The Ringer NFL Show - Tom Brady’s Next Team, and the QB Draft Ripple Effect | The Ringer NFL Draft Show

Episode Date: January 26, 2023

Welcome back to another episode of The Ringer NFL Draft Show! This week, the guys debate where Tom Brady lands next season as they break down the quarterback situations around the NFL as they pertain to the upcoming draft (1:01). Then, they close with a couple of emails and America’s favorite segment, “Two Jargons, One Lie” (50:22). Check back in on this feed every Thursday for more of The Ringer NFL Draft Show. Take part in the Ringer FanDuel Playoff Contest! Email us! [e-mail] Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Ben Solak, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Craig Horlbeck and Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Okay, let's get to the show. Your NFL Draft Show, my name is Danny Hyfitz. I am joined by Danny Kelly, Ben Sulloch, and Craig Horleck. We're coming to you here on the Ringer Fantasy Football Show feed every Thursday between now and the NFL draft on April 27th. And again, that's the Ringer NFL draft show here on the Ring of Fantasy Football Show feed. And guys, this offseason is getting squirly. We've got Lamar Jackson, ghosted the Ravens after that playoff game.

Aaron Rogers is saying he could, like, win the MVP on another team. Tom Brady is yelling at Jim Gray. Kai, can we play Tom Brady? yelling at Jim Gray. Tom, you're leaving everybody guessing. You've said you'll take your time. Do you have any type of a timetable as to what you might want to do regarding your football career?

Jim, if I knew what I was going to fucking do, I'd have already done it. Okay? I'm taking a day at a time. I sense you're antagonized by the question. You're scratching. It's only the question that everybody wants to hear. You're scratchy. Scratchy.

Unnecessarily angry. If I knew where I was fucking going, Jim, I'd fucking tell you. I'm the Tom Brady Jim Gray podcast, one of the most incredible pods. I keep accidentally stumbling on it and I'm looking for something else. And they always are just like, with Larry Fitzgerald and Matt Damon, here's our thoughts on the Jaguars. Like, what? What is happening? Who wants the show?

Also, I thought Jim Gray's response was so funny because Brady said what he said. And then Gray was like, I sense you're intact. by the question. It's Tom's pod. I know. And then Tom completely walked it back, immediately knew he made a mistake and was like, I appreciate you asking the question. No, but then he said you're scratching.

You're scratching. Like, no shit, Tom. What else we're going to talk about? What else we're going to talk? I sense you're antagonized. Oh, I pissed you off. That's all you got to say, Chief. Keep it, keep it simple.

Also, I mean, not to say the obvious here, but Tom Brady got really famous from playing football. And they're like, hey, Tom, you're going to keep playing football. He's like, why are you asking me? that. I know. Come on. Ridiculous.

Anyway, since it seems to be in the heat of the moment, we're going to figure out where all these quarterbacks are playing and which teams need quarterbacks. Because, you know, obviously doing the draft show

and it's like, who's going to take a quarterback? And it's so hard to go through all this without actually figure out, all right, who's going to sign where? So that's what we're going to do today. We're going to go through all the teams and we're going to be like,

who needs a quarterback. And then we're going to figure out what they're going to do. And then we're going to back our way into figure out who's going to draft to. So with that said, we're just going to go through the draft order of the first round backward, and we're going to get,

and we're just going to go through every team that way. So we're going to do that, and we're going to figure out who's going to play where and what's going to happen. So let's just start with the teams that are still in the playoffs. And we can, you know, we don't have to linger on the teams that are obvious. So Bengals, Chiefs, they have quarterbacks. We don't have to spend much time on them. The 49ers, honestly, I kind of thought this team two months ago actually was probably the best possible spot for Tom Brady. Right. But I guess they're sticking with Brock Purdy at this point. I mean, is there any reason? I don't know, D.K., you can start us off here.

I feel like Port Aaron's probably sticking Brock Purdy. Well, I mean, also they have Trey Lance. So that's this whole other Pandora's box that we're going to have to open during the off season. What are they going to do with Trey Lance? They traded two first round picks and then used the third overall pick on this guy and he's barely played in the first two years.

So what do we do there? They're not going to be able to get what they spent for him, clearly. Like, no one's giving two to three first round picks for Trey Lance. So does that mean they just hold on to him? I don't know. I don't think Tom Brady's probably going to play in San Francisco because they've got Tray Lance and Brock Purdy now. What do you think?

I think there are three quarterbacks in the 49ers named Jimmy Groplo, Trey Lance, and Brock Purdy. Yeah, Jimmy G, too, by the way. Well, Garaplo is going to be a free agent. He's a free agent. He's gone. I think of the three, two will be on the 49ers next year. Yeah. I think one of those will be Brock.

I think the second one is undetermined because I think those, see if someone wants to trade for Tray Lance and if somebody does trade for Tray Lance and they get a good return back, then maybe they'll try to keep Jimmy on and I think no matter what they're going to keep Brock and I think camp is going to be like a 1A, 1B it's kind of a competition.

But maybe not really situation. In terms of my rooting interests in the NFL, number one is the Philadelphia Eagles, but two is chaos. I love mess. Like I'm just here for the garbage. Just give me to Gorge. And to me prime Gorge is

Brock Purdy winning the Super Bowl and then losing the job in camp to Tray Lance. That's what I want to happen so badly. I was going to say, if they win the Super Bowl, I mean, what has to happen in training camp for Brock not to start? I mean, Nick Fold won the Super Bowl and Carson Wentz was... That's different. But Carson Wentz was playing at an MVP level that season.

Trey Lance has played like six quarters, and five of them were awful. No, I don't disagree. I'm just saying it is not unprecedented for a player to win the Super Bowl and then not be the starting quarterback. shit, that's not the same thing at all. Trey Lance has 400 passes since like the five years. Like it's,

I think, but overall, well, here's the point. The 49ers had one of their guys in their front office hired to run the Tennessee Titans. And then Trey Lance posted, yeah,

Trey Lance posted a picture of him on his Instagram story with the fingers crossed emoji. So let me tell you something. Oh, I did not see this. Yeah, he's going to be a Tennessee Titans. It's the Jared Gough thing. No, no, that's just, I like that guy. And I hope he does well.

Bull shit. Instagram emoji. Interpretation. Yeah, what is not, yeah, that doesn't mean good luck. Good luck. Of all people, wait, you think of good luck? You think fingers crossed is like,

Ray Carth, rooting for you, Ray. It's like, no, it's like, hey, Ray, trade for me. That's what it means. I agree. This, yeah, this goes back to one of my main tenants of life, which is that if I were in any way, shape, or form a meaningful public figure, I would tweet, I would,

at January 1st, I would sketch, seven tweets of just an eye emoji or just a broken heart emoji or just a cross-fingered emoji. And I would schedule them for random times in the year and then I would forget about them. And then suddenly, on like March 12th, I would treat eye emojis and something would be going on in the football world and it would dominate the new cycle for 24 hours. The one emoji message is king. Didn't this all start with Blake Griffin? There was one NBA player, right, who tweeted an emoji and then everybody went nuts and then now

emojis are like the only way to tell people what you might be doing in the future. I remember Paul Pierce tweeting he didn't know how to tweet an emoji so he tweeted a picture of the rocket emoji and then that's the one that stuck in my head which was like perfect anyway, okay so Bengals and Chiefs don't need a quarterback. Niners is going to be Brock Purdy. They're not

in the market. I like that you're just not tossing in the Eagles. You were like Bengals good at QB, Chiefs good at QB, anyway, Niners. Well, those are three of the playoff teams. I'm now going to the Eagles. But you started off with the teams that were not going to make a change at quarterback next year and you didn't include the Eagles in that group. Well, no, it's because Jalen Hertz, no one's talking about this.

Jailen Hertz is not under contract after the season. So he's like, wait, am I wrong on that? I was going to say, I don't think he's a free agent, is he? They've moved the highlighted year to 2023 because we're in 2020, but it's still the league year of 2022. So if you look at the highlighted year and it's the last year, like he's a free agent, but no, it's 2023. So it throws you off a little bit. Okay. All right.

Well, either way, I'm an idiot. Eagles are keeping Jail Hertz. Doesn't matter. I will say, though. He's the 1,000th highest player in the NFL. I think that was really fun. Jaylor Hart's is less money than Cam Acres. I thought that was kind of interesting.

Oh, geez. Anyway, so he's getting a new contract. Anyway, it doesn't matter. Bills are the, so now we get to the actual teams with the draft order. The bills are 27th. They obviously don't need a quarterback. Cowboys are 26. I don't want to hear anything about that.

Like, they're not going to get another quarterback. The Giants are 25th. Daniel Jones is not heading free agency. Like, maybe they give him a contract extension. Maybe they do the franchise tag. It doesn't matter. Like, he's not going to become a free agent. The Giants are not in the market for a quarterback.

I do not believe that. That was, and you listened to their postseason presser, right? Like they basically told us that they love him, right? It's a love fest. It's like everyone wants him to be there. It's just a third and number. The Giants are not getting a new quarterback. Jaguars are 24th.

Obviously, Jaguars are not getting a new quarterback. Vikings are 23rd. They're stuck with Kirk for at least a year or two. Like they're not moving on from Kirk right now. Maybe a year. They might have to extend him, honestly. 22nd is the Baltimore Ravens. Oh, boy.

What is going on? I think it almost is underrated that Lamar Jackson goes to them for that playoff game. I kind of feel like this actually should have been a bigger story. Like we're not talking about this hardly at all, yeah. The starting quarterback didn't come. I remember when the Giants were in the Super Bowl, Jeremy Shockey was injured. He was in a luxury suite drinking beer and people were like, why is it on the sideline with his team? Lamar Jackson didn't go.

And so look, I do think it's emotional. They'll get over to contract. This is probably why agents would say you have an agent to not get emotional during this. but like, Dika, do you think that Lamar does end up leaving the Ravens or they'll just figure it out? I don't think he's going to leave. I think I would put odds on him not leaving. I think there's a chance that he leaves still, but I don't know. I mean, I still think they obviously can use the franchise tag, right?

And so that gives them a lot of leverage in that situation. I think that they're still going to want to have that, like, offense with him. It already sounds like they're talking to him about, you know, offensive coordinators for next year and working with him on that because they fired Greg Roman or whatever, Craig Roman left. They separated, whatever it is. And so to me, it sounds like they are laying out the scenario, the red carpet for him to come back.

They just want to make it easy for him. But he's not, I do think he's going to hold strong on this fully guaranteed contract. And therefore, maybe the franchise tag gets involved here. I think there's a good chance he leaves. I would make it closer to 50-50 than closer to one side. What do you think is the best landing spot for him? I actually did this on Extra Point Taken on the ringer NFL

Feed a few weeks ago In terms of places that I like That I think could reasonably need a quarterback Atlanta's number one He would be unbelievably perfect in Atlanta That would be fun With how well he throws over the middle of the field How well he throws off of play action

incorporating him in that running game Which is a lot of beef right now And not a lot of speed Oh my God Kyle Pitts in the Mark Andrews role Oh my God DK don't we're back We're back

We are back We're back baby And Arthur Smith is just a really good offensive coach. I also think Ben Johnson returning to Detroit makes Detroit a really attractive location. They go condensed sets. They have a backfill that's got diversity, assuming they keep Jamal Williams. They have such a good receiving cord line. It's excellent.

They're creative staffs. They're going to do different stuff with him. It would require Brad Holmes moving on from his firstborn son, Jared Gough. But I think you do it for Lamar. Those make sense. I love the Giants have been a great spot for him. But like I've said, I think the Giants are hard commitment to Daniel Jones. But if everyone's saying it's a good spot for him because he's such a special talent,

why would the Ravens give him up? And also, just to be fair, to John Harbaugh in his press conference, trying to throw water of this fire. 200%. They asked them about Lamar, like, do you want Lamar Jackson back? He said, 100%. Actually, 200%. There's no question about it.

Lamar Jackson's our quarterback. He's been our quarterback. Everything we've done in terms of building our offense and building our team, how we think in terms of people and putting people around him is based on this incredible young man, his talent, his ability, and his competitiveness. Wow. So I feel like they're going to. to just franchise tag him, even if this is a disaster that they're going to keep him for one more

a year, right? Lamar clearly doesn't want to sign this one year franchise tag, right? No, but he's, what's he going to? Is he just not going to show up? Wait, he's going to show up because you have to hold in now. You can't hold out because they drastically increase the penalties for just not showing up. So Lamar is going to do like kind of that which he did this season, which he's going to be around the facility. And like, you know, he was obviously rehabbing from injury and his very serious injury. And Lamar tweeted from his accounts that it was a very serious injury and all that. But Lamar can reasonably show up for training camp on the tag. And every time they ask him to go in and go, take some snaps, he'll go,

no. This feels like it's going to get ugly to me. I actually don't know if it will. Because on one hand, look, this is a different situation. This is like a one of one because there is no agent. It's Lamar, it's his mom. I don't know if it's a couple of family friends are involved. But like, again, Adam Schaefter, not sourced with Lamar Jackson's mother. Like we have like less insight into like what's going on with this negotiation that I think in a lot of other ones in the past. And negotiations got really hot at the end as emotions were really high with everybody in the playoffs. And it will cool down as it goes. We'll see.

But at the same time, we don't know. So I still think that the Ravens are going to not be prisoners of the moment and give up this guy. If you've been a Ravens training camp, the amount of kids wearing Lamar Jackson jerseys, I don't think they're going to just punt on this because it went sour. So we'll see. And they do have the right if they want to just make him have to be the bad guy. play. So we'll see. So the Ravens are picking 22nd. Odds are they probably have Lamar.

Chargers are 21st. Obviously they're set. They have Herbert. The Seahawks are 20th. That part doesn't really matter. The Seahawks also have the fifth pick from the Broncos. I would say it put it around like 80, 90%. They're going to keep Gino. I think Gino wants to stay in Seattle. That doesn't exclude them from taking a quarterback, though. You know, I think they still could

take a quarterback at number five. Gino Smith said said he'll take a discount to stay in Seattle. So let's say he signs a two or three-year deal or something and it's like not that expensive. Do you still, I'm just you're a Seahawks, Fentick. Do you want them to take a quarterback at five and let him develop on Gino? I wouldn't be upset if they did, but I don't want them to. I'd rather have them take, like, you know, Tyree Wilson or Jalen Carter if he's there or, you know,

obviously Will Anderson if he's there. And then have them, like, build a defense like this year because their defense was just so frustrating. Is that a Gino thing or is that you don't love the quarterback class thing? I think it's a little combination of both. I think if they took a quarterback, especially Stroud or, or, you know, young if he was there for whatever reason, I would still be excited about it. I would be slightly less enthused if it was Levis.

I wouldn't be really pissed if it was Levis, but I think that's just kind of where I am. I'm not like really, really excited about this quarterback class. And therefore, I'd rather just go with Gino and take a defender and go from there. You'd have to talk yourself into a quarterback scale. I don't know, if Trevor, well, Trevor Lawrence is like a 10. and for let's say Daniel Jones, who it took me four years to talk myself into him, where would taking C.J. Stout or Bryce Young

or Will Levis have you on? Like Bryce Young would take you 20 seconds? Would Will Levis take you like a month? Like how long until you have to talk yourself into those guys? Yeah, probably like a month for Levis. I think I would be excited if it was young, but I still would be a little, there would be trepidation there because he is just an outlier.

You know, he's like very small. Although it sounds like I heard today that his, agent or somebody is saying they're going to try and get him up to 210 pounds, which I don't know. It's just going to be eating like a lot of ice cream and stuff. I would be excited if it was young. I would be pretty excited if it was Stroud. And then I think I would need a little time to talk myself into Levis, but I eventually would do that. I would be way more excited, though, to be clear if it was like a defender.

And they just keep Gino, take a defender and just get better in your one. I'd like to say something about the Bryce Young, 210 pound nutritionist school. Yes, please do. If Bryce Young shows up to the NFL Combine, 2023, at 210 or higher, I will show up to the NFL Combine in 2024 at 210 or higher. Okay. This is my promise to you. Do we know how much does he weigh right now, Bryce? I would, I would wager 20 pounds less than 210 pounds.

Yeah. Putting on 20 pounds, it's going to show in like your, his face is going to be like all fat. You cannot gain muscle that quickly. He will literally have to get fat at the compound. It's not muscle. They're going to be shoving peanut butter and jelly sandwiches down this young man's goal at 2 a.m. And then they're going to waterboard him with three gallons of water, six seconds.

He's going to look up to the scale. We're going to poke Bryce Young in Indianapolis and he's going to jiggle. Like, it's like he's going to be 85% water. Who was that? Remember that player, you guys? We did one episode of the fantasy show where some guy talked about like what he was eating and it was like grits and peanut butter in a smoothie. Remember that?

Ben Burch. Offensive linemen out of. You know, some school somewhere, St. John's or something. Right. It was the senior bowl. And he would just make a smoothie to put on weight that was like eggs, Gatorade, peanut butter, and sadness. And he just have it every day.

And he put on like a ton of weight. There's another, uh, D.K. I always forget the name. What's the office of tackle? I don't know what to go to state. Cody's something. Mock. Cody Mock's another one of these guys,

but they just have put on a ton of weight. And they're all going to have weird stories of what they've eaten. Ben Barch looks just like a Ben Barch. I find athletes. rapid weight gain programs to be fascinating. Like I would, I would, I would dirty ball. But no, no, no, no. But there's an athlete rapid weight gain for,

whether it's fighters making a weight for a fight or like football players. This is like the opposite. This is, there's nothing functional about it. It's Bryce Young has to gain weight. Not for any athletic reason. He probably won't do anything competitive at the combine. He has to do it just to put a number next to his name on all these scouting reports. Am I wrong?

He literally just wants his scouting report that these GMs, Scouts look at to start with a two. It has to be 208. And that's it. And then it'll go back down to the weight and do the athletic shit at his pro day at the not 200 thing. Yeah. I mean, I would argue there's some functionality to it.

Like just the fact that being over 200 pounds or 210 pounds or whatever, it will help him, you know, like withstand hits in the league. There's been no quarterback at his size. In any sustainable way, he's doing it. Like every scout, everybody doing this knows. He doesn't play at this weight. He's doing it for the combine. And I think it's funny that everyone knows that.

And they're doing it. it anyway because they're like, that's how dumb you guys are. It has to say 209 or you won't take me. Him trying to make that wait for the combine specifically is moronic to me. Like, why not just say, hey, listen, I'll be at a certain way if you draft me by the time the season comes around, but I'm not going to be that in three weeks.

That's what's crazy to be about this. And the funniest thing is this, is like Bryce Young's legit quick. Like, you watch his own, he can like actually move. Like, it's not just like he's bouncing around by the thing. He's got some quickness to him. There's no chance he does a single drill to combine now. No. Because he's going to be

heavier than he's ever been in his entire life, and none of it is going to be useful weight. So he's not going to, like, run or test or, I mean, he'll throw. But, like, he's going to gain, like, a freshman 15 over the next three weeks. He's just going to eat, like, Panda Express and Coke. They are going to try to get the Earth closer to the sun, so that the force of gravity is stronger, such that this guy tips the scales to 210 pounds. Well, speaking of the force of the sun, the Detroit Lions are picking 18th. And Dan Campbell, with his 11 shots of coffee, probably has the fourth of the sun.

on this is basically the same conversation as Seattle because they're picking 18th but the Lions also have the sixth pick in the draft and so it's the same thing. Syricks are going to stick with Gina Smith. Lions could take a quarterback but like I feel like they'll just stick with Jared Goff and take a position player.

I agree. My current read on the Lions and you know always like every postseason presser is almost invariably a vote of confidence in the quarterback but Brad Holmes really, really, really loves Jared golf. He truly does. Look at anything that Jared Goff is,

He said about Jerk Goffson's he drafted him with the Rams of 2016. He said, I never viewed him as a bridge quarterback. He's proven himself as a starting quarterback. And I don't think the Lions anticipate needing to move off of golf to, like, elevate their team to another level. I think they think they need another corner and improvement in pass rush and better linebackers, then they'll be exactly where they want to be. Like, they don't kind of think a quarterback that way. So if like a Lamar becomes available, everybody circles the wagons and goes, okay, well, should we maybe do this? Like, that's kind of an exception.

I don't think that they'll put themselves in a spot where they're drafting a young quarterback unless one of these guys really blows them away. Always a chance, but I'd be surprised. I agree. Okay, so the Steelers are 17th. They're sticking with Kenny Pickett. I also, I skip by accident. I skip the Bucks or at 19. I don't think Tom Brady's coming back to the box. I think Brady, I kind of think Brady would actually retire before he went back. It's Bill always talks about how Michael Jordan retired after the Bulls in part because no one actually had the cap space, the foresight to think that Michael Jordan would take him on. Brady's not quite there, but I feel like he'd rather retire than go back to Tampa Bay.

So the bucks themselves, Blaine Gabbard's 33. They have Kyle Trask. I kind of feel like this side of a veteran like a Sam Darnold or a Jimmy G. It would be funny if Jimmy G went there to replace Brady again. Do you guys think the bucks are a good bet for like worst record in the league next year? Because Brady's going to be gone and they're probably just going to completely sell house and tank, right? They have no cap space. Well, there's already talked that they're going to like, yeah, trade guys like Chris Godwin or obviously Mike Evans could be on the chopping block.

You know, please. They've got a lot of guys that they don't, it doesn't really fit like their roster construction. So there is, there is a potential for that. Like they're just completely self-farm. What I would do for the Giants to get like Chris Godwin. My God,

please. The most important thing is to just watch what the bucks do at offensive coordinator. If they get, you know, a Shanahan tree guy, then they're probably going to go get a Shanahan quarterback. I go get Sam Donald. He can run that offense. They get an old head west coast.

Then they're going to get, you know, some rookie quarterback. and they're all going to hate them. They get a young quarterback developer. They're going to draft the rookie. You know what I'm saying? That's the tea leave right now is who they bring it in at OC and who do they end up hiring. Or if anyone wants to have jump on the, this year's next year's Gino Smith is Blaine Gabbert,

33-year-old crew of backup. I'm just saying, like, it's right there for you. Totally. All right. Washington is picking 16th. The only team that has like five things more important going on than picking a quarterback. It's kind of incredible. Oh, Haifitz, what's your read on the, I heard coming out of Washington, like,

they were telling prospective coaches that they need to be, have, like, a plan for Sam Howell. Like Sam Howell is going to be their guy, even though they didn't play him at all basically this year until the very last game. I did see that as well. I think I would describe, I think that that is probably true. I would describe Washington as a team being run as if they are exploring, selling themselves for $8 billion and that they don't give a shit about any of this.

And all of these nice players are expenses on a balance sheet that they're trying to flip. Like I kind of think that's it, honestly. And Ron Rivera is just there to manage it. But yeah, I know. I kind of do think Sam Howell, Heineke, went. Yeah, I kind of think Sam Hell is going to be their guy. I don't think they're in the market, put it that way.

They have other things going on. 15th is the Packers. Oh, my God. I feel, the Packers have to pick between Aaron Rogers and Jordan Love this season. I am convinced of this. We can get into the nuts and bolts contract stuff if you guys want,

but I feel like Rogers or Love has got to go because the Rogers coming back, it's not a one-year commitment. It's a two-year commitment. And if you commit to Rogers for two years, you might as well flip Jordan Love. And so my question to you guys is, would you rather flip Aaron Rogers,

which you're getting rid of your franchise icon, but he's 39, he's been talking about retirement for like three years and try to get a pick for him? Or do you keep Aaron Rogers, who again, was it back-to-back MVP, like one year removed from that, and just flip George Love,

who has not done anything, but at the same time, you're getting rid of a 24-year-old quarterback who, in theory, could be the future of your team, and now you've no succession plan. I'm curious which way you guys lean on that. what do you think the Packers do? I would lean closer to Rogers

because I think that while Rogers didn't... Trading Rogers or keeping Rogers. Keeping Rogers. Excuse me. Thank you. Keeping Rogers. Because, yeah, like, he wasn't super great this year, but the two seasons before that, he was pretty good.

That was, he won the MVP in those years. So we got to solve the wide receiver problem. And then if we solved that problem and it turns out Rogers is still poor, that's on us. But I got a lot of faith that he's still got some good years left and I'm just given the fact my proximity to him, how close I've been to him, you know, running the team and run an office with him and getting MVP seasons out of him. With that said, there is no team better suited to tricking themselves into the mystery box

could be anything. It could even be a boat fallacy than the Packers are because that's what they did with Aaron Rogers, right? Like you asked like, high fits, are you going to feel okay trading away a 24 year old who might be the future of the franchise? Like the number one team who would be worried about actually doing that would be the Packers because that's how they handled Rogers, right? They kept him on the bench for multiple years,

and then all of a sudden, boom, they had a guy who's been out three-time NFL MVP. And so I don't know where they're going to fall on that. I really, really, really don't. And I don't think they know where Rogers is going to fall in terms of like, is he going to be more open to different personnel moves now that he's kind of seen proof that Randall Cobb doesn't solve offense for him?

Or is he just going to stick with the same old, like, I want to be in charge of the offense thing? Is he going to take the office? offseason very seriously and take care of his body the way that a late 30s quarterback needs you to survive next year. So you're just going to kind of like... Are you saying he's not? I don't know what Rogers does in his offseason time and what substances he may use. Wait, hold on.

I actually, I feel like this is the most mis... I feel like the thing of the ayahuasca has been totally misrepresented. Like, that's the problem. What he said was he did the ayahuasca before 2019 or 2020. And then he won the two MVPs. The problem is Rogers stopped doing ayahuasca. That's the problem. Was it ayahuasca or was it an ayahuasca tea?

I don't know the difference. It's the same thing. It's like DMT. It's like an extraordinary psyched. Is it the same thing? But was he taking it as like a micro dose situation? Or was he taking like full-fledged ayahuasca? I think it was a macro dose situation.

Was it? Okay. He was going on a journey. His vision quest. Yeah. I kind of think the Packers trade Rogers. I really do think the Packers trade Rogers. But either way.

I think that it's Rogers or Love as the Packers quarterback this year. And I think honestly, if not Love might get shipped somewhere else. I would definitely be willing

to throw a flyer on Jordan Love in a trademark. I wouldn't want to like commit a ton of capital. But love behind a metal floor offense learning behind Rogers for three years. Even if like Roger wasn't helping him, still just like seeing the way

an elite quarterback prepares and practices. And then with what you've seen from him playing, you haven't seen that much. But like, you know, he very clearly has NFL tools. You know, like that's not a question. Yeah. I'd be very interested in, you know, snagging love to be on my bench,

instead of the Packers bench, if I were another team. If you're Green Bay, like, I kind of feel like Green Bay is going to trade Rogers because if you're Green Bay, the situation kind of worked out perfectly based on the original plan, right? Like, they traded up in the first round to get Jordan Love when it appeared that Aaron Rogers was declining, you know, and they didn't really know the future there. And then Rogers goes on to have two MVP years back to back. and then they have to trade Devante Adams because he wants out.

It seems like the Rogers relationship is a little bit strange, so maybe he wants out. And then they can get a bunch for him because he's still playing at a high level. It's like the perfect situation for the Packers. And then they have Jordan Love waiting in the wings where he's gotten all these reps and all this experience, like learning how to be a pro. It's honestly like the perfect scenario, I think, for the Packers to move on. I completely agree, D.K., and so the Patriots are picking 14th.

They're going to stick with Mack Jones. they just hired Bill O'Brien to be their office coordinator. They're going to stick with Mac Jones. Then the Jets are 13th in this draft. And they got to, if not replace Zach Wilson, like, Zach Wilson's going to be benched for a veteran and they'll see if they can salvage it. But the Jets are going to go get a veteran quarterback.

And I do think, like, you know, I know a lot of Jets fans are looking at Jimmy G or Derek Carr, but I think Rogers makes the most sense for the Jets because the thing that makes sense, that's important to know for the Packers part is without getting in all the contract stuff, it gets more expensive for the Packers to get rid of Rogers the longer he stays.

Like, if Rogers retires, right, like today, he will cost the Packers $40 million of dead money in their budget. If he stays two more seasons, it's almost double that. And that's the opposite of how every contract works. Every contract, the longer player stays, the less expensive is to get rid of them. Rogers, the longer he stays, the more expensive. It's like a, it's like a, they attach like a time bomb to their own thing. Anyway, I think I kind of do think Roger Gaget dealt, but if not, the Jeff's, I think they're getting a veteran.

So I think this is like a Jimmy G. Derek Carr. Ironically, Sam Darnold would be funny here too. No, no, there's no way they're doing. doing that. It would be funny, though. Derek Carr is the most Jets quarterback in the league right now. It's two Jets, though. Vibes, pure vibes. Like, Derek Carr on the Jets makes too much sense because he will underperform for, it's

all going to make sense. They're going to go 7 and 10 with Derek Carr and no one's going to know what to do. I accept. I think that's true. And also, you sign Jimmy Garoppolo. It's like, you might as well just start Mike White because Mike White will just be starting for them in October anyway because Jimmy's made of paper mache. Love White, Mike.

Drive by it, Jimmy. well, he should stop getting run over. The pads are 14, Chats are 13th. We're just doing the Dolphins here. The Dolphins got stripped of their first run pick for tampering with Tom Brady. And so I'm just going to put them here and ask you, would the dolphins cast two aside if they could get Tom Brady? Because Tom Brady's a free agent. He can sign wherever he wants.

Like if he could go back to Miami, would they just throw two overboard? I mean, yeah. I mean, what is even the situation with Toa's help heading into next season? That's the question that they're asking themselves. That's why I think they would go out and get a Brady. Because it's like there's uncertainty there. You know what I mean? From what's being reported out of Miami is that like,

two has been told he's no more likely to get a concussion as any other person, I guess. But I don't know like the science and all that. But like I think that there's got to be at least some concern about his long-term durability and his long-term ability to be the starter. And therefore, yes, I do think that they would be willing to move on. They'll not say that, obviously. And they're going to like back him publicly. But I think that they'd be open to it.

Yeah. When Chris, the GM of the Miami Dolphins said that, that concussions doesn't make you more likely. I was like, anecdotally, that's just what's counter to everything I'd heard since I was like eight years old. Doesn't seem like that's what's happened in practice. Even if it doesn't, like him getting a fourth, fifth, and sixth concussion in like the third, fourth year of his career,

regardless of if it makes you more likely to get another one, it's still terrible. Right. And it still makes it more likely to be shut down for an extended period of time. I mean, it's a very tough situation, obviously, but they have to be realistic that they could. be long stretches without two next year if he gets another concussion. And also it's worth noting that Tom Brady's kids go to school in Miami and someone actually

was a creep and was filming him at his kids. Are they even allowed to have Brady now because of this whole like collusion situation? It's like, are they? It's like they just got in trouble. Everyone involved got in trouble. There's only 31 picks in the first round of the draft this year because of this. Yeah. It's a good question, D.K., if you get caught and punished for tampering, can you then sign there?

Is that okay? I assume so. Yeah, can then like what you were trying to tamper for? Can that come to fruition still after you've been punished? I don't know. It's like if you go to jail for attempted robbery, are you allowed to like go back to the store and just buy the thing? Is that,

can you go back to a bank? If you, if you misbehave and your parents ground you, do they still love you? Yes. So Roger said, Stephen Ross, that was very bad.

Now go do whatever you want. Absolutely. He'll never take it go sign Tom Brady. I don't know, man. I don't know. Okay. So dolphins would probably toss two overboard for Tom Brady, but that's probably it. Like they wouldn't do it for Derek Carr or they wouldn't do it for anyone.

Like they're probably sticking with two. We're kind of running out of places for Tom Brady to go, which is kind of a theme. Honestly, the Jets, if they don't get Rogers, but even that, I feel like they hate each other too much. That would be weird. Craig, Tom Brady Jets check, vibes, vibes? That's like an, what is it, an immovable object meets an unstoppable force? I don't know what happens when Brady goes, a guy who can't lose goes to a team that can't win. I don't know.

Well, what would be incredible about it? The funniest outcome, I can't decide what's funnier is if the Jets just kicked a shit out of the Patriots with Brady or what if Brady goes there and then it's just like the worst ever. Like it would be so funny if Brady just starts beating the Jets again from within. Wait, did we already discuss the paths?

Because he's going back to the Pats, right? Oh, I skipped over them. No, I think they're keeping Mac Jones with Bill O'Brien. Brady's going to go back to the past. He's not going back to the Pats. That's why guess. Is that sourced or you just, it's your gut? No, that's looking at the.

remnants of the burned bridge and going, nobody's crossing this anytime soon. That's what that is. Yeah, yeah. I think they're like, they're like getting back together. I think the, I think Bill O'Brien's there. We got, we got, uh, the Belichick, they're going to mend things. Nah, I don't think Belichick would come crawling back to Brady and saying, please

help me win more games. He can't hang out. You can't do anything in his life without people that he's like used to hang out with. Like, this is the perfect thing. He needs to get Brady back. He gets the band back together. He doesn't like hang out with new people. It's happening. So like talking football, And DK's talking about like old people

You don't get it so lack Once you're at a certain age Like you can't meet me people He can't make new friends at this age He's just trying to relive the glory days Go back to his frat boy days It's incredible that is his problem This is Belichick and Brady

Getting back together and going on like a casino tour Maybe he'll announce it at the 80 for Brady premiere You know, who knows DK you really say tour like the like the Chicago people It rhymes with fishing lure Like we're going on tour You say tour I say a lot of things

I say dolphins like I'm a You say dolphins Dauphin Craig how do you say Tour? Tour Oh we all say it differently Weird

You all say Jaguar Which I always bothers me And I say Jaguar Because I'm a man of God I legitimately Don't know how to say it Like I've lost I've lost the thread

I have no idea how it's supposed to be said It's not Lizzie McGuire We need to just get rid of the word That's the bad word I agree The Jackson Start from scratch Cats.

Jags. It's just a jaguar. Real big cats. Real big spotted cats. So can we just say one time? What is it? Jaguar.

I understand. If I slow down and stare at the word and say it, it's Jaguar. But in the middle, if I'm just flying through a conversation, it's Jaguar. Show me the W, Craig.

I know. Right. There's no other word in the English language. People pronounce weirdly. Can you email us at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com if you know why people say Jaguar.

Like when people from Boston say oh yeah, it's up on the rough, and they rhyme, like, they say rough like it's rum. I get it. It's rough instead of roof. It's because of the accent. I don't know why people in the, like, people on the West Coast in particular say Jaguar. Like, where does that come from? Whatever.

The people that invented the language, they say it like Jaguar. I don't know. Anyway, all right, we're moving on. Texans are at 12. It doesn't really matter because they're also picking it too. So they're going to take a quarterback. So that's easy. Maybe, probably.

You're taking a quarterback. We stick him with Davis Mills. They're going to take quarterback. Mills? Titan. What'd you say? Craig's kidding. Craig just fucking slips that it.

Mills? Mills is going to have a resurgence in like five years when he comes in for some Indy court. And he's good for like eight games. And then I just, I can already hear it. It's going to be Bill and Sal in like five years. And I'm going to be like,

Mills is, what, why didn't they ever stick with it? Mills wasn't bad. Yeah. Remember when we said at the combine that we wish they had a tailor? I do wish they had the neck collar measurement, you know,

where they're like, oh yeah, the collars fits mostly everybody. And David's Mills walks in. They're like, this is why we measure. But his neck isn't thick, it's long. It's both.

It's kind of thick. Yeah, it's both. It's like, you can't be that long without having some growth. It'd be structurally unsound. His head is being falling off to the side, like a flower that's growing. Like a baby. Yeah. He's like a palm tree in the wind.

Growing to the sun. All right. 11th. Eleventh of the Titans. Ryan Tandall's done. Malik Willis is exciting. When did we decide that Tanna Hills just out in Tennessee? I feel like, well, they kind of decided that

when they kept the option to just completely sever themselves from him this offseason. I suppose he's not completely done with them. Hi Fitz, I feel like you've been tweeting that every possible quarterback is going to land in Tennessee. Tennessee. I feel like I've just been saying, I feel like it's Trey Lance because again, can't stress this stuff.

He tweeted, he Instagrammed, the fingers crossed with the new. Titans GM who was in the front office that drafted him. And it's like, that doesn't mean good luck. Good luck. Do you think, let me ask you a question. Do you think that Mike Rable wants Trey Lance or a veteran who like has been producing in the offense that.

Why couldn't Tom Brady? Why could it turn a rhetorical, but thank you for answering then. Brady to Tennessee, I don't mind at all. I honestly think Brady to Tennessee makes a lot of sense. That offense, it's not dissimilar. Actually, you shouldn't say that offense. They fired off its coordinator Todd Downing. Again, they might be enduring an offensive change.

and they don't really have a ton of offensive resources they're committed to. Like, Derek Henry has move off a bowl, so they can make an offensive transition in one season if they wanted to. Figuring out what the Titans are going to do at quarterback is extremely challenging because the team extended the head coach, extended the general manager, and then the general manager immediately went and kind of made like a, we might soft reset this roster sort of a move, right? He traded away AJ Brown.

Taylor LeWan's contract expires at the end of the 2023 season. Ryan Tannhill's contract expires the end of the 2023 season. So does Derek Henry's, right? They didn't extend Jeffrey Simmons, even though they were eligible to. They didn't extend David Long,

even though they were eligible to. But John Robinson very clearly was like, I want to see another year and another season before we really decide whether or not we want to commit to the mid-30s of Tannehill into this version of our team or if we want flexibility. And presumably, Vrabel and ownership were like kind of on board with that.

But then John Robinson got fired in the middle of the season. and now Rebels got much more influence in the front office than he previously did. And whenever a head coach has influence, I expect aggressive moves, trading away draft capital, and moving on from young players so as to acquire older and more veteran players. That's typically how head coaches want to build a roster. Accordingly, I don't think the Titans have to move off of Tannahill. He's got a $36.6 million cap at 18.8 of which would be dead caps.

They'd save about $18 million by moving off of them. I think they'll look into it, and if they feel like they can get a better veteran in the building, Brady Rogers, they'll do so. If not, I think they'll ride with Tannhill for another year. But I do anticipate that they're going to aggressively look into the veteran market. Yeah. All right. 10th pick here is the Eagles.

We already talked about that there, Jillian Hertz. Panthers are picking ninth. This is just sad at this. Who knows? This to me, going through this exercise, I'm looking at all these teams and they have options here and there. Panthers don't even have another quarterback on our contract really. I guess they can bring back PJ Walker. But, like.

Matt Corral, right? that's true that's true oh my god I mean Matt Corral who they traded up the draft in the third round and then didn't even give him

the third string job and then he got hurt in August you're correct he didn't really get reps early on I think that that was the plan all along though was to basically like we're not going to have this guy

come in and start right away like we just don't want to but the point being is the third rounder for an old coaching staff that has been fired it's like this to me is the team that has to trade up I think that's fair

I mean that's fair I just he is still there that's interesting but he's probably not going to be a starter the Falcons are at 8 I feel like they have Desmond Ritter. Solex, you know, if he was old enough to have a son, Solek, you know, would probably, would be Desmond Ritter.

He's one of my youngest and finished sons. Desmond Ritter actually has kids. So I guess that would make so like a grandfather. But yeah, I feel like the Falcons also could just get a veteran. Like, you know, if Lamar's out there, sure. But like, I mean, Tannahill, if he gets cut, Derek Carr, Darnold, I don't know. But I, I'm, I'm, they're in the market, but they're more flexible.

And then, but it's this trio. It's the Panthers at nine, Falcons, eight. And then the Raiders are at 7. And it's kind of like the dominoes of who does what here. I feel like the Raiders, I can't tell if players actually want to go to the Raiders or if everyone just lists them as a competitor in the teams versus the places they really want to go. Like, is Tom Brady really going to go to the Raiders and sign there? I could see it.

Right. I think the big part of the calculus that often gets overlooked is just like tax. I don't, I'm not going to pretend to understand how tax works. I'm in my like fourth year of paying my tax. I'm 0 for 3 I'm being correct. Okay, so let's start there. I feel like this not in Tom Brady's top five is like the state tax. I mean, how much did he lose in crypto though?

He's got to make some money back. Exactly. The Brady brand is not necessarily pulling in the figures he was presentially. Alimony. You know? That too, yeah. That part of it. And I don't think like Josh McDaniels and Devante Adams is not a bad sell.

McDaniels is a good offensive coach, even though he's kind of grading and annoying. He's good offensive coach. And Devante's sick. I think they're going to move off Darren Waller this year, but they have the star receiver. So I don't know. I don't mind the Raiders as a legitimate destination

for a lot of quarterbacks. It's also the business thing because, well, Dana White said, like a year or two ago that Dana White said they had a deal to send Tom Brady in Vegas before he was going to go

to the Buccaneers. He was going to go to Vegas and then John Gruden killed the deal. I think this makes the most sense for Brady, doesn't it? The only thing against it, the only reason why this doesn't work

is because we all just assume Brady needs to stay on the East Coast because of his kids. I don't think that is enough to, to preclude him from going to Vegas. Craig said kids? Come on.

It's eight months. If Brady had his pick, though, you would obviously pick the 49ers of the Raiders. Because one, he's from San Francisco, or from outside San Francisco, and also that team's the best team you could join. And I know they're like, oh, we've Purdy now,

but like, if Brady wanted to come and you're the Niners, like, am I crazy? How many 49ers would pick Brady over Purdy at this point? God. I kind of still think all of them. I hope so. Call me crazy.

You should be in the group text I'm in because all the Niners friends of mine think Brock Purdy is a second coming. I'm telling you. Yeah. I, dude, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. I also, I also feel that way. I just like, talk about muting a group chat. I don't even look at that thing during Niners. If you go back one year on this podcast, we were talking about we'll never doubt Tom Brady ever again because like he was this close to beating the Rams in the division around and like he's uncillable.

And now a year later, the bucks, everyone gets hurt. We're like, oh, Brady doesn't want to take hits. Yeah, because he's smart. He knows there's a, he's waiting for next year. But high fits, Brock Purdy can hit open slants most of the time. I'm like, do we think that the Raiders do end up getting a vet, though? Because they've already said goodbye to Derek Carr. Well, who are the vets they can get other than Tom Brady?

They're not going to get Tannahill. To me, it's like either they trade up and go young or they get Tom Brady. And that's their two baskets. If they don't sign Brady, let's just say, like, if Brady just disappears into the ether, I, it's weird. I mean, do they stick with Jared Stitt? them? No. Probably not. But you can't sit there at seven and kind of risk going, and that's kind of my thing with them is they're not really, they have Devante Adams.

Like the Panthers can suck for a little. It's kind of like a little more understandable. They'll have a new coach. I feel like right, there's a little more desperation for McDaniels. To do something, I don't know. Brady's going to go to Vegas. The Super Bowl's in Vegas next year. Brady is going to sign a deal with MGM sports book, do all the betting ads. He's going to bring everybody to Vegas. It's going to be its massive brown swell. It makes total sense. I do. I think you're right. And like it's important. Like the way, not to pretend I understand how Tom Brady thinks, but like obviously with Miami,

he was putting in like an ownership stake and, you know, trying to step one foot into your business interest post career, one foot still in your career. And I do actually think you're right, Craig, that that is a large part of it. And then you can just kind of jump directly to the next because the Lions are at six, CERICs are at five,

but we just talked about them like they're probably not picking quarterbacks. Or if they do, well, they're probably open to get a leapfrog. The Colts are at four. Those are the other vibeest Derek Carland. spot, Colts. The Colts freaking need a quarterback. But I feel like they have to draft one. I would be slack-jawed stunned if they get a veteran quarterback.

The only way Chris Ballard kept his job was by telling Jim Ursay that he would die before he didn't draft a quarterback in the end of April. I believe that fully. They're going to be the ones that trade up to number one, probably, right, Ben? I think it's possible. It kind of depends on, you know, who do they like, who does everybody else like? today they were given by Mel Will Levis at pick five.

Mel Kuiper. No, that was the Seahawks, I thought. Was that the Seahawks? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not too concerned with Mel Kuyper's mocks. Right, Indy. Indy they gave Bryce Young at four.

I'd be very surprised if Indy drafts Bryce Young. Yeah. Indy doesn't really like Smalls that much. Indy likes Bigs and Bryce Young is a small and Will Levis is a big. But regardless. Well, what if he's 210? Change the, change the map.

What if he's fat? Yeah. What if he's, what if he's, he's hardened up? Anyway, yeah. So it's, I would be,

like I said, I'd be very surprised of the Colstone draft quarterback at five. And yeah, or at four, excuse me. And I do think

there are a legitimate chance to trade up to one. And I think that we can look at the whole landscape now because the Colts are four, Cardinals are three and they can just take

Jalen Carter, Will Anderson, whatever great defender they want. And then the Texans are two and they can sit pat and take a quarterback. And then the Bears,

basically have this question. Do you just sit here and take a player, that's probably dumb. Do you take a quarterback and trade Justin Fields? I also, or do you keep Justin Fields and trade back? And then really, you're probably getting called from the Colts at four. The Raiders, if they get Tom Brady, no, but the Raiders, if they don't get a quarterback at seven, Falcons at eight, Panthers at nine.

And I'm curious what you guys think. One, let's just start with, would you flip fields to one of those teams or would you keep the pick? Flip fields to keep the pick, or would you take a quarter? Sorry, I can't speak English. Would you want Fields or do you want to draft a quarterback? I would keep Fields. Yeah, I would too. So if we're doing that and you're getting calls from the Panthers at 9, I feel,

who do you think is most likely to trade up to number one? Because I'm looking at this. I feel like if the Raiders don't get a quarterback, if the Raiders come into this without Tom Brady, there is the, as Craig was alluding to, they have a Super Bowl at the end of the year. And I know that that's not supposed to what they're thinking about, but teams think about things this way.

Josh McAllers would be in year two with Jared Stidham, not like a real solution versus the Panthers, their owners, David Teper, is desperate for a quarterback. I feel like you have a lot of desperate teams in this top 10. Honestly, a lot of GMs who are going to be like TikTok on the clock about to get fired,

like as you said with Chris Ballad and Indy. I feel like... Was that a Kesha reference real subtle there? Yes, it actually was. Okay, good. I just wanted to let you know I caught that. Continue. Solek brushes his teeth every morning

with a bottle of Jack. Is that right, Ben? Before I leave, brush my teeth with a bottle of jail. When I leave for the night. I'm remembering my days as a camp, counselor and having to pretend that I enjoyed all these songs in the mid-20thens. Yes. I think the Panthers trade up to one.

I think the Panthers give up everything. Well, it's interesting, right? The Panthers are currently going for a veteran head coach, right? That's the word on the street. They've had conversations with Frank Reich and about what his staff would look like. They've talked to Steve Wilkes, Kellyn Moore's back again, which Kellyn Moore's not really experienced, but whatever. The inside reporting is they want an experienced coach, which to me is not very splen. And I would be surprised if Dave Tepper goes three months without making a splash.

That does not seem to be the owner Dave Tepper's way. So if they go veteran head coach, I could see one of the things that they care about, especially if it's like Frank Reich, one of the things they care about be, all right, you've been around for a long time. What young quarterbacks have you developed? Do you know how to develop the young quarterback? So if they do hire Frank Reich, they're going to bump up in my rankings of might go get the guy aggressively.

I think they're a shot. Think Indies a shot for sure. I don't think Atlanta should be ruled out. for as much as as, you know, there's, I think, positive feelings there with Ritter. And I think they'll look at the veteran market. I don't think they'd be ruled out of, like, falling in love with Will Levis,

who to me, like, Will Levis is very similar to Ryan Tannahill. So I could see Arthur Smith being like, I've done it with that exact guy, and now I can go get him. You know what I'm saying? There's several teams that are just in the top of 10 that I think are trade-up candidates. I think the one question that you have to answer also

is how far are the bears willing to trade back? Because I think there's a school of thought right now that they would not be willing to trade back. trade back to number nine because then you miss out on the elite elite talent, the blue chip guys at the front of the draft. And so I think obviously their top preference might be to just trade back to number four. That way they still have a chance to get either Will Anderson or Carter. And so I think that is the other question you have to ask is like, would the bears be willing to fall back that much? Like if the offer is strong enough, sure, because they have a lot of, you know,

holes that they need to fill over the next couple of years on their roster. They're just like, you know, the whole roster is bear. at this point. So to speak. Yeah. Yeah. But if on the Bears, I think this is kind of easy. It's you just sit on what you just said for three months.

Well, we can't trade past four because there's too many good players. And just wait for the Panthers. Just keep upping the offer. The Raiders are at seven or the Falcons or wherever. And just wait for them to get desperate and desperate. And then, you know, there's only three however many quarterbacks in this draft you want and just let them sit with the idea that it's going to expire. And they won't be able to get one until they get desperate.

So we'll see. The Bears are in a good position. Yeah. I would say off my read of Ryan Poles and what he cares about, namely trading Rochwan Smith away for his second round pick and then using a better second round pick to get Chase Claypool, that he's pretty solidly analytics filled. And accordingly, I think I outside might have qualms about the Bears trading out of four and missing a Jaylon Carter, Will Anderson. I don't think necessarily Ryan Poles shares my qualms. So we'll see. I agree.

So you said early this week that you have more money and Will Levis to go first overall than like any of you. bet you had last year. At this time, I ended up with way more money on Trayvon Walker to go first overall because I actually had that told to me explicitly. But Reserville right now is what we got. All right, well, Carolina Panther

will love us, coach TV. Oh, my God, that would be amazing. It makes sense. There we go. We solved the quarterback market. Two jargons and a lie, America's favorite segment. Yeah.

Actually, I lied. First, we got a couple of emails. Emails over your fantasy football at gmail. com. We mentioned on Sunday the Whopper song. Sing it. Sing it. Everyone already knows.

Everybody knows. Wopper, wopper, wopper, what is more resonant in your mind? Is it the ad BKK? Or is it the wopper, wapper, wapper, wapper, wapper. Craig, the first one. The first one for me, Craig. I was going to say the exact same thing.

I'm constantly walking around my house saying, At BK. Having your way. Like, that to me is more catchy. It's my least favorite jingle, perhaps, of all time. It's the most effective jingle of all time. We got an email from Chris who said, When a song stuck in your head, it's called an earworm.

Involuntary musical imagery is the technical term. An effective way to get the song out of your head is to listen that song in a entirety. Your brain's trying to close a loop because these fucking jingles stay in our heads because there's no clear beginning or end of the song. And our brains typically don't like that type of shit. Wow. There's also a Spongew episode about it.

And then, more important, the email from Eric. My wife and I had our first child in August of last year. And ever since the Whopper commercial came out, I've been singing it to my daughter with the goal of her first word being Whopper. More specifically, Whopper, wopper, wop. My first words were like a rock

from the old Chevy commercial, so I think this would be a great way to continue a family tradition. My wife, on the other hand, wants her first words to be something dumb like mama or dada and gets mad at me when I start singing the wopper song to her.

Curious what you think, D.K., as a father. I mean, why not? It doesn't make a difference. Are you okay with gamifying your child's first word? Yes. 100%.

Yeah. I'm all for it. All right. Turn your kid into content. Calvin's first word was yeah. Like, who gives the shit, you know?

That's weird because I feel like now he just says no all the time. He doesn't say yeah anymore. Like he literally hasn't said yeah in like two years. He says, he just says other stuff. He says, sure,

of course. He's really into of course right now. Of course. Positive affirmation. He's a happy guy. Hey, Kevin, do you want a cookie? Of course.

It's actually really cute. You start offering a vegetables. Good call. He'll be like, no. All right, two jargons that a lie. So like, you might not be allowed to do this because you might know it. Last, we had a draft show we did recently where we did fake banned substances from the NFL. Yeah.

Two banned substance that a lie. And so Ryan sent in it's two things that are like drugs. And then the third is a new generation Pokemon. God. Let's see if we know that. But select actually does Pokemon. So, well, don't shout out. the answer because you literally do Pokemon, so don't

ruin it. But the three are Dartrix, Flector, and Cinemat. And two of those are drugs and ones a Pokemon. Wow, those are so good. Dar-tricks, Flector and Cinemat. Cinemat's a drug. Cinema's a drug. I think Flextor

is a drug. I think Darkricks is the Pokemon. Dartrix, Flector, and what's the other one? Cinemat. As I said that, I could picture like two couples in bathtubs in a field and I'm like, this is some stuff that's been focused group by a drug company. How do you spell the last one?

S-I-N-E-M-E-T. Oh, S. I was envisioning it with a C. Yeah. That's definitely not a Pokemon. Also, Ben just asked that if that was a Pokemon. Yeah, but what was the trick? Damn it. Ben just did the wink where he doesn't move any other part of his face. That's skill right there.

I'm a good winker. How do you do that shit? There's a lot of drugs that end in the ore, like Lipitor, Flector. I'm going with this. The other one is the Pokemon, the first one. Same here. Dartrick sounds like a Pokemon. Yeah.

All right. And the answer is, actually, wait, Salaik, just tell us. Well done. You guys are all correct. Dardtrix is good. Nice. Second stage grass-flying evolution, as everybody knows. Sure.

From Sun and Moon. Ben, right now, top three Pokemon all time. Oh, including legendary. Sure. Of course. Yeah, of course. Probably like one, Blassoys, two. I swear admit, I'd.

don't even know what legendary is. Swamper. It's the best ones, Daniel. This is like, you guys are speaking Greek. I have no idea what you're talking about. Like, what's,

is Pikachu, like, what's the D? I played Pokemon in the OG days when I, it was like, you just had like Charzard, Charmander,

blast toys, like all those. Yeah, that's Gen 1. We're in Gen 9 now. So, you know, or Gen 8, excuse me,

I think you pick it up. Yeah, no, I think it's, right, it's blast toys, Swampur. And then third is probably like something derpy and dumb,

like Tropius or Ditto or something that is no reason to exist, but it makes me laugh. This is like one of those bad lip reading things where you guys just say a bunch of like jimmerish and I have no idea what you're talking about. Kai said Lux Ray is the goat, which is just such a modern take, so just a point of the youth these days. Why don't you do, Ben, you should do two

Truths One Live Pokemon next week. Oh, well, you write up like a whole fake background for the Pokemon. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And give them my names and Dexon just no problem. D.K. has never had less to say in a conversation. No clue.

Ever done. I've never felt older. You know who I used to think was sick? It was those giant birds. Zaptose. It was Zaptose and the ice one. Firstly, it's Zapdos. It's not toast.

Zapdos. Articuna. Is that what it? Articuno. Articuno. I'm doing all right. That's it. That's all we got.

Thank you, D.K., thank you, Stolik. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Kai for production help. Thank you, Lorne. Lord. You can please say thank you, Kesha. Thank you, Kesha. Kesha was such a huge part of my college years.

I remember in the dorms, Keshe's album came out, and it was like, just all you heard was Keshe's for like three months. Yeah, she still makes music. That's cool. Die Young, that was a huge one. Oh, yeah, that was a big one. It was a good song. How long ago was that, though?

2012-ish, 2013. Yeah. She starred and executive produced the show, Conjuring Kesha, which premiered on July 8th, 22 on Discovery Plus. In the show, Keshah and her celebrity friends explore paranormal hotspots.

Oh my God. I would watch that 100%. Wow. Look up Keshah and ghosts. There's a lot of stuff there. Okay, can you give me a little more information on that? Like, she's seen ghosts. She's a medium.

She is a ghost. There's something about her having sex with a ghost. What? Okay. Oh my God. Did Keshah sleep with a ghost? That's the first thing. She's a podcast called

Kesha and the creepies. which explores supernatural subjects and alternative lifestyles with pop culture guests and supernatural experts such as Alice Cooper, Demi Lovato, Tyler Henry, Ben Folds, which is just that's all pop culture. None of those guys are supernatural experts, right? That's 0 for four. Yes, yes, I would think so.

I'm quoting Kesha from her appearance on Conan O'Brien. She went to quote, the bone zone with a ghost. There it is. That's quote. The bone zone. All right, shout out ghosts. Shout out to all the people listening to this right now, yelling things at us,

which is the closest you'll ever feel to being a ghost is hearing podcast and they don't hear you. So shout out the movie ghost. Really good movie. All right, goodbye, everyone.