The Ringer NFL Show - The (Over)Thinking Man’s Mock Draft. Plus, Heifetz’s Engagement Story!

Episode Date: March 21, 2024

LIVE SHOW in Detroit on April 24: Click below for tickets! The guys mock the top 13 picks in the upcoming NFL draft by discussing what each team should do vs. what they (probably) will do with each selection and the important distinction between the two potential outcomes (5:15). “You guys want to do some emails?” (53:21) Tickets: http://bit.ly/ringerdraft24 Check out our 2024 Ringer NFL Draft Guide here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please check out theringer.com/RG to find out more or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Craig Horlbeck, and Ben Solak Social: Kiera Givens and Jack Sanders Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Raff show, my name is Danny Hyphitz, and I am joined by Danny Kelly, Benzluck, and Craig Horlick. I am back, baby. Why are you gone, Hyphithic? Where did you get up to? What did you do? I missed the show because I proposed to my girlfriend. Hey! What's you said?

Flex, flex, my God. It was a flexosaurus, yeah. We could talk. We could get into the story. end of the show. And I like that while I was proposing, you guys are talking about like old people sex in the Olympic Village, Matthew McConaughey. That's a little

glimpse into your future with your wife. One day, I'm hoping. Yeah, Woody Harrelson McConaughey's dad. I can't wait to litigate that. Let's dive into that. Yeah. There we go. Absolutely titillating opening there for people who are just tuning in for the first time. But we will get to

all that. So for today, so like 300 players have signed with new teams at the last like 10 days. And so we talked about that for a lot of the last two weeks. But now it just, the dust is settled. And we just got to figure out, like, what's actually going to happen in the draft. So we're just going to go through the top 13 picks.

And we chose 13 because we wanted to do the top 10, but then the Vikings at 11 and the Broncos at 12 and the Raiders are 13. I'll kind of need quarterback. So we're going to do the whole top 13. And we're just going to vibe out, like, what teams should do. And then what teams will do, kind of like, so like, you know, that meme of the guy holding his girlfriend's hand, but looking back at the other.

woman. Why me? Do the other guys not do memes? I don't know. You hadn't made fun of me. I do know the meme. I'm just, I've never been the one, the target of like, hey, pop culture reference, Ben, you would know this. Usually I'm the guy who doesn't get that. It's pretty huge for me. Well, I mean, honestly, the last episode

I was on, you, what, you said, you do some movie reference that Craig didn't know. That was like a looking glass. Yeah, Craig and I have both forgotten this. The Weirdo Yankevich. We'll like, yeah. He knew Daniel Rakiff played. Yeah.

This is on your roof. I'm generating some momentum, guys. I know a meme. I know a movie. We're living. I might know the artist, D.K. says at the end of this.

My voice all grows up. What's that from? I'll push her look. He doesn't know. Before we get through it, I want to show it. DK., you have your top 70. Scott of your court's done at NFledraft.

Dotterrener.com. It is ridiculously thorough. 70. Are there that many picks in the draft? Wow. Danny, who's your 69th rank player? Let's see here.

Oh, wow. We should make that like an award. DISA. Penn State. Ah, nice. Actually, I could do Isaac. I'm very happy about this. Nice.

He's like, nice. Yeah, hang nice. So I did want to shout out one player in particular because it's really comprehensive and you do incredible work, D.K., and incredible stuff. But what I really want to hate laser in handy here is some of your player comparisons. And I wanted to focus in particular, Tevondre Sweat, the defensive tackle out of Texas. Your player comp for Tevanger Sweat was the ever given, which is the boat that got stuck in the Suez. Get it?

Like he plugs up the middle, you know? Yeah, we got it. He's a big. Yeah, yeah, okay. I didn't know that boat was called the ever given. That's an insanely cool name. It isn't a cool. It was a cool name.

Did the boat die? The seven out of waging in at the senior bowl, presumably to lose weight and then coming at the NFL Combine weighing exactly what he was listed. He was waiting at Texas. Couldn't shed a pound of that 365, man. It's all got to be there. I mean, look, that's actually like the most relatable thing I've ever heard from an NFL player. It's like, yeah, I was going to lose weight and that I didn't.

Crazy how it didn't happen as well. Okay. Also, we are doing a live show in Detroit the week of the NFL draft. So that's DK. Sola, Craig, we're all going. Maybe we'll even let Kai come. We'll change in our mind of that. Kai will be there for all the Kai heads. We'll decide at the end of the show if Kai's going.

But we have a few tickets left. So go to the link in the description of this episode. You can buy your ticket. They're not expensive. A small price to pay. Only four payments in 9999. and you can come see us. To be clear,

Craig is lying. That's not what it costs. Yeah, you made that joke last time. I made a joke about, oh, just Venmo me, and then two separate people Venmo me money. That's crazy. I have $5.

and a cent. $5.01. I don't know how to say that grammatically. I have five in a cent. I decided I'm going to put my Venmo account in my bio. Don't. Fuck it.

Don't. Free money. No. All right. Let's do the show. Yeah, and that links in the episode of description. We're going to just vibe through the top 30. And we're going to talk about what each team should do and then what they will do.

D.K., lead us off here, age before beauty. Bears, bears got the first pick. What should the Bears do? And then what will the Bears do? Okay, so the Chicago Bears should take Caleb Williams quarterback out of USC first overall. And the Bears will take Caleb Williams quarterback out of USC first of all. So he had his pro day today. It is Wednesday.

And all the Bears were there. Keenan Allen, newly minted Bear was there hanging out, but ready to, it doesn't feel like the are hiding it anymore that this is going to be the pick. Well, yeah, the vibes seem pretty good in Chicago for the first time in a long time. Ever, ever? There was a, there was a clip of Ryan Poles greeting Caleb Williams' father. He was there. Poles was down in the field. Kelly Williams, Pop Carl was up, was up in the stands.

And they did like the most like, I know you, you know me handshake and then she kept it moving. And I feel like maybe we can use that to fuel some more of the like, Caleb's dad is going to force him out of Chicago thing. It was a two out of ten handshake. It was not great. Other than that, though, excellent pro time. D.K., if Bears fans are just ecstatic that this is actually happening but haven't actually watched Caleb Williams, can you explain why Bears fans should be excited to have Caleb Williams? Yeah, so if you're just tuning in now.

So actually, I saw Daniel Jeremiah post-a clip the other day that kind of brought me back to like the reason I fell in love with Caleb Williams and the reason he's the first overall player on my draft board. And basically it was a play from 2022 where Caleb Williams scrambled out. He beat pressure, scrambled out. he beat pressure, scrambled on the pocket, lofted a pass over like a trailing defender is just like a beautiful arch down the sideline on the move. And at the end, Daniel Jeremiah just goes, just a stupid throw. And I just kind of think back to like, just a stupid throw, like in the best way.

And the more I realize it and like going back to watching his tape, I'm like, he makes like two or three of these plays every game. He has just absolutely ridiculous, ridiculous talent. I understand some of the concerns that people might have about him holding on the ball too long, but like when you get a guy with this skill set and his traits, like they are both off the charts, you have to draft him. I'm sorry, you have to draft him. So Bears fans should be absolutely really excited about this. He has incredible talent, incredible command and control throwing the football, great accuracy, great athleticism.

I think he, you know, even like people kind of get on him about his personality. He's like really, really confident. That's what you want at a quarterback. You want a cocky asshole. You know what I mean? Like, and that's what he is. So, I don't know. Bears fans should be really excited about this.

This is potentially franchise changing. He threw a deep ball today that was like, at his pro day that was like 65 yards clean in the air in stride on a rope. Pretty impressive. Craig was like, and I'm into it. I like that. That was cool for me. And for that reason I'm in. Also very thick Caleb Williams.

Thick man. He's got a badunk-and-and-dunk. He's got a dunk. Like his arms are thick. He's got like big forearms, ass, thighs, calves, like neck, head. He is just like one big thick muscle. He's got a donk. I noticed this at the combine, but then that guy asked him if he was scared to compete.

And everyone was like, you can't talk to Caleb Williams. That way I'm going to keep my thoughts on his dog to myself. If it's just like, didn't want to ask him about his ass. No, I, but, you know, it's been a few weeks. So it's, I think it's safe to say, yeah, no, he's just, you know, quarterbacks, pitchers. Like, let's just make sure the NFL can get these guys the right pants. He has what you call a powerhouse down there. That's what they call it.

So the kids are calling it. All right. Next up here, so like, commanders are picking second. Who should Washington take and then who will Washington take? Emphatically, Washington should take Drake May,

the quarterback out of UNC. He's the second best quarterback in this class. He's closer to Caleb Williams than than Jane Daniels is to him, than JJ McCarthy is to him, had this opinion on May since last season, had this opinion on May throughout the season. May is second best quarterback in this class.

I feel that strongly with my chest. Washington will take Jane and Daniels, a quarterback out of the lawsuit. That's how, like, I think, like, I think, oh, I will say I am, I'm right now like 60, 40 that Jane is going to be the pick. I'm definitely leaving myself room over the next six weeks. How many weeks of the draft? Six, five weeks to flip on that.

I think that a lot of the Jane and Daniels reporting is like, there were a couple of rumors that they could maybe take Jane and Daniels. And those have just been, like, recirculating and been rumorediting and been rumor mill. Like, a lot of this feels like hearsay, a lot of this feels like smoke no fire, but maybe there's fire. I think we'll find out for the next five, six weeks. So in general, I think Drake is the clear choice. I don't think Drake is out of the competition, but Jaden, man, with the rushing ability,

the dual threat, with the, oh, you know, we like him for the air raid system and we like the vertical throws, the Heisman production. Like, there's a lot of all of allure. There's a lot of recent strong production there that kind of outweighs Drake May's final season that I think is going to catnip some people a little bit. And I think Washington is liable for that. I think it would be a franchise defining mistake. fake, however, to take Daniels over May. Yes, Mr. Holbeck in the back, raising his hand.

Sure. This might be a stupid question, but the commanders traded away Sam Howell, who is a good friend of Drake Mays and they went to the same college. Do you think that they got rid of Sam Howell so that they can draft Drake May, and it wouldn't be weird to have them in the locker room as friends with Drake May stepping into start over his friend Sam Howell? I don't know. It's weird, right? Because that was definitely a thing when everybody thought the pick was going to be Drake May. There was like a, oh, like, if they draft Drake May and like Drake and Sam are buddies and like Drake's take the starting job, that'll be weird. At the same time, like, it'd be nice if your quarterback one and your quarterback two were pals.

Like you want those guys to be friends. You want them to enjoy one another's company and work together and what have you. And so I don't know. I can't read too well into that that interchange. I think they got a good deal for Sam Powell and they took it. Right. I think that that was kind of, okay, if you were the starting quarterback of a team and then Hyphitz came in and was the, and then put you on the bench.

He said Hyphitz. How would that, would that be okay with you? You guys are buddies. Would you be fine with that? No, I'm actually, yeah, I'm going to go against what Ben said. I think it's bad if they're best friends. I don't think that's the dynamic you want. The thing is, like, Howell was the old front offices and coaching staffs guy.

We've got to remember, like, this Washington crew had no commitment to Howell at all. They didn't bring him in. They didn't develop him. And so I think for them, like, I think the reason that Howl got moved, plain and simple, is because they got a good deal on Howell. And if that has, like, any sort of impact on Drake May's landing spot, like, maybe it does. maybe it doesn't. The one thing that does drive me nuts

is people like, oh, it's a Cliff Kingsborough, it's an air raid. So you got to get Jane Daniels in there. Drake, May ran the air raid. He was an air raid quarterback. Phil Longo. This was like air raid,

air raid, air raid offense in UNC. People bring up like, oh, May's not a fit for this offense. Drives me up the wall. We can talk ourselves in circles about both of these guys and feel like. The last thing I'll say in the commanders

just because I think it's helpful for all these teams is we say, what do the commanders want? Not a real thing. Companies are just things, their ideas that exist. It's just made up of people. The commanders have a bizarre amount of people making a decision.

They have Josh Harris as the new owner who is being advised by Bob Myers, who is the Warriors GM, also being advised by Rick Spielman, who is the former Vikings GM. They also have a real GM Adam Peters. They kept Martin Mayhew, who is the old GM. Never mind that they have Dan Quinn, the coach, and then Cliff Kingsbury, the coordinator. A lot of voices. So honestly, I wouldn't be surprised that they don't know still. What that said, Bob Myers, not a great history with number two overall picks.

The Warriors took James Wiseman, massive disaster. There you go. Josh Harris, not a very good history of being good. Sixers fan. What's up? Next up, Craig. Patriots have the third pick. What do you think the Patriots should do? And then what do you think the Patriots should take whoever's left to Drake May or Jane Daniels.

I don't, I think the Patriots will trade down. Oh. That's not what this doc says. It says, you have changed. The doc says the Patriots. You've betrayed the doc. He's going rogue. Here's what the doc says.

The Patriots will take whoever's left of Drake May or Jane Daniels or maybe they'll trade down. That is such fenced in it. It is parentheses or maybe New York will trade down four question marks, close parentheses. I can't. The punctuation makes a difference. I want to run something by you guys. This is kind of been out there now for the last couple days, so it's not like new anymore. But a couple nights ago, D.K. and I were texting it like midnight.

And I found a tweet of the Patriots College scouting director Cameron Williams has liked one singular tweet in 2024. And it is a tweet speculating that the Vikings are sending a godfather off. for the number two or number three overall pick. And the reasoning behind it is the Vikings hired Josh McCown as their quarterback's coach. Josh McCown was Drake May's coach in high school. And so the connection is actually that the Vikings are not trying to trade up to get JJ McCarthy at like, say, four or five. They actually want Drake May. And they feel Drake May is the best fit.

And they will trade up with the Pats, notorious trade down team to slide into three if the commanders take Jane Daniels at two. So if you're a conspiracy theorist, all the smoke and all the... the hype about J.G. McCarthy makes so much sense if they actually really want to go get Drake May. Well, also, wait, to be clear, though, this tweet was liked by the Patriots College Scouting Director. Correct. So I know that's not exactly like an A to B. No, no, no, but I'm saying, here's a thing though. What goes into the, I just want to start, what goes into liking a tweet? Because you could be liking the first sentence, which is, I'm telling you guys, Drake May as a Viking. And he's like, that's true. We're going to trade the pick. He could also like the tweet,

he's like, I'm telling you guys, Drake May is a Viking. And he's like, that's wrong. He also could be looking at the last sentence, which is the questions now, how much do they have to, because the last sentence is what you read before you like it. And it's like the questions now, how much do they have to pay to get the commander's patrons patrons to get out of those picks?

And he could have laughed and be like, yeah, we're not treated the pick. And then liked it. So you think it's a troll like? I don't know, but I wanted to pose that question. Well, look, this guy doesn't throw around likes. You know what I mean? One like in 2020. He's really picky. this likes.

It's four likes a year. This is the only set for this quarter. He's not paying for the check mark. Actually, he is paying for the check mark. Someone should tell him that he can get his own likes as he wants. Because when someone like quote treats an article or clip of mine, they're like, this kid is the worst I've ever seen ever try to talk about football ever. I'm always like, hey, like, just let you know I saw it, right?

So yeah. Again, like if I were an athlete every year during free agency, I would just schedule a couple of eye emoji tweets, just like, and then I would forget when I scheduled them for. then they would randomly drop like four days in a free agency, people would think we're making a trade, right? You just kind of screw around with the internet a little bit. Maybe that's what Cameron Williams is doing. He's like, I'm just going to like some speculation tweets.

Gets people talk. It's provocative, all right? So, like, I'm on your Twitter. One of your most recent likes, happy birthday to one of the good guys in Bristol, Kevin Nagandi from anchoring. Are you going to be an anchor on Sports Center? No, I like Kevin.

Okay, I'm not going to lie. I was trying to find some of your tweets to be like weird, but it's not like... Oh, if you keep scrolling down, there was a young man who got very upset with me the other day. Boom. We hit him with the like. He got very upset with me.

So, D.K., on a scale of whatever, it's fine, nobody can predict the future to absolutely catastrophic. Is it that big of a deal if the Patriots take J.J. McCarthy over Drake May or just trade back and don't take him back? J.G. McCarthy or Jaden Daniels? Well, no. Let's say like Washington takes Jaden Daniels. And then it's like Drake May McCarthy and the Patriots either take McCarthy over May or just trade

down and don't take either. How catastrophic are both those? I mean, obviously, yeah, this is one of those things where. a lot of the times we don't have a great grasp on who's actually good. I think Drake May is much better than JJ McCarthy. So I think it would be stupid to do that. But, you know, these things tend to turn out differently than a lot of people think. So I guess it would be worth watching.

I don't know. I think it's, I think it would be dumb though. They could do the McCarthy thing and sit them for a year, right? Because they have Jacoby. Like, I think the commander's like with Marcus Marcosoota. Like you do not want to see 12 games, 15 games of Marcus Mario. That's tough. Jacobi, you can actually like get through a season like that.

And I think the Patriots really wanted to build a good incubator for a young quarterback, right? They were really in on the Calvin Ridley market and they weren't able to get anything done there. But like they bring Kendrick Bourne back. They bring Mike and Wenu back. They sign Chukes Socorra for like they have their starting tackles. They tried to build a receiver room. It was super successful. They kept Hunter Henry.

Like it feels like they're trying to build an incubator for a quarterback. So I think they're more likely to take a guy than trade back if a guy's available. And I could see them preferring McCarthy because like timeline wise, this is going to be a rebuild year for them anyway. McCarthy's the young guy. he's the guy who needs the development. So it wouldn't surprise me too much. But again, like the Patriots, impossible to nail down right now.

So we know very little about that scouting staff, that coaching staff and kind of what they prioritize. The Vikings call you an offer 11 and 23 this year and next year's first rounder for three. In a heartbeat. What if Drake May's there? In two heartbeats. In seven heartbeats.

You would trade Drake May for the 11th pick, the 23rd pick in a first next year. Three first, brother. Three first. I rebuild a team with three first, no problem. But don't you have to go get a quarterback and then eventually trade three first to get the quarterback? Yeah, but let's do that later, dude. It's chill.

Here's the thing. It'll work out. It's fine. You got to remember, once you draft the quarterback, you start the clock. It is very rare for a general manager to have a second try at taking a top five, top 10 quarterback. Unless your name is Rick Spielman, you usually don't get that shot. So if you're going to draft the guy, you better be willing to ride and die with the guy. And if I'm Elliott Wolf, oh, baby, I go get me a Roma dunzae in the building.

I get a, man, I got a Jay Graham Barton. I get a guard. I set up my offense a little bit. See what Gerard, Alex Van Pelt have got. Settle in a little bit. You don't need to start your clock that early. I will say, just as we do this every year, my inaugural mention of next year's draft quarterback class.

Next year's quarterback class might suck. So I don't know how much that affects the conversations as well. That's the opposite of how it normally is. So that's actually good that you do that. Because everyone's always like, oh, yeah, next year's class is supposed to be so good. Next year's class is not expected to be good. Next up here, we have Cardinals are picking fourth DK. What should Arizona do with the fourth pick?

and then what will Arizona do with the other pick. Arizona should take Marvin Harrison Jr., the wide receiver out of Ohio State. And I think Arizona will take Marvin Harrison, Jr. from Ohio State. Or trade down. Yeah, no. That was for you, Solai.

All right. Here's the ammunition that the Cardinals have this year. 104, so the fourth overall pick, the 27th overall pick, the 35th overall pick, which obviously is three picks into the same. second round. The 66 overall pick was the early third. 71. 90. That is six picks in the first 90. Plus they have five picks on day three. At some point, you got to take some players, don't you think? And I think obviously Marvin Harrison really, really well-rounded skill set. I think he would be an

absolute force multiplier for Arizona in terms of their passing game. Right now, their passing game essentially consists of Trey McBride, who is a tight end, plus a bunch of role players. We got Michael Wilson who was a rookie last year. Chris Moore, who is a veteran journeyman. Zach Paskill, who I feel like we were talking about seven years ago as like a sleeper in fantasy. Greg Dorch, who's a great slot guy, but he's not going to be like a high volume dude. And then a bunch of NPCs as far as I'm telling you, man, the wide receiver rooms in 2024 are a fucking disaster. So I know that you guys have heard of Andre Bechelia or Bechelia only because he's very similarly named to an opera singer. Have you ever heard of Dan Chisena?

No. Yeah, he's one of the hosts of the show. Dan Chisana or Chisina. No. There's a guy, and I'm not kidding, named Jeff Smith. Not a real person. Daniel Arias, Arias, Arias. They're like our podcast.

They just have a bunch of random dudes named Dan. Ben, Ben, have you heard of these people? Nope. Here's my, I have good news, guys. I've never heard of these people. I figured out the draft. I'm very excited. I figured out the draft this morning.

Okay. So post engagement clarity. So again, the question, like, should, because again, obviously the Vikings want a quarterback, should the, you know, the Cardinals take Marvin Harrison Jr. and, like, fix this weird Dan room of wide receivers, or should they trade down? The answer is both. The Cardinals should do both. They literally should take the Vikings trade package and then just trade back up with the Chargers and take the fifth pick and take Marvin Harrison, Jr. with the fifth pick. Well, you have to have deals in order to do that. Well, in theory, that's a good idea. How weird is it? How weird is it the

Vikings acquired the 23rd pick. So I gave this a lot of thought, but here's the thing. It actually makes so much sense for everybody involved. The Vikings, let's just, the Vikings have the 11th pick and the 23rd pick. Let's just say they give 11, 23, and then like a fourth round or whatever to the Cardinals. So Vikings get J.J. McCarthy. They're happy. At four. At four. The Cardinals now move back to 11. But now the Cardinals, they already have 11. They all of 23. They already have 27. They have an early second. They have like two early thirds. They have a mid-third. They already have like eight picks in the top 100. It's exactly the kind of thing.

You're like, wow, we should probably consolidate this into, like, an elite player, shouldn't we? So the idea that they would, like, collect all this value and then just, like, throw more, they already have a shitload of darts. Take Marvin Harrison, Jr. But here's the thing. I think, like, getting ahead of ourselves here, I don't think the Chargers want a wide receiver. The Chargers are going to be sitting there like, we don't really need Marvin Harrison, Jr.

The Chargers probably won an offensive linemen. So the Cardinals could trade back up. Now, I know that sounds convoluted. Here's the thing. Arizona did this last year. Arizona last year, the third pick, traded back to 11, then traded up to 6 and took Bears Johnson Jr. Who they were going to take at three anyway? And that's what did they basically do? Arizona basically charged a toll for sitting in this spot, but then went back up and got the

player anyway and just basically skimmed off the top. And I kind of think the Cardinals might do that again. Like if you just think about it as quarterback, quarterback, quarterback, the Cardinals are like, we want a Marvin Harrison, but we also want a piece of this trade action. We're not going to let the charges just get the value of the trade down. You convinced me, that. When you started with that, I was like, no, this is dumb. By then, I was like, that's pretty high. I can do it. The only issue with that is, is that gives you, how many minutes between each pick? Is it five or ten minutes? Ten. Ten. You got to move quick. I mean, if you basically trade out of four, you have now ten minutes to negotiate with the Chargers to then trade back up to five. You have two months. I don't, I think this conversation has already happened and that's why the Vikings went up and got the 23rd pick. So you think the Cardinals are like, hey, if somebody comes up and takes four from us, we're going to come up to U.L.L.

LA and try to get five from you. And LA's like, cool. I think that they, I think that there's a framework that could, look, I don't want to get this is total speculation. I think what, but again, I think if you just look at it, basically if we're saying, someone's going to trade up from McCarthy, if we're saying the charges would trade down. The Cardinals like, whoa, whoa, whoa, we pick first. Like let let us wet the beak.

But if you think about it, the charges would be able to move down six picks and maybe get the player they won anyway, but they could add like the 35th pick in the draft. So an early second rounder. And they, the charges could add a second rounder, maybe just get the, the guy they were going to take anyway at five, just like the Cardinals did last year. Good deal for Los Angeles. The Cardinals could add, basically move up like 12 spots again in the first round and just get Marvin Harrison Jr. anyway and the Vikings, and it just makes everyone happy.

And I know that sounds insane. But literally, Arizona did that last year and the Vikings randomly acquired a first rounder in the 20s. The thing I will say about the Cardinals doing it last year is that the Cardinals moved up from 12 to 6. The team that moved back was the Lions. The Lions had the pick at six, they moved back to 12. The Lions wanted Devon Witherspoon at 6.

That was the player that they were targeting. They were all the way in Witherspoon. Everybody had that in their mock drafts. It was highly anticipated. And then the Seahawks kind of surprised everybody and went Witherspoon at 5. And I think that the Cardinals' motivation to move up to six was a lot less than like, oh, they always wanted to do this. And it was more like Detroit's making calls on people as well. Now, to Craig's point, you have to figure all this out in a 10-minute time frame.

a big part of general managing is just like, hey, you know, right now the Cardinals, like, in 2023, the Cardinals weren't thinking about a trade with the Lions at all, right? They weren't like, oh, like, you know, we got to move with the Lions spot at 6. Like, we're not into that. But you still have to do the legwork of like, okay, who do the Lions like? I'm like, what will happen in the Lions are like, who are they interested in whatever? It's that way when you get to that moment of like, oh, the Lions want a Witherspoon, they're there at 6.

They don't know what to take. They're going to trade back. Like, let's get them on the phone. Let's figure this out. So there's still ways to work on the deal, even if you don't know, like, who has the picks and what the prices are going to be? Because your job is to just know what the general manager is like. Well, I actually think they have 10 minutes.

We started this draft podcast in December. In terms of, like, coming to terms on a deal, they have 10 minutes. But also, like, you can know a lot about the team you're dealing with before you get that. Because, like, they don't know exactly what Minnesota is going to give them, which means they don't know what exactly they can give L.A. They call each other. I don't know. I think that stuff's a lot easier said than done.

This is making, you're making a lot of assumption jumps here. Like, this also assumes that the chargers don't want a receiver. Yeah, of course. So let's go to them next. And of course, it's none of assumptions. I'm saying that if you're, I think it actually makes sense for everybody. And so I go to the charges. Here's for 100% decay.

This is the assumption. So I, it, this is, we're not, it's, this is an if then. If Michigan quarterback J.J. McCarthy is still on the board when the charges pick at number five, then the charges should trade down with Minnesota. Because I think it's, I mean, small world, one, the idea that if McCarthy's on the board, the charges are five. The idea that Jim Harbaal would decide what J.J. McCarthy plays, his quarterback at Michigan is kind of like, I mean, that's just weird.

The charges don't need a quarterback. they have Justin Herbert. And here's the thing. I just really, really doubt the Chargers take a wide receiver. This is the assumption that is like underlying about this. Like Jim Harbaugh's opening press conference, all his comments about an offense were, tell me about the offensive line first, go through that position. That's where it starts.

A team that is tough, a team that can block, balanced run game, pass game. You have to protect the quarterback. Joe Ortiz, the Charger GM, who is also D.K's older evil brother, like literally one of the first things he said, you build a great run game and a great offensive. line and then you protect your quarterback. Like they didn't even mention passing for like quite some time. And then I know that's like, oh, well, it's the press comments.

They've been super honest. Like they were like even already with free agency, the things they said, they've really actually already acted on. And but also it's just that's Jim Harbaugh to me. He's going to take like some big bruising dude. And so I think that if you look at the tackles available, there's not a lot of consensus. Joe Alt, the tackle at Notre Dame.

You have, you know, Fawaga from Oregon State. You have Fashu at Penn State who Harbaugh played against. The Chargers could pretty easily get one of those guys at the 11. They're guaranteed to get a top-tier tackle at 11. And it pretty easily could be the guy the Chargers had as their top tackle could fall to 11 because there's disagreement this year. Yeah. Yeah. I think that all makes sense.

It does. The most interesting thing in the drafts to me right now is the Patriots at 3 and just kind of what that whole team wants to do. The second most interesting thing to me is we have the Cardinals at 4, the Chargers at 5. And both teams, I think, very clearly need a star wide receiver. And both teams very clearly are interested in trading down. And so it's a question of, okay, which star receiver do you like? Because there's been a lot of buzz over the last couple of weeks, couple months that some teams have Malik neighbors,

the LSU receiver ranked over Marvin Harrison, the Ohio State receiver. Daniel Jeremiah Venetful Network tweeted this week. I would not be surprised neighbors the first receiver off the board. So it's okay, between four and five carnals and charges. One, who's your top receiver? Who do you like? Two, how much do you like the second best guy? Because you might end up getting that guy and weighing that against the value of trading back.

Like the four, five dances is a very serious one. One of those two teams is trading back. and I think the other of those two teams is taking a star receiver. Maybe it's both high fits. Maybe it's both things. But I think for sure, either four or five,

like one of those teams trades back and it's a quarterback and the other one takes a receiver and I don't know who it is at this point. It's also a lot of work for Arizona. It's a lot of maneuvering to just still take Marvin Harrison Jr. One pick later.

Or they just stay at four and take Marvin Harrison and not have to deal with any of that or getting swooped by a different team at five. They could just draft Marvin Harrison Jr. And sure, they might lose out on getting like a second or a third But they already have a million picks.

Like maybe they're just like, you know, it's easier just taking Marvin Harrison and not dealing with all of this hoopla. What, these guys who sleep at their office 20 hours a day, can't think about a trade. I think, maybe, I don't mean it like a galaxy brain. I guess they think of it like, let's say if the first four picks are quarterbacks and the Chargers don't actually want a receiver, are they going to take a tackle at five?

Or should they be like, hmm, maybe we should trade down because a lot of teams want Marvin Harrison Jr. And then we should take a tackle because we think a lot of them are similar. who wants Marvin Harrison Jr. Oh shit, maybe the Cardinals actually want Marvin Harrison Jr. Even though they just took that trade. And so that's what I'm saying. I think that if the Cardinals took them at four,

the Chargers right should be trading the pick, right? The Chargers should take the Vikings deal if J.G McCarthy's there. But even if all four quarterbacks are gone and the Chargers there at five, they should probably still trade down and take a tackle and add a pick. Then just take a tack. We're rapidly approaching nerd draft them, which is like, why aren't you trading down? Trade down right now.

Trade down, trade down, trade out. It's like, eventually got to get a good player on the team, brother. Yeah, you know, you know, Hyvich, you know the fantasy football, like, trope of, like, it's the third round, and DeAndre Swift is there, and you're like, I really want him, but this feels just a little early. I'm going to get somebody else and wait and see if I can get him back on the fourth, and then he's inevitably gets drafted, and you don't get him. You're like, God damn, but I wish I just took him in the third.

To me, that's how I would approach this if I'm, like, a team that's, you don't want to get too cute with it. Like, I'm like, there's so much maneuvering to just get the guy I want to pick later. it's like, I just, you're going to regret it if somebody swoops in ahead of you and gives a bigger deal to swoop in at 5 and steal Marvin Harrison from you and then you're sitting there at 11 and you're not going to get a Dunzee, neighbors, or Marvin Harrison. All right, the New York Giants

are picking 6th. I think the Giants should take Malik neighbors, the receiver from LSU or Roma Dunseley from Washington. And I do think the Giants will take Malik neighbors out of LSU. Unless the Giants are just like obsessed with J.J. McCarthy and I'm quietly a little worried that they are.

I kind of think the Giants just going to take Malik neighbors and the Giants are just going to be thrilled to finally have someone who can run faster than like a four or five. I mean, I guess they have people, but someone who can turn to. I think a Giants quarterback room with Daniel Jones,

Drew Locke and JJ McCarthy. Fascinating. Fascinating content. That's a fratting group of meditative. The Giants feel like the one wide receiver needy team that actually will take a wide receiver. And the Cardinals, the chargers up in the air, it feels like the Giants, that is their move. Again, the Giants, Darius Slaten's led the Giants in receiving arts for the last five years.

And now they don't know Sakein-Barkley. Yeah. The Giants receiver room is perfectly set up to have like to drop like a number one guy in there, whether that's neighbors or Zunez. Because they have like a field stretching role player in Jalen Hyatt who has an incredible speed. He can, you know, like influence the defense in that way. They've got Wondell Robinson who is essentially like a running back playing receiver and kind of do the underneath stuff. Darius Slate is still there. Darren is still there, I think.

he's probably all I retired dude yeah what's that I don't think he's coming back Daniel bellinger is there he did not retire he did not retire yet waller he might retire he might retire I think he's just the he's just the jibby butler meme on the bench just like oh my god he's just so tired just team it makes a lot of sense for them to just drop a like a number one guy that can really change like everyone around him so top six picks I think we agree four quarterbacks two receivers to start so like the titans are picking seventh what should the titans do and what do you think the titans will do uh the uh the The Tennessee Titans should take Joe Alt,

the left to Acalada in Notre Dame. So, just do it. This is always, take your vegetables. Like the Cardinals last year with Paris Johnson in the top 10, right? Sometimes you just got to sit there. You can't make the sexy pick. You have to take the top tackle.

There were other positions where, like, I think the Titans had needs and the wide receiver, I think was a popular spot for them. And then they went and signed Calvin Ridley. Like, like they, Calvin D'Andre Hopkins, they actually kind of have guys. Tackle was an unbelievable rotation for them last year, right?

Like, I had Jalen Duncan and Nicholas Petit Frere and, and Skaronsky and like they just had Andre Dillard, right? They signed Dillard to that big deal and everybody was like, what are you doing? And then one year later they cut him. It's like, yeah, what did you think was going to happen? So they desperately need to like solidify that position. They should take Joe Walt in my opinion is the best tackle in the class.

I think NFL consensus. He's the best tackle in the class and he makes a lot of sense what Brian Callahan wants to do. What will they do? They'll take the best tackle in the class. I think that they know they need to eat their veggies and they need to be able to protect, we'll love us to evaluate him. This feels like a lock and steady pick.

The only thing I would say is that if we're, overestimating the trade market. The Titans are also a good, like, trade back to the lot of the team come get J. J.J. McCarthy. That'd be the only, like, exemption that was surprising me. Other than that, I think this is a Joe Waltz spot. Also, Brian Callahan, the Titans had coach hired, first Nepo father hired his dad to be the old line coach.

And I literally asked that Brian Callen and at the combine what's like to be your dad's boss. And he said, you know what? It's like any other employee, honestly, which is horseshit because that he was like, yeah, you know, I mean, I can't really tell him what to do. He's my dad, right? But like any other employee. And I'm like, oh, good, cool. So your dad, the old line coach is going to look you in the eye and be like,

we're going to take Joe Alt, son. And he's going to be like, yes, sir. He's like any other really insubordinate employee. Here, Ben, you want to take this one? Atlanta Falcons picking it eight. I think the Falcons should be the team that takes the first defensive player. This is, I think, a team that could both fit Dallas Turner, the edge out of Alabama, where they've kind of had like a couple of, like, Zach Harrison's a draft pick.

I don't know if Katie's a draft pick. Clay's Campbell agreed to you. They've had a couple guys like be serviceable for four to, game stretch, but in general, like, I think an elite rusher is still needed. Dallas Turner, potentially being the best guy on the board, Jared, versus out of Florida State and Latu, Latu out of UCLA, kind of the other guys who might be edge one. Or it could be a cornerback where they have AJ Terrell. He's a clear lockdown corner one.

He only has one year left on his deal. They don't really have a corner to two. So that's the Terry on Arnold spot, corner out of Alabama. I prefer Quinnian Mitchell, the corner of Toledo is the top guy. So there's five names for it. They're all the defensive players. There's going to be like two total defenders taken in the top 13, to be honest in this draft. I think the first one goes here.

I think in terms of who they will eventually take, I honestly think they're going to be, Terry and Arnold, the corner out of Alabama. I know the consensus right now is they're going to go edge. I think they're going to go a corner too. And be able to play Clark Phillips on the inside, have like a lockdown trio set of corners,

guys who can secure those positions. Jimmy Lake tends to ask a lot of his corners, the new DC there. And it also gives you some protection of AJ Terrell's contract gets nuts next year. So I think they're more likely to be a corner team than an edge team. I know most people right now are thinking edge rusher. We'll see how that looks over the next month.

I think it would make sense for them to take a corner because I think there's so many question marks about the top edge guys in this class. And I feel like the consensus or the unanimous feeling is that both Terry and Arnold and Quinnian Mitchell are both really, really good. And there's not really the same consensus with the pass rushers I don't feel like.

And Rahim Morris, the head new head coach of the Falcons was a defensive backs coach to start. So that always doesn't matter. There you go. D.K. Bears also have the ninth pick. This is their original pick. All right, so the Bears should take this is another if then.

If University of Washington wide receiver, Romad Dunezay is still on the board at number nine, then the bear should take Roma Dunezay. So this is one of those situations where I think people assumed when Keenan Allen got traded to the bears that they were not going to take a receiver anymore. They maybe take like an offensive lineman, shore up their defense, grab a pass rush. I think those are all possible things. But if you look at it a little more closely, like Keenan Allen is on a one-year deal effectively. he's on the last year of his contract.

He's almost 32 years old. This is not a guy who they can rely on super long term. Plus, just getting another guy in the building that can develop and be the number, like to start out with he'd be the number three, Roma Duns day would be. But a year down the line or two years down the line,

this is like a long-term plan with Caleb Williams. You get them good chemistry and you go from there. So I don't think this makes, I don't think this is like a redundant pick whatsoever. This is like planning for the future, which is what you should be doing with these premium picks. not trying to win in year one. So I don't know.

I still think Roma Dunesay, if he's there on the board at this spot, is a great pick for the Bears. Just get as many playmakers as you can for Caleb Williams. There's nothing wrong with that. I'm all for gassing up Caleb Williams and giving him like all the tools to cook. Every item in the kitchen. Like it's only,

it's like logical. This is exactly how you want to develop a quarter of a thing. Absolutely. I like they're doing it even with like Will Levis. It's like, yeah, give him receivers, an offensive line, running back. Like give him everything, every tool he needs to see. succeed. You should absolutely be doing this for Caleb Williams.

Yeah, it's 2024. This is one of those things that in 2034 you're going to look back and be like, how the hell did they let the bears do this? The concern about like, oh, are there enough targets to go around for Cole Komet? Because it's just like, it could not possibly move my spirit. Like I saw people talking about this and being like,

how are they supposed to feed all these mouths? I was like, oh, Chicago, honey, you haven't had this problem in a while, have you? That's a good question to ask and it's easy. It's don't throw to commit. Like, here we go. It's not simple. Give all his targets to roam. They're like, oh, Kevin Durant's and the Warriors, who's going to take the final shot?

It's like, it's going to be fine. Yeah. What are we going to do with Harrison Barnes? All right. Next up here, the Jets have the 10th pick. Craig, what should the Jets do? Jets should take an alignment and I think they will take an alignment. They just signed Mike Williams to round out their weird and wide receiver.

They heard it on this show. And they were like, Craig, I've got some ideas. You guys were talking about this. Could it be funnier that the Jets signed Mike Williams at receiver and Tyron Smith at tackle who were literally the two most injury prone people in the league at those positions? Hey, hey, Tyron Smith is not that. He's a little injury prone. It'll be fine.

It'll be fine. Tyrone Smith's entire career is defined by the fact that the Cowboys are great with Tyrone Smith and very bad without him. That's like it's sitting around all day worrying about who's going to get hurt. He played 13 games last year. We're chilling. They're just getting like the Aaron Rogers version of every position, which is great. Oh, so like I mentioned, wait, he played 13 games. Tyrone Smith has played 13 games, exactly 13 games in five of the last eight years.

Shush, shh, shh, show, show, show, show, show. He puts his finger up to your lips. Yeah. Just wait. You got, do you guys play D&D? Yeah. So, like, D&D, you have to, you have to roll, like, dice a lot to, like, accomplish certain things. And sometimes when you're, like, running away from a big bad or, like, trying to survive,

you just have to roll, like, survival check after survival check. like athletic check, just like constantly get above a certain number. Otherwise, you are dead. That's the Jets roster. Every player is like, all right, roll to see if he lives. I know. Okay, he's up for another week. He's just do that every week for four months.

They're just a terrifying way to live. It's just Russian roulette of a football team. Yeah, exactly. For 17 games of a season. How many linchpin players are there on this team? Like, we're depending on the health of a 33-year-old left tackle, a 33-year-old right tackle, a super injury-prone receiver in Mike Williams,

a 41-year-old guy coming off in Achilles. What could go wrong? I've never seen a coaching staff that was more like you're so fired. Everyone's fired if you don't make the playoffs. And this is the, they have now built the most like, yeah, if we don't make the playoffs or fucked that anyway,

so who cares? Like, it's the ultimate roster. Yeah, I mean, the year after Rogers tears as Achilles, if you don't take an alignment in the top 10. Well,

yeah, then he could protect him for the vice presidential exploratory committee that Rogers is forming. All right, next up here. We have, the Vikings are picking 11th. And then,

this is a real if, if then rather than should will. I think almost the questions like should the Vikings pay an absurd amount to try to convince the Patriots or Washington to give them Jaden Daniels or Drake May or should the Vikings merely pay a lot to go get J.J. McCarthy.

If the Vikings just sit at 11, what are the odds that J.J. McCarthy's just there at 11? In the world in which nobody else knows that they want J.J. McCarthy, probably decently high. In the world where the Broncos are there at 12 and the Raiders are at 13 and everybody in the entire world knows

the bankings want, DJ McCarthy 11, they're very slim, right? And that's my thing with the whole, like, Minnesota, you want to be like, maybe like a scosh quieter

about this? Now, this is why I feel like it's a smoke screen. It's out there so much. The loudness of it. I'm not like, I'm starting to get like a little like, okay,

everybody's talking about like, oh, Drake May is going to fall. Oh, everybody loves JJ McCarthy. It's starting to feel like all these teams outside of top 10 just really want Drake May to fall.

And so they're just, there's doing like, man, it's so crazy how Drake May's gonna fall. Like nobody on the top likes him. He was trying to do a little like, you know, let's get this reporting going. Let's get a read on who the commander is actually like.

I'm starting to get suspicious of just how loud the Vikings are being. But beggars can't be choosers. Like at the end of the day, the Vikings have to, like the top three teams need a quarterback. So they either have to pay so much to convince one of those teams to not take a quarterback, or they just get the fourth pick and they just get whatever's handed to them. So I feel like they don't have any like agency in that. Right? Am I missing something?

No, I agree. Now there's, I do think there is some, and like maybe it's like contrived agency, maybe it's kind of like made up in your own head. I do think that like the commanders don't know. Most agency is we're all just pawns and free wills a lot. Amen, brother. Eat Arbys.

But I do think that the commanders have yet to like fully decide who they want. And so I do think there is some value to the Vikings like, you know, dropping like, oh, you know, we love JJ this. I'm like, oh, JJ that. And, you know, oh, anonymous scout quote, I'm sorry, JJ McCarthy's the next era. and Rogers, Patrick Holmes love child. Like, you do kind of want to just, like, put stuff into the hopper to then get stuff out

of the hopper, right? Like, turn through quarterback opinions and try to see if you can get a read on what the commander's like. Like, I think that has some real value. These are the Vikings planning their draft day. So all the smokescreen is just to confuse the eight or nine people advising the new Washington owner. And why not?

Like, these are rookies, right? This is a new ownership group. Let's get in their head a little bit. I don't mind that in the slightest. This is an interesting one because it's not really a should will for the Vikings. It's a will should. Like, they will trade up for the fourth quarterback who is available. I think that is what is going to happen to Minnesota.

That's the loudest news right now. And until I'm led to believe otherwise, I think they're going to trade up wherever the fourth quarterback is. Right now, I expect that to be Digit McCarthy. Should they do that? The answer is depends on the fourth quarterback. I would not want to be trading future first to go get JJ. That is not something that I think is going to be healthy for the team.

I don't think that's going to deliver the early results that they need. I think that that's going to, you know, frustrate Justin Jefferson. I think it's going to be a tough road to hoe, getting J.J. McCarthy to a point where he's like a real good NFL quarterback. Even if he ends up solid, I think he's like a Brock Purdy guy to a guy

where you get that second contract and you're like, I don't know if we want to be paying him this money for the value that he gives us. And so to me, it's a conditional should. They should do it if the guy is like Drake or like even Jaden, like I'm more okay with McCarthy. I'm squirrelly about.

That scares me. I go the other way. I think the Vikings are the best spot for rookie quarterback in literally years. I can't remember the last time. I mean, I guess maybe like ironically Trayette into Shannhan who never got to play. But like Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, T.J. Hawkinson, uh, actually looks quality like above average offensive line.

And like that just doesn't. Kevin O'Connor does it happen. Good offensive coach. Yeah. Loki Chicago is kind of nice too. Yeah. I think the difference is you have to play outside of like this of a dome. Yeah, that's true.

And Chicago is also like maybe Shane Waldron is something. Kevin O'Connell is good as job, dude. Yeah. Like I would want to be a young quarterback under KOC. I will say the Josh McCabe, thing is hilarious to me. When did we decide Josh McCown's a good quarterback developer? I'm sorry, Bryce Young, 0 for one.

Josh McCown, I love that not only did he work with 14 NFL teams, but he's worked with like every high school quarterback in America because he just bounces around so much. Also, Josh McCown, the whole like big interest in Josh McCown as a coach came because the Texans, like, tried to interview him to be the head coach in 2021. Guys, Texans, famously not the smartest ownership group, all right? Oh, Houston's interested in Josh McCown. We got to get this guy in our building?

I'm suspicious about it. How'd you like Joshua? He's a nice fellow. Right here. Water cooler talk. Yeah. The Broncos, D.K., the Broncos are picking 12th.

What should the Broncos do? What will the Broncos do? The Broncos should stop fucking around to just take the best player available. Oh. And I think they should. And I think they will take the best player available. So who would not be the best player available? Like, give me a scenario in which they screw that up.

Boonex. Thank you. Boom or bud. There we go. Does Sean Payton, the human I can fix them. So you're saying they should just not take a quarterback. They should just take a really good defender. How about that?

And make their defense better. Stop trying to get cute. Stop like galaxy braiding stuff. I saw Hayden Wings tweeted this the other day. And it just like, it kind of like brought me back to reality. And I was like, Sean Payton, what would you say you do here? His tweet was literally. So what has been your favorite Broncos transaction since Sean Payton was traded for a first?

Yeah, Adam Trouman extension for sure. You're going to lock Adam Troutman. Is it? The four. or five times they've signed and released little Jordan Humphrey. Is it when they traded up and drafted a guy in the second round and then barely played him in Marvin Mims? Has it been when they released Russell Wilson and gave the team an $80 million dead cap hit? Oh, wait, sorry, that was after he, Sean Payton alienated Russell Wilson before they even started playing football.

Sean Payton made people feel bad for Russell Wilson. Challenging. What is Sean Payton done that's been like smart or good so far? Listen, you did, 85 over 5 from Mike McGlinchie. That contract's going to age, baby. It looks so good. Oh, Ben Powers, top 10 guard contract, top 25 guard play. You don't like that value?

Cab's going to keep going up. That's going to look good in a few years. Yep. I will say, J-Quan McMillan playing the slot there. Looks pretty good. Found a guy. Okay. Okay.

Okay. A good corner. Yeah. Now we're talking. Jerry Judy trade, maybe. probably not? I don't know. That's what I got. It's fine. It's not bad.

Love that fifth and sixth rounder for Jerry Judy. Next up. All right. Yeah, I don't think they should take the fifth quarterback. Next, we have the Raiders who picking 13th. Craig, what do you think the Raiders should do? And what will the readers do? The Raiders should probably just take the best player they can and like be a bad team because they're in the same division as the Chiefs and just like be bad and draft

a good player. But they'll probably do something nuts. They'll probably draft like Michael Pennix or something because Michael Pennock. That's out there. He played an Allegiant Stadium against Oregon and looked incredible. And I'm sure they're like, well, this is his stadium now. That's the best quarterback play that they've seen at Allegiance Stadium.

Probably since the, uh, I know, probably there were some away quarterback. So again's, or Herbert goes there every so often. Mahomes has been there. Yeah, yeah. Has been there. I will say, okay, so in terms of like, so we said best player available for the Broncos at 12 and for the Raiders of 13. I agree. We started to put names to faces, man.

Like, the best player available is Brock Bowers. I like the Broncos they're starting tight end is Adam Troutman like I think the Broncos should absolutely What about Greg Dulcich? Greg Dulcich Horatcher The Broncos best tight end is Adam Troutman Oh! So I yeah

Well what about when they trade for Taysam Hill He's probably their best quarterback. God, yeah, when is Taysam Hill going to end up in Denver? You gotta give them the first. That'll be a transaction I like. This is why I don't understand why Sean Payton didn't want Russell or Justin Fields is like he already did the whole Taysom Hill thing. Why not just turn Justin Fields into like a glorified Taysom Hill?

quite as good as Tateaum Hill, mind you because Taysam Hill is elite. True. You know, like a different version of Taysam Hill is what I was thinking. Whenever we go through the top 10, top 15, and we don't, like, where's Brock Bowers going to go? Like the Broncos at 12 make a ton of sense

of the Brock Bowers team. The only way they make that pick is if they are a well-managed, patient, long view in the room team. Right? If they're like, all right, we're just going to take the best player, we're going to continue to build this up slowly, and then we're going to build a contender. Are they of that headspace at this time,

I have my suspicions. I'm not sure they're going to be willing to do that. Maybe it's Talis Fouaga, maybe it's Olufashanu, tackles at Oregon State and Penn State, respectively. They have Gariboles and McGlenshy. Like, they have their castle set. Well, Bulls is a free agent after next year and also kind of sucks.

Yeah, bulls is when you're left, yeah. And so we will, you know, like, the Broncos BPA, like, to me, like, it should be either like, one of Taryn, Arnold, or Quentin, Mitchell, right? Who they have room for an outside corner to. Or it should be Brock Bowers.

And I think if it's either one of those picks, I think Broncos fans will go postal. And I would honestly be surprised to see it. If there is a team that makes a surprise, massive trade up to beat the Vikings for a quarterback, I swear to you, it's going to be the Broncos. And again, Sean Payton just burning through draft capital. He's going to said, Corlin Sutton and three first to get the four, dude.

Like, I promise you. They're going to go hog wild. What do we think about the Raiders, the smoke around Michael Pennix and the Raiders? Because that has picked up steam lately. Jeremiah gave Michael Pennex to Raiders in his last mock draft, which, by the way, the way that Daniel Jeremiah

does his mocks is what he's hearing, not what he thinks should happen. So, and this is something that I had kind of heard some indications for at the Combine that they really like Michael Penix. He feels Raidersy. Just like we were saying that Mike Williams feels jetsy. My mock draft is just going to be like,

who feels Cardinal Z? And then I would just put a players down. 100%. The Raiders are, I think, for better or for worse, Antonio Pierce is going to be a Hall of Fame vibes coach. Like he's just going to, like, and I think that he's Michael Pennex is a vibes. I mean, look, a guy with a checkery medical history who throws a gorgeous deep ball who played one good game in that stadium.

Like that is a Raiders quarterback. Yeah. All right. So there we go. We solved it. We did it. I would really, I would really not like for the fifth quarterback to go top 15. I don't want to have to say the things about the team and the quarterback that I will have

to say if that occurs. I have one final question. Drake may fascinates me. So I want to ask this question. If you can pick for any team for Drake made a land on within reason, commanders, patriots, let's toss in the Vikings. Let's toss in, I guess, Denver. Which team do you think is the best fit for him?

I think it's Minnesota not even close. Minnesota, not even close. I would predict the Vikings to win 12 games. I mean, like, other than like, ironically, Tray Lance never got to play football. But like other than like Kyle Shanahan having like Brann out of Yucan Dibo, Samuel, what's a better situation in the last five or ten years for a quarterback to walk into than having the Vikings. Okay, then what's, what is the worst team?

Is it Washington or is it New England? I want to know DK thinks about the worst team. I don't think it's Washington. I mean, New England's receiver core is horrific. Abominable. New England. Yes. Like, if they, if literally anyone, dude, have you, I know you guys mentioned this,

but like, Juju, they have Kendrick Bourne coming off a torn ACL. Tyquon Thornton is averaging like 15 yards per game in his career. They have, you like, might not even be on the team. Their best, The best player on offense is either DeMario, Douglas, or Hunter Henry. Well, I get Romandre. Remandre is, but he's, I don't know, he's running back. So love Ramon.

They could draft three receivers and just start all three receivers. They just got KJ Osborne. How dare you? Oh, you know, right. KJ. True? Shout out KJ. Resigned Jalely Rager.

We should probably at some point get a, like, a longer quarterback episode back on, like, the docs. So I have, like, a segment to talk about it, because the Drake may overthinking that's going on right now in discourse is hilarious to me. me. They were just like, man, like, look at this. Like, oh, this ball place, and he's a little bit off. Why he's a little bit late? You watch Jane and Daniel saw him. Like, there's just like receivers with five yards around him. He doesn't throw it to. Like, I have no idea what we're doing with with Drake Mae.

This is the exact sort of guy that everybody was like falling in love with like two or three years ago. And then we've all just decided all of a sudden we don't like him anymore. We don't enormous big pocket man who throws the ball all over the field of reckless abandoned. He's a god. Dude, we're already doing it with Herbert. People are certain to doubt Herbert. Craig over here doesn't even like Herbert anymore. Whoa, that's not true. That's not true.

Hey, by the way, to me, this is like a perfect example of how the draft process works. If I knew exactly right now where Drake May, if Drake May was going to go to the Patriots and J.G. McCarthy was going to go to Minnesota for sure. If I had like someone telling me that, Godell came up and told me this is what he's been told. I would probably just switch the two in my quarterback rankings because J.J. McCarthy's got to have a better career. If he goes to the Vikings, just because of the system. Whoever goes to the Vikings will have the best career. And then I also think that Caleb Williams and the Bears.

like Kayla will be good with Chicago and then whoever goes to Minnesota will be good. Like this is how the draft works. I actually, yeah, it's, and that's like kind of sad because then you get these really good, talented players landing on crappy teams. Yeah, we can do all opposite. Expand on that. You're totally right. Okay. Next up here.

Thank you guys for doing the show without me while I was proposing. Honestly, dude, I don't know if you guys even need me. I had a list of thoughts that I just thought were really funny that I wanted to follow up on, just a little bit. Okay. On the topic of the Olympic Village sex, yeah. I just wanted to know, so you guys are talking about

how boxers won't ejaculate before a fight. They load up on tea. Yeah, like three months. I just wanted, like Solek was like, so what happens? Does it go stale?

But it was, Craig said something about like, you got to like, keep the testosterone. And then D.K. was like, well, I feel like if you just like,

went for it, you were just like, replenish testosterone. I was like, yeah, I don't know the half life on testosterone. That old science question for listeners. I also think not coming.

This isn't how it works. This isn't how testosterone works. Oh, it's not even remotely how it works. I don't think the word you're looking for is testosterone. I don't know. They got the baby batter on the brain. Baby batter. God, baby batter.

That's like worse than saying ejaculation. That's a horrific phrase. Holy moly. That's like unholy. That's from something about Mary, by the way. But the closest thing that we have to the phenomenon of not ejaculating to build up your T so that you can perform better, is that whole thing where if you're bench pressing and like a woman sits on your lap, you will be able to bench more weight. Have you ever heard

about that or seen that? No. You've never seen those videos like a guy struggles and like a pretty girl sits on his lap and then he's like, I have never once been bench pressing and be like, man, if someone were sitting on me, this would get better. It's a thing. It's a real thing. Is that why NBA players give like all the tickets away to, you know? Yeah. Kingsbury, invite an IG model to You took the words out of, I literally, yeah, that's why I did it. You know, he just had a- Kingsbury, As Sean McVeigh for a ticket for his Instagram model girlfriend to attend the game in which the Cardinals were playing the Rams.

But like for a play, it was basically a playoff game for the Cardinals. It's like, if they won, they made the playoffs and he's like, yeah, Sean. Did they say that on fine, coach? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No one, like, talked about that after either. That's good. It's like wild. And also while we were doing this, you were having the conversation about all the first

two things wild happened. the Olympics village sex and all the literally the next day Washington Post had a story about how they're unusually prepared

for all the sex at the Olympic Games this year. 300,000 condoms 300,000? Being shipped to Paris. That's a bit. No one will ever need

300,000 condoms ever. That's a ludicrous. And then I believe it's like 100,000 lady condoms and 200,000 male condoms, I believe.

Wow. It's a lot of condoms and I'm not, the article is like really funny because it's, I guess in, in it's for the in French I guess the way they refer to sex as sport in the room.

Isn't it in French an orgasm, a le petite mort or whatever, like a little death? Oh, really? That's good. I could be very morbid. Let me read you a quick excerpt from this article here. It says it's impossible to know exactly how much sex goes on among athletes at the Olympics, but anecdotes from athletes suggest there's no shortage. There's a lot of sex going on, American soccer goalkeeper, Hope Solo told ESPN.

an American swimmer, Ryan Lockty said about 70 to 75% of Olympians were having sex. Three-fourths of the people. I'm not going to lie, I don't think Ryan Locker was a percentage. What was Ryan Lockett's sample? All right, I wonder how Lockhe was pulled. His sample was abundant, I believe. Have you seen him?

I mean, come on. I said Ryan Locti now. Swimmers. Three-fourths of the people in the Olympics? Also, the athletes love going earlier in the Olympics. Like, if the people who are there for like, events done on the second day. They just have 10 days to just be in the village and hook up with people.

Also, can you imagine what the Tinder is like or the hinge is like? They should make an Olympic sex app. It's just like when you show up the Olympics, you download this app. And then it's just like a little network of everybody in your area. Do you remember when Barbie was getting made and it was like there's a shortage of pink paint around the world? Like, I wonder if there's a condom shortage every time the Olympics come around. The best part was that while I look down at my film listening to this part, the Trojan ads were playing on our show. I love the Trojan ads

They're so good, dude Yeah, I also have to Guys, the Woody Herald said Matthew McConaugh A conversation was the most arranged I would listen to it I would just like to say how proud I am That that can happen on the show Even when I'm not here

Like, DK can get that angry and upset Even though he was right I have to say this is one of the more split decisions We've received from our listeners Like every other tweet is like Ben and Craig are morons Or I don't know what the fuck DK was thinking It is truly 50-50.

Really? I feel like two people emailed in that D-K was wrong and 100 people emailed in that you guys were wrong and then just I agree. The Twitter results were shocking, like from my point of view, shocking and horrifyingly even. Like a lot of people were on Team Craig and Team Ben. I haven't checked the email,

but I thought that Twitter was even. It was pretty split. There was a surprising amount of people who were like. And the Twitter clip didn't even have the Big Jim beginning, which the big gym beginning is really what sets the table for the confusion. I feel like the podcast. the Twitter clip was cut a little bit because I feel like

again this is... It had to be cut. The conversation was nine minutes. Hindsight is 20-20, but I feel like several times I was like very clear like Woody and Matt have the same dad. So did we like...

And you guys couldn't comprehend how that would be possible. So let's try this again. You're saying that big Jim, Matthew McCona's father who died while having sex with his mother. And then... Big Jim.

I guess was left erect without a sheet? Is that what we're saying? She kept taking the sheet off. Yes, refused to let the paramedics cover him. He's a soldier of Rome. She wanted him to go out saluting. Remind everyone why he's named Big Jim. So we're saying Big Jim may not have been

McConaughness father. Maybe it was Woody Harrelson's father who fathered McConaughey. Look, I can understand I understand why it was confusing because I said the McConaughey's mom said this to Woody and I think that threw you guys for a loop. In reality, she said it to both of them insinuating.

I don't want any more explanation as to this. I don't want to even try to get into this again. I just want to make sure you guys understand that when a woman has a baby, she knows it's hers. That's why we are so completely. We wanted you to understand that. We all know.

No, we're all for sure we got it. No, there's not much subjectivity there. Obviously, there's, you know, surrogates and all that. But generally speaking, a woman knows when she has a son. I listened to this and I literally was like, is this what we sound like all the time? Is it a weird thing on the outside looking in being like,

these guys are insane. I was like, the breaking bad clip of him screaming from the car. Hyphers just in the car. You guys don't get it. Somebody treated at me Hyphitz that somebody said, if you can't spot the high fits on the show, Daddy,

you're the high fits. I was like, fuck. Oh, that's good. I think it was Scott Barrett. Somebody tweeted like the only thing missing from this conversation is Hyfitt's mispronouncing the word furlough. Furlough.

Furluff. Wait, Hyphid, did you say whose side were you on? Dude, D.K. I was so on D.K. side. Oh, I don't know why it was hard about this. Split on the pods. I was trying to picture what it would have been like. Hyphitz, if you would have been on the show,

I feel like I would have gotten ganged up on, regardless of how you actually believed it. Hyvitz would have just joined the winning team and just decide with the more people. Yeah, 100%. Because when Ben, when Ben joined sides with Craig, like, you can see it on the video. I have like a come to Jesus moment where I was like, wait a minute. Do I actually not understand where babies come from? The one person who actually has a child is the most confused.

Wait. I was like, how does reproduction work? You're like, Skippy? Oh my God. Get in here. Where's Calvin? Is he real? If that is his real name?

Oh my God. That was like Alzheimer. I was like truly shook for probably like several hours after that. Because that's the thing. You knew it was bad because he was not mad. He was scared. Yeah. Did I just do the dumbest thing I've ever done on the show?

Truly like, because they're not going to let me take this out of the podcast if I just did the dumbest thing in the world. that's good anyway are they brothers or what do we feel like they're not they don't really look like we now need to know the truth they don't look like at all you imagine if Woody and McConaughey were had the same dad like Woody's like

what the fuck he found out on our show like man how come he looks like he looks they have kind of the same like laid back kind of like Southern charm vibe to them but they have the same they have the same energy

100%. Woody's a little bit more of a hippie, but yeah. I don't know. McConae is a huge hippie. Woody pakes me as like, I don't shower, I smoke weed at 8 a.m. and I walk around barefoot. That's exactly how McConae strikes me too. Oh, McConae to me is like, I'm at a bar at noon watching Texas football having a beer. And Woody's like, why are we playing football, man? Let's all go in a walk.

They're bonfavants in different ways. Yeah, that way. Different vibes. Woody would be like, remove the helmets. let him breathe. Dude, wait, it's like the, this is the end when they do pineapple two and Woody Harrelson's presence.

It's like, it's the people's way. It's the, just Jonah Hill playing Woody Heraldson. It's the papal's weight. It's the papal's weight. All right. I'll tell you about my proposal at the end of the show. It is the end of the show. Oh, yeah, right.

All right. I'll tell the story. Okay. So I missed the show because I live in D.C. And the cherry blossoms bloom this week. And when I first came to D.C., I came for two weeks. Honestly, that's a funny story.

I should tell it to the point. but I came for two weeks at one point. And the reason why I came is also, obviously a hilarious story I should tell. Came for two weeks. That was three years ago. And then it was like two months. You stopped saying you came for two weeks.

Just stop saying that expression four times. So you kind of didn't buy into the whole like, don't ejaculate thing. You busted for two weeks? My favorite joke ever from the office is when Phyllis is reading 50 shades of gray in the office. Oh, my God. And then she's like,

I didn't have an orgasm until I was 41. But when I did, it lasted till I was 44. Yeah. Oh, that was... Anyway. So, anyway,

yeah, back to my life. So the Spotify has this policy we can work remote and they instituted that while I was just crash here on people's couches in D.C. And the next day I took off work

and I go and it happens to be Peaked Cherry Blossom in D.C. And I ask the Flex if I, if she wants to like date for real. Like, should I just stay in D.C.? else live here.

We should just be together. So our anniversary is not like a date. It's just whenever the cherry blossom bloom, that's our anniversary. I thought that's super, super romantic. Hi Fitz, you're a big time romantic. What I did not account for was fucking global warming move this fucking blossoms up two weeks and three years. Holy shit, man.

It was like March 30th three years ago. Now it's like March 18th. It's like sole like I's birthday is the peak. The cherry blossom festival doesn't begin for three days. So anyway, that was. It was stressful, but then it happened. And I was just like, yeah. You pulled it off.

I had a photographer and everything. And I pulled, I just, I really enjoyed the ruse. And I asked, I pull out the phone. This is my advice I'll give for men if you haven't proposed yet. I pull up the phone, asked the photographer, will you take a photo? This is all planned. And I was like, will you take a photo of us? She's like, yeah, sure.

But I mean, I could just do it on my camera if you want. I'll send you the pictures. We're like, oh my God. Yeah, sure. Thanks. And then we go and we pose. And she's like, no, no, step. Chris Berman back, back, back, back, back.

and then Jackie's like, wow, she's really given a stage direction here. And then she's like, what's going? And then I was like, bang! And then you got on your knee and asked. I see. I love the secret photographer move is great. I somewhat employed the same thing.

Were there a lot of people walking around or were you kind of in a private area? So we crushed it because the morning we went because we pulled trigger and went immediately after we saw. There was so many people. We did crush the engagement. And there were so many people that we went.

it was like we beat the crowds, which was huge. And then the photographer's like new. You're already becoming a dad. It's great. We got here what we did. Look at the line. We beat the crowds. We're losing a lot of light.

You should probably get this engagement thing on the road here, a lot of traffic. Losing daylight. Did you ever see that Twitter thread of the woman who saw that whose dad would take them to Disney World after terrorist attacks? Because now's the best time to go. No lies. It's a wild story. Wild story.

This woman was like, real, like, she went back and looked at all the vacations they took to Disney World and was like, looking at the dates, and it was like,

this was fucked up. Wow. No lines. It's crazy. They would fly to a location to go, or was it just like if it was in their area? No, not that one.

No, they just were like, people stopped traveling. Oh. It was like, yeah, I don't know, dad figured it out. They would fly to the Disney World.

No, no. To terrorist attack. But anyway, the only thing I'll say for men who are eventually going to propose or whatever, The ring box always gives you away. So my big, I actually

not gonna like kind of free balled the ring. I put it in a clasp pocket and I didn't bring the box. Free balled. So I was like shaking this jacket. I was wearing to make sure it wouldn't fall out. It's way better to propose when it's cold out because you have a lot more pockets in room.

That's what I, it was a little chilly when I did. So I was wearing a puffer. So I could just have it in like my chest pocket. You couldn't even see it. So I'm curiously, Craig, do you like remember what you said when you get down on an E?

Because I feel like everyone's story is like, yeah, I got down at E. And then we both. blacked out. 10 minutes later, yeah, we were just walking somewhere. No,

it's been now, God, almost two and a half years since I proposed. I don't, I don't really remember. Everyone's still. I had something I planned to say,

and then I started to cry. And then I, by like, whimpered owl, please love me forever. Usually you get up, you're dumb. Oh,

yeah, that's fair. So I, I, with that in mind, I was like, you know what, I should probably practice this.

So I got in the bath, so I went to the bathroom and I, like, started practicing. And I was there for so long. Jack, is like, are you all right? This is like straight out of a movie.

Once again, becoming a dad. Now I'm going to toilet for too long. Yeah. This is 40. Boom. So anyway, yeah, there's my story. Congratulations. Huge congratulations.

That's awesome. And well done. She said, no, I have to return to it. More time for the pot. Pictures of her laughing her because she's laughing that. I would never. More time for the pot. She threw the ring in the river, laughed at you, and went home.

I didn't text the jeweler. I did text the jeweler because he was a nice guy. And I was like, she said, no, what's your return policy? He's like, that's not funny. First of all. Did you see that email we got, Hyvitz? Do you know what I'm talking about? About the ring?

Your ring? I don't know. We got an insane email. Let me see if I could just find it on the flyer. I definitely didn't see this. Somebody's emailing about Hypatis's ring? Yeah. Who's emailing about our ring?

It's a hysterical email because it's like, it's the worst possible vibes. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So funny. Riley. Congrats on the recent proposal. Hyphets. your Twitter post and noticed you said happy birthday was it because it was her birthday?

If so, I wanted to warn you that if things get messy between you crazy kids, that engagement ring can technically be considered a gift. It's usually a conditional gift, meaning you'd have legal rights to the ring unless you propose on a holiday or birthday. She may have legal recourse to that ring if it was her birthday. I'm a CPA, so we usually

find ways to make fun things less fun. As a part of it, you know. Anyway, happy way. I'm going to reply right now. I'm going to say, Riley, the self-awareness. for your help here. Say we'll be in touch. Ask him how the mud is around him

and what it's like to stick up in it. How does that feel generally? What's that like as an environment? I would say it was my birthday. God. Incredible. Amazing. That's wild. But also very funny, but also wild. All right, now we should get out of here. All right. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig. Thank you so like. Thank you guys for doing the show. But I'm just like, yeah, I'm not going to come. Thank you, Kai for producing this episode.

Thank you, Jack, for help on the scenes. Thank you to Jackie for saying, sure. You know what she actually said? Sure. She said, yep. Sure. Like the Bradley Cooper with episode? He's like, sure.

My astro? She's like, you want to say me Astro and Sonny for the rest of your life? Sure. Yeah, sure. You're like, will you marry me? She's like, uh, sure. Thank you, Lauren. Lauren.

Lauren. Uh, thank you. Village people. Sure. Heard of them. Sure. Why I'm saying? Sure.

Oh, YMCA? What else are they doing? What are they up to? They got a lot of songs. Very famous ones. Okay. I don't remember off the top of my head. I don't think they do then.

No, they do. My memory's not very good. Oh, I know that. No, I know your memory's not good because you were like, oh, are you proposing? And you're like, did you tell me you were going to do that? I was like, yeah, we talked. up at this for like hours. No, that's not what happened.

I knew that you were going to propose. I just didn't know the exact date. So when on a Sunday night, you were like, hey, I'm not going to be there tomorrow. I was like, oh, he's proposing. It's not like I was Sherlock Colm's saying, you know, there was a tiny amount of possible things that were happening. But, you know, so I said, I said I knew it when he told us.

And then Hyphitz was like, I told you. Well, not really. He told us. I was going to say Craig and Stoleck knew immediately what was happening. But I definitely told you first. I was very excited of you. You knew more about it. This was funny that you didn't remember.

Yeah, you know what? I'm old. I'm old in my memories failing. Craig, what are the other songs? I know there's other songs. Macho man? Oh yeah, macho, macho man. Go West.

Can't stop the music? I don't know anything except YMCA. Macho, macho man. You definitely know macho man. YMCA has like 10 times the streams as any other song. Classic. It's incredible how much staying power you can have with a song if you just kind of tell people like what to do. Do a dance.

Make your body in letters. It was the original TikTok. Yeah, it's like basically a children song, to be honest. It's like same with like the macarena. The instructions are in the song. The macarena was like objectively not a good song, but it has staying power. Yeah. I like the macarena.

The cha-cha slide. Yeah. She's got to tell white people how to dance. As someone who was a camp counselor for like six, seven years, I know every song that's instructions, man. Cupid shuffle, wobble. All right, I got them all. Like, anything that tells you what to do?

Yeah. Wobble is the ultimate, like, rapper instructing white people how to dance. What about teaching me how to doggie? I don't think we played that at the church camp. TBH. All right. Goodbye, everyone. Must be 21 plus and present in select states.

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