The Ringer NFL Show - Training Camp Updates, New Sleepers, Anti-Lytics, and ‘Hard Knocks’ Ep2

Episode Date: August 24, 2020

We break down our favorite moments from Episode 2 of ‘Hard Knocks’, provide fantasy player updates from around the league now that training camp is officially underway, highlight some new sleepers who are gaining steam, and introduce a new segment about all of the football-adjacent news around the league called “Anti-Lytics”. Hard Knocks (1:19) Training Camp News (12:05) New Sleepers (43:27) Anti-Lytics (49:47) Check out The Ringer Fantasy Football Guide for our updated top 150, positional tiers, expert mock drafts, and more. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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He's Danny Kelly. He's Craig Horlebeck. Did you guys watch Hardnocks this week? I did. Yes. Can we talk about Jalen Ramsey's house hunting? I like how you ask us if we watched Hard Knock

as if this wasn't a pre-planned segment. Oh, it's not? Sorry. Oh, well, don't spoil for everyone listening. Yeah. This was shocking. Behind the curtain there. Yeah, ooh.

A little showbiz, Dan. Imagine if Bill Simmons had Joe House and he's like, Joe, you watch basketball last night? He was like, as a matter of fact, Bill, I did. I just wanted to establish that we all look. You know what? Fine, let's just get into it. Jalen Ramsey went house shopping. And I cannot get over this. I can't get this out of my head.

Why? He went to this house. I don't know where this was in L.A. Somewhere in Topanga Canyon. And the whole house, I've never seen anything like this, was designed to sell it to Jailen Ramsey. like they had photos of his families on the wall. They made a mural out of his favorite slogans. I don't know if I'm calling his Instagram.

They had like everything around the house was as if he had already lived there. They knew he kept a $2 bill in his wallet. And all I could feel like is I felt like a peasant. I've never been to an open house where they're like, Danny Hifitz, buy this. Here's everything you love. Like can you imagine living here? Is that what high and real estate is like? How much do you think that was worth like 25 million or something?

I don't know. I have no idea. So here's the thing. Is this what it's like when you're buying a $5 million house? They're just like, no, selling it to you. I don't know if it was in Topanga Canyon because the Rams are down in Englewood. So that would be a bit of a drive for him. I wonder if it was down there because, I mean, it was in the middle of nowhere.

It was literally, that house to me is the most bizarre purchase. There's literally nothing around. There's like 31 acres. I'm like, you know what you have to do to 31 acres of L.A.? Like there's no water around you? Like, where he must be 30 minutes from a McDonald's minimum. I've been watching a lot of selling sunset on Netflix. and, you know, they get a lot of decorators.

They come in and they make the house look all good, a little art. It's not that much money and it really ups the value of the house. So it makes sense that they're going after Jalen Ramsey like that. All I could think about was this real estate broker spends her time stalking the personas of people trying to buy houses in LA and setting up the entire house. And I was like, I kind of wanted the rest of the episode to be about her. We should get her on this podcast. Do it because she could contribute to our segment that's coming up later.

HGTV, house owners? Anyway, anything else about Hard Knocks you guys wanted to talk about? I was just was blown away by that. Yeah. So first of all, the running backs coach, the guy who was working with, there was like that young running back who was like a bit overweight. Remember they were talking about him? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The guy. So the new, the new a minute on the lips, a lifetime on the hips is what the running backs coach said, which is what you do in the dark shines in the light. I thought that was amazing. I'd never heard that. He's like eating cheesecake at two in the morning with the fridge light. Yeah, he's like, all right, cool. You just did your reps for the day, but like, don't go eat Taco Bell. And he's like, all right, all right. This is this is. Darius Bradwell from Tulane, who I had not really heard of. He's a big view. Also, wait, can we talk about how McVeigh is, I mean, is he just like purposefully playing into the Gruden thing now?

He was singing the Monday Night Football music after he was just offered the Monday Night Football job. Hey, did you feel it? There we go. There it is, baby, love it. Good. Football is fun. Here we go. Hit that horn.

Let's go. Blood flow going. Here we go, babe, here we go. Let's be sharp, let's be sharp. I loved when, what was the, what happened with Jared Gough and him? Jared Gough was like, I don't know what the play is. Oh, yeah, because I was actually going to bring that up as an actual interesting football thing that happened. He'd like said it twice because it was like not registering in his head.

Yeah, because imagine having McVeigh just in your ear all the time and the way he talks, the way that, like his cadence. And I think what happened, you know, I only watched it once, so I didn't really. like, I didn't like break it down frame by frame. I think what happened was McVeigh was mad because it was taking him too long in the huddle. And Goff was like, I didn't hear it the first time. Hey, what took so long on that one? Just waiting to see it. Huh?

It's going through the canes. No, I'm just saying to break the huddle. Because we just took a delay. Yep, I got you. We'll go faster. Did you not get it? No, I just had to hear it twice. Oh, I love that.

Hey, that's my favorite thing he's just said right there. It's good. I can't, hey, we can work with that. Gop's like, I didn't hear the play and he says, good job of regathering your poise, good shit. That's a good job of regathering your poise. Nice shit, man. Love that. Good job. The most football, like, he's just, dude,

I actually really enjoy watching McVeigh because he, you can tell it's absolutely genuine. Like, he's fucking loves football so much. That's all he thinks about. And so it's actually kind of fun watching it. So that interplay between him and Jared Goff and kind of like how they communicate and how their relationship is so important to the entire offense. I thought that was actually pretty fascinating from a football point of view. Like if you really think about it, the coach or play caller and quarterback is like the most important relationship on a football team. And that relationship and their ability to communicate and get along and work together is like it has.

such a huge, huge impact on the entire offense and how it runs and how practice runs and all that stuff. So I just thought that was really interesting. And it kind of gives you some insight into how difficult I think it would be to run practice and run like in a real game with like a rookie who's still trying to learn the language of the playbook and just how freaking hard that would be, like especially in a year like this. So yeah, that was my big actual football thought from watching Hard Knocks is that the teams without really, established quarterbacks and really established quarterback coordinator or head coach relationships

are really at a huge disadvantage this year. I mean, we already knew that, but like, that really drove at home. How about a pun of the episode goes to golf course? Okay. What did you think? I did not see that. He was so confident.

He built this chipping green in his backyard. I thought it was cool. And one, pretended that it was a basketball court because he was like, well, you know, that's an injury risk. But then later it was like, well, also, I didn't really think I was going to use it. lied about why I didn't put a basketball court in.

And then two, he was clearly out there for hours with the hard knocks crew because he says to the camera, I guarantee you I'm going to get one. But they don't show him getting a hole in one in. So I bet he hit like 300 chips trying the whole one. I think there were a couple beers on the counter that he was drinking while he was hitting. Also lefty. Lefty golfer. That was interesting.

I like the ambidextrous people. I feel like it means you're just extra dexterous. You got a little bit more going on. problem is like Ben Simmons. He's thrown with the wrong hand. Like, you know, Phil Mickelson's right hand if it swings lefty. I like stuff like that. LeBron James, I believe, is left-handed. Shute her right-hand. Rafael Nadal.

That stuff's cool. Tua is right-handed and he throws lefty. Really? Yeah. Yeah, I think that stuff's interesting. It's like extra training for your brain on both limbs. It's also kind of being forced from childhood by your parents sometimes. Oh, I doubt all. You think LeBron was forced to shoot righty? I doubt it.

That was Tua. Tua's dad actually did. make him throw a lefty when he was a kid. Yeah, that's a whole thing. That's not a good nor there. I want to bring up my favorite moment from the entire Hard Knocks series. Literally any Hard Knocks episode ever was Mike Williams, receiver for the Chargers, goes out to practice and realizes he has forgotten his,

whatever you call it. His tracking device that tells you when you're too close to two people that you're not supposed to be close to. And he's like, oh, crap, I forgot my tracking device. And someone goes, that's 50K. He goes, 50K. Oh, hell now. And he just like sprints back in.

I think there was nothing more, I don't know what, like, relatable than that. And I love it because like, you know, some, you know, celebrities, football players, athletes, whatever, like throw money around. And, you know, like, whoever, like, the really, like, really rich ones. You're younger, you're on your rookie deal. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, fuck that.

$10 because you were within three feet of Austin Echler. Yeah. I just want to shut up my favorite moment, which is Melvin Ingram, the defensive end for the Chargers. I was talking about how much he loves Bronzino with the fish. And then said some people eat the eyes. And he was like, I'm not eating no fucking eyes. I agree with it. I was good.

I like you, Melvin Engram. That's like, I can't eat eyes either. That was pretty funny. Did you guys, what did you think of the rookie linebacker who was just so genuine in all his interactions with all his teammates? He was like the most earnest. screams he's going to get cut. I know. They do it right here.

From every... Do you guys remember the dude on the Browns, the tight end who loved crystals and we like followed him around everywhere? Yeah, I remember thinking I was shocked that he's not like a Los Angeles person. Devin Cajus. Is that who was?

Yeah, Cajus. Yeah, Devin Cajused. All right. Let's get into some training camp news. Hold on. Well, this bleeds into training camp. One, there was a Bobby Trees jet sweep secretly in the episode.

Watching for the X's and O's. Nice. Yeah, yeah. Also, a little jet sweep got a little excited about that. Two hard knocks episodes, Robert Woods has not even been mentioned one time. Same with Cooper Cups, same with Cam Acres. What's going on? Are they saving it?

Daryl Henderson, Josh Reynolds, like, no one. Also, Sean McVeigh still refuses to wear a mask. He pulls it down when he's speaking. Which is the opposite of what you're... He pulls it down to address his team. He just won't wear one. It's for when things are coming out of your mouth, dude. Why did he get rid of the paint, the welding mask?

Did somebody say like, yo, that actually doesn't work? It looks like a chainsaw massacre. I don't know. Can we talk about Aaron Donald and how freaking ripped he is? I like that's a segment on every app where he's just like, we're going to look at him shirtless for a minute. When I covered Rams training camp the last couple of years, my favorite part of being at Rams camp was when Aaron Donald would do the individual drills one-on-one with the Rams offensive linemen, everyone around stopped what they were doing and watched. Like even the referees. Because referees go to training camp too, like referees need reps.

So the referees who were supposed to be doing other drills just stopped and turned around and they would all watch the Aeron Donald drills because he was so good. He's unbelievable to look at. He doesn't look like a defensive tackle. He's like, if you just saw him, I'd be like,

I wouldn't think he's like, I would think he was a WWE wrestler or something like that. You know what I mean? Like he's just so built. He's built differently. His abs. His abs are like unbelievable. I can't even,

it's not even like a six-pack. Like they come out for like little, it's like a beer. can is an ad. I don't get it. It's an actual six-pack. Yeah. Okay, now let's get in some training camp news. Yeah, stuff's going.

Players getting some, yeah, there's actual football going on we can talk about now. There are players getting hype just starting with your boy, D.K. Clyde Edwards-Alear and the chiefs, obviously Damien Williams, the other chiefs running back, opted out of the season. Clyde Edwards-Alear has been getting a lot of the first reps, and Andy Reid said he will get, quote, a lot of work with the first team. Where would you guys take Clyde Edwards-Alair in drafts this season? I'm taking him in the end of the first early second. I'm not really willing to go like mid-first yet. I'm not quite there with him.

Who are the running backs you have ahead of him? So, and I still have Sanders. I still have Sanders in front of him. Kenyon Drake. But that might, like honestly, that might change in the next like couple of weeks. I think he's right there. I think he's at like 7-8 in the first round.

I think the question is, the question that comes to my mind when I think of Clyde-R-Rus-Hillers, are you taking Miles Sanders or Edwards-Layor if they're both there on the board? I think I'd probably take Clyde. I would take Clyde Edwards or Laird because I have been convinced that Boston Scott

is a better value than Miles Sanders not because Miles Sanders is not talented but the Eagles have never committed to a three-down running back and Boston Scott is not going undrafted but you can get them at like 140th. This is a person that I think is

basically really going to be getting the past catching end of a committee. The other people in those kinds of situations are going like, I don't know, somewhere in the top hundred. I'd rather have Boston Scott, who, again, is like Darren Sproll's size was compared to Darren Sproles pregame and now has replaced Darren Sproles and two teams. The Saints got him to literally replace Darren Sprouls. The Eagles got him replaced Darren Sprouls. He's like a better, he's like Darren Sproul's, but he's a better rusher.

And I think that he's going to get a lot more work. And Miles Sanders to me is kind of like the which of these running backs in the top 10 are not like the others. All of them are kind of three down back players. We don't know that Miles Sanders is going to be a three down back. And it wouldn't be shocking if the Eagles kept doing what they've been doing for the last few years. So to me, he's the one of least confident in getting the workload. Also, he seemed to already tweak something this week.

He's weak to week right now. So he's all those questions and he's hurt. That was going to be what I was going to interject there, Danny, is there's a mysterious lower body injury happening with Miles Sanders right now. And week to week to week sounds. So different than day to day. I don't remember the last time I heard a week to week at a player like that training camp. Because usually if they say day to day, they can get away with it. And all right, it takes as long as it takes.

Week to week means, wow, it's going to be a while. So also, again, reps are so important. I think that Sanders is going to be, honestly, there's like so many different reports out right now that the Eagles have told Sanders it's his backfield. And so that to me is very, very interesting and makes me confident in him. The injury thing is scary. Plus, Danny, I want to echo what you were saying. I went back and I did an article this week on Carson Wentz for the ringer.com, and, man, Boston Scott freaking popped.

Like, he is really good. He's legitimately a really good player. So they would be doing themselves a disservice to not use him. I mean, I think, obviously, I do think Miles Sanders is highly talented also. But, man, they got to try and figure out, it's like the Cowboys. They got to try and figure out a way to get Pollard involved. Same way that the Eagles have to get Boston Scott more. involved. He's just good. He's a play. And also it's important, remember, we have the idea of, like,

this is just plug and play, kind of like your fantasy team. Oh, Miles Sanders is healthy again. You plug him back at running back. The reality is if Miles Sanders is, whatever the injury is, hurt enough to be weak to week instead of day to day. That's weird. He's going to have to scale. He's going to be out at least a week. He'll be coming late August. It seems at the earliest. He's going to scale up from no practice for what will be a week to every down. That's not going to happen, at least not early. So, yeah, I could see that. Or at least extremely unlikely.

Boston Scott will have a big role early. So to answer your question, I would take Clyde Edwards-Alaire over Miles Sanders early. Sanders is dropping for me, Boston Scott's rising. My unwritten rule of like fantasy preseason is like, I don't, I'm just done drafting anybody who's got like hamstring or groin injuries in the preseason. Yeah. I'm done. I don't want it.

Tyree Kill just hurt his hamstring. That legitimately affects me. I'm like, you know what? That's a good point because they, Mike Garifolowlo of NFL Network reported that. said minor, nothing to worry about. I don't care. He says there's nothing to worry about. Well, that's the thing is in this year, I think

might get these numbers wrong off the top of my head, but I think that the NFL players union compared this ramp up period to 2011 when there was a lockout and they said that injuries went up, I believe it was about 40%. Things like hamstring and those kind of injuries were up more than 25% at that 2011 season. So that's why the practice schedules changed

because players wanted to avoid that. But still, you had guys missing a lot of time and this was kind of expected. so when there's less practice time and those kind of injuries are still happening and as a speed person like Tyree Kill, would you still draft Tyree Kill in the first round or early second if he's got hamstring stuff in now mid-August? If in like a week he's still like working his way back from a hamstring injury, I would drop him like a spot. I think I would take Julio Jones ahead of him. I know that sounds nuts, but like I just, there's nothing worse than reading should be good to go by week one.

I'm just like, nah. Yeah, that's because then it'll linger and then. It'll retweak it week four. I know Sammy Watkins hurt his groin so McColl Hardman jumping up for me.

Miko Hardman goes way up because he'll even if he ends up being all right. Watkins is not practicing right now. So, Miko Harbin is also a sleeper that is very popular

but there was a whole question of will he takeover Watkins's role. Well, now Watkins isn't 100% healthy either so that's really interesting. He's never. Hammy Watkins. He's hurt.

K.J. Hamler, he hurt his hamstring. Did he? Man, all these speed guys. I hate that. I know. Yeah. Well, speaking of replacements,

Washington's backfield is just a huge question mark. Darius Geis obviously was released a couple weeks ago. So there is a report from J.P. Finley that Bryce Love, the former Stanford running back, is second in line for carries in Washington after Agent Peterson. Bryce Love, I mean, this was a Heisman candidate a few years ago. He tore his ACL on its last play of his last game for Stanford's last game at the season. Brutle.

That's tough. Went fourth round in 2019. didn't really play last year. So now they've got this backfield of Washington's Agent Peterson. Bryce Love might be second. Antonio Gibson, who has no reps in his career, basically. J.D. McKissick, Peyton Barber. Who do you want in this backfield?

I personally don't want any of these people. That's what I would say. I'd say we move on. I'm the opposite. I'm the opposite because, and the reason I say that is because you can get all these guys so late, it doesn't matter. Like, take a stab at one of them. I think if I'm...

Wouldn't you rather have Boston, Scott, than every single guy in this team. Well, I don't know because I don't, like, you don't know for sure. Like, honestly, Antonio Gibson could be the starter. We don't really know. You can get him in the 12th round. No, we don't know. We absolutely do not know.

We absolutely do not know. Well, no, but starter is a not an applicable term to a team like this, because this is a team that seems very like a good bet to rotate out. And we don't really want starters. We want people who get the bulk of the carries. Antonio Gibson. So you're not willing to spend a 12th round pick on Antonio Gibson? No, I'd rather have Tony Pollard or Alex.

Alexander Madison or like a running back that I know has a like a realistic chance to like take over backfield of one thing happens. Gibson's last year of college, he touched the football 77 times. Yes, I know that. Fantasy football volumes king. The running backs coach literally called him two weeks ago Clay as in moldable like he's as raw as it gets. So the thought of Antonio Gibson going from 77 touches his entire season to what? What is the minimum for it to be a start? The point is, The point is it doesn't cost you anything to take a flyer on this guy. And he could be awesome. I don't know, man.

We're going to talk about other guys coming up, like Harris Campbell. And it's like, I think I'm rather. There's so many good players that even if we rank the players you like, I don't think Gibson actually stacks up. But let's keep going here. Back to the Bryce Love thing, though. It is kind of interesting because he was a really highly thought of prospect before he tore his ACL. And, you know, now he's apparently healthy.

So if he's running with the twos, we don't even know for sure if Adrian Peterson's going to make the team. They could choose to just go really young. So anyways, that's my point. I like both of these guys. And if you're going to take a stab on a late round pick, you know, these guys have really,

that's a ceiling play. They have high ceilings. So that's my point. I think, you know, you're taking a flyer on literally anybody in the 12th round. I disagree in the ceiling thing because I think that none of those guys

are going to play enough to get fantasy love. But let's keep moving. Craig, are you sitting down? Yeah. Are you prepared? Are you strapped in? Mm-hmm. I'm strapped in.

Adam Gaye said about Jets tied in Chris Herndon this week. He said he's their starter. And then he said, quote, Chris gives us a lot of flexibility. It's rare to have a guy with the ability to be as effective

as a pass catcher and a guy that's explosive when he gets the ball on his hands and still being on the line tight end that can block in the run game and also pass protect. End quote. And all the beat writers said he's going to crush it. So I think the secret's out

and Chris Earnden, where would you take him? Like, where do you think he finishes? Just go all out right now. Third. No. Third. Third overall. I don't know, man.

I mean, when he was a rookie in the last 10 games when he finally started, he was like seventh. So seventh? Can I pick seventh? Sure. Dude, anything past like tight end sixes. Why not? Sure, yeah.

Tighten seven, you could be literally any tight end in the NFL. I'm glad this is happening. He is my Devante Parker of 20. 20. It's going to happen. I hate that it's with some, a guy who played for Adam Gase again, but, um, yeah, it's always Adam Gase. It's always Adam Gase. You know, okay. Everyone always like, that's pretty good. Everyone's like, you know, oh, rookie tight ends. It's so hard. Like, you can't, like, oh, Hawkinson and Fant, like, they had bad rookie seasons, but like, you can't trust it. Freakened in a good one. And like, no one talks about him. He's like had a good rookie season as a tight end,

actually. I think he's going to be awesome. And Bershad Paramount, I mean, Denzel Mims, their rookie receiver, I think is hurt. Yeah, he's got a, I think it's a hamstring. Yeah. If Herndon gets through this off-season healthy, I think he's easily a top 10th item. Knock on wood.

The other Jets receiver, which, oh, my God, I can't believe. We're already spending so much time on the Jets. We can talk about 32 teams that we've mentioned Washington and the Jets. What are we doing? But anyway, Jameson Crowder, I love him this year.

I already liked him as a sleeper, but the Jets receivers coach, Sean Jefferson said this week that Crowder could make the jump to 90 plus catches. I was actually looking at this anyway because I was trying to figure this out. Do you know that only three Jets ever? Like individual seasons have ever broken 90 catches in one season? I wonder if I can guess them. Yeah, can you name them? The first two that come to mine are Decker and Brandon Marshall. Brandon Marshall, yes. Eric Decker, no.

Lavernees Coles? Yes. I'm not going to make you against the other one. You won't get it. It's Altoon in 80s. But the Jets' entire history, there's only three times one of their players has broken 90 catches. That kind of blew my mind. That's actually crazy. So basically, the Chats receivers coach, it sounds like, oh, well, but catch 90-gates. He's saying he'll have the third most catches in Jets history this season.

Yeah, but honestly, whatever. I mean, 90. Crowder's like a whole, like his potential is low. Like, he gets 90 dollars. He had 17 targets in week one last year. 17. Craig, he's he's Coal Beasley

He's yeah Souped up Cole Beasley If we want to if we want to practice the strategy of like you You draft guys late with upside in like risk Reward like the Crowder has no potential It'll be like a top 15 wide receiver No I think with PPR leagues Even in half PPR I would dock him a little bit

But if you're in a full PPR league Crowder I think is huge because he just legitimately could be He's just not going to win you your league He'll be like he'll maybe be like a really good wide receiver three and you thought he would only be like a wide receiver four. He's the James White of receivers. Yeah. He can fall outside the top 100 in your league and he could have 90 catch.

You know what the third best receiving season in Jets history? Look, all right, you know what I'll have him alone. All right, let's keep moving here. Paris Campbell on the Colts. Getting a lot of buzz, Paris. Big buzz. Top pick for the Colts last year out of Ohio State. Very fast guy and they're using all the fast guy adjectives about him.

Phil Rivers said explosive, strong hands, sky is the limit. I just reflexively just hate those kind of I know, I need more. But, DK, you're the Paris Campbell guy. You're also the Colts guy and the Philip Rivers guy. So what do you make of Paris Campbell? I'm the Philip Rivers guy. Oh, I love Philip Rivers like for his career.

I'm not like necessarily touting him this season. But yeah. You think he's an interesting fun quarter. I love, yeah, I love Philip Rivers as a character. But yeah, I think so with Paris Campbell, there's so many things that worked against him as a rookie. I mean, he had like multiple injuries that cropped up that kept him out. So we don't really know if he was like a total bust as a rookie because it was just injury related with so much of it.

Broke his hand. It's tough to catch with a broken hand. And I think he had a core muscle injury or something like that that really held him back. And obviously that, you know, can be a big, big deal for guys like him who are super explosive athletes, you know? I believe when you get tackled, it's the aim for the core. So core muscle injury is not great. So, and I don't know. I don't know if I'm necessarily buying it, but you can get him late.

And he's a really talented player. He's really explosive. He ran 4'3. He is the type of guy that they could use on like sweeps and stuff. So that kind of adds some intrigue. He didn't have a ton of deep threats necessarily in college, or deep, deep targets necessarily in college. But there was some hype going into last season that he was really getting good at, you know,

deeper vertical routes and stuff like that. So I don't know. There's just, there's just a lot of potential. No, I want to linger on that because that's the interesting thing about Perez Campbell. One of the 15-20 fastest players in the NFL. But in college wasn't catching deep stuff. It's stuff around the line of scrimmage, screens, getting him in space. I can't really think of too many other guys who the calling card is really fast, doesn't catch deep passes.

Percy Harvin. All right. That, I mean, that's kind of the archetype. Hopefully that's not what it. Austin was quite a bit smaller, too. And he also just isn't good at football. So that's just, let's hope it's not Dave on Austin. I would say he's like a Curtis Samuel, Percy Harvin style player where you may need to scheme him up a little bit in terms of he's not like necessarily this really high level route runner.

But he's really explosive. Ran a 4-3, you know, so. Feels like he'd be a good 49er. Absolutely, actually. Yeah. But hopefully they can scheme him up. All right. We're getting a little away from news and just purely at hype right here.

Will Fuller on the Texans. Texans quarterback to Sean Watson said, quote, Will's going to ball out. Will's going to be one of the best receivers in the league, end quote. Now, quarterback say that stuff about the receivers all the time. But I wanted to note, on average,

Will Fuller's draft position is 80th. Last year, it was 85th. And the year before that, it was 76th. This is a great point, but you. He's basically been drafted in the same place for three years in a row, even though this year, DeAndre Hopkins is gone. He's gone.

DeAndre Hopkins has the second most targets over the last seven years to just Julio Jones. He is gone. And Will Fuller has not moved in drafts. It is astounding. Please take advantage of how everyone's just like, oh, yeah, he's hurt. I don't want him on my team because everyone's been burned by him. Will Fuller is the most egregious value this year, literally the same ADP as the last couple of years.

So that's all I wanted to say on that. Is there a more, I don't even. know how to explain him. Like, he could be, he could literally be the best receiver on the planet. Like, that's his ceiling. Per game basis.

You know what I mean? Like, he has games where he could catch four touchdowns. Well, what's the thing is if you made it. He did that. You have like, you know those games where you'd check the box score

and he'd be like, Will Fuller, six, just 2-11 and three touchdowns. You're like, oh, my God. Yeah. Draft Will Fuller,

for the love of God. Okay, let's keep rolling here. Bill's running back, Zach Moss, the rookie. He's a sleeper. I don't know how to pronounce this name. Buscoglia? Super Italian.

I would say Buscalia. Bouscalia? No, G? No, I think the G, the G, okay, so we're going to get into linguistics here, but I'm pretty sure in Italian words, the G is silent. Yeah, like, Familia's with a G in town. And, like, Polyachi's pizza. I don't know.

See, the Jews pronounce more letters than what's in the word. It's the other way around. We just add, and it's just all this stuff that is there. Anyway, the point is, Zach Moss's role is perhaps being undersold and then he was excelling before Singletary lost a fumble

and then put on a show after Singletary was mothballed. Singletary was mothballed that is from I, what's, Bouscali, I apologize. Zach Buscali. Zach Buccai.

I apologize, Zach. So the only thing I'm thinking is I think there's a chance by week three where like Zach Moss and Devin Singletary should have had should have swapped drafts spots.

I think that's possible in fantasy drafts. We're like, you should just draft Zach Moss where Devin Singletary is going. I think no one's going to do

that because they're scared, but I think, like, there's a really strong chance, like week four. We're like, oh, yeah, he's just the guy now. By the way, it's Joe Buscoglio, not Zach. We really butcher. We're going to get Joe on the, we're going to get Joe on the pot. By the way, I know Joe. I know Joe, and I wanted to say sorry for all that. Oh, you know Joe. That's cool. I know Joe, but I wasn't 100% sure on pronounce. Well, Joe thinks Zach Moss is being undersold in Buffalo.

It's always sunny when Frank messes up the toe with the toe knife. He's like, botched it. Yeah. I'm a trip. All right. Last one. Irv Smith, tight in for the tight end for the tight. for the, almost the Titans, the Vikings versus Titans, it's a whole Norse mess up there. Ari Fassan of the athletics

said the team's been experimenting with Irv Smith on the outside summon camp and also just Earth Smith can be really good. You guys, he hasn't really been getting a lot of buzz as a sleeper title this year. Would you guys want to leave your draft

with Earth Smith as your starting tight end? Maybe. Another reason to like him is because there reports that rookie wide receiver, Justin Jefferson's been kind of struggling. And that he's not... You're that, D.K.?

Yeah, I mean, I'm not, worried yet, but yeah, it's definitely something to kind of monitor. I heard they might cut them. Yeah. He's going to get traded for a future conditional seventh rounder. I think Irv Smith is really interesting, honestly. With tight ends, so a lot of them break out either second or third year. That's kind of the most common spot you find these breakout tight ends.

There's several of these guys that could do it. But, I mean, if you look at the Vikings past catching core, he has a real shot to be their de facto number two. I think it's worth a shot for sure. I don't know if I'd feel real comfortable going into the year with him being my number one for sure. But certainly in Dynasty, he's worth taking. And then I think he's a good late round dart throw if you wait on tight end. All right.

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I wish there was like a I want to do like a negative sound effect for this one. It's like bong. It's like he shines on. I like that. And also I want to keep this in the podcast. And we just play that sound. I wasn't planning on cutting this.

Oh, good. Okay. Cool. So play the thing. All right. These are before we did players getting hype. Now this is players getting yikes. Let's start with.

First, what is that? Players getting yikes? Pretty terrible. Yikes. It's like hypes and yikes. But getting yikes. It wouldn't have to be like getting yikes. it doesn't make sense getting yikes.

Don't think about it too much. You know what yikes means. You know what guys aren't getting Hypes either. It's hyped. Hyped and yikes. Hyped and yikes. It would be the thing you should say.

Hype and yikes. Moving on. We need a new one. Kishon Vaughn. Singular. Kishon Vaughn. Rookie running back for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Third rounder to Vanderbilt was kind of billed as the,

I mean, by some people like D.K. As competing with Ronald Jones for the starting running back job for the box. Wait a minute. Let's stop right there because I've been fading Kishon Vaughn. Oh, whatever. So don't you dare tell me, I was about to, Brad, I was about to do a real, really, really premature victory lap here.

I've been Ronald Jones since day one. Yeah, I've been all over this. Basically, there's not going to even be a competition, it seems, because Kishon Vaughn was placed on the COVID list. And again, when someone goes on the COVID list, we don't know. They don't release if it's a positive test or they were just exposed. But he was on there for a long time. He was on there for more than a week.

He missed a lot of practice. I think it was double-digit practices that he missed. And when you're a rookie coming, trying to go from, Vanderbilt to blocking for Tom Brady. You're not going to block for Tom Brady anymore when you miss that much practice. So it seems that he's going to be like more of a kick returner now. So one, would you guys even draft Kishon Vaughn now? And two, where would you draft Ronald Jones given this news?

I wouldn't draft Kishon Vaughn. And Ronald Jones is another guy. I think come week three or four, everybody could be like, damn, how did we not see this coming? I think I would take him in the RB 24 to 36 area. I can't believe. I'm still upset that you were trying to. to call me someone that was hyping up Kishon Vaughn. Because I was starting to feel like I was taking crazy pills with all the hype that Kishan

Vaughn was getting. So anyways. I'm glad we agree on this. I'm sorry to, I'm sorry to back on you. I'm glad you. Danny. No,

I'm just kidding. Well. I actually, yeah, because I've been kind of all over this Ronald Jones thing. I felt like I was higher on him than he consensus. I went back and watched a lot of his tape from last year and he looked pretty damn good, honestly. He has been anchored as we talked about on the last podcast. like the anchoring that from his terrible rookie season is really really playing into his value right now.

Also bad names. Yeah. Ronald Jones. His name is Ron Jones. He sounds like a lawyer. You guys are dead right. There's three overlapping cognitive biases. People hyped him before and the bucks have been a bad, one of the worst fantasy running back teams for like seven years and his name's boring.

Yeah. So anyhow, yeah, I think he's a. Right now he's 75th on PPR. His ADP and PPR on Fantasy Pro is 75th, so I don't know, six-seventh round, if you want to really get him. And so, and I would feel comfortable with that, I think, if you're like waiting, if you're waiting on running back, are you, hey, let's play the name game. Would you rather have Ronald Jones, okay, I'll start here.

Ronald Jones or James White? Jones. Ronald Jones. Ronald Jones or Camakers. Jones. I think I like the Lakers. I don't love Jones that much. Here's the thing to remember with Ronald Jones.

Part of the reason that Ronald Jones is one, like he wasn't as good of a player in his first season as he was toward the tail end of his second. So he got better is number one. Number two, it's so important to remember the Buckingneers went from James Winston to Tom Brady, who again is what might be stylistically

one of the biggest changes in NFL history because the Buccaneers basically are now going from they're in every, last year they were in every game. and they were passing in the fourth quarter of basically, I believe it was like 14 of their 17 games. Basically, they were just chucking the ball because Jamis, the 30 picks also means 30 times

that their defense did a great job, but the underlying numbers were hid because they had so many short fields. If the buck's defense is still great, they retain, I believe, all 11 starters. They're going to be winning more games and running more in the second half way more often. Ronald Jones never really got the chance.

It's like, all right, you're going to get 12 carries in the first. fourth quarter. That never happened last year. And the second as the bucks are even kind of competent this year, we'll be like, oh yeah, of course this team's going to win more with Tom Brady than James Winston. Why didn't we see this coming? Of course they're going to be running more. I have a question. So Kishon Vaughn had been going. This news is pretty recent, so I don't know if it's affected the ADP yet, but he was going right in the same range as Zach Moss, 120th on fantasy pros right now. Do you want to put Dario Gumbawale in for him now? Because we,

there's been a little bit of buzz that Agumboale is going to be the third down guy. And, you know, that's obviously an important role with Tom Brady. So do we, do you actually swap in? Like, are we out on Vaughn completely right now and swap in? Yeah, he's a rookie. Yeah, he's not, I don't mean to be dismissive. But the way the NFL works is you're not really an NFL player until you play in the NFL. And when I just think that that is extra true and you're blocking for Tom Brady.

And until he proves he's not the third string, until he proves he's not a special team's player. Yeah. I mean, I don't see a reason to draft him. Look, there's so many other players in this range that I'd way rather have. Zach Moss, T.J. Hawkinson, Gaseki, Alexander Madison,

Nicole Hardman. Like, these are all guys going in the approximate range right now as Kishon Vaugh. Now, he's going to fall. Yeah, it's, it's just, don't draft him. All right, let's keep rolling here. Nick Chubb suffered a concussion practice last week. It was actually the first padded practice the Browns had.

The Browns expect him to make a recovery for the season, but do you got, Nick Chubb's just a weird case. He almost won the rushing title last year. Also, everyone's openly questioning whether he's even going to be a true starter or if him and Cream Hunt are going to be mostly splitting this backfield. Isn't there a world where Nick Chubb and are just the best duo? And isn't there also world where Nick Chub is like, oh, yeah, right.

He's one of the three best running backs in football and we should have drafted him higher. Which one do you think is more likely this season? The former. Him and Hump splitting. I feel like I'm going to probably be moving him down a bit. I think, yeah, because number one, we just don't know what this coaching staff's going to do. You know, we don't know how they're going to split it up.

The injury just adds to that uncertainty. Would you other Nick Chubb or Josh Jacobs? Yeah, I was just looking at that. I think I would take Jacobs. Isn't Jacobs essentially Nick Chub without Kareem Hunt nipping at his heels? I think Josh Jacobs in real life is a worse player. I don't think he's nearly as talented as Nick Chub.

Yeah, that's just better at Nick Chub. Not even nearly is. Nick Chub is secretly one of the three best running backs at just making people miss, which he doesn't get credit for. Jacobs is really good too, though. I know. I don't know about he's not even nearly close. Well, no, the difference is though for fantasy purposes, Josh Jacobs is unquestionably the team's running back because the Raiders, John Gruden need him to play and be good. So that he's going to play. So I think that's a huge difference, even though Nick Chubb is good. I don't know. What's going

on here? I'm not saying John Gruden needs him to be good. He also is good. To be clear, I am not saying Josh Jacobs is a bad player. I'm saying Nick Chubb is underratedly, talent-wise, only like one tier below Sequin Barclay in my mind. He's really good. He's amazing. He's amazing. Josh Jacobs. Yeah, I hate Josh Jacobs.

That's what I'm trying to say here. I would take Jacobs over Chubb. Yeah. I think they're both underrated this season. All right, let's keep rolling here. Jalen Hurd, receiver for the 49ers, tore his ACL. He missed all the last season with an injury as well. So he's a 2019 third round pick is just not going to play for the first two seasons now.

He's on IR. So now the 49ers have Emmanuel Sanders left. Debo Samuel's. expected to be healthy for week one, but it's a broken foot. And then we just don't know what the deal is here. Here's the deal. We could go here and parse, oh, like, maybe the rookie Brandon Iuke is going to be really good. Or maybe it's going to be Trent Taylor or receivers.

George Kittles is the number one. I ask you guys, why is it not just the 49ers running back is going to catch more passes this year? So Tevin Coleman, to me, is more valuable. I don't look at the 49ers receivers at this point and think, Brandon Ayuk is definitely going to be great. I look at Kevin Coleman bumps up to me as the 49ers. receivers should take more injuries. Do you agree or disagree with that?

I think George Kittle might be the one that I'm who takes the biggest leap. And I think I've been thinking about potentially putting him above of Travis Kelsey this year. But talking about running backs, the reason why I don't think Kevin Coleman is now getting this big bump in my mind is because of the emergence of Jerich McKinnon as now like potentially the third down back in San Francisco. So I don't think Coleman rises. I just think McKinnon meets him close to his level. And now it's a three-headed backfield that I almost want nothing to do with.

Yeah, McKinnon went from handcuffed to Adrian Peterson to now sneakily, like, sneakily, like, to me, could be the lead winner, um, sitting around the 140s because if he's only one injury away from just running the 49ers back foot. They paid him a lot of money in free agency. A couple years ago. A couple years ago, he was pretty high in fantasy drafts. He was, he was my third round pick in the ringer fantasy league.

Yeah. Still came in first place. It's okay. All right. Let's keep rolling here. Afternoon, in the regular season, we lost in the playoffs. But you know what? It's okay.

We persevered. I know everyone cares. All right, Nikiel Harry for the Patriots, there are reports that he's struggling to separate, which is kind of like a meme because that was the book on him in Arizona State. It was the book on him at his rookie year. I'm good. I mean, I don't take him or you don't go out. I'm out.

Yeah. We should do like a shark tank. For that reason, I'm out. Oh, my God. Sorry, Nikiel. I like Mohammed's Sanu. By the way, it's funny. It's funny that we skipped over.

Nikiel Harry and just the fact that Patriots might have a platoon at quarterback. What in the hell is happening in New England right now? The charges hit me up and we're like, hey, we might be shopping you to New England. Stidham has been apparently... You think you could play quarterback? Quarterback's easy. That's what I heard.

I can dump off to James White like nobody's business. Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's really easy to play quarterback for the Pats. We're going to find that out. All right, let's just get to a couple of sleepers we haven't touched on yet. I think we liked a lot of the guys we talked about in the first segment, but a couple guys we want to hammer. Just to be clear, Boston Scott, Eagles, Sleeper. Love it.

But honestly, we can just keep it like that. Jared Goff, we'd like him, sleeper. Even though I think that the way he was chipping. He's going to be a QB1, I think. I don't like his golf for him. I think he's kind of too much of a tryhard, but it wasn't good enough. I like this. He had a good swing.

What are you talking about? I don't know. He's chipping. I mean, he also apparently lives super close to Blake Bortals. They apparently live across the freeway in Marina del Rey for one another. they play golf all the time. My favorite Blake Bortle's thing is that he's... Bortle's still on the Rams?

He bought a Tesla, like just online, and he wanted to do it. Half the reason he did it was he wanted to stop dipping. And then he stopped going to gas stations because Tesla's you don't have to get gas. Now he still goes to gas stations, but he just goes to the dip. He's not on the Rams.

Damn. No, I think he's a free agent. Have you seen that video of a reporter asking him, what would you do if you weren't playing football? And he said probably construction and just rip six. When I went to Rams camp, I literally almost got tabletop at someone. Someone rolled and almost took out my ACL and I looked down.

I was like, what the? And I was like, oh, it's Blake Bortles. I was weird. I didn't expect that. Did it in my fantasy teams and then he did it to me in real life. All right. Does he smoke? I love this.

Just smoking heaters. Anyway, the point is, if Darts. The point is every year, five of the top 10 quarterbacks drafted in fantasy don't end up in the top 10. And there is no quarterback with a more obvious path to rejoining the top 10 than Jared Goff. It's like that simple. Yeah.

So Jared Goff just really. really obvious path. I wanted to mention my sleeper, my favorite sleeper heading this year is Damien Harris running back for the Patriots. Sony Michelle increasingly

doesn't seem healthy. Even when he's been healthy, he's been extremely unimpressive for the Pats. New England is just kind of desperate for a starter. James White is a receiving back, not a running back.

Rex Burckhead has been like the star age. Do you trust that? No. I think Damian Harris is, again, not just Pats beat reporters. like Mike Reese, who is the, I believe the most experienced Pat's Beat reporter has been there.

I mean, he's been on the Pats Beat longer than Tom Brady, I believe, or maybe right around the same time, 20 years. And he keeps saying that Damien Harris is coming. This is not some scrub. This is literally the guy who has the all-time record for yards per attempt at Alabama. And Mike Reese made the point that Ivan fears, the running backs coach for the Patriots, told Mike Reese, James White was very quiet his first season and then exploded second year. Shane Vareen had a quiet rookie season, exploded second year. That's something that happens with Pat's running backs is they need their rookie year to kind of be quiet.

I think Damien Harris is just straight up. It's starting running back for Pat's this year, and he's borderline not going in drafts. Yeah. For what it's worse, I mean, Harris was, he platooned with Josh Jacobs. I mean, he was good enough. He was good enough to be, you know what I mean?

Like, I don't know how much that means for the NFL, but. I mean, Trent Richardson went, whatever, top five. I'm good. good on, I'm good on paths running backs. I just think he should draft James White and be done with it. I, like, because I kind of think that what's Damien Harris' ceiling? Done with it.

I kind of think it's just he's Sony Michelle. I think his ceiling, no, he's way better pass catcher. But that's why James White's there. He's not like, but James White isn't going to play every down. I think that. I think it's more likely that James White's, that James White plays more snaps he's ever played this year than. Are any of these running backs going to be valuable?

It's going 70 picks after James White. That's my argument. Are any of these running backs in this offense? going to be worth it anyway. James White, I think. You're going to take a dart on Antonio Gibson in the Washington offense where they might actually go to the season

with five running backs on the roster. Well, I don't want those to be my only two options. I'm just saying. James White is not a dart. You have to take him in like the seventh round, six seventh round. That's not taking to dart. Patriots running backs never pan out, ever.

Literally. I'm actually, I'm with you, Craig. I don't, yeah, whatever. I don't trust any of these guys. My God, let's keep rolling. All right, we're introducing a new segment we're very excited about. But first, we're going to talk about Roman. If you've been dealing with acne, redness, dark spots, or wrinkles, finding treatment

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It's boring. So we're going into something that's just as we're going to antiletics here. Anti-lytics, get it? Anti-lytics. Craig, you want to explain antiletics? It's just like the football adjacent news that changes my opinion about actual football. So I just wanted to start off, you know, there's a lot of best shape of my life hype in training camp time. That's really one of the biggest antiletics that I focus on. There's a lot

of Instagram stuff we'll get into. But I want to talk about how unbelievably jacked David Johnson looks. Oh my God. Have you seen his shoulders? He looks like Dwight Howard. What are these, so we're looking at David Johnson's Instagram right now. What are these? Oh, those are like Boldest. What are these things they wearing? They're like, they look like training bra or whatever, like sports. It looks like the wind. It was like sports bras.

Is it like weighted? It's a weighted little vest thing? Well, sometimes they run with the parachutes for air resistance, but he's not wearing the parachutes. Like they took the parachute off for the train. He probably ripped it out because he was so fast. It's called catapult. I'm going to look this up while you guys thought.

Faster than the wind. Is it bad that like I actually, this stuff affects the way I think. And this is like what Instagram's poison does to my brain, the toxicity. of Instagram. Yeah, that's 5 million years of human evolution where you're supposed to make snap judgments and the entire point and I'm like, I think he's going to be good now.

Like I think he's going to be better. I looked it up. This is actually pretty interesting. These catapult devices, which is what David Johnson was wearing. It's a valuable, I'm reading this from SI. It's a valuable tool. Sorry, I lost my split.

You got three words in. I just what is it? What is it? Tell me what it is. You lost your place? I was going off memory. Okay. Plenty of it.

teams have started to use. It tracks everything a player does from the number of football movements he makes during practice to the exact number of throws, a quarterback attempts. So it's a tracking device. That's really, that's interesting. So it's like for... So you got the COVID tracking device, you got the best tracking device. I think it's like so that

it's so you don't, it's so you don't overwork your players during practices and stuff, I think. It's called catapult? Yeah, it's a catapult. I'm more of a trebushe guy. Ah, good one. Anyways. It wasn't really. All right. Let, let, anyway. So I'm just saying, David Johnson's

it's absolutely ripped. I think this actually makes me even more bullish on him. All right, but here's the thing. We're talking about upper body for running back. This doesn't make any sense because Look at his legs. It's about legs. Well, no. Look at him. He's not even those Jack Guy of the week. A.J. Dylan on the Packers.

Just Google this. If you haven't seen this, just Google A.J. Dylan. There's a picture of him next to Tim Boyle is the backup quarterback for the Packers. That is unreal. What are your antiletics on A.J. Dylan, D.K. His legs actually almost, they look like Sequin Barclay, dude.

He looks, it's incredible. It's always a little bit weird. So, like, I do all the scouting reports for the ringers NFL draft guide, and it's always a little bit weird, like trying to describe someone's physique, you know. But the common term that people use for A.J. Dillon, he has a tapered frame. Because the dude has, like, massive, massive shoulders, a little tiny waist, and then these gigantic quads. It's just, dude, he's built like a truck.

I think he's going to be, I'm all in on A.J. Dillon. I think he's actually going to be way better than people think. I have tapered jeans. That's kind of, so we're kind of the same. Me and A.J. Dylan. Yeah. I'm not, I don't really understand what that means. Tapered frame.

It's like a, it's a term you see every once in one on scouting, but it's basically like, is that one like he's built like a T. Like swims? Yeah, exactly. Oh, okay. Well, if you're running back, it probably makes sense of jacked legs. Like, stiff forms are cool, but like your biceps are sick. but like your legs matter.

He's not skipping leg day is the point. And honestly, like, they took him in the second round. They want to be a run-heavy team. Why are people so low on him? I guess, I mean, obviously I understand the Aaron Jones thing. But there's just three running backs on the team. Aaron Jones had 19 touchdowns. It feels weird to draft a different running back than the guy who's-

James, yeah. So he's definitely like a later-round guy, but Jamal Williams got, he's averaged 114-4-4-per-season over the last two years. That's 146 touches. If you think he can get 146 touches, I don't know, that makes him kind of interesting. While I'm the best shape of my life,

Marquis Brown, the Ravens receiver, who is among the fastest players in football, added 23 pounds and is now at 180. Which again, means he played 157 pounds in the National Football League. That is kind of crazy. The dude put on 23 pounds. Do you realize how much weight that is in a season?

In a year, he put on 25. I mean, it's one more than 22, one less than 24. I do know how much it is. That's like a sixth of his body weight. He added. I don't know what was more shocking to me. The one I kept coming back to isn't the 23. It's that he played in the NFL at 157.

That was partly because he was hurt. Like his foot was injured, so it was hard for him to keep on weight, maybe. I don't know. He left it, to be fair, left the end of the season, his way out. Like, well, not, it's still a way in. But we left the season. His exit interview weighed 157. So you're right, Deka.

But still, he had to add this. 23 pounds. Did you guys see his diet what he was eating? No, what was he eating? Lots of protein. Let me read you his diet really quick. 7.30 in the morning, four eggs and oatmeal. Two hours later, protein shake with two tablespoons of peanut butter. Two hours later, lunch, which is steak, chicken, or lamb with rice, potatoes and greens. Two hours later, protein shake with almond milk, banana, protein powder, peanut butter. Three hours later, steak chicken or rice with potatoes. Two hours later, protein shake. The dude has three protein shakes aside from breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Yeah, a lot of times people are like, oh yeah, wow, you have to gain 20 pounds. That sounds so fun.

It's like, no, it's, it's literally these guys have to force feed themselves. His family was pushing him to eat. His girlfriend would meet him after workouts and, like, give him peanut butter to eat and he didn't want it. So half, so this is like half serious conversation, half like actual like football importance. Markis Brown is probably the breakout candidate for year two. And all the underlying advanced, boring numbers that we're not going to talk about here in Antilitic suggests this guy might be a top five, top 10 receiver this year. But it also is ridiculous to talk about him without this context of DK. Can he actually be this fast after adding 23 pounds? Like that has to change something about his speed, doesn't it? I mean, you would think physics, right? It would indicate,

but if he's like, you know, if he's working on his, if he's working on his expulsiveness, his lower body, sure, he could be as fast. It's a lot of it is like quick twitch. which, you know, explosiveness that doesn't necessarily leave you if you gain a little bit of weight. As long as you're doing it in the right way. Last year, he was clocked at 20.62 miles per hour during the season that was his fastest.

This offseason, he clocked 22 miles per hour. Well, he also had a broken foot last year. That hasn't enough to do with the weight. Like, he was running on a broken foot. Well, I'm just saying he topped out last year. Like, at his best point last year, he was at 20.62. And this offseason, he had 22. So he's faster than last year,

and we watched him and he was pretty fast. Also wanted to point out, ESPN stats and information. I don't know if you need to get new people or what's going on because they clocked the fastest speed in the NFL last year among wide receivers was Muhammad Sunu.

That was surprising. 24.7 miles per hour. He was the fastest. You kidding? One thing to always know about the fastest ball carrier is like it's a ball carrier. They don't really release publicly like not the fastest player.

So for example, Tyree Kill, remember when he caught up to Damien Williams in that touchdown? Yeah. That isn't track because he wasn't holding the ball, even though that is probably almost definitely the fastest anyone ran out of football field last year. I just couldn't believe it. Muhammad Sunu

would have been my 200th pick. There was a funny quote from John Harbaugh on Friday, Friday practice. He really showed that burst. This is about Brown, Marquis Brown, caught a 60-yard touchdown in practice. He goes, he really showed that burst. It was really a third or fourth gear.

How many gears are there? Whatever it was. It was on. That sounds like me. Isn't that just like a Dan Kelly quote? How many gears are there? We've already found out who you are, D.K., you're Will Dissly. You're Will Dissly. We didn't talk about this. Will Dissly, the Seahawks Tideon is a doppelganger for D.K.

They're like, Will Dissly looks like if D.K. got four more hours of sleep every day. I disagree. I think that's rude to Danny Kelly, first of all. I'm sorry. I think, yeah, he's calling me Hagger, essentially. I think Danny Kelly is a polite way of saying you're 14 years older than the man. I think it's a much more polite way than saying a young Danny Kelly.

You're old as hell. Yeah. I think it's better to be like D.K. doesn't get much sleep as a father than D.K.'s old. Sorry, I'll just call you old from now on. Jeez. The years have not been kind, Danny. You said it, not me.

I've actually, so I've seen Will Dissly in person. I don't think he actually really looks like me that much. He's red-headed. He's like six foot five, 250, for starters. He's like way different. But like there are, There's certainly some pictures where I'm like, whoa, that kind of looks like me. And then you heard the audio of it.

And I was like, whoa, what the fuck, dude? This guy sounds exactly like me. Hyphids, do you have a doppelganger? I don't know. Has anyone ever told you you look like anybody? Not that I know of. I've been told that sound like when I go to the New York thing where it's, yeah, no one cares about this. I don't know.

I want to, I want to figure this out. If anyone can think of a high fits doppelganger, please tweet. I've been told I have ones when I get into the New York accent, I'm kind of like, you know, I'm being. I'm like, oh, yeah, like I walk in here. Then I feel like people will toss it out more. Yeah. But guys, can we talk about Leonard Fournett's $100 bill? Oh, yeah, where's $100 bill on his pads?

Has this always been a thing? Because if it's always been a thing, honestly, we need to apologize to our listeners for never mentioning this before. He tweeted 100 mil, but I always kept it at 100 with everybody that knows me, and I want 100 yards a game. It's simple. That's the meaning of the $100 bill. He wears $100 bill on his pads on his back.

What are the odds? I like that. Ripper rips the $100 bill off his jersey this year. If they can catch him. Yeah, I think that that's not the hard part. We love Leonard for that. Not that hard to catch the man. I think that the $100 bill gets ripped off by Halloween,

assuming that there's a menifil season. So are we assuming he does this also in the season? This is like the- You can't put that on Twitter. This is like the Crabtree, Akib Tili thing where he got the chain ripped off of him. Do you remember this? How could I forget?

That was pretty amazing. All right. anti-lytics. I just want to shout out just shameless giants plug here. Daniel Jones, there is an article trying to compare

his quads to say quons. Not saying they're the same, but basically Daniel Jones's quads are big. Yeah, I heard he got beefed up this off season. Yeah, so just look out for Daniel Jones's low-rotic. Do you guys want your quarterback

to be beefed up, or do you not care? I want him to not fumble 19 times in 13 games. I don't care what he has to do. Big quads ain't going to help that. You don't know that. I think it depends.

I think if you're a pocket passer like Daniel... Well, I guess Daniel Jones runs a lot too. You throw the ball. You power from your legs. Your legs need to be strong. No, I'm saying like, okay, so Russell Wilson beefed up for a couple of years, and I didn't like that because he lost so much of his explosive in speed and everything as, like, a runner. And so now when he runs...

You just said it wouldn't be a problem for Marquis Brown. I guess Russell dropped the fat. No, the beefed up is very different. Like, if you saw pictures of Russell Wilson, he was like a little bit thick. Like, Marquis Brown is now normal-sized. but like anyway for instance Carson Wentz

is going the bad the dad bod route right now he's up to 250 from 237 last year damn he's up to 250 apparently and his teammates

are making fun of his dad bod so it's probably not like a really really ripped 250 yeah he's been hanging out with Big Ben this off season I don't know I think if you're if you're not going to be like a

heavy runner you know a really mobile quarterback then I don't don't, I think it is probably a little bit good to have a little more weight to throw around. You're not just easy to bring down. It's like the Ben Rothsburger thing. You know, you can stand in the pocket and kind of absorb that stuff, but there's definitely like diminishing returns. I don't want to be too slow. Speaking of the Seahawks, we're going to have, as a part of this

anti-olytic segment, we're going to have like an Instagram specific segment where we just basically make judgments for fantasy football based on athletes, uh, Instagram accounts, I guess. That's a work Yeah That's like the old person explanation But yeah The kids these days

We call it stalking We stalking We stalk their Instagrams And then make judgments High fits Explain it to me in millennial Yeah We should call it

Stock up, stock down But Oh That is good Okay Craig we did it Oh my God Stock up stocked down

Wow So anyways I just have a question To ask you guys Is there anyone in the NFL who is cooler than D.K. Metcalf? Is he a super vocal guy? Because I feel like I never hear him say things.

I just hear cool things about him. He's like the popular kid at school who no one like hangs out with, but you just hear how cool he is. He's like Bo Jackson. Like any story you hear like is believable. It's like he jumped over a 20 foot ravine. You're like, all right.

So he pushed an 18 wheeler. So first of all, he's, you know, there's a famous picture of him from Ole Miss where he's like got like a 20 pack. There was the famous story of him coming into the Sea Hawks room without a shirt and Pete Carroll took his shirt off to like you know go mono-a-mono or whatever

He's got the old school like cross dangly earring Which I think is badass He's just like the coolest dude He's the coolest guy in the NFL I mean he's got like the visor going on What's that? A lot of players got the one earring

Sequin's got the one earring They don't have the same personalities But just like body type way they play He's kind of like the new Des Bryant. Yeah, totally, totally. No, but he's quiet. Des talks a lot. That's what I said.

I said he's on the same personality. If I was going to pick the two coolest guys in NFL, you guys can use your own choices. D.K. Matt Kaff and Alvin Kamara. Who's cooler? So I was just on Alvin Kamar's Instagram. He's like a huge gamer. He's got like a whole massive Twitch setup in his house.

And he's got the crazy chair, like a bunch of monitors. It's like all dark and neon everywhere. And he's like, he's got his mic. microphone, his headrest, he's like locked in gaming. He's set up. I fell in love with Alvin Kamara when he took over the Marshall Lynch role of the star running back who eats candy on the sidelines. That is just a role that I hope exists as long as football exists,

that there is someone who does that. I went through the top 10 running backs or like the top 10 fantasy picks, Instagrams. Nothing super hot. They're all kind of boring. Except Kamara. Camar's cool. You're right, D.

All right. All right. So the stock hasn't moved. It's all right. No. Stockmore. It doesn't represent the real fantasy economy. The stock market,

ST-A-L-K market, yeah. It's all right. All these gains go into the top few percent anyway. All right. Well, that was antiletics. You're welcome. All right, that was antiletics. That was stock up, stock down.

Thank you, Craig. Thank you, D-K. Thank you to everyone for listening. We will see you guys on Wednesday.