL Network there. He works with the Cleveland Browns. And he did a really good job actually following up and be like, Miles Garrett, you resigned and you kind of said, you know the quarterback plan now? And he was like, yeah. And they're like, will he tell us?

He's like, no. And so it's kind of like, did they tell him they take Shudder? And so on one hand, I could see Miles Garrett being pretty satisfied. about A, a trade-up to number one with Campbell Ward. I could see Miles Garrett being satisfied about sticking Pat and, like, taking Shitter Sanders and the Dion Sanders experience. I could not see Miles Garrett being excited about Kirk Cousins, which is kind of what I thought would happen.

What else is he going to be excited about? Aaron Rogers? Russell Wilson? No. Yeah, I don't, Russ. Russ and Kirk Cousins is not getting Miles Garrett's blood going. I don't know about Russ. The money is there.

The money thing is cool. Yeah, yeah. But he did imply he knew the quarterback thing. So I guess I still kind of feel on my bones. that Dion has privately communicated to the Browns. And this is not informed. I'm just like, I just feel like Dion's like, I want my son to play with the New York Giants or the Pittsburgh Steelers,

but not the Mike Tomlin, not the Cleveland Browns. Or do you think it's what D.K's saying where with the, what are you, your captain overthinking over here, like Shadur is probably just going to be picked by the team that is the number two pick and the dad isn't going to just talk them out of it. I think I actually lean closer to what D.K. is selling, to be honest. I think that from the Brown's perspective,

look, if you want to change the narrative of the team and the franchise, getting Shador in there and having the Dion Shador hype train come in town, I think like immediately reshapes how you perceive Cleveland as a city. Like it immediately becomes kind of cool, like what LeBron did to the Cavs, you know? Like there is that angle to it that like regardless of he deserves to go number two overall from a talent standpoint, just getting him in the building does kind of shield the Deshaun Watson disaster in a sense.

Oh, yeah. But I don't know, you know, whether Deon lets that happen or not, is it a separate question. but I actually see why the Browns had watched to are in the building from just a narrative perspective. That's all the good point too because I remember Kevin Clark back in the day for the ringer

wrote the story about the Browns doing the process. Remember they did the process with the rebuild like the Sixers did and the old GM John Dorsey who took over, he was kind of like the Calangelo of the Sixer. He took over the middle after they were so bad and he told Kevin that like they signed Jarvis Landry

for way too much money because when you're that shitty you have to pay a tax for other free agents to like take you seriously. as a team, you need a vet. That's like, O'Dell is like laundering, receiver reputation for the Ravens. Right. It's like if Chris Pratt's going to do the electric state movie on Netflix, he's going to need $50 million to do because he knows it's going to be terrible. Literally, exactly the same thing. Yeah. Exactly the same thing.

And so I do think you're right that Dion is kind of like, basically, if we're being honest, Shadur either works out of Kevin Stefanski, but if your ownership or GM, you're kind of like the worst thing that happens if this is a disaster, Dion Sanders, comes to coaches the goddamn team, which is my fear for the Giants, too, is if the Giants takes shit, to Dior and it doesn't work out. I think Dion's going to have to go, Dion's going to want to come coach his son, which is weird.

Yeah, yeah. If I'm the Browns, like if I was running the Browns, if I was Andrew Barry, I would want Shador. I don't want Kirk Cousins and I have two total Achilles tendons among my two quarterbacks

that I'm paying a zillion dollars to. I would want Shador and try to wipe, wash away all the shit that we've dealt with for the last three or four seasons and start fresh with this exciting new young player. Correct. But like,

you've got to close that chapter and Kirk Cousins ain't going to close it. I think, DK, you're right, that I still think at the end of the day, the Browns won a quarterback. Like, I just think that you're the number two pick. It's so rare to get up there. Right.

And frankly, I think that, I think all three of these teams at the top are in the same, are similar boat. The Giants are obviously, like, they're going to get fired if they don't have progress.

I think the Browns are pretty close. I think, like, I think Andrew Barry, the energy vampire and Kevin's the fancy the Brown's coach, which is funny because he won't coach

of the year twice, but Jimmy has on the owner there is so volatile that like, if they're bad again, I think they could lose. And then Titans, Brian Callahan, I know it's like his second season, but I'm like, if you have the worst record in the NFL, I don't give a shit.

Like, you're in the hot seat and you're too. I heard Mick Shea talking about this last week, I think. And he brought up some good points, too, about like why the Sanders family, why Dion would allow Shudur to go to the Browns. Like in this theoretical world where the Browns were notched off the list of teams that he's allowing his son to go, if you look at the way that they're doing it, the Browns are high enough in the jury. draft where that might like just immediately put them on the list.

You know what I mean? He's going to be the second overall pick. You get more money when you're the second overall pick. So why is Shadur at the comp, serious question? Why is Shadirat the combine sowing the seeds of like, I don't care where I go? Every hot top prospect is that I, and the NFL is protecting himself from potentially falling on draft night being embarrassed. Or the theoretical answer to that question is he already knows he's going to Cleveland.

And he was talking to these other teams. He was like, why am I even here? This is like pointless. I know I'm going number two to the Browns. Hmm. Yeah. This is like, this is the draft, like, people are reading different tea leaves and trying to put it all together. Obviously, this is not, none of this is set in stone or anything, but like putting together the Miles Garrett thing with some of the reports, you know, and McShea was reporting this, like coming out of the combine that he didn't seem like that interested in these teams.

And, you know, putting all these different clues together, I think you can build an argument that the Browns have already told them that he's. they're taking him, assuming he's there at two. And again, circling back, I'm probably wrong no matter what, because even if I'm quote unquote right that Dion wants the Browns to not take Shudor, you know what the charges did when Archie Manning did that? They took him anyway. They took them and sold him for three first round picks. So they'd probably do it anyway, but to your point...

I mean, look, yeah, and I don't, I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying I think we have to accept the idea that it's possible for sure. And I want to go a step further. I actually think Sheter would do pretty well on the Browns. I think Shadur and his Defansky offense actually would succeed. The Fanski is known for developing courts. You know, he's, I think that they're going to get back to trying to have like a really run heavy balanced, you know, and they have good pieces on defense. In theory, apart from the fact that it's the Browns, this is a pretty decent spot to land as a quarterback, as a rookie quarterback because of you have the potential to be like a good run game.

You have a good quarterback developer. And Stefanski, look, he said, he's won the courts of the year twice. Think about that. Like, that's kind of wild. And, you know, you're landing in a situation where the coaching aligns with like the style that you want to play. style that fits him well. I don't know. It could be worse other than the fact that it's the Browns

and they have this long history of fucking up the quarterback position. How do we feel that the biggest and biggest win of the Browns in my lifetime was when Kevin Stefanski was not there because he had COVID during the draft game of the Steelers? That's the only thing with him where I'm like, it's so weird to like get a sample size of like, yeah, the coach wasn't there and it was like their best game ever. And he wasn't even allowed to like communicate with the coach. No, right?

No, which is a funny quirk of NFL rules. They have like such strict quote, You gotta be in the building. Yeah, the technology on the sidelines. They have like all these rules because, you know, teams try to cheat. So he, like, he couldn't call anyone. He wasn't allowed to do anything. He just watched it all the front of.

So he just stayed at home and he watched his, his family was upstairs. He watched in the basement alone. He said he left his phone with his family and he just watched on the couch, which is like such a unique, like, such a unique human experience. That would be the first question I asked him is what was that like? They should have had, you know, in like modern family that episode where they have Phil Dumphy on an iPad on like a little like robo? stick driving around the kitchen.

That's what they should have had. Kevin's fancy on the sideline just as an iPad head. Yeah. Standing there watching the game. The surrogate from the rest of development. With like the camera on his head. That's going to be the no context for this episode.

We should have a list of things of like we actually really, you know, all the people come through and do the boring interviews. We should have a list of ones we actually want to hear someone talk about. I want to get to now to the D.K.'s favorite players in the draft. And I have to tell you, if there's One thing I love about DK's draft coverage is like, I think DK understands more than a lot of people that like, what a vibe is.

Like, DK understands what vibes translate from, like, DK, the first player he told me about two years ago is like, dude, this Achan kid just gets the blood bump. Fucking Achan.

Like you were like, Jay Chan's my favorite. You were like, I don't know if this is responsible to say publicly, but I think he's my favorite player I've ever watched. D.K. claims he doesn't know how advertising works, but he knows.

He's a marketer at heart. He's selling sex here. So he knows what's good. It's not. Sex sells. So with that said, DK, we asked for your list of favorite guys. And honestly, it's literally just a copy paste of the coolest players in the draft. So we can start with the obvious names since the guys who talked about.

And we're going to go into, like, you know, less obvious. But I bucketed. I bucketed my favorite players slash the coolest players into a bunch of buckets. The first was the blue chippers, the a.k.a. the obvious guys. The Holy Trinity of Travis Hunter from Colorado, Ash and Gentie from Boise State, Boise State and Ted McMillan from Arizona. I only other thing I want to say, just Travis Hunter, who we've talked about a lot. But you know what?

I don't care. is like my favorite player ever. I just want to remind people he won the Heisman trophy. And we almost haven't talked about this enough. Travis Hunter won the Bolitnikoff Award for the most outstanding receiver in the country this season and also won the Bednarc Award for the best defensive player in the country,

which somehow doesn't get talked about enough. But he was named the best receiver and the best defensive player last year. And the other thing I want to say, Ashton Jentia, it does not get talked to that. You ever just think about that? Like, I don't know. I just, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

It's pretty freaking wild. If the draft goes the way you guys say, I, if the Giants get to choose between Travis Hunter and Abdul Carter, I'm going to be doing victory. I'm going to be so, I'll be the most excited I've been about the Giants in years. Both are great players. Yeah.

Ashton Jentee, the running back in a Boise State. I don't love them as much as a high draft pictures because there's so many running backs, but as a player, a one-of-one college experience, I think he was actually more of a phenomenon than even Sequin was at Penn State. But Heisman runner up, and again, something we actually can say more. The second most rushing yards for any college football player ever in his season,

literally 27 yards shy of Barry Sanders' single-season record at Oklahoma State, which Ashen Gentie. He had the bowl game, so it's a little bit. But still, second most ever in his season. And also the other one, D.K., you said this to me earlier this season. The most rushing yards in college football this season, obviously was Ashen Gentie. The second most was Ashton Genty after contact. Got that.

That's the craziest stat. That's going to be like, Craig, what is it, the log line or whatever? That's like something you got to put on every, like, a piece of journal, or a piece of, like, media. about this guy ever. More yards after contact than any other running back had, period, in college football. It is a sport where everyone knew every week, we just got to stop this guy. No one could.

D.K., how do you feel about the criticism of he's playing in the Mountain West? Yeah, good question. Not playing against a lot of NFL players. I mean, that's valid. It's something that you have to include in the equation. But I think when you watch him play, everything that he does is so translatable to the NFL, the way he, like, jump cuts, the way he can bounce off contact. And I think maybe the reason he's not considered,

or at least by some people, to be like in the same tier as like an Adrian Peterson or Saquan. I don't think he's quite as explosive as those guys were. And that might be sort of where the Mountain West, you know, opponents come into play where it's like... There's always other great.

It's like Sequin, Penn State, Bejohn, Texas. Adrian Peterson went to Oklahoma. Like, these are all guys in big power conferences. Right. So maybe like the defenders aren't quite as fast. Well, no, Craig's question mark. Wait, wait, Craig's question. question gave me an ick about Ashen Gently. Okay. I'm going to just teleport you to the future.

And I'm coming back. And I'm like, bad news, D.K., I'm not, Ash and Genty is halfway between Kyle Pitts and Brock Bowers. He is not a bust. He's not incredible. He is fine. A really good, he's the fourth best running back in this class. And fourth best in his class? In this class, yeah. Oh, wow. He's okay. It's not like Kyle Pitts. We're like, oh, my God, like this, I hate this guy. He just is fine. And then we go back and we're reassess and we're like, well, the running back after Ash and Genti wasn't incredible, but he was actually really good and also led the league in rushing. And what if maybe, kind of like March Madness, which is one year, you never know a trend, the mid-majures were trade of talent, NIL, it's actually more dispersed at the top.

It's like the top guys can't bury talent. What if it actually turns out, much like Dalton Kincaid at Utah, perhaps over-indexed on horrible defenses in the Pac-12 that made him look better by comparison, maybe none of these guys Ash and Genti played could tackle? I don't think that's true, but I did occur to. me that as Craig said it, does it make you pump the brakes just a little? Does it scare you that San Diego State held Ashen Genti to under four yards per carry?

Does that scare you? Well, that's the counter I was going to come up with for defending Genti is like he was the guy that defenses had to like key in on this one guy and he's still fucking produced insane numbers. The log line in addition to the contact thing is just someone tweeted this. I can't find it. Every time someone tackles Ash and Jente tries to, they look like they got electrocuted. and like I actually think contact balance is as good

of a translation as anything. So those are the obvious guys. Was that us talking about Battlebot Minotar? Maybe. Oh, that was one of the reasons I think compared him to Minotaur. It's the electrician thing. This one I actually think should go up

with blue chippers. The other person you said was Tyler Warren for Penn State. Sure. We've talked about a lot. 95 overall in college football 25, which part of me is wondering if Rick Johnson just stored it by overalls

would that be a good board? Yeah. Tyler Warren, do you don't think he's a blue chipper the Penn State tied end? I mean, I guess he is. Well, stay. Stick to your take. Okay, don't let him, fuck me.

If he's not a blue chipper, he was not a blue chipper. Give me your categories. Literally the process here was like I threw out some names, and Craig was like, I don't know if we've talked about Tyler Warren enough. Let's like to talk about him. So the original three guys were going to be Hunter, Gentie McMillan. We've already talked about them a lot. We ended up talking about him a lot anyway.

So, you know, that's what happens. But I wanted to talk about Warren a little bit more. I think he is considered a blue chip player because unlike a lot of tight ends coming out of out of college right now. It's like he can block. He has the size, physicality, the want to, you know, to block in line. So he could, in theory, become a true Y tight end at the next level.

He's getting some kiddle comps. I don't know if I necessarily go that high in terms of like what I'd be comparing him to. But man, this guy's a lot of fun. And I think he has a chance. And this is where I categorized him, categorized him. The immediately going to be household names in the NFL category, category here. And I think Tyler Warren is at the top of that list. I think we're going to see him immediately wherever he lands.

He's going to be someone that is utilizing the offense a lot. The cool thing is he's used as a running back a lot in college. So he's got like the Taseom Hillness to him, which is fun. He can do everything. He can catch, run, throw. He throws it sometimes. He snaps the ball. That crazy USC catch he had.

He actually snapped the ball in that play and then ran down and then caught the ball around the guy. I mean, his production last year was insane. 104 catches for 1,200 yards and 8 touchdowns plus 200 plus yards and four touchdowns. running the ball, which I think is just so rare to see at the tight-end position. When I think of Tyler Warren, the play that comes to mind, and this is going to sound, this might not even sound like a compliment to him because it's such a simple play, but like when he just leaks out into the flat and the Penn State quarterback, whose name, I'm forgetting, Drew Ayer, what's his name, Drew?

Yeah, Aller. Aller. When like nothing's open, he'll just turn and hit Tyler Warren, who's just like kind of standing there in the flat, and he has like 10 yards to go, and there's three guys in front of him. And he just bowls over all three and gets the first down and falls down. It's just like, he catches the ball standing still, turns and looks, and he has eight yards to go and there's two guys in front of him, and every time he gets the first down.

And that's where Lance Zerlind and NFL Network had the comp. I'm jealous of that he's like Jeremy Shockey with the hair and everything. And like, that's the shocky vibe. And again, he had the most catches in the game for Tiddin and the FBS for like 40 years. The other thing I saw, so NFL Combine, the NFL Combine said it's amazing now. Shout out Mike Bannon and Kagan Abbey, who like, built that thing out. And they have like production score going back for like 20 years. And they have a bunch of,

of way better stats now. But they have production scored back to like 2003. Tyler Warren is like 98th percentile. Not among tight ends. Like among just all players. The only tight end ahead of Tyler Warren in college production as it translate to the NFL is Brock Bowers.

That's the only player ahead of him. That doesn't mean that him and Bowers are like once. There's a big difference actually between 99th percentile and 98th actually. But dude, Tyler Warren is there. There's the production, the play style, the size. He's 6-6-2-60. He's huge.

He genuinely looks very. tall out there. Like a lot of these good tight ends and like, you know, Sam Laporte is like 6-2, 6.63. Tyler Warren genuinely looks like the tallest guy on, on an offense. And this is why I'm compared. This is where I came with my comp, it's like, if they're zeroing it on the huddle, his head's like out of the screen. There's something about his legs. He's so big. He has a kind of skinnier, long legs. He just looks very large out there. Yeah, he's just larger than life. Second in the FBS in yards after the catch and in mistackles force, according to PFF. He had 21 contested catches last year.

He just towers over dudes and he has really good body control. Former quarterback, I think he played basketball. So he's just got, you know, that multi-sport, multi-position athleticism where he's just like a good football player. And yeah, I think he's, I certainly think you could put him in the blue chip thing. I just kind of wanted to talk about him a little bit more. So I didn't put him in there. And he's from Mechanicsville, Virginia. Do you think early frontrunner?

This is like so blue collar. Early front runner. name the mechanic Tyler Warren, the mechanic? Oh, the mechanic is good. You guys know I've been to Mechanicsville a lot, right? You mentioned that on the Bob, right? Mechanicsville is near Richmond, Virginia.

Shout out Richmond. So I actually, because Craig's mentioned this before, and I kind of saw that you had written down Mechanicsville. So I prepared a game for you. Oh. Three towns near Richmond, Virginia, or sorry, two towns near Richmond, Virginia, and a lie. Inspired by mechanics.

These are places I've been. I just read. Sorry. Two places I've been near Richmond and a lie. Central Garage. Okay. Okay. But port.

Please spell it. But, like, how you think? But, U-T-T-T, port, one word. Okay. Goochland. Okay. No grundle. Central Garage, but port, Goochland.

I think they're all towns. Yeah, did you, is one of these actually fake or no? Yes. Okay. I think Central Garage is real. There's no way Goochel. Land is real. I know, because Hyvitz definitely saw either the Gooch one or the butt one and then made up the other.

It's my read on this. Ken confirm, that's what happened. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can tell. Goochland. I'm going to say Goochlandish-Make. Goochland is real. Damn it!

I've been to Goochland. Justin Verlander is from Goochland, Virginia. What? Justin Verlanderlander is from Goochland. They say, I said Goochland? Goochland. If I said Guchland, everyone yelling at me from Richmond, hold up. I know it's pronounced Guchland, but if I said Guchland, they would have knew that was fake.

Okay, so is central garage fake? Central Garage is real. It's a butt port. But Port I like that it's not Guchland, it's Guchland. Justin Vrelina went to Guchland High School. Gugland is the classy version of Guchland. Guchland. Please.

My father was Gutsland. Call me Guchland. Oh, my God. So anyway. Yeah. So shout up mechanic. Tyler, the mechanic, Warren is pretty good. The mechanic plays. All right.

D.K., who are the other, the way you described, immediately going to be household name guys. Yeah, the other two guys, I think that you could put in this category. Travian Henderson, the running back from Ohio State. Good chance he's a first rounder. And then Omari and Hampton from North Carolina. I feel like there is a thing in the draft, Intelligentsia, where you're supposed to pick between these two.

I'm supposed to have a favorite. I like them both, I like them both exactly the same. and I'm going to put them right next to each other. You don't discriminate. You're a polyamorous scouter. They're both awesome. They're both very different, by the way, too. Like, everywhere I see it, it's like you have to like have a favorite or whatever.

Amar and Hampton, I think is everybody's favorite right now other than Genty. But I'm like, dude, Trayvionand Henderson is so fucking good, too. We got to, we just got to keep Trayvion and Henderson in the conversation. That's all because I think Hampton has taken over as the clear cut RB2 in this class. He definitely has. I feel like he's inching closer to Gentie than he is to the next guy below him. Exactly. So this is where I'm, this is where I'm.

this is where I get on my soapbox. I'm like Trayvon Henderson is really good too. I also very much like O'Marion Hampton. But let's start with Henderson because I think they're very different styles of players. They're basically like Henderson. Let's just put it this way because these are the two top of the guys that are sort of at the top of the game right now, the Detroit running backs, Gibbs and Montgomery. Stylistically, Trayvon Henderson is Gibbs.

Omarian Hampton is Montgomery. Hampton's like a three-down back, a bruiser, just breaks a ton of tackles, you know, can have a ton of volume, just a really, really good all-around player guy that can carry, you know, a ton of volume for your offense, whereas Henderson is more of like a complimentary back, and that's not necessarily like a bad thing. He's very explosive. He's got a ton of juice as a runner. He has great vision, acceleration, and a ton of passing game value. He's really good as a pass protector. I think coaches are going to trust him immediately to go in there on third down and like do his job. There's so many examples of him just picking up guys as blitzers and like protecting the

quarterback. Everything I've heard about him. He's like the best guy ever. Yeah. People love him. He's a team captain. He came back for that out of state. So Michigan brought all the guys back for that title run. Blake Coram went back to school. Ohio State brought all the guys back and then kind of dipped in a free agency with NIL and brought in Quinshaw Judkins. And they called Henderson before. And they were like, hey, we know you just paid you to come back and be the guy, but like, do you mind of bringing another running back? A lot of guys would be mad. Henderson was like, I want to win a title. And like, that matters when you're in the And, like, think about the Montgomery Gibbs thing.

It's like Sonic and Knuckles. Like, they spend time together. Like, there's a relationship. It's not a competitive thing, which you get sometimes with it. They don't want to share trade secrets. Rathesburgers are the world. Like, Rothesburg, where he doesn't want to help a backup quarterback. Like, you want guys like that.

Henderson was a captain. And like, like, the other thing he has, like Gibbs that I think you're right about D.K. Is that what was the knock on Gibbs coming to college? Can he run between the tackles? I think that's the question with Henderson. You know who's like getting way better at running between the tackles is Jemir Gibbs. I think if Henderson learns that, it's like a three down back. Well, and he was that in early on in his career.

Like he had a, I think he was a sophomore or a freshman. He had a ton of volume and put up incredible numbers. And then as his career went on, they realized I think he's just better a little bit when they have sort of a one-two punch in their offense. And that was why they went and brought in Judkins. And so, yeah, I think he's just a really good football player. I'm really excited to see where he lands. I think if they utilize, if the team that he lands with,

if they utilize him in the passing game, they're going to immediately get a really, you know, explosive contributor in the passing game as well. I just think he's one of those backs. He's extremely trustworthy. And again, don't lose sight of the fact he's really explosive to. So I just like him a lot. So that's Trevion Henderson for Howestate.

Now, Omerian Hampton at UNC. Yeah. You have, we're at NFLDraft.3.com. Dek has his draft guide. I'll have team needs coming soon, like within a couple weeks. And, D.K., your shades of your comparison for Omerian Hampton is one of those motorcycle drag racer things. you ever watched the motorcycle drag racing?

I have not really, but I've seen highlights of it. I don't actually know what you're talking about. That's how I feel about Marion Hampton. I haven't really seen it about some highlights. You know the motorcycles that have like the big thing on the back to make sure you don't like completely just like flip over backwards when you hit the gas? Is that what it's for? Oh, yeah, I do.

I think. I don't know. Anyway, the bottom line is he has insane acceleration. When I watch those races, I'm like, the acceleration's incredible. And I think when you watch Hampton, the first thing that comes to my mind is just incredible, accelerator where he can literally just be stopped. Like maybe there's a four or five guys in front of him. You know, he's kind of caught in a jumble.

The blocking didn't really hold up and then he stops. But then when he hits the gas, it is unreal, like the type of acceleration that he has to run away from defenders, make them miss. There's been so many times on his tape where you're thinking, oh, he got bottled up, about ready to flip to the next play. And then all of a sudden he like squirts out of the group of people. He's just like still going. there's so many of those plays where he just second effort. And like I said, acceleration, tackle breaking. He's like the perfect body type to be a lead runner in the NFL, like really compact, really muscular, huge legs.

So he's a really, really exciting prospect as well. I like both of these guys a ton. I think Hampton's probably at this point going to get picked earlier. He may get more volume early in his career. But yeah, he has just like that nitrous oxide accelerator juice that I really love in a running back. I found myself kind of falling in love with Omerian Hampton, the more I, like, watch him. He kind of just always runs like he's falling forward. Like, he can't be hit backwards.

He's just like a straight line, one-cut runner, but he is always, like, knocking dudes on their ass. He kind of reminds me of Jonathan Taylor. It's like he almost doesn't have the best vision. He kind of just runs into dudes and bounces off of them. Right, right. I can see that. But I found myself turning into John Gruden watching him a little bit. I was like, my head was kind of starting to nod back and forth.

and my eyes are widening, and I was like, man. I do really like this guy. He's also good as a receiver. I would be very into him on my football team. I hope to see him draft him. The other cool thing, so on that note is I think RFK Jr. was a huge fan of Arminampton. Can we play the clip of RFK Jr.

Scouting our Marion Hampton earlier this week? I don't know if people served this. Hold on. It's going to take a drink. It's allergy season, you know, so I got a sore throat. It should make it better. That's true. A Marion Hampton out of North Carolina,

underrated receiver, explosive player. A one-cut runner, parenthesis, complimentary. It's just painful to listen to it. It's horrific. It's absolutely spine tinkling. He'll say he is compared to Joe Mixin, but I actually don't like that comp. I think he's faster than Nixon.

All right, that was, I regret playing the clip. Thank you, Craig. Also, just one fumble. I do respect to RFK's in the lab, though. RFK is grinding tape these days. Well, he's not in the lab. He's certainly not in the lab. I think we can rule out.

He's never spent a moment at a fucking lab. He's in his own lab in his basement. He's doing his own fucking research. He is. 95 overall in college football 25 for Omeringhampton. I kind of left it out. I like that you're including that. That's funny.

Look, D.K's out of here watching tape. I'm playing with Omeranhampton in the game. I'm like, yeah, this guy accelerates really well. You still playing that? Is that game still popular or was that a flash in the pan? No, it was sick. Basically, some of the diehard, like, look, you're never going to please people. You put out a Star Wars movie.

You're never going to please, like, you know, the most crazy people. Some people, like, one, begging for 20 years, for the game, you get it. People complain. For the most part, I think it's exactly what people wanted, which is a representative and addicting revival. And, like, there's a lot of features they still need to add, realistically. There was only so much they could do. I think they did a great job.

I'll admit, I'm not a diehard of how it was in the day. as someone who just wanted to play it, I actually had a great time it got me back into video games. The only games I played was like I play Breath of the Wild with Jackie. I read Dead Redemption. I don't play like a ton of games,

but what I get, I got addicted to the recruiting. Not going to lie, it's being incredible. Shout out North Texas, mean green, took him to the Natty. The one last thing on Hampton.

Please. You mentioned yards after the, yards after contact for Gentie. Number two in the college football was Hampton. One thousand, 222 yards after contact. Dude, Hampton's fucking good.

He's also big. He's like six feet, two 20. He is a unit, a battering ram. We should put him on the list. There's certain guys we're talking about like, we have to just move up a round or three in fantasy sometimes because we're like, I kind of want to just spend like 30 hours watching this guy. He's got Sequant thighs.

Watch him at the combine in his like spandex shorts. Those things are tree trunks. Now that the Eagles signed AJ Dillon, they just like the quads, the quad master. If the Eagles take Hampton, I'm going to be upset. You're going to be upset. Do not let them get him. The, D.K., what's your next group of, like, cool players? Your coolest favorite players in the draft.

This was a group called the tweeners and complimentary version of the tweeners. Because I think a lot of times players will get labeled as a tweener, and that is a negative connotation. But I've got three guys on this list, Jalen Walker from Georgia, Jahad Campbell from Alabama, and Josiah Stewart from Michigan. As guys, I think you might consider, like, body type and role and old. Overall, just what position are they going to be in the NFL?

They're tweeners, but I think all three of them are going to be really good pros. And especially with the way that the defense is going in the NFL, I might be a Mike McDonald-pilled, but obviously we've seen multiple defenses over the last year, kind of adopt this Ravens-style defense where they're not blitzing a ton, but they're just bringing pressure from literally every different spot on the field. You just never know what you're going to get. You have to have guys that are versatile that can play a number of different so you don't have to like sub in and out all the time.

I think that kind of is in my mind when I think about these guys as tweeners, but in a good way. So yeah. When you say tweeners, so just to give people an example of what it means, because I have trouble wrapping my mind around this too. So on the NFL draft.3.com,

you can sort up by positions. If you click on edge rushers, the top guy is Micah Parsons. You don't have Jalen Walker or Giaad Campbell under edge rushers. You have Jalen Walker and Jod Campbell under linebackers, which kind of implies all. softball linebackers, but it's complicated because they're also not exactly the same position.

So why would you want Jailen Walker at linebacker and not an edge rusher? I mean, I think you want, I think Walker might be best in the pros as an edge rusher. I put him as a linebacker because he literally played both positions in college. He's 6-2-245. So I think some people are not sure whether he can really play edge full-time in the pros or if that's maybe the best use for him. Jalen Walker. Jalen Walker.

From Georgia. And it's confused because there's a Trayvon Walker, what number one, out of Georgia. There's a Jalen Carter from Georgia, and so it gets confusing. But, Jaylon Walker from Georgia. So he, yeah, so he basically played off the ball as a like a regular linebacker sometimes, and then he would line up on the edge and rush the passer. He's really good at both. And, you know, I think the thing with him is extremely explosive athlete. He's just the type of athlete where I'm like, wherever they put him, it's going to work. I don't actually care where they put him because I think he's so good, so instinctive.

there's a play that I think it was against Texas where he keyed on like a quarterback scramble from like a few yards off the line of scrimmage and it was like a heat-seeking missile he just arrived at the quarterback so fast it's so impressive. Archie Manning in yeah, they put Archmanning in versus the Texas

the bottle game where everyone threw everything put Arch Manning in and yeah he just raised Arch Manning to the edge. I mean it was just so impressive but you see that type of play all over his tape he's just explosive, explosive athlete And I think he has a ton of like untapped potential as a edge rusher. But I think you could also, you know, play him as a linebacker a little bit if you want to.

Just finding him a good role in your defense. I think he's going to excel wherever he is. So I've got him as like a top 10 player. I don't know for sure if the NFL will see it that way just because he's 6-2-245 and sort of that tweener frame. But yeah. I think this is a really good comparison. I have like big picture thoughts we're talking about the tweeter thing. And I think this is a really big, this is like an important threat.

I know we're talking like we talked a lot about offense, but these two guys should talk about Jalen Walker from Georgia and then also Ghead Campbell from, from Bama. I think these two guys are the perfect explanation of like where defense is in the NFL right now for what you're pointing. Eight years ago, Tweener was derogatory and now it's complimentary. And the reason is it's the, like shout out Cody Alexander at match quarters. He's written this on a substack. It's phenomenal if you want to learn more about football. I recommend Cody's stuff incredibly highly. This is the McVehyification, the Shanahanification of the NFL, which what we always talk about with the 49ers.

being the best example of like positionless football. The reason is it's all about just arbitraging substitution rules. Like in the NBA, switch everything and you had to have everybody be able to guard everyone because we're not going to let you stop the clock. You have to, we're going to just with the five guys on the floor,

we're going to find the worst defender, get our best player on your worst. And so now instead of everyone having an A plus skill, you actually need everyone. Now instead of the ceiling of your play, to be on the floor, you have to have everything to be a B minus. And that became NFL, basketball, and grass. Now it's like less important for you to be A plus at run defending as it is you can't be a D minus at past defense and vice versa.

So now being a B minus and everything 10 years ago was like, oh, what are you going to do? Now it's like, wow, we need you. So it's like the same way George Kittle is a tight end. You can play left tackle and running back and receiver. And McCaffrey can be a running back lines up and Debo can be a receiver's running back. They now need defenders to be able to do that without the offense letting you switch off the field. So Kyle Hampton, it tackles like a linebacker and reads like. a safety and plays like a cornerback.

Ryan Branch is a nickel cornerback who can tackle like a linebacker. Now we're seeing that in the secondary. Now what we're seeing, and the reason we don't have to call these guys is now it's on defense. It's the Eagles. Zach Bonn, who almost won defensive player of the year. Zach Bonn. He was an all pro, right?

First team all pro is a line off ball inside linebacker that can cosplay as a defensive end hand in the dirt if they need five defensive linemen to mess up a McVeigh run plan. And then Nolan Smith, not quite hands. to dirt, but he's a defensive end that can cosplay as an off-ball linebacker. Also, the McVeigh's and the Shanahan's can't fuck with them because, like, no, it's like basketball.

All these guys can switch. There's no easy matchups anymore. And these two guys, Walker and Camp, Walker is like the Nolan Smith. And Giad Campbell is kind of like a Zach Bond, which is like the future of the league. It's an interesting time we're in now. It's like, yeah, the NBA, you just want everybody who's like 6-8 and can switch 1 through 5.

Yeah. And it's also fun that right now, as this is kind of happening in the NFL, I feel like athleticism is becoming more value, right? Like the guys that could just kind of physically do it all. It's also cool that Travis Hunter is coming into the league at this time, a guy who literally can play on both sides of the ball. And you start to wonder if, like, that is the next evolution of this of guys who can start to actually bleed into both

offense and defense. But it's cool. It makes the most sense. It feels like the NFL, like it is the natural next progression where it's like getting guys who can do everything. Ben Johnson was on part of my take. And he was like, my philosophy. is that I want the same stuff

to look different and the different stuff to look the same. And having guys who can do everything allows you to do that. That's like such a, that's a cooler version of what McVeigh calls it the illusion of complexity.

Yeah. Which is just like core simple principles. Well, that's how McDonald explains his defense, too, the illusion of complexity. And that's why they call him the Sean McVeigh of defense for McDonald's because they're like, yeah, we're not running that much stuff, but you don't really know who's going to do what.

But like on our end, it's actually not as complicated as it looks. From an offensive point of view, the same stuff looks different is basically you're running the same concepts, the same quote unquote plays, but from different formations, different personnel groups or different looks, basically just so the defense can't predict what's happening. You're running the exact same concept. You're running the exact same play, essentially. But guys are just lining up in different spots, essentially a different, you have different personnel in there sometimes. You have a Cooper Cup playing a tight end role. You know what I mean?

So that's kind of an example of that. I never thought of it this way. We talk about pitchers with quarterbacks, where quarterbacks in different pitches. Really what we're talking about, though, is pitch tunneling. And I think it's opening day this weekend. There's all these awesome gifts. Shout out in Pitching Ninja, Rob Friedman on Blue Sky.

And, like, there are these gifts now that are unbelievable of pitchers, all being Greg Maddox now, where everything looks exactly the same. And they have all this math that helps pitchers. And, like, you overlay of like, I mean, you already have three-tenths of, four-tenths of a second hit of baseball. And then for halfway, three-quarters of the way, every motion the pitcher does is identical.

The tunnel of the baseball is identical. And then boom, Paul Skeens. It just goes in five different directions. So you actually have like 0.1 second to figure out one of the four directions. So you can't hit it. That's kind of what defense is. And that's what Shannon and McVeigh did to offense. It all looks the same.

It all looks at break. And then now defense is coming back with it. But to do that, you need tweeners. You need guys that can do different things, right? They can drop back. They can blitz. They can rush the passer with their hand in the dirt. They can play the role of a linebacker, an edge rusher, or even like a slot defender or whatever.

You know what I mean? So these guys can do different things. So then the flip side is you need defensive tackles that are just big people. And the other list you sent was war daddies. The war daddies. There's just a couple guys in this job class that are massive, massive gargantuan human beings, but have really good athleticism, good light feet, explosive movement skills. Alfred Collins from Texas is one of them. 6.6.330 verified at the combine.

6.6.330, 35-inch arms, 10-inch hands. This guy is built in a lab to just plug up the middle of a defensive line. He can do so many different things. He's good at taking on double teams. He can two-gap. He can do so many different things for your defense. That's not going to get a lot of love on Twitter and things like that. He's not going to probably have star power.

But he's going to be doing a ton of essential things for your defense and really helping the guys around him be able to get better matchups and things like that. He has, I don't think he's like an elite athlete necessarily, but like for his size, he definitely is because the size and movement skills things, he's like throwing spin moves on guys. He can really, he's got light feet for a man his size. And he also knocks down a lot of passes. I think he was like second in the FBS in batted passes.

So he's always getting his hands into passing lanes. He's just a pain in the ass in the middle of the defense, and I really like him. Alfred Collins also satisfies Craig's rule of when it's cool when the biggest people you've ever seen are named like nerd names usually get beat up for. Alfred is like the biggest person. Same goes with dogs. Like a Rottweiler named Peanut. It's funny. It works.

It's amazing. It's incredible. He could probably say this about this other guy, Kenneth Grant. Kenneth Grant Esquire. He doesn't go by Kenneth. Kenneth. 64330. His name's Kenneth.

Kenneth Grant. He is Jim Harbaugh called. him a gift from the football gods during his freshman year at Ann Arbor. I feel like these two players are the perfect encapsulation of like your favorite coach's favorite player kind of deal because they're just what they're able to do in terms of taking up space, taking on two blocks, you know, collapsing the pocket. Things of that nature are not necessarily sexy and going to get a ton of stats, but they are very important from a schematic point of view.

Count Grant, he was number three on Bruce Feldman's Freaks list last summer. Incredibly strong, incredibly explosive for his size. see it with his twitch the way he moves. And I think he's just going to be immediately just like an important part of the defense line right away. I think that I totally agree. And I also, I would go so far as to say, I think you could see Kenneth Grant taken maybe even slightly higher

than you might think solely because, so Kenneth Grant played at Michigan. And that's like the defensive, one of the defensive things sweeping the nation is, you know, the Raven, like it's Vic Fangio stuff, but it's like the Ravens with Mike McDonnell, who was the coach at Michigan, defensive coach. Jesse Minter with Harbaugh was the coach at Michigan.

And then those things spread. So the Titans defensive coordinator was under Mike McDonald's from Baltimore. The Ravens defense coordinator was under Mike McDonald in Baltimore. Like this, you know, so the Seahawks. So I think a lot of teams want a Kenneth Grant who's recruited to play in that system. So I think a lot of teams might want that. It's an important role. Give us some sleepers, D.K.

Some sleeper, cool players. Yeah, players that have really, really caught my eye later on in the draft. This is probably like day two or maybe even day early day three for some of these guys. Elic Eo Menor from Stanford is one of my favorites. Canadian former hockey player. He plays like it. He's got like the don't you ever touch my puck attitude when the ball is in the air. Don't you ever touch my puck.

That's my puck, baby. He is really exciting. I think he's kind of flying under the radar a little bit because, you know, he's played for Stanford. They're not putting up a ton of offense. But he's big, really fast. Like he's a former high school track star. He was, he set league record. in 100 meters and 200 meters of the high school track athlete in Massachusetts.

So he was born in Canada. I think he played his freshman year in Canada, and then he moved to the U.S., played high school ball in the U.S. in Massachusetts. He's, there's, like, he, Nico Collins was the guy who came to mind for me just because he's big explosive. He runs away from defenders on slant routes. He uses his frame to, you know, basically box out defenders and catch the ball. He's really good at those tight quarter catches, like strong hands to catch those tough

passes. And then just runaway speed if he gets a little bit of room. So if you look at like the RAS scores, the relative athletic scores for Nico Collins and IOMONOR, they're pretty close. Like he's a little bit smaller than Collins is. But overall, the athleticism numbers are like right there, 38 inches, 37 inches vertical, 107 broad versus 105 broad. So he's, he reminds me that there's also a little bit of like a D.K. Metcalf vibe to me

where he's, I think he's still going to have to develop. a little bit a more complete route tree as a route runner and just get a little bit more, you know, just expert at running routes and separating and getting open and all the really difficult things about route running. There's some of that. But I think he's just so big and fast and strong that it can work in the meantime until he does develop. I really, really liked this guy, D.K., and it's funny, but I would watch these guys like highlights and then I would go and look at your draft comps. And the thing I thought as well was Nico Collins, even before reading your draft guide. because he's long.

He's got the fifth longest arms in his class at wide receiver. He just moves weird. He kind of gallops and stutter steps like a basketball player before driving to the hoop or something like that. Totally. He just kind of moves.

Like a he has a hezy? Yeah, he has a great, like, yeah, hezzy jimbo. But, yeah, I really, I like this guy a lot. And Io Manor, I think, or that's how the people in the game, that's how Gus Johnson was pronouncing his last name.

He was going, mine yo, manners. And it was when... Move him up the rigs. Because he had a crazy catch this year. Stanford played Colorado and Io Manor had in overtime a catch over Travis Hunter where he pinned the ball to the back of Travis Hunter's back into the end zone and came down with the ball.

I think that was two years ago. It was 2023. Yeah, yeah. He had like a ridiculous game. That was one of the craziest games I've ever seen. I want to say he had 13 catches for 294 yards in that game. And that was like against Travis Hunter a lot. Did he have a catch in the first half?

Wasn't all of it in the second half? It was insane. I also just like, I want a guy who played hockey growing up in Canada as a receiver on my team. Like there's just a level of toughness there that I just want. Next up, we got RJ Harvey running back out of UCF. Really like him, explosive, tons of lateral juice to break tackles and avoid tackles. He had kind of a long weird college career. He ended up, or he started out his college career.

He was recruited as a dual-thart quarterback. And he started at Virginia. He registered as a freshman, switched to running back, transferred to UCF, and then he tore his ACL. So he's kind of had a long circuitous route to where he is. But the last two years, he averaged 1,500 rushing yards and 19 touchdowns in the last two years. Almost 3,000 yards and 38 scores combined. He's just, and he's a good athlete. He ran a 4-4, 38-inch vert, 107 broad, so explosive athleticism.

He's a shifty little spark plug. Yeah. I've seen people compare him to like Chase Brown, Jalen Warren type of running back. Okay. So I'm not saying he's going to be a superstar at the next level, but I just think he could be a day three running back who is a lot better than you think. And, you know, like ends up being a pretty big part of a team's running back rotation. He has that ability to crab where he like runs into the line, nothing's there,

and then he kind of sidesteps his way and then shoots forward. Yeah, 100%. He's not as good in the receiving game. So he's probably going to be kind of like an early down guy, but I think he's got a ton of talent. And he scored a ton of touchdowns in his, college career. So he's obviously, you know, got that big playability. I saw that he had 32 rushes of 15 plus yards last year, which was second only to Gentie. So big playback,

scores a lot of touchdowns, a lot of broken tackles, just a creative running back with the ball in his hands. D.K., yeah, we wanted to ask about kind of like the guys you are rationally love, perhaps despite some negative characteristics or traits or things that aren't necessarily seen as NFL worthy, but guys that you like regardless. Flaws. Yeah, I want to know. This basically is a question of like, what's your type in an NFL draft? Like, what are your draft kinks?

Is it like long arms, big hands, Amanda Seinfree? I can fix him. Like, what is it? You know? Sean Fantasy can back me up on that one. Yeah, is it like you need to stop falling for edge rushers that remind you of your father? Like, what is it? Well, I don't know if I don't know if I have any.

I think explosive movement skills is the thing that I always kind of I gravitate towards. Explosive movement skills. What does that mean? Like twitchy. This is why I loved A-chan so much. It's because the dude is just the most explosive athlete I've ever seen in my life. And I was like, this has to work. This has to work in the NFL.

I don't care what position or what he's doing. This has to work. He's just so explosive. So it's kind of like a 10 out of 10 on the hot scale, even if they're a little bit crazy, you don't care. And this is a good segue to Isaiah Bond from Texas, who is just moves differently. He's just built if. He reminds me in a lot of ways to Jameson Williams. even though he's quite a bit shorter.

He's 511. I think Jammel was like 6-2 or 6-1. Someone said it's not really a difference at all. Huge difference. Sure. It's really just because of the way we measure. On the app, he's not coming up on a lot of searches. I told you that we figured out the number out in England.

Did I tell you guys that we figured out what the threshold is in England? It's 170 centimeters. Which is what? I don't know. That means nothing to me. Okay, wait, let me pull up. All right, you guys talk. I'll pull up the email.

Hold on, 170. centimeters is five, six? That's got to be wrong. We all pull it up. Someone said there was an actual experience. That's the threshold that people care about? Because the origin of this was I was like, it's weird that we have six feet is like this weird thing

all men want to aspire to. But like we're the only ones who measure it. So we're like, what is it in other countries? So I asked the people who listen to us another country. And, God, this guy emailed this was named Axel. That's incredibly Swedish. He said the number is 180, 180 centimeters. That's 511.

So you want to be 180 centimeters And if you start with like a one Like everyone's got Gets that nice round 180 And then you feel good about it. And this is okay So that's a bummer for somebody who's 511 Who moves from Europe to America

They immediately go from desirable to undesirable Imagine if you're like Imagine of all the people right now Who are six feet six one legitimately And you went to a different country And in that world you're 511 Like in their culture Like I think that would mess with your identity

Sure Yeah. Um, anyway, so... What were we talking about? That's why you should exclusively live in areas where your height is desirable. That's really the goal of life. It's the LA 7 thing or whatever, right, Craig? But yeah, the height version of that, where if you're 6-2 in London, that's like a 10 out of 10.

But if you're a 6-2 in Sweden where everyone's tall, very different. So Isaiah Bond is 180. The point is he's 180 centimeters. Right, right. But anyways, he should go play overseas. Totally. He might have to because it turns out... He's actually not that good. He might not be that good, which is kind of the point.

He, he, if you look at, he, I think he's a little bit like this year's 80 Mitchell for me, because when I watch him, I'm like, this guy is so good, so twitchy, so explosive. But the yards per route run numbers aren't good. He was outproduced by Matthew Golden in this offense. There was all these expectations for him coming into the season. And the production just wasn't there for whatever reason. And there's a lot of reasons that you could say, like, he was stretching. the field for the offense. He was sort of a decoy or whatever.

But at the end of the day, the production was not there. And it was a big year for the Texas offense because Quinn Ewers was supposed to be this allegedly flawless prospect. You had Manning there. And then I think A.D. Mitchell, who also went to Texas like, Isaiah Bond was supposed to be the guy and that he actually became the Adi Mitchell, like headcase Texas receiver, which is maybe becoming a thing. But to your point.

Gunner Helm also outproduced him for the record, which not great. Again, not great. Not what you're looking for. That a slow tight end. Is he hurt? Or is the concern with Isaiah Bond a skill thing? Or is the concern of Isaiah Bond a, like, attitude thing? I'm not calling him a Jermaine Burton.

But like, what is the deal of that Zabon? I don't honestly, I don't know. I'll have to dig into that more. But like, for now, we can just say the production wasn't there in terms of what they were expecting. But when I watch him, he literally just moves differently. He is so explosive, so twitchy, just able to separate, run out. actually catch. And they used them a lot on screens and endarounds and things like that.

Kind of like the way that Jameson Williams is used in the Lions offense where he's just like when he gets the ball, this guy's running twice as fast as everyone else in the field. Where do you see him going in the draft where the kind of the high risk, high reward nature to his game feels like a smart pick at this at that spot? Probably third round at the earliest. Okay. All right. Third or fourth. If he falls to the fourth, it might never happen. Third round, I mean, third round nowadays is a coin flip two. but he I think in terms of like the numbers and the talent or whatever is there for him to be a third round pick he may fall to the fourth just because there's other needs pressing for other teams but I don't know man he's just the type of guy that I always fall for when I'm watching draft players just because he's so explosive so fast

who are the other irrational guys that just get the blood flowing yeah these are for other reasons Tess Johnson from Oregon just love that guy he's 154 pounds boonix's brother Yeah, he's really good at playing football. But again, 154 pounds. I just don't know what to do with this. I don't know what to make of this. Obviously, Tank Dell. I'm out. I know.

And that's probably going to be a lot of teams. But he puts corners in a blender, turns him around. He's just really quick footwork. He's the type of guy that, too, when you watch the tape, it's like he catches the ball and does not gear down at all when he catches it and goes to run. It's just so smooth and so natural. He always gets guys turn. around running after the catch.

I think there's a ton of potential there, and he's probably not as good as Tank Dell because Tank Dell was playing outside primarily, and I think Tess is more of an inside guy, slot guy. But I don't know, for whatever reason, I still just love this guy. Even though I know it's probably not going to work, love Tess Johnson.

I kind of think the Broncos are going to take him. Because, like, Tess Johnson, if you watch, there's an ESPN profile or like a video about him. You can look it up. So there's a great story about Tess Johnson and Bo Nix and, like, their families knew each other really well, and then Bo Nix's family ended up adopting Tess Johnson just because they felt like he was already part of the family,

so they just did it, and it's really sweet. And if you watch it, you're like, I want this guy to succeed. You don't know anything about that. You're like, what are we even talking about? Like, he's literally Solac size, 154 pounds. Like, what is that in stone or whatever? You know what I mean? Half a stone?

I don't know. Half a stone? I don't know what... Stone's like 15 pounds or something. British UFC fighters and the, like, this only time ever learn what stone is. The stone is 14 pounds. So if they take Tess Johnson,

and they would then have Bo Nix, Troy Franklin, the other receiver from Oregon, and Tess Johnson. But the Troy Franklin thing's why I kind of think they might do it, because I think they're going to be less, basically, Tess Johnson's worth more to the Broncos than anyone else, because Tess Johnson's whole thing is he can definitely play with Bo Nix. Man, I kind of want this to happen, actually. It's six rounds, seventh round.

I don't think a 154-pound guy goes before like the 200-pick. It's funny that it's almost like NFL teams now are just like adopting college programs. Like the Eagles are like, we are Georgia. The Broncos are like, we are old. Seems like a good idea. Yeah, there's an onion article. The New York Knicks are like, we are Villanova.

And it's like, maybe this is the new pipeline. There's an article about like ranking state flags and the number one one that they have was Texas. And the quote is just like, wow, this one was available. And I think that that's the Eagles where they're like, we're going to pick a college and they're like, Georgia. No one called shotgun on this thing in Georgia? Like, we're just going to do this. In my notes for Johnson, I wrote, will win every game of tag. Probably the best flag football player you've ever seen.

Dude, he should be in the Olympic flag football team with him and Mike Evans. That's a good combo. I think you have some question marks about how well 154 pounds will survive at the NFL level. So he is an inch shorter than Tutu Atwell and 10 pounds lighter.

God, that's crazy. I will see. I would like him to succeed. He's clearly like an awesome guy. It's a really nice story. I really do think, I think he's the seventh-th round pick for the Broncos. I mean, I would love to see him go to the Broncos.

I remember watching Troy Franklin a lot last year for the draft, and I remember thinking at the time, Tess Johnson's better. Yeah, he is. But again, 154 pounds. It complicates things. Good hit some emails. DK, any other thoughts, though, on your coolest players?

Which of these guys is your favorite? Straight up. And you don't get to pick like Travis. A lot of Travis. A. Favorite? Favorite non-Travison or non-Hash and Jenny player. Jalen Walker.

Is it the mechanic? I mean, you trying to make that work. Sure. So, Jalen Walker's the butt port. He's the butt port. And then we have mine, yo, manners. Ehrlich, I'll make that work. He's fun, man.

I was watching him again last night in prep for this, and I was just like, man. I like Alfred Colin, a big boy named Alfred. Alfred, wait, just because you did the Gus Johnson, can we get one more? Stroud! Stroud! Look, dick! Finds an A! See's Nico Collins!

Look, Gag! Dude, somebody sent us a guest Johnson call from, was it, the NCAA tournament? I can't remember where it was from. Oh, the... Oh, yeah. Wait, what was it? I don't see. Recently?

There was a Maryland football game where he was like, catastrophe! That was of Maryland football. Catastrophe. Catastrophe! Oh my God. That was so good.

Shut up. Makes a man miss. Sheds a tackle. Finds a man. Let's do some emails here. All right. We asked for people under 40 who go by gym.

We're looking for the world's youngest Jim. Yeah, we want the world's youngest gym. And I think we found it, we found a good distinction here. We've heard from all the gyms. Thank you from the gyms. Jim's. But this one really encapsulated the gym experience.

Okay. So, I mean, Jim. Jim. Jim says I'm 33. Okay. I've gone by Jim my whole life. Wow. Or at least I've attempted to go by gym my whole life.

That's the hard part. Yeah. I'm 5'6. He's 5 foot 6, which is about 160 centimeters. I'm baby-faced, carrying baby fat into my 30s, so nobody seems to be able to call me Jim, even though it's the only way I have ever introduced myself is by saying I'm Jim. Wow. All through high school, I was Jimmy, and my friends will still call me anything but Jim.

So to most people, I am Jimmy. I like Jim Jam, Jim Jim Jim Jim, Slim Jimbo, Jimbo Slice, Jimithee, Jimberley, you get the idea. Jimberley. So is he actually Jim? He's not. My name's been a constant source of identity crisis. You are what others call you. He's not Jim.

Exactly. If a tree falls in the forest, it was named Jim, no one fucking knows. Like, yeah, he's Jimmy. He's Jimmy. Stop trying to make Jim happen.

I want to narrow it. Email us if you were like under 40 and your goal by gym. And like people call you Jim. And not just your coworkers. Like the people in your life call you Jim. Your mom. Under 30.

Your mom call you Jim. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If anyone's mom calls them Jim. Under 30. Hey, Jim, just checking in. Jim.

Ringer Fantasy Football at GMO.com. Contact us immediately. Hi, sweetie. Jim. She texts you, Jim. Call me. Jimmy. No other, no other context.

Hi, Jim. How did finals go? Oh, Craig hasn't seen the wire, but D.K., you know, when he's like, Jimmy? Like, bunk is blackout drunk, and he's like, Jimmy! Jimmy! I just think of Seinfeld. Don't touch Jimmy. Don't touch Jimmy.

Okay. We have a great parent lie email, but first one of the two workplace platforms and a lie. Two workplace platforms in a lie. Let's do it. All right. This one's from Jordan. Jordan. Jordy.

I write this, he sent this early. Jordan says, I write about tech. So not only do I use platforms like this myself, but I actually report on them and speak with experts who make these platforms a lot. Oh, amazing. So I get, he gets a lot of emails for PR questions. Speaking to Mr. Cupa himself. Yes. So he says, here are two truths and a lie for workplace platforms and a lie of things that were just emailed to me today.

Like these were just, he opened his email and these were like companies trying to pitch him about their company. Cloud Silo, Net Scout, Flashpoint. Fuck, these all feel real. Net Scout? Net Scout. Flashpoint and cloud silo. Cloud silo sounds real because it's like cloud storage. And the show Silo.

Right. Hit show silo on Apple TV. Give me the other two again. I already forgot them. Cloud Silo, Net Scout, and Flashpoint. I'm going to say Net Scout is fake. I'm not going to say FlashPoint's fake. Net Scout seems super real.

Improving secure service network and application performance anywhere. Flashpoint? Super real. It's got to be silo. Oh, Cloud Silo is fake. Because he probably just did like the show from the hit show Silo from Apple TV. He knew that we would immediately jump on the cloud storage trend. I can write that off pretty quick.

That was smart. To someone, oh, if this is someone, another one? Yeah. Who's from Cody? Cody? He said, what's up, Boners? Okay. Did we do that one already?

I can't even keep you remember. Boners? What's up, Boners? It's so funny. I never met you in my life, but okay. Jeez. Christ, Cody. My name's Jim.

But I'm crazy. Oh, you said I'm a medical laboratory scientist at a hospital. That's good to know that you're leading emails with boners. Good to know we're in safe hands. You'd imagine, like, think about the last time you were at a doctor or in a hospital or anything. The last person you talked to. What's up boners? What's up boners? What's up boners?

Which organ are we taken out today? Like scrubs, like all the surgeons are just jocks. All right. Four of these are real three or once fake. Epic. Unity. Goliath, safe trace, and wham. Safe trace and Wham, Goliath, Unity.

I think Unity's fake. That's the thing in Rick and Morty. Obviously, it's also a word that means other things. The safe trace one is definitely real. That's too weird to be fake. Wham? I think it's got to be, I think it's epic or unity or fake, because the other one's all sound real.

I think Wham is a band from the 1970s or 80s. It's spelled W-A-M-M-A-M-H. George Michaels. Oh, okay. No. George Michael? George Michael. George Michaels

George Michael Michaels. George Michael Michaels. No, Chad's Michael Michaels. I got there. I don't know. Unity. Yeah, sure.

Goliath is, Goliath is wrong. Okay. Rath. Anyway. That's why we're boners. Fucking boners. All right.

Last email here is from Daniel. Daniel. Danny. This is incredible. This is again. So we've been talking about lies, parents tell their children, which has been my favorite email topic. Oh, yeah, these are great.

Sometimes it's about as good as good as the things your dad said they invented. Daniel writes, when he was about three years old, my oldest son Brady decided one night that he was not going to eat anything green anymore. Now, I grew up at a house where if you didn't like to eat something, you sat your ass in the seat till your plate was clean, even if it was fucking terrible. Yep. Old school. That's what my dad had the same way growing up with his parents.

and Daniel writes that my dad's favorite was canned cream spinach, which was vomit-inducing, but my mom always made us eat it. So it sucked, but you know what? I feel like it grew from it. So my instinct was to take this approach with my kids, but times have changed. And apparently, according to my wife, Yeah, the best approach is firm, but gentle parenting.

You can get reported for that. Yeah. It's better, apparently, to not force the kids to eat if they don't want to, and the doctors reinforce this since they just keep presenting them with the options at meal time, but don't force it eventually. They'll eat what you give them. So this concept is completely foreign to me. And since it was my first time around the block with the parenting stuff,

I didn't want to stress my kid out. However, after months of wasting food and comparing it to how I was raised, I was getting pretty frustrated. Not to mention, I was pretty concerned about how long a growing human could actually run on chicken nuggets and applesauce. Yeah. Look at Kai. Kai's still kicking.

Guy's not on the show today. Barely, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's actually the hospital because he's malnourished right now. He's doing his IV. They're pumping his stomach. So Daniel writes,

so one evening, I decided enough was enough, and I had to try something new. So I told Brady that I had received a call from his tummy manager. Oh my God. And the tummy manager said that if he was going to, if that the tummy manager said he was going to die

unless Brady started eating broccoli. Oh, geez. And he went full. He went full, This was like not a gray area. He said, you either eat this, you're going to die. And Daniel says, I honestly have no idea where that came from. It just kind of blurted out of me.

And when Brady, my son asked, what's a tummy manager? I told him, it's the little man who lives in your stomach that breaks down your food. And the tummy manager's family only eats what you eat. And if the family didn't get their vegetables, the family would die. That's not bad. I cannot. I cannot. You cannot overstate.

how gollable kids are. Dude. There is no end to your goalability. I am reading this because I couldn't. My jaw dropped reading this. So he says, Brady was shocked. Brady asked,

how did I hear from the tummy manager? I tell him, he called me. You just lie. Just keep lying. So Brady asked, can we call him back? No.

And well, I didn't think that. He only makes out with outgoing calls. Kind of only one way out. That's, well, he should have said that. I didn't think my three-year-old

was smart enough to call my bluff. But luckily I had a friend who I knew would play along. So I call up my buddy, Trey. That's the best kind of friend right there. Yeah, I call up my buddy Trey. This is like fucking scuba Steve from Big Daddy. It's the kind of friend that will immediately know to play along with this. This is like one level down from like the town where he comes in and's like, I need you to do something.

You never tell anyone about it. Who's got? Who's car? So Trey answers the phone. Brady's eyes go huge. Brady couldn't believe we were talking to the man inside his stomach. And I explained to the tummy manager I explained to the tummy manager that we had talked to Brady about the situation

and he did eat his broccoli and my friend Trey plays it flawlessly and says it won't he does not have long for this world unless Brady eats some vegetables and what do you know it? That little fucker wolfed down all his broccoli in like one minute after getting off the phone and every once in a while we call Trey to see how his family's doing in the tummy and anytime my son eats new food, they called Trey and asked to see how they liked it. Guess what?

Brady is the best eater of all three of my kids. And he has actually become peer-pressuring his younger siblings to eat their vegetables or certain death will befall their tummy managers and their families. Wait, the tummy manager's family will also die? Yes, everyone at the table. This guy went from being worried about stressing out his kid to telling them that they were going to die.

If they don't eat frog. Not a small family living in his body, he will die. It's like a Rickett. Lives depend on this. So he says in the near future, we have to tell Brady the truth because he's five. And if he goes to kindergarten and he tells kids about the tummy manager, he doesn't want him to be ridiculed. It's funny. He said ridiculed because I was kind of thinking also traumatized.

But so he's going to figure out how to talk to him. Calvin is five now. And he's starting to like make a jump in terms of figuring out what I'm telling him is bullshit. You know what I'm saying? His bullshit meter is starting to turn off. at five, and he's almost six. So I'd say this definitely checks out

with my experience as well. You can only do this for so long. You know what I learned about vegetables, the older I got? Every kid hates vegetables, but then I realized as I got older, you know what? Like, they weren't exactly doing the vegetables

any favors the way they were cooking them. You can make vegetables taste good. Cover them in garlic and Parmesan cheese and lemon, and it'll taste a lot better than if it's just steamed broccoli on a plate. You know what I mean? Dude, Craig, I could not agree with you more. There are some things that they say about millennials

and Gen Z that they're like, we're snowflakes. You know what? Maybe we're. Guess what? You fucking boomers couldn't cook a vegetable to save your goddamn life. You were boiling Brussels sprouts.

No wonder the kid didn't like it. Their parents served them boiled Brussels sprouts and boiled broccoli. Yeah. And then we're like, eat it. And they said, no. And they never tried cooking it or flavoring it ever again. And my parents don't eat vegetables. And I had to convince them to do it during COVID.

It was like the most reverse thing ever. I'm like, you can add lemon and garlic. Put some salt on this shit. Yeah. Seriously. Look, I'm lucky enough to live in L.A., which is a great food city. When I go to a restaurant in L.A. and I see they have like broccoli on the menu,

I get excited because I know it's going to taste fucking awesome. It's good. Email us at Ring and Fantasy Football at Com. So many people I feel like, like, the old, like people over, I'm going to just draw the line arbitrarily at 50. Just don't eat vegetables because the way their parents served them were bad and they never tried to me again. Yeah, it's the Al Michaels diet.

Yes, Al Michael's so many people. Email us if your daddy is like Al Michaels. It's just like steak and potatoes. He hasn't seen carrots and years. No. Something insane. Yeah. It's ridiculous.

In 1954, my mother boiled the broccoli and then I couldn't do it anymore. Yeah, because who's our emailer here? Forget the name. He was the poor guy with Daniel. Poor guy was eating cream spinach from a fucking can. Cream spinach. I'm like, we have Instagram.

Nothing's traveled faster other than porn. Nothing's traveled faster around the internet than food and recipes. And like every, like nothing is. It's what it was invented for. We have more access to like recipes and food. like a single person than like the entire United States of America did

like 100 years ago. Like throw some olive oil on a zucchini. Grill it on a on a on a skillet. It'll be good. Dude, cook you, eat your vegetables. They're good. They're fine. Did you guys hear this?

I mean, this might have been like an urban legend or something, but I think it's true is even back in the day, Brussels spots actually did taste different than they do now because they've been genetically modified. and so they actually are not as bitter or something like that? A lot of things like that. Bananas are totally different than they were like 150 years ago.

Well, aren't there like, there's like a tons of different types of bananas and we only eat one. I think the other ones died out. And so all bananas are genetically the same. And so there's a fear if there's a banana blight, the bananas would be kind of cut. I don't think they died out. I think we just stopped making them. Only, yeah, like manufacture and clone one kind.

Yeah, there was like for whatever reason. That was the best or for whatever reason the most profitable to grow. But now it's like the only one. so now it's kind of like all, yeah, they're all that. It's like, if there's like, if like one disease wipes out, like one disease could wipe out all the bananas. Yeah. Tough. So the banana's got to get shots, but RFK Jr. won't let them.

I just saw some TikTok about red bananas. Some Australian guys talking about red bananas and how they're good. You should try them. Dude, my like great grandfather. They were on the boat over to this country and they saw bananas. They'd never seen it before. They thought there were worms. They freaked out.

They thought they were alive. They'd never seen them. It's like, come down, guys. Come down. Come on. One of my like worst food takes that everybody's, said about is that I love bananas and I love banana flavored things. Like, not artificially, but real bananas. That's, who makes fun of you for that? Almost like everybody. I'm like alone on

an island. Oh, you like banana ice cream. I like banana cream. I love banana ice cream. I love banana pudding. I love, like anything with bananas, I think is great. I think banana is a good flavor. And I think a lot of people view bananas as like a necessary healthy food to eat, but it's not, they're not exactly looking forward to it. It's the guy who went on the hot take and the hottest take and said I'll do cannibalism. I don't think. Like that really registers. Altruistic cannibalism. Everybody omits that word.

Cannibalism. You know what I mean? It's clickbait. If you actually read the article, if you read the article, I'm making a good point. You know what I mean? You build a thousand bridges. You eat one body. You're just a cannibal. I like bananas plain, but I don't really like banana-flavored things.

I know. Most people are like that. Yeah. A lot of people don't like the texture. Yeah. It's not the best. I like bananas. I love bananas.

I feel like banana is the ultimate fuel. If I have two bananas, I fucking can do anything. If I have two bananas, I think I could run a marathon. They come in the wrapper. You can throw the rap. Oh, it's great. Oh, my God. They're pre-packaged.

Yeah, pre-packaged. No, they're great food. All right. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Banana Foster. I think it's earnestly being like, no, bananas are great food. Dude, you're right. Your fruits are so out of control, bro.

Wait, you guys, my bracket's in the 94th percentile, no big deal. Oh, damn. Not bad. My dad called me last year. It was like, Dan, I'm in the 99.9th percentile after like three hours.

I don't, I was kind of rushing. I don't know. Okay. Okay, so no. He was in the 99th percentile like two hours into day one.

And I'm like, all right, whatever. And then the next day, he's like, oh, I'm like, all right,

whatever. Then the next day, and the next day. And then the next round, like, whatever. He actually finished like 99. Like, he finished their life.

He was top 10,000, which doesn't sound crazy. But out of five million, he was in the top like 8,000, thousand people submit brackets. Thank you. There's like 12 people in the 99.9 percentile right now. So good for you guys. Are you winning our bracket? No. I got crushed. Dude, I had St. John's winning. I'm an idiot. Oh, yikes. I'm in two 50th out of 5,000. I just looked at where I am. I ranked 21 million, Fannie USPia. Craig, no hyphen. You must be below me. I'm four, I'm in 4,671st place in our bracket, which is 5500 people. Oh, I'm

the 11th percentile, are you below me on the 11th percentile? No, no, no, you're below me. I started 7 and 0, and then I finished like 0 and 7. My rank right now is 18 millionth in the country, or in the world or whatever. Pretty good. 21 millionth. I love how, I love it's like eight hours into day one. ESPN always has the news and it's like, there are zero perfect brackets left. It's the best.

Dude, so ESPN used to give you a billion dollars if you would get a perfect bracket. And they add, a billion? It's like literally, the odds are like one in five qubits. And so like with a B, and this is also like, this is like 15 years ago, like when a billion was even more big of a deal. And they were like, we'll give you a billion dollars if you win. I don't think anyone had ever done a contest. Right. In other words?

Yeah, 63 picks or whatever. Everything right. And they had, they're not going to pay it. So they insured it with Dan Gilbert's company, the owner of the Cavs. And he reinsured it with Berkshire Hathaway and Warren Buffett. Warren Buffett gets this call, like personally of like, someone's like, hey, they want us to insure something for a billion dollars. Warren Buffett hangs up, does the math on the back of a piece of paper on his desk in long form multiplication of what are the odds of this? Off the dome?

Off the dome. Like actual math on a piece of paper in his head. And then laughs. It's like, yeah. And then calls the back. He's like, yeah, there's no way this is going to happen. Impossible. TK, I looked it up.

It's one in nine point two quint trillion. I don't even know what that means. You know, I actually don't know. I couldn't type that on a calculator. That's like how much money in cash Warren Buffett has right now. It's 19 digits. Nine quintrillion is 19 digits. That's actually,

that's horizontal calculators shit. Number one is Chris Mooney? Go, Chris is the rich in spiders? Chris Mooney? Are you in my tournament? Chris Mooney. His team name is Moonpipe.

Moonpipe. Which I don't know what that means. Moonpipe you do. You know to me. means, Craig. Moon Pipe is winning. It's just disguised enough where it's not immediately inappropriate,

so I kind of like it. Moonpipe is, yeah, you can like put that in your work bracket. Yeah. Damn, I hope Moonpipe wins. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you everyone to join the bracket. Thank you, Carlos.

Thank you, Moonpipe. Email us at Ringerfancy Footballton. Email is ringerfacing football.com. More workplace platforms that a lie. Email us if your name is Jim. under 30 and your mom calls you Jim. I don't know, Jim. Jim, I don't know, Jim.

Oh, no, my voice cracked again. That's a good fitting to the whole show. Thank you, Lorne. Lord. Thank you, Jim Crocey. Dude, Crocee. We've talked about it before, but... I love that guy.

Yeah. Died too young, 30 years old, looks 45. But amazing, soothing, beautiful music. I cannot believe he was 30 in this picture. Yeah, it's shocking. For all we know, he's actually younger than that in that photo. I don't know if that was the year he died. he's at least he's 30 at the at the oldest in that photo but um the crows he lived he lived a life

of more than twice that his age i think yeah i think so all those guys lived differently back then he fed a lot of living into those 30 years in other words the croach master why did you think of him because his name is jim okay right now of course his name of course it's jim jim uh goodbye everyone Okay, I know we ended the show, but we're back because moments after the show ended, Craig, Craig's beloved Goun McGuath is transferring from San Diego State, so Craig's no longer a gooner. What did you call him, Goon McWoth? What did I call him?

His name is Magoon Gwath. McGueth. Not Goon Gweth. Sorry. Get his name right. I didn't watch any Sydney Street. Yeah, he's transferring. Our star freshman, who we found, he was a zero star.

We plucked him from obscurity, and now he's going to go get a million dollars on. Kentucky or something. Does it not say where he's transferring to? He's announcing that he's entering the pole. Oh, okay. This is the sad truth of the mid-majors now in college basketball. Honestly, I don't know if you've noticed, but in March Madness, all the higher seeds won this year

because all these mid-majors are getting fucking stripped and there's no continuity. So, but here's my question. Yeah. You just, I know you didn't win the tournament, but you just made the finals. You don't have a, you can't pay your best player to stay. You just made the finals of March of Madness.

No, we do not have the same money that, Dude, like the schools are, like, Cooper Flag is making like four or five million dollars himself. San Diego State's entire money, NIL collective is two and a half million dollars. Like, we can't do that. Lamont Butler, the guy who had the buzzer beater two years ago, he transferred last year to Kentucky. I think he's getting paid 700 grand on Kentucky. We were offering him 300.

It is a weird system where, yeah, I think the NIL stuff is going to move to something professionalized with, like, contracts. because it is going to be weird for the experience of place. It's tough because on one side of things, like the Sweet 16, Elite 8 and Final 4 this year is going to be all the best teams, which is kind of cool and it's better games. There's not going to be like a random 12 seat in there.

But on the other hand, the fun, chaotic nature, the upset, you know, all that. The soul of the tournament. The soul of white people of March Madness is going away because like the butlers and the Wichita states, it's like the second those guys have one good player who's decent, he just gets poached for 500 grand to be like the third or fourth best player on a Power 5 school. It's been one year, so I don't want to extrapolate too much.

But it does feel like, who was that kid in the World Cup that had an incredible World Cup for Columbia? I think it was Hamas Rodriguez. And then he just like, it's like, you know, the World Cup, like some 18-year-old just goes off. And then like, oh, Man City got him from his club and somewhere. And like, it is kind of more like college. So the weird dichotomy with American sports is that the NFL, the American sports are like way more socialist. And European sports are like way more capitalist. And college sports are now more capitalists.

than the pro one. So it's almost more like European things where it's like some schools are going to become the factories. Like there are clubs in soccer that just develop guys and trade them. And colleges are kind of going to be like, hey, you can come here and transfer somewhere else. Like that's the best you can do. It's free agency every year with no contracts and no cap.

And it's really tough. It used to be like these small schools, the one advantage they had compared to like a Duke or Kentucky, which had all these one and done five stars who would come, play well. Maybe the chemistry wasn't exactly there because they didn't know their teammates. And then they would go pro. But the small schools, it was cool because they have these guys who are third, fourth, and fifth year dudes who have been playing together for four years.

And so they have chemistry. Yes. And that was what was able to get them over the hump and allow them to go on these deep runs in the tournament. And now a school like STSU are two best players have entered the portal because they're going to go get triple their money somewhere else, which I totally understand because some of them might not go pro. And this is the time to get your money. Even if you want to stay and you like the school, how can you turn down almost a million dollars to go play somewhere else? I mean, I get it completely. And D.K. This makes scouting so much harder for the pros because, I mean, it makes your life hard.

I mean, Cam Ward went to Miami, which is, I don't know if you guys know this, bottom right of America. Washington State, top left, and then incarnate word. And it used to be, if a guy played at Miami, you have a scout that covers Miami. And he like spent, he knows everyone in the program and then notice this kid from freshman year through the end. Now your scouts, you have to have different people trying to piece together this guy's career from Washington State to Miami. Miami to Incarnate Ward over six years. And it's like impossible. Yeah, everything about college football is, I think just like a, it makes everything much more complicated.

Like for the, for the teams, like, you were seeing a lot of teams hired GMs now, which I don't think that was a thing in previous era. No, it's a pro structure. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, but I mean, that's like a huge, huge part of the game now is just putting together a roster every year because like Craig said, there's free agency every season. There's no contracts.

And, you know, you have to. to be able to build from that. So it's just chaos right now. Craig and I talked to an agent about that at the combine because we were like, what's with the GM thing? And he was like, well, if you have, what, 80 guys on the team and you've like 60 of them are coming back, every single person's contract.

Everyone's on a one-year deal. The coach can't be the guy negotiating and telling people who's not worth it. So the GM is like, for most times the face. Yeah, it's like a professional structure where the person you're with every day getting the best out of you can't also be the person who's telling you, yeah, we're not going to pay you that. So they just need, that's why who was that kid, the 25-year-old, who's the GM?

Gladstone. You're talking about a State-D-O-State? Yeah, isn't your GM at San Diego State? Like 25 years old? Yes, he is. He's just a face. Caleb Davis from Notre Dame. But he's just a guy that the coach is making the decisions.

He's just this 25-year-old kids, just like one texting all day, telling kids what they're getting. But yeah, it's brutal. It's like these small schools, the one thing they were good at is, like, developing, they get a two-star and develop them by the time they were seniors into real players. And now it's like, cool. Magoon Guas is, like, sick, and they found him from out of nowhere.

and he had one good season and now he's going to go to Duke and it's like, all right, what can we do? Yeah. We got to do it all again next year. We've become a farm system. Yeah.

It's like the A's where it's like, oh, cool, Josh Donaldson seems good. He's going to go win an MVP somewhere else because they can't pay him. I thought this would be recorded this again after we ended because I thought it'd be funny and it actually became like really raw and sad. It's sad.

It's one of those things where it's like, part of me is like they should just stop doing this but it is so much better for the plane. That's the thing. It's so much better for the players. It is worse for the fans, better for the players. They just need to come up with contracts or something like that. Or, you know, it's like, or how about this?

If a player leaves and breaks his contract, then maybe the team buying the player has to, like, pay a buyout feat to the old team's NIL collective or something. Oh, that'd be interesting. Like, offsetting. Oh, that's kind of, yeah. It's like, I don't know what the— If there's— The history of colleges sports are pro sports. Now the history of pro sports are things like salary caps and stuff, and, like, I don't know what's going to happen, but, like, I agree that—

It is so deregulated and insane right now that there need to be some restrictions on this because it's ruining the game. It's better for players. It's funny to think like even three years ago if you signed autographs like you were going to, oh God. And it's,

but like the Roger Sherman before he left for the ringer, his last column I think of the ringer was about how all these pro sports college becoming crabs where it's like every sports league, different things all have the same model. 30 cities spread out across the country. And like there's 30 teams that matter. And two conferences that it's all the like,

four, three or four divisions in the conference, all the same thing, even though they had different origins. Everyone settled in the same model. College sports is now the same thing. And the history of this realignment has basically been everyone trying to get to a cooler table at the high school thinking, I'll never be left out of the table. And then everyone's getting left out of the table. And there's only going to be 30 teams at the table in the end.

So between 30 and 40 teams would be at the table. And it's everyone trying to get to the table, crabs in a bucket, stepping on everyone else to get out. But the unproduct is hollow because you don't play the teams around you anymore. It's like you're leaving your, like you're not, there's no soul. It's funny. We just did. The rewatchables coming out tonight Monday night is this movie Blue Chips.

Have you seen that D.K. with Nick Nolty? Yeah, yeah. It's the most. You said with Nick Nolty. Shack and Penny. Yeah. Well, yeah.

Shack and Penny Hardaway R. That's some rewatchables frame. You know, the Nick Nolty movie. You mean the one. Shack was in the main character. He's the head coach. You know what I mean. I know what I mean.

Shack's in a movie. Yeah. It's like. The movie's hilarious. Top Gun, you know, with Tim Robbins. Yeah. No, I feel like it's no way

I'm just teasing It's the old time What's Age the worst slash what's age the best movie ever because the whole conceit of the movies He's basically the head coach

of UCLA in the 90s And he's refusing to pay for players Even though this booster Who's a part of the program Is begging him to cheat And pay players And it's played by the actor J.T. Walsh And he has this massive speech

Or he was like This school profits off these players We sign six figures six-figure shoe deals. You get paid a million dollars a year. You know what? These players get nothing. Like, we owe them this money. And Nick Noltey's like, you deserve to be in prison.

You're a piece of shit. We don't pay players. It's fucking hysterical. And also, like, I'm not going to pretend like there's any moral. But Rick Petino has any kind of moral clarity. But there is something about the coaches where they're just like, the coaches who are bag men and were like, oh, villainized. And I'm like, some of these guys' families are on, you know,

getting snap money and like, you know, kids. poverty level that like cannot actually necessarily afford food off campus that we're like we can't give them like like Thomas who got in trouble for like buying them dinner I don't know people fucking know I don't need to explain this to people it's so stupid I'm completely for players getting paid in every way just figuring out a way to not screw every single school that doesn't have a 20 million dollar NIL collective that would be nice we it's better than it was but we have not figured

it out yeah right it's like two steps forward one step back we've gone the two steps forward now let's take a step back i don't want like it's like baseball krague you mentioned it's like the a's i don't want every i don't want you know whatever one one or two teams to turn into fucking the yankees where they just buy a good team i feel like coach basketball was the one sport remaining where it was like anything can happen and this is awesome i guess to a degree the nfl is still like if you get joe burrow you're good which is cool but it's socialist the nflist the nflis a socialist league the cincinnati bengals get to spend as much in a three-year window as the new york giants and the dallas cowboys They have the same windows they can spend and they share revenue.

And that was the Cowboys' idea, literally, but like the bigger teams realized the smaller teams kept failing and it would never work unless they had a consistent league. So the bigger teams were like, fine, we'll share money with you. And the revenue sharing is how the whole thing has led to parody. Right. So I don't know. Maybe it's cool now that it's going to be like Auburn, Florida, Duke and Houston in the Final Four. Maybe that's more fun and the games will be better at the end.

But the soul of March Madness feels like it's slowly changing. Maybe it's a one-off year, but it does feel like these small schools are just getting fucking pillaged. All right. Well, sorry that this was depressing. Magoon! Come back. I'll pay. I'll pay.

It's not too late, Craig. It's not too late, right? Craig's a gooner forever. I'm a gooner for life. Goodbye, everyone. Again. Hyfitt still gets mad at me for... I can't even remember.

What is it that I say? Skeeting for Lusting. Oh, yeah. Oh, Jesus. Oh, no, buzz. Yeah, no. There's different saying, I think Ash and Gentie will be a bust versus... Ash and Jentee's busting.

Those are different things. For the generation that was never named Jim, those are different things. And I know you know it. I know you know it. Yeah. You know that saying Ashton Genti busting is not okay. No, I think it's, I understand what I'm saying and I still like to do it. Okay.

Because it makes me mad, though. Right. Correct. That's the older brother. My anger is right. It is a righteous battle. I, come on. The skiing thing is purely a bit.

I don't go fuck, but it makes you guys mad. So we're going to keep. doing it. Right. Hyve, it's like, oh, one of all brothers fight, whenever a brother's trying to annoy the other one, what you have to do is ignore it and it'll go away. But we can't do that. No. That's a good point. All right, goodbye everyone again, again.