The Ringer NFL Show - The Take Purge: 2022 NFL Draft

Episode Date: April 19, 2022

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Welcome to the Ringer NFL Draft Show. My name is Danny Hyfitz. I am joined by three men who are ready to cleanse their souls. Danny Kelly, Craig Horlebeck, and Ben Solac. Ben Solac is here for our first take Purge. Yes. Unlike that one character who was new in the second Purge movie. Totally.

he says. Have you seen the purge movies so like that? No. Ben, fun fact about the three of us, none of us have seen them either. I've seen some of them. Great purge reference, fellas. Good work.

I think we understand the concept. We know the basics. You got a purge and it's like you got all these unwanted things. I don't know. I don't know what the plot is. No consequences. This is a consequence-free zone. Exactly.

What we're doing here, we spend all this time in draft season, doing draft takes and you start learning. And eventually you kind of radicalize. yourself. And you get this like unwanted ideation. You know, you get these unwanted takes. And so for our mental health, our spiritual health, once a year before the draft, we engage in the annual draft take purge. So we can cleanse ourselves of these takes that are corrupting us from the inside. The take bloodletting, if you will. The take letting. The take letting. The take Springer, as I would,

That was a workshop for this. We're going to run wild with takes today, guys. So yeah, I'm excited for Sala to come with us on this take purge because I know Sala kind of looks innocent from the outside, but I know that inside there's some like real serious. Oh, no, trust me. This is a very necessary. This is basically group chat therapy.

This is when you go to your group chat of football writers or football media buddies, go, you know what? X is Y. And I'm sorry, but X is Y. And you just need to say it somewhere. That's just this, but also we're letting other people hear it. So I'm really excited. Oh, is that the horn?

Uh-oh. I think that's the horn. Uh-oh. Hour starts now. Makes me nervous. I'm very nervous. The take purge has begun. For the next hour,

none of these takes, they're staying within the purge. That's right. And so anything's legal now. So I guess, you know what? So like, it's your first take purge. Why don't you start us off? So like, what's a take that you need to purge?

All right. Aiden Hudenson's bad. Hot start, strong start. It's not good, all right? This, he was not, he's not good. He was not going to be a first round pick until he got the extra year and the year off and when he worked and that's great.

But he gets stylized as this like incredible athlete on the Bruce Feldman's freaklist coming into the season. Like, he's going to test out like crazy. He's going to test outside of his mind. unbelievable tester. And then he didn't. He tested fine. He has a really nice three cone for his size, incredible, but that didn't happen. One. Two, he actually has an athletic red flag, a deficiency. His arm length is fifth percentile, significant problem for edge rushers.

We seem to be overlooking this quite a bit. He's a T-Rex. Yes. He's the T-Rex. Yes. He's the T-Rex. Mr. Robinson, yes. So, you have that, you have that. Then you put on the film, and he's stylized as this Bosa. And he's style, like, oh, he watches the Bosa. them. He does not have the pass rush acumen that these guys do. He simply does not look like Nick Bosa or Joey Bosa did coming out which is not like bad. Like most people don't look like the Bosa's but top

five top three picks at Edrush are supposed to look like the Boses. And then he gets also stylized this like incredible high effort crazy sack guy or crazy crazy effort guy like finished all these plays and that is true and usually when a guy's sacks or all effort sacks we're suspicious

of him but for some reason for Hudson it's like oh that means he's the best. I don't, he's bad. He's not good. He's Kyle Bandenbush. And that's great for him. That's great. Yeah, that's awesome. Being Ryan Carrigan is fun. I love Ryan Carrigan. I make Ryan Kerrigan as a Hall of Famer jokes all the time because Ryan Kerrigan got eight sacks every season for like 19 straight years. That's sick. Well, now we're just naming white defensive ends who wear face paint. That's, guys, you would not draft first of all. There you go. So you know. So you just hit as bad. People are mad of me. I would like to state for the record since I understand.

I have a draft guide that is published in public domain. Aidan Hutchinson is my number one player. However, my comp for him is a souped up Max Crosby. And guess what? Max Crosby was like a fourth round pick. He did turn out to be a lot better than a fourth round pick, though. I love this take. I think it's great.

I can't really get behind it, but I think it's an excellent, excellent take. And I think overall, like all the overarching points are correct. However, I do think he has a pretty high floor, but I love it. So I guess here's the thing. do this for living and I'm not going to lie, I didn't know Aiden Hutchinson's arms are that small. You said fifth percentile. He is a T-Rex.

Yeah, let me pull up this mock draftable real quick. That's the tape purge. You don't have to be accurate. It's fine. Oh, they're fine. His arm, like, 32 and one-eighth inches. Yes, seventh percentile among pass rushers. He's also like six, seven,

which is, we start to get to the point where height is not helpful because now your chest is super big and people can strike it. Eighthundreds is bad, right? Bad play. Bust. Dude, I just got my suit. I think my arms are almost that long. This is like the Kenny Pickett Hand conversation,

but for Aiden Hutchinson's arms. It does feel like something we completely just have glossed over and written off as like, oh, this doesn't matter. But we talk about arm length every year. How soon into the NFL season are people going to realize, hey, maybe he's nothing good. He's on the Jaguars, no one's going to notice at all. And he's not going to be on the Jaguars.

He's not going number one. Oh. Second take snuck out there. yeah that was a little preamble a little precursor my my subsequent crimes later in the purge yeah by like week

11 you know cave on tibito's got six sacks and eight hundred is gonna have three and a half and we're gonna be wondering what the situation was man so much face paint though

oh it's so cool a lowercase p purge of mine that I you know I'm just gonna purge it right now I think that the bet the more cave on tibito falls the better he will be you guys are kind of encroaching on one of my takes here.

Oh, please, speak it. Purge away. Purge away. I mean, this is, look, I think Kevin Timodeau was going to be good. Take purge. Like after all, Timbo's good. Here's the deal. We've spent the last like three months or two months or whatever.

We're talking about like hustle. The fact he likes crypto, the fact he has sort of a weird person out, whatever. He's going to be a really good player. Like he's basically, my take is he's going to be the best pass rush for in this class. And I, I, it's funny to me that this is the take purge, but I put it out there. We're all going to look back on this years from now and be like, man, did we talk ourselves into

circles and end up somehow not ranking. Yes. Tibido number one. Officially my take was going to be at the end of the day, after all this bullshit, Kavon Tibido is going to be the best fast rusher and Derek Stingley is going to be best corner in this class. I think that makes complete sense. Every time we end up like what all the things that we rearrange from January to April are just ridiculous a lot of the time. We're just overthinking it.

It's like how every year in fantasy we're like, I don't know if this is Derek Henry's year. And it is. But it's this year, his year. I don't know. I think it's not going to be. It's the rest of the development thing. It's like, well, this, that work never works for anybody.

But it could work for us. These people always, they delude themselves into thinking. Yeah. Speaking of that, I want to get another, I want to get a big take out there. Just get it out on the record. I went back. back, this is related to the fact that I went back and listened to last year's take

purge last night. By the way, some incredible, incredible takes from Craig Horrobeck. I was trying to remember your middle name, but I couldn't. Lewis. From Craig Horlebeck. From Craig L. Horlebeck. By the way, remember, this was in the pre-draft process, this was recorded at a time when everyone thought Mac Jones was going third. We were all making fun of the 49ers for trading up to take Mac Jones.

Craig was like, you know what? he's going to end up on the Patriots and he's going to turn out to be the best quarterback in this class. Guess what? It kind of happened. Also, along those lines, and in the spirit of that,

fuck it, all the quarterbacks in this class are going to end up being really good starters. Oh, my God. Define all. The top five. The top five, not all.

Define the top five. Kenny Pickett, Malik Willis, Desmond, Ritter, Matt Corral, Sam Howell. You are all going to be starting. You know what's funny? This is the take purge.

This is why. Here's why. Anytime Twitter, draft Twitter, the draft, the draft apparatus, the Draft apparatus, anytime everybody agrees to bury any one particular person or a group of players, they always fucking end up being really good. It's like Hyvitz's rule about injuries. If it looks bad, that means he's fine. And if it looks okay, that means he's not fine.

We all hate this class. We all have decided and agreed and established that they suck. They all have one massive, massive, glaring deficiency. whether it be small hands. In fact, they take a million, million sacks, whatever. I don't care. I think Kenny Pickett, probably going to leave the Panthers back out of purgatory. Malik Willis, basically going to be Mike Vic 2.0 with the Steelers.

Desmond Ritter, just a skinny DAC, and he's going to look great in action green for the Seahawks. Matt Kroll, future Drew Breeze, just quick processing, baby. Sam Howell, Baker, Mayfield, minus all the winching. there's chaos in the streets in this take purge and and deacon's got like the blow the blare the blare horn the megaphone i don't know so like walking down the street or now i can see it with like a spiked baseball bat and he just wants to hit this he's like naked with a torch just running down the middle of the street like the yellow king you're making a lot of visual references for a movie that once again none of us have seen like the middle hour of the purge i've seen the trailer i've seen the first purge which is very boring about one house. And I've seen a little bit of the one where they're walking around the streets

and I get the idea. You know who I was thinking of? This is a different movie crossover here. But in this is the end, Danny McBride after like a week is like running like a gang of cannibals. That's this take right here for me. Channing Tatum in a game.

Hey guys. This is that version of this take. But honestly, I was inspired because Craig was just so fucking specifically right on that take from last year. This is again, This was way before, like, he was even connected to the Patriots. It was like he was going number three overall.

I half agree with D.K. So I... It'd be hard to hit five for five on this. I'll be honest. Not five for five. I think two things are true. I think no quarterbacks are going to go in the first round. Oh.

Zero. First time in 25 years. None. Wow. Like, none of these teams, like, out of these teams, like, actually need quarterbacks. Things were glossing all over. Carolina need quarterbacks.

Sam Donald? Ever heard of him? Ever heard of him? Never heard of him? He was the number $3. Ben McAdoo literally just said he's the starting quarterback. He did. And then said a few minutes later, I should not have said that. I should not have said that. I have the worst fucking attorneys.

Exactly. It's exactly. We're out here wondering if the lion's going to take quarterback. They have Jared Goff. He was the number one big five years ago. Wait. Oh, the Steelers going to take a quarterback. Mike Tomlin said a month ago, he was asked, are you going to take a quarterback in the draft?

He's like, yeah, we'll see how the picks shake out. Is that someone with some master plan to take a quarterback at 20? I think all these teams are like, yeah, we'll grab them in the second round. And they all will. And guess what? When they all go in the second round, we're going to think they're good. Like DK's saying, because when you're in a first round quarterback, we're going to be like, oh, those guys are disappointing for first rounders.

When their second round was going to be like, wow, Desmond Ritter, pretty good for a second rounder. I think that the guys who go to good teams in the second round are going to be good. But none of them will go in the first. This feels more likely than mine. I want to piggyback off Hivitz's take a little bit. I don't know about the second round thing. That's a great take purge. I want to say that I don't think any single quarterback is going to be starting week one.

I can see that. And they're all just going to be bad. They're all just not going to be able to beat out Sam Darnold. They're not going to be out Carson Wentz. They're not going to be able to get Jared Duff. This isn't a take. We all hate him. But is that something that people believe?

I don't think a single one of these guys is going to start week one. That's, I think that makes total sense because I think even if the Steelers take them, I think Shribiski is going to be the starter week one. And then I think if the Panthers, yeah, versus Sam Donald, I, I don't know. So like, I, what do you think, do you think I'm crazy for no quarterback starting or going in the first round? Because I truly believe that. Yes.

Kind of. Yeah. I thought the take first was a fun idea. And like, this would be a good episode. And then hyphen said with a straight face, they have Jared Gough. And now I know this is bad. This is a bad place to be. it's just like it's it's because the the money right it's not about the talent it's about the money like

if you hit on the first round quarterback it's so much more helpful to have the fifth year option have that contract that I think that's why you but who's doing that yeah Atlanta Washington Pittsburgh Tennessee Detroit but why in the first why would any of those teams do this in the first the lines you could convince me with the 30 second pick because they have a good offensive line, but honestly, the Panthers, they have one pick in the top 130. Why? Why are you going to take a quarterback? Is Kenny Pickett going to save Matt Rule's job? No, take a left tackle. I'm pretty sure I didn't say that. I'm pretty sure I didn't say the Panthers. Well, no, that's fair. You said that, but who else did you say? Right. The Falcons, I'll say the Seahawks,

Washington football team, Steelers, Titans. But the Falcon, I just look at all these teams and they're like, like the Falcons, they have so many needs. All the teams you just mentioned have so many different needs that they can fill in the first round. And I feel like the rookie contract thing is still real in the second. But I think some of these guys are going to fall. I do think some fall. I do think that the line for quarterbacks

in the first round would be like three and a half and it's more likely to be under than over as opposed to being like, Corral's going to go, and Ritter's going to go, and Pick is going to go. I agree with all that. I think that,

and this honestly, this actually kind of dovetails into one of my take purges. But I do think that the value of the rookie contract quarterback and the fifth year option is such that teams will prioritize getting that player because in the event that he hits, he's so much more valuable to your team than even like a first round edge hitting or a first round receiver hitting just because of how much the

contract disparity is. We'll see. I'm kind of, I think that I can see Willis being at the end of the first, but that also requires teams talking themselves into the guy. And I kind of don't know how they're going to do that for like picket. I don't know. I really am starting to be radicalized against all these quarterbacks. I thought I'd be talking myself into him. All right. So, like,

you're being too rational. You got another. Well, that's very funny, Rex. I had to play the rational heel to your, to your take,

and now I'm going to literally talk out the other side of my mouth. Take Perch part two. The nerds are ruining the draft, man, okay? He's on it. Get out of my draft.

Take all of your numbers of your spreadsheets and go shove them somewhere else, all right? Positional value sucks. It's boring and it's lame. Oh, Jordan Davis.

is it only how many staff's going to play? He's amazing. Shut up. Go to bed. How Hamilton is the safety. Is the safety a premium position? Yes. It's really good player.

Good players are helpful. Oh, you should draft quarterbacks in the first round because the fifth year option. Oh, it'll help you with the contract money. Yeah, but what if they suck, man? What if they're bad? What if the quarterback suck and the guards are better? Maybe go draft the guard. It's more likely he's good because he's better.

Get nerds out of my football, please? is the moral of this story. Nerds are ruining the draft. Breece Hall is very good and deserves to go in the first round. Draft off of vibes. Draft football, love, and jesse's. Prosper.

Thank you for your time. Draft off of vibes is my... I think so like she's got hired to run the lions. Yeah. Speaking of Breece Hall, I have my take perch. Yes.

Breeze Hall, running back out of Iowa State, it's going to be the most successful offensive rookie in this entire draft class. Does that include linemen? No. I didn't think so. Skill players.

Skill players. This man, Breach Hall, 511, 217, happens to beat out a certain young NFL star running back in every single physical category at the combine,

which as we know means everything. The young star running back is Jonathan Taylor. Both came out as juniors. Same 40 time. Bryce Hall beats Jonathan Taylor in every single event he participated in at the combine,

including vertical jump, which he jumps 40 inches, by the way, insane. Baraj jump. His measurements are better, longer arms, bigger hands. The only knock on Breeze Hall said,

I mean, he's got too many carries, 700 plus carries in college. Well, the knock on Jonathan Taylor was carries. He had 926 carries in college. Not bad. I think, I think Brees Hall is going to get drafted by, like, some team like the Texans, and I think he's going to get 300 plus carries, and I think he's going to be really good. I didn't, like, no notes. Say right now, Breece Hall is better than Jonathan Taylor.

Say it. Stop dancing around it. Three will be the number one picking fantasy drafts. Why? Say, Breeze Hall. He's better than Jonathan Taylor. Briseall is better than Jonathan Taylor. Yes.

We got him. He leaned in for that too. Yeah. So why, if all that's true, D.K., why have we not heard from either you two like a peep on Bryce Hall? Briseall. Breesall, Jesus.

I just confused him and Bryce Brown briefly. Because the nerds are ruining the draft. Get the nerds out of the draft. Because running backs don't matter anymore. And he's probably going to be a second round pick. But Craig, much like Jonathan Taylor was. Brise Hall is an incredible prospect.

He was super productive. He was productive from a very early age. He ran under 4-4. Like, what's not to like about it? Yeah, and also, Jonathan Taylor was like, oh, can he catch passes? He caught like 40 balls in all of college. Brees-Hall caught 82 balls in college

and his really good receiver. Like, I don't, maybe three years ago or five years ago, seven years ago, he's the top like 10 pick in the draft. And then, oh, yeah. If you go, if you want to ruin the draft further, but also, like, isn't, and then Kenneth Walker.

is in some advanced areas, like an even better rusher, like in terms of actual, like, production than Breece Hall is in some ways. Yeah. So there's kind of two good running backs in a draft that we kind of have convinced ourselves there aren't any great running backs.

Along those lines, I've got a take for you. Oh. Here's my take. Love Breece Hall. Absolutely love Breeze Hall. Love Kenny Walker. Damien Pierce is going to end up being the best running back in this class, is my take.

What's Damien Pierce was 40? Say Damien Pierce. Pierce is better than Jonathan Taylor. Say Damien Pierce is better than Jonathan Taylor. Yeah. 459. Okay. Here's the deal.

He's the deal. He's the, David Pierce is going to be. Florida Gators running back. Yeah, Florida Gators running back. He's going to be probably third or fourth round pick. In large part, because he just wasn't given a heavy workload in college, Lance Zerling from NFL.com actually said in his scouting report that that was a fireable

offense that he wasn't given more carries. And Dan Mullen, the head coach, was in fact fired. According to PFF, purged. According to PFF, Damien Pierce had 39 broken tackles on 100 rushes. He had 39 broken tackles on 100. He only got 100 rushes and he had 39 broken tackles. What is this coach doing? Get the nerds out of the sport.

And I saw this actually from Fantasy Points, Scott Barrett. Pierce's 2021 season, he ranks third by Miss Tassel. tackles force per attempt since 2014, behind only Giovante Williams in 2020, and Bijon Robinson in 2021. By the way, he was probably going to be a first round pick next year. Bejan. Bejan is a good player. He's insanely good. Like, go watch Bejohn Robinson, by the way.

Am I saying his name correctly? Yeah, Bajon Robinson. Jonathan Sharks, who is a proud Texas fan, has been talking to be about Bejohn Robinson for two and a half years. Dude, he is really good. But that kind of paints a picture of where Pierce stays on that spectrum as a tackle breaker. Since 2014, according to Barrett, Pierce ranked fourth best among all power five running backs in career mistackles force per reception. So he's good on catches too.

And he averaged a touchdown every 7.4 touches in 2021, which is second among all power five running backs since 2000 behind only Percy Harvin. So what's the best possible team if you had him in your like a dynasty fantasy league and you had him forever? What is the best team that you would want Damien Pierce to get drafted to? For him to have a great career. Shoot, that's a good question. Let me look. I'm looking at the league here.

I'm looking at the league here. I'm looking at the list of teams. Looking at a list of teams. The franchises that comprise the NFL. I'm still looking, still looking. Maybe the Falcons, they got nobody. I don't know if I really wanted to go to a bad team. Cordill Patterson, Erasure.

I don't know. I don't care. going to go anywhere. He's going to be a superstar. You go to the cults and replace Jonathan Taylor. There's a, who couldn't, you know? I mean, yeah, Jonathan Taylor, you know, running backs don't matter. Damien Pierce, better than Jonathan Stewart. No, Jonathan Taylor.

He is better than Jonathan Stewart. He's a little old. There's also a very favorite, I mean, Jonathan Stewart's new show, I had like 40,000 views on its last show on Apple Plus. So like, you know, running back Jonathan Stewart, comedian, John Stewart, like he could probably be better than 40s. Floundering. The John Stewart's right now, not hot.

No. Go watch the replay of Damien Pierce where his helmet flies off and he still runs through three guys' face to get into the end zone. Didn't count because apparently it plays end when your helmet falls off, but he doesn't give a shit. Damien Pierce. It's probably a good rule. I'm only half taking this. Like, I actually do think Pierce is good. Half purge.

Yeah. You're going to keep half with you. Okay. Who's next? I can go. So lack. Lay one on us. Malik Willis, Desmond Britter,

Kenny Pickett, Sam Howell, Matt Carrell, Carson Strong. Kenny Pickett's going to be the worst of the six. Ooh, really? Ooh, this is spicy. So, if, like, if we were to bucket quarterback play to two general families, it's like, all right, you're going to buy, you have to play from in the pocket or out of the pocket, right?

You're either a really good first reaction on script, dice at the defense, sort of a guy from the inside of the pocket, you know, small steps, manage pressure, help your offensive line out, buy a little extra time, get your checkdown, or you are really good out of the pocket player. You know, skate artist, get outside of the pocket, create a supposed to place down the field, check down with your legs, whatever. Obviously, it would be amazing of quarterbacks for both, but in this, there's only a few of those

guys in this draft, there's certainly none of those guys, right? Willis, amazing outside of the pocket, right? Then you get to the next family. Sam Howell is actually pretty good outside of the pocket. He knows when to scramble, gets there right away. he's like a decent guy moving outside of the pocket. Cool. Krause is actually pretty good in the pocket. Zippy little arm, right?

He's got the ability to get to his check down really quickly. Nice. Carson Strong is good inside of the pocket because Carson Strong literally can't move. So you got to be good inside of the pocket and he has become good inside of the pocket. Pickett's neither. Pickett's supposed to be this like processor, manage the game, whatever, dude. And he doesn't read things out consistently. He'll like be right.

Like he'll like get like a full field concept like corner to shallow and he'll read it out. and he'll get to like the third read. It's the dig. Like that's what you're supposed to throw out. He'll throw it. And in the very next play, I'll get the very same concept and the very same defensive look

and just not get there. And I don't know why. He's extremely erratic in terms of his process. You should be able to watch a quarterback and understand, all right, you're going one to two to three when you get this look.

Like, I've seen you get this look enough against this distribution that this is your process. And Pickett just makes it up. Maybe I'll go to the backside this time. Which is though it's not, there's no like real rhyme or reason there. And then outside of the pocket,

it's like, oh, he's Joe, Burrow. No, he isn't. He's not fast. And he doesn't have a, like, Bro, he doesn't have a big arm. So he doesn't, he's not fast. He doesn't have a big arm.

He doesn't make good decisions. He very often is like, ah, I can make this throw and he can't. I don't, I'm not, I'm very out on Pickett. I don't understand why he's gone first round. I don't actually think he's like worse than Carson's wrong in same howl. But.

That doesn't matter. I'm much closer to home on Pickett being like the worst out of this group than anybody. It wouldn't touch him with a 39 and a half foot pole. why 39 and a half because that's that's that's from the the grinch song oh i wouldn't touch you with a 39 and a half inch bowl

but do do do do do yep in some ways that's like the original purge it's like he started the purge the grinch yeah it's like purge energy you mean when he started doing good things I never finished the movie

he hasn't seen the purge or the grinch He's comparing him. We're more of a Charlie Brown Christmas guy. Not only that, but you don't even know, like, the story of the Grinch? Honest, I kind of forgot it. Look, I'm Jewish. I think I've digested, I'm going to say 83% of the Christmas movies.

I think this is actually another good take purge. I have a lot of thing. I haven't done, like, the Vanessa Hudgens new Netflix stuff. I'm not going to do it. And then, like, the Grinch. You can only do so much animated Christmas stuff. What about the Jim Carrey one? No, I haven't done any of that.

No, I'm like elf. I just owe me a wonderful life you know the classics sure but the Grinch I'm just kind of like bored dang tough anyway it turns out good maybe Kenny Pickett will too he probably won't actually

on that note relatedly I actually the opposite of Solex take which is I think the people the quarterbacks don't matter the quarterbacks who will be good this year are the ones that get drafted by the Steelers and the Saints I don't give a shit who they take including Kenny Pickett Malik Willis

whoever they take those guys will be good. And the, like the Panthers, first round, second round, well, they don't have a second rounder. I don't give a shit. The Panthers quarterback will be bad. The Lions quarterback will probably be bad.

The Steelers quarterback will probably be good. Fill in the names later and I'll stand by it. That's a good take. I really like that. You're all expendable. It doesn't matter. So this is like a real passion project of mine, but it's real.

Like, I really think that the most underrated part of the draft is landing, spot for these quarterbacks. I actually, this leads to another take purge I have also, which is, I think that the draft should stop giving the good picks to the bad teams.

Just stop doing it. Just stop giving bad teams good picks. Because if you look, basically good picks are, sorry, good teams are twice as good at finding good quarterbacks. Like, if you take out the Broncos, because John Elway was just bad at it,

if you look at good teams, just like playoff teams, I count as a good team, or like a team's above 500 over the previous two years. Like if you just, that's like a good team. And then a quote, quote, good quarterback is just any quarterback that gets a second contract from the team, like a big extension. The good teams extend, like sign the quarterbacks to a second contract, like 80% of the time.

They take a quarterback. And then the bad teams do it like 30% of the time. That's because the teams suck. We look at guys like Trevor Lawrence or, you know, all these guys go to these bad teams. And we're like, oh, why'd the quarterback bad? The teams suck. So I don't know. I like this because it takes the responsibility of me being accurate as a fantasy or as an NFL draft analyst.

Like it takes it out of my hands. It doesn't matter what I think of a quarterback or a player in general because it only matters where they land. Draft coverage should start after the draft. None of my stuff. None of my shit is going to be wrong. Right. This brings me to my. What was that?

That I accidentally hit my water bottle. Water bottle. I think this is my home is his home security. This is my purge bell. Because I have to take is coming. Simply safe has been alerted. The sensor's been triggered. This lands me on my like truly great, like my biggest take purge that I've been waiting like five years of my life to get a moment to say.

You're welcome. As a man who got cut his teeth in this field came up in this field covering the draft, all draft coverage is bad. There is no good draft coverage. Yeah. There's that I. Let's watch the player. Okay. 99% of us have no idea what we're watching.

I'm included in that. For the 1% of us that do, there's a myriad of other reasons why a player would succeed or fail. So, okay, let's go to the whole pseudo-psychology of this thing. Yeah, definitely. Getting anonymous quotes from scouts

who are paid like $30,000 a year to have no sleep, live on five-hour energies, and, like, evaluate seventh round picks vibes based off of a 15-minute conversation with them, getting anonymous quotes from coaches who have, like, barely watched these players and also, like, haven't watched

college balls since the 1950s, getting anonymous quotes from GMs who are just like, you know, squirreling for more job security. All of that pseudosychology is horrible. And then just disseminating the quotes is frankly irresponsible. All analytics models are bad.

See, get nerds out of my sport. But Earl here thing. Right? There's, okay. Oh, and here's this is just, though, this is a mock drafts of what I'm hearing. Mock drafts are stupid. There's no reason to do them.

The draft is going to happen anyway. There isn't, this podcast. Oh, guys. What are we doing here? Waste of time. Malik Willis is a project. Hopefully he's good.

That's great. Like everything does no good draft coverage. All draft coverage is pointless and bad. Also, I'm very grateful that it exists and it's such a monstrosity. Otherwise, I wouldn't have a job. This is Ben Solac, who previously was employed at the draft network. The draft network. The drafts.

24-7-365. Here to tell you that there's not a single iota, not a scrap, not a dot of draft coverage that is worthy of anything. This is one big scam. This is the best. Start talking about it after the players land on the teams. That's what it matters.

Think about how much fun it would be to have the beat writers show up to camp and be like, holy shit, guys, guess who's here? Got a roster here. Holy crap, look at number 40 over there. Like, just the entire Falcons B is like, Yo, Monique Willis is here right now. This is crazy.

What position do you play, young man? Yeah, all draft coverage is bad. Thank you for your mind. Great, great take. Love that. I think this is fantastic. And it reminds me of one of my favorite. I think I take purge this last year.

I'll take purge it again. I think the draft is dumb too. I know. That's good. It's not just the draft coverage. The draft is stupid. Elevenate the draft. Drafts are for armies.

Like, why does sports leagues get the draft people? It's ridiculous. This is America. You graduate college and then, you know, different companies offer you jobs. If you're lucky and you get to pick one. If you're really good, you get to pick. And instead the NFL's like, hey, Joe, Burrow, you're going to go to Cincinnati.

And he's like, oh, can I shop around? No. You have to do this. Oh, you're the best software engineer in the United States. You're going to get a job at a shitty startup at a garage. That's how that works. I wanted to go to Apple. Too bad.

They're too good at the workplace. You can't go there. The Bengals are definitely a good, well-run team. All right, no further questions. I feel like I can't really, we can't go back to, like, milk toasts regular. cornerback take.

Yeah, we've gone all the way to like, all media is bad. Here's the take. This podcast is fucking pointless. Shut down the ringer. It's all stupid. Going back to the running back group. No. Should we keep going or just end it there?

Also, Derek Stingley is mildly better than people are making it out to be. Yeah, the take purchase self-actualized. Like, I don't know where we go from here. See, I was trying to sit on this one because I was really worried it was a cliff, but then we got to like let into it a little bit. I was like, right, balls on the tee. I'm going to hit it. Everything is pointless.

There's no reason to live. Eat Arby's. This is the nihilist version. Yeah, I love that. I have a couple offseason takes from outside of the draft that just happened this all season, but I need to purge them because they just happened. We could transition to that if you'd like, D.K. Or do you want to go back to?

I mean, while we're here. Yeah, might as well. I feel like the Broncos trading for Russell Wilson was to, was a business decision to increase the sale price of the Broncos and nobody noticed. Ooh, that's a good one. Like, we're out here like, oh, the AFC West is loaded. The team is for sale, guys. It's like you remodeled your kitchen.

That's what they did. Like, they're going to make another half billion dollars from this trade. And we're like, oh, it's like, I don't, I feel like the football was borderline irrelevant to the owners. This is real genuine leather. They're going to, exactly. I thought you're going to say that the trade for Russell Wilson is going to be an abstract failure. Abstract. Who cares about the

Abject. Abject. It's going to be an abstract failure. As long as we don't put it in any like parameters down, it could be a failure. Fag failure. I think this episode's an abstract failure. Oh, boy. That's good.

Oh, my goodness. What else you got? Hyphitz. Is that it? Well, I just, I don't know. I have more. But that one, I really just feel like it's under, like the opening bit of, like the opening bid for the Broncos is $4 billion.

That's what you need to have just to really stay in the game. They have multiple like four or five offers at $4 billion apiece. But it's like adding Russell Wilson, it really is like a kitchen remodel. It's like within a year or two years, you can now picture, the new owners they can picture themselves winning a

Super Bowl and being handed the trophy. That's got to be worth another half billion dollars instead of having freaking Drew Locke there. Yeah, but what is this? What is your take that the Broncos trading for Russell Wilson is good for business and good for football? okay. Isn't that just good? I think that like it's all, the point is

it's already like the best trade that's ever been made because it made them a billion dollars. They traded Drew Locke in order to make more money per share or whatever. The take should be like it doesn't matter how he plays like Russell Wilson is more important to the team for business than for football. Yeah, he could retire in October

and if they get the sale done by then, who cares? Doesn't matter. Did you see that he bought like a $50 billion house? Yeah, I did. Like the most expensive house ever sold in the Denver area or something like that? I got a question about that house. It has a half-court basketball court in it, but it's very narrow. You can't shoot a corner three.

It's like one of those lap pools. A $50 million house and you can't hit corner threes? What are we doing? That house is incredible. Mike Greenberg actually was on ESPN this morning. I was like, why does he have 12 bathrooms? And I was like, you're right, Mike Greenberg. Why does this house have 12 bathrooms?

You could have fit a three-point pointer corners in the basketball. Just take out one of the bathrooms. He's selling his, uh, he's selling his, uh, he's selling his, Seattle House, too. While we speak, I don't know if it got sold yet, but it's like $38 million. He bought it for like $5 or $6 million. He's selling it for $38 million. It's pretty good. R-O-I.

Wait, which one's on, was the one I saw, I don't remember, because there's pictures going around of his house that he's for sale in Washington and the one he bought in Colorado. Which is the one on the lake? It's beautiful. That's the one in Seattle. That one's incredible. I would pay $38 million for the tree house in this fucker. Did you see the tree house?

I did not. Like a giant, like multiple-level tree house with Ivy covering the entire thing and like a full 180 degree, maybe even more, like 278 degree view of the lake. Like you're in the lake, you're on the lake. Listen, I would pay 38 million for this train house. That we are going to do NFL homes, NFL player homes, and I will sign up. No, we're doing it right now.

We're doing it right now because I actually have another take. While you're doing this, I want you guys to Google, did you see the home that Matthew Stafford just bought from Drake? It happened this week. No. Is it hidden? I have a Matthew Stafford Drake home. so there's two, Drake own three homes in LA next to it

because the rich famous people, they buy like a bunch of houses next to each other so don't have to have neighbors because, you know, et cetera. I looked, so the house that Stafford bought from Drake, if you look it up. He buys two homes from Drake. He bought two of the three from Drake. And they were like $5 and $6 million. Look at the pictures. There's a tweet thread.

I think there's a bunch of, like front office, sports says them. This home is fine. It looks like a house in the neighborhood I grew up. up in. And it's probably $20 million. This house going for $5 million is crazy. Matthew Stafford. This is like a suburban rambler. He can't even bring his teammates to have a catch here.

The backyard's like fine. We have the specs. One of them is $3,600 square feet. I'm imagining that's the $22 million house and one of them is $2,400 square feet. No, there's a private horse trail in the backyard. What does that mean? It's so, there's a trail for horses, but nobody else is allowed. Figure that out.

but how big? I just saw... It's kind of embarrassing that pizza oven had to be included in this tweet. Like, that means there's not

that many cool things in this house. If pizza ovens in top five... This house looks fun. It's one story. It's $6 million for one story house. Where is pizza oven on the rankings of things you want

in your $22 million home? It's not even top 30 for me. I better be... I would like to be able to hit a corner three for $22 million. Absolutely. I'm just anyway. So I,

oh, if you have any thoughts on like the football or just celebrity houses in general, football-specific. Probably emails at ringerfinancy football at gmail.com. Maybe I'm in, maybe I'm not up on the real estate market, but I kind of thought that was silly. I would love to do like NFL celebrity real estate.

Pods. Yeah. We, we should make that a little bit more. I know Amanda and Julietter on that corner with celebs, but I want to go sports specific. Yeah. Ben Simmons has a great home. This is the first time I've ever looked at an NFL player's house and I don't intend on doing it again. It causes me great anxiety.

Yeah. All right. house or paying $6 million for the one story with the pizza of them? Both. I would like to live, like, my optimal living space is like two rooms. Like, you know, like, the, like, the,

pictures you see from Reddit of, like, male living spaces or there's like a TV on the floor. Like a microwave. That's my optimal living space. Yes, exactly. Minimalist. We call that minimalist. No, it's minimalist. It's also just very lazy is really what the real point of Genesis is.

But anyway, so all these houses are. Does anything else spark? then no. Just that's all you need. Listen, living below your means, financially prudent, Ben. Good for you. Save up.

My postmates a lot of food. You do need that. There's a water's edge. Extra money for postmates. Yeah. Do we have more takes to purge? I have some petty crimes that I can purge.

Let's do it. This is like smashing a car window. Yeah. I think that happens without the purge. Happens here in D.C. every day. Okay. So from the same,

the from the same you know band that brought you eight hudgeonton is bad uh trent mcduffey is bad uh trevor penning is bad devon lloyd is overrated not bad he's good but he's bad um and i had one more who is the one more by the way let me stop you there before you while you find it two of the three most heavily connected players to the seahawks right now are trevor penning and devon lloyd at number nine so this is not triggering me whatsoever yeah i feel great about it uh last but not least was Tymoe Winderbaum is bad. Oh.

Some pedigrimes for you. Wow. I thought he was the greatest center prospect in the last 20 years. What happened? Because he has short arms? But he's going to go number one.

You can only play for like five teams, right? It's going to be good for the team he lands on if the right team gets him. But like, I don't know. Like he's not going to go round one. That ship has sailed. I don't understand what you mean if he's bad,

but he's going to be good. I don't know what that means. Bad prospect. Right. But he's going to be good. Ah. Good. If he gets drafted,

it would be Jason. to Kelsey or Alex Mack, then he can maybe pull that off, right? He has a good chance of pulling that off. But like other prospects, it's like,

all right, like let's draft Chris Oliva and then hopefully he'll be our X. But if not, he's fast enough to be our field stretcher and we can put him in the slide. Da, da, da, da, da, da. Tyler Linderbom is not like, oh, let's kick him to guard.

Can't do it. Too small. Like, oh, what if our offensive coordinator leaves and goes to a different, you know, goes to be a head coach somewhere? We got to promote internally because we can't become a power running team

because we got this guy to play in center, right? And so he's good, but he's bad. Take perch. This truly is, this is truly like the group chat take. This is the most chaotic take purge we've ever done, I think. Yeah. Do you want me to fire off a few, too?

I got a couple extra. I found the one more, Boyamafe, edge out of Minnesota. Bad. Bad prospect. You know, that's the thing we should do at some point, which is, as Solick was saying, all the people are just, like, we're all bad at this. we should just look all the other drafts five years ago you just scroll through the draft you're like nice nice nice bust bust nice bust we should do that with these guys good good good vice bus

I want this Ben's list of bad players yeah wow can't believe you were going to take him uh speaking of pass rushers here's a here's a here's a take nick benito is going to get more sacks than jermaine johnson and trevon walker in his first three seasons combined say combined just no just like say combined johnathan taylor say Nick Panino is a better running back than Jonathan Taylor. Jonathan Taylor, you are a sham. So to be clear, why is Jonathan Taylor catching so many strains of this?

To be clear, we're talking about, because we've talked about this a lot, but it's worth just saying again, the first round is a lot of guys who have, like the top tens of the guys with incredible production and credible athleticism. And a lot of the guys outside the top 10 are the guys with incredible athleticism

you can't get anywhere else. Like, but not necessarily guys that are that good yet. And they're playing, they're hoping for the 10 out of 10, but you might get a 3 out of 10. But here's the thing. So Trayvon Walker and Jermaine Johnson are Trayvon Walker is a guy who was not actually asked to rush the passer at Georgia because he was not better at it than the other people in his team, but is going to go ahead of the people that were playing in front of him to rush the passer in college. Like he's going to go first. and then Jermaine Johnson, who transferred away from Georgia, because he couldn't play there to go to Florida State,

is also going to go ahead of the Georgia defenders who were actually good in playing. Like, is that a correct assessment? No, I mean, there's nuance there. I think the way that the Georgia defense works, they're not asking their ends to, like, go on the edge and, like, pin their ears back and rush the passer, which is probably, by the way, why Jermaine Johnson transferred because he wanted to go to a defense where he could just, like,

line up and rush the passer. And it actually worked out really great for him. you know, Trevon Walker, I think, has just risen up draft wards so much because he's such a, he's a rare athlete and he has rare size. But like both of these guys, Jermaine Johnson, Tramon Walker, just give me the hebie-jeebies in terms of like projecting him to the NFL because they're such projections. Like, we don't exactly know what they're going to be. And I think other past rushers in this class, you kind of know what they're going to be.

Like Nick Benito is a guy that I threw out there in this particular case because he is who he is. he's a really explosive bendy fast guy who's like undersized not very good against the run you know maybe a one-trick pony type player but he's going to just rush off the edge with like a ton of blazing speed and energy and i just like him and his like pressure rates were through the roof in college um and i just think at the end of the day he might not be actually a better player but i think he's going to get more sacks i think i like this i would say the same for arnold abacetti at a pen state i don't understand why he's not going to be a better example he's not going to better. I feel like Eboketti is going to be better than Trayvon Walker and maybe better than

Aiden Hutchinson too. There's another round of this prospect is bad petty crimes. This prospect is good petty and Evacetti is one of the names. I don't know Evaceti, good. Good. I feel like he's going to be better than Aiden Hutchinson good. Yeah, well, Aiden Hutchinson, bad. So that's how you know that Evacadis can be better because he's good and Hutchinson's bad. Who else? Who else? Who else is on your list, O'Lek? Oh, who else is the good list? All right. I don't have Acadia edge at a Penn State. Good. Kair Ilum.

Corner, Florida. Good. Roger McCreary. Corner. Auburn. Historically short arms. Bad for Ayn Hutchinson. Roger McCreery's still good. Don't care. George Pickens,

receiver. Georgia? Good. Louis Scene. Safety. Georgia? Good. Quay Walker. Linebacker. Wait for it. Georgia? Good. And last and last not least. Leo Chanel.

Linebacker, Wisconsin. Oh, God, I love that name. Good, baby, let's go. Okay, I have an idea for Ben. Ben, in the spirit of Christmas, I think you should start a character called draft Santa, and you have your naughty and nice list, and it's just your good and bad, and that's it.

It's just good, bad, and you run through it. And I like that, too, because, again, if you just go to each draft, there's only 20 players that are good in each draft. And some of them, and they're dispersed through the rounds, and I kind of want you to just bring me the 20 players who are actually just going to be good. And I kind of don't care about everyone else.

Who gets coal in their stockings and who doesn't? That's what I want to know. This goes back to the conversation Solic was having about how like all draft analysis is bad. Like I think a draft analysis, bad. Bad. Part of that like is honestly, we could waste a lot of time just doing these draft guides

and spending hours and hours. I've been spending like 80 hours a week or whatever putting together a draft guide over the last like several weeks. I could just look at this guy for five minutes and tell you whether he's good or not. that first impression, the first gut, if you just go with that, you're probably going to hit at a higher rate

than just like spending all this time doing it. That's incredible. And like, so like forecasting in general is like a really interesting thing. Like I gamble a lot and I do the draft. Like forecasting just didn't know itself as a science is really interesting. But a big part of it is the more information that you consume about a specific space, there's an intuition.

There's a thought that says, well, we're going to become better calculators. up in our mind. Now that we have more information, we're going to become better at figuring this out. Whereas in reality, the more information we consume, the better our gut gets,

the better our unconscious mind, the better our mind is just figuring out for us and telling us with a quick feeling, this is where something should be, right? We start to train our gut to do the work for us. And that's why my good bad list isn't like actually who's good and who's bad. Rather, it's off of the football I've watched,

the things that I prioritize, the way that I would build a team if I were running a team, Ebikady's good. Ain't Hutchinson's bad. Right? Like, I just like, this is what I would like and this is what I would not like. That's what I've taught my gut to then go back and tell me. And so that that's what that sensation is.

And there is credence that sensation. That's why there's some evaluators who are just good. Some of them. Mike Lombardi had this story that when he was working for Bill Walsh in the 49ers, they wanted to draft Charles Haley. And they showed Bill Walsh, the tape of Charles Haley, that he's a pass rusher. And Charles Haley, he watched two plays and was like, and Charles Hale like knocked the lineman down and got a sack.

And he was like, all right, cool, we'll take him. And you're like, don't you want to see more? He's like, no, if you can do that once, I'll teach him to do it again.

And Charles Haley won six Super Bowls. And how John Schneider found Al J. Collier. Yeah. 50% success rate, baby. That's better than the group of. This is what I'm talking about.

Trevor Penny at number nine, another old, small school senior bowl standout. And I don't even know if you did that well at the senior bowl. But like, this is like the trifecta for John Schneider is old,

small school senior bowl guy. Do you think how much of it is because Iowa is really good at developing offensive tackles and then like northern Iowa is like close. Because they're corn fed. Like they believe this like random like you know like cliche. It's like one association. They're corn fed middle like Midwest boys that are big and strong men. Therefore.

Okay. I have one of the one. It's not related to the draft. It's more of an off-season take, but do you guys have other actual draft take purchase here coming up on the end? No. I have one small one that is more of a fear of mine, but I believe it's going to be true,

and I desperately want my, I want to be wrong. I think Matt Arisa might be a bust. Wow. This is good. I think there's a chance he's like the 15th best putter in the league. And every once in a while, he like gets a hold of one and nobody talks about him again.

I love how Craig says nobody talks about him again, as if we're all planning on, like, really talking a lot about Matt Arise. Well, if he, like, becomes, like, the Shane Leckler type, people, like, knew. He was, like, kind of a household name. Like, this guy's nickname is the punt god. I'm just, I'm dubious. So, all right, right now, you said top 15. Right now can the four of us football fans who cover the league named 15 starting punters?

Oh, yeah, who are the ones that are brothers? That'll be two. On the chief. Colquitt. There's two cold quits. Dustin Colquitt. And Brandon. You got to name them. All right.

Dustin and Brandon. Dustin Colquit. Ray guy. No, you mean active punters? Yes. Correct starting NFL punters. Who's the Australian guy on the Seahawks? I'm going to say, Danny doesn't even know the Seahawks guy.

He's one of the best ones. No, who's the big guy and the Steelers? My God. I'm literally Blakey. Oh, wait. Okay. The Steelers guy is Presley Harbin the Third. That's right.

The Seahawks guy is Michael Dixon. I will give you those too. Michael Dixon. Yes. So if Matt Eliza becomes the top 10 punter, I'm still not sure if you're going to talk about it. I almost said Matt Gay, but he's the kicker for the Rams.

Who is the best punter in the league right now? Is there a consensus? I think it is Dixon. That's why I know his name. Dixon, Colquitt was really good. Dustin Colquitt, I should say. The Rams are Brandon Powell, and I just had to look that up,

and they were just in the Super Bowl. Let's see. Packers have. Corey Bohortez, who I know because I love Corey Bohortez's name. Thomas Morsted is now somewhere that's not the Saints. Washington has Tressway. Eagles have Aaron Zippos.

I'm running out of gas. Aaron Zipos, that looks like a name from like Game of Thrones or something. Mitch Wich Nishmanowski. They were just in the Super Bowl. No, I can't. Bengals on the session with their kicker. Andy Lee. Oh, Andy Lee. Andy Lee. Is he in the Niners?

No, no. The Niners is Mitch Wischnowsky. Colonels. You know what's crazy? I think I knew punters more when I played them and when I played and added more. 100% and then like their name was just underneath and so they punted and I just absorbed all the information.

Shane Legler was like a 99. Yeah. I have never heard of like 75% of these people. That's what I'm saying. Never heard of them. The Bengals punter is Kevin Huber? I don't even, I think I mentally just gloss out on punts. I don't know.

Have you ever heard of Jordan Barry? No. Yeah. Wow. That's my buddy. Have you ever heard of Jamie Gillen? Gien. Have you ever heard of Tommy Townsend?

Yes. He's the chiefs with a hair. Cameron Johnston. Yeah, ex-Eagle. Wait, Tommy Town is that the guy who dropped the ball for the Browns? Are we just playing two punters one lie right now?

Drew? Drew, Drew Christman. Drew Christman? That will be our next one. Email us two punters, one lie. Two actual punters currently in the NFL and then a third one.

But make them start. partners. No backup punters. Emails, two back, like real starting punters and then one lie, which I assume you can put in real ones that aren't playing anymore or if you can make them up. Bonus points is you make one up. Two punters in a place kicker. No, you have to make them up. I don't want you to use an old retired punter.

Use a made up name. Or like, as you can steal a name like he's a center, but like I don't care. I want to be purely made up. Two punters, one lie. Email us at ringer fantasy football g-gimil.com. That would be great. I have one more take that's not related to the draft that it kind of will get off my chest.

I think Tom Brady should have stayed retired. Okay. Me too. Why? Continue. I feel like he went out. Go on. Perfectly.

I know obviously a Super Bowl win would have been perfect. But in the absence of a Super Bowl itself, losing a Super Bowl is like more painful. He went out. Look, first, the regular season led the league in passing yards at 44, second an MVP voting. And then even though he lost in a playoff game, he did it with a 24 point comeback with like 50 or like 20 minutes left in the game.

He did the Falcons come back again. And then his defense blew the game on like the last drive against the Rams. But like Tom Brady went out as a legend. We all looked at each other and were like, this guy could keep playing forever. Now he's going to come back. The Bucs aren't going to be as good. And we're going to blame him for it.

We're getting sick of him. I disagree His last pass was that beautiful bomb to Mike Evans wasn't it? That's like an amazing way to go out. Yeah, it's like a 70-year-old touchout of Mike Evans. But this is, I mean, Hyvin, you're probably right like narrative-wise, looking back historically.

We'll probably say that could have been the best time. Watch him win the Super Bowl this year. But it's just these greedy, competitive guys. You can't stop. You can't leave on top. That is the whole struggle of being that good is you can't leave if you continue to be that good. Look, maybe he plays to his 50 years old.

He wasn't on top. top. I feel like that, I feel like I completely disagree with you that like there's a perfect ending. Like it's not a perfect ending. It's, it's pretty damn good considering. But I think it's, I think it's perfect because it's okay. It's okay. What are you talking about? He was, we'll look back. The man's been in the Super Bowl. Like half of the years he's been in the league. We'll look back at it as a, this stretch where he's with the bucks for essentially, what was it? It's not cheerful. Really like 15 months. He was like 43 and he led the league and touchdown in yards.

And he won a Super Bowl and then the year he didn't win a Super Bowl. Yeah, he second MVP and led the league in yards. That's how we remember. But now it's just like, he came back. Did he want to play somewhere else? The bar is really low on storybook endings. If this is, if you think this is like a perfect way to go out. Yeah, but I guess it's just like look at every great quarterbacks, how their career

ended. Look at Brett Farb. Look at Ben Rothesberger. I guess Peyton got lucky. But like, yeah. Most of them suck. And it's depressing. All of them stop playing when they literally are not wanted anymore.

Exactly what Craig said. Rothschberg was a joke. Manning won the Super Bowl, which was nice, but he also couldn't throw. It was like he threaded the needle. I just feel like if the Bucks are in his good, we're going to be wondering like, hmm, maybe it was weird that he tried to play

for like other teams and failed. You know what I mean? And then there was like, I don't know. Like, Ariens isn't the coach. He's kind of running the team in a way. Like, I think that Brady's going to get a lot more blame if they aren't as good. It's a good take. I like it.

Thank you for purging. We're going to get sick of it. Anyway, I'm very happy to have been purged. So with that said, I think, I think that, I think the take purge has concluded. Oh, is that the sirens? There it is. There it. Oh, that's weird.

That's conveniently played as we finished. Wow. What are the eyes? I hear them in the distance. Yes. I, uh, I feel cleansed. I feel relaxed. I feel better.

The, the take bloodletting is over. Wow. that was that was beautiful um i'm very excited to continue with our excellent draft content which has a lot of value and our mock drafts that are really never get over the best time of the year's covering the draft it's really just great and i'm excited for all of you who are still with us here digesting this wonderful draft content that as you all know is always perfect okay check out dk's NFL draft guide with mock draft and the draft many hours working on it's been up for three months so should have just gone with

my gut and said good or bad, but that's fine. All right. We will have, so the draft begins next Thursday. So we're going to have another episode for you this week, and then we have a lot of episodes coming to you guys next week. Thank you for sticking with us. Thank you to Craig.

Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Solek. Thank you, Chris Sims. Thank you, Chris Sims to take God for truly inspiring this episode. And thank you to whoever makes the purge. I don't know who does that. I don't know either.

We should probably watch the movie at some point. Watch the movie before the next time we do this. Thank you, Lauren. Thank you, Frank Ocean. Nice. For bailing on Coachella? Did he? I guess he didn't bail.

He just ended up pushing back because he was the 2020 show. The Purge is directed by James Demonico. Demonico? Yeah, kind of. Demonic. Produced by Michael Bay. That's how you know this is pure kidding. us.

Burge is produced by Michael Day. Yeah. That checks out. Yeah. We don't even anything to like disagree on right now. Like we're all very serene. That's because we've, we've been exercised. Yeah.

Yeah, we're cleansed. All right. Goodbye everyone. Peace be with you. Boom.