The Ringer NFL Show - The Teams Who Became Contenders After the Draft

Episode Date: May 3, 2022

We put a bow on NFL draft season by discussing the teams who most changed their fortunes for this upcoming season. Later, we say goodbye to Ben Solak with a special pop culture edition of America’s favorite game, Two Jargons One Lie. DeAndre Hopkins Suspension (3:55) 2022 Draft Winners (8:11) Two Jargons One Lie (38:40) Check out The Ringer’s 2022 NFL Draft Guide. Email us! [e-mail]. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Ben Solak, and Craig Horlbeck Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Yeah, that's how it's going to go. Well, everything's temporary until it's permanent. But no, I don't know. So if you're new to the show, we're usually the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. And we kind of, you know, we changed their art. We changed the title for draft season. We're going to be going back now. So this was a lot of fun.

We're going back to Ringer Fantasy Football Show. And if you were with us before, back to regularly scheduled programming. However, unfortunately, that means Mr. Benjamin Solek will be leaving us. This is his final episode here. Temporarily. temporarily. Temporarily. I like how it's like,

all right, we were talking about the draft, so Ben was allowed here, but now we're talking about fantasy football. And Ben sucks at that, so he's going to leave now,

just, you know, more than fair. Hyfe, it sucks at it too, but he was here from the beginning. It's tough to get rid of him. We could just vote someone off the island. No, it would be me. I would get voted off.

After the Mike Davis take, I don't know if you can come back. Yeah, come on. Let's not sell yourself short. You were the best man at the wedding, which is very important. By the way, don't say I went to a wedding.

it was a little bit more official than that. You were the best man. Just wanted to say that one more time. Hi, Vince, I don't know if you saw two people got married at the draft. Why didn't you have your friend do this? What? Yes, they got married on stage in this middle of the sixth round. That's the wedding I was at.

I told you how to go. Are you Ed Baranaro? Oh, I did hear about that guy. This is a terrible beginning of the pod, but the guy who just took over the stage at the beginning of the draft, I will say, he inspired a lot of my best man speech. When he was like, you know, it's hard to find a sports guy.

in purple and I hope you appreciate that that's what I said about my suit it was like this rental was difficult to get and I hope everyone who appreciates it but no one got it though I started talking about my apartment in Ithaca New York 50 years ago it was great it really was a big hit okay anyway so again just to be super clear we're gonna be the ring of fantasy football show if you subscribe to us

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everything's the same. Okay. For today's episode, we're going to go through the teams that most improve their teams for this season. Because we're always talking about like the future and like development

and it's like, whatever. Yeah, who cares? We're going to talk about the now and like the teams that actually got better for this year. Also, I have a list of just questions I want to ask you to from,

I was checking my phone at the wedding. It's why just things I was like, what? And I just want to ask you guys about. Yeah. And then at the end, we will say goodbye to Mr. Ben Solek with a special two jargons,

one lie. That's right. But first, I just want to start with DeAndre Hopkins. He was suspended for six games for performance enhancing drugs. He's going to appeal. We'll see what the actual suspension ends up being no word on if it's the willful or muscle lubricant. We'll have to check in on that. But I want to just throw

Solek to you first. Does this explain why the Cardinals gave up a first from Marquise Brown? I hope not. Because if they knew that their star receiver was going to get to spend it for six games and they were like, we have to trade a first for another receiver right now. That's not good process. I wrote about the Cardinals draft and they're, including the Marquis Brown trade a little bit in my like post draft column thoughts. And the Cardinals are just

such a reactive team that it honestly wouldn't surprise me if that was part of it. They were like, oh, Markis Brown might be available. Oh, whatever. Oh, and also we're not going to have DHOB for six games. Let's just like, that's the bit that pushes us over the edge. I don't think that's why they did it. I don't think that's a good reason why they do it, but I do buy that story. Like, that is feasible to me, whereas, like, a lot of other teams, cough much better managed, actually well-managed, forward-thinking teams, and cough would probably not have done that. It's good that they have Marquis Brown.

It's going to be even better when they have Brown and Hopkins together. It's just they clearly paid a bit for Markees-Brown, maybe more than they should have, especially in light of the A.J. Brown trade, and I'm not even sure they're going to get out of Markees-Brown what they want. So it's a tough spot. Good on Baltimore for pouncing on the NFL. opportunity there to kind of exploit Arizona. Yeah, it's kind of like you have that

dumb guy in your fantasy league that you can kind of just target and you're like, you just target the same few people all the time. And that's kind of what the Ravens, you know, it's working out. D.K., do you, does this change anything about your view of like the Cardinals going getting Marquis Brown, not A.J. Brown? No, not really. I kind of agree everything that Ben said, you know, it's, I assume

this wasn't like a complete reaction. It may be played a small part in their decision to go ahead and do that because Marquis Brown, unlike some rookie receivers, you know, can't, in theory, at least hit the ground running and be like a big part of the offense right away. Whereas some rookie receivers might take a little bit longer to develop, you'd have a little more uncertainty. Marquis Brown has the built-in chemistry with, with Keller Murray. So I think, you know, it was maybe a small part of it, but I doubt it was the main reason they did this. I think ultimately they just want to get more talent, have the ability to be more dynamic and explosive second half of the year, especially because they've been really struggling down the stretch,

last like two or three seasons. And so I just think they needed more fire. They felt they needed more firepower. To be clear, you guys don't think they knew this when they made that trade, though, for Marquis Brown? I think they do. I think they knew, yeah. Okay.

But I'm saying it wasn't the reason. It was maybe a small part of it, but it wasn't the reason they did it. Yeah. Now, man. It's column A, column B. I feel like they knew and the impetus. If DeAndre's out for six weeks and the suspension holds up, man, Kyler's going to be throwing a Marquis Brown, A.J. Green, and Zach Ertz.

Yeah. And Trey McBride, their second round pick a tight end because they finally got good production out of a tight end for the first time ever in Cliff Kingsbury's tenure with Zach Hertz last year. And they're like, this is sick. Let's draft one in the second round. You have no cover men. You have no defensive tackles. Stop drafting based off vibes, Arizona. Consecutive offball linebackers in the first round and neither out snapped Jordan Hicks. How did this GM get an extension? They're so reactive. And I feel like the reason they couldn't get A.J. Brown. is they pay J.J. Watt and all these old veterans this money, and now they're committed to... Don't get me started on J.J. Watt. Hassan Reddick got out of the building. One year, $6 million deal with the Carolina Panthers

because they had to pay J.J. Watt. And then because they paid J.J. Y.J. Yadne is now with the Raiders. All this team does is just chase shadows. It's like, oh, J.J. Watts available. Here we go. And they don't even think about what happens next. And now... Sounds cool.

Right. They drafted... They signed Jordan Hicks. They drafted, as they even calls us. They drafted Isaiah Simmons. Does anybody remember who the starting linebacker was before all that happened? Devonre Campbell, who was a key cog to the Green Bay Packers. Everybody leaves Arizona.

It's just good. I don't know. Man, maybe we should get a new coaching staff in the building. Again, I just want to say, I think Steve Kime is like Jason Bateman and Ozark, and he just was like, uh, uh, Colin Murray, Cliff Kingsbury. And he said his job. And now it's a good analogy. It really is.

Laundering money. Okay. Let's get to the draft picks that influence teams this year. we just always talk about the future and the development. Let's just put that away for a second. This season, now it's like we're looking at September. Now the DK is so close, the precipice of having a life again, being able to see your child, all those nice things that come with having a life.

You've been able to breathe. Who is the team that you look at? And you're like, for this season, you're like, this draft, push them closer to the playoffs or push them closer to a Super Bowl? Okay, so I think we need to eliminate the teams in this category that would be considered cheating because there are a few teams that it's like a gray area.

The Cardinals, which we just talked about, works a good segue. I'm going to not include Marquis Brown in this exercise. I'm going to not include A.J. Brown either. Sorry, Ben.

That doesn't count as a draft. Bad take. Bad take. I'm also going to not, I'm going to exclude the Broncos and Russell Wilson, the Browns to Sean Watts, and the Raiders,

Devonte Adams, and then the dolphins and Tyree Kill. All those are off the time. table because technically they did use their picks on those guys, but this is not really part of the point. I'm going with, and this is ironic, there's two teams that I think to the best, Bills and Chiefs. I'll stick with the Bills first. And by the way, these are like the two best teams in the FACC. So I had the same two teams. So that's a little scary. So like what the hell? I really liked the Bills first round pick of Kyra Elam, quarterback out of Florida. Like he just to me looks like

a day one starter at a strong position of need for them, obviously just generally in the A see you need cornerbacks because there's a million good quarterbacks in the conference now, but also because Tradavius White will be coming off of that injury. It just gives them so much more cushion at the position, more depth, everything that they need, talent there. And I think that's going to help from day one. Their second pick, James Cook, from Georgia running back, I'm very intrigued with how this is going to go because they haven't really had a very dynamic run game over the last few years.

They basically, like, Josh Allen is their run game, more or less. We've seen flashes of it from Devon Singletary. But obviously with them picking a guy like Cook in the second round, I think they see him as a major part of this offense. There was rumblings prior to the draft that several teams saw James Cook as like an Alvin Camara type player where you can kind of use him in the passing game. He's a good runner, but he's not necessarily going to be a foundation runner, but like just utilize him all over the offense.

I heard, you know, prior to the draft, he wanted to do receiver drills at like the combine because he sees himself as a receiver. So, like, I just think he's going to be a very fascinating player to watch. And I think if he does turn out to be what I think they envision him to be, he could make a major, major impact on this offense. And then the third guy that I want to shout out here. Well, there's two more guys. First, Khalil Shakur, the fourth round receiver they got out of Boise State, I think could be. Good ball player.

Early on in his career, in theory, he could compete for snaps and be like another dynamic threat on that offense. And then matterize a punt god. Yeah. Yeah, the bill's got a punter that can actually kick it further than Josh Allen can throw. Just piss. piss missiles, that's Craig putt. Just piss icicles out there in the Buffalo Coles. They punt the least in the league, but they're going to

punt the best in the league. I know that you guys talked about this this weekend, but Craig, I need to hear it from your face. How does it feel for, after all this, your punt god is the third punter. Take it in the draft. You know why I like it? Because he has a chip on his shoulder. This is perfect. This is exactly what he needed. He's a group of five punter, and now he got drafted like a group of five punter, so I get it. This is what we've been

doing in the Mountain West forever. Yeah. You remember all those thought experiment articles we used to get about the 04 quarterback class? What if Manning was stayed with the Chargers? Ben Rosbergh. What if he was a giant? It's going to be that with punters in the 2022 class, baby. Like, what if the Ravens took matterize ahead of Jordan Stout?

How would that change the landscape of the league? They're playing this year. It's going to be a big matchup. Yeah, absolutely. Is this proof that Bill Belichick needs to retire? Probably. Yes. But the punter thing or just anything? I'll take anything as proof that Bill Belich used to retire. That draft class is offensive. Okay, so Bill's excellent draft glass.

I agree, D.K., I feel like it's just an incredible team. The rich get richer. Yes. Yeah. Well, I would say that about Buffalo is still kind of hilarious. I'm still getting over there. So lack, other than Buffalo, do you agree with DK that Casey's the other team that jumps to your mind? Casey, sir.

They're up there. Yeah, absolutely. I wouldn't say that the Chief's like super stand out to me. I continue to be generally suspicious of the Chief's defensive backfield because I didn't love Trent McDuffie. right so they get McDuffie at 21 who's a player that like people thought could be like a top 20 top 15 pick personally for me like he to me to me to me I didn't rate him above Kyrielem I didn't rate him above Kyler Gordon right and so the whatever team got McDuffie wasn't going to like full send for me and the team that got him is a team that still desperately needs outside corners so it's it's like now it's not even McDuffie covering twos it's McDonffey covering twos which I don't love and hopefully I'm wrong on that but George Carl Laftis is great the more I think about Sky more the more I'm really excited about that and I'm not even a guy for who like loved, love Skymore. There were people who were like,

Skymore in the first round, that wasn't really me. They got a receiver from a home's name, Sky. That's just kind of awesome. Yeah, exactly. Out of Western Michigan, the more I think about

how many targets were vacated by Hill and the fact that like neither Juju nor MBS really walks in with like the clear established, I'm going to be an 80 plus 100 target plus guy. Like Juju, you kind of want to say that, but you really can in terms of like the money that he got and whatever. Sky Moore's got a big opportunity.

Love Brian Cook, love the O'Shenel. So like I like a lot of, what the chiefs did, but their first round pick to me was always going to be a team where I was like, I wouldn't have made that selection. So that puts the chiefs at a bit of a difficult spot. Who is your team then? Well, the Eagles absolutely deserve to be.

I think you can take, D.K. said we're going to not conclude the trade things. I disagree. Let's tweak this to the trades that were made like before draft weekend are exempt. Exactly. Let's count the Eagles. Yeah, that is how I did my grading. Okay. So let's, let's include the Eagles like in the trade.

Yeah. I actually kind of agree. as a person who roots against the Eagles in the East, I am deeply unhappy. I'm deeply unhappy. The Eagles kind of walked through, like they finished last season with two major questions, right? One question that continues to persist is,

can we do this with Jalen Hertz? In the first year of Jalen Hertz, the four games we got when he replaced Wentz, it was like, all right, looks like maybe he could be a starter. And then clearly last year he was like a solid starter and they made the playoffs. Then they got absolutely boat raised by the box. And it's like, all right.

Now the next question is, Can this guy be a playoff quarterback for us? Because if he can, he's a second contract player. If not, we're in a little bit of quarterback purgatory. In order to figure that out, they needed to get a receiver that worked, right? Like every first round of the second round pick, they've invested. Yeah. They've invested so much in these rookie contract receivers and it just hasn't gone well.

Like, Devante is their biggest hit. And even then, it's like, all right, you need to have two receivers in the modern NFL. So getting AJ Brown is absolutely enormous. He's 24. He's an unbelievable middle of the field receiver, which is an area Jalen Hertz can't access right now. It's the exact sort of player you need to force yourself to answer the Hertz questions. Can he be a playoff guy? Can he work that middle of the field, so on and so forth? The second question, which goes understated because Jalen Hertz is such a big deal.

Can Jonathan Gannon work as a defensive coordinator? Can this defensive structure fly, right? This, we're like sit and play zone. We're not up safety. He's 18 yards back. Like, can this work for this young coach? Jordan Davis in round one, Nacobie Dean in round three. Humongous additions to that regard. Job's not done. They need more safeties. They want a Tyrant Matthew, the Saints got him, whatever. But Davis, like, even with Fletch and Javon Hargrave being defensive tackles on the team, it looks like it's not that big of a need, but they needed a true noseguard. They needed a true two-gapper.

And Davis is the quintessential. He is the paragon. He is the ideal of two-gaping. And then they needed an actual rangy linebacker. They need a linebacker who can make tackles in space, sideline a sideline impact. And that's Nikobi Dean. There's still gaps. They need a better coverage backer. Nicobe's a little bit too small to be a good coverage guy. Like I said, they need safety's corner two is still a question. But they made huge strides forward in answering those holes on defense,

right, plug in those gaps, which is necessary to figuring out if they want to stick with this defensive structure and if this is going to work for them in Philly. And so huge steps forward in that regard. The other teams that, in my opinion, deserve mention there, are the Falcons. In terms of just winning more games, Drake London is an impact player. Arnold DeBakatey is an impact player. Tyler Algier, a necessary picket running back. they cut Mark Davis.

I don't know what the Mark Davis take was. That was the incredible organic moment maybe in the history of this podcast. Yeah. Mike, Mike Davis. Mike Davis. Mike Davis.

Yeah. Solac. Sure. Why not? Explain what just happened to if we tried. All right. Cool.

High Fitz was, I'll all explain it. High Fitz was a massive Mike Davis stand last year and then he was a complete bust. Yeah. So Mark Davis. All right. He got cut.

I don't know if it ever felt worse about the Mike Davis is in right now. For Tyler. Alger. And then Troy Anderson, developmental like linebacker as well. Guy's going to get on the field and see you're obviously a good athlete. Falcons won some more games and the Bengals did. Really good

Bengals draft. Multiple defensive backs that they needed in Daxon Hill, Cam Taylor Britt, who's going to fight for their corner two job and Tyson and the safety out of Toledo and then Cordell Wilson. I talked about on the Saturday pod, I think it's a fourth round pick who can start a guard and the Bengals continue to need starters on the offensive line. So Bengals

who are in Super Bowl team last year. I don't know if you miss that. They are, they're going to they're going to win more games this year? I'm very weird in terms of where I'm falling on the Bengals right now. But I love their draft. Also, don't believe in them as a team. We got to figure this out.

The Bengals have a good draft every single year. That's just all I'm going to say. I think so. I can't remember the last time they didn't have a good draft, like at least on paper, you know. I remember the year they drafted three linebackers, the Jermaine, Pratt, Logan, Wilson, Akeem Davis, Gay, three years.

I think it was two years ago. I was a little bit like, you can't be doing that. That's just wasteful. That's just excessive. What is just out here talking about the Bengals draft? And I'm thinking about it, so luck in his last episode, just called him Mark Davis and I had no idea what the inside fit was. Just no clue.

I can't believe. Classic. It's the most, I've never been dunked on more by anyone, this entire company. Glad to be here. In terms of teams having immediate improvement, I mean,

what about the New York Jets? They won four games last year, and they seem markedly better now. I kind of think it's cheating to include the teams who truly suck. But like, you're right. I had the Giants of the Jets. Isn't that the whole point of the draft is you get excited

that your team, will no longer suck. Is this the whole point? I guess this is a fun game. They'll be meaningfully better. Let's put it this way. Let's tweak this. Well, I don't, I mean.

So let's tweak this. If we're actually going to play this game of who improved the most for the season, Jets last in that division last year, could they come in second place this year in the AFCs? Not saying it necessarily make the playoffs, but if the bills win, we all agree the bills would win, are the Jets better, let's start here.

are the Jets better than the dolphins this year? What are the chances? I mean, they could be, but I doubt it. I think we're really good at forgetting that the Jets had the worst defense in the league last year. That's how I feel. And that's kind of why I feel like they didn't get that much better. We're always like, oh, I wonder if that's a lot takes a step.

Yeah, I wonder if the whole defense takes a step, man. Like, that's my big question. Literally most points, most yards and most first downs. They allowed almost twice as many points per game as the bills did. So I think I guess. I kind of hope they have a terrible defense. So they just have to pass a lot and like. And that's part of it, right?

if the offense is better, the defense is it on the field as much. And then time of possession balances out, and then you're not going to give up that level of volume. So you can do fantasy football. So lack, there you go. Well, listen, I can gamble. Gamble is a lot about pace of play, right? A lot about possessions.

But in general, like, I like sauce Gardner. I like Jermaine Johnson. They made good picks. They could not have made a bad pick because every position had a hole, right? And so I think that they got better. I do. I just don't think they're better than the dolphins.

I don't think they're better than Patriots. Giants? Well, that's what I was going to say NFC East But actually The Giants though Is it the draft At why they're going to be a lot better

Or is it just the fact They have Brian Dayball And smart you know Like And Daniel Jones just plays better They didn't get better during the draft They got better during the undrafting That happens in January

They got better They also fired their director of college Scouting it. Joe Shane's cleaning house Joe Shion Shirean Shahn Shahn

Shahn Shahn Shep Blue Stein I don't know. Can you say blue Shane? Big blue Shane? Blue shine?

I don't know. That's perfect. That was good. That was good. The only other team I wanted to mention that no one talked to. Well, the Ravens, who's annoying,

but that's half because they have so many injured guys between injuries and COVID last year. Right. For the last two years. I feel like then just adding Kyle Hamilton and Linderbaum is kind of unfair. Yeah.

The other one's just the Saints who were kind of panning because they gave away the future first, like I kind of think the Saints might win the NFC South last track. They've beaten, they're like four and oh against the bucks the last two regular seasons. Like, I kind of think for this year. You think the Saints are going to win the NFC South this year? I kind of do, yeah.

I don't. That's insane. We're talking about giving away this year only. They gave way future firsts. They have James Winston as their quarterback. Yeah. They're coming off at ACO. Tom Brady's not beating them in the regular season.

And the game that they won against them in the playoffs. He's going to go in six against them in the regular season? kind of yeah you know the story of deadelus and icarus where deadless makes icarus wings and he flies too close to the sun and it melts the wax and he dies right Greek fable what they don't tell you is that

closer to the sun flying above icarus was mickey fucking Loomis who just doesn't care about anything the fact that the saints looked at this roster and they were like

trade up for chrysalave draft trevor penning who like Trevor Penning is not ready to play in the NFL in my opinion. This is hilarious. To be clear, what the Saints did was bad for their long term.

But they've been doing things that are bad for the long term for eight years in a row. It's unbelievable. That's why he was in the sun, Mickey Loomis, and still the wings weren't melting. He was born in the sun.

If they don't get burned this year, right? Like they're paying Tyron Matthew $11 million a year. Tyrant Matthew last season was not playing at the caliber of $11 million per year player. If they don't get burned this year,

Mickey Loomis will never die. He's immortal? He's drinking. from the fountain of youth, and he would never be stopped. What was really fun, wow, I just came with this, would have been a much better idea

for this episode. What was fun was being at the wedding and everyone asking you about the draft and I had to, but you're, you know, it's not a podcast. I had to summarize everything in like one sentence.

Which now that I think about it would have been a fun thing. How did you, what was the sentence? Well, for the Saints, it was the person who like, just keeps going back to the ATM for more money at Blackjack,

even though they've already overdrawn their imbalance. What's the Adam Sandler movie with the uncut gems. Yeah, yes, that's the same. Exactly. I've actually seen that, but that's the vibe of just like that, that horrible feeling hanging over you at all times.

You're like, why are you living this way? By the way, it's fun to podcast with Ben Solac because I learned about Noah recently, as Noah said, Goberts. And then now I'm learning about Icarus and deathlesser. That's Greek. Deadly, I don't know Greek. Dettling, I don't know Greek. Well, when you say, when you say learning, we should emphasize, learning wrong things.

learning lies. I don't remember Mickey Loomis being one of the Greek gods or whatever, but it sounds right. Yeah, he's in there. He's in the audience if you read it. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

It's kind of like how Ian Hardiz tweeted out this week one of a fantasy writer buddies, he tweeted out that DeAndre Hopkins was suspended and he was tested positive for two kinds of anabolic steroids and a beaver tranquilizer. That's dodgeball, right? Which is the dodgeball quote,

but the people who don't know. People took it and ran with it, I think. So people just saw that and thought it was real because he has a lot of followers. Who would not know that that was a dogbook quote? And who would subsequently Google Beaver Tranquilizer with a question mark? Because they didn't know for sure.

Solock, don't you worry? We have quite the two jargons and a lie for you later. Yes, we do. We're going to get there. Okay. All right, should we just tease it now? Yeah, sure. So we're going to, we have enjoyed two jargons and a lie

so much with Ben Solek where we, when we started this pod, one of the first meetings we had, draft jargon came up and we were like, what is a way to make fun of this ridiculous shit that we have to say over and over again? And the thing we came up with was the two jargons in a lie. And I think it's been one of the most fun seconds we've ever done. But also getting to know Ben Solick's been very fun.

So, D.K. Craig and I have all come up with our own two jargons at a lie, specifically geared for Ben Solac to try. I don't like this at all. This is dangerous in that. He feels attacked. Should we do this now and then I'll get to my wedding questions? Let's just do it now. You want to do two jargons online now?

Middle of the show. He can't wait. He can't wait. Two jargids and one way ambush. Let me just ask. I have a couple questions from my wedding, not my wedding. Yeah, to be clear, you were the best man. Yeah, he wasn't, and it wasn't the groom.

He was for, right. He was for the best man thing. The, okay. I have a couple serious questions and then I have very not serious questions. I just want to ask you to Dek and Salk this before the draft, and I want to just follow up. I come back from 20 years in the future. now that you know the teams. And I'm like,

there are three guys in this draft who are Hallfamers. Two in the first round, one not in the first round. Give me the names. Don't give me the whole spiel. Just give me the names. All right, I'll go first, I guess.

Derek Stangley, corner, Evan Neal, tackle. And the day two one was tough. You can give me the teams too. I went, Evan Neal for the Giants. Highfitts is very proud of that. What was that? He's like, oh, just make sure you say that the team name.

Make sure the Giants will have a whole family. Yeah. Stingley went to the Texans. And then Nikobe Dean, I guess. I don't know. What? Like, he's a first round talent, and he's, like, an amazing person, and he fell because of injuries.

I'm like, this is the kind of guy with, like, a chip on his shoulder, go do his thing. I'm just throwing it out there. I don't know. Day two guys are hard. Well, now we're, I'm blending things, but this was my other question as we're at the wedding, which is, I see Jacoby Dean falling. I mean, you know, a lot of people thought he was going to be a first rounder.

He was invited to the draft. He had the best draft outfit. He wore like a hat. it was really cool. So my question was, why did they invite Nicobi Dean to the draft if he was a third rounder?

Because they don't know. Yeah. The people who do the invites don't know anything about the team boards. Matt Carrell was invited. They're supposed to have a concept. We are all,

listen, if the four of us were responsible for inviting players to the first round of the draft, we covered the draft closely for three months. We would have invited Niccobee Dean. We would not have invited Matt Carrow

because we know what we're about. But we would have invited, into Kobe Dean. It's unbelievable these guys. I kind of can't believe. So that's the thing I missed was what was it like?

Did they stop showing them on television? There was no like green room, I guess, on day two. I don't think they weren't doing that thing where they like were showing the guy all sad in the green room or whatever as far as I could remember. That's a fun pot idea for next year.

We should hold on to that like the players we would invite to the first round to day one. Oh wow. That definitely should be an episode. Speaking of on that note though, actually this is a good point about the draft at large. like in general the draft intelligentsia as you like to say it like everyone associated at least tangentially with the draft

like no one fucking knew the quarterbacks were going to fall this far yeah no one knew well I literally wrote it for the ringer market didn't know we all knew that they were like this was a bad draft class no one knew that it was going to be third round four round I did right I did put in the pre draft if you read the ringer dot com pre drafts I did say there would only be one quarterback taken in the first round did you say there'd be only one quarterback taken in the first two rounds that would have been if I maybe I could edit the CMS in there yeah I'm about a say just I mean I only my I only screenshot from the article aerial 12 you know well grace yeah but like that

to me that was like a big storyline of the draft at large like the quarterbacks fell like much much further not just a little bit further than everyone thought like orders of magnitude further than anyone thought that would happen so with that said I'm a I've been radicalized to believe that the quarterbacks where you go is just as important, if not more important than the player itself. The prospect is half, and then the other half is like the place. Now that these guys have all gone,

so what is it? It's Sam Howell went to Washington. Desmond Ritter went to the Falcons. You got Macquariello went to the freaking Panthers. I'm not counting Kenny Pickett because he was the first rounder. And then Malik was to Tennessee. And if you want to go to, Sam Howell,

yeah. Bailey, I guess, to the Patriots. Who do you think has the best chance to be an NFL starter in eight years. Still Ritter. It's a good system for Ritter, right? I mean, like, we talked about it on the comms. We talked about Tannhill.

Some people talked about Mariotta, right? Really kind of emphasizing the athletic system a little bit more. But quarterbacks with whom Arthur Smith has worked previously have a similar mold to Ritter. And to me, Ritter's got polished on his game. Polish that can get him on the field in year one. And if you want to be a starter in eight years, you got to be a starter sometime in the first 18 games, right? You got to be able to get on the field to start getting reps. So to me, Ritter is that guy.

I completely agree. And also I just want to say, I think Matt Corral and Sam Howell are already going to wash out to see because they're ending up on teams that I don't think those coaching staffs will be there in two years. Yeah. And so it's like, and that's kind of my point. Obviously, the first rounders is different. But I mean, Baker, the one thing, Baker was a little whiny about wanting a trade of course from the Browns. But the one thing he said out loud, which is the quiet part is he had what, four head coaches. And I think four different offensive coordinators in four years.

That's freaking crazy. And I think, you know, Matt Corral and Sam Howell seemed like they're absolutely on that path. I mean, yeah, we saw the same thing with Mariotta too. You know, we see a lot of quarterbacks. Exactly. And he also had a nerve injury that no one is throwing arm. No one talks about. Right. Right.

It's like, it's wild. Anyway, I have a much more important question for you too. Yeah. Why did the Jets keep drafting players with the same name as their existing players? I love this, by the way. I keep checking my phone and I keep thinking I make a mistake. List them off here. So the Jets, last year the Jets drafted two different people named Michael Carter in the same draft.

That alone. years. People as the hell. This year they draft Garrett Wilson and their quarterback Zach Wilson. So now they're going to have the Wilson to Wilson thing and God, the amount of New York Post headlines you're going to see. Then this year, they draft a running back named Breece Hall, even though

they already have a quarterback named Bryce Hall. Are they trying to save cardstock with the draft cards? They're just like scribbling out a letter and handing it back like, what? They're making it easier on the fans who already have the jerseys of guys that are eventually going to wash out of the league apparently. And then you just like, don't

to get in New Jersey. Although I guess the numbers are a problem, but you can always just use tape. That's like the Cowboys. They drafted Tyler Smith and they have Tyron Smith as well. T.Y. Yeah. The Patriots did something

where they have guys with similar names. I can't remember what it is now. Oh, it was descriptive names. They have, yeah, they have like four corners with the last name Jones. I think it is.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. They have the old Bama guy. They drafted Marcus Jones. They drafted Jack Jones, and there's one more. But I think it's just, right, in general, my running theory is this. You ever, like, cover a game, right?

Regular season, you get to the press box a couple hours early. It's what you're supposed to do. You got nothing to do, right? You're sitting up there. You're, like, ready for things. You're chatting with people. And there's always that big team roster that they give you in the press boxes, that big, huge piece of paper.

And you just, like, look through it because you're going to look through it. I got nothing else to do. They're just putting nuggets in there for you. They've thought about the media. They're like, you know, it would be fun for the media to discover it. They forget. And then they then find out during week 12, there's two Michael Carter's on the Jets.

Isn't that handy? So to me, it's media Easter eggs. This is my running theory. I think that Bill Belichick does that to cater to the media. I like that. That's convincing, isn't it? Yeah. The Searck's drafted guy named Kobe Bryant with the scene.

Hell different. Yeah. So I went down the Wikipedia Rabbit Hall. Obviously he was named after Kobe Bryant. He won the Jim Thorpe Award as the best defensive back in America, like the college football award. even though he went to Cincinnati and played with Sauce Gardner

how did we go all this time and not mention that Sauce Gardner wasn't even named the best cornerback on his own goddamn team because this isn't about the players it's about how awards work what do awards recognize production why was Kobe Bryant productive

because nobody wanted to throw it at Sauce Gardner right Kobe Bryant had like 17 PVUs and seven interceptions why because it was better to throw at him than throw it the other guy so he just had oodles of opportunity to produce that other great corners weren't getting on their teams.

So he wins the Jim of Thorpe Award, and Soss Gardner wins the I have a top five pick contract award. And the scales of the world are balanced. Do you think Kobe Bryant loves or hates Soss Gardner because of that? It's like, come on, man, like I'm getting all this shit thrown at me, like constantly. They're just trying to pick on me. This is bullshit. This is bullshit. You know it.

You know it once in a while. Honestly, in terms of like prevalent defensive back mindsets, because corners especially are the most confident cocky sons of guns. that have ever existed. Kobe Bryant probably loves it. Because every time they test him on third and six, he gets a pass break,

I was probably like, yeah, because I'm better than sauce gardener. And he believes that 100%. He's like, that's that thing. You should be torn at him. I think he has that.

I think I've heard him talk about how he's got like the Mamba mentality and because it's like, you know, nominative determinization. It's a determination. What is it called?

Nomitimimism. Determinism. Determinism. What is happening? Which means like, if you have a certain name, it means you're, you gravitate naturally

like subliminally to something or whatever. So I think people whose last name's doctor like disproportionately become doctors. Like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Yeah, yeah, that's a better way to put it. So if I name my son Division I one athlete Solac, I'm more like, I mean, yeah, you might want to shoot for pro sports athlete

Solac. Imagine if you bottomed out, you're like, it'll be good, but never that great. Shoot for the atmosphere, not the stars. I know what my gene pool is. I think it's a little too much dip on my chip to be going for pro athlete. Yeah, we've talked about your ankles. Semi-pro.

We talked to much about our ankle health. I got a little too much dip on my chip. Is that how you said? You got some great sayings. I'm going to miss Solai. The other one, you know what I love? Because I was listening to it. I'm like not able to participate.

And honestly, it's really fun to enjoy. You know what it's phrase I'm going to miss the most from Solac? When he's talking about a prospect he likes and the prospect's like a large person and he's like, oh, he's a healthy young man. That one's one of my favorites, too. It's just you're looking for a nice way to describe a three-year-old. of 30 pound you're like well healthy.

All right is healthy that young man We just big young boy We just did the The rewatchables was on Austin Powers The first one And it's coming out Monday night

Monday night at 9 o'clock And the premise is that Austin Powers He lives in the 60s And he's frozen for 30 years And he's he's you know Thawed in 1997 I feel like Solac It was frozen in 1970

Which would honestly It would track because that would also explain well I have seen no movies from the 90s or 2000 I was in the ice floss So like I imagine Mark Twain talks Got too much

Dip on my chip We talked about that accent's gone What's that accent Transatlantic The Transatlantic accents gone And Solac has like twinges of it He really does That's a healthy young man

Yeah What's the main Carnival Barker now Christmas movies again A Wonderful Life Yeah Jimmy Stewart. What's remaining of his hair?

Yeah. You got too much dip on your chip as a vine reference, which I think that's where the majority of my material comes from in terms of things that I say that are funny. It's not actually me. It's just me referencing vines because that's what I grow up with. Vines. Oh, wow. Vines.

Are you on TikTok at all? No. That's Vine 2.0. No, I disagree strongly. My experience of TikTok has been that that is not the case. The magic of a vine. Exactly. The magic of a vine.

was in its brevity. And TikTok does not put that restriction on you and thereby kills the humor. So what do you do now? So what do you do now? I'm on Twitter. Okay. I mean, I'm going to just on Twitter. Yeah. So on this note, I want to just shout out because Solick, this is your last episode here. And if we haven't said that yet, keep bringing it up, dude. Jesus Christ. He's coming back eventually. He's coming back. I wanted to read. I'm trying to be nice. I want to, an email from John I want to read that says, I have greatly enjoyed Ben Solick's contributions to the podcast. Thanks, John. I love the way he calls people brother

like a corrupt Southern church pastor There's been a lot of Ben Solac likes in this episode I don't know how I feel about any of them I was thinking like the email continues I love the way he appends baby To the end of his sentences like a younger Less jaded but just this neurotic version of George Costanza Okay

He combines the enthusiasm of youth With the avuncular mannerisms of a much older man He's everything I'm not And everything I am He's the whole package And if he doesn't return for the podcast next off season, I will feel the loss deep within my Lions. Good callback. Wow.

I really appreciate it. I thought it was such a heartfelt and well-constructed message. And then Lions was at the end. And I was like, you're a rat. But it was very sweet, John. Thank you. And I also want to say that from Matthew, while listening to Day 3 NFL draft show, you opened by mentioning Weezer performed. Solac didn't know who Weezer was. And then D.K threw out the song title, Say It Ain't So. And then Solek proceeded to begin singing all the small things by Blue Party.

too. We got a lot of tweets about that. And Matthew says the mistake went uncorrected, I thought it was important. I don't remember this. Did he's telling me? I didn't remember him doing this song called Say it ain't so. Isn't the song that goes, say it ain't so?

You're telling me those are not the same? Was he like, say it ain't so? Like in the two? No, he went to say it ain't so. He did what he just did. Oh, okay. And no one mentioned this. I just assumed the song that went

say it ain't so. I will not tear me home. I assumed that song then called say it ain't so because that seems intuitive. I was saying in songs defense, there are so many songs I know like the words too that I don't actually know the names of. Yeah.

Like way more than I realized. Like an iceberg. It's like the songs that you know the title too is like very small. True. Yeah. You guys make fun of my music knowledge. Come on. Let's get to two jargons and a lie. Well, they used to make fun of me because I didn't know like any current pop music.

Which is true. We make fun of how niche your music knowledge is. and how specific. Well, it used to be because you were doing the outro and you're like, shout out Drake and we're like, can you name a Drake song? I don't even know Drake. So, so like, Hotline bling.

Nice. Write that one down. Wow. Wow, look at that. Weird because that song came out of Vine. So I don't know how he knows that. Hotline Bling. That's a lovely tune.

Hotline bling. He was in the box doing a peculiar dance and it was on the internet. Yeah. The dance that spawned a million memes. Solek, because you have a light knowledge of pop culture. We have put together some two jargons and a lie for you. And I kind of want to go first because I think you're going to get this, but I had to just find out. So we quite did this.

These are all pop culture related to two jargons on life. They're not really jargon, just two pop culture references. It's not jargons. They're just things. And I just, I need, we've abandoned jargons all together. It's as if the game Two Jargots in a Lie had a cousin called,

I don't know, hypothetically, two truths in a lie. Let's just make that up for fun right now and then play that game. That's a great idea. Holy shit, yeah. Two real things,

one fake thing. We can play it while it's drinking. I think you're going to get the Solek, but I really just wanted to know. So two truths and a lie. Members of the Beatles. Okay. Yeah.

George Harrison, Aldous Snow, Ringo Star. Ringo is definitely a member of the Beatles. what were the other two names George Harrison Aldous Snow Alright this is a trick

because Aldous Snow seems too silly to be fake and George Harrison seems so generic that it would be fake but that's why it's a trick so Aldous Snow is fake George Harrison is real No wait wait wait

Aldous Snow yeah George Harrison is real Aldous Snow is fake Are you sure? Yes We're going to put this pot up Final answer Yes that's obviously

that's correct. It's correct, but you didn't know why it was correct. You don't know why? Yes! I fucked it. All right, I feel vindicay. Good deduction, Sherlock. George Harrison and Ringo and the Beatles and Aldous Snow is Russell Brand's character and forgetting Sarah Marshall.

In other words, like the most British name that could think that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is a good movie. You went full Craig there, Ben, though. You were like, hmm, how would hyphids have devised this? You got to understand. What you just saw it there externally is what internally happens anytime anybody makes a podcast to reference on a football podcast, right?

We're all the time. Like, I'll just be on somebody showing them. Like, oh, yeah, reminds me of that one time that the godfather said this. And I'm always like, yeah, it sounds like something godfathers would say. Like, true. This is like, every time I talk to Simmons, and he references basketball, I'm like, sure. Yeah. You just do some quick math in your head.

You're like, I'm going to make a generic statement. And hopefully it seems like it could apply to whatever you said. Because like Seattle doesn't have a team, which you know, Bill. Yeah. Craig or D.K. wants to go next. I'll go next. Hey, me. One for one, baby.

Two Katie Perry songs, one lie. Katie Perry, pop singer. Are you familiar with her? Fireworks. Here are her songs. I will read them to you now. Teenage Dream. Fat-bottomed girls.

Hot and cold. Fat-bottomed girls is a lie. Okay. You know what? It's because of the vine. As soon as he said the vine thing. It's not because of vines. It's because I watched a decent amount of glee when it was on Fox when I was in high school.

Ah, rats. they sang Teenage Dream. Derek Chris, I believe, sang it, and it was very beautiful. And hot and cold was on Just Dance, which was on the Wii. And that was, we were bump in. Wow.

We're learning a lot about his generation, right? Oh, yeah. No, my parents felt very strongly that if I played by the video games, I was going to kill somebody. So I played a lot of Just Dance growing up. And Katie Perry, hot and cold was on Just Dance. Nice.

Do you know Fat Bottom Girls? What song that is? Yeah. They make the Rock and World go around, Craig. Oh, right. Who's it by? Queen. Nice. Had a Queen CD.

Man, I know some things, baby. Let's go. Maybe we were too easy on him. Were any of you guys alive when like Columbia House was a thing where you like join these mailers and you like, it's like a CD club where you buy? No, mailers? No, I was not. No. I was. Were you at, we're going to view alive when Netflix mailed DVDs. Is a mailer what Rob Harvilla once tweeted about where it was like, they used to be like, hey, we'll give you a coupon and we bet you're so lazy. you won't even put it in the mailback for free money. Is that like a mailer?

Kind of. Netflix used to mail DVDs? Stop. Stop. That's... You seriously don't know? I knew you could go to Blockbuster and get DVDs. That was Netflix's whole model.

That was their original I think, is they sent you DVDs. And for the record, I'm talking about, like, Columbia House, and I think it was BMG or something like that and was like, you join. And if you don't send in a thing, they just send you a show. shitload of DVDs or CDs and you have to pay for them. So it's like basically they're just banking on people like forgetting to like say you don't want any

in a given month. And then you have like for instance, queen show up at your door. DK. What are you talking about? I'm so lost. People that were born in the 1980s or like whatever will understand, which is a good segue to my quiz. Okay.

1980s bands named after places. Oh man. There might be like, look, 1980s is like a little vague. Some of these might be like officially formed in the 70s. I'm the only one that was alive during the 1980s, so I'm just going to throw this out there. Okay. And it's more than three because I didn't want to be too easy.

This is the final boss level quiz. Here we go. Berlin, Boston, Chicago, Dublin, Europe. This is unreasonable. You're saying names cities and continents. Correct. And you're supposed One of those is not a real ban?

One of them is not a real ban. I'm going to do it again. You started. Okay. Berlin, Boston. Chicago. Dublin. Europe.

Asia. I don't want to be a person who knows the answer to this question. So like, for full transparency, D.K. told me the answer before, but to be honest with you, I would have gotten it wrong. I knew all of them except two. I didn't know the fake one. And then there was one other I didn't know.

Okay. Boston is definitely real because people from Boston love Boston. Okay. Berlin was very politically relevant, so that feels like it would be real as well. I love the deduction. Berlin was very politically relevant. Well, yeah. Yeah.

I mean? Dublin, France. Europe and Asia, both. If you're naming a band after a continent, that's very bold. You'll never be the biggest Asia in the world. I promise you that. You're topping out as the second most important Asia. I'm going to say Asia.

You're probably the band's going to be more famous than Boston or Berlin. That's true, actually. Good point. I think Asia is fake. All right. Incorrect. The fake band is Dublin. I am not,

I did Google it, and I'm not 100% sure there are no bands called Dublin, but no famous very worldwide known fan. I'm not going to lie, D.K, I would have guessed Dublin was real. The one that I thought was fake was Berlin. same i thought berlin was fake too Berlin is take my breath

away you remember the song from from Top Gunn yeah that's damn wait they used a song named Berlin in a movie about the Cold War The band is Berlin I mean it was the time it was made during the Cold War wasn't it

or like yeah see I'm not gonna lie I kind of thought you were gonna cop out and Berlin was gonna be like some like small band and then you're like actually the most 1980s thing that happened Top Gun See that's that's the mistake y'all made is none of y'all went after movies. Movies is the weak point.

Movies and television. But what would we have to do? I would just name movies made in like the movies that exist. No, no, no. Go ahead right now and name movies that you think so, like people should have seen. Wait, Craig, we did the Judd-Apato one. You had that earlier too. What?

Oh, named Judd-Aptow movies? Yeah. But here's a great example. Who's Judd-Apato? Okay. Well, you might know the names of the movies. Are you serious? I don't think he's going to know the days of the movies.

Is he an actor? No, he's a, he's a right- He's a cinematographer. Okay. If I did, okay. That was a joke. Here are three Jet Appetown movies. One's fake.

I'll just... Knocked up, one more night of sex. I love you, man. It's knocked up the one where Michael Sarah's somebody. No? It was a good guess. Blanket guess, yes.

Because, yeah, he's in a lot of those. But no. I recognize none of the three of those names. Wow. So, one more night of sex. Final answer. Yeah, that's correct. Wow, suck it.

Craig screwed it up. I did screw it up because I was just like, I was trying to come up with like, what's a Jed Abbottowie's sounding name, has to do a sex? Yeah, The 40-year-old Virgin. Knocked up was with Seth Rogan and Catherine Heigel,

and then what's, what it? I love you, man, Paul Redd and Jason Siegel. Great movie. Oh, that's nice. Haven't seen any. Haven't seen 40-year-old virgin. Michael Scott, is Steve Carell? He's in that one.

Super bad? Have you seen Super Bad? Yeah, I've seen Super. That's a good movie. That was very funny. McLeaven. The grin on his face. Oh my God. The grin. Yeah, I've seen it. You haven't seen The Godfathers? Have you seen Titanic?

I haven't seen The Godfathers. Probably, I know the Titanic. I know like pieces of it. Somebody plays the violin. Boat sank. Yeah. There was enough room in the door. I haven't like seen the movie.

Boat's sake. I just you pick up enough of it. through the process. I'm familiar with the Titanic, boat sake. All I know is that he could have survived because there was enough room on the door. Maybe.

And that's a big item of constation. Oh, and also this thing. You do this. No one can see me right now, but I'm spreading my arms. Yeah. Which is the Titanic thing. Oh, man.

See, I appreciate this because Solex is vulnerable. The reality is everyone feels this way about something, like many things. that we glides through life. I'm just happy to provide this level of content, right? I did it to show. I was on Mina's show the first time.

Mina just ended the show with being like, hey, how do you feel like? She was like, what does Steve Urkel say? And I was like, something about being Steve Urkel, man. And then she got really mad at me. Like people just, it's fun for people to be like, this child who apparently lived under a rock until he was 19. Let's talk about things he doesn't know.

The Steve Erkel thing, Hyphitz, do you, Heifitz? Yes. This is the new girl bit where Jessica Day just steals, did I do that with a bunch of Solek millennials, and they all think it's hilarious. But I don't think, I think Solek not knowing did I do that is not really because he's like not pop culture literate.

It's just, I think there's probably a lot of people who are age who don't know, did I do that? I agree. sneakly. I think Urkel is more of a saved by the bell millennial than a SpongeBob millennial thing. I think that we got it because it's quoted so much. Well,

I watched Family Matters in a little bit. I've no, like I've ever seen an episode of Family Matters. I just note the clip. Nope. No family matters and no SpongeBob. I'm a millennial with no just pop goals together. Yes.

You're really close to Gen Z. You're young, millennial. I am Gen Z. I was born in 97. Oh my God. Who decides that? I don't know. I think it's the Census Bureau.

Yeah, something like that. The Census Bureau decides it. But apparently like 97 is the cutoff. Some federal agency. I don't know. Yeah, I was born in March 97. So. Gen Z are over here.

Let me just go download TikTok real quick and eat some tibodds or something. Right around then. I have a final NFL draft two jargons online. Oh, yeah. Perfect. Because in the pre-show, you kept on being like, and then also the two dragons one lie finale.

And I was like, oh, I got to make sure it's a good one. I didn't know it was Ben Solac. I could do jargons one lie, which was also not jargons. Which you passed with flying colors. You did. Go team. Except we kind of glossed over that he did not know the Beatles, but it's fun.

I knew Ringo and then the other one's name. Ringo. So he says? Isn't that what it is? He said Ringo. Like ring with a dash. Like the ringer. Ring with the dash O.

Ringo. I thought it's Ringo star. It's Ringo. Ringo. Hard G. I'm not saying. Rino. You're doing Sagi.

Like Ringer. So it's two syllables. It's Ringo. Yes. Ringo. Not. Ringo, it's Ringo. Yes.

Ringo. Why is that simple? Because it's spelled by Ringo! Okay. I admit then, I did not know who the B, I know, did not know the individual Beatles. Did you know, by the way, that Beatles is a pun? I didn't know who they were. B-E-A-T.

Yeah, I did that. I spelled that way. Okay. I'll admit I never realized that until you guys told them. I never thought about it. Okay. So, wait. I want to hear Solix two jargon.

in a lie. Okay, NFL drafts, Jargans, last time to ever play here and at home. Temporarily. Except for next year. Out of respect for Saul, we're going to pause this until he returns. So this is the last one for a little bit for two jargons and a lie. Yes, that's true. Yeah. He's a $15 cab ride to get around. Ooh, that's a good one. He's a trained circus elephant. He plays the piano well.

I think trained circus elephant is grim and, a little possessively, which is why it's real. Totally part for the course for NFL team. So I think that's real. Which means just what? It's like a big lineman

who can move well? Or somebody who can like take over? Yeah, he's a large person that we can train like an animal which sounds like something NFL scouts would say. Yep. How did you, what's the cab one, $15 car ride?

He's a $15 cab ride to get around. He's a train circus elephant plays the piano well. I think the cab ride is fake. Okay? plays the piano well feels I feel like I've

heard the phrase I'm trying to think what the context To describe a pianist Yes you have heard the phrase Someone at a pianist Concert Yeah Titanic

Boat Sank I got that Boat Sank I'm there Boat Sank I'm there boat Sank Um I can't believe

It's Ringo That's ridiculous It's just Ringo there's a G in it I said Ringo Well we didn't hear the G We had to put this on Twitter This is unbelievable

It sounded like you said Reno Star No I thought he said Ringo Yeah like the ringer Where you don't really hear the Ging oh Like the pronunciation was just a little bit false Ringo Yes because I've never heard it said out loud

I've only seen it written I've only seen it written All right Craig thinks cab ride I think it's piano Think it's piano As is only appropriate For the final

Two Jargues of one lie It was all true all three of these are real. Oh, trick. Trick. According to draft discussion lingo, which is a website I found. It's pro football side.

It's pro football sidekick.com slash draft discussion lingo, which is a website I found. It looks like it was made in 2009 and then never touched again. Like your pop culture. Knowledge. Yeah, exactly.

And 50% of these, I have just never heard or seen you. And so I immediately said, I'm not accessing this sheet until it's time for the grand finale. I could have taken, he likes the buffet. Okay.

Which is, I mean, that one's obvious. No, it's not you think. It's a player who picks and chooses when he is going to get involved in the play, which doesn't even make sense,

relative to buffets. Yeah. That doesn't make sense. That's weird. He's a ball of knives. He's a cat and mouse tackle. D.K. loves ball of knives, though.

D.K. uses ball of knife. Rolling ball of butcher knives is the one I've heard. Yeah. Oh, Yes, yes, completely different from what's the... He uses his meat hooks well. Ooh, I like the meat hooks one. He's a beer truck.

All of these, by the way, are linemen. Runaway beer truck is one of that I'm first. He's always describing large men. You know a percentage of the jargon? I feel like 80% of the jargon is about linemen. Now, and now the best, the absolute single best thing is that also on this sheet is he's not on my board, which now has gone, like the rest of these have all died. They're all anaphras or anachronism.

It's like Latin. Yeah. Then he's not at my board. It has become, like, more than jargon. It's truth. It is the only thing that's ever said ever at any given time, which I found interesting. Anyway, so there you go. So the last two jargons of the lie was itself the lie.

Yes, three jargons, yes. And that is how the game always stays ahead. He's not on my board is real jargon, right? Because we learned we've been doing idioms. Isn't he's not on my board actually jargon? That is actual jargon. Yeah. Yeah.

That's jargon. Wow. There was only one jargon at the end of it all. We have found the pot of jargon at the end of the rainbow. And it is, he's not on my board. Someone tagged us on Twitter the other day during the draft process. So like during the NFL draft post-draft pressers, I don't remember who said it. Someone like a scout or a coach or something or GM said one of the players has some shit in his neck.

He's got some shit in his neck. Yeah. Is a term. That's too far. means you're like nasty, tough, maybe a little bit crazy. I don't get that. Why does that mean that? I'm not sure why.

Get some shit in his neck. Next year, we need to have make up some good ones. We're going to have Chris Ryan come help us, and we're going to insert them into the DK's draft guide. And we're going to organically just try to get people to start using them. We're going to see through osmosis if people will just start using these terms. Little Easter egg hunt in the draft guide. Promote clicks, get the game rolling too?

I like it. This is clever marketing. should we go our separate ways or should we do one more funny two jargons at a lie just run it back one more two vice presidents in a lie aliceare cargill skyler colfax or hannibal hamlin i didn't even have time to calibrate to two vice presidents in a lie until the name started to come alice cargill skylacler cofax hannibal hamlin for our international listeners yes this is the american vice presidents but we don't know them either so uh gut i'm saying cargill's fake that's what i was thinking I think Colfax is fake

because you said that name is pronounced Skyler? There's never been a vice president Skyler. There's no way there's an American vice president named Alice. The first like nine American vice presidents were not Americans.

Dude. Yeah. That's a good point. Yeah. What are you talking about? Damn, bro. Where do you think American? But we know the first

founding fathers were found. These are like obviously like dudes from like the 1800s. I like how high of it's like Alice there doesn't work for me. but Skyler spelled S-C-H-U-Y-L-E-R and Hannibal. Those are fine.

Those are good, hearty American names. Aldous Snow was one of the original vice presidents because... We skipped over that Seleck really considered that. Ringo. Ringo. Skyler is fake.

Final answer. I think Alistair is fake. Skylar fake. Alistair is in fact the fake one. Nice. Shoot. Son of a bitch. What was the name?

All right. Alistair what? We got it. D.K., you and I chose Cargill. So Skyler, Colfax and Hannibal Hamlin were real vice president. which is... Technically, I gave two answers, but that's fine.

Okay. That's all we got for the Rehnifil Draft Show. We will be converting the name of this feed. So we're going back to the Ring of Fantasy Football Show. If you're subscribed to us, you don't have to do anything. Arts going to change, name's going to change. We'll keep coming to you. If you haven't, subscribe to us or just search for the Ringer Fantasy Football Show

wherever we get your pods. So lack, we will have you again as soon as we can. This was truly a lot of fun. Thank you for joining us. I learned a lot. I had a lot of fun, but this is... Honestly, this has been awesome. was a delight.

Hell yeah. It was a great time. This is the first draft season I've ever not been at the places where I started doing this. You know what I mean? So it was a point of transition

for me and you guys were very welcoming and it was a really fun time. And so I'm excited to be invited back excited for next year's draft season already. Will Anderson, baby, overall number one. Yeah, give us your top 32

for next year. Mock draft now. All right. The good quarterback, some of the good receivers, the rest of the Bama Def Chart. There's my top 32. There you go.

Honestly, we should just clip that and like you don't you should just keep that and that will work. Keep that running. That'll be that'll play. All right. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig. Thank you,

Soak. Thank you to Ringo Star. Ringo. Most of all. Thank you to Mark Davis. Oh, I forgot about that. That was good.

RIP. Thank you, Lauren. Lord. Thank you, Kansas. Oh, it's another place. Wow.

After naming six place names, he was like, let me just throw in a seventh, show off my first. stuff. No big deal. All right. More fantasy football coming for you guys this week.

Well. Hopefully there's not actually a band named Dublin. I'm just going to say that. It might be. All right, goodbye.