The Ringer NFL Show - The Multiverse of the Top 10 NFL Draft Picks

Episode Date: April 27, 2022

NFL draft week is here, but a consensus on who is going where is not. We parse through a murky top 10 and try to get a grasp on what might happen on Thursday by considering as many possibilities as we can. Then we preview some potential trade possibilities this week and Ben puts together his 8 leg Round 1 parlay. Finally, we play America’s favorite game, 'Two Jargons, One Lie.' (1:16) — The NFL draft top 10 (43:41) — Potential trades (49:08) — Ben’s first-round parlay (59:46) — Two Jargons, One Lie Check out The Ringer’s 2022 NFL Draft Guide Email us! [e-mail]. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Ben Solak, and Craig Horlbeck Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hey, it's Sean Fennessey. We've got something special cooking on the Prestige TV podcast. I'll be recapping one of my favorite shows, HBO's Barry, every Sunday night with the writer-director star of the show, The Great Bill Hater. We'll talk about the show's wild twist and turns, its special brand of dark comedy, and how it all came together. So on Sunday nights, immediately after a new episode airs, you can hear Bill and I break it all down on the Prestige TV pod. Subscribe on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the Ringer NFL Draft Show. my name is Danny Hyphitz and I am joined by Danny Kelly, Ben Sillick, and Craig Horlebeck.

And the draft is Thursday. We're almost here. So we're going to run through and we're going to figure out what's going to happen in the top 10 or so picks. We're going to just sit here. Super easy task. Yeah. Easy thing to do. Yeah.

We're going to predict the future. And we're going to build, we're also going to build the biggest possible parlay we can make of players who will go in the first round and make everyone rich. As a nice reward for everyone's listening. We're going to get to some emails. But first, I want to go through the top 10. And I want to do this because honestly, I feel like that's ultimately the most fun exercise as you sit down on Tuesday or Wednesday or Thursday and you kind of sit around with your friends. You're like, all right, what's going to happen here?

And this year, I feel like it's more uncertain than ever before. So you guys want to just start at the top and kind of roll through this. DK's full mock draft is going to come out at NFL Draft. Dottering a.com. It's out. But this is the consensus. This is the consensus group. We're going to figure this out right here.

Some little tweaks to DK's mock. So in doing my final mock, and obviously the goal is to try and be accurate. it's a very difficult goal to achieve. Very few people are actually accurate. It's all relative. It occurred to me... Great lead in. And it occurred to me doing this mock draft.

I could go 0 for 10 on the first 10 picks and pretty realistic scenario that I just completely miss every single pick. The exercise of building out like a top 10 that is like reasonable, but also you're trying to miss every pick is fun and very achievable. We're like, this, I could display this right now

I was like, this is what I think happens at the top 10, and nobody would bat an eye. But, yeah, like, that's possible. But I actually built it to get all of the picks wrong. That is an achievable. Should we do that instead right now? That's actually more fun, yeah. Is there more of a domino effect this year than other years in the top 10? I think so.

Yes, but also not the way you think about dominoes. So Domino's is like, you know, like, one line. Forget everything you've ever thought about Domino's. Yeah, yeah. So I'll all be a pretty year about Domino's out of the window. But, like, Domino is like, all right, if X, if X, then Y. Right. Right? Whereas this year it's more like if X, then Y or Z, also A and B.

And then if Z, it's more like when the line of dominoes in the weird domino video you're watching on YouTube suddenly becomes like a huge picture. Right. Whereas it's like rows upon rows of dominoes all crashing at the same time. They stack the dominoes on top of each other and like those towers come down. That's the domino effect. It's like if every domino had several dimensions. It's like the multiverse. Multiverse dominoes. We really don't know who's going to go number one. So if we're doing this, let's start with the Jaguars.

So this week, Trayvon Walker, the edge rush rate of Georgia, officially overtook Aidan Hutchinson from Michigan as the betting favorite to go number one. We've talked about this a lot, but I think Trayvon Walker, Nate Tice had a great example this week basically being like in a draft full of doubles. Trayvon Walker is a home run swing. Strikeout, home run. I don't know. High upside.

we can put aside whether we think that's a good idea or not. What do you two actually think is going to happen with the Jaguars taking Hutchinson or Walker, D.K., what do you think? What do you think actually happens? I think 60-40, I'm feeling like Trayvon Walker is the pick. And I think it's because Trent Balkei likes him. The GM of the Jaguars. The GM of the Jaguars.

And he's long established that he values length at the past rush position in particular. And we learned that Hutchinson has little T-Rex arms. Hutchinson has short arms. And so everything else being equal, and look, they're both pretty good prospects. They're both very athletic. They're both, you know, have that upside that you can come into the NFL and I could see either of these guys eventually turn into 10 plus sack guys. I would say Trayvon Walker is more of a projection to the NFL than Hutchinson. I think Hutchinson, you kind of know what you're getting.

But at the end of the day, like, I think the length. thing does matter and Walker I think is more athletic. So, so 64 do you think Walker, Solek, what do you think the Jaguars do? If it's between Walker and Hutch, like those are the only two options? Well, no, fine. Yeah,

however you think they take, I'd you got a thought, though. If they took Hutch at this point, I'd be stunned. I don't think Hutch. I don't think Hutch is the pick for the Jags. I think it's between Walker and then their top tackle, which is Icoma-McQuano at NC State. Yeah. From my understanding of how,

things were divided up when we were sifting through these weeds. Walker was the GM's guy. Aquano is Doug Peterson, the head coach's guy, and then Hudge was ownership's guy, right? And that always had Hutch in this kind of pole position because ownership at any time can press the red button, pull a shoot.

Right. We own the team. We're drafting Hutch. For there to be such a strong move this weekend and then into Monday of Schaefter reporting, and I think Garofalo is the other one who had the report, but don't quote me on that. Shrefter plus somebody else had the whole, like,

I would be surprised if it's Hutchinson, Hutchinson thing, like at one moment. That indicates to me that ownership told bulky, and ownership told, you know, Peterson as well, you know, we're not going to make the pick. We're not going to pull the shoot. They still can, but that makes it, I think, very unlikely because you saw that movement.

So to me, it's between Walker, who's the GM's guy, and then Aquano, who's the head coach's guy, the GM is the guy who turns in the pick. I'd put it at, like, 75% Walker, 25% IQ right now. Yeah, hi Fitz, I told you last week, I was like, I think if I got to make the choice now, it's going to be Walker.

And it felt really bizarre saying it then. And it's like almost even more. It's almost even more bizarre now feeling like kind of confident. It's going to be Walker. I think it's crazy because we all just started assuming they wouldn't take a tackle because they franchise tag Cam Robinson. But like, if I'm Doug Peterson, I still want to protect Trevor Lawrence. Like this is the most important part of the team.

I feel like if I were making this pick, I still would take Icoma, If that's the guy, are we, so we feel like Trevon Walker is going to be the guy, though. You said 75, 25, 25, Solek. Yeah, that'd be my confidence gauge right now. Okay, so then let's say, let's put Trayvon Walker then to the Jaguars at number one. Then we can just kind of auto lock in Aiden Hutchinson through the Lions at number two. I wouldn't say that. You would not say that.

He's kind of the ultimate, you know, knee bider or whatever the hell Dan Campbell calls it, right? Aidan Hutchinson feels like a perfect Dan Campbell guy. Yeah, Hutchinson is like the, I would say the favorite maybe to be the number. number two pick right now, but I think there's a lot of smoke lately, you know, from well-connected people saying that Kavon Tibido is, he is potentially, you know, like sort of the dark or surprise pick for number two, even with Hutchinson on the board, which would be like a shock for everyone, I think. But even though we're going back to how it was originally. Yeah, I think there's a chance it's Tibado, not Hutchinson, with both of them on the board. Ben, right now,

should I bet that Aiden Hutchinson does not go in the top two? Yeah. So right now you can get Hutchinson numbers over one and a half with like absurd juice, right? Like minus like 300 or something like that. To me, I believe Hutchinson's not the big of one period. So there's no juice that is bad, right? Like obviously I got to pay more to make more, but that's the nature of betting. So there's that over one and a half, which first gives you the two just in case. If not two, then he's the big at three or he's the big at four or he's the big at five.

You're not going to find any over under two and a half lines, but you will find exact pick, Hutchinson at three, I think plus 800 right now. It was like plus a lot more a while ago. Yeah. But at four, it's like plus a 10,000, like, you know, 5,000. At five, it's like plus 10,000. Those would be the bets that you would make if you're assuming he makes it past two, which right now, the Jags a couple of weeks ago were the coin flip, where it was like, you know, 50-50, maybe it's Walker, maybe it's Hodge, I don't really know. Now it's the lines of the coin flip. To be clear, we're talking about Hutchinson is still more likely than not to go to the Lions

and there's more doubt than we're saying? Are you saying that like you actually think it's more likely than not he does not go to the Lions? He said it was a coin flip. Yeah, and right now, if you ask me to take who's the pick at two, assuming Walker's the pick at one,

I think it's 50-50 between Tibidone and Hutch and I think the GM likes Thibito more because that's what we've heard out of Lions reporters. That sounds like you should bet the over on two and a half to me if you can get plus 800. But the thing is, you don't get that line.

You don't, like, hutch over two and a half is not available anywhere, at least last that checks. But you can bet hutch exact three, hutch exact four, hudge exact five, and probably one of those is going to hit. Yeah. So I totally agree with Ben. I think this was the hardest pick for me. I did my mock draft.

I ended up going Hutchinson because it's like, to me, it's like 51-49. I didn't know what to pick. I just went with one that felt more obvious, I guess, because honestly, if you don't put Hutchinson here, it fucks up the rest of the entire top 10, which is exactly why I was saying there's a world, a pretty realistic world where I get all 10 of the mock draft picks wrong in the top 10 because Hutchinson, I think, is a pivot point that fucks up everything. It's like, it's that, you know, the multiverse dominoes thing where if Hutchinson is there at three, maybe that means the Texans take Hutchinson instead of whatever the three guys

that we think they're going to take. And then that means the jets take some other different guy because they fell further than you thought, blah, blah, blah, down the line. and then so this has a chance basically Hutchinson not going number one and then maybe not going number two has the chance to make everything just a complete cluster fucking

can we live in this new fraction of the multiverse for a second so if we I want to live here too if we suspend disbelief a bit here and we assume that Hutchinson does not go one to the Jags or two to the Lions do you guys think he will go three to the Texans with the Texans take him is that who they want?

Yes I think John McClain of I don't even know John McClain. He's just the Texans guy. He retired. He's just like, he's just a retired guy. He's just John McClain. Like this is not, yeah, John McClain of being John McLean. He is, he is his own person. Yeah. He did cover for 50 years. He, you know, he said that if one of Walker or Hutch somehow makes it to three, that's the pick without blinking. Like, that's like two seconds. That's the pick. Uh, you've heard a lot of Amad sauce Gardner love,

corner out of Cincinnati a couple weeks ago. Now you're hearing a lot of Derek Stingley love. I think that Nick Casary runs a tight ship. And I think that. think that it's tough to figure out who they're like. I think trade back out of three is still possible. I think tackle Aquano or Neil is still possible. But I will say that. I think if one of Hutch or Walker makes it down to three, I would expect that to be the pick for them.

And so Hutch at 3 plus 800 is something that I think is still recent, still available, and is a good bet. So we're going to say, if you want to see D.K.'s mock draft where he's giving, so basically, we're giving Trayvon Walker to the Jaguars at one. and if you want to see the world where the lions take Aiden Hutchinson, go to NFLdraft.com and check out DekysMachr. That's the choose your own adventure I've gone on. Yeah.

Where Trayvon Walker goes to the Jaggers number one. And then the Lions take Kavon Tibado at number two. The Texans are going to take Aidan Hutchinson at three. And now the Jets are on the clock at four. It's all fucked from there. It's all fucked from there. So, no, this is really interesting. You've seen the problem.

We've got it through barely a tenth of the draft. It's not all fucked. No, it's not all fucked. This is fun. It's fun. It's a little chaotic. I got to say, this really lines up well

with the release of the new Dr. Strange movie. This is perfect. The multiverse of madness of the NFL draft. So I've heard so much about, so the Jets need a receiver. They got two picks.

They got four in ten. They need a receiver. They need an edge rusher. They need a cornerback. Maybe need an offensive tackle because McI Bechton is not happy. I don't know what the deal is with the Jets and Mackay Bechton.

I read an article the other day. Put it this way. It's I read an article the other day where McCabeckton's dietitian or trainer of some sort was talking about how the goal was to get him back under 400 pounds. Yikes. So there's a Zion Williamson situation.

He had a knee issue, I believe, and his weight ballooned a little bit. He was already like a 380-375 guy. Wikipedia calls him 360, so that's a big bump. Yeah. I might start stating that my weight loss goal is to get under 400. And they're just feeling great about myself in the daily. Yeah.

Yeah. Like, yeah, I'm going to the gym this morning, just trying to stay in 400. It's the goal. It's the goal. So I think the most underrate, because I feel like the Jets have been a very popular place to put like a cornerback, which I haven't thought made a ton of sense because the Jets, I think if they're going to take an edge rusher, it makes more sense for their defense than a cornerback. But if they're really not sold on Mackay Beckton protecting Zach Wilson, I feel like a tackle makes a ton of sense, especially in this scenario. Yes. We're talking about, I mean, we're talking about, what, we got Trayvon Walker, and then we've got Tibado Hutchinson.

So the Jets get all their picks of tackles. I kind of feel like they would take a tackle in this situation, especially if they still got 10. I know there's interest in them having Germain Johnson at a Florida State, but he might be there at 10 or receiver. Like, tackles got to be the move in this world, right, after three straight defensive ends? Here's the thing with Jermaine.

If it goes Walker, Hutch, Walker, Tibito Hutch. Germain's best edge left on the board. He ain't making it from four to ten. Right? Then there's... Multiverse. Yeah. Right.

Like if you have the Giants at seven and five who need an edge, if you have the Seahawks at nine and need an edge, I don't know if Jermaine makes him four to ten. So there's a way... Changes their plan, yeah. There's a way. There is a multiverse in which because of one through three, Jermaine Johnson, who is a perfectly fine player, who is like a good prospect. She's like a good, good flash rush.

It's fine. prospect guy, fine guy is just the fourth overall pick, which is bananas cream pie. But that's on the table if you get a tackles run through the first, or edge run through the first two picks. But I keep coming back to this. I feel like sometimes we get lost in the, well, it's like it is not, that's what we do in fantasy football where it's like, oh, there's so many defensive ends. At some point, you're like, Zach Wilson, who's everyone's jobs are tied to, he's going to get

creamed because if this is true and their left tackles over 400 pounds right now, I mean, I feel like they should grab the best left tackle in this draft. I'm which way do you, you guys are the experts here. Would you, if this is the board for the Jets, what do you think would happen? If these three picks happen, three defensive ends off, jets are on at four. I feel like they would take Iki Aquato or someone. What, D.K., what do you think? Well, I think it's going to be a tackle.

I put Evan Neal. So in my mock, just to be clear, I put Walker at one, Hutchinson 2. Didn't feel great about that, but I did it anyway. Texans, I put Aquano. and then Jets, I did Evan Neal. So, okay, but if Kwan is still on the board for the Jets, what do you think they do in this situation? Very good question. I still maybe lean Neil because Neil had, well, you know, they both have some positional versatility,

but Neil has starts at right tackle. So down the line, even if Mackay Becht does end up being a good player for them, a left tackle, like a franchise type player, George Fan, I think, is a free agent in 2023. So it's not like they don't need tackles. They're not set at tackle in either spot. So I think having a guy like Neil who could play, you know, basically he's played three positions on the Alabama offensive line. He's like a high, high floor guy, very athletic.

I just kind of feel like they'd go that direction. I like Aquano a lot too. But I think in the Jets particular case, having a guy like Neil who's probably a little bit more polished as a pass protector makes a lot of sense. Because they want to get the most out of Zach Wilson. Like that's the number one priority. So do you agree, would you go Neil or Cuano or Dorsey? I think they are, in this situation, I think Aquano is the most likely pick. But I would say Aquano and Jermaine Johnson are quite close.

And then the third guy that I think the Jets really like that is a potential for a sauce gardener, the corner out of Cincinnati. Derek Stingley out of LSU also deserves mention here because Stingley has seen a really recent push into being a top five guy, but that's going to be situational, right? Stingley is going to be a guy with a medical flag. And so some teams will have them on the board and have him great as a top five pick. Some teams will not have him on the board, period, because of the list strike injuries. That's always tough to know.

But Corner has been something that the Jets have recently gotten run on. And it seems the closer we get to draft day, the more likely is the Jets will go non-receiver at pick four and then hope to get a receiver at 10 is kind of the read that I'm getting out of the team. And for the record, so you don't think Neil is, Neil would be like your fourth or fifth guy. Like that's how bonkers this track. Doesn't you have some like medical stuff too that's like undisclosed? It was also a medical flag now, where Peter King wrote earlier this week that 75% of the teams in the league are good with Neil, which is a nice way of saying that 25% of the teams in the league are not good with Neil. Mike Garofalo said on NFL Network this morning that the Giants have cleared Neil, which acknowledges that some teams have not cleared Neil.

So that makes him a little bit less certain when you're picking him to an exact team, except for the Giants. If you'd pick him to the exact team of the Giants, you feel good about that, which that's probably what I would do here at 5 or at 7. So I think if Solex's saying, you're basically saying Aquana is probably the most likely. Deke is saying Evin Neal. I think that is, are we fair to say equinoos because of the medical injuries, not injuries, but the medical stuff with Evan Neal is the tiebreaker? Could we give Aquino to the Jets? Deke, is that egregious to you?

That's fine. No, I'm fine with that. Yeah. So I say let's do that. Let's give the Jetsick and McQuana. So to recap here, this is a wild match. When we started the show, this is not what I thought was going to happen. So we got the Jags doing Trayvon Walker, which even that would have been hilarious to us.

a month ago. The Lions were having him take Kavon Tibido out of Oregon, the edge rush, even though we've all thought that everyone has thought the Lions would take him for sure, Aiden Hutchinson, for like three months, which now that I think about it, it's one of those, well, everyone thought this. It's like before the game when everyone on Monday football takes the one team, and that team always loses. So now I actually like this. So it's Trevon Walker to the Jaguars, Kavon Tibado to the Lions, the Texans taking Aiden Hutchinson, and then the Jets at four were giving them Iqa McQuano. Which leaves your Giants. who will likely probably take Evan Neal, right?

I feel that way, too. I think the giant's basic calculus is that they need an offensive lineman and a defender, but in this situation, I feel like you take Evan Neal at 5 because the other guy that you want here is Soft Gardner, but you kind of hope the Panthers don't trade back, the Panthers aren't taking a quarterback two years

in a row in the first round and just take Soft Guarder at 7. So you probably take Evan Neal at 5. You lock in getting a corner, right? No matter what now. You'll get either Stingley or Sauce. That's how I feel. That was what I would do. Well, right.

So it's Stingley and Sauce. And then with Evan Neal, there's Charles Cross, the tackle out of Mississippi State. Exactly. Whichever group you have of those two players closely graded, you take at seven. Because if you're fine with both sauce and Stingley, you don't take one at five. You just wait at seven and see which one's there. If then your tackle, if you have Neal clearly above Cross, you take Neal at 5. And then you know you get one of the corners that you like.

I think tackle corner is the build that I would expect. for the giants. Not like in that order, just those two picks somewhere at five and at seven. Wide receiver still on the board with Cadarius Tony question marks and Edge also still on the board

with we have no good pass pressure question marks. But in this draft, only Germain is available. We don't really know how they feel about Germain. We know they don't like Tibido. That's been reported. I'm telling you, there's still a chance Hodges on the board of five.

And if Hutch is on the board of five, then that's the potential pick as well. That's incredible. Now, the other thing to keep in mind here is I think we all kind of agree that the Saints want to trade up for a tackle, right? Because they got that second first round pick and they kind of want to go up and get a tackle.

Are you guys all on the same page here? Because I think the interesting part is that if the Giants are the Giants who do they have to trade up with? The Saints, the Panthers are a division rival of the Saints at 6. And then the Falcons are division rival of the Saints at 8. So they kind of have to call the Giants or else any other team that wants to tackle is going to call the Falcons of the Panthers.

and I assume that two divisional rivals aren't going to do a deal like that. Maybe I'm wrong. But I feel like no one wants to deliver the Saints to their next left tackle. So I feel like the Giants are probably getting calls and could trade down with the Saints here. That would be too complicated for us to pull off. Wait, hold on. I want to back up slightly. Ben, did you say that the Giants are out on Timito?

Because I've been looking like just reading all the tea leaves. I felt like they are in on Timito potentially. They had him to their office or whatever. They had them to their facility, I should say. They did a Zoom meeting with him last week. And then Dan Duggan, reporter for the Giants from the athletic, said he has heard they have done a lot of work on Tibode. So this was, I actually connected Tibodeau to the Giants in my final mock. I've heard that the Giants have done a lot of work on Tibodeau.

I have heard the work has not been good. They didn't like him. Right. Like when you do a lot of work on a guy, it means the previous work did not reveal whether or not this is the dude that you want. You know what I'm saying? It's kind of one of those situations. So, so shit. Okay, maybe I missed that one.

We'll see. But that's interesting. Because I had seen that just like, I'm trying to connect the dots where it's like, the teams are meeting with this guy. They're having multiple meetings. He's obviously potentially going to be there for him. Yeah. But also, this is a, like, that's my read in the room, but this is a very classic head fake.

So what do you guys make of the fact that the Giants seem to have Charles Cross and Evan Neal kind of similar on their boards and that there's word that they might even like Charles Cross better than Evan Neal outright? So I like Cross better. I've cross-graded higher as a player. What that tells me is that if both players are available at five, they'll take a corner. And I'll tell you right now, if they, as we like make a pick here, we're kind of like doing this quasi top 10, I would be stunned if we get through a top five without at least one of the

corners going. And that's kind of where we are right now. But we're here right now. But like also I helped make this. So it's very, you know, this is the other piece of this that I think is key. And in a nutshell, I feel like, and I know I know I spent a lot of time in the Giants here, but this is like a huge pivot point because they have two. They're an important team.

It's not just you. Yeah. So Derek Stingley, the LSU cornerback, if I were doing the Giants draft, I would take Evan Neal at 5 and then Stingley at 7. Because I feel like in a nutshell, Derek Stingley seems like a better fit with Wink Martindale, he used to be the Ravens defensive coordinator and like he seems more capable of man coverage and stuff. But then I saw that Wick Martindale himself might actually prefer Sauce Gardner.

Does that make sense to you guys? Because if that's the case, maybe they take sauce at 5 and then take Charles Cross or someone at 7. Right. I think that's a very, that'd be a very, very good drafting strategy, be a very reasonable approach, and it also gives them more James Bradbury flexibility, which I mean it's really important

to them. So yeah, if I, if you wiped the board clean, right, took what, you didn't tell me anything about Picks 1 through 4, didn't tell me anything about who is available and just asked me, are the Giants pick at 5, what position is it? My bet would be corner. That would be, that would be my read out of the room.

I had sauce going to them at 5. I have, I have for the entirety of draft season felt it was offensive lineman at five no matter what. And then, but I am willing in this one, I will let you, let's do that. Let's do sauce gardener to the Giants of five. Yeah, because in this sliver of the multiverse, they can get Neal or cross at seven. So they should take a corner of the one.

In this world, it makes more sense because even though I personally want Stingley, I bet that they don't. And so, okay, let's do that. So let's give the giant sauce Gardner. Now, I feel like if this is how the board falls, I mean, the guys left on the board we're talking about, or Evan Neal is still around. I feel like the Panthers probably would want to trade back if they can because they don't pick again until 1.30.

But honestly, I feel like they probably have to take Evan Neal here if he falls because they haven't had, they've had seven left tackles over the last seven seasons. I feel like they probably take Evan Neal and put him at left, right? Is that right? They've had seven left tackles in seven seasons? Goodness. Yeah. If they take, if they have a new one this year, it'll be their eighth left tackle in the last eight seasons.

By the way, a new leader of the clubhouse for most, this is two. days before the draft quote of all time belongs now to Scott Fitterer, the Panthers GM, who said on unavailability just a few minutes ago. As we speak, yeah. Yeah. Scott Fetterer quote, oh, actually, I want to find the exact quote. Hang on. All right.

This is from Ari Mirov of PFF. Panthers GM, Scott Fetterer says he believes there are a couple of quarterbacks in this draft worthy of being picked at six overall, and he would feel comfortable doing it. Rolls eyes. No, there aren't. And no, you don't. I rolled, my eyes rolled so far back, right? That's also one of those things that I think the most underrated part of quotes like that is the question's always excluded.

So the question probably was, do you think there are quarterbacks being worthy of being taken six? Leading the witness. Yeah, there's a couple guys. Like, no, like, you can't say no, no one. He also said later, later that, like, they've been calling teams asking like if they want to move off of 20, 23 picks, right, in trades. And he was like, and the answer we keep getting is no. Hey, do you want to trade for the six overall pick and give us future picks? Absolutely not.

We have no intention of doing that. That is a crummy idea. But it always annoys me. It's like, oh, it's like, oh, Tua really excited to play with Tyree Kill. It's like, yeah, because he was asked, are you excited to play with Tyree Kill? And he said, yes. Anyway, that's the entire officers. Okay.

So to recap, we've got Trayvon Walker to the Jaguars, Kavon Tippado to the Lions, Aidan Hutchinson, do the Texans, Iqa McWan to the Jets. Giants taking sauce Gardner, the cornerback. Panthers were giving him Evan Neal. so Giants come back around and take Charles Cross, so the offensive lineman. If this mock ends up being more accurate than my other mock, I'm going to change it, like post-draft. I get that. I think I reserve the right for that. I think that's fine. We're talking it through. We'll go full Chris Sims.

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I think this, if any, I think if there's a surprise quarterback team, I think this could be it. However, I don't think this will be the pick. It's got to be a wide receiver, man. They don't have any wide receivers. It has to be like a gentleman. So who's left on the board here? Because, no, they kind of did everything.

Everyone's saying they need a receiver. And yes, I know they need a receiver. They also, the Falcons also were so, like, last in the league in sacks. And they have the worst pass rush. I would say by a lot in the entire league. I feel like this is where Jermaine Johnson goes to the Falcons. Realistically, I think you're getting, yeah, it's possible. I think you're getting, my two sense is you get a better

receiver in second round. What do you think so like? What do you think the Falcons do here with this board? I think it's a wide receiver. If it isn't Jermaine Johnson and if it isn't Kyle Hamilton and if it's not a quarterback and if it's not a tackle. I agree. Stop having bad rosters. Dude, you have good rosters except for one position. Ben, as you started talking, I was like, man, I love the confidence. You're like, I think it's a receiver. If, you make a number. Like six, Expand. Five conditions.

Here's my question for you guys. In the last five years, how many, I think good, really good or great receivers have come after the first round? A lot. A lot,

like a dozen, maybe 20. I have a video coming out about this tomorrow slash today on the ringer YouTube, subscribe. There you go. The Falcons can find that.

How many good or great defensive end pass rushes have come out of the draft after the first round last five years? Dan, Daniel Hunter. Max Crosby

Not as many Not as many So why don't they take an edge rush here If they're the worst pass rusher in football What am I missing? I think the Falcons are taking a receiver Well, what do they value more? Maybe they don't love

Maybe they don't love Germain Johnson Ever thought of that? Genique in Gakway Yeah, still naming guys Well, I'm just saying In one hand we're like, hey Jermaine Johnson underrated Some teams have them second, third

And they're board of the position I'm like, well, why aren't the Falcons getting him? I feel like the only reason is Well, we haven't been mocking him to the Falcons before. Carl Lawson got a big contract. Carl Lawson. I'll get on top.

So that's my vote, but I'll defer. I agree with you, but remember, we're now talking about Edge 4 versus Wide Receiver 1, which is going to move. Like, you know, that's going to mean there's a discrepancy in grades. Yeah. At this point, I would be very, very surprised if we get fewer than

one receiver in so I forget no receivers in the first round or in the top ten, excuse me. I would still expect it to be more round two. And I think the Falcons are a pretty key spot for receiver. Alamede Zakias is a player that I liked a fair bit

coming out of Virginia. His ad on Twitter is at Lamaday, L-L-A-M-A-D-A-Y because that's how his name is pronounced. Great Twitter at. Good work. Get the pronunciation in the at genius. but for as much as I appreciate young Alamanez Akeas, a wide receiver won, he is not.

They have, their other receivers include Outen Tate and Demir Bird, that's it. You don't think that the undrafted guy who is 5 foot 8 is going to be the number one? Who's the airson? They got Frank Darby. But they have Carl Pitts who's actually, Kyle Pitts is the receiver.

He's a receiver. He is, but he isn't. You still gotta line somebody up at X. You still have to line somebody up as Z. You can't just put Kyle Pitts at all the receiver positions on any even play, right? I'm just saying he's the number one. Also, by the way, I think,

so the other thing I think that is important here and why I lean with Ben here, and I gave them Drake London in this spot in my mock. And the reason I think it's more likely, though, although I think Jermaine Johnson's certainly in play here, is they have to think, they're setting the stage,

they're setting the foundation to build a new team, a new roster, and getting a quarterback that has a soft landing spot is important. Germain Johnson does do jack shit for whoever the future quarterback is. And that's ultimately, like, the most important thing to this front office and to this team

is to figure out, like, get a good landing spot, get, like, make this team good around the quarterback that they're going to draft eventually, whether it's next year or the year after or whatever. So that's why I put Drake Leonard. I think he's just more valuable to them right now. Okay. So you think receiver. So, do you co-sign that, Drake London?

I think receiver. Drake London right now is third of the top three in terms of odds to go top 10. Garrett Wilson, his favorite to go top 10. James and William's, Drake London are both like fringe, like plus 125 plus 150. I'm very happy to make it, Drake London. It's just worth knowing that it could be any of the three right now. I had. Because they meet all the receiver positions, so there's not really any lead of like who they would take.

And also, the longer your time horizon is as a team in terms of competing, the more James and Williams out of Bama becomes attractive because you have time to bring them back from the ACL injury, if you're worried about that to kick off his career. And I would venture to say that the plurality of teams, maybe not the majority, but the plurality, has Williams graded as the best receiver in the class before injury? I have a question for Ben. So I got, I bullied myself out of, I originally had James and Williams at this spot. And then I sort of just, I think I overthought it, maybe.

But I also heard, and this made sense in my brain, in my little brain that is just absolutely, things are just bouncing around in there right now. I don't know what to make. I can't make up from down. There's multiverse. The idea that Drake London is more of a Arthur Smith kind of receiver because he's big, physical can block, like fits kind of like what they're wanting to do more on offense than a guy like Jameson Williams, who is not a good blocker or he's not like going to, you know, go out there

and, and. Well, is that an Arthur Smith receiver or is that just the Titans with John Robinson and the GM? Like, Arthur Smith wasn't picking the receivers. He just gets hired to coach. That is the question. Therein lies the rub. I don't know. Yeah.

So that's the thing, right? There's a little bit of chicken and egg between what Rable and John Robinson likes in Tennessee versus what Arthur Smith was put into. they moved off of Julio, right? One of the first things they did it when Smith was there. Now, some of that was Julio wanted out. But if Smith was going to prioritize big receivers who can run routes and, like, obviously, like block not there for Julio and late stage of his career, wasn't going to block,

but like big receivers who can actually run breaking routes, trading Julio Jones is the dumbest thing ever. Now, Julio didn't work for the Titans, right? Julio didn't get healthy and didn't break, but like that didn't make sense. So I don't think he, Smith's going to feel like he. he needs to get that prototype of receiver that much. But it does give more steam to London than it does fight other teams. The Jets are kind of a similar situation where they're running this San Francisco offense.

Receivers got to be able to block, right? You need to have that guy who can do it. But they already have their Corey Davis. And so that's where, like, Garrett Wilson and James and Williamson, to come more viable to the Jets as well. I will see the Jermaine Johnson part. I feel like based on what you guys have said, my heart after listening to both you says James and Williams here.

I like the point that they're not going to be good this year. This is a gap year for them, quarterback-wise, that might as well just get like the guy who would have been the best receiver in the class, had he been healthy and wait. Listen, if you have a gap year quarterback-wise, you might as well get the best quarterback.

But apparently that's not going to happen. So let's give the Falcons, Jameson Williams, from Alabama. All right, Dekyll, now the Seahawks are up at nine. Uh-oh. This is a good situation for the Seahawks and for the most part, because you got multiple,

well, you have Jermaine Johnson still out there. You have multiple receivers still out there. You have Stingley still out there, right? We didn't give him to anybody. Yeah. Yeah, this is a perfect situation for the Seahawks then. I feel good about this. So we give the Stieux to give Stingley to the Seahawks, you think?

That would be my preference over a guy like, well, anyone else really? Yes. No, not your preference. What do you think the Seahawks will do? Oh, probably something is stupid. Trevor Petting or something. No, no, no. Do you actually, no, not like, oh, ha, ha, ha, ha.

No, no, no, I truly believe that they have a terrible first round process. So in this scenario, if Derek Stingley's available, you think they would still take Trevor Penning? I think that there's a very realistic chance they'd take Trevor Penning over Stingley, because, number one, the highest they've ever picked a corner is like 90-something. That sounds, that's a good reason. And number two, they don't have a left tackle or a right tackle on their roster currently. Well, it sounds like Trevor Penning to the Seahawks. See, and you don't want to sniff a quarterback here? I would rather have them take like a Malik Willis, I think, than a Trevor Penning.

I feel like they really believe in Drew Locke. Everyone just thinks that they're like humming and hot. Yes, I have heard this from multiple reporters. Like, people are pretty plugged in or like, like, they're not just saying they like Drew Locke. They lack, they actually like Drew Locke. Oh, I can't wait. I really think they do.

Yeah. So you really think Trevor Penning here. No, I don't want to manifest this. Let's give them freaking Stingley. No. We're doing what, no, this is going to work. This is going to be real mock. I put Stingley in my mock.

I actually believe there's a chance they finally deviate from their don't take corners high thing. If Stingley were here and they didn't take them, I'd be stunned. Yeah, so Stingley. Which I know I've said like six times on this podcast. Even though D.K. just was like they have no left or right tackle and they have a ticket a quarterback above 90 in like 10 years. Listen, it's a chaos draft year. All right.

Everybody could do everything. They have a new scheme too. So maybe it makes a difference. I don't know. If there's a, if there, if Seattle, is a chaos draft team. They never do what anybody should do. But in a chaos year, the chaos team will be the team who does what should be done. You understand around that. This is like to the galaxy brain. I love it. Double negative, okay? They are going, they always zig where everyone zags, but this year,

everyone is zagging. So they are zigging. You know what? That makes sense. You know why? It reminds me of the Knicks because the Seahawks fans have all talked themselves into like Trevor Penning and they all already hate him. But the thing is that when you do that, when you're a fan of one of those teams, people know what I'm talking about right now. When you're a fan of a team that always screws up and then you lower expectations, they always go lower. They always, they always, they always break it somehow. We had low expectations, but holy fuck, you ever remember that sign? I guess they're not quite as bad as the Knicks who I was thinking of. Oh, boy. Okay. All right. So we're going to get Derek's this feels wrong. This feels where we go off course. I've been feeling that way for a while.

that means this will be the most accurate mock well okay so let me so besides stingley and besides pending because I don't want to manifest that like the other options here are a receiver which I highly doubt no Jermaine Johnson which is pretty it's logical and I could absolutely see them doing that and I would be fine with it I think Jordan Davis is another guy that they like a lot

James and Williams after they trade DK Metcalfe not wait we already gave James and Williams to the to the to the Falcons. I know. I was mostly just saying that to be annoying. The Jets, because here's thing, if we give the Searx Stingley, then the Jets get, if the Jermaine Johnson, like, locked in, right, if he falls for them at 10. Yeah, Jermaine at 10 is nice. Part of me is like, that's too easy. I feel like the Seahawks might take Jermaine Johnson.

So I guess Jermaine or Stingley. What do we think here? We're going to lock in Stingley? I think it would be Stingley if Stingley got to the midnight. Okay. So let's give the Searck Stingley, and we're going to just lock in the Jets to get Jermaine Johnson at 10. I think there's a chance it's a receiver, though. Over Jermaine Johnson? even though they thought about them at four?

Yeah, I don't know. It seems to me like they are head over heels for Germain. My thing with the Jets is they had the worst defense in football last year. They gave up 500 points. They had most yards allowed, most points, most first downs. They hired Sala as their head coach to be a defensive coordinator. I kind of feel like they have to fix that. And the first draft they had was all about Zach Wilson.

They're the worst receivers in the world. Like they don't have out and Tate and Zakias. They tried to trade their entire fucking job. draft for Tyree Kill. Yes, they did. But I also think, again with Debo. That's not true.

They actually were going to keep both of their top picks. That's the thing. And I think that, look, the two first round picks last year, they got, they got good old Zach Wilson, and then they got Elijah Vera Tucker.

So that's a lineman. And then they got Elijah Moore to help Zach Wilson. In this mock, we'll give him Ikemaquano. So now they've, all their top draft capitals has been the offense.

Meanwhile, the defense is already the worst in the league. I feel like they'd have to go defense. I disagree. I think there's nothing. more important than making Zach Wilson good. If Zach Wilson sucks, they're fucking fired. It doesn't matter what their defense does.

That's not bad point. So you're the tiebreaker here. Germaine Johnson or receiver of your choice? Or Drake London, I guess, is the guy. Germain. Wow. Okay. Germain.

Do you think that there's a... Are you like a little bit weirded out that like the Jets germane smoke is like a little bit too much right now? Feels like a plant. The degree to which it's happened over the last 24 hours is a lot and is weird, but I also heard that they liked him before that. Okay. So,

like, you know, a lot of people, maybe like just somebody dropped over. This shouldn't have dropped it. Here's the weird thing about draft smoke is you never know what to believe because sometimes you're like, oh,

you don't really know people's intentions. Sometimes shit just happens. Like, you're like, oh, well, we're just hearing this before the draft. I will never forget the week of the draft in 2018 when everyone's like, you know,

Baker Mayfield's going to go number one to the Browns. And we were like, no way, this is draft smoke screen. And then he did. And it's like, yeah, sometimes you just learn.

No, it was Darnold for three months or whatever. And then for like a week or a couple days, it was Josh Allen. And we all laughed and laughed. And then it was Baker Mayfield. This is the draft process. I just, you know, I love it and I hate it. Which, by the way, brings me to my, maybe my final point on our top 10 here, which is there are no quarterbacks in it.

Yep. Between now and Thursday, there will be a rumor that there's a quarterback was going to go top ten. And I probably kind of believe it. I don't know. Every time I do one of these, I finish them, I finish the top ten. It all makes sense. And I look at the fact that there are no quarterbacks.

And I go, that's not going to happen. It just isn't. We did E.J. Manuel with the 16th overall pick in 2013. And then since then, it's just not happened. And with there is nothing in the world, in the world of NFL football, better. than a rookie quarterback contract. And you're telling me teams are going to wait?

I get that, but I disagree with you because I think that all the logic's right. I think that just this happens every now and then. Like it happens, it seems once every 10 years. There's a terrible quarterback class.

This is the bad quarterback class. And so I think that we're all, I was on that initially. I thought the quarterbacks would rise. I just don't think there will be. Honestly, I think the first quarterback will be Desmond Ritter

to the Steelers at 20, which I think you've convinced me Ritter is going to be the best quarterback. And if the Steelers don't take them, I think it's Desmond Ritter to like the Titans because I think that what we're forgetting is that when you do this, these guys are also staking their careers to this.

People have worked their whole lives to be a GM, to be a head coach, and that you're hitching your wagon to this dude. And then sometimes every 10 years, a year comes along where it's like, yeah, none of these dudes really seem like hitching your wagon to with this eye. I think that Ritter's the only,

I think there's a world where Ritter's the only quarterback in the first round. See, so that I definitely disagree with. I think we're going to see a lot of movement out of the end of the top of the second round, back to the end of the first round. Because the fifth year contract thing. valuable the fifth year options. That's fair. Right. But my, right, I think everything you said is true and cried is a bad quarterback class and it is not the quarterback class to invest in and whatever. And then I think the clock starts from the Jaguars pick on Thursday. And you're Mickey Loomis

or Kevin Colbert or freaking like Ron Rivera and Marty Herney with Washington or whomever, right? Seahawks have to room around the quarterbacks. And you have to sit there and wait. and just every pick off the board, hope that one of those other dudes did not get on the phone, move up, and you know it's going to be a cheap year to move up and go and take your guy. That is Michael Scott, Dwight, and Andy

in the office, holding all their guns at each other, poking them up, and then slowly lowering them down, and poking them back up again, slowly lowering them down. That is a hard game to play. And you said these guys don't want to get fired,

I agree. Missing on the quarterback that you loved hurts. It sits on you. sticks. I watched the Eagles talk about Russell Wilson for the last decade. Oh, we were almost about to say, we loved Russell Wilson. Yeah, you let him get into the third round, Tiger. Teams don't like to wait. They don't want to.

It is a scary proposition, just hard to do. And so I think that all of that kind of goes out the middle a little bit once the, you know, like everybody's got a plan until, what's the event expression? Yeah, punched in the mouth, which is a Mike Tyson quote, so maybe not the week for that, but yeah. It's going to feel like we can wait until

that clock starts to tick and there starts to be that eerie silence. And then I think we're going to see teams get edgy for a quarterback. Okay. I have been radicalized by you, though, that I think Desmond Ritter is the best quarterback in this class. And I think that if he goes to a good team, like the Steelers or the Saints, or even the Titans, maybe, I think that he'll be really good. Not really good. He'll be good. That's it. And I, I don't know. I just think it's going to be a while. Okay. Do you guys want to talk about any potential trades that could develop? Because I think that's what we're missing. The one report, there was a report from Aaron Nagler that the Packers wanted Darren

Waller, the Raiders tight end in the Devante Adams trade. And then basically, there's all these, like, technicalities. Originally, the trade is going to be Devante Adams to the Raiders for the Raiders first rounder and Darren Waller. There's like technicalities that because Devante Adams hadn't signed his franchise tag that you can't include a player black. It's rules, whatever. So apparently, they flipped it from a first in Waller to a first and a second.

And now the Packers are debating sending the second, the Raiders give them back to Vegas and that Vegas will give them Waller. So that obvious, I guess the Packers are probably. waiting for, you know, to see how the draft develops. So I want to ask you guys, who's like the best receiver in this draft? Like, where's the line of the receivers you would not want for with Aaron Waller? Or I guess how many of these guys would you rather have than Derek Waller? We're including contracts here.

Is it like three receivers, 12 receivers? I'm counting him as a receiver overall. And the Packers have the 22nd pick from the readers. Even into the second round. I'm talking like top 55 or so. Yeah, they're going to give up the first for him. Yeah, they're going to give him the second. Like top 55 picks or so.

The next two years on Darren Waller's deal are 6.8 million and 7 million. That's such a deal. And there's no dead cap on that, which doesn't matter. Actually, what it matters is it means that most of that money is base salary, which means that he has no guaranteed money right now, which means that he would restructure for guaranteed money. I would take Darren Waller before every single receiver in this draft. Yes, I think so.

Really? Yeah. He's 30, which is tricky. But if I'm the Packers especially, and I expect to have two more years of Roger, Aaron Rogers is 38. Yeah. Yeah.

Not a problem. I'll take Waller before. Even if he comes back and wants to be paid top two tight end in the NFL. Well, what, what? The top two tight end doesn't worry. If it was top two receiver, I'd be a little more scary. He wants $17 million a year. Yeah, all right.

So tight end contracts is not the right thing. Freaking make your sites easier to navigate. Hang on. He's 29 right now. He can navigate the betting sites like it's his fucking job. Waller's 30 in September. Yeah. Right.

Which, like, you know, if I were, if I were a billion team from scratch, that would bother me a little bit with the Packers not as much. The top pay tight end is George Kittle at 15 million. Then Travis Kelsey at 14.3, Dallas got her 14.2 mark, Andrews of 14. Oh, Dallas gotter. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Adaboy, Dallas.

Isn't there, there's something else that's kind of like included in this argument is like, hasn't Aaron Rogers throughout his career, like, completely ignored rookie receivers? And he, like, hates them and he doesn't want to throw them the ball. I don't know if like that's... Well, it's chicken in the egg because the Packers never take them high so that the receivers left aren't the ones he wants to work with. Like, I think he wanted... He said he wanted T. Higgins a couple of years ago.

Well, kind of regardless, though, like, even if they drafted whoever in the first round, like, they also need somebody else. Like, they don't have anybody right now. He's got no choice. He's got Sammy. I don't know. So anyway, I just wanted to throw out that Darren...

I forgot about Sammy. I think Darren might be Packer by the end of the weekend. That's all I'm saying. Well, Tom Pellasero today said there's no chance it's happening. But... Well, there you go. I don't know. I still think there's a chance. Okay. So what other, should you say, and there's a chance?

What other trades do you think I'd think it happened this weekend then? I think the other big one to think about is whether or not the Saints are going to trade up. Whether or not that move with the Eagles was actually just because they wanted another mid-first-round pick, which seems bizarre, but also the Saints do bizarre things. Or if it was like the first, you know, just waiting for the other shoe to drop kind of deal and they're going to trade up into the top 10 and take a quarterback. You think they take a quarterback or a tackle potentially, which would be very sainty to trade all this draft capital and then move up and not take a quarterback. But I think I've seen, actually Nate Seiss was saying this on the athletic show and it kind of like resonated with me. He was like, as soon as you start to hear multiple people throughout the NFL saying, oh, no, they just think that they're so close they can take, they just want to take two guys in this draft and like have them be starters. Nate was like, that to me is like red flags that like this is what the Saints want you to believe and they're actually going to move up.

It's like it's all galaxy brain stuff right now because, you know, we're trying to guess what these teams are thinking. But the fact like multiple reports came out like right after this trade was that went down that like, oh no, the Saints just think that they're close and they want to take two starters. That's why they did this. Instead of trading all this draft capital for an actual starter, why not just trade one of these guys for a freaking veteran that, they know it's going to be good. So I don't know. I think I can talk myself into either situation. And I think I wouldn't be surprised whatsoever if they do end up trading up.

But with who? Because again, there's so many teams. Every team wants to trade back in this draft. Are you kidding? But if they want a tackle. Every team in the top 10 wants to trade back. No, but my point is just that if they want a tackle, the Panthers and the Falcons are in their division.

And the Giants are there with two picks at five and seven, but they presumably also want to tackle. So do they have to go to four with the Jets? Like, seriously, what do they do? I think the Falcons and Seahawks, they can find someone. I think the Falcons and Seahawks would both love to trade back. I think the Giants would trade back. So maybe they do go with the division.

I think Houston would potentially trade back. I think Detroit probably would trade back. There's a lot of teams that would trade back, I think. All right. So maybe they will. On their last episode, we talked about Solek. We wanted to build, like, the biggest possible parlay you could on Fandual, consisting of players that would go in the first round.

You can bet on everyone, like obviously eight and Hutchinson's going to go in the first round, but Solek, have you had time to, like, delve into this? Like, you say that as if I haven't made several of these already. I've been delving. So tell me, I want to know about the mega parlay. And to give people an idea of it's not, it's, you can't put, like, 30 people in the parlay. I would say you can put, like, eight at most would be egregious. Yeah.

So a very sad thing happened this morning. So forlorn music playing in the background. The reason this was super fun was because Fandau, which is the spot that lets you parlay these top 32 picks, was hanging these lines for the guys

that were clearly going to go round one. Trevor Penning was like minus 700. Trent McDuffie was minus 700. Traylen Berks was minus 500. And like those were ridiculous odds. They weren't good. But adding a leg to your parlay helps

and those guys were 100% always going round one. So it was great. This morning, They finally got wise. McDuffie went from minus 700 to minus 2100, which is a massively, pending went from minus 700 to minus 1100.

Burks went for minus 500 to minus 850. This was ruining my fun because it just means the payout is not as fun as it used to be. So the way that you do this, right, if you're on Fandle, you go to drafts Parlay Builder and you scroll down the top 32 picks. And then you can just go through the list

and we just can start selecting some guys that we think are going to be around one pick. So if we start with McDuffie, Penning, and Berks, just assume there. Zion Johnson, guard out of Boston College, DK,

probably going to be a first round pick, right? Very strong chance, yes. Yeah. I think that the charges at 17 make a lot of sense. Cowboys at 24, our team is going to take

an offensive line if Perks is available, so we'll take Zion Johnson at 300. He was a big senior bull guy, too. Like, everyone seems to love this guy, so it seems very likely. Now, let's play the poll game we played on Danny's mock draft

a couple episodes a couple weeks ago. I'm just going to start listing, the names going down the odds. When we get to a name that one of you three thinks is going to be a first round pick, just go ahead and pull.

So, Devante Wyatt, Kenyon Green. Wait, if we think they're not going to be or if we think they are going to be a first round pick. Well, D.K.'s mock says Devante Wyatt is.

I think Wyatt is a 50-50. There's some off-field stuff. He had family... At minus 300, that's not a good price, right? I think Dax Hill is a first rounder. Yeah, minus 200. He's been getting a ton of movement.

He was like minus 110. A couple weeks ago, move, move, move, moving. So, Daxon, Safety Corner out of Michigan. I agree. It's probably the first round thing. John Dotson,

Water Super Penn State. Andrew Booth, Corner, Clemson. Desmond Ritter. Booth has the injury thing that's hanging over his head. Yeah, I'm letting Booth slide. I'm yelling Pull and Ritter.

I think Ritter's a first runner. I agree. I have Ritter and a ton of these. So this is already plus 3-44, so this is three-to-one odds, basically, on this bar-lily. Yes. What about Kenyon Green?

Did you guys discuss him? So nobody pulled on. I think Green is likely to go round one. Me too. But he is the second, I would say consensus-wise, he is the second guard behind Zion, right? And we have Zion in there already. So we certainly can get Green at minus 250.

This is where it gets tricky because we never really know what's going on with, like, injuries. But I did see, I think Daniel Jeremiah had this in a video segment the other day that there is some injury concern with Kenyon Green. So what about Sky Moore, the receiver? So yeah, we're going to get down to those guys.

We're getting there. All right. So Matt Corral, quarterback, Ole Miss. Nikobe Dean, linebacker, Georgia. Boymafe, Edge, Minnesota. Quay Walker, Lionbacker. Yes. I think Clay Walker is going to be a first runner.

I said Quay Walker, Lionbacker, Lions, which is because I think you got him going to. I think the Lions love him. I think everybody knows the Lions love him at this point. Yeah, that's who I got him going to. Yeah, so Quay Walker at minus 135, he was like plus, he was plus two hundred. Well, to your point, though, if the Lions trade out of that pick to give it to a team with the quarterback, then they could go like seven picks back and take Quay Walker at like 40. Potentially. And his over under was set at 40 and a half initially, at a sense, moved down a lot

to the point where it's now like minus 31.5 minus 30.5. So everybody's best way. Walker in there. Yeah. Lewis Seen, Safety, Georgia. It's your guy. That's in D.K's mock. Yes. I'm going to say yes on that. All right. Arnold have a Katie, Edge Penn State. Yes. Oh, I love this parlay. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Kyler Gordon Corner Washington I don't feel

strongly about that one he tested like shit Tyler Smith tackle Tulsa Ooh that one's tough Plus 100 50 50 How you feel

Where are you leaning on that one I would say yes I think there's probably going to be more tackles taken than we think Yeah tackle yeah So like there's a clear Top 4 tackles

We expect three to go top 10 Penning is a potential At 16 to the Saints 17 to the Chargers We talk about nine to the Seahawks 14 to the Ravens. You're going to tell me the entire back half

goes to the first round with no more tackle picks? Tyler Smith could go to the Titans. He could go to... I mean, shoot, there's a lot of... Cowboys? Yes, I can see that. I can see it.

Let's do Tyler Smith, yes. Father Smith? All right, so we now have 10. We've officially gone over the number that Fandil will allow us to include. That's fine. Don't worry. We're going to remove some guys

as we get to the end of this thing. So we've now gone to plus money territory. Okay? So all of these guys are projected by the book, 50% chance to make it. This is where it gets fun. High Fitz. Logan Hall, divas attack with Houston.

Ooh. Josh Pickens, wide receiver. Do you want Logan Hall of DK? It's tough. I really like Logan Hall, actually. I could see him going to the Chiefs. It would not surprise me if he's the Chiefs' first round pick. We also have 10 people, so we're pushing people out of the first round. Logan Hall,

how do you feel Logan Hall versus Lewis Seen? I would say scenes more likely. Yeah. I would say that Hall's outs are very limited to the end of the 20s and end of the 30s. Right. Just worrisome. Because somebody's going to fall out of the top 15, top 20 that we don't expect, right? That's what you're talking, Chief Spangles, 29, 30, and 31.

So that's a tricky one. We can put them in there, though, because remember, we're going to take some guys out. Okay. All right. Logan Hall's in. George Pickens, wide receiver, Georgia. David Ojoabo, Edge, Michigan. Travis Jones, defense to tackle, Yukon. Christian Watson, wide receiver, and North Dakota State. Roger McCreary, Corner, Auburn.

Skymore, receiver, Western Michigan. This is where it gets tough. Kair Elam, corner. Yes. Put him in there. Yeah. Plus 150. I like...

I think he's going to be a first rounder. I think he's going to be a first rounder. I think I put him in every one of my mock so far. A lot of corners go in the last 10 or so picks. That's a very common thing that we see. Bernard Raymond tackle, Central Michigan. So we now have 12 names. We've got to cut.

I think about four of them. I think eight is what they max out on, right? And so this is where you just start to look at your odds and you say, okay, well, what's the most fun? like all right like uh tremcduffi Trevor penning traillen burkes zion johnson these guys are all like you know like minus odds we need them in the legs that's fine dakshill minus 200 ritter quay walker lewis seen arnold abatee i would honestly i would cut eva katia minus 115 and i think that's a little bit more of a toss-up and then i think logan hall's got to go sorry dk no worries um so we'll keep tyvis smith and kair illam has some nice plus money guys keep things frisky um lewis seen is floored at around 32.5ers over under so i'm going to cut lewis scene we'll still keep Quay Walker in there. We got to get rid of one more. Desmond Ritter. No.

Did you cut Penning and McDuffie? No, I said we're going to keep those. No, you should cut McDuffey. If you cut them, I'm looking at this right now. I got Burke, Zion, Devante Wyatt, Daxton Hill, Desmond Ritter, Quay Walker, Kyrie Ely and Tyler Smith. That's plus 4,400.

So if you put down 10 bucks, that would win $440. Yeah. And the one I did when I cut McDuffie is plus $35994. So if you put down $10, you would get $1,000, you would get $359 back. Love that. I'm a little worried about Quay Walker

when you both are like, yeah, the lions with the last pick of the first round will take it. That could be the one that spoils all our fun. I'm cutting

Quay Walker. Okay. And I'm going to put back in McDuffey. Yeah. Officially, what's yours then? So actually, I'm putting penning it.

So the one I got, I love Hyvitz hijacking this into his first round part of it. Well, I don't keep them track of them. That's fine. All right. Well, so like, what are you got then?

So my eight are penning, Traylin Berks, Zion Johnson, Hill, Desmond Ritter, Quay Walker, Tyler Smith, and Kyrie Elam, $10 down to win $360. Bang. Nice. Nice. Hi, Fitz, what do you got? I try to figure out who the difference was between her two that I couldn't actually do.

I have Traylon Burks, Zion, Devante Wyatt, Daxton Hill, Desmond Ritter, Kyriellum, Tyler Smith, and Trevor Penning. I didn't have Devante Wyatt. Okay, that's $10 to win 270. So there you go. The Ritter one makes me a little nervous. Ritter's going round one. Yeah, that's the whole point.

You think so? Okay. Here's why Ritter's going round one. Yeah. Every team is a first round grade on him. That's a good reason. Shout out, Ben's work. If you go to NFLDraft.3.com

and you click on the quarterbacks tab and you expand their tab, selected all this work. He charted every throw. We buried the lead. Of every quarterback in the draft. Well, the good ones. Well, there's no good ones.

The ones that don't super suck. And it's incredible. You can break it down. by accuracy and all this stuff. Check out what Solic did. Go to NFLdraft.org.com. Dekk's mock is there, but also all Celok's work,

which is unbelievable. Yeah, it's awesome. It's very, very cool. It gives you this really visually pleasing way of looking at where the quarterbacks are accurate, where they're inaccurate. Solek has his little blurb, and that breaks down the entire analysis.

It's extremely, extremely helpful. So thank you, Solek, for doing that, by the way. And sorry for having it. I essentially made him chart Carson Strong, and he was upset with me. So thank you for. I didn't even check. Where'd you rank strong? Is he like 99? Carson Strong is 96. Yeah.

Which what that means is I didn't want him in the top 100, but D.K. felt bad that he had asked so like. Pretty much. Yeah, pretty much. To chart him. So he didn't want to put him there. Reminds you when D.K. said, I don't want to put Daniel Jones in my top 100. And one of the editors at the ringer told you, he's going to go six to the Giants. D.K., you have to put him in your top 100. He's like, I don't want it. So Dek could just put him at 100. I was overly. I came down a little hard on Daniel Jones. I've, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, You were right. I'm more, I think I'm more open-minded to quarterbacks than I was back then.

Okay. All right. Let's get to two jargons that a lie. America's favorite segment. So like Dika, who's got the two jargons in the live for today? I don't. I don't either. Oh, no, you ran out.

It's okay. Wanted you to do random ones of listeners? Fan submissions. I have a couple fan submissions too, so. All right. This one's from David. David, David. David.

The topic is, he says, Ben is not allowed to answer this. It's Pokemon. Why? Is Ben, do you know a lot about Pokemon? Yeah, buddy. You do? He knows a lot. Sheepish.

So, Craig and I don't know anything either. So it's Madsical. Well, wait, can Ben at least pronounce them for us? Yeah, Ben, can you read? Well, no, because the one that's fake. Yeah, I trust him to do a good job. I'll fake the pronunciation. So the real Pokemon, two of these Pokemon are real one is fake.

we've got Magsical M-A-G cycle at Magsicle Okay Blasapallon and gum shoes Blastafalan

Blastafalan You think it's like Balecala You think it's like Placefalon That actually is better Craig should have read them Bicephalon

Solex got a poker face Combine versus Combin Was it Magsical? I'm just laughing at, you think it's Bicephalon? MADGCycle. Gumb, I think Gumshoes is real. Gumshoes. I do too. I think gum shoes

is real also because the spelling is not what you'd expect. I think Blycephalon is fake. I think Madsacal is fake. I'm going with Magsacal also being fake. All right, So like, which one's fake? So, uh, Magsacol is fake. Oh, let's go! Let's go! Let's go! And it is pronounced Blesefel.

I don't remember how hyphid said it in the beginning, but at first I was like, this guy put two fake ones in there. And then Craig said, you think it's probably Blycephalon? And I was like, hmm. Blais Fallon,

I think is how I said it. Yeah, okay, there's good. All right. I got one, and I thought this was good because it's the start of the MLB season

and shout out Mariners. They're actually good, maybe. It's an actual major league scout, Major League Baseball Scout. He's a scout with the Cleveland Guardians. And by the way, West Chester County

Shout out High Fitz All right Two Jargens and Eli baseball version Number one MapQuest Defender Number two Snap Dragon What did you just say?

Snap Dragon Snap Dragon And number three Velocity Pouch Number one Map These are crazy Snack or like a food

Or snap like a SNAP S-N-A-P Snap Maybe this guy really knows me and he knows that I'll figure this out and this is where the lie is and he knows I went to San Diego State. The SDSU football stadium that's getting built that's going to be ready this season. It's going to

be called Snapdragon Stadium. So maybe he's playing with me. Yeah. It's like a Why? It's some company. Yeah. Some company sponsored it. I was thinking Snapdragon like I don't know like a pitch has snap on it or something or velocity pouch.

Is that like a pitcher when they like do their wind up and they go into like they're like where you would wear a fanny pack. It's like your core, like a source of your velocity. Yeah. Yeah, that feels right. What's the first one again? MapQuest defender.

MapQuest defenders. Snapdragon. Velocity pouch. MapQuest defender's got to be real because all these old ass baseball scouts were probably using MapQuest. But MapQuest defender. What is that? That just means like we use Map.

We use MapQuest to go everywhere and also this guy can defend everywhere. Yeah. It's like a guy who can. play outfield, infield, everywhere kind of vibe? But it makes sense because all these scouts are on the road everywhere, and the old ones are definitely using MapQuest and didn't know about the internet. Well, the old ones are using a map.

But they had to adapt, and they all used map. There's a very specific period of time when MapQuest was relevant. I don't know if, like, maybe they came up with it in those eight years. It's a short window to coin a phrase. Okay, so what's your answer? I think Snapdragon's fake.

I'm just going to stick with my saying, I don't know what that means. I don't know what a Snapdragon would be. Derek Cole, Snapdragon. I think that's fake. I'm going to go to Snapdragon's fake, too. All right. So the fake term is MapQuest Defender.

Oh! And his, so his explanation was that it's a bad defensive outfielder since he needs GPS to track the ball. That was his fake explanation for the fake term. Snapdragon is a very good breaking ball, slider, a curveball. Snaps off.

You snap that dragon off. That's how they say it. That's how that Major League Baseball Scouts say it. Velocity pouch is also known as a velo pouch. And it's just used to describe an overweight pitcher. They have a velocity pouch. We came up with such a good explanation. It was just the ponch over the belt.

It's a bellow pouch. He's just thick. He also, shoot, I should have had the, I don't, I didn't put the name down. Sorry, I forever did this. Thank you for sending this. email in. Oh, no, sorry, it's Matt. Thank you, Matt. Shout out, Matt. Thanks, Matt. He had a couple other great terms that I absolutely love. My favorite of all is a piss missile. Oh, yeah. That, I mean, that's a P-Rod, if you will.

As old as time, piss-missile. Anyways, I thought that was fun. He also said it looks like Tarzan, but plays like Jane is a baseball term also. Well, it's probably some overlap. Okay. Shout out, Matt. Thank you for that email. Emails at ringerfinacy football at g-gmail.com. If you have questions, throughout the draft. So our schedule, we're going to be doing a Spotify live, which you can listen to at three Pacific 6 p.m. Eastern before the draft on Thursday. On Thursday. We're going to have a first round reaction going up as soon as the first run's over. So I mean, you know, whenever late, late, late Thursday night, like probably early, first thing Friday morning and then reaction after the second,

after day two on Friday, Saturday. I won't be here. I'm actually the best man at a wedding this weekend. Terrible timing. Flex. I won't be on this Friday and Saturday shows. We'll be back this weekend. So check out. Today's about emails, your questions. He could have just said I have a wedding. You know what I mean? Could have you said I'm out of wedding. What? I think it's okay to be like I'm the best man in a wedding. It kind of elevates your role. Makes it clear.

Yeah. Like I have three weddings that I'm going to in May and I would miss two of them for the draft. You do people who are getting married. You can figure out who you are. Oh, wow. Wow. I'd be going to lie here. That's the real edition. I think that if I just like, yeah, I'm going to a wedding and my bosses would be like, oh, okay, who's the wedding? Like, I'm trying to, you know, make it clear.

Okay. Sure, sure. Greg, you would have asked me what, you're missing the draft for wedding. Anyway, so I'm the best man. The, what was I saying? Okay, so check NFLdraft.orgat.com. Dek is going to have draft grades there. If you're listening, before the draft, mock draft,

Solex, quarterback charting is all there. Listeners after the draft. Your team just took a quarterback. Check out Solex, quarterback, charting. Check out Dickey's draft grades. Check out this pod. And then we're covering it, you know, NFL show everywhere else.

So thank you everyone for listening. Shout out Matt for being a scout. Thank you, everyone emailed us. Thank you, David. Email us over here, fantasy football, gmail.com for more two jargons and lie. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, so long. Thank you, Craig.

Thank you, Lauren. Lauren. Lord. Thank you, grizzly bear. Grizzly bear? I feel like I've listened to Grizzly prayer before. Yeah, you probably have. Driesly.

Delightful. I don't know who that is. I almost thought you said gris, D. which is a DJ that you definitely would not be into. Yeah, they're psychop. Yeah, I've listened to Gracie Bear. I had a friend who I played golf last week and with a friend who just kind of like

was teaching fly fishing in Alaska for a year. And he was telling me that he just was around 50 bears. And I'm like, what do you mean? He's around 50 bears. And he's just like, they're so full off the salmon. He's like, I hit one in the face. I slapped it to the face. I was like, you're not afraid?

He's like, no, they're full. They don't care. He's got a velo bouch in the bear. Oh. I've listened to a couple of these albums. Good band. You guys still care about the band. Listen, I never know what band DK is talking about.

This feels great for me. Yeah, basking it. By the way, there is a live bear cam in the Cat Night Peninsula, I believe. Oh, fat bear. Oh, it's almost, yeah, fat bear's season. It's so great. You can just turn on the live cam, and it's just bears chomping down on salmon. The bear should charge for that.

No free content. You know what I mean? Only bears. That bear week is truly an incredible week. We're exploiting the bears. We have to end on only bears. All right. Only bears.