The Ringer NFL Show - The Mock Draft Oscars

Episode Date: March 7, 2024

The guys start by discussing the Giants moving away from Saquon Barkley and why it’s both a sad breakup and the right thing for the team to do (1:42). Next, inspired by the upcoming Academy Awards, they go through DK’s updated mock draft on The Ringer’s 2024 NFL Draft Guide … Oscars-style! (5:58). Check out our 2024 Ringer NFL Draft Guide here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please check out theringer.com/RG to find out more or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Craig Horlbeck, and Ben Solak Social: Kiera Givens and Jack Sanders Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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No, it's because my cat is here. My cat is here on my lap. That's no excuse. Come on. Play like a champion. He was going to leave. He's just a baby. All right.

We are doing the NFL draft. D.K. Oh, look what's up? He's doing the voice. You like the cat voice. I will say that is a good rule that you shouldn't do your cat voice in front of other people. Yes. Mm-hmm.

Let's see how long I can hold that. It's just a little nice. This is the podcast? Are we doing a podcast right now? Is this happening? Sequin Barclay is leaving the Giants. Yes. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Seekone's going to leave. That's why I need my cat. It's an emotional therapy cat. I'm just losing it right now. That's good. It's good to love your cat.

I'm sorry, Sequin's leaving. Hafeus, would you rather lose your cat or Sequin? Wow. I mean, the cat, that's not even close. Whoa. No, no, no, sorry. Keep, no, I'm not getting rid of my cat. Oh, okay, okay.

I'll never get rid of my cat. Okay. I mean, even right there, I just instinctively chose my cat. I didn't even know what you'd said. No, so, I mean, I am sad. We're going to get to the mock draft. He could get at Niflodraft. 3.com in a second, but Seekwan

leaving. He hasn't gone anywhere yet, but it's kind of just been immutually. I feel like all the running backs. Derek Henry just did his little mic drop at the end of the last Titans game and El Sequin and everyone's just like, all right, bye. I'm like so sad about this. I know this is the right thing to do. Like it's like your rational brain versus your emotional brain. Like running backs get paid less than every position than punters and kickers. And like you can replace Seekwan with three people for like 20% of the cost to get 80 or 90% of it back. And like, yes, invest in your line and this is the right move. But doing the right thing sucks. Like this sucks. I love Seekwan. He's,

He's a great player. He's a great teammate. He's a captain. And he's great off the field. He's a role model. And like, I love this guy. He's everything you want in New York. He's a star on the field. He's, he's just everything you could have wanted in New York City. And it just sucks that the quote unquote right thing is to boot this guy. He's like Leo DiCaprio his ass till he's 27 years old. And it's sad because, you know, I mean, they've really never been good with him on the team. And like he doesn't want to leave. Say Quote loves the team. around in 2021, Craig. It was pretty pretty.

It may, 2022. I don't know that the same season was. Two years ago. Sure, but like, it's sad that this man has been in this team that really has not been successful his entire career.

And yet he still doesn't want to leave because he loves the city and the team and the fan base so much. Yeah. They're breaking up with him. It's sad. There definitely is a like, you know, the meme where there's the two sides

of the bus and the one kid on the same on the one side is really sad. The other kids just looking at that, right? The sad side is like understanding positional value. Like, you know, optimal team building. And then the happy side is just like, that boy nice. And that's what Seyphone was, right? Like should you have taken him as early as you did?

No. Should you pay a running back big money? No. But if you sit on the happy side of the bus, he's like, oh, look at the big fast man, be big and fast. Like that, I wish we could all go back to consuming football that way. There's some life lessons there. There's some big lessons, I think, to be had there.

And I agree with you. So you're right. So they never should have drafted his Sequin. It's like his legacy honestly would be he was the last running back who will ever be drafted in the top two. And I think about all the time of the cults traded up to the third pick. Sorry, the Colts traded down with the Jets and the Jets took Darnold. The Giants could have traded down with the Jets if they would have done a deal.

Got three second round picks. The Giants could have took Quentin Nelson at guard, Nick Chubb at running back in the second round. Instead of he took Sequin and Will Hernandez at guard with no three second round picks. But then also just, I don't know. I think pro football focused it so much to do running backs don't matter and all this stuff. I think the point is like I get that running backs don't matter in the terms of building a team. And like there's all these Super Bowl teams that haven't paid running backs in one. But I would say like Sequin, like running backs don't matter. But like Sequin mattered to me.

And I'm sad. That's all. And I hope he crushes it wherever he goes. I don't really fully buy into the running that running backs don't matter thing anymore. No, it's very bad. Just going to leave that out there. Absolutely matter. 100% unequivocally.

But like you can't have the conversation a healthy way. I just really want the Giants to like go give like a decent mid-tier deal to Tony Pollard. So that way every giant's paying. He can be like, but why? Like that's what I'm rooting for. Honestly, and I feel like a lot of Finns feel this way. like Derek Henry, Josh Jacobs. It makes sense to give up on Derek Henry

when he's like almost 30. But imagine explaining to like a nine-year-old Titans fan that well, Derek Henry historically is probably a very poor investment. Yeah, exactly. I just want to watch the big man be fast. It's just like a literal demigod walking among us. You're like, I don't know about that guy.

And you're like, yeah, he's like a used car. His second you drive off the lot, half the value. My guy. So sorry to Titans fans and Derek Henry started charges fans losing Austin Neckler and half your available veterans. the running back market's crazy. It's going to be Seekwon, Derek Kennedy, Eckler, Josh Jacobs,

Tony Pollard, Deonti, Deontez-Swil Elliott-Dobbins, and Tonya Gibson, E. We're going to get to all that next week. Got the Adam Schaefter drinking game. We'll do free agency and everything next week. Today we're going to get to one of my favorite episodes we do all year. The mock draft Oscars, baby. Woo!

Craig, you help out on the town, which is one of our Hollywood podcasts here and one of our best stuff that we have here at the ring. You watch the Oscars, Craig. Tell us what they're like. Tell you what the Oscars. Oscars are like Are you going to the Oscars this year?

I am. I am attending this year. Okay. But seriously, like, let's pretend there's someone on the call who's like, I don't know, never seen the Oscars. Maybe like two people on the Oscars. Anywhere from one to two people who haven't watched it once. But,

but okay, that's fine that if you haven't seen the Oscars, but you've seen an awards show because they're all very similar. I'm joking. I understand how the Oscars are. I've seen enough clips of it. Like, there's big stage.

There's a host who makes jokes. Yes. And then they give awards. And they put the camera on people. when they win the award. This is so shocking, even though they knew it was going to happen. Yeah, honestly, you pretty much summed it up.

There's some performances. There's some bits throughout the broadcast. It's usually like three, three and a half hours. There's a host that everyone makes fun of a lot. Jimmy Kimmel's hosting this year. He hosted last year as well. That's like this show, except the people make fun of this host during the telecast.

It's a good crop of celebrity this year. Like the people at the top, like Christopher Nolan is probably going to win best director. like that's cool he's never done that before big names Emma Stone is nominated you know Barbie and Marga Robbie are nominated for the best picture so Robert Dennis Jr. is probably going to win his first

Oscar so there's a lot of like big celebrity storylines this year. Is it always celebrities yeah? Depends on the level of it. There are years where like the movie Nomadland won best picture have you heard of that movie? We should have Matt Bellany

follow sports we should come on to have Matt Bellany like Solek explained the draft and Bellany's like aren't there always good players? It's so like, aren't there like celebrities in the first round? Aren't they good? Here are three of the last six

best picture winners. Coda, Nomadland, and the shape of water. The shape of water is the one where the woman liked the fish man. Right. There was the meme about the fish man.

This year is like, oh, you know, last year was like, Top Gun was nominated. That's cool. This year it's like Barbie Oppenheimer. A lot of the commercial hits this year are also nominated,

which usually isn't always the case. Okay. That makes sense. I got that. So you're saying that like the past year where the best quarterback was Kenny Pickett, and this year the best quarterback is. Exactly.

Exactly. Speaking of my language. Now we're talking. Okay. That was actually a perfect comp. Well done. So, D.K. That was a compliment, by the way.

It's just so stunning. I just like, Craig has compliment to me in six years. I was like, just a genuine. Wow. I was like, good job. I don't know what to say. I'm so speechless.

I didn't write anything down. I'd like to take the academy. me. He short-circuited because you gave him a compliment. Yeah, we are going to do that, though. So, DeK. And So-Dke has a mock draft up at NFLdraft.com. Sorry, Craig doesn't like when I say the Earl out loud. But it's also in the episode description. Or on Twitter's wherever. So Deke has a mock. We're going to go through the mock and we're going to give awards in the mock. And then Deakin's still like give their acceptance speeches. And yeah, if they go on too long, like maybe I am right now, then at some point, producer

Kai might hypothetically give them a little hit, play the music guy. Which, by the way, this music, it is the playoff music for the Oscars from like 10 years ago. It's the OG playoff music. I can just visualize that people pushing guys, kind of like ushering them off the stage, kind of just getting too close to them. And it's well-paced. It's kind of like a fast-paced song

which kind of gets your heart pumping. This is stressing me out. This music is stressful. Email us at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. Do we know Craig who's powered through the music the most? Like how long is the longest they've ever had to play that. Like, has anyone ever gotten to the end? I don't know. That music jacked the end of the song.

Do they like an over, under like the national anthem. I would think that they were rooting me on when they play that music. I'm like, oh, they're a love him what I'm saying. They give me a little sound like, let's go. It's like Novak Djokovic when he gets booed. He just pretends people are cheering for him. It's like, imagine the music. They're like, oh, they want me to stay.

We're going to do, we're going to do awards like this actor, supporting actor and stuff like that. And then we have funnier, kind of like more niche non-on-oscur technically awards that I will try to help explain as we do this. But we basically came up with nominations for every single award here, but we don't know who D.K. and Ben are going to pick. So we have nominations for each category, and then D.K. and Ben are going to surprise us with their selections, just as it, just as if it were a real award show. So that's fun.

You're saying this is not a real award show? Well, I guess it is. Sure. Why not? All right. Well, you want to present the first award? Yeah, the first award is Best Actor, which on our show is going to be the best quarterback fit. We changed it from last year. We just did Best Quarterback. was best actor. But this year, it's like, look, Caleb Williams is the best quarterback.

So we want to do the best quarterback fit. The nominations are Caleb Williams to Chicago. Remember, this is all based off Danny Kelly's latest mock draft, which you can check out. Best quarterback fit. Caleb Williams to Chicago. Drake May to Washington. Jayden Daniels, the quarterback out of LSU to New England.

And the Michigan quarterback JJ McCarthy to the Vikings, D.K. And the Oscar goes to. The Oscar goes to... I'm going to go with Jay, McArthur to Minnesota. I think if you're purely talking about best landing spot, best fit in terms of schematics and weaponry around him,

the coaching staff, I'm pretty confident in all the things that Minnesota has to offer on those levels. You're getting Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison as I was going to say, is this more of just like best team to join? Yeah, this is 100%. And this goes exactly to what Hyphids and I've always talked about is nature versus nurture lodge. Nature always wins. No, nurture wins in this case because you're landing in a spot.

that has a really strong support system offensively. You're going to have like a solid run game, and that's important, but most importantly, like legitimately one of the best receivers in the NFL to help elevate your game. You have a very good number two in Jordan Edison. You have T.J. Hawkinson,

when he comes back from his ACLTor, obviously it might not be until the second half of the year, but there's three really, really good playmakers there. And that just makes it so much easier. Such a big impact for a guy like JJ McCarthy. That's not to say he's my favorite quarterback in this class. Uh-oh. But I very,

I was very, very close to picking Drake May because I really like the receivers for the Washington commanders too, but I ultimately decided to go to Jay Walker. Thank you to my producers. Thank you, Jack. Thank you, uh, Comer. Thank you. Everybody who's involved. Thank you.

Oh, sorry. Thank you, Kai. Kind of, even though Kai's the one that's playing me off. I had to thank him. I do think the nurture thing is legit. I don't know if I get, I'm like the guy who goes on for the speech after the speech, but the nurture, I will just say the Falcons are going to sign Kirk Cousins, maybe, but the Vikings, how often do you get, thinking about landing it here as a quarterback. Kevin O'Connell is a coach good enough that he was just talking to Josh Dobbs through a headset

and got him through a game when he didn't know what he was names and then you actually have two offensive times. But he could only get him through the first game though. Like the last one's after that he couldn't really do it. But he has two offensive tackles, Justin Jefferson, T.J. Hawkinson. When was the last time a quarterback picking, like being picked in the top 10 or 11 is going to have infrastructure as good as Justin Jefferson Hawkinson and a top five offensive line? It's kind of crazy.

Plus Addison. Oh, yeah, right, Jordan Edison. Yeah. I mean, they have like three legitimate, very good receivers. It's like you taking your cat in Sam off the street. Like, I mean, no brainer. You have you and Jackie taking care of this thing in your lovely apartment? Like, this cat's going to thrive.

Jackpot, just like absolute hit the lottery here. So here, next award here, I'll give the, so best supporting actor, which we're going to go through is best receiver fit from DK's Mark draft. So we have Ohio State legend Fred Harrison. No, not really. Marvin Harrison Jr. To Arizona Cardinals. We have Washington to college. Wide receiver, Roma, Dunezay, going to the New York football giants.

LSU receiver Malik neighbors going to the Tennessee Titans. LSU wide receiver Brian Thomas going to the Buffalo Bills. Georgia tight and Brock Bowers going to Cincinnati Bengals and Texas wide receiver, nay, Georgia wide receiver, A.D. Mitchell going to the Kansas City Chiefs. So you say nay, like it was his maiden name? Yeah, your maiden name. That's how I do the kids who transferred. I liked it.

It was very seamless. I was going to say, that was pretty good. We have to, in all serious, this, we have to find a way to be like, that guy played at the other college. Like, no, it was both. Via, I think it works too. Anyway, so of all those, TK, or sorry, Solac, which of those do you think is the best wide receiver fit? My favorite fit here is Romadunzee going to the Giants at six. You've seen now a couple of, you've seen now a couple of people link the Giants.

to quarterbacks in the first round. They've done their work on the guys. JJ McCarthy's odds at Fandwell being a giant have skyrocketed over the last several weeks. It's clear that they feel like they need a big offensive improvement. And if you can't get the quarterback, I think the best thing to do is get the wide receiver one. Do you guys know who the number one target getter was for the Giants last year

in terms of total targets? Slaten. Darius Slayton was 79. Behind him, Wondell Robinson was 78. Behind him, Darren Waller was 74. I love a spread-the-wealth offense, but I think ideally you have like a, primary target getter.

That to me can be Roma Dunesay, who is like A to A minus in every single trait in the book there is for wide receiver play. I've been noodling on a comp for him for a little bit, and I finally dropped in my notebook this week. He reminds me with Devante Adams sometimes, just in terms of the smoothness, there was the downfield, the catch-through contact, the separation. Like, he is just all that in a bag of chips. So I think Oduzze walks in and tells you something about Daniel Jones, but then also

if Daniel Jones isn't your guy and you go for a new quarterback, whether it's in the second round this year or in the first round next year, you have that wide receiver one in place to maximize him. So that's why I like Houdoon's aid to the Giants. Bullittles, boy! Get out of here, Kai. Who do you think you are? He just finished reading his thank you list. He's out.

That was incredible. It's always a flex when actors walk up and they're like, thanks to the Academy, and they just bail. You're going to go get drunk. My next one is just the answer. By the way, Solac, not to accuse you of not reading my comps, but I got to Monta Adams for my comp as well.

Oh, that I didn't know, which literally makes me happy. Well, just, so, like, if you want to read it, you can just go to NFLDraft.3. I heard of it, heard of it. And you can click. I try, well, so, like, in all seriousness, I try actively not to read D.K.'s scattering reports and comps until we've, like, definitely talked about a guy a lot because I want to come in with, with authentically different opinions or authentically the same opinions if you have them. Actually, that is the right moves. Yeah. No, D.K. and I, like, DK and I will be at the senior bowl and he'll start talking prospects, and I'll, like, leave.

You don't want to do too much of the cross thing until, like, you get closer to April. It's like how sometimes before we start recording, we'll get into like an argument. We'll be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, we're doing the pod before the pod. Hold it. Yeah. Yeah, we do the show, yeah. Speaking of which, you know what else I like about the comp with Devante Adams and Romadunze? Didn't say, didn't Devante Adams at the combine and also post a slower three-cone time than JJ McCarthy and then stay there for eight hours trying to do it until midnight until his last one there.

And ultimately failed. If he did, it would have been honorable. And maybe there was just Roma Dunesley, I don't know. I love, I think Roma Dunesley, the word I would describe him is he's a professional. Like every now and then there's a player that is just so much more. Is that his name? Is that his full name? 98% sure, yes. It is. Wow.

One of the reasons I put Rome to the Giants, I think this is gaining steam because a lot of people have Malik neighbors and have put Malik neighbors to the Giants. In fact, I asked Haifitz before I did the mock, like what he thought, what his reaction to that was. And Hyfitz was like, I don't know. Like, isn't Malik neighbors the most explosive? guy ever. But the way I look at it is if you believe in the idea that you build your receiver room to be like a basketball team where you have different types of receivers and

different sizes and different skill sets, Romadunes-A is like the perfect compliment to the other guys that the Giants have in terms of like Jalen Hyatt last year they drafted. He's really explosive. He can take the top off of the defense. He can really get deep. He can play that role. You got Juan Del Robinson who is like underneath an intermediate guy can take, you know, screenplays. He's almost a running back. He did play. running back in college for a while. And then obviously, Darren Waller kind of up the seams. You get Roma Dunesay, he's, like, going to dominate on third downs and in the red zone.

And it's like you have this complete package of receivers. So we find out about his name. I'm pretty sure his just Rome. His name is Rome. That's his first name. My first scouting report on Roma Dunesay was I heard the name. I was like, all right, good bro. I'm so certain that Kevin Harlan is going to be screaming that name in three years.

No question in my mind. I just take it over his running gainer. That was impressive as hell. So next award here, we have, Best editing? Yeah. We're about ready to go to commercial. Hey, how dare you?

It is an extremely important part of the filmmaking process, and we're comparing that to the offensive lineman of the NFL. It is the bedrock of a team, just as it is of a film. It makes the offense flow. It makes the film flow. It actually is a good take because you're not, like, a good lineman basically never gets noticed. And like Scraesey's editor, you only get noticed if you're like,

this movie's too long. Phelma, Schoonmaker, I believe, is his longtime editor. She's, she's falling off. That would also be a good wide receiver name. I stock up for

Belmont shoemaker, was it? Dude, we should just throw that in draft guys when you. So there's, there's actually, there's like, we have like 10

offensive linemen nominated. I kind of don't want to name all of them. It's, I find that to be a waste of time. So, you want to work through it really quick like it's been

a waste of time. I guess. Talisa Fouago a fashado tripping. Yeah, no, that's, okay,

who is going to win the Oscar for best O lineman? I am sticking with Washington here, and I'm going Washington lineman Troy Fautano to the Rams. Plug him in there at left tackle. Put him next to Steve Avila, who they picked last year.

I think that really solidifies their left side of the line. He's a very versatile player. If they ever have injuries, they can move him around. I think he's just going to be super valuable, he's super good. By the way, when we were watching the linemen work out on the field at the combine,

this guy is so smooth. He's smooth as silk in terms of his ability to move around, his footwork, his balance. He's just a really, really good athlete. And I came out of the combine liking him even more. I already liked him immediately. And I think just was validating to see that. So going with Troy Fautano.

I'm not 100% sure how to pronounce his name. So I apologize to Troy. But really good player. Thank you, Washington. Second place in college football this year. I know it's not called second place. Runner up, whatever you want to say. Second place.

Very proud of you guys. Go Washington. Go dog. All right. You're dubbed. It's always. But this whole offensive line class is like particularly great this year, right? Like we have 10 nominees for a reason, which is to show that this is like a particularly

deep. This is like it's just an honor to be nominee. Like everyone here is good. 10 linemen. Yeah. I think you have 10 offensive linemen in the first round of your draft. Yeah. And I think it's actually pretty realistic.

That could happen, which is wild. Because I think we did the research before like the high is seven tackles taken in the first round. So we could see eight, nine in this in this class. And especially considering there's just like, and Ben was talking about this last show, there's not like a ton of like blue chip talent that's already locked into the first round. You could definitely see teams just being like, look, we're going to take a tackle. It's going to help us. There's a, there's a big shortage of good tackles in the NFL right now.

So I could just see like kind of the stars line needs to have a bunch of tackles going the first round or just offensive line in general. We're talking about the most offensive tackles ever to be taken in a first round. But I think the other interesting part of it to me is like, you know, how many quarterbacks could you rank one? it's like probably Caleb Williams. Some people have Drake May. It's probably one or two. So like, I'm curious, how many offensive tackles could you put as the best one in this

class and you would take it seriously? I feel like there's four, maybe five guys that someone, a team could have as the best tackle on their board. And then from like, and so I'm curious, is it actually elite or is it just there's a lot of guys that are good? And then there's also a lot of guys that are kind of like projects with high upside, but also low floors. I would struggle if someone had had a non-joal,

non-olulu fushanu player as OT1. Joe Wads out of Notre Dame, Olufushanu is out of Penn State. Those to me have been the top two guys for the entire process. Deservately so, they remain the top two guys. Talis Fulaga at Oregon State's got a lot of popularity recently. I think he's a big guy and he's a road grader and he holds the point of attack well and he's decent past protection.

Lateral quickness is a question mark. Amarius Mims, who I love to death. I'm going to talk about him more in a second. You have to be honest about the limited number of games he's playing in the injuries. I acknowledge that there's a bunch of good tackles in this class, but to me, if you don't have all or for Sean who is OT1, I'd be surprised. I think it is those two guys up at the top, like clear top 10 prospects.

Everybody else is like first round pick, like good, you know, top 20 guy, top 30 guy, but top 10, it's those two for me. I just think every year teams, like it's not fun, but it's just, it's nice that if you actually need a tackle, but then they're all gone before you pick. It's just nice that teams that just need tackles. I mean, we get them. I don't think this is a ward. I think we just have like something breaking out here.

Yeah, it's a me slapping D.K. This is my Will Smith moment, which I am aware of because of its natural prominence and not because of my Oscar doing. That's right. Will Smith save the Oscars? They say Tom Cruise saved movies. Will Smith save the Oscars. The Oscars is fun again now.

I will maybe watch this year because I want to see a fight. So wait, did he slap him last year? Two years ago. Two years ago. Did more people watch this past year? Like, do the numbers up? Yes. Huge.

Dude. This is an industry plant. If we want to get the pot numbers up, if we want to get the stats up for the Fandall TV, we know what to do, all right? The missive is clear. Yeah, why do you think Hafeitz and I fight so much? Absolutely.

That's right. It's all a ruse. Hyfitz is actually quite calm. True. I'm not annoying at all. But yes, this is to the, Ben, based on D.K.'s mock, which GM would you want to slap after the first round?

I would be slapping Joe Horitz, which, George Ortiz, excuse me, who is the new general manager of the Los Angeles Chargers. Who also looks like me. Yes, exactly, which is why me slapping you is very, it's like, yeah, it's like transitive property or something. It's a good transitive slap.

Can you run through the picks that the Chargers made that make you want to slap, Joe? Yeah, so the issue here is that three quarterbacks go top three, as expected. I think that's kind of where we're going to be this year in the draft. At four, Marvin Harrison, Jr., wide receiver to the Arizona Cardinals, great. At five with the Chargers, and we're not trading picks yet. I think this is a great candidate to trade back. D.K., who I've been very big on the Chargers taking a tackle. I'm like, they got to take a tackle.

Tackle makes the most sense for this team. You know, benefit of this team, go for it. Tackle is super smart. DK said, yeah, for sure, 100%. And took Amerius Mims out of Georgia, which I love Amerius Mims, okay? I got caught up in it. I got caught up in the moment. He's by darling.

He's incredible. He's beautiful. I love him. He's talented. He's great. He's excellent. He has started eight games, Daniel slash Joe, which is one of you are.

blaming here. He has had multiple ankle issues. And as a 340 pounder, you don't like it when that guy has foot and ankle injuries because that's a lot of mass that he's taking, he's carrying on that joint every single snap, every single rep, every single step. So, like, Mims is very enticing to me. I've said before I would take Mims top 10. Like, I think that the ceiling there is astronomical. Above Joel and Olufushanu, not on your life, brother. That to me is keep a various Mims name out of your mouth, at least until you get like pick 11. One, I'm not going to lie, we should put up a side-by-side. Should we think it would you be offended if we put up a side-by-side of you and Joe Ortiz?

We got, yeah, if we can find a picture where he has a beard. Because he shaved his beard off for the common and did not look like me nearly as much. But when he's got his beard, look, I can see it, okay? I get a lot of Tim Robinson. Tim Robinson? Yes, Tim Robinson. I mean, Joe Ortiz, you actually do. He looks like your older evil brother.

He fits, what do you want me to say? People tweet at me all the time about it, you know? I don't exactly want to look like Tim Robinson. No offense, Tim. Damn. He's not exactly like a sex symbol. How could you not be offended a little by that? I don't want to look like Tim Robinson. No offense. The Ameris Mims thing, you know what's funny?

He's like, I got caught up in it. Craig, isn't this how the real Oscars work? I was listening to Bill's pod with Matt Bellany and they were talking about the Oscars voting. And they were just talking about how, you know, the campaigns and Leo didn't campaign for himself and all this stuff. And I'm just like, why can't people just like watch movies? and then like pick their favorites. Like it's kind of, it's wild to me how this all works.

Uh, yeah, you know, the Hollywood reporter, uh, every year they do this thing that Matt Bellany actually started where they, they interview an academy voter anonymously and that they tell you who they voted for and why.

And this one person, who I think is in the art department, voted for Robert Downey Jr. For best supporting actor, despite him not really thinking he was the best performer, he thought there was other actors who were great like Ryan Goss. But he goes, I met Robert Downey Jr.

at an academy party, and he was so charming and nice. And it's like, that is just the perfect encapsulation of, like, how all of this works. So I couldn't believe that. This is how the world works, guys. That's exactly what I was saying about. Bill was saying how Robert Downey Jr. He's the betting favorite to win supporting actor. And I got to tell you.

Heavy. He's like minus 5,000. I watched Oppenheimer like the week. I did Barbentheimer. I did both back to back. Yeah. I never in a trillion years would have thought anyone would walk out of Oppenheimer and think, man,

Robert Downey Jr. Unforgettable performance. I didn't know who's in that movie. I thought he was getting it for a separate movie. It's honestly like they're giving him at Hollywood like Lifetime Achievement Award for just having been in Ireland. Yeah, there's a big part of that stuff.

It's like Jamie Lee Curtis winning for everything everywhere last year. Like was that really the best performance of her career or of that category? Probably not. But people love Jamie Lee Curtis. She's a Hollywood icon. She did a ton of campaigning and the movie was hot. And that's how it works. It's so dumb.

With all due respect All to movies Zoom out just like 10 feet and you're like Look at the Oscars and tell me that any of this matters

For any reason Like who cares Like this is a bunch of people Subjectively deciding Which movie was the best That's the NFL draft There's a bunch of people Subjectively deciding

Which players are the best But at least you get to watch them perform And they can affect the team And it's like What is this? We're just like retroactively giving it a word Would you like to proactively give it award? The best movie of 2025

goes to Ben, we're proactively giving awards on this very podcast. That's true. Holy shit. We call the community we call those grades, but I see it's fair. At the same time, though, at the same time, I will say, the Alex Smith-Haron-Rogers thing, they took Alex Smith first and the Niners did, and they were like, yeah, met Alex Smith, nice guy, super charming.

Held a door open for someone. See, I don't mind that the Oscars is chaos and all based on nothing, because, like, what are we doing in general? Like, Hollywood is unimportant, and, like, it's ridiculous. Yeah, okay, somebody votes to Robert Dena Jr. Because he, like, made them laugh at a party. That's Hollywood in a nutshell. Be careful who you're nice to and who you're mean to.

Yeah. It's a relationship's business. Also, Kai, Kai, these are still awards. Fallen asleep on the job. Guy. Kai, you're letting us talk on this podcast? You're going to keep the broadcast going now. You're allowing us to have conversations?

You're getting fired. Kai is a man of, he's a resident. They had a fortitude and grace. If I were in control of this audio, every minute I would be playing this. Anytime anyone says three senses in a row, I'd be dropping it. I think Craig was too nice to Kai off Mike, and then he just felt bad, so he didn't play the music. That's right. Meanwhile, meanwhile, Haifitz was really mean to him, so we just got to get Hyphids to start talking here.

So, yeah, I want to speak. The Lifetime Achievement Award, though, Downey Jr. gets one. I think I would like, you know, you get the honor of presenting Boonex at Oregon, the quarterback with the Lifetime Achievement Award. He's like the Robert De Niro of his draft. It's just been in show business for so long. Bo Nex, by the way, the most experienced starting quarterback of all the time.

There we go. Boomer Boehnick, 61 starts in college football, all-time record. He's been around since, I don't even know, the mid-2010s sometime. I don't know. We lose track. He's been in college football for six years. Boomer Bo-Boh-Nix.

is older than Trey Lance. What are some of the movies? What are some of the movies that were going on when Bownix started in college football? That's what I want to know, right? There's been six Spider-Man movies since, like, Bo Nix enrolled in college. Wasn't he in the same draft class as Trevor Lawrence?

He's the same high school class. Retreating class? Yes, as Trevor Lawrence. And my other favorite one is that Bo Nix is like almost a full year older than Leo Channal, who's a linebacker for the Chiefs. Leo Chenault has won two Super Bowls

and he's like, younger than Bo Nex and Bo Nex is still at college. What a great career. I just like to look back on Bo Nex's career with admiration. Just the work ethic, pure stamina to stay in it for so long. Got to really hand it to him. When the league talks about why they like Bo Nex, they're like tons of starting experience.

And they're like, yeah, because he couldn't leave. It wasn't good enough. They wouldn't let me leave. There's an interesting like sinusoidal, like there's like a graph. There's like an up and down where it's like, hey, if you leave early, like redshirt sophomore, that's pretty good, right?

You're young and you can still develop and that's great. If you leave as a senior, like, why were you in college for so long? It took you a while to develop. You're only 23. If you,

but then if you get through that valley, it turns back up, it's like, man, this guy's got a ton of reps. He's ready to go. Both found a way through the valley. It's very impressive.

That actually, now that I think about it is probably the way we should be talking about the super seniors that are Bonix and Benix where it's kind of like drinking where it's like, like if you're in high school

and you're an 11th grade and you get invited to like the 12th grade parties. Like that's kind of cool. Like you're going up a level. And, you know, parting with people your age is pretty normal. It's like, you want to dominate athletes.

Like, at 11th grader, you want varsity kids who can dominate a grade up. That means you're probably like, could be elite. And like, Bo Nex is kind of the kid is drinking with kids like exclusively like two grades lower.

Like him and Kenny Pickett and Michael Pennick kind of did have to wait until they were super seniors to be able to beat the, the softwares in college. Boex is like, that's why I love, dazed and confused.

I love these high school quarterbacks. I get older and they stay the same age. Jack points out in the chat that the movie that came out when Bonix started in college football in 1917, which is funny because it's the year it seems like he started college football. Hey. Hey-oh. Anyways, he's been in college football since 2019. 1917, good movie.

Good movie. Great movie. The best feature of Bonix's long career was how when he was a freshman starter at Auburn, his pops had been in Auburn. they would interview as Pops and they'd be like Are you proud of Bo Nex? And he's like, yeah, I'm super proud of him It's so great, it's awesome

And then six years later He's at Oregon playing the And Pact 12 championship in their interview is fault Like hey, you proud of your son? He's like, yep. I'm still, it's great, isn't it? That's fair, that's fair.

Now he's got a happy. Kai was right. He's getting a little trigger happy on us. Yeah. Wait, we should say, do you have, you don't have him going in the first round Bo Nex, DK.

Oh, I don't know. Right. Well, it's just not so of the lifetime achievement award. Right. It's like he didn't necessarily do anything in this draft. He never did any good enough to win an award. DK, could you see yourself putting him into a first round mock before the actual draft? You're about to see this hand slap you again if you do.

Too scared of Ben. Key Boenicks his name out your fucking mouth. No, I'll be honest. I think it's been kind of a funny little development during this draft period. where there was all this hype and everyone was talking about Bo Nix being like a top 10 pick before the Senior Bowl.

I haven't heard anyone talk about him one time in like the last like month. Ever since the Senior Bowl ended, no one's mentioned him. He's like erased from the entire thing. It's like he got canceled. They took him out of the movie or whatever. You know what I mean?

They've retconned him. CGM out. I think he's probably going to be a second rounder. The hype is faded and it's been replaced by J.J. McCarthy. You ever seen Bonix on his own? Not for me. All right. Next to award here, Solek, you're presenting.

Yes. The Oppenheimer Award for you've been nominated for every single category belongs to the Arizona Cardinals. Because the Arizona Cardinals get to pick like every 15 picks at this point. We're just chucking picks him. But Monti Osphor John McGannett builds something out of this. So this actually

is a very interesting through line for me in terms of this entire draft. Arizona was like in the pole position for the overall pick for a lot of the season, right? It was like between the Panthers and the Cardinals. Who's going to get this top pick? Arizona ends up winning a couple of games. They have pick four.

But with the way the quarterback market might be falling onto those top three picks, the Cardinals are still going to get the guy at four that they probably would have taken at three or at two, maybe even at one in Marvin Harrison Jr., right? They were probably never going to be a quarterback team, given the fact they had Kyler and Mary in hand. And so you have the Marvin Harrison Jr. Pick still at four. They have another first round pick because of their trade with the Texans.

They have one, two. And then they have three threes, another one from the. Texans, their own, and then they moved back with the Titans. The Titans come up and get Will Levis last year, and that gave them an extra third. They have six picks in the top 90. Everybody talks about this Texans trade. Like, oh, what a huge win. C.J. Stroud and Will Anderson.

And they're absolutely correct. The Cardinals have the chance to fill the other side of this trade with big wins in terms of the capital they've accumulated, right? Like, they have an extra first and an extra third this year because of that deal. And they right now have like two established tackles and Paris Johnson, the draft of last year, DJ Humphreys. They clearly need a wide receiver one. get that in Marvin Harrison.

And then they have like a ton of other premium needs. They need edge rushers. They need corners. And this is a good draft to need a corner. This is a deep draft for edge rushers. Not my favorite at the top, but it's a deep draft for edge rushers. So Arizona's going to show up everywhere in terms of the top guys.

And certainly I think they're going to probably move around more as well, given way that Monty ran their first draft. I like the Cardinals to like try to follow up what the Texans did with their pick last year and gets like real big franchise corners though. It's powering through. Yeah, he just didn't even. I feel nothing. I feel nothing.

I said it. Focus. 13 picks for the Cardinals, 13 nominations for Oppenheimer. Doesn't that work out? Wow, wow. Do you guys remember Nate Tice for the Athletic? He made a video with C.J. Stroud at the Super Bowl, I think it was.

And they were analyzing some play, and it was against the Cardinals. And C.J. Shroud was saying, like, the Cardinals are really good. Like, they're underrated. Oh, yeah, their defense year? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. You know, Jonathan Gannon and their coach, defensive-minded guy. Do you guys think, I mean, the NFC West,

this year, if the Cardinals make the leap with all these picks and the Marvin Harrison, Kyle Murray back healthy, NFC West could be like easily one of those competent divisions in the NFL. I also think the Niners are going to fall off, frankly. Like after, I think they're classic Super Langer than team.

And the vibes are so bad in San Francisco. I love your take that you're like, this is going to, like, just like that interception in the Super Bowl, like destroyed Russell Wilson, the Seahawks. You were like, the Niners are going to crumble from within because of this game. Oh, do you want this? Okay, here, I just collect, I happen to collect a bunch of Niners quotes this morning.

Kyle Shaden apparently tried to hire Steve's Bagnolo from the Chiefs to be the defensive coordinator. That's super sad. Kyle Shannon said, this is real. You do have to grieve. That's kind of sad. Yikes. John Lynch was like, this will stay with us forever.

And I'm like, this is all just trickling out. And I'm like, yeah, if they don't, if they lose to the Chiefs in the regular season, they're going to collapse, like, Eagle style. Damn. Heck yeah. Go birds. So I simultaneously believe the Cardinals are a little underrated and can be better than than we expect them to be coming off last year, while also believing that C.J.

Stroud, who's played one year of NFL football, is not. at a point in his career where he can accurately be like, this team's actually pretty good, you know what I'm saying? Like, he's not like even as incredible as he was. There's nothing offensive players more than being like, you know, it was really underrated this 27th ranked defense? And it's always just because they were like a- Whoever we faced.

Right, exactly. Like, I do not, I put no stock in CJ's perspective at this time, but I also agree with him. I'm playing both sides. So I always come out on time. He just happened to be right. Yeah. This is like the,

Devanti Adams comp for D.K. It's like, I put no stock in what Dekke said, but he's right. It is correct. Yeah. It's critical. Give no credit to anyone else but yourself, but also take their taste and they're accurate. Nice. Professional.

All right, next award here. I'm not, the, what is this? This is the Bradley Cooper Maestro Award for the biggest. Craig, don't give it to him. Does that he say it? Oh, right. Sorry, I wasn't there. Craig wasn't here. You weren't here.

Have we just, Justice on the shows, you weren't there for the moment of the Grand Maestro. What is there to discuss? Yeah, did we debrief? I was in no way surprised. I got texting like, what? Hyvins said Toledo yesterday. I got text being like, what is Hyvitz's deal?

And I was like, I don't know, man. No context he did. That's a big question. Yeah, you know. Wait, I actually do have groundbreaking news to you for your Ivits. My friend who you know, Chris Barlow, the best man in my wedding. We were at a bar watching a game, I don't know, a couple weeks ago. And we sat down and the bar, the name of the bar is Sunny McLeans.

And Chris goes, you want to meet at Sonny's. And I was like, excuse me? What? There are thousands of us. Yeah, and he literally said like, holy shit, am I high fits? I was like, I think you are. So, there you go. that is incredible

that's dude sonny there you go and he literally did the same thing he's like the sonny and share thing like he thought it was sony and share he didn't get into that but he got in he used the same argument how I've said about like spelling he was like it doesn't make sense if you spell it it's the two ends it's Ronnie

no we know we know we know we know we know we know we know it's so obvious except rabbit bunny you want to go 30 something 20 something years are how old are you 28 28 years without hearing the name Sunny. I thought everyone else was wrong. You thought all of the characters

were pronouncing their own family member's name in Greece. I just thought multiple things were right. It's like, why did the British just get to spell all these words differently? Descenters it E-R-R-E at the end? I don't know. I guess there's multiple things can be true

at the same time. I don't know. The maestro thing, yeah. No, I've listened to this segment of the pod. Sometimes I like to feel like I'm just listening to the fantasy show live. And I'm not involved in the pot at all. I get to be here, like, oh, it's my friends, my buddies making their jokes.

The other thing, though, is like a lot of people hit me up after the Maestro Fiasco and they were like, Fiosco? That was a bit, right? You put an accent on the A day. That was just to make it rhyme, right? Did you mean to do that? He's frozen. No.

The Maestro Fiasco. No, you could say it fiasco. No. No, no, no. No. No. No. What?

You can say, Again, wait, you've never, okay, are you saying fiasco? Is Hyvetts like an Italian man born in, you know how I feel. I think that he pipe was in a closet somewhere in the ringer offices and only let him out to record the pod with us and just give him a dictionary and go like you say these words. Hyattis it's fiasco. So he's sunny when they slowly realize Charlie can't read. Yes, exactly. You have pirates in there?

That says private. Like I, I'm sure an Italian man or somebody, you know, would say. fiasco, but in our accent, it is typically fiasco. Not typically, exclusively. What about the rapper, Lupe Fiasco?

Lubei fiasco. Lubei fiasco. It's not English. This is the theme with all these words. My ask Toledo. You're going to discover a lot about this language that is much, much, much younger than other languages. It stole a lot of words.

are all Latin etymology. Do you not understand that, like, yes, we acknowledge these are all, like, probably Latin-based word, like, the Latin languages. However, in America, the way they're pronounced is different. I mean, you say Los Angeles. You don't say Los Angeles. Well, Hyvitz is calling them like the... I'm saying Hyvitz does it?

No, Hyvitz is calling them Los Angeles Lakers instead of, like, the Los Angeles Lakers, because the the is already there? I saw a TikTok today that was along the same lines It was like a guy Someone was saying I hate to tell you Americans But it

No no no Kai This goddamn it Kaj! Anytime I start just talk about TikToks he placed me off We couldn't even We couldn't even get to the award I don't

We're talking about OTHCO will live in my mind For the rest of my life dude All right cut the music out Hold on I gotta finish my story Basically the guy was like I hate to tell you but it's pronounced croissant, not croissant.

And I'm like, and someone like stitched it was like, pal, no one in America is going to go order a croissant. Because you're not going to like America and saying, or whatever, he's like, if you wanted to say McDonald's, you say McDonald's, because that's how you say McDonald's, or whatever in the French. McDonald's. McDonald's.

You say McDonald's. I need to give context to this category because it probably sounds confusing. The Bradley Cooper Maestro Award for Biggestslaid. It's a maestro. Fiasco. Emma Stone is on my side. That's all I need. I think she was doing a bit.

Yeah. Emma Stone acting as someone intentionally mispronouncing a word is on your side. Yes, I agree. Wait, we have to drop that again when Emma Stone is like, so your movie, myastro. And Bradley Cooper is like, what? Can I ask you a little bit about myestro? Wow. I love the way you pronounce that.

What? pronounce what? Myastro. Myastro. Yeah, yeah. You're a film myastro. Sure. She's like, mayastro.

He's like, okay, sure. Sure, sure. But we're giving this award to somebody who's fallen down the board in D.K.'s mock, just like Bradley Cooper did. You know, when we heard about this movie coming out years ago, it was like, oh, Bradley Cooper was making his biopic about Leonard Bernstein. And it's going to be like a real classic Hollywood biopic, and he's going to go full meta. He practiced for six years to become a. like a trained conductor, all this stuff,

movie comes out, he goes way too hard on the campaign, has super icky, try hard energy, and now he's not going to win anything. Icky. How it relates to Brock Bowers, I think,

is basically, Brock Bowers has been like this elite prospect since the day he's stepped on the field for Georgia, and everyone's been talking about him. He's been amazing. He's,

like, been their best playmaker for three years running, and everybody loves him. Everybody thinks he's elite. Everybody thinks he's a, chip talent. And yet there's stock now that he's going to like fall to the middle of the first round or maybe

even well, you have him at 18. Yeah, just because of positional value and like how much you're going to be paying him and and the precedent that Kyle Pitts unfortunately set, which is not doing anything to help the to help the Falcons even though they picked him at number four overall. I believe they picked it before Jamar Chase.

So I think teams are looking at that and be like, well, shit, I don't want to take a tight end that early. It's not going to help us that much. It's kind of like the same deal as a running back. So it is what it is. I still think Brock Byers is one of the best players, period, in this draft. But it might fall just because of other issues. The other tricky thing with Brock is that the strength of this class is the premium positions,

like quarterback, wide super tackle. And then I don't love Edge, but some people do. So like if you're looking at tight end versus, oh, who else might be here that we like at like nine, it's usually a guy who plays an objectively super premium position. So that makes the relative measure harder. Are we sure it's not that photo? Yes. All right.

I'm not actually sure. Because there was a photo of Bradley Cooper on the cover of the New York Times Magazine, and it's him, I'll send it. It's him in his underwear laying in a river. And people were just like, I'm out. Normal thing.

I'm out. We all have that photo. Great. Wow. It's like cold. It looks cold. This is not like a warm river. There's ice.

It's like how he meditates. It's like his like Zen zone. This is the J.J. McCarthy thing here. Yeah. Oh, wait. Yeah. That's not a cool picture. That's a bad picture.

Everyone's like, we're good. Performative meditation. We're all right. We're fine. It might be, honestly, it might be the picture, though, Craig. God damn it, Kai. Can I just text back old DK to the picture of Joe Hortez? Yeah, I know. It does look like me.

What we've established here is that NFL teams are humans, too. You know, they can have biases. They can get convinced of things. You have Dave Gettleman ascend to the rank of general manager. Like, these things happen. Sometimes you make bad decisions. It really is fiasco, isn't it? Yeah, it is.

Unquestionably. Incontrovertibly. Craig, when you said Lupe Fiasco, I started wondering, is it Lupe Fiasco? I think Lupe Fiasco? It's not Lupe Fiasco? I don't know who this man is.

Now I'm questioning that. All I know is in America, we say fiasco. So like, do the next award and let me see if I can blame Lupe Fiasco for this. The next award is the indie film award. All right, this is the,

Craig tells me this is the anatomy of a fall award. Oh, Ben knows a movie. movie. It's the story of the Fall? Pardon? Oh. Different film. Great movie. Great movie. So this is our small school

prospect. This is our guy whose film was so good. Oh. Cinema. Cinema. That he earned his way into this award show, earned his way into Danny's mock draft. A little bit of an interesting thing. Right now in Danny's first round, there are only two non-power-5.

I use Power 5 as like the general, you know, old construction. All the conferences moved around. Two non-power five players right now. That's Quinnian Mitchell, the corner out of Toledo, with the Atlanta Falcons who went eight overall. And then all the way at 30, the Baltimore Ravens for D.K.

took Kingsley, Sue and Mottia, who was another offensive tackle out of BYU. Sue Mottia was a five-star in Oregon, transferred to BYU. So it was like one and a half small school guys. There are some other guys like, you know,

like I think like Darius Robinson out of Missouri, had a little like small school, Ernest Wayne to the first round. You can argue the same thing for like, Camarie Lasseter out of Georgia, Duke, pick the guy yet, Kai? I'm establishing the premise.

Too much power. It's gone to Kai's head. I'm not like this topic. I'm giving the indie film war to Quinion Mitchell, who I think legit can be a top 10 pick at corner, out of Toledo, the first corner off of the court. Toledo. Yeah, Toledo, excuse me.

This is an elite player, in my opinion. The film is incredible. The testing was out of this one of the best testers of a corner, went into the senior ball, dominated for three days. Zone, press man. man, eyes, tricking quarterbacks,

tricking wide receivers, playing cash. Like, it's just everything he does at a very high level. I compliment him to Greg Newsom coming out. I think that he's like an immediate first round pick a corner,

immediate starter corner, can be a corner one in the league. Love him very much. So the indie film this year is Quinnion. You haven't seen the Toledo guy yet? You haven't seen the Toledo kid? Go get you some Toledo film.

He's fun to watch. Toledo. Highfitt said unironically Toledo yesterday. He did. I feel like in the old days, if this was like World War II, High Fitz would have been arrested for being a spy

because he mispronounce his always. He's common words. He's like, In his bastards? Yeah, yeah, yeah. With the phase, like, oh, God, speaking the kings,

except it's my total gibberish, like made up pronunciations. Kai was quick there with the music. I think Kai hates independent cinema. Yeah, exactly. Kai wants exclusively that, you know, tried and true,

Oscar favorites. Those are the guys that he wants to win. Kami, give me George, the Marvel cinematic universe. Nobody else. Yeah, Kai doesn't get out of bed

for anything less than $200 million. And just, deservedly so. Oh, man. The next one we got here, we have the the Killian Murphy Award, the Star of Oppenheimer, the Killian Murphy Award for Looks like they eat three almonds a day. Because he famously apparently did that, I guess,

while on set for, yeah. One for each meal? Oh, my God, is that what he's doing? I thought it was one almond today. Now that I say it, this has to be fake, but it was going around that Killian Murphy ate one almond a day because he wanted to look like gaunt. Yeah, he started.

Did I say that wrong? Is that the word? No, Gaunt is right. Dismissing the rumor that he consumed only almonds for dinner during the film of Oppenheimer, Murphy said, this is apocryphal. More people got to be saying apocryphal. That's a great word. I'm not going to touch that one.

This is apocryphal. I think Emily Blunt was being very sympathetic to me when she said Killian only ate one almond a day. So Emily Blunt said of Killian Murphy that he only ate one almond a day. She's myth-making. And Killian Murphy- You know what that's called campaigning. As apocryphal. It's appropriate. It really fits the.

movie too that she was trying to prop him up as like a legendary figure and he was like just stabbed her in the back threw under the bus. I promise you within the next five podcast I will try to drop apocryphal in in just like average conversation. Popraful, such a great word. It's killer, dude. I'm going with Nate Wiggins, the cornerback out of Clemson, who is the guy that looks like he eats three almonds today. He's six foot 173 pounds, folks. Tough. That is extremely skinny. I know that we're living in a new NFL era where what is the term you use, Hyfitz. What's the expression you love? Weight is not your fate.

Right. Because we have tanked out of 160 pounds. Weight is not your fate. AJ Brown's also 6 foot 1. AJ Brown is like 220 pounds. So Nate Wiggins is the same height and 50 pounds less and I'll have to guard AJ Brown. Yeah. He's the first percentile.

He's 98th percentile speed. But Nate Wiggins is in the first percentile for weight. You remember when we were making all those jokes about a couple years ago about Soss Gardner like blowing away if it was a windy game? He weighs 190 pounds. So Manuel Forbes. was flat Stanley. Yeah,

manual forms, by the way, has not been good. So maybe it does a little bit of worrisome that he's this light. However, his tape is really good.

He's extremely athletic. He's one of the best athletes in this class. But very, very skinny, a little gaunt. Maybe he should up his caloric intake going forward.

Oh, oh, it's tough, tough look for Kai. There you got, Kai. Kai, we're going to play you off. As the music play,

player button pressure guy. You have to be able to read. If he's coming to a close, you don't want to start it right as he ends. Then he's playing for no reason. Tough look for Kai. Big Al. He can't respond.

He doesn't have a microphone. Kai, Kai, by the way, also someone who only eats almonds. Kai, yes. Almond guy. Kai loves almonds. And that's it.

Kai's on the Kili and Murphy diet. Yeah. Maybe Kili Kli Murphy just doesn't like other foods. I want to give one award here. I want to give the Margarabi slash Greta Gerwig Award because they made like the biggest movie of the year and they didn't get nominated. Margo Robbie, maybe I get, but credit

Gerwig, as you pointed out to me, once a go, Craig. How many directors could have made, took the concept of Barbie and made it both a great film and also like the biggest movie in the year? And I looked that way at Michael Pennix, not making your mock decay, is the snub because I, like, if you're just checking in in college football,

Michael Pennings, Jr., runner up for the Heisman. Some people think you should have won the Heisman, took that Washington all the way to the championship game. And you don't have them as a first rounder. I don't think you're going out of limb. I think a lot of people don't of Michael Penning's is a first rounder. And I want to just circle back to this conversation.

Is Michael Penick's a first round talent, but you're docking him because he's got injured? Or is Michael Pennex not a first round talent who also separately has had four season inning injuries? You can't separate them, though. You know what I mean? Like his play, you can set up. Like if you never knew he has had an injury history,

what would you think about him? Well, if he didn't have an injury history, he wouldn't have played for five years in the college football. He probably never would have done anything. I think just his on-field play, like, but based on the way he, can throw. I think he's a borderline first round talent. Now, I'm not everyone, and I don't think the NFL feels the same way I do. I think the NFL views him as a day two guy. So, or, you know,

potentially even worse than that. It did come out that he had, he like passed his medicals and stuff. Like it feels like the medicals were not a huge, huge issue at the combine. But there are still pretty big worries about his inability or, um, unwillingness, I guess, to like throw over the middle of field, things like that. There was a lot of. compliment's thrown his way because he was probably the best thrower of the football at the Combine, but again, the top three guys did not throw. So I don't know how much that means. He has one of the biggest hands of any quarterback in Combine history, which love that part about him. Got a big wingspan can really, really throw the rock, the rock. But like,

there's just so much that goes into quarterbacking. I think, like, the idea that he's going to be limited to, like, outside the numbers and things like that is worrisome to some teams. I like Pennix. I'm in on Penix. I am too. I'm like, you know the poster from X-Files? I want to believe.

That's me. Penix. I want to believe. I just can't get those two games out of my head. I can't get the Oregon game and the Texas game. I'm just like,

can't get out of my head. Cop out. I think he could, if he lands in a good spot for him that can offer like a good support system, I think he could be good. I don't know if he can really carry an offense. But I would not want him around one.

DK.smock draft, nifledraff, nifledraff, 3.com. Craig, do you want to plug? So Sean Fennessee does the Oscar stuff at Big Picture. And then Craig, the town, you go to the Oscars? I'm going to the Oscars.

And then we'll do it. Matt and I will talk on Monday. We'll put out a show about our experience, who won, who lost, you know, all the takeaways. Oh, is the Oscars like coming up? Is this soon? Sunday. Yep.

You serious? That's why I was like a Hy-Fitz question. Why do you think we're doing it? I thought it was just time to do it. I don't know. I will do whatever episode Hyphids tells me at any time. He consults the stars and he rolls and he rolls the knucklebones. And he's like, now is the time.

for this episode and it's usually all the time right. So like that was like a, why are you going to the airport flying somewhere? I really did not know the Oscars coming on. I have a question for Craig. Where are you guys sit when it goes to the Oscars? So I know there's like, is this one of the shows where it's like in a big auditorium and everybody sits in seats or are they at dinner tables? It sounds like a movie theater and there's three levels.

And yeah, like at the bottom level, it's like the bigger the star, the close you are out of the stage because you got to walk up. Golden Globes is tables. Oscars. Right, right. That's what I'm getting confused. So are you going to be like near a bunch of stars? You're going to get to like rub elbows with movies stars and stuff?

Are we going to see you on TV? Are you in this? Are you going to be the reaction shots? I am not on the first floor. I'm not on the top floor. I'm in the middle when I'm on the second. Sometimes they'll even put like, you know, they'll put family members of like lower level nominees in the second and third level.

It is like only the heavy hitters, the Margot Robbie's Damascones down below. If I met Cooper DeGine's dad at the Combine, you could meet someone's dad at the Oscars. I could walk by somebody. I'm not going to be sitting next to Christopher Nolan. But I could walk by it. I'm going to be watching just to try and see Craig. Yeah.

I'm going to, I got to find a prop for, will somebody streak on stage, and then I'll do it, and then I'll catch out. That guy did it at the same. Pro move. Yeah.

Just slap someone. So you'll see me. Yeah, I'm going to go slap Kimmel. Me and Matt are going to tabletop Kimmel on stage. Remember that? Tabletop. That would be.

Yeah. Tabletop was huge, huge. Pretty brutal prank. Wait, I don't know what table topping is. What is that? So don't tell him, D.K. We see you in Detroit.

We'll show you. We'll show you. I don't like this. It's cool. You'll love it. It's really fun. Oh, I don't want to tabletop DK. No, I mean, DK is a father.

You can't table top. Now I really want to know what it is. One person, one person is the victim, unbeknownst to him, someone goes behind him and, like, goes on their hands and knees behind him. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we used to do this. And then a third person, a criminal, a heartless man. Shows him.

and he falls over. No, this is something we were doing back in the day too. This is transgenerational or whatever you want to say. It's how you make friends when you're in fourth grade. Yeah, that's it.

I didn't know it's called table topping, though. That's a good name. Yeah, no, that's, wow. TBT. That's, wow. All right, email, and fancy football at gmail.com. If you have more stories about tabletopping,

questions about the draft, questions for Craig about going to the Oscars. Yeah, I fell over. It sucked. That's my story. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Solek. Thank you, Kai for play the music. Thank you, Jack, for help behind the scenes and just, I don't know, it's kicking, kicking Kai in the rear when he was late to it. Thank you, everyone for listening.

Thank you everyone, emails to ringer, fancy, football, g-mell. Thank you. NFLDraft.orghumor.combe. Comer. D.C. Thank you, Dan Comer for research help. Thank you, Lord. Lord. Thank you, bone thugs and harmony. Nice. Bone thugs? I mean, I feel like there was a lot of, like, Oscar-related music that was, like, could have been done, but you could have gone to a leap, but Billy. You know what? You're not the one,

you're not the one given bands here, Hyfitz. So when I start hosting, we'll do that, we'll switch. I know, D.K.'s been the musical guest guy forever now. What's your favorite? Were you a fan of Bone Thugs in Harmony? Oh, yeah, big time. Oh, yeah? Weren't we all? First of the month,

all-timer, classic. One of the best songs all time. Notorious Thugs, which they did with Notorious B.I.G. Again, maybe the soundtrack song of my high school, Like legitimately, great sound. Look those two up. Those are the big ones. When I say first of the months, do you not know what that is, Ben?

Just curious. That's when the month, like, March. Nope. I'd actually be very curious. Just play it right now. Do you have Spotify open? Play it. And I want to see if you recognize it.

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