The Ringer NFL Show - Three Pro Comps for the Top WR Prospects (and One Tight End)

Episode Date: March 28, 2024

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Horlebeck, we are going to roll through three pro comparisons for every top receiver prospect in this year's draft. We're going to just explain some guys by remembering some other guys. This is just a really deep receiver class of fantasy football, which you might like because this is a fantasy football show. They're always deep these days. Feels like every year now the wide receivers are deep, right? Isn't that a trend? No such thing as a bad wide receiver class. This one's better, though. This was pretty safe. DK is this one not extra good, an extra, extra great receiver class? I mean, I think when you have two blue chip guys like Marvin Harrison Jr. and Malik neighbors,

and then also Ruma Dunez, some might consider even better than those guys. Top 10 picks, top five picks? Yes, I think this is a better class than normal. We're going to go through all that. We're also going to talk the kickoff return rule. The NFL reproves. Let's get into the pro-coms for every receiver. DK and Solek are going to give us comparisons for receivers.

But again, these guys, you know, your fate is not set necessarily. you know, guys can come in and be a 10 out of 10 outcome, a zero out of 10 outcome. So you guys are going to give us a high-end outcome, a low-end outcome, and a mid-range outcome for each of these guys. And, D.K., lead us off here. All right, we're going to do Marvin Harrison, Jr. Heard of them. Big fan.

My comp in the draft guide was like if Marvin Harrison had a tall son. That doesn't really help anyone here. So let's do something different. My high-end comp for Marvin Harrison, Jr., is A.J. Green. So basically, a guy who's going to come into league, hit the ground running, put up like, I don't know. How many, how many 1,000-yard seasons did AJ Green have, a whole bunch? 19. He had 19.

I think he had, let's see here. Well, his first five season, six out of eight. Yeah. Six. He had six, and his sixth of seven seasons was nine hundred and sixty-four. Yeah. And he had a lot of foot injuries then that tailed off. But AJ Green actually was really way better than he.

He was an amazing player. And so, you know, obviously, I think that the end of his career kind of like hurt the impression that you have of him a little bit, but. Cardinals, AJ Green. Yeah. Right. Like, he was awesome. He was really, really awesome

the first, like, you know, seven, eight years of his career. So, obviously, I think stylistically, they're similar players. Like, body type, they're similar players.

I think the production could be similar. My mid-range one was tough because I think even if he doesn't end up being as good as we all think he's going to be, he's still going to be, like a very useful,

solid, like, you know, a number two type receiver or something like that. This is the two comps I came up with were T. Higgins and Siddy Rice. I think T. maybe not a true number one receiver in the NFL,

just a very, very good number two. Going back a couple more years, like Sydney Rice is always a very good receiver, not necessarily a superstar type player. And then my low-end comp would be a guy like Lequant Treadwell or something like that, a guy who had really high expectations but just didn't do anything in the league.

Although I think he might still be in the league, or at least he was in the league as of the Jaguar. He was in the league as of last year, but obviously he did not live up to the hype because he was very, like, highly hyped first round type player. And none of them hold a candle to Marvin Harrison, if Marvin Harrison's senior had a really, really tall son. But no, I think that the AJ Green comparison is the one that you hear most frequently.

I know you put it as your high-end comp. I think it's just the comp. The more and more I try to parse, like, how I feel about Marvin Harrison versus Malik Neighbors, because I like Malik Neighbors a ton. He is so good. And to me, like, there's no question that Marvin Harrison will be my wide receiver one. And the reason, like, I'm trying to figure out, like, why do I feel this way about it, I keep coming back to the fact, like, it's just I struggle so much to find a way that Marvin Harrison misses.

It's just, for a guy of this size, to be this technically refined, to separate this well against this variety of coverages, to catch the ball as easily away from his frame, adjust, get low to the ball, get high to the ball. Like, it's just there's so much he does well. And that was always the thing with AJ Green. On AJ Green, people would be like, oh, he's tall. Look at him. He's really big. But no, watch AJ Green, dude. Like, he does everything.

Perfect. And so I think they're like comping him to a ex top five pick in AJ Green, a guy who went to multiple pro bowls who had all pro performances. Like I think it's legitimately fair to set those expectations for Marvin Harrison. Some of the reasons why people are knocking Marvin Harrison down a little bit is like, Ben, what you just said. Like I can't imagine him missing. And then DK, even you saying my high end comp is A.J. Green. I think there are people out there who would say, your high in comps, AJ Green. Isn't the high end comp for Roma Duns Day, Devonte Adams, who like might be better than A.J. Green career-wise?

you'd rather have the AJ Green? Is the issue with Marvin Harrison is that while his ceiling is incredibly, or while his floor is incredibly high, is his ceiling as high as the other guys in this draft as well? So my response to that would be like when I use Comps, like I'm trying to describe like play style and role. I'm trying less to describe like, you know. Exact stats.

Like how many pro bowls are going to have, how many all pros are going to have, right? Comps is more to be like, hey, like, do you remember how this guy used to play in the league? Remember how age used to play? That's how Marvin Harrison is going to be able to play. That's the sort of role he's going to be able to fill. Because that's the thing is like, play style is kind of concrete.

You know, a tiger doesn't change the stripes. How you are is how you are. How you play is how you play. You can be better or worse within that play style, but it kind of is the role that you have. Like, I think another guy that I sometimes use to kind of illustrate what I think about Marvin Harrison Jr. and how he's going to be used is Larry Fitzgerald. I've also used Fitzgerald for Rome as well. But if you think about Fitzgerald was like, oh, Fitzgerald was this big body.

He was this tall guy. But he was running separation routes, middle of the field out of the slot. That's the sort of stuff you can do with Marvin. So I'm using the name to describe the role. Now, obviously, when you start using these names, these are really, really successful receivers. You are generating a projection of like having a high ceiling. But that makes sense for the top guys, right?

Like we're going to get to the 12th receiver we do today, Xavier Leggett, and I'm going to walk out and say AJ Brown. Not because I think he's going to have an AJ Brown level, like, you know, ascendant's top five receiver because that's the sort of role that he's going to fill. That makes sense. Nothing drives D.K. crazier than when he's like, yeah, Roma Dunes.

It reminds me Devante Adams. And you're like, oh, so Roman Duneses, who's going to be as good as Guestavante Adams. You're like, that's no one I said. Instant trigger for D.K. We had a very long drawn-out discussion of what we were going to say when we put when I first started doing the draft guide for the ringer. It was like, what are we going to say?

Pro-comp, you know, like whatever. We agonized over the wording. And we chose shades of exactly because it's not a fucking one-to-one comp. We're not like saying this guy's going to be this player. I'm just trying to get at the core of why people are nervous about Marvin Harrison, Jr. That's because D.K says he'll exactly be too much time on their hands. I'll tell you why.

Because Marvin Harrison's sophomore season was better than his junior season. And so people just, oh, you were telling me how great Marvin Harrison Jr. was all last year. You're telling me already was 16 months ago. Why didn't he produce any better?

Because Kyle McCourt's not good, dude. What do you want for me? But this is the same knock on Drake May. Who cares? He did it once and then his teammates got worse. He did that a year younger? Like, that's good news, my G. Marvin, like, Marvin's going to be good.

man, I promise you. I love that. This is probably going to be four quarterbacks in the first four picks of the draft year and the Chargers is just going to be sitting there

essentially with the first pick in the draft because they wouldn't have taken a quarterback anyway. Unless JJ fell. If JJ fell, who knows? Maybe. John Harper is the greatest

quarterback ever I've ever seen. Then they're shipping off Herbert. But like Marvin Harrison, Jr. might just like fall and land on the Chargers with Justin Herbert and everything's wonderful. From your lips to Chargers fans' prayers,

man. I mean, they are, they are hoping. So, so like, next up here, Malik Neighbors, the receiver from LSU, who also had his pro day today. It was ran a 43540 yard dash, which was totally overshadowed by the whole Jid and Daniel's elbow thing.

Malik Neighbors, man. I knew, like, you can watch him for three plays and be like, oh my gosh, this guy's so explosive. Yeah. But still, when a guy jumps 42, it's just like, when he runs 435, it's still like, you have to try not to double count it's so freaking fun. Malik Neighbors.

I think the high end for Malik neighbors is Jamar Chase. I think that if you go and Malik neighbors, he came in at legit six foot 200, which is good for him. I thought like there was a chance that he was a little bit more like on the 190, 511, like I'm a true speed sursized. He came to true six foot 200, which is about what Jamar Chase was.

Chase ran a 434, 41 vertical, 11 foot broad, right? Neighbors had like an 114 and a 42 inch vert. Like the level of explosiveness is the same. Now Chase has a degree of play strength and ability to break tackles that I currently don't see with neighbors, but there's still that sensation of like, oh, it's third and seven. What if we threw a wide receiver screen that went for 86 yards? Like that Jamar Chase sensation,

you also have some of that in neighbors film, the downfield ability and the explosiveness. I think that that's a good high end comp for him. The comp that you see frequently for neighbors that I do think is fair as DJ Moore. I think that's a good middle of the road Goldilocks comp for him where it's like, hey, Moore's bigger now. Moore's denser. Again, both Chase and Moore, they break more tackles.

They're bigger bodies than Malik neighbors is. But that insane explosiveness, that first step to get on top of you, and then that third step and that fifth steps to really fly away from you. Walking explosive play, where you throw behind the line of scrimmage on a slant or down the field. Like that DJ Moore style of game-breaking ability, I think, is present in neighbors. The low-end com, which I a little bit shoehorned it just for the sake of this podcast, and I know what you guys like.

The low-end comp is Cadarius, Tony, where it's taking some of the off-field shenanigans away from it. And the off-sized shenanigans. Off-size shenanigans. Some of the injury shenanigans. The various Cadarius Tony shenanigans. Tony goes in the first round of the New York Giants. Why? Because he's a walking explosive play.

And we have great designs on this guy. He's going to be our primary target. We're running the offense through him. And every fourth or fifth, Cadarius Tony design touches insane. And a Cadarius Tony punt return in the Super Bowl becomes a game-changing play. He still is a walking game breaker.

But the snap-to-snap consistency is not there. And I think if neighbors misses, It's because his routes are lack some polish. He's not as good of a tackle breaker as you'd like for him to be. And accordingly, he's going to be more of a design touch guy. You're trying to funnel targets to. But you just can't actually be a cornerstone of your offense because he can't withstand that much volume.

So low end, Cadarious Tony. It's crazy that even if Malik Neighbors has an unbelievable career, he still very likely will not have as many rings as Cadarius, Tony. Kidarius says it's a winner. He's just a winner. What do you want? Also, that's a masterful comparison. and considering it's really possible that the Giants do get Malik neighbors.

And then it's like you could just explain to Giants fans. What if Cadarious Tony was a good pick? What if Cadarious Tony worked out? What if it went well? That's unbelievable. Okay. D-K., next up here. Yeah, let's talk about Roma Dunesay.

My high comp is the guy who I compared him to in my draft guide, which is Devante Adams. Just a number one receiver, a true number one guy, a guy that you can line up anywhere on the formation. He's going to get open. He's going to win at the catch point. He's just going to route guys up. up. He's got the size, physicality, overall athleticism, speed, hops, really good at the catch point in contested catch situations. So obviously, again, this is a very, very high-end comp. This is a maybe it's pie in the sky to some people that he'll end up being ever as good as Devante Adams is because Adams is one of the greatest receivers of all time.

And you're saying that he'll be exactly like Devante Adams. So that's exactly what I'm saying, yes. It's just hard to get that out of my mind. You know, when I hear it, I can't separate it. But, you know, obviously he's got a long ways to go for that. But yeah, I like just stylistically, this is what we were talking about earlier. He is just kind of in that same mold in terms of size, physicality, route running, the whole package. My mid-range comp, this one was tough because there's been a lot of guys sort of his size 6, 3, 2, 15 or so. I put Michael Crabtree, some mix of Michael Crabtree and Kenny Britt.

Ben, you remember Kenny Britt? He loved Kenny Britt. The longest time Kenny Britt was one of those players who physically, speaking and talent wise. A lot of people loved him. He's going to be this great player, but he just never really quite put it all together. I put Michael Crabtree because I think he was a really good player,

just never turned out to be a great player in the NFL. And again, in a really highly productive player in college who came into the NFL. I would say he's really good, not great. And then the low end comp for him, I put Corey Davis, who was a top 10 pick, you know, obviously extremely,

extremely productive in college, came to the NFL and just wasn't, like he just never really, I still believe in Corey Davis just a little bit. He's coming out of retirement. Yeah. Yeah. If he came out of retirement, got in shape, good system.

No, he is. He came out of retirement. Oh, he did? It's happening, yes. Oh. Dude, by low, I've got my Corey Davis stock. We're ready to go. All right.

But yeah, basically just a guy who I think was good, people considered him a pretty decent player, just never really panned out in the NFL. Matt Harmon, who does great work at charting receivers at reception, wrote for Roma Dunezzi this week. He wrote that, O'Dunzei's prospect charting profile might just be the most impressive I've ever collected.

And O'Donzie is the first guy that Matt Hart, he basically just success rate on every route. And Romadunzee is the first guy that ever got all green route tree. That's wild. So I'm curious if Marvin Harrison, Jr. was named Fred. Because I really do think,

it's like he's still his son, but he just isn't named Marvin Harrison every time you say his name. Is there a world where it's a totally acceptable thing to just say Roma Dunzei is like the best receiver in this class? And if not, why? I think it's, I think it's, it would be acceptable. I also think like the, the Marvin Harrison thing, like, Jerry Rice's son is in this draft.

Like, that's not. But his name is Brendan. His name is Brendan. He's his son. Marvin Harrison is not just, like, like, floating on his dad's name. And McCaffrey's son is in this draft. Yeah. I, like, I understand where you're going with his high fits.

I don't think he's like basically skating by on his dad's name. Like, he is awesome at football. He literally is, but I hear you. Luke McCaffrey is in this draft. Yeah. Brendan Rice. Jerry Rice's son is in this draft. We haven't talked about it one time in this whole freaking thing.

Brendan. Brendan. Brendan Harrison. Do you think if Roma Dunsay's name was Marvin Harrison? Like if Roma Dunzee was Marvin Harrison's son, would he be the number one receiver in the draft? That's what I'm asking, actually. That's a good way of asking it, yeah. I like to think that I can evaluate him and strip the name away from it.

I probably can't. There's going to be some bias no matter what. I'll tell you this. I like Rome more than I like neighbors, which I think is pretty much a hot take thing. the league and across those places. Rome's wide receiver two for me. I'm really hoping we get, you know, neighbors goes early and Marvin goes early

and Rome falls a little bit and then Fandel opens the rookie of the year odds offensive rookie of the year and Rome is remarkably below those two guys so I'll take him in a heartbeat. Like Rome is plug and play, dude. He is ready to go. Also, you know what?

We've been joking about this Marvin Harrison Jr. thing for the last two months. Typically, I don't like when somebody is the son of a major athlete. Like, how often does that ever work out? Most of the time, those guys suck. Michael Jordan's kids were not good. LeBron's kid sucks on USC.

Like, most of the time being the son of the athlete actually never works. So I don't know why this is the one time. Well, we can't separate. You saw a great athletes, but like disproportionately people are some of the great. I mean, Patrick Mahomes' dad was a professional athlete. Like, that stuff's not. Yeah, but when has an elite Hall of Fame level athlete had a son that was also elite Hall of Fame level?

Like, that does not happen. What is Steph Curry? His dad was an NBA player. It's like, it's just the pool of elite. athletes is really small. Del Curry was not a Hall of Famer. Yeah, neither was Ken Griffey Sr. Oh, I didn't even know if Ken Griffey Sr.

played basketball. They played together on the same team. They did the LeBron. They hit home runs back to back. You know, the best hundred athletes of all time, how many of them have children that became future best athletes of all time? Like, it doesn't happen that much. For some reason, with Marvin Harrison, we're like, well, he's the son of a really

good wide receiver. So obviously, we have to inflate the value so much more. So you're asking if this would be, where is this rank in the actual quality of Fathersundoo? because I think Archie Manning, either the team suck, but Archie Manning was pretty good. And obviously Peyton and Eli were, so like, is there one better than that?

Because I see what you're saying. It's actually not that common for a superstar to have a son that becomes a superstar. Is Ken Griffey Sr. in the Hall of Fame? Oh, the Barry Bonds, too. His dad was pretty good. Let me, let me say this, though. Like, I hear you.

At the same time, Ohio State had like nine first round receivers. And then they were all, like, Jacksonville and Jigba, who went 20 overall, was on the field with Marvin Harrow. Harrison and we were watching them like, holy smokes, Marvin Harrison's junior is so much better than everyone on the field. Like this is, this guy is elite. Like, we had like good, like, relative measures from Marvin Harrison now, like in this era of football as he's playing on the field at college and like he was dominating, right? Like, he didn't like win the Blentikoff by accident. Oh, he won the Blentikoff

by one vote and neighbors is more productive. So maybe he did kind of win it on his name. But in general, we, we know for sure this guy's a very good wide receiver prospect. If you want to argue the top two percent the cream on top is a little Marvin Harrison bump maybe. But I promise you the 98% is legit. Here are the answers. Howie Long, his kids, maybe just,

but Chris Long was like the second pick in the draft. Carlos, those you dare call Chris Long and disappointment. Vlad Guerrero for the, yeah, Nicknamed I'm not going to get right. But the blue, Vlad Guerrero was obviously awesome and his son.

He swings just like his dad too, which is wild. Carbon copy, except just thicker. But like, Vlad Jr. was like second MVP voting. Cecil Fielder's son was really good,

wasn't he? Yeah, but I think that Vlad, Vlad Guerrero is a hall. Famer and his son like almost one MVP. So I actually think that, but it's a good question, Craig. I'm just saying like there's like handfuls. It's not like they're cranking out offspring superstars.

Because like it's becoming a competition. Matt Holiday also, his son, Jackson Holliday is like the best prospect of baseball. So it's becoming more of everything. Anyway, next up. But can we all agree that this is the top tier receiver and now there's a tier drop, right? Like Marvin Harrison Jr., Malik neighbors, Roma Dunes. No one would be shocked if one of those guys was a hallfammer. No one would be stunned.

Yeah. And the one thing I wanted to add before we move away from these three guys, guys is like we're splitting hairs when we talk about oh he's the top receiver he's the second receiver he's the third receiver these are all very good player like it's very very close for all three of these guys in any draft i would be comfortable taking one of these three receivers at five overall cool yeah well because you know what's interesting is i went back i was looking at like the last seven or eight wide receiver classes and it and only two of the eight classes was the first overall wide receiver taken actually ended up being the best wide receiver in the class and it was

2021, Jamar Chase, 2018, DJ Moore, both Malik neighbors' comps. But if you look at every other year, the last eight years, it was like last year, it's probably Pooka Nakua. 2022, Garrett Wilson or Chris Olive, which were the second or third off the board, so that's not a big deal. 2020, it was C.D. Lamb, third off the board. 2019, Debo, AJ Brown, and Metcalf were all second rounders. 2017, it's Cooper Cup, third rounder. 2016, Michael Thomas, second rounder.

So I'm very curious to get into this bottom list here because, like, odds are one of these guys might be the best receiver in this class. Who, like, again, like, whoever the third receiver is off the board, if their odds are longer problems at the roker of the year, I will take it the night of day one, without question. So with that said, Saul, give us the next guy here. Not necessarily even a receiver. I think we just have to talk about Brock Bowers. Yeah, potentially like the fourth pass catcher off the board, right?

So, yeah, Brock Bowers tied out of Georgia, who we didn't, we don't have full testing on him yet. He did not test at the combine. I can't recall if Georgia has had their pro day. No, they did, because Kamari Lasser ran. He didn't run out of the pro day. I think he's been dealing with hands. Because he broke his ankle in November. Yeah, for the entire process.

And so Bowers, we know he's undersized, right? Six, three, two, forty three. I do think that the high end comp for him is George Kittle. I could see him walking to the head and a Kittle-like effect. The thing that Bowers does best is yards after the catch. Kittles is the leading tight end and the league in yards after the catch, in part because the system he plays in in San Francisco, but also because he's just a bulldozer off the chain, right?

When he gets the ball in his hands, like he has got long speed. He has got tackle breaking ability. Like I think, and then the blocking stuff as well. Bowers is a plus blocker for his size. On the scale of NFL tight ends, he might not be a plus blocker, but for his size, he's a plus blocker. That is also true of George Kittle. I do think that middle of the road comp of Sam Laporta is a fair one, right? And you've seen the same Laporta comparison.

We've talked about it before. The consistency in the hands, the ability to be a high volume pass catcher receiving tight end, a focal point of the offense. I think Bowers has that sort of pass catching tree as well. Low end comp, it was tricky to find out. There's 10 trillion, a little bit undersized tight ends who are good at. athletes who were good with the ball in their hands in college who like didn't hit. But all those guys were like round five picks, round six picks. None of those guys had the talent, had the production that Bowers does.

The guy I landed on was Evan Ingram, who came out super undersized. Yeah, I'm just, I'm nailing an ex first round Giants on this pod. You thought this was three pro cons for every draft process. This was just me naming bad giants. Just picking it scabs. Evan Ingram, who it's weird because Ingram, if you go and you look over the course of his career, he's had at least 500 receiving yards in five of the seven seasons that he's played. He just had 114 receptions for the Jaguars.

So he's had like a productive career, but it took him a long time to like really get the receiving production under him. He never really hit on the draft capital that was spent on him. And while he was a good athlete, he just wasn't consistent enough catching the football or breaking tackles, right? This yards after the catch, I think really being the secret sauce here for Bowers. He just wasn't good enough breaking tackles. Like he didn't create enough explosives.

So Bowers is going to get like low depth of target looks because of his yards off of the catch, he has to be able to create afterwards to find the explosive plays. Ingram can't find them, and he's just like a stick mover, target three for the Jaguars. That's the thing the range you're looking at for Bowers. I even wrote it in my draft guide blurb that if he gets stuck with the wrong coach or the wrong team, like it could take a lot longer than you think it would for him. That's like my main fear is some coach, some gibroni, he'll just be like, yeah, yeah, we're going to make him just a normal tight end.

We're not going to like ask him to do anything, you know, with screens or sweeps or put the ball in his hands in space. We're just going to try and turn him into like a normal tight end. So that's my biggest fear. But hopefully he lands with a team that has a creative O.C. Do you think we're almost underselling how good Brock Bowers is because everyone's gone shy about how the cow pips think went? I remember last year when we were doing this, we were like, man, once Brock Bowers declares

next year, like, he is going to be a force to be reckoned with. And now it's like, hey, he'll go mid first. Well, the other thing is right, right, when you just, the tackle and wide receiver classes are so good that it's like, it's like Bowers is. he's great. He's one of the highest graded prospects that I have. Once you start including positional value, he's not one of the five most valuable offensive weapons to draft.

If you include tackles in that, right? When you're talking about the wide receivers and then like Joe All and all the Fushana and whatever. The other thing is that when you get like, when you start looking at, when you start getting past the quarterback teams, a lot of these teams are talking about already have tight end set. Like Cardinals at four of Tray McBride, they're good.

Chargers at five. But like again, you're going to have Malik neighbors. You're going to have Marvin Harris on the board. Giants at six theoretically with Darren Waller, right? Titans at set. seven, Chicago Conquah, they're set. Falcons at eight, Kyle Pitts, they're set.

Chicago has a big extension on, on Cole Comette. The Jets at 10, I still think are a very good candidate at stake Brock Bowers. And I would call that a great pick if that happened. Brock Bowers goes 10 overall. Once you get past him, they have Vikings at 11. They have T.J. Hawkinson. Broncos at 12 or another team that I like for Brock Bowers. I still think we can see him be like a top 12, top 14th selection.

You think he could go fifth to L.A.? I don't think so. I don't think that for as good as he is, they know they need a wide receiver talent, right? That's like, that team is in such desperate need of legit players on the outside that I think they would go wide receiver first. And I will say,

the only feel I'll say, Giants with Darren Waller, they kind of Corey Davidson, where they created such a horrible situation. He retired. He retired. He retired. He was like, I'd literally rather retire.

Yes. To play here. So next up here, we're also have Brian Thomas receiver at LSU who's the teammate of the league neighbors, but also low-key, maybe even more incredible athlete somehow.

Brian Thomas is funny because if you watch his highlights, you almost can't watch Brian Thomas highlights because it's literally just Jane Daniels, chucking the ball 50 yards. And then there's just, he's almost, it's like I'm watching like Marquez Valdez Scantling highlights.

I'm like, I actually don't know if this guy's good because he's always just open for a 50 yard ball. We have arrived at the low end comp for Ryan Thomas. There it is. We're all done. Yeah. So Thomas, I will say, when you go, like, having watched enough, like, I've watched a lot of Jane Daniels at this point, Scouting Daniels, watched a lot of that offense.

I've watched a lot of the other receivers. I've still really love Keon Coleman. But if you're making me hang my hat on a wide receiver in the second tier at this point, I think I'm doing it on Brian Thomas. I'm a believer in this. I love the fact that I'm getting size with speed. I think that's so great. Like legit size 63209.

When I talked about him on the wide receiver intro pod that we had a few months ago, I was like, man, I don't know if he's really carrying 63 205. That's why I said. I was like, he might come under that. He came in on that and above that. So this is legit size running 433 speed. And he's got length, right? 33 inch arms as well.

Like this is the sort of body I want to get into my building. The high end comp, which this is a good comp, but it never works as a high end comp because of off-field stuff is Martavis Bryant. But if you remember Prime Martavis Brian in the mid-20-tenths for the Steelers, but it was just like, holy frick, you just can't cover the dude. He's too big and he's too fast. What are we supposed to do with this? But Brian obviously had a ton of off-field issues and out of the league.

And so, again, that's describing the play style. I think it still functions as a good comp. The square-on comp is Christian Watson, who also has dealt with injuries, right? He's also, like, not been, I think, exactly what the Packers drafted him for. But again, you're talking about 6-4-208. He ran a 4-3-6, got 33-inch arms. like the downfield potential, the explosive play, the peak plays are getting from Watson. That's what you're drafted Thomas for.

And then the low end is MVS, which is that sometimes these sorts of players become just too mercurial, right? You have the Gabe Davis issue where they either have a hundred yards or 20. And so you can't actually like have them be an integral part of the offense. You need all the receivers who are more the primary target getters because the only thing you're getting out of this guy is like 35-yard completions. That's just not a reliable way to move the football down the field. So I'm very, very confident in Thomas having a good role in the league, right? like MVS got a big contract from the chiefs, despite not really ever doing anything for the Packers.

Christian Watson came out of North Dakota State was the top 35 pick for the Packers, right? Like these sorts of players are very valued by the lead because they for certain fit a role. And instead of being the 510, a buck 80 speed guy, that's the 6-3-2-10 speed guy, that's really, really nice. So I'm confident in the floor on Thomas.

The ceiling is a question of, can he stay on the field, how much volume can he take? But I'm betting on Brian Thomas moving forward. Xavier Worthy, ran the fastest 40-yard dash ever. and he weighs 165 pounds. Brian Thomas weighs 45 more pounds than Xavier Worthy

and ran a tenth of a second slower. Imagine Xavier Worthy running with a 45-pound barbell. I think I saw... Dan Brugler wrote this, I believe, on Twitter, that Thomas is flying 20, so the final 20 yards of his 40-yard dash was just as fast as Xavier Worthy. So it takes him a little bit longer to get going,

but man, this guy can freaking fly once he gets going. The one thing I would say about Thomas that I'm just a little worried about is like he might be a little bit more quarterback sensitive in terms of like what kind of quarterback he's playing with than some of these other guys in the class where I don't think he's going to be necessarily like a quick uncover high volume short and intermediate type player. This is what Ben said basically. But like, you know, I think he's going to be a downfield deep threat. And if he gets matched up with like a really good downfield thrower, like he could absolutely light the NFL up. but if he's on an offense that doesn't really do that or like the quarterback is not very aggressive or whatever it could take a little longer than you think.

Yeah. If he goes 14 to the Saints and Derek Carr, I'm going to revolt. Yeah, that's like the Olave thing. If he goes 15, one pick later to the Colts, Anthony Richardson, I'm going to streak on day one. That is the world we're living in right now with Brian Thomas's landing spot. DK., next up here, you have Ladd-McConkie,

the receiver at Georgia. You actually have rated higher than Brian Thomas and your big board at NFLdraft.com or all of TK scouting. Let it do. 70 scouting reports, baby. But, Dika, why do you have Ladd-Baconke higher than Brian Thomas? I guess go through your comps here. This is something I've said in the past.

These are like two completely different player. Like the receiver, when you look at the receiver position, it's like this is several different positions within a position. I think like Brian Thomas is a very different style player than Ladd-Baconke. I have Lab McConkey so high because I just think he is going to be a productive, high-volume player in the NFL. He can line up everywhere on the formation. He was actually 70% outside. I think a lot of people look at like a smaller white receiver and think he's just automatically going to be a slot receiver. That's not necessarily the case. He was outside a lot in college.

So my high-end comp for McConkey is like Doug Baldwin was the guy that came to mind. Like a guy who's really good as a route runner is quick as hell in terms of separating at both off-the-line scrimmage and at the route stem, extremely, extremely explosive accelerators. So basically guys that can just like, they're just quick as hell, both out of their stance into the route and at the top of their route. And after the catch, by the way. So I think maybe like, and this is right after I said he's not just a slot receiver,

but he also kind of reminded me of Amman Raus St. Brown in the way that he's just always moving at like full speed at all times. Like he's just so fast, so explosive, so quick, I guess. and so I think McConkey has the potential in the NFL if he gets in the right system and gets the right quarterback where he could be a high volume pass catcher. My mid-range guy would be like a good solid pro

that never really turns into a star like Sterling Shepard. What a day for the Giants, man. I know. I mean, Sterling Shepard was good. Sheff was what? It was round three? I think round two, I think. That's okay.

And he was like good. He ended up getting really bad injured. Didn't you have like an Achilles and an ACO? Yeah, he had the Clay Thompson. The ACL into the Achilles. Is he in the league? Is he still in the Giants? No, we sunset at him this offseason.

Okay. But anyways, before injuries really kind of like threw him off track, like he was always a very good pro. Like, again, a high volume guy that could be counted on to get open, catch the football, do a little bit after the catch. And then my low end comp would be a guy like Dante Pettis who everyone was really excited about coming out of college. Good route runner, really quick, separator.

This was off Kyle Shanahan and we never hear from him again. Yeah. And then he just didn't do anything. He had one. He had like, one period, one like stretch of six or seven games where he was awesome and then he didn't do anything else for the rest of his career. He's still in the league, but not like a star. He's on the Bears. But we need a word for receivers like that where they're used to like justify the fact that

the team needs receiving help. Like the Titans was like they have their best receivers. Nick Westbrook Akita. And it's like the Justin Fields said no help with the Bears. This first season he had Equanimia St. Brown and Dante Pettis. Like that's what Dante Pettis is. He's the guy. I know that sucks. You know the Yu-Gio meme where it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a lot. You know, it's What's the main character's name, Yugi? Is it? I can't remember. I never watched.

But anyway, it's him being like, it should have been me. Not him. It should have been me. That's how I feel about Dante Pettus now watching Brandon Iyuk. I love Pettish so much. And when he got that,

I was like, this is perfect. And then I didn't like Iyuk. And then Iuk just completely knocked Pettus off the spot. And I should have been Pettus, man. It should have been his. I officially want Lad on the Steelers at 20. I think he'd fit perfectly. Lairdard.

Pair him with Pickens. I know that, I know it's like the stereotype of, like you compare the white receiver to a white NFL player. But every time I watch him, I'm just like, this guy just seems like mini Cooper Cup. And I just like, I want that on my team. You think the Steelers would invest early in a Georgia prospect? I'm not sure.

It seems bold. Is that for them? Little pickings and lad? Come on. I just love that. I just love D.K., the first way D.K. ever described Ladd McConkey to be was he's a fucking baller.

He's just going to be good. There's just no scenario in which Ladd McCongue is not productive in the NFL when you watch him. Just like, this guy's going to work. Like, even if he's just, even if he's going to work. Even if he's not putting up thousand-year seasons, like worst-case scenario, he'll be like a productive player in your team. Yeah.

He ran a 4-39. I feel like that's kind of flying under the radar. Like, this guy's insanely athletic. I want him. That's insane. Yeah. No, Ladd.

The irony is like everyone's, the same way Cooper DeGene keeps getting sent to the Patriot, the Packers, because it's like a white guy going to Green Bay. Everyone keeps giving Ladd-McConkie to New England because it's like a white receiver, except that like the Patriots actually are in perfect position to take Ladd-McConkey.

I don't know. I think it actually will happen, but not for that reason. D.K., next up here, I would say this guy might be the most polarizing receiver maybe in the draft. He was A.D. Mitchell, the receiver out of Texas, nay, Georgia. So you go by A.D. or Adonai? How does it? So, oh, God, all right. Okay.

So his name is eight, I should probably explain this. A.D. He goes by for simplicity. His name is Adonai. Sorry, he pronounces it. I don't think that's like Adonai, which is a word that. us Jewish people use for the word God. And there is real disagreement on whether that should be said

for like a person who's not God. So for everyone's sake, we just say AD. Well, A.D. Mitchell has the confidence of a God. So there's that. Which you like to see in receivers. This is like the same deal as a quarterback. You want to have these guys believe they're, you know, the second coming or whatever.

Adi Mitchell to me, he's maybe not the most controversial or whatever. What was the word you use? the most polarizing. I'd say he's the most confounding. He confounds me because I really liked his tape a lot. I think there are flashes where he looks

incredible. And then there were other plays and his overall production was very underwhelming. So I don't really know what to do with this guy. My high-end comp, I originally had it as CD-Lam because I think he moves in a similar manner to CD-Lam. I don't think

he's a similar style player, though. So I put George Pickens. CDLAM kind of sandwalks, right? Like he kind of does the sandwalk. Yeah, he's just like really smooth and... Lides. Yeah, exactly. And he's like really twitchy in the short area.

But anyways, so I put George Pickens because 80 Mitchell, I think, is going to be, generally speaking at the beginning of his career, an outside guy. A guy that wins at the catch point makes astounding catches down the sideline where you're like, how the hell did he catch that? He got one foot or two feet in or whatever.

I love Pickens. Yeah, he's like that style of player. They have similar body types. They're both very fast. like Piggins ran, I don't remember what he ran, but he was very good for, very good athleticism for his size. And yeah,

basically a guy that can like win on the outside, separate in the short area, and is probably going to be a little bit like frustrating at the NFL level for a number of reasons. And so that's my high end comp, my mid-range comp, and this is going a little bit against what Ben said earlier. I put Martavis Bryant because,

but as like overall his career, like I could see A.D. Mitchell having the type of career as Martavis Bryant where he has a couple good, like big time years, but then overall it's just a little bit, like, leaves you wanting more. So now these comps are comparing it to what type of career they could have because we weren't doing that earlier.

Now we're doing that. Jeez, get off my back, Craig. Craig's just rabble-rousing at this point. Well, you got to call them. I see him. No, this is both stylistic and career-wise, okay? So get off my freaking back. No, stylistically, they have...

Fuck off, Craig. I'm changing my high-end Brian Thomas comp to D.K. Mac. There we go. Look, I would relive the Martavis-Bryan era. I had a great time. Can I posit a different low-end comp for 80 Mitchell? Yes. Yeah? Do you remember that time Jay Cutler lined up as a wide receiver on the dolphins?

And they snapped the ball and he just sat there with his hips, hands on his hips, and he just watched the play, didn't move a muscle. And then just like they ran a wildcat. That 80 Mitchell is the most disinterested player I've ever seen when he's not getting the ball. Like, I've never, and tell me if you guys think I'm wrong. Oh, no. Has there ever been a wide receiver that is less interested in the ball? play when he knows he's not getting the ball. George Pickens is honestly up there.

I was going to say yes. There absolutely has been. In the same way that like Caleb Williams' pseudo-psycho-analysis is the thing that happens in the spring and doesn't matter in the fall. Every year there's like two or three receivers who was like, look at how much this guy loaves. Then he walks in the league, he's other good or he's not.

I think it has no predictive power whatsoever. I think that cool. All the time though. Every game. Yeah, but college offenses are fake and dumb. And like, you know you're not in the concept. I'm like, I like, obviously like if it were up me, I would be out there running the route to my hardest. Because that's the other way I would be able to successfully get any snaps. But if I, if I were A.D. Mitchell, all right?

And I were goaded on the sticks. I also would be chilling when I knew it wasn't getting the wall. I apologize. I forget who said this. But someone made the point. It actually was proof he has really high football IQ because he's never wrong about when he's not getting the ball. Dude, there was one play high fits. I saw, apologies.

I can't remember who pointed this out. There was a play where he was on the way on the right side. at the snap, it was clear the play was going to the left. He beat the guy off the line really badly, like made the corner stumble. And then the rest of the way through the route, he was just like in the guy's face, like talking

shit to him. Like not looking back for the football. Yeah, not looking back for the football, not paying attention to what's going on on the other side of the field. I think this is a big part of the reason a lot of people do not like AD Mitchell, like his personality or cockiness. I'm in on him. But let's be

real. He beat the hell out of a guy. off the line of scrimmage, he knew it. He knew the ball wasn't coming to his side, so he wanted to talk some shit. Yeah. I'll never forget back with that Washington catch that he had at the end of the fourth quarter. That like double clutch corner the end zone, pulled it down. He's got hands, man. It's sticky.

He can play. And also, that was like shortly after he screamed at the sideline to get him the fucking football. I can't wait for the div. We're going to do the diva rankings this year at receiver. He's going to just like, as a rookie, just join the top. Ad. D. Mitchell is the player in this draft class that I am going to not be surprised whatsoever if he's a superstar in the NFL, and I'm also going to be not surprised whatsoever if he just never does anything. Like he's like Terrace Marshall or something.

Next up, we have Keon Coleman, the receiver at a Florida state, nay, Michigan State, who I feel like is Solex version of A.D. Mitchell. Yeah. Good player, man. Big fan of Keon Coleman. The comment that everybody has for him is Alan Robinson. It came like right after Keon ran the 4-6 in the in the 40. Alan Robinson, very famous, he ran a 4-6, but they're both big, and they both had good jumps, and they both went down the field, and they can win up against the sideline, and they also went over the middle of the field. And so, like, okay, the Allen Robinson comp is great. I do think that, like, when you think about those early Jacksonville teams, Robinson was hit in a thousand-yard seasons, he had bad quarterbacking, but he was helping

out the bad quarterbacks. Like, that's a fair comp for Keon Coleman. My middle-of-the-road comp for him is Drake London. I very much see him as a player like London, who's going to win with size, he's going to be able to big boy you, but he's better working the middle of the field and he has enough speed and he has enough explosiveness to be successful at all three levels. This is not just like a jump ball specialist, right? If you were to comp Keon Coleman to like, just like, you know, Kenny Gallaudet, like I don't think that's accurate. He's so much better at running routes and creating the middle of the field. They were throwing wide receiver screens to this guy. And again, you was their punt returner. Yeah. And Drake London was getting the exact

thing. And London also has the basketball background when he was at USC. And so I think I like the Drake London to Keon Coleman comp. I think that that sort of profile were like London very much looks like a wide receiver one. And we just need to kind of see him as a better quarterbacking. The basketball thing makes so much sense because you're talking about, like, two tall guys that, like, oh, basketball, jump ball, like Jimmy Graham, but you're actually talking about guys who, like, are actually really good cutting to the basket, but weren't tall enough to be a power forward. Yeah, like I guess I believe in Keon's game sense. I believe in his boxout ability, and I believe in his athleticism, right? Obviously, oh, the speed in the gauntled drill, the MPH, I watched him play. And when I watched him play, like I said, when we did the wide receiver preview part a couple months ago, this cat moves, like, I'm there on him.

Now, the low-end comp is Lequan Treadwell, because we said that about Laquan, right? Poor Lequan. We said, we said, Treadwell's big, and oh, he didn't test grade. He didn't jump super well, and he didn't run fast, but he's a ball player, and he can separate and he can win in the Tynarys, win with size, and then it just never manifested itself at the NFL level. I'd, I promise, I was just scrolling through giant first-round picks trying to find a guy who would work here without Hac-Lac-Klew is too good. So there's Treadwell worlds for Keon-Colman, where it's just okay, like a guy without enough

juice to be a productive receiver at the NFL level. What about Hakeem Nix as like your middle of the range? Yeah, I looked at Akim Nix. I also looked at Kenny Britt for Coleman as well. Yeah, that's a good one. I like that, actually, yeah.

This is going through all the giant receivers. This is the episode every year where we just name random players, like that meme. Just names you guys. I love the best activity. Keem Nix called a Hail Mary. Dude, Hakeem Nix was so, I loved Keem Nix so much in his heyday.

That was a fun. Unreal air. Troy Franklin, receiver out of Oregon. Shoot, I did it again because Craig, Craig's going to get mad at me because I kind of comp like career styles or like whatever, but here we go. Anyway,

don't worry about it, Craig. People jump down my throat when I said Roma Dunesie is going to be Devante Adams and that's a higher ceiling than AJ Green and now we're back. This is why. You know what? These comps are, they're amorphous.

They're hard to nail down. That's fine. It's like smoke to a wall. Now that I know. What are you trying to nail smoke to a wall? Is that the expression? Yeah. Anyway, Troy Franklin, the high end comp for him,

like the best case scenario, if he ever turns into like a star in the NFL as a guy like Devante Smith because he's very skinny. He's like 6-2-1-76. What does he list? 6-2-176. I feel like Rail-th. Everyone knows someone who's

6-2-1-76. I am 6-2-185, and I'm not a thick man. That's why he talks so much about bulking because he wants to be thicker. Devante Smith, like Troy Franklin, both of these guys are very twitchy in the short area, like very good body control.

very flexible as athletes, you know, can catch passes that are sort of like away from their frame and all that stuff. I think that that would be to me the high end comp of what he could become an NFL. The mid-range comp, and this is where I was going, Craig, with like the style of player we're seeing is a Jameson-William style player where he's not necessarily a high-volume pass catcher. He's a guy that can stretch the field. He's a guy that can make a really exciting play, explosive play, get down the field, like take an end-round and run really, you know, fast and avoid a bunch of guys. But maybe it's not like a super high-end, high-vote. volume type player.

And the feeling that he's on the field because they're going to give him the ball, but when they're not going to give him the ball, he doesn't really need to be on the field. Yeah. And also, Franklin, this is something I've tried not to beat him up too much about it, because I liked almost everything else about this game,

but he had some really ugly drops last year. Jameson Williams has had a little bit of that problem in his career. I was going to say, D.K., I have to ask you about Troy Frank. So you had a 10% drop rate last year, which is astronomical in an offense to Oregon. I want to reach you some sentences from your scouting report in Troy Franklin.

Because as someone who the Giants could use a receiver, Franklin's technique catching the ball is inconsistent. This is from your NFL draft.3.com. Lacks play strength, allowing defenders to play through his frame at the catch point. Too easily pushed off his route. Doesn't fight through contact quickly. Doesn't always attack the ball in the air. Doesn't bring much as a blocker and the effort comes and goes.

He's 175 pounds. I know, but I read that. I was like, oh my God. Don't. But that's like, the play strength thing is probably pretty common for guys of his build. You know what I mean? I think the one thing that separates Devante Smith from most guys that are super skinny is he's actually really good at the catch point. But that's because he has, number one, he has incredible catching skills.

But he also has like, you know, the Michael Phelps body type where he has like incredibly freakishly long arms. And he has the biggest reach of anybody in the NFL kind of deal. Franklin doesn't have that. And I mentioned the drops like this last year drops were an issue. And it wasn't even really that he wasn't good in contested his catch situation. that kind of scared me. It was like he's running down the field. He's wide open.

And he just like drops a ball. You know what I mean? That's what concerns me a little bit more. But if you look back at the year before, 2022, he had like a 3% drop rate. So it's not like this has been a consistent problem for him forever. Drops technically or generally speaking are not super sticky year over year. Like your drop rate kind of can vary.

Some guys, you're just going to drop a ton of passes. But I don't necessarily think that's Troy Franklin's deal. So I'm not, I'm trying not to beat him up too much about it. but it was something that was annoying watching him play. The low-end comp is another super skinny guy that didn't end up panning out in the NFL that was Paul Richardson. You know, there was flashes

here and there. He ended up getting a really big contract from the commanders randomly, but he was just like hurt his whole career. He just didn't really do anything. Yeah. They probably thought he was like a lawyer, Paul Richardson. They were like, oh, yeah, sure. Next up, we have Ricky Parasol, the receiver from Florida, nay, Arizona State.

Why are you saying it like that? That's what your main a name thing or whatever. So you're made a name. I just do that for all the colleges where they transferred from because we're at the point we're transferring so easy

that I'm like like the point is we say Ricky Parasol, Florida. Ricky Peresville played three seasons with Jade and Daniels at Arizona State. It's weird. We don't have any mechanism that is very weird.

Jane Daniels played with Brandon Ayuk. Yeah, it's just, I don't know, I guess you don't include the transfer colleges they went to. It's like, it's there's no like the basic biographical boxes of all these players

were not built to include like yeah, they all played at different schools. That's why I'm reading it really weirdly. I like it. I don't hear nay enough in my life. We have to invent something. You got to put the little accent.

Isn't there an accent here? It's supposed to be a... Yeah, but it's written and it's a podcast. I know, but I like it. I knew what you were doing. I was just asking why you're doing it in that way and if that was understandable to the listeners at home. Like, you could have been like Florida

by way of Arizona State or something, but yeah. Oh, yeah, I just thought it was funny. The transfer college or made a name. No, nay's good. Ney's good. Anyway, what's up for Ricky Peresol? Ricky Pierceall. I like Ricky.

It's funny. When I watched Anthony Richardson film last year, he's at Florida now, nay, Arizona State. When I watched him at the beginning of the season, Anthony Richardson, I was like, oh, my gosh, this kid is their best receiver. Like, what are we doing? And then over the course of that season,

with Virgson, he got better. And then you're watching this season. Like, this is like a legit, solid wide receiver two NFL prospect, right? This is like 800 yards walking. And so high end comp for me on Ricky Pearson. I gave him, and this is direct from D.K.'s guide, respect to D.K., respect to Nate Tyson,

I didn't know Nate Burleson jumped like this, but holy smokes. Nate Burleson, 6.197, 42 and a half inch vert, 10, 6 broad. Ricky Pearson was a 42-10-9 broad. 4-4-1, 4-4-4. And I think Burles was like a 4-4-2 or something like that. I look like the Shaq meme that Nate Burleson said. I apologize. I did not know your name.

I thought it was a nice suit merchant. I never realized he was jumping 42. But again, like that Nate Burleson mold, the middle of the road comp, Greg Jennings, right? Which I was like historically productive. But you think about Greg Jennings. being like a reliable wide receiver two. He obviously ends up with a really great quarterback and he's super healthy and durable and he's playing a ton of snaps.

But in general, just that rock steady wide receiver two for you who's separating short intermediate middle of the field can create some explosives for you can have some big plays. But most of you're going to use him as a route-breaking guy, right? As a guy to create space against bad corner twos, that I think is the sort of mold you're looking for. Low end comp here is Corey Coleman. Corey Coleman was projected to be that sort of a thing coming out of Baylor with the quickness, the explosiveness, right?

the high caliber jumps, the good 40-yard dash, and then Coleman just never found a footing in the league. With Pearsall, I'd be surprised. I think he's a relatively high-floor player because I think the hands and the catch over the middle of the field was really consistent. That was the issue for Corey. The routes were inconsistent,

the play-through contact, the catching-through contact was inconsistent. But in general, like, you do see guys who have elite jumps and good separation who just don't withstand volume. They don't withstand the contact and the physicality of the game the way he'd like to. Piercel is 6-1-190.

So he's not, it's why Franklin tall thin, but he is a little bit tall-th and you do want to worry about some of those body blows over the middle. Ricky Parasel is one of the dumbest tattoos I've ever seen in life. I got to say, his whole look is, the douchebag meter is quite high for Ricky. And is that stock up for a receiver or stock down? Huge stock up.

That's what I think. He's a Florida man, Craig. What can you say? Confidence to get this tattoo. He's got an interesting tattoo combination of like, he has basically two sleeves and then like, or one sleeve and then both of his pecks are covered. And then he's got like the tight. beard kind of like chin strap beard situation the tight fade on the sides everything is lined up to a

t i don't know his entire left forearm is a giant black and white roulette table yeah also dice on it which i don't think he knows that gambling works and it just says bet on me yeah he's got the rome the roman numerals across across his declate yeah it's a clock he's chucking the dice into like the wheel with the state of athletes betting on on sports i don't mind drafting a guy who doesn't clearly doesn't know how bad yeah he's all about ball he doesn't know how this shit works yeah rickie perrars gets involved in an Atani thing and they're like, why do all your unders keep hitting, Ricky? And he shows up with the fucking roulette on his arm that says, bet on me. He's like, I don't know.

I just put in the chat and you can Google us at home as well. Ricky Pearsall, dunking. He sent a tweet in the summer of 2023, which is a quote average athleticism, L. well, I think there was some like Florida, you know, state of the roster. Are they like, oh, Ricky Pearson is an average athlete? Ricky Pearsall would be Duncan, all right? Like, this is, I like what I'm seeing. This is a good clip.

Yeah, yeah. in the pantheon of super athletic white guys in this draft class, he's more impressive than Cooper DeGine as a dunker, I would say. Like his dunks. Yeah. No, we're talking, we're talking more flair.

We're talking 360s, one hand. Should we do a power hour on ranking white, white athletes? Can Ladd dunk? That's a great question. Ladd's 6-1 with like, what, a 40-inch vert?

He should be able to. Yeah. We should actually just go to the combine and ask every single person there if they can dunk, and then whoever gets like, and just rank them on who got most insured. assaulted by the question. Ladd was 511 and 5.8s, which a 36-inch fur. Probably not.

Well, Pearsall's posting pictures of him or videos of himself dunking, so he's not going to get offended by that. It's a great hive. It's the dice on the tattoo is really funny. The dice on the roulette wheel. He doesn't know how gambling works. Which is good. Although Tani's tattoos are very accurate to gambling.

Yeah, exactly. The rocket, the kid, the NBA kid, he's just got lines tattooed on his bicep. Ricky Piersol, no idea. Craig, I think you texted me. last, we have a weird texting relationship all of us because you, DK, and you will get conversations at like 11 o'clock, but for you that's two in the morning. So I just wake up to wait you guys were texting

at like very late at night. And then like, you texted the other day that video of Otani and his translator, trying to like bounce a crumpled up hot dog rapper. No, I think it was a baseball. If I was a baseball. Oh, was it a baseball? A hundred percent of baseball. There was a baseball. You saw an

unidentified white round object at a baseball game and went to crunched up hot dog rapper? It looks small. It didn't look like trash. It was a bait. Whatever. man. I don't know. It was seven in the morning when I saw it. I thought I was dreaming. Anyway, they're trying to bounce it and keep it on a ledge and they were just, it was the most like men

will come up with a game that women would never come up with in 30,000 years. O-Tonnie lands the ball on the ledge. He's the first one to do it. And he gets up and fist pumps harder than he has in any game in his career. He looks like he, yes, he looks like he won the World Series except he literally won the World Baseball Classic and he was not as excited. They probably had

two grand on that right there. I was going to say all the gambling degenerates of the world at one time we're like, oh yeah. You start to recognize one of your own, don't you? Game recognized game. In the world of which I'm making Shohei Otani money, I promise you. I would walk around and just everything would be, $1,000 bucks says I could do this.

Thousand bucks I could do that. Absolutely, I would be. This is what Michael Jordan was doing this for years before Twitter was a thing. So, yeah. There are two things I keep thinking about the Otani thing. One is the Michael Jordan's dad, the quote where he's like, my son doesn't have a gambling problem. My son has a winning problem.

And then I keep also thinking about, someone tweeted that, look, all I'm saying is, if I had a massive gambling problem, I would defer 80% of my salary to 20 years from now. Yeah, right?

I was like, dude, this was like, maybe, did you already say this, but this was like exactly the, you know, the security guard

doing the quarter game that's really famous with Michael Jordan. Yeah, like the new age version of that game. Yeah. Anyway,

he definitely gambles. Come on. Yeah. How much would you bet that he bets? we should take bets Can we make that a fandal? Somebody tell Otani I bet you 10 bucks I'll get you gambling by the end of the day

I keep forgetting that you guys have never seen dumb and dumber. I quote it constantly with you guys and it's always just like over your heads. My generation understands. Well my favorite you always were like oh why'd you go to the airport?

You're flying somewhere and then one time your luggage didn't come in and I actually had to drive you to the airport and you were not flying anywhere. The one time. Biggobbs, huh? All right. Well, see you later. Check out.

Rewatchables. We covered it. Bill and Jennifer Lawrence, kind of a crazy combo, but that happened. Oh, yeah. I didn't, that's cool.

I didn't know that happened. Didn't he not record his audio? That's right. Yeah, I believe. Craig, a lot of scars in that hands of that for Craig. Technically,

you're correct. Yep. Let's move on. I literally turned that episode on. I was like, oh, Craig, this must have been a hard one. Yeah.

It's like, uh, anyway. Malik Washington, receiver from Virginia, D. Yeah, we wanted to talk about a couple of guys that were like sleeper type players,

third, fourth, fifth round type players, Malik Washington, wide receiver out of Virginia. By the way, this is receiver Virginia, nay, Northwestern. I think he spent his first four seasons in college at Northwestern for transferring to Virginia. Poor guy. Supremely productive last year. Big time pass catcher for Virginia.

He has the strongest hands of any player I've ever seen. He doesn't drop anything. He is so strong at the catch point. And it's funny because he's not very big. pull up his measurables here. He is 5-9-191. He's thick.

He's a little thick guy. But he is so, so strong at the catch point. He, like, box his guys out. So that's why, from a size perspective, he's also one of the best yards after the catch creators in college football. His broken tackles or mistackles force per touch was, like, astronomical one of the best in his class.

So I comp to him, his high-end comp is Golden Tate. Type of guy who you can get the ball to him. He's going to make guys miss. he's going to run after the catch, do some exciting stuff in the short and intermediate area. For once in a while, I think he could catch a deep pass, but he's more going to be like that short and intermediate guy that can move the chains for you, catch the ball and be a pain in the ass for a defense to tackle that kind of player. My mid-range comp would be a guy like Curtis Samuel who, you know, I think Curtis Samuels on his third contract now. He's had a pretty good career, but he's a type of guy who's good as a gadget type player.

He can be taking snaps in the backfield. in the slot. You know, he's just an overall pretty just a great supporting character. Useful player, yeah. Not always the lead. He'll be the best player on fantasy waivers for three months. Right. Speaking of that, low end comp, Kiki Kootie, who, you know.

Kiki. Super productive in college. I just, I don't know what happened. Ben talks about these like failed receivers, like past girlfriends that he like, or like people from college at high school. Yeah. Kiki, Kiki, man, the Texas tax film. I was young Ben so like at the time.

I don't know. what I was looking at. Just watching Cliff Kingsbury offense get free access for Kiki Kootie. He's got an 187-yard game where he didn't get touched once by anybody. Just free release off the line for four quarters. Oh, I bought it so hard. Dude, I think Kiki Kootie, the first game he was in, he had like 15 catches. And then he never did anything ever again.

Yeah, I don't know if he had 15 catches the rest of his career combined, to be honest. No, he did. He did. But it was never, you know, after that first game, everyone was like, ooh, this guy's going going to be a superstar. But I don't think it happened. I like Malik Washington a ton, dude. I watched him a couple of weeks ago.

Holy, yeah. This is, I, as people, as regular listeners will know, I got a problem with the smalls. I don't get, I need my receivers. You got to be at least a certain size to ride the ride. Malik Washington, yes, you know, you're concerned, five foot eight. But the size, right, the thickness, 58-190. You know, for perspective, Steve Smith, 59-184 coming out in Utah, right? I just, the, and the, the toughness, dude.

Malik Washington does not like to go down. he does not like to lose at the catch point. He's not like to lose a line of scrimmage. Like this is this is this is this is this. He's tough. There's a 6 foot 4, 215.5 pound man and a 5 foot 9 buck 80 bottle. Like he is, I really really like the way he plays the game.

He is highly skilled too, right? He knows how to break dudes off. He knows how to great space. He got a good sense of timing. I'm buying a lot of Malik Washington stock. I was very impressed. Yeah, I love him. He had a 42 and a half inch vert.

Talking about vibes. You just compare Golden Tate and Steve Smith. I would say two of the most fight prone receiver. He's a squirrely son of a gun. He's pugnacious. I'm a fan. Pugnacious. Like that.

Great word. All right. Last up, Solek, you've been just bursting at the seams to talk about this guy. Yeah.

Xavier Ligat, man. I understand the profile, the statistically, like a late breakout and he's older. This is the sort of guy I typically caution you against. Like, I get it.

This is, you got to kind of plant your flag on some guys. I'm going to plan my flag on 6-2-200, excuse me, 6-1, 221 pounds running a 4-39. In terms of speed score,

which is weight adjusted 40-yard dash time. How fast are you getting a lot of mass moving? There was nobody who was faster at a bigger size than this year's wide receiver class than Xavier Ligette was. Running sub-44 at 220 is bananas. That's some nonsense. When you watch his film,

you see that that speed express itself in multiple ways. You see it when he houses a slant, he takes and he breaks angles and he goes untouched. You see it when he creates a space for himself on the vertical third, running the nine route, running the post. You also see him use that speed

to then create space from self, like on the comeback and on breaking routes where he threatens receivers corners vertically and then works it back. Like I understand he was a late breakout, but there is a physical profile here that does not come out every single year. And there are skills, there are talents. There are, there are traits that are the results of his physical tools that you can see him developing. Like I am willing to break my guardrails.

I'm like, let's not take late breakouts for a player like Xavier Legate. Not at like, you know, 28 overall. You know, they'll risk it on Keon Coleman and Brian Thomas for. But Legat in round two, I would start wanting to take that swing. The high-end comparison here is AJ Brown, right? I was going to bring up AJ Brown. But when you start talking about these big burly, barrel-chested guys with speed playing receiver, AJ Brown's 6-foot, 226, right of 4-49.

Like, he's in that sort of a mold where, okay, if you get this guy the ball moving at full speed over the middle of the field, there is not a safety, not a corner in the world who wants to deal with the problem. So that I think you're starting to get. I have another high-end comp, like Demarius Thomas, the late and great. Like Thomas was a little bit taller. But again, you're talking about Thomas, like not being super productive in college. Like, he had the breakout with Georgia Tech.

His final season was big and productive. But, like, there were questions about can a guy of this size and this speed. Like, was he good enough in college as he have the traits, the tools? And when he got to the league, it was just, oh, man, this guy's just too big and too fast. Like, nobody wants to deal with this. So that's kind of where I think of AJ Brown being. Now, the problem is there's not a lot of middle-of-the-road comps for dudes like this, right? It's like you're either awesome.

You're either AJ Brown and Demarius Thomas or your Trailand-Berckson. where it's like, okay, every so often I see it, but it's not consistent enough. So this is absolutely, in terms of builds, this is a polar build. This is like, it's a high and a low and there's not much of a Goldilocks. Yeah.

Now, the league's getting smarter and better at using players like this. And so I have some faith for, for there are more teams that we get could land on and there's more places and whatever. But when I look at just like the smart offensive coaches in the league who like find ways, like Sean McVevae was making DeMarcus Robinson work.

You can't tell me if Sean McVeigh is making DeMarcus Robinson work that you can't put Xavier Legat into that role and be like, oh, we can do some of the same stuff, but instead this time when he catches the ball, he turns into like a, he turns into Corderole Patterson after the catch. Another guy, that's my mom.

Yeah, that's my count. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, exactly. Like, it's just the speed moving at this size is like, it's very, very enticing. So Xavieral to get to me, very high-ceiling guy that you can go get in round two and round three. When you're watching his tape,

I don't think I've ever seen as many guys. I don't know, I don't even know how to explain what he does. He, like, jumps, and then he stops moving up, and then he keeps going up. Like there's a positive. It's like he elevates. Yeah, he elevates. It's so wild because there's been a,

there was a couple of plays on his tape. And by the way, Spencer Rattler's thrown to him. So he's just like, just lofted it up for him, which is great. And Xavier Luget like jumps, hangs,

hangs, hangs, and then still like reaches up a little bit higher at the end and catches it. It's like so impressive. He's such an incredible athlete. He's, I guess,

similar to like the A.D. Mitchell thing on a different level because his, analytically speaking, he's terrible. But, man, on tape, he is so much fun. And if a smart coach who gets him in there and knows how to utilize him at first and kind of like bring him along, like, yes, I do think

he has the potential to be pretty productive in the league. There's a great rap of him against Georgia where he makes a catch in the air up against the sideline. But he elevates for the ball. And he's up early. He's up earlier than he should be. And the corner can't get through him. He's in the air. He's not attached to the ground. You should be stronger than him.

He's up. He's that, he's push him. And the corner tries to play to the catchpoint. You can't get there. And you're just like, oh, this is a big, big boy. He's made a cement, yeah. That's the sort of route. Like, that's sort of rep where you see it.

You're just going, like, I'm like, I am not seeing this on Troy Flankman phone. I'm not seeing this on Ted's Walker film. I'm not seeing this on Roman Wilson. I'm not seeing this with Ricky Piersall. Like, this guy can do things that the other dudes that we're talking about in this rage of the draft can't do. There's a few things that makes me think of D.K. Metcalfe when I watch him.

It's just like the pure. explosiveness and size. And like you said, just now, the inability for, like, smaller defenders to, like, get through his body. It's just something about that. And D.K.K. Metcalf was another guy whose analytical profile wasn't very good.

He ended up being good. So maybe he can break the ball just in that manner, you know? I thought about using Metcalf as the middle of the road comp. Because, I think, again, like, Medcaf was 223 moving up 433. It's 221 moving to 433. The effect it can have on a defense is similar. Medcaf has greater height and greater length.

And if you come to me, hey, Ben, I'm three years from the future as if you really get, didn't work out. One of the things I would ask you, be like, did he just have trouble at the catch point down the field? Because he's just, he's a little bit shorter than you want him to be. And he's a little bit stubbier than you want him to be. It's like consistently win that ball in the air. Also, Metcalf kind of sucks at winning the ball in the air. Dude, Metcalfe, yeah, with his height and with his length. So I do think Metcalf is a fair comparison for further for the gap.

Yeah. Careful insulting T. That's the other way. No, no, no. I recognize Metcalfe has some very frustrating. non-catches, where he just like is a little bit soft in the catchpoint, especially for a guy his size.

But yeah. Good player. All right. I love the receiver comps. Me too. All right. Thank you for listening to the Ring on the Trashel. I couldn't tell if you were waiting for us there or you were headed into a transition.

I didn't know how that was. Was that something that we, yeah, I was like, are we supposed to know what to say here? I got literally like choked up thinking about all the Giants players that's like mentioned. I literally got caught in a highlight really love my mind.

thinking about like in Sterly Shire. They really like if Sequin Barkley were a receiver. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You've been me? All right. That's too.

That's too far. All right. I want to hit. We could do emails in a second, but they change the kickoff rule. Yeah. I don't know if you guys have takes in this or not. We haven't talked about this yet.

But the kickoff. So basically, kickoffs, obviously it's been moving a bunch. But we got to the point where none of the kicks were being returned. I think that like one, less than one out of every four kickoffs were being returned. And so the NFL was like, all right,

we should just either get rid of this or actually make it like a play. So if like two out of every 10 kickoffs are being returned, they changed the rules. We can go through it or not. But basically it's going to look pretty different. But the idea is they're hoping that like instead of two at every 10, like eight out of every 10 will be returned. And less people get hurt. Yeah, less people get hurt. They neutered it a while ago because they were like when the NFL got really reamed over for concussions.

They were like, all right, well, why are like punts and kicks the highest percentage concussion plays when those are the places people go like go and pee during the game? They're like, that probably should be in this part. that where most people are getting hurt per play. So they neutered it. Now they're like, we kind of went too far. So now they're trying to do the middle and have something that's safe, but also will still be like a football play. I don't know if you guys have any takes on this other than,

honestly, I just think the thing for people to know is the touchback is now at the 30 yard line, which is like wild to think about. And like there really is incentive for teams to have them return the ball. And then the Steelers like immediately signed Corderole Patterson. Let me change this role, which is funny. Yeah, the kickoffs are going to look a little bit like a really, really spread out run play. It's kind of cool. You know what I mean? I think it's going to make

returners a job again. You know what I mean? Because like right now it's not really a way to get on a team. They're like making running backs returners. They're making random corners returners. You know what I mean? Like now you could actually start to see like dedicated return men

start to get jobs again, which is cool. And I think from a fantasy point of view, I was actually going to talk to you guys about this. Like do you include return yardage or end or return touchdowns? in your fantasy scoring next year because some of these guys are going to be

maybe productive in the return game and that's something that you have to start thinking about. That's like if you play fantasy baseball that's like including holds as a stat. We always used to include the touchdowns. If you scored on a punt return or kick return, you got the step and out the yards. But having yards,

like quarter of patterns is that's probably not going to happen. But like I think a lot of my leagues you don't get points if you score a touchdown. I'm pretty sure you usually, the default is you do on ESP at Yahoo. It is kind of ridiculous that quarter of Patterson could return a kick for 99 yards, get kicked out at the one.

And like you wouldn't get any fantasy points for that. You probably should. Maybe it's like if you get past the 50, you should start to gain points or something like that. But I'm very for this. It's definitely confusing and visually it's going to look off and trying to describe this to like your friend who doesn't watch football is going to be really hard. It's just like classic American sports. Just like make it more confusing. But I think the kickoff return is the most exciting play in football, maybe the punt return.

So I'm happy that this is now back in the mix. Yeah. I do think that this is like I think that in week one people will be like this is the worst thing ever because it's different and then by week four people would be like this is cool. I like that's that's I expect the one two week flip of like and then after that like this is sick. What I just want to I want to see more touchdowns on the returns because I love that moment in a kickoff return where he gets through the first level and you're like oh oh oh and then once he clears the second level you're like ah let's see. go. There's a clear visual experience to seeing a return become a touchdown over time. I want to see how that looks on the new return. That first level is like, you know, when you go through a toll booth and there's like 50 feet where there's no lines painted at all.

Right. And it's like that first level gets through like, oh my God, this could go anywhere. There's because the return, the covering team is just so much more further forward. What I expect to happen is when the guy breaks the first level, there's going to be less of a second level. And accordingly, the kicker is going to look even smaller than it usually does.

Because there's going to be like nobody else on the screen and that's going to be good. That's what I was going to say is I think the most entertaining matchup in football is kicker versus returner. And we're really going to get more of those now. Like watching the kicker flail at the legs of Calvin Austin,

I just can't wait. It's like make a wish. It's like, how'd this guy get on the field? All right. It's a couple emails here. How to include these? This one's from,

Chris. Chris. If you're not aware. Christopher. A lot about poop and about children pooping. But not too much. Fatherhood. Also, side note.

Side note, couldn't we just teach Mika Fitzpatrick to kickoff? Like, that would be a huge advantage. Oh, that's my next question. Yeah. It's like should the kickers even be doing this or should you have a tackler? Craig,

we went through this. Kickers and field, field goal punters. Or sorry, Philgo kickers and punters. They can't do two things. Well, one that can do both.

Players are not allowed to do two things. We couldn't figure out Michael Parsons couldn't figure out how to kick it 60 yards I feel like he could do that Parsons oh my God Have you seen his legs This guy could kick him

Who was it Deonté Foreman That came out and made the field goal For the extra point Oh yeah The email from Chris Okay so mind you The context here Solex's having a child in May

Because he's incredible at scheduling for content purposes Chris says My daughter Just turned one years old last week Congrats And so I have The most important tip of all time

For Solek as a new father if your baby is a few months old and they start to go two, three or four days without a poop don't do what I did and just simply wonder when the next poop is going to come. Wait. Because take action, son,

because there is get some Excel diapers and some prune juice because there is an atomic poop bomb brewing. Yeah. And Chris goes on and says the doctor told them that going five days without pooping is medically normal for a baby. But the doctor left out.

It did not warn. them about the nature of what would come because the blowout that comes after a seven day buildup forever scarred my wife and I. It is difficult to describe but to this day I feel like my daughter's organs must have been completely rearranged

and perhaps shrunk in order to fit that much poop in her tiny body. It was inexplicable. Yeah, no, it's that's a real thing. Yeah, no, I've been prepared for this. I've been told of, I've heard the horror stories. I've got the, we got the

the plans and the everything. I know how to diaper stuff. I appreciate the heads up. Baby's poop. Craig knows very unsettled by this. No, I have a story followed by an anecdote followed by a question. Okay.

The classic story anecdote question in Trio, as usually goes. I'll go quick. I purchased from a very nice grocery store, raw milk for the first time. And I drank it and ate it. It's raw. Feel like I know where this is going.

It's unpassified. Chesterized milk. Why did you do this? I wanted to give it a shot. There are some health benefits to it. It's good for your gut. Whatever. But there are also...

Free bath weren't doing enough. We need more. If it's not crafted properly, it's like you could get sick, vomit, diarrhea, all that stuff. But so I drink it, and then later on that day, I had two separate bouts

of kind of rough situation. Is this the day that you had to wipe your toilet situation with the paper and you used the toilet seat covers? Although somebody emailed us being like Craig's a, Craig's a wood. Like that's not that bad.

Like, suck it up. At least there was totally, like, at least there was something to wipe with. We did get a lot of questions of why you don't have a bidet. It is better than nothing. I was at a bar. Why didn't the bidet have a bar? Wait. Bar have a bidet?

We got replies, like, wondering why Craig doesn't have a padet. Do you guys have a bidet? No one has a bidet. Multiple of my friends have bidet. What? Very dumb not and have a bidet. Yeah. You can, like, get them installed.

It's life changing. They're way better than using toilet paper. I don't. I don't actually physically know how a bidetabed. day's work. It's just a little pipe that shoots water up in your butt. So then you just have a wet butt for a while? Or how's that work? Well, yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Okay. That's, well, I guess all my questions have been answered. You just dab it dry with some toilet paper and then you're done. Because you go back and forth. Okay. D.K., if you got like a little your dog's shit on your like... No, no, no. I understand why a bidet is a bidet. I don't have any problem with it. I was just like... The machinations of like, do

you just walk around with like a wet butt for a while? Yeah, yeah. You just... You just dab it off. You just dry it. No, no, no. Craig, answer my questions. You go and you wipe it off. I didn't know if people were just like, okay, I'm good and then pulling up their pants.

Why would they do that? I understand why a bidet is such a good line. I thought this pod. I've never used a bidet. I'm just asking questions here. Weirdly, we rented a cabin for my bachelor party in Bend, Oregon, and I had the master bedroom, and it had a bidet in it. And it was the first time I had ever used it.

And it was a delightful experience. And I never want to go back. Like I don't know why I don't have a bidet in my apartment right now. Everybody I know who uses a bidet is stoked on that bidet. They're fired up. It's like a life-changing thing. Especially for men, it's like it's a mess down there. Anyway, I was walking back from dinner yesterday post-raw milk.

And I got the bubble guts kind of creeping up again. And I was like, oh, I'm a half a mile from home right now. And so then I kind of kept walking it off. You know, I thought it was going to be a dark territory. And then it went away. And that is a common experience, right? It's like when you have to go number two. and then it just goes away.

And I just wanted to bring this to you guys like, what's up with that? How does your body do that? Is it because it's like this like churn and then it kind of like it reaches the exit and if you miss the exit it's got to come back around again?

Like why does it go away the feeling of having to go to the bathroom? Wow, that's incredible. I think that. I mean, so like your body has to have the capacity to do that because sometimes you can't go to the bathroom. So it's just warning you like,

hey, I would like to go soon. Yeah, which is fair. It's like we're leaving in 15 minutes. You should probably start getting ready. You ask in the car in 15 minutes, okay? If not, there's going to be some issues. Yeah, that's a good question. We should get the medical explanation for why that is because I'm just wondering.

Email us at ringerfincy football at gmail.com if you're a doctor and you can I also find it to be crazy that if like if you had to go to the bathroom and it kind of went away and then you just went to sleep, you're good for 10 hours. And then you can just wake up and then you have to go. And for 10 hours, your body's just like, now we'll just let this sit here. There's no big deal. But if you're walking home, it's like,

they just pull down the, like you know, like you know, the storefront in the mall when they pull down that metal, like, you know, the metal wall. I think your body kind of does that

when you sleep. They just kind of pull the thing. We're closed and they just lock everything up. Yeah. Yeah. Lock it on the hatches. Yeah. I'm just curious.

The warning system of the body is fascinating. I think that the amount of people who've like emailed us about these things proves that there's a, people still have a lot of questions in how their bodies work in the 21st century. Yeah, we don't know anything.

There's no forum to discuss these things. I'll keep you guys updated on the raw milk situation. I kind of went back to the well today, tried it again. Too good so far. Is this like a prebiotic? Is this a prebiotic situation you're trying to eat? Well, look, a lot of people, yeah, it's basically like has a lot of healthy bacteria in it good for you.

A lot of people in Europe drink unpasteurized milk. It's like very common outside of America. And a lot of the pasteurization process for the heat the milk. It like removes a lot of the nutrients of the milk. So I was just giving it a shot. I just wanted to see. just giving it a shot. We're all afraid of dying.

It's fine. Again, I literally had diarrhea twice in one day. The way I kind of like justified it is that it was actually flushing me out. It was flushing all the bad stuff out. And now I'm cleansed. Nice.

Huge few. Love that few. And this pot has cleansed everyone. Thank you everyone for listening. On that note, we're ending. Raw milk. Thank you, K. Thank you, Craig.

Thank you. Raw milk. Thank you so like. Thank you. for participate in this episode. Thank you, Jack. Thank you, Tucker. Thank you.

Everyone behind the scenes. Thank you. Louis Pester, the, do the pasteurizing. That's huge. Like, glad we have

pastured milk as an addition to the raw milk. So shout out Lee Pescher. Thank you, Lauren. Lauren. Thank you, Beastie Boys. Beastie boys are kicking it live. Bound out.

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