The Ringer NFL Show - Training Camp Week 2 Risers and Fallers

Episode Date: August 9, 2022

We run through the top stories from around the league and determine who is rising and falling in our draft rankings after the second week of training camp. We finish the show with another edition of Fantasy Court.  (1:05) - Mike Evans and Chris Godwin (5:30) - Steelers QBs and Najee Harris (11:29) - Josh Jacobs (15:41) - David Montgomery and Khalil Herbert (22:52) - Brandon Aiyuk (28:29) - Kareem Hunt (29:29) - Dameon Pierce (32:07) - Romeo Doubs (38:00) - Isaiah Pacheco (43:29) - Rapid-fire training camp hype (50:41) - Fantasy Court Check out The Ringer’s Fantasy Football Draft Guide for rankings, tiers, sleepers, and more! Email us! [e-mail]. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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My name is Dana Hypert tonight. am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Rollback and today we are doing the training camp risers, the training camp fallers, the training camp guys who I've never really heard of so I just talked to Wikipedia's before this, but they might be relevant, I don't know. So much news is going on, so we just want to kind of go through

the guys that are up our rankings, going down, going right into it, starting with Tampa Bay Bucks, a lot going on there, the entire interior of their offensive line has already changed over, but Mike Evans tweaked his hamstring over the weekend, don't know how serious that's going to be and then combined

I personally am lowering Chris Godwin on my rankings because I think that I was over got over excited over optimistic in his return and I think now I have come back

to Earth and after seeing how practice is going realizing that Chris like Todd Bowles now the coach of the bucks after Bruce Heron's retired

basically said Chris like like try to temper expectations I feel like Chris Godwin still might miss the early and he just again

week one is seven months from right now it's seven months from his ACL eight months to week one to nine-month injury. I've kind of lowered Chris Godwin down to like the 80s or so in my rankings,

and then I don't know how you guys feel about that and then combined with the Mike Evans hamstring. But are you guys at all nervous about Tampa Bay? Yes. I mean, I'm not saying with you, Hyfitz. I've got him, I think, at 91. I might have him the lowest of all three of us. I'm just trying to be a little bit conservative about injuries.

This is your warning from last year. This is what you told us about Saquan, you know? Like, take it easy. Guys need a little bit of time to get back up to speed. So I think I'm just overly low on most, of the guys that are coming off of major injury this year just because, you know, there's just so much uncertainty with the timeline and, you know, just how good they're going to be even when they get in.

I'm less worried about Chris Godwin being able to come back from this ACL because that just doesn't really bother me anymore. I know I said, like, I like the guy who's like the year after the year after, but I still think it's Brady. He's probably going to be fine and by week four. But why? But it was the end of the season. You know, it wasn't in like October.

I trust the player. If he's back out there by week one, like if anyone's in the game, I'm assuming that they're healthy enough to actually perform well in the game. If Godwood is playing, I'm going to draft Godwin and I'm going to start Godwin confidently. I'm way more worried about the Bucks offensive line and like the Bucs as a team. This is why I like the Saints to win the division. I think they're a good bet. But the offensive line stuff to me is the most scary part of what's going on with the Bucs.

I think that's interesting since obviously Tom Brady. I mean, it's every quarterback's pressure. Week point is interior pressure. It's kind of like when people are like, oh, four main rush beats Brady, four main rush beats everybody. But it's not good that, I mean, obviously Ryan Jens is their, both their guards are shifted out. We'll see about the bucks. But I disagree. Players are hurt and play all the time. And like, honestly, it's actually, I think our biggest knowledge gap is guys who are playing hurt. We don't even know they're playing hurt. So the, if anything, like, I don't know. I think guys coming off that

injury. I'm out on Chris Godwin this year, as Dika said, the same way. The whole year? Well, you're going to have to draft him. I'm sure. I mean, like, maybe he'll get back in a form. I just think, look, his name's Chris Godwin and he's been on the bucks and you see those two things. And you're like, oh, he'll be good. He'll be fine. But in reality, like, he's still not going against defenders right now. It's August 8th. He's not going against other defensive players. And so I just think it's really, just because Adrian Peterson had like that incredible season when he came back from ACL and he's a freak, the idea that, oh, well, ACLs are fine now. I think that we're at this point where we're kind of a little crazily overconfident in people's injury

recovery. It's a really bad injury still. Yeah. Even though you like the guy who tore his Achilles a year ago, you're stoked about him this season. Oh, for K-makers for Rams? No, but even that, I'm like, no, I'm moving I moved him down as well quite a bit because, like earlier in camp, I felt that Akers was going to be the guy and that Henderson was really going to be rolled up. You moved him down because of Henderson's role in the offense, not because of his injury history. Yeah, well, Cam Akers had the most miraculous Achilles injury of a pro athlete on record. Like, everyone's focusing that it was bad when he came back.

I think the fact that he came back after five months is incredible and a good sign. I don't know. He also got hurt in August. Yeah, it's a year ago. Achilles, a much more devastating injury than an ACL. Before we move off the box, how do you feel about Mike Evans? Are we worried about this hamstring thing? So on one hand, I hate when, like, players you might take in the first year rounds get a hamstring injury.

Yeah. The flip side is he tweaked it. We'll see how long he's out of practice. Mike Evans has basically had hamstring issues for like seven years, and he also has seven consecutive 1,000-year seasons. He's just like such a veteran in this offense. He doesn't have to play a snap of practice in training camp, but I wouldn't care. As long as he's healthy by week one, I don't care. Didn't he have a hamstring?

injury last year and he just like played through it and he's still putting up he literally does every year hyvitz is right basically every season remember when but it's just always yeah as long as he comes back to practice within like seven-ish days i'm not worried about it yeah agree okay we also have to talk about the steelers quarterback situation we get tagged in these a lot we get tagged in these new i love that it's our thing now it's great Greg and i had a robust argument and i think both of us were right and both of us are wrong so the point of our argument was i basically was like tribescu's going to be the starter Mason Rudolph is going to be the number two and getting pick against the three.

That is exactly what the depth chart is right now. I'm not spiking the football on August 8th depth chart. You're very tempted to though, I think. Yeah, like you just said that you cut by saying I'm not going to spike the football, you suggested that you kind of are thinking about spiking the football.

No, no. Well, it occurred to me, obviously. But it's like this super bad thing. It's like, obviously that was the first thing I thought of spiking the football. But no, it's a depth chart in August 8th. It's a grain of salt. The flip size is that Tribiski's look. terrible.

Concerning detail was Mark Cabley at the athletic had this detail. So basically, the Steelers have a goal line drill called seven shots, which, you know, seven shots at the end zone. And Trubisky started O for 16 with his completions in this drill. I think the ball is at like the three or four yard line for this game. So on the other hand,

like look, Deonti Johnson, Chase Claypool, Pat Frymerth, Najee Harris, we're all like not in most of these plays. Yeah. But he was start,

he's four of 20. in this drill as of a day or two ago. That is, I mean, look, practice stats mean almost nothing, but that is bad. Four of 23 is bad. The real story here is that they're all bad. All these quarterbacks on the Steelers are bad. And Mason Rudolph looks the best,

but I put nothing to that because he's the only one who knows the offense. Jimmy Carapolo? They should have done that already. I think the thing, it's not the Steelers quarterback situation. I mean, that's not even my concern as much as, Are you guys at all, I move Naji Harris down in my rankings this week. Not, I'm very high on him.

I moved him down because I kind of looked at this offense. I was like, if this offense flat out sucks, I was a little concerned. So I moved him below Austin Eccler and below Derek Henry. So I still am pretty high on him. I still have him, you know, as a top, top eight player. But I'm a little nervous that this offense might just suck. Yeah, I just, again, they sucked last year. I get what you're saying.

I think I moved Naji down a little bit too in my ranking. King's... He also has a foot injury. I'm bearing the only. He also, Noggi also has been out like five or six days, which is not good considering half the argument for Naji is he'll play more snaps and maybe get more touches than the NFL. I think the Steelers want to run another conservative offense this year.

I think Trubisky, I think Trubisky is just kind of going to play the Ben Rothesberger role of last year. And it's not a difficult role to play. And Mitch is more mobile and can keep plays alive more. I still don't really see a world in which, Mark, is it Cabali or Cabali? Cabali? Cabali? Cabali?

Cabali? Cabali? I'm not the pronunciation expert here. His, I don't know. His prediction is that, that Steelers fans are going to miss Ben Rothesberger this year when we watch Mr. Trubisky play. I don't know if I agree with that.

I don't know if I'd go that far. But my thought is- Absence makes the heart grow fonder. Even if Mitch Trubisky plays the Ben Rothesberger role, I don't see how Noggi is worse. I still don't. I just think we've seen the floor of this offense and it's in the past.

I really do think, like, there's something to be said for, you know, obviously quarterback is most important. position and you know quarterback can make the scheme go but i can't get over the fact that like it was the ben rothusberger scheme like matt canada wasn't doing anything like he didn't he couldn't run any of the stuff he wanted to run because ben rothsburger wouldn't run it and at some point it was like ben was basically the offensive coordinator i just think that there are going to be more things that they can do to open things up get guys open maybe even open up some run lanes because

they're spreading things out and they're using more motion things like that that's confusing the defense, making them hesitate. I don't know. I'm maybe just, that's just total, like, idiot. It's never going to happen. Like, this is just, like, preseason bullshit that we do every year. But, like, I'm actually thinking that could actually make a matter. Like, it could make a difference.

Even though I do expect the quarterback situation to be still pretty bad. Ben was like the 88-year-old senile grandfather who refused to give up driving rights on the way to Palm Springs and the whole family's in the car going 25 on the freeway. Yeah. again, the reason that I'm so high on nausea that's underrated, because basically the argument is without Ben and without the quick passing. You know, nausea will have less catches. But again, I think people are underrating exactly what DECA said, where Rathusberger was too slow to come from under center. So they just did everything in shotgun.

But because you're in shotgun, you can't run the ball because shotgun's not as good for running. So they just were bad running game. I think a lot of the, I mean, Steelers fans listening, no. Their team's bad at running. I'm not saying the Steelers have a good offensive line. I'm saying the offensive line was mediocre players. that were put in the worst possible position because you have to run block

at a shotgun. No one's in a good spot. So the Steelers and Rothesberger had the most shotgun passes inside the five last year, inside the 10, inside the 20. Think about that. Not Mahomes, not Josh Allen,

fucking Ben Rothesberger and the Steelers had the most shotgun passes. And it's like, Chubisky will not, now they're going to be below average. I just think now I was just going to get a lot more touches. But I hope his foot is okay.

So. I have a question. And then also Deonté Johnson. Sorry, I forgot mentioned. Deonti Johnson, the receiver got his contract extension. So he got a little two.

year bump on his deal. Chase Claybowl back at practice. So there you go. So interesting. Pickens. Pickens is really showing out too. He's looked really good. Trubisky, Rudolph, picket, whoever plays, they'll probably suck. But if you suck the way that the offense wants you to suck, it still will be better than Ben was last year. We hope. We hope. You know that Simpson's line? Like when Bart's like, this is the worst day of my life and he's like, worst day of your life so far. We don't know. Maybe Trubis he will be worse than Ben. I don't know. My, so I, my friends were at UNC Chapel Hill when Trubisky was there and they called him Trubtsky. Yeah. While he was a college football quarterback.

So, okay. Is that good? Is that good? Okay. Fallers, Josh Jacobs, Raiders running back. My goodness. This was the story of the Hall of Fame game, I think. Woof. So, yeah, so they do the Hall of Fame game. If you don't know, they do the Hall of Fame game and they basically play preseason game a week before all the other preseason games. And it's so annoying to the teams that play that they actually let those teams start training camp a whole week earlier just so that it doesn't totally, they don't have to just basically do this like live tackling scrimmage without enough practices. So because it's so early, you don't really see like a ton of important people ever play. Well, Josh Jekers played the entire first quarter, which by Hall of Fame game standards is a lot. DK, when this happened, we kind of had, we disagreed in what this meant.

I was like, oh, skies falling. But also, I don't like Josh Jacobs. And I was like total like preseason means nothing unless it confirms your existing beliefs. So I was like, again, ready to spike the football. But do you think this means anything or do you think Josh Jacobs is still total of the starter? Because he did start the game. I mean, I still think he's going to be the starter. I think what it means is they don't view him as the foundation back of their offense and

they're going to utilize them for 300 touches, blah, blah, blah. It's basically going to be one of those situations where it's going to be really confusing and annoying and maybe dependent on matchup and maybe dependent on situation and who they're using. Because, you know, honestly, like, Amir Abdullah, he looked pretty good at times when he was playing. Zemir White had some explosive runs. He looked pretty good. Yeah, it's all their running backs played, I believe. They had like five running backs play. So it's not like someone else was benched like they're the precious starter. So, yeah, I think that's basically the story is it's going to be maybe potentially more of a

rotation than anybody wants than any fantasy player wants. And that's, I think what a lot of people kind of assumed might be the case just because they're, you know, they're bringing the New England system over with McDaniels. That's just how they've always done it. They're never going to, you know, lean on one guy for a ton of carries. They didn't pick up his 50-year option. So they clearly don't see him as like a, you know, long-term piece of the rebuild or whatever, you know, it's not really a rebuild, but the piece of what they're building there.

It's a, it's something. It's a re-something over there. Derek Carr, Devonte Adams, and Darren did not play because those are key contributors to this Raiders' office. offense and shows you how their value to McDaniels. If Josh Jacobs was in that crew, he wouldn't have played. So clearly, this is a sign. They don't see him in the same category as other guys.

McDaniels basically said that he likes them getting tackled, which is, which I understand. I basically think I agree. Old school. Basically, I said this on our last episode before the game happened where I don't know where I, there are certain plays we hate, but we have to rank. Josh Jacobs is one of them. Should he be 50th? Should he be 100th?

he should be somewhere in between there. And yet, if I'm on the clock with the 100th pick, I still almost don't want him. I would take him. But it's the point where it's just, there's certain kinds of players that I don't want this person. And there's almost like a point where their value,

it's like in a theory like, look, if a player falls, so you want a stop up value, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I didn't want Josh Jacobs on my team. It's not the kind of player that wins your games. It's like low upside, low floor. It's like he could lose the job. You know, he's not going to press them.

They didn't draft him. He's gotten plenty of volume in the past, hasn't been that good with it. So it just, well, so. I will say the one thing that was a little bit

encouraging, and again, this is, you never want to overreact to the Hall of Fame game. I just want that to be clear. I always over it. Understatement of the century. Served me well.

However, they did throw it to him a couple times. They were utilizing him on screens. He didn't rotate in, which is in and out. So that means like, ostensibly he is a starter. And by the way,

and I think Nathan Yonki pointed this out from PFF, last year's Hall of Fame game or at least the first preseason game for the Patriots, McDaniel's rotated. started Damien Harris. Like, Damian Harris played the first, like, series or two.

So, I don't know. Like, I think the idea is don't overreact one way or another to this. And Josh McDaniels to come out and say, we are not trying to trade Josh Jacobs, which, to be clear, is because he was asked, are you trying to trade Josh Jacobs? So he said, no. So that both means nothing, I guess, in a way. What's supposed to say, yes? We're trying to, no.

It was definitely funny, though. People were freaking out about it on Twitter during the game. It was like, holy shit, he's still in the game. What quarter is it? People were freaking out. Other fall or under riser. David Montgomery bears running back kind of fall of Cleo Herbert. His backup is a riser because he's not really backup.

Seems like that is going to be a rotation in Chicago. D.K. Is this, I mean, Montgomery, we had him on the all boring team. I think he's officially just boring now, but he's not on the all boring team. I dropped him quite a bit. I think I dropped in 20 spots. I've been the David Montgomery defender, but like, honestly, a lot of the argument in favor of David Montgomery is just the absolute awesome volume he got last year.

Like when he came back after getting her and Cleo Herbert took over for him for a little while, he came back and he was basically like a three down back. He was getting almost every snap, all the high value stuff. And there's just frankly not- But then that coach and GM were fired. Correct.

And there's no way that you can bank on that happening again anymore because there's a new coaching staff here. And honestly, like we talked about this on the last pot. Like, there's no real reason I don't think for coaches to play the running backs like that much. Like,

what good is it? can do you. I really just don't see the idea. Like the point in it, I think it's great for fantasy. It's much more fun for fantasy. But like in the real world, ramming your, like, getting your running back just exposed to hits after hits after hits in every single game is like not a good process. Yeah, it's like, didn't reports come out about Denver saying that they wanted to use

Melvin Gordon and Javante sparingly because they wanted to keep them healthy? It makes the most sense. Yeah, they said pitch count. Yeah. It's smart. It's practical. Again, I don't want to spike the football, but I also did. say that last week when I went to Denver. I was like everyone we need the horny police for Javonte Williams.

Bonk. Yeah. Bonk indeed. Okay, so Montgomery like a like a rich version of Josh Jacobs where it's like, you know what? Because the other part of the Bears, we made this joke. The worst receiving core in the league, if you rank every receiving core of the league is Chicago's. And if you rank every offensive line in the league, Chicago's might be last. And it's like at what point

is this just, we don't know what admit it, but the Bears are actually that offense you don't want the backfield. It's like unless Justin Fields, also Justin Fields might vulture touchdowns. And it's like, sure, maybe there's some cool read option thing where the rushing is really good. In reality, all their players, except four, like, kind of suck. And a lot of them are getting hurt now, too. It's like Byron Pringle is hurt. Nickil Harry, who maybe wasn't going to play, he got hurt. Yeah, I think you're right, D.K. But Khalil Herbert's a cool late round pick. We'll see when people are drafting where he's actually ranked. He's probably cool late run

picked. However, I also kind of get the fear that this bears backfield is just one of those three backfields this year where you're like, it seemed cool in August. And then you get through like, oh yeah, this team sucks. So, you know, we'll see. The new giants. But rather of Herbert in the 130th pick than Montgomery anywhere, really. So is Herbert, you think it's just that the coaches just view him as a better player? I mean, this is a six-round draft pick who played all four years in college.

You think he's just out playing Montgomery in training camp? I think it's what D.Ks. No, Montgomery's the starter, but it's what D.K. just said. Why would teams give someone 90%? of steps, 80%, 70, especially when they didn't draft him. David Montgomery's a free agent at the end of this year. Ryan Poles, the new Bears GM, like this is a ground-up rebuild. Like they somehow, they Justin Fields, who they just took like, what, two defensive backs

with their two picks and for the Bears. This is like a three-year facelift that the Chicago team needs. Honestly, you could argue to me, the Bears are on like a Houston Texans level. Yeah. rebuilding process. What world do they want David Montgomery to get 75% of the case? They want to see a Cleo Harbord's worth anything. They want to rotate him in.

I don't know. It's worth seeing. So I just, you know. The only argument, maybe this is just galaxy braining it is they know that he's not the long-term answer. So they're just going to ride him this year and not try and risk long-term injury to

anybody else because they're like- They're not going to protect their sixth round pick because he's so precious for Herbert. It's just like, they didn't draft him either. Overall, it's just like, the only argument. If Khalil Herbert like one,

like won the passing game work and the Bears Justin Fields was just checking down all the time sure but I don't know if Fields is some checkdown artist either so my God, okay. Bears are going to be really bad I hope Robert Mazes. They're the least discussed team I feel like of the fantasy offseason for us. We are not talking when we do the, we're going to do an episode called the players that nobody's talking about before your draft.

Darnell Mooney is on that list. Yeah, seriously. Darnel Mooney had more targets than Jamar Chase last year. And honestly Fields is in the conversation as like a high ups like the like the bad version of Trey Lance where maybe he'll just run a lot, but even that, it's like... Darno Mooney is like Brandon Cooks of the NFC.

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You passed. I powered through it. Yeah. I can tell when you're doing a parenthetical. just by your tone, your intonation. He just goes, permitted parishes. That's called professionalism, D.K. That's the, that's the art right there.

Okay, well, honestly, I wish I could have given the parenthetical voice to just Josh Jacobs and David Montgomery. I do a whole segment. This is the non-parenthetical, which is a riser. Brandon Ayuk, receiver for the 49ers. Non-parenthetical, actual thing that matters. Brandon Ayuk is like the star of 49ers training camp. And I'm wondering, are we, D.K., do you think we're all,

too low on Brandon Ayukes slash maybe too high and Devo Samuel. Probably. Yeah. All right. Settled. All right. Let's go read more ads. Yes. Iuke to me is one of the most enigmatic fantasy players of this season. Like, the upside is absolutely elite. Like he has shown it in the past. He's actually done it. Like he over short periods, of course, he has to get out of the doghouse and stay out of the doghouse

and be consistent and all that. But we've seen what he can do, you know, high volume, big plays, run after the catch. He's a really good player. If you remember last year, he was getting drafted ahead of Devo Samuel by a lot. That was before he had zero catches in week one. And then was like the wide receiver 92. I just wrote this down. He's like the wide receiver 91 through the first half of the season.

Well, so Matt Harmon at reception, perception, at a really good point on this the other day. And he basically said that Ayyuk didn't really prepare for a bigger role the way Shanahan won in the first half of the season. but like Shanahan loves the way that he's preparing this year and Matt Harbin also made an excellent point that Debo

not that Debo's not excellent and not like the number one guy there, but Debo's everything Debo does well jives really well with what Jimmy Garoppolo does well because Jimmy Garoppel just targets the middle of the field and Jimmy Grappolo is not throwing outside the numbers because he kind of can't very well and so he doesn't but like the things Brandon and Euk does well

is more outside the numbers but you know do stuff inside as well but like Trey Lance is much better suited to do to throw the routes that Iyuk is good at. Also, they've been practicing together in the off season. Which I don't know that Debo wasn't, but he had his contract stuff. But Iyuk and Lance did practice together this off season more. They seem to have better chemistry.

I just, Iyuk seems like such an obvious breakout player. He's so young. Yeah, when Lance, when Lance was throwing to IUC last year, he had the third highest a dot amongst all qualified passers. That's not nothing. Yeah. The only problem is, is that I think Iyuk might be better in real life than he's going to be in fantasy because we just don't know how much the Niners are going to actually throw the football.

And all of the times that Iyuk really speaks. spiked, like his rookie season, he had a seven-week stretch where he was going nuts. He averaged, like, 100 yards a game was fantastic. He's jumping over, people. But Debo and Kittle were out, like, 80% of those games. So I'm just not sure. I think he'll have, you know, spike weeks. But I don't know if it'll be consistent enough in the offense.

I know. It's like the, it's the zero-sum game thing where if he, if he's awesome, does that mean Kittle just doesn't do jack shit or what here? Because that's my concern taking Debo, though. Like, I'd rather take Brin'ne. I think I would too. The 90th pick and be like, you know what? He's really inconsistent third option, the Niners.

That's too bad. All right. It didn't get that one right. Then I'd then take Debo and then it's like, oh, actually, Debo's still amazing. He's this really impressive player, but he was really good in fantasy because of the running stuff, which they don't need anymore because all six of their running backs aren't hurt. And also he was, he's not going to get 30% of the passing offense because Jimmy's not the

quarterback. And it's like, if it evens out, even a little bit. then you're going to regret taking Debo with the 20th pick. And again, they're the same players they were. It's just, you know, Dibo's not going to get the ball like you see D lamb. I think the lesson with the Niners in fantasy football is just no matter what draft the cheapest player at whichever position.

That's how I feel. And that's kind of where I'm at. I'd rather have Brandon I use 60 picks after, or 70 picks after Debo. That just is how I feel this season. Also, because underrated, for all the talk about we have about running backs who might get hurt,

Debo has scantly played healthy seasons of his own. Not that he's going to get hurt, but... How many teams have, like, the top receiver and top riding back by ADP have, like, a very realistic shot of finishing the season well below the backups at both positions?

I mean, it is not that ridiculous to forecast that Tyrion Davis Price and Brandon, I, you could just straight up have better seasons than Debo, Samuel, and Elijah Mitchell. I think it's... That's a great point, and I actually think they're probably the most likely team for that to happen.

Yeah. Like, even without injury. Right. That's the thing. It's so tough, man. Yeah. I really like Ayut, though. Like, but it is hard to find where the volume is going to come from.

Is he just a Giovante Williams, but at wide receiver? The difference is Giovante Williams is like a top 25 pick to get him. And Iyuk again is like, you can get him like 90th. True. True. Depending on it's outside the top 120, depending where you're looking. I'm just worried Lance throws like 20 times a game and Iyuk gets like five targets. If you're drafting at ESPN, Braddon,

and Eukes is like 130th. I mean, think about that. Yeah. Yeah. He was the wide receiver 22 per ADP last year. I looked this up today. He was the top 24. He's 24 years old.

It's fine. Okay. Yeah. Also, we've talked about him a lot, but also Fred Warner, who's the captain of the Niners defense, basically, like, picked a fight with him and has been chirping him. And they asked them, why did you start a brawl over with Brandon Ayuk? And he was just like, Brandenioch can be really good.

I'm trying to piss him off so he gets better, which is not a quote, but that was kind of what he meant. I was like, that's awesome. Love to hear that. I used to always get told when I was playing middle school and high school sports. One of my coaches, I forget who it was, but they would always say the second I stop like chirping you, that's when you should know there's a problem. Like I only chirp the people who I have faith in and believe in and I see potential in.

The second I stop critiquing you, that means I've given up. I thought that was a really interesting point. Yeah, when Craig was a producer, we were just like, you little bitch, edit that pot. Now they just don't say anything to me. No, we just gave up on them. Okay. Well, speaking and giving up, the Browns running back,

Cream Hunt asked the Browns for a trade. And they were like, no. And he did a hold in for two days. And they were like, all right. And now he's back. And now he came back. Fine. Really sad.

Really sad, Holden. I don't know if this changes anything. He's an expiring. He wants a new deal. If Creamen got traded somewhere, he could be really good. But basically, same role as last year.

I feel like the Brown's going to hold on to him. Yeah. And then he's just receiving back in an offense where, you know, it's pretty valuable to be a running. back, but he's like AJ Dillon. He has no leverage right now. I mean, that's the problem is they have good.

Like, Deernerce Johnson's really good too, and he's shown that he's good. So that the Browns would not get desperate to grab to like give him a raise or whatever, give him a trade. And who's going to trade for a running back? There's just so many of them. Regardless, Cream Hunt, once again, is probably just one of the more boring but underrated and pretty solid fantasy assets. He's good every year. I'd rather have Cream Hunt than Josh Jacobs.

Oh, me too. probably at this point David Montgomery as well yeah I think I agree Riser Texans running back Damian Pierce who DK basically this was like one of your favorite players in the drafts. This was me he was on my sleepers list on the guide

okay yeah but DK got there first I was doing the real NFL draft Craig yeah for the real NFL draft Deka was like I said to me this guy I love this guy and like why wasn't he on your sleepers list early February I don't know I just want to talk about him Craig or Dika let's step up here

you got it man you got it man you got I already gave my pitch on him on The Sleepers episode, but he's the cheapest starting running back. You can get in the league by a wide margin. This guy's going well outside the top 100. And he has the worst competition in the league. He's going up against Marlon Mack, who's coming off of torn Achilles,

and Rex Burkhead, who's like 48 years old. He's really good, too. He can play in the passing game. He breaks tackles. He's very elusive. He's physical. He's tough. I think he was PFF's highest-graded running back

coming out of college. The only question is he didn't really get much volume in college. at Florida. And that was like a big question mark for him coming into the league because I think he had like just over a hundred carries is like his career high for any season. So, you know, can he handle the volume? Can he be that three down guy that, you know, you really want fantasy? That's a big question mark. But like talent wise to me, this is a no brainer. The only thing I worry about is like he's going to go in there and just not really know what he's supposed to be doing at times. And like they'll just go with the 32 year old Rex Burkhead because he's standing in the right

position. I think this is a triple digits pick. Yes. but by the end of the season, I think you could see Damien Pierce receiving 15 plus touches a game. Yes. Not week one, no. This is a guy that... It's a stash.

If you're spending more than $3 on him in a, in your, you know, with your budget and your draft or just taking him as anything other than like a random bench flyer, it's a mistake. But sure, I have no, for he's a bench flyer. But if he rises up more than that

because he like ostensibly wins the job, then I'm actually kind of going to be out because I don't know how much winning this job is worth. like congratulations you're like the lead of a time share for like potentially bottom two offense to the NFL with the bears and that usually is like fine yeah but he's free so who cares all right there are a couple other guys here that have been making a lot of training camp hype this segment is called who yeah just like it's just like the who is this and i mean i obviously do who all these people were

for like, you know, years. However, other people maybe have not heard of these people. So hypothetically, for the other people who have not heard, D.K., could you explain what's the Romeo Dubs out of Green Bay? So, Dobbs. Funny you mentioned that

because during the entire draft season, this is a fourth rounder out of Nevada, everyone was calling him, well, not everyone, but the people that had read, like, I think the release from the school that tells you how to pronounce names, it had been saying it Romeo dubs like a W. It's D-O-U-B-S is the spelling.

And it came out last week, I think, early last week. And he'd like basically sheepishly told the media that, hey, by the way, it's actually dobs, not dubs, even though everyone was calling him dubs. So it's Romeo Dobbs, which I'm probably not going to get right for the first like six months or whatever. But yeah, he is absolutely lighting it up at camp. to the point where the whole rookie not doing jack shit in the packers offense like that might

not be a thing this year because he's been so good it's like a chorus from every beat reporter every single day he's making like a big play and of course we've talked about this there's so much it's it's a wide open competition in green bay and this is the back-to-back MVP quarterback like alan we don't know really if he can like actually be a higher volume pass catcher sammy wakins come on you know, Randall Cobb is just a slot guy only, and this guy's, he lines up outside,

he wins down the field. And so he's not really even competing with Rayo Cobb. And then, you know, everybody else in this office, like, he could end up being the starter.

He could have volume this year. Like, I know, like, it's stupid to be like, hey, this fourth round guy could be a fantasy relevant player. But this fourth round guy

actually could be a relevant fantasy player. It's kind of crazy. Here's the thing. You said drumbeat, and again, it is one of those things every single day

he's had a great practice. And then on top, of it, Aaron Rogers, I'm going to read the quote. He said, Roger said, every single day there's been at least one wow play, and that's rare for a young guy like that. We've had some guys over the years do that, but they're all in the top 10 of Packers receiving history.

Good start for him, end quote. That's what Rogers said. And then the beat guys clarified, Rogers doesn't just hate praise on people. Like, Rogers doesn't just do that. Now, he said he's all about, Rogers is all about the self-love now, post-DMT. I was going to say, he's a different guy. Maybe he's different guy. But I did think

is interesting though, like he doesn't just like come in here and start comparing rookies to like Donald Driver and stuff. However, there's also the note, on one hand, I'm getting high on the optimism here and I'm like, wow, maybe this dude is going to be like the number one receiver for the Packers. Bill Barnwell, for me has been at a great note that he said 90, 90 wide receivers have been drafted in the fourth round. Yeah. Since 2000.

And not one has had a thousand yards in their rookie season, not a one. And only four of those 90 ever did it in their careers, which is actually. crazy to me. Four of their 90 receivers since 2000, ever hit a 1,000 yard season. Yeah, but how many of those receivers have had a quarterback that went on an ayahuasca Vision Quest and came out a better

man and loves himself now? One back-to-back MVPs? How do you say ayahuasca? I don't know, to be honest. It's Iowa-I-Bel I believe. Okay. Ayahuasca. Also, how many of those receivers hit 800 yards, you know? Maybe they all hit 800, and Barddwell just picked a great stat. Yeah, they're all hitting 9-99

every year. The Herman Cain it's like Mike Evans getting 1,0002 yards every single season. I do like those stats and it is like that makes me feel dumb for even like talking about this guy right now because it's probably not going to happen. But like this scenario is pretty unique honestly. They just trade away Devante Adams. It's a two-time defending MVP. The best quarterback in football is nobody to throw passes to. Yeah.

I mean, that's how you rationalize this. That's how you talk yourself into this kind of thing. It's like maybe this is just unique. You know, it's the Tobias Fungay thing like all these people. delude themselves into believing that they can fix it. But then actually, I think this guy might be it. And also, this is like Hyvitz's catchphrase, but he's free. He's your 16th pick.

He's a flyer. Yeah, at the end of the round. And that's what I like about it is that, look, obviously going against the odds. We just, again, if you included fifth and six routers, there actually is probably a way more success among these wonderful players, actually in a weird way, just cutting it off at the fourth, but not doing third, fourth, fifth, et cetera. There's more rookie success stories. But what I like about.

about him as a flyer, because let's be real, the last two people you put on your bench oftentimes are just fodder to get cut for like the week one or two. What I like about Romeo Dubs is if it works, it's worth it. Like sometimes my concern with like Damian Pierce for the Texans running back is like, you take Damien Pierce and he's there and he's fine and he gets you like 11 points every week. But then it's just like, oh, it's like fine. It's like you had this guy on your bench and then he's replaceable anyway. Romeo Dubs, if he actually is the number one who's for the Packers, it's like you've just, you won the lottery. And that's what I like about it.

There are certain archetypes of late round picks that you can make. Sometimes you need to, I think you need a little bit of both. You need a Damien Pierce type where it's nice to have guys who, when your starters are on by, you can plug him in and he'll get you 10 points. And then you also want to spend the high upside 10x guys like Romeo dubs, dobs. Dobbs. May very likely. Oh, it's Dobbs?

Dobbs. How did I already fuck that up? He could very well catch zero passes this season or have a thousand yards. So you need to do both at the end of your draft. Get you a man who can do both. They need to do a study about why the fourth round is just a fucking wasteland for receivers. What's going on with that? What is it about the fourth round?

That's when the Pats draft all the wide receivers are. Zero good receivers coming out of the fourth round. Well, I looked on the draft show how we basically discovered we had a theory in why the second round receivers were better. Right. But I just think it's so fascinating. because there's tons of third round receivers that have been well. Fifth round receivers are great.

Definitely digs is a fifth round round receiver. Tons of undrafted. Of course there's more numbers with that. But like, I don't know. I just think it's fascinating. It's also just random. It's usually the answer. Okay.

Chiefs running back, Isaiah Pacheco is just maybe the number two running back on the Chiefs. Who? After Clyde Edwards Hiller. Yes, I would like to reiterate the who. D.K., who is Isaiah Pacheco? Have you guys seen that Dwayne Wade video?

It's one of my favorite videos of all time. And maybe this can be the new name of this category. It's called Who That is. And this woman, a Miami politician, after the Heat won the 2006 finals and Wade won the finals MVP, the next season, she was like honoring him before a game. And she goes, and Dwayne Wade is sitting right behind her. I'll send you guys a YouTube link. She goes, his name, of course.

Wade Jones. And then Dwayne Wade sitting behind her and goes, who that is? I know you're going to do the stupid, like the way you said it before. was like the snoot dog you ever seen just that video was him going who but like over and over who it shows dwayne way look over his shoulder way that would that would be good okay so who that is dk who is is izate i mean seventh round pick out of rutgers the big here's the deal he's a way jones he runs four three this is all you need to know he runs a four three and he's getting an insane amount of hype out of uh chiefs training camp right now kevin

Clark is part of the hype industrial complex. Yeah. Seriously. Even so yeah, Clark, unsolicited people are coming up to Kevin Clark and telling him how much Isaiah Pacheco is awesome. Here's the deal. And here's why it's interesting. All the other running backs on that team fucking suck. So like this does matter, potentially. You know, in my prior life, I was a Ronald Jones defender. This guy sucky in gold bladder surgery last year. Well, actually, you know, I think you do a running back with gallbladder surgery. Here's the argument that I've been seeing out there that actually, like, I think makes the most sense is the Isaiah Pacheco hype is actually just good news for Clyde Edward Salare. Like, Clydebord Saler is going to be the starter and no one else is going to play because they're

all bad. Because Pacheco or Pacheco is going to be essentially like a flashing fan. This is just like one scenario. Of course, I don't know what's actually going to happen. But he'll just be a flash in the pan. He's fast, but he doesn't know how to like elude anybody or run into daylight or whatever. Ronald Jones is Ronald Jones We all know what he is Jericho McKinnon is 29, 30 years old now like he's not getting any younger

I think honestly No one's getting younger We're no one's never Younger than they used to be I don't honestly like When I watch Pacheco's Tape I wasn't super impressed I think there's a reason he win the seventh round

That's not to say that seventh rounders can't be good Maybe this is like the offense that opens up his skill set And I'll eat those words but yeah, I don't know. We've spent enough time. It's interesting that I think you're right. It's a good take, D.K., that this is probably less about a Zampachuk on more about Clyde Edwards-Halear.

I feel like if there's one running back sitting in the top 100 where we're like, oh, we got that wrong. He should have been higher. Clyde's the one that's just kind of obviously sitting there because not just, obviously, there's someone I sent his email this week that was really good, basically that there's an alternate reality where Clyde just scores on the first one of his goal-line touches in the first game of his career. And just as like a top three fantasy running back forever.

And instead he went 0 for six and just got pulled forever from the line. That'll keep you up at night, man. However, That stuff just messes with you. We're also sitting here and we're like, well, Travis Kelsey is the top receiver on the chiefs and the chief's got to check down more. Who's going to be this number two? Is it Juju?

Is it Mv-Hardman? We're like, well, maybe Frickin Clyde's going to catch more passes this year. And there's more like new offense where Patrick Grombs learns what a checkdown is. And we're all sitting here like maybe Aaron Jones will lead the, like the Packers in receiving. or at least catches, what if Clyde just catches way more balls this year? That was the whole reason they brought him in in the first place.

I don't know. I'm not saying I'm going to be out here targeting Clyde, but I think that that's the right way to frame this. It's less like, hey, you should keep Isaiah Pacheco on your bench. Probably not. Well, I mean, it's free. It's free, but even free at the expense of better people who are free. Isaiah Pacheco will still be free. I would disagree with that.

I think it's still worth taking a fly on it. If you're drafting today and you don't know any better, The 12-team league, would you have Isaiah Pacheco on your bench, I mean, over, like, other actual people who are being drafted? Right now, yeah. I think so. This offense, with so many, like, targets up for grabs. But he's fighting for the number two job. He didn't even have it.

Well, yeah, that's what I'm saying right now. We don't know what's going to happen in the future. He's right now, he's the number two. Like, this is the resounding, everyone is saying this. All to be reporters are saying, he's like even running with the ones sometimes. Craig just looks so goddamn bored. We do this every year. Who cares?

Yeah, what happened to Darwin Thompson? Wasn't that a thing a couple years ago? Yeah. He was also a sixth round pick. Yeah. I can't believe we do this every year. This is, I blame James Robinson. This is all James Robinson's fault.

Isaiah Pacheco's not going to touch the football this season, folks. Is he going to make the team, Craig? Who knows? Maybe. Maybe he's the fourth string running back. Isaiah Bichago's not going to be taking snaps with Patrick Mahomes in the fourth quarter of a football game. I don't care how fast he is.

Draft Clyde. Draft Clyde. That's the lesson. I still probably wouldn't because I'm a little bitch, but I'll feel dumb about not drafting Clyde later, but I'm not telling anyone to do it and I'm not going to do it. DK, any other training camp hype? I mean, there's a lot, but check out the ringer.com where I'll have a column of the training camp hype all stars up on Tuesday.

It's nice. All right. All right. But also you could tell us right now. No. Hyphitz, I'm tired of telling you about guys I'm excited about. You just get mad at me. So go read about it.

I was agreeing with you just now. Not right this minute. I mean, before earlier, about, you know, like Wondell Robinson, for instance. Hyvitz hates when good players with actual draft capital have a great training camp. He for some reason doesn't like that. He's like, Piggins, I'm out. And we're like, oh. I have like, no, the Piggins thing's adjoining me because I, I, I, I, George Pickens was like one of my favorite

receivers to Washington college, but he just kept getting hurt. All right. Well. Wait, what? So why do you like him? I'm confused. I thought there was more of that story. I don't like good players being good, but I like bad players being good.

Is that what you're saying? Well, yeah, like, D.K. always, like, hipes up these, like, like, Wondale Robinson types and George Pickens types. Guys are the actual draft capital and, like, high-end college production, but you're out on that. He scoffs at it. We get into Romeo Dobbs, and you're like, well, I don't know. Well, I did say it's never happened.

He's never. Sky Moore. yard. That's actually a chief of, I'm upset with because he's not, Sky Moore keeps getting hurt and he hasn't played yet. No, he's back, I think. He had a little knee injury,

I believe, or something like that. Yeah, sir, he just all the OTAs and this is the beginning of camp. And I just was like, oh. Well, he's back. And he's been, like, playing well and running all over the field. They've been giving him, like,

handoffs out of the backfield, your favorite preseason storyline. You're right, this doesn't make my fucking blood boil. I told you. I just hate this. This is why I don't want to talk to you about it. Go read about it on the ringer. Craig, I'll talk to you about it later.

You know, a little sidebar. We can publish that if you aren't. I just don't want to talk to Haifitz about it. I, you know what? Tell Craig and I'll keep my mouth shut. Yeah, give us one person from your hype in death. This is for you and you only. Hyvitz is on timeout.

We've been putting Calvin on timeout lately. It's an effective strategy. Have we talked about Isaiah McKenzie from the bills? No. This guy. slot receiver for the bills. We've talked about him twice. Hyvitt.

All right, I'll shut off. Isis. You're in time out, man. Danny? Skymore. I can already see what it must have been like to be like your math teacher in fifth grade chiming him when you shouldn't be. The other guy's on my list.

Skymore, who I'm actually legitimately excited about because the guys in front of him, I just don't believe in him, frankly. Michael Hardman, Juju, sorry, just don't.

Who's the other guy? Oh, yeah. Marcus Lus Cantling, who has four adds name ready. That's how much I believe in him. Bricks for hands. Elijah Moore, balling out.

at Jets camp. Did you know that from, hold on, I'm pulling up, from week seven through week 12, Elijah Moore, so that's a six week period, and then he got hurt and his season was over. He was the wide receiver three in fantasy in half BBR. Three. He actually did deliver.

He's one of the few rookie wide receivers who actually felt so hyped up in the off season and it was kind of unwarranted. It wasn't like a Jim Marche's situation. And he actually paid off and kind of like validated all of the the Danny Kelly's out there. Hyfe, it's your off time out. What's up, man?

I think Craig's dead on actually. Elijah Moore is a good example of like the upside of his training camp pipe. But the irony was he was terrible before and he kind of kept getting hurt and he actually was not good. Here's the irony. And then he was amazing. He was bad when Zach Wilson was quarterback. Yeah. That's a good, better way to put it. There's a lot of numbers out there about Zach, every time Zach Wilson threw to Elijah Moore, it just like didn't work. It was like,

As soon as the worst part, it wasn't just like he had a better connection with the other quarterback because they were literally any other quarterback. They had Joe Flacco. They had Mike White. Josh Johnson signed up, what was that? Like not even measured in weeks, days notice. And he was better with Josh Johnson and Zach Wilson. Yeah.

It's rough. This year's going to be different, maybe. I don't know. I just think that Elijah Moore is super good. And that's the main thing that you should take away from that. A lot of receivers on the Jets, though. I don't know. Yeah.

But, I mean, I mean, like, Corey Davis is Corey Davis. I think he's like a role player. They got Garrett Wilson, who is a rookie who has not played a game yet. I think he's going to be good. So when D.K says it, it's fine. But when I say that, it's terrible. Say what?

Garrett Wilson, he's the first receiver taken in the draft. He's a top 10 pick. And you're like, oh, he doesn't played yet. When I say that, I'm like a good moochie. I like him. Who else does I got? Denzel mims. Blade signed Tyroconclin.

He said that straight face. Craig texted our group chat the other day. I was like, what is it going to have to take for Denzel Mims to get snaps? And I just said, he has to get cut and then sign with another team. I will go to my grave thinking that Denzel Mims is good and is a startable level talent. Yeah, it'll be an early grave. He had bad salmon. How are you forgetting this every once?

Yeah, he lost like 20 pounds. Solis said that he's like done everything he's needed to. He's super impressed in his offseason. And he's like an incredible shape. He's like studied. What does he need to do? He's good. He's good.

He's obviously not because he, can't even play for the Jets. When Zach Wilson throws to him, does it work? It probably does. Denzel, I just, you know what? I hated that freaking Mims song when it came out and we were kids, Craig. And that this is why I'm hot. I hated that song and I hated Mims and I hate Denzel Mims.

God. He's the dumbest song. I hated that song. Anyway, okay. Any other hype players or you want to get to emails? Let's get to emails. All right. Wait, before we get to emails, I'd like to share.

I sent out, I inquired about drinking games last week for my birthday. I played a few of them this weekend. I read through as many emails as I could. I tried to respond to some. So thank you everybody for sending those out. I want to shout out four names. I played two games this weekend. Pizza Box and Full House.

And Pizza Box, three people emailed us about Pizza Box. Aaron Jensen, Anthony Clark, and Kyle Matthews. Thank you very much. We enjoyed Pizza Box. We realized about halfway through. this is for like four people listening right now that the the circles we made were too small

they need to be a bit bigger it took forever to fill the board you're not going to explain what pizza box is to the one or the ones probably faster just to Google it just Google it and then Andrew

we played Full House and it was really fun Full House is like a combination of beer pong and flip cup mixed into one so kind of more people can be involved in a beer pong game and it was very fun

so thank you to you all shout out yeah a lot of people with the drink games yeah thank you for everyone studying those in. Yeah. We have a fantasy court too. We should really pull out all the stops and have a drinking game draft guide. Or a drinking game draft guide or just drinking game court.

Oh. People can't resolve the drinking games. Is that a thing that happens? We only do with drunk people. A lot of the testimonies are, you know, unreliable. The same time. All right, that was amazing. Yeah, okay.

We'll get on the drinking game, the drinking game draft guide. Okay. Fantasy court. All right. This person's who wrote Drew Papa, he wrote greetings Papa. I love that. Why did he say, why did he call us Papa's? Henceforth, we will only be described as

papas in emails. We will not read your email unless you call us Papa's. No, we will definitely read your, don't call us. I do more emails than Craig, and I will definitely respond if you don't. Don't call us Papa's actually. Maybe I won't respond if you do. Now, now no one knows what to do.

Thanks, Craig. Okay, I'm going to read the email. This issue came up in our league last year and caused some division amongst our league mates. The situation, our league switched from snake to auction last year. And after the draft took place, we were going over other areas to improve the league. And we thought one way to do that would be switching to the free agent auction budget, which sidebar is something DK Craig and I all recommend. It's like instead of waivers, which are dumb, everyone gets a budget and you can just,

you know, if you want a player, you pay for it. Back to the email. It seemed like everyone was on board with the free agent auction budget until one of our league mates put his foot down and said there was no way. we could make the switch because we had already drafted, claiming that he would have drafted completely differently had he known we were doing fab. Flummoxed, we were. Good word.

Great sentence. Flummoxed, we were. We asked him to provide a single example of how this could have changed how we drafted. And he responded by accusing us trying to steal his draft strategy. Well played. Well played by this guy.

That sandbagging son of a bitch. To this day, he has yet to provide an example of how he would have drafted differently. So is there any merit to what he's saying or any plausible scenarios where someone's draft strategy would be thrown out of whack by switching to the auction budget for free? Nothing that matters. Let's put it that way. My biggest problem with this is, first of all, yeah, this guy's Machiavellian, so good on him. But Drew, who sent this email, you should not need to require a unanimous vote to make a rule change.

Who cares if this guy put his foot down? Make the change. nine out of ten is like Yeah You need unanimous vote to make a rule change During the season Like if everyone's like agreed to rules And that it's week six

And you want to change the rules You know That probably needs to be unanimous Otherwise get nine out of ten This is democracy It's the best you're gonna get Exactly Like maybe require like some sort of super majority

Maybe you know Six out of ten's not enough But if you're in the seven eight range This guy can kick rocks Yeah I was gonna say Like filibusters are on their way out Like, one cannot filibuster the other night. This is ludicrous.

I'm just like the whole time I'm listening to this, I hate people like this in leagues, man. Like, just fuck, it's fantasy full. It's soccer. It's soccer. It's soccer. Honestly, you know what I'm wondering? It's soccer.

It's soccer. We're down by two points. Like, just go with the flow. Who gives a shit? I mean, unless there's like a thousand dollars riding on this league, like, shut up. That's what I was thinking. Oh, God.

You think this is Tommy fam? Probably. Tommy fam is like, guys, I want to draft it differently. I'd love to talk to him. Like, why is he so upset about this? This free agent oxygen oxygen? I wonder if he like auto-picked the end of his draft and then he didn't like the players,

but now he just can't just go add whoever he wants and he's mad about it. I guess. He just doesn't know how the rule works and is like, you know, a little self-conscious about it. No, so Drew, our vote is, you know, pass the vote through. It's fine.

Yeah, definitely. All right. Democracy. That's all we got. Fantasyfool.com. Check out our fantasy football rankings. Fantasyfurtle.com. They're excellent. Well, the rankings, who knows?

But the guy, the layout, unbelievable. The rankings, we'll see. Okay. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig. Thank you to Drew for calling us Papa. Thank you sincerely to everyone who said in drinking games. Emails at ringer fantasy football at gbill.com.

If you have, I don't know, fantasy football questions, drinking game questions. arguing to your friends about either, I guess actual fantasy questions. Thank you to everyone who sent those in. Thank you, Lauren. Lauren. Thank you.

Pink Floyd. Said that weird. Pink Floyd. I blew it. I blew it. It's Saturday night live, D.K. You can't blow it. Pink Floyd's great, though.

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