The Ringer NFL Show - Training Camp Risers, Fallers, and Latest Injury News

Episode Date: July 29, 2025

Subscribe to our new YouTube channel! The guys discuss the most significant developments from training camp so far and catch up on some recent injury news around the league, including the Raiders releasing Christian Wilkins, the 49ers' wide receiver room (or lack thereof), QB competition in Cleveland, and much more. Plus, emails! (00:00) Intro(00:41) Justin Jefferson’s hamstring injury(09:51) Raiders release Christian Wilkins(19:45) The 49ers' WR room(26:59) Justin Fields’s toe injury(32:49) Matt Stafford’s back issue(36:22) Joe Mixon’s “frustrating” foot injury(39:25) Travis Hunter practicing both ways(43:12) Michael Penix Jr.’s quote on Kyle Pitts(49:02) Browns QB competition(52:09) Other training camp observations(01: 16:50) Emails! Check out our 2025 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Sponsored by YahooFantasy #YahooPartner. Play Now at yahoofantasy.com/promo Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig HorlbeckProducers: Kai Grady and Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Rear Fantasy Football Show. My name is Dan Hypers, and I'm joined by Danny Kelly, Craig Horlebeck, and we are going over. Training camp news, 32 teams are in training camps. We're basically like drinking from 32 different fire hydrants right now. Just there's so much news, so much information, so much to go through. 82% of it is totally useless. 18% of it is like actually, oh wow, Christian McAfri's hurt.

And we should have paid attention to that. So we're going to try to sift through everything going on, figure out what's important, what's not. And I want to just get right into it, starting with Justin Jefferson, one of seven players to get a 99 overall Madden this year already injured. Jefferson, eighth player in our rankings overall, third receiver in our rankings behind Jamar Chase and CD Lamb

at fantasyfutball.3.com. Our rankings there, got a little facelift. Craig, what is going on with Justin Jefferson? So he, it doesn't seem to be serious. Kevin O'Connell seems to say, you know, revaluating in a week, not nervous about it, not worried about week one. You never like to hear these things.

The soft tissue stuff in training camp is always scary. even if we overreact. It's hard not to because of the Christian McCaffrey's possibilities of the world. It is notable to say that he tore his hamstring two years ago and missed half the season.

2023, Justin Jefferson. This is the opposite hamstring, but he's had a history of these injuries. You guys have always been a little bit higher on Jefferson this offseason than I have. I have him just a tick lower. We have him as our eighth overall player, wide receiver three.

We have him behind just Jamar Chase and Cid Lam, right? Before kind of the next tier. He's at the top of that next tier. Collins, Pooka, Niccoa, Monoros, St. Brown, and Malik neighbors. You know, I don't, I don't think this is, this is enough to change the rankings. If, however you previously felt about Justin Jefferson, I don't think this is enough to change that just yet.

Do you agree? Yeah, I think you have to just kind of like wait and see if it bleeds into the preseason. If we're still talking about this in two or three weeks, then you start to maybe like, if it's August 20th and he still like hasn't practiced yet, then things start to change. But it's not August yet. we have some time, re-evaluating in a week. They think it's minor. Craig, I will say that we will hit the panic button later on in the show for other players.

I don't think you should do it for Justin Jefferson. Hamstrings for your star players, not what you want. No. I'll say that. Not what do you want? Did we, what do we rebrand it? Because remember, it's like pull a hamstring. Tare.

It's a ture. It's a whimsical. But yeah, pull the hamstring's a tear. So it's like a ripped it. You tore your leg. Yeah. If they call it a minor hamstring tear, he's dropping five spots. That's what it.

Is it bad that it's so stupid as that? I do think that actually changes how we look at it. Like, I pulled his atmosphere. It's like, yeah, well, yeah, when Dak Prescott does it off the bone. I think, I guess the question overall, to your point, though, Craig, is maybe the injury doesn't matter. But basically, I think it just goes back to the Vikings overall as being one of the, weirdest teams to evaluate for this season because basically they won 14 games

and then swapped out their quarterback for a guy that's never played in the NFL. And J.J. McCarthy's basically the only first-run quarterback to ever not plays rookie season at all. Didn't have that much experience at Michigan anyway and kind of just not game managed because I think JJ McCarthy has talent, but wasn't like he was just throwing balls across the yard at Michigan when they went undefeated with just defense and a running game. So I mean, DK, looking at this team, I mean, you know, you're a draft expert for us and looking at everything you watched the JJ McCarthy in film before, everything you saw at the Vikings last year. Do you feel like Jefferson should be in this tier with Jamar Chase and Cididlam at the top? Or do you think he is just interchangeable with the Pukunakua, Ammanra, St. Brown, Nico Collins where it's like, should Jefferson be closer to the fifth pick or like the 12th pick in a fantasy draft? I think probably the latter, honestly, at this point.

The thing with Jefferson, though, is like he's always been such a prolific receiver no matter who's throwing passes. The most prolific ever. He literally currently has the most yards per game in the history of the NFL. So I don't think you want to overreact too much. But I will say, and I think this was kind of the story with JJ McCarthy coming into the league, at least for me, it was this is a big projection because like you said, Hyvitz, he was playing in an offense where he was. He wasn't asked to carry the team. He wasn't often asked to, like, have them come back from big deficits. It was a run heavy, play defense. And his job was to take care of the football. He did make some really impressive throws on tape.

But I think the big knock on him, if you want to call it that, is like he didn't face a ton of adversity from that point of view where he was like having to, you know, put the entire offense on his shoulders and lead them back from big deficits. So it to me is he remains a projection. So I think you have to bake in a little bit of doubt. that it's going to be a high volume passing game or a highly efficient passing game. We don't know that yet. I think you can always kind of assume that was going to happen with Kirk Cousins. Last year, Sam Darnold was far more efficient and far more prolific than anyone thought he would be. So I think I'm still open to the idea that J.J. McCarthy could have an awesome,

and this isn't his rookie year, but first year starting. But, yeah, I mean, I think all those things create some uncertainty, whereas you don't have that with C.D. Lamb, you don't have that with Chmarchase. Even remotely, C.D. Lamb and Chase have awesome connections with established high-volume passers. We do not have that with J.J. McHarty at all. It's why I have him a little bit lower this year. I have him at 11th.

I have him behind Jamar, Jason, C.D. Lamb, but I also have him behind Nico Collins at Amonrae St. Brown and Brian Thomas. Just because of what you said, like, I almost feel like what Sam Darnold did last year, Sam Darnold, Sam Darnold threw for 35 touchdowns. Sam Darnold? They won 15 games he threw for 35 touchdowns,

and Justin Jefferson was the wide receiver three. That is kind of like best case, absolute pie in the sky. He would win rookie of the year if he would have, like, that is really elite, elite territory for J.J. McCarthy to be in. And so I'm like, I'm not exactly confident that's going to happen. Nobody was with Sam Darnold. I'll give you that. But it does feel like taking him third overall, fourth overall, fifth overall in a draft is, is really betting on J.J. McCarthy to be extremely competent this year. Well, I think it's, well, part of that, but I think it's also just betting that Justin Jefferson is one of a handful of players that you're like, he will make

the Hall of Fame. Like, Justin Jefferson is actually a Hall of Fame player. He's probably going to go down as one of the 10 best receivers ever. He's in the prime of his career. That doesn't always matter. Well, no, but I'm saying, but that's really what I think what you're banking on because, frankly, we've seen rookies who maybe were poor on the field funnel the ball to their best player.

I think that it's a, basically you're like, wait, isn't Justin Jefferson maybe the best single player at his position in the entire league? But I agree with what you're saying where I almost think it. weird. I'm wrong about a thousand things. But last year, I was a big believer in Darnold, actually, for Minnesota. And I also was never going to be like, yeah, he'll win 14 games. That was not on my range of outcomes. But I almost think that Darnold succeeding last year has done a weird thing where people are almost now too confident that J.G. McCarthy will succeed in Minnesota. Anybody could play for this guy now.

Yeah. Anybody could play for a lot. I don't know. There's a middle ground between the Minnesota Vikings are a very quarterback friendly offense and Kevin O'Connell's a great coach. And yeah, Josh Dobbs was able to end of the game and just like they figured it out in the middle of it and Kevin McConnell can do anything

with anyone. And also, I don't know, McCarthy could still suck for six weeks and have a great career. Like, McCarthy could suck this season and have a great career. Like, it's not one or the other. He doesn't just have to step in.

I think it's funny to think how reactionary we are. And so I agree that there is more volatility. Like McCarthy just sucks at week one. But you go, yeah, that was his first start ever. And he's coming off a major knee injury. Yes, exactly. And so there's a lot, you know,

the Vikings did a lot. lot. Kevin Seaford of ESPN wrote a story about how they tried. Kevin O'Connell had all these meetings with him to try to keep McCarthy engaged throughout the season. But overall, I'm with you, Craig, where I'm more excited for, like, I'm probably more excited to have other players, which is crazy because it's Justin Jefferson. But like, I think Pooka Nukku is ceiling's higher. I think Nico Collins, maybe even, but maybe that's crazy to say ceiling with Justin Jefferson. Honestly, every time we move Jefferson down, Vikings fans scream at us. I'm like, yeah, I get it. He's like the best player. But took bit, button this all up. We have Jefferson eighth, and I think

that we should not move him. And again, it's Monday, July 28th. If he's not practicing by like next Wednesday still, then we're like, okay, let's talk about it. But for the most part, I feel like he'll be back. It's also, it's hard to know what's going on with JJ McCarthy. We are really in the peak era of NFL training camp propaganda. Like, we got AI videos at Debo Samuel.

We got Twitter bots, hyping players up. I feel like there are more fake stats and fake reports than ever before about, like, what a quarterback or a player is doing on any given day. When you see a report, I mean, We'll go through all this stuff. Training camp interceptions are not a stat. Training camp completion percentage. Those aren't stats.

There's actual, there's literal accounts on X right now. Verified accounts. This is a problem with like everyone can be verified now. There's all these verified accounts that are posting videos of J.J. McCarthy from last preseason throwing a touchdown. Well, it's because ESPN screwed it up because they played the video of Brandon Cook's catching a touchdown last year. And then ESPN ran it as George Pickens this year. So now everyone's going to try to do that and make fun of ESPN.

Well, and like, if you. You just know how to package a tweet correctly. You like a Vikings Twitter bought account. Be a problem. Can just like say J.J. McCarthy went 10 for 10 and 7 for 7 drills and Justin Jefferson had two touchdowns. Like this league isn't ready. And then it gets 5,000 retweets.

And you believe it. It's mostly object permanence. This is my joke where it's like I hate videos of running backs doing the ladder drill. Because if you've seen anyone good enough to be high. I don't care if you're a practice word guy. If you're athletic enough to be on an NFL roster for any amount of time, it's like really impressive to watch that dude do a ladder drill because you're like damn and like you know what I mean and so the video goes up and people like oh it's like it just oh my god we're watching athletes through athletic things anyway we don't have to talk about all the online the point is uh internet stupid speaking though of things that are hard to figure out um really weird story so the raiders released christian wilkins the defensive tackle who went to clemson and was drafted by miami miami and was i mean considered a very very very good defensive tackle to the point where last year under different leadership

The Raiders signed Christian Wilkins to, was it $90 million guaranteed? I forget the exact number. Well, it was five years, $110 million total. Total. A lot of that was guaranteed. But that was one year ago. 85 million, says Austin. A lot of it has already been paid as well.

Like, they've already paid him $50 million. And so 60 million guaranteed at signing. So over the weekend, the Raiders caught Christian Wilkins. They released him after signing him to this contract a year ago. DK, what? This was Friday night, I think we were texting him about it. is like right after, you know, everybody decided, this is classic, you know, bury the news at the very end of Friday night right into the weekend.

But my first thought when I heard this, I didn't know any of the details, none of this stuff had leaked out yet and it's kind of happened over the weekend. But my first thought was like, oh, yeah, this is Pete going in there, Pete Carroll, going in there, making an example of a high-priced, high-profile veteran and basically sending the message to the team that you're either with us or not with us, basically. You're either in or out. You can't fucking have one foot in, one foot out. You can't kind of be on your own schedule, be on your own thing.

Like Pete Carroll, he did this exact same thing when he showed up with the CX. There's this famous story where Pete came in and he likes to do this still, like where every practice is a little bit different. You want to keep everybody on your toes at all times. And he came in and he told all the people to get up because everybody like, you do this in anything. Everybody kind of sits in the same seat every day at practice. And he told everybody get up and move seats and like sit by someone different.

And this was that Matt Hassabuck was actually sharing this story on, I don't remember what it was some show. And he was basically like one guy didn't move seats. And like the next week, that guy was gone. And he was like a high price starter veteran. Yeah, I feel like Carol's thing is, you know, they're saying like get out of your comfort zone. Carol doesn't want anyone to have a comfort zone. He's like, you should be able to live in the uncertainty at the moment. Right.

He wants to create a competitive cauldron. That's what he says. And it's basically, you know, it's everybody making each other better with competition. Now, obviously, there's other things involved here. The injury is a big deal, obviously. But what's kind of come out with the reporting from Rapsheet in Schefter is that the team essentially either told or asked him to get a second surgery because the first surgery on his Jones fracture was a foot injury had not gone well.

It wasn't healing correctly. He wasn't on track to get back on the field. So they instructed him and or asked him. I don't know exactly. They don't have the power to do that, not. But they asked him, told him to get another surgery. and so he could be ready for training camp and he did not do that. And so I guess like this was been going on back and forth,

kind of a battle of wills, what have you, and he didn't get the surgery, he's not ready to play. Pete Carroll, after the fact said, basically we don't see a path to him playing at this point in 2025. So they went ahead and decided to release him. But I think to me this is more, it's less so that he didn't do the surgery and that he's kind of like behind on schedule and more so just like I said,

this is a guy from the old regime. obviously a really highly paid veteran and they're making an example of him to the other people on the team you're either in or out because this is like just you know classic peak psychological warfare with his players. Yeah it's like sometimes

I mean sometimes you put a head on a spike right and so you know you know and he's Wilkins has filed a grievance through the NFLPA to get some of because the C or because the Raiders are trying to

like get some of his guaranteed They want the guaranteed money. That's why guaranteed money is not guaranteed in the NFL. And so, you know, there's like 60 million guaranteed signing, but they're like certain things like if you think you should get surgery and you don't. My guess with all this, and that's all we're doing is guessing among many things of the story is if the Raiders cut him, they probably think they're going to win the case. So they knew that he would file a medical grievance and they just clearly think they have

the documentation to win. Obviously, we don't know exactly what's going Christian Wilkins's foot, but, you know, the fact that there's even disagreement isn't ideal. But yeah, it's also, but yeah, it's, you know, it's, you know, your point, TK. Like, it's a totally new regime. There's like other things that have come out with this too. I don't even know if we need to go into it because it's like late things that were happening just before we started recording. Uh, there's weird. I don't know what's going on. I don't know why Adam Schaft was talking about it on McAfee. I don't know. The whole thing's a little weird.

So Jocena Anderson reported. Yes. Yeah. Sina Anderson reported the other day that it was one particular incident with a teammate that was very weird or something like. I don't remember exactly the exact word she used, but, um, that was sort of the straw that broke the camel's back. I think for the most part, though, this was probably more primarily related to budding heads with the team, not doing what they were asking him to do to get ready, and them setting an example, less so than this, because there's a Schifter reported that he went to kiss a teammate on the top of the head,

and the teammate didn't like that. There's a million things you can take from that. We're not going to dive into it, but I think it's more related to the injury and them budding heads with him over that. I think by the time the episode goes up, that story might even already be altered, but overall, that's not why you get rid of someone who is making 20, $25 million a year is because something like that the reality is they didn't think he was going to contribute to the football team.

It felt like Shepder was choosing his words very carefully. Yeah, it was true. Don't get me started on that. That was strange. I don't know what's going on. The bottom line, though, no sacred cows. This is one of those things where he was a high profile, high priced, very good player. And, you know, Pete Carroll over the years with Seattle in particular, developed a reputation.

Crack a couple eggs. He developed a reputation of being. pretty ruthless. For a player's coach, he's pretty ruthless with who he's cutting and who he's firing and things like that. How do you feel overall about the Raiders to the D.K.? Because, I mean, if anything, it doesn't make the Raiders defense better to get rid of Christian Wilkins. So now you're looking just overall. You have Gino Smith, the quarterback. You have Brock Bowers at the ball. Jacobi Myers receiver. Ashton Gentia at running back like this is suddenly one of the coolest teams. Our offense is the NFL. The offensive line is probably better than it's been perceived as because of the quarterbacking last couple of years. We have two Raiders in the top 15, which has certainly never happened since we've been doing. doing this show? I don't know.

What are the odds that Gentie and Bowers were actually, like, lower on them than we should be. What have Gentie and Bowers got to be one of the coolest player combinations, like skill player combinations we've seen lately. And I think I'm very excited about the Raiders. I think Jim Smith is a very good quarterback. He's a massive upgrade over anything they had last year, especially. And it's going to be a pretty concentrated offense.

I know people are nervous that it's going to be run heavy and slow, which it will be, probably. That's Pete Carroll's the thing. Your anxieties are correct. Yeah, yeah. But kind of like what we saw with, I'd say the Chargers last year, I think the fears are a little bit out of control in terms of how slow and how run heavy it's going to be. Because you have an efficient quarterback.

You have a far more efficient quarterback than we had last year. He's going to convert on third downs. But just to pepper his guys. The slow thing. Slow is a Pete Carroll thing. But Chip Kelly is fast. This was, God, 15 years ago at this point. But Chip Kelly's whole thing was.

having a fast offense. So what happened with Chip Kelly's coaching for Pete Carroll? He had a very slow offense last year and they won the national title for Ohio State. So I think that's why Pete Carroll was like, yeah, yeah, that's the one. That's the version I want you to run here in the NFL. I don't think Pete Carroll, based on everything we've seen over the years with the last 14 years of the Seahawks, he's not going to want to run a fast-paced offense. He cares too much about protecting his defense and protecting the football, frankly.

So my guess is I feel. very strongly, they're going to be pretty slow on offense, which means they're going to use more of the play clock, they're going to run the ball, they're going to grind out possessions, hopefully like, you know, trying to win all that possession game and everything like that. So, our time of possession game, I should say. And so I still do think that because the ball is going to be concentrated so much with Gentie, Bowers, and Myers, like all three of those guys are going to be good Valets and Fantasy, though, at the bottom line. Is it oversimplified to think that Gentie and Brock Bowers are both going to be great? No, I think that's, I mean, definitely true.

Like, I'm kind of just like, I don't know. There's a huge quarterback upgrade and a play calling upgrade, a coaching upgrade for Brock Bowers. You have Ashton Gentie, who's like the most gifted college running back we've seen in a long time. There's very little other competition. I'm kind of just like, I don't know. Yeah. I feel like this is going to work. At least in fantasy.

I feel like this is what happened with Bowers, where the Kyle Pitts catastrophe that happened was scared us off of what we'd thought and new Bowers would be like Bowers was basically you know he's a starter for the national title Georgia team like their most prolific player like incredible athlete breaking tackles incredibly strong great hands yeah but remember that photo yeah but remember that time he was wearing the weird shirt I forget it was like auto trader or something like that he looked like a software engineer and everybody got scared but he so my bottom line is the point is he was like one of if not the greatest tight end prospect of all time and guess what he was fucking awesome in his rookie year.

Ash and Genty, one of the greatest, not the greatest, but definitely up there in terms of maybe tier two of all time running back prospects. Guess what? He's probably going to be

fucking awesome in the NFL. How is he not tier one? I don't know, because he played for Boise State, probably like literally the only reason. Because the guys he was playing against what if all those clips of Ashen Genty bouncing off guys

are because those guys are not. They're like selling insurance for State Farm this year. Yeah, like those are the differences Brock Bowers did it at Georgia. And every week that he was, was outrunning players and just being unbelievable against defensive NFL calmer players. Yeah, Bowers.

Just say it. I keep looking at Brock Bowers' 15th overall and I'm like, I wonder if you should just take that every time. But yeah, love Bowers and Gentie. Okay. Other news here, I almost said sticky in the Bay Area because Niners and Raiders are linked in my mind, but the Niners have more weird news, Craig. The Niners can never be normal.

There's just such a not, just be normal once. Why can't you be normal? Coming off the most injured season, the Niders have had in a long time. They're very injured again, especially on offense, man. So, Joanne Jennings, who wants a new contract, injured his calf. He has a strain, a repeat of what he had earlier this year in the spring. He is going to be re-evaluated. And calf injuries in San Francisco, I treat those differently.

Is it actually a calf injury, great? I treat those a little differently. Or is it bilateral Achilles tendonitis? Right. So we're going to heavily monitor that. Brandon Ayuk, their other star-wide receiver, who was coming off torn ACL and MCL in week seven last year. Craig, is Brandon are you close to having a concrete timeline to return?

They have no concepts of a plan. Not anywhere close. John Lynch, Lewis said, not quote, not anywhere close. We're not even close. We're not even thinking about a timeline. Not anywhere close to a timeline. I feel like not only do they, are they nervous about Brandon Ayuk's knee?

I feel like they're just also annoyed all the time with Brandon Ayukes. So it's kind of a double way. Miami there. And then silver lining, Ricky Pearsall, was activated off the pup. He was back at practice. He did all the individual drills, but barely played in 11 and 11. He had like eight reps. But he's back. They're rookie, Jacob Cowing, pulled his hamstring as well. He's out. Who is practicing at receiver for the Niners? Like, who's catching? DeMarcus Robinson is on that team. Not equanimia. Yeah, Equanimia St. Brown, Amonros' brother. Like, he's playing with Purdy, which means Isaiah Hodgin. Yeah. Isaiah Hodg. He's actually, I think, kind of overqualified for that job.

But I mean, you're basically saying that Niners, four of their top five pass catchers are just not even like rotating in right now. Like Pairsol had eight reps in his first. Who's their other, who's their rookie wide receiver? They took him like the fourth. Jordan Wachian. Bricke Pairs. Jordan Wachins.

Oh, yeah, Jordan. Yeah, Jordan. He's kind of getting a little bit of hype right now. I think this is. I mean, he's on the field. He's on the field. People are like, who's this guy? He's healthy.

I will say. So I think if we, I want to focus on Jennings and Pierceall, because Iyuk, it looks like, will not, he's probably going to miss the first four games of the season at the minimum. It already feels like a lost season for him to me. And when it comes back, it's like how healthy is he going to be? Yeah.

So, Juan Jennings has his calf injury. Pearsall's back. In our rankings, we have Joanne Jennings as 97th overall. We have Ricky Pearsall 91st overall. So about 15 spots apart. I do feel like, honestly, I'm ready to swap those. I literally was thinking it. I was thinking it.

Like the calf thing, I don't want any. anything to do it? If we had to draft soft tissue injuries, I am the most afraid of, CAF is fucking number one. Sorry to interrupt. You know the rule that we have where if we don't know what the fuck to do with a player, we just rank them back to back to back to back. Guess who's which players I have ranked

back to back in mind? Oh, I would Jennington. But that was when they were healthy. I think, here's the thing about Craig's point. Again, who knows with the calf injury? Two calf injuries in the last three months. That's the problem. The setback is the problem. This time of year,

sounds like bilateral Achilles 10itis. D.K. Don't you put that on him, DK. You don't, I don't like when players have to say that. You would play this week if they had a game. Oh, my God. I hate that. It's the most annoying thing to say.

Yeah, he'd probably play if there was a game this week. Great. My overall take, though, with all this is that I think the two, like, Christian McCaffrey and George Kettle are going to catch an actually unbelievable amount of basses. And we should probably look at, I mean, we've Kettle 38th. I'm kind of all in on Kittle this year. And I, yeah, I kind of just think Kittle, Kittle, which I kind of think

Kittle might be the guy, man, because him and McAfee are going to be the top of the receivers realistically. And I agree with Chris. I think we could have trust Kittle with his life, which I just, I want to take that and draft off of that because who's he going to trust it with these other guys? Also, like, some of these

Niners should be drafted highly. Like, if the Niners are going to be good, if you think Purdy's going to have another good season, they have the easiest schedule and leave. Like, if Purdy's going to throw 35 touchdowns, you got to, start drafting some of these guys. And Ricky Pearson, probably, if he stays healthy,

will creep up draft boards because at the end of last season, Ricky Pearson was shot in the offseason and took a while to get going, understandably. By the end of the season, he was pretty good. The last month of the year, he was really good versus man, a lot of the underlying metrics, all the smart people I trust in the world, the Matt Harmon's of the world, say that Ricky Pearsall is a good player. And so if he's the guy on the field and I yukes out and who the hell knows what's going on with Joanne Jennings, I think Pearsall could be one of the best picks in drafts. And he's got that tattoo of the aces, the humble, because he doesn't really know how poker works with all the cards,

the humble on them and the dice. Do you guys remember that he had one of the fastest three code drills of any player, like in Combine history? 6.64s 4 seconds. This kid's quick as shit. Peresol is good. Sneaky little shit, just like Purdy. I will say this about the Niners.

Craig just alluded to it, but we want to just restress that one of the easiest things you can do is just identify which teams are going to be a lot better this year than last year. And the Niners have all, Aaron shots went on NFL Daily last week we could talk to about it, but the 90s have these overlapping reasons of just basically they were way better

than their schedule suggests. They lost a ton of close games. They had the most injuries of any team in the league. And then now they're, in addition to all that, getting players back, getting like the biggest switch in schedule, going from a hard schedule,

an easy schedule. Like, everything's coming around for them. I will say, though, this many interest is piling up the skills bus. Everything's coming around. I will just say this. I do think Kittl and McCaffrey, and McAfrey Kittal and McAfrey,

Kittal are the guys that want to bet on, but I will say, if the Niners have all this advantages and don't make the playoffs, I think John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan, I think Lynch is going to be out or something. Just because they're going to be pissed at each other. Yeah, but I just, I think it's this. Well, that's true.

Maybe I'm dramatic. I just think the sliding doors that they each talked each other into a terrible decision where I think John Lynch talked Kyle Shanahan into the Tray Lance trade. And then Kyle Shanahan talked John Lynch out of trading Brandon Ayuk. And then so now instead of having a first rounder or whatever the Steelers put on, they have Ayuk barely playing on this giant contract. And I'm just like, if the Niners don't actually make the playoffs or make a Super Bowl this season, I, this whole, it's crazy the margins on which the Niners have.

They did. They signed him in the beginning of 2020. So it's been two seasons. Yeah. So I think it might, yeah, so he's probably close to getting an extension. So anyway, that's the point. We'll see. But yeah, in our next rankings update, I think we should have Pierceall ahead of Jennings.

I'm down to move Jennings down just because fundamentally, having a calf setback the moment you get back I'm out. I'm officially out. Is this, can we make this like a new, let's come up with rules like we're doing with like the tattoos thing. Like if you have a setback in the preseason,

we're out. That was like the Cooper Cup thing. TK. Let me describe it like this. He went back on the field immediately. Juan Jennings has torn his calf for the second time in the last three months. How does that feel? He's ripped his calf to shreds.

There are tears in his tab. Yeah, his muscles are in tatters right now. Speaking of people of being in tatters, the other one I want to mention. So this is a good exercise in like how training camp news works. But you probably got on Thursday, we're recording this Monday, July 28th. On Thursday, you probably got it saw somewhere that Jets quarterback Justin Fields carter to locker room and then 20 minutes goes by. For a toe injury. Yeah, it's a far walk from the locker room to the field.

You know, NFL players endure a ton of, I mean, just the amount of pain, hard to imagine. It is hard to even wrap yourself around like how much physical issues these guys. I feel like I get it. Having said that, I got to tell you, I think carded for a toe injury is a huge jack. Well, you're going that way. I thought. Wow. No, I'm not saying he should.

He should. Like, two things are true. The reason, like, like, it's like, ow, my toe hurts. I know. That's a baseball ass injury. That's wrong of me. stub my toe. I'd be so lying if I said that wasn't my reaction.

Like, I'm picturing Justin Fields torn ACL after the air. And it's like, dislocated toe. And I'm like, oh, my God. You're like, come on, walking off, paled off. My fingers hurt. My fingers hurt. Okay, Justin. His toe was dislocated.

I know. Have you ever done that? But it is a reminder that for training camp, don't get freaked out by the words carted off because carted off during a game obviously means something horrible has happened. Carted off during training camp is. just like, well, it's far to the, it's our camp. I would be carting my quarterback to and from practice every day. Yeah.

Healthy or not. Exactly. Hey, by the way, Austin sent this over to, it's sent to this over. He was carted back in the front seat, which is very different than being on the back of riding around in paint. Passenger. He's a fucking passenger. He drove the cart, basically.

Yeah. It's like scoot over. It's like an Uber. It's like March. Sean Lynch driving the injury cart around. So I think this is one of those where... He wasn't carted off. He drove to the locker.

He was carted. He took the cart to the locker room. Training camp carted off is a normal carded off. I will say, though, it's not... I don't love the dislocated toe for someone who's... Like, any other quarterback could be like, I don't care. I don't love it for fields where the entire premise of we rank him as a top 100 player, like the entire concept is that he's going to run in like, you know, hopefully a thousand yards.

So I don't love that he's a dislocated toe. I read some tweets, hyphitz, and so therefore I feel like I'm pretty much up to date on the medical part of all this. Apparently, the only one you really need to worry about is the big toe. Which toe is it? Which toe is it? Who cares? It doesn't fucking matter, is the point. But is it the big toe?

It was the non big toe, which is the report I hers. So he's fine. It's one of the little pinky toes. Also, DK being like, wait, you know that drill? DK being like, I've read the post, there's a drill tweet when he's like, Oh, you've read a few academic papers on the subject. Well, I've read 1,000 posts. Hold on.

Let me quickly Google which toe is most important for balance. Well, big toe, not even close. But the least... The big toe is the most important for pushing off. That's why if you have like a... Half your toes. Big toe injury. I feel like the fourth out of five toes is the ring finger of toes.

Like, you don't need that thing, do you? I mean, no, you could lose that to Frostbite and be fine. I would love a power ranking of the toes. I think big toe is for... First. Which toe is best? Can we get a scientist on a powering toes? I think it's one, two.

Which toe is best to lose? One two. The pinky toe is considered the least important toe. One, two, five, three, four. Yeah. Like that. Look at your right foot. Yeah.

So big toe being weird. No, five is not important. No, I think the pinky toe is a sneaky important. I'm looking at AI. I use my pinky toe more than the fourth toe. Pinky sneaky important, I think. Okay. This is according to popular science.

The pinky toe, fifth toe is generally considered. the least important toe and the one with the least impact on gait and balance, according to medical professionals. Losing a pinky toe is less likely to cause significant functional limitations compared to losing the big toe or other toes. Hold on. The big toe. The big toe is,

we're not even talking about the big toe here. I just pulled up a Reddit thread from 13 years ago. Hold on. This guy had two toes blown off. How? By a gun? By a mine. Oh.

What I'm seeing. What I'm seeing is. Mine blew his toes off? What I'm seeing is it's big to small. That's the order. But we... Apparently... One, two, three, four, five.

When we walk, we start outside and then come in. So the pinky toe is the first toe touching the ground as you walk. Like the side of your foot is, though. It is important. Okay. Emails at ring of face of football. Craig's just flagrantly going against the science, but that's fine. I need to find an older Reddit thread.

Hold on. Craig's going to find some obscure. There's a podiatrist. who can answer this for us. Yeah. I like, I like Typhids' rankings. One, two,

one, two, five, three, four. I agree with that. I mean, that's definitely right. Maybe one, two, three, five, four. It's not right. One, two, three, five. Yeah, that was, I was between mine. Maybe one, two, three, five.

It's one, two, three, four, five. Anyway, I think Justin feels even fine. Your pinky toe barely fucking exists. It's just, like, it just hangs there. You hate the pinky toe. Yo, when I was at vacation, we were at the beach for a week, and my brother was like, not even like straight.

Hold on. I'll tell the story. I got a text him and tell them. There's a lot of like all the athletes pinky toes, like LeBron's pinky toe is like above his other toe. I don't want to say. I don't want to see like athletes that have been in the game for a really long time. Like I don't want to see your feet.

I don't want to see anyone's feet really. We talk about players, Calvin Johnson's fingers. Lineman like someone sent us Tori Holdinger's fingers are horrific. Yeah. Well, DK, any back news, I'd kind of just go to you. But Matt Stafford has a back issue. My back's doing great lately.

Yeah, Matt Stafford, not the guy that you want to see in conjunction with back soreness or a back injury because he's 37 years old. He gets absolutely annihilated at least once a game. It feels like he's one of the toughest players of all time probably, but back injuries have been kind of like lingering with him since 2018. He broke his back in 20. He played through broken bones in his back in 2018. And then he missed seven games in 2022 with a spinal cord contusion. If you have any doubt over the toughness of football players, he bruised his spinal cord.

So should we be out on a guy that has a back issue with that? Or should we actually be like, well, if he played with a bruised spinal cord, then why would I care what his injuries are? Like, he'll be fine. I think it's more of the latter for me. I'm not too worried about it yet. McVeigh has a history of being pretty honest and up front,

I think about injuries. And McVeigh was downplaying it. Yeah. I'll have to double check that. I'm pretty sure the you know the CoachSpeak Index or whatever Has... Coach Beak Index is a great invention. They have McVeigh as pretty reliable. Oh yeah, he's trustworthy. Yeah.

Shout out to the CoachSpeak Index. If people don't know what it is. Basically, this guy, Greg started basically just watching all the press conferences tracking all their statements and then whether they actually follow up. But in a way, there's a little meter. So you actually get to see who lies about injuries and stuff. And it is awesome. Like Dan Campbell's just honest about everything. And it actually matches the eye test.

It's useful for this scenario, especially, because what McVeigh is doing right now is kind of downplaying. It's like he's basically said it's nothing new. It's not like he had a setback. It's basically just his back. He's having some backstornness, so we're not going to push it. He's 17. This is a 17th season in the NFL. He doesn't need to be out there taking every single rep at training camp.

I will say like the one thing that's maybe just a touch worrisome is he hasn't played with Tamante Adams before. So hopefully getting some reps with him. Those two are the types of players that I, I feel I could figure it out as the season starts. But right now, I'm not too worried about it. It's basically like, you know, they're just kind of taking it easy on it. Because of Stafford missing July time, right? You're right.

However, you know, I think like when you dropped a guy like Jamar Chase, the only downside really is like the offensive line in Burrow being healthy, right? Two of five borough seasons have ended because of injury and he's missed half the season. So like, that's always a concern. Pooka Nakuwa and Matthew Stafford. are both concerns in their own right. So it's kind of like multiplied. So I do think that the risk of the staffer,

you basically need both of them to work out the entire season for one of them to hit. You know what I mean? Yeah. So it's like a little worrisome. That's true. Yeah, I'm torn because at one hand, I think Puka could so easily be the number one receiver this year.

And Devante could also be top eight. Like they could do that together in the same season. And then look at Pooka and I'm like, well, the reason the Rams were able to get him so late as he fell the fifth round of the draft in part, in part, because he had all these injuries in college. And then he said, you know, he's had a couple of things pop up already in his NFL career. And then also has he plays like a last year like a maniac. Yeah, he just won't go down. Which I respect. Doesn't have a sense of self-preservation, kind of like early Josh Allen.

So, uh, but I, we're probably not. Well, another one will circle back up. I think for now we'll leave hook and Devante where they are. I think also I want to move Devonty. I believe in like 40. I think that's too low. Uh, someone we're definitely moving down. Texans running by Joe Mixon is out quote an extended period of time, end quote, with another quote, frustrating foot injury. So all things that you don't want to hear. This is like it's layered here. This one we're moving down. Foot injury.

What was the other thing? Extended period of time. And the other one is he will be reevaluated closer to the season to determine his availability. Revaluated closer to the season for a full. Yeah. A 29-year-old running back. Who had an ankle injury last year missed extended time. Another, and this one I actually think we should seriously think about what to do here

because this is, I don't want to be over dramatic. But like, again, he's a 29-year-olding back with a foot injury being re-evaluated like weeks and weeks now. So we're like, all right, well, we'll see. Not to mention he's missing time at the new left side of the offensive line, new system, all that stuff. The other reason I don't like this, this is another setback because Joe makes him at a walking boot in mid-June. And then he switched to a brace. He's out of the boot. But then starts on the non-football injury list, which means.

I don't know if there's disagreement how he got hurt or not, because sometimes they're wonky with the non-football injury list. But I don't like that he immediately now is hurt again. Whatever, there are a thousand things could be going on, whether something got worse. Maybe they disagreed. I don't know. So he's not responding.

But something is not going to plan. I don't like that. And so we had mixed in about 40th. Yeah, right behind Alvin Camara. I think we got to move mixing down somewhere between at least like a dozen spots behind Chuba Hubbard. And if you wanted to move mixing down 40, spots, I wouldn't even argue with you.

At the end of the day, why would you risk one of your first six picks being a running back that has a foot? You know what I mean? It's like your foot doesn't get better as the season goes on. So I don't know. I think we got to move mixing way down. And then it's not clear who we necessarily should be mixing up, moving up, because Nick Chubb, we have to move up a lot.

I think suddenly Nick Chubb is maybe now someone we should have 120th, 130th at least. And then maybe even higher if Mixing is going to miss time. it's tough that the guy that you're going to try to get excited about because a 29-year-old running back is down with an injury is another 29-year-old running back because he's coming back from like the most excruciating knee injury I've ever seen in my life. Yeah, so it's that Nick Chubb is the other guy there.

Is there any chance that's one of these other guys that you actually want? Well, Daniel Pierce is also on the physically unable to reform list. And then you have, um... Damien Pierce, man. What the hell? And Woody Marks is a rookie at USC. I thought that guy was awesome. His real season. So Woody Marks is a rookie at a USC.

So you have Nick, Nick Chub is the healthy guy. Yeah. So this one I think we'll have to give it another week of training camp and kind of see so it starts out. But I have a hard time envisioning a healthy Nick Chubb not earning carries if Mixins out. But I also know mixing comes back. You know, we'll see what happens. But this, it's weird because I think people are bullish about the Texans.

And yet this backfield might now be a stayway for me or at least I want a cheap lottery ticket. I don't think I want to get involved with Mixon. I don't know what's going on here. But we'll have to see how the shakes out. But we got to move Mixing way down. Yeah, we do. I agree. I think like a good 15, 20 spots. This is not huge for fantasy, but I do just think this is one of the biggest stories in the NFL, and I'm really going to be a caricature of myself, but this is from ESPN.

Travis Hunter is practicing both ways. And ESPN reports, Jags are going to play Travis Hunter on offense and defense and Friday night scrimmage at their stadium. First time we'll do that in training camp. And head coach Liam Cohen said that basically paraphrasing him, they're going to see how he plays offense defense in the same scrimmage, whether they will alter his detailed practice schedule. They have his practices and meetings kind of mapped out for the entire month of August, and they want to see if they need to tweak it. And Liam Cohn said that'll be kind of not a defining moment,

but an evaluation time for us, which, well, he says it's not a defining moment, but honestly, if Travis Hunter balls the fuck out, like I think it's a defining moment. You know what I mean? So I... So this is Friday? All eyes on that scrimmage. Yeah. Yeah. I know you guys think I'm overly obsessed with this, but in a weird way, I think it's been underplayed that the number two pick in the draft might just play offense and defense this year.

But it's just, it's like they're going to try this week. And I, if it works out, I think it's going to be the coolest. I honestly think if it goes perfectly, which again, maybe it's not even a 10 out of 10 outcome, 8 at 10. But I do think there's a chance Travis Hunter wins the offensive rookie, of the offensive and defensive rookie defensive rookie this year. Like, I think that is on the table. and I want to see if that's the case. Flip side is maybe he pulls his hamstring and... He's pretty skinny. I know, I'd be careful about, like,

doing victory laps after one or two weeks, though. After an announcement. I am excited. I'm not a victory lap. I'm excited. But for fantasy, it's weird because, like, Liam Cohen's also saying, yeah, some weeks he might have to play more defense than others.

Like, when the Jags play the Bengals, I have a feeling that Travis Hunter will be needed on defense that week. It's going to be. Yeah, he's going to be such a unique, he is a unique player, but it's such a unique fantasy experience because it's going to be like,

oh, God, what do we get this week? Yeah, right. If they're playing the Bengals, are you maybe not starting him because he's going to play more defense than offense? Predicting how much he will help play is going to be a huge pain in the ass. And that's the weird thing.

So we have Travis Hunter ranked 67th, and I think you could argue that you want him 50th, 50th or whatever. I think you're going to use him as a receiver, and I think he's going to be just as good or better than Ted McMillan. I think you can make this whole very easy case that Travis Sonner is going to be great.

I also think if you don't want to fucking take him at all, that's fine. You're like, I don't want to guess if my offensive player will be a defender this week. Like, yeah, maybe that's a terrible way to spend your time. So I get it.

I like Travis Hunter a lot, but also, he, not to be hyperbolic, but he's literally going to be a totally unique player. There's never, I mean, it's 60 years since we've tried this. I just think he's a cooler real life player than a fantasy player. I mean, it'll be remarkable to watch him

on a week to week basis, but like his risk of getting injured it is literally doubled because he's playing twice the snaps as everybody else. And yet... He's like 190 pounds, too. And yet it's not like his fantasy points have the possibility of doubling as well. Like he's just a receiver like anybody else. He's just playing twice as much.

Yeah. I think that's ultimately the correct analysis. He's way cooler in real life. And if he also is actually fantasy capable, that's awesome. But you might not want to be the guy holding the bag for it. Also, I'm kind of like he better be playing both ways. I mean, fuck, you trade it up from five to two and gave way a first round pick for him. You bet you better be.

I know. I know. They paid for two people. All right. I want to get to some other stuff, but first, let's take a quick break. This episode is brought to you by Yahoo Fantasy. Yahoo Fantasy is the best place to play fantasy football this season, starting August 4th. Yahoo Fantasy is dropping 28 big new features over 28 days, giving you more ways to play, draft, and win. Stay tuned and get started by creating or joining a Yahoo Fantasy Football League today at Yahoo! Yahoo! Fantasy.com slash the ringer.

All right. I want to get through a couple other things that weren't quite as big of a deal, but I do think we're notable starting with... It's one of those 28 Yahoo features, the Kyle Pitts Cam, so that we can know what's going on in Kyle Pitts every day because it's, it's started. The Kyle Pitts, year five. Is it year six? No, it's year five for Kyle Pitts, right? It is your five seasons. Yeah. Yeah, he's contract year for Cal Pitts. The voodoo has begun, once again, we are underway.

There was a Michael Penn. I'm going to run through a few things that we've been seeing. There's a Michael Pennock's quote. and a presser. He said, oh yeah, I got KP the ball a lot today.

There's going to be a lot of that going forward. Everybody's very excited about that. Oh, my lord. Darnel Mooney, the Falcons

wide receiver, out for a couple weeks with a shoulder injury. There's kind of like people realizing every year people realize how young Kyle Pitts is.

And there's usually like, there's like this year thing to say is like he's younger than Michael Pennix, which he is. He's always be true. the year. He's three months younger than Michael Pennix. And also factoring in that, you know, last year, I'm talking myself into Cowl Pitts, by the way. Last year, Kyle Pitts was getting

drafted. I think Hyvinson said this before, but he was getting drafted around like 60th and as the seventh pet in. This year, he's getting drafted or he's being ranked around like 150th and around like the 18th title. Great. I'm just, and it's like, like, and it's like, like, It's just exhaustion. People are tired of it. People are tired. That's when you go get it. And then to add on to it,

the style of play that Michael Penix has is perhaps more conducive to Kyle Pitts's playing style. Vertical threat, a guy who pushes the ball down the field, not something Kirk Cousins did with his noodle arm, and not something the prior quarterbacks really did. So perhaps Michael Pennix is actually the best fit to unlock Kyle Pitts, who was like three years now removed from his knee injury. I just need to see, I'm okay with you doing this again, Craig.

Okay. I'm going to stand the sidelines on this one because I don't want to let myself. Let me tell you that, D.K. I don't want to get hurt again. D.K. Yeah. Kyle Pitts is being drafted significantly behind guys like Dallas Goddard and Jake Ferguson, who are good solid players.

Just got a huge new contract, by the way. Right, right, right. Good solid players who are probably going to get you four catches for 50 yards every week. And you cross your fingers, they get seven touchdowns this year, right? Kyle Pitts. The ceiling is the roof.

Yeah. I saw this, I saw this meme the other day that was like, you know, from Oceans 11, it's like, does he make you laugh? And then Julie Roberts says, he doesn't make me cry.

Doesn't make me cry. Such a good line. I'm like, you know what? Jake Ferguson, does he make me laugh? Nah, but he doesn't make me cry. You know, there's another Ocean's 11 line that I thought of, but also just reminds me of Kyle Pitts.

When Clooney and Pitt are sitting at the bar and they're like, you want to do one more? more? You think we should do one more. We need one more. All right, we'll do one more. Craig, he's going back to the well. Here's the thing. Here's what I was going to say.

You think we should draft him again. All right, we'll draft him again. Craig, here's all I want to see. I want to see proof positive that he's good at football. Well, but why do you need that? Because he's the cheapest. It's been 40 years. But here's the thing is the cheapest he's ever been.

I'm just saying he's not 140th. Like, this is my Anthony Richardson argument. Hi, Fitz, it's not, it's not about, it's not about where you're drafting them. It's about my emotions. It's about how it feels to have, to, to hit that button again after the betrayal, after taking it back. Would you go back to a restaurant that gave you food poisoning if the meal was free? That honestly, that's a great point, Craig.

That's exactly what we're talking about. I don't want, you. Fool me once. Shame on you. Fool me twice? Craig's analogy is perfect. Shame on me. Fool me, not going to fool me again.

yada, yada, whatever. You're not going to be fooling me again. Won't be fooling me again. It's like the people who got food poisoning at the restaurant are never going back there. But if you know someone who did and you got a coupon like, yeah, what are the odds? Like, come on.

And it just goes. I think realistically, the people who are listening who've never had Kyle Pitts, just do it. The people have had them. You've been burned. Like, I get it. You're mad. You're mad.

We've been talking about it. But I'm like, he's ranked so low because he's outside the top 140. Like, these are players that, you are my cut before the season begins. I mean, you're completely right. You're completely right. I will be drafted talbiz.

I just don't want to be part of this anymore. Oh, I'm doing it. Oh, I'm doing it. So anyway, yeah, I'm doing it too. I'm going to take outfits because I just, the only thing worse that would be him being great and then someone else got him and just want to, I just want to see him be good.

Like, I want to see some routes that where he looks like he's like being guys. Okay. Okay. But then he's good. And then next year you have to draft. in the top 50 again. Yeah, and then jokes on you. And then he sucks. This is the year.

Yeah. Hennick hasn't learned to not throw to him yet. This is his year. We could be that mistake. We can be that mistake. Yeah, it's exactly. I'm telling you, Craig, I got to get a glimpse of these warlocks

before I hit that draft button. Did you guys see the video of Pitts walking to practice and he was like all chipper and happy? That like, makes something to me. That is actually good. You know, he was like, he did some like little spin thing in front of the reporters. or he was like joking around.

And I was like, wow. It's like the Bryce Young thing. He's got his mojo back. Also, it's a contract year for Pitts. That's the thing he's going to get paid. Like, if you think players don't think about that, talk about it, get their quarterbacks. Like, Pitt is trying. In hyphids his words, he may not like football, but everyone likes money.

Everyone likes money. And so, you know, other stuff, the Browns, I hate the Browns, but I don't hate them. I just feel bad for them. But Browns, they have a lot of ways. I hate them. The quarterback competition is weird. so Shudor Sanders is not getting first team reps, but then Kenny Pickett pulled his hamstring.

So then he's out for a little bit. And so it's Joe Flacco and Dylan Gabriel, the rookie at Oregon, who was drafted, you know, by the front office and then ownership basically decided to take Shudor Sanders. So I feel like it's going to be Joe Flackover's Dylan Gabriel. We'll see what happens. But the hamstring pull is bad time for Kenny Pickett because the Browns have a joint practice for the Eagles.

I forget what date, but you kind of need your quarterback by then. It's feeling it's going to be Flacco. But then if it's not, I feel like if Flacco loses the job at any point in the middle of the season, I wonder if it's going to be Dylan, We'll see. I mean, Dylan Gabriel's on the shorter side.

It's like 511. So, I mean, I'm curious to see if he can play from the NFL pocket. On the shorter side, he says.

I was trying to be polite. But how tall is he? He's, he's, 511, 511. He's probably hair quotes. What is he?

What's this technical number here? Let me Google, how tall is Dylan Gabriel actually? Yeah. According to the Combine website, which does it, I don't think does the 8th of an inch thing. He is 5-11.

Okay. So, yeah, Browns, it's an ugly offense, but then also the running back thing's bizarre because Quinn Shaw Judkins, who they took very high in the second round, still has not signed his contract after the domestic violence and battery charge in Florida. And so if Judkins doesn't sign, I mean, never mind, we don't know what's going to happen there. We don't know if Judkins will be suspended or what's going to go on there. I mean, if Judkins doesn't sign soon, like, eventually the rookie season just might be a wash because if you start to get two, three weeks in training camp and you're not even there.

then like you're just not going to be part of the year. Like a rookie can't miss not just practices, but also all the meetings and stuff. Like he's just not going to be part of the season. It's really tough. Yeah. So, yeah. So aside from obviously we don't know what else is going on with the case and everything.

So then so the Browns, you have Jerome Ford, who's the starter, but then he's not practicing because he has some undisclosed injury. So the person actually practicing as the Browns Sturing running back is Pierre Strong, who we don't even have ranked. And then Dylan Samson,

who was their other running back that drafted, who I love at a Tennessee. And it's kind of like Kirkland, brand Tony Pollard, he's like rotating in. So I don't know what's going on. We got to move Jerome Ford up and we got to move Judkins down. Like I think Judkins has got, we might have to drop him like 50 spots because I actually think he's gone from maybe starting running back for the Browns to borderline like barely

participating in the end in the beginning of the end of the seasons. I think Judkins has to drop 50 or 60 spots. I think we got to move Jerome forward into like that there's that tier now of like weird starter guys who could just straight up maybe be the starter. Javante Williams and or Miles Sanders depending on what goes on in Dallas is now there with like Jerome Ford is now there with Nick Chubb. Like there's weird pseudo, maybe week one starters on decent offenses, but then there's the Browns where I think the offense could suck, but also Stifansky is moving back away from the Watson offense. I don't know. Overall,

I still think the vibes in Cleveland are horrific and I kind of don't want these players, but we do have to move them around. Yeah, Jerome Ford is about to be the ugliest flex player in fantasy history this year who's just going to like get you 11 points a week and nobody will ever think about them once. Yes. Big go. Don't really want them. Other stuff. I have a couple other things but I will just say Jamir Gibbs turn is number zero

I don't think we discussed this Jimere Gibbs' number did he? Zero yeah what was he was 26 he was 26 I like the number zero I think you have to have

a certain amount of swag to wear it or it doesn't work but Jimere Gibbs says more than enough Gibbs has plenty of SWIFT with some mistake right yeah

I agree I'm into it zero's cool if you can pull it off I want to move him up should we should we rank him zero that'd be good other stuff I have a log report here of just random offensive line news

because DK's quote that who's I always miss it up who's the person with the joke about log trucks Brian Regan there's a joke and I'll just explain the joke rather than try and say the joke great sick I love that there we go I saw two log trucks pass each other on the highway the other day and I thought to myself well if they need logs and if they need logs

simple phone call would have saved a lot of trouble yeah what's the way you're saying all offensive linemen are logs well you said kickers are logs and I kind of trickers are logs they're all fucking replaceable who can't like linemen sign like John Runyon Jr. signs from the backer to the Giants and everything everyone's like oh cool

some guy goes undrafted signs with whatever team and all of a sudden he's the best fucking kicker in the NFL for a year and then the next year he gets a he becomes a head case and he sucks and then some other guy becomes the best kicker in the NFL it is funny though Hype it's like if teams just change offensive linemen,

it's just like positive news. Like if they just get new offensive line minutes. Yeah, anyone but this guy. Yeah, new is just better. No one checks. Yeah, the new offensive line effect is great PR. So this even worth doing the dolphins.

Should we just move on? Move on from law. I feel like we explained it. I'm exhausted, though. Sure. Unless it's about stormed up. Well, yeah, actually, yeah, I was going to mention the line.

Yeah, I actually was. There's my boy. There's my boyfriend. Storm's Duck. Artie Burns tours his ACL. And so Storm Duck. He's going to start for this team. Dolphins are going to have a guy named Duck starting for them at cornerback.

Dad, I met a great guy out last night. He's super nice. He treats me well. He really loves me. He's got a really good job. Makes a lot of money. And I'm excited for you to meet him. Great.

What's his name? What's his name? Well, his last name is Duck. Okay. You don't, you know, you don't choose your last. name. What is his first name? Well, it's Storm. Storm duck.

Storm duck. You can't just say Storm. It has to be Storm Duck. Do his teammates calling Storm? I don't want to make fun of him because it's a cool name. It's great. It is a cool name. It's a brand. You know what's the best? His middle name is Chandler.

No way. Yeah. So his parents were like, Storm Duck is fucking sick. And they're like, yeah, but. hold on here. We need to go with something to kind of even things out

just in case Storm does it. Like what if he's not in the NFL? Chandler. Great. The best thing is great. Well, that's good. But this is also good. His dad's name was Todd Duck.

I don't know if I could think of a better name than Todd Duck. He was named after Storm Logan, a character on the soap opera, The Bold and the Beautiful. Okay. Really? That was not what I would have guessed. Is it still a cool name, Craig?

Storm Logan? It's less cool. Wow. I really hope Storm Duck has a great season. That would be great for us personally. I love SD. And coolest name in the NFL. By far.

Right? Storm Duck. It's up there. Storm Chandler Duck. Storm Chandler Duck. All right. A couple other dumb things that happened. Can I just run through a list of dumb stuff and then we get the emails?

other jump training camp stuff. Was there any hype, any training camp hype that you guys wanted to get out there, just like training camp propaganda? Oh, good. I saw some pretty sick throws from Anthony Richardson.

Not going to lie. Accuracy, baby. Wow. Accuracy. He's showing it. There was one play where he was drifting to his left, threw across his body,

hit Alec Pierce on a play. Couldn't see anything else that's happening. You know how like the social media teams for the teams like zoom in really far because they don't want anybody to be able to see like what the schemes are or anything like that. There's no defenders. It's just like follows

the ball in the air. This guy's going to be a problem. That's a good one. I'm all in. I'm all in. Yeah. I love it. I love training camp season. Most importantly, Daniel Jones has not been impressive. I think it's the funny part. I think Anthony Richardson winning the competition by default

would be the funniest possible thing this could happen. I feel like there's been some good PR with Rogers in the locker room. Will Howard loves him. Said that you can't judge a book by its cover. He wanted to go in with an open mind says he loves Roger. What the fuck is he going to say? He has to spend all day with the backup quarterback all year. He didn't have to go into a soliloquy about how cool he was.

Yeah, he did. Yeah, 100% he does. What's he going to say? Aaron Rogers isn't a guy that needs his ego strokes. Sixth round pick, Will Howard. They're going to ask him, hey, Will, Will, have you enjoyed being around Aaron Rogers? And Will Howard's be like, yep. well he could have been like yeah it's great he's a legend i'm so happy to be learning from him like

it's been wonderful being with him but instead he went into a detailed account of what his relationship has been like with him just if erin rogers couldn't impress will howard that he shouldn't be playing in the NFL did he say what they're talking about oh no he did well erin rogers talked to kyle brant over the weekend i saw that i thought that was also a good response you know what rogers is good at he's good at um like quickly learning the history of about the team he's on. Like, he kind of quickly went back into the history of the Steelers, and it really played well.

He knows what he's doing. Yeah. Yeah, he's on the pat. Yeah, it's, I would say that Rogers, to put it generously, I guess the generous version would be maybe Aaron Rogers has been misunderstood and that we should, you know what, if he just plays well for like two or three games, we're going to be like, oh, yeah, he was one of the best players in the NFL. The Jets suck, and now he's on another competent team.

He'll be fine. Maybe he is actually an enigma. Yeah. And the cynical version of be... It's kind of an enigma. You know, and a lot of toxic men do a great job of coming off, like, everything everyone said about them was wrong immediately. And they kind of, you get love bombed.

And then it's like, oh, wait, this guy has taken over my entire life. He did? And I can't get out of this. Rogers did have a quote. I think it was in the Kyle Brandt interview. I apologize if it's not. Where he was like, people have these preconceived notions of me based on Twitter and my documentary and the things you're seeing online.

And I was like, wait, wait. And my weekly appearance on the Pat McAfee show. I was like, you made the documentary. Like that's your documentary. You skipped him to make. The one you filmed from money. You decided every single thing that was in that documentary. This is your piece of propaganda.

What are you talking about? People are judging me based off my three-part documentary on Netflix. Well, you made it. Is that better or worse than he was like, people are canceling me as he was being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to speak on ESM? the end of week every single week. They're trying to silence me. Yeah.

People try to silence me as I'm being paid to talk. Yeah. The more I think about the Steelers thing, I think I'd rather be out and then be good than be in and then be out. For sure. That's my version. I'm what D.K. is saying with Calpitz, I cannot do the Rogers thing again and be wrong. Like, I'm going to just like, you know what?

If the Steelers are good, that's an interesting thing. That's the right way. Can I ask a real question, football question about your number two receiver? feeling about Roman Wilson? Seeing some Roman Wilson hype out there. The number two receiver on those Steelers. I feel like sometimes in the NFL, it's like if the rookie season doesn't work out,

the player just disappears. Right. He ceases to exist. You know what I mean? And Roman Wilson, I think he literally played five snaps in 2024. Because he got injured before the season started, and he basically was hurt for most of the season,

came back and then got hurt again. But this guy's a third round pick. He was Austin and Michigan with JJ McCarthy. I'm rooting for him. He has a great story, too, the back story with him. High Fitz, you talked to him about this. Yeah, so I talked to Roman Wilson at the Senior Bowl. So it's really cool.

So, yeah, you guys mentioned a third-round pick in a Michigan. Roman Wilson's interesting. We have the Senior Bowl. And the Senior Bowl is in some ways overrated, but in some ways, like a really good showcase. And every year you kind of can, the cream of the crop does rise. And you do see in padded practices.

Like, there is a weirdly good hit rate of people in the stands just looking there, be like, he's an NFL player and it being right. Yeah, yeah. Receivers especially, I think. Yes, yes. Recevers versus defensive backs and linemen. can tell. And so the, it was very clearly who the best defensive back was. It was Quinnian Mitchell, who ended up being the Eagles, and one of the best cornerbacks in the NFL already.

The receiver, clearly best receiver was Roman Wilson. And they went head to head. And it was one of them like, end of practice, like best guy, best guy rep. Like, oh, everyone's around him in a circle. And like, it was awesome. And they had like three reps. I think they split the first two. I think Roman Wilson got a catch the last one. But it was, Roman Wilson was good enough to go against Quinnian Mitchell. And it was awesome. And I talked to him after, and I talked to him after, And Roman, honest, I'm just going to rant now, but Roman Wilson had a really cool story. He commuted by plane to high school. Like he lived with, they put, he was from Hawaii and he went to high school on a different island to have better access to like a better team, better education, everything.

But his dad worked for an airline so he could work for, he could fly for free Monday to Friday, be with a different family. And he would have to, or no, sorry, every morning he would fly, but it would stand by. So he didn't get there at five in the morning. Great. Like, he literally had to get in a plane like every day to fly to a different island. But he, he said something. to me, I never hear per se, which was, I wasn't very good at running routes or catching footballs. And I just had to work to get better.

But he's like, I actually naturally was not very good at it. And he became a good runner. So he's very easy person to root for, very good story. Yeah. I know I'm ranting right now, but I do just want to point out, I think the Steelers in Washington are anti-teams. Where Jaden Daniels is really young. So you think Washington's young, they're the oldest team in the league. I think the Steelers, because Rogers is old.

You think they're old because they have Watt and Hey, The Steelers' offense is actually kind of young. Oh, I mean, yeah. I mean, the receivers outside, I mean, D.K. McHav is their oldest receiver at 27, base pretty much. You have Calvin Austin. You have Roman Wilson. I mean, their whole offensive line is super young.

They have Caleb Williams, their rookie running back. Yeah. So, yeah, Caleb Johnson, the rookie running. And then Broderick Jones, the left tackle, which we'll see if he's, there's Zach Frazier is one of the best centers. Troy Fautana, we'll see he had an injury. But, yeah, so I think the Steelers, if Rogers is good, like, it is younger than you think team. Their offensive line is all, except for Isaac's so much.

Molo, it's guys within the last like two years in the drafts. So they could take a bigger leap than you think. So that is to me the argument for Pittsburgh. It's not necessarily Rogers. There's a lot of players that can all get better really quickly. Okay. All right. I want to talk about something that concerned me.

Did you guys see the Malik, so the video of Malik neighbors from Bleacher Report trying to figure out how long a yard is? I did. Unfortunately, I did. I did not see this. I'm pulling it up now. Craig, why? Oh, it's like with a with like a,

a tape. So they hand Malik neighbors a tape measure and they ask him to close his eyes and roll out how long he thinks a yard is on the tape measure. And I think he gets to five inches. Seven inches. Seven inches. The funny thing is this is like a take on like the social media like meme where they ask a girl to pull out a thing of how long their boyfriend is or what have you. So this is a little sexual. So I think Malik neighbors thinks his penis is a yard long.

Which, hey, More power to you. Yeah, it was literally seven inches. Actually, you know what was worse? Is he closed his eyes and he took a while to get to the seven inches. He's like visualized. Really thinking about it. And then he goes and lays it down on the yard marker.

Like I, it is shocking. It's shocking. Very concerning. An NFL, also, Lake Dabers was unbelievable last year. And to think that an NFL wide receiver, could think a yard is seven inches is genuinely like if you're podcasters and Craig was like how long's an hour?

And I was like, I don't know, 14 minutes? Maybe it's like an object permanent thing. And like when he's on the field, he understands the concept of a yard. And then when he gets off the field, he just loses it all. It's like field of dreams or something. The second he steps up the field.

Do you think that this will break Malik neighbors? Like, could he have 2,300 yards this year? Because they're like, hey, like that's actually what you're supposed to be doing all the time. That's funny. I know so long yard is. Yeah, I couldn't. But then they took it to the field

He's like, oh yeah, wait, that's way wrong. Which like, yeah. I just, I don't get it at all, but yeah. I will say that. I was watching, I watched this video with Jackie, and Jackie pointed out, she was like, the way, she's like, I did always think that football yards were fake. Like a football field being 100 yards, you're like, oh, okay, cool. And then when you walk onto a field, 10 yards like on the television looks like really far sideways.

But then if you're on a field, 10 yards is like nothing. No, it's, yeah, it's totally true. It looks so not, like, you're playing golf and you're 100 yards out. You're not like, yeah, I'm a football field out. Like, Apache Bowman was throwing a football 50 yards. It's like inconceivable. And then if you have a 50-yard chip, you're like, oh, this is really not far at all. Like, it's strange.

People still, like, I still have conversations where it's like, people don't realize that golf is so much further than football. When you say, like, you drove the ball 300 yards and then you go, oh, that's like three football. fields and they go, no, it's not. It's 300 feet. I'm like, oh, wait, I guess I did just drive at three football fields. Yeah, you hit, you hit, yeah, like you hit a gap wedge of football field. That sounds wrong. That sounds incorrect. And like, even when I'm in a football stadium, I'm walking around SoFi Stadium,

I'm not like, oh, yeah, I could hit a pitching wedge, like way into the stands. But you, but it's only, I try to think it's. That makes it that make it that much more impressive that it's so hard to get 10 yards. It's like so hard to get a first down for some teams. Yes. I just let you know how difficult football is you're saying. Right. it should.

But or I can just pull out my gap wedge. Yeah. Or, you know, neighbors just a yard, you know. Some guys, you know, measure differently. Maybe he was confused. I don't know. Football player was confused about what is a yard? It's such a straightforward question.

I don't know, but I kind of refused to accept that that's what he thought. Something must have been going on. My theory after watching it over and over is that what happened was, I think he was like, oh, well, if I take a step, that's a yard. And he looked down at his feet. He did. And he was trying to figure out the gap between the bottom of his heel and the front of his toes, which is probably seven inches.

But like, if you're stepping a yard, you're measuring all the way. That doesn't make any sense. You think that was the question worded confusingly at all? No, they were like, close your eyes and tell us how long you think a yard is. And he did seven inches. And he looked at it. And he was like, yeah. And they were like, seven inches.

I like the best part is how he goes and lays it down on the field and he's like, oh my God. Like he had to go do that to see it. Oh my God. Anyway, yeah, email us if you have any thoughts on yards in football. Okay, other dumb stuff. Tough. Just dumb football stuff and other stuff. I just wanted to note Jared Verst, the Rams defensive end, got invited Aaron Donald's house.

And Aaron Donald does not greet him, says, come on in. And they start doing a cardio workout so hard that Jared verse tried to lie and leave. and Aaron Donald wouldn't let him go. And Jared Verst said, oh, my mom is at my house. And I don't have my keys, so she's locked out. And Aaron Donald's like, oh, cool, I'll have my assistant. Like, go drop her off the keys. Just give me him.

This is like when Pooka Nukul was throwing up, working out with Cooper Cup. Yes, exactly like that. Jared Verr's defensive rookie the year is like, I actually, like, lied. I couldn't. I couldn't. I could imagine working out with Aaron Donald? No. No one more intimidating.

Other important thing, Airbud, which we just talked about. Eribud is returning in 2026. we willed that back into existence. The name has not been revealed, right? We don't know what the name of the sixth movie will be. Do you think we could name it? We have yet to judge how good of a pun it is. Do we know what sport?

Well, no, they should do that. No, but they should just reboot it because they do the beginning. Yeah, like they remake good movies and they should remake bad ones. To the beginning. Yes, just do it like, yeah. Airbud, the puppy. Oh, Craig, the picture, the, uh, like the poster for airbud returns.

It's called Airbud Returns, by the way, maybe. Oh, okay. I don't know for sure if this is real or not, but it says it's him holding a basketball. Oh, standing on a basketball. Great. That's exciting. Yeah.

Nice. Other things. Is it going to be like an aged airbud coming back to torn Achilles or something? That'd be cool. Kind of weathered. It's just going to be a lot of cameos from a professional basketball place. It's going to be all the most famous dogs from all. all over.

Ooh, I like that actually. It's just going to be a bunch of, like, Instagram, dogs with Instagram accounts with like millions of followers in this movie. Yeah. That one with the tongue that's always out,

that little chihuah, he'll be in it. I think he died, actually. Jesus, Craig. That is a weird thing when dogs with Instagram accounts,

like, died. Isn't his name Marney or something? Well, there was the dog with the bones day. That's the ugliest dog of all time or whatever? Yeah. Marney that had bones day.

And it's like, it's a bones day. But yeah, then the dog passes away. And then it's like, oh, God. Yeah, Marnie died March 5th, 2020.

Oh, man. So what did they do? Do they have a different dog? He never saw the pandemic, though, so that's good. Oh, yeah. So that's good. He was 19, though, man. He's born in 01, October 01, so he missed 9-11 and the pandemic.

Damn, he was 19 years old. For a one-era dog. If you're going to pick 19 years right after 9-11, right before the pandemic. is the perfect stretch. Oh, should that be the cold open? God, he only knew peace,

Marnie. He has a good luck, though. Look what happened when he died. The whole world went under. All right, let's take a quick break. Okay, a couple of things.

I don't even know we're going to keep this, but I wanted to shout out. Football is really weird because players retire, not when they want to retire, but because when they realize two years after they should realize that a team's not going to hire them again. No one's going to no one's call it.

So there's still no good way to recognize players' careers unless they're infinitely famous. But I wanted to shout out Jimmy Graham officially retired. Oh. And the other one is Tyron Matthew officially retired. Yeah. Wasn't he expected to keep playing? Yeah, he just decided to call it. And I just want to shout out Tyron Matthew because I think even if you're a little younger than Craig and I, you probably don't know.

but the best defensive player I've ever seen in college football for my eight was in Dama Kungsu like not even close but the coolest defensive player I've ever seen is Tyron Matthew fucking Honey Badger not close yeah he was the cover of Sports

Illustrated like as a defender like the LSU defensive teams probably the second or third best college defense I ever saw and I just it's impossible to describe how crazy it was to have Tyron Matthew who was 5-9-170

just the hardest hitting most feared player in college football. It was absolutely preposterous. Yeah, he was awesome. One of the most famous defensive players for young people in a long time. It's like pretty hard to get famous on defense, especially in college, and he was very famous. And he overlap

with that Honey Badger video, which now is like a quaint era of an earlier internet. But yeah, he was just perfect. A badger video is so good. And also the whole thing like... This is the Honeybadger. It was back when like... By Randall. Narrated by Randall. Has, um, speaking of

older players retiring, has Mercedes Lewis retired yet? No, I think he's the oldest player in the NFL. I don't believe he's on a team. But yeah, I don't think he's retired. He's 41 years old. He played, he hasn't, he didn't play last year. Oh, no, he did for the Bears.

Yeah, he was impressive. Yeah, he's like, yeah, we'll see. Mercedes Lewis is sick. Okay. Email other random retirements, if I missed any. We have some emails here if you guys want. Hold on real quick. Please.

Can we talk about, the name of the Packer's CEO. I actually was wondering, I have that in and we're going so long. I saw this. I saw this. New CEO is named Ed Policy. This is what? Arrested development ass name.

Ed Policy is the CEO of the Packers. So literally, Mr. Policy runs the facts. Mr. Policy. Mr. Policy. I love that so much. Ed Policy is the CEO of the Packers. Ed Policy. He was.

I don't know why that's so funny. Ed Policy. father, Mr. Policy, was the president of the Niners under Bill Walsh. Well, above Bill Walsh, I guess technically. He was, and Mr. Policy's son, Ed was the commissioner of the arena football league, 2012 to 18 in the Packer's CEO. But yeah, Mr. Mr. Manager. Mr. Policy.

Ed policy. Ed policy, running the back. Oh, my God. Well, while we're another dumb story, this is insanely right. Maybe we cut this. Did you say they had the alter the route to the Tour de France to Cole, diseased cows? Oh, God. It's an outbreak of nodular dermatitis.

And so they had to cut 20 miles off the leg of one of the legs of the Tour de France. Why? Because of the cattle out. Cattle disease. Yeah. And I guess the area, they're just too busy culling all their cows. And so they were like, we can't handle a bike race right now. We've too many cows to call.

That reminds me of when I said that, George. was more athletic than secretariat. I had people tagging me in this video of a horse that got onto a bike, like into a bike race and like won the stage. I don't know if it's real or not, but I was like, okay,

that's a pretty good. This horse just ran under the road. Definitely sounds fake, but yeah. Hold on. I'm gonna look at it. Now I'm like, wait, actually,

what are other things like that? Like, you know how all the kids now don't believe Will Chamberlain scored 100 points in the game? What are other videos we watched growing up that our kids? You're like, that's AI, you're wrong.

Like, no, it was like 20 years before. AI and they just won't believe us. Randy Johnson killing the bird. Yeah. That was crazy. Yeah. I don't

know. It looks like it might be real. A horse ran onto a course in France. A motorcycle and a race? It like saw the horse. It saw the bikes going by, jumped over a gate. Were they motorcycles or bicycles? No bicycles. Oh. And then it's just fucking running. It just felt like running. How fast do horses run?

I looked this up when I was talking about Secretariat. I think he ran like 35 miles an hour. Wow. It's not as fast as I thought. 37, actually. It's still pretty fast, but. Yeah, but a person can run like 26. Okay, hold on. That's got to be wrong.

Like, Hussein Bolt can run. Not fast, meat, but like you say Bull can run the 26. NFL players hit 22, 22. 44 miles an hour is according to how fast can a horse run? How fast can you go on a bike? Like, like the fastest bicyclist in the world. How fast is he going? I'm not going to lie, if the same boat can run 25 miles an hour, I thought on a bike you

would be able to beat. Professional cyclists can sprint at speeds of 40 to 50 in flat ground and even faster on descents. You get going about 20 miles an hour on a bike. That feels pretty fast. You said 40 to 50? Yeah, or even faster on descent. That feels really fast on flat ground.

50 miles an hour? Speeds can exceed 60 miles an hour with some records reaching over 100. 100 miles an hour on a bike? I'm not talking about 100. Well, I don't want to get the death wobbles there. Jesus. Okay. Happy Gilmore.

We did the Happy Gilmore Quotes episode, and I asked for people to email us in if there was any quotes we had that we missed, these super obvious ones. The best one, someone sent him with some Chase. And Chase is right. Chase nailed something. Seabone. What's up, Chase? The happy Gilmore scene where shooters complaining to Doug, Doug, about happy ruining the game.

And he was like, that is the Packers and Roger Goodell complaining about the touch push. Oh, so good. It's like the touch push is the. Fat Naked Bikers. I'm starting to come around a little bit myself. Oh, I'm not. Dog.

This man is running golf. And you've even had in the cutaway when shooters trying to do the Happy Gomer Drive himself is like Jordan Love trying to push and falling. Russell Wilson. He's not breaking any rules

until he does. It's a disgrace to the game. He's not breaking any rules. So two big fat bikers having sex off a 17th. How am I supposed to chip? Which, by the way, we are reserving our thoughts on Happy Gilmore, too. I have seen it. The Danes have not.

Once they watch it, we will discuss. Yeah. We're giving people runway to watch the movie. Yeah, watch the movie. Yeah. Okay. So the other one. The other one, people throughout Ian, Ian, Ian.

Ian. Eyebone. We haven't heard that yet. Eyebone. I don't like that one. I'm not into it. That's bad. I think that's what Malik neighbors said was seven and seven.

Ian, what are some. What are nicknames that for Ian? I don't think you need a nickname. Your name is Ian. Ian. What is your name is Ian? Like Ion Eagle. Ion.

What if this guy goes by iron? Yeah, we don't know. That's true. How do we feel about iron? What was that about? I just kind of assumed it was like Irish or something, but I guess I don't actually know. Was Ian Zering, Ian Zering? You remember Ian Zering?

Ian Zering. Yeah, yeah. Ion Zering's name is pronounced Ion. And it was like a, I remember this. being like a thing back in the day. He had to correct everybody who ever talked to him. Actually, it's Ian. It's like a Rob McElhenny just changed.

It's always sunny guy just changed his name to Rob Mac and he was asked why. He's like, honestly, you don't mean people I have to spell my name out to it. And I'm like, I'm just tired of it. Okay, but I have a qualm with that. Like, why do you have to officially change your name? I don't, actors unofficially change their names all the time. I just go by Rob Mac. I actually was wondering the same thing, Craig, where I'm like, I just say, go by Rob

Mac. Why are you spelling? I don't know. He just changed the name to Rob Mac legally. And I'm like, I don't know, it's kind of late. It's almost like he did it for the, like, just so he could like say he did it. But like plenty of, I don't know, Jonah Hill's name is Jonah Feldstein. It doesn't have to, like, he doesn't have to legally change his name.

Is it really? Yeah, Beanie Feldstein, his sister. That's a great change. Yeah, his middle name is Hill. But like, you know, I don't know, Tom Cruz. He didn't legally change it to Tom Cruise. I don't think. Was it Tom Math, what is it?

Mapither. Mapither. That's, yeah, that was a good name. That was a good. We should do it. We should change some NFL players' names. Like, you know, Robert Woods. We should do a draft of famous people who change their name that needed to the most.

Like, people that wouldn't be famous if their name was the original name. Cruz is a good one. And then, like, Brian Thomas. What's Vin Diesel's name again? It's like Mark. Mark Sinclair. Is that right? Yeah.

Mark Singler? I get double track, but I'm pretty sure. Oh, that's great. Like, there's no way that Mark Sinclair is in Fast and Furious. no. There's just not. Vin Diesel. Okay. Last topic, Gilmore thing. Clinton emailed in and just basically said,

how do we talk about hockey player fighting on a golf course the whole time and not mention the actual golf video that was everywhere like a four weeks ago with a hockey player beat the shit out of the guy. Yeah, that was a similar throw too. It was very, like literally that was a real life Happy Gilmore thing. You could convince me that whole thing was Happy Gilmore Spong Khan in Richard's mouth. I was like I actually was questioning whether it was real or not. Is it bad? I don't know what you're talking about.

Yes, you do. The fight on the golf course where the guy's like, you're not a tough guy. And the guy who actually looks a lot like DK's friend Jackson Bevins is just screaming like, oh, like, and then they get in a, you have to have seen this. Canadian man gets destroyed by former NHL player Nick Tarnaski.

Yes. I have not. Don't pick a fight with a hockey player. You watch that. You have to. This was everywhere. I have not seen this. Well, then I, we have the thrill of you getting to watch this for the first time live on the show. Are they?

He just like, he keeps getting back. up. So were these guys in opposite groups? Basically, yeah, the opposite groups. And this guy was with his friend and they were like blackout drunk or on something else on the T-box. And I guess they were taking like 20 minutes. Like they could barely walk. So they're just waiting and asking to play

through and they like won't let them. And so eventually they're like, just get off the course. Like let us through or whatever. And the guy tries to fight him. And the guy he tries to fight was an NHL player. So the guy's holding the other people up was the NHL player. The NFL player was holding the NFL player was like, can we please pass you? like drunk blackout morons.

And he wasn't he kind of, he was like trying not to attack, like he wasn't trying to to fight the guy. No, they were, any show player was not trying to get to fight. The other guy, you know, sometimes like large, obviously most people don't want to fight a really big person, but every now and then people actually try to test big people. Right. And like, this guy saw a big person and was like,

I'll fight you. And the guy was like, you don't want to fight me. He like chucked him. Yeah, it was like, happy go more. It was unbelievable. We just threw him on the gun. This guy is a unit. Nick is huge. You don't know how big he is either. the beginning of the video, which is, I can't believe you haven't seen this.

Oh my God, he's screaming enough. This is literally Bob Barker versus Happy Gilmore. Now you've had enough. Oh, wow. He is launching this man. Yeah. He like throws him, though. You got to give it to this guy.

He keeps getting up. He staggers to his feet. He's got a lot of heart this guy. Holy shit. No, I haven't seen that. Yeah. And then he, like, released an apology video. And I was like, man, I...

Oh, did he? Yeah. I don't know a guy. He's like, sorry, I was super drunk. Yeah. You got to be, you know, the golf course isn't quite like getting into an argument of somebody like on the road, like road rage. But you can...

People get testy on the golf course. Yeah. You get golf clubs. You have a whole bag of weapons. It's true. But yeah. So I don't know how we didn't bring that up during the HACCy Go More episode. That's good.

Last email here is, Craig. Yeah. Have you, are you still enjoying Poppy? Your son, your beloved gut cell. From time to time, sure.

Okay, cool. So people emailed this in. I apologize. I forgot who sent me this. Jeff. No, Jeff. I'm reading from Good Morning America. Is Jay Bone or G Bone?

Jaybone. No, Jay. Some Poppy consumers may be eligible to receive cash over gut healthy soda settlement. Oh, I saw this. And yeah, Poppy has settled Like is you got a mailer to your house? Yeah, claiming that...

This is month's old. Well, yeah, but it settled. Right. Like, did you get your take? Because they were claiming that it was like, quote unquote, healthy and it's like, you can't say that. They were claiming? The whole point is that the drink is healthier than a can of regular.

Yeah, yeah, you know, that is what they settle over. This is like vitamin C or whatever the... Whatever, it's like that thing, the little thing you drop into your water or whatever, and it's like gives you electrolytes. and that was like claiming to like make you not get sick. Oh, like liquid IV or something? Yeah. Yeah.

Look, I will say, when Poppy sold to Pepsi for like $2 billion, I was upset. Because I, you know, I would not be surprised if like a year from now all of their drinks taste even better magically. And there's a few more ingredients mixed in. And, you know, that's the way they go. So I still think they're very tasty and a lovely treat every once in a while. just yeah just can't mention quote for a healthy gut you're not allowed to mention that your gut biome yeah yeah for like again i was not drinking them because i thought they were healthy like i don't think they were liquid broccoli let's check the tape on that much healthier than a soda check the tape

this is exactly what i said they were much healthier than a soda and they tasted exactly the same or very close to it it might be i thought you said something about your gut biome but it's well they have like prebiotics right right right that That's what it was. Yeah. But you know what? People have all their information. I feel like you guys have some weird high horse you're on about me trying to like eat healthy and I don't really get it.

Like if it's like... Come down to our level, Craig. Eat like shit. What are you trying to say? Like I should just drink diet Coke. You too good for us? Like, I don't know why you're set. I just want you to get paid for this class action.

I just want you to be, I just want you to get money. I don't know what the issue is here. I thought everyone love money. Why am I being attacked for my beliefs? Like, I don't, D.K. Just texted us over the weekend. Like, I had three beers and I'm feeling great. I'm like, hey, DK, beers aren't good for you.

I hope you know that. No, I texted. That's not what I said. I said, I texted you and I've had three beers and I can't feel it. So you were right. I was saying you were right about the whole four beers thing. I made you feel bad about being an alcoholic. I met a guy at a bar on Saturday who said that you two were lightweights

and that my four beer kind of level made sense. Yeah. That's what I was trying to confirm, right? Just like to make fun of your Californianess. That's all. Yeah, me too. It has nothing to do with you.

I live in paradise. What can I say? Nothing bad has happened in L.A. this year. Name one thing. Rank the toes. Yeah. Rank things.

All right. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Kallels. Thank you, Kail. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, everyone for listening. Thank you. Email us at your fantasy football atcom. If you have any interest,

ranking toes or, you know, actual questions about fantasy football. are actual questions about the NFL because it's actually trading kit now, so we'll take those two. But also, if you're any kind of foot doctor, I guess we don't want people who are just in defeat, but you can, you know, sure, keep your toe rankings separate. But I do want medical rankings of toes from doctors. Speaking of podiatrist, I want to explain the joke because it's literally a 10-minute joke, but the Norm McDonald's podiatrist, flea, moth joke is one of the best jokes all the time.

Look it out. Look it out. Look at that and watch it. One of the best jokes. It's like four and a half minutes. It's like the entire late night. segment. Oh my God.

I actually just watched that the other day. It's so good. It's with Conan, right? Oh, speaking of Conan. Conan's just like losing his shit. I said, Doc. So I said, Doc. I wake up in the agony.

I look into my son's eyes and I see the same cowardice that resides in my own heart. My son, Gregoro. Grigoroovich. Yeah. Oh, man. Thank you, Lord. Lord. Thank you, Salt and Peppa.

Why? How come? You've been listening to them? No, not really. Just came to mind. Cool, it's fun. Any thoughts? None. Like, what a man? Wait, is that salt and pepper? Yeah, what a man, what a man, what a man. The other song, Shoup reminds me of Deadpool.

Oh, is that in the movie? I think it's like in the trailer for the first or the second one, or it's in a movie. Makes me want to shoot. Salt Peppa, they were huge when I was like in high school, I think. You guys don't have the same, same memories of that, I don't think. I'm sorry. What was their heyday? I'm trying to find out now.

They feel very 90s to me. Also, great name. Salt and Pepper. That's a good name. 93 to 96. Very necessary. A huge album for them. 97 through 2004, brand new and hiatus.

Yeah, so they were like 90s. This has, this is like for me, the, um, how you feel reading the news now. It's like K Smog and Blat boy flipped a grunt. Yeah. Like reading this with competing, it's like Salt and Peppa had completed their breakaway from Azoor and then were distributed by polygram records. And I'm like, I don't know what any of those things are. Yeah. All I know is they were huge.

D.K. was playing him in his dorm room in the 90s. I wasn't in college in the 90s. Craig. When did you graduate college? I graduated college in 2005. Okay. So very close. Wow. Kind of. So you went to college in 01. Yeah.

I graduated high school right before 9-11. Interesting. So you can remember. Yeah. Interesting. Great. I'll note that. It's not interesting Goodbye everyone