The Ringer NFL Show - Training Camp Risers

Episode Date: August 8, 2023

Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck are back to discuss the most significant developments from training camps around the NFL and determine the biggest risers and fallers over the last few weeks (1:57). Finally, the guys close with emails (48:28). Alvin Kamara’s three-game suspension (2:45) Cooper Kupp’s hamstring injury (8:25) Quarterback camp battles (10:00) Risers (30:20) Check out our 2023 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please check out theringer.com/RG to find out more or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens Producer: Kai Grady Audio intern: Jack Sanders Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You can check it on your phone. I feel like Fantasy rankings don't really look good on your phone. We made them look good on your, not us, other people who are good at their jobs. Fantasyfoolport.thruppery.com. Please go there. training camps are now open been open for a couple weeks guys got pads on they're hitting

the whole thing game last week preseason games coming up this week there's a lot of hype happening it's now yeah overreactions to like a guy making a one-handed catch against air and everyone's like they just add the little emoji of the stock going up yeah there's actually videos on

there's a lot of videos online and I actually kind of understand why high fits this but of literally a guy just running a route against no defense and they're like oh look at this throw And it's like, Elijah Moore is a problem. Literally, they're warming up. They're not even playing football.

Get me out there. I'd look good against no one. Irresponsible, reckless, and sometimes unprofessional, the way that people hype up these guys without anyone defending them or pads. Having said that, we're going to do that for the next like 40 minutes. So, hell yeah. All you need to remember about training camp preseason, as we're saying here is, here's how training camp works.

It's extremely valuable information. it confirms your prior beliefs and what you already think to be true. And anything contrary to what you believe that you see or come across, well, who cares? It's just preseasoned a training camp. Right. Exactly. This is the time to confirm your priors, and that's all. Also, injuries matter.

That's about it. Yeah. Because we're not here to learn things, right? We're here to just be proved right. I actually really love preseason victory lapping. It's the funnest. God. All right, news first.

Okay, so Saints running back Alvin Camara is suspended for three games. After an investigation into his role in a fight in Las Vegas last year, this is not a surprise. We basically knew he was going to get suspended. Question was two, four games, split the difference at three. We've had him ranked as if he's going to get suspended. Camara's kind of been in Glansburg this year. We haven't really talked about him a lot,

kind of because we didn't know how many games he was going to get. Right after this news came out, you know, Benjamin, their four-string running back, also towards Achilles. So now the Saints basically just have Jamal Williams and Kendry Miller, the rookie out of TCU at running back for at least the first few. games of the year. And then with the Saints down to two people at running back, the Saints brought Kareem Hunt in for a workout. We'll see if they actually sign him or not. I feel like probably not. We have Kibbara ranked 73rd overall. He's a 27th running back. He's like right behind DeAndre

Swift on Philly, which feels about right. DeK out how do you feel about Alvin Kamara this year? I'm starting to get more excited about him, to be honest. I thought so I had ranked him very conservatively as if he was going to get six games and just kind of like hoping it was less than that. To me, was actually, in terms of fantasy, obviously a very good development for Alvin Kamara. And after this, I think I'm probably going to be moving him up quite a bit. Paired with

the fact that, based on what we're hearing out of training camp, that he's looking really good. He's kind of looking explosive again. And this could be a really big bounce back year for him. And the fact he's only missing three games is not really that big of a concern. Yeah. And look, he just turned 28 years old. And last year,

it was easily his worst year, but he was banged up. And he basically did what Alvin Kamara never does, which is he didn't score any touchdowns. He's pretty much averaging, like, one touchdown a game for the first five years of his career, four years of his career, and then last year, he only had four touchdowns. And so the offense was kind of a mess. It was mostly Andy Dalton and a little bit of James Winston and Tassum Hill sprinkled in. But now with Derek Carr in there, and if Alvin Kamara comes in after three games healthy,

I think it's reasonable to assume he could just pop right back into a top 10 mode because when Alvin Kamara is right, he is still, in my opinion, a top five running back in the league. Absolutely. I can't decide because I'm so torn. on this. On one hand, Alvin Camaro was basically just the most efficient player. Because basically, he was elite

when Drew Bray's and Sean Payton were together. Like, Camara's first four seasons, Alvin Camara scored a touchdown basically every single game. Like, 60 games. And at 82 catches every year. Every year, 82 catches. 60 games. 58 touchdowns when Drew Breeze was there.

Drew Breeze leaves since then, instead of scoring a touchdown every game, Alvin Camara scores a touchdown. Every other game, which doesn't actually sound bad. But it's a 50% drop. And so it's like, well, and last year he actually, among, I think, backs with the 25 running backs that had 300 or more carries the past two years, Camara was dead last in like rushing yards over expectation. So I'm like, oh, he's dust.

On the other hand, I don't know, man, he had a rib injury in week one. Like he had a rib injury in week one. Oh, no wonder he wasn't efficient. The team was a mess. And I'm like, I don't know, Derek Carr. Any Dalton actually think he was solid for the Saints, but I think Derek Carr is going to be. better. Derrcar is pretty solid for the Raiders last year. I don't know. I look at this and I'm like,

maybe we're too automatic trying to write off running backs just because they've crossed an age threshold. For all the running back stuff, the Saints are still borrowing money from Alvin Camara's contract. Like every other running backs taking pay cuts. The Saints are giving Camara money up front. You know what I mean? So I'm kind of, I don't know

if they necessarily have plans to move on from him. Also, his type of game could age a little bit better than most running backs because he's not just slamming into the offensive line. You know, he's not getting tackled hard. He's out in space. He's being utilized as a pass catcher more than, you know, as like

a every down type of grinder type player. And so, yeah, I mean, his game has potential to last a little bit longer in the NFL than some of the other guys. And I think Derek Carr is not as bad as people think. I think Derek Carr is like a very, very competent quarterback and can do

enough to make this offense underrated in fantasy. So how high should we move Camero up? Because we had him, see, would you rather have, I mean, David Montgomery's kind of sitting right there. Would you take David Montgomery, Alvin Camara? I think Camerra should probably surpass Montgomery. Alvin Camer.

Like a top 60 player. Alexander Madison or Camara? Camara for me. Camara. Yeah. I'd have him over James Connor. What if his name was boring? Like, I don't know, David Montgomery.

How much of it's just because Camer was good in the past? I mean, I think he should be with, I think he should be with the Damien Pierce, Camakers, Miles Sanders. You could even talk me into above all those guys. Yeah. Yeah. But because he's missing three games. I think he's right in that like,

40-ish range overall. What do you guys think? I think 50s, but you're spiritually right. I actually think he's like the running back version of DeAndre Hopkins, where you're like at some point, you're like, how would I stop overthinking how old this person is and just take this guy that like two years ago is a top of 20 player, period. Also, he's not that old. He turned 28 like a week ago.

That's pretty old. Craig turns 29 one time and it's like 28's not old for a running back. It's fine. Plenty of years left. He's wiser. Well, he's probably not. Yeah, I think that was the original problem, actually, with the whole suspension thing. I was going to say Nick Underhill, who runs New Orleans dot football, has been singing Alvin Camara's praises the last couple of days, says he's more explosive than he had been last year.

I'm just kind of like, I don't know, I feel like he's going to be surprisingly effective, surprisingly efficient after just being really crappy last year for whatever reason. Probably injury-related, honestly. So, yeah, I'm getting excited about Camara again. And I think this news that he's only suspended for three games is huge for him. All right. While we're on injury updates, I just want to say Cooper Cup. Last we had recorded, Cooper Cup had a hamstring injury, but we didn't know how bad it was. Now, saying Cooper Cup's just day-to-day.

Sean McVeigh said they're actually am I going to have Cooper Cup back at the joint practices. The rims have the Raiders in a couple weeks. I feel better now. So I actually move Cooper Cup down because at the end of the day, why am I taking the only player in the first round who was like injured last year and injured this year? That seems like weird. But now if he's actually going, I feel like week one's fine now.

move Cooper Cup back up. Yeah, I just would like to say, I'm definitely going to draft Cooper Cup this year. It goes against everything I, I, like, believed in, but I'm kind of trying to change my philosophy. I actually am now like, you know what? He's going to be at a discount because of this weird off-season injury and the fact that he's 30.

Yeah, I don't care about any of that. He's like an absolute, I was just listening to Stefania Bell, who works for ESPN, talk about Cooper Cup and how much of a health psycho he is. And just like how dedicated he is to recovery and learning about his body. And I'm all in on those guys.

It's crazy how me getting close to 30 has changed my opinion on people who are 30. But it actually had... Craig was 25. He's like, I just want young guys. I want all the young running backs. Old guys. Derek Cadreney, never. I was like the Leonardo DiCaprio of fantasy football

when I was in my mid-20s. And I've just completely changed. You know, I've matured. Now you're Keanu Reeves. You're the only guy in Hollywood dating an age-appropriate woman. That's right. And Hugh Jackman. I believe Hugh Jackman's wife is like 10 years older than him.

So this is the year for you and Derek Henry and Kelsey, Alvin Camara. We should do that. We should just at some point, you know what easy it would be to have the old team of just like Kelsey, you could have DeAndre Hopkins,

you could have Camara, you could have Deontra, you know what I mean? They could pretty easily just have the all-star team from like three years ago to see what happens. The Cougar Club.

Yeah, the Cougars. Yeah, fantasy Cougars. We should write that down. Okay. Quarterback Camp Battles, I feel like there's actually a few and they're not actually cool so we haven't really been talking about them.

But so just, I feel like there's like four situations in particular where there's been either should be attention or there hasn't been, I don't know, it's all kind of backward this year. D.K. I want to lead us off with our cult leader, Brock Purdy? You know, obviously, during the off season, we've been wondering what's going on with a 49ers quarterback situation.

They brought back, or sorry, they signed Sam Darnold. Trey Lance is still there. And of course, Brock Purdy, who was the hero of the team last year, is coming off of a UCL injury on his shoulder, or sorry, on his elbow. And we really didn't know what was going on with that. Turns out he's fine. Like, it's looking like he's going to be completely fine. He's, he's practicing.

Yeah, I mean, you know why? It looked bad. That's right. And it was fine. He is, quote unquote, like ahead of schedule. I think they're still giving him a rest day every third day, but everything is going according to their plan apparently. And, you know, he's looking good.

He's throwing the ball. And according to Dan Graziano, he is like the starter for them going into the and he's he says there's no question the plan is pretty to start as long as he's healthy. I agree. I think that this entire thing's over.

This is one of the all-time like bag fumblings by Trey Lance. Yeah, it's really, really tough. What sucks because it's not completely his fault. Like he got hurt.

Yeah. And then he lost his job, which shouldn't happen, but it did. But third pick in the draft and this Mr. Irrelevant comes in, win six straight games.

And then nearly requires Tommy John's surgery. And it's still not even a debate who's starting week one. If anything, Sam Darnold has way more hype right now. That's Ray Lance does.

Did you see that quote? That quote, that quote, I think you sent it to us, that quote of Shannon just like professing his love for the toughness of Brock Purdy and how he played in that playoff game.

You're like, after reading that, you're like, man, Tray Lance should like move to Canada. Like, it's completely over. Kyle Shannon basically just, the quote was basically him

showing up to Brock Party's house with the boom box while he was having, you know, this elbow procedure, just being like, please Brock come back and mean dude

by the way meanwhile he's talking about Sam Darnold like he's Steve Young he compared Sam Donald to Steve Young you know starting kind of like because Steve Young didn't become a starter until he's like 29 years old he was a very late bloomer

but obviously very physically talented guy and so I think that was kind of the connection but it's just hilarious because they clearly love Purdy and he's comparing Sam Darnold to freaking Steve Young and there's not a peep about Tray Lance well that's not that's also not like a light comparison.

I mean, Mike Shannon was the offensive coordinator for the 49ers when Steve Young was the quarterback. Yeah. So, like, Kyle Shannon was actually like there. Tray Lance just needs to get traded. Just trade him. Get it over with. All right. So that one's over,

even though that one's gotten the attention. But the other ones, I think the other, the most interesting was the Colts, Anthony Richardson, who was the fourth pick in the draft, as D.K said over and over. The most athletic quarterback prospect ever. The guy who, one, voice of butter, Anthony Richardson has. Anthony Richardson calls himself Cam Jackson because his game is a mix of Cam Newton and Lamar Jackson who's created in a lab to play football. I think at this point

he's going to start in week one. Yeah. And more importantly, it's not arbitrary, but if he doesn't, he will be playing, I think, by like week three or four. Like, even if it's not week one, it's going to be like a matter of time. Gardner, Minch, is the other guy in Indianapolis, but Shane Stuyken is the offensive coordinator, who was the offensive coordinator for the Eagles last year. He's the coach of the Eagles. And I, I think Anthony Richardson, whether it's week one, it's going to be low single digits. And at that point, it's like, where do we even take Anthony Richardson?

Like, you know, if we think it's September, like, I love Daniel. I mean, should we be taking Daniel Jones over Anthony Richardson? Like, I don't know, Dak Prescott, really going to take Dak Prescott over Anthony Richardson? Hi, Vince, you're going to love this because this was exactly what we were talking about earlier. There was just a warm-up video. They're literally warming up, tossing the ball around to receivers. And I'm talking about Anthony Richardson.

and Gardner Minchew. And literally right next to each other and throwing to the opposite sides of the field. So it's like gives you a good just comparison. A literal warm up like pitches throwing soft off. Exactly. And people were freaking out because Anthony Richardson. And honestly,

it was pretty impressive. Like just the way, just the velocity difference between Minchew and Richardson. It's like, Mitch you probably decided to throw like a change up that particular throw. But it's going to maybe like hurt his, you know, hurt his chances at being the starters because Richardson

through like this is 95 mile an hour fastball to the receiver and Mitch you just kind of like lobbed it. But it's like such a huge contrast. It's insane. The captions like Anthony Richardson, QB1 season loading. They're warming up. The irony is that like, remember we were talking about Josh Allen earlier in his career?

They were like, he doesn't have a catchable ball of my hands hurt. And then someone asked Anthony Richardson that at the combat. He's like, well, catch better. Oh, man. It also looks like a lot of these rookie quarterbacks are going to play like the entire

preseason. C.J. Stroud, it looks like he's going to start the first game. Anthony Richardson, Bryce Young, they're all going to be out there for the first preseason game, which is fun. With an owner like Jim, Ursay, do you think there's any world in which,

like, Minchew's the start or week one? To me, it's like this is a huge, just stupid charade. Of course, they're going to start Anthony Richardson week one. Well,

I agree. I mean, I don't, Erse is a, like a wild guy, but I think that's, I think pretending to predict, like what Jim Ursa thinks is a fool's errand.

I think of Shane Steakins like, hey, Jim, can we wait like three weeks? What's it going to say? Like, no, we've got to get his butt in seats. Yeah, I kind of feel like he is going to say that. I'm hyping him up now. I actually agree with D.K.

I think he's going to say that. Okay, but they're not doing it. You know who's trying to sell tickets? The Jets. That's why the Jets have hard knocks. And that's why the Jets like did the trade when they did. Didn't the Jets are trying to sell tickets? I don't think the Jets wanted to do hard knocks.

I think they were forced to. Well, the player, it's up to Woody Johnson. No, I don't think it. coaches may not. I thought there was a group of 10 teams that were eligible to play, and none of them said yes. And so the NFL then chose the Jets against their will. Yeah.

I think it was a combo of that, but also Netflix doing this show definitely, I mean, lit a fire under Hard Knocks to have like a better product. And at Rogers is definitely like the best storyline. But also the Jets are very much trying to sell an increased season ticket packages and all that stuff. And that was a cherry on top for the Rogers deal. But I don't know.

I guess what I'm saying is even week one, two, whatever. Ian Hartett's had a great stat at Fantasy Life. There have been 20 instances where a quarterback had 100 carries in his season, like a quarterback having 100 carries. 13 of those 20 quarterbacks were a top six fantasy quarterback that year. 13. So more than half the guys who got 100 carries, 20 quarterbacks have got 100 carries, half the top 20, we're top three quarterback. So it's like, obviously,

Richardson is probably the lower end of those because his passing probably isn't great. But the point is Ian Harditz was like, no one's finished worse than quarterback 17. Like no one's been worse than his top 17 quarterback. And Richardson, like, you can kind of get him for that. So I'm like, I don't know. I look at this big tier of Daniel Jones, Gino Smith, Kirk Cousins, Dak Prescott, Tua, you can put him in there.

He probably is higher upside, but more injury risk. I kind of look at all those guys the same. And I'm like, there's only one Anthony Richardson. Like, you can get Richardson and pair him with Rogers. Just is it weird? Is it kind of crazy for me to be like, yeah, draft you back up first? That's basically what I'm saying. Maybe that's an insane thought.

But like, take Richardson and then Kirk Cuc, if you have to. Or take Kirk Cousins and then wait. for Richardson. If he plays 17 games, which, okay, maybe let's say 15 games. If he plays 15 games to get to 100 rushes, that's like six a game. That's nothing. That's not even that high of a bar. So basically what we're saying

is if he does six plus rushes a game, he's like almost guaranteed to be like a top 12 quarterback, maybe even higher. I mean, because you said the lowest guy, lowest finisher was QB17. I don't see that happening because I think he's going to run more and he's way more talented as a runner than, you know, basically most guys.

I'd say Lamar is probably the best runner at quarterback. Richardson could legitimately come in and be the second best runner at quarterback right away. Yeah, I mean, just for a reference of how kind of little 100 carries is, like Joe Burrow had 75 rushes last year. Yeah. And most of that scrambling. And I think, you know, obviously we'll have to wait and see, but I think that they're going to involve Anthony Richardson a lot in the designed run game.

In addition to, I'm guessing he's going to scramble a lot as well. So to me, this feels like a low bar and there's just tons and tons of ceiling. So this is why I've been touting him the whole offseason. I do think he's going to end up starting early in the season. I'd be surprised if he wasn't a week one starter. Just because of all the dynamics in that team, especially Jim Mersey, I don't know. I just think it's going to happen. All right. Other quarterback issues here. We got Sam Howell with Washington. It's Sam Howell and Jacoby percent there. It seems like it's going to be Sam Howell. I feel like Washington doesn't actually want a quarterback competition. But Sam Howell isn't really running away with the job. I think

they wanted him do better than he's doing. And it's a combo. Sam Hal was a fifth rounder for a reason. He's like a little spunky, but we're probably talking Sam Howell up because he's a fifth rounder. But if he was a second rounder, would be like, I don't know about this guy. The other problem is that Washington offense can't really practice because the

first team defense is destroying them. Like the offensive lines getting wrecked by the defensive line to the point where the offense has to practice against the backups on defense to get their offense to actually practice. So they can't get anything done, which that's a bad sign. I know Washington's four first rounders, but, you know, that's not good. So it's a top, bottom five offensive line with the bottom five quarterback.

And I think we should probably lower expectations maybe. I think we love Jahan Dotson. And I'm maybe a little afraid that this will still be a prayer yard situation. But overall bad vibes. This team is definitely the, I have the worst fucking attorneys team belt winner this year. Oh, yeah. Also, they had the most attorneys too. You don't know how many lawyers you need to have a $6 billion settlement while you're getting

investigated by two different congressional bodies? Yeah, Hyvitz, you coined the, I think you coined the term wishcasting, even if it was an accident, but I think we are wishcasting with Washington more than any other team in terms of we like all the skill players, but the offense actually might be a disaster. I think Howell is still a good sleeper, though. Like, assuming he wins a starting job, because right now it sounds like he's taking the vast, vast majority of the first team snaps in these practices, this offense could still be bad. He could be a pretty mediocre to downright terrible passer and the way that he scrambles and how

much he runs. But when you say sleeper, when you say sleeper, are you saying Sam Howell will be a sleeper isn't like, if he has a good week one or two, you'd be a person? pick him up in a one quarterback league? Were you saying like he's a good dart throw second quarterback or like an upside third quarterback if you're in a super flex league? Because I don't think you need to draft Sam Howell if you're in a one quarterback league. Yeah, I mean, he's a whatever you said, the second one, the dart throw second quarterback,

see what happens in week one or pick him up after week one. It's definitely a guy that you should go into the season depending on as your QB1 because again, we don't exactly know if he's going to be the starter even. But that being said, like stylistically, he strikes me. as a poor man's version of like, what we're looking for with Anthony Richardson in terms of just running a lot. You know,

they're very different, obviously, as quarterbacks, but yeah, congrats to Anthony, congrats the same Howell for being compared to Anthony Richardson for the first and only time he's life.

Yeah, but I mean, stylistically, he's going to, I think he's going to scramble a ton if he is a starter. So it's like the Daniel, to me it's closer to like a Daniel Jones.

Like he's probably going to have a, um, mediocre passing line, probably not a lot of passing touchdowns, but, running a lot. Yeah, here's the difference. He's not going to be running by choice, you know?

He's running for his life. Anthony Richardson's going to run because he's good. Sam Howe's going to run to not die. Right. Okay. Next up here, we got the Buccaneers, which Baker Mayfield versus Kyle Trask. I learned earlier this year that if you text,

you try to write Kyle Trask in your iPhone, it autocorrects to trash. And all you didn't know about this is I thought Baker May, I'm not trying to say that in a mean way. It's like literally a fact. Like, that's a fact. Baker Mayfield, I thought, would run this with this job running away. All reports are basically

say that Kyle Trask has straight up outplayed Baker Mayfield so far. Baker's not even getting starting money. He's getting $4 million. And they already, we've already come out. Baker is going to start the first preseason game. Kyle Trask isn't to start the second preseason game. Oh, interesting. Okay. And it seems like this is a real competition

and it seems like Trask is doing everything needs to do to win. So he has to keep, he needs a good month, but it's looking that way right now. This is going to be fascinating. Trask, he was not a particularly good prospect. However, I will say when he came out of Florida, his last year at Florida,

he passed for 4,300 yards, 43 touchdowns and eight picks at almost 10 yards per attempt. He was throwing passes to Kyle Pitts and Cadarious Tony, our two favorite players on this podcast. So that was helpful for him. And he's not, he's definitely not a mobile type guy. He's not going to do anything with his legs. He's basically Jared Gophian in terms of. of like his mobility. But at least in college,

he was willing to like chuck it deep, give his playmakers a chance to make plays. In his very limited amount of like mop-up duty and stuff, he's made a couple of pretty impressive throws. I'm not hyping him up, but I think it is actually maybe more interesting. You are, you are hyping him up. I'm talking myself into him is what I'm doing.

I don't want to watch Bigger Mayfield anymore, really. Dickey just hipes a guy up for 60 seconds in a row. It's like, I'm not hyping him up, but he sat behind Tom Brom, Brady, the greatest quarterback ever for two years after 5,000 yards in Florida, but I'm not hyping him up. Just saying. I'm just saying. Speaking of referencing kind of just perhaps irrelevant college stats and projecting them in the NFL. So this next guy we want to talk about here is a guy named Clayton Toon, who might be the starting quarterback on the Arizona

Cardinals ahead of Colt McCoy, who's been resting his arm because he's an old man and he needs to rest it from arm fatigue, I guess. But Clayton Tune is a man I hadn't heard of. till three days ago. Clayton Tune went to... Clayton Ho! Clayton Houn? Who? Clayton Hune? Clayton, that is! Looney Tunes

went to Houston for... For five years, he was in college. But senior year, D.K., or his super senior year, 40 touchdowns, 10 picks. Is this guy the truth? I don't... He also ran for 500 yards at five touchdowns, D.K. Yeah, this is what I was going to say.

So, High Fitz wanted us to do a two-truth and a lie about Clayton Tunes since Craig... or since Craig literally said, I've just heard about this man for the first time three days ago. So here's three, here's three, two facts and one untruth about Clayton, and you guys have to pick which one it is.

Two facts and one untruth. Two truths and a lie. Okay. We've been doing this for like two years. I'm like trying to change the name of Twitter to X. Have you guys seen you can't retweet anymore? Now it's repost. This man.

Oh my God. Anyway. What? What does that have to do with anything? You're talking about how I'm changing our branding. We've been doing this for like two years now, and I completely changed the name of the game to two facts and an untruth. I like two facts and an untruth.

Let's put that on a t-shirt. Two truths and a lie about Clayton, here we go. Ready? Okay. He had the same PFF passing grade last year as Bryce Young, which is 91.3. He ranked third in the college football, in all of college football on passing touchdowns. with 40, behind only Caleb Williams and C.J. Stroud. And he was, he led the team in rushing.

That's one fact. And then third, he was the Senior Bowl MVP. Wait. So the middle fact is that he's third all time in touchdowns and led the team in rushing? He ranked third in college football in passing touchdowns, and he led the team in rushing. And then the last one, he sees the MVP of the Senior Bowl. Yeah. I think the first one is fake.

Haifitz? I think so too. Nope. You guys are both wrong. He did have the same passing grade, according to PFF, as Bryce Young last year, who, by the way, was the first overall pick. And he was not the Senior Bowl MVP.

That was Jake Hainer. Ah, Jay Caner. Fresno? He was in the Super Senior Bowl with Stetson Bennett. Yeah. So anyways, bottom line, like obviously the underlying metrics for this guy are really impressive.

He was, you know, he passed for a ton of yards, a ton of touchdowns. They played in this spread out air rate offense, which is, I think, kind of, you know, they're not too dissimilar to, he's not very dissimilar to Cal Trask, like, stylistically. Not super mobile. Doesn't make a ton of plays on the move.

Or, I mean, he is pretty athletic, but he's more just like a pocket guy, throw the ball up, let his playmakers do their thing and hope for the best. Decision making maybe not the greatest. But I don't know, there is legitimately a chance. He could be their starter week one. He could be the Cardinal starter because Colt McCoy, you know, he's just not going to, he's like irrelevant at this point.

Like maybe he'll be the bat. Maybe he'll be the starter for the first few games when Cala Murray's out, but he's not going to be like elevating them whatsoever. But also, Bacoy, he's like having a rotate. He's had arm strength. Like they're resting his arm. They're load bandaging his arm, which, you know, is an awesome. I love the NFL in college football.

None of it makes any sense. This guy is like had an incredible year. A historic season. He goes in the fifth round. No one gives a shit just because why. he's like not super mobile. Explain to me why this guy was a late fifth round pick. I don't really know, honestly.

Like, he probably should have gone a little higher, to be totally honest. I mean, just based on, he's not small. He's like, I think he's pretty tall,

like six three or six four. He's six three, two 20. That's like a perfect size. The right size. And it's, you know, what,

what rounded Calatresco? I think Kyle Tras was a second rounder. I'll look it up. Um, he was the last pick of the second round. Yeah, so 64th. I think that's,

third rounder spiritually. stylistically similarities there. I think he probably should have been a second rounder. But then the NFL has like really changed the last couple of years. Like we saw, you know, in the 2022 draft, all the guys fell way, way further than anyone was expecting. You know, there are people thought that Malik Willis was going to be a first rounder. There's a lot of people that thought Sam Howell was going to be like a second rounder and

he fell to the fifth round too. So I don't know. It's just kind of a, there's been a little bit of a paradigm change in the NFL when it comes to drafting quarterbacks. I don't know why exactly. But. And again, I'm actually. actually not hyping up Clayton Toon.

I feel the same way I do about him with Kyle Trask is like, I'll just be kind of interested to see how this all goes. I don't think that they have like high level starter traits necessarily, but it's hard to ignore what these two guys both did in college in terms of their numbers.

I don't know what to say. This makes it interesting. We're going to watch the preseason, Craig. Let's do this. Babe, sorry, I can't go to dinner tonight. Clayton Toons playing. Looney Toons. NFL futures are out, and now's the time to get in on the action early this season

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Fendell.com. Let's get to some true irresponsible hype for some rising players. Okay. Yeah. Craig, you want to start out? Just get some irresponsible hype going. Also, at some point, we should like make up something that tries to get hype going. but we should figure that out later.

I've said this before on podcast in the last few weeks. If you are considering drafting George Pickens, just Google George Pickens' highlights. And you will be convinced immediately... He has won every day. That he is a top 10 receiver in the league. He had another ridiculous one-handed catch in training camp like a week ago. Some like deep ball, high contested.

He's like falling over the defender, reaches back with his right arm, reels it in. And I don't know what I'm. us to say. I'm on the train. We're running out of tickets on the train. DM me if you want a ticket. Be on the right side of history. Hi Fitts does know what to say. I'm on board with you, Craig. Hyvitz. What can you say? I mean, look, is he going to be good for fantasy? Probably not. Is he really good in real life? Yes, he is.

I think the most, like, underrated thing we ever ask ourselves about fantasy is like, is this guy fun or not? Frankly, I think that there's so much numbers and shit that goes into this. We sometimes forget to ask, is it fun to watch this person play football? Dude, George Pickens's, like, first ballot for the year of 2023. But I just, it reminds me like Calvin Johnson when it's like, I cannot describe to you what it felt like to watch Calvin Johnson play football and be like, that guy's on my team. And, like, I think Patrick Mahomes is like that now where it's like, you just get to root for Patrick Mahomes. Like, you know what? it's fun, especially if teams not going to make playoffs.

George Pickens, like, when you get like the ESPN alert from like, not fantasy, but like actual ESPN, that's like, hey, look at what George Pickens did. You're like, oh my God, that skies on my team. Like, if there was a, look what this player just did power rankings of wide receivers. The first like five are all top five receivers in the league. And then it's George Pickens. It's like Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, Tyree Kill, and then it's Pickens. You can already see the new Red So.

on YouTube TV, it's going to be like, look at George Pickens, you'll never believe this one. So there's a thought. I don't know what to do with Pickens because Craig, like you were saying, he might not even be that good in fantasy because he, at least last year, didn't earn targets at a very high rate. And when I say that, I'm saying, I'm saying it was a little skepticism because I don't know the exact science of earning targets. Like, is that actually a thing? And, you know, historically, if you go back, like, receivers generally earn targets or they're just not going to earn targets.

I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that they limited Kenny Pickett because they were just sending George Pickett's deep, essentially, on every single play. And Kenny Pickett was checking down to Deontay Johnson and Najee Harris and Pat Fryermuth for most of the season. And look, and the reports out of Steelers camp are once again that they're going to be a really run heavy team. So I don't think you can expect eight, nine targets a game for George Pickens, unfortunately. If he got those, I think he could have been a top 20 receiver. But it's going to be a lot of fun highlights and a lot of deep balls that he comes down with. But unfortunately, I don't think that's going to translate to high fantasy value unless there are some drastic changes. And he's truly generational.

And they literally can't afford not to throw to him. That's what I was kind of getting to is when you see him make these plays, when you see him makes these catches, the first thing that comes on my mind is like, maybe throw him the fucking ball more. You know what I mean? Like give him more chances. And that's why I was getting at with like the quote unquote earning targets thing is like we know in this offense. He was very, he was asked to just run these vertical clear out routes like a lot of the time. Like that was like a huge part of what he did last year. And so my question is like, is that his fault because he can't get open otherwise?

He can't run an in breaking route or is it just like more of a variable. This is the type of offense they want to run. And they were limiting their rookie quarterback, trying not to get him to throw too many picks. Because if you remember, when Kenny Pickett first started, he came in and threw like six picks in the first like two games. And some of them were not his fault. There's like deflections and things like that. But maybe, you know, after that horrid start, they were like, okay, hold on. We just don't want to like lose his confidence.

We don't want to get everybody turning against him. I don't know. Maybe these, maybe there's just a bunch of variables that are clouding how good George Pickens is. I guess I'm trying to create a narrative in which I, which in which he in year two has like a way higher. target rate and just basically like lives up to some of the expectations. The narrative, I think, is simple. We've talked about this. The Steelers put the bumpers up on the bowling lane for Kenny Pickett because it came

into the season and they played, think about these defenses. These are Kenny Pickett's first live action in the NFL. Jets with their defense last year. Bills, Tampa Bay, who still had like eight of their Super Bowl starters. The dolphins were the easiest team they played. The Eagles who made the Super Bowl is Saints, whose defense is really good. The Bengals who almost made the Super Bowl. Like that was the first stretch.

Like they were like, yeah, you're not going to get. to run a real offense. So I think Pickens is, dude, if you believe in the concept of betting on talent, bet on Pickens, speaking of which, well, Craig gets to plug his team. Darren Waller, I'm just, I'm letting love it in my heart. I'm learning to love again. I think it's really simple. I think Darren Waller will be a top five tight end every single week he plays and I don't know how much he's going to play. I'll just tell you the truth. Like, I don't freaking know. Like, we moved him up in our rankings. Where is he actually after a later update? We have him as the tight end. seven, which feels way too low, way too low.

Right now we have obviously Travis Kelsey first, Mark Andrews, second, T.J. Hawkinson, third, Kittle, fourth, Goddard, fifth, Kyle Pitts, sixth, and then Darren Waller, seven. He should be about Goddard. I have decided to stop being afraid. Yeah, and Pitts. I realized I'm going to, I was too afraid

because at the end of the day, Darren Waller was like 31 is a two healthy seasons of his name. And I think I was too afraid that he's going to get hurt. and I'm more opening my heart too as your buddy Scott Barrett's mentioned in fantasy points the importance of just having a freaking dominant player and sometimes they're just staring you in the face of like if you're not going to get Kelsey early

just having the player who actually can be number two but you didn't pay for it and like who are the tight ends that could actually be the number one option on their team Travis Kelsey obviously Mark Andrews obviously it's kind of it's like not George Kittle he's like second third maybe fourth on the 49th Tj Hopkins it's like second maybe third on the Vikings

Dallas got her's third on the Eagles Kyle Pitts is one, if not one A, one B with Drake London. And Darren Waller, it's like, it's not close. It's not freaking close. Darren Waller's the number one receiver. He's a receiver. He's huge. He makes all the other receivers look really small.

His defenders look small. George Kittles said he was the fastest player at the tight end summit they did a couple months ago. He's the fastest player of all the tight ends who play. And I'm just like, he's the smartest too. The Giants have a bunch of like young players. Darren Waller's already in Brian Dable's offense, like working with Dable and Daniel Jones to figure out when he can break off routes and

and what he's allowed. Darren Lowe is smart enough to break the rules of the offense, which is like that veteran move, I just it's purely how long his hamstrings last. Been seeing a few videos of him at training camp. He's wearing number 12 now. How do we feel about that? It just looks weird to me. It's weird

for older players to go with the young people numbers. He's wearing number 12. That's just, that's my red flag but otherwise I agree with everything else. That's your ick? Yeah, that's my ick. Just 12. It just doesn't look, it just looks weird. on a tight end. I don't know. Well, Kyle Pitts is what was one or zero?

That one I get. That one makes sense to me. Travis Kelsey is 87. Yeah. Just an old guy number. That's old school. Darren Waller's like having a midlife crisis, so he decided to go with number 12. He bought a Corvette. Darren Waller, I'm ready to move him above Pitts. Like, I think my heart, my beating heart was afraid to actually think about a world where

Darren Waller would be healthy for 17 games. But if he was, I think that he would actually be like, I think it actually, if Darren Wall was healthy for 17 games, I think the only tight end I'd take over him are Kelsey and the market entries. Yeah. So I'm, I say we move up while are like all the way past pits into like the mid-60s. And I think I'm totally fine with that. I agree.

TK., are any other hype guys that you kind of are ready to be completely irresponsible about hyping them up? Yeah. So Calvin Ridley is another guy that has, it's like almost daily, it feels like. He's just getting a lot of hype and training camp every day. It seems like you hear him, hear about him running a really sick rap. or making a really impressive catch, getting a ton of separation.

Sports Illustrated beat reporter John Shipley called him on Sunday one of the standout performers of the entire roster during the first two weeks of camp. And to me, it's just like, we haven't seen him for two years or most of two years. And so I think there's still some trepidation over, you know, how much he was potentially falling off or whatever.

But this was one of the elite receivers in the NFL before he, you know, left the game for a little while. And then obviously he was suspended all, last year. He has a potential to be like a top 10 receiver in in 2023, but I think people are just still a little bit nervous about the fact that he's missed two years. So I think it's really, really promising that he's been one of the standout performers in training camp for the Jags. And he's, of course, attached to who we think is maybe one of the elite receiver or elite quarterbacks going forward in Trevor Lawrence. So, you know, there's a lot of, a lot to like with

him going forward. And he's, he's a type of guy, I think, who could really outplay where he's being drafted. Yeah. Is there anything like going against? Calvin Ridley other than the fact that he hasn't played in a year and a half. Like, is there any other red flag? I guess he's a little older, but that's, I mean, that's sort of the same thing. He's 28, but he hasn't played in a year and a half. I can't believe he wears the number zero, speaking of zero. Like, zero is absolute coolest number you could possibly wear.

Yeah, love that. I'm very high on Calvin Ridley this year, and I think he will be creeping up draft boards, rightfully so. Who else wears number zero? I'm so bad with numbers. I have no idea. Oh, D' Andre Swift. DeAndre Swift's going to wear zero.

Oh, did he switch? Oh, that's nice. I think Skymore at 24, I still think is the weirdest number. That's terrible. Skymore looks like a cornerback out there. I don't like it at all. A couple of the running backs that I feel like of getting hype and we moved up in our rankings.

I think just James Cook for the Bills and Giovante Williams for the Broncos. I'm just going to lump these guys together. But I think James Cook, we were thinking as like a past catching time share role for the bills. And I actually think it's just going to be like their primary guy and maybe not get goal and stuff. But I kind of think James Cook is, again, Josh Allen's not exactly Captain Checkdown.

He's more like, oh, no one's open. I'm going to like bowl over a linebacker and then leap of safety. So he's not really looking for checkdown like Philip Rivers. But I do think James Cook is just, again, bet on talent. He's good, good team, good offense. Don't overthink it. And Chavonte Williams, I think that, frankly, he's like back at practice earlier than we thought. He would.

He's back. Sean Payton's saying that Chavante was going to play in the preseason and get ready for week one. So now it's kind of weird because you don't really want to go out of your way to get a running back. that's like coming off these big injuries, but at the same time, like, it's pretty cheap. So now him and Samajai P. Ryan, I like P. Ryan, but honestly, Javante Williams being back, probably thinks P. Ryan a little bit.

I don't know if I want to go out of my way to get Javante william still, but I think the two of them, between Javante being on the field now and playing, and then James Cook just looking really good. I think between the two of those guys, those are like pretty great options if you can get them like, you know,

in the 90s, it's pretty good. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Both of those guys strike me as, having a ton of potential to like way outplay where you're getting them for sure. Speaking of James Cook, by the way, Dalton Kincaid from the Buffalo Bills has been getting a ton of hype in training camp. Rookie tight end. Rookie tight end, which is always scary. But is he just a slot receiver actually?

Like, are they actually going to ask him to block? Because I think part of the, part of the reason historically rookie tight ends have struggled so much is because they're essentially having to learn two positions. They're learning. They're having to learn how to be like an. offensive tackle more or less. Learn the run game, learn how to block a pass pro. And a lot of times, teams don't really want to trust those guys to do that. And so a lot of the time, those guys don't end up getting on the field quite as early.

And it takes them a little bit longer to kind of like acclimate to the pro game. But on the other hand, when it comes to rookie tight ends that are purely just like slot receivers. And Hyphus was talking about this before the show, guy like Evan Ingram, who came into the league, ran a 4-4 at the combine, very undersized. Not even, I mean, he's a tight end by designation only. and he had a really good rookie season and maybe we're going to see more rookie tight ends come in and just play like essentially slot receiver roles in the offense

and that will, you know, make it a little less scary to take a rookie tight end or at least hype up a rookie tight end coming into the year. So because I know that like there's a lot of people that are going to be pushing back against the idea that Dalton Kincaid

could do anything as a rookie because rookie tight ends typically don't. But I kind of am getting excited about what Donn Kincaid can do in this offense. There's a lot of rookie tight end hype right now. There's Dalton Kincaid on Buffett Luke Musgrave and Green Bay and Sam Leporta on the Lions. All seemingly will be the number ones on their team.

Yeah. D.K., if you had to pick one of them to have a significant role on an offense and actually be kind of a relevant fantasy football player, who is it? I think, so to me, it comes down to Kincaid versus Leporta. I think right now it's probably Leporta just because they got Amon-Ross St. Brown and then who else at receiver right now? You know what I mean? Like, he could legitimately come in and be the number two pass-catching option.

if you're not counting Jemir Gibbs in that offense. I think Kincaid has a few more guys they used to sort of fight off or like fight for targets with in terms of Gabe Dave, a couple other guys in that offense. It's just a little less certain to me. But like Leporta and our guy, Ben Solac, he was at Lions camp the other day. And he was saying, you know, Leporta's already in there running with the ones, getting a ton of looks. I just think he has the ability to really kind of like surprise people this year.

So he's definitely a guy who would take. But I like Kincaid also. And Musgrave already sounds like he's running with the starters. So he's another sleeper guy. So you think all these guys are like worthy of a dart throw late in your draft? Yeah, like it exactly. Like if you're, if you don't get one of the elite tight ends and you have to kind of like rely on a few late round darts, typically you want to take like two see if one of them works out two or three. Depends.

Yeah, I would say pair one of these guys with like a, I don't even know who off the top of my head like a Hunter Henry or something like that. A couple late round guys and see if one of them works out. Really just make your whole bench shitty tight ends. on your fantasy roster and hopefully one sticks. Greg Dulcich and then Kincaid or something like that. Noah Fant, Colcomette, really loaded up. One of them of them. Gerald. Yeah.

Who is bound to work. Actually taking Gerald Everett with Kincaid or Leporta. I think that's like, ooh, I like that a lot. That's like a boiler maker. I'll tweak Leporta. I do think this whole thing is the rest of development. Like drafting rookie tight ends is always a terrible idea. But it could work for us. But this one actually could work for us because this whole thing was, this was a great tight end class. This was the best tight end class.

This was the best tight-in class in years. And as Dick has said, like, they're not really tight-ends. So I think Kincaid and Musgrave are the exceptions because they're not, they're just cosplaying as tight ends. But, you know, look, it generally people just delusioned themselves or delude themselves into thinking it'll work. I just love the idea of you passing up on Mark Andrews because you're like, you know what, I'm going to wait and get some value.

And then you kind of just double up and draft Gerald Everett and Sam Leporto thinking that you're going to have a solid season. Oh, you guys, I can piece that together for a top five tight end. They can find for three catches. You're miserable every week just digging through the waiver wire, trying to find anybody who can catch four balls in a game. But Ben Solac tweeted on August 6th. This is this year.

This is La Porta's year. I'm ready for it. I watched the video of Jordan Love the other day while we're talking about hype. I think Jordan Love is going to... I know it's not to take birds yet, but I'm just having to talk myself out of Jordan Love. High Fitz is all aboard the Jordan Love train. I kind of got to say,

maybe this is because this is the only 11-11 I've really watched so far. this offseason, but Jordan Love looked really good. Dude, he was ripping it. He was ripping it. He was ripping throws across the middle of field. I was like, hmm, this is kind of interesting. Interesting. I'm not saying he's Aaron Rogers. I'm saying he's going to be better than Aaron.

Yeah, I don't know. It was kind of just like I was walking down the street. A nice smell caught my nose. And I was like, what is that? Oh, a nice little bakery over there? That's Jordan Love. Nice little something caught my nose. Not bad. I'll have to pop in there, try something. I saw this tweet today.

I don't know if it's real. I think it's real. The Packers announced that the Stone Temple pilots and collective soul are headlining their kickoff weekend. What the fuck is that combination? Can I be honest with you? I don't even know what that is. What is happening in the Midwest? This is like, are they opening their, are they kicking off their football season at a casino?

Like, what is this? I'm being serious when I say I genuinely don't know what I think of those fans are. Judging by Hafeitz's like non-responsious. I don't know these fucking bands. Because they were popular when I was a kid. These are very old like 90s bands. I feel like, you know, this is a new era of Green Bay, right? You have a young quarterback coming in.

You should try and play a contemporary band. This isn't your 40-year-old quarterback coming back for year 18 here. Get some fresh blood in here, not some random rock band from the 90s. I think that this tells you, just like the music for insurance commercials tells you who they're trying to get. I think this tells you about who owns Packers. These are all like the 70-year-old grumps who hate the idea of Jordan Love being their quarterback and maybe the, what is it, the Stone Temple Pilots? I love that you've never even heard of the Stone Temple Pilots. It's because they're fan bases from the Stone Age.

That's clearly what they're trying to tell you. Collective soul. Well, it's Craig, you know how it's like when we were growing up? Wow, you know, respect to Tom Petty and Bree Springsteen. But wow, they have like old bands for old people. And then they're like, oh, glad they're doing cool people now, like Eminem and, oh, I'm old. I'm old. train, Steve dog, like, I'm old.

Those guys are in the 60s. I don't like the idea of this Jordan Love starting for us, but boy, do I love the Stone Temple Pilots. I might have to head over there. It's actually insanely spot on. All I need to know is if they, do they have a version of Start Me Up that they can play? I got to be up. I got to say hi.

If you'll have me, I'd like to take the passenger seat next to you on the Jordan Love Express. Oh, dude. It's not filling up like the George Pickens bandwagon. We got plenty of tickets. We're going to have a sale soon. All right. You guys want to do some emails? The love train.

Emails. This is what we're calling it. The love train. People of the world. The love boat. That was a show, Greg. I know. I know about Love Boat.

Just because I don't know Stone Temple Pilots doesn't mean I don't know very popular television. Okay. I was from Jay. Jay. Hey, guys. After hearing you guys mentioned Taysam Hill, I remembered a funny story from college that I thought I'd share. Back in 2015, Taysam Hill and I were both interviewing for the same summer internship.

We both went to the company's office for a second round job interview. Like a super day. Taysam had had a seasonating foot injury in 2015 that he was still recovering from. So he was hobbled in person. But the prior year, BYU completely smoked my University of Texas Longhorns. They beat us 41 to 7. And Tasem had four touchdowns, three alone just from Russian. Fast forward to the job interview.

there's a happy hour event the day before, and this is in Dallas. So the office is just full of big 12 school alumni. And all the managers, everyone hiring, everyone who works there, all they want to talk about is that I think they think it's funny that I went to Texas and Texas got smoked by Tayson Hill and Tayson Hill standing right here. And they made fun of me for two hours. And I didn't even get the chance to talk about why I was qualified for the job. I'm convinced that like the reasons why people get jobs, like 80% of it is if you went

to the same college as the person interviewing you, you're good. That's just how it works. So the world works, Craig. So you know. Well, obviously, I like the high level. Like, if you went to an Ivy, that definitely helps. But I just feel like two dudes who are just like, you went to Michigan, I like this guy. And that's kind of it.

What the, what? What internship was this? That's what I want to know. I think it was private equity. That was it? So this guy didn't get the job? Is that what we're learning? Yes, he did not get the job.

No, he did not get it. And Tassum Hill did not either or did Taseb Hill? I mean, I assume not. I feel like we know that. Okay. Then again, who knows? We should check his link to. Just one more thing that he does for the Saints is all the private equity stuff that they need.

Yeah, he handles all the investment banking for New Orleans. Yeah, another job that he like is listed at but doesn't actually do. This explains why Champagne loves him so much, I think. Handles his money. Yeah. All right. This is from Dano B. Dan. Which is another Dan.

Dan. As a 49-year-old listener, I may. be out of your usual demographic. Hell yeah. When you guys are going through your pre- internet problems, no one talked about playing fantasy football before the internet. Oh yeah, Bill talks about this a lot. Yeah. My home league is going

into our 26th year before the web. I would have my daily news and newsday papers at my desk on Monday morning, and I did not do any work until all player stats were double-checked and recorded by hand into my notebook for that year and I still have all of them in storage. You could try and get an idea of what your score was Sunday night by watching NFL prime time and catching stats on the screen.

but no DVRs to pause. Once the games were over for the week, I'd print a standing sheet with the week's results and pass them out the next Sunday at the bar where we watched games. And if you wanted to add a player on waivers, yeah, right, you had a half-hour time slot on Friday night because there were no Thursday games yet,

and you could call me for your waiver. That sounds like so much insane work. How did people do this? Bill used to mail the scores to all of his league mates every week. How did this sport get off its off the ground? That's what I want to know. they used to have to cut the commissioner like a portion of the league winnings just for the work that went into running just for postage.

I kind of miss when fantasy required more work. Like it's almost too easy now and like you actually can't excuse your job to do three hours of fantasy on Monday. I kind of liked back in the day, even when we were getting started when like everything was a bit more analog. And now it's just like so clean and digital. You could set your lineup and do everything in like 10 minutes. Yeah, now it's kind of like how all the tech CEOs send their kids to schools that like have no phones or screens. and they just farm. It's like, Craig, host a fantasy football podcast. And he's like, I missed when we did this over mail. And I didn't know if I won until Friday.

I just want to live in a little home on a mountain. All right. A couple dad stories. Nice. Michael sent an email about gifts. My dad absolutely refuses to shit anywhere other than his own toilet. That's a class of people. There's a group that do that.

There's dozens of them out there. Home shitters. So I bought my dad a bidet. My dad refuses to, install the bidet. He got mad at me when I threatened to install the bidet for him. And my dad said, quote, I've been wiping my ass for 60 years. I think I got it figured out.

Hard to argue with that, dad. Yes, great point. Just six decades of experience wiping his ass. No issue there, pops. Can I get you a beer? Wow. That's thought that was an old timer. Okay. This one's from Coulter. Coulter.

Cult. My father is 74 years old. he's doing great. Want to be clear he's doing great. But a while ago, he had a bunch of health issues all at the same time. Major heart surgery,

a follow-up surgery, he had a lump of skin removed. He's all good now, but a little bit ago, there was a lot going on at the same time. And while all this was going on, I wanted to be around my phone.

And I told him one day, I'm going to family dinner with my wife's side of the family. An hour into dinner, he texts me, call me, urgent. Classic. The most dad thing ever.

Call me, urgent. I call my father absolutely panicked. It turns out his urgent text was Apple had removed Spotify from his phone and he no longer listens to music. Not only that, my dad doesn't even use Spotify. My dad has been using title for a deck. Title? I didn't know they still had title. So my dad can't play music for some reason.

And I walked my dad through how to find title, then how to find Miles David, and then how to airplay Miles David onto his TV. speakers and then order was restored and I could go back to dinner. Listen, people love their music, you know? That was urgent. The terse, the terse texts from parents, they got to learn to use a few more words. I get a lot of the call me ones too and I'm always like, okay, who's dead? Like, someone's dead.

Also, I don't know if I'm just a rube, but I don't know who Miles David is. Is that Miles Davis? Oh, I googled him. He's a jazz musician. It's not Miles Davis. It's not Miles Davis? I think, no, I think there's two. Oh, never mind.

When I googled Miles David, it auto-corrected to Miles Davis, and I didn't notice. No, I think he just misspelled Miles. Is he doing a reverse boomer thing here calling Miles Davis, Miles David? Yeah, actually, yeah, this is a double. He doesn't know who Miles Davis is. Miles David. No, the S is next to the D. Like, he probably just did get autocorrected.

Maybe Colter's dad calls him Miles David. That's possible. Fantasyfootball.30.com. Please go there. Our rankings are great. Go there on your phone. It looks so good. You can save players.

It's fun. Email us at ringing fantasy football at gmail.com. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you, Kai. Thank you, Jack, for help behind the scenes. Thank you, Lord. Thank you, Miles Davis. You a jazz guy?

Wow, Miles Davis over the Stone Temple pilots. STP, baby. I'm kind of more of a Miles David guy, personally. I was actually pretty into the Stone Temple pilots back in the day. There's some hits. Go look up the song. Interstate Love Song.

That one I think you probably recognize. Okay. Someone who listens to our show has loved Miles Davis and is like so excited for us to talk about it. He's been waiting for years. He's like, finally, Miles Davis. I'll go to the Stone Temple Pilots. I'll check them out.

Stone Temple Pilots. Interstate love song? I'm going to go to week one in Green Bay and check them out. I actually own a share of the Packers. I'm like invited to that event. Like I actually have a legal right to go. It's like the end of Mr. Deeds. I am allowed to be there.

I'm a shareholder. I was going to do Taylor Swift tomorrow, but I think I'm going to punt that for all Stone Temple pilots. You might have to give us your review of Taylor Swift on the show. I'm happy to. Okay. D.K., get ready to,

I wonder who we're going to think for that one. Probably Hyme. I was going to say hi. Yeah. All right. Goodbye, everyone. Must be 21 plus and present in select states. Fandul is offering online sports wagering in Kansas under an agreement with Kansas Star Casino LLC.

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