The Ringer NFL Show - The QB Trade Market Rests in Kenny Pickett’s Tiny Hands

Episode Date: March 3, 2022

Live from Indianapolis, we run through the biggest story lines from the opening days at the NFL combine. We discuss Kenny Pickett’s official hand measurement, Malik Willis’s promising interview process, Cardinals drama, the barren QB trade market, Jimmy G’s future, the Colts’ comments on Carson Wentz, and more. We finish the show by reading some listener emails. Check out The Ringer’s 2022 NFL Draft Guide. Email us at [e-mail]. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Ben Solak Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

I'm Derek Thompson, the host of the podcast, Plain English. We tackle technology, politics, culture, history, everything that's happening in the world, and why it matters. New episodes of Plain English drop every Tuesday and Friday on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the Ringer NFL Draft Show. My name is Danny Heifitz. I am joined by Danny Kelly and Ben Solect. Craig Rulbeck is not with us here in Indianapolis at the Combine. And it's just too complicated to get him on.

We're here. He's in a late to Zoom. We tried to figure out a way. We're not even bothered. It's not going to happen. A new technology we would have brought him on. However. We didn't bring the technology.

So he's here. Sorry, he's not here. Three of us are here. It's the Combine. We're recording this on Thursday afternoon. So we have not actually seen the workouts. The quarterbacks and receivers are working out tonight. And then all the other positions throughout the rest of the weekend.

With that said, we do know Kenny Pickett's. We do know Kenny Pickett's hands eyes. Exactly. The talk of the town right now. So we're going to go through all the news from the weekend or the week. I don't know. Who knows what time it is. We know through the news in the week.

But let's, to start with the news of the day, which is Kenny Pickett has tiny baby hands. Yes, right. Does this, he is eight and a half inch hands, which I think are the smallest that would ever be for a quarterback. Smallest and Vic. Yeah, Michael Vic apparently was eight or, uh, yeah, eight and a half. He's going to be Michael Vic.

It's basically one to one data point. Yeah. Quarterbacks with eight and a half inch hands are Michael Vic. Uh-huh. Ergo, Kenny Pick is Michael Beck. Same skill set. He's the number one guy. There we go.

That was easy. So this is a, this is a situation where I think we talked about before the combine. Are we double counting this? Like, we already knew he had small hands. We got that officially confirmed today. That was never really going to be a surprise. However, I would say there was reports that his hands were eight and a quarter

coming into the week. That quarter inch, baby. And championship quarter inch. I was about to say, does a quarter inch matter? And some people were going to be like, oh, yeah, it matters. There's a lot of, like, veiled, you know, like sexual innuendo going on with, like, the handsized. It's just, like, very obvious innuendo happening.

with like does size matter? Also, I want to be safe. If you think the very serious NFL executives aren't making those kinds of jokes behind closed doors, you're wrong. And the executive making it a dick joke?

Impossible to conceive of. So I would just ask so like, number one, like bottom line, does this matter? So it does in the sense that he's going to play with two gloves. We've seen him play with two gloves previously. He's going to do that again in the future.

And that kind of can affect grip, especially, you know, we've seen quarterbacks go to grips in really cold weather. And so he's going to, be more affected by cold weather is likely. PFF has him with a total passing grade of 37.2 in games which he's played in the rain

over the course of his career. So there have been data points in Pickett's career, whether it's wearing the two gloves or playing about in the rain, they indicate his hands for small and although it turns out his hands are small. So it's not double count. We know this is a thing. Cold weather teams are really going to care about it. Front offices that have old heads in their scouting department, whether it's the GM or the director of college personnel or whatever it is, are going to really be a cognizant of that.

It's not a death now. It's not a takes you off our board sort of a thing, but it is a, we're going to flag that. We really better believe in a lot of the other stuff on this guy in order to like feel cool with risking him here in Green Bay or in Buffalo. They're obviously not taking quarterbacks, but you get my example.

If anything, it's stocked down because he was like, I'm double jointed. And then he spent, I get his hand massage to up to eight and a half. It's stocked down because you should just owned it, man. You should just measure it in the senior bowl and been like,

You got the, you have to rip that band-aid off early. We did a whole extra for three, four, five weeks, whatever the heck it is of like, I wonder if Pickett's hands size. And all you got was an extra quarter of an inch of all your, your, you're massaging and stressing. Lame. I think you found one of the weird websites that sell, like, hand extending pills. I don't know if that's the thing. Yeah, that's like always on the ads, the ads on our.

Has this happened to you? The best thing about Kenny Pickett's hand size is it came out, and within 30 minutes, I have a text from my younger brother. Do you do pinky to finger, pinky to thumb? How far? Yeah, where's the base? Right. He wants to know how to measure his own hand size

because now I've had multiple people ask me, okay, wait, how do I measure this? Because they want to know if their hands are bigger to the same. Kenny Pickett is doing the world of favor because of hand size awareness is a thing now. People want to know how big their hands are.

You know those Google charts that show how often something's been searched? How does the NFL measure hand size just have this weird spite? So we don't skip over the step, DK. Does it matter in terms of throwing the ball or is it strictly in terms of like when holding it?

Fumbling, like they hit you and it's how often like, your hand gets hit that you'll actually loose the ball and fumble. I think it's both. It's both, you know. It is about your ability to like spin it, throw it, like grip it with and grip it and rip it, as they say with velocity. We love that.

We love that. If you can't hold on the ball enough, like it matters. Like I really do think this matters. The shades of gray, which is like the theme of our show here is like the question is how much does it matter? Different teams are going to look at it differently. And I think a lot of teams will be sort of some teams, I don't know about a lot of teams. I don't know about a lot of teams.

Some teams will definitely say we're just not going to want to bet on an outlier because he is a historical outlier in terms of hand size at the quarterback position. Some teams will be willing to make that bet because they look at his tape and say we don't really see it showing up a lot. He plays in Pittsburgh, which I guess is cold

for part of the fall at least. Yeah, it's cold in Pittsburgh. But it's not. All of his road ACC games were in like Duke and Clemson. You know what I mean? I went and I looked through like his game long because I was curious about it. And it's like, you know,

oh, November against Clemson, 76 degrees in sunny and it's like I don't know I'm not a cold weather game So I think there is just the Betting on an outlier Is I think the bottom line here Some teams are not going to be willing to do that Some teams are going to say the other stuff that

You know that he has the other trace that he has The other skills that he have has is Enough for us to bet on him and look past this thing But at the end of the day this is an outlier And so it does matter I think Yeah I think it's funny because this is the most relatable thing About the entire draft process

Because everyone has ever played sports or thrown a ball pick when you get one of them like regulation size like NFL or basketball when you try to dunk a basketball and you try to palm like a bigger size one like oh man when I can't do this when I dunk basketballs and I often

palm basketballs when I go to palm the regulation basketball really just you feel the difference so yeah so yeah with all this said you have Kenny Pickett as your number one quarterback on the board right is he still going to be

that I'm having a lot of internal struggles with this because I think Malik Willis is sort of the other spectrum of it because his physical traits are so intriguing and so high level and he is an outlier in the good way in terms of his athleticism and arm strength. But on the other side of the coin there, he's like more raw. You're going to have to teach him how to, he just doesn't have as much experience playing in a pro style offense or whatever is what the NFL does nowadays. you know it's not necessarily pro-style like the old days but um i think there's just a rawness there so i have to it's like balancing one thing versus the other i would say i still believe that picket has the upside to be a starter in the league i still think he has a pretty high floor and he's going to come in and be able to run an offense but i don't think he has the highest um ceiling and so at the end of the day

i do think that willis or that picket will end up still being my qb one but um willis has definitely closed the gap for me Yeah, excuse us if there's like, you know, sounds of kitchen staff dragging large carts of media room depressing sandwiches and cold cuts. I'm sitting on the stove of the Indianapolis Convention Center. You're on the hot seat. Living on it. Wow. I love it.

Okay. So, but if you move him, aren't you double counting? Aren't you doing the thing that you just said not to do? I think it's, if anything, it's not double counting what Pickett has done. It's double jointing. Right. It's more just being more and more impressed with Willis. funny. It's like, like, Pickett hasn't really moved

in my mind. Like, I still think he's like sort of of a mid-first-rounder. And I think... It feels like we're ramping up for a strong next couple weeks of the league being, like, Malik's consensus quarterback one. Yeah. And that's a lot about what the class doesn't have in terms of like a clear starter, clear realm of guy, whatever. But it's also

Malik's having a good week. He's not running. He's not working out. And that's probably going to be a really cool workout on Liberty. But you've seen reports now from multiple people of like, you know, who's interviewing really freaking well? Malik Willis, baby. Okay. So it's the interviews. Because like, I think most people here, oh, it didn't work out to having a good week. Look, what the hell does that mean?

This is, I mean, if you think about it in terms of, like, I don't know, what's a good metaphor for us investing in something in our lives, the way a team is going to invest in a quarterback with the first round pick. It's difficult to think of one. Huge investment, right? It's like, I don't know, like. Buying a car. Right, buying a car, right? I want to, like, drive the vehicle before I buy it, right? This is the first time a lot of these coaches and general managers are meeting these people.

Like, meeting like, hello, I'm Malik. hello, I'm John, the general manager of the Seahawks, right? The interview swing matters because, you know, for as much as we'd like for the NFL to be a perfect evaluation process, a lot of it is cut of the jib. And if you meet Mike Lewis, cut of this guy's exactly. You shake his hand, all the nice firm handshake. And like, Malik, tell us about liberties. It's 100%. I love ball. I like, ah, I love ball too, Malik. I like to cut this guy's jib. That's a real thing. Interview swing because it's not like, oh, the third time, oh, whatever, it's the first time they're meeting these guys. And that first impression changes a lot of stuff.

Yeah, and I think it, so if you look at it from the team's point of view, in a lot of cases, GMs and coaches are hitching their wagon, their career to this person. On a dude, right? Yeah. If this kid screws up, I will get fired. Potentially. Like, a very strong chance, yeah. Yeah.

Like, if this guy's not very good in the NFL, I'm losing my job and potentially in changing my entire future. So they have to go in and really trust a person to be mature enough to put the work in, mature enough to learn and develop. And I think you have to, obviously, how to determine that is impossible. It's like, you know, that's the reason so many teams miss on draft prospects in general and quarterbacks particular. So I think, yes, there's been a lot of reports and whispers that he has had really good

interviews this week. I think they've, there's been reports where teams are putting him on the whiteboard and having him talk, you know, like talk ball, talk offense. And he's been really impressive in that sense. So that kind of, you know, maybe makes the concerns about his rawness. a little less. And so that I think all together is why he's having such a good week. It's not because he's going to run the 40 and 4-4 or whatever it is. But it's because of the, just interpersonal stuff, honestly. And I think that's huge because you have to be able to trust this person to put your

career in their hands. I will say he was the loosest and most genuine at the actual podium itself. I mean, he literally admitted, someone asked him about Lee and a love of the game. He's like, I thought football was boring when I was a kid? And someone asked him, when did you think, like, when did it not get boring? He's like, when I was, really good. Yeah. Dude, there is so much

untapped equity in an agent advising, a guy who obviously can't handle himself and like, be honest and funny. Like,

you want to win the podium, make one very easy joke. Not even like a good joke. Just one very easy joke versus going to get retweeted a thousand times. But also, it just projects looseness.

It projects, I belong here. And a big part of the college NFL processes is who belongs, who can handle this increased scrutiny, increased visibility, increased expectations. And if you're up there at the podium

just being like, I didn't always love ball. When did you love it? Once it was really easy. Yeah, you know what I mean? That's going to apply. So the way it works for everyone listening, the way it works is like there's like, I don't know, 10, eight podiums or something.

And they bring the guys up in 15 minute increments. And it's the same spot where the coaches and GMs all speak, all 32 coaches and 32 GM speak this week in theory. And then all the prospects and it's just like this parade. But, you know, there's like a huge crowd for like the quarterbacks. And then there's like, you know, some seventh round running back prospect over there. And So, like, was saying, if you're that guy, you got to just start, like, spew it. Like, you got to say some praises.

I would do the wildest things, mostly for my own entertainment, because I am a child. But also because, like, you ought to get people over to the podium somehow. Yeah. So I think what I landed on officially is, what would you do, yeah. Yes. If I were, like, a sixth round guy, seventh round guy, right, and they come to me, right, you're going to get super generic questions because nobody knows. No one knows who you are. How's the week, Ben?

Who are you? Yeah. It's awkward. And I would have, I would have a strong anti-combine take. regular. I would have a strong, like, how's your kid? Bullshit. Dude, this sucks. Like, I'm like, I'm here because I got to be here, a job interview. I get that. I'm doing my best, but like, I would talk about, like, how long they're standing in the hospital, right? And Stephen Holder wrote a really good piece of the athletic this week for those who have the athletic about, like, you know, two bags of chips for six hours in hotel waiting rooms, you know, or in hospital waiting rooms, I should say.

Like, you know, like, it sucks. I'm like, oh, yeah, it's totally blows. And now it gets more follow-up questions about that, right? I totally accumulate some more people. And then once I get more people, you know, I would start singing the praise of the combine, right? Once I got 10 or 12 people that I'd be like, the thing is like, this is just the greatest event I've ever been in my time. And then try to bury the original lead with just a bunch of other people. There's a lot of thought. Oh, yeah.

I need something to do. Well, you're waiting. Exactly. This is my scheme. Agents, come talk to me. I'll get your guys set up. That's why Kenny Pickett was an hour late to the podium that it massaged his thumbs to the recording.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, like, wait, hold up. Before we move on from Pickett, what's your, like, bottom line, Pickett Willis? Are you still, you're not, you're not that high on Willis or at least you weren't coming into the combine. I've, how are you feeling about that? I prefer Willis to pick it. And I did, when we first did our quarterback pod, I still do. And much like you said, if there's any quarterback takeaway this week, it's that Willis feels like he's rising.

Talking to people who are Willis, like Stephen Ruiz who works at the ring, but like other people in the field, NFL people who really like Willis, the ice is starting to thaw from him. I'm starting to get warm for the idea where really it's, the way I've started to talk about it is, if you're the Washington commanders and we're about to talk about quarterback movement for us this podcast, you're the Washington commanders. Ron Rivera is very clearly on the hot seat. I know this because there was a piece

where there were sources saying that Washington has called every team about their quarterback in the league. So they're having a little bit of a scary spot here. What do you think the call was like with Ron Vera calling the chiefs about Patrick Holmes? What do you think that phone call? I think you're just got to shoot your shot, I guess.

Like, hey, like tough season, disappointing season. You imagine if he said yes. Yeah. He's like, yeah. What are you thinking? five first rounders? Anyway,

the Washington, Ronavere's probably out on a hot seat. For one of those teams, I still think a picket or a Ritter makes more sense. Like a Ritter who I prefer makes more sense. Because you can get that guy in the building and win right now. Right. They are ready to go.

When we're talking about the teams that are in the top 10 and really aren't in that position, yeah, why not just Campbell on a Willis, man? Like, just take the swing. It's like if it's a 2% proposition. This is fundamentally why teams screw up and why teams in the NFL are screwing up is because eight, yeah, no,

when I was going to say eight to ten, eight teams at most are thinking, not even long term, medium term, because they've job security. Right. And then you have half to two thirds of the league are just thinking,

well, I'm like toward the end of this tenure of this job I worked my whole life to get. And like I'm working out of desperation. And like, so they're thinking defensively. And they're like, well, this has to work now.

Instead of building something, they're just trying to maintain because, well, if it all goes to hell, whatever, I get fire, it's not my problem. And like,

that's what, it means when Kevin Clark every year is like there are only eight teams going for the super which is like so weird the Bengals made it because the last 10 years last 50 years of the NFL it's teams that were actually building something so I don't know I just you're not wrong it's just crazy that how prevalent that is with these billion dollar businesses that they're just like skin to their teeth just trying to get by every day like everyone else right and that's that's that's it I was talking with with somebody this you know about this idea this week and basically the conclusion that we came to is a reminder that a general manager's

first job is not to win games. Head coach's first job is not to win games. It's to be employed next year. And your second job. So it's sell the bill of goods to the owner. Keep your job. And then second job, which hopefully is a little bit correlated, win some games. This is like the big picture.

Sorry, one last note. And I think this is why the big picture. A lot of people will be, you know, like for having job security long term, even if like the results aren't happening. Like, for instance, this is like why I think the giant agonized over firing Joe Judge or not is because, you know, continuity and having that long-term process where they're building and they're not

trying to like keep resetting and keep bringing in new ideas. And you got coaches in different cycles. Like they wanted to have like basically what the Steelers have is the coach is not worried about getting fired if one or two things go wrong this year and they end up having a losing record or whatever. Tomlin knows he has that long-term tenure and the patience from the front office, to do his plan and see it through. And so I think that's why there is an argument

for not overreacting and firing coach V. has a bad year or two, but I don't think, like, Judge is probably a bad example because there was not really any signs that he was doing the right stuff. So Rick Spielman's a good example. Spielman is one of the only GMs of the last 15 or so years

to get to pick a first-round quarterback twice. Interesting. He did ponder, didn't work, and then he did Teddy. Now, Teddy was the 32nd overall pick. So it's a little bit, you know, different. But, you know, you also have, like, in Buffalo, there was a little bit of a weird transition, but they had, like, E.J. Manuel and then Josh Allen, it's very rare that you see a general manager get to pick two first round quarterbacks during his tenure.

The Bucks had that with Jason Light, because he picked James and then got to get Brady to fix his mess. It's different. It's different. I mean, because, like, Light obviously was really much on the hot seat that year. It's very different between picking a first-round quarterback and saying Tom Brady, you know what I mean? He's signing that free agent. Because you know what that guy is. It's very rare that a GM gets to take two swings, two gambles, and that is probably wrong, right?

Because the thing about a gamble, the thing about a roll of the dice, is that it can fall wrong, even if it's the right process. It can fall wrong for any number of reasons, RG3, you know, one time, Andrew Locke, one time, and then all of a sudden you don't get the second opportunity. So I agree. And then even when it happens, the Bears just did that, where Ryan Pace somehow stayed on long enough to the draft Justin Fields and then stays on for one year and that gets canned anyway.

And now there's two examples. That stats from before that draft, but yes, Now those two examples, Spielman and Pace. Good segue to something that we did want to talk about here is Steve Kime and Cliff Kingsbury both got extended this week through the 2027 season. So like long-term extensions, obviously there are question marks around both of these guys, honestly. And Kime was one of the few GMs, I believe, who's had a chance to draft two quarterbacks in the first round. Obviously, the Rosen thing didn't work.

Rosen, that's like such a cheating one, though, because it was like, well, we have the first overall thing. Oh, whoops. Can I give you my take on the Cardinal situation, right? So just the prolog for everything is, hell. There's just a lot going on with the Cardinals right now where Kyler Murray, there was a report from Chris Morton, Sinatiased to be on that I want to read it exactly because I want to get it right. He said, he tweeted this, but he said, quote, the odd vibe between the Arizona Cardinals and Kyler Mary. All 85 years of Chris Morinson saying vibe. All right. The odd vibe. I can't get that out of my head. The odd vibe between the Arizona Cardinals and Kyler is indeed alarming. Marie is described as self-centered, immature, and finger pointer per sources.

Murray is frustrated with franchise and was embarrassed by playoff loss to the Rams and thinks he's been framed as the scapegoat. I have a question for you, So lack, very important. I'm going to just read this again. And I'm a reading again,

and I'm going to say this, does this not sound, just remove the Cardinals, Rhythm of Kylau, does this not sound like a tweet about Ben Simmons and the Philadelphia 76ers when I read,

just self-centered, immature finger pointer, frustrated the franchise, embarrassed by playoff loss framed as he feels been framed as scapego. Is that not a Simmons-76ers tweet? It's very,

it's very, very, Benson and 76ers tweet, which is funny because I think that a very real thing that doesn't get covered enough is that front office executives and old head coaches, which Cliff isn't even an old head coach. We're just like establishment sports guys. Sorry, we're in the kitchen.

I just don't think they know how to deal with gamers. I don't think they know how to deal with guys. You mean like video gamers? Not like football, like love games. Like literally video games. I think that they're used to their players loving ball. and being like they're probably working out four hours a day in the off season. Really, they're only working out like an hour a day in the off season.

But those three hours difference, you can't see what they're doing. And now they've got guys like Kyler and Ben who are just like streaming all the time. And there's like, why aren't you sleeping or lifting? Or at the very least like go party. Like I get that. You know what I mean? They don't get like gaming. So I very much think that like that like self-centeredness and like that sort of a thing.

I do think that there's a little bit of that link to the visual dissonance of watching a guy. game and watching guys streaming going, I don't get this, man. I think that's a good point. I kind of like very profoundly understand this because I don't know anything about like gaming. Honestly, does Kyler Twitch a lot? I don't know how that works. Okay. So Twitch isn't a verb. I mean, it is a verb. Yes, he streams on Twitch. Okay, Twitching is not a verb. Yeah, I mean, twitching is a verb. It's just not, it means what Twitch actually means. It doesn't mean who it. No, I get you. I follow. But yeah, he does. And like, Simon does him and and. I'm sorry. I'm such an old. Yeah, but okay. I think, I think that's a part of it. But you're right. You're

very right. It's very, like, I didn't think about it until you said it, but it rings very true. It is a Simonsie sort of a vibe there. So I think, so this happened, and then just this week, Larry Fitzgerald Sr., called Kyler Murray Spoils and needs to be humbled. I mean, Larry Fitzgerald's father said that. So, again, spoiled, it needs to be humbled. And again, his father is, you know, a sports writer. And, you know, not Larry Fitzgerald said that, but wonder where that he got.

He's an informed man. So then the follow-up, then Kyler Murray, his, through his agent, kind of puts out this giant weird Instagram or tweet, like graphic. There's no way

of knowing what that was. That was like, basically said, pay me my money for my contract extension with a lot of words around. It was basically like, Kyler's worked very hard

to brought this franchise from free wins to a Super Bowl. Yeah, it was like, it was like pay me in very polite terms. And then, yada,

yada, yada, Steve Kime gets to the GM, the Cardinals, gets asked about this, Cliff Kingsbury gets asked about this, they sidestep.

And then, is Kime and Kingsbury both get extended right after they speak at the podium to kind of dodge the questions, the timing, obviously. And like, so with all that said, um, now this, they have this weird thing where King, sorry, there's so much prologue here, but Kingsbury's agent is Eric Burkart, who is also Kyler's agent. Like, I will say that again, the head coach and the, and the quarterback. They don't have the same agency. They have the same person represents them. And let's remember why Cliff got the job is because they thought he could build a offense for Kyler. You know, who told him

that Cliff could build an office for Kyler? Eric Burck. This is my take. Can I give you now my Kyler take? Yes. The Cardinals are Ozark. This is not a spoiler, but the first scene of Ozark is basically Jason Bateman launders money. And the first scene is this drug lord

shows up and it's like, you stole money for me, shoots Jason Bateman's boss and then points the gun at Jason Bateman's head and he's like looking at some poster and he's like, uh, uh, more coastline than California. He's like, what? He's like, uh, the Ozarks. More coast than the California. And so he's like, what if I laundered your money through there? Wow.

Then I can make you more money than you were making before. And he's like, okay. And the whole show is he now has to go to the Ozarks and make enough money to like justify that lie. And like, that's the cardinal. Steve Kime traded up for Josh Rosen. And it was a disaster. And he's going to get fired. And he's like, oh, Kyler Murray.

And they're like, what? How's that going to work? He's like, Cliff Kingsbury. That'll be great. And now they just are stuck with this. I very much agree they're stuck with it. I don't know if Kingsbury's extension

definitely means they're going to extend Tyler, though. Really? Yes. It could be that. It could also be a shot across the bow, right? Where it's like... Wasn't the timing kind of weird? Didn't they announce the extensions

of Kingsbury and Kime right after Kyler released that statement? I mean, a couple days after, and it was after Combines we couldn't get questions about it. But my thing is when a key member of the nucleus that led to your playoff birth says, I'd like to be paid.

And then you go pay the other members of the nucleus. I don't think you're telling the one who asked to be paid. Yeah. Because if you were cool with that, you would have just paid him first because I don't think the other guys were as publicly as earnestly asking about it. As opposed to now you kind of have Kiva saying, oh, you really want money? Well, look, here's a lot of money for Steve.

You know, it's a little bit of like, that's what I'm saying. It's like, sort of Machiavellian is like, you know, you want some money like fucking years? We're giving it to this guy. And of course now, we have to recall Stephen Cliff don't go into the cap. Kyler does. And so what really remains to be seen is what the Cardinals do in free agency this year. Because if they give like a huge contract to Chandler Jones, then it's like, oh, they're telling Kyler that he's just not as high on their priority list. I think it came out to you, they're not going to resign Chandler Jones, actually.

And that's like, yeah. In theory. Yeah, like, I don't think Chandler is back, right? And I think a part of that is because they anticipated this big Kyler whale of a deal. But if Kyla's like, I wanted a year early and I want it to be this, this and that, and if they want to play hardball with that, then all of a sudden I think they're going to, you know, like, call up a son Redick again.

They want to come back for 10 million per and like start to make some big deals to show to Kyler like, hey, we will pay you in time. We have a plan and at the price that we will negotiate. And you can't push us. And if they do make that move, this is going to get hardball. And it's going to be hilariously good content, but it's going to be scared for Cardinals fans. Yeah. So I think the bottom line, though, like, overall with the Cardinals, because this was like one of the big news items that happened this week is those extensions for Kingsbury and Kime.

And I think, so my buddy Scott Barrett made this analogy and I thought it was very interesting. Basically, like in democracies with, especially like, we're in the U.S. What a transition. Yeah. This makes a lot of sense. Look, in the U.S., you elect president every four years. But then the president, you know, if they're in the first term, they're just trying to get elected again, right?

So, like, he's worried about the midterms, and then he's worried about getting reelected, and then, again, he's worried about the midterms. Yeah, yeah. And so, like, sad. You can do whatever you want. That, like, informs your decision-making, because instead of having, like,

planting seeds for long-term growth with, like, the country or whatever, and, like, they just want, like, results right away to look good so they can get votes. This is, like, a similar thing with coaches who are basically trying to save their job by doing these short-term goals and short-term patches by science. whatever, instead of actually building something from the ground up and having it have strong roots.

I think that's why you're seeing the Cardinals decide to back Kime in Kingsbury, even though the results have been pretty mediocre, honestly. So I don't know. I thought that was just like an interesting way to look at it and think about it. Obviously, if you know that you have the wrong guy, if they're like just terrible and shitty at their job, then yeah, you probably want to move on. But I think organizationally, like this is probably why the Cardinals decided to go this route. Yeah, honestly, I could talk about this forever,

but I also want to get to kind of the rest of the quarterbacks going on because there's a lot of quarterback news, but I think that the thing that struck me, and shout out Stephen Ruiz, who is the one who said this to me while we were on Radio Row, and he's like, the trade market just evaporated for quarterback this week. Not this week, but really, like this week, it really just went away, where it's like entering this off season.

Really, we've been spoiled, right? The quarterback trade market, like, it was not a thing, quarterback switching teams. The last, like, four or five years have been really fun. Yeah. And now, I mean, if you just think about the names that we thought were really going to be out there. Aaron Rogers, the Packers' GM's out here saying he's not getting trade calls and they want to keep him. Russell Wilson, Pete Carroll says, quote, we have no intention and quote of trading Russell Wilson.

And then, you know, Kyler Murray, you know, we'll see what happens here, but it seems I still think he's going to back with the Cardinals. Derek Carr seems like he's probably going to get an extension. We'll see. But it seems like Kirk Cousins, the Vikings seem like they're going to keep Kirk cousins at least for this year. like that seems really going to happen. And suddenly it's like, there's not much movement. And it's like, are we back to where we were probably four or five years ago, DK, where it's like, yeah, there's not many quarterbacks available.

Like, that's how it works. Like, it's boring. I don't know if like there's a, I don't know if it's a bigger picture in terms of, like, the NFL is changing or anything like that. It might just be more a reflection of like the quarterback class isn't very good, honestly. And teams are like bird in hand versus two in the bush or whatever. It's like, we got a good guy.

Like, we got a good starter. This is a Kirk Cousins is like the perfect. example of this. It's like, Kirk is always the perfect example. Any concept going to improve without modern of everything. Also, just like kind of like men in general, right? Like, he's like, he's mediocre. He's fine.

But he's doing just phenomenally well. He's not particularly great at anything. And listen, and when Kirk is my local representative from Western Michigan after he retires, because that's where he's from. Oh my God, he'd be such a good, mediocre politician. Because he's as milk toast as they come. Kirk Cousins would totally be a congress.

man. Yep. Kirk. Kirk Cid. Wow. He's made for the revolving door anyway. So I think,

I don't know if we can draw a bigger picture. This off season is going to be boring. Takeaways. Yeah, I think the bottom line is in the overarching feel here at the Combine

in Indianapolis is that, yeah, this quarterback thing isn't really going to happen. Like everyone's getting so excited about all the different crazy stuff that could happen. Aaron Rogers going to Denver, Russell Wilson,

going to wherever in New Orleans. And now it's just feeling like pretty much everybody's going to stay. Even the guys who are almost surely going to leave. Jimmy G., for instance. It was announced this week that he had off-season, was it shoulder surgery or knee surgery?

Shoulder. Shoulder surgery. Not non-throwing hand, but that could put his off-season workouts like in jeopardy or at least put the timeline for a trade back potentially, and so, yeah. That's a really good note, though, D.K., because obviously at this point,

everyone just talks about this draft through the lens of the quarterbacks are bad. But if the carousel's musical chair, that also affects the trade market and free agency and everything else because if these quarterbacks are bad and it's musical chairs, but there's not just music playing, right? It's more like if you hear the music based on the market and everyone's just kind of like, oh, these other chairs suck. I'm just going to be nowhere to say. I like my chair. I like that's why I think I think one, it's not like like Danny said, not super indicative of where the league is moving simply because, uh, development comes and fits and starts. So development, like, I think like changes aren't perfectly linear where every single year and it just gets a little bit more quarterback movement, a little bit more quarterback movement,

I think it goes up and down. So to me, I think, you know, even if this is a down year relative to our expectations for quarterback movement, I think largely quarterback movement is still going up in league. That's number one. I agree, yeah. Number two is it does become a little bit of a binary proposition. I think there's either a little or a lot because I think if one big domino falls, then we start moving, right? Like if it's Green Bay, lose Aaron Rogers.

he goes to Denver, and then they're like, yeah, we're promoting Jordan Love. Maybe it just stays quiet. Maybe it doesn't really have anything go. But I would be surprised if that deal happens, the price of it is defined, and then teams don't start calling Seattle and go, okay. Right. You know, they sent three firsts and Jerry Judy and, you know, Bradley Chubb, we'll send this, this and this.

And I kind of like sets a market for that year. And so I do think there is a flashpoint effect where if there is one move, there will be a second move and there will be a third move and the dominoes will fall. Yeah. sounded super smart and then midway through that very nice lady who gave me cookies before I started talking to her employees and I got distracted. They deserve you part of the show. They've been part of the convention. They've been part of the combine. They deserve being part of the combine. Man, what do you think of the combined?

Okay, so I want to ask you about what quarterbacks still will be traded because my rough list of teams that still need quarterbacks. I'm going to take the saints off this on the assumption that they're going to bring back James. But basically the quarterbacks who might get traded. It's like Jimmy G who just got any surgery. Matt Ryan, maybe the unlikely. Oh, yeah, sorry. And then Jared Goff, who maybe, maybe, and it's like, of those three guys, and then there's these teams that kind of need quarterbacks.

There's the cults, the Steelers, the commanders. That gets me every time. Weird to say. The Washington commanders. The Carolina Panthers and the Broncos. And I'm curious, of those, if you had to make one trade for one of those guys, if you're one of those teams, pick the team, pick the quarterback, what's the trade you would want to see?

It makes the most sense. So like first. What do I want to see? Yeah. I want to see none of this. close my eyes. I think Jimmy can work for the commanders. I think that that offense is a little bit more vertical than is ideal for Jimmy,

but Jimmy does have the blind confidence to him where he's willing to make like outbreaking throws, even if he doesn't have the best arm for it, he can. I think that he would be good for Terry in terms of the precision accuracy leading to yards after the catch. I think he'd be good for Curtis Samuel in terms of the precision accuracy leading to yards after the catch. They can and often want it to be this past year

an under-center play action team, which makes sense for Jimmy. And I also think that that defense was a lot worse than expectation this past season, but that was especially early on and they really settled in

down the backstretch, assuming they're an above-average defense, which they have the personnel such that they should be. If Samuel is healthy, Terry, and then plus one weapon free agency or draft. Plus Gibson.

Yeah. To me, like Jimmy in there is nine and eight. And maybe that's playoff berth. And I think right now, like I said, Ron Rivera's hot seat. So Jimmy to Washington makes sense to me. What do they have to send? First, second, third.

No, no, a second. Yeah, a second, flat, maybe a third and change. Don't got to send it first. What do you think of that, D.K.? Yeah, I mean, I think I agree. What was the, do you remember off the top of your head what the Alex Smith trade was? Was it a second? Oh, that's a good one.

Anyway, that's kind of what it reminds me of, like, 49ers have a guy waiting in the wings. and Trey Lance. They have a solid starting quarterback in Jimmy G. That was what Alex Smith was with Patrick McCorm. Third round pick and Kendall Fuller. Oh, interesting. Okay. So I don't know.

Maybe Jimmy G. Yeah, maybe Jimmy G goes for a little bit more than that. But I think it is all relative, though, too. Like, obviously, Jimmy G kind of gets like a bad rap. And, you know, I was always on the train that he wasn't good enough to, like, lead San Francisco to a Super Bowl. We didn't see that. We saw that not happen to a Super Bowl win, I should say.

did to actually make it to the Super Bowl. But, you know, I don't think he's a bad player. I don't think he's a bad quarterback. And he can definitely, he's certainly better than Taylor Heineke in my mind. And so he can elevate that offense. Be the Alex Smith-like ball distributor. And hopefully if he can cut down on turnovers a little bit, then like, that's a solid offense you have there.

So that would probably be the top one I put on there. So come back to what Solic said in the beginning. Washington's desperate and Jimmy G is what you need when you're a desperate team. I will say Sloke left one thing of the analysis out, which is Jimmy G to Washington, a lot of hot people with a lot of confidence but thin resumes have made it very, very far in Washington, D.C. And Jimmy would add to that rich legacy. Not exactly the same in the color scheme, but still generally the same. So Jimmy will know how to dress around it pretty well.

Easy transition. Talk about scheme transitions. Talk about colorway transitions. Is there another team, though, that Jimmy, like the dark horse for Jimmy G., like Indianapolis? Yes. Well, I think it's the cults, and here's why. I think Jimmy G. would be fantastic for the country. Colts, and this kind of gets to the Carson Wentz stuff, but if you didn't see, Chris Ballard,

who's the gym of the Colts, I think, that was uncomfortable. I think it is the most aggressive, not aggressive, honest, honest assessment of a quarterback. I have heard, I'm not going to compare it to like when Al Davis, like, eviscerated Lane Kiffin, because that was like hatred. That's not what happened. Yeah. Chris Ballard talked publicly in a way that I felt could have straight up in, like, how he talked to Carson Wentz privately as in his player evaluation, like, after the season.

Like, if that's what the stuff he said. in the meeting, it would have been like, oh, that's fair. Like, he said things like, you know, he said the criticism that Carson Wentz has received is fair. He said part of accepting, the part of like handling criticism is admitting when it's, when it is fair. And he basically said the play isn't good enough. I mean, he said things that, quite frankly, you just don't hear GM say about someone

who's under contract to be their starting quarterback to the point where Stephen Holder at the athletic, who does great work there, made a great point. Where it's like, if you, how is Wenz even come back to this building? Like the way things that have been said, it's like, it's too awkward. And talking about like making a Kyler to Ben Simmons comparison, this is a Carson Wenz 2020 to a Carson Wens 2021 comparison, right? Where it's like, I actually didn't even say 2021. More like 2020, really, in terms of Philadelphia tenure.

The message in buildings that Carson Wentz is in continues to be about a player in the spotlight, having the ability to withstand the spotlight. So it's in the two teams he's played for, that's ended up being the message in the 11th hour, as he seems to be out the door, has been, if you're going to play this quarterback position, Ballard said it's the most scrutinized position in sports.

If you're going to play quarterback, it doesn't, you could be six, five with a rocket and a jetpack, man. Like, you have to be able to withstand the spotlight, especially when things go poorly. And so it just seems like the experience of the cold type with Ballard, Dan Rolovsky had a tweet where he said, seems like once it's out the door and it's 80% off the field. Yes.

It's a leadership. It is the leadership. I have completely agree. I apologize to you off. I don't even like leadership ability because I think that that confidence. That gives people like how well does he raw raw in the huddle, right? And it kind of becomes this bucket term that catches a lot of stuff. Right.

It's just a self-esteem. It's just what matters to you? What doesn't? What can you filter and what can you filter out? Like we're all in the media. Like we write things. Like I write a piece. I think it's cool.

And now I just refresh Twitter. Like please like let people. People like this, you know what I mean? Yeah, exactly. Like, it is hard to be a public-facing person. Yes. If you don't have a way to feel good about yourself, that is independent of what people are saying about you.

I could not agree more. And this, it comes exactly back to what you were saying about jams and coaches, not understanding the kids who are streaming on Twitch and not understanding video game kids, because what it really is about is, like, publicly, all these athletes are tweeting things and being like, oh, yeah, like, I don't care what the haters say. I don't care. In reality, oh, what's a Matt Bowen? to see.

Yeah. How you doing? Not about it's watching a podcast right now. You want to come on our pod right now for one second? I got to meet someone that, that's,

they're still in the big ballroom? Yeah, yeah. Do you think it's, one thing, do you think it's weird that like a lot of these 22-year-old kids are coming in and like checking themselves

on Instagram and have produced videos and like, is it just strange? Oh, it's at the high school level too, right? Because you're a high school coach. Sure.

That's one of the biggest things at the high school level now is posting your workouts, you know, having a, you know, videographer, make a hype film for you. You share it's everywhere.

Yeah, yeah. How do you deal with that as a high school coach? What do you tell kids to care about? What I tell them to care about? You know, I don't mind kids, our players posting workout videos, haven't shown their speed training, stuff like that. I have no problem with that. But, you know, when I played in high school,

didn't even have that stuff. So you just got to, as a coach, you have to adapt to it. It's weird. It's worth noting that Matt Bowen's high school team, though, very good and very successful. Incredible. It should be mentioned at this time. We've had some really good football teams,

some state championship teams, trying to get back to him. Went to state semis this year and did not, we lost a really tough football game. We'll have a chance to get back. We'll have a lot of games. Matt, thank you so much.

It's unbelievable. Coming in hot, Matt. Yeah, good to see you, man. Thank you, Matt. We'll catch you up later. Matt is the man. Also, for those who don't know, Matt Bowen, it's not just the high school coach.

He's also literally a former NFL safety who now does ESPN analysis for NFL matchup, and you can see that on ESPN. So shout out Matt for joining us. That was sweet. But no, It's, I think it's really true, though, and there's a generational divide happening. But I do think there's another part of this to connect with Kyler and Carson Wentz, which is,

there's a thing you don't hear necessarily when they have their postgame comments, and it's boilerplate, you don't think about it, but you don't necessarily hear this loss is on me. You don't necessarily hear them saying Carson Wentz when he makes a mistake. You don't necessarily hear him being like, wow, I lost this, that game. You know what I mean? It's like part of leadership is when you win, it's a we and when you lose it's an eye you know what I mean I think I think he would say that in Philly

I want to give him that that moment where there are nothing times I can remember where he says I gotta play better it's on me the thing is that like that refrain has an expiration date yeah the sixth time you say it's like hey do you suck like you know what I mean like it's like it's like all right if the loss is always on you and you always have to be better are you good enough for this and and I think that that that like you said it's a boilerplate answer I think that oftentimes athletes feel they can lean on that longer than they can and and the media starts to get tired of that answer

and it kind of pushes into new territory. They're like, but I said it was on me. Yeah. You know, it feels like it should be the eject button, the big red cord that you pull. And then the Ballard at the end of the year, is like, yeah, it's on him. Yeah, right.

So, I think it's, I mean, obviously, there's a lot of things that happened throughout the whole season, but that last game against the Jags, where you couldn't just see no confidence. The Colts lost, they lost their chance to go to playoffs. Well, not just that. They had a 97.

percent chance Indianapolis did to make the playoffs with two weeks left. And then they lost and then they still had the Jaguars when they were 14 point favorites and they lose by 15. It's always emotionally devastating. So I mean like plus 270 baby. It's like with Wrenz, it's the physical skills are there. The arm, he's got arm strength

and he's got mobility, even though maybe his mobility isn't what it used to be. But yeah, like bottom line, I think it was like the confidence is just not there. And I think to tie this all together, I think that one of the things with Carson Wentz is that there it's cliche but it's I think it's true is that there isn't love for him

in that locker room and I think that the reason I think Jimmy G makes an extraordinary amount of sense is that generally speaking in leadership roles people kind of crave what they don't have and there's it doesn't matter what industry sports industry whatever a CEO a different kind of CEO a player coach gets replaced by a disciplinarian that's all right Right, you go the angel swings. It's not just because on the surface, you're like, well, Wenz and L. Sorry, Andrew Lach, Wens and Jimmy Grop will both kind of make big mistakes, not high upside. But in the locker room, I think the Colts are so desperate for a guy that's beloved.

Jimmy G. is a beloved guy. I think that's fundamental. I do think the cult will do it. I would 100% agree with that angle where you bring in Jimmy and you just know, all right, he's going to be able to handle his business here, and we can focus on other things. That's a big part of it. If I had to guess one quarterback who moves right now, if any of them who moves, move. Like, it would be, I would make Wendz more, I'm more confident he moves than Jimmy. And it's because it just seems like the Colts are like, we can't really run this back. If he were like,

right, bad and the reason we lost games, but it was okay, we could justify it. They would kind of maybe because of the money, because of the bad quarterback class, but they don't feel like they can, seemingly because of the off-field stuff, he has a locker room shut because of how he's, he is, you know, handling himself. So I think Wence is almost guaranteed to move. And in that way, I think Jimmy makes so much sense. As the other guy who's really likely to move and also is the salve they need in the locker room. Who's going to be the team that trades for him if, if anyway.

Wentz? Yeah. Panthers? I think, yeah. So Carolina always. Carolina could trade for any. Why not? Right now.

There's no way of knowing. I think Denver does make a lot of sense as a Rogers Constellation Prize. I think that Wentz is better than Locke. I think that once is better than Bridgewater. I think he's also tall, big, strong arm, which is kind of how John Elway's liked him. Right. Strapped, liked him strapped over the years. I've heard people,

like, oh, Wentz to Tampa. I think Bruce Ariens would suplex that guy. Oh, boy. Are you kidding me? I don't buy that one. So to me, Denver. And then, like, you know. Can you imagine decision-making-wise going from Tom Brady to Carson Wentz?

Can you imagine watching Tom Brady make decisions in that once? So, yeah. You can't do that. To me, Denver makes sense. It's like, we wanted Rogers. We planned the whole ship around Rogers or shoot Rogers is not available. Who's available? Carson-Wence is available.

Let's get Carson-Wince in here. Sort of a thing. Yeah. Okay. Dika, did you have a trade? left with quarterbacks or are you all good? I don't know. I think, like, honestly,

we're running through a list of guys that potentially could get traded. Quarterbacks could get traded. I think Matt Ryan was on that list. I don't really think he's going anywhere. I think his cap hit something in the 40s, in 40 million something. I don't think anyone's going to trade for that.

I think the Falcons want to try and compete anyway. The name Jared Goff has been thrown around a little bit this week as a potential trade guy, especially if, you know, the lions do something that a lot of people aren't expecting and they draft a quarterback at number two, or they still, they also have a pick at 32, so they could pick a late round guy, a late first run, I should say. But, you know, if they end up going that route picking a quarterback, they may want to just get, you know, get golf out the door. So I think those are the other two guys that are potentially on this list. Are we missing anybody here?

I don't, I don't think so. I don't think. Yeah, I think, Kirk Cousins is just like a probably not traded because of money thing. And I think that Kevin O'Connell is obviously fine with him because he knows him. Oh, Kevin O'Connell, Viking's head coach, Kevin O'Connor, Kevin O'Connor, Kevin O'Connor. Shadow Ranger NBA, yeah. The Derek Carr endorsement, to me, was the most ringing of the week, right? There was definite smoke that the Raiders were willing to move off of him with the old guard. It seems very clear the new guard was brought in because they are committed to Derek Carr.

Right. Like, McDaniels was brought in because he was going to build this around car. Cars, one year left on his deal is an extremely cheap year. And if cars, if this is legit and the Raiders really love car, then Cars Asian should be in McDaniels ear tomorrow. Like, let's make an extension happen here. You guys want to get some emails? Let's do it.

Love an email. Got a lot of emails. Emails at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. We're taking draft questions. We're taking combine questions. We're taking serious questions. We're definitely taking a lot of silly questions and weird fun facts. Pronunciation question.

Pronunciation speech. Well, let's get right to it. Ringer Fantasy Football, Gmail.com. Okay. Josh emailed us. Josh. Because we had the joke where the combine should be called the combine. Yeah.

They ran a poll on this on Twitter. My combined pronunciation did not go over well. So, shocking. Josh says that also applies to something you may not have heard of, which is consider the combine in farming, is used to harvest wheat, corn, soybeans, stuff like that. Once upon a time, harvesting was essentially two steps. It was reaping, which is you cut the plants.

stock and then threshing, which is you remove the grain from the stock, and then one day someone combined reapers and thresher's into one machine, and they called it a combine. And he's like, Josh says, I don't know how many people even know what a combine is, but I grew up on a farm. And when I learned about the reason why the combine is called the combine, it blew my mind. That's amazing. What's really frustrating is somebody made a thresher, Reaper combination, machine and then called like the threeper or the threher. Right. This is even hard. more hardcore than pressure and revert. And they were like, oh, I combined them.

That's the most important word in this sentence. So, let's go to the pitch. The bottom line is, look, Craig is correct. Craig, who is not here right now. Unfortunately, we love you, Craig. The noun is pronounced combine, and the verb is pronounced combine. Not as fun as we should have just gas-let people to do the combine. Yeah.

However, we had, so number one, the combine, this history of the farm machinery combine is great. I think that's good context. We also had someone pointing out on Twitter. that maybe they name the combine, the combine after the combine, the farming equipment, because the farming equipment combine separates the wheat from the chaff.

It's like a metaphor. Yeah, for how the NFL combine works. They're not that clever. Every year, it's just come up with a new, what's like etymology, a new etymology. Yeah, like a mythology

for why the name combine is common. Yeah, absolutely. Like the black problem part of the Caribbean. Yeah, absolutely. Like the black problem part of the Caribbean. Oh, wait, speak in which, that's the best transition I've ever had, Not really. I probably

incepted myself subconsciously. But Alan sent us an email that said, oh, I think, God, this kitchen's busy. They don't even have food. Who are they cooking for? I don't know. Cooking for the kids.

Players probably. No, the players don't get any food. What do you think this is? They just have to do physical activity. They don't get fed. Anyway, Alan says, I listen to all of you guys go back and forth

on Combine versus Combine. And it got me thinking that when you say Caribbean, do you say Caribbean or Caribbean? Pirates of the Caribbean. I say it depends on the context. In all contexts except for one, I say Caribbean. And then if I'm saying the word Pirates of the Caribbean, I say Caribbean.

So Alan literally said that and he said, his family feels the same way. Craig is who was listening to us on the Zoom, says, agree. So that's what Alan wrote an email. He's like, I pulled my entire family, my friends, everybody, and everyone just, the only context where you say Caribbean is the Pirates movie. And it's like, how did they do that? Why? How did they get us? It's like the name of the combine.

Do you pronounce either either the same way that you pronounce neither neither neither? I say either and neither. Yeah, so you're good. Okay. Either, neither. I think it's how smart I'm trying to sound. No, you're not good. Either and neither.

No, I say it's in like opposite. Yeah, you do either and then neither. Yep. is especially stupid in terms of like irregulars and stuff. Okay. Episode from Corey. Corey. Okay. Episode or a question? Email?

I was reading the email. Oh, okay. In your recent episode, when you guys did your two jargons, one lie, Solek mentioned, he made up the term Alice in Wonderland. Yes. And Craig got it right. I got it wrong. And he said, during my senior year of undergrad, I was a psych major. Well, I think it was a sick major the whole time, but you just put parentheses.

I took a course called rare and unusual disorders. One of the disorders we learned about was Alice in Wonderland syndrome. Oh? Which is basically, it alters how you see other people's bodies, like in the wrong proportions. Oh, eat me, drink me, sort of big and small. What? Like, like, Alan Alice goes first time in the rabbit hole, she gets the, the eat me tree and the drink me bottle. And it's small and makes you big.

I think Ben's the only one that actually is seeing Alice in Wonderland. Wow. I don't actually remember it. Big Cheshire cat guy. Email is that ring your fantasy football at Gmail.com is really mad that we have not read Alice in Wonderland. Anyway, so Sillick says, more often than not, so not Sully, sorry, Josh, no, Alan, who's Corey? Jesus.

Lock it down, my father. My father talks. She's like, who are you? Susan? I don't know. Anyway, so more often than not, you know, the head and the hands are like disproportionately, like, large for people with Allison Wonderland syndrome,

or like, you know, just they're the wrong size. So, in other words, perhaps Kenny Pickett has Allison Wonderland syndrome. What a full, sir. podcast and we're back home to where we began. That was incredible. Oh, boy. Good email. I don't know. Hopefully I keep stumbling into those during the rest of two jargons and one lie.

Unbelievable. Okay. So, we're not going to do two jargons and one lie today because Craig's not here. Or holding out for Craig. R.A.P. Craig. He'll be back. So we're going to come back with more two jargons and lies than you've ever heard in your life. So, can I come up with one? Yeah.

you want. Oh yeah. I want to quiz people. I haven't we been having you do them? I don't know. So like is really good at it, but I would like to also try. Yeah, that'd be good actually. Okay, cool. I don't know why we just said, yeah. All right. Yeah, you do both do. We'll have four jargons, two lies. Okay. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Solex. Shout out Matt Bowen for being a legend. Oh, yeah, that was right. Just stopping and

by the way, just a picture. We're sitting out in like the concourse of the convention center. We're sitting out in like the least-chum of all. You are wrong. We're all sitting like legs crossed. Right. And Matt Bowen walked by and all three of us did like a, oh, look this Matt Bowen. And then Matt Bowen did like, oh, I'm going to come say hi. And then I was like, oh, they're on a podcast, maybe I won't.

And they're like, yeah, we're going to get Matt Bowman. He tried to get away, by the way. Why are these people sitting down? Well, also, it's like, radio, well, let's put all the people recording next to each other. It's like, dude, it's so loud down there. It's so loud. It is very loud.

It's unbelievable. Okay. I think that's all we got. Thank you to the kitchen staff for working very hard and are serving. Indiana Convention Center. I assume it's, um, everyone's getting fit except the players. Everyone else, I assume that's the food. You don't think they're getting food?

You know there's also a pig veterinarian society convention here at the same time? Pig veterinarian. I believe it's pig veterinarians. Swine, swine, veterinarian. Yeah. And their tagline is like, pigs are animals too or something that's like, yeah, I knew that. I didn't doubt their status as an animal. Yeah.

There's also a work safety and health convention happening. I do. There's multiple conventions happening. I think that's addressing the pandemic thing that's been going on. This is my fourth combine. I dream of doing a piece where I go over a decade. I just get notes on the other conventions that are happening here. You gotta cut that.

You gotta do that. It'd be so funny. Craig, cut that. Oh my God, that's brilliant. Okay. All right, so thank you to the swine vets.

Thank you to the public safety people. Thank you to the kitchen staff. Thank you, Matt Bowen. Thank you, Sulk. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig, who's here in spirit. Thank you, Lord. Thank you, Alison, Chains.

Oh. Oh, wow, that was good. Look at you connecting things back. I'm from Seattle, ish. You can just say Seattle. If you're like in that, if I would never know the name of your town and you're within two hours of like a huge city,

you can just say the city. I mean, that's, yeah, that's why I knew that. I did live in Seattle for 15 years, so I feel like I get credit. But I'm not from there, per se. Goodbye, everyone.