The Ringer NFL Show - Top 2025 NFL Draft Player Comps. Plus, Heifetz Hates Girl Scouts.

Episode Date: January 30, 2025

The guys highlight some of the most interesting prospects on DK’s top-32 big board, their favorite pro comps, traits, upsides vs. downsides, and much more from The Ringer’s NFL Draft Guide (2:10). Later, emails (63:12)! Check out our 2025 Ringer NFL Draft Guide here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens Producers: Kai Grady and Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Go check it out on NFLdraft.orgorg.com. And we're just going to go through. DK., you're the king of comps. And I want to go through my favorite comps that either caught my eye or just like, what are you talking about with these players? And frankly, the most interesting players on your big board. So we're just going to go through that. And then we have some emails and stuff.

But we're going to be in New Orleans for the Super Bowl next week. And again, we cover the whole offseason too. So if you've been listening to us, we cover the whole off season. You've probably heard me say that by now. Repetition. It matters. DK. I want to start with your number one player on your big board in 2025.

Travis Hunter, wide receiver and or cornerback from Colorado. Your comp for him is Dionne Sanders. Yeah, there's not a lot of players that have played both sides of the ball to comp Travis Hunter to. And one of them is his coached. So I know this was a little bit of kind of an obvious choice. He's coached by Dion Sanders. Dion Sanders is approximately the same size as him.

I'd say that's probably like about the reasoning for me comping him to that. Like in terms of receiving, I've said he reminds me a little bit of Justin Jefferson the way he moves. He's just a bendy. I've seen Garrett Wilson comps turned out there too. Just a really bendy. athlete, great body control, all that stuff, tax the football in the air.

And I actually saw this from Daniel Jeremiah that he thinks that Travis Hunter should play receiver full time and then Moonlight as a corner, which is, I don't think the consensus view for most of the people that seem. Because you think he's a better corner than receiver, correct? I don't strongly believe that, but I think so. Yeah, I think the question is,

where is he more valuable to a team? What do you guys even think? What do you think is the more valuable position? What's harder to find? I feel like it's harder to find a really, good corner. Like a shutdown corner is harder to find. Value is an interesting question because everyone says cornerbacks are harder to find and yet receivers make 50% more. Like the top cornerbacks are making about 21 million and receivers

are approaching 30. So it's kind of like. But it's despair. It's kind of like that. I mean, the NFL is not like a very liquid market. So you could argue both ways. But I, you know, the thing that's funny to me of a Travis Hunter too is like, Craig, if I had you just, you're never watched Colorado ever. And I had you watch a Colorado game. And I said, one of these kids is Dion Sanders' son. You'd be like, I bet my life it's Travis. Right. Yeah, right.

It's not. But in many ways, frankly, Travis Hunter has the athleticism that, like, Sheter didn't get from Dion. And you're, I mean, just to, just a recap, because I think it's easy to kind of gloss over. Travis Hunter won the Bolitnikov Award for the best receiver in college football this year. Also won the Bednarc Award for the best defender in college football this year. That's kind of wild. That's kind of crazy. So yeah, I think that there's two questions.

It's like, is he a better prospect as a receiver and cornerback? And then the question as we get closer to the draft is like, okay, but like, what's the plan for this guy? Like if you're, what is real easier to learn? Because if it's like 5149 receiver cornerback, he's better. But it's like 70% going to be easier to be a cornerback moonlight against a receiver versus, you know what I mean? It's going to be like the path to like actually teach him that is going to come into it. And I think that's going to be a thing.

But I kind of do want to linger on, I feel like we almost haven't talked about. how good Travis Hunter is. Because, DK, tell me if I am over my skis here. But when I watch Travis Hunter, I feel like I am watching like of a smaller, but significantly faster DeAndre Hopkins was playing both sides of the ball.

Why do you say that? Is it because of like the body control and the just attacking the football in the air, coming down with passes that you probably shouldn't come down with that kind of stuff? Yeah, because I just feel like because he plays both sides of the ball. And also just to me, he averaged 100 to 13 snaps again. game. I don't, I think Kadiris, Tony hasn't played

113 to 13 snaps in like the last like two years. That was unnecessary, but I agree. Yeah, fair. But like, he's playing every snap. Like, he probably has played the, the data doesn't go back. He's probably played the most snaps the season of any player in the history of college football. So the cardio is crazy. But the, but I, but I think it's like a weird multiplying effect. You know, we talk about Seekwan, a great running back with a great offensive line makes him better. Playing receiver makes him better a cornerback and

vice versa. So a quarterback, it's like, you know, he's not like the greatest this route runner as receiver, but as a cornerback, it's like, oh my God, he does route routes better than the receivers sometimes. He does recognize the pass route combinations quicker. Like the football IQ is crazy. And the other side of the ball, as a receiver, I don't want to be dramatic, but I'm like, you could argue he might end up with the best separation skills of all time because he's a cornerback.

The whole thing is handfighting. He knows exactly what the cornerbacks trying to do, how to get away with it. Like, he is like the football IQ and just the experience, the 10,000 hours of being on both sides of the ball. I feel like his development has accelerated until, I don't know, maybe I'm, I'm, I'm blown away by him. To add on to it, it's like, isn't the joke that corners are just receivers that can't catch? He's going to have awesome hands as a corner. It's like anytime he's going to get his hands on a ball, most likely, is he already, the second he gets drafted, will he be, will he have the best hands of any corner in the NFL?

I think he can make that argument, yeah. I think it's not even close. I think, that's why I think the Stion's Santer's comp, I think some people would say, oh, he says coach. No, he is going to have the best ball. skills, a cornerback has had since probably Dan Sanders. He's an above, he would be an above average hands guy as a receiver in the NFL. The fact that he plays receiver and I think the fact that he can recognize and anticipate route combinations, he sees, it's like I just kind of think of, you know, Neo when he sees

the matrix and he starts to be able to read the matrix instead of looking like a bunch of numbers, he can read it. That's like the way I kind of picture it is how it's like for Travis Hunter where he's, he sees the formations. He sees the depth of the, sorry, the splits of the receivers. He sees how they're lining up. He sees what they do as the ball is snapped. And it's like he has, he just has like a little bit quicker read and react, anticipate speed than most corners because he's, he's on that side of the field. He's in those offensive meetings. He knows the playbook from the offensive side of the ball. It's just, you know, he has that advantage where he can, you know,

jump on the football a little bit quicker because he just, he knows it that much better. And so, I think the other thing to point out here, and Craig, you've mentioned this several times, but he's like one of the best athletes I've ever seen. He's just a, he's an incredible,

incredible athlete. And that's another reason, like the Dion Sanders thing works because Dionne was one of the best athletes in, you know, history. And I think,

you know, Travis Hunter, he's a little skinnier, I think, maybe, but he is just bendy, explosive, twitchy,

bouncy, like all the words you can use. He's just, like, gravity doesn't really apply to him in the same way that it does for other human beings. it feels like.

Yeah, I implore anyone if you want to, if you want to see how athletic Travis Hunter is, just Google Travis Hunter dunk and him going through the legs and dunking. Literally like there are 20 starting point guards in the NBA that cannot do that. Yeah, it's true. And he's only, what is he, six foot 180? I mean, he's insane. I mean, he could probably like win the NBA dunk contest

considering how small guys get an advantage. But like, I think. They should put him in there, honestly. It's ridiculous that's Mac McClung every year. I know. It's literally is not in the NBA. I know. We get it.

They have to pull them up for the GLEC just to get them in the game. It's so insane. Emails at Ringinfancy Football, gmail.com for your thoughts and fixes the dunk contest. I do want to say, the last thing of Travis Hunter, my favorite thing, we'll fix it. We're going to fix the NBA in the show. My favorite thing about Travis Hunter was he played the Baylor. And the athleticism is obvious with Travis Hunter. I think the impact you could have, and like my fantasy of like, I saw it Shohio

Tani like five years ago. Everyone said you can't be a pitcher and a hitter. And I'm like, I just feel like a lot of things. people said would never happen have happened. And I watched that Baylor game. They said we couldn't change our show's name halfway through the year. They said that. We're doing both.

This show is kind of the Travis Hunter. Like Travis Hunter, it might be detrimental to the overall skill set. We'll change the name. We don't care. We'll play both sides. We're playing 113 snaps a year this show. When Baylor was playing Colorado, they were like near the goal line. And Travis Hunter basically was basically defending the running back.

And he was like right at the one yard line. And he realized like he was not going to stop the running back from like making it the extra yard. So he had heels on the goal line. And instead of going for the tackle, he just like Superman punch went right for the ball, knocked it out, knocked the ball out, caused a fumble. And I'm like, that's such a high IQ play. And then later in the game, they did a Hail Mary. Travis Honor was so much respect from the defense.

On the Hill Mary, he took three defenders, got a one-on-one on the other side of the ball, and they hit the one-on-one. And I'm like, that's some high school stuff to do a goal-line knockout punch. And I'm like, I don't know. So, D-K, do you, like... He's a football. He's just a ball player. Let me ask you a question, D. He's a ball player.

Football player. He's a ball player. He's a ball player. Let me ask you a question, Daniel. Three years from now, Travis Hunter's irrelevant in the NFL and a borderline starter. Why? Injuries? No, okay.

We're not doing that. Like, is there anything about him that you're like, oh, I actually could see it not working out? Or do you feel as confident about him as you did these can't miss prospects like a Jamar Chase or whoever? Or a Sequin Barkler? Are you like, this guy will be good no matter what? Or you're like, eh, there's actually signs that nobody wants to admit that I'm worried about. I don't think there is anything like that. I would say, and this is maybe going against what I've been saying,

I feel comfortable that he has a floor as a very good receiver at the very least. I don't, I think, I think evaluating corner is a very, very hard thing to do. It's not as hard as quarterback, but evaluating cornerback is a really hard thing. I think personally, just because, first of all, when you're evaluating corners in college, if you're really good, the other team doesn't really throw at you. We've seen this with like Soss Gardner. When I was watching Suss Gardner's College Day was like he got targeted like five times. You know what I mean?

And so if you're really good, they kind of avoid you. And so sometimes that can be a way of like hiding some deficiencies, I guess, or something like that. But I just feel like Travis Hunter, even if he's not, even if he doesn't end up being an elite corner, I think he has a really high floor just as a really good receiver. You know what I mean? And honestly, he's probably, he's the CB one, the cornerback one in this class. And I think you could make the argument. He's the top receiver in this class. too. And that's why he's the number one prospect. I think that's why any team would be happy to get him.

I think the only like question is where do you play him and how much? I think the hardest part for me to figure it out is how do you moonlight on defense? I don't really understand like logistically how that works. Like do you play half the snaps on the outside? Well, I think that's the answer though to correct question, which is it's not if he fails, it's not because of talent. It's because like let's say the Giants take him at three and they don't have a great vision for how to use them and or Travis Hunter disagrees with it. They're like, let's start your corner and they get your receiver. And he's like, I want to play both. And then like, season goes poorly, Daibles fired. And then a new coach comes in. He's like, you know, play both sides, son. And he's mad.

And it's like, that to me is how it happens is like the wrong or disagree, not aligning on what he wants to be or not having a good plan for how to do that. Yeah, it's interesting. The devil's in the details on that. It is interesting that the coaching matters a lot for how well he succeeds. More than any player, more than any position player I've ever seen. That's the way it's More than any non-quarterback, I think, how you coach and who is coaching Travis Hunter matters. So, like, imagine the Patriots took him. You'd like, well, you'll be a Hall of Fame quarterback and an irrelevant receiver. You know what I mean?

Like, we'll see. So, okay, I met the Belichic Patriots. So number two in your big board, D.K, you have pass rusher, Abdul Carter from Penn State. Your comp from is Brian Burns, legendary, New York Giant. Legendary. Does that move your, does that move you a lot? Like, does it give you a feeling in your loins? I think I like Brian Burns more than most people.

I don't know if most people care about an underrated Brian Burns this year. I think my question is, so I like this comp a lot and I think it makes sense. Brian Burns, Florida State, Carolina, and then the Giants. I think most people are going to comp Micah Parsons to Abdul Carter because they went to Penn State and wear 11 and got the midriff looking. You look cooler when you pull the jersey up and share your answer. Yeah, there's a long history of number 11s for. Yeah, LeVar Arrington. I think here's my question.

What are the differences between Abdul Carter and Michael Parsons? I think the big thing for me is just his body type is not as thick and well built, like muscular. He's very, I think Abdul Carter is he looks slim. Like when you watch him play, he's pretty slim looking. This is why I've comped him to Brian Burns. He's just not as filled out. Maybe he will start to get more filled out as he gets into the NFL put on a little bit of weight. I don't know if he necessarily needs to or not, depending on where they play him.

Because he played linebacker for the first couple of years of his career. and then they moved him to full-time edge rusher his dad wanted him to play linebacker and Abdul Carter had to say I would like to be a pass rusher. He's like, dude, I'm going to be the first overall pick as a pass rusher. He had to convince his dad to be like,

he actually might be the first overall pick. Some people think he's the best player in this class. I think it's a tossing between him and Hunter. But I mean, he and again, the reason it reminds me of Ryan Burns is Brian Burns is the big question with him coming in was is he too skinny. And I think Abdul Carter,

skinny is not the right word, but he's like a slender build, sinewy, build, not super bulky. When I think of Michael Parsons, I think of like a really thick, muscular dude who's just built. And Abdul Carter is slender, explosive, really bendy, really flexible. You see him turn the corner. You can see him duck under blocks.

He's fast. It's just like so hard for it. He's got like a good like Euro step inside counter. It's just really hard for blockers to kind of keep up with him from a speed and agility point of view. and I think he could probably build his frame a little bit up but I think you wouldn't want to lose too much of that explosiveness because he's just he's just really twitchy he was playing in the college football playoff with basically one arm

and still beating every tackle and getting successful. He's one of those guys that I think especially in those last few games or whatever everyone was like oh yeah this guy's this guy's a dude. I also figured out the dunk contest while you're talking. When you said Abdul-Carter has a Euro step, I don't think everyone forgets like some of the best basketball players in the world or defensive ends who would have been in the NBA if they were five inches taller. The NFL

should do the dunk contest at the Pro Bowl and the NBA should have a flag football contest. Yeah, that's fun. Swap sports. I want to see Yokic play flag football and then I want to see I want to see an NFL dunk contest. That's fun. I like that. We're just a pickup game. Honestly, the NFL

All-Star game would be so like a competitive basketball game would be better than the NBA All-Star game. I really, they should just fully swap. They should just swap. just yeah he really should all right there's an idea there someone write that down DK the number three player in your big board you have Mason Graham the defensive tackle to Michigan

let's see if I got this right your comp for him is the large Hadron particle collider which I'm gonna be totally honest I don't exactly know what that is but it sounds like something that can create a black potentially could create a black hole to develop end the earth

in the entire Milky Way smashing particles together at such high speed that it will like create a it'll rip the fabric of our dimension in half or something like that something crazy so why is it number one if he's gonna like fold the dimension so you think Brian Burns is is more powerful than the large hadron particle collider no not powerful um I think faster better I don't know defensive interior lineman I don't know maybe he's just not as versatile not as many sacks I guess I don't know but yeah mason graham super explosive big thick like rotund fella he's he's like got a big like barrel chested build kind of guy rotund yeah like the hadron rotund but also is there a small hadron particle collider there might be

google that got to be right like why would they throw it why would they add the word large is that necessary it's got to be a small one now i think there might be that's like there's some animals that are like that like there's the lesser prairie chicken and the greater prairie chicken and I'm like damn you're gonna like add a same with flamingos lesser flamingo greater the world lesser flamingo smallest particle small accelerator is 54 million times smaller than the large had drawn collider 54 million times smaller have no idea what any of these things like the half the particle collider is like like I think it's like a mile long it's like it's a huge it's a giant it's like a subway for like colliding one particle with another particle so I feel like I'm giving you a really good idea

of the type of player Mason I want now you need to you need to need to have a comp later on in the draft. That is the small Hatchron. Oh, that's a good idea. So why is Mason Graham so much better and or different than other defensive tackles you watched where you're like other guys get comped to like, oh, you're like, I don't know, even Aaron Donald. You're like, you're like the thing that could end the world.

First of all, I would never comp anyone to Aaron Donald. That'd be insulting. But I think he's just twitchier and more agile and explosive, both laterally and going forward. and he's also very good against a run, one of the best run defenders in college football, according to PFF's grading. So he's just a three-down guy

who can collapse a pocket, who can be used on stunts and things like that. Quinn and Williams was a guy that came to mine. When I first watched him, and this is another guy that's... Quinnon-Farticle Collider was the toss-up. You were like, nah, he's more Hadron. Quentin Williams is a very good player.

You watched like the sneeze video from Quinn and Williams, and you're like, I'm out. Do you remember Justin Smith, 49ers, defensive end slash defensive lineman. That's another guy who's like, you don't really, you can't really compare anybody to that guy because he was like one of the all-time grades, but just really strong,

really explosive can be utilized. He can like bound from gap to gap and slice into the pocket. He can go straight through gaps. He can take on blocks. He can do a little bit of everything. He's just kind of one of those guys that he's going to up the intensity of a defensive line. And he's just a high floor,

high ceiling pass thrusher guy who can play on all three downs. the golf ball wacker guy I just every time I say guy I'm like that sounds terrible he's a really good step right up see the amazing golf ball whacker guy hyphen sneeze to watch I have me go more a few times

I feel like you should play in the Waterbury open oh yeah okay yeah you're right there wow it's quite a drive how long you've been golfing never it's my first time all right we can continue Number four on your big board, NFLdraft.com.

You have Ashton Genti running back at a Boise State, and you compared him to the battle bot named Minotor. To be honest with you, I barely know what this is. I do.

Craig, to be honest with you, I didn't really either. I initially just comped him to a battle bot because I'm like, something that's like low to the ground, tenacious as fuck.

I love battlebots. I was like, he's like Minotaur. And so I was talking to Hyfitz about any in Hyphitz, little did I know and little did if you haven't been following along for a long time little did you know that he went and reported

on battle bots I love battle bots when I was a kid deep in depth on the battle bots he was like you were really cool I wish they brought it back they're huge battle they did bring it back and it didn't work but battle bots die 250 pound robots made by like physics teams at like Caltech and all these things and they compete like UFC but instead of like UFC which has like rules

that you can hit them there's like 50 pound hammers and saws come up from the ground and like there's hammers and blades. It's insane and they just go to war. Explain the Minotaur. The Minotaur has like a cylindrical it's the most unconventional thing. What is it?

I don't know. It's a spinning drum. So that's the one you don't think of it. You're like oh, hammers and knives and that makes sense. Minotaur had a spinning drum that was just like it honestly imagine a cylindrical cheese grater that would spin at 3,000 RPM. And if it hit you, you were fucked. And like literally it could send 250 pounds.

robots flying across like cracking the videos. It looked like when Minotaur would hit somebody, it looked like they were getting electrocuted. Yeah. And I was like, what is this? What like, what the fuck is this guy doing? I have no idea what's happening. And then I'm like, you look closer. It's like, oh my God, it's just got this cylindrical drum on the front that's spinning

so fast. Anytime anything touches it, it just goes fucking flying. And you know who else? You know who else? Every time they get touched, people go flying is Ashton Jente. Yeah. That is honestly, I think Ashton Jentzy, all that Boisey had was like him as the running back and all they had

every defense they played every single week went in and it was like all we got to do is stop Ashton Genty and that

can I just read you some Ashton Genty stats? Please do. Ashton Genty had 21 touchdowns in 845 yards in

in 4 years. in 4 years. He had his first six games He had 21 touchdowns in four games? No, that was wrong. I messed that up.

He had 1,800 plus yards in 4 games? 845 and 4 games. In the first six games of his season, through six games, Ashton Genty had almost as many yards as the last two Hivesman winning running backs combined. And then his EPA per rush at one point during the season would have been the number two in the country in EPA per dropback. Do you know how good you have to be as a running back to be better than every quarterback in college football except one? Like that's, so anyway, DK, what do you think?

We've talked about this guy like he's like, Paul Bunyan. running backs. What is this team that he could go to where you'd be like, oh, that's where he would fit. That's where we could see, like, him basically have, like, be one of the best running backs. I mean, he would literally fit anywhere. It would be awesome if he went to a team with a good running, a good offensive line because then he could really reach his potential. Not that he needs that necessarily, but, you know, I just think of, you know, Jemir Gibbs going to the Lions is such a perfect natural fit, you know, the way that they can utilize his speed and acceleration and burst in that scheme in the way that he kind of like takes advantage of that obviously

Sequin going to the Eagles, Henry going to the Ravens. I almost hope he kind of falls a little bit in the draft and goes to a good team with a good offensive line. Not saying he's going to go out of the first round, but like into the teens or something like that. But he would literally fit on any team. I don't think he's scheme specific. He can do kind of whatever he, you know, whatever scheme they want to do.

He's so slippery. His acceleration kind of reminded me of Gibbs. And honestly, and I know that he kind of studies Marshaun-Land, but like his slipperiness and just ability to like tacklers just seem to sluff off of them. They can't get a hold of him. He's just made out of cement. He has a little bit of Marshawn Lynch. He doesn't run anything like Lynch.

Lynch runs herky, jerky and crazy and weird. And I was going back and watching some Marshawn Lynch highlights just because I was trying to like remember in my mind like what his gate looked like. And he was just, his heads flying all over the place, like moving back and forth. Marshall Lynch had like the most unique running gate and I think Gentie's much smoother and explosive and his head sits still kind of deal but guys just they just bounce off of him. He has like this very natural ability to absorb and deflect contact and that's why he I think he actually set the record according to PFF

no one's ever broken more tackles on a season than him and he was like 50 broken tackles over the next closest guy. It was insane. Again, every defense every week they were like we just have to stop this guy and I can't like they just were stacked the box and I could didn't matter. But yeah, honestly,

the only running backs to think that might even might even be better than him. Agent Peterson definitely is a prospect in Sequin. And I mean,

that I've seen. It's, you guys got, the Genti has a very unique body style because he's pretty short. I think he's like 5'8. And he's got a

3,000-round drum on his front. He is, he has a, he's barrel chest. Like his, his upper body torso is just like huge. And so he's,

he's low, he has a low center of gravity, but he's thick as hell. And so I think that's a great combination as a running back. You know, like frame-wise, he reminds me of pre-injury J.K. Dobbins. Super explosive, really thick,

low-to-the-ground, jukes and explosiveness kind of combined. So obviously, I think he has a sky-high potential. And I don't know, what's your favorite team for him to go to? What do you think? Speaking of J.K. Dobbins, I would love for him to go to the Chargers.

Hell yeah. That would be incredible with that offensive line and their offensive scheme. That would be so fun. If they really wanted to go for it, you go trade for sign a big wide receiver and then go draft Ashen Genti and then you're really cooking with gas. The thing about Genti every time I watched him is his balance. He can like get hit to the side and stabilize so quickly, like a little bit like Camara, even though they're completely different. But the same kind of weird balance that Camara has, Genti is like a very powerful version of that.

Gyroscopic balance, baby. So you guys don't realize, but also Minotaur really had the contact balance too. The battle box. He's playing load of the ground. Yeah, for sure. Loaded the ground. I mean, dude, Tombstone.

Oh, battle, one day I'll take us my battle boss. Craig, you should have seen it. I was on the phone with hyphids and he was just geeking out. Dude, I got to show you.

I got to show you this video. Was it on, where did they air those? Was it ever on ESPN? It used to be on Spike or whatever. Then it became, was on Discovery. So the new relaunch was on Discovery.

And I wrote this like blog for the ringer like six years ago that was like, oh, like the best YouTube videos is Battlebots. And then Battlebots emailed me. It was like, you want to come watch some battle bots and report out of person. I was like, yeah, fuck. Yeah, I do. Of course I do.

And then, because when you're, like, covering the NFL, like, you know, I'm a fan of the Giants. But, like, the main rule of, like, when you're covering this stuff is you got to be professional. You can't be, you know, you can't be like, oh, my God. It's like, Lamar or Sequin. With the battle bots, who gives a shit? I'm like, oh, my God, is this tombstone? And I'm like, oh, look at this robot. That thing goes through the tip of.

He's never been more starstruck than when he saw the battle by tombstone. Oh, my God. The robot, Tombstone is this has, like, this 11 pound aluminum two by four. It's like a brick. aluminum. It's like 11 pounds and it spins so fast on a lawnmower rotor that the tip of the blade is going faster than an AK-47 round.

And it hits and it like can set a 250-pound robot like flies, shattering to pieces. Is there a consensus on who the greatest battlebot of all time is? Dude, tombstones up there, you know, it's like Anderson Silva. I feel like I'm talking about a mix of WWE and Dragon Bowl Z to Craig.

Like he has no idea. I do remember battlebots. I remember watching it a few times. It's fun because it's like, it's nerd. It's like the people making these things are like, like, you know, either hobbyists or like students. But like, it's crazy. Like they're like, how do we withstand the 100 pound hammer hitting us with a flamethrower

from the air? Is the battlebot like championship or belt or whatever it is they have kind of like MMA where like over a long enough period of time like almost everybody's going to lose multiple times. There's going to be very few guys that are just completely dominant. It's tough shit happens, man. Yeah. It's like you're getting hit hard.

Yeah. No, it's, it's, it's caught in the wrong angle. It's caught like four to one. You gotta fix it in like two days, so that's tough. Battlebots are kind of like the adult version of Bayblades. 100,000%? Exactly what it is. You don't remember Bayblades? No. I was too young.

Really? They were like these little spinning tops, but they were kind of designed to like beat up on each other and you would spin them into like a bowl and then they would battle against each other and hit one another until one of them fell. Interesting. Okay. Number five. Ted McMillan, our boy, T-Mack,

DK, receiver. you compared him to T. Higgins. Yeah. And that was, I saw that from Dane Brugler, I believe, who pointed that. I was like, ooh, that sounds, that, that just makes a lot of sense to me in my mind in terms of the way he moves, the smoothness and fluidity of his athleticism. I think McMillan's slightly thicker, but not like a lot. He's like bigger boned than T. Right.

He's just, he's just built a little bit more hefty or whatever. But yeah, he's got great hands, great at the catch point. Do you want to put big bone T. Higgins is the comp. We can still edit it. Big bone. I feel like that gives you the wrong impression, though. What is the word I'm looking for?

Just built better. Just a little bit more rugged. Firmer. Firmer. I don't know if I'll put that there. But yeah, he good after the catch in terms of if you get him on like a slant, just like T. Higgins, he can run away with it. And I think just like the absurd catches he makes in traffic, you know,

arrogant hands to go up and go through traffic and bring the ball down. arrogant hands is a great phrase. Yeah. He's just really tough. He's a really tough receiver with great size. He's not, I think the one thing that you'll probably see is he's not going to run. I bet he won't run at the combine or do any of the testing stuff

because he might not be like a super elite athlete, but it doesn't matter because his size, his stride length, all that stuff. I think it's very similar to T. Higgins ran really slow and people were like, oh, this. Do you remember when Mike Tomlin last season called T. Higgins a goon, but he meant it in the old school like Batman's fighting some goons

and it's like, is Ted McMillan a goon? Yeah, I think so. Craig, I know you really like him, right, Craig? I love him. I think he's awesome. I don't really, I actually, yeah, I don't care about any of that like straight line speed crap. Like if you just watch Tet, he has everything. He's like, he is one of the most agile six five receivers I've ever seen,

if not the most agile, maybe other than like Calvin Johnson or something. But he is, he looks like if Mike Evans and T. Higgins had a baby and it was like a 2.0 version of that. I think he kind of like has everything. And even you saying like, oh, maybe he's not like the most athletic. There's like two different types of athletic. There's like the test score athletic where the spark score, whatever, where you're like every single drill you're doing,

you're a 99 out of 100. But then there's like the feel, game feel athletic. And in terms of that, I think he is also a 99 out of 100. That'll be like the, yeah, that's the Pukunakua test. Or whatever. It's like, are you, how fast are you on the field? because I think the Rams knew they got a good discount on Puka, in addition to the fact that he had multiple injuries in college,

but he was like, I think they were utilizing his game speed numbers over his overall testing numbers, which were not super impressive. And I mean, that's ultimately all that matters. It's like, how are you moving on a field?

How are you moving when you're running routes with all your pads on and your helmet on? Getting out of getting off the jam and getting into your route and being tough and strong enough to overcome really grabby corners and things like that at the catch point. I think that's just like what makes T. Higgins so good. And I'm not saying he's not a good athlete.

I'm saying he doesn't have elite explosiveness, if that makes sense. It's just like, I think it's just a little different. He's not going to be the type of guy who just beats you with pure speed, but he has enough speed to be really good in the NFL. So at number six on your big board, you have offensive tackle Will Campbell at LSU. You compared him to Garrett Bowles, the tackle for the Broncos, or also Sam Big Smooth Perkins.

I don't know who that is. Yeah, yeah. this is probably before your generation, Big Smooth. He was a former CL Supersonic. I know he played for a couple other teams too, but he was basically like a big man who could shoot threes and everybody, they called him Big Smooth because everything he did

was just really sort of easy. It's almost like he was like sleepy. I think they also call him like Sleepy Sam and stuff like that. He's just kind of, he's just a chill, relaxed athlete, but he's also really fast. And he was shooting threes. And he was like, he was like a center shooting threes before. Who's the Sam Perkins with Jordan on the UNC team?

When Jordan made the shot, won, right? Yeah, he did go to, uh, did he go to UNC? I actually do know this is like way, way to the Sonics? Yes. He was a fourth overall pick in the 84 draft. Oh, wow. He played for Dallas, Lakers, Sonics, Pacers. So.

What about Will Campbell reminded you of Sam Perkins? I was just watching him like, this guy's so smooth. He's just smooth and everything. He looks as easy. Like all his movements look easy. And that's just like, I was immediately just thinking to Big Smooth Sam Perkins watching him growing up. He was like a lefty.

And again, like I said, in those days, you didn't see a lot of centers or like, I guess he was maybe it was a five or a four, I mean. But he's just shooting threes and he's draining him. He was really good. Do you think we could get wherever Will Campbell goes? Do you think we go to the combine nickname and Big Smooth? And then whenever he like does anything good, everyone in the stands can be like, smooth.

That would work. We can get you a try. Sam Perkins was 6-9-235. God, basketball players are built differently. Certainly. Defensive ends are just... True aliens. Defensive ends are just people who were four inches too short to be in the ABA.

That's all what defensive ends are. I know that this year is a bit of a down year, right? At tackle, compared to guys like Joe Alt last year, where does Will Campbell in general rank in terms of, like, how good of a tackle class this is? I think he's below sort of like the top couple of guys from last year. there is some question marks about his length. There's going to be, you know,

O, he has 32-something inch arms and is that long enough to plan at the tackle spot? Length isn't everything. Some teams, yeah, it's how you use it, right? And some teams will probably try him at tackle first, and if he succeeds there, then that's great. But so I think there's like some indication he might be better at guard.

I don't want to hear that about someone the Giants might have to take in the top six. Like I just, the guard thing is like, I feel like once you get to the 10th thing, I'll be like, all, sure, it might be a guard, whatever. I don't like hearing that about the best tackle in the class. Right.

And I think that's why he's a step below or like a tier below some of the other elite guys from last year. That being said, I think he's going to be a really good player. It's just a question of is he like a top five guy or more like early teens? I don't know. There's going to be some teams that probably don't like him because of the lack of length. But I think he'll just be like a really good player. It just depends on how much you value it. If he ultimately ends up at guard, like how much do you value that?

10th on your big board. You have Cam Ward. And I'm curious, I feel like before you even ask, like, oh, what are the traits or whatever? Your conference, Jordan Love. And I feel like a lot, especially with these quarterbacks, the Cam Ward and Shudder Sanders, there are things that people that are like Rorschach tests, that you see it and people can pull different interpretations from the same thing. And I feel like, what are the things with Cam Ward that are like Rorschach test?

Because I feel like it's like the footwork, the throwing motions, the pocket movement, the decision making. Like, there's a lot of divisive things with Cam Ward that people take away different stuff, right? Yeah, I think the reason I comp tempted to Jordan Love, the reason he reminded me of Jordan Love, number one, big arm, push the ball down the field. He's like a big game hunter as our buddy Nate Tice likes to call, like certain quarterbacks, like guys that look for big plays down the field are not afraid to push it into coverage,

want to give their receivers a chance to make a play on the ball. So Cam Ward is certainly that. And I think the other thing. is just his ability to kind of like keep a play alive in the pocket, keep a play alive when you have pressure in your face, buy an extra beat to get a throw off. I see some of the same things with Jordan Love.

And especially like Jordan Love coming out of college was aggressive, good athlete, can move around, can make some plays out of the pocket, can extend plays. But then there are head scratching plays where you're like, okay, you probably shouldn't have thrown that. Like, what were you thinking on that play?

And Cam Ward has some of those. So it's just a matter of, You know, do you take the upside that he has, like, physical potential in terms of his athleticism, his arm strength, his ability to, you see it over and over and over and over on his tape where he is able to buy an extra second or like even just an extra beat to get the throw off. Even if there's a guy in his face, he'll just step to the right a little bit, like stiff arm him, buy enough time to get the throw off and keep the play alive rather than taking a sack.

You know what I mean? And so I think that's a very valuable thing to have in the NFL. Having that extra ability to buy one extra beat to get the throw off, that's, I think, one huge thing that makes Mahomes great is, you know, if he has pressure in his face, he can buy just enough time to get the pass off. It's so frustrating for a defense because he's able to do that. And I think Cam Ward has a little bit of that. He's also, I mean, he's a big boy. I know he's like, he's 36 too, but he, you can see it. You can feel it when you watch him. Like there is a thickness to him. He is shedding dudes in the pocket, like throwing defensive

linemen off him, Anthony Richardson style. He definitely has just like a lot of brute strength as as a quarterback, probably more than most, for kind of guys who are more traditionally pocket passers. He is he's a thick man. He's got a firm build. Great. He's got a rugged frame is why I like to call

those types of guys. Just like big, tough, physical, not going to be easy to take down, not going to be easy to push around. You know, I think of like, he's not nearly as big as Big Ben, but I remember when Big Ben... I was just about to say Big Ben. When Big Ben was playing, wow.

You couldn't take... When you're sacking him, it just takes a little bit longer to sack him. He's not going to run away from him. He's small Ben. Little Ben. Is he the small Hadron Collider? He's the small Hadron Collider? Sure.

Maybe. Well, Big Ben was what, 6.5? Yeah, he was, I googled Big Ben size and the clock came up. Big Ben was like 280. I googled Big Ben size. Big Ben was fat. How do you think the clock is? Craig, what do you think Big Ben was playing out in its heaviest?

Like 280, 28, 25? No. I bet, dude. Well, he probably lost weight. It's like supersized me where it's like the muscle turned to fat. I bet you he got to 260 though. Got a heifer. Wait,

I would love to do some research of that. Get someone who like can tell body comp how heavy he was at his, at his heaviest. I'm just thinking of the famous picture of him where he's got like ice packs on both his knees and bolt his shoulders. You know what I'm talking about? Like late in his career. Dude, he's a he's epic. Ben was one of the funest quarterbacks to watch.

We always joked that he wasn't any good until he got. hit, but actually, I feel like what it was, was he wasn't any good until whatever he took before the game kind of like, you know, sit in. He'd always limp into halftime with some horrific ankle twist and then come out and have a great second quarter. Like, what changed? That's crazy. But I don't think Ward, like, stylistically, Ward is not a lot like Big Ben, but just

from a point of view of the kind of vibe. The ability to kind of hold off of a pass rush or just long enough to get a pass off. I think that's such a huge, a huge advantage because, you know, the way that pass rushers come, the way that blitz has happened in the NFL. guys that can extend just an extra beat to get the throw off, keep the play alive, see that with Josh Allen all the time. That's a huge advantage because, you know,

some guys just, when pressure's coming, they will, like, turtle up and, like, turn their shoulder and just trying to avoid the hit. This guy's not doing that. No,

he got some thickness. When's the last thick quarterback we've had? Who's a thick boy out there in the NFL right now? Well, Tyree Kill called two of fat this year. Two is, uh, two is,

Tu is like, what is it the body mass index, BMI? He's probably up there. We don't have a lot of like quarterbacks with a little bit of a belly. Honestly, Mahomes a little bit. I was going to say, dude, the good ones have bellies, Mahomes.

Like Leva socks and Mahomes is Mike do with three peat. So that should tell you everything you need to know about the bod. But no, I like Cam Ward. I kind of see that Ralph is putting through with Cam Ward. I like Cam Ward. I think this is going to be a draft period where we pick Nits and we pick these guys apart over the process.

is something that we tend to do as you go along in the process. But I want it to be remembered that I like Cam Ward. I think he's a very exciting prospect. So the other quarterback here, so you have Shudder Sanders a spot behind Cam Ward on your board.

You have him as 11th. Your comp for Shudder Sanders at Colorado is like if Dion Sanders had a slow son who played quarterback. This is just like a bit I've been going for several years now. Like last year it was, or two years ago was Joey Porter Jr.

it's like if his last year was Marvin Harrison if Joey Porter Sr. had a really tall son who played corner Marvin Harrison Jr. Last year, James Cook was like

if Dalvin Cook had a little brother. I don't know. I think Shitter Sanders, like the quarterback comp that comes to mind for me when I'm watching him is a guy like Baker Mayfield where he's a little shorter.

I think Shitter's saying, so he's listed at 6-2. He was listed at the Colorado spring practice last year. I think at 6-1. And I think that's probably closer to what he is. so he's a little on the short side for a quarterback spot.

There's, of course, like, you know, Caleb Williams is 6-1, 6-2. It's not necessarily a deal-breaker. But that's not nothing, because when a quarterback's under six-foot feet, we panic. And when a quarterback's six-feet, they're like, well, is he even a first-rounder? And then a quarterback 6-1, we don't even talk about it. I mean, it's the same thing in everyday life. You know what I mean? Yeah.

If a guy's 5-11, he's like, everything's ruined. If it's 6-foot, he's like, that's okay. And if it's 6-1, he's a giant. But that was the name with Caleb Williams, where it's like, last thing, Last year, it's like if Caleb Williams measured it's six foot flat, all we would have talked about is can he see over his massive offensive lineman. It's like, yeah. That's fine. Yeah.

So Shadr. What did Caleb Williams measure in it? Six one. But his Shadir's play style is like that where he's constantly running out of the back of the pocket, improvising. And like, I think everyone assumes that he's doing, I mean, there's a lot of reasons. I wonder if he's doing that. It's another Rorschach test is why does Shudder hold under the ball for so long. And I think the obvious one is the Colorado offensive line sucks.

Right. But the other one is like, maybe he can't see. It's one of those things where you can never say that a quarterback, sacks are a quarterback stat in a way. Like not 100% of the time, but usually a quarterback's like sack rate and pressure to sack rate will stay relatively, you know, even over the years despite having different offensive lines because it's just like a play style type of deal. It's like, are you going to hold on to ball? You're going to eat the ball and take a sack instead of try and throw it into a dangerous situation. I think the nice thing about Shadur, he doesn't turn the ball over hardly at all. his his turnover worthy play rate according to pf this year was 1.5%.

He is not making dumb throws. And that, I think for some teams, it's going to be a massive, massive bonus. The opposite end of the, the other end, like at the, you know, it's a dual edge sword or whatever. The other side is he takes a fuckload of sacks. He's taken almost like the most sacks over the last two years of almost anybody. It's like up there in the top five, top ten. So one of the biggest, I think, issues with Caleb Williams this year was just a shitload of sacks. Is that going to be a problem for Shudur at the next level?

I don't know, but like, you know, that's something to worry about a little bit. But Shador's taking Sacks as a pocket pastor and Caleb was taking Sacks as a guy who's much more improvisational. But Shadur's trying to do that. I'm so mixed on Shadur on a bunch of reasons because, I mean, not even talking about all the things I feel like with Dion and Hull Intervene,

but even just as a prospect, the sacks, I think I disagree with people on Shadur's pro. Like, there are things people worry about with Shadur. I'm not as worried about. The arm strength, I feel like it's, It's frankly close to what Joe Burrow had when he was in college. And Joe Burroughs gotten better since he was in the NFL. Like I, you know what I mean?

I also think the sacks thing similar to Burrow as well where there's different comps for, not comps, but there's different archetypes of quarterbacks. And this is the thing Adam Harsadstead's talk about where there's like, how far you push ball down the field? How many turnovers do you have? How many sacks do you take? Pick two. Because it's like Joe Burrow is going to try to push the ball down field, does want to turn

it over, takes a lot of sacks. And then you have like shaders like that. But then some quarterbacks are like Jamis where they're not going to take sacks. is going to turn it over a lot while trying to push it downfield. Or you're like a checkdown artist where like you don't take sacks or turn it over, but you're getting, you're taking a lot of like, you're not as many deep shots.

Shudority has the burrow-esque archetype of like a lot of sacks, but in a high IQ way where it was like, but we're hunting to try to get like net net, like a plus CV like we're going to make our way downfield. He's also, he's also accurate in a borough way. He can drop the ball into a bucket down the sideline. He can layer passes.

In other words, he will change the velocity of his throat. to get it over, defender into his, into his receiver's hands. He plays with a lot of, he's just a, he's a polished passer.

You know what I mean? Like, he has like, I think a high floor. The problem is, I guess the question you'd have is like, how high of a ceiling does he have, being 6-1,

a little over 200 pounds? Maybe he comes in at like 215, and that would be totally fine. I don't know. But I think there's, the worry is, is he a little bit small? And does he have the physical talent

to, be a burrow type of player because Burrow is like quite a bit taller That goes back to the I don't know No that goes back to again if you watch Colorado and I was like pick Deanne Sanders' son you'd be like it's Travis Hunter because he's not that athletic he's not that fast I think that when he's he's got enough he's got he's this is why Compton Baker Mayfield he kind of reminds me of Baker may he's like he's a he can run around

and scoot around and make plays but he's not super fast it's funny I think Brock Purdy thought he was Joe Burrow Yeah, yeah it's funny I feel like the baseline now for quarterback is like They are at the very least a little mobile There's like no more Matt Ryan's. It's hard to park and bark, dude. That's my other fear watching Shudor is, I don't want to pretend like I've done like I've done like the super deep dive already. But when I watch Shudor pretty close the last couple years, my fear is that when he plays like Colorado State or like the lesser schools, he really kind of like is good at getting away from the pocket from all the defensive ends.

And creating the play. But like the small school defensive ends can't catch him. But when he plays like the better schools, like Nebraska, the defensive tackles can catch him. And I'm like a little worried that like that's the NFL, dude. That's why the jump to the NFL is so hard. That's my fear is like when the actual NFL love, I feel like he won't be able to extend the plays as effortlessly against the actual athleticism of like Miles Garrett. Like get ready to learn Miles Garrett buddy. And so that's my fear is like what does he become?

That's why the Brown should take him. So he doesn't have to deal with that. Well, see if DM wants him to go there. But yeah. I think it's just like this is like. such a canned cliche boilerplate comment but it does

where he lands is going to make a difference obviously like what type of offense he can run how much he has to put on his shoulders right away how quickly you can get the coach fired so Dion can take the job of either Kevin's DeFansky or Brian Davis it's wild how you the way that you said it was like he's been

homeschooled is so he's homeschooled he's only played for Dion he's only played for Dion he played five years in college for Dion across two different programs Dion became a coach to coach him He took the Jackson State job. It's a red flag.

I mean, let's be honest. Again, if you are, there is Nepo energy with Shador Sanders in a very weird way. Look, I respect it. You know, again, Dionne Sanders, snow plow parent, moving all the obstacles. If you're Brian Callahan, you draft him. Doesn't go well. You're going to get fired. Deon will take your job.

Browns, Tifansky, you draft him. Doesn't go well. Guess what? Deon's going to take your job. Brian Dable with the Giants who almost got fired. And then John Merritt changed his mind midway through the season. Like, this is loom. even if it doesn't happen, it's going to loom.

It's all Stephen A. Smith's going to talk about it. On ESPN every day, every day that you guys lose. I feel like you say snowplow parent, but he's performed on the field. Yeah, he has performed. But he's helped elevate what was a bad program. You know what I mean? That's totally fair. And his stats are very good.

I don't know. It is one of those things where I totally understand where you're coming from. But he also has, he's, you know, he's proven that he's a good player too. Oh, should be, yeah, he absolutely should be. I do think he's an NFL quarterback. situation. I think I'll have a long quarter. I think he'll have a long, yeah, it's not a Bronny James.

I don't know. I'd actually know that much, but I'm guessing it's not a Bronny. No, you're correct. It's not a Bronny. Bronny is, Ronnie should be like doing PR for the team. Like that should have been his career in another world. Bronny is the only guard to ever get drafted

that average less than five points a game in college. Yeah, yeah, like four something. And I'm like, I don't know. It's, but. Wait, D.K. We talked about this with Marvin Harrison, Jr. a lot last off season. And I wonder if,

it's going to come up again this offseason. But, like, I feel like we haven't discussed just the name brand value of him being Sanders and him being Dion Sanders. No, I want to go the other way. If he was named Dion Sanders Jr., would we be like he's automatically number one pick? We wouldn't have been asking if he was overcame. To be honest, I think they're too inextric. Like, everybody knows.

If it was Dion Sanders Jr., yes, that would be even more ridiculous. But Chodor Sanders and with Dion being the coach and always being around and they're a package deal, if his name was Mike Jenkins and he was not Dion Sanders' son and he was just a quarterback for Colorado, Would he be 11th on your big board? Yes, I think so. Well, here's the deal. Because I think it goes both ways because I think him being Dionne Sanders' son is a red flag because you get the whole fucking deal with Dionne where it's like as a team,

you're going to be taking this guy with the idea that maybe Dion's coming for your job in a couple of years or whatever. The Michael Jordan of Lavar Ball. The team that draft him is also drafting the media circus that goes, with him. And so that makes me a little worried about him too. But again, this goes back to what I just said. He helped elevate the Colorado program. His statistics are really good. Like his traits in terms of protecting the football, his accuracy, his poise, his toughness in the pocket. That all is real. But you're right. It's very hard to separate. It is very hard to separate. Maybe he would be a little bit lower if he wasn't named Sheder Sanders. I think if Marvin Harrison was

Shadur Harrison, even that would have been like, oh, yeah, he'll go by. behind neighbors. And I'm like, yeah, you know, we're close. So the number, you have nine on your big board. Actually, Tyler Warren, the tight end at Penn State. Let me see if I get this right. You have him compared to the Andy Reed punt past kick champion. Dude, I was good. We were making a breakout for the show when we were talking about Tyler Warren. And I went back and I was watching some of Tyler Warren's high school highlights and Carlos pulled some of them up. He is like literally twice as big as some of the kids he was playing against in high school. It's like the funniest thing ever.

I can't get the Andy Reid punt pass. He probably was twice as big as me. There's a specific like play, one of the first plays on his huddle highlight reel, where he takes a football, he runs, and the guys chasing him look like children. It truly looks like children are chasing him. Like those videos of mascots fighting kids.

It's like the videos, well, that's a great, yeah, that's a great one too. There's also the videos of like, you know, world famous soccer players that play against like 100 kids. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's like all those kind of vibes. It's giving that. So anyways, that was, I just can't, when I watch Tyler Warren,

he just feels larger than life to me. He is a large guy. He's obviously not that big relative to his college opponents, but I just can't get Andy Reed, punt pass kick challenge out of my brain when I see this, when I see Tyler Warren like carry the footballer, he like can throw the football. He does a little bit of everything for Penn State.

He was like a wild cat quarterback. for them. He would like run the football. He had over 100 yards rushing. So yeah, he's a really fun player. For those who don't know, there's the Andy Reid punt past kick. I'm sure this is like the Seattle Fish Dolls like everyone knows. But like the Andy Reid, there's this video they always play of Andy Reid doing punt past kick for like 11 year olds. And Andy Reid quite literally.

He's three times bigger than the kid behind him. He looks like Photoshoped in. Like it looks fake. It looks fake. And they spell his name wrong. And it's, he's doing pump ass kick. And honestly, he looks like he's 30 years old. He's like 6-2-2-10. It's actually insane. It's like Game of Thrones and they have like a giant or something there. It's just like it doesn't make sense.

They had all these kids in uniforms. They literally must have had to take like one of the actual football team uniforms. Yeah, he's a real helmet he's wearing. He looks gigantic. It's hilarious. DK, before we move off of Tyler Warren, give me a real like a real tight end comp

that I can attribute to him. The one that the real football comp that I was going with like a Goddard type of player, He's really big, physical, run after the catch. I know the Eagles use Goddard as one of their top run after the catch guys. They just throw him screens. He's so good after the catch. He can stiff arm guys.

He's extremely athletic, really fast. I think he's not as explosive as like a Taysam Hill. He's not as explosive as Taysam Hill? No one's as explosive at Tasem Hill. I would never compare anyone to Tasea. A large Hadron particle collider. Yeah. But I mean, the way that they're utilizing has like a de facto running back.

And I misspoke. He had over 215 yards rushing and four touchdowns this year. He set the FBS record for catches by a tight-out at a game. He held the extra point. 17 catches against USC or something like that. And then he held the extra point. He also caught a touchdown in that game after snapping the football, like a center. He's just like, I was snapping.

He did not hold the extra point. He snapped the extra point. Sorry. Okay. Well, anyway, he's just, he's just, I think Craig, we were talking about it before. he's just like a, what did you call him, a wagon? He's just a wagon. He's great. He's super fun.

So next up here, we have Michael Williams, pass rusher from Georgia. You have, your comp here is the Demogorgon. You ever watch Stranger Things and think to yourself, man, that guy would really rush the passer. My God. The long arms. So much length and bend.

Minus the whole like eat your head with the crazy like face thing. I don't know. You never know where they're going to come from too. It's like you drop back. You're like, are they behind me? Are they going to come out of the ground?

Yeah. Williams just has a prototypical frame. He's built like a pass rusher, really athletic, really strong. 65 to 65 hands that go down to his calves. Yeah, really long arms. He's like,

like worst case scenario, he's a really good run defender for you. But then obviously top, you know, best case scenario, he's a really good run defender and also is just, in a really high, you know, double-digit sack type of guy. I think he's the type of player who he played for much of this last season,

hurt. He had a high ankle sprain, and that really, I think, sapped some of his explosiveness. And he's definitely, I comped him to, I was like thinking, you know, like a Trayvon Walker type of player, the guy who's like really built to be a pass rusher, but the stats don't quite match up to it yet. The person went first to the Jaguars and everyone now remembers Trayvon Walker's illustrious career is a perfectly above average serviceable run defending defensive end. Right. Well, I would say he's good.

He's still ascending. He's still going in the right direction. I would say, but yes, like the question then and the question now is, it still is the question is like, is that potential worth the first overall pick? Whereas like Aidan Hutchinson came into the NFL

and was immediately super productive. But his arms are shorter though. Right. So it is, it's just a question of do you look at the very mid, mid, honestly, like mid production from Williams at Georgia this year in terms of like his past rush,

pass rush win rate. Pass rush. Pass rush. His win rate, his sacks, his pressures are all very mid. You don't look at any of his stats. You're like, oh, that's a first round pick. But you look at his traits and his frame and all that stuff. And you're like, oh, this guy could turn into, you know, Alden Smith

type of player. And that's exactly what Balke was thinking when he drafted Trayon Walker. So he's built to be an elite pass rusher. I don't think he's gotten there yet. But you see guys like this go in drafts really high because teams know that they can utilize that athleticism and sort of like develop it. Hold on.

I'm Googling the Demogorgans measurables. Do we know what that is? He had really long arms. He was huge. I mean, Demogin, or like the main guy was probably 40, 50 feet tall. Well, I was going to say, no, but like I'm on that was the mind fandom wiki.

Oh, is that? No, the demigorgans can get to Season 1. It says it can be six to ten feet tall. That's a huge range. Oh, I'm thinking of the, what is it, the Mineslayer? Mindflare. Mind flare. I never finished season two. Is that the mind flare?

The mind flare is like the gigantic thing in the background. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I was thinking of the spider when you said Demogorgon. Not the thing on two legs. Both of them work, honestly. The mind flare is like top dog in the underworld universe or whatever. What? The upside down.

Oh, dude, you should make the mind flare the thing. Damn. That's what I was thinking. Mindflare's putting up 28 sacks and he's an easy. Google, Greg, Google the Demagorgon. The Demagorgon looks like a pass rusher too, though. Demogorgon, yeah. Oh, right. He's got the face that opens up like a Venus flytrap. So what happens when the Demigorgon gets in the Large Hadron Collider? The particle Collider, who wins that? Mason Gras. The particle glider wins, I think. You're right, though, D.K. Demogorgon has the long wingspan. Dude, yeah, that's crazy. This guy's built to rush the passer. I like this comp. I like this comp.

We should get some. thing of Bill Belichick recruiting the Demogorgon. He had a lot of experience. He would just like shake his head and swear that. He had a lot of success in the NFL. I feel like we're a professional program. We could really. And he's just like,

season two, he kind of fell off. Oh my God. Okay, let's see if I could do this next one. The Ohio State receiver, and I'm actually, I've actually, we'll see. Is it a mecca, Ibuka? Do I have that correct? Mecca, I think.

Do you not pronounce the G in the last name? It's not egg buca. I don't think you pronounce the G. I think it's a Mecca Abuka. And if I'm wrong, we can correct that. I think it's just like you kind of gloss over the G. You split the G. Split the G.

Like, yeah. So, D.K., you compared to Buka. A mecca, Abuka. You compared him to Chris Godwin, which I think is a, that's high phrase. Right. I would say, first off, for everyone that's, like, mad at me for doing that comp. I don't think he's quite as explosive as Chris Godwin. Chris Godwin is a super athlete.

I think Buka is super reliable, professional route runner, great hands. good feel for coming open in the short and intermediate area to run after the catch. He's just a really good pass catcher. He really reminds me of Godwin in a sense that like Godwin maybe he's not the best number one receiver in the NFL. He's not going to be like a number one. But in an offense with a guy like Mike Evans, he's like an awesome number two. And might even outproduce the number one receiver on the team. In fact, Ibuka is the all-time Ohio State leader in catches.

But he was never at any point like the best receiver on his team. Doesn't that mean he just wasn't good enough to leave? So he's just Cal Nodden. Well, I don't think that's... This is like the same shit that we did with, like, Chris Olave. It's like the same shit we did, we do with all these different receivers that stay to their fifth year. Egbuka could have come out and would have been a top, it would have been a high pick. Yeah. But he just chose to stay.

And Ohio State throw the... It's like Blake Quorum going back to Michigan and then they won the title. And guess what? He won a fucking national title. So he's probably happy that he did that. And now he's most likely going to be a first round or maybe like a borderline for a second rounder. just because I don't think he has that elite explosiveness. It's kind of the same as like the Ted McMillan conversation. He's not a super twitchy explosive athlete, but he's just so good.

Everything he does. JSN comps. He's kind of in the same mold as like a JSN really reliable over the middle field, going to get open, going to run after the catch. Not the most explosive, probably not a number one. But how valuable is having a really good number two in the NFL? I think it's really valuable. Can we just add on this next ride receiver, Luther Burden,

the third out of Missouri, the junior. And so you have them, how far apart do you have them in your big board here? I have, let's see. D.K. You have Luther Bird in 24th. Yep. And you have Ibuka here at, you have 15. Yeah. And I think it's like Luther's upside is probably more exciting. Certainly from an athletic point of view, he's super, super explosive athlete.

Also, Luther Bird in the third? Luther Bird is a pretty sick name. Bird is a third. I'm kind of obsessed with Luther Burden and I really want the Steelers to take him. I would like him. That would be fine. I like him a lot more than Emeka Abuka.

Luther Burden to me, and I might have Steelers goggles on, kind of looks like Antonio Brown. And he is so shifty with the ball on his hands, so explosive, has like great body control. I just think,

and I think it's tough because Abuca, like you said, nothing's going to jump off the page and maybe I'm getting, I don't know, I'm looking at the shiny quarter on the ground. I'm like, wow. It's floor versus ceiling. Totally.

Yeah, Abuca, like Godwin, that's a good comp. Like, Abuca will be not sexy. But you're right, correct. I don't think if it's ever going to be like an alpha number one. But man, I think Burden is special and going to be one of those late first round wide receivers that you immediately, like a Justin Jefferson where it just works out immediately.

You're like, wow, this guy was awesome. And I think the thing with burden that's interesting, Dekam curious what you think. I feel like Borden this season was a weird one for him because so Brady Cook, the Missouri quarterback was like, just had this ankle injury all year, so it kind of sucked.

I mean, the offense is bad. Hard. Offence was awful at Missouri. So it was like, Burden's like the whole thing there, but they couldn't get him the ball. That's why you come to the DJ Moore and I think that's really funny.

It's like it reminded me of DJ more playing in like the bear's offenses over the last few years because it's like, you have to scheme up ways to get him to football. You're praying to get the ball. Yeah. But then when he touches a football, you're like, oh, this guy's explosive as hell. It's just a matter of, I don't know. Honestly, it's like I go back and forth with him.

Craig, I think, you know, when you watch him like, ooh, he's very, he's an electric mover. The way he moves is electric. But is he going to be like a slot guy in the NFL? Is he going to be the type of player that can like really win as a route runner all the time be a true number one? Or is he going to be more like a complimentary piece? I guess you could ask the same questions about DJ Moore. I think DJ Moore is number one. I think he's established himself as a number one.

that. But I don't know. I think it's just a, he's just like a little more high variance than Egbuka. I'm guessing a lot of people have burden ranked over Egbuka in their rankings, but to me it was just more like a floor versus ceiling type of thing. I'm in.

I'm in. He breaks a ton of tackles. He was second in the FBS this year and missed tackles forced. He's the type of running back, or sorry, the type of receiver that can turn into a running back where he's like annihilating pursuit angle. just faster than the defenders think he is and he just runs away from him.

Go to NFLDraft.3.com for Dicke's full big board. We got a mock draft there. Let's do some emails. Emails. Okay. We were talking earlier this week about which actors could beat up Cam Newton. Yeah.

I think I would say the answer is no one. Well, Lucas sent the only one that I was like, maybe. And I still think it's no, but the only person was maybe. Lucas said maybe Alexander Scarsguard He's 6 foot 4 That's the only person He's like maybe and it was like he was convincing in the Northman

Got the fight training He is he is a big Impressive looking athlete guy He's big I don't think he could But that was the first one The other one David emailed in and threw in Henry Cavill I was like no chance Idris Elba I'm like he's 60

No chance Elba 60 Oh I think he's like 55 He's 53 probably He's over 505 He's over 50. He's not... He's 52.

He's 52. No one 52 years old is beating him in fight. How old is that? Scarsguard? 50? 40? Well, I don't know. But the W...

So then he threw a W.W.E guys. Damn, I didn't realize he was that old. That's great. All right. I'm wrong. He can't fight win. So then David, David emailed in and suggested, what about the W.W.E. Actors, John Cidon.

John Cita is what I was just going to say. Yeah, we talked about the Rock, but I don't know. I mean... But that led me... Could they beat him? I don't know. care. That led me different question. I mean, the Rock played in the NFL, right? The Rock actually played football. But that led me to a different question. Cam Newton should

100% go to the WW. Or AEW. Like, Cam Newton should be a professional wrestler. He was born for it. Oh, yeah. That would be fun. Yeah, he kind of has that kind of flare that he could probably amp up for WWE crowd. I can see that. He has the, he already has the costuming. I don't know what his schick would be, but it would work. He's like 100% like he's like the new, he could be like the new Hulk Hogan. Or I guess he'd probably be healed. But like he's just, The way he dresses, everything about him just screams WWA. He could do it.

What about the guy who played the mountain? Oh. What's his name? Well, that was a power. They just got the strongest man of the world to act. He's not an actor. I mean, Stephen Seagal was not an actor. He was Mike Ovitz's jujitsu instructor.

And Mike Ovitz is like, what if I made you a star as a bit? That's so funny. That's incredible. That's what I said. Steven Segal, man. He's going to put you in an arm bar. The guy who played the mountain is, uh, Oh, God.

Can't pronounce that name. Half Thor? Bjoranson. Good for you. Maybe. How big is he? So, six, nine. But do you think, who do you think wins in a fight?

Ben Rothesberger at 280 or Cam Newton? Ben Rostberg is just park and bark? It depends. Does Ben have like a twisted ankle and a little bit of cortisone? How much? How much? Is it after half time? Substances.

I'm kidding, obviously. Yeah. This next one is from Annie Annie. First, a lot of people emailed in to say when Craig said the body of Christ should be an apple fritter they almost drove off the road. That was good.

You catch me in church tomorrow if they were serving apple fritters. I'm getting seconds. Getting back in line. So Annie emailed in and said, Heifitz telling the story of Jackie eating the church wafer off the ground reminded me of my father

and he says, my dad went to an all-boys Catholic school and they had to go to Mass every day as altered boys and apparently at the end of every month there was a massive, massive surplus of the body of Christ and it was sacrilegious to like throw away the body of Christ. Yeah, you don't do that. So the altar boys had to eat all of the remaining waifers literally hundreds of them, sleeves of them.

And so they would take a couple cans of cheese whiz and just made cheese and crackers sandwiches with the body of grace. That's what God intended. That's what our Lord and Savior wanted was for altar boys to just spray a bunch of fucking cheeseways on crackers. So they don't disrespect the Lord. That's what Jesus had mine when he started that ritual. You couldn't even you couldn't even transform the ingredient like in chopped. Maybe blend them up, make a make a powder or a crust. They can't send these like body of Christ leftovers to like a food bank or something? They make these altar boys eat it?

When you put it like that. God. That's that seems ridiculous. I need to see some transformation of the ingredients. Maybe a body of Christ dusted chicken. You know? I don't know. Oh, D.K. says fried chicken's no good. Yeah, before we got on the pod,

something came up about fried chicken and I was, and D.K. says like, oh, I don't like fried chicken. And then I... It's not my favorite. I asked I don't like fried foods. He doesn't like chicken tenders. You're like, oh, fried chicken. It affects my teeth. And I'm like, I get like a weird, like when I'm eating like a fried chicken sandwich, it like hurts my teeth for some reason. I don't know why.

Do you like candy? Some candy. Does that like chocolate? So there's something about, not in the same way. So like, because I actually, sometimes if I eat candy, like, I can like feel my molars screaming for help. That's exactly. That's exactly what my fried chicken. I've never heard that.

I don't know why that is. I just is something I experience. I would say I don't dislike. Like I don't hate chicken tenders. It's just not something I would like be excited. to order. I like chicken. Like if you were drunk and somebody was like, would you like some chicken tenders? I probably would eat that, yeah.

Okay. If I was drunk. If I have something to dip it in, I'm not eating it. But that's just because you're like 42 and we can't eat chicken tenders like sober all the time now. But when you were like 23, you wouldn't just like rip a chicken tender? 14. No, yeah. It's probably partly due to my age and I'm just like, I don't know.

Fried food makes me feel like shit. If I'm going to eat fried food, I'm going to eat a donut, not chicken. I don't know. It's just how I am. See, I'd rather have a chicken tender. I have, as you know, weird flavor palette. You do. I'm not as crazy as Kai, but...

Can I admit a fried food that everybody loves, and it's for some reason, it hasn't quite connected? I won't ever order it if it's available. I don't think they're bad by any means. It's totally fine. But for some reason, tater tots have never done it for me. Oh, 100%. Tater tots are the most overrated starch.

See, they're fried, too. Yeah. I think I get the same tooth pain when I eat tater tots, Craig. What is this tooth pain? That's not that wasn't factoring in my equation. I don't know. It's like when you start chewing them, it's in the back. It's like in your molars.

Do you think you go to the dentist? Or something gets hurt. I don't know. What's the last time you went to a dentist? Highfitz. Maybe you could ask your dad. I go to the dentist every six months. Tater tots are like liquid potato inside.

Like I don't think tater tots should hurt your molars. No, it's the fried stuff on the outside that hurt. But tater tots are not. nearly as fried as a chicken tender or like fried chicken sandwich or in it. That is really breaded and truly deep fried. Tater tots are just, I don't know. I feel like I have to lather them and cat.

Like tater tots don't do anything for me. They don't make me feel anything. It's like 80% fry and yet I still don't get. I don't know. I think nothing I want. They leave me wanting. I just feel like fried foods is, um,

it's like really dry and salty or something like that. I don't know. I don't like it. It makes me like thirsty. Well, yeah, that's, but I,

but I will say like it's not like, It's not like I don't like any fried foods. I love French fries. French fries are fucking good. There's a lot of fried foods that are good. Donuts are fucking good. I just don't particularly love fried chicken. What about like a chicken wing?

A chicken wing? No, not really. Like if I'm going to go get like a fried, like a like a KFC bucket of fried chicken, I'm not doing that. I love to do it's too dry. But I'm also probably not eating the right fried chicken, to be totally honest. You know, KFC is not necessarily tip top. But like even when I've gone to nice restaurants and get like a fried chicken, something.

Not that nice restaurant. I was going to say, I was like the threes and layups. We're going more mid-range with the French chicken. Well, I'm saying, like, if you go to like, you know, some of these, like, I don't know, modern American food restaurants that are doing some spin on something. You eat like a fried something.

I just don't like it as much. The next time you're in L.A., we'll go to a place called Hallen-Rays. They make a fantastic fried chicken sandwich. Yeah. And we'll see how you feel like that. I think that's the right move. So Austin said that per dentist's fried foods

are a top 10 food that hurts your teeth. But that's like, it hurts over time. You're talking about... Yeah, it damages your teeth. You're talking about physical pain while eating fried food. It's just a weird thing I get.

I don't know. All right. Interesting. Maybe my body is like, don't consume this. You might have a serious medical condition. We don't know about. Who knows?

We actually, do you want to have an email? You know, we have. We actually have an email about a serious medical condition. Oh, sure. I have. Someone else,

but maybe you have it too. This is from Andrew. Andrew. Andrew says, I have a gastro-medical condition that has a medication that is constantly being shown during NFL broadcasts. Oh, wow. Okay. My grandma, of all people, was watching a football game and said, I should ask my doctor about this medication.

So during my next doctor appointment, I did, in fact, ask my doctor about this medication. And my doctor said, in the most annoyed tone you could imagine, I'm picturing the guy from the hangover, that doctor. And the doctor says, you were the third guy in his 20s this week to ask me about this medication. Let me guess. You saw the commercial while you're at a bar and you Googled it drunk in the Uber on the way home. How be you cut back on the Coors light before we consider a change in your medication? Fair. Do we know what the, what is the medication?

I did not follow up on specific medication. So he did he, he doesn't have the medical condition or he thought he had. No, he had the medical condition that he just, if you have this, you should ask about this drug. And the doctor was like, you're an alcoholic. And the doctor was like. So anyway, so Andrew says. Dude on ask your doctor about the medications on television, they're probably going to be really mad you did it.

This doctor sounds like he sucks. This poor kid, Andrew, has a gastro-medical. What kind of bedside manner is this? Seriously. I have a gastro-medical condition, and I would be curious what that drug is. I'll follow up with it. Yeah, Craig, email this guy.

I have eocinophilic esophagitis. If anybody has that and you have remedies, email me. How do you say it again? Eocinophilic. Esophagitis, which sounds a lot worse than it is, although it does kind of suck. Basically, white blood cells on your esophagus, certain foods aggravate it. Fried foods.

I don't eat a lot of fried foods anymore because they aggravate it and make your throat close up and you have trouble swallowing dry foods and things. I can't have raw fish anymore. I used to. But yeah, if anybody's got EEOE, hit me up. This is like going to be the new, like, medical Reddit. Everybody has like GERD now. GERD? Yeah, GERD.

What is GERD? What's GERD. What's GERD? What's GERD is? Surprising amount of my friends have Gout, by the way. Yeah. Gert is, it's basically... Gout's an epidemic right now.

You know, so for your fantasy football at Gmail. If one, you can help Craig with eocinicophilus esophageitis. If I can pronounce that, that'd be, what an upset. GERD is basically like intense acid reflux. It's gastroesophageal reflux disease. And acid reflux, GERD, EOE, all that stuff is skyrocketing amongst young people. It's the plastic. It's 100% our diets.

Microplastics. I don't know. Yeah, email us the weird conditions you and your friends have that you had never heard of and couldn't explain to your parents. Craig's the guy, yeah, Craig's like I have white blood cells in my esophagus and it's kind of like nodding along and I'm like, the fuck does that be. This guy's crazy. You're going to spin out this planet.

Yeah, Austin just sent us a stat. 20% of people have Gerd. I'm telling you, it is very, very common. Oh, so they've expanded the definition. So more people have it now because they like, I mean, I'm sure. Like, they must have expanded the definition. Or maybe they just now. percent of people have it.

Diagnose people with this disease. Eosophilicose. One in a thousand people have it. Wow. You're special. That's bad beat. Sucks. Do you think that's where you get all the impressions from?

When you pull back and do JFK or Gus Johnson or Brady, it's actually the white blood cells are talking? Probably, yeah. That's my gift. It's a given take. Craig, have we heard an RFK Jr. impression from you? Good God.

I'm listening to the confirmation hearings. His voice is really something. No one else sounds like that. I know. It's really hard. I really. like Luther Bird in the third out of Missouri.

Oh my God. He reminds me a DJ more. Oh my God. Wow, that hurt. No, it's good. Keep going. That's pretty good. Michael Williams

kind of reminds me of the Demogorgian. Oh, my God. That's tough. That's strenuous. That's extremely good. I'm very impressed. You just got to add in just a touch of it sounds like you're about to cry.

Like you're on the verge of crying. Just a sprinkle of that. Freaked out that you just got to pull that out. That was actually really good. Have you ever practiced that? That was more impressive than the others. Dude, what the fuck? It's honestly less of an impression and more just like, can you fucking stop oxygen from going in your brain every other second while speaking?

Oh, my Lord. Oh my God. New impression just dropped, everyone. RFK Jr. Please don't make me do that anymore. All right, on that note. Thank you, DK. Thank you, Craig.

Thank you to Craig's white blood cells, so that incredible impression. Thank you to Kai. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Austin. Thank you for emailing in at ringerfancy football at gmail.com. Tell us about whatever, I don't know. Tell us about your medical conditions if they're...

Yeah, we're here to listen. Yeah, sure. We'll listen. We'll listen. And if anyone can help him, Craig, with the white blood cells, so lose the impressions, but you can eat fish again. I hear peppermint is supposed to be good. I drink peppermint tea.

There you go. Email us. Yeah, thoughts on Demogorgin' Mindflare. Email us whatever, man. How to fix the dunk contest. How to fix the dunk contest. The NFL should just have an all-star game.

It should be basketball. They should do the dunk contest at the Pro Bowl. It should be dunk contest and like a basketball game. Like an actual pickup game. When is the All-Star break? We're close. It's close. It's like February 20.

They should make it the same weekend. How cool would that be? Yeah. It's like the NFL. Imagine if the NFL players beat the NBA players. The crossover event we've been waiting for. Yeah. The defense would be so much more physical.

Like it'd be unbelievable. So they can't shoot. None of the NFL players can shoot, though. Don't tell them I said that, but they can't shoot. Everything else they're really good at. Thank you, Lord. Lord. Thank you, Bad Bunny.

NFL draft.thoravrear.com. Bad Bunny's there. You like Bad Bunny? I wouldn't say I'm like a huge listener, but of the stuff I have heard, I like a lot. Yeah. Yeah, he just came out of the new album, right? Oh, he did?

I think he did. Or I don't know, recently, ish. Dude, bad bunny just showing up in that Brad Pitt movie, Bullet Train, was unbelievable. Oh, yeah, that was random. That was amazing. Yeah. God, Craig? No.

That movie came out two years ago. Fucking fine. It's fine. The guy who walked out of... The guy who walked out of his professor's class. He is... That guy... Okay.

It couldn't be more different. One, this movie is... First of all, explain what happened. Okay, hold on. For the people that didn't listen to that. In college, I was in some class. It was like 200 people in the classroom. The professor asks how many students in the class have not seen six cents.

Maybe 20 kids raise their hand. And then he spoils the movie for everybody, which I guess I won't do right now because then I'd be doing what he did. It was 25 years ago. It was. So anyway, he spoils that movie. I was very upset. And then he tried to spoil Fight Club for me, but I left before he did.

Good. Lockdown. That one matters. That one matters. But, yeah, Bad Bunny dying in like the first 20 minutes of fucking bullet train. but yeah, that movie's that movie is inconsequential as is bad bunny.

It was good. It was good. Would you say it's an important film in American culture? No, his death doesn't really matter with the plot. He's cool.

He kind of shows up. Yeah, yeah, totally. 100%. But yeah, it's not the same. As him spoiling the greatest twist in movie history. What's up? I don't even know what that means anymore.

It's a movie important in American culture. I'm like, I don't even know to answer that. Barbies is important Oppenheimer's probably important Barbenheimer's important What else? Okay

Top Gun Maverick was important I would say Why? For whatever Open the movies? Yeah, that's true Saved movie theaters post-COVID I'll accept that

I don't know It's hard I guess I gotta think of movies It didn't make a billion dollars And be like Are there any of those important? Those you need time You gotta see how they resonate

you know it's hard the difference now is I feel like the rewatchables Bill and Sean and them grew up on cable watching movies right obviously you don't like movies don't just pop up in front of your face anymore you'd have to go find them no yeah TV became what movies were it used to be like oh before sunrise is on I remember let oh watch that again and then you're like that man that's such a good movie any movie that came out like 2018 or something like it's not just popping up anymore streaming change. You used to rewatch movies,

but now it's like you rewatch TV. Yeah, you just throw on the office and then go about your day. Yeah. So I think it's going to actually be very hard for, there's going to be a lot of movies that we love and remember. I'll look back and be like,

oh, the menu. That was a random movie that I really liked. But I'm not going to rewatch it probably, one, because there's too many options of new shit coming out. And also, the menu's never going to be on TNT in front of my face when I'm channel surfing. It's just hard.

It sucks. Anyway, they all die at the end of the menu. Except a couple people. This is a good bit of, just spoiling like random movies. Yeah. The menu's great. Mark Myelag directed. Also skating dangerously close to one of your best hot takes that you still have in the chamber.

Yeah, I know. We can save it. We'll save it. The Jack's barrel. We'll keep it the gun to the gun to full. Look, I'm doing the Lord's work trying to get hottest take back off the ground at this company. But I don't know why we're not. Greg does have a heater in the chamber.

I got like, yeah. I have the only hottest take that that we taped that they never ran because it was too hot. which I probably shouldn't say. Do I know it? My episode of The Hottest Take was the last one that posted before COVID happened. And then they were like, I guess this is too serious to have like hot takes. Was yours about chicken wings? No.

No. Well, I had Girl Scout cookies suck. Like fried chicken. Oh, Girl Scout cookies are bad. And that one was like a deal on Delta Airlines that was like, hottest take was high up. But then my episode was at the top for like a year because they didn't post it for a year. So that I kept hearing, anyone time.

I had friends who had a Delta flight. If anyone, like, clicked a certain button, they were like, you hate Girl Scouts? What the fuck? And then I would know they just got enough of a Delta flight. I think it's a good take. I don't agree with it, but I think it's a good take. Here's my thing. They're not bad.

All cookies are good. They're cookies. It's like all pizza is good. It's pizza. But like, they're not good. What you're buying is the guilt-free ability to eat a cookie as an adult. You're like, I'm eating these cookies because I'm a good person. I'm buying these cookies.

I'm a good person. You can't buy chips a hoy at a 40 as a 40, as a 41-year-old person and be like, yeah, I'm going to eat this whole thing. It's fine. Like, you can't do that. And you're like, it's a social network. You can't buy six boxes of chips away. Yeah, you can't just feel fun to be an adult and pay cookies.

You're like, yeah, yeah, kids. It's for you. No, it's for you. And they're taking the guilt off you. And if they were actually good enough that you wanted to eat them independent of the Girl Scouts and the guilt, they would be available year-wide, year-round. And they're not because the market couldn't support that. Is this a hot take or is this just an explanation of why Girl Scout cookies

sell the way they sell. Do you know how offended people get when I say this? Do you many emails we're going to get being like how do you? I'm like... I don't agree with you that they're not good enough to be on a shelf. I do think thin mince are better than the average cookie in a grocery store. That's fair. But like overall girl-scale cookies are like

they're not actually good on the standard of cookies. If you grade them on the curve of how good cookies are, it's like chips a Hoyer good because they're cookies. But don't you think on the scale of like not freshly baked cookies, like preserve store-bought shelf cookies, they're the upper echelon. No.

I love chocolate and peanut butter. Tagalogs weren't even good until they fixed the thing two years ago, but it's like chocolate of peanut butter. It's not bad. It's amazing. What is your favorite? What to you is an elite store-bought cookie? Not the bakery of the grocery store. I'm talking like in a bag on the shelf. Yeah. I would say

if you like them crispy, tates are like the, if you like that kind of cookie with like the key, you want it to snap. You know, if you want to snap. They're very crumbly. And then I mean, not to be a corporate shill, but, dude, Oreos, please. I know that's not what we're talking about.

Oreo is barely a cookie. I don't even know what the fuck. I don't know what it is. They say it's a sandwich. It can have a cream filling. I'm saying like a cookie. Like a thin mint is a cookie. I'm going to say it. Kepler elf cookies are really good. Yeah, those still hit. Yeah, those are solid. It's the same thing, though. It's like a sandwich cookie. You know what I really like? The circle ones with

like the... The drizzle? Yeah, those are good. And then there's also a bunch of Kepler elf cookies that have like the chocolate on the inside. I can't even fucking remember what they're called. You know what ones I fucking love? Storebot in a bag. E. Feebler.

No, E.L. Fudge. E.l Fudge. I'm beginning of Elf when they're like, oh, yeah, the ovens in the old oak tree. Yeah, that was going to burn down. Dude, the mothers, animal cookies with the frosting on them? Mothers. In the pink bag. Are like my entire childhood.

I love those. I've never seen these. Oh, really? What are these? Oh, my God. They're so good. D.K., do you know about these? What are they called?

These, Rises knocked these off. they're amazing. Reese's made chocolate peanut butter animal cookies and I think those are knock off of what you're talking about. DK. Search mothers animal cookies.

Wow. It's a pink bag. They're so good. I haven't had them in a long time. Damn. Oh yeah, we have these at home. They're so good.

Calvin loves these. Calvin loves these. These are not my jam. I really like chocolate stuff. So, but like the EL Fudge, all the Keebler elf cookies are, to me that's like, can life get better than eating those?

Wow. But that's probably like. Thoughts on Girl Scout cookies. It's like a nostalgia thing for my childhood, probably more, you know? Yeah. I used to have, my parents used to stock a bunch of EL Fudge and like different Kibler elf cookies. And my friends would just come over just to hate to eat the cookies.

Do you remember the wafers that had chocolate in the middle? Remember the two wafers with the chocolate cream in the between? Yeah, that's the EL Fudge. Look it up. They were wafers? I thought EL Fudge was more of like a baked cookie, like a, like a. Well, I'm seeing E.L. Fudge or the Wafers with the Chesh or the chocolate inside.

And then I know what you're talking about, Craig. There's like another one that has like a chocolate inside that's really good. I actually, I was going to say, I don't love the chocolate wafer's with the chocolate. I don't love the wafers. The wafers. I don't know. I need more body. I don't care for the wafers.

I know. I need some more body. There was like some, there was a kevler ones that had like fudge on the inside. And I don't know what happened to those, but they're the best. You know those tubes? How do you, how do you pronounce this word? Pyrillines? you know those

You know the long sticks The chocolate swirl throughout them? I don't know Perillines It's hard to It's like P-I-R-O-U-L-I-N-E Peerulean Oh yeah

Those are good Those are all right Those are like Pocky basically We could do an hour Of just Googling cookies Me like you know those Those are pretty good

I'm just on Walmart's page right now Just looking at cookies Damn The three kids Steading around the table The meme of just like, do you like cookies? I like cookies.

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