The Ringer NFL Show - Tom Brady Retires (Again), and Standouts from Senior Bowl Week | The Ringer NFL Draft Show

Episode Date: February 2, 2023

Welcome back to another episode of The Ringer NFL Draft Show! This week, the guys open by discussing Tom Brady’s retirement announcement, and the Denver Broncos’ decision to hire Sean Payton (1:30). Next, they share their reactions to standouts from Senior Bowl Week after attending in person (22:23). Finally, they close with a couple of listener emails (59:57). Check back in on this feed every Thursday for more of The Ringer NFL Draft Show. Email us! [e-mail] Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Ben Solak, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Craig Horlbeck and Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It's a little confusing, but it's easy. just come here and get the Ring Infil Draft Show. Again, we're live in Mobile. We're at the Senior Bowl. We're going to get to the Senior Bowl. The players here, players you guys liked, player you guys think are okay. We're going to rip off a very good podcast called Who Weekly,

and we're going to just explain senior bowl players. But first, actual NFL stuff has happened this week, and we're going to get to all that. Yeah. So first up, Tom Brady retired this morning. Officially. This time for real, he says. So he posted the video.

I will say, first of he's on the beach. beach somewhere. Like Miami or something. Two thoughts initially. One, can you imagine just walking by and like seeing Tom Brady. Retiring? Yeah. You take a video of him taking the video and then upload it before he does.

Just a third person angle of Tom Brady's retirement video. Shefter's like, Scoot. Secondly, I actually really appreciated that he was like, I'd be emotional about it, but I kind of did that last year. So I feel like you can only do that once. I did appreciate that. Yeah. Thank you for that.

Yeah. Yeah. My gut, I don't know what you guys, your first thought, was my first thought we're watching that was Tom Brady's addicted to football and people say they'll quit things all the time and they keep doing it and I'm not going to lie like it sounded the same way people say like New Year's resolutions or quitting smoking or like whatever and I was like I believe you that you want this and meet it right now I also don't think that necessarily has any bearing on whether you do it or not like we'll just see I don't know how you guys felt about

that I mean I think when it's a second time I know right right I feel like you know, you don't want to take the addiction metaphor too far, but in a second time, in the very public eye, it becomes really embarrassing if he comes back again. And like, it's just like, all right, like, the first time was like, wow, what a competitor. And this time it's like, wow, this guy's pretty indecisive. This guy has struggled to figure out what he wants.

I don't know. Like, I think while Brady wasn't in any way, like, prohibitively bad this year, this was definitely like a season in which, like, all right, he was old. And I think that he feels like he's old and he feels like it's not, he doesn't feel like he's going out on top and he's not going to prolong that any longer.

So it's a little bit of a Band-Aid rip. The vibes coming off of him, the body language, I talked about this all year. Like his body language was really bad. His body language. His body, he looked like a ghost. He's too skinny. He needs to pack some fat on there.

To me, like just from a 30,000-foot view, like he looked like he wasn't having very much fun. Obviously, winning is more fun than losing, but just, I don't know. It just felt like he wasn't really, his heart wasn't in it quite as much as it used to be. That's how it looked, at least. I said last year that he,

the biggest mistake he made was on retiring. Like he should have just gone out as like this legend who like came back against the Rams of the division around. And then the Rams just won up them and just kind of like went down with 30 seconds and Cooper Cup caught that ball. But Brady still somehow went back on a one out on a 21 point comeback that he lost anyway. And now it's so different. But he always said that he'd retire when he sucks.

And I'm just curious, so like, do you think Don Brady sucks right now or was he just behind a bad offensive line? I don't think he sucks. There's a chance that he sucks on his scale of playing football. Like this is the worst football I think he's played. But I don't think he sucks. I was like, you know, he always said that he would play until what? Like 45, right?

45. And he's. He did it. Yeah. So, you know, like, I don't know. I don't read much more into the Brady retirement than this guy retired last year. It was very clearly like a close decision in his mind. He then realized after he did it, it didn't feel right.

So he played another year. And he, you know, now he's a free agent. He'd have to pick up, move somewhere else, go to a different team, deal with different reporters deal with the hull balloon. He said, I was almost retired last year, and now I'm retiring this year. And like, yeah, I do agree. If it's, there's a non-zero percent chance that in two weeks we're talking on this pod, like, hey, guess who's back? But for right now, it makes sense. What's he got going on? Not broadcast. Like, there was a report that, like, that whole Foxing, he was kind of like, nah, I don't know. And then there was a report that he might. Is that going to

happen or was that just something they announced before an earnings call? Yeah, I, I'd be surprised. And, like, I think Greg Olson's done an extremely good job for Fox's number one team. So I don't if he'll do that. I think he might actually chill for a year. I can see that happening. But he'll be back. There's no way he's going away. He's not going to fade into the background.

It's the least chill person. I don't know how he chills. We'll see. I don't know. Maybe who quit. We talked last week about like quarterbacks and we're a certain quarterback's going to go. So, you know, we had been speculating. But now this is also one team at least that was hopefully maybe going to sign Brady now

needs a quarterback. So we're talking about the Raiders might sign him 49ers. Right. So much has changed, even the one we. now Brady's off the board. And then Brock Purdy. So we start with the Niners. Yeah.

Brock Purdy tears his UCL. So I don't know if he needs Tommy John. I don't know. Yeah, Lynch and Shanahan spoke today, and it sounds like he's just going to be on the six-month timeline. But like saying, you know, still a lot. Hey, we think our seventh round rookie who we might want to be our starter is only going to need six months to recover from his UCL injury. It's not like as much of good news as it sounds like it is. Right. And yeah, UCL is a tricky thing.

And so it looks like they're going to go the six-month route, but, you know, cross your fingers. Like, Trey Lance broke and dislocated his ankle, had surgery and then had another surgery in December because it turns out surgery is hard and recovery stuff. And so, you know, they're really trying to window it there with this irrelevant for year two. Do you feel like now the Raiders, do you think the Raiders go get a veteran quarterback or the Raiders now in this, like, group that we kind of almost ruled them out from one week ago that they might, like the Raiders now need to actually maybe trade up for the number one pick? Is there a chance that they just keep car or is that that train is sailed? I would say 99%. I mean, Derek Carr, like, they literally told him to go away. I know.

Like, they asked him to not come back. And then Derek Carr has won already, like, posted goodbye to the Raiders on Instagram. And his brother is like... Okay, so he's not coming back. He's not. It's like bad blood. Okay. Yeah.

Well, there is going to be, I'm honestly, there are a few, like, fairly intriguing free agent quarterbacks now. Like, Jimmy G's going to be a free agent. A guy like Jacobi Berset could be a starter in the league still, I think. I'm not saying they're high level guys, but like guys that you can win with. they may go that route and then maybe take a guy in the draft. But like the guy you can sign, but then you're flexible and whether you get a quarterback or not.

Yeah. So I could see them go that route. Yeah. I think the Aaron Rogers sweepstakes is about to get really weird. I think I think Rogers, we're going to hear more tradeabouts for Rogers as we, you know, go through this process, go through Super Bowl, we can get to the combine.

And I think that the Niners are really primed. Like they try to trade for Rogers a couple years ago. I think they're primed to do it. Oh my God. Now the Niners are in on Rogers. Yeah. I don't think. I don't think.

What I don't understand is the Packers lose to the Niners four times in the playoffs in one decade. And then you trade them Aaron Rogers. If you can't beat them, quit. Yeah, capitulate. Like, just surrender. I just can't. I don't know. I just feel like they can't.

Like, it's so embarrassing. That's just like just folding into one team. I mean, like, yes, but also no, right? It's embarrassing until the Niners offer is way better than everybody else's offer. And then you're like, well, maybe I want my picks. you know, and that's what it ends up coming down to. But, like, I think the Jets are very clearly going to be on Rogers. I think the Niners are going to, we're in on Rogers, so why wouldn't they be again?

And I think the Raiders are going to be interested in Rogers because the Devante Adams connection. Devonte Adams leaves because he wants stability away from Rogers. It's sick of like the hemming and hawing every offseason. We wanted to play with Derek Carr's old quarterback. And now he's like, I want to play with my little quarterback. All I do is go back to quarterback. When Adams left, like there was some of that, but when you, when you listen to Devante talk about it and Rogers talk about it, it sounds like they were like, you know, like there was,

it was amicable. Right. They're on the same page more or less. Yeah. And so I think that Rogers situation is about to get really weird. And then after that happens, we'll all go like, all right, and the next dominole falls, Daniel Jones. And at that point, I'm no longer interested or engaged.

If the Rogers trade happens and he does go to the Jets, I will take a victory lap because I, I feel like I've been beating this drum for two months, that it's, it's, actually make sense for everyone involved for Rogers to go to the Packers. I also know if Daniel Jones to leave the Giants, but. You think it makes sense for Rogers to go to the Packers? Sorry, did I say that? Yeah. If you're going to beat the drum, if you're going to take a victory lap,

if you're going to beat the drummon for two months, I wanted you to say the thing you've been saying. I want to help you out there. One week since we talked last about this, where is Lamar Jackson going? How do we feel about that after? I mean, there was a report that he's getting the franchise tag, no matter what. He's not going anywhere. He's staying.

He's staying. If the Lamar Domino falls, it won't fall now. It'll fall like at a weird time. later. So speaking of Domino's, the other big story this week, Sean Payton traded to the Denver Broncos, which is crazy. So big deal. So the Broncos did have a first run pick because they traded away for Russell Wilson, but then they traded Bradley Chubb to the Dolphins. So they traded basically the Dolphins' first round pick this year and then it's second round pick next year. Not the Dolphins pick. It's the Niners pick that went to the Dolphins because the Traylands

trade, then went to the Broncos because the Bradley Chubb traded and is now going to the Saints because of the Sean Payton trade. I love this pick. I hope it becomes a good player. Can you say that 10 times fast? So anyway, first second, blah, blah, blah, change. I don't, yeah, whatever the hell so like just said. There are so many elements to this. I guess just first off, I think it's 10,000 feet. It's kind of funny that the Walmart family came in

and they're just paying premium for everything. Like there's no everyday low price with any of this. It's like they're paying a shitload. They're paying a first and a second just to give Sean Payton like $20 or $25 million a year. And then they already paid two first and two seconds and change to get Russell Wilson just to give him like $40 or $50 million a year.

And it's like, oh my good. I know that that deal was done before they bought the team. but this is insane. It's basically three firsts, three seconds, and then in a way, Bradley Chubb still, to have Russell Wilson and Sean Payton. Yeah, plus a fifth, plus Drew Locke, not that that matters. Okay, it's changed.

Noah Fant. Yeah, so here's the thing. Part of this is interesting. So we were arguing about this today earlier today, Mobile. And I think that what's cool about the Sean Pate, because we were basically like, is this a good deal? And you were like, well, first and second is what Devante Adams went to for the Raiders. Yep.

And you were like, would you rather have Devante or, Sean Payton. I was like, you don't ever get to actually think about that or argue about that, like a coach or a receiver. And I was shocked that you said you'd rather have Devante. Right. Well, if you ask me, would I rather have Sean Payton or Devante Adams? The answer is Sean Payton. Once we start including like replacement value and opportunity cost is where it becomes tricky, right? In order to get Devante Adams right now, like to get a star receiver from another team, I'd have to trade a first round pick and a second round pick, and then I'd sign him to an extension. So I'd say I try to do it with Devante Adams. It doesn't work.

okay well now I want to go get like you know we'll say like Tyreek Hill which like doesn't make any sense because they just trade it for him but like Tyree kill I want to get another top tier receiver what do I have to trade a first round pick and a second and then also like the dolphins through like a fourth or something I've traded base get first and a second and then that's the time to sign to an extension so the cost to get Devante was the same as the cost to go get Tyreek is I missed Devonte's now I have to go get Tyreek still an extremely good receiver with Sean Payton in this instance the cost to go get him is a first and a second but I don't get Sean and I want to go get another head coach and I want to go get another head coach. I just go hire him. And I don't have to trade picks to the Eagles when I hire Shane Steichen. I don't have to trade picks to the Bengals when I hire Luano Rumo. I can just hire them. And so the difference is like I think it's very good that the Broncos landed on Payton. I think it's good. They got a good head coach in the building.

We know we've seen that that retread second effort head coach is kind of a better success rate than like the hot fresh coordinator. I think that's good. I think he's a stabilizing force. I think he's like a grown up force with like a first time general manager and a first time ownership group and dealing with the Ross's situation. I think it's all good. it's just important to note that unlike all the other head coaching candidates, he cost something.

I know. And he didn't just cost something. He cost something the Broncos have less of than the other teams because they train a picture Russell Wilson. And that's where it becomes, all right, you know, you're going to make a head coach hire. You got to get it right. Once you make head coaching hire that costs you a couple picks, you really got to get it right.

This is, you know, you're now spending more than the other teams do. The relative cost, I think, you know, it makes the decision a lot trickier. so such that when we compare spending a first and a second on Peyton versus spending a first and a second on Adams, it's okay. Like, I'd rather maybe spend the first and second on Adams and then just hire Louanarumo and be like, cool. I don't feel that way. How do you feel that that's D.K.? So I get both sides of it. Obviously what Ben is saying is completely logical. It's like you could just hire a guy and not have to give up to first. Like two big, like big picks. You could just not. Right. You could simply not tweet or something. On the other hand, though, like when you look at the most, successful teams, the most consistently successful teams over the years, they have like four

pillars in place, the head coach, the quarterback, the ownership group, and the GM. And if those people, if those like factors all work in relative harmony, that's where you get like long-term winners. And so I'm sure from their point of view, they're like, we've got the ownership, us. You know, we've got a GM who I guess they still have confidence in. Now we have a quarterback and the GM that we can, and all those variables together, like no matter how much it costs, like now we can be a Super Bowl team. I'm sure this is like how they're talking themselves into it. So I do think it's like a lot to give up for all these variables. But at the same time, those are the most, those are the foremost important parts, I think, to a franchise in terms of

consistent long-term winning. If you, you know, give me a trillion dollars, make me the CEO of Walmart and the owner of the Broncos. And it's not sure. It's just 70 billion. Oh, my bad. It's on me. It's on me. I sit down and I'm, I'm looking at this team. And like, also a first time owner group, a little bit green to it. They got Russell Wilson and like, you know, He was supposed to be the guy that got them in contention. I can understand how they have talked themselves into and how I would also talk myself into, let's get Sean Payton and go win a Super Bowl in two years.

From the outside, I go, dude, look at the division, look at the conference. Like, look at Russ's age. Like, you can't. So I get why, like, with their proximity to it, they've talked to themselves into it. I think Stephen Ruiz, for us, made a really good point in the article.

He wrote about Peyton, which was that, like, hey, like, even if that was the assumption and it doesn't work because Russ is washed, Sean Payton's still a good head coach, right? If I say, oh, no, this team has to go through a huge rebuild with low money, Sean Payton's very high in the list of guys I'd like to be there to help us through it, right? He's good at coaching around different quarterbacks,

changing his offense for the skill set of the quarterbacks. I think he's going to help us. I really do. That, of course, presumes that Sean Payton is interested in doing that. I think that's the argument to me for what you're saying about the first and second. Because if Sean Payton's like going at 100% yes, what concerns me, I mean, this is unfair. But what concerns me is he took this job. I feel like not because he's like Denver is where I want to be and win Super Bowl's for my legacy.

he took the job because he's like, holy shit, they're going to pay me $150 million in six years. Yeah. Is that the official number? I don't know, but let's, like, I'm basically extrapolating from the reports that he wanted a $20 to $25 million. And I'm assuming he got, you know, if Matt Rule got a six year deal, I'm going to go ahead and say Sean Payton probably got six years. So it's 20 times six is like the floor. And it's like, look, it's not bad that he got paid a lot of money and he got what he's worth.

But it's not good that that's what pulled him into the job, like cash money records. And that shouldn't be it. That's where I officially land on like just this entire thing for the. the Broncos is, I think, like, when I wrote my article, I said, like, all right, let's start with what happened. Sean Payton's the coached the Broncos. It's good news. It's nice and simple.

It's great. Once we, like, widen the scope a little bit, the users just starts getting worse and worse and worse and worse. But when you realize that, like, the Broncos are claiming that they were not trying to get Damico Ryan's on the phone the day they hired Sean Behan. But I'm inclined to believe the report that came out five minutes before that report. So Ian Rappapaport tweets, wow, this is weird. Like, they were going to get Hayton and then they were going to do Damico and then they

we're going to talk to Harbaugh, and then it was like they were calling the same day. And then five minutes later, Adam Schaefter's like, nope, none of that happened. Actually, per sources, we didn't like rap tweet. Come on, guys. We can see this. So I think the Broncos hiring process is an example of bad process, good results. Right. And good result is good.

But over time, bad process wins out. And so if they like typically go this way, like, or Danny says, they're not getting the discounts. The Walmart folks, you know, they're playing premium price. that's going to think be a problem for the team long term. So really, like, Broncos are one of the most fascinating teams in league right now. This is not a very novel thing to say, but it just had slipped past me until now that it's George Payton and Sean Payton. And Peyton Manning, and they all spell it differently.

And it's like, so that we just know it. But back to the question of Peyton or Sean Peyton or Devonte, I'm kind of like still team coach. Also, I've never thought of this war, but just off the top of my head. Coaches who've made two Super Bowls in our lifetime, Andy Reed for the Chiefs, who was formerly successful coach of the Eagles, Bill Belichick, who was a coach for the Browns, you got Tom Coughlin, who was a coach for the

Jaguars. Like, I don't know, I kind of think of, again, it's not like as simple as a plus B equals C, but I kind of look at I'm like, if it's successful, you look at all the coaches who have been traded. It's like John Gruden's a weird one because he got traded to a stack roster, but immediately beat the team that traded from in the Super Bowl, which is insane. But, you know, Bill Belichick

was traded for first and second, as slow as you said to me earlier. Like, it was basically punitive. It was like the Patriots stolen from the Jets, then they had to like pay damages. But again, a first and second for Belichick, is that the best trade in sports history? You know what I mean? Right. The first, the second and third for Bill Belichick.

It's like, what was he really worth? Like eight first round picks? Coaches don't have like their prime years either. Like they can, well, they do, but less, it's way wider. It's way. I guess I look at it is if Sean Payton's middling, like, yeah, maybe Devonte's better, but I'm like, if Sean Payton does a good job and maximizes everyone in the team, how could he not be worth more than Devante Adams?

I think like, yes. I'm not positive we get that. Right. That's fair. And that's where, like, it's like a lot of this nuance and a lot of this, like, right, how exactly the Broncos land on Peyton, how exactly the Payton land on the Broncos. Like, that's where it starts to fold in. There's a Wikipedia article, actually, that I found when I was writing the piece

about list of Super Bowl head coaches to help make your point. Coach is active right now who have been to multiple Super Bowls. Oh, Pete Carroll. I forgot. Yeah. Sean McVeigh's been to two. Pete Carroll's been to two. Mike Tomlin's been to two.

Andy Reid's been to three in a week and a half will have been to four. Bill Belich's been to nine. Those are the only active coaches who've been to multiple Super Bowls. The totality of coaches who have been to multiple Super Bowls is like about 20. I'm just like looking at it from here. Sean Payton, since Sean Payton became a head coach, only Belichick has won more Super Bowles than Sean Payton. He won one. McVeigh won, Carol won, Carole one, Tomlin, 1,1, Reed, 1, like.

And if it's just games since like 2009, it's just Belichick and, well, now it's Andy Reid, but it's like Belichick, Andy Reid, Pete Carroll, and Sean Payton, like, that's the top four and everyone else. You'll give you comments behind them. Yeah, so that's why it's important. Like, when I say like Peyton's like a good coach, he's a great coach. Like, I can understand why they talk themselves in a Super Bowl with him. It's like, people might say like, oh, we had 15 years of Breezy.

Only won one one, man. They also should have made two because the past interference at the Rams. I know. I was thinking about that too. And they had the Minneapolis Miracle Bad Beat. Like they had the two. Most like improbable like loss. Nicole Roby Coleman is the reason Sean Payton is.

that goes to Denver Broncos. Yeah. Like sliding doors. I love that stuff. I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop. When is Taysam Hill going to be a Denver Bronco? I said to Danny today in the stands. I said,

who's your favorite 240-pound athletic white man? He's going to get drafted in the seventh round by the Denver Broncos. What do you give up for Taysom Hill? Like another first round pick? One of two. He and Champagne, equal value. Oh, my God.

That's just fun. I feel like you never get to talk about like coaches or whatever being treated. All right. So let's get to the senior bowl. Let's real. Senior Bowl is kind of a weird thing. How would you guys describe? What is the senior bowl?

Is this like a job fair? Is that like the best way to say it? It's an intense athletic job. Not really because of a job fair. There's some jobs you don't want and there's some booths you pass. And here it's like, yes, I would love to be a patriot. Yes, I would love to be a bangle. Yes, I would love to be a Cardinal.

So this is like the Wall Street, whatever. And it's like you're going through all the banks and it's like, it's a showcase. You know what I'm saying? Like they say it's a showcase game. But you're like, you know, think Shark Tank, but they're all pitching at the exact same time. Oh my God. Shark tank. Shark tank.

There's sharks that can jump 11 feet. Yeah, yeah. Are you interested in 4,000 yards of career production at 15%. Yeah, it's right. It's a showcase. We see a sliver of the showcase because we see the practices. There's a large portion of the showcase in terms of interviews that we're not privy to. But that's what it is.

It's like Shark Tank's a good metaphor for that aspect of it because it's three total reps and one-on-ones, right, that day. It's a 15-minute, five-minute, 10-minute, meet and great with the assistant general manager of the Lions. It's like you have a very small window to make a good impression, a positive impression, and you have to do it under very high stress. These players don't get a lot of sleep, but doing a ton of stuff. This is multi-million dollars and everything like that.

So it's a showcase. And, you know, the amount of players that will make a ton of money or lose a ton of money is overstated, but some players will make a ton of money, lose a ton of money with their performance this week. We'll move up and have multiple rounds. And that's important. So there have been a bunch of first-round quarterbacks here in the past. Like Dave Gettleman once said that he fell in full bloom love with Daniel Jones at the Senior Bowl.

this year honestly let's be real like there's not that many famous people at this game this year like max dug in like the tCU quarterback is like by a lot like the most famous player here probably and he's a fourth round pick no at best later yeah yeah like okay he's not going to be the highest pick but he probably is he's the most he's the most famous like household name he's a quarterback and that's the perfect one yeah to explain what we're going to do here we're going to rip off a very great podcast called who weekly shout out who weekly which is about dealist celebrities and the whole point is there are thems and there are whews. Brad Pitt is a them.

People know who Brad Pitt is. Max Duggan is a who. And you're like, you know, the guy who got blown out by George in the title game. You're like, oh, yeah. Okay, cool, cool. So it's like, this is just a bunch of who's. And we're going to go through all the people who are like, who? Shout out Who Weekly.

And we're going to go through all these seniors. You guys have been grinding tape, which honestly, I hate that term because how long has been since you actually watch tape, like 20 years? Yeah, it's all digital. Yeah, I was going to say street. I was going back last night. And I was like, grinding streams just doesn't sound hardcore. Right.

I've been streaming. I've been streaming. I've been streaming. I've been streaming. So hard. Yeah, it just doesn't sound cool. I streamed for several minutes earlier.

Yeah. So, yeah, exactly. So anyway, but you guys were watching. Yeah. Let's just run through.

You want to start like in the, we'll just start with like vaguely like the best players, but we'll start with like the trench guys. Dickette, who's, who do you think is maybe the best player here? Keon White. Who?

Yeah. Monday? Who? Who is not? as we're recording Wednesday. Oh, yeah. This is actually an excellent example because I think he's going to be

one of the bigger risers coming out of the Senior Bowl. So remember who, Georgia Tech, defensive end? He's a tall, really twitchy athlete, you know, and he plays defense fan. He can play a little bit on the inside.

He's just explosive. And he was a, I would say he's a relative sleeper coming into this week. And then Daniel Jeremiah, like, ranked him in the top 10. And then he's looked really good. And so, like, all these factors combined,

he's going to shoot up a lot of draft boards like in the next couple of weeks just because people are starting to like pay more attention to him and see some of the you know some of the like athleticism, twitchiness, power, strength that's why he's like maybe a top ten pick? I think he could potentially be a top ten pick.

So I mean I don't know exactly like obviously we got a long way to go and he'll, I think he'll test really well too probably so that's going to push him up. But yeah, I would say he has a good chance to be the highest drafted guy because there's really not anybody else I think in this group here in Mobile right now

because there was a bunch of guys that dropped out like a week ago. Yeah. That would have been like top 10 picks. But I think he has the best chance of being like, you know, a top 10, top 15 pick. Why would people drop out of the senior bowl? Well, there's, for some players, there's a lot to lose and little to gain, right? Will Levis cough.

Right. Will Levis is going to be a top 10 pick. He's going to be a top 10 pick if he like doesn't show up to anything for the remaining process. He should show up to the combine. Well, he's got to, well, first, Will Levis, Kentucky quarterback, and he has to eat mayonnaise, he put mayonnaise in his coffee. on television somewhere.

Oh, yeah, the man-n-dh coffee guy. Who? Yeah. But even like Stets and Bennett, who's like, who I remember Stets and Bennett? He was the national champion quarterback for Georgia this past year and the season previous. Recently posted bail. Yes.

And the thing about Bennett is while, yes, it would be better for him to have been in the Super Bowl and not in the drunk tank at whatever county jail he was in. Bennett coming to this game off of back-to-back national championships and like demonstrating that he's smaller than. doesn't have a stronger arm than Clayton Tune doesn't really help him a lot. To the point where he was like, I'd rather be in jail. Yes, right, exactly.

I'd rather be in jail than be worse than Clayton Tune. So, like, Ben... He could have just not done that second part, though. No, it was like a would you rather. It was like... He could have simply not... Ben is a rare example of, like, a day three pick who couldn't gain anything from the senior bowl.

He'd really already kind of maxed out his stock at 25 with multiple national championships. But Will Levis. Bryce Young was invited. You know what I'm saying? Bryce doesn't need this, right? Devin Witherspoon, the Illinois corner. Then Tyree Wilson was...

He's banged up. And, like, Levis is also banged up. So for these guys as well, like, if you're at 85%, you've got a nagging injury, like, you know, you don't want to come and do an extra three, four days of workouts. You don't necessarily have to do. So let's dropouts that reason. So we don't need those guys because we have...

Oh, this is a real who. I'm going to get this wrong. Cody M-M-M-H-M-A-U-C-H-H-M-A-U-C-H. So North Dakota State, big-time, who? And so let me get this straight. He went to North Dakota State was a tight end. He gained 80 pounds.

He lost like eight front teeth. Where did they go? He showed up with a buzz cut and then he left. He has orange locks down to like below his shoulders with a giant orange beard. And with that with his, he smiles a lot and he doesn't have like his front teeth anymore. Like I'm not going to like he's like a hockey player playing football.

Yeah. He got them knocked out playing a basketball game in junior. high. And he like played a ton. And then I think he got like replacement ones, like fake ones, but he played so many contact sports that they kept on popping out to the point where he was like, nah. And once you're just going to leave yourself with no front teeth, you have to be a big smiler. If you're not like going, if you're just a regular smiler, now it's awkward. Like people like you smile. Like you wear your teeth. You have just constantly be like, ha ha, and like smile and let people know. Like, it's an amazing party truck. I had a roommate in college who hit the two teeth

next to your front teeth. I don't know what those are called. I almost said circumcisors. That's wrong. By incisors? Insizers. I confuse that a lot, which is awful because those are...

I'm really worried about circumcised. That's not a good moment for the pod. That's a worrisome thing. That's a worse thing that just happened. Anyway, he had... Those two teeth had been... He'd lost those two teeth, and he had like a retainer thing

that would keep the other, like, the fake ones in. And I didn't know this. And one time he just looked at me and he goes, hey, Danny. And then he like jiggled them around. and it was like the most startling. That's good. Just like crazy thing I've ever seen in my life.

I'll never forget that moment. So he, like, Cody Maq could do this. So Cody Maugh, I don't know what game I was watching where North Dakota State was playing, but I had something on ESPN and just some game on. And I was like doing stuff around the house. Like I wasn't watching my girlfriend.

We were just like doing stuff. And like the volume and they just have this side by side of Cody Maach and another guy. And I'm like, who are the, why are they comparing these two people? And it took us both like a full minute to realize it was the same person. It was a side by side of him before. Yeah. Anyway, is he good at football or is this just like the face of the senior bowl is this toothless ogre-like lovable man?

You always get one, right? Where like the senior ball always wants to make sure they have connections to the FCS and that they're doing the work with those schools. And it's greatly to the FCS schools benefit and the senior bowl's benefit. Like last year was Christian Watson. Chris Watson was the top four. Totally. A wide receiver. Massively rose of stock here.

Sometimes it's, you know, like alignment. And Cody Mock's like a solid film. His first week, first day was extremely rough. He struggled. Now, he played tackle for the Bison, and he's playing guard and center here, right? Because that's where his size kind of... Why would they do that? Because that's where his size is more so predicts he'll play at the NFL level.

Right. And so it's... But what are you going to learn from someone's first two days playing guard? Would you rather see... Well, their, like, ability to pick up things quickly and, like, adapt. Because a lot of the time these guys, like, the teams will ask them and encourage them to, like, try different positions. And then they obviously are going into that with... The teams will go into that with that knowledge.

Like, he doesn't... play this position, therefore we'll cut him some slack, but how much can he pick it up? So it's not even like, okay, we kind of know he's going to get his ass kick. Day one, playing against the best players he's ever played against, but it's like day two. So how did he do, did he do better? He did better. He snapped the ball well.

He played some center today. Yeah, exactly. He snapped the ball well as the center, which he's been working on. And then he did much better on one-on-ones as a guard. And the he's national team, right? I can never, I can never remember which team. He's national team. And the national team interior is gnarly.

They got some dogs. And so the entire interior office line for the national team, because the team scrimmage against themselves to start in the game. We literally are talking about practice. I keep forgetting that. Yeah. Yeah, but it's meaningful practice. You know what I'm saying?

Like, this is a practice that's super important. Like I said, it's showcase. Yeah, he's national team. National team. Yeah. So, like, he's losing a Keanu Benton. He's losing the Bowling Green kid. But then the second day was better.

Who? Yeah, I don't know the name of the Bowling Green kid. Carl Brooks. Yeah, he's been, he's been excited. Well, he's at them. Carl Brooks. Carl Brooks was a 300-pound defensive end for the Bowling Green.

Like, I don't know what the situation there was. I mean, even the bowling green themselves are kind of a home college. Like, it's like, what is that? Yeah, the, uh, but he had a better day in day two. And there are some guys like, uh, Keon, right, from Georgia Tech. Remind me his last name. Keon White.

White. I always want to say Keon Cross and that's a different player. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Keon White's a guy that you expect to walk in and day one dominate, day two dominate, dominate, day three dominate. Good night. A lot of these guys will dominate day one and then stop playing because they're like, I've shown that I'm good.

And like once, like, once Keon comes and he dominates, he shows that he's like that first round caliber, that's great for him. Mock is more one of these guys that you expect to come in day one

in struggle. Like the quarterback's always day one. They don't know the timing with the receivers, right? They're not used to throwing to these guys. They can't like shanky.

It can't like shanky. Yeah. And then like day two they get better, day three get better. So there are guys you expect to improve and mock's one of those guys. Okay.

Not everybody can be Quinn Miners. Is kind of the thing. Who? Quinn Miners was he's Wisconsin Whitewater lineman UWWW last year right I literally just know Wisconsin

wasn't that like a Clinton scandal? What is that? Is that a real place? It's a satellite campus for Wisconsin that is a really really good D3 school and miners played there D3 not even D2 What year was this? This was two years ago

and now he plays for the Broncos Yeah and he came in and was one of the biggest risers in the whole thing and big part because he was able to like pick things up on the fly yeah you know like quick learner he never made the same mistake twice like all these cliches but like the teams look at that and they're saying like this guy we can coach him up and make him a really good interior lineman or whatever um so that was that's the other

example that like comes to mind is the quin miners like ascension that's not going to happen every time for all these small school guys sometimes they just struggle okay so while we're on lineman here to juan jones ohioio state he's got what we have dubbed now the joey porter junior arms where it's like he is so long the kevin durant thing we need to put his pockets by knees. So is this the best tackle? Like, is he a first round tackle? Is he a second round tackle? I think he's ended the first round by the time this is all said. And then when you go back and you look at previous drafts, you see a lot of senior bowl guys who make it like 25 to 32. 25 to 32, what? Oh, like in the draft or on length. Because I have no idea how long arms mean.

I don't know how my arm's off. 25 to 32 is that's pretty short arms. That you're playing guard if you're at 32. If you're under 33, how long are my arms? Like I also don't think, how tall am I in high? Six times 12. What does that mean? What are you talking about? I'm 70 inches. So my arm's just supposed to be 70 inches. Six times 12 is 72. Let's agree on that first.

You draft. You like draft nerds are always like, oh my God, 34 inch arms. And literally every time I'm like, okay, wait, so that means it's just about knowing your poles, right?

Like 33 inches is the minimum. No, I'm saying like, know the floor, right? I know. It's just like, do I know what like, honestly,

I probably can't look at somebody back it's about 34 inch arms at this point. It's like longer than 33 inches. Dewan Jones is what, six foot eight, and then I want to say his arms came in like 35 in an eighth memory service might be wrong on that.

That sounds right. And then he had like an 89 inch wingspan. Why do we have to do the eighth? That's how they do it. I don't know. Yeah. I mean like... We cut your nails.

Why do we have to do any of this? None of this is real man. Can we just use the metric system? The metric system would be. Huge help for a lot of this. Right. DeWond is a large young man and he is...

And he's... a little bit plotting as as bigger tackles tend to be, but he's not inflexible. He can get low, which is really important for guys of his size. And he uproots dudes. I'm talking about with his length, like there's a chance like he would just like play at distance.

And he gets into guys, into guys cylinder and lifts him up and moves him. You said uproot. I'm picturing Groot. Yeah. Like it's like like, oh, that's a great conference.

I'm going to use that for my comp. He can move big players. He took DJ Johnson, the past rush out of Oregon, just put him in the turf, man. I mean, he's, he's the sort of like the,

the sort of arc that you got from Isaiah Wilson, who has drafted late first round, despite like, you know, off the field red flags. I think you see an arc for Duan Jones where, like, if he shows functional movement skills, if I think on his tape, you see it in the senior ball, and you'll see it in the combine. You see that in Indianapolis.

I think he's a late one. And also, he did not show up today. He did one day. Was very impressive. And then he stopped coming to the senior ball. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. hand we're like Cody Mock, you know, had a bad day, shows up the second day, resilient. No, he had a good day. No, I know that. Cody Mock, I don't want to call, if ogre sounds me, I mean like a lovable ogre. Like he's, Oaf.

Oaf, that's what I've been. Ophish. He has oafish. He's like bad first day, you show up the second day, you play better. Great, resilient. Coaches love that. You tell me that a guy has one good day of practice is like, wipes his hands like, all right, I'm good.

Peace. But the coach's and the scouts hate that, but the agent's doing it because you prove what you came to prove. Now, if you were dominant, if you get hurt, it lowers your stock. So the guy has to be like, my agent told me to and like, he's, I think he said, I don't even know if he said anything, but basically they were like, I had a small injury or something like that. Like Javon Kinlaw, very famously, like walked out on the first day of senior bowl practices. Dominated. Played like, like, like heavy metal, like just like wreaked havoc. Like it was like, it was an anime, dude. I mean, he was all over the place. And then like, next day was like, my hand hurts. My hammy, my hammy.

It's so funny to me to be like, like, imagine you do that at a real job interview. Like you crush the first interviews and they're like, come back for the second day and you're like, nope, fuck off. I left already. Listen, the entirety of the draft process cannot be liking to any sort of real interview process. It's all bananas. Dude, on the other side of the coin, by the way, Rochon Johnson running back, this is a total random aside.

He's the backup to Bijan. Right. And he's a pretty good player. He looked pretty good on day one. He played most of the first practice with a broken hand. And then he like realized his hand was broken. And then he had to drop out today because his head broken hand. But like that to me was like, holy shit, you show some toughness.

He just like basically finished practice with a broken hand. Dude, this I broke my hand. This whole job we have is so weird. Yeah. This is so odd. I got, I literally had breakfast with that I did this morning. With the Roshan Johnson? Yes.

Yeah. Yeah. I had a coffee. And he didn't mention his broken hand. No. I showed. Wait, which hand is? Wait, he broke it yesterday or today.

I shook his hand. He broke it yesterday. I didn't know you saw Rocheon this morning. I didn't have my coffee yet and I sounded like a moron, but he was very polite about it. Well, if I should. Maybe you broke his hand. Do you think my handshake was too strong? Wow.

The investigation did Danny Hyfitts? How he liked it Rochon's drafts? Let's move on before I get like a grievance or something. I know, right? Okay. Receivers. I want to know about which receivers are doing really well. I think the biggest story of the of the week so far, we've obviously only been two days,

but is this Michael Wilson guy from Stanford. Who? Exactly. That's actually literally my reaction because he was not on my radar, to be totally honest. It was like one of those guys where I'm like, oh, I don't recognize that name really. I don't know who this guy is. Part of the reason is he's played six, four, and four games in each of the last three seasons. He's missed more games with injury over the last three years than he has played for Stanford. So he's like Mike Williams' little brother. Yeah, and I was trying to figure out what his injury was last year and it was like undisclosed or something or the year before. He was just ready for the NFL.

He's like, I don't need to play anymore. But he has been incredibly, incredibly impressive. So I think he's been one of the top standouts, like, at the receiver position period. But that's especially true because I think he came in as one of the more relative unknowns. So, you know, credit to the NFL and Jim Nagy for, like, you know, scouting this guy up and seeing he had some traits because, like, he was not on my radar coming in. And so he's been, I think, one of the more impressive guys. He's a former four star. he has, I would say, like, really quick feet combined with, like, good size.

I think he's like 6-2. What is he? He's 6-2-10 or something like that. That was his, like, listed weight was 6-2-10 by Stanford. He was 6-1.5-216. Every time I think of listed weight by a college, I think about how my high school let me list myself at whatever I wanted. Oh, my driver's license says I'm 5-8, brother.

They actually listed him, they listed him a little bit taller, but he's heavier. here than he was playing at Sanford. So anyways, he has good size, really quick feat for his size. I think he just like moves really well, good body control. He was winning a lot of the one-on-ones. He just looks really good. So your deep knowledge, you two, of this guy that you kind of found that existed like 48 hours ago. Give me a 100% deadlock, rock solid comparison of exactly who is NFL career ability. Throw out a name. Ooh, that's a good question. Is he Calvin Johnson? Is he Keenan Allen? Is he a blend, I would say. J. J. J. J. Arsigal, Whiteside. blood into those three.

I mean, the guy that came to mind was, like, Michael Pittman, like, stylistically. I'm not saying he's going to be as good as Michael Pittman, but, like, good size, like, good movement skills, can run after the catch, like, get deep. That was the guy who I thought of, but, like, I'm not saying he's going to be Michael Pittman. Yeah, now. Pitman, Pittman's a good one. My first thought was, like, right, like, that, like, what Adam Thielen is right now, sort of a guy. That's a good one. That's a good one. Oh, okay. Like, going to be put out to pasture, like, a farm of state? Well, just to say that, like, like, the, what's stealing. Oh, stealing 6-2-200.

There we go. Love that. Yeah, but like, you know, not like a one, but a guy who uses his size well, runs his routes well, moves a lot on the field. We'll call him possession receivers. I wonder where he'll get drafted. Obviously, this is early still, but...

Yeah, the most important thing, and we haven't looked into, which is what his medicals look like. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's, well, you've only been 40 hours. Okay, speaking to good school, Stanford. Princeton guy. What's up with that?

Andre. How do you say that? I'm pretty sure it. I'm pretty sure it's Isovas. Yeah. That's the cool. This is where it's so helpful that you're, he's Hawaiian.

Oh my God. Yeah. I don't know. I briefly thought you're like Russian. I don't know. I thought his name was Greek. I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty.

None of us are even remotely new. I'm pretty. I'm pretty like, I don't think his, like, Andre Sova sounds like, right. It sounds like a great composer.

Sounds like a great composer. I had written down Yosevas. You wrote down the pronunciation? Yeah. All right. Welcome to the senior bowl. I was listening to like, you know, his tape or whatever.

And the announcers were saying Yosevis. This is great. We can't figure out his name. But he was really good at everyone's like Princeton guy. Well, he's Princeton, so therefore he's not like that well known. But he's a heptathlet, which I don't exactly know what that. What number is that? Seven.

So it's like a run and then another run and then jump over some hurdles. Did I say that right? Hepat athlete. I would like everyone listening can play along with this. The seven, a heptathlete. So running, swimming, biking. No, no, no, no. It's like a triathlon

It's like track and field Yeah and it's not Like running That's Ironman Oh Swimming Running is not just one How are you going to get to seven

It's only somebody who needs to move from flying What's a triathlon A biathlon Decafala I was like what's the one with the 10 So Heptathlon Heptathlon Is a hundred meter

hurdles High jump shot put, 200 meter dash, long jump, javelin throw, 800 meter run. So to sum up, he's an incredible athlete in like a lot of different ways. And I think you can actually see that. Like when he was running routes and he was like doing some of the one-on-ones yesterday on Tuesday, I look up and I see this guy on an orange helmet and I'm like, I don't know who that is.

I like right off the top of my head. Did you say, I don't know who that is or were you like, what school is that? Both. I was like, I can't recognize this. It's foreign to me. I don't know what's going on. And he would, but he just. moves well. Like, obviously he's a pretty good size

athlete and he's fast. And then I look it up and it's this Yosevas guy. So, we can figure out how to pronounce it by like April. We have like two months to figure out of to say it. It's spelled for those of you at home, I-O-S-A-V-I-S. And I think it's pronounced Yosevas. But Yosevas, maybe people can correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't actually mean to make fun of like how to pronounce. I just generally like. Yeah. Well, I've heard like 12 different pronunciations since I've been here. So who knows. That's the most way to put it. is I haven't actually heard two people say the same one. Right. The single most valuable thing in all of scouting is the Princeton kid.

It's always like, right? It's always like, I will like, I will know the name of the player I'm talking about, but just inherently defaults like, oh, the Iowa State kid. This is the universal dad thing where it's like there's a point, Dika, your father, you understand, there's a point where you're like, you know what? Not learning any new names. This is why coaches are always like nine. Like those are calling by their number.

And it's like, yeah. My dad is always like, Danny, I love this. kid from LSU. And I'm like, Joe Burrow, he's like, yeah. This kid.

Yeah. Loves the kid from. Why hold two pieces of information in your head, school name, when you could hold one piece of information in your head, school. This is efficiency.

Exactly. So, all right, Princeton kid. I like, I like Reed a lot, the Michigan State kid, Jane and Reed.

Oh, me too. Yeah. There is a, I'm just you keep saying it. I'm like, people are supposed to know. I know,

I don't even know these. Yeah. Oh, we'll do it this way. Jayne Reed, who? the one guy making all of the Michigan state quarterbacks look decently

okay at times for the last four years. Oh, him. We have a proliferation of smalls. We have an epidemic. There's just smalls everywhere. SMOL. Yeah, just Tank Dell. Yeah, Tank Dell, the Houston receiver is here.

He's like 5-9. He's 5-8-165. Yeah, what, Trey Tucker from Cincinnati is here. 5-9-187. Can I tell you like a thing? I shouldn't, I'm going to say this. And like, it's on one hand, it's like a little upsetting to say, but it's honestly just true.

When we're like walking around the senior ball and like, you know, you get to the interviews, the one-on-one, you're like here with like, you know, 30 of these guys, right? And you're walking around. If I, I am not like, I'm 5'10. Like this literally average height, right? If I look down at a guy and he's not a running back,

I'm kind of like, oh boy. Yeah. You know what I'm like, this is bad. Yeah, so there's a lot of small receivers that have been like in the last few draft classes and this year is a glut of them. There's too many. Yeah.

And Jaden Reed benefits from this because Jaden Reed, in usual conditions would be like, oh, he's a little undersized. He's like, a shade under 511. He's not the biggest receiver. Terrible. It's not terribly small. Right, but then you watch him

with these other guys, and you're like, that fast one's big. This is the big fast one, you know? He is playing at very high speeds. And what I mean by that is like, he clearly has like legitimate athleticism and he's got long speed, he's got quickness. But a lot of these other players

are just kind of like, some of these quick guys, they like separate and they like hit a nice move. but they're out of control, they're wheeling, they're trying to find the football. They're not playing and running routes and tracking and boxing out defenders. It's almost like the 40-yard dash is a track thing, and that doesn't mean you can do your job as a wide receiver

getting around a quarterback at your 40-yard dash. And Reed just clearly like his body just knows what it's doing, right? It's not even meant. Like he's just naturally shielding off a receiver. He's finding the football. He's adjusting. Which is the definition of athleticism in a way. It's just always being under control.

He had two incredible deep routes, wonderful catches, both them against the sideline, both of which were like called incomplete and he was so mad at the rest who were like spiritually whatever he car to help yeah but the proof of concept in terms of like the body control making catches at high velocity surviving the ground like but there's there's a there's a completeness there some of these other speed guys lack and and he has a good enough density to him he seems like the sort of guy who if i'm if i'm pursuing that speed threat that you know touch the ball behind line of scrimmage that hand off that return threat and i'm worried about all these sub 180 pound

guys. Jaden Reed is the guy that I prefer. I've been impressed with him. I agree completely. He was the guy that caught my eye the most day one. I knew who he was beforehand, unlike the Michael Wilson guy. So that's, I guess, the reason I brought up Michael Wilson first. But I thought Jaden Reed has been probably the most impressive all-around receiver. The two guys that you mentioned, Tank Dell and Trey Tucker. Nathaniel Tank Del. He's 5-8-165. He's 5'8-165. He's 5'8, 165. and he goes by Tank. Yeah.

It's like a big guy being named Tiny. And then Trey Tucker, Trey Tucker from Cincinnati. Both of these guys have really, like, impressed. They look really good.

Like, if you go watch, they're cutups of like their one-on-ones. They're absolutely just annihilating people. But that's actually something you got to be a little bit careful

about in this situation because... That's what the smalls are supposed to do. Right. Don't over-emphasize how good they've been in one-on-ones

They know where they're going. Like, it's so hard for the corners in these situations. It's like these receivers can go anywhere on the field. There's no other players. Because the whole point is if a quarterback has safety help, you can go to the sideline and throw that small man to the ground. And if it's one-on-one, if you do that, and it doesn't happen, he just runs past you.

So it's like, it's unwinnable. So you have to be a little bit careful. But I will say both of those guys have looked really exciting. The other one I want to throw out here before we move on from receivers is Pukana Kua from BYU. That's an incredible name. Who? Sorry. I have a totally from everything.

You're forgetting. Who can, what is the name again? Puka Nakua. So we can do, Huka Nakua? He's actually a great example, too, of this who thing because I was watching

Jaron Hall, the quarterback from BYU, some of his tape this year. And this guy, Nakua kept showing up. I'm like, who is this guy? Because he actually has some really impressive tape, some big catches. He's another like, Nahuah, not Huku, it's, not Hukua.

Nahua. I got you. Gotcha. They were there. That was right there. Anyway, so those, I would say those are, for me, the most impressive. aggressive guys this week. So far, it's been two days, but in terms of the receiver position,

those guys have really stood out. The other dudes who I would say, I've really enjoyed watching. Keanu Benton knows tackle out of Wisconsin. He has a potential to be a high pick, in my opinion, a defensive tackle. Will McDonald, the edge out of Iowa State, who I wanted to like his film more than I did. He said, measurables are great, body, beautiful, good movement skills. And now he's killing these one-on-ones. And I'm like, don't do this to me. Will McDonald? I don't need this in my life. Sidney Brown, safety out of Illinois. He's been impressive.

It's a really weak safety class. I think that he can be impactful. And then I always forget the name of the Kansas State Corner. Buclou Kelly. Blue Q. Stanford. He was incredible.

Yeah. Yeah, the great day today. I'm impressed by him. He had a pick and then an almost pick again. Yeah. And I'm going to find the Kansas State Corner's name. Julius Brent's? Yeah.

6.3.202. Yeah. It's a challenging world out here for Corner. corners, it's really hard to look good. He's looked good. You know who just, like, from the stands, the guy who's like really impressive is J.L. Skinner? Oh, six foot four safety at a Boise. He is a tall guy.

Tall glass of water. I was, I was speaking with a scout during practice and I have not watched the Boise player and I said, uh, what's like, tell me about this boy's safety. What does he do? And he goes B64 and I was like, yeah, that's fair. He just towers over all the other corners is why. Like, you can like pick him out from like a hundred yards away. But I would say that like there's always

a couple names that like you did like you know they don't seem like a big deal like oh maybe they're a day two guy whatever that end up sneaking in a round one and some of those dudes John Michael Schmitz the interior office alignment out of Minnesota. A couple of those guys might sneak in. The one guy who might not he's not going to sneak into the end around one because he won't because of positional value but is great is Taijay Sharp. I I yeah. Spears excuse me thank you. Running back out of two lane. man, I watched that film and I was like, yeah, this is it.

And then he's coming out here and he just looks great. He looks great in pass protection. He looks good. He's built well. He and of course my favorite player here, the Michigan State punter. Bryce Barringer. The two big winners of the week, they won't go around one, but the two big winners of the week.

Ty J. Spears and my boy, Bryce Barrenger. Ben was literally timing the hang time of this guy's punts like during special teams install. He's hit 65 with five second hang time. Pro player, baby. It was amazing. I had no idea.

It was the first thing I did when I arrived. Because you're going, the teams go through warm up and stretch. The only thing that's really happening that's meaningful is like the specialists and Barringer shit, boom. He wears those goggles to like the glasses. He's got sports goggles.

Yes. Because I love glasses kicker. Blank and shit? Yeah, yeah. No, this is glass is funner. Or his cool. Does his look like glasses kickers? I think so.

They're like the black, really thick black. It's a punter. Yeah. Now let me, I'm going to Colton Pouncey of the Athletic, who did Michigan State stuff, shared this on Twitter. Berringer, walk on Illinois in 2017, transferred MSU in 2018, joined MSU football midseason that year, was not asked to return in 2019, took pictures for the creative team in 2019. He was the football team in 2020. In 2019, he was the photographer for the creative team.

Returned to the football team in 2020. They made him like an equipment manager. Are you kidding? Return to the team in 2020. led the Big Ten in punting in 2021, Ray Guy Award finalist for the best funner in the country in 2022. This is the greatest story of the entire track.

I know. I was like, I got a right story on this guy. It's incredible. Did he just need the glasses and then he became a better punter? Maybe the Rexbex changed everything. Oh my God.

They literally made him like an equipment manager. Wait, so we got to find his like photography. We got to find his gallery. Does he get a good eye? That's the question. Yeah. Like is he,

you know, with the respects. He's also. very good at racquetball. I don't know. Just like a picture a guy in those specs. Okay. Is there more a tweet?

No, that's it. Okay. A few other oddities that I wanted to mention, you guys can throw on anything that sticks out to you. I do want to mention there's a quarterback from some college named Shepard, which I think is an elaborate hoax. Yes. And his dad was an arm wrestler, a professional arm wrestler.

I think this guy's made up. I don't think anyone can prove to me that. You can't prove he actually did any of the things that they've said he's done. I don't think Shepard's a real place. I don't think his dad's a professional armor. I think it's like a long con. Give me a guess of where you think Shepard is, the college. I looked it up the other day.

Don't Google it. I'm not Googling it. I promise. We should have done two fake two colleges and a lie. Seriously. That was an mistake. Tennessee. Not bad.

It's always somewhere south. It's always like Georgia. West Virginia. That's south. Is, yeah. So yeah, this guy's name is Tyson, Tyson, Baggent. He has 158 career passing touchdowns, which I believe is the NCAA.

All-time record. Oh, that is the most of any player ever at any level. It's D2, but he's the most. Right, right. And as you said, his dad is a former champion arm wrestler. I was reading up on this guy.

What's that mean? Who knows? So I think arm wrestling? The best. And he wins. Fuck you. What do you say is a champion? Sure.

What was that guy who got, who got, not canceled, but the guy with the shirt, Liver King? Like, could he beat Liver King in an arm wrestling? Like, are we really,

are we sending our best at the best? It's not just having big arms. it's technique. Yeah, dude, it's all about wrist strength. So apparently his dad... You put a YouTube some arm wrestling. I did this.

Look, I broke a running back's hands today. So like, you know what? I think that I know some of it. Arm wrestle? Bargeon's dad. Tyson Badgeon.

His dad is like a bit of a showman. No shit. He's a professional arm wrestler. He go up... I was watching a video of him. He's like yelling at his opponent. He's like, you know,

like doing the thing where he's just like holding his arm at like a 45 degree angle as the guy's like straining to get him like, get like, you know, finish the job. job and he just cannot do anything.

This guy is screaming at his opponent, like, basically taunting him. And then he just, you know, whips it back and, like, goes over the top. There's Andre Carter, the second here. He's also, so Army, so it would have been cooler if he was good enough to go in the first round because Army hasn't had a player in the first round in, like, forever. 70 years. They haven't ever player drafted, like, before the sixth or seventh round in an extremely long time, too, because obviously, like, as players got bigger, the army did not make

players be able to be fatter. Right. And so, you know, everyone just has to be smaller and be in the Army. But it's just an oddity, but obviously there's also, like, you know, stuff going on in Congress and, you know, spending bills and stuff. And, like, his actual, like, ability to get a deferment granted from the Army was, like, being negotiated by, like, Congress. And anyway, just his eligibility for the draft itself is, like, part of, like, a spending bill, which is just kind of remarkable. So, anyway, I don't know. Would have been more funny if his first rounder, though.

Yeah, he doesn't, he's probably not going to go that early. I think he's a little bit like, he needs to bulk up a little bit. The argument for him was he looked poor because he isn't in the weight room at Alabama. And so if they make him bigger, he'll be better. Is that basically? Yeah, it's like he's, he's one of these guys that's walking on toothpicks, right? Like he's got a nice, well-developed upper half. He's long and then his legs, he has no calves.

He's just a soldier. He's like a weakling, basically. That's what we're saying here. Yeah, the army, like, in terms of like army weightlifting and training, the army only lets you squat so much, so many times before they're like, it's not worth it. Like, it doesn't help us the military. You don't need to have glutes.

You know what I'm saying? It's like he's just not developed the way a football player measured the glutes and then you can already get a certain amount. They're more like functional strength. Yeah. And so if a player looked like that and they were in the Alabama weight program for four years, you're like, okay, their body simply cannot put on this mask. The Devonte Smith theorem.

Like if Alabama couldn't make him over 170, nobody's making him over 170. When player comes out of Army looking like this, you go, oh, we can probably body recomp it because he's being treated differently. What did you just say? Body recomp. Recomposition. Recompose his body. That sounds like...

Redistribute weight into different areas. That sounds like a Marvel thing when they like transport someone across like a different dimension. It's like, yeah, we... Right. And man, we re-transported him. You know, if I tell you somebody is like six foot 200 pounds, there's a lot of different ways six foot 200 pounds can look in terms of like where the weight is carried. That's body composition.

So when you change where the weight is carried, it's body recomposition. And that's... I just like that you said body recomp. And like expected... I'm just like... It's a common thing. Yeah, body recopper. So I liked Carter's film.

I just, Carter's not going to be a guy where there's articles out in 20, 23. Like, the rookie season of Andre Carter has been incredible. It's going to be, like, there's articles out in 2025. That's like, day three pick, Andre Carter is finally rounding out into the player that X team wanted him always to be. And he's going to be like 270 pounds. You know what I'm saying? Like it's going to be body recompt.

Body recombed. It's going to be, you know, comment placed by then. Uh, any other players stand out. guys. A couple of the guys I want to just mention as potential first round picks that have been getting a lot of buzz here. Tidend, Luke Musgrave out of Oregon State. Good one, yeah. He made a couple good plays today, in fact, and he looked pretty good. He's another guy that's like really athletic, really tall, has been injured a lot in college, so it didn't get a ton of like high. So I'm laughing because you said he was athletic. He's very athletic. He's supposed to, like, there's buzz he's going to run like a high

four-four. So there we go. Five tight-ins are going. Just so you know, D-K and I always needle D-K because he's like, everyone's like, you know, tight end, big, athletic. I'm like, those are like the main two purposes. So I'm like, I only want to hear when a tightens athletic. It's all relative. Listen, my Philadelphia Eagles give Jack Stoll

Titan-Hen-Hen-Hen Nebraska 20 snaps a game. I would not describe Jack Stoll as big athletic. We also did, we did two tight ends at a lie and we thought Jack Stoll was real was the fake one. Yeah, no, Jack Stoll is very real. He's not like very real. He's not like extremely real. This is getting like really like

Jack Stole who's been listening to this whole pod It's just catching strays Yeah what Lay off of Jack Stoll And then the other guy I wanted to mention Is Derek Hall from Auburn Edge Rusher Who has

He measured in with really long arms 34 and 3 eighth inch arms 83 inch wingspan Which is great for a guy who's 6-3 But he's like big Dick Exposive edge rusher Thick

Oh okay What did I Nothing I miss what you Keep going A lot of draft terms sound sexual. Oh, is that what you're getting at? All right. While we're here, the amount of times you're like, yeah, defensive end, you know, you just got to like, you know, penetrate, bend, finish.

Great, great rap. And I'm like, all right. Let's maybe we can like change these terms. Eyes through the thighs. Wrap. Wrap up. Yeah. It is hard sometimes to keep a straight face.

Track the hip. I don't know. I mean, everything that you say in football sounds sexual. It's a little. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah. So he's another guy to keep in mind.

I'm sure there's a couple others that might sneak in. Osir's Torrance from Florida might be a first round of pick, early second. And then a couple of the tackles, I think. Like Darnel Wright from Tennessee. Matthew Bergeron from Syracuse. You mentioned John Michael Schmitz from Minnesota. You like Bergeron that much. Well, I think he's been impressive in like the one-on-one's this week.

I'm not saying he's going to be a first round pick. I think he's got an outside shot at like rising in the process. I'll say Bergeron. Sorry, who? Matt Bergeron, his office alignment. Syracuse. He's from Canada originally. And he came to... Dement. Started as a freshman. It's just been taking names ever since. Every single person I talked to who talks about Berserod.

Really? Yeah. From what I understand, he was one of these guys that, like, everybody was trying not to talk about because they wanted him to be a secret. And then somebody started talking about him and everybody wants to talk about him because they've been holding their tongue on him. Burjohn's got a lot of fans. Yeah, he's been impressive in my... Like, I haven't gone back and watched all the tape of the trench stuff. but he looks good. That's all I got. What do you got?

Hi Fitz. You guys want to do some emails? I'm going to pause two jargons in a live for a week, but we are a couple emails, Solac. I'm bummed Craig's not here with us because Craig made an incredible point during the Chiefs Eagles game.

Sorry, no, the Chiefs, that's the Super Bowl. Craig is in the future. The Chief's Pengles game. Did you see, no, I'm wrong. It was the Eagles 90s game. When I think it was Landon Dickerson got hurt. They cut to like the in-game Applebee's commercial So like a split screen between the

So they were showing Landon Dickerson like writhing in pain. Yeah. But it was hyper extending his elbow. But the audio and the side was right side screen was an Applebee's commercial and it was just Start me up. It was just like singing like, and like it was we were like cry laughing.

We just have a disgusting country. So we got a disgusting culture. It's like this injury is sponsored by Applebee's editizers. And so we got a lot of emails about this. Shout out to everyone who did. We got a lot of emails. But I want to read from Stephen. Craig didn't even mention the best part of the.

Applebee's commercial. Oh yeah, thank you for doing the Stephen. Stephen. Who? Nailed it. Craig didn't even mention the best part of the Appleby's commercial. Me and my brother and a couple cousins all got together over the weekend at Cab and watched together. The commercial not only was horrible timing, but the best part was at the end of it as he's being walked off and writhing in pain. He's like, the song is like, you make a grown man cry. Oh my God. We're living in a simulation. Yeah, the split screen commercial is a tough idea. I understand why they wanted to go for it

because they're greedy sons of guns and they want to get more commercials up and they want to shorten, you know, the commercial time. So if you can stick a commercial in there, you can shorten the overall break time. Good idea. But it's a tough.

It's a tough way. You can't do it. People get hurt. They need to just, someone needs to step and be like, why don't we not play the Applebee's thing? Like, like, nah. The best part is we've gotten several people

like tweeted us or wrote to us that say they can't watch Applebee's the same anymore. You know what's messed up? We pointed this stuff out. We ruined Applebees. And then people tweeted us or email us when these things happened. And they're like, oh, every time I see like a player riding in pain during an ad, I think of you guys.

I'm like, all right. I'm glad that's our niche now. The other one I just want to read, a lot of feedback on the Empire State Building. So, like, as you can imagine, I just absolutely lost my mind about the Empire State Building lighting up. I told Hyvitz, I'm going to get a supersized Jalen Hertz jersey and put it on the Statue of Liberty. Oh, my God. Like, honestly, it's not even as bad because at least that's for like America. and it's in New York.

The Empire State Building, it's called the Empire State. Right. Like, that's the, that's the motto of the state of New York is the Empire State. So anyway, got an email from Amy. Amy.

Who? I would know what that got me again. So we were basically, we had a dumb conversation like, who runs the Empire State Building? Right. And so Amy's like, Tony.

Yeah. So Amy basically answers the question and it's like the, there's a New York City real estate power couple named Harry and Leona Helmsley, who owned the Empire State Building, and Leona, was one of those quintessential late 80s, early 90s, page six villains like Donald Trump or George Steinbrenner, who were defined by being like incredibly wealthy,

cartoonishly obnoxious, and just like batch of crazy. And when Leona eventually died, apparently, we can't confirm this, but she supposedly disinherited her grandchildren because they didn't name any of their kids Harry. And instead she left her multi-million dollar state to her fluffy white dog named Trouble. Oh, for fuck sake.

a good name. Trouble's an incredible name for a little dog. I'm sure it was very well trained. This dog is richer than like 99%. That's. And then at one point, Leona bragged her a housekeeper that she said very Lucille Bluth.

Of course I don't pay taxes. Only little people pay taxes. And the narrator. What could a banana cost? Narrator. She was convicted of tax evasion. Classic. So anyway.

Point being, at one point they got really mad about something. and when one of them went to jail, the other one who was in charge the Empire State Building, turned off the lights at the Empire State Building like when they were convicted. Good God.

And like, I don't know if that's where this began. That's where the light, like, light thing. But I don't know if that's like the origin, but it did start as them just personally, like we're mad at the world when you just turn this building off.

The Empire State Building Twitter account was like trolling people who were upset about this, by the way. Yeah. It was amazing. I'm just disgusted by them. It was so great. I literally, they can just go to New York.

I'm a huge fan of the Empire State building all of a sudden. If we graph the amount of times I've said the words Empire State Building over the course of my life, there was like a peak when I was like eight and I was like, this is cool. And then like maybe once again when I was 13 I was in New York, maybe we should go to the Empire State Building. And it was a huge fight this week. Empire State Building got one wanted. Oh, cool.

Engagement. But at what cost? Like this is literally like free. It's tweeting. You guys keep saying like this happened on Twitter. The real life building changed colors in New York City. You can't prove that. You only saw it on Twitter.

Yeah. Okay. They doctored the footage. It's kind of like if they put at the top of the Rocky steps, they put this giant statue of Drago. And they were like, look, man, engagement. It's like, that's not like, it's about. Yeah. There's like, they do that.

Whatever. How many people can. Literally, my home series on Rocky this week. Was that not? They do that. Right. And then the Niners put a bunch of, uh, Niners fans put a bunch of Niners stuff on Purdy or on, on, on, on the Rocky statue. The Vikings did it.

The year they came to the NFC championship game. It doesn't go well for anybody who does. it. I don't know why I keep doing it. We're going to look at impressions, okay? How many people do you think physically saw the lights in the Empire State Building? On Twitter? Yeah, physically saw.

Like with their own eyeballs, saw the Empire State Building. Like a million. Okay, this tweet has 45 million views. Wow. Empire State... Who cares? That's what I'm saying. It's more important on Twitter than in real life. That's what I'm saying. I'm putting one hand in the air, and that's Empire State Building.

and then putting another hand above it, and that's at Empire State Building. Everyone works about hates them. BLDG at the end. It's not the full work. I am like enraged by this. This is the classic, we don't know what advertising,

how advertising works. Continue to not know how advertising works. Continue to just not get it. Why do they do it? Because we're fucking talking about it. Exactly. All right, whatever. Well, let's stop talking.

Okay, let's get out of here. Thank you, Solek. Thank you, D.K. Thank you to everyone for you, email does. Email us at Ringer Fantasy Football atemal.com about questions,

two jargons that a lie, Empire State Building, prospects. We got a lot not so much. Yeah. We're going to

the Combine. We're going to be in Phoenix next week at the Super Bowl. So we're going to be coming here from the Super Bowl next week. So that's going to be

really fun. We've got a lot of really good stuff coming up. So this is going to be great. And yeah, shout out. Thank you, Kai.

For production help. Thank you, Craig, who is with us in spirit. Earth. He's in the future. He's in the future. He knows

the results of the game. We'll be talking to him afterward. I accidentally texted him last night asking where he was and he was like, I'm in California. Leave me alone. Well, you had a tough day. We didn't even go to it. I had a really tough day. I didn't have my luggage for 24 hours. Yeah. If you email us at Ring and Fantasy Football, Gmail.com,

maybe I'll tell you. All right. Thank you, Lord. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, snow. Informa. Wait, do we know which hand Roshan Johnson broke? Because, like, I did shake his hand this morning. I can't, like. I'm assuming if he gave you the hand. he offered the hand.

I gotta tell you, I can't fathom having a broken bone and not knowing. Yeah. I'm so, like, I broke my hand, by the way,

in high school, and I was playing basketball. I like, the ball, like hit my finger at like a weird angle, and I was like, my hand hurt. And then I just kept playing.

And then someone, I like tried to like grab something. Like I was like, you know, I don't know, playing defense or tried to grab a rebound or something. And then it was like the most searing pain I've ever felt in my life.

So it hurts. I just, there's like a level of toughness. It's like, put it this way. I'm not in the Saltis Patoon. I'll put it that way. Right. I'm not either, but yeah. I can't find which hand it was.

Sorry. Can't confirm. I think honestly I probably can confirm it was not the right head. I agree. All right. Goodbye.