The Ringer NFL Show - The Players No One Is Talking About Before Your Draft

Episode Date: August 31, 2022

We highlight the most under-discussed fantasy players of the preseason—or as we call them, the Steven Glansbergs—and determine how we feel about them. (0:58) - Jimmy Garappolo staying in SF (8:50) - Tee Higgins, Bengals (12:48) - A.J. Brown, Eagles (19:47) - Amon Ra St. Brown, Lions (27:50) - David Montgomery, Bears (31:17) - Brandin Cooks, Texans (34:41) - Cordarrelle Patterson, Falcons (39:34) - Rashod Bateman, Ravens (43:29) - Jaylen Waddle, Dolphins (47:19) - Amari Cooper, Browns (50:37) - Emails Check out The Ringer’s Fantasy Football Rankings for tiers, sleepers, and more! Email us! [e-mail]. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Plus, maybe Bill will stop by to rant about the socks. Follow off the pike with me, Brian Barrett, now on Spotify. Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Hypertz, and I am joined by Danny Kelly and Kirk Horlbeck. And today we are going to be. through the players that nobody's talking about before you draft. The Stephen Glansburg episode. I'm going to have to sit

alone like I'm fucking Stephen Glansberg? I think probably 80% of people don't understand this reference, but that's fine. That's fine. Before that, though, we're going to talk about news. There's a lot of cut down day news people you don't care about, but the big thing, Jimmy Garoppolo is staying in San Francisco. This is kind of nuts.

Not awkward. Not awkward at all. This is a really weird story. So Jimmy is taking a restructure contract to be a backup. They love to clarify highest pay backup in the NFL. This is nuts. Jimmy Garapolo was so not going to play for the 49ers. He's been at the facility. He has not been practicing with the team, all of training camp. It's like sequestered away from everyone. The athletic wrote that since training camp's begun, Jimmy's thrown on a side field, but has not practiced or even sat in on

meetings with the rest of the team, has not even watched practice from the side. line or spent any time in the locker room he was on the roster but was not part of the team. I've also seen that he barely knows Brian Greasy, who's the quarterback's coach for the 49ers, and Peter King reported that Jimmy Garapolo, as of a week ago, did not have a playbook. It's like when you break up with your boyfriend or girlfriend, but you still have three months left on the lease, so you kind of just still got to live together. Yeah. Basically, and then it's like, and then you hear back from your friends, you're like, hey,

you know what? We signed another lease. And you're like, what are you doing? And so this is the thing where I want to be clear, because we've been talking. up Trey Lance for so much and for a long time. And one of the things we've been saying is it's a lock that Trey Lance is going to play because Jimmy wasn't on the team. Like he was on the team in name only.

And like, he didn't have a playbook. He wasn't at practice. So it's such a bizarre combo of like, they wanted to get rid of Jimmy. He had the shoulder surgery in March that kind of tanked his trade value. And the Niners were really stingy about everything. They weren't going to give him away for nothing.

I don't really know what happened here. The thing that's safe to say, no one wanted this. Jimmy didn't want this. The Niners didn't want this. Trey Lance, the players didn't envision this. This is now a weird situation in D.K. We have talked up Trey Lance a lot.

Does this concern you at all for Trey Lance who's been a huge sleeper of ours? I don't think it's like super concerning. I'm not going to drop him down to the ranks a bunch just because he still has the ceiling that you're looking for. What I think it does do is make his floor a little bit lower because I've said this many times in past. like, Trey Lance can be a bad passer

and he could still be good in fantasy because of his winning ability and everything. But if he's a bad passer consistently for like a month straight, he could get benched in theory now. And now, you know, they had Nate Sudfeld other than Jimmy Gropel. That would have been the backup.

So there would be no fear if Trey Lance twisted an ankle and had to miss a game and Nate Sudfeld came in. There's no fear that Sudfeld's going to take the job. Now, what happens if Trey Lance bangs his knee and Jimmy Gropel comes in wins a game, comes back in a fourth quarter, wins two games in a row. This guy's been to two

NSC championships for this team, two of the past three years. I'm less concerned that they're going to bench Trey Lance for Jimmy Garoppolo. I'm more concerned that if Jimmy comes in for whatever reason, the fans won't want him to come back out. The teammates like him too, apparently. Yes, locker room guy. I'm not out on Trey Lance. I think Trey Lance is still a good fantasy pick. And if you've already taken Trey Lans, like I still think he's going to be great and I still think he's probably, I kind of think he's going to come out hot. And I do think you're both right, though, that the leash is shorter because there was no leash before. He was, Tray Lance, the guy that they traded up these three first round picks for was never going to get bench for Nate Sutherfield.

Now, obviously, it's on the table for Jimmy G. So the odds are higher, but I wouldn't say they're high. Like, obviously they 49ers did not want Jimmy Gropolo to be here. And they're all kind of doing this begrudgingly. And they're like, all right, we'll just have this perfect backup quarterback scenario. I would still have him fantasy. if you have drafted him, I wouldn't worry. I certainly would be more open to a backup quarterback

if there are car is out there, but I wouldn't freak out about it. Honestly, if you draft coming out, I would still take Trey Lance, if anything, you might be able to get him for less because people might be scared. But it's obvious that if they literally didn't, if the guy didn't have a playbook

and wasn't even watching practice, he's not a part of their plans. And so I don't think it's as bad as it sounds. Yeah, but what does that mean? he's not a part of their plans. Is he's going to be a third string? No, he's obviously a backup quarterback, but like, no one, I put it this way. If someone, if another team has a bad injury during the season, yes. There's definitely a world he would still get traded. Like, there's definitely a world that he still, like the Niners acquired him at the trade deadline four years ago. That's

still possible. I think this is, yeah, I mean, I think the real story here is less that like, Lance is going to get benched. This is some big secret plan by the 49ers to like, you know, hedge and all that. think this is more just we weren't getting any like real interest enough to like actually move him right now so we're just going to resign him re-constructure his contract rather and then hold on to him in the hopes that and I know that like this is whatever like it's it's bad but like hopefully someone gets hurt and then we can trade him we have more leverage I think that's the right point D.K. I don't think that this is an indictment of their confidence in Tray Lance. It's very much like they see Jimmy Grapple as a top 32 quarterback in the NFL and they'll

like we're not cutting him. Like everyone basically lowballed them because no one was going to, the Panthers obviously wanted to quarterback the Falcons. Those teams weren't trading for Jimmy Gropolo and he had to get the surgery. And they're like, well, we can't trade for quarterback who can't throw a football because we're going to get fired. So we're not doing that. And then they keep, but the Niners are like, you want us to cut Jimmy Garapolo and then

him go sign with the Seattle Seahawks or division rival like and play him in three weeks. Like that's not happening. It's kind of like in fantasy. Maybe you have like, in real life, maybe you have a great backup quarterback. and you're like, screw it. I'm just taking them to the season and someone's going to need to trade with me. I'm not giving away an asset for nothing.

And I think it's the stubbornness more than anything. It's the Bill Simmons fantasy football strategy. Just draft five quarterbacks and eventually people are going to come knocking. Yeah. And then no one comes knocking and it kills your team chemistry. I mean, they could like in theory get, I don't know, I'm probably being a little bit hyperbolic here,

but like they could maybe get like a first round pick for him if some competing team gets like an injury at their quarterback and gets desperate. I think that's that one goes over. Second rounder probably. How about that? The second round is possible. So I think it's like it's less desperation and more just pragmatic on the part of John Lynch. Like he's just saying, look, we have a starter caliber quarterback on our roster.

We're not just going to give him to anybody. Exactly. Especially when the Seahawks, one of the teams who might. Right. Exactly. Yeah. Okay. So with that said, again, if you have Trey Lance, I think he's still going to be a fantastic asset this season.

And if you have a draft, if Trey Lans falls further in your drafts because of this, I think that's fantastic. I can get him even later. Okay, shall we? Let's get into the guys that nobody are talking about before your draft. And this is one of our favorite episodes every year because we talk about a lot of players before your drafts.

We talk about a lot of players in the show. And yet somehow, some way, there's just dudes that are, that we just don't end up talking about. That's for whatever reason, nothing interesting happens, and they're just kind of hiding in plain sight. There's sitting at the lunch table by themselves,

eating tapioca pudding. Craig, can we play the clip? Yeah. All right, let's stop this, man. Let's go get some dessert. No, I can't. I got to go meet my counselor. I'm picking out my classes for next year.

What? So I've got to sit here and eat dessert alone like I'm fucking Stephen Glansburg? I get. Yeah, I mean, what do you want me to do? And it's not like these guys are boring. You know, we did the all-boring team episode or the boring players that can win your fantasy league. These guys somehow live in this middle ground where they're good players, but there's no news around them. There really no question marks even around them.

they just are who they are and that's why there's no discussion. Right. All right. So with that said, DK, you want to kick us off here. Who's your first Steven Glansberg

player nobody is talking about for this draft? T. Higgins for the Bengals. I'm actually very shocked we're not talking about him more because based on his stats over the last year plus, he should have so much more hype

and basically be on a very similar level to like Jamar Chase because if you look at some of their stats over the last six, in the last 16, games together. Their stats are nearly identical in terms of targets and receptions. T. Higgins, 123 targets, 82 catches. Jamar Chase, 129 targets, 87 catches. If you narrow it down to their last eight games together, which is basically when the Bengals sort of let Joe Burrell off his leash and

like, you know, he was feeling more confident in his knee. They were passing a little bit more. Final eight games, which includes the playoffs. T. Higgins had 53. targets, 39 catches, 660 yards, and four scores. Chase's number is almost exactly the same. 37 catches, 620 yards, 6 scores. They're nearly identical. And Jamar Chase is a first-round pick, and T. Higgins is, you can get him like 30th overall.

He's a wide receiver 11. I don't necessarily think that that's wrong, but I just think we should be talking about T. Higgins more. He also, in the playoffs, put up huge numbers very similar to Chase. They both had over 300 yards. He went bonkers in the playoffs. Higgins had more touchdowns than Jemar Chase did in the playoffs. But, you know, obviously, Jamar Chase overshadows everything that happens in Cincinnati.

I've talked about it with why Joe Mixen doesn't get any love. And it's kind of the same thing with T. Higgins. Tyler Boyd is there as well, who's like another really competent slot wide receiver on the team. High Fitz, do you feel like T. Higgins is undervalued, overvalued, or properly valued? And that's exactly the point of this episode. I think that the reason we don't talk about him, Tom, is I think he's exactly properly valued. Like T. Higgins, we have him. Like, he is.

And that's why we don't talk about it, dummies. He's 20. We have him 26 overall. We have him, like, mid-20s. And it's like, he's clearly, in my mind, a tier below those, like, top eight receivers, right? Like, I would rather have, you know, Jamar Chase, you know, Cooper Cup, Justin Jefferson, Cady Lamb, DeVante Adams, Stefan Diggs. Like, I'll take all those guys over him. And then you kind of get outside, like, the top eight or so.

And, like, I think of T. Higgins as if I have to, like, take, like, I don't mind not taking Ty or not taking Debo because I can wait and get T. Higgins later. And I just kind of them as like the, I guess the low key elite is maybe the way I'd put it of like Debo and Tyreek are probably more famous, but I think T. Higgins might just maybe be better. But that's exactly how we have him ranked and a lot of people have him ranked. So like, I don't know. Like there's not much to say, which is kind of the point.

But you're right. Jamar Chase is just cooler in real life, but they're both really good. So he gets all the shine. I just like, like for my personal experience, if I have Jamar Chase on a team, I'm like, fuck yeah. Like, I'm gonna fucking dominate. But if I have T. Higgins, I'm like, oh, he's good. You know, like, this is a good pick, you know? But like they put up almost exactly the same stats,

like down the last eight games or whatever. And so it's like, I don't know, I just feel like we should be more excited. There should be a more visceral reaction to picking T. Higgins. I mean, to be clear, in week 15, or sorry, week 16, Tiggins had almost 200 yards. Right. Like, in your fantasy semifinal. I also think the thing about T. Higgins is that he is,

that he is the first number two guy to get drafted. Oh, that's a good point. Yeah. Everyone above him is the number one on their team. So that might be why he doesn't feel as exciting is because you think his ceiling is limited because he's not the best receiver on his team. That's definitely it. And you see him and you're in a crowd of like keen and out Michael Pittman seems sexier because

you're like, well, what's the ceiling on a guy who could just, you know, Michael Pittman with the Colts? It's like, oh, well, you could get all the targets. But, yeah, T. Higgins, yeah. It's weird to take a number two receiver with your third pick. but he's really good. Poor guys just sitting there alone, eating pudding.

Isn't it just more that they're 1A and 1B rather than 1 and 2? But no, because then the argument is that Jamar Chase, why should he be a first rounder? But no, I think Jamar Chase should be a first round. It's tough, it's tough. If it's 1A, 1B, then we're saying Chase is overdrafted.

But there's another receiver right in this range that we also haven't talked about a ton which is A.J. Brown for the Eagles, which is also weird because he's not a number two. He's on a new team, and yet we haven't talked about him a ton. No, he's kind of like looking into A. Brian, he's kind of like a Dion Waiters.

If you guys, if anybody listens to the rewatchables, the Dion Waders Award is the guy who does the most with the least in a movie, that who comes in for three minutes and just absolutely kills it, which is like Dion Waders, who the second he gets in the game, he just puts up five threes. AJ Brown basically can't stay on the field, but whenever he is on the field, he's incredible. I mean, last year, he was banged up the entire year. He was still fourth in yards per route run, which is a very indicative stat for a wide receiver's talent. He's never had more than 70 catches in a season, and yet he scores a TD in almost

two-thirds of the games he plays. But the problem with AJ Brown is that he's always in the wrong offense. It feels like he's always on the wrong team. If he would have been on the Packers this year, he'd be getting drafted potentially in the first round, but he's on the Eagles now, which is not dissimilar to the spot he was in Tennessee. He's going to be on a team that should be run-balanced with a QB that loves to run, maybe not the best thrower in the league, And he's competing with Dallas Goddard in Devante Smith. Last year, Hurts threw for 16 touchdowns in the whole season. He threw for 16 touchdowns in 15 games.

Devonte Smith had 900 yards, Goddard, 800 yards. I even did this when he was on Tennessee. I've never been interested in AJ Brown, and I don't know why. I don't like guys with who need to be hyper-efficient, basically. Right. I guess I don't see the upside as much as I do for guys even like T. Higgins. I think the upside is that the Eagles are going to pass way more than people think, because, look, Jalen Hertz is limited as a passer.

Like, that's just a fact. But having said that, I also think that it was bad when you have a limited passer with limited options, and it was Devante Smith Godder and just like, I mean, basically the entire receiving, I mean, J.J.R. Seagull-White side was there, like J. Reg, or like, these guys aren't good. One problem happy, they're not good. And adding A.J. Brown was an indication

that they want to be able to play this kind of passing offense, and now that they will. And so I think that I actually like A.J. Brown a lot in this range. And I think it's probably a, a mistake we've made, not talking about him more. I disagree. I think that this year it's bizarre that he's one of these Glansbergs because this is one of the best players in football period.

And we're almost underrating how much impact he could do in a new situation. Like we've talked about how Stefan Diggs and Buffalo was incredible. DeAndre Hopkins in Arizona was incredible. AJ Brown's and Eagles. And I get that Jill Hertz is not Kyler Murray, like he's not as good. But man, I kind of think, again, if AJ Brown is falling to you with your third pick, that's awesome. Like if you get two running backs

in your first two picks and like A.J. Brown is your highest upside guy. I love that. And in a way, I kind of even love it more than getting T. Higgins, at least because I think T. Higgins,

I don't know if he has quite AJ Brown's upside. And AJ Brown is a lower floor. But I kind of like that mix of ranges because he's so freaking good. I mean, you guys pretty much covered everything I was going to say.

It's the situation more than the player that you're kind of worried about. Because he's like, you know, indubitably of very elite receiver at this point. Like he, every time he,

indubitably. I was going to say, I was trying to find the word undeniably, but I went with indubitably instead. Yeah, I don't know. Like I don't have a ton to add here.

I think he, again, this is like a T. Higgins thing. He's like properly ranked because we're baking in the idea that this could be a run heavy offense. Maybe. I do kind of tend to lean that they're going to pass more this year than they did

last year by a pretty good clip. But yeah, it needs to be a decent clip. Yeah, that's, yeah. They attempted a league low 494 throws last year. Well, their season was split in two because they tried to remember the first six weeks or so,

I forget the exact number, but like, their fans were booing them because they were passing so much, but the offense was broken. And they didn't have the personnel to do what they were trying to do. And Hertz is not that great. But then they flipped and they actually became insanely run heavy after week six or seven or so. Like literally in week six or seven, I forget, they called a, I forget the exact situation, but they called a run on like,

first and 10, and their fans gave them an ovation because they were so freaking mad. And then it flipped and they became the running heaviest team. And it was so like their season long numbers are deceptive because they were insane splits. But the way the Eagles want to play is like that first month and a half of the season. And that's why Jalen Hertz is ranked so high because Jalen Hertz was much better in that world as a scrambler. And I just think that when they're throwing at that rate, but they have A.G. Brown, the offense is probably going to work. Their offense looked very sharp in the limited amount of action we saw.

in the preseason. I know that doesn't really mean a lot, but... But it confirms our prior... It does feel like, to me... You know, if you're always... You're looking for... In fantasy, you're looking for the offense, that's going to be way better than it was last year.

Because that's where you find the most value. The Bengals being... The Bengals are the biggest example of this. Last year, you could have gotten Jamar Chase in the 60s. You could have gotten Joe Burrow, like, outside the top 100. Teagans outside the top 100. You stack that offense that gets better.

That's like a league winning couple picks right there. And so... Yeah. I mean, I don't... I'm not saying that AJ Brown is a league winner necessarily, but like if this offense changes enough to the point where they're, you know, passing at a much higher rate,

scoring way more passing touchdowns. Jalen Hertz takes another jump as a passer. By the way, he's like improved every season in his entire career going back to college. Like he's just gotten better and better every year. So maybe there's still enough room there for him to improve. And they have a really good offensive line, which should give him more time to like sit back there and read the defense,

all that stuff. There's a world in which, the Eagles are this year's Bengals, you know what I mean? So, like, I think that's what, yeah, that's like the bull, that's the bull case for him. I just think usually these offenses that take off are offenses with guys who become really elite passers in the league like Justin Herbert last year and Joe Burrow last year. My fear is that if the Eagles are better, it's not because Hertz suddenly became an amazing passer.

It's just that the offense, it was kind of like, you know, a rising tide raises all ships. I don't know if I see this offense becoming this, this pass heavy hyper volume situation where A.J. Brown's getting 10 targets a game. I think that's fair point on the quarterback thing, but I also kind of do think A.J. Brown could get 10 targets a game. And I just, I think if the Eagles are like the, I see what you're saying, where on the surface calling the Eagles like the Bengals this year,

is a little sounds nuts because Jalen Hertz is not Joe Burr. Having said that, I do think of all the offenses that like could make a leap that you can stack and you get Hertz, A.J. Brown, Devante Smith. Like, it's not that hard to get all three of those guys. And then if the Eagles are better, I do think the Eagles are that team this year. It's just not always going to look the same. But it's also worth saying, like, if we had this conversation last year, if you said the Bengals would have made the super last year, you would have sounded nuts. And like, it's the thing.

It has to sound a little off-kilter. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a value. Okay. I have another receiver while we're on this receiver theme that we just is a Glansberg. It's a Monras, St. Brown for the Lions. I mean, we just, I mean, it's unbelievable. Amon Ross St. Brown was probably the single best waiver pickup last year. I mean, Amon Ra of St. Brown, the second half of the season, basically the only players that were better, the receivers that were better than Amon of St. Brown at the stretch run last year was literally Cooper Cup and Justin Jefferson.

Like the five, that's mind boggling. I love that. The final month of the season, Amon Rist St. Brown, was actually better than Justin Jefferson. The top two receivers, the final month of the season was Cooper Cup and Amon. Monra St. Brown. And so basically, the book on Amman Ra, and now we have Cooper Cup and Justin Jefferson are top two receivers. Like, we have them as top five picks. And Amonra St. Brown, I mean, we have him, you know, all the way at 55th. Yeah. And the book, and plenty of places have him lower. And the book on Amara St. Brown is very simple. Well, he got all those targets because

T.J. Hawkinson got hurt. And, um, now, I'm forgetting. D'J Swift was out for a little while. DeJ Swift got hurt. And all the other players on the lines who catch passes were there. So that's why Amonra's so good. So he won't be as good this year.

And my answer to that's like, no shit he won't be as good this year. He was just in Jefferson. He was better than Justin Jefferson last year for the final six weeks. Of course he won't be that good. The fact that those guys were hurt is obviously baked into the price.

That's kind of where I'm at. And I'm like, I kind of do wonder if I'm taking crazy pills here. It's like, yeah. Obviously, he won't be the second best receiver over the next month. But man, at some point, shouldn't we just look this and be like, Jared Goff clearly loves this guy. Like, what are we doing here? I mean, I've got to rank 39th.

So you are preaching to the choir here. I've got to rank highest of all of us. I'm just like super bullish on him. I think you can't do what he did in the second half last year and not be like a really good player. That's just kind of how I'm looking at it. And I think that the Lions, it is also a rising tides raises all ships type of deal. obviously, yes, he benefited from the situation last year where he was the main guy in this offense, and that was a big reason why he was the wide receiver three over that like seven

week stretch. However, I think this offense has a chance like overall to get more, to get better, run more plays, score more points. It has a really good offensive line. You're taking some of the pressure off of Amon Ross St. Brown to like be everything in this offense. But I still think you have that connection with Goff. That's not going anywhere. Where he likes, where he wins, like in, in terms of the short intermediate area, yards after the catch, making plays with his feet, that's still going to be there. I think they're still going to lean heavily on that. And by the way, I just don't really think T.J. Hawkinson is the guy we all wanted him to be

when he was like a top 10 pick or whatever. Like, I don't think he's going to necessarily eat into Alman Ra's target rate a dramatic amount next year. So, I don't know, for all those reasons, I'm still like very high on him. I do think he is, I think he's underrated in the sense he's ranked too low on most ADP lists. I think we're above, we're above consensus on him. But I think we could even be a little bit higher on him and I'd still feel fine about it. Like I'm very bullish on him. Craig, here's my question for you.

How has this happened? Because Amman Russell and Brown, the name means sun god. Like that's his name. I would argue maybe the coolest name in all of football has actually produced in fantasy. already is on the hard knocks team how is this guy a Glansberg why is he underrated and why have we not talked about like this everything that

makes someone talked about he has one I don't know if his name his name is kind of hard to pronounce which hurts his his name stock in my opinion if he was more commonly known as the sun god I think that would be a huge boon for him he should really lean into being the sun god that'd be sweet Armandwa was the chief of the Egyptian gods Yeah, like that's cool as hell.

He should, you know, make that a part of his image. But I think the thing with Amon Ra is that there's literally like nothing else on the Lions that's that interesting. I guess other than D'Andre Swift, and maybe D'Andre Swift is stealing a little bit of Amon Ra's thunder. But this is a slot receiver on a Jared Gough-led offense who is now getting more players back healthy. He only had five touchdowns last year. I think people kind of see him as a Hunter Renfro. and he's going around guys like Gabriel Davis and Drake London and Rashad Bateman,

these are guys who are either number ones in offenses or number two's in really high-octane, high-efficient offenses. So I think maybe the ceiling of Amonara St. Brown feels like it was reached last year and that you're just hoping he can replicate it this year. Yeah, so we have Amonra 55th. He's basically in the same range as like Amari Cooper, Gabe Davis. I mean, I think that Amari Cooper is the kind of receiver.

Like, I would rather have Amonra than a Mori Cooper, but I'd rather have Gabe Dave than Amonra St. Brown. And I think it's just, that's kind of how the upside thing works. Like, I see what you're saying, Gabe Dave in the Buffalo offense, but I'd rather have Amon Ra than some of these other guys

with like, kind of with seemingly low ceiling situation. Yeah, he's just like a high floor guy. Well, but he also, he's not just a high floor guy if he was number two last year for like seven weeks. And that's kind of what I get. At some point, like reality happened. I guess that's where I'm at. And I just don't know how to like fight that.

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that expires after 30 days. I think that was my best ad read ever because D.K. pulled up his brand new puppy while I was reading that, and I did even flinch. the dog go. Oh, he's laying right by my desk. Bring me the dog.

I want to see it. You know who's not a Glansburg? George. Oh, man. Look at George. George is getting love. Sometimes I'm a little bit. He doesn't like being picked up that much.

I picked him up the other day and he peed on me. Which apparently, I was told this is a sign of submission, which is good. It feels like it. That makes sense. Giving himself up to you. I'm a little nervous to pick him up sometimes.

but he's a great dog. He's already like 25 pounds. He's like a four-month-old puppy. He's going to be a big dog. That dog is how old? He's like four and a half months probably now. Who weighs more, George or Calvin? Ooh, it's very close.

George and Calvin are feeling each other out still, by the way. Calvin, George thinks he's the alpha in the group, which is a problem because you don't want the dog to... I thought he just peed on you. Well, he's the alpha to Calvin. I'm done. the alpha with George, Calvin is three years old, and so they're still filling each other out. There's a hierarchy to this high fits. Yeah. George doesn't want to be on the lowest rung.

He wants Calvin. I actually never thought about this, alphas and betas, but there's like a, what's the C? Like the Charlie? Like, the beta is the alpha among the charlies? Is that how that works? I have no idea. I don't know. I don't know the Alba there or whatever. But so Calvin is, we're trying to teach him to insert his like, to be stern and to tell. George no and things like that. But George, you know, he tries to tackle Calvin sometimes. So we're just working it out. Okay, DK., give us another guy that nobody's talking about this season.

So I'm going to give you two guys and basically one full team, and that's the Bears. And the two players on the Bears that I think are the most interesting in fantasy are David Montgomery and Darnow Muni. You can argue Justin Fields is in this group as well. But basically, we just haven't talked about the Bears a lot because there have been, number one, a lot of bad vibes around the Bears. They didn't do much in the draft. they've basically been sort of just cutting back on everything and trying to get their cap where it needs to be for long-term build.

And they're, you know, they just basically are punting on this season, it feels like. And that being said, though, like, I think there are some fantasy values in here. I think David Montgomery is the first one that stands out. The way that they utilized him in this last preseason game really, I think, could allude to how they have, like what they have in mind for him this season. you guys can see George now in the background sniffing around trying to get into some of my stuff hopefully he doesn't chew on anything he's a bit of a chewer

anyway okay so Monty on over the weekend he played 20 of 22 first team snaps which is a big tell obviously that he is going to have the type of volume that he had last year that's a big that's the big worry with us I think going into the season it's like a new coaching staff maybe they don't see David Montgomery

as the centerpiece for their offense they're going to get Khalil Herbert involved, but I think this last game really showed us how they want him to be used. If you go back to last year, his usage was elite. Like top five in terms of running back business is exactly what you want to look for in running backs. He had, he was third in snap rate among all running backs. Only Najee and Camara played a higher rate of snaps than he did last year.

He was fourth in touch rate. So the percentage of your team touches behind only Camara, Derek Henry, and Jonathan Taylor. So his usage in terms of like how they utilized him in the offense, the amount of volume they gave him relative to the total volume of the offense, elite. And so I think this last preseason game kind of gives us some clues as to how they see him this year. And it has made me back off of Khalil Herbert a lot and kind of much more bullish on David Montgomery going forward.

This is why he was on the all boring team. Yeah. I think these are the things why people like hate fantasy football. Like this is what they'd point to is like, hey, what do you think the snapshot running back's going to be on these dumpster fire Chicago Bears? How much do you think the new coaching staff is going to trust David Montgomery? You think he's going to get like the third down work? And it's like this is where we just become not relatable as people.

Right. Here's a little bit more relatable, I think. I think, Kai Fitz. I thought he looked really good too. Like he was explosive. Like his final stat line wasn't anything great, but he had a couple big plays called back by penalty. I just thought he looked really good. And it's like a reminder that he is clearly, to me, the best running back on this team.

And there's a reason that they're going to give him a lot of volume. It's not just because he is there or whatever. I think he's an actually good player. And I've been kind of a David Montgomery defender in the past. Also, this is one of those examples in fantasy football where it's like, don't overthink it. You know, it's boring. No one's going to ooh and odd to pick. But most of the time, the guy who started last year at running back and got a lot of carries,

he's probably going to start at running back this year and get a lot of carries. I think he's a great RB2. You don't want to go into the season. with him as your best running back. But RV2, I feel really good about it. No, like, everyone's freaking out about Damien Pierce and everybody's, you know, Brandon Cooks is now like, kind of like the sexy Glansberg that everyone likes to talk about now.

It's like, oh, Brandon Cooks every year, 1,000 yards. Like, the bears are kind of just the same thing. I mean, David Montgomery and Darnow Mooney, they're just unsexy versions of Damien Pierce and Brandon Cooks. Two things. We've been hyping up Damien Pierce. And then two, only me. I'm the only one who talks about Brandon Cook.

So I feel like you're just kind of taking it. No, Bill was just talking about. about Brandon Cooks. Like every year Brandon Cook, everyone knows now it's no secret that Brandon Cooks is like this secret thousand yard receiver every year. So anyway, I want to go to my next guy, which is Brandon Cooks. Wow, well, I just

have a bunch of stats that Craig just made fun of. So I'm just gonna, I don't know. Just power through it. I'll just go with, I fundamentally disagree. Yeah. I don't know what bubble you're in, but no one cares. When Raina Cooks is the epitimate no one talks about him. My media, fantasy football, liberal bubble knows

that Brandon Cook is good. If you get out in the real world and go to more diners and stuff, everyone's just talking about Brandon Cooks. The teams that Brandon Cooks has put up a thousand yards for don't even care that he's Brandon Cooks. They just trade him immediately.

I'm just going to say this one again. I don't give a shit what Craig just said. I don't care. Three players have hit a thousand yards six the last seven seasons. And it's Mike Evans, Travis Kelsey and Brandon Cooks. It's a great stat.

And that's just stunning. And again, he's been a top 16 fantasy receiver 16 of the last, Sorry, six of the last seven years. Top 16. Like, no one cares. We never talk about him. I still never even, like, I legitimately never even think about drafting him.

Let me be clear, I still don't want him on my team. I know he's going to get a thousand yards. You know what it was? Here's the reason why. It all boils down to one moment. It's when he got a concussion in the Super Bowl. And I was like, ooh. You know what?

You're 100% right. Everyone's like, ooh, that's like too many for him. And then he's just been good ever since then. Hasn't been an issue. I just, I mean, he is the Glensburg. Oh, and there's no, and it's what's funny is like the conversation's already over. There's no analysis. Yeah, I know.

Well, you're treating this like at some indie band. You're like, they got mainstream a long time ago. I'm like, no, no, they're not. Whatever. I still think a lot of the fantasy insider people are fully aware of Brandon Cooks. When did this, I don't know what the fuck. But we're a podcast for the people, you know? Yeah, people don't give a shit about Brandon Cooks.

Dude, Davis Mills is throwing him passes. Brandon Cooks, if he, like, if Brandon Cooks is like your fourth receiver, you are so golden. It's unbelievable. He could be your third receiver. Like, even if you, you know what's nice about it? Even if you get Brandon Cooks on your team and he's the, you win your league, you still won't even think about brand and cooks is the reason you won your league. You'll have like eight other players that you'll think about before. What is the signature thing that Brandon Cooks does?

Like, can you think of any? It's traded from teams before they win the Super Bowl. Yeah. And he has a massive helmet. Yeah, he does. He's a bigger than normal helmet. Okay. The Rams, he was on the Patriots and they lost the Super Bowl.

They traded him the Rams and then the Rams lost to the Patriots in the Super Bowl. And then the Rams traded away and then the Rams won the Super Bowl. Yeah, I've said this before. I don't remember his tenure with the Rams. Like, that didn't happen in my mind. You were having a child at the time. There was a lot going on for you. I went to that.

I went to that Super Bowl. If he was indeed on that team as you get to play. You went to the Super Bowl. I try to dig you out of that one, but no. Okay, who else is at Glensburg? How about this? Cordero Patterson of the Falcons. It doesn't feel like we're talking about him very much at all,

despite the fact that he was the RB8 and half PPR last year. The RB8. People will refuse to believe that Corderole Patterson is a good running back in the NFL. They won't do it. They won't accept it, no matter what. I mean, even I'm kind of like that. I don't know if he was a kick returner for his 20s. So like, it's not that crazy.

This is my take on Cordero-Patterson. He's not a very good running back, but he is technically a running back, and he's elite at catching the football. Like, he's a really good past catching running back. Let me put it that way. I mean, I acknowledge he's explosive and elusive on the ground, but I think his value, especially in half-p-r and PBR is his ability to catch football. I saw these stats from draft sharks.

He lined up outside 21% of the time and 17% of the time in the slot. So nearly 40% of the time he was lined up kind of off the line of script. image, or sorry, not in the backfield. He ranked fifth among running backs and targets, sixth and catches, second and receiving yards, third in receiving touchdowns. Like, these are what, this is exactly what you want from a running back in PPR and half people are. You want to guys can catch a bunch of passes.

This is like the, you know, off-brand Dianja Swift, as we've called Travis E.TN many times, this is like almost the same type of thing. The Falcons are going to be bad. They're going to be playing from behind a lot. And so, I don't know. I just think it's just kind of bizarre how he, we not only do we not talk about him, but we drop him down the ranks like a ton. We talk about him.

We don't know, because no one knows what to say about him because this is such a weird situation. I mean, he based, I said that for him, I wasn't kidding. Corderole Patterson had almost as many carries last season when he was 30 as he did in his entire 20s. Like that's not, he had like from 22 years old till 29 through 29. He had 167 carries. He had almost 160 carries last year.

Like, there's no comp for this. This is not really happened. He's an outlier. And so we're a little confused. Certainly, he's an outlier. The cognitive dissonance with Cordell Patterson is extremely strong. Hyvin's breezed over his age. He was 30.

This is a guy on his fifth team at 30 years old. Special teams guy. Was then switched to running back. And it fucking worked. And he was a top 10 player in fantasy at the, Which, by the way, with the core reason that I was like in on the Mike Davis thing, I was like, they don't have anyone else. And it was like, well, the 30-year-old kick returner did in fact take the job from shitty Mike Davis.

But I think Patterson this year, you're right, D.K., I think it's what's weird is the Falcons, on the NFL show, we did a pod, we did like the most watchable teams, the least watchable teams. And I kind of just instinctively was like, man, the Falcons are going to suck. They're probably not watchable. I thought about it. Dude, the Falcons, the interchangeability on their offense, like Kyle Pitz, Drake, London, and then Corderle-O Patterson, you could just- It's just all wide receivers.

You just named three wide receivers. Like, Kyle Pitt, can Kyle Pits play running back? I don't know. Like, all these dudes could just line up anywhere. And so the thing about Cordoba-Battison is even if he's not some traditional, like, he just can always be on the field, which is kind of what we always talk about, right? Like, we want guys to be on the field. Well, like, I understand, like, the downside and some of the arguments against him.

He's a 30-year-old kick returner. Right. but they still don't really have anyone other than, you know, obviously the receiving options that you mentioned, London and Pitts. Like they don't, I'm not very confident Damien Williams, Tyler Algier. You know, I just don't know.

So you're not fair. Tyler O'Jer is the rookie they drafted, so you don't think he's going to end up taking much of that starting job. Well, I mean, I think he could be involved, but like he was basically running with, you know, the third and fourth team for most of the preseason. And he did get some reps with the ones,

I think in the preseason week three. But like, that to me is a pretty big jump. going from, you know, being a fourth-round rookie and being mostly a backup during the preseason to, like, stealing a bunch of volume from Cordero Patterson, who they brought back on a, you know, not massive deal, but like relatively good deal for a running back at his age. I think he's one of the most difficult players to draft in fantasy football mentally. It's hard to rank. Like, what do we do with this guy?

You know? I think that Patterson, realistically, is probably right there with, like, a notch below Chase Edmonds and Devin Singletary of like if you come want to take like a great running back first and you come back around and you wait like eight rounds and you just get stacked a quarterback and tight add and receiver and you come back ground and like quarter of Paterson's running back too and then you kind of just try to like piecemeal it but like that's your starting point that's like solid but it's kind of I think that that's why we have a talk it's just it's like what do you I don't know you're like am I running back again 31 year old kick returner it's just it just it just feels wrong maybe that's a value but it's like one of those If it goes wrong, you'll feel stupid. And that's the problem. Craig, do you have another Stephen Glansberg? Yeah, Rashad Bateman on The Ravens. I feel like we haven't spoken about really once this entire opposite.

I mean, he's the number one receiver on Lamar Jackson's team. Marquise Brown is gone. Marquise Brown was a fringe top 20 wide receiver last year. And they do obviously have Mark Andrews. He's one of the best tight ends in the league who kind of usurped Travis Kelsey last year. But, man, I mean, Rashad Bateman had a really good. good rookie season. He missed the first five games with a groin strain,

so he, like, didn't really play a lot. He had like a hernia thing. Yeah, like training camp, and he missed the first five games the season, but he came back and was basically on pace for like 750 yards as a rookie, and the Ravens are definitely looking like they're going to kind of switch back

to a more run-heavy system last year. Their worst offensive year, they had a lot of injuries, and it kind of forced them to pass more than I think they wanted to. But, man, even if they don't throw as much, looking at the other past catches on this team. D.K., how many receivers can you name on the Ravens? Devin Duverne. Correct.

Proche. James Proche, and those are like, I guess Tyler Wallace is probably still on there. I have no idea who's going to play, though, I guess, to your point. I mean, they've been talking about having their starting group be like two tight end sets with Mark Andrews and Isaiah likely. Their ride receivers are Rashid Bateman, Devin Duvonne, James, is it Proch or Proch? I thought it was. Proche.

I probably was pronounced it. Benjamin Victor. They have DeMarcus Robinson from the Chiefs. Yeah, he's new and he just actually looked really good. So he might be in there. Thailand Wallace. But this guy that they just signed like three days ago. There's not a lot there.

It's like even if they don't throw that much, I mean, Rashad Bateman has like no target competition. And D.K., speak a bit about like how you feel about Rashad Bateman as a player. I mean, I really like him. I think he has like a good combination of route running, size, hands, and versatility to play outside and inside. Like there's a reason he was a first round pick, very, very productive in college. And I think people kind of think of him as just like a replacement for Marquis Brown, but they're not very similar in their presence.

Can I give you a take? I'll answer all your questions right now. You're like, why is Rashad Babe? I'm not being talked to. I'll tell you. Because we're just obsessed with all the freaking preseason hype. But I went to Ravens Camp and I'm not, you're not allowed to take videos of like, the team portion. Not allowed to take the videos.

And Rashad Bateman's out here, like, making good plays. I'm like, wow, it looks great. But like, if I had just taken, if I had been able, like, take my phone and post the cool stuff Rashad Bateman was doing, everyone would have quote tweeted it and been like, oh my God, look at Rashad Bateman. But you're just not allowed to do that in Baltimore. Also, like, J.K. Dobbins is not healthy to start the season. Gus Edwards is, is he on pup already? Is he going to miss the first four games? Yeah, he's supposed to miss the first, he will miss the first four games.

It's like, they got Mike Davis and a banged up, J.K. Dobbins, I don't know. It's like Drake, apparently. Mike Davis. It's the real headline here. No, I agree. Rashad Bateman's really freaking good. I do think Rashad Bateman's going to be incredible. I think that Rashad Bateman's falling in drafts.

Like, wherever he's ranked, he falls. Because people don't really know who he is, which makes sense. He's a rookie for the Ravens who don't really pass very much. Like, it's not like Marquis Brown. His name is Hollywood. It wasn't that famous. I think next year he could be somewhat similar to, like,

how we view Michael Pittman this year. Yeah, well, Mark Andrews is the real number one in the team, but regardless, I think Rashad Bateman just doesn't have a very high Q score. And people have, but like he's really good. And he's probably the better kind of, like, stylistically a better good with Lamar Jackson than Marquise Brown was. And they kind of just forced, tried to see if Lamar could be this deep passer. And he couldn't. And now they're going to try to do more, or at least they couldn't scheme him up to be. And so now I think that Rashad's going to be really good, especially in PPR leagues.

Agreed. I want to throw out one more. a guy that I have not known what to do with L. Jalen Waddle. Dude, we have not said his name once. I don't think we have. It's also, this is a, this is very topical too. Ivitz, sorry to interrupt, but he hasn't practiced in like weeks.

Something's going on here. So the whole thing with Jailen Waddle, he's the receiver for the dolphins. It's very strange because I think that going into this season like, I mean, eight months ago, he was going to be really popular. I think he finished as like a top 12 receiver by PPR. And then they trade for Tyree Kill. and you're like, wow, well, Jalen Waddle coming to the draft was compared to like basically a worst version of Tyreek Hill.

So like, what's going to happen here? And so on one hand, what is this offense with Tua and then Tyreek is getting paid $29 million a year? And now Jalen Waddle is the number two? But like, is it maybe we're underrating it and like maybe this world with Jailen Waddle actually performs Tyreek or is it the other way where it's like, isn't this Dolphins team going to be like a run first offense? And now you're kind of getting like, what, is Jailen Waddle going to be like a glorified brand and Iyuk that you're taking? with like the 40th pick.

I personally keep going back forth and then you react, you add in the thing, he's not in practicing. And it's like, it's kind of, he's so talented and he's so good. And I keep waffling back and forth

between this guy should be making elite versus, was he basically a top 12 receiver because he just got peppered with targets because they had no receivers in Miami last year. They were running this like, not really NFL level offense, RPO stuff. And they just kept peppering with targets

that he wasn't, it was just like this reception fueled year. If you strip away the names and the style and the in the games, Jalen Waddle was basically Hunter Wren for it last year. It was like fifth in catches and, like, eighth and catches and 25th and yards. And I'm like, I don't know, if PPR were anything, he had like a thousand yards in 17 games. I have no idea to do Jailen Waddle this year. I don't know if you guys have any thoughts. He's a confounding player to me entering this season. I think you could say the same thing for just Miami in general. I mean, I think they're the only team in the league with a new head coach,

a new wide receiver one and a new running back one. There's just added they got Cedric Wilson as well. They just kind of have a brand new team with a brand new scheme and we don't really know how this offense is going to shake out. We could end up being the most wrong about Dolphins players, I think more than any other players on any other team. I'm kind of excited about this offense a little bit. I find myself starting to buy in a bit just because I think

the way that they're going to set Waddle up, both Waddle and Tyreek up for yards. the catch is so exciting. George is whiting, sorry. I just think that there's a chance that this could look like a similar, like a version of what the 49ers do where you have

the offense focused on two or three guys and that's enough for fantasy. Although I do, like the IUC comment is interesting. IUC has been like a top 15, top 10 guy through small stretches but like it just hasn't. Right, it just hasn't

happened throughout a whole year. which is why I think that we're a little bit reticent to really buy in on this. But I do think that the way that they focus their passing game through like Waddle and Tyreek could really be enough to make them like not just fantasy relevant, but like really good in fantasy. Here's the core problem.

If you're drafting, if you listen to this now and you have a draft coming up and you're like, what do I do about Jalen Waddle get to the point? He's a speed guy. He's freaking incredibly fast. And he has been, as Dika said, out three weeks from practice with a soft tissue. lower body injury.

You want to draft a speed guy that has been out for three weeks of a soft tissue injury? Like, no, I don't. Yeah, it's tough. It's really tough. Yeah, I found myself avoiding Waddle in most drafts.

I don't have him on any teams. No. There's a reason we haven't talked about him. I don't know what to say. It's just, yeah, I just don't want to speak guy. I just got injured. Right. All right.

Craig. Yeah, one more guy. I feel like Amari Cooper, we have not spoken about once this whole year. Yeah. You know, he had a down there. the worst year of his career last year. He had only 865 yards, but he was banged up the whole year, kind of had hamstring injuries pretty much from the beginning of the season onward. He's traded

to the Browns. And whenever Murray Cooper is healthy, or at least on the field, he's usually pretty good. He's had 1,000 yards in every healthy season of his career, except last year. He's 20 years old now. The Brown's wide receiver depth chart is very thin. They have Donovan People's Jones. They have David Bell, Anthony Schwartz. You got David and Jokouca at tight end. They're going to have Djigobi Percette for at least 11 games. who, you know, is a pretty subpar, kind of your lower level average quarterback. But, you know, I'm starting to come around on the idea.

You know, if we all like the Brandon Cook's types and the Darnel Mooney's types, I mean, Amari Cooper is better than both those players and, you know, is kind of like an all-pro caliber wide receiver, I think, when he's right. So even if this is a run heavy-based offense, which we think it will be in Cleveland, is Amari Cooper just

kind of boring? I think that he's kind of the guy who, and we were just talking about players like this on Bill's pod, but like the guy everybody's kind of had and they're like, I'm good. I've had Amari Cooper. He's so boring.

I've had that experience. I've had the old bull. Now I want the young calf. Like that is kind of Amari Cooper. But he might just be a boring solid wide receiver. You can get at a pretty reasonable price. I think the question is what's the upside?

Like all these other guys in the range that we're talking about with Cooper, you're like, what is the best case scenario? And like in that range, Gabe Dave, we're like, well, I remember that playoff game with the four touchdowns. Amon Ra, number two for the final six weeks. Like all these other guys. And then Amari, it's like, is Amari, that's kind of the question, right? And also, it's exactly right.

Like, he's just kind of been there. Yeah. And I think that it's like when you've seen him in Dallas with Dak, the Cowboys scored the most points in the NFL last year. And Amari Cooper, was just kind of there. Well, he was a shell of himself. He was really, I mean, he was like limping around on half of his rounds.

I would say that Mori Cooper is a better real-life player than fantasy for that exact reason. His toughness is to his detriment. He's, there, he probably plays through a lot of injuries that other people would sit through. But the result is, like, we have a very shoddy, piecemeal understanding of how good he is because we don't really, it's kind of difficult to point to Amari Cooper's seasons and be like, he was 100%. I mean, a couple of years ago, like, he played through planter fasciitis for his season. He's dealt with stuff.

And so I think that for better or worse, it's probably hurt his reputation. He also just seems older than he is. He's 28. He just turned 28 like a couple months ago, right? Yeah. It's just weird. You're right. He's Brandon Cook's ass.

It's weird to bet on Jacobi Brissette's number one wide receiver who has not impressed in far better situations. Yeah. I don't know. I think he's like a pretty good flex option and he's fine as your wide receiver three. and yeah, he'll be fine. I still think that there's a chance that he impresses

and that he's the guy putting up a hundred yards every week and everyone was like, oh yeah, duh, Marty Cooper's really good and he's the number one. All right, those are the Stephen Glansbergs for this season.

Let's get to some emails. It's from a fellow Daniel. Daniel. Says, born in 1983, Michael Jackson was the best musician and dancer. Mike Tyson was the baddest man in the planet. Michael Jordan was somehow more incredible than the other mics.

also finding porn in the woods was the thing that happened ask any late 70s or early 80s kid and it will shock you a prevalent it was 100% DK, do you know about that? Explain the porn in the woods thing dude this was before the internet

you guys have to understand I grew up in pre-internet pre-cell phone days like this is my new favorite segment is DK man yelling at a cloud this the porn in the woods thing was real because

young boys that were interested in boobies and things of that nature could not just Google it. Couldn't just go to porn hub and look at it like whatever the fuck they want. You had to go to your local forest. You had to go to your... Well, that was where it ended up.

You had to go to your dad's hidden drawer or whatever, or you had to go buy it at the store. And then you'd like take it into the woods with your buddies and that's where you look at it. Because you're not going to just look at it at your house. Your mom is going to find you. So, and I think a lot of the time

people would just leave it there or whatever. I'm not going to go into any more. detailed than that. There was, in my experience, like, I vividly remember one, one Halloween, we just all had a bunch of, like, playboys and, like, went and looked at playboys instead of going around and getting candy. Such an innocent time. Yeah. Is that the word? Something. Just some good old kids look at a boobies in the woods and things of that nature. Well, nowadays, I mean, God, it's so different. I mean, there is something, there is something kind of simplistic about, like sneaking into your dad's, you know, drawer under the, under his pants and finding a magazine.

Nowadays, you're like 11-year-old logs under the internet. Who the fuck knows what he's going to find? Well, it's like Michael Che has that joke where he's like, man, people wonder my kids can't do math. It's like, he's got titties in his pocket. That kid could just pull up porn, like go to the bathroom, watch that like right now. And you want to teach him calculus. Yeah, like back in the day, D.K. was stealing magazines and running into the forest. Now it's just in your pocket.

Here's my question. I have two, I have a couple questions. Yes. Ask away. Do you have to replace the magazine so your dad doesn't find out? Or if one goes missing, it's kind of just unspoken and you never talk about it again? One page is torn out and he just kind of doesn't say anything about it. To be honest, I never sold any from my dad. I never knew if my dad had any.

But my friend's dad, we actually did steal some from his, like, it was like a file cabinet thing. And after we looked at him and everything, we would just put him back immediately exactly where we found him. so he wouldn't know. But I do think there is the unspoken, if the kid finds his dad's porn and it's gone, like the dad's either thinking it's the mom or the kid, and there's like neither situation he's going to, like, really address. It's a passing of the torch, you know?

Parents know what their kids are getting into? You know what I mean? I don't know why you guys were in the woods so much. I don't know what... Kids play in the woods in my day. DK, I hesitate to ask the question, and I'll say this lowly into the microphone, because I live with people.

Were people masturbating in the woods? Or was it just kind of... Looking at the nudie mags? Are people actually masturbating? No, no. This was not a circle jerk in my experience, though I'm sure they exist. It's just looking at nudie magazines.

There's a lot of sap on the trees, if you know what I mean? Yeah. On that note, thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you to all the dads who never said anything about any of this. Thank you to George, D.K.'s dog.

Thank you to Sam, my cat. Thank you, Lauren. Lauren. Thank you circle jerks, speaking of. Jesus Christ. Nice. You know what I love is when something is said at the end of the pod that makes me not able to edit out anything in the beginning of the public.

I have to keep the masturbation portion now. Yes, indeed. Goodbye, everyone.