The Ringer NFL Show - Top Sleepers on New Teams

Episode Date: June 29, 2022

We check in on all of the NFL players on new teams this upcoming season, and highlight the sleepers who could exceed their current fantasy expectations in 2022. Later, we answer a few listener questions. Check out The Ringer’s Fantasy Football Draft Guide! Email us! [e-mail] Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

From the host that brought you to Coding Westworld. And Westworld, the recapables. Comes the Ringer Prestige TV podcast on Westworld. I'm Joanna Robinson. I'm Danny Hyfitz. And I'm David Shoemaker. Welcome to Westworld Season 4 in the Prestige TV podcast feed, where we're going to break down every episode of Westworld season four.

Every Monday, the day after the show comes out on the prestige TV podcast feed. Wherever we get your podcast, but get them on Spotify. Welcome to the Ring of Fantasy Football Show. my name is Danny Heifitz, and I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Coralbeck. And a lot of players have changed teams this offseason. I feel like it's like, it's almost July. And I'm right at that point where I start checking teams and I'm like, I forgot that this guy plays for that team. For example, Juju Smith-Schuster is on the Chiefs.

Did you right now listening to this know that? I bet many of you did not. And it's like, Devante Adams goes to the Raiders, Tyree Kill goes to the dolphins, Agent Brown goes to the Eagles. And we kind of just forget to talk about all the other players that are actually almost more exciting to talk about. So we're going to do that today. More interesting. I don't know about exciting, but more interesting. That's a good tweak.

Because really it's like, Devante Adams leaves the Packers. You can't, he's not going to get better in real life or fantasy. Just like, can he be as good is the question, which isn't very interesting, honestly, to talk about. Will Devante Adams be like slightly worse than like the best receiver in the NFL? Yeah, usually when you're already on a team and you're, you're, you're, you're, you're doing so well that you get a $25 million contract. Usually the next situation is not better than the first one. You know what I mean?

A.J. Brown, Tyree Kill, Devante Adams. Are any of their new situations better than the first one? I would argue no. So we're going to go through a lot of these players who kind of switch teams this off season and it's just underrated, those guys that you see them show up to training camp. And you're like, I forgot that guy was there. And we're going to just say which ones we like. So let's just lead it off.

D.K. This is a guy that I've talked about a lot over the last few years. I'm not going to say he's necessarily like unknown or under the radar necessarily, but Marquis Brown is now an Arizona Cardinal. It was kind of, it did kind of fly.

Yeah, I never left. This was the first argument. This is the first time D.K. ever just like, sonned me. And he was wrong, but it was fine. Oh, thanks. Thanks for that little addition there, hi, Fitz. I mean, I think there's shades of gray about my wrongness. He hasn't been

a terrible, terrible player. He just never really lived up to the hype that I was giving him. Except last year, you kind of hopped off the train and then he kind of outperform. As we hopped on. God, yeah, I know. Just ships in the night we are. Regardless of all that history,

I'm actually pretty excited about him this year with the Cardinals. He's going to a team that, and part of the reason he's now a Arizona Cardinals is because he asked for a trade from the Ravens in large part because they have been historically a pretty run-heavy team. I don't think it necessarily has to

with Lamar Jackson. It's more just like the philosophy of their offense and what they want to be. Greg Roman is their offensive coordinator. I just think Mark East Brown saw that situation and was like, I'm not going to be able to like put up the types of elite numbers that I want to in that offense. Yeah, the run heaviest team of like the last 10 years, basically. Yeah, I mean, last year, so I was looking at their neutral situation pass rate over the last few years. Last year, they actually weren't all that low relative to the Cardinals, 51% last year versus the Cardinals 55%. But if you go back to the last two years prior to that, the Ravens were one of the highest run, like, frequency teams in the NFL. They passed on 42% of situation neutral situations, 41% in 2019.

Sorry, what's a situation neutral situation? Sorry, situation neutral when there is no situation. No, it's basically I eliminate- Forget the math. What are you talking about? Like games tied second quarter, something like that. Correct. Okay.

It's, I eliminate fourth downs. or sorry, third and fourth downs, element it fourth quarter, and the game is within eight points. So it's not like one team is trying to come back furiously from a big deficit. It's not like a third down where the amount of yards you have left

is dictating whether you're going to throw a pass. It's basically this is a neutral situation. So when the play is unaffected by game script because you're losing or it's third down. So basically you're saying in a vacuum, what is the thing you want to do to get yardage? You know, when you're not influenced by anything, what do you do?

Exactly. This is the philosophy. This is what the team wants to be. be. And so in 2020 and 2019, the Ravens were one of the run heaviest teams in those situations. Last year is different because I think there was more situations and Lamar Jackson

wasn't playing. They were passing a little bit more when Tyler Huntley came in. So that was like just a different scenario. But again, going back to 2020, 2020, 2019, which I think everyone assumes this is what the Ravens are going to go back to this year, right? Because they traded Marquis Brown.

They're just going to want to turn back into the super run heavy team, I think. So if you look back at 2020, the Ravens had 406 pass attempts, which was dead last. 2019, 440 pass attempts, dead last. Cardinals are going to pass more. There's going to be much more volume than Marquis Brown had. But what's weird is the Cardinals actually had fewer pass attempts than the Ravens did last year. Yeah.

But I agree that it's going to completely diverge. I think that's an outlier. I think that's not going to be like the norm for the Ravens. And I think the Cardinals, you know, are just a better situation for him. And we're bearing the lead here because DeAndreux, Hopkins is suspended for the first six games of the year. So Arizona trades for him. And then they have basically, it's like Christian Kirk left for the Jaguars.

So, I mean, we're talking about Marquis Brown, Rondell Moore, who is something better than a gadget player, but not a full-fledged receiver yet. And then AJ Ground, AJ Green, who is old. Can I be honest? I can't remember. Every time I've tried to remember this during the off season, I have a mental block against it. I can never remember if AJ Green is still on the Cardinals or not. I think he is.

He's there. I think I've looked it up seriously like four or five times this offseason because I can't remember. Not to mention, I don't know if you guys care about this, but Marquis Brown and Kyler Murray were college teammates. Yep. Built-in chemistry, which we love. If you like that, if that's your thing, if that's your fantasy kink, you know, you got to Joe Burrow, Jamar Chases. There's a couple of those in the league. If that's what you're into, then this is going to be a great relationship.

I think the fit is perfect. Oh, I want to add one more thing before we'd move. move on. I saw this from Graham Barfield at Fantasy Points. Basically, and I'll cut through all the stats, but essentially Brown, Marquise Brown has been a very highly

targeted deep ball receiver throughout the years. However, he hasn't caught very many of those passes. He's been like one of the lowest percentage receivers in terms of deep ball, just efficiency and all that over the last few years. The guy's got

butterfingers. Well, that's part of it, but also just like the deep... The deep passing has been sort of very erratic for Lamar Jackson. Come on. Maybe it's both, but it's definitely not just Lamar's fault. Marky's has some butterfingers, but Kyler's deep ball is... He can't throw it as far as Josh Allen, but Kyler's deep ball is as good as anybody else's deep ball.

Like, I test and numbers, and Lamar's on the bottom 10 in the league at that. Here's the stats for you. I don't disagree with you. I'm just saying the guy drops a lot of passes. I'm not saying you're incorrect. However, per SIS, this is from Graham Barfield. I don't know who SIS is.

What does that mean? SIS is sports SIF solutions. They do stat tracking. Nerds. Oh, yes, the famous SIS. 37% of Brown's targets over the last two years have been catchable.

And 50% of those, he dropped. Well, I'm just saying there's still like a lot of them are uncatchable. We're all saying the same thing here. It's going to be a lot better on the Cardinals, Kyler. The Ravens are a ground raid and the Cardinals do an air raid. It's a fake air raid, but still, ground raid to air raid is good, especially when Hopkins is suspended. And I think

we're all just afraid that Marquise Brown is not elite, but he was the first receiver taken in his draft and he's probably going to be really good. D.K., like, give me your, like, what is your expected ceiling here? Like, what do you think is possible for Marquise on Arizona? I think he can, honestly, like, I think his ceiling is a low end wide receiver one. Like, I think he could be top 12. Um, so what do you think? And like, like 80 catches, 1,200 yards, nine touchdowns, something like that. That sounds good. I would actually have to look at what happened in the top 12 last year in terms of like

what would be the expected like actual numbers. But yeah, I mean, that sounds right. Christian Kirk is gone. Christian Kirk had been primary deep threat for the Cardinals more or less last year coming out of the slot. I think that Marquis Brown is really fast, really dynamic. And again, that built in chemistry with Kyler Murray is going to be big. And Kyler Murray, by the way, as, as Hyphitz said earlier, has been one.

of the most accurate deep ball passers in the NFL over the last few years. 66% of his deep throws last year per SIS were catchable. So it's just a better fit for it. We're still doing SIS. People know. People know about SIS. It's not like this unheard of thing. No.

SIS sounds like SAS like in Call of Duty games. I wish we had the live polling. Remember we used to do the polling on Spotify. We were like beta testing that. I wish we could ask the question live. Do you know what SIS is yes or no? I just think acronyms are so presumptuous. It's like I do know what sports info solutions is.

It's just, you know, it's okay. If I say PFF, have you heard of that? Yes. Do I need to say everything fully? NFL. I know that one. That's the only one you can do. Although ironically, that's the one people like to say out loud.

People are like, in the national football league. And it's like that one you can abbreviate. You know how the Wall Street Journal has like little, or maybe it's the New York Times. I can't remember. They have like little periods after each NFL in their, in their, that's like their style guide is super annoying. Is it the New York Tigers or the Walshies Journal? I don't know.

This is really good stuff right here. The NYT or the WSJ. All right, Craig. Let's pivot here. Pivot. pivot from that. Dot H. Horleback or whatever. Sure.

So the next guy who changed teams, who is not your classic elite star, who I think is in a fantastic position, is my boy Alan Robinson. Alan Robinson is now on the ramps. He was on the Bears previously. Before that is on the Jaguars. Not great sleigh.

for Alan. Reading the tea leaves, reading some of the reports already, they seem to love Alan Robinson. Liam Cohen is the new Rams offensive coordinator. And basically he's like,

Alan Robinson is not dissimilar from Cooper Cup. They're both similarly sized guys. They can move everywhere. They're physical. What I like about Alan Robinson is he's proven it with shitty quarterbacks.

He's played with Blake Bortles, Chubisky, Nick Foles, Justin Fields, Chase Daniel, Andy Dalton, and Chad Henney. Those are the people who have thrown passes to Alan Robinson. And now he has, Who's the best one?

Is the best quarterback on that list, Dalton? Dalton or Trubisky? Or that, I don't know, yeah, that one. I mean, he had 14 touchdowns with Bordels that one year in like 2014. But I think this man is ready for an awakening. And when you think of Alan Robinson, don't you kind of think, oh, he's old? A little bit of you. Oh, I think Alan Robinson's a little old.

He's two months younger than Cooper Cup. Oh, really? Yeah. So that's weird. He's currently 28, Alan Robinson. Cooper Cup is 29. And like I said, they're both pretty similar. Other than they've suffered that one ACL tear in their careers,

these guys are top 10 talents. I think both of them, I think his stock is going to rise. He's like a fourth, fifth rounder right now in drafts, Alan Robinson and fantasy drafts. I think he's going to creep into like late third, early fourth. This is a team that lost Robert Woods. They lost O'Dell Beckham. And the Rams throw the ball a ton in the red zone.

And Robinson is a 50-50, go up and get it red zone threat. I think we're going to see a lot of big games out of A-Rob this year. and I'm going big on him. He had like classic, classic body language. Bill Simmons is the body language doctor. If you watched Alan Robinson in Chicago last year, it was like Randy Moss on the radio. Just hated his life.

The dude did not want to play football anymore. He had like COVID. He was like banged up. I think he's going to be reborn this year. Craig, if there is a offseason like prop bet for Alan Robinson scoring 10 plus touchdowns, we got to find that one. Oh my God. I'm in.

Odell Beckham scored five touches. could not have been set up more to fail, though, in Chicago. He didn't even get any practice stuff as Justin Fields in the month of August, basically. So it's like, I'll take his numbers from that I should throw them out. And he was hurting he had COVID. That's what we're doing. I think that's what we have to assume that. You know, he just basically was checked out.

Getting back to the touchdown thing real quick, Odell Beckham had five touchdowns and eight games. And I think that they're going to use Alan Robinson, not that I'd like is going to directly translate to the rate that he's going to catch touchdowns. But like, it just wouldn't surprise me whatsoever. If he's kind of like the big touchdown catch machine. in this offense for them. He's big, he's tall. You know, he's always been really good at the catch point, all that stuff. Dude, the age thing is so funny.

Especially with Cooper Cup, I was talking to Hyfitts about, this is like a total tangent, but I was talking to Hyfitz about D.K. Metcalfe and Hyfitz was like, oh, is D.K. Metcalfe overrated, blah, blah, blah. D. Koeh Maccalf is like 24 years old right now. Cooper Cup came into the NFL when he was 24. So, like, imagine if D.K. Metcalf is just, like, starting his NFL career. Everyone's like, oh, DeAndre Hopkins is old. It's like, dude, he's a year older than Cooper Cup.

We're all talking about taking Cooper Cup first overall, and he's 29. Yeah. Cooper Cup also just learned to run faster at 28 years old. That's rare. Just learn to run differently, like the Steph Curry ankle walking thing. Yeah, right. Can we break in to a breaking news situation right now? Oh.

While we're recording. Yeah, while we're recording, Adam Schefter tweets. Hold on. Read it verbatim. Let me pull. I love that D.K. Just on Twitter. Read the Scheftertree.

Read the Scheftert for Bavit. No, I get, hey, by the way, I'm a psycho, and I followed Haifitz's advice, and I started having notifications on my phone from Twitter, which is just a terrible way to live. I can't do that. But also, like, I just saw this. Okay. Adam Schaefter. And I quote, Commanders Terry McLauren is signing a three-year extension worth up to 71 million a new money that places him amongst the NFL's top five highest paid by receivers. sources tell ESPN.

Buddy Baker and Tony. Bonagura of exclusive sports group finalize the deal today with Washington SVP Rob Rogers. Lots of names in there. Lots of random, random throw-ups. One of Shepter's more normal tweets, though. Yeah, I was going to say, I actually understood it on the first go. I don't think he actually, I don't think he wrote this.

I think someone else wrote it for him. No, it's probably copy and pasted. This is not his writing. What if Schaeftor's a great writer? It's just a lot of copy and pasting. No, so I mean, McLauran... This is another guy who might have the best quarterback of his career. Yeah, that's why I wanted to do. bring him up right now is because it's kind of he's kind of similar to how in Robinson in some

ways i think that's exactly right because i mean it's funny when everyone basically agrees yeah he's got carson wince who everyone's given up on best quarterback of his career i think the thing with terry mclorant washington had to keep him because he's just beloved he's really good he has basically all the skills that you want in a wide receiver but he also just is like a positive vibe in the locker room like he's a he's kind of beloved he's a good leader and like i don't know if you are aware, they don't have a great leadership sitch with the whole commander thing. What? And so I don't, yeah.

So I think letting me go would have been profoundly stupid. Terry McLaren also weirdly old for a third year player. He's already 26. He came into the NFL as a 24 year old. So he's Cooper Cup-ish in that way. So he came in as a DK McHaff. Yeah. No, but I think that's good for McLaurin.

I think McClurend, who has. has had already two 1,000 yards seasons plus a nine. He was, he, he, he, uh, caught 919 yards as a rookie. He's basically had three 1,000 yards seasons to start his career. This dude is really good. He has DJ more vibes where every year he's on a shitty team of the shitty quarterback, but he still puts up numbers. So it's, it's funny because like, this is part of this bigger picture where the receiver

market was completely reset. And then you had all these guys who were really good from the class of 2019. You had D.K. Metcalfe. You have A.J. Brown. You've Terry McLaurin. And you have Debo Samuel. All these second, Eric S.D. He was third round picks popped.

And so obviously, A.G. Brown gets traded. D.K. Meck-F. wants a new deal. Terry McGorne just got his new deal. Debo requests to trade, and the Niners are probably going to just resign him and not trade him. But the irony to me is, like, all this happened when Christian Kirk signed his contract for $18 million a year. And then every receiver in the NFL was like, well, if he's getting that, then I need a raise. and then within two weeks later, Devante Adams and Tyrakeel left. He's like the personification of inflation,

Christian Kirk. You know, now everyone's like, hey, we're up 9% this year. We can charge more? Hell yeah. Can you imagine like Devante Adams being like seeing Christian Kirk's contract and being like,

I mean, I don't need Aaron Rogers. I don't need to like, this guy. But the irony is, I think we've made so much fun of the Christian Kirk contract with the Jaguars, I actually think Christian Kirk is on this list.

The Christian Kirk is actually a value in fantasy football right now. I agree. Make your pitch. I agree, I agree, but go on. Can I give you, so look, pitch is simple. Is Christian Kirk worth $18 million a year? No, he's not. He's not worth $18 million a year.

I thought that was a trick question, but no. He's not. No, he's not. However, are the Jaguars paying him $18 million a year? I think so, yeah. No, it's actually more than that over the next two years. It's more of that. And here's my hard, cutting-edge fantasy analysis.

That's a shitload of money. And they probably want him to be their number one receiver if they're going to give him really like $40 million over two years. And so he's like going outside the top 100. We have him ranked much. We have fantasyf football.3.com. We have Christian Kirk ranked around pick 80. A lot of other places got him around pick 100.

I don't understand why. If someone wants to explain this to me, it's fine. But he's the number one player. He's the number one receiver on this team. And Trevor Lawrence is going to be good this year. Like our buddy Nate Tice, who is one of the best football minds out there, picked Trevor Lawrence in a great article at the athletic to be the number one break, in real life, the number one breakout player of the NFL.

I think Nate is exactly on the money. The way Justin Herbert got like the treatment the last year or two of like this kid's special. going to have that collective realization about Trevor Lawrence this year because it was hit it. Urban Meyer was a disaster. But now they got Doug Peterson as the head coach. He's running the offense.

He won a Super Bowl with Eagles like five years ago. And just baseline competence, we're going to, the main story of the Jaguars this year will be Trevor Lawrence. He's unbelievable. And this little subplot will be, huh, kind of funny that we made fun of that contract, but Christian Kirk's just top ten and catches and yards this year. But for fantasy, he's getting, it's like Brandon Cooks. There's just one problem, Christian.

you aren't any good. The happy Gilmore quote. We had a meeting yesterday. Craig just said that about 17 times I never did. I laughed every single time. Christian Kirk is leading the category, maybe not leading it,

firmly at the top of like, we don't even know if he's good at football. And with running backs, we always talk about, if he's getting the contract, he's going to get the carries that usually evens out, right? The money usually equals touches.

At wide receiver... I don't know if that's true for running back. Yeah, we're always like, oh, they're paying this guy $12 million a year. Like, he's going to play. I don't know. Even like Chase Edmonds got like a big deal with the dolphins. Like I think that means Chase Edmonds will be on the field a lot. I'm saying, do you think Christian Kirk's inflated contract will actually equate to increased opportunity in production?

Even if he's not that good. Yes. If, yeah, short answer is yes. I think if he was on a different team, Craig, and we were having this exact same conversation, I'd be like, well, you know, like blah, blah, blah. I want to read to you the names of some of the other Jaguars receivers. Tell me what you think of these names. Leviska Channinot, who might not even be a starter.

Leviska Chesdall is probably returning kicks to begin this year. I want you to know that. Lequant Treadwell, Zay Jones, who they also gave a lot of money to, mysteriously, and Marvin Jones, who's now over 30 years old. In fact, I don't know how old, he's like 31. So, no, he's 32. So, like, honestly, I think it's almost just by default. he's going to be the highest targeted player on that team.

I do think he's better than all those other guys, is my point. Like, I don't think he's necessarily an elite receiver, but I do think he's their best receiver right now. I'm more just poking holes. I do agree with this. And I think, because, I mean, let's be honest, this whole episode today we're talking about guys we like. But one thing that's also nice is if you listen to other pods out there

talking about kind of like trends in drafting and how to handle kind of receivers in the middle of late rounds, if you can find a guy on a team who's the number one receiver, and he's not getting drafted until, like, six, seven, eight, ninth round, those guys usually pan out. And that is exactly what Christian Kirk is. It's just we made too much fun of him and people are afraid to like say he's good now. But he's, he's going to be good for fantasy. Well, it's a combination of that. Plus, people probably don't have a ton of confidence in the Jags in general. And, you know, obviously Trevor Lawrence didn't

do a whole lot last year to inspire confidence, unless you like really dig into the tape. And speaking to Nate, like, Nate was good. He, well, he had flashes, I would say, for sure. And like, you know, Nate was sharing some clips on Twitter and they're just hilarious. Like there's just clips of Jags players. I think it was Nate. It's like Jags players like running routes and like ending up in the exact same spot. Like the coaching is just terrible. The talent there wasn't very good last year.

I think they've upgraded their talent quite a bit. And just it was just a mess. Like Urban Meyer like legitimately didn't know what he was doing. Like we can't, you cannot overstate like how bad of a job he did coaching. his team. Like he didn't seem to know who the players were. Yeah, to clarify when I said Trevor Lawrence was good. I mean, he made the best of the, and you seriously could argue, the worst coaching performance of the 21st century. And honestly, maybe longer than that. Like, Urban Myers is probably the top five worst coach season in, like, the history of the NFL.

And despite Trevor, more than half Trevor Lawrence's picks basically came in when they were losing, you know, the second worst defense in the NFL. So basically, most of his picks came in unwinnable situations where they were down by a shitload anyway. And he also, as D.K. said, like, Everlorence just was threading the degree of difficulty was insane and he was fine, which is incredible if you think about it. He was also just playing yolo ball too a lot. He was just like, fuck it. Like, I need to like push the envelope, which is why he had a lot of turnovers, but it's also

like, he just knew, like, he just knew like, we're not going to do anything unless I, like, actually, like, really, you know, basically just go all out here and try to, like, make some throws that are basically impossible. So, no, I overall, though, like, I agree with the overall, like, point. I think Christian Kirk is going to get peppered with targets. I think this offense is going to be a lot better. I think Trevor Lawrence is going to be one of the most approved players in the NFL. So all this stuff adds up.

So Hyvitz, where would you take Kirk in drafts? Where are you comfortable selecting him? Like right around 80. It depends. I mean, realistically, you could probably wait a little bit and try to like sneak a little value out of that. But I mean, I guess I'm more think of it as like if Christian, I want five receivers in the top 100.

Like when I get to the 100th pick, I probably want half my team to be receivers by that point. if Christian Kirk is your fourth, if Christian Chris is your fifth receiver on your team, and that's really what I'm saying here. I don't know if it's known so much about the pick, but the construction of your team, if you really like your receivers

and then the fifth person you throw there is the number one receiver for Trevor Lawrence, that's incredible. I'm looking at our rankings. We'll do an update here. We have 77. Yeah, I'm going to throw out a couple would you rathers real quick.

Would you rather take Christian Kirk or Juju Smith-Schuster? I think I meant Kirk. Christian Kirk or Gabriel Davis, who is the number two on the bills. I think Kirk. Because Gabe Davis is super hyped up right now. He is. I love him, but there's just a lot of mouths to feed him in Buffalo.

Christian Kirk or Darnow Mooney. Kirk. Christian Kirk or Chris Godwin, who is likely to miss some of the early part of the season. Kirk, I don't want to deal with him. I think, like, we got him too low. I think we got to move him up is like the bottom. line here. I don't think we got to move them up. I think that we're... Maybe we move some other guys down. I think we'd make Gabe Dave over Christian Kirk.

I think I would too. And I would take Moody over Christian Kirk. You take Moody over him? Yeah, probably. I don't know. I think that they're pretty similar though. I think they're very similar cases. But overall, I think that's the larger point is that I think Christian Kirk's the last in this tier of like, in the last tier of receivers where I'm like, if this is like your bench guy, you're freaking set. And that's how I feel about him. Like, he's going to be on your bench to start the year, and you're going to be like, wow, I have too many receivers.

I don't know who to play. Anyway, so Juju. I think Juju's an interesting case. Yeah, so Juju's on the Chiefs. Another guy, he's another guy I'm struggling to find reasons to dislike. I mean, Juju could be a huge bargain. I really think so. He's going in the fifth, six roundish right now,

which is, I guess, a little steep considering, like, his recent production. But he's a guy who's done it on the big stage before. You know, he had that one year with the Steelers where he had over 1,400 yards, over 110 catches. He was playing next to Antonio Brown, and people love to point out that he can't be the guy, but he's great at being the next guy on a team. Well, he's on a team with Travis Kelsey now.

So that could still work. You know, he has the best quarterback of his career, no shade to Ben, but Juju's also only 25 years old. Totally shade to Ben. Shade to Ben is fine. I'm saying when Juju had that year with Ben, Ben, Ben, was still good. Obviously, at Mahomes good. Well, Mahomes is better than Ben. He is.

Not only is that not shade to Ben, but if it was shade to Ben, it's okay to give Ben's shade. Juju can play in the slot It's where he's comfortable He's not good outside He's the number one guy And he can play in this lot In Kansas City They got Marquezvada Scantling

On the outside They got Sky Moore McColl Hardman All these guys are like deeper threats Like Juju can live in the middle With Kelsey and operate In that Tyree Kill role I think this is kind of the perfect position for him

He's clearly the best wide receiver on the team But he's not the number one option Because of Travis Kelsey Tyree Kill had 160 targets last year Like I don't think 80 to 90 catches Is unreasonable for Juju And if it's not unreasonable where should he go in drafts?

Like if I'm saying, hey, you're going to get 80 to 90 catches on the Chiefs coming from Patrick Mahomes' hand on a 25-year-old wide receiver who's done it before, like Ju-Ju's another guy who could be your fourth, fifth wide receiver and your team, and by week three, you have to start him because he's too good. Juju's tough, man. Has there ever been another receiver with a type of career he's had?

Like he starts out so just scorching hot for multiple seasons. And beloved, beloved. It can't go understated how injured he has been in the past two years. he has fought through a lot. And so if he can start the year healthy, I don't know. But also Kinko understated that half the teams in the league

genuinely care about the TikTok stuff and are actually not interested in him because he wants to be on social media star and the dancing on it. Forgetting all that, I think that this is a trap. Like, I would love, it's just too obvious.

This is way too obvious that every year in draft, like Juju's at a level of fame that's so past his actual level of play that realistically, you can rank them wherever you want. Someone's taking them ahead because you're in a league with 10, 12 people, whatever,

and one of them's like, holy cow, juju and Bahams, and you just take them early. It's like, there's, juju's not going to be on any of my teams. Because, you know, when you're, you know what in a movie when bad guys are like looking for the action star or whatever, and they're outnumbered? And they're like, what am I going to do? And then the car rolls like really slowly and everyone approaches the car and it explodes. And they're like, oh, like they were just sniping at gas in the car from far away. way. You know what I mean?

That's juju with the Chiefs. You lost me. I'll be honest. That got way more specific than me. Yes, I generally understand. Trying to picture what movie you're talking about. I just look, man. Honestly, they did it in Westworld the other day. But it happens in every movie. They blow up the car because everyone approaches.

And it's like, the point is it's too obvious. Like, don't just approach the car. Like, like, juju on the Chiefs, I just feel like you're not going to get a value. It's just you're going to be buying the name value. of three really sexy nouns. Juju, Mahomes, Kansas City Chiefs.

Like, I don't know. I don't know. Is there name value? Are people currently right now, like, man, Juju is going to be so good on the Chiefs? I feel like people are out on Juju. I think he's a post-type sleeper.

I don't know. It kind of depends. So I'm looking at Underdog's ADP right now, and that's best ball during the off-season. He is the wide receiver 27. I don't know. Is that higher or lower than you were thinking? I think that's about right.

57 overall. Read the guys above him. That feels kind of high to me. You're the guys above him. Like right above him? Like Brandon Cooks, Rashad Bateman, Gabe,

D.K. McCaff, Alan Robinson. Yeah. I think. He's above, he's above guys like Chris Godwin, Darno Mooney,

Murray Cooper, Amon Ross St. Brown, Elijah Moore, Devonte Smith, Drake London. Like, these are some big names.

I'd have him over all those people. Tyler Lockett, Drake London? I think what you just said, Juju is, is the beginning of a teardrop. Like, like,

Juju, Mooney, I might even put Mooney, but Juju, Mooney, I mean, well, God wins impossible because he has the ACL, but an Amonrah are a different group of players and the people above that, Alan Robbins and DK Metcalfe. Like, Juju's not with Alan Robinson at DK Metcalfe, in my mind.

Agreed. Yeah, I think I agree too. But can I ring the bell and say who's catching passes for this team? We got Marquez-Holosgatling who can't catch more than three passes a game. We have a rookie, Skymore, nobody knows. and what else

McCull Hardman? Like, I mean, yeah, besides Kelsey. They said they're going to spread it out more and here's the problem is that like it's, here's the thing. Andy Reid's basically never had a bad offense. Like, they're going to be fine. The problem is I think that it's just Travis Kelly.

You know how the Packers for years have kind of had Devante as the number one and they've just had like five receivers who are all like a very good number four? Yeah. The Chiefs now are, Travis Kelsey is going to be Kelsey. And I think we're all going to like try to fight over ourselves to try to figure who's going to be like the number two.

I just think the chiefs are going to have like four guys who are really good number three in this offense. And like Juju will pop- Just a bunch of Allen Lazards. Yeah, but it's not a bunch of Allen Lazards, but like Juj is a little better. But I don't think it's going to be predictable because the chiefs between Mahomes and Annie Reed. Like I don't think you're going to be able to look at a given game plan and be like, oh, you know, great week to start Marquez Valda Scantling. It's going to be just as much boom bust. And then juju, I'm not sure it's going to be predictable. So I'm kind of, I feel like it's kind of you're chasing the tether ball.

I think there's recency bias with juju. I mean, he's been on terrible Steelers, anemic offenses. He's had foot injuries and knee injuries. And the last time the Steelers were like a normal fucking offense, he was great. Well, they weren't normal. No, when he had that season, Antonio Brown was at the end of the peak of his career. And Antonio Brown's peak was probably a top five wide receiver peak. Who else is at the end of the peak of their career on Juju's new team?

But it's different. It's a different, like, Juju, the injuries change the player. I have to admit, Craig's, I know it's like sort of low-hanging fruit, but Craig's, like, who else is going to catch passes on this offense argument is actually pretty compelling to me. And the problem with using the Packers as an example as, like, a comparison is, like, the Packers have always, or not always, but lately, been a very slow, run-heavy team. the chiefs are like the highest pass rate over expectation team in like the entire NFL.

They just fucking pass all the time. They're going to pass way like way more times than the Packers have over the last few years. So just like the pure numbers of it. That's a numbers game here. He's he's kind of convincing me on this. But here's the thing. I think Craig's wrong. And I think Judeo's not a value and everything Craig sings priced in to where he is.

However, if Craig is right and I'm wrong, I think Craig left out the biggest part of the argument for Juju. We were just talking about the receiver age thing. Do you guys know how old Juju is? He's 25. He's 25. That to me is where I start thinking about my, like, oh, yeah, I'm over Juju. That's what makes me kind of rethink of like, holy shit,

Juju's 25 years old and just joined the Chiefs. But then you get excited about it. I'm like, I don't know. He's the same age as V-Lis Jones. Fucking rookie. The famous Vilas Jones. Oh, man. It's like the SIS of the picks this year.

Juju has to catch... You think he can catch five passes a game? Is that reasonable? Yeah. Yeah. That's 85 catches on the year. Damn it, Craig. Craig, you're sucking me into this.

That's literally like Christian Kirk basically did that last year. Who would you rather have? Well, Christian Kirk, I think he's going to have 110 this year. You think he's going to have 110 catches, Christian Kirk? Yeah, I kind of do. I kind of do, too. 105. You have people with Chrissy Kirk.

I'd love to. I'll take the under on 1-10. Thank you. Hold on. I'm going to pull up the players last year. There's three players that had 110 catches or more last year. Yeah. It's like Devante Adams.

Tiree-Rae Cale. Torey Adams and Cooper Cod. Okay. Okay. No, no, no. 100. Okay, fine. 100.

But Hunter Renfro had 100 catches last year, you guys. Exactly. Renfro had 100. DJ Moore at 93. God would at 98. Like, it's not. Crazy. You're going to be safer to say.

93 catches is a lot more. Is 17 away from 110. Yeah. Well, he also said 77 last year. It's like one more per game. Yeah. And Hunter Renfro's on like Checkdown City with Derek Carr. But okay.

Anyway, I will talk about Juju a lot going forward clearly because we don't agree. I think while I didn't like him as much as I do now that Hifitz doesn't like him. Like now I'm like even more in on Juju. You're just digging in. I don't not like Juju. I just think it's like everyone's going to. I guess my question is, do you, the fundamental disagreement is like, you think people are going to look at juju in Kansas City and be like, no, I'm out. I'm looking at it as like, everyone's going to want juju in Kansas City.

Everyone's going to want him on their team. I think people are like, think he's overrated, but maybe I'm wrong. Are you just surrounded by friends who make fun of you personally in the Steelers? And maybe you're in a bubble of anti-juju-hate you hate, but it's actually just friends making fun of juju because they know it'll hurt you personally. No, I know people who have drafted him who have been burned by him for the last two years. And I think they're just over him and they're sick of them. And I think the TikTok thing's annoying, and I think people are just done with them. I was at a, my girlfriend's family's from Pittsburgh.

I was at a mall in Pittsburgh around Christmas time. And I was in a memorabilia shop with all the Steelers stuff. And it was like really cool. And I was seeing if I could find anything even mildly affordable to get someone under family for Christmas. And the guy was like, maybe the juju stuff. And I just offhandedly was like, well, you know, it's probably, you know, he's not going to be there after the season. So I don't want that. And the guy looks at me like crestful and he's like, Juju's going to love.

leave? And I looked at, I'm like, oh, Mike, I thought I told him, like, I'm not going to say because I ruined that for someone once, but a certain, you know what I'm going to say. It's like I said something wasn't real, but. Don't say it. All right, trigger warning for parents with their children. Pause the pot. They're in the car. They're in the car. Yeah, pause the pod. It's like when I ruined that Santa wasn't real for that father. But I thought I told the kid, like, Santa wasn't real. This kid working at the mall. But I, I also just was afraid of ruining Santa for more children on this podcast, which I think I've done before. I love the idea of you sitting down for Christmas morning with your girlfriend's family and you give

her dad a gift and he opens it up and is a Steelers jersey and he goes, oh great, another Steelers jersey. Like I don't have 45 of these. Like I just love the cliche of like, you're from Pittsburgh. Here's a Steelers jersey. He's like, wow, thanks. Don't have any of these. Bored and Raised Pittsburgh. No, I actually got him an NFT of a ju-ju tic-tock dance. Oh, boy. Have you ever seen one of my favorite tweets is somebody like just tweeted a situation of like some hypothetical of LeBron James sitting down on Christmas morning and his aunt hands him a basketball shaped present and he unraps it and he goes, oh, thanks. And his aunt goes, I know you love those. That's high it's giving his girlfriend's dead as Steelers memorabilia.

I literally did that to Haley O'Shaughnessy, who covers basketball. She used to work here at the ringer, and I got her a basketball. We were at the mall together. I got her a basketball-shaped mug, and she was like, oh, thanks. And I was like, you forgot this. And she was like, oh, did I? And I was like, oh, I don't think she wanted the mug. Can we talk about another guy that I have, we mentioned Chris Godwin before coming off

in ACL for the Tampa Bay. I have a guy, this is actually like a true sleeper. Russell Gage, who not only is a guy you probably don't know is on the books, you probably don't know who Russell Gage is. Spent first four years of his career on the Falcons, just the classic receiver's been at the top of your waivers when you play a fantasy football,

but no one ever adds. You know what he is? He's a Joey Pants. If anyone listens to the rewatchables, there's the Joey Pantiliano Award for the VAT guy, or when you see a movie, you go, oh yeah, that guy. That's exactly it.

It's like when they cut to the highlight, and they're like, and Russell Gage for a 60-yard touchdown, you're like, I've heard of him. You're like, oh, yeah, I think I know that guy. So, you know what else has heard of him is Tom Brady? Russell Gage was personally recruited to Tampa Bay by Tom Brady. Tom Brady calls him.

Russell Gage is at his home, taking out the garbage, and gets a call from Tom Brady is like, hey, I love your game. Please come join what we're building with the bucks. Never mind the fact that he had just tried to, like, retire from the bucks and work for dolphin, blah, blah, blah. But he's like, come join what we're building with the bucks. That is what actually Brady said. And they had never spoken.

before and Russell Gage was like, that's awesome. And it's funny that Brady is picking up people that we wouldn't pick up on waivers, but they actually need Russell Gage. Like Mike Evans is their number one. Gronk just retired. Even if he comes back, it'll be midseason. Chris Godwin's coming back from the ACL. They have no timeline for his return.

I think Chris Godwin might miss the beginning of the season. And then he's to come back from the ACL. Yeah. Yeah. So Chris Godwin might start in the IR, PUP, whatever. And then Antonio Brown was last seen taking his jersey off at a Jets game and then Ubering home and is now threatening to sue the team. Like the Bucks don't have it.

anyone to catch passes. So the question always with Tom Brady is, does he trust this guy? He personally requested Russell Gage. And remember, when the Bucks won the Super Bowl, the three people Brady threw touchdowns to were the guys that Brady recruited the team. It was Grunk, Antonio Brown, and Leonard Fernette, who were the guys that Brady personally reached out to join. And so on a team where Brady, yes, Tom Brady's thrown the most passes of any quarterback in the last two years, Russell Gage is like the number two receiver in this offense. And he's once again going outside the top 100. Yeah, and he was actually good last year. Like, he was legit pretty good last year. This just reminds me, the whole time you were talking

I was just thinking about the meme. I know Ian Hartett's just shared out a bunch. It's like just a picture of Tom Brady. Tom Brady and the quote is, fuck Tyler Johnson. It's like, because I just, I've wanted Tyler Johnson to become a thing for like the two years that he's been in the NFL. But like Brady just straight up just like hates him. He like had to go out and recruit Russell Gage just because he doesn't want to be throwing past to Tyler Johnson when it matters but yeah, no, I agree

with everything you said with Gage. I think he's very underrated. He's like the definition of a sleeper because like you said, he doesn't have a lot of name value. People weren't really watching the Falcons offense last year that much. I don't think if you're like nationally you know, plugged in. Well, not people who have self-respect. If you're not called Falcons fans, that's cool.

Otherwise, it's like torture. Right. No, Falcons fans can watch the Falcons. Other people who do it recreational, I think, are a little strange. I like this a lot. I think Gage is an awesome pick in like those late rounds. There you go. Yeah, I love Gage. Who else do we go? D.K., you have one left. Robert Woods, I think, is a very good value right now. It's like a lot of people forgot he's on the Titans. This is one of those things where we've got

to get this out of the way. Yeah, he's on the Titans. He tore his ACL at the end of the season. So like, what is the deal? When is he coming back? I don't think it was the end of the season. I think it was like, it's like week nine. midway gas. He was like an earlier ACL tear than a lot of the guys that were worried about. Like Chris Godwin, it was very late in the season. There's a couple other guys that are going to miss Gallup. Yeah, they're going to miss the

beginning of the season almost surely. I've been studying up on some of the injury timelines over the offseason. Edwin Porras from Fantasy Points is a great resource for this. And he has pegged like conservative estimate around September 1st for when Woods

could be cleared. Now, give or take, that's like give or take two to six weeks or whatever. So obviously there's some wiggle room here. But that would put him to get cleared before the season starts. And even if he doesn't, like he has a better timeline than a guy like Godwin, who's probably not going to be back until October, November. Same with Gallup. So like he's the type of guy who, number one, people are kind of forgetting he's on the Titans.

Number two, people are forgetting he's playing because he got injured halfway through the season last year and no one was really talking about him. But going into the season, like obviously, A.J. Brown's gone. Julio Jonas is gone. The top pass catchers, like all the top pass catchers on the Titans are gone, basically. Other than Nick Westbroker-Kine, you know,

in terms of the guys returning from last year, Trelin Burks, already kind of like some big question marks around him. He hasn't been able to finish, like, any of these mini-camp practices, which is like kind of setting off alarm bells in my head. Because he's getting hurt.

Well, he's apparently has asthma. He can't, like, he's been having issues, like, breathing and stuff, getting through these practices. Now, that doesn't mean he's not going to, know, like play this year or whatever, but it's just not a great sign. So I think...

It's both understandable and a little concerning. Right. Correct. And honestly, like, the clips we've seen, which is very hit or miss here, but like, we've seen clips of Robert Woods, like, working out at these OTAs and minicamps, and he looks pretty good. Like, he's moving around well. He's still got a clunky brace on. But everything we've seen, and, like, the timeline indicates, like, he'll be ready

to go around week one. Like, maybe that's week three, actually. But, like, I think at the end of the day, he's... he's still going to be playing a lot of snaps this year. It's kind of my point. I don't mean to laugh, but is there any more off-season thing than he's moving around well

for these practices where no one's wearing pads? It's like, what player's not moving around well? Treylin Berks. Yeah. No, again, it's like, it's not like I'm giving up on Berks. It's not like I think Woods is going to be a superstar or whatever,

but like for the value, basically you can get him for free. And he might be the, you might end up catching. more passes than anybody else on this team. What do you mean you can get him for free? What do you talk about? Well, you can get him late is what I mean.

Let's figure out what he's 80s. Yeah. He's outside the top 100. Like later round. Yeah. So I think on that note, I will give up on Traylon Brooks for you. I already kind of feel like. You talk about recency bias and just like easy psychological traps.

AJ Brown goes to Titans. Amazing rookie year. Incredible draft pick. Traylin Berks, like A.G. Brown, going to go to the Titans. And now he's just kind of being, people are kind of ranking him and drafting him like Traylon Burks will just do the A.J. Brown thing. I almost have met the point where I agree with you on Woods. I also just wonder if the Titans' offense is going to implode this year.

Relying on Traylin Burks or Robert Woods, I love Robert Woods. Bobby Trees is easily one of our three or four favorite players, probably the entire NFL, right? Yeah. And like, I love Bobby Trees. But Bobby Trees, Traylin Berks is not being interested in the field. Bobby Trees having to come back from an ACL to be the number one. and then Nick Westbrook Aquina being an undrafted player being their third most reliable option. This just seems like a receiving core where all the pieces are like individually already kind of sputtering.

And then defenses can just focus on Derek Henry. And I'm like, I don't know if I want. And then also Ryan Tadale has this sort of Damocles hanging over him that he's probably gone after this year because he probably is. And then they have Malik Willis behind him for like a long-term project. Like I just feel like the Titans are going to implode. And I almost don't know if I even want any of these players. other than Robert Woods because he's so cheap. I kind of agree.

I mean, yeah, I think that's fair. I think that's fair. But again, like, he's cheap. Like, he's 10th round. Yes, that's fine. Getting sent to the Titans now is, like, when you buy a card, they say the second you drive it off the lot,

it's like half its value is gone. The second, the Trail on Berks went to the Titans, I was like, eh, I'm good. Ironically, Aegee Brown left the Titans, but went to the other teamlets like that, which is the Eagles. Right, right. Just both like that.

Okay, can we also do some dart throws? Yeah. Players are new teams, and this isn't... Other guys, I'm reasonably confident those dudes we just discussed will, like, be successful, except for Juju. I want Juju to be successful, to be clear. I love Jiu Jiu.

And the world is better when Jiu's good. How do you define successful? You don't think he'll be successful compared to how he's played the last two years? Well, no, there's real life good and there's fantasy good. Fantasy good is like, I am reasonably confident he will deliver at or even better than where we have him.

And then real life good is just, is he a productive part? of a chief's team that has 14 wins and like is playing. Yeah. Okay. Fair. I would like him to be successful. Okay.

Also, oh my God. We didn't even talk about Juju doing TikToks with Jackson Mahomes. How did we fuck that up? We're rusty. That's going to be a disaster. I want no part of that. This is concerning. This isn't like some hypothetical.

This is like 100% going to happen. I wonder if they made Juju signed in his contract. You cannot do TikToks with Patrick's brother. Like on the sidelines. Yeah. Not allowed. Do you think Mahomes just talk to his brother and was? like, don't do this.

I don't need this attention. Or do you think that Jackson and Juju will just be dancing on the field together before every game? I'm sure there will be one where they'll do something and it'll be annoying and everybody will pan it

and then it'll stop. No, I think they're going to tag each other all the time. Half-time show each game. Yeah, Juju's just not going to go into the locker room at half-time. He's going to stay out. Evan McPherson, not going to halftime for the Super Bowl. If the Bears, sorry,

if the Bengals had won the Super Bowl, that would have been the most amazing. We would have talked that, forever. If you're sort of like kick the game-winning kick in a game where he didn't go to halftime to watch like Snoop Dog before. I'd love to get a kicker on the show to talk to us about all the shit they don't have to do because they're a kicker. So what did you do at practice?

Get tackled. I kicked it a bunch. Actually, the coaches have me on a kicking regimen. I only was able to kick it 14 times. The rest of the time I just kind of hung out. Yeah. Do you watch film? No. You watch the halftime shows? Yeah. That was one of the fun of doing the draft show is like when you're doing draft season, like these college coaches, I mean, the NFL too, but like, none of these coaches know anything about

kicking. They don't owe anything. Like they just, they're like, yeah, it's like a foreign language. They're like, yeah, we just, yeah, sure. I just hope that they're good. Okay. DART throws. Yeah, quick pitch on the dart throws. Do you guys want to go, anyone going to go first? I can go first. All right. One of my, one of my favorite later round guys this year is Jarvis Landry. I feel like people are kind of forgetting about Jarvis Landry. Obviously, he's getting a little bit older. he's getting up in age. He's never been super dynamic deep down the field threat. However, in this Saints offense, I think he's going to play a pretty high volume role.

And honestly, like, part of this is just, I don't really know what the fuck is going on with Michael Thomas. Oh, my God. It's unknowable. How is he still hurt? It's like two years later, and he's like got this video of him jumping, like, very gingerly. Like, how is two years later your ankle still? You're not able to get on the field two years later after an ankle injury? I don't understand what's going on.

Is he like skiing every weekend? Like what's happening? Why is he always hurt? Only doing slide tackles. When did he even originally get hurt? I just feel, for whatever reason, I just feel like in my heart that he's just not going to play this year. Like he's just, fuck it. I'm done.

I don't want to play it. Wait, yeah. So he injured. I'm trying to find the exact timeline. Did he get this ankle injury? Oh my God. This was the high ankle sprain he had in like week one or two of 2020. Yeah.

And then he tried to, like, there was some disagreement with the team about when to get surgery or how to get surgery. And then last year, he like came, he just was like, he was going to come back. And then at some point last year, he was just like, I'm not coming back. I think there was also a trade request brewing before all this. And that was like a cloud looming because, yeah, there was disagreements on the nature of the injury. He got surgery at a time they didn't want. And like, it's insane that we're two years from the original thing. And he's just, yeah, still post the videos.

Anyway, so basically. So basically. I think they drafted Chris Olava. They traded up for us. Yeah. I think Olave is another good late round pick, honestly. He's not a changed team guy, so I'm not naming him here in this category. But both of those guys feel like good values to me because they're going to come in and get pretty good volume, I think, in this offense.

Like, you know, there's just not a lot of other guys in this offense right now. Like there's Marcus Calloway, Deonti Hardy. I'm not really confident in any of those guys. I think that Olaave is likely going to come in and be sort of like a lid lifting type outside receiver. take the top off of a defense type of guy, and then Jarvis Landry play everything underneath. And I just think, based on what we've been hearing in OTAs, again, this is not like a big deal,

but like he's been lightened up in OTAs. Like he's been James Winston's favorite target kind of deal. And so, yeah, I just kind of just, I'm willing to bet on him late. If you want like a flex type guy to just have in and plug into your lineup, especially in PBR and half PBR. I think Landry's going to be like a solid starting option.

Can I give you a dart throw? do it. Really simple pitch. Sony Michelle, who is signed with the Dolphins, and it's so under the radar. Like,

they signed Chase Edmonds from the Cardinals. They signed Rahim Moster from the Niners, because the Dolphins head coach is the Niners old passing game, running game coordinator.

And then he signed Sony Michelle completely under the radar. Really simple pitch. Rahe Moster, who is like the, one of the three main backs in this Dolphins backfield, he's like 30 years old

and has played nine games in two years. And I love Rahe Moster, but like, he's, I would, it seems like a stretch to insist he's going to play, like without, like, missing a prolonged stretch.

If Rahim Moster gets hurt, this backfield is just Chase Edmonds and Sony-Michel. Like, if Sony-Michel is just splitting the backfield, 50-50 with Chase Edmonds, but also Sony-Michel has the goal line work by week four. I don't think anyone would be surprised. But he's literally undrafted and is the third running back in that backfield.

And yet I feel like Sony-Mishel has, like, a 25% chance of just being a top-20 running back each week by week five. I just feel like there's not much ceiling there's just not much ceiling there I also just I want this is another there's just one problem Danny he's not any good like I just don't think

Sony Michelle's that good Myos Gaskin is still there To me this is like everyone Literally last pick of your draft He's there that's what I'm saying Literally the last pick of your draft Like the guy that you're going to cut for waiver That spot on your bench goes to Sony Michelle

Because Rahim Oster gets hurt Then he's like just a two-man committee basically. Sony Michelle's the typical, like, annoying veteran who gets more snaps than the exciting rookie that we all love or the exciting, like, younger guy that we all love, just because he can, like, pass block, you know, or something.

Yeah, exactly. To me, I see everybody on Miami having, like, eight to ten carries a game, and it's just annoying. They're a running team, though. That's the thing with the two-throwing stuff. This is going to be a running team in Miami. All right, anyway, Craig, who's your dart throw? Sammy Watkins, I'm back.

Oh, no. inject it into my veins. Good for you. Okay, like Sonyi Michelle, he's your last pick in the draft. Right now, Sammy Watkins is going

in the 14th round. There were rumors he wasn't going to make the roster months ago. Now Matt LaFlofflor says he's going to be a big part of this offense. And when you look at the offense,

not a lot going on. Alan Lazard, who's a career number two or three, Randall Cobb, Kristen Watson, the rookie, and Amari Rogers.

That is it. Watkins has kind of sort of produced when he's like in the lead positions. You know, like when Rashad Bateman was out last year in Baltimore, Watkins played pretty well. He plays well in these like four weeks stretches when he kind of is the guy, but he's never put it together for real season. He hasn't had a ton of good quarterbacks in his career.

He played with Tyraud Taylor and E.J. Manuel, the Lamar Jackson teams. He was on the Chiefs for a while. But again, he was behind Kelsey and Tyreek. This is easily the best spot of his career. I still think he's a very talented wide receiver. He gets hurt a lot. put it together most of the time. But for a 14th round pick to get maybe the number one option for Aaron Rogers, I think is worth it. Literally two hours ago I got it. There's a great newsletter by

Tyler Dunn, who's a great writer who has an excellent newsletter. I suggest people subscribe. Go along. And today his newsletter was a profile like Sammy Watkins. And he has a, I'm just going to read it because I don't want to get this wrong, but he talked about how hard it was for Sammy Watkins to play in Buffalo. And Watkins unveiled just how debilitating those three Buffalo years were on both his body and mind. He admitted that he got wasted, wasted, wasted, like wasted, wasted, every night, and that all those drinks led to his litany of injuries.

Those injuries spiraled him into depression. He barricaded himself in its basement to drink alone until four in the morning, more of a self-loathing ritual at that point, sleep two hours, wake up, head to the facility, eat, sleep, repeat, as fans increasingly labeled him a bust. And then things got weird. He started breaking down etheric bodies and astral realms and entities,

spirits essentially that are everywhere. They sift inside of me, you, everyone to live within our physical bodies. It's on us to recognize them. And basically, Sammy Watkins has this led him out of a very dark period of his life. Okay. He's an interesting man. He's a character. Where are you going with this?

I think that the Sammy Watkins, who was in Buffalo, was one of those talented players we've seen in like 10 or 20 years. But his life was, he wasn't in a place to succeed. and in Kansas City he had the ego to let Tyree Kill and Travis Kelsey be the piece of that passing game but Sammy Watkins caught the game

winning pass in the Super Bowl he's still really good so I agree with you like Sammy Watkins if he's in a better place and he also has if he's in a better place personally I think Sammy Watkins

I mean with Aaron Rogers at basically no cost is a pretty incredible gamble Daniel I'm still trying to figure out What were you saying about the ethereal beat? What was it? I don't know.

It's very odd. Ethereal bodies and astral planes? Is that you said? Yes. Or etheric bodies? What was it? As Sammy says, Words cast spells is how Sammy puts it.

Okay. Interesting. No, look into that. He calls them entities. We all join him. It's funny because I would also call Sammy Watkins an entity. Anyway. Deep.

When I read a couple emails, we'll get out of here. Last week, we said that Russell Wilson had this new catchphrase because he used to say Go Hawks. Let's ride. He's doing Let's Ride. And we were like, if you had a better one. We got five, shout out Matt, Sean, George, Dan Mark, all emails us the same one.

It's perfect. Gitty Up. Yeah, that's good. Gitty Up. He showed it on Gitty Up, and he should lean full cowboy. He should like go full Western with his attire. I want the cowboy hat on. I want him wearing bolod eyes.

Yeah, chaps. He's wearing chaps. He rides horses to the game. he buys a Bronco Who is the Bucks linebacker wrote a horse Was it Devin White? Who has the horse

on the Buck's defense that won the Super Bowl but then rode his horse around with the trophy the next day? I don't know that. I think was Devin White. Yeah, Rush,

he probably already has a horse. Okay. We got an email from Jerry. Jerry. I know Craig's Rusty. No Jerry. Jerry. Sorry.

Hey guys, love the show. Glad you're back. Here's the deal. I'm the commissioner of my league and no one ever reads the messages I send. In there. I think that's so funny.

First off, I'm not the kind of commissioner that sends out useless information. I only post things when something important is changing. Roster and scoring changes mostly. I'll post the message on the board for the league and I'll send everyone a text, asking them to check out the changes for the season. I mostly do this because I look for feedback

before the season, so I don't have to deal with any complaints once the season begins. Here's the problem, all caps. No one ever reads the messages. I never, I think this is so funny. Read the emails, please. I inevitably get complaints anyway.

What I'm considering is I want to change the league in a way that will benefit those who read the emails. And hoses the people who don't read the emails. But I need some input from you guys about what to change. This is like, this used to happen. I don't remember if it was college or high school, but this would happen when like the teacher would tell you to check the message boards for notes on the assignment and nobody would ever check it.

But if you actually went there, it would say like homeworks do next week, not this week. Yes. I don't, yes. Or that test where people would give in like in the middle of this long paragraph of explanation. It's like, also you don't have to write this handed in. Exactly.

So I respect what he's doing. I don't know how he's going to implement this. My note to Jerry, FaceTime each person and tell them the rule to their face. That's like a lot of work. He's commissioner. He's already doing all this work. Commissioner signed up to do work.

That's his job to get everybody. You can't read a fucking email? What does this take? People go out of emails. I miss emails. Text them privately one-on-one, FaceTime them. Group FaceTime even set up a Zoom. I mean, let's be honest.

I mean, look, we're not above any of this. I got too big for my britches last year. I showed up to the Rigger Fantasy football draft, and they're like, it's a two-quarterback league. We added positions, and I was like, it was two-quarterback. I had no idea. I knew that.

And I was like, oh, should have checked that. You were making fun of the people taking quarterbacks. And guess who won the league? Me. God damn it. I was riding with Matt Ryan and Carson Wentz, and I won, baby. Yeah, my suggestion was going to be like make some weird newfangled rules where, like, you can start six kickers, and all the kickers score like 30 points a game. And so, like, whoever is paying attention will just take, like, but I feel like if you're a commissioner that will get you, like executed.

I don't think you can do this because everyone's just going to hate you and the season's going to be a mess if there's some rule that only half the league abided by. No, I kind of like, I kind of want him to be able to. I just think it's like as per my last email. Honestly, you should probably just text everyone. And then when they complain, just tell them the fuck off. And stop posting it as a note on like the league page. Yeah, just like get all the receipts. And like when everybody complains about how you never send anything, post those receipts.

Like I texted your phone, your external brain. I just don't know what the end game is here because then the season will start and everyone's going to be mad because like 830, 66% of the league or whoever doesn't read the emails is going to be like screwed and at a disadvantage and everyone's going to be mad. mad. Craig, sometimes people just, some men just want to see the world burn, Craig. Jerry is fucking sick of it. But is you're debating dissolving the league, maybe you just do this anyway. Like, maybe he's fed up and he's like, I've got to quit. I'd rather do this on the way out. This is like, yeah, if you want to just fucking kamikaze the league. Yeah. No, the real answer is,

yeah, you are kamikaze. I think, I think the answer is two quarterback, super flex, or like, something subtle, like six points for passing touchdowns are like... Oh, that's good. I mean, actually, I think it is actually better if it's subtle because then, like, people aren't going to figure this out during the draft. It'll be like, after the draft, so they're like, what the fuck? What? Wait, what?

Superflex is, like, actually real and you could adjust on the fly. If you actually wanted, like, to actually create chaos on purpose, making, like, passing yards also worth one point for every 10 yard, which no one would notice if you changed it. But then Patrick Mooms throws for 400 yards and he gets 40 points plus the touchdowns, that would be funny. You could switch from PPR to standard, something like that, mess people up. Should we do 10 points per reception? Yeah.

Negative 18 for every interception. Something like that. Yeah. Just get creative with it. I still vote for just, like, just set up a group FaceTime or something. All right. Jerry, good luck. Let us know what you do.

All right. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig. Thank you to everyone for listening. Jerry's league mates, read your emails. Come on, guys. Actually, I guess there's people who emailed us and we haven't responded to you. I'm sorry for that.

Jerry, I have an idea. Tell all your friends listen to this episode. Yeah. Done. Call them out. Get those stats up, Craig. Love those. Just get new friends.

Love those stars. Thank you, Lord. Lord. Thank you, the far side. Who's that? Nice. That's a rap, hip-hop group. For a second, I think he said Farnsworth.

Because you know Kyle Farmsworth? Kyle Farnsworth, that old reliever for the Yankees. He's like a bodybuilder now. I did see that. That's right now. You see that? That was a harrowing. Fucking huge.

So large. What a large person. Yeah. Kind of freaks me out. You think he's like, okay? No. What drives you to do that after you like, I don't know. You're already rich and famous.

Boredom? Why are you doing this now? He's too ripped. I don't know if I could figure out how to do that even if I wanted to. Like if someone was like, if Jeff Bezos was like, I'll give you $10 billion to look like that. I don't know if I could figure out how to do it. Oh, like, you can't, like, ask for help or like get advice.

Yeah, no, no, I'm like, no Google, no, I don't think I can figure it out of my own. You know what my friends, me and my friend had this joke. If somebody gave you all of the tools to make, like, an alarm clock, like, all of the tools were just in front of you. All of the, like, pieces were separated. Could you make it in, but you couldn't look anything up, you couldn't look up how to do it? In your lifetime, could you put together the alarm clock? In your lifetime, yeah, but like, in a lifetime, probably. Like, would it take you 30 years?

Wait, you're talking about pieces or raw materials? Like, you're talking about, like, soldering the wires and shit like that? Or you're talking about making plastic? No, no, you don't have to make the plastic. But, like, basically we talk about, like, basic things like, at first we started with a car. Like, if somebody gave you all the pieces of a car, but you couldn't look up how to put together a car, you had everything you needed. Could you do it. No way to.

No way to do it. And your whole lifetime? No. A car is like, car. I would give up after, like, a couple hours. I think. Could you do like, what about like a treadmill? Yes.

I think. I can do a treadmill. I can put together. So there is a, well, it, oh my God. I'm not trying to figure out internal combustion. That seems really iffy. I don't know how to do that shit. There's a good podcast.

You know the podcast how stuff works and Josh Clark does it? He has another pod. I think it's called The End of the World. And he talks about like, what if humans don't like, it's really interesting thing of like, what if humanity makes it like another like million years? And it's like, what if we don't have a nuclear war? Like, what will happen? And he's like, basically like, it's really interesting.

But one of the things he goes into is like, it's pretty hard for us to go extinct, extinct. He's like, even if we have a nuclear war, it won't take as long to do what we just did. Like, to Craig's exact question, even if we had to re-bent him, rebuild him from scratch, just knowing that you could build an alarm clock

with wires with rub around it, makes it so much easier to figure it out from scratch, like just knowing that you can make steel that it exists. Yeah, I understand. That makes sense. That was not... So... You know, I didn't know if I wanted to say that part,

and then I feel like I didn't get the reception I was thinking. And in retrospect, I wouldn't have mentioned the whole death of the human species thing. Seemed like a real left turn. Things aren't going great right now, so we'll see where it goes. I'm glad that people come here for a nice distraction. And, you know, get some uplifting content for those who stay at the end. Yeah. All right. Goodbye.

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