The Ringer NFL Show - The Top Five Moves of the Last Five Days

Episode Date: March 22, 2022

We highlight the latest moves at the quarterback position and assess the current state of the QB market before ranking the five most important moves of the past five days. Later we play America’s favorite game, Two Jargons, One Lie, and play a listener-submitted version as well. QB Market (4:40) Baker Mayfield (20:36) Matt Ryan Top Five Moves (31:27) Davante Adams —> Raiders (37:46) Juju Smith-Schuster —> Chiefs (39:56) Allen Robinson —> Los Angeles Rams (45:51) Robert Woods —> Titans (47:47) Von Miller —> Bills (56:53) Two Draft Jargons, One Lie (63:14) Listener Two Jargons, One Lie Check out The Ringer’s 2022 NFL Draft Guide. Email us! [e-mail]. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Ben Solak, and Craig Horlbeck Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I am joined by Danny Kelly, Ben Solack, and Craig Rollback. We are coming to you every Tuesday and Thursday to talk everything NFL draft. And we got a mock draft for you. Go to NFLDraft.org.com. DK has his latest mock draft out. It's post-free agency. Post the next round of free agency. DK, do you want to sneak preview what's your hottest new take in the mock draft?

Malik Willis is going very high in this draft. That's the hook for you right there. Beautiful. You can check that at NFLDraft. ringer.com. We're going to roll through a lot of DK's mock draft picks on our next episode. But we're recording this Monday, March 21st, and we thought Free Agency

was like mostly recapped. Not really. My God. A lot has happened. With March Madness, baseball, and football, this weekend was insane. It is nuts, especially just the weird stuff with the MLB lockout where you're getting like Carlos Correa to the twins, but also like Matt Ryan

to the cults. Like it's just weird. Freddy Freeman to the Dodgers, you just like, it's a lot. A lot of things are happening at the same time. just in the five days since we last recorded. Devante Adams to the Raiders, the chief son, Juju Smith-Schuster, the Rams signed Alan Robinson, Rams traded away Robert Woods.

I mean, and then David Ojaba, who's the Michigan defensive end. He's one of the top 20 prospects in the draft. He tore his Achilles at a workout. Baker Mayfield's probably going to get traded soon. I mentioned Matt Ryan just got traded. Marcus Mariotas going to the Falkins. It's like so much is going on.

And there's a lot of cool stuff to get to. But before that, we have to start with the Browns trading for Deshawn Watson. And I'm sure everyone has seen the news that Deshawn Watson was trained. but the details in case you forgot. The Cleveland Browns have traded three first round picks and change to Houston for Deshawn Watson.

But the Browns didn't really pick Deshawn as much as Deshawn Watson picked the Browns. And Watson picked the Browns because the Browns gave to Sean Watson by far probably the best contract in NFL history. Five years, $230 million, fully guaranteed. Nothing like that has ever been given out as a contract before. And between the draft picks and the money, the Deshawn Watson trade is. probably the biggest investment in a single person any team has done in the history of professional football. And they invested in that person despite the fact that 22 women have filed

civil suits against him detailing accounts of sexual misconduct and coercion during massage sessions, including two accounts of sexual assault. And I think the fact that DeJohn Watson ultimately had as much leverage as he did in determining his location and dictating the terms of his contract, it just reinforces the most cynical beliefs about how the NFL works, the most cynical beliefs of how the world works. And even though we should not be surprised that this is how it went down, it doesn't make it less disappointing. And there's a lot of different disappointing aspects to the situation.

I know Solac and some of our friends at the Ringer NFL show dealt with a lot of that. last week when the trade was announced, you can go to that episode and listen to that on the NFL show. Today we're going to focus on the implications of the Sean Watson trade in terms of how it affects the draft and the Texans having two first-run picks and really the subsequent dominoes at quarterback. The two big things I think that come out of it, really, it's Baker Mayfield.

He's going to get traded somewhere now. And that just kind of changes the whole dynamic of who else needs a quarterback and then really where these quarterbacks are going to go in the draft. So let's just start with Baker. Baker requested a trade before the Deshawn Watson deal actually happened just when the Browns were trying to get Watson. And Baker wanted to go to Indianapolis. So the Colts just traded for Matt Ryan.

So he's not going to Indianapolis. We're going to get to the Matt Ryan Colts trade in a bit. But the Falcons were, you know, they just signed Marcus Mariotta to replace Matt Ryan. The Saints just re-signed James Winston. So Baker's kind of running out of teams he's going to go to. So, D.K., as you see it right now, you want to tell us about this quarterback. landscape. Who even needs a quarterback right now? So the Seahawks and the Panthers, I guess, are the first two that come to mind.

Obviously, you could throw in a couple other teams that could still use. Yeah, like Houston. I think even Pittsburgh is, you know, a team that not necessarily completely set. You know, there's a couple teams like that, Seattle. If you're talking about in terms of Baker or the draft. I said Seahawks first. Don't worry. Don't worry. I've said it three more times. Just to make sure it's in there.

Damn you. So, but I think honestly, like the two big ones right now, it feels like are the Panthers and the Seahawks. Um, you know, as of Monday, it's 1.20 p.m. Pacific time. It doesn't really feel like the Cocks are going to make this trade. Baker Mayfield does come with an $18 million plus cap hit, uh, for 2020. And so I don't even know if the Cocks can get that with all the Cocks that they've made over the last couple of weeks or last week or so. And then also they, I think they still have to get a quarterback. They still have to get an offensive tackle or two. So I don't know if the Ciox are really set up right now to go get a guy like Baker Mayfield. Maybe if he gets released, they could sign him. Um, and honestly, that's kind of where it's, it. feels like it's going. Like, I think Baker Mayfield may end up just getting released. Which is nuts. Yeah. You think he's going to get cut straight up?

Maybe. I mean, so look, the Browns obviously signed to Sean Watson for all this money. And then they traded Case Keenum and then they signed Jacoby Rosset to be their backup. So it feels, based on those moves, it feels like they're just moving on for Baker. Like, and this relationship is- Baker's never taking another snap in a Brown's uniform practice or otherwise. Yeah, that's for sure. But, like, they treated Case Keatom because Case Keatom was like the veteran.

and teacher for Baker. They don't need him, but like, Baker's gone, but you don't think anyone will throw a draft pick out for Baker? Well, I think it's the 18 mil. It's the 18 mil that is the problem. Yeah, but where's Baker's status right now in the league? Like, I know he had a bad year because he was incredibly injured, which I'm, I don't think people are really talking about enough. He was incredibly injured this year. He kept hurting his shoulder, which is obviously a big deal. Yeah, like, is his stock lower than it should be, Ben? I don't, like, honestly, it's kind of funny. I was thinking about that when I was prepping for the pod, like, trying to figure out how much is the league like this draft class?

And it feels like they like it more than Baker's 2021 season. We have found like the floor and now we have to figure out like where the ceiling is in terms of how much they like it. Just because you haven't seen this response for Baker. For me, I think that the, I don't think anybody's expecting to get a high caliber starter out of Baker anymore. I don't think anybody's expecting to get Kirk Cousins out of Baker anymore, which I think Baker was squarely placed on that Kirk Cousins scale last year.

I don't think anybody's even think we can get there. So, what, you're getting a golf, right? You get like a discount Kurt Cousins out of Baker. Goff was a throw-in part of the Stafford deal where the Rams also had to send extra picks to make the Lions take on the contract. You know what I mean? Danny's point about the, I think it's $18.9 million is very well taken. That's the amount of money Baker is due this year.

It's his fifth year option. Yeah, 2018, 19, 22, 1002. I always have to count. Fifth year option. Because he has three accrued seasons, that number is negotiable. Baker is eligible for negotiations. So there's a chance that you give him a extension, but it's not really an extension.

It just lowers that number and it makes a little easier to trade for him. I wouldn't be surprised if we see a similar narrative to what we saw with a Martin Cooper from Dallas, where it was like, all right, we've been trying to trade. It looks like we're going to cut him. And then a little bit later, it's like, oh, we got to trade. Because the team, once the team realizes, like, all right, we can move the Browns off Baker for like nothing.

Then there becomes a little mini bidding war for, all right, are we willing to spend a sixth to make sure where the guy who gets him, a fifth to make sure where the guy who gets him. But we're looking at that sort of territory, right? Like day three pick and a throw-in, you know, veteran player in a day-three pick, something like that,

on order to get Baker onto your team. This is the former top overall pick. That's just kind of crazy. Yeah. I think so, but it seems crazy when you said that, but I think that what helps is if you kind of go through the teams that still need a quarterback.

And I think there's two buckets. There's the teams who definitely need a quarterback. But really, it's just the Panthers. Like they still need someone for this year. year. Poor Panthers. Kind of just the Panthers.

And if they got Baker, how weird would it be if Sam Darnold and Baker were on the same team? They're the top two picks in one draft. And they're not, they're kind of friendly. Darnold and like Josh Allen really are like good friends. But like Donald, that would just be weird. And they also would both be on the fifth year option, which would be strange. I know.

I was going to say it like it's ironic because they already gave Donald his 50 year option, which is 18.9 million. So like they'd be paying two quarterbacks almost 20 million, you know, to duke it out. Right. Listen, when the Browns drafted Baker and the Jets drafted Darnold, both expected that eventually they would be paying $40 million for that quarterback. The Panthers get to play $40 million for both.

What a win. It's weird. But if you go through the other teams, now there's a bunch of teams that don't, they don't have a quarterback of the future, but they don't need to get one this year. They can wait until 2023 with a much stronger group. So that group is the Falcons, who now could ride Marioo until they get someone.

Detroit has got golf and they could ride golf. They have Seattle, has Drew Lod, who I kind of think Seattle might do it with Drew Locke. They might roll them. They've got the Giants who I think Daniel Jones, Tyra Taylor, they're very happy to play that out. Pittsburgh. The Eagles have Jalen Hertz.

Yeah, the Steelers have Trubisky, but they need to get someone else eventually. And then the Texans are, the Texans, it seems like the Texans are fine with Davis Mills for one more year. Yeah. Love that. As they should be.

First of all, big picture, that is six teams in the NFC and two in the AFC. That's crazy. But the other one is, when you go through that list, is Baker just already a backup quarterback? Is he ever going to start a week one again? I think you could start a week one this year.

I think he could, if he lands in Carolina or if he lands in Houston, I think that's going to be a camp competition situation, assuming no other rookie quarterbacks are added. And even then, if it's not like a trade-up for a first-round guy, we typically see that be camp competition. Like even Trey Lance's year was camp competition, right?

So there's a chance, right? And we have to remember that you've activated Baker's trap card, right? The whole thing with Baker is that he is a vindictive son of a gun. He's like MJ. Just way worse. Yes, exactly. Just not as good at his sport. Way worse.

He's like baseball MJ. Baker Mayfield is Michael Jordan baseball era. And so you have, I do think we're going to see a healthier Baker and a more motivated baker. And I do think that's a better Baker Mayfield than the one who was in Cleveland kind of, you know, throwing darts at Duke Johnson for not, you know, for wanting to be traded out of Cleveland

when he was like, right, you know what I mean? But I do think like in terms of draft lessons, right? Because like Hyvitz, you said like, this is astounding me,

this was the first overall pick. The draft lesson here is about Kvon Tibido. It's about the way that players who have big personalities get talked about and consumed by NFL general managers, right?

One of the main reasons Baker went one in a class that had Sam Donald and John Josh Allen and Josh Rosen, all of whom were top 10 picks, and then also Lamar Jackson, who was 30 second overall or whatever. One of the main reasons Baker went one is because of the way he behaved. And that was something that John Dorsey and the Brown's team at the time read as cool.

This is how we want our quarterback to be. That's ironic. We want him to be this angry, motivated guy. Exactly. And then lo and behold, it turns out that that doesn't look as fun when you're expecting this guy to be a professional while you're losing some football games. And you realize that while he was at Oklahoma, you didn't really see that other side of this.

Because Oklahoma, they don't lose a lot of ball games, right? And so the way that Baker was understood, and then the fallout of that is a big part of why I don't think there's a market for him. I think on the field alone, teams would want Baker in the building. But the Browns have done a big job in, like, referencing that Baker is not the sort of, you know,

professional personality. They need a quote, quote, an adult in the room, as Chris Morton said, right? Which is like horrible. that in context. Anina, adult in the room implies that Baker's a kid.

And NFL teams don't want to bring that kid in. So then you look at Kavon, Tibido, who isn't like Baker in terms of like the vindictiveness or isn't like Baker in terms of the, of like,

you know, the kind of moxie or whatever. It's just like he has outside interest and he's a big personality. He talks about what he loves. Kavon is like not in the top 10 of a lot of mocks. Like, D.K.,

I don't know where you have him, but he's falling right now. I've got him going to the Seahawks at 9. Yeah. So like in Vegas odds, right? We were talking about Tibido, the first episode we did is maybe the number one overall pick. Now he's at nine.

Alana Moxie's outside of the top 10. Why is he fallen? He hasn't played a single game because of personality stuff. It's because the more and more we get closer to the draft, the more we're learning. The league doesn't like the way he behaves. And so personality is such a huge part of this process. And teams will use Baker as an example of when you get personality wrong, it blows up in your face in a really big way. But is the personality stuff with Baker just overshadowing the fact that he was bad on the field?

like Odell Beckham Senior didn't put a clip of Boat Baker like the progressive commercials I think the progressive commercials are fine if Baker's playing well I think Baker was bad So it overshadows it It absolutely does

That matters more The Browns are moving off of Baker Because he was bad on the football field There's no two ways about that But you get to use this as a crutch The Browns in this case are using as a crutch To justify train for Deshawn Watson Which is just like awful in and of itself

But when when teams sit down In draft rooms now in the month of March, the month of April, and they talk about Tibido, they will have the narrative that's being spun about Baker in their heads. And that's how the draft cycle works, right? These guys are in the lead for 20 years,

and they've all these anecdotes, they've all these one-off examples of like, well, you know, like, yeah, he's a real competitive kid, but, you know, so is Mayfield, so was six out of Oklahoma. And you still happen with him, you know what I mean? He couldn't handle it.

And then you end up getting like these pseudo-psychology, like how do we make sure that he'll be good when he's losing and how do we make, you know, perfect leader, yada, yada, whatever. Like this whole like leadership complex, you know, NFL style personality complex has been a huge thing in the draft space in the last 10, 15 years. And it's because of stories like Mayfield where the real thread is that he was bad on the field. But what scouts are going to take away and talk about is his personality. Yeah.

And that well, that's the same deal with Carson Wentz. And the reason that the Colts traded Wentz is because the personality thing. It's not like he was like so bad. They couldn't possibly stand playing with him next year. it was like he was bad also no one respects this guy or whatever the case may be I don't know I'm putting words in their mouth so you know obviously that's just me speculating

but like that's a big part of the reason that they traded this guy you know despite the fact they gave up a first arm pick for him this whole conversation reminds me a lot too of just why it's so difficult and why so many teams miss on draft picks because you can watch the tape you can get a pretty good idea I think people can get pretty good at evaluating how good someone is at football

like that's something that's more quantifiable, I guess. But it's very difficult to predict how a person is going to react to adversity and react in specific situations when they're 21 years old or 20 years old in a couple of years or whatever, and how are they going to react to all this pressure

and all these things that happened. Like Sam Darnold got mono, you know, or whatever. And it actually reminds me of a conversation I heard. I can't remember it was on a draft pod. And they were, I think it was Daniel Jeremiah, but forgive me if it wasn't. But it was basically like some teams

have put a lot of stock actually in guys that have gone through adversity. So, like, even if they have sort of, you know, some interesting or potentially negative things that happened in their life before, like, for instance, like, Matt Corral has admitted to having problems with alcohol, he quit drinking. And so some teams may look at that and it's like, oh, that's a red flag. But other teams will say, like, this guy's got great. He had a problem in his life. He corrected it.

Now he's not drinking. And he understood what that averse. meant and the way he reacted to it, that like becomes a like a conditioned mental response or whatever to adversity. So I actually have heard this term and I think it's so interesting. The Seahawks have been really into grit over the years. But Angela Duckworth, who wrote the work, who wrote the book Grit, I think the way she put it is you get inoculated in how you react to adversity. It's like it's almost like a vaccine. Like your body and your mind can react to like that diversity better, like going forward.

I think it's so fascinating. But this is, again, getting to all the psychological stuff about the draft. But I just think that's why it's so hard. It's not the football stuff. I mean, that obviously is not easy. But like the mental stuff is so hard, especially at quarterback. I agree with what you're saying, but I also come back to, I increasingly view the draft as a wood chipper that all the good prospects go to bad teams and the bad teams

ruin them. And then we wonder what was wrong with the quarterbacks. And I think half of what I find on other teams. And if they went to better teams. look at this 2018 draft Baker Mayfield went to the Browns the Browns fucking suck like they have a terrible owner

Are we gonna call the bills To draft the Josh Allen good Are we gonna do that? The bills made the playoffs With Sean McDermott Two years before Josh Allen showed up Like it was a terrible playoff game But Sean McDurrett dragged them

To a playoff quality team Like with the same at coach The Browns have had How many coaches Did Baker have four With three or four different offenses In four years for Baker Sam Donald with the Jets

Had Adam Gase Like those guys got screwed up. Josh Allen, don't think of it this way, Josh Allen went to a playoff team. And then Lamar Jackson went to a team that was 9 and 7, I believe, the year and before. Those guys made it. Josh Rosen, who went to the Cardinals, didn't make it.

Like, at some point you kind of look back, and I feel very strongly increasingly that the guys going to the awful teams just have worse odds, which isn't rocket science, but we never talk about it. Anyway, in terms of this draft, I'm curious, D.K., who you think will take a quarterback, now that we've on all this market motion.

And I feel two ways about it. One, if we are looking at all these teams making aggressive moves to trade for quarterbacks, that is in some way saying we're shopping in free agency in the trade market because we don't like the draft market. And the draft is a market. And so my question is like, how many quarterbacks do you actually think in the first round, now that we're sitting here saying one, maybe two teams even need a quarterback for this year? Yeah, got to be totally honest.

When I was putting together, I mock draft, my first. take of it was there was one quarterback in the first round. And I was like, I looked at it. I'm like, I don't know. It feels like there's going to be at least two. I got to go back and like redo this. I've got to rethink it. But I don't know for sure if that's actually the case.

Like there might be one quarterback taken in this first round in the first round. That being said, I do think if there is only one early, and I think it's going to be Malik Willis is the first quarterback taken, then you could see teams trade up into like the last couple picks of the first round because you get that fifth year option. And so that might be where it is. but like at the end of the day, Haif, it's like you were saying,

I think the Panthers are probably going to need to take a rookie quarterback in this draft. I don't know for sure if it means that they're going to do them the first round. I think the CACs are in the market,

for sure. The Saints now with Jamis, maybe not. Washington with Wentz, probably not. Maybe, I don't know. Like,

they could still do it and potentially like, potentially like, do that as a bridge. They all could, but I think we're at the point where none of them need to. Yeah.

We're in this black box where it just, depends what the team thinks. But I think we really are in 2013. And we've been hesitant to throw the label of the 2013 draft at this draft. But I really do think it's E.J. Manuel in the first round. Well, the Lions, too. I forget to mention the Lions.

So Lions, Panthers, Seahawks. Yeah, we'll see. I kind of think if Baker goes somewhere, it's the Lions. Because the Lions have John Dorsey in their department. John Dorsey was the Browns GM who drafted Baker number one. And Baker versus Goff was hilarious. For content's sake, I'm now rooting. I still running for Seahawks number one.

That's hilarious. You know, I am close to the city. Hard knocks. Hard knocks in Detroit would be pretty fun. Dan Campbell on Hard knocks? That's easy money. Just a quote machine right there. They have to do that.

All right. Indianapolis traded for Matt Ryan today. They gave up a third rounder for Matt Ryan, which is kind of wild considering they just got rid of Carson Wentz for two third rounders. And then one of those third rounders can actually become a second. They got for Wentz. So it turns out if you net, the net thing the Colts just did was they sent away Carson

Wence and they got back Matt Ryan and a third rounder. And the third rounder might be a second. So not bad. It's like they created a terrible situation and made it less bad. It's like I was at a casino this weekend. I lost a lot of money. And then I made back a little and I was like, huh, I made money. Not really, but it makes you feel better.

So do you, do you, I actually think the cults are way better with Matt Ryan. Do you guys want to get into Colts and Matt Ryan first? You want to talk about the Falcons in the draft? Which way are you going to go first? I'm not a court to Matt Ryan. Yeah. I don't think anyone knows anything about Matt Ryan. How good do you guys think Matt Ryan is?

right now because I don't think anyone actually knows anything about him as a person. I know things about Matt Ryan. Ask me anything about Matt Ryan. Ben, is this better or worse than when the Colts took on Philip Rivers? Is this going to be a better offense or worse offense? It's exactly the same. Yeah. I think he's better than Rivers was, but I think Philip Rivers is overrated because he's funny. Right. I think he's, I think he's better than Rivers. I do think like in terms of like right now at this stage in the career, I think Ryan is better quarterback than Rivers. Functionally, the Colts going to win more than the wild card round? No.

No. I think they can. No. I disagree. I think losing Matt Iber Fluse and bringing in Gus Bradley, we have to remember Gus Bradley is coordinating this defense. Do we remember the Raiders? Do we remember what happened? So Gus Bradley is coordinating this defense. Quentin Nelson was not as good and it was a very under,

talked about story, but after his foot injury in training camp last year, he was not the same Quentin Nelson, 2021 as he was in 2022. The wide receiver room still is not solved. They continue to believe internally that Michael Pittman is this like star X wide receiver one. He is not bad. they do not have depth behind him. This is, it is a good roster.

It is a well-built roster. It is not a star-sided roster and is not a complete roster. Their stars are their guard and their middle linebacker. A little bit of like a house of cards. Yeah. DeForest, DeForest Bucker, great.

Other than that, like, it's really like, name the Colts corners. You know what I'm saying? Name the Colts Corners Challenge. Exactly. Yeah.

It's just right. It's not like, it's, it's, Ballard drafted well, but it doesn't reflect the way in the roster that it looks. This is not a top half of the AFC roster. And Matt Ryan does not elevate the team that much.

They are, in my opinion, they are the eighth best team in the AFC. So to me, even if Ryan's better than Rivers, they're going to do what they did with Rivers. Show up to a wildcar round and maybe win it. What happens when they sign Julio Jones? Well, talk about Quinn Nelson.

Not being the same guy he once was. I got news about Julio. Yeah. Okay. So anyway, I see what you're saying, because Matt Ryan isn't creating. Yeah. We'll see.

We've spent enough time talking about Matt Ryan on the Colts. Craig is not impressed. Craig is bored. Who cares? The final thing I want to say is this, because this is my Chris Ballard take until I die. You simply have to step out on a limb,

and he just never has. And hyphids, you made the point when you said it. Like, Matt Ryan's great, he's better, but in the AFC is one of the eighth best roster. Yeah, if only there was some way of telling in 2017 and 2018 that the AFC was about to get shock-friken loaded of good young quarterback. but only there was some way to know

that this was coming down the mountain and you mess around with Philip Rivers and you mess around with Carson Wentz and you sat on your haunches and all of a sudden you don't have the guns. You had time to get here and you did not get here. You're calling your division rival Houston Texans

about Deshawn Watson. That's how bad you got. It's disappointing because it is a well-drafted roster. They sat on their thundle their thumbs at quarterback and it's coming back to bite them. Ooh, coming in hot. I want to give the Colton early nomination for the most annoying team to gamble on in

2022. It's going to be the Colts. We're never going to know if the Colts are going to have a good game or not. More people will watch Matt Ryan this year than the rest of his life combined. He playing a Super Bowl. What are you talking about?

In the regular season. How many Falcons games gave? No one watched the Falcons. The Falcons are really good. What are you talking about? No, I just think the Falcons is the most boring bland team. It's like him and Julio Jones.

I think people were more interested in that than him this year. No one cared about Matt Ryan. No one cares or ever cared about Matt Ryan. Even when he won MVP, no one cared. Anyway, the Falcons. I don't think people care now. I like this.

My question is just Falcons now are picking at eight. And back to our conversation about the quarterback thing. Do you, I mean, they receive, they have like no receivers in the roster. They restart quarter of federal Patterson. I don't know if you call them a receiver. They have like nobody. Pitts and Zekees. At that position.

Is Zikaa still? Yeah, they have Kyle. Yeah, they have Caladay. Alameda Zikaas is literally in theory they're number one. I guess you can count Cordial or Kyle Pitts. Do they take a receiver at that spot? Or do they take a quarterback at eight? Are they the team that maybe does that

or does it even make sense for them in this? I don't know. That's a good question. I think that they'll probably wait. So look, they took Cal Pitts at four. Was it four last year? I think it was fourth overall.

I'm not 100% sure they'll turn around and take like a receiver here, especially when it's a really deep class. I could see them more likely taking a receiver in the second round and kind of going from there and then maybe addressing safe, like a safety, I had them taking Kyle Hamilton in my mock. And I'm like,

because he's like a blue chip player who can change, the whole complexion of your defense type of deal. They are just not set up to win this year. So it's a long-term plan. And I think Mariotta is the stopgap option for two-year. He's a two-year deal. And I think they see him as a bridge. And I think they know who they are.

I think they know they're not going to compete. They just don't have the roster. They don't have the guys. So to me, they're probably going to look at this as a holistic sort of rebuild. They kind of botched it. As Ben was alluding to, like, last year, they should have been able to, able to see where this was going, right?

Like, they should have been able to see Matt Ryan's getting older. You're not going to be able to compete with this guy, like, long term. Why did you take Kyle Pitts at number four? Pitts is a great player, but you had an opportunity to draft a quarterback there. You know, so obviously, like, I think they've misstepped here, but now they, it has to be clear, like, what kind of team they are, what kind of roster they are. So that, all that being said, I think they'll probably take like an edge rusher or like one of those, like, premium positions, stay away from receivers, stay away from quarterback in this

draft and then kind of like rebuild from there. But anything is possible. Number eight spot. It depends who's there, of course. Like if Malik Willis is sitting there at eight, they might think about that for sure. The other thing just to hit here, the Texans now, they have two first rounders. They're picking it number three. They're picking 13. I'm doing team needs for a draft guide, which is going to be coming out soon. I just go line, right? I mean, this is another team that in theory could take a quarterback. I feel like they should just get guys in the trenches. Like they just need people. This is like an expansion team. You are correct. In my mock, not to like completely blow everything here,

but I had them taking Ikea Kwanu at three and Jordan Davis at 13. Healthy. That makes a ton of sense. A lot of size, baby. A lot of man. Big people. Okay.

So a lot going on in the NFL. Yeah. That's just like the quarterback stuff. I also wanted to just make a list like the top five moves that happened in the last top five, it lasted in the five days. The top five days since the top five days. What are the top five days of the last five days?

The last five, top five days. that were Monday's out and Tuesday's out now Wednesday is what are the top five days Friday you want to rank the days

just rank days I just need to get the two that are not in the top five Monday's out so what's the second worst day it's Tuesday Wednesday yeah

Monday and Tuesday the two worst days yes unequivore anyway top five moves from the last five days what a ludicrous question

you guys rank the days I don't know my mock draft on days will be coming out on the site as well. Well, ironically, we're talking about Wednesday to Sunday, so it is not Monday and Tuesday. No, whatever. All right.

The point is, I ranked the top five moves from the last five days, and it was crazy. And if you guys disagree with my order, I ranked them in order of, like, how much I think it impacts those teams. From a bar in New Orleans, Hyphitz was just ranking what happened online. Exactly.

Oh, my God. New Orleans is like a different country, but also makes me very proud of this country. Did you get the hurricane? Did you pay the deposit, the giant glass? What? The Pat O'Brien? Ryan's Hurricane, yeah. Did you? All right. It's, it's an insane place. How many fluid ounces is

it? It's massive. It's huge. Is one of those drinks that it's, for the people who don't know, there's this bar that invented the hurricane drink. And it's, it's like so much sugar that I actually think you get the sugar rush first. Yeah. And then all the alcohol, it's disgusting. It's horrible, but it's also crazy. Okay. Anyway, no one cares about any of these things we're talking about. Number one, I care. Did you? Well, I could talk. talk to your office. I bet you a couple of people at home are like this. I want more hurricane talk.

We went to Pat O'Brien's back in the day. Hi Fitz. Back in the day. I got to tell my Pat O'Brien story real quick as long as we're on it. Yeah, we're here. My group of friends got into a contest with a group of people next to us of who could drink the hurricane the fastest. Terrible idea. Oh, that's a terrible idea.

My buddy was just puking in the bushes. Like he glass-eyed, like he went into the drunk in other regions, like whatever you call it. like the, what's the stranger things? Like the underground? Oh, the upside down. He was gone. We lost him. I don't know where he went.

But anyways, yes, that was my Poutabrian story. Really fun. I was fine. He wasn't so much. It's a horror. Literally just the thought of doing that. Burbank Street's insane. It's just like, there's no laws.

It's crazy. Three gallons? Are they three gallons? I just Googled it. Are they three gallons? That's not correct. No, that's obviously not true. If you think about it.

You literally have to put a deposit down to get this gigantic glass because people break them. And it's like $100 for this glass. Also, I just can't get over. You can just take, you get plastic cups. You just go to different bars and you sit down at a different bar with your plastic cups. Yeah, go cups? Those are the best. It's one of those things you hear about and then you see it and you're like this.

I'm not what country am I in? Okay. No one, but no one cares. Can't stress this enough. Yeah, I don't know. Craig, you just slacked us a picture. Why are we still on this? Is that how big it is?

Look how big it is? No, that's not. No. I'm going to luck. Is that not it? That's like what it is. That's it. That's what I'm talking about.

That is close. That looks like three gallons. I think they, oh, well, no, the picture you found is eight straws in the same one,

and I feel like that might have ended. Two gallons? Do you think of a jug of milk? It's at least two of those. Yeah. I don't know if they sell that anymore, post-demic. Right.

Like everyone drinking three gallons from the same one, I think that out has to be separate. Okay. Can we talk about Devante Adams for the Raiders? Are we still in the New Orleans? Doesn't seem as important as this.

So. Oh my goodness. Frenchman street shout out. Okay. Devante Adams with the Raiders, my number one top five of the top five days, whatever the hell this exercise is. I thought that was really cool. I was actually,

I think I might have actually been at Pat O'Brien's when this happened. All comes back. All comes back. I was. Raiders gave a first and second round at a Green Bay. So let's just start with the Packers of this. From this year's draft. From this year's draft.

So the Packers now have pick 22, pick 28, pick 53, pick 59. The only wide receivers left in their team are Amari Rogers, who is not great. And then undrafted free agents. So like, D.K., they have to take one wide receiver, if not two with these four picks, right? It's going to be the funniest thing ever if they take like two, like a offball linebacker and a nose tackle. At this point, it would become like a Kirby enthusiasm bit. Like when Larry started the spite store, the Packers were just running a spite team. they should trade up for Kenny Pickett.

It's going to, oh my God, yes. Seriously. No, I think they have to take a receiver. I think in this class, too, it makes this kind of sense. If I get the back half of the first round to grab a receiver, there's going to be really good players still there. And from a fantasy purposes, like that guy's going to be Skyrocket, baby. I'm so excited to see who it is.

I just have to assume at this point they're going to take a receiver. They can't be that stupid, right? No, they have to. They're definitely not. I understood why they dealt him because it's a lot of money to give Rogers and Devante straight up. But I have, I get what they did it, but you have to do it. But he was just, I guess Devonty was very upset. The 20 minutes between the trade and then finding out that Rogers knew about it before was the most fun.

Like when we didn't realize that Rogers knew this trade was coming. Every single theory that the internet had was quashed within two minutes, right? Like that Rogers is leaving. Actually, Rogers knew the Packers are stingy. Actually, Packers tried to play and can pay more money than the Brady's thing. I was like, what? It was the psychedelic trait. Do you have more empathy now for what Rogers did in the last year or so with the Packers?

If we act with the, if we were to accept the theory that one of the reasons Roger was so mad is that Devante Adams told him, I'm not residing here no matter what. And that the last dance Instagram was actually about Devante and Rogers, not Rogers. And like, does that make more sense that if Rogers, with the knowledge that Devante is not coming back? back because he's so mad. Yeah. I like that. Yes, but also I would ask like if Rogers

knew and his biggest recruiting response was I need Randall Cobb. He should have maybe done more like, there were a lot of good receivers available recently. He probably should have a little more like I'm definitely in Green Bay.

Maybe some of the good receivers should come. Oh, come play with me and Devante. And then when Devante leaves, like, oh, but I have Amari Cooper, so I'm fine. Because right now he's got enough. It's pretty funny. Why? So first of all, yeah, Amari Cooper, like a fifth round pick or whatever.

Robert Woods, six round pick, something like that, something ridiculous. I don't, like, what are the Packers doing? You're stepping on a DK. Sorry, I know, but it's still like, come on Packers. I want to just focus on the Raiders for a hot second here. Devonte back with Derrick Carr. So draft wise, they're kind of irrelevant because I don't think they've picked in the top 50 now. 86, I think is their first pick.

86, yeah, the top 80. Wow. So Devante going back with the Raiders, Eric Carr. Friendship. Big winner. Friendship. Yeah. Winners of the friendship. I actually feel it's harder to evaluate Devante Adams away from Aaron Rogers than any quarterback than any receiver in the league. So like, I don't know how else to say this, but like how good is Devante Adams if he's not with Aaron Rogers? Well, spin it in a fantasy way. Like, like we don't have to talk about fantasy much, but like Devonte sure fired probably number one overall pick again in fantasy at wide receiver. Where is he now? That's not a Ben question. Ben is not, is Ben is ill-equipped.

handle this question. Ben's history and fantasy football, if you knew it, would have you not asking Ben's question. Much simpler. Devante's now the highest paid receiver. Is he the best receiver in the NFL if he's not with Rogers? Yeah, but that's such a moving target. And the top echelon of receivers is so closely knit that like having the top paid receiver probably isn't great. You'd rather have like a top 10 paid receiver and then you have that window at getting like that Cooper Cup season by the you just had. In Green Bay, when Devante was there, there was no. There was no receiver in the league who was asked to run more routes and more concepts from more alignments than Devante. I wish that was like by next gen stats, but it's not, but that's just off

my watch. I was stunned weekly by the complexity of what Adams was asked to do. He was the entire passing game was built around the truth that we could put this guy anywhere and ask him to run anything and he would always be right. Kind of scary for the Packers right now. There actually our stats that Matt Harmon at Yahoo does reception and actually had a graphic he put out where Devante Adams ran the most kinds of routes and he also was the number one in the most kinds of routes even though he should be good at what you practice but he's doing out of Matt. Yeah. And so now the question to me isn't what is Devante in, uh, well, like what's the talent? I know the talent. The question is what is, what are McDaniels and Carr capable of, of doing?

Can they go full Rogers LaCleur with Darren and with with Hunter Renfro who are good players in their own rights and say we can build this entire ship out of Devante and we can really push the limits of this. You know, I don't like, all right, let's play Devante the way that we, you know, played like Julian Edelman. Ah, no, you guys, this is a special player who deserves a special, a special usage. So, realistically, he could be just as high volume, just as, just as effective, like, you know, a little bit less because cars not as good as Rogers, so you lose some of those, like, crazy, unscripted four second plays. But besides that, like, base stuff, it could be the same and the rent-fro operates as that slot and Waller operates another move piece to kind of,

is the yang to Devante's yen, and it's great. It just requires McDaniels and Carr to be really, really, really good at their jobs. And I believe Carr can get there. I believe McDaniels can get there, but I haven't seen it yet. So it's cautious optimism that Devante stays afloat with this unbelievable usage and this unbelievable film. Craig, to answer your question, I think he'll still be a top five receiver in drafts, barring anything weird that happens the next few months.

But, like, it's definitely not clear cut. Yeah, there's definitely a wide range of outcomes, I think, that could happen with Devante in Vegas. Okay, speaking of wide range outcomes. Number two, this is probably too high, but I don't care. I thought the other big move that really intrigued me actually was Juju Smith-Schuster, the Chiefs. It's only $3 million. There's like another $8 million in incentives. But I actually thought this is exactly what the Chiefs need because they just have all these

like fast guys that, and I just felt like one of my favorite things anyone throughout last year was like the Chief should have gotten Jameson Crowder. And Juju is not exactly Jameson Crowder. But I kind of just love the idea of Juju as the third guy. in the Chiefs offense. And I just think it's fantastic. And I don't know. I mean,

I think it's like really important for them. I also think it takes the pressure off them to get a receiver in the first round. So what do you guys think? Yeah, I think so first off, yes, it is number one. It's cheap for them.

Like this is crazy to me that juju is valued this lowly in the NFL. Like one year, three million total guarantees. Like that is insane to me. Why don't the frickin Packers do this again? Going back to the back. And I'm rounding up. It's actually two and,

half. Like, I was just proud of it. I'm telling you right now, I'm going to be very, and I'm going to be very bullish on juju this year for fantasy. Yeah. But I think, to answer your question, though, I think it is great schematically for them. Like, look, we talked about this all last year. The two high stuff was kind of killing the chiefs because, you know, they like to do the run around and throw deep and aggressive down the field. They need somebody who's like sort of over the middle who can do that, you know, be more reliable over the slot that wasn't Miko Hardman. Pringle kind of came on late and was that guy for them. And they kind of figured it out with like the running back.

and ways to kind of like matriculate down the field rather than just hit explosive plays. That was kind of like what they needed to do. And I think juju can certainly help in that strategy and if they have to do that again this year. But again, like when I saw this deal, I was like, the NFL just doesn't think juju is good anymore. Yeah. Like that's the personality stuff, Solic was talking about. Like everything he said about Kavon Tibidel, like they don't like that he does TikTok. And the chiefs probably don't care.

But look, now he's going to have the crossover event of the century. Juju TikTok. Jackson Mahomes TikTok. Yeah. This is incredible. Is it incredible or is it awful? You know, who knows? I mean, awful, but if it,

but like I see the vision and the vision is incredible. Next up, Alan Robinson to the L.A. Rams. Yes. This is probably bigger deal. Yeah, this one's incredible. Finally. He finally has a quarterback.

Finally. I hope he's not too old. It's really two years for 31 million. Oh, gosh. I'm so excited about this. Obviously, they sent away Robert Woods. I got bad news about how old he is, though. You know what?

Tell me. Don't age shame, Ben. He's 28 years old. Really? Is that it? Yes. He'll be 30. That cannot be right. He'll be 29 in August, August 24th.

But he's only 28. Wait, he's 28. Hasn't he played with like eight different quarterbacks? He was playing with Hackerberg in 2014. So he must have come out when he was 2021. That's the underrated one because everyone knows like Al Robinson's with the Blake Bortals and like, you know, all these bad quarterbacks. But it's funny that his college quarterback is also like the worst one

of the worst quarterback draft picks ever. Like last year was a disaster, but the year before last, he had 102 catches for, you know. So is this bad for Matt Stafford because there's a cosmic curse at Alan Robinson, and this just means Stafford's going to get hurt and he's going to, and then now Alan Robinson comes to play with the Super Bowl champions and Stafford and he actually is going to get like, you know, who's that backup? Chris, Chris Strette, no, that's the card. John Walford.

John Walford. Wofford. Paul, like. Is he still around? Wofford, Wofford, Wofford? Mark Schlariff. Schleriff. Schlerth. Schlerth. Anyway, shout out on

Robinson. So I think Robinson's good for Stafford. Stafford loves these skyscraper receivers. You can go up and elevate. He loves to throw 50 football to the catch point. That's been Robinson's game, even when Robinson was in his prime, which is no longer in his prime. To be clear. It works for him.

What's weird about this for me is the Rams had a very clear, like, you know, like cup is there like Z, right? Is there zebra? so he's their slot player. Robert Woods is their is their F, right? He's their adjuster, right?

This guy they move around. They had those prototypes very nice. And then they got Odell to be their ex, right? Odell was on line of scrimmage, on the backside, catching the back shoulder phase and whatever, running the backside digs. They bring in Robinson. Robinson has to play the X.

Robinson cannot play Robert Woods role. He cannot play Cooper Cubs role. And then they trade Woods. And obviously, he's off the ACL, so I get it. Because, like, you don't know, you don't know if he's going to come back on ever say you're going to try to go for a more sure thing whatever they are missing Woods at that F spot

for them that adjuster that guy who moves and blocks like it matters a ton to their running game like a drastically affected their running game can Van do that Van Jefferson it'd be nice they certainly hope that when they picked him in the second round right so can you explain what you mean by F spot it's kind of like a receiver who's like cosplay as a tight end right right so F usually was fullback right

that well back in the day yeah was your fullback on the playbook sheet and then you moved to 11 personnel and you took the full back off the field and put the third receiver on the field but instead of changing the letter we just made an easy after that right and that's why that he's called the adjuster right because what body you put at f in your playbook adjust what you are as a team right sometimes it's cow you shick sometimes it's robert woods same letter completely different dudes and so interesting what woods does for them in terms of of their running game is they they line them like a tight end they align them behind the tight end

and Robert Woods will go block a son of gun. He's a nasty dude in that regard. And it's rare to get a receiver does that very well. The Packers, Matt LaFlor from the same coaching tree, have Alan Lazard who does it in that role. But Lazard's like actually 225. It makes sense, right? Woods is smaller.

Alan Robinson's not the player. Cup, they kind of, you know, quasi was that player for them down the stretch, but it wasn't great. It was surprising to see the move off of Woods after bringing in Robinson. And it might detail, especially if Beckham comes back, a further change to this McVeigh-Stafford-era offense

where they just become, really freaking vertical, really freaking downfield. Just spread and shred and forget everything about the running game that I learned under Mike Shanahan, screw it. We're lining up and we are shooting. And I'd understand it because Stafford gives you that ability. So, yeah, I think that's very interesting. And that brings me to my next question, which is, like, what does the Rams plan here?

The Rams, to me, feel like that team in like a fantasy auction draft where they're like, ooh, that guy's good. I'll take him. They blow all their money in the first three pairs. No, there are real life stars in Scrubs team. Like in real life, so here's the thing. In fantasy, we always talk about if you're in an auction draft, we call it solid cap draft now and you're $200, but, dollars, spend $170 of your dollars on like four good

players and you'll fill out the rest. It doesn't matter. The Rams did that in real life. They traded all their first and second round picks away because they're like, I'm getting out of the risk business. I want known quantities. Give me Jalen Ramsey to pair with Donald. Give me Stafford.

Give me, like, give me Von Miller. They traded all these good players star. but they still may, even though they had no first round picks from 2016 through like 2024, they still made the most or I think the second most overall picks since 2016. They just were throwing darts. They gave away all their darts from the first and second round draft, like the good darts, but they just had all the bad darts and they just kept throwing at the fourth and fifth and sixth round.

So you've got like David Long as a defensive back out there, some whatever guy making plays in the Super Bowl. They're literally a Stars and Scrubs fantasy team in real life. they've done well at those late round darts. But I like specifically for the receiver position, though. Like they drafted Van Jefferson two years ago in the second round. They drafted 2-2 Atwell in the second round last year. They signed Odell-Bet or whatever.

They signed Odell-Backham. They signed Alan Robinson. They're trying to sign Odell Beckham again. It's like how many freaking receivers do you need? I don't like, I guess, Ben, you already kind of answer my question. Like maybe they just will go and like spread it out and run a different offense. But I'm like, my question is just like, what's the plan here? Alan Robinson on one side, outside the numbers over there.

And you put O'Dell Beck Jr. outside the numbers over here. And you put Cooper Cup in the slot. And I'm the defense coordinator. I'm going home, brother. I'm packing my bags. I don't want to do. I don't have the secondary.

I don't have the wearer with all to do. You don't want none of this, Dewey. You don't want none of this shit, Dewey. All right. Next one for me, as you alluded to, the devastating day for us is that Bobby Trees. Robert Whitech is trading the Titans. I feel bad for, like, dancing around in a fountain when I heard that Robinson

was joining the Rams because it came at a horrible cause. it came at a horrible cost. Robert Woods is no longer on the Rams. We love Bobby Trees. Now he's on the irrelevant Titans, in my opinion. This is just a waste land for Robert Wards. The Titans cut Julio Jones. So the Titans have nobody behind AJ Brown.

So they had to do something. So cutting Julio, I mean, quick, you know, I mean, I'm not going to say he's done, but all I'll say is that Tennessee traded a second and a fourth rounder for Wio Jones. He gave them 10 games. Basically, they paid to Wallyo. Tennessee paid Julio, about 600.

thousand dollars per catch. Yeah. Tough. Yeah. I kind of wonder if he's done, at least with big money. But Bobby Trees going in Tennessee made a ton of sense to me because they love like the Rams. I think the thing of Rams and Titans have in common is like those receivers who are very willing to like block be physical and especially block downfield, which Robert Woods is very good at.

I think Corey Davis was like that for them. And now they kind of get that back. Absolutely. Yes. But yeah, we always say how Bobby Trees, if he had a sexy. your name would be like a more famous person. And now he's at Tennessee, which is, you know, kind of, I guess, where his career is destined to end. And he's probably not going to start the season on the action.

And he's coming off the ACL. Right. So that's just, it's a bummer. But, you know, maybe down the stress. Now we can harp on Bobby Trees as a huge sleeper because you can get him with your last pick. Totally. I hope he shows up for the season maybe.

That's the one thing about fantasy nobody has figured out yet. There's nobody really knows how to handle somebody who's starting the season injured. No one knows when to draft that person. Well, now it's all messed up because we added COVID IR spots, but then it's like, can you use them for like a couple of players who are just hurt? And then you have arguments in the group chat and you're like, guys, like, chill. Philosophically, it's tough to just hold a guy on your roster. It is three months or whatever, two months.

Yeah. Okay. Anyway, next one, we did not get to talk to this. It feels like it happened a lifetime ago. But the Buffalo bills signed Von Miller. Yeah. Which I love the deal. So the numbers were totally fake that came out.

The real contract you signed is like three years for like $52 million. dollars. Bills remain the Super Bowl favorites. They don't have many needs in this draft, but I did think Edge was a huge one for them, especially with all those quarterbacks. I'm going to the FACDK, what do you think the bills need in the draft now that they have Von Miller to win the Super Bowl? Because they need win now guys. Receiver?

I don't know. Like cornerback, I think, would probably be certainly feasible in the first round. I think they could still add a receiver to just like take it up another notch in terms of their offensive exactly what the Rams are doing. Like, let's just keep hoarding all the best receivers. Like, they could do that, but instead this way go with a really impressive rookie receiver instead of grabbing like a guy like O'Dell Beckham, whatever. Who, by the way, it's still a free agent.

So, you know, who knows where I'll end up. But, yes, I think those are kind of the two positions I've circled. You know, I think they could still add interior defensive line edge. Like, you can't have enough of those guys, really. We've seen, like, the NFL season is about all attrition. and they're set up to win. So having depth, having redundancy at those key positions is really important. Even though it doesn't seem like they have needs, you know, it just never hurts to have those guys.

So, yeah, build strength on strength. Especially cornerback too. Speaking of, I think they could use, yeah. So anyway, I just think that was crazy that they signed von Miller. Do you guys know the last Bill's player to have double-digit sacks in a single season? Is Kyle Willie? Kyle Williams, I guess he never did it, did he? Mario, what's his name?

Mario Williams? Jerry Hughes. Lorenzo Alexander 116. That one random. Which like I was like looking at the bond trade and I was like, oh, the first double digit like potential set guy said. Lorenzo Alexander, which first he tells you how rough Mario Addison plus AJA P and S. up, what's kind of that whole process has been. But secondly, shout out Lorenzo Alexander for his.

Wasn't he like 30 plus when he did that too? Yeah. No, like 12 and a half sack. season in 2016. He was in his 30s. It had never done anything like that before. Love it. Okay.

That's my top five. And I want to give an honorable mention of the Bengals signing Lel Collins because it's two years in a row now where this team lost the Super Bowl because their quarterback was getting chased around. Then they fixed their offensive line. Like the chiefs did it.

It worked. Kind of. Well, it worked. And then the Bengals, everyone was like Protect Burrow and they did it. So good for them for you know, they signed three free agent offensive line. This is another great example.

of them like hedging. Now they don't have to go with offensive line in the first round or whatever. They still, they still would be great if they did. We mentioned the other day. So they signed Ted Karras to play center. They signed Alex Kappa away from Tampa Bay. Do they say Karras is playing center and they're moving Hopkins to guard or what? I actually don't know where they're going to play Karras. Yeah. All right. I'd be interesting because I would say that Hopkins, their center is

fine enough to keep playing. I'd be curious if they move Karris there or not. We'll find out. I just can't plead the Giants trade. Never for Billy Price. Whatever. Never mind. I don't want to think about it. Another thing we want to hit here, speaking of draft, the other thing that happened

over since we've been gone, since we've been gone, sorry, I can't sing, but it was playing a paddle prize. Good try. David O'Jabo, the Michigan Pass Rusher, who is,

DK has, I think, your 18th player on your last big board, DK, tore his Achilles at his pro day. There are a couple parts of this that are interesting, but just sticking to the draft

for a moment, is he not a first rounder anymore? Is he a second rounder? What do you do with a great athletic rusher who knows an Achilles injury affecting his athleticism? I suspect he's not a first rounder anymore just because that injury in particular is very tough to predict. There's just a small sample in terms of the guys that have come back and had full use of their like former explosiveness or whatever. Look, obviously with cammakers, like that's encouraging for the way that they're treating these injuries and the fact that he was able to come back so quickly, but like every Achilles

injury is a little bit different. Like, I don't think it's at the same level. It's not like an ACL where there's like a hundred guys that have come back and been fine. Yeah, and did you see Schefter's tweet about this? Shefter tweeted that Ojoabo tore's Achilles and then he said the Rams, Cam Acres, Tories, last summer was back at about six months. Doctors expect OJaba to be in the same timeline. I feel like now, just because Acres recovered so quickly, everyone just assumes everyone who who tears their Achilles. Yeah. It's like when when Christian Kirk signed the deal and all the, all the teams, like you just effed up the wide receiver free agent market. Cam Acres just aft up the Achilles

100% yeah, man. Like that was OJabo's agent for sure telling Schaefter. Oh, he's on Acres timeline. 100%. So I suspect he'll probably fall into the early second round. There will be someone that will take a risk on that and go for it. But the history of these picking guys that rely on explosiveness early in drafts, that's like just number one, first round pick.

A lot goes into that. It's already really really really. risky. And then doing it for a guy who's almost certain to miss most of next season, uh, that's, you know, I just think a lot of teams will probably go another direction. So that's kind of what I'm thinking right now. It's always possible that someone will take a risk on him very late in the first round just so they can get that 50 year option again. But, you know, I would guess probably second round now for him, which is sucky. Like, because he, you know, was rising. Some people thought he could potentially go into the top 10, um, kind of deal. Even though he's raw,

He's not a very established as like a run defender. He certainly has flashes of it. But yeah, it's very tough. Also, the part that made this, like, especially kind of troublesome and painful was watching the actual film of it happened. He falls down, writhing in pain, grabbing his heel, and, like, no one went over to, like, help him or even, like, see if he was okay. So, like, one of these NFL coaches that was running the drill, like, went over and, like,

pick up the ball, like, next to him. It was like really bizarre, which is also just kind of, that's a side tangent, which doesn't have really anything to do with it. It's not a tangent. Bucky Brooks, who works at Interfell Network had a tweet that went viral kind of just being like, this is messed up. And on one hand, I think that maybe this specific situation, it's a little harsh to criticize people because the reality is like, you know, not everyone in the area is necessarily going to run over to an injured person. Like, realistically, like the trainers have to do. The video cut away very quickly. Like, for all we know, like, the trainer was loose.

sprinting to him and like, you know, we don't know that part. But I think the reason it resonated is because the overall vibe of the draft of the combine is it's a meat market. And these guys are often, I don't know, kind of dehumanized in the way that they are evaluated and like, you know, they're bored down to size and speed and athleticism. And sometimes individuality is stripped. And so I think that the visual kind of just captured the overall essence of like, oh, once you can't do the football anymore, they don't care, which is tough. and it was tough to see it. It's a cold, cold business. Like that, that, that, like, video paired with the Robert Woods move.

To me, it was like, man, like, football is cold. The guy who picks up the ball doesn't even look at OJabo. Yeah, he's just like, move along. And then I saw, like, discussion on it on Twitter was interesting because he saw, like, former scouts and coaches kind of talking about it, different guys that are now in the media. And they pointed out, like, this happens at practice. I think some player mentioned this too.

Like, this happens at practice, too. Like, if someone gets hurt, they basically just move the drill away from the guy. And like, you know, it's like you're a throwaway, like, it's just so crazy. It's such a cold business. The one piece of fallout from this, I thought, is applicable. I don't know if it will necessarily have much of an impact on the draft, but like, I already saw that Aiden Hutchinson canceled a workout with the Jags because he's like, look, you've seen my freaking tape. Like, I'm not coming in and risking injury. Pick me at the, pick me at number one or not. Like, that's basically what he's saying. So I think that is probably the right move, honestly,

for people that are already a stat. Like Hutchinson's going to go in the top five for sure, probably the top pick. So like why go, you know, risk getting hurt now, you know, before you can secure a contract and all that stuff. Yeah,

I think if OJabo falls in the draft too, we're going to see even less and less players doing the combine. And I actually think we talked about why the combine had so many fast people issuing the 40-R-dash. And we also kind of came to the conclusion, oh, they're practicing more. I actually think it's, I think,

I want to say, Adam Harstad, who's a great fantasy writer, tweeted that it was really just selection bias because the only people left are going to do the drills are the people who are going to be really good at them. But the injury combined with, it's not worth the risk of injury unless you're going to be, it's going to help you. But if you're just checking the box for these teams, screw the teams. If you're going to go high, you're going to go high. Okay.

A lot going on in the NFL. That was a lot. Okay. Let's get a couple of, let's get an email in here and then a little two jargons and a lie. Let's do it, baby. Are you ready, Solek? Do you got some? I got one here.

All right. Soak, hit us with two jargings that lie. For those who don't know, Ben Solick gives us three pieces of draft jargon every week, and we got to figure out which one of them is a lie in that he made up, because draft jargon really weird. All right. Today's edition, single words that start with Jay. Joker? Junk, Jag.

See, he's getting so simple now. I miss the old days. I miss the old Solac. It's hard to sneak anything past you guys. Junk and Jack. I know this one so I won't say it. I think Jag is just another guy. J-A-G.

Joker and J-U-N-K. J-U-N-K? J-U-N-K? J-U-N-K. I mean, that's just blatantly an insult, you know? Like, are they really- As my friend Danny Kelly said, the NFL's a cold business. J-U-N-K is also just kind of an insult, I mean. True, but at least it's disguised.

Would you rather be junk or a Jag? I don't know. But also, we got junk because, like, they love, there's all these weird other terms

about butts. They have a lot of slang for, like, guys with big butts mean they're, like, very powerful. I'm going to say,

uh, Joker's fake. High Fitz? I, junk is fake. Yes, that is correct. So,

drag is just another guy. The Joker position is basically like a bunch of college defenses were changing their defensive structure. and ended up with this guy that the bucket term is the overhang, right? He's somewhere between the tackle and the slot receiver.

He just kind of exists. He's like this safety linebacker body type. He doesn't have like a real position name in terms of like typical like 4-3, 3-4, whatever. And so all these schools started making up names for that position. And they just like try to make him as cool as possible. This is the most athletic player in your high school defense was this position, right? Yeah, like they just move him around, put him to the team's strength. and he's like, since the nebulous air, just makes plays.

So you get the star, you get the jet, you get the viper, you get the viper, you get the viper, it's like the movie Dodgeball. It's like Blazer. That is what the call. I've heard monster. All these teams just have these like, as hype of these names as you could get.

And the one that just became the most sticky was Joker. Just the Joker. Like that's that, that's, that, he's just this, this psycho rover around that could do anything at any time. He's kind of that, that, that amorphous. serial killer Michelle. The Joker.

I will say my favorite story I've ever written for The Ringers I wrote about why football players were obsessed with the Dark Night and the Joker specifically and like I just there were just so many

football players that have Joker tattoos and I would shamelessly plug this is my favorite thing. Oh, also randomly I don't care I have to talk about this. Do you remember when you got the Dark Night on DVD

and you played it? I know all of you did. Yeah. Do you remember when you hit play the first time on the Dark Night DVD and they started the movie with, and here we go. And it was like, that was, and then they played the move. Like, they reordered that thing to put it at the beginning on the DVD. That was the craziest thing that's

ever happening in my whole life. Does your dad and the Joker have the exact same voice? No. You just broke into your dad voice when you're doing the Joker. Oh, no. Did I really? For those who don't know, I don't do an impression of my dad. I do an impression of my friends doing an impression of my dad. And that's just not my impression of my dad. It gets more extreme every time.

Wow, I hope it's not the same thing. Next time, Craig, I will find as illustrious and colorful scouting terms as like, yeah. We're running low. It's tough. I look at all these and I'm like, he knows this one.

He knows this one. I got to find some good ones. Yeah. Getting back to your quiz, Ben, I thought you were going, I actually knew that it was, I knew Joker and Jag were real, so I just process elimination.

However, I thought maybe was referencing the guy who was running at the 40 and he fell down and his dick fell out. So maybe that was like the junk. There's no way you haven't seen this. I don't think I've not seen this. Yeah. Well, I hope you haven't seen it. Maybe you've heard of it.

Firstly. No. Firstly. Go incognito. What? Yeah. Not suitable for work. Oh, I've learned the hard dude. I learned the hardest lesson pun intended. Uh-oh. I had to do a blog once the first time the

Bill's fans threw dildo on the field. but I had to find a video of it because they first thought it was like a bomb that someone threw so they had like security so like I had to view it myself because I'm writing about it I need to know if it was like a joke or not

like you know so I made them I needed to find a video so I made the mistake of searching dildo on Twitter dildo bills and like oh my God yeah that's tough but I was like at work that was tough

those are bad so anyway so yeah incognito mode go to incognito mode and you can search Chris Jones 40 yard dash this is like famous now Chiefs defense defense attack I want to see this I actually Ben I completely forgot it was

Chris Jones I thought it was just some randow guy I don't want to see this very good clear is this it's just it's just it's part of NFL draft history man I never heard of lore if you will wow oh you're a wait oh my god forever as Sports Illustrated

forever scarred by his disastrous wardrobe malfunction just another chapter such a nightmare, dude. Can you imagine? That's what I'm saying. Like, Chris Jones has like a three and a half sack game in like the playoffs. And it's in the locker room.

It's like, yeah, you remember that one time you're running a four-year attach at the combine? There's two things that you don't want to have happen to the combine. Shit your pants or your dick fall out. And like, oh my gosh. Illustrated story. And it's Jacob Feldman from five years ago. And the lead, the first sentence is, quote, my dick came out. That is the first sentence of this art sports.

There's nothing better than when a player gives you a quote. like, aha, my lead. I'll not have to think about it ever again. And the moment Chris Jones said, my dick came out. He was like, we got it, baby. You have to wait for the second angle of the 40-yard dash. The first angle doesn't show it. It's the second angle that you really see it. Anyway, so yeah, that was Chris Jones running his 40-yard dash. That's pretty funny. Yeah, no wonder these guys are not doing it anymore. Can't have that happened to you. Anyway, okay, can I give you two jargons and alive from our running series of people emailing us, two jargons that alive? This is equally as immature, yeah.

So emails at Ring Your Fantasy Football, Gmail.com. If you want to do, give us the two jargons and a live from your own industry. We're responding to as many as we can. Thank you for emailing us. Yeah, thank you. This one's from Stephen. Stephen. Hey, Steve.

Stephen says, I work for a steel company. Here are three steel jargons. One is fake. But plate. Mm-hmm. But welding. But joint. All the butts are with two T's.

It's like butt. Butt plate, butt welding, but joint. I will recuse myself of a this one because I know it. I think, you know it. How do you know it? A big,

big steel worker guy. Yeah. No, I, uh, no, on a mission trip once, there was a guy who was a welder

who was working with steel. And so I know he was, he was working with steel. Well, you're from Pennsylvania. Yeah, wrong side of the state, though.

I'm from the east side of the state. We didn't have, we'd have good iron ore over there. He knows steel slang just by osmosis from being from Pennsylvania. That's a very, is that how I feel, is that how I sound when I talk about like,

not the East Coast? because that's just, it's so Pennsylvania and it's like the Philly area, or Pittsburgh are so far apart. They are. Yeah, what is it? Like, four or five hour drive? And also they hate each other.

That's like almost L.A. to San Francisco. Like, that's kind of insane if you think about it. It's over five hours. If you haven't been to California, people don't know how far that is. I was talking to somebody at Radio Row about that. And I was like, oh, I have to drive up to the bay. And he was like, what is it, like an hour?

And I was like, no, dude. It's like halfway up America to get from L.A. to San Francisco. Dude, that's like when Josh Allen made fun of like we're the only team in New York, but you have to explain to people that Buffalo is like much closer to like West Virginia than it is to New York City. Yeah.

Did you know it's like legitimately 24 hour drive from Seattle to LA? Is that right? 24? It depends on how fast you're going, I guess, or how many stops you make. But yeah,

almost 24 hours or like 20 some, 20 plus. Did you know that L.A. is closer to Canada than it is to Mexico City? Oh, wow. That's a good one. That's a good one. That's a good one.

Did you know that Austin is equidistant between L.A. and Detroit? I did. Look, those are great. moment. Did you know? Shout out

everyone who knows that reference. Did you know that Michigan looks like a mitten? I don't know. I have nothing left to add to this. I got no way distances.

Back to the steel question. I think butt joint is fake. I agree. Butt plate sounds real. But welding. No, butt plate's silly. I'm going butt plate.

Butt plate's funny. Well, but also like with this guy, I feel like when you put the lie last, it's obvious. Like you go two truths and a lie. So maybe you wouldn't want to put it last. So that makes me think maybe it's but welding.

Yeah, my instinct is. Actually, you're right. Then butt welding probably is fake. Right. I was going to say butt welding is not real. I think so butt plate, this is my embarrassing attempt at guessing what these are. The butt plate is like the base of something that they butt up the other thing against.

I don't know. Are you guessing how steelworking works? Yeah. I mean, yeah. That's the most dad shit I've ever heard. This is my mind on steelworking. That's such a dad thing. Also, I love how you didn't really, you were just like butt plate feels like it's the bottom.

of something. Well, yes, then. That does sound like it. I'm going to go with butt welding. I think butt welding. Sherlock Holmes over here. Yeah, what do we got? All right.

The wrong one is butt plate. Butt plate is face. Oh, no. So you weld a joint. And so if butt welding is true, but joint has to be true, right? Obviously. But yeah, that's how welding is.

It makes too much sense now. I still don't get it. I still don't. I'm not, yeah. All right. Stephen writes, But welding is when two pieces of metal are placed end to end without overlap and then welded along the joint. Importantly, in a butt joint, the surfaces of the workpiece is being joined are on the same plane and the weld metal remains within the planes of the surfaces.

I'm going to have to read that again. I kind of get what that means. Yep. I don't. Stephen said important. Here's the important thing about a butt joint. And he said he meant it when he said this is the important thing about the water. I thought there was going to be a joke of like it looks like a butt.

But no, he actually gave a real answer. All right. Thank you, Stephen for that email. I think that's all we got. Thank you, D.K. thank you so luck thank you Craig thank you to everyone who's emailings at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com but especially thank you to those people email those and go to the nfldraft.orgir.com not the nfl draft.org.com and we have our most warmest of what of thank yous for the people who are

going there and also emailing or go there or email those click one of those things love them clicks no but dkdegad does have a mock draft that is up there right now because you're listening to this on tuesday there's an NFL draft dottherringer.com mock draft my team needs will be be coming to that draft guide very shortly. Anything else we got a plug? Draft show on Thursday? I'll be posting my ranking of the best days of the week shortly as well. That's substack.

Craig. org. Should we get, we'll get a hurricane for the, for the four of us for the next year's out of Shepard's drinking game. We should make hurricanes. Oh my God. Oh, goodness.

One gallon for each of us. Fair. Solac can just kind of like be like the baseline so people realize how drunk we are, Oh, it's three gallons. Danny, Danny and I have a gallon, and Solac can make sure we don't die. He's the DD. Okay. Thank you, Lorne.

Lord. Yeah. Thank you, Lord. Thank you, Sun Little. I don't know who that is. What? Look it up, Craig. I think you'd like it, actually.

These are the two, I don't know so much. How do you spell it? S-O-N or S-U-N? Yeah, S-O-N. Sun-Little? Hmm. From Philly. Oh.

Hey, go birds. Ben's about to sneeze. Yeah, but now I thought too much about it. I know I realize how New Yorkers sound when they try to do geography, the way in D.K. was like, oh, well, selects from Pennsylvania. He knows steel. Yeah. And I was like, oh, that's how I sound like all the time. That's like what I, I went and studied abroad in Costa Rica back in the day. And literally everyone you meet, you're like, oh, yeah, I'm from Seattle. They're like, oh, is that by New York? Like, no. When I went to Pennsylvania, it's not by New York. A lot of my family lives in Pittsburgh. And as a kid, we would go there and all my cousins would be like, do you guys know, like Tom Cruise? Not good, no.

No, I don't. There's a lot of people here. There's a lot of people here. He's actually the last person I probably ever know is Tom Cruise. For a multitude of reasons. I'm trying to imagine the odds of that. What have you just said yes? Oh, Tommy?

Yeah, we get lunch every Wednesday. All right, goodbye, everyone.