The Ringer NFL Show - The Right Teams Won, But the Wrong Teams Lost

Episode Date: January 29, 2024

The guys recap the conference championship round of the NFL playoffs, starting with the 49ers' comeback win to end the Lions' fun season. Then, they discuss the Chiefs' convincing win over the Ravens, and the greatness of Patrick Mahomes. Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please check out theringer.com/RG to find out more, or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens and Jack Sanders Producer: Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Did Don Draper really buy the world of Coke? Did Tony Soprano really die? Or just order more onion rings? The finalees of our favorite shows can make us argue, make us cry, and make us crazy. From Spotify and the Ringer, I'm Andy Greenwald, and this is Stick the Landing, a new podcast where we'll be telling the story of modern TV backwards, one fade out at a time. Find Stick the Landing on Wednesdays on the prestige TV feed, on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. Hyphins, and I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Forlick.

The Super Bowl is set. We are getting a rematch of Chiefs 49ers. Craig, are you, like, excited or kind of like, yeah? It's a good question. I think the two best teams are in the Super Bowl. So I guess that's good. I think these actually are the two best team. We have the best quarterback in the league and the team that, I don't know,

the Ravens thing is tough. I don't know where you want to start. but the Ravens statistically, analytically, were the best team in the league, and yet when I watch them, I'm like, they're not the best team in the league. DK, do you agree with Craig when he says,

the best two teams made it? That's good, I guess. I think in terms of, like, entertainment, value and novelty, this is kind of disappointing me because it is a rematch of the same two teams that made it a couple years ago. And the Lions are a fun story, and so I probably would have preferred

that the Lions hadn't completely botched the second half, like one of the all-time botched jobs. Batched it. But yeah, I mean, it's still going to be a very good, like Craig said, it's going to be a very good matchup.

Like this matchup on paper is very fun and very exciting. And Mahomes continues to be inevitable in the 49ers, like I said, Buzz saw a team. So it's going to be an awesome Super Bowl. I just think ideally it would have been

not two teams that have been there a couple years ago. So we have two weeks to talk about this game. So let's talk about the games that happened today. So full disclosure, I am at, I am in Baltimore. I'm literally in the range,

the Ravens Stadium. I'm staring at the fields. It's 10.30. Well, kind of because it's 1030. and I covered it for the ringer. But John Harba took like 25 minutes to come out. I barely watched the Lions Niners game.

Like, I barely watched it. And then Craig, you were on a plane for the Chiefs Ravens game and barely watched it, but then you saw all of Lions 49ers. So we can kind of ham and egg this whole thing here. I watched them both for the record.

Yeah, DK watched them both. I'm on the rewatchable's tour. So I'm in Chicago right now. So my flight did not feature. couldn't stream on the flight. I could only watch movies and TV, so I couldn't watch the game. But I watched the Niners game.

So, TK, you've watched both. So you're in charge. First of all, what happened in the Niners Lions game? Well, literally, what did I miss? Okay, so tale of two halves. Like, this is the greatest tale of two halves I've ever seen. Literally, the first half was dominated by the lions. The whole thing, the whole time I was just thinking of that Mike Tyson quote,

like, everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. Like the Lions just punched the 49ers in the face in the first half. They were dominating the lion scrimmage. They were doing a bunch of six offensive linemen, just like smash mouth, run the football. They were creating explosive plays. They were absolutely deadly on third down. Like they converted, I don't know, like five or six third downs in the first half, like really tough third downs. Everything was just going their way.

I even kind of thought this during the first half, I was like, oh, this like almost is going too well. Makes me a little bit nervous for what's going to happen in the second half. that felt like, and then it turned out to be a premonition because they completely collapsed in the second half. They looked like the Niners, the Lions. They were running the ball at will. It was like wide open guys over the middle of the field. They were hitting La Porta.

They were hitting St. Brown. And Gibbs and Montgomery just truly couldn't be stopped. The Lions were averaging, like what felt like eight yards of carry. It was like that Devon A-chan game, that one game. And that was just like the Lions running game. It was incredible. And then a couple of things go the wrong way. And it was really, it's funny,

this was the worst game all time for the momentum is, it doesn't exist people. This was the definition of a momentum switch, this game. It was like, it was Jamir Gibbs fumbles.

It's like, uh-oh, Josh Reynolds drops a critical fourth down pass. The next possession, Josh Reynolds drops another critical third that causes them to punt, and then everybody,

and then the sphincter scale was off the charts. Started panicking. Yeah. Yes. So they were, so sorry, if you missed,

parts of the game. It's 24 to 7. It's 24 to 7 at half. So, like, everything was going great. And like Craig said, the Lions basically had... There was like a five or six play sequence throughout the third quarter where everything turned for the Lions. Craig, you didn't even mention it, but there was a play where the Lions should have had a pick.

It bounced off of Kendall Wilder's head. Yeah, yeah. And Brandon Ayuk caught it. Like, that should have been a turn. That I saw. I saw that was insane. And it was a 50... It was like a 51-yard gain.

They scored a touchdown like two plays later. That was like one of the biggest swings in the game because that should have been a turnover. Like he probably should have caught that. And so like if you really look at it, like Craig said, a dropped fourth down attempt where they should have converted that fourth down. A drop pick, like I said, that turned in a huge game for Ayuk. Gibbs fumbled, dropped by Reynolds again that killed a drive for the lions. Also, by the way, they failed to down a punt at the one yard line because some dumb guy just stepped in the end zone. It was potentially the best pun I've ever seen.

Yeah, it bounced on like the one yard line, went straight up like 20 feet. Then the freaking special teams guy just ran into the end zone with it. So, like, to me, if truly the Lions did everything they could do to absolutely blow this game. It was like a series of event. Like, it was cascading terribleness for the Lions throughout that. And then, of course, the 49ers are good enough to take advantage of that. I'm just looking at the like the play-by-play, the drive.

and it's like the drop 24-7 halftime and the Niners get a field goal 24-10. Lions go turnover on downs. Niners go touchdown. Lions fumble on the first play of the next drive. Niners go touchdown. Lions punt. Niners field goal up three now.

Lions go. Oh, all right, wait, so many things. I have to start with the, I started watching toward the end of the game. And I come in and I know that it's all been insane with like the momentum and then the lions are losing, how they're losing. The one thing where I, I, I,

I was finally locked in was the Lions finally getting down, they're down 10 points. There's like under two minutes left. It's not ideal, but it's not crazy, right? They can still win the game. Third down. Yes,

this is the big issue, yes. The Lions run the ball on third down, and then take a time out, which I thought was actually probably one of the single worst clock management things I've ever seen in a playoff game of any kind. I don't want regular season, a ton of things have. But it was like to me like a misunderstanding of the clock.

Right. Because I understand the lines want to touch down there. I get being aggressive. I get going on fourth down. I get that argument. But running on third instead of fourth, like you can't, there were 56 seconds left. They couldn't get the ball back even if they scored because they didn't have the timeout. Like the three timeouts were essential to the entire idea of scoring twice.

You have to stop them. I could not believe. a team can get all the way to the doorstep of the Super Bowl and be like, well, we need the ball twice, so we're going to use a timeout to think about fourth down. It was insane. It's what you always say, Hyatt. It's kids who play Madden would not do that.

Kids who play Madden, no. Hey, you need three timeouts to get the ball back. It takes three timeouts to get the other team to punt and not waste any time. They literally ran the ball, knelt it with one second left, game over. Look, Campbell made some other questionable calls that I actually think are completely defensive. because it's who they've been all year.

They passed up a 40-something-yard field goal to go for it. They didn't get it. People were mad about that. But that is who Dan Campbell has been the entire season. It's why people love Dan Campbell. How they got here? Correct. It is the third in goal running the ball,

followed by the timeout, indefensible, terrible. Terrible. It's just like you can't, like, if they had, I just, you know, you can't get the ball back. The other one, the other question I have for you guys. So, Brock Purdy, what's up with that guy?

Is he good or like what? I just saw a bunch of weird plays he did. And he looked, you could have set yakety sacks to all these Brock Purdy plays, but he kept completing the passes. Yeah, I want to know why could no one catch his interceptions. He tries to throw him.

And no one catches. Heard he had 267 yards, a touchdown at a pick. And then what, yeah, do you think, do you think that's his, you know,

he's texting these passes? I don't get it. In the draft, quarterbacks were supposed to throw, like, you know, a catchable ball. Do you think that Brock Party throws, like,

particularly uncatchable interceptions? He has the most incredible receiver core. That's why they can catch his passes. But yeah, I mean, he tried to throw, I think there was at least two, maybe three instances in this game where the Lions should have had picks and just couldn't catch the goddamn ball.

The Brandon Iyuk thing was like something that happens in Mad at it and you're kind of like turn to your friend. You're like, come on. It looked like a glitch. It looked like a glitch. It like bounced off his face and right into it right into AI, though.

Because they threw a flag and then pulled it back and I think if IEuk didn't catch it, they would have called a P. Oh, I'm rewatching it right now, I will admit. He kind of just yanks his arm. Having said that, wait, so this ball went, oh my God, the ball went off guys' face. It wasn't even his helmet.

Went off his freaking face. Oh, my God. Purdy was perfect in the second half. I mean, he was Mahomesian in the way he was scrambling. He's pretty shifty. I mean, he's quicker than he gets credit for. He was like 50, really, really elusive. It was like a Rorschach test because when Mahomes or Lamar, like, kind of got like a guy

went too high on him and they kind of just bent and spun up. out of it. I was like, wow, what incredible athletes. Like, the Gordon Ram's like, oh dear, oh dear, gorgeous. And then Brock Purdy does the same thing with the lions. And I'm like, you donkey. You're like, yeah, it's all right, I guess. Yeah, he's lucky. Don't get wrapped up. He was perfect in the second half, pretty much.

His first half was really rough. The whole team looked tense. Golf was playing really well. Golf had a fine game. I don't think golf had a bad game by any. He had a lot of lions dropped passes. He had a couple throws that were behind guys, but in general, I thought golf played perfectly fine. This game is not on him. I agree with that.

I think he was given his guy's chances to make plays. They just couldn't do it. They could not make a play. It was like truly the someone make a play challenge for the lions in the second half. Like they just needed one guy to make one play and the bleeding would have stopped. But it kept just being like, again, a cascading series of terrible events. And obviously you can't do that against a really good team,

a better team probably, obviously. And so yeah, just super disappointing. I mean, I would just be absolutely beside myself. I feel terrible for Lions fans right now. The way I learned about the Lions come back was I learned about the Lions getting the lead. Like, you know, I just like come back up from the locker room with the Ravens and I'm like seeing that the score, I'm like what? And they just show a picture of like, or not pictures of the game, but it was a, what word about it? A camera shot of Kyle Shanahan.

And in that moment, I realized Kyle Shanahan, he's kind of like, you know, the Tommy Shelby and Pecky Blinders. Maybe at Shelby. You know in Pecky Blinders, the whole premise, if you haven't seen it, is basically all these guys come back from World War I. and as Dicke would say, become incredible gang, like a whole innovation in gang leaders. Like they're just, because the idea is they all basically died in World War I, like in their heads,

they all thought they were going to die. And they're like, oh, this is extra time. This is gravy. Like, I realize that Kyle Shannon, I'm pretty sure is like living his life now. Like, yeah,

whatever, I'm basically already dead. Like, he literally said last week, like, we have a thousand scars. And I'm like, this is just another one. Like, this guy, this is the only way Carl Shannon can feel alive.

Yeah, but wouldn't that, that to me, like, suggests that he would call plays like Dan Campbell. who's a fucking maniac. Carl Shana hit is so conservative still.

It's like he claims that and then you know, push comes to shove and then he tenses up. So he's actually just still afraid to die. Yeah, how dare you do? There's too much to live for. What did you guys think of the fourth fourth down stuff? Like, let's dig into that real quick.

For the lion, again, I didn't totally see the game, but I can't emphasize enough. The Lions literally made the championship game by being absurdly aggressive on fourth. down number one and also Dan Campbell's son like does analytics which no one talks about. I think it's totally fine man. They passed up a 45 yarder. They were up 14 and they went for it. It probably would have put the game away. He's been doing this all year. Like I don't know. We've been praising him for this entire season. It's why everybody loves him. It's why the team got

behind him. It's why the media loves him. He doesn't care. He takes risks. He trusts his team. He calls plays based on vibes and analytics. And it's like, so it doesn't work one time and now we're all upset. This is the reason why they're here. I completely agree. So the, I agree with you generally, I think. I think for both of them, I saw people doing like the analytics like bots on Twitter, you know, that kind of like tell you whether it's like a recommended go or punt or whatever. And they were like pretty even. It was like a soft go in both situations.

So it's like, yeah. Have we verified those algorithms? Like who's making that? I don't know. Like what, what guy's in a basement just putting that together? Yeah. But I think my point is, Craig, my point is, my point is in both situations, I think it was a judgment call situation. It wasn't like obvious they should go for it or obvious they shouldn't, if you know what I'm saying? So like in both situations, they erred on aggressiveness, who dares wins, all that stuff. Like, we're going to go for this. But again, if he got it, the media narrative would be like, Dan Campbell, you know, goes with his gut, like knows when to go against the analytics. Like, and he doesn't get it.

Now we're going to turn on him. The first time in the first play he dropped. What are we talking about? Is it fourth and one? What are we discussing here? It was fourth and five, I think. Fourth and two, San Francisco 28 is the seven minutes. Oh, fourth and two, sorry. And then the other one was the one that Reynolds dropped.

Fourth and three from the 30 yard line. So that one I had, that one I was like a little less. I do, like I can understand a lot of people are going to say they should have just tried to kick the field goal there. Trust your kicker to make a 48 yarder. In retrospect, it looks like the right idea. I felt like in that moment. they needed to stop the bleeding. Like, I think after the fact, in retrospect,

you could look back and say, look, we were just trying to be aggressive. We were trying to, like, you know. They were 14 on that one. No, the second one, I'm talking about the second one. They were down three. They were down three.

They could have tied the game in the fourth quarter. Yeah, and they went for it. In that situation, of course, everything is hindsight is 2020, but like, I felt in that moment that they needed to stop the bleeding because, like, we had talked about, the momentum was very firmly in San Francisco's hands.

It was like completely San Francisco. like Detroit was essentially like panicking it felt like. And in that particular situation, I'm like probably just kick that field. But, you know, he doesn't really trust his kicker, I don't think, from that range.

And so again, it's, I thought it's like, it's pretty close in both situations. Like, it's a judgment call. Go for it. I just felt like in that second one,

they had no, the vibes were not good for them. So they should probably just have taken the points. The last thing I'll say in the fourth down thing is it's funny, we can talk about Chiefs Ravens here. And something that will be completely forgotten. about Chiefs Ravens. And it's not the main thing,

but since we're talking about a fourth down to the lines. So that we completely forgotten is that the game began with like absurd fourth down decisions. Like the Chiefs had a pretty like Kutzpah, fourth down decision on the first drive of the game. The Chiefs did a fourth and two at the 41 yard line. But picture this, the Baltimore 41 yard line. So the Chiefs are 41 yards from the end zone.

The next play or the next drive, the Ravens go for fourth and one at their own 34 yard line. So 34 yards from their own, the first drive of the game, the Ravens, if they had not gotten it, would have given the Chiefs the ball 30 yards in the end zone, and the Ravens got the first down, scored their only touchdown of the game.

No one will ever talk about that again. It literally would have been 17 to 3 if they hadn't done that. But they got it, so everyone will forget about it. Yeah. I mean, it was crazy. It's results-based business. Also, just decisions made in the first quarter usually are just judged, you know, less than decisions.

I know, but it was the, Raven's first drive, like the kick, the kickoff was a touchback. They got off the ball at the 25 yard line. From that spot, they did the fourth and one. It was the first drive. That's wild. Like the first, they didn't get the first first out of the game. They're like, fuck a three and out.

We're doing fourth and one. It was crazy. It's like you never see that ever. You don't even have that. You don't see that anyway. So, okay, Hyvitz, having been there, was the discourse? What was the chatter like amongst the Baltimore fans? Was it like, Lamar let us down.

He's not the guy? or was it Todd Munkin is a clown for running the ball three times in the second, or for, yeah, running the ball three times in the second half against a vulnerable chief's rush defense. Well, there's kind of like how you justify things to yourselves, and then there's what happened. I think it's easy. I think the tough reality is,

I think this, so again, the Chiefs beat the Ravens 17 to 10, and it's kind of wild because the Chiefs, the Ravens held Patrick Mahomes to 17 points, and they lost, which is kind of like an excuse. I mean, if you look at the Chief's numbers, the Chief's offensive numbers are very bad. Like, not good. They punted five straight times in the second half. Craig, I'm going to come back around to your question.

But there were, Mike Lombardi, DK, and I first started doing this fantasy show. We used to do a show with Michael Lombardi. And Michael Lombardi had this role that I think is a very good shorthand, is that there are kind of three, there's not really four quarters or two halves. It's really three parts of a game. The first 20 minutes is kind of like the filling out, okay, what's your plan? What's your plan? Like the first two rounds of a boxing match.

then the middle third of the game is kind of like really important, but it's kind of the adjustments. The final third is like the finish. This game, if the Niners Lions was the tail of two halves, this was the most, there were three different games in this game I've ever seen. The first 20 minutes of Cheese Ravens was fucking epic. It was.

Haymakers. It was literally, this is everything we ever could have wanted from Mahomes and Lamar. It was, again, both teams going front and fourth down. An iconic, the Lamar Jackson, like, spun out of his sack, Worley dervish to Zay Flowers, and then Mahomes had the spin out of a sack into like the Kelsey leaping

catch. It was literally epic. It was 14 to 7. Then nothing happened. There were like six more points in the rest of the game. And then nothing happened for the rest of the game. Nothing happened. The middle 20 was defense. The defense was good. Kyle Hamilton, I think, had one of the best games

I've seen from a safety in like 10 years. Like probably Bill Thomas for Seattle. The defense was good. to your question, Craig, the final third of the game, what's weird is the Ravens offense kind of dominated, but they just fucked up each drive. Like what's weird is the Ravens were like moving the ball effortlessly. If Zayflowers get six inches further,

then like, you know, it would have been like... It's a game. It's a game. They would have had the whole fourth quarter to just get three points. The Chiefs could not move. The Chiefs did not move the ball. The first two times, they went, Chiefs went touchdown, touched him.

And even scripted plays, right? The scripted plays, scored. Once Andy Reid ran out of plays, they had nothing. The Chiefs went three and out punt. They got the field goal which 30, like half the drive was personal fouls in the Ravens, 30 yards of fouls. Three and out punt,

eight plays that went 20 yards, punt, three and out punt, one first down at punt, three and out punt. The Chiefs won the game that way. They basically, they scripted 14 points and they just held on for dear life. I was going to say though, like this game is such a classic old school.

dad dads are going to love this game. Cleshy alert. It was truly like, take care of the football and play discipline and you win the game. They were the pay, yes, it was a Patriots-esque win. Yeah, like, okay, so here's some of the numbers. The Ravens, three turnovers. Chiefs, none. That alone is like probably enough to just like, that's who won the game.

Two of those turnovers were into the end zone. Right, right, exactly. And then penalties, Ravens eight penalties. You mentioned the Chief's field goal after the first initial. Flurry was like basically because they raked Patrick Mahomes in the face. I think that was the play. That was like a W.W.

Clothes line to Mahomes in the face. He got smashed. And he went down like a sack of potatoes, Mahomes on that face. It looked bad. Yeah. So the Ravens had eight penalties in the game. Chiefs only three penalties.

Zero turnovers and three penalties. That's how they won the game. Like obviously Mahomes was really, really, really good to start the game. He started out 10 out 10 passing. And Kelsey had two touched, or he had, Kelsey had like 96 yards and a touchdown in the first half.

Like Kelsey was immaculate in the first half. That was like incredible to see this is the chiefs are in their bag. But like Hyfit said, after that, the game just ground to a stop. It was just defense, defense, defense. Yeah, there's good defense and bad. Like the Ravens, Mike McDonald's, who might be the head coach of your Seahawks soon, D.K. Yeah. The defense accorded for the Ravens, Mike McDonald's.

What they started doing was they figured out how they wanted to play in the run game. And they started because remember Hot Dogs, Buns, I talked about how they said, Like they're always like, oh, they're going to make it. Why don't you run through that one more time? Yeah, let's do it again. Let's do it one more time. What I was trying to say, much simpler. I would like to say, first of all, before you say this,

Highface explained the hot dogs and bun's thing before the show to me and it made sense. For something, something just didn't go right. The Brots thing really threw me off. He prepped you on that? I wasn't prepped on that. Yeah. No, that was the idea. The first time we told us to me, I was like, yeah, this is funny.

I get this. Anyway. And then it just went hayline. What I was trying to say was that the same way it's like, you know, they ate hot dogs or, sorry, 10 hot talk are still in package, but like, eight buns. So you have to buy more buns. And you're like, damn, I'm stuck with all these buns now. And you're like, dude, they do that on purpose.

It's like they're trying to, it's like, the Ravens will put six guys on a lot of scrimmage. And the chiefs are like, oh, no, we don't have enough linemen. And then they stay. And then they're like, ha ha, gotcha. Gotcha. Now you have too many people and the math doesn't add up. I'm like, do it on purpose. Anyway, he did it again, guys.

He did it again. Whatever. That was a lot better, though. You did that. See, that's what he said to me the first time. I'm like, yeah, that made sense. Yeah, I know. Anyway, but the point is, what the Ravens did really well was, it's, it's funny when

you say it out loud, as simple it is. You're like, why doesn't everybody do this? They just kind of like sent all their rushers from the left side so that Mahomes, or sorry, from the, all right, the defense is the same left right as the offense. It's different. So the stage right. Yes, if you're Patrick Mahomes, all the rushers came from your right side, so you'd run left.

So that what they wanted was they wanted Mahomes scrambling left so that if he's going to throw, you better be. throwing cross, like away from your body, middle of the field, like risk a turnover, knowing Mahomes doesn't want to risk a turnover. And so they didn't want him to like, they wanted him to have to pick between scrambling or throwing. They didn't want him to be able to do both in a given play. And so it's kind of really, once you do that, he can't really just connect to Kelsey,

right? If he's running left, Kelsey's over there in the middle. All right, well, I don't trust any of these other guys. So that's why the Chiefs couldn't score. But the Ravens, you know, say Flower scores, it's a, it's a game. But the flip side is, Lamar kind of played worse than it seems. Like he had, Lamar, do you remember like a thing that lost to history is the, um, Nick Bolton, who had had had picked off Jalen Hertz in the Super Bowl. Nick Bolton dropped a pass through his

hands that should have been to pick six. You know, Lamar had a lot of plays that should have been picks or sacks. And so it's weird because he played really well, but also this game usually could have been 31 to 3. Yeah, I don't know how to feel about like you said he played really because I, my initial impression is not really. But at the same time, yeah, Zayfarer should of scored. Zayflower should have scored that touchdown. That would have been a very,

it would have changed the narrative dramatically, probably. And I don't know, yeah, like, but like my initial impression impression after watching

the game was like, okay, the people, the haters are going to have a field day with this. The Lamar haters was getting from 30,000 feet was basically,

Lamar is missing a lot of throws. He's scrambling, he's keeping plays alive, like when he kind of gets out of structure, he's like saving things. But today in the pocket, he's been rough. I think that maybe the simplest way I'd say it is that the beginning of the game was so sexy because there were some really cool plays.

The cool plays were not big plays. Like the Mahomes' epic throw to Kelsey, which I do think was epic, it was like third and two or like third and five. Like it went like seven yards. Lamar's, the craziest play of the game was Lamar through this pass that got batted up in the air and literally like a hot fly. Lamar Jackson ran and fielded it like a center fielder. On a run. on the run. He outran all the chiefs linemen running for it.

He outran them. Literally it looked like an infield fly. The center field just barrels in. Catches it. Runs in stride. Kevin Clerk made the joke that it's like, Jazele was like, oh,

you can't catch your husband can't throw and catch it. Yeah. But that was like 13 yards. Like there weren't like big plays until it was kind of out of hand. But the flip side was, I'm looking through the box score because I'm wondering what Craig's thinking

as he's looking at this. And I'm like, it is wild that Lamar had eight carries and then no one else in the Ravens had more than three carries in the game that it's kind of insane. But I don't think the only wide receiver on Baltimore

that had a catch was Zay Flowers until Rashad Bateman got to catch the last play of the third quarter. That's kind of stunning. Because they didn't run the ball either. So they were just doing swing passes, the Justice Hill. So where are we at now with Lamar Jackson?

Lamar Jackson is going to have two MVPs and two playoff wins. I think that, so I'm here with Stephen Marie. Stephen was also this game with me. Stephen made the point that this was basically the Ravens' first big game.

Like the, I know that they've had expectations that came in, the Titans, like, throttled them. They were the one seed. But realistically, like,

after the game, uh, so Lamar, if you guys don't know, so when you go to a locker room, the, everyone's at their locker and when the game is a loss

like this, it's like very sullen. It's very, just depressing. Honestly, like there was a storm cloud. It kind of felt like there was a storm in the locker room. Like,

people were crying. It was really sad. So when a quarterback does a press conference, no one can talk to the quarterback again. Like Lamar Jackson does his press conference. No one can then go up to Lamar. Like they will herd you away from Lamar. I've never seen something like this.

So there's like, what, 53 guys in the team? An hour late, 50 people had left. It was Odell Beckham doing a media conference like 35 reporters. Everyone left. There were only other two other players left in the thing. It was Lamar Jackson and Patrick Queen. Coming back around what you said, Craig. I cannot tell you how.

angry Lamar Jackson was. Like, he was so upset. Like, you know, when you're kind of talking about stuff that you shouldn't be talking about in the room of people you're in, but you're doing it anyway? Like, he was just, like, gesticulating. Like, you know, like,

I don't know a word for this, like a whisper yell. Like, he was just like, he was so mad. And all I could think is, like, everyone else was, like, dead inside. Everyone else was crushed. Could not speak words.

And to my point, Craig, it's like, I felt like in that moment, either Lamar like keeps the anger in him to like keep everyone together like into the next season and like keeps that rage because he was so like an hour after the game or the Ravens will be destroyed

because he was so burned up. I mean so like obviously we should talk about his really terrible pass into triple coverage that essentially ended the game right? Like he threw he went to he tried to hit Isaiah likely in the end zone and three guys converged on the pass and one you know he's picked off there was an argument that likely was uh there

was a pass interference on likely that probably should have been called but like the decision to make that throw is still pretty bad what what was your thoughts on that play i thought the p i there is no argument to me i think that the the i actually think the decision wasn't as bad as it looked he actually just under threw the ball and it was late that made everyone caught up to isaiah likely like that's the problem but that's a bad decision isn't it yeah well i think that either way. Is it a bad decision or it's just a bad,

good decision and a bad throw? I don't know what's worse. I think it's the kind of thing that actually like C.J. Stroud weirdly did really well down the run, which was if he's going to throw the ball, I think it's fine. It just needs to be toward the back of the end zone

where it's Isaiah likely will catch it or it's very out of bounce. Yeah, yeah. Like C.J. Stroud had a couple throws where like he was kind of risky, but it was either going to bounce to the receiver or be a catch and he had a couple touchdowns that way. I think the problem was it was like 10 yards short of where it needed to be.

they likely had to stop and wait, and he should have had to keep running. And having said that, like, that's why I think all, like the referee stuff, like how much did, you know, Bill talked about,

Bill and Sal talked about, like, oh, Taylor Swift, the NFL wants Taylor Swift and the chiefs. And I know Warren Sharpe had talked about, oh, the referee is signed of this game, whose voice will have to get to.

But the referee's sign of this game. His voice kept cracking, yeah. Yeah, the referee sign of this game was like, oh, I did hear that, yeah. I don't, I think that when you fumble through the end zone and then also throw that ball

to triple coverage, I kind of can't handle. Ravens Finns, I don't think you can talk about the refs. It's like, I know you committed more flags and you committed more turnovers. And the flags were legit. Can you imagine being that ref, though? I imagine that's your nightmare. Like, I'm speaking to America.

And your nightmare is like, your voice cracks over and over. I'm speaking to America. It happens several times. Yeah. He clearly had lost his voice, right, and was fighting through it. Yeah. Like, literally just, it has to be like Sean Hockily's worst nightmare. I know that he was in the ref tonight.

But it's like, you just like, you have to keep calling the flags and you have no voice and your voice cracks are getting worse and worse. So do you guys think, based on the games today, the two correct teams are in the Super Bowl? Patrick Mahomes in the Super Bowl feels like the most correct thing I've ever seen. Yeah, I agree. I think so, yes. So Mahomes is, this is Mahomes sixth season in the NFL, and four of them he's made the Super Bowl. And the other two, he lost in the championship game in overtime.

Four, yeah. Both in overtime. To Tom Brady. But Holmes's worst loss in the playoffs is AFC championship game to Joe Burrow. That's his huge failure. He's already like the second best quarterback of all time.

I think that's correct. Like Brady is like in his own stratosphere and then Mahomes is next. Can I go further? It's not even that Mahomes is probably second. It's I don't even know how much longer you can argue Mahomes is lower than third. I don't think there's an argument.

Mahomes is lower than third because it's like talent. He's up there. Stats, he's done crazy things. If you put Brady first and Joe Montana's second. Montana, yeah. Which I wouldn't argue with like, you know, my dad's friend or my friend's dad, right? Right. But I'm like, I don't, you can't argue like John Elway, who are going to put him third?

John Owey didn't make his win his Super Bowl until he's 35. Like, you know what I mean? Like all these other guys, if Mahomes wins the Super Bowl, he'll have more, the only people with more playoff wins than him will be Brady in Montana and he's 28 years old. He'll have three Super Bowl wins by the time he's 28. four out of six seasons he's been in the Super Bowl. Like, think about how hard it is to make the Super Bowl. Four of the last five.

No, he literally is like the, he's Joe, I think he's Joe Montana mixed with Brett Farf. I think there's so many ways you could look at it. Like, I think he has the Joe Montana, like, just that's the winner guy. Like, that's the guy who wins, that then Brady kind of ate. But early in Brady's career, Joe Montana was this like unimpeachable thing.

I also think, I also think what this, what this, season has taught me about Mahomes in the Mahomes era is that, so they lost Tyree Kill and now the following two seasons they have made the Super Bowl, perhaps they will win both after losing Tyree Kill. And after, you know, a weird season from Kelsey where he was kind of banged up, maybe on the decline a little bit. And the receivers are as bad as they've ever been.

It feels like we actually went from the Brady era and it was a true 10, 15 year dynasty, 20 year dynasty. And we have now just moved right into another one. Like, I'm at the point now where it's like, I don't, it doesn't matter who's on the team. It doesn't, if it's Dion Branch and Joey Galloway, like, it doesn't matter who's on Mahomes' team. Like, they are going to be in the mix every year until Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes partways.

I totally agree because it's funny, it's the Brady thing ended. We're like, we'll never see that again. And meanwhile, like, oh, well, shit. Well, it's literally happening. And on a better, like a faster pace. Right. It's like accelerated. It's insane.

It's weird. A week ago, we were talking about Josh Allen and versus Mahomes is the new Manning Brady. I said that. I was fucking wrong. Mahomes is both. Mahomes, like, the Brady Manning argument

was like, well, there's regular season wins and stats and awards. Or do you want, like, Super Bowl wins? And Mahomes just straight up

as both. He has all the Super Bowl appearances of Brady in his 20s and like the MVP's and stats and 5,000 years season 50 touchdowns of Manning.

He's literally both guys. But like, without, there was also a question of credit, right? Like, well, Manning's responsible

for cult success, Brady supported the con. Mahomes is absolutely the reason this team has succeeded. And they're, it's, I know, this is like a team that we talked about as like every week you watch. I'm like, this team's not very good. Like this Chief's team are not very good.

They're in the fucking Super Bowl again. I cannot, I cannot stress how difficult it is to make the Super Bowl. Like, there's a lot of extremely smart, very talented, like hardworking people in the NFL. The league pushes you to eight and eight. Well, it used to. Now it's eight and seven. nine and seven or nine and eight. Yeah, it doesn't have the same rate to it.

Math. Eight, nine or nine and eight. Yeah. It's like they push you to 500-ish. And because there's the way that the draft works, the way that your schedule works, the way that, the way that, you know, everything, free agency, the waiver wire, everything works to, like, create parity. It makes it easier for the bad teams and harder for the good teams. And despite all that, despite how good everyone else is in the AFC, like, we talked to all summer about how the AFC has, like, all these fucking good quarterbacks. And this terrible Chiefs team, obviously I'm exaggerating,

but like this bad Chiefs team is in the Super Bowl again. Like, I don't think we can comprehend how good Mahomes is. We just, we are simply incapable of comprehending it. Same with Kelsey. Chavez Kelsey, 11 catches, 116 yards in a touchdown. Passes Jerry Rice for most playoff catches. It's wild. And additionally, after all this, after all this praise to Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs,

they are once again for three, for the third straight game, underdogs heading into the next game. The Niners open as two-point favorites. It's now dropped to one and a half. Fascinating, a fascinating line choice by Vegas. For Niners who have beaten a Packers team barely and a Lions team barely. Two teams with like the bottom five secondaries in the league. Meanwhile, the Chiefs beat the Dolphins in the Freezing Cold.

They beat the Bills in Buffalo and then they just beat the Ravens in Baltimore and their dogs. I can't tell you how much money. I'm going to put on the Chiefs. It's funny, too, because it's literally the same conversation as last time when the Chiefs Niners played was the Niners are a better team, but that Mahomes is a better quarterback. And now it's like much more extreme in that if you just take the, take Brock Bertie out, take Mahomes out. Where is the Niners, 49ers roster from the second through 53rd player? Like their top, the next 52 players are like what? Literally the best team in the league.

Where are the Chiefs? Are they in the top 20? Well, they have a really good defense. I think they're probably middle of the pack. All right. Are they top 15? 20 is probably right. They have no good receivers.

This was the other thing I wanted to bring up to you guys is like the fact that MVS is like the playoff hero on this team is so hilarious to me because truly like there was like an inside joke between the three of us. Like MVS is only good for like dropping the passes in the biggest moments. You know what I mean? And he has caught like three absolutely. massive catches in the playoffs to like propel them back to the Super Bowl. The fourth quarter was literally MVS versus Nelson Agilor, literally the

guy's known for dropping things in the 21st century. You know, I would also say, you're right. The roster, while good, is not great, I think Steve Spagnolo, the defensive coordinator for the Chiefs, might be the best coordinator heading into the Super Bowl for what

they've done, particularly in the playoffs, with how good the Chief's defense has been. You know the second half Chief's defense is is basically like the best events we've seen all year. If you take the six quarters of the second halfs in the playoffs, so against Miami, Buffalo, and Baltimore, there's been six quarters in the second half. The Chiefs defense has led up 10 points in those six quarters to all those teams.

Spagdolo was incredible. Again, he was the Giants defense quarter where the Giants beat the Patriots, the freaking undefeated Patriots. I mean, what, Spagdolo might now, if they win, they'll have four Super Bowl titles as a coordinator. And he was a terrible head coach, but, like, those 15 years ago, it's like Rahim Morris was a terrible head coach.

That was 50 years ago. One funny thing, Nate Tice, our buddy who had, he was on the show a couple months ago, Nate Tice had this incredible stat about how part of the reason the Chiefs defense gets better is because Chris Jones, who's their best defensive player, like, doesn't, you remember the contract standoff? He doesn't try until the fourth quarter. They get this contract standoff, and it's a mix of playing himself into shape and also getting a lot of sack incentives.

So Chris Jones just, like, doesn't play the run at all. He is, and then he just plays the fourth quarter. He dances around the ring for like the first like whatever seven rounds. I was told to Ka'om in the ninth. Yeah. But you'd like start, you just toy with your food or whatever. It's like a cat. Yeah, that's a great.

He lower expectations. That's what he does. He just lowers expectations for three quarters and then exceeds them in the fourth. But to your point, it's weird because the Ravens defense, I still think it's the best defense of the league. Again, like, and he re-scripted two drives and they did nothing afterward. The Chief's defense in Spagdola know exactly what they are, which is, and they've been better this year.

But they also had the youngest defense of the league this year. I was in the Chiefs locker room last year at the Super Bowl. And an unnamed Chiefs defender turned to another unnamed Chiefs defender had said, basically, I'm paraphrasing, I cannot believe we just won the Super Bowl. We didn't even know what the defense was to like November. Can you imagine how good will be

when we actually know the plays next year? And then they were really good. But they also just kind of know that Mahomes gets them a lead and they kind of just like can play right into their hand. That's, I think, the criticism with the Ravens not running the ball is that the bill's

kind of ran the ball down the chief's throat and that's kind of been the weakness in this team for like five years. And yet, I don't know what Spegna,

I don't know what spell he casts upon the other offensive coordinator but they don't seem to want to run the ball against them for whatever reason. You know what else was funny about the chiefs

and like their coordinators, their play callers and whatever is I feel like all of the cool sexy offensive and defensive coordinators are all like really young and yet I still think of the chiefs as a young

sexy team. They're doing new things. They're progressing. Spagnolo is 64, Andy Reid's early 60s. These are two old dogs out there fighting with all these young guys with the Mike McDaniels and the Kyle Shanahan's. It's just kind of cool to see these two young guys, I don't know, like keeping up with the young kids out there.

That's been Reed's thing. I don't know enough about Spagnolio to comment on that. But like Reed has been, you know, famously like he'll go to the college coaches in the offseason and like talk about like, yeah, I think Kevin Clark wrote an article about this a couple years ago where he goes in and, you know, he's like, what, what are college teams going to be doing in two or three years? Or what are NFL teams can be doing in two or three years? And then he, like, will study. And, like, that was a huge part of why when Mahomes took over our starter, like, their offense was so freaking good is like he was doing all this, like, forward thinking stuff.

Like, Andy Reid is not an old dog who can't learn new tricks. You know what I mean? Like, he is out there, like, on the circuit, on the coaching clinic circuit in the off season, like, talking to guys figuring out, like, what the future is, you know, trying to get an edge there. So that's like, I think a huge part of his success. It's like, you know, when you're, you ever have like one of your friends' parents are like really tech savvy? You're like, wow. Totally.

Totally. Totally. Yeah. That's, that's Andy. I swear to God, I, it's. Yeah. He's like, no, yeah. We'll just, we'll just like, plug in the Sonos to get that going for surround sound.

And you're like, wow. Air drop it to me. You're like, you know what that is? Yeah, that's such a good analogy. I saw this tweet from Molly Connolly, who's really. good. He knows his shit. He said, it's unreal. The chiefs have the, the chiefs have the game's best quarterback, tight end, offensive play caller, and defense coordinator. Like, think about that as your foundation. I think obviously number one, having the Mahomes read Kelsey Trifecta, the triumvirate,

is like the biggest reason that they've had this long, ongoing success. Like having the number one playmaker, the number one quarterback and the number one, like, play caller together is like a enough to get you into the playoffs every year. But like adding in the best defensive coordinator in the NFL or one of them, certainly. You know, that's like you can have like baddish roster and still be so, so good when you have that good of like teachers and schemers. And two other things with Spagdolo. The, that was one of the reasons Craig. I picked the chiefs in the Super Bowl over the Eagles was at some point I just kind of realized that the Andy Reid, on offense for the chiefs, had been.

in coaching since the Eagles defensive coordinator Jonathan Gannon had been born. And that vice versus Steve Bagnolo had been coaching defense since the Eagles' office coordinator had been born. And I was like, at some point, like, that just has to matter. And again, the game is really close. So, you know, if the Eagles got the last drive, who knows. But it just, it is insane to think that the chief city just have 80 years of coordinator history.

And these other guys have just been an NFL staff combined for like six years. You know, the expression, this guy has forgotten more about football than I know about football. Like, to me, like, that is so. true when you talk about guys like Reed or whoever Belichick, these guys that have been in the league for so long. Plus their family, like their dads or whoever were in the league,

they were all around like football their entire freaking life. Like they've truly forgotten more about football than I will ever know about football. It's, I mean, it's like just... Do you think that that would be the best coach in the league if you could just hire everything Bill Belichick's forgotten about football? 100%.

Yeah. Just use AI. Just collect all that. You're like, dude, that guy is so it's like the cutting room floor. It's like the director's cut of coaching. Wait, the other thing, speaking of Spagnolo, though, and the parents, ironically, Spagnolo, when they won the Super Bowl, I was in the locker room in Spagnolo, you know what, like, those, like, elaborate phone cases that kind of fold, it's like your wallet, too. He was, like, holding it.

And he literally did the progressive commercial, the selfie with the, all right, three, with the defense, like literally like eight defenders are like Spags. And he's like, hey, wait, wait, come here. He gets his phone. He, like, unfolds his phone. And he's like, all right, wait, wait, three, two. And they're like, no. it's backward. He's like, all right, hits a three, two, smile.

You know, literally, like, every time I see the progressive commercial, I think it's Steve Spaggolo. Put some of the bifocals. Yeah. That's awesome. You don't have to say anything to that Lalo, cool, Jay. Okay. Is there anything else?

I don't know. The Ravens Lockroom being sad is like, it's just, I don't know. Yeah, tell us what your experience. Tell us what you saw. Tell us. Dude, these guys dreams. These guys' dreams are super crushed. Not going to lie.

Intensely sad. Vibes all time low. Do you think, so this is the other thing that. that comes with the territory of being an all-time good team, but then not quite making it is, number one, the vibes are all off the next season. This is what I saw with the Seahawks when they lost that depressing Super Bowl, fingers pointed at each other,

everyone, like, it just completely ruined the chemistry of the team. Like, there's a chance this happens with the Ravens. Mike McDonald might get hired away that could, like, really change the dynamic, what they're doing on defense. Like, he's obviously a very brilliant schemer. Yeah, the coordinator purge. This is another thing that I expect. must be comfortable staying in Kansas City.

He's been there for five seasons, and he's just not leaving, I guess. It's a weird upside of having older guys is that there's an ageism that no one wants to poach. One, defense coordiners don't get poached, but also old defensive coordinators just don't anymore. He's like, I like my house in Kansas City. I have my neighborhood's restaurants.

I like it here. Well, no, no, I don't, he doesn't get interviewed. Dude, it's like being president, too. It's like, you imagine how stressful it is to be the freaking head coach of an NFL team. You'd get no sleep. He just let up 10 points to Lamar Jackson, Tuah and Josh Allen in six quarters

and he's not leaving. Yeah, that's a huge advantage for them. They kind of had a similar deal with Eric Beanie for a long time too. The difference is, yeah, he like wanted a job and no one would get, yeah, I guess, but I think it is the same thing where Spagnolo, I think if he was offered head coaching job,

I think Spagnollo would take it. I think just no one even asks. Because he's not like a hot name. He's like the best defensive coordinator in the league. He's just old. He failed 15 years ago, so no one wants him. Also, during the broadcast today, D.K., I don't know if you heard. I can't remember if it was Burkhard or Greg Olson, but I haven't been on Twitter today because I've been traveling a lot.

Is it known that Ben Johnson is going to be the commander's head coach? No, it's not official. I think it's the worst-case case. I think it's, I feel like it's the worst kept secret type of deal that like everyone sort of assumes he's going to be. But he's still taking interviews, I think. Like, there was a report that the Seahawks want to interview him. Someone called it a foregone conclusion for Ben Johnson. I just thought that was odd.

I was like, Burkehart and Olson. Did he accidentally leak it? Did he maybe accidentally leak it? Or is this maybe just one of those things where he thought that was the case? Jeff Darlington reported it is a foregone conclusion in Washington that Ben Johnson will be the coach of the commanders. Jeff Darling is the guy who said that Brady would leave the Patriots in like October and everyone. Right, right, right. Jeff Darlington knows the shit.

That's huge. How do we feel now about? golf in the Detroit offense minus Ben Johnson. I mean for fantasy, immediately I would buy because all anyone's going to talk about this offseason

is going to be, will the Lions be bad without their offensive coordinator who went to Washington and then you'll get it priced in and then just take what if they're good and fine. Or you get an eagle situation

where the coordinator leaves and everything crumbles. That too. But I think it's a little bit worrisome. I'm sure we'll cover this. a lot in the summer, but it is worrisome how much Goff fell apart when he had McVeigh. And then obviously he was rehabilitated in Detroit. Obviously, a very different situation.

But I don't know. He, to me, feels more like coordinator sensitive than some other coordinates. The more I think about it, that was my first reaction. Now I think about it, it was incredible how Shane Steichen just immediately made the colds, like, really, really good as an offense. It's not like incredible and elite, but it's like what, I mean, do you remember how bad the were in offense, like, not that long ago. Like, with Matt Ryan.

Like, the last six years, like, you know, bad the cults had been. They, like, were pretty good with freaking, what's his name? Minchie. They were in every game. Yeah. That's the thing. Yeah, like, Shane's, like, he just did all that off the top. Like, he just came in and was like, Michael Pittman, you're going to get the ball a lot.

Like, Josh Downs. Like, he just came in and immediately with, like, not that different ingredients, just kind of made something that tasted, like, completely better. So, and then the Eagles got worse. That's what I see out of my boy already. Smith when he comes over to Pittsburgh next year. He's just going to mix it all up, make a beautiful

Sunday. No, it's good. What's he going to do, Bench Naji Harris? You probably should do that anyway. Yeah, we don't have any good place for him to not give the ball to. So it's like, ball's in your court, Arthur. What's he going to do? Give Pickens three targets a game? Like, that would be like a huge increase. So he's fine. Right. Riddle me that, Arthur.

Yeah, all right. So, schedule-wise, DK and I are going to be in the senior ball. I'm going to see tomorrow, DK. We're going to be the senior

ball with SEAL. We need a couple draft shows this week. Craig, you're on, I don't even know. Oh, Craig's again going to be in D.C.

10 minutes from my apartment when I'm in Mobile, Alabama, because we've played this really well. Incredible. So D.K. Solic and I will have a couple shows for you guys this week.

And then, yeah, we'll be preview in the Super Bowl, draft show, everything next week. We'll do prop bets, all that stuff. And then, yeah, we're covering the whole

off season, too. to hit? We're going to have two weeks. We're going to have two weeks to cover the Super Bowl. We can save it, you know? I feel terrible for Lions fans. Purdy versus Mahomes, the two best quarterbacks in the league. It's true. We kind of underrated the Lions fans. I'm sorry, Detroit fans. Like, that's brutal. It's especially tough, I feel like, because, man, that first half was some electric shit. Like, the all-time most fun offense. And, like, they're just absolutely just destroying San Francisco. There was a picture of Eminem just flipping off, like, all the 49ers fans.

That's so funny. And then it just all came crashing down. Barry Sanders was there. Brutal. How much more fun would it have been to have the freaking lions? Sorry, Niners fans, but like... I mean, whatever. The Niners have been to the Super Bowl a million times.

Yeah. But Eminem, be like, hey, you're kind of corny now. How's that? Barry Sanders, we'll have to talk. You know what I mean? It'd be incredible. All right. Fine.

Goodbye, everyone. No, no, I have to thank you. Yeah, yeah. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Carlos, for producing this episode. Thank you to the national radio. Whatever announcers were in this booth of men right now before me. Thank you, to them.

Thank you, Lauren. Lord. Thank you, M&M. Nice. Damn. One last shout out for Detroit. Yeah. Brutal.

Brutal. They'll be back. Maybe. I'm just saying. It's hard to get back to the top of the mountain, man. Also, the lines have literally never made a Super Bowl. this is again this is like why I don't want us to gloss over I don't want anyone to like take for granted the fact that they the chiefs are going to the Super Bowl again is it's so hard to get to the Super Bowl it's so hard to get to the Super Bowl it's so hard to get to the Super Bowl it's so hard to get to the Super Bowl it's so hard to get to the Super Bowl. That's the thing though the weird thing honestly well there's a whole other we can talk about us doing the Super Bowl but like there's an NBAification of this.

where how many basketball careers, teams, players, whatever, were just kind of became, I don't know, little Wikipedia paragraphs in like the Warriors or the LeBrons, whether it was the Cavs or the, you know, the heat. It was just LeBron and the Warriors for like 10 years and the Spurs. It was just like that was literally a decade. And then how many other people just... It was like the Russell Celtics and the Bulls,

you know, Chicago MJ Bulls. I mean, yeah, like my sonics were like a footnote in the Bulls era. You know what I mean? Yeah, and I think that's more normal

in the NBA. The NFL, Brady and Mahomes have kind of taken it to New Loweck. I don't know. Like there was Niners in Dallas and then it was the giant.

Like there were more teams frankly involved. Like Tom Brady just came in and did half the AFC for 10 years. And now Mahomes just, like it's just Brady and Mahomes are what? 15 of the last, 14 of the last

19 Super Bowls are just Brady or Mahomes from the AFC? Is that true? I don't know. Are you counting the Brady one when he went with Tampa Bay? Not even counting that, are you?

I guess he made 10. So I guess it would be 9 for Brady and then Mahomes made four. So it's 13 of the last 20 with two dudes. Yeah, I mean, that's insane. 65%. I'll say anything.

Anyway. Is Eminem a cool rapper name? I can't tell. A cool rapper name? cool guy. I've lost all context of that. I can't tell if it's a cool name or not.

Eminem. His name is Marshall Mathers. Is that cool? If I was like, if my name was Michael Madsen and I was like, guys, I have a rap name. It's Eminem.

Would you be like, dude, super cool? You nailed it. And then secretly behind my back be like, Eminem? I don't think so.

Steven's here. Perfect timing. Come here, Steve. Oh, wow. We're literally about to wrap the pod. Ask him if Eminem is a cool rapper name. Oh,

we have to talk into this mic. He's all. He's holding a mic. It's not plugged it. He just walks around with a microphone so nobody will talk to him. Are you excited at Brock Purdy? Are you excited to talk about Rock Pretty for two weeks? No, no.

This is my worst nightmare. Not because he's going to make it. I think like me having to, if I become a thing at the Super Bowl, I'm going to be very upset. No, this is good. They're going to talk about you. They're going to talk about you on the broadcast. I might have to play him at number one in my quarterback rings before the Super Bowl.

Super Bowl just to... Do you realize that Brock Porter is going to be asked about you at Unmediated? I mean, I'm probably going to ask him about me. No, I'm not. Yeah. Get in front of it. That's the play, I feel like. Yeah.

Oh, wait. You can't hear them, can you? Oh, my case. Can't hear anything. He gets you're saying because he just walked in. I forgot. What do you guys want to talk? I know how technology works.

Yeah, Hyphids is the dad that doesn't know how technology works. I'm just waving it, Stephen. All right. This is good shit right here. Goodbye, everyone. Incredible. Goodbye everyone. Must be 21 plus and present in select states. Fandul is offering online sports wagering in Kansas under an agreement with Kansas Star Casino, LLC. Gambling problem.

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