The Ringer NFL Show - Trust or Bust: The Best Players on New Teams, David Vs. Goliath, and the Golden Receiver

Episode Date: July 8, 2025

LIVE SHOW in New York City on August 19. Tickets go live 10 a.m. ET on Wednesday, July 9. Click here for tickets! Subscribe to our new YouTube channel! The guys talk through the most important players that switched teams, discuss their new expectations for fantasy and IRL, and identify who should be trusted and who should be, uh, busted. Then, emails and trip recaps from Craig and DK! (00:00) Intro (8:23) Trade news (18:09) Aaron Rodgers and DK Metcalf, Pittsburgh Steelers (26:44) George Pickens and Javonte Williams, Dallas Cowboys (31:58) Davante Adams, Los Angeles Rams (38:01) Sam Darnold and Cooper Kupp, Seattle Seahawks (43:24) Geno Smith, Las Vegas Raiders (46:53) Justin Fields, New York Jets (53:33) Daniel Jones, Indianapolis Colts (59:54) Deebo Samuel, Washington Commanders (01:13:21) Stefon Diggs, New England Patriots (01:15:30) Russell Wilson and Jameis Winston, New York Giants (01:22:46) Najee Harris, Los Angeles Chargers (01:25:04) Emails! (01:30:13) Craig’s Italy trip (01:40:49) DK’s Alaska trip Check out our 2025 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Kai Grady and Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Follow the town on Spotify or wherever you get your podcast. Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Hyfordson. I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Horlebeck. And here is a list of things that have happened since we last recorded an episode. The Florida Panthers won the Stanley Cup. The Oklahoma City Thunder won the NBA finals. Tyrese Halliburton tore his Achilles probably because we juiced him.

Our bad there. That was probably our fault. There was a seven-team trade in the NBA. The Los Angeles Lakers were sold for allegedly $10 billion. Anna Wintour stepped down at Vogue. LeBron James started playing golf. Taylor Swift went to Tideon University and sang with George Kittle in a Nashville bar. Pablo Tori and Mike Florio did an episode saying the NFL colluded to reduce guarantees in NFL contracts.

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Joe Burrow could not throw a baseball. Oh, are we doing this again? Alvin Kamera couldn't throw a baseball. Alvin Kamara, the first pitch, bounced it, and then asked for the ball back and got it, which is actually kind of a power move. Craig went to Italy. Found out this week they're re-releasing backyard baseball 2001 this week.

Didn't know that out. But most importantly, of all those things, the biggest thing that happened since we last recorded is we have a YouTube channel. Yeah. That's straight. It is at Ringer FFS.S. Had to make sure I got that right.

But you can just search the Ringer Fantasy Football Show on YouTube. It'll pop up. Link in the bio. Link in the description of this episode. Yeah, we finally have our own home to post all our little videos. And we'll be coming at you twice a week, starting next week. We'll be with you all way through the season. All that fun stuff.

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So, T-shirts, what are we going to do? We didn't confirm this. Should we just say it on the show? I don't think we've actually talked about this with DK. You and I just, all right, we're just going to say it. Yeah, yeah. A lot of people wanted the old intro music back because we used to have a longer intro. I'll spare everyone why the mechanisms of why it changed.

I will just leave it at this. If we hit, what number we can say, Craig? 10,000. 10K. 10K. If we hit 10,000. subscribers to the YouTube channel, we will bring the old full intro music back. Tell your friends. Tell your family. It's imperative.

And which again, go subscribe. We didn't get rid of that because we didn't like it. It's kind of a tech reason that again, like I haven said, it's too boring to get into, but we are willing to figure that out. We're going to figure it out if we get to 10,000 subscribers. So go subscribe if you want the old intro music back. Go to the YouTube. Hit subscribe. Also, if you subscribe, D.K. will Venmo you $1. Yes, that's also a fact. And if you said it out loud, so that's legally binded to DK. Okay, so the other thing I want to let people know is we are going to do a live show in New York City. We've never done a live show in New York. Actually, Danny Kelly's never been to New York, which is incredible.

I'm going to be like Borat in New York. I'm just going to be looking at everything with a wild eye. You're going to wake up at like 5 a.m. in some Brooklyn bar with your pants off. No idea what happened. I'm very excited about it. That's going to be incredible. So this is our first live show in New York City and we'll be at the Gramercy Theater in Manhattan. The live shows on Tuesday, August 19th.

say that one more time. Tuesday, August 19th is the day the show. But frankly, more importantly, tickets go on sale this Wednesday. So this Wednesday, Wednesday, July 9th at 10 a.m. Eastern time. You hear that, D.K., 10 a.m. Eastern time. 10 a.m. for the West Coast? Who's up? Who's up at 7 a.m. On the West Coast? Are you flying from the West Coast to East Coast? If you are maybe, yeah, you know, it's 10 a.m. Eastern time. This Wednesday, July 9th, 10 a.m. Eastern tickets are going to be live at the ringer.com slash events, but Craig hates URL. So the ringer.com slash events is Kai is going to toss that in the episode description. Another link in the episode description.

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as close to 10 a.m. as you possibly can. So, yeah, that'll be really fun. And that'll be cool. And yeah, it'll be great to, we're going to put DECA

in front of the Sparrow, like Michael Scott in the office. What a great New York pizza. Yeah. I feel like we do what we only have like probably one to, we only have time for probably one to two touristy things. Going to the place with the greatest cup of coffee. I'm definitely going to do it.

You did it. That is actually a good list of, New Yorker saying what are the touristy things worth doing? My gut is, I think McSorily is worth it. I love that bar, but there's a thousand things to do in New York City, literally. So I don't know. Well, email is, yeah, email us of New Yorker. Like Statue of Liberty.

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Today, what we're going to do in the show today is we're going to go throw the players on new teams. because frankly, I think, like, this is really the beginning of us prepping for the season because it's July 7th, we're recording this. Dude, the Chargers just show up to training camp like next week. Like, like the NFL teams are reporting to camp in two weeks. The Chargers are in the Hall of Fame games. At the end of the next week, they're just in camp, which is crazy.

And I think at the beginning of the prep, you have to start at the beginning. And I don't know about you guys, but every single time I watch any sport, the beginning of the year, my first reaction is always, that guy's on this team. Like Debo Samuels on Washington? This episode is like the episode for you having a conversation with your dad getting ready for the NFL season. It's like Debo Samuels where? That's what this episode is.

Dude, Drew Holidays on the trailblazers. Darren Waller? The NFL? Yeah. Darren Waller is a rapper? Yeah. We should make that. Speaking of recent news events, Craig.

Jeff Epstein, the New York financier? Him? Jeff Epstein? So, okay. Do you want to start with Waller? You said Jeff Epstein, my mind went blank. What were we doing next? I don't know.

Oh, yeah, so. Also, I've never heard somebody call him Jeff. Jeff, like you thought of. I think that's how close for you. That's how the joke went. Oh, my God. So anyway, we're going to go through all the players on new teams and which ones we think have a big impact and which ones we think matter or not.

And this was inspired by the other thing that happened while we're gone, which is a trade, which was a funny. trade between the Steelers and Dolphins that broke pretty hilariously because Jalen Ramsey just posted or whatever that he was going to be on the Steelers. And then Carlos is telling us, Carlos is not on the show today. But Carlos is saying that his group chat blew up because his Steelers' friends were like, wow, Minka Fitzpatrick, Jalen Ramsey, what a secondary. And the 30 minutes later turned out Minka Fitzpatrick was in the trade, going to Miami.

So the trade ultimately ended up being the Steelers got Jalen Ramsey from Miami. They got Johnny Smith, the tight end, and they got a seventh rounder two years away. And the Dolphins got Minka Fitzpatrick at safety and a fifth round or two years away. So it's like a fifth, seventh round swap. Who cares? So Jalen Ramsey, Jono Smith for Mika Fitzpatrick, basically. Craig, Steelers fan. I'm sure you have a more nuanced take, cope, whatever now.

But what was your first reaction when you saw all this trade? I was like, the Steelers are doing so much work to be kind of the exact same level of good. Right. I'm like, man, maybe the win total was like nine. And now after all this entire off season, now it's like nine and a half. which I guess is okay. I was a little surprised to see Minka Fitzpatrick go. I think all things considered he was the beloved Steeler inside the locker room.

He's obviously a great player, not a headache of a player. Jalen Ramsey kind of adding him to the mix with D.K. Metcalfe, who I don't know if anybody knows this, they're not huge fans of one another. I was a little surprised by that. And then the John Hussmith thing. I think the sweetener of John Hussmith and Jalen Ramsey for Minkafet Patrick, I think ultimately is a win for the Steelers. now, Jonu Smith and Arthur Smith are back together once again.

Long-lossed lovers, the two of them, this is their third team now. They'll be on together. Rekindling. I don't know. Doesn't it kind of feel like when you look at the Steelers roster right now versus like 12 months ago? You're like, I guess it's better a little bit? But man, they did a lot of work to be a little bit better. So Jackie's family is, you know, she's for Pittsburgh, all Steelers fans.

Her brother sent me a meme of 2024 Steelers and they just like stepped on a rake and it hit them in the face. And then he sent me in the next panel. was like them doing all these skateboard tricks and like a 360, 720 a round of railing, and then they get to the bottom of the staircase, and then the rate just hits him in the face, and it's nine and eight again. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And I just think that that's a, like, to your point, I think it's all the same. The defensive part I want to come back to in a second, but D.K., what do you make of

Jono Smith and Arthur Smith on the Steelers? What do you think of the offensive part of the Steelers adding Johnny Smith? That's a great question. Obviously, he does make them better, I think, offensively. Like he's a dynamic player run after the catch. He can be utilized in the screen game. Obviously, I think Arthur Smith knows how to use him well. And there's already talked that he's going to be a fullback, a receiver, a tight end, a slot.

Like basically use him all over the formation. A movable chess piece, if you will. A joker. Yeah, a joker in that offense. For those who didn't hear that episode, actually the funniest thing, maybe Dickie said all year was when Riley McAtee gave you the note that all chess pieces moved. Yeah. I was like, well, shit. I've been saying this for about four years now.

But yeah, I think, you know, obviously from the Dolphins point of view, they didn't want to pay Johnny Smith because he's 29. He was asking for a big contract. He was sitting out off-season workouts looking for a new deal. And clearly he had outplayed his contract last year. If you look at some of the numbers, he has on a two-year contract with the Dolphins before this. 8 million over two years with basically 4 million guaranteed. No guaranteed money left in his contract this year.

So I don't actually blame Johnny Smith for, like, wanting to hold out, get a new deal. looking at what he did the last year. Fourth in the NFL in targets, catches and yards, second in touchdowns with eight. So, you know. Yeah, the most yards any tight end has had in Dolphins history and he was getting paid. Was he even the top 30 in money and 10? Yeah. He was 23rd and guaranteed money going into the season and 32nd in average among tight ends, which.

And he's 2930. So it's like, this is probably his last time to get paid. So he didn't. Frankly, Jalen Ramsey's the same situation was he wanted to get paid too because it's probably his last big deal. So like if you're wondering what the hell of the Dolphins doing, I think that's kind of the answer is just like they didn't want to pay 29 your own tight end um big money and johnny smith clearly wanted that money it makes sense to have smith go and be sort of like the

number two number three option in the steelers offense now so krague from your point of view what does this do for friar muth is like friar muth non usable and fantasy now probably um i just i'll be curious to see kind of like how the target uh how the target rate gets kind of yeah i mean i would say this hurts his fantasy value this is a good real football move bad fantasy move for Pat Friarmouth. I mean, the Steelers now have three usable tight ends, which is, that's where the NFL is going. It's like using tight ends to kind of

disguise whether you're running or passing, having guys who can both block and run routes, having Darnel, Washington, Johnny Smith and Pat Friarmooth, I think is like a good thing for the Steelers in this offense and for what Arthur Smith wants to do. But yeah, it definitely hurts Friermuth. So the other thing I meant to mention

here is the Steelers gave him a one-year $12 million dollar extension, according to Adam Schaefter. So he got a big raise. going on this trade as well. The Steelers are still lining everything up for the 2026 draft. They brought Darius Slay in on a one-year deal. I don't think they wanted to give Mika Fitzpatrick another huge deal. They didn't want to resign pick-ins, right? They didn't want to resign pick-but, I mean, they still pay that money to D.K. Metcalfe. But I think the Steelers are obviously with Aaron Rogers probably retiring after this year.

You have Slay, you have Johnny Smith. I do think, and the Steelers also in this trade for Jalen did not give up anything from 2026. Those are 2027 picks that were exchanged. so the Steelers are still lining up to kind of go for it in the 26th draft. I think it's getting a little overblown, to be honest, about like, the Steelers are going to get their quarterback in 26. It's like, relax. They have one first round pick and one second round pick. Yeah, who's been saying that?

Who has been going around saying the Steelers get a quarterback next to. I can't think of anyone. That is the narrative they're trying to get out there, but it's like they mainly have a bunch of third and fourths, and it's like, okay, it takes a lot to get up into the top 10. And if the Steelers are at all decent this year, they're not going to have a top 10 pick. I can wait for Carlos to add this to the list of things where you're just like the five stages of years.

He's like, we're getting a quarterback next year. And then he's like, I don't know who's saying we'll get a quarterback next to. Well, look, I think we're probably going to get like the fourth or fifth best quarterback in the class unless they really make a Godfather offer that I guess they could do. I'm curious about what you guys think about the Minka for Jalen thing. And I don't think they have liked the way Minka has fit in the defense in the last few years. Minka has one interception over the last two seasons. And do you guys think, because there are talks about Jalen playing safety versus corner

and how that's going to work. Jalen's 30 years old now. I'm curious what you guys think about the defensive move there. So the irony is that this happened six years ago when the Steelers traded for Minka Fitzpatrick from Miami, which is who drafted Minka out of Alabama. And so at the time, Minka Fitzpatrick was a cornerback and the Steelers made him a safety.

And the Steeleer, Micka Fitzpatrick made three first TMO pros as a safety, including that I blink that season. So in a way, the Steelers getting Jailen Ramsey is like, is he going to be a quarterback? Is he going to play the Minka role, all this stuff? But in terms of why did they do that? Minkka's two years younger than Jalen Ramsey. I think it's really simple.

I think they got sick of him. I think that Minkin Fitzpatrick, I would quibble with what you said in the beginning where Jailen Ramsey's locker room issue, but Mink Fitzpatrick's beloved. I'm like, I don't think so anymore. I think that he wore thin. Now, obviously, Steelers had a bunch of defensive issues at the end of last season. I think he was liked amongst his teammates less than he was, his coaches, I think.

Well, so I'm just going to read you a bunch of quotes from the Steelers at the end of the season. I'll read you, too. Remember the Steelers, again, among other things that they start when, what did the Steelers finish down the stretch? I won six and they gave up 500 rushing yards to the Ravens in the last two games. So Deshawn Elliott, who is the safety in the Steelers last year at the end of December, said, first off, guys can't be fucking wide open. That's the first thing. Do your job. I feel like we communicated.

Guys just weren't doing their freaking job. Get back to the drawing bird. It's week 18. We shouldn't be having these problems in week 18. It's a week two problem. Then Cam Hayward, same day said, when 10 guys do their job and one guy. guy doesn't, we're screwed. Now, nobody named the guy is Minka Fitzpatrick. However, the guy was Minka Fitzpatrick. Like, like, you talk about the defensive breakdowns on the

Steelers defense at the end of the year. There were multiple, there were a lot of things. They couldn't stop the run. I would say that there's, frankly, Tomlin's scheme, I think, is a little behind the curve. Yeah. You know, you could talk about them being super predictable, right? Yeah, they're predictable. They're a predictable team. However, Minka Fitzpatricker, was also not executing, which is bad when he's your safety. So I think that it just, it just needed, everyone needed to change a scenery involved in this deal. Johnny Smith has breaking dolphins tight end records and is like outside the top 30 money.

Jalen Ramsey still thinks of himself as frankly the best defensive player in football. Doesn't want, no one's going to pay him. And Mika Fitzpatrick, everyone in the Steelers is like pissed at him. And it's like, you know what? This kind of in a way satisfies everyone's short term needs where the Steelers are like, well, maybe Jailen Ramsey could be a better version of Mika. better than he was last year. Jono Smith makes us multiple at tight end.

And like he's allowed, John who allows the Steelers to play in 12 and 30, like two or three tight ends on the field in a way that we actually have more receiving juice, not less with the tight ends. And then Minka, Miami probably gets a new start. I think the Dolphins say the defensive coordinator, Anthony Weaver, who is in Baltimore. Mika Fitzpatrick, maybe he could play safety,

something closer like what Weaver had, Kyle Hamilton, and Baltimore. I think everyone gets their short term back scratched. But I still think everyone's going to have chicken pox at the end of this. You know what I mean? Like, I don't think there's any long-term solutions here. Like, I think the Steelers are, I think both these teams are going to go nine and eight miss the playoffs. Yeah, it's like this is I literally think everything the Steelers have done is the difference between them going nine and eight versus 10 and seven. And maybe now I'm leaning towards

10 and seven. Yeah. You could argue that's a lot in the NFL, Craig. True. It could be the difference between the playoffs and not. And that's the thing. I mean, and again, what we're doing, we're going to go through the rest of all these players and new teams, but we might as well just start with the Steelers and fold this into one conversation where the Steelers added Aaron Rogers and D.K. Metcalf. It's fun just to be in the mix, I got to say. The Steelers are always so boring. Like, all of this work just to basically have the same team skill-wise, at the very least, has been entertaining, and I'm enjoying being the talk of the off-season. We won the off-season.

But don't you feel like this is a return to like five years ago when Rothesberger couldn't move but had to throw all the time, and Levy on Bell and Antonio Brown were like doing crazy shit, and it's like, you're back. Are you saying complimentary? We're back. or derogatory, we're back. Derogatory. Okay. Yeah, that's fair.

That's fair, I would say. I think the talent level is better now than it was five years ago, I think, on this team. I mean, I guess that just depends when Antonio Brown went off the deep end. But either way, I guess I just look at it this way. I think the Steelers, I'll put a dollar in the Warriors jar, but the Steelers have two timelines where you have, they're acting like Cam Hayes. I mean, it's just a weird team. Aaron Rogers is the oldest quarterback in the NFL. 42?

By a few years. 41. 41. Going on 42. But Flacco is second. He's like 38. And then so you have... Cam Hayward.

Cam Hayward's like the third oldest defensive lineman in the NFL. He's got a podcast. That's true. Yeah. T.J. Watts 30, about to be 31 and he wants a new deal. And they're saying, oh, maybe they'll trade him. But then you have Darius Slay is going to be your starting out to the quarterback. Darius Slay is the second oldest quarterback in the NFL.

He's 34. He's 34. He's 34. Which is like 98 in cornerback years. No, I looked it up because I was trying to fit because I was like, how old is that? Last season, if you count what guys who turned 30 by week one, there were seven in the entire NFL last year that played like 300 snaps. 30? Seven guys?

Seven guys. That's not even like a high bar. Seven guys. I'm cheating because like Jalen Ramsey turned 30 like in October so he doesn't count, but that's the deadline just week one. But seven guys were 30 or older on week one of last year at cornerback that played like actual standards. And there's like 90 to 100 that play like significant snaps. Yeah. Darius Slay is 34.

Yep. So anyway, you have these crazy old guys on the Steelers like Darius Slay and Cam Hayward and Rogers. Robert Woods is the six oldest receiver in the NFL. He's going to start for you. And then the flip side is all these young guys who haven't played yet. You have Zach Frazier from last year's draft class was incredible. All your other rookies got no playing time.

Like Troy Fauton, who barely played from injury. Roman Wilson barely played from injury. They're guys who fell in the draft because injuries. Like, I just, it's a strange thing going on in Pittsburgh. And I, it's almost weird because they're at. acting like they have to get Hayward and what a ring, but frankly, I just think that there's something that smells like desperation with all of these moves. Well, you know what happened when the Warriors went to timelines.

They won a ring. I said this in the group chat. What the Steelers is doing this offseason reminds me a little bit of what we saw the Buccaneers do last year, which was everyone was like they need to blow it up and get on with like the rebuild and stop pretending like they're good. and, you know, just kind of like accept reality and whatever and move on. Because they were like resigning all these old veterans. Like they extended, I think they extended Mike Evans. There was all this stuff.

And then ultimately they ended up being pretty good. Like, you know, they won the division. They won 10 games. They're an exciting team to watch. Maybe that's, maybe this is like what the Steelers can become. And the Bucks did it again. They literally brought back all 11 starters again this year. But like I remember making fun of the Buccaneers last off season.

It was like, what are they doing? They don't know what they are, you know what I mean? I still think so. It's like the Steelers have to be doing this. I mean, I guess they could have just started the season with Mason Rudolph, fully tanked, traded T.J. Watt. I guess they could have done that. I think everybody would have been pissed in Pittsburgh if they did that. I think this one year experiment with Rogers where maybe it'll work out, I mean, it's obviously very slim chance.

But like, they are putting things in place to go forth this year. And if it doesn't work, you can kind of reset next year. I still think they're doing. a decent job at that, I would say. At least on paper. I can't wait for Carlos to clip another video. I'm talking speculatively about what they are doing in the front office offseason wise,

and I think it's fine. Yeah. I mean, ultimately just it's... Again, what should they have done? What are we going to say? If they're three and five, are we going to be like, the Steelers should have just started Mason Rudolph

and traded TJ Watt? Is that what we're going to say? NFL teams just don't do that, really. Hyvitz, is that what you think they should have done? No, they shouldn't do. you don't trade TJ. The point of money in football is not to trade DJW. Yeah.

No. No, it makes sense, but it's CMXQ and also, I frankly, I just want Tomlin to come in. Like, I would love Jalen Ramsey to be used in a more interesting way.

Like, I just hope the Steelers kind of like a dab with the drug on defense. Dolphins, I think we mostly hit it. I will just say that Storm Duck is slated to no start a cornerback of the dolphins probably this season. Storm is coming. I was to think about Craig going.

What if your daughter came home from where did he go again? Oregon? I forget. Oregon because of Duck. It was not Oregon. It was some other. It was like an East Coast team, whatever. Oh, yeah.

Wait. He went to North Carolina or South Carolina. What was it? Louisville in North Carolina. Oh, man. That's way off. Craig, Craig was like, what if you imagine if your daughter goes off to college.

Dad, I met this great guy. Comes home. He's so funny, sweet, treats me well. Oh, yeah. What's his name? Storm Duck. I'd be like, nope. Better than the last one, Booby Feaster.

Boobie Feaster, man, that guy has a lot of options for his super, for his touchdown dance. Hold on, hold on. I actually made, I made something for you guys because of Booby Feaster. This is two active college football players and a lie. Inspired by Boobo Feaster. These parents are just trolling people at this point. They know. Wait, I'm going to read you three names, one of them I made up.

Okay. Rutgers has a left tackle named Terence Salis. Lami. Okay. Boston College has a running back named Turbo Richard. Turbo Dick. Illinois has a wide receiver named Hans Mann, but it's Hans, like German, so it's Hans Man, like M-A-N-N-Hansman. Did Germans say it Hans?

Well, no, I'm saying, no, it's Hans. You say we say hands. Yeah, but you said his receiver named Hansman. Couldn't have made that up. I don't think. I'm going to say the second one is fake. If I have to take, I guess I got to say the second one. They're all real.

No, I made up Hansman. Oh, wow. Good creativity. All right, anyway, yeah, shout out to Booby Feaster. Shout out, Booby Feaster. What will he do when he scores a touchdown? The world will be watching. Yeah.

Okay. Let's get to all the other players and new teams again. Just basically just recapping what the hell happened to the all season because it's just hard to keep track of sometimes because it was just July 4th. So I'm going to go through these. And how are we doing this? I think we're just doing, you want to call it just trust or bust, right?

It's like gun to your head. It's July. Like, do you actually think this is going to work or not? Right. To get situations. I always, yeah, I always like saying bust for when it's not going to work out,

unlike you guys who get really uptight about it. You do love saying bust. Yeah, you do. They're going to bust. No, that's not. That doesn't, you can't do that. Just like instinctively react to that. Anyway, let's do it.

Let's play trust or bust. Rogers, we mentioned we just talked to everything of the Steelers, but I guess just real life fantasy wise, do we think Rogers and D.K. McHaff works in Pittsburgh. No. It feels like they're opposites, but maybe. I don't know.

I think no. Also, I'm going to say bust. Rogers needs like a Devante Adams. It's like technician and they have this like back shoulder connection. And it feels like D.K. Metcalf is like a little bit looser, kind of figures it out, runs deep. Yeah. And I don't know how that's going to work with Rogers, but we'll see. They're going to have enough good vibes and enough moments that we will talk ourselves and do it in flashes, but they're going to, and they'll like become

bros and they're not going to like each other by the end of it. Well, it's only one year. All we need them get along for one year. So, all right, so we don't think it's going to work. Great. Great. Then, so, then going to Dallas there because the Steelers traded for D.K. McHath, but then they flipped George Pickens to Dallas. A few days after the draft, actually. So the Dallas is George Pickens at receiver and Giovante Williams at running back. D.K., you're more of a unbiased party here. Do you think George Pickens and Dallas is going to work?

I'm fairly confident that it's going to work. I think, obviously, the question mark is whether he's going to be mature enough to make it work or if he's just going to self-destruct, which is certainly possible. I think from a talent. You're talking about Rogers or George Pickens? We moved on. Oh, talking about George Pickens. basically every report that we've seen out of Cowboys OTAs and practices is like Pickens is tearing it up and is in the eyes of all the B reporters like the perfect fit for what the Cowboys absolutely needed.

And then also when you add in just the fact that like the Cowboys offense couldn't be further from the Steelers offense over the last few years in terms of just and I saw this from Pat Thorman on X. The Cowboys are top 10 since like over the last four years. The Cowboys are top 10 in points, plays, pace, no huddle race. neutral pass rate, past yards, and their top 10 in total plays and points, basically. And on the other hand, the Steelers are not. And Pickens has played with a bunch of dog shit quarterbacks over his years.

Dak is a good quarterback who's going to distribute the ball, play with accuracy. He might not be the greatest quarterback of all time, but he's way better than anybody Pickens has played with, basically. And I'll add into that, I saw this. Matt Harmon posted this, I think, last week. He did the perception perception, which analyzes his route running,

his ability to get open against pressing man and zone. and all that. And according to Harmon, Pickens had career best marks in success rate versus man coverage, success rate versus press. He was significantly improved on film over what he's done in his career. So I think he's still ascending.

Pickens is still an ascending player. And I always thought he was pretty talented. So it all just comes down to, and this is not saying anything new, but it all just comes down to whether he can like not self-destruct. Not show up an hour late to the game after a week after Mike Talman said he needed to be more mature.

Yeah, that's a good example of what he should. didn't do. Yeah. Yeah. That's, I kind of see this whole situation as like Schrodinger's Pickens where I'm like, he is both a disaster and a huge success right now in my mind. And I think I do lean towards D.K.'s optimism where like he's off brand T. Higgins and D.K., that one, you mentioned that the neutral pass rate. The Cowboys were third last year. The Steelers were 25th. And like with Dak, I do think Pickens is like extremely talented. And I do think that his antics get in the way of that. But, man, like, he probably made like five of the best 20 catches last year alone. Dude, yeah, it was like every week we were talking about it. And so, yeah, I think there's a world in which he's just like Michael Gallup 3.0 and he's awesome. But you have to factor in games where C.D. Lamb has 14 targets and George Pickens has four. And is he going to be like DJ mooring it and walking off the field halfway through the play? I don't know.

But I think I lean to the optimistic side. I also increasingly just, I think there's, D.Ks put this. on put me on to this years ago and I think we actually should come up with the name and talk about it more where you should the instincts of the division rival fans are usually probably better than most people. They're just more revealing

of what they're closer to the truth I feel like usually. And as a Giants fan I actually think that the Cowboys have become so easy to make fun of that sometimes when they make a good move it's actually easy to forget you're like oh, this is going to work. And like this Cowboys have paid too much in the past for guys they had big draft grades on. They paid too much for Jonathan Mingo last year

and Chavante Williams even is running back is a weird edition. But adding Tyler Booker at guard and George Pickens on offense is like the two biggest problems they had together fixed. And you're like the best. Yeah, like the best number two. Every box you want.

Outside of running back. Yeah. Running back they should be fixed. But as someone who wants the Cowboys to fail, I'd way rather them have added a cool running back and not fix their offensive line. Like I am, they can get a running back whenever they want.

But Tyler Booker's going to kick the shit out of people. think they're going to be more physical team. And then Pickens, I just, it's, I don't like that Pickens is going to a place where I think Dak Prescott's the kind of quarterback that actually will help him. Like, he's a more mature guy. I also increasingly am worried if Brian Schottenheimer, who Jerry Jones renamed as just the head coach to the Dallas Cowboys,

I kind of increasingly am kind of like, fuck, what if Schottenheimer just does a good job? You know what if Schenheim is just a good coach? Like, fine. And I'm like, I don't know. I'm a little worried the Cowboys offense is going to be, as it usually is weirdly underrated, which is strange thing to say about Dallas.

100%. It's going to be like Bengals. They're going to throw the ball 50 times a game. Both receivers are going to be great. If everyone's healthy. Yeah, so see, we still see as a bankable top five pick. But I mean, Pickens, I, dude,

Pickens on Cowboy. We have Pickens' 64th overall. We have them as their, like, just outside the top 30 at receiver. And, you know, he's honestly in a range of talented but frustrating people. Jalen Wattle, Chris Olave, Rishi Rice, people who are, we don't know what to do with for a variety of reasons. Like, pickens will probably have some quiet games and then some huge games. Yeah.

It's a Ricky Bobby tier. It's guys that you're like to have top 10 talent, but maybe outside the top 50 for strange reasons. So, okay. Do we trust or I think trust? I actually, I never thought I'd say trust pickings, but I actually increasingly think that that real life and fantasy this will work.

The next one here, Devante Adams to the Rams. Kind of float out of the radar weirdly this off season. Dude, I think this is like one of the most underrated signings of the offseason. Just how good. I think Devonte is still good. And the Jets thing was a mess. You know what's funny? Even thinking back, last night when I was preparing for the show, I forgot Devante Adams was on the Raiders. And I realized him. I was like, I have no memories of him on the Raiders. He had 1400 yards and 13 touchdowns. Some great seasons with the Raiders. I have no memories of them at all.

Who was playing quarterback at that time? Derek Carr. Oh, Carr. Yeah, I guess it was Derek Carr. It's because they were college teammates. Yeah, that's right. I can't remember anything. There was like a whole thing where Devante Adams like demanded a trade or whatever, ended up with Derek Carrey. Wanted to be with Derek Carr, and then Derek Carr got traded. Yeah. Not a deal.

Then it was like Gardnerman 2. I was like, oh, fuck. Okay. But yeah, I like have no memories of Devante Adams on the Raiders weirdly. I like black that out. But the Rams have been looking for this outside receiver for like five years straight now. They've tried with Sammy Watkins and Odell and Alan Robinson and Brandon Cooks. And Devante is obviously the best version of that.

And him and Pooka Nuku, we're talking about Pickens and Cedley Lamb. I'd be Devonte Adams and Pooka Nukua with Matt Stafford in terms of like kind of a one year, let's see how good this offense can be. with a revamp offensive line. I don't know. I think this offense could be top five in the league. Stafford doesn't get enough credit, or maybe he does, but Stafford doesn't, I think, doesn't get enough credit

as being like one of the all-time kingmakers and fantasy. He just focused it. Like, he is essentially just like Sean McBay, where I have two guys I trust, and I'm only going to throw to those two guys every single time. Like, he is just so hyper-focused in on those guys. And I think it's partly because he believes he could make, every single throw.

It doesn't matter if he's being, if the coverage is tight, I'm still going to throw it because I know that my guy is going to get open at the last second, all that stuff. I mean, you go back all the way through his career when he was with the Lions.

It was Calvin Johnson, obviously had massive, massive seasons. But even after Johnson left, there was like, he made Golden Tate like 100 plus receiving reception guy in the NFL for a little while. There was other guys on that team that he propped up huge,

came, you know, came to L.A. and then Cooper Cup was a triple count. Triple Crown guy. You know, there's just a long history of Matt Stafford making guys absolute studs and fantasy. So I'm so excited about both these guys. And, you know, we were talking about how D.K. Metcalf is not the best fit for Aaron Rogers based on their styles because Aaron Rogers needs a Devonte Adams type.

Stafford is similar to Rogers in that respect where I do think Devonte and Stafford are a great fit in terms of kind of developing that really specific like veteran savvy connection where you're doing the back shoulder stuff. Yeah. You're communicating pre-snap. Red zone? Yeah, totally. I totally agree. I think if Devante Adams was 28, we'd all be freaking out. Instead, Devante Adams is, is he going to be 33?

He's 32. I've always been saying this, though, over the last couple of years. It feels like Adams has more than most guys at his position a style and skill set that will age really well, just because he's never been about pure speed. I want to say, like, even going back to the combine and coming out of the draft, he didn't, like, run fast. He's always about savvy, really quick. It's not athletic.

He didn't run fast. Well, he was, go, let's see what. No, I think he probably ran like a four, five or four six. Yeah. I remember it being like a talking point because like obviously everyone gets all fucking big boners about four fours and four threes. But yeah, I think he's all, he's always been about route running. And if you listen to interviews and see him talking about the way that he route, he runs routes, it's like so nuanced. And he watches tape and he sets guys up throughout the game with like,

different moves and basically like I'm going to save my my like ultimate you know like trump move for the last minute of the of the fourth quarter when I really know I need to use it kind of kind of it's like what you see with what pass rushers do throughout a game to tackles and so he's just a really smart player really great router on really quick and that's kind of more that matters more than being really fast if you if all the NBA players were playing an NBA game and you needed someone to just like ISO and just get to the basket you would have Devante Adams have the ball. That's his release package. It's like a Kyrie Irving or something.

But I just think also, Devante Adams being old and having this weird three-er Odyssey of Raiders, Raiders, Jets, Rogers, I think disguises the fact that every other box about the Rams, Devante Adams thing is checked where Devante is not replacing Cooper Cup, literally. Like, you know, Devonte Adams, you know, it's probably going to be that X role. Like Brandon Cooks was there,

Rams went to the Super Bowl. O'Dell Beckham was there, Rams went to the Super Bowl. They tried to get Alan Robinson to do it. But the McVeigh offense usually has that that outside receiver role or Devonty's going to be able to do it. But the flip side of me is, but Devonty is kind of replacing Cooper Cup in the sense that he will be the veteran who sees what Stafford sees. He will see before and after during the play that, oh, they're playing this coverage wrong. I'm going to do this.

Devonty will be the veteran who can help McVeigh and Stafford game plan as a peer and not just as a soldier being told what to do. And so he is and is not replacing Cup. But I think that to that point, D.K., like same way the Rams have had these veterans who age well, Andrew Whitworth, was basically a coach on this team. I forgetting John, I'm forgetting the center on that first McVeigh Ram's team,

but like the center, like you've had a lot of older players age well, Cooper Cup, obviously, that were just part of the staff game planning. And I think Devonte is going to be part of that. And then Terrence Ferguson, the Oregon tight end that they added too. I just,

I just think that the ran, if there's a move on this list where I'm like, that affected the Super Bowl and I had to pick one, I would pick this. Yeah. Because, DK, as a Seahawks fan,

what did you think when they signed? I was like, fuck. Yeah Yeah My first impression was like Fuck yeah

That sucks It's like It's almost like They can't keep getting away With this And then we went and signed Cooper Cup And I was like

Oh god Now I gotta talk myself Into this But I'm gonna do it I can do it I already talked myself into Cup Yeah You just do that one now

To get the Seahs So you got sure Yeah He got Sam Darnold And Cooper Cup We'll get to Gino The Raiders In a second

But the You guys signed Sam Darnold and then you got Cooper Cup. We got rid of D.K. Beckaff and Gino Smith in favor of Sam Darnold and Cooper Cup to kind of put it all together. On paper

and in my heart don't love it if I'm being totally honest. It feels like both guys are worse. There's younger, Donald's younger. That's a fact. You cannot argue that.

That's an objective fact. But we've never seen Donald's birth certificate. True. True. And Cooper Cup is cheaper. And older. You didn't mention that. Well, but he's cheaper is the most important thing. No, I don't know. From a Seawks point of view, like, I very much have had to sort of talk myself into this, if that makes, if that's like, that's the baseline of what you need to know. I've talked myself into it a little. They're completely abandoning, I think, the philosophy and identity that they had last year. This is definitely Mike McDonald's team now. Like, they're going to. It's so funny that they fire. Pete Carroll and brought in Mike McDonald, which I totally understand from like a schematic defense point of view, but philosophically, he's the same fucking guy.

Like play defense, run the ball, don't turn it over, you know, that kind of stuff. And Seahawks fans are just like, wow, okay,

yeah, we should just get back to running the ball and, you know, controlling the clock and not turning the ball over. And it's just so funny kind of see Seahawks fans have the same sort of identity crisis. But last year, Ryan Grub, one of the highest pass rates in the NFL.

just could not establish the run whatsoever, just couldn't get it going. And part of that is the offensive line, the Seahawksbade, some additions to the offensive line, including Gray-Zable in the first round. So they're switching to a new scheme on offense, which is more like outside zone oriented under center. Under Clint Kubiak, they switch quarterbacks.

Obviously, Sam Darnold, I think, is going to be much more of a facilitator ball, you know, not putting everything on his shoulders, like the way that they did with Gino Smith last year. And yeah, it's just going to be totally different. So I don't know what to make of it. I think there's, again, I can talk myself into the reasons that they did it. It's like we want to be a totally different type of team.

So like, why would we pay Geno Smith with all this money to just like play under center and hand it off? He doesn't really want to do that anyway. That's not what he's best at. He's best at shotgun, you know, he's going to put the passing game on his shoulders and do that. Whereas I think Darnold has some experience, you know, playing in that system. So he can, in theory, run it pretty well.

but I think ultimately at the end of the day my gut is like the Seahawks got worse at quarterback and receiver and maybe play caller I don't know probably not play caller it might be like a wash there but we don't really know anything about Clint Kubiak either you have to imagine

let's say Rams fans being like I don't really care what the Seahawks I don't think about you at all have you guys seen Cooper Cup he shaved the beard oh he he shaved the beard I like that for sure I do like that He's got like the late 90s, you know, hairstyle going on right now.

Dude, kind of looks like Kurt Cobain. Right. He's playing to the crowd. I mean, I respect it. I mean, look, yeah, he actually looks younger because he no longer has the cake. He looked like what you would, like what you envision grizzly man is like, like, like, he just looks like he'd been in the wilderness for years and he found him. Yeah, he had castaway vibes for a while.

I still, I never understood why NFL player specifically would have the giant chin beard with the chin strap. It's like, it's like, jamming it in there. air. Yeah. I got to give him credit at the very least because I've been asking for him to shave that damn thing off for years and he finally did it. So I don't know if it's going to come back, though. He might bring it back.

I think it's a new era. But yeah, Cooper Cough, I think, in short, I think Cooper Cups washed. I think, you know, we have them outside the top 100. I mean, yeah, like the Rams got rid of him. The Rams are like, Devonte Adams, please. So, you know, he's a big enough name that, you know, I think you can take Cooper Cup. But I think it's simplest for fantasy purposes. I think Sam Darnold in Minnesota, which was a perfect situation,

could support Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison and more. And frankly, I think in Seattle, Darnal will probably just support Jackson Smith and Jigpa. And that's probably all I want from Seattle in a passing game. And then hopefully Ken Walker and the running game gets going. But to me, that's all I wanted to Seattle is J.S.N. Ken Walker, honestly, that's kind of it. And maybe Cooper Cup serviceable.

And then Sam Darnold in a two-quarterback league, maybe is your second quarterback or like a good backup third guy in a super flex. but for the most part, I am, I'm a little dubious about this working, frankly. If you're a Seahawks fan, if you're a Seahaw fan and you want to just like take the copium

and, you know, whatever, just try and picture the perfect scenario is like, remember what the Saints teams did? The first two or three weeks of the year last year? The first two, they like kicked the shit out of the Panthers and the Cowboys. Yeah, just an absolute fucking buzzsaw offense. They were, like, the Saints

could just come off the gas in like the third quarter. last, the last, sorry, the first two weeks of the year last year. This is when we were joking around about. We got to find another Kubiak. Where's Klein Kubiak? What's he doing? He's got to be somewhere right now.

There's got to be some other Kubiak under a rock that we can find him. The next, well, I guess, honestly, we should probably just do Genesmith to the Raiders now while we're here. I think this is similar to me where fantasy, I don't think this is a huge gym. It's more about the coaching staff changing, the quarterback changing does that affect Brock Bowers. They have Ashen Gentia running back. I don't think that, you know, obviously he's a rookie.

So to me, it's like, all right. Brock Bowers, does he repeat having the best rookie tight-in season in 50 years? And then does Jacoby Myers still have value? And, like, to me, that's the beginning and end for the Raiders. I think it's just more interested in me, frankly, whether Gino Smith, Pete Carroll, Chip Kelly, and the Raiders are, like, competitive in the AFC West that now has Pete Carroll, Andy Reed and Mahomes with the Chiefs, Jim Harbaugh on the Chargers and Sean Payton, the Broncos. Like that aspect in Gino now being thrown in, to me, is much more.

The Raiders being an actual intriguing week-to-week team, to me is much more. more interesting than the Redderson fantasy. I really struggle with the AFC West because I like all the teams. I like all four teams. I think all four teams are good. I think the Raiders are going to be good. Broncos are going to be good. Chargers are going to be good.

Yeah. Obviously the Chiefs. It would just be cool, frankly, if the Raiders are competitive on a week-to-week basis. And Ashen Genti was awesome. And if Gentian Bowers are legit and Gino, and they are like winning games ugly, but if the Raiders, they just were at cakewalk last year. And if the Raiders are competitive in the Pete Carroll way, it would just be Cool.

Because I think when you, no team is a cakewalk when the coach is that good, or at least in theory. Yeah, that is the whole thing with Pete Carrolls. He just raises the floor of every team. And I think he had, good. Yeah. He had like, I don't remember what it was, two or three non-winning seasons in 14 years with the Ciox. I'll say this too. I feel like the Raiders offensive line, which no one talks about or thinks about because they were so bad last year.

I think the Raiders' all line is probably better than C-Ox and what Gino had last year. Yeah. Which isn't how you think of it. I think powers could just go off this year. Yeah, you also can't overstate how bad the Raiders rushing game has been and how different with Ashton Genti and Chip Kelly designing runs now, like how different that will look this year. And that's like, so the Raiders were, the Raiders, I forget the exact number,

but they were last in yards per carry in a way that was, it was one of the worst marks in like four or five years, what the Raiders did at yards per carry. Like maybe I could have been the running back for the Raiders last year and produced the same members. But I think that's a holistic thing about the coaching staff. It's about having Gardner, Minchew and Aiden O'Connell. It's kind of like teams were like, yeah, go ahead.

I've Aiden O'Connell through. I've Gardner-Minsche through it. You know what I mean? I think that it changes a lot with all this stuff. So, yeah, I think the Raiders are really fun. But for fantasy, it's Bowers and then I don't, I mean, I think Gino is just a top 15 guy. I think Jacoby is like a nice late-round pick and then obviously

Genti, the expectations are quite high. But he's up there with that like Zeke, Seek, Sequin level of rookies and fantasy drafts. We trust this, but probably trust more in real life than necessarily fantasy. Yeah. If anything, I actually wonder if Bowers, if Bowers actually comes down because Aidan O'Connell and Minsh were panicked thrown into Bowers and everything. And I almost wonder in a way if Gino actually will be able to go through reads in a way,

maybe those guys were unable to. I can understand that line of thinking, but I feel like that's over thinking. I think this raises Bowers ceiling infinitely. Like, how many touchdowns that Bowers have like four? Four. Yeah. Bauer is so fucking good. 1,200 yards and four touchdowns for Bowers.

Yeah, even if he loses like 10 catches, he's probably going to have twice the touchdowns. Yeah. Oh, fine. And Gino's pushing the ball down the field, you know? Yeah. Bigger plays. Okay. So I think we trust in the Raiders.

Yeah, we're not busting the Raiders. We're trusting them. Right, D.K. Totally. All right. If the Devante one is my pick for one that could influence the Super Bowl, this is my one to pick to actually influence fantasy the most of the season, which is Justin Field signing with the Jets.

Yeah. Another underrated move because it happened against the backdrop of way other, way other more large moves, but Fields signed for two years for $40 million. So $20 million a year. Only other serious quarterback on the team. It's like Fields and Tyrod Taylor on the Jets. So Fields is the main guy. And I guess they wanted him because Aaron Glenn, he's that coach of the Jets.

He coached against Justin Fields like five times division rivals bears the lions. So I mean, it's not like, you know, it's a mystery. Like clearly they know what they're getting in Fields. So they believe. And again, bizarre for a number of reasons, including Justin Fields and the Jets will be playing Aaron Rogers and the Steelers in week one. after they just key swap, just key parties swapped each other's quarterbacks. And that game's not nationally televised, right?

What a shame. It's in the early frame, I think, or whatever. Unbelievable. Put that on Tuesday night. Tuesday night, week one should be rivalry week. It's like the best rivalry of the season before is on Tuesday. That'd be sweet. When we get to Tuesday in the season, Craig's like, fuck this.

Remember the pandemic season? There was just games every day of the week. And I was like, this is the worst thing ever. There was a fucking game on Tuesday. On Wednesday. It was a Wednesday in the middle of the day. And I remember thinking... It was, didn't the Steelers played on a Wednesday?

And I think the Chiefs and Bill's played on a Tuesday. I remember turning it on and we're watching it. And I'm like, don't have work to do? I'm like, no, this is definitely my job. Yeah. This is definitely my... But it was like two in the afternoon. I'm like, this is so strange.

Yeah. Anyway, I think we're all on the same page. If anyone wants to go on a limb and say Fields will just have his career resurrected in real life, go for it. I think we're all probably going to be Fields in real life. This is probably a bust of a situation. But fantasy, I just think this is a trust. I think that feels like he's going to play. And when Justin Fields plays, to me,

I strongly feel that he's worth the risk, even if it may not work in fantasy, I think it's worth trying. We've already seen it. I mean, that one year on the Bears, where he ran for 1,000 yards. I think he was like the quarterback six or seven that year in fantasy.

And it's like, the situation's not worse right now with the Jets. Like, I would say the O line is above average. Their O line could be really good. Yeah. Yeah. But there's just, I don't think I've ever seen a bigger gap

in fantasy expectation versus his real life expectation than with Fields. Is something that's playing into that, Craig, do you think the fact that people believe he'll get hurt? No, it's people think he sucks. Yeah, it's just like, because it's like, it doesn't matter if he sucks. Well, it's, I think it's weird that feels is a little bit.

Well, here's why. It's that you have to separate Fields as September stats out. I don't know why this is the case, but for whatever reason, Fields, even when he played in September, was bad in real life, but also in fantasy. Like, Fields never really had a good September. They tried to make him a passing quarterback early in the year. It's like a New Year's resolution.

He's like, I'm going to read defenses and sit in the pocket and make a throw. And then by mid-October, he's like, fuck it. We got to run. Fields from like, we have another choice. We're down 20. We got to run. If you look at Fields like 2022, 2020, 23 in October on, he was literally like a top five fantasy quarterback every year. Fuck the lemons and bail.

You know, he's just run. What do you do? If Fields play 17 games, I feel like it's hard for him not to be a top-10 fantasy quarterback. Oh, yeah. Top eight. I should put it this way. Put it this.

Here's, I think we have Fields 13th, which I think is higher than others. I actually, I'm going to move him. I think he should be like nice. We should stop being cowards. Make him fit. I think a weird thing with fantasy rankings.

What about first? Well, honest. Fifth? Fifth is an insane to me. Well, it sounds crazy. Again, we had Anthony Richardson fifth last year.

Yeah, that was, well, yeah, but he sucks. Fields is great. But there is a similar argument, though, where even if Richardson flamed out, to me,

it's the simple. we never talk about this, but there's projections of how you think it'll perform. But then the rankings also have to take into account supply and demand. And the first four quarterbacks off, like, who are the guys who could run for 10 touchdowns of quarterback? Jaden, Lamar, it hurts. Josh, the first four guys off the board. Yeah. And then like Kyler, Bo Nix, those are other guys in the top eight.

Rogers has apparently looked really mobile. Yeah. Yeah. But once those guys are off the board, the top four guys, Kyler, Bow, Nick's Daniel Jones. Yeah, but there's three guys. It's like the Colts combo of Jones and Richardson, maybe Drake May, and then Justin Fields.

And it's like, but how many pocket passes are there that could have a good season? 12. And my point with the Richardson thing is, Richardson was a flame out. All right, sometimes it's Lamar 2019. Sometimes it's Anthony Richardson 2024. But there's always a Baker Mayfield last year. This guy that was like the 17th quarterback taken that ends up being a top five guy. And I just don't want Jared Goff when I could have Justin Fields.

because, yeah, it might be bad, but who cares? I can just get Trevor Lawrence, C.J. Stroud, Jordan Love. Like, I don't want, I can get a pocket passer whenever I want. So I'm not saying I'm guaranteeing fields will be good, but I want him. I want Fields because he's the last guy that could join that top four. It also feels like the Jets know who he is and they're not going to try and force him into something that he's not. Like, they're just going to run the shit out of the ball. And it is going to be the Navy offense again.

I think that they're what they're trying to do and don't jump down my throat on this Eagles fans. But they're trying to be like, kind of like the Eagles where dominant run game, a guy, a quarterback who can run when pressure happens. And Fields is it's not like Fields is a terrible thrower. He just is a slow processor.

So like if they can design a scheme that will get him opportunities to push the ball down the field. Like he can hit guys down the field. So I think, you know, obviously maybe it's delusional. But they think, I think they believe they can have an offense that's somewhat akin to what the Eagles. And to that point,

the Jets offensive line is another thing. where I'm intrigued if it's good, because you have Olufoshano at left tackle. You have they just drafted Arm and Membue to be right tackle. Those are two high picks. Yeah, they could have an elite offensive line. Elijah Vera Tucker is a really good right guard. Joe Titman is, I think, third year at center. And then left guard's John Simpson, who was the guy

with the awareness rating question by Brick Johnson, the son. But, you know, John Simpson, good guard. You guys didn't care about that at all. I thought, I just can't get over that story. I mean, yeah. No one cares. Okay, whatever.

I love a good brick story. Anyway. Yeah, no, I agree. I agree. Well, like, if they, again, Justin Fields at the end of the, at the time a few years ago, had the most rushing yards

the quarterback has ever had in the season. Yeah. He's fast. The man is fast. I saw a, like a super cut of every Anthony Richardson interception last year. And it was like, was it his fault or not his fault?

And they were just all his fault. And they were so bad. Some of the worst throws. I can't, I can't believe what that season was. So on that note, the cold sign, Daniel Jones. to the one-year deal for $14 million for the simple fact that Richardson, I mean, Chris Ballard basically just said we don't know if Anthony Richardson

can stay healthy when he or stay on the field. We went from in a few months, Chris Ballard, the GM of the Colts saying that Anthony Richardson is entering his first truly healthy offseason to Anthony Richardson having a shoulder injury at OTAs and it's seemingly like Daniel Jones will play in week one. That happened in the span of four months. He's seeing Dr. Ella Trash. What's, what's the Neil El-Ele-Rash. The Achilles surgeon for Kobe and the guy who worked on a tom.

And he's like, oh, God. He's like the guy. So not great. But to Craig's point, I got the stuff from Bill Barnwell. I couldn't believe this. I read it three times because I thought it was incredible. Anthony Richardson's 47.7% completion percentage was the worst in NFL history after adjusting for error among passers with a minimum of 200 attempts. I'm going to send you guys that super cut.

It's astonishing. Some of the throws. I keep, I said this show a couple times ago. We spent the whole offseason talking about Anthony Richardson needing to be more accurate, and then his percentage, his completion percentage dropped 12 points. It dropped the most than it could ever drop. I don't think we do it could drop that much. If you drop three points, like people talk about it.

12 points. Not great. No. And Daniel Jones, I just think, can step in and, you know, if it's third and six, like Daniel Jones can throw a seven-yard pass to like Michael Pittman and complete it. And I just think that's what the Colts would like to see. I think Jones is mobile flacco. He's mobile Joe Flacco.

He can run. He can move. But to me, it couldn't be more different than Richardson, because Richardson was throwing the ball deeper than any quarterback last year. Like Richardson's average pass was traveling significantly further than everyone else. Daniel Jones is the checkdown king who frankly, Daniel Jones had good deep backers here early in his career. And ever since this neck surgery,

Daniel Jones has been literally throwing it the short, Alex Smith, he's been throwing it the shortest of any player in the NFL basically and the deep actors he's kind of faded. So I don't know. This is, I, yeah. I will say, I think if Anthony Richardson, like, if his shoulder is a problem and he's officially out for the first whatever six, eight weeks of the season and Daniel Jones is the starter, I think Michael Pittman immediately becomes one of the best, like, late round days.

Yeah, good value. Him and Downs. Josh Downs is good too. Yeah. I totally. Yeah. Downs is like if Wondale Robinson was good. Oh, come on.

About which part? I mean, Downs is a legitimate. really good route runner. Okay, fine. Josh Downs is like if Wondale Robinson was a legit really good route. Sure. Okay, that's good.

Yeah. Are you just saying because they're the same size? Yes. Okay. Got it. That's exactly why I'm so. Josh, what is Josh Downs?

Don't judge a book by a tight. Josh Downs is big. Josh Downs is 510. Wando Robinson is not 510. It's like 5.8. Yeah. I just, I've just really said. I don't know why you had to bring up

freaking Wondell Robinson there. Because Daniel Jones played with Wondel Robinson. Oh, okay. I see the connection now. That makes sense. I got you. I see how if you didn't put that together, that would feel like a shot.

No, no, no. I understand what you're saying now. I just missed it. But yeah, I agree. It's going to be like if Richardson's playing, you will bench Pittman and Wondale and if Jones is playing,

you will play them. Yeah. Pitman was like one of the worst picks in fantasy last season, and now he might be one of the best if Daniel Jones starts. Yeah. You'll know when to play them or not, probably.

It's just so weird to think that Daniel Jones could be a starter for the Colts this year. It's wild. I actually think in real life, this is a disaster, but I think in fantasy, I actually think Jones could be, like, surprisingly, competent.

What we're talking about with Fields, Daniel Jones, it's like, to Craig's point, it's like the Blake Bortles thing, when Blake Bortles was good in fantasy, but the worst quarterback in the NFL. Like, Blake Bortals was so bad, he became a running bit on the good, on the good place.

Yeah. Like, NBC had a multi-season arc. About a guy from Jacksonville who loved Blake Bortles in the Jaguars. That's how bad. Bordles. Bordles? Bortles. And they were in hell the entire time.

Spoiler alert. Come on. Show's been out for like eight years. One of the greatest twists. Maybe it was really obvious, but still. No, I don't think it was obvious. No, I didn't see it coming. When the twist happened, I was like, oh my God.

I'm going to make a claim without having put one second of thought into it, but I feel like it's the best twist in comedy history. Oh, can I, can I? That's a good, that's a good category. There's no twist in comedy usually. That's a good twist. It's not a twist, but it's a reveal. It's not quite the twist.

A spoiler for Arrested Development. Paul, skip this if you haven't seen Arrested Development, but if you just watch the show. The Banana Stan? I think the funniest reveal I've ever seen in a comedy is that Saddam Hussein was living in a model house. In a rest of development. When they're watching, they get Saddam.

Solid at Iraq. And they're like, that looks like our house. that that's not a twist but it's just like an amazing little incredible like three year bit oh my god yeah email it's the best twist in comedy history also i always just loved the dad being like well there's always money in the banana stand and it was literally money to it like oh it's so good speaking of t-boned

tebone which also did you run down the banana sand oh most definitely right maybe it was the garage I can't remember what he was used to bring down the storage unit that's it yeah almost definitely yeah but Seinfeld had George Costanza

bobblehead night no not Seinfeld Yankees had Seinfeld night where they gave away Costanza bobbleheads and that reminded me because people emailed me about it and saying George Costanza had a whole Seinfeld episode where we went by Teabone Oh wow

Teabone I don't remember that episode I don't either dude yeah everyone's like calling George TBoh he ordered a Tbone at work dinner or something and everyone's like T-Bone For lunch.

He ordered T-bone for lunch By accident. T-bone. T-bone. I think objectively T-Bone's the best. Yeah. I agree. You argued with us about it.

No, but I'm saying I have a soft spot in my heart for Will Ferrell yelling J-Bone. Jay-Bone's great. But T-Bone's objectively good also. Clear top two, though. Then there's a tear drop. I agree.

I'm going to step around here, but I just out of respect for all these other players. I'm not going to talk about the Giants right now. I want to just get to a few receivers. the Washington commanders at Debo Samuel, which to me is the epitome of this exercise

is at some point between July 30th and September 10th, everyone watching football is going to at some point be like, Debo Samuels is on Washington? Also, we never talked about this on the show, I don't think, but we had a discussion offline. There was apparently some Dr. Debo videos out there or were there.

Oh, yes. Someone AI edited it to make him look fatter. Oh, is that now in dispute? I don't know. I really don't know. answer. I don't know if anyone officially admitted to it. Can I admit? Well, I wouldn't admit something. I saw him and I was like, man, Dibo's looking thick. And then...

You saw him on that video? Well, I didn't know it was doctor. I saw a video where I thought he looked thick. And then we were in a group chain that was like, oh, this is actually doctored. But I could never really tell a huge difference between the regular video and the dog... Just camera angles can look different with lighting and different

cameras. Like, different lenses can look different. But it was the same shot. It was just... I don't know about you guys, but I actually think literally two weeks ago while I was in vacation was the first AI video I saw where I was like the world's over like no one's going to be able to tell anything

because I saw this video someone made of cats jumping off a diving board into a swimming pool and someone had just taken real no no but some it looks real but he thought it was no no but I'm saying Olympic diving board footage fuck you god damn it he texted me and he was like you see this how it's just not a bigger deal

Okay, sorry, continue Well, so I saw the cat. Someone had a really realistic version of cats diving in water, and it looked real. I saw it. Then my mother-in-law pulls it up on Instagram, but it's dogs. Which is like way, like, you know what I mean? Dogs get trained to do stuff. Like cats drive diving in a pool is obviously thing.

Was it a golden retriever doing a triple axle off of a diving board? No, I don't think that's believable. Well, she asked. And I had to let her down gently And I was like, that is fake. That is fake. But it's hard for the boomers to conceptualize that something they see is fake. Like all this distance.

And the boomers. It's like smallpox blankets. Like the internet, like we have antibodies. We grew up seeing stuff on the internet and we see ads and we see fake stuff. And we see our friends doing like lying because it's funny. And we're like, you can't believe everything you read. The boomers just believe everything they fucking read. Because they, you know what I mean?

And so they have no immunization. That's what you could do. Yeah, you can someone publish this. This must be true. And now they see something like, you see these dogs doing these tricks? I'm like, that was created by someone in a basement. It's why Air Bud was such a successful franchise because they believed it. Dude.

Yeah. It's a good documentary. Can you believe that? And people say Travis Hunter can't play both sides of the ball. I'm like, did you see Air Bud win the World Series? He played soccer, football, basketball. I think race car driving, he did it all. I forgot to tell you guys that two of my buddies.

literally got into almost a fist fight because they were trying to decide whether it was Airbud 2 Golden Retriever or AirBud to a Golden Receiver. It's Golden Receiver. Obviously. I hope your

I hope your friend God is asking. It's receiver. Otherwise there's no pun. Golden Receiver. Otherwise, it's just what type of dog is. They made the movie. Hold on. I'm fucking getting it up. It's not, it wasn't golden retriever. It was um.

Fuck. They were like arguing over the name of the Air Bud 2 movie essentially. How about this? Call your friend. What's your friend doing, right? You still talk to? And they refuse to look. I really respect that they, so they refuse to look it up, right?

They're like, no, we're going to hash this out old school. Yeah. No internet. I'm going to say Airbud. By the way, email us at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. I want to know the dumbest arguments you've almost gotten in a fist or you got in a fistfight over with your friends. Have I said this on the show that my friends, Mike and Jackson? who are the king of dumb arguments once argued for 20 minutes about where the guys from Florida

Georgia line were from? Was one of them like, oh wait, D.K., it is titled Golden Receiver. Oh, wait, no, yeah, that's what we thought. Yeah, no, that's what we thought. Oh, no, sorry, sorry, sorry. Here's what it is. They just replied, Brian just responded. It was Wide Retriever or Golden Receiver.

And they almost, like, I think they actually came to blows. They, like, actually fought a world. It's golden receiver. As much as, like, friends can. like had a mis-fighter is good. That was probably a difficult decision in that marketing department, but that, yeah. Wide retriever versus golden receiver.

And it was golden receiver. It was. Yeah, golden receiver. That movie made $10 million. Roger Sherman had a great article for the radio where he ranked all Airbud movies in terms of how likely it was that the dog could perform the ad. Because the first gold airbud is that they foul out of a

basketball game. They have four kids on the team and that they just have a dog boop in the basketball like a seal. He boops the basketball in his thing like twice. Yeah. And like that's realistic to a degree. A dog can boop a basketball. Yeah. But then he hit a home run in the World Series. I need to, oh, he was in the World Series? I need to look up all the movies.

Holy shit, there's a lot. Look up this, Roger. You look up the Ringer article. I'll send it to you. Okay, so we have Air Bud plausibility rankings. We have Airbud. Then we have Airbud Golden Receiver. Then we have, these were direct-to-video. AirBud World Pub. Soccer. Air Bud 7th inning Fetch Yeah Okay

No Now we have Ironically that's a stretch And we have Air Bud Don't stop me Trying to make fetch happen Yeah Vulnball

Air Bud spikes back Which is volleyball It's a Finley veiled Empire strikes That's easily though The most plausible One for a dog

Is volleyball Well let's hold on here What else we have We have Air Buddies I believe he has children Snow buddies Space buddies

Yeah they went off Like Spooky buddies Yikes okay yeah you're right well I guess soccer

soccer if he's a goalie maybe yeah actually you know yeah yeah I could see that a sweeper a dog is a goalie's not not a not a terrible idea

you ever try to get a ball past like an Australian chef but it's hard I think those videos where the dog could like run up a wall like 30 five feet.

Try doing that guy. Try to kick a soccer ball past the golden retriever. It's hard. Yeah. A wide retriever. Yeah. Email us one thinks your friends have fought over. There appears to be a raccoon in the baseball one.

I actually want to know this one. This is a good one. The best prompt is like not real fights, but almost a real fight. Where you're like almost like. Oh, the type of thing you always got to fight over. It's like what is the dumbest thing you've gotten into an actual fight with your friend? friend with. It's like a physical fight.

We once argued whether the man was the tallest man in the world was 7 4 or 7 5 for like oh man, probably two hours. What's the argument? Is it just who's remembering it correctly? Yeah. But it was before you could really Google stuff. When was that?

When could you not Google stuff in your lifetime? I don't know. We were in fourth grade. Oh, wow. So was very young argument. We had read it in different Guinness Books of World Records and that we were both right. You guys know the whole impotent, impotent thing with my. Yeah, you and your roommate Chris argued about it.

Was it like fresh in your college? He just took a stand on impotent. Yeah. He was like, it's impotent. I was like, dude, you know it's not. He's like, it is. Two hours later, he was like, I knew it wasn't. I still think that it should be impotent.

And somebody just won that argument 300 years ago. We say it that way. But it's like, why would it be potent and impotent? But does it make sense? I think that was the basis of his argument. Debo Samuel. Do you think a golden retriever could do that job? Honestly, if a golden retriever had to play any kind of position,

a Debo-style role makes sense. That's true. Wide back. That's true. Wide bark. I will say, I think Debo Samuel, right now if you're drafting, obviously things will change when training camp comes around. And we determine whether he's actually fat or not. But because of one video that was circulated of him running a route against air,

he's at a huge discount right now. You should share the videos. Looking fat against air is. not great. I mean, it's not great. You should share all the disinformation about the players being fat, and then you should take Debo Samuel in the draft. Here's what I'll say. I think I agree with you. You could probably get him for a discount. I was reading Bill Barnwell's article, and he pointed out that once Debo season in 2021 really has carried a lot of water for like his reputation. Yes, extremely. He's hurt a lot. And outside of that season, you know, he's never had a

year outside of 2021 where he's had more than 900 receiving yards. He really runs the ball a lot, but like, 892 yards is his best season outside of that 2021. He had a 1400 yard season, right? That is all true. I think to me there's two, there's three things. It's the cheapest you will get Debo in five years. And the fattest,

which is big. So pounds per square inch. Which is big. My God, the value. Yeah, it's kind of like when the meat at the supermarket's of like this is going bad. You know, it's like it's a pretty good deal. It's the sell by date is today.

The sell by date is 20, 23, yeah. But I also just think that I think I just trust Cliff Kingsbury. Like Washington last year got so much out of all these guys. Like, I mean, look at Diamie Brown, Alamedes of KS. Like, these are, I flots them. Like, these are just guys floating around the league that that no one has been able to make that productive. And Cliff Kingsbury just grabbed anyone and just made it work. And like Zach Earts, all these people.

that hadn't looked like they belonged on an NFL field all worked for Washington. They made everything work with Jan Daniels. And now they get Debo. I just think it's going to work. And he's in a contract year. So I think he'll be in shape. D.K., where do you land with this? I think it's the perfect spot for Debo because I think they were already a really screen-heavy offense.

And just in terms of his role, that's what he's going to do. He's going to run. He's probably going to have a ton of screenplays where, you know, they try to get him into space really quickly, let him do his things. thing and around things like that but he'll also light up in the backfield every once in while I'm sure um but in terms of like fits with offensive coordinator in Kingsbury and quarterback I think it's perfect because like the things they can do with them is really creative um and they don't have like an elite running back I think part of the reason Debo never had like he

never repeated his all pro season was you know he number one he kind of told the team he didn't want to run the ball as much as he did because he was like going to wear him down earlier but number two, they went and got Christian McCaffrey not long after that. And they didn't really need Debo to be a running back anymore because they had Christian McCaffrey carrying the load. It's kind of like if Bill comes on our show, we don't need to do the fucking take purge.

You know what I mean? Right. You know, like, the Revitry said McAfee, they're like, all right, Debo, why don't you just go play fucking wide receiver? Yeah. But I think in terms of places where it could really work, this is the place it could really work.

But hopefully he's in shape. And I feel like we will know, like the first three, four weeks of the season, I think you'll know what kind of Debo year you're getting, probably. I just think it's the class, it's the epitome to be of buying the dip. And it's also, and part of it to me is this simple. He is in a contract year, which when you're in that 29, 30 year old range for a receiver, all these guys know it's their last, unless you're Mike Evans or Devante,

it's your last chance at like $30 million a year. Yeah. It's like Debo, like, Debo's looking at whatever is Debo's bank account, this is this last chance to like add, you know what I mean? like a get a real contract and like digs, all these guys are in the situation. So. You mentioned the word flotsam

a few minutes ago. It's so funny. I was texting our friend Jackson Bevins who used the term flotsam. And I said to him, flotsam, great word. That's a,

I feel like that's a word Danny Kelly would appreciate. And he said future fairy boat captain Danny Kelly. And then two days later, you said flotsam. That's weird. Flossom's a good word.

Stuff floating around. Yeah. did we ever talk about there was this container ship of rubber duckies that like spilled in like the 90s and just out there floating around still and it actually helped oceanographers like it's a perfect test case of like where does currents go because they just kept finding they could serial numbers on the ducks so they could just trace so like they started finding ducks all over like all like I believe all seven continents got a duck wow and they went all over the world and they could trade with the odds they found all those that feels like an animated movie I know I was going to say that they need to make that into a movie one of the ducks is the main character

I'll get chat cheap BT to crank that out yeah that's good no it's a TV show because every episode's about fighting a new duck it's like Lilo and Stitch yeah and then you the lead duck's name Storm Duck I don't want to keep going we should end the show

full circle Storm Storm duck sequel booby feaster all right let me get wrap up these so the other Sequel Booby

Booby Feaster it's a blue-footed booby get your mind out of the gun Dude. Stefan Diggs signed with the Patriots. It was reported as three years in like 60, whatever million. It's a one-year deal for 60 million bucks,

and if he's good, they'll bring him back. But like it's, they don't owe him as much money as it sounds like. I think dead money for them would be like $3, $4 million next year. So it's like a one-year commitment. Diggs is coming off a torn ACL in Houston.

So Diggs has gone from being traded from the bills to Houston where they reduced his contract, which I feel like I've almost never seen. So he hits free agency early. He's on a, one-year deal, tears his ACL. Now he sounds like another one-year deal being reported as a three-year deal. He's dating Cardi B.

He's got the 2C, the whatever the pink drugs were on the boat in the off-season, not at OTAs with the ACL rehab. Meanwhile, Drake May through 10 touchdowns last year to 10 different people. I'm just not, I'm going to pass. I'm going to pass on the Stefan Diggs off the ACL experience. D.K., does Stefan Diggs to New England make you trust or does it make you bust? It makes me bust in a bad way. derogatory.

Um, no, I don't, I don't trust this particularly. I, it's like, you know, apart from all of the personality stuff, which is a lot. Like, he's coming off of a late season ACL tear. Yeah. I think it was like mid-season. It's week five, week six. Regardless. Still, that's, you know, that's why we have a year after the year after thing, like that rule.

And that only gets more. you know, important as you age. Like if you're 24, I mean, I think I'm just going to have a hard rule. If you tear a ligament in your knee and you're over 30, I think I'm out. He's 31. He'll be 32 in November. Yeah.

So. I just, I'm not interested. Would you rather, we have them in the same range. We should have with Cooper Cup or Stefan Diggs. Man. That's tough. I think it's pretty cool. I think probably Diggs. But that's also I rather have, we're not high

on Cup. I think I would have Cup as well. he shaved the beard so yeah he shaved the beard it's later but he's gonna get in a mile an hour back without all the wind resistance yeah giants signing russells and james and then getting jackson dart at quarterback i think russe is gonna start you're not having these guys in fantasy

if it's a super flex league russ is like you know maybe a cheeky late round guy you can have dart too if you want i don't think james is going to play barring like an injury to russ early in the season i think they signed james in case they couldn't get jackson dart and jr now they're just going to carry four quarterbacks. Mostly to me, this just affects whether you want Malik Dabors on the team, but this is like a pretty narrow offense.

It's like the league neighbors at receiver. I don't think you want another receiver. And then, you know, Tyrone Tracy and Scadabo and I mean, it's thin. What about Darius Slateon getting a bunch of money and now being with Russell Wilson, who, if there's anything, he still does well, it is kind of throw the ball deep? Slayton to me is a pain of a waiver wire guy. I think that Slayton's a perfectly capable, like if you need to, if you have a bunch of injuries or buy weeks or something

and you want to add Darius Slayton off waivers, perfect. I don't think there's enough upside for you to carry Darius Slayton for a season because it's just, I don't know, I'd rather stash, you know, a running back or, you know,

in case someone gets hurt or just have like a higher upside player or a rookie. I would just... Hey, Vince, where are you at on the number of games before DART is playing? Do you think he'll play this year?

I would like him. Like, without injury. Without injury? So like Russell's healthy, they'd bench him for DART. I'm, you know,

I feel like I changed my mind about this every week. I think in the nutshell I would say this. I don't know, I don't want to pretend to know what I would have done with Brian Dable

and Joe Shane and everything at the end the season. There's an argument to fire them. It's an argument to keep them. I think you have now decided

to hold on to Brian Dable, the coach and Joe She and the GM and you've let them draft a quarterback. I think it's a mistake to be like,

well, if they don't make the playoffs this year or they're fired. Like you have embarked on a two-year thing here. Right. And I just, I think it would be a mistake to give Brian Day,

like I understand why you can't necessarily tell Dave, yeah, you got the whole year you can suck. It's fine. But I would prefer Brian Daibel to know that he has two years and do what's best for Jackson Darts development. And don't feel like if Russell Wilson starts one and six, because he sucks, that if you don't get DART in in week seven,

even if you think he maybe he's not ready, but you're like, fuck it. I got nothing left. You know, James, I want them to just prioritize Darts long-term development. I am a big fan of sitting. I think sitting is okay. You know what I mean? I don't know. And maybe he doesn't need as much seasoning. But it depends on whether they're winning or not and whether he looks good. But I think DART would benefit from sitting for at least two or three months. Savvy move by Dayball and Shane. I mean, this is like that couple that you always think is about to

break up. And every year, the guy's like, I got it break up with her. And then they're married five years later. Well, that's what the quarterbacks are. It's an anchor baby. And maybe that's what we should call them sometimes. These are anchor quarterbacks. You know, that was kind of the Bears of Justin Fields. It's like they had Ryan, not Ryan Poles. Ryan, what's the other Ryan P

that ran the Bears before the pole? The other Ryan before Ryan Poles who ran the Bears who now is destroying another team. He's with the Falcons. Why can't I remember this? I know what you're talking about and it's blanking on it.

Ryan Pace. Ryan Pace drafted Trubisky, which at the time was crazy. And everyone was like what? And then he drafted Fields. And it's like, it's an anchor quarterback. Is an anchor baby a phrase that,

is that like when you You have a baby to save your relationship? Is that what an anchor be you? Yeah. I didn't know that expression. Me neither. Yeah, so. But I really like that for Jackson D'Art.

Jackson Anchor Baby DART. Well, no, the funniest thing was James had an interview. He's talking about Dart and Scatabo. And James says the white boys are seasoned out here. Because he's talking about Tommy DeVito, Scatabo, and Dart. Dart looks like fucking... They're seasoned.

And also Jackson Dart is obsessed with Scatobo. with Anakin Skywalker because Dart looks like Hayden Christensen. And then Abdul Carter is obsessed with Darth Vader. Like obsessed with Darth, like wants to be known as Vader. I don't love that on either side. I think both of those scenarios. My gut reaction to that is both negative. Yeah.

Being obsessed with Anakin Skywalker specifically, I think, is kind of weird. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like it's not that cool until you get to Darth. What about the younglings? It's sick if they're good. It's the epitome of if they're good. Those poor younglings.

That's a big win for Star Wars, though. I got to say, like, still hanging on. The young kids still think Star Wars is cool 50 years later. Do you think that, you know how Alan Lazard did the finger guns for first down? I got fined even though the Patriots have muskets, do you think that since ESPN's elite partner or Disney? The lightsaber would be fine. Do you think if Admiral Carter does the lightsaber celebration after SACC, do you think that that will that get? Well, depends on how he does it, I think.

If Disney had a Star Wars movie coming out this year, they'd be fine with it. Yeah. Okay. I think the Giants are not going to work. This is going to be a disaster. So that's my take. Wait, can I ask you briefly? Malik Neighbors was awesome last year, despite the quarterback situation being a mess.

I guess the quarterback situation this year, you would probably say is a little better. Still not great, but a little better. Do you feel better about neighbors if you're going to have a better year than last year? It's weird because I could. see across a full season looking good, but the, I think Neighbors has the chance for the most volatility week to week in the entire league, because if Dart is the quarterback at any point, which will be later in the season, fantasy playoffs and port matchups, if I was defensive coordinator, I would cover them like neighbors on every fucking play and make Jackson Darts

throw to anyone else, both practically to make DART process and also just because the Giants don't have that many. Slayton and Wondale aren't as scary to me. It's harder to, it's not that hard to tackle them. Relatively. But the flip side is, I think if James Winston plays, like Russell Wilson pulls a hamstring and James Wilson's playing in September, I literally think we will rank Malik Neighbors as the number one receiver every single week that James Winston starts.

So you're balancing, like, what's the chance James Winston plays 10%, 15, Russ is like 60, you know what I mean? I just think that you're going to watch the games and be like, fuck, I can't believe I'm betting on Russell Wilson to throw the ball to Malik Neighbors. Now, I don't know, maybe he moonballs it. It's like DK Metcalf when he had 14 touchdowns. Maybe Neighbors looks great. You know what I mean?

Like maybe neighbors, maybe it's awesome. But I'm a little dubious. Yeah, I can't think of a stronger. There's nobody else to throw the ball to situation than Malik Neighbors in the Giants in a while. I mean, it is like, he's going to get a ton of targets. I just, I worry it'll be ugly. Yeah. Again, it goes back.

Neighbors is good. You can take him in the first round. I just come back to look at the players in the first round. 15 picks of fantasy drafts this year. Who are their quarterbacks? No, totally. That's what I'm saying. It's kind of one of the weirder picks just because the situation is so kind of...

It's like, Gary Wilson last year. Remember Garrett Wilson where we're like, oh, this guy, and even that neighbor's, frankly, his rookie year was better than anything Garrett Wilson's probably done. But like, it's similar to me, where you're like, but the situation could be toxic. Like, what if it goes badly? What if Brian Dable's fire? You know what I mean? Like, it could spiral and you're like, I can't believe I did that.

But anyway, we'll see. Last player on a new team here, Najee Harris to the charges. We don't have to linger on this. they drafted Omerian Hampton, the running back into North Carolina first round, like a month later. It's Hampton's backfield, just a matter of when, not if.

So it's whether Najee gets the ball, you know, is he the starter for one month, one year, three years, you know what I mean? Zero months. I hate this for this year. This sucks for Amerihanton. Najee Harris is going to be an energy vampire,

suck up 40% of the carries. He might be like starting games for like the first 20th. He might be like technically the gut, the starter. Greg Roman loves to split, even if it ends up becoming Omerianham. Maybe that's the guy you should trade for half right through the season. But draft, draft, Najee, and then trade for

Omerianhampton is probably the correct move. They are talking up Naji in the off season. He is going to be in the mix, which sucks. This is going to be a Bijan Al Jir's situation. Honestly, it's all the ingredients are there because Noges is going to do all the little things they like. The only player with more carries than Naji the last four years is Derek Henry. So he plays.

He doesn't generally miss games. Another thing Bard will point out is just, Noges is better at a gap scheme. the charges are gaps game team. I'm not surprised that the zone, the Steelers started running, he wasn't as successful there. I'm not saying Najee Harris is awesome,

but another, the bad version of like what Zeke does, like I think Najee does little things that coaches like. Harbaugh's obsessed with him, which that alone, he's probably going to play. Nagy can get you five yards.

He's not going to explode for 20, but he can get you five. Again, Harbaugh wanted him as a recruit, and he got him. So I think Najee is going, there's a little like James Connor energy from like four or five years. ago where you're like, Naji, off the Steelers, he's done now.

We'll never hear from this guy again. And you're like, I wonder if he's five years. That'd be interesting. Yeah. He might be the nastiest pick in fantasy. He's gnarly. Absolutely gnarly. He should do that ranking. Yeah. All boring to hold your nose and pick. It's not even boring. The hold your nose and hit the button. Because James Connor is boring, but he's not nasty.

You know? There is a, there is like a stank. If you draft Naji Harris, everyone's going to be like, what the fuck are you doing? This is disgusting. Like hold their nose picks. That's actually pretty good. I like stanky picks. That's good.

We'll do stanky picks. Yeah, there's plenty of boring guys who are not stinky. Yeah, there's a lot of stink out there. Okay. You'll just want to do some emails and get out of here? Yeah. Yeah. Emails at Reefancy Football at Gmail.com.

I wanted to hit a few things from when we last recorded before all those things that happened. First of all, we talked about names. Names you can yell and people would instantly get what movie you were talking about. So we talked about Rachel from Dark Day. Rachel. Rachel. Adrian. Once we missed.

Stella. Right. I can't do it. That's a good one. Ben? Like Lord of the Rings. I said, I still Lord of the Rings.

I'm in Star Wars. Sorry. The Lord of the Rings ones were like, Sam and Frodo. But like, I just think the Lord of the Rings names are weird. It's. I don't think that counts. Sam and Frodo.

Fine. Frodo. When you said, when you saying Sam there sounded like, Gillie from Sam. Sam. Sam.

Sam. But I think Ben from Star Wars. Sam. What are books? Sam. What is oxygen? Gilly, that's what you breathe. Silly.

Gilly, books are what we read. What else? I forgot Bill always used to reference the Khan from Star Trek, which is funny because I feel like Bill's never seen Star Trek, but... Wait, so we... Ben is from Star Wars? Yeah, when he dies. Like the least favorite thing from Star Wars.

The least famous thing from Star Wars. This is what people said. The... A lot of people threw in Breaking Bad for it was like, Walter Hank, but I think that's also just the name thing. These aren't even close to like Stella and Adrian and Kevin. I'm just going through them, but there's one, there's one that I think is actually above everything we talked about.

Craig's bad. I am. It's fine, Craig's mad. There's one, though, that we missed that I think is actually number one of the list. Okay. And it's, Wells! Oh, yeah. I think that's the number one all the time.

Oh, you think? He's screaming at a volleyball. I think it's in the top tier. Adrian is the number one, I think. I think Wilson. I don't know how to compare it because Rocky's just a larger movie. That's the most famous.

Let's do a poll. It's just perfect poll. Among people that are alive right now. Right. We can't pull those who have passed on. Stella is probably an older generation. Yeah. the generation. I think, yeah.

Let's just pull it. Adrian's probably the answer. Let's pull it. Let's do Adrian, Kevin, Stella, and Wilson. Ooh. Adrian. Yeah. Adrian, Kevin, Stella, Wilson. Yeah.

Okay. Go vote on Spotify. If you're not on Spotify, go to Spotify. Smash that. That's the top tier. Yeah. That's the top tier. Give us those stars.

Yeah. Love those stars. No, we don't want stars to you. Want them subscribe to the YouTube channel. Right. We'll do both. How about? Do the YouTube channel first.

Okay. We also talked about strange conglomerates. We're launching an OnlyFans next month. So stay tuned. Don't even get me started. You can make a lot of money. I was just reading about the CEO of OnlyFans. The Wallsheet Journal just did an article on him.

He's like a recluse. There's like one photo of him. He's like a normal guy. He's like 40-year-old like regular-ass guy. And there's very few. His very little internet footprint doesn't make public appearances. That sounds like somebody who would invent OnlyFans. Somebody who knows.

how to scrub his entire search history from the internet. There you go. So, I don't remember how we got in this conversation. We were talking about strange. Oh, it started with Bick. Right. Made razors and pens. And we just talked about weird things.

And anyway, we asked for strange conglomerates. Got email from Patrick. Peabone. Who, I don't know. He wrote in four, he said, four cups of coffee and a dart for breakfast, which I like that. People started emailing in that.

I'm telling you the breakfast thing plays. Damn, four cups of coffee and a dart. This guy's his eyes are just vibrating. If you email us at ringer fancy football general.com said your breakfast. This man fucking flew to work. You know what I mean? This guy looks like hell. But he's a good, but he's good at what he does.

So remember that Gene Hackman when he was 35? Remember that Cliff Kingsbury Thursday football game where he looked like SpongeBob all dried out? Like he just looked dead? I think I would die if I had four cups of coffee and a cigarette to start my day. I don't drink coffee. I think I would die. It used to be America. I mean, for what it's worth, I drink like a pot of coffee every morning, so I can't really talk.

A pot? Yeah, like a three-quarter pot, something like that. How much, is it like weak coffee or strong coffee on average? I don't know. How many three-fold mugs? But how, is it, how many scoops are you putting in the coffee machine? I just, I eyeball it. I just pour.

You eyeball it every day? I pour and pour until it feels right. stud. Yeah. Wow. I go through a lot of coffee because I think I go, I think I'd go hard on the coffee. I don't want, I don't want weak shit, you know? What kind of, I mean, you're in the coffee capital of the world.

What kind of coffee are you drinking? It's like some organic company, the organics. It's like organic is in the name. Dude, shout out counterculture. Counterculture's good coffee. Organics, maybe is what it is. I drink cappuccinoes in Italy. Craig, so you drink coffee?

I did. I had a coffee every morning. What was it like? What was it like? You loved it. You know what I learned. Did you smoke a dart too? I should have.

I balanced out the coffee with an apparel spritz 30 minutes later. No, but to be honest, so I drink matcha, which is like 50 to 60 milligrams of caffeine. But you famously don't drink coffee and never have it. Correct. I've never drank coffee. This is the first time you've ever drank coffee? I mean, like, I've like had coffee before, but yes, consistently waking up in the morning, yes. But I asked a waiter, I was like, how much, I was like, is it a single shot or a double shot of espresso in a Italian cappuccino, in a regular cappuccino. He was like, it's just a single

shot. And I looked it up, and it's like 60 to 70 milligrams of caffeine. I guess it ingest differently than macha or whatever. But to be honest, I didn't feel any different in a good way. Like I drank it. I enjoyed the taste. Went about my day. And now maybe I'm going to be a cappuccino on vacation guy. I think, yeah. I'm not going to let it infiltrate my life just yet. I don't think that coffee, like, it probably literally does have an impact. But like, I can drink a pot of coffee and then take a nap. Like it doesn't like wake me up. Yes.

Yeah, I don't, I'm not that type of person. I don't have any problem drinking coffee at night and then not sleeping. Like it, I just, it doesn't. Did it affect your, your bowels,

Craig? Did it help with me? Because I think at this point, I've always been, if I stopped drinking coffee, that would be half my problem. He's a regular guy. I've always been fairly regular,

to be honest. I have a pretty tight routine. Right. That's why, that's why I'm wondering. It's a good test case. No, it didn't affect anything.

And also, my wife, Liz is a big ice coffee drinker, but in Italy, they don't do that. It's like, it's hard to find ice coffee. Like sacrilege, right? Both of us were just like, and I was not going to order a goddamn macho latte in Italy. So I just, we just crushed cappuccino, and it was great. And it was hot as hell in Italy, and I was just waking up, starting my day with a scalding hot cappuccino.

Just sweating. It was great. You're sweating. How is Florence? How is Florence? Florence was amazing. The art history was just like, you know, I've never really done anything like that, traveling. And so, yeah, we saw the David.

We went to the Uffizi, which is the oldest modern museum in the world. We got really lucky with a tour guide who, in the Uthesi for like 90 minutes, just like uninterrupted, just flew through the history of like the Renaissance, the Medici family, all this stuff. And it was just so fascinating. And he was like one of those tour guides who wasn't just like blowing smoke up Italy's ass. Like he was actually like, you know, because we had a walking tour guide of the city. And we did that first.

And that was all kind of like roses. and then we had this guy two days later and then he was kind of like, let me actually tell you what's going on. And it was a great balance. So it was very cool. And then our tour guide for the David was also great. Hyvitz, I did what you said.

Did you really? We cut that from the show because... Oh, is that right? Well, we went to see the David. Hyvitz was like, when you walk in, it's going to be at the end of a long, like, hallway. Don't look at it because it'll, like, disrupt the scales. Not how it's meant to be seen.

So I kept my eyes down the entire way. And I looked up right when I was below it. and it hit different. Dude, it makes me feel so happy that you actually did it. Liz was like, because it's the best statue of the world. It's the best culture in the world.

I mean, it's also the history, like the facts about how it was made. Even like when you look at him straight on, he looks confident. When you look at him from the side, he looks scared. It's, and how Michelangelo did it,

it's, it was very cool. The right hand or the left hand is like really massive. Huge. The hands in the head are bigger. Also, like, the way he carves out of stone

is different than every other sculptist or like, usually they make like a plaster replica so they can like work off that he, Michelangelo would just visualize He was just eyeballed it. He was just eyeball

He looked at the stone And be like, it's in there I just like how I pour my coffee Yeah Yeah exactly Just feels right, you know So I'm sure Michael Angela He's a lot of coffee

Yeah Once you add a dart Then you become a real Scull Anyway, what did this dude say? Four cups of coffee And a dart for breakfast Yeah, yeah, okay

Peabone Oh, I forgot We were reading an evening email, yeah, yeah. Wait, were you in the middle? No, it's fine. Yeah.

What, Italy? Do you have any other questions about Italy? What was, yeah, we might as well now and then. What was my what? Favorite meal.

I had a sandwich from this place that I probably won't be able to pronounce the name. It was like, Shiatiaiaia. That's right. It was a mortadella

pesto, strachia tella sandwich on fecatria is like the best thing ever had my life. Genuinely. Well, okay, okay. Tell me what's on the sandwich again. I wasn't listening with the intent of this is the best thing I'm It's very simple. It is Mortadella, which I'm a huge fan of. It's a pistachio cream. It's more. Mortadella is the meat that it sounds like a cheese. Yes, it's meat. It's honestly like baloney, kind of. But it's Mortadela. Italians are really gesticulating right now. It's mortadale. It's pistachio cream and it's dracietella, which is chief. T-Kids, they're gesticulating.

They're gesticulating in Italian somewhere right now. I wonder if they'll disagree. It is basically just like really good bologna. No, it is, yeah. It's very simple, just those two ingredients on the best bread ever. There's a little bit of a line. I ate at 90-degree heat on the streets of Florence, and it was... That's sick.

Was Florence your favorite city that you went to, or did you all go out of? Yeah, Florence, I mean, just like the culture, the history of Florence and all that stuff, like the people, the food, that was all great. But then I went to the coast. And we were in a city called Porto Ercoli, which is like an hour and a half off Rome. And swimming in the Mediterranean was as advertised. Like it easily lived up to the high. Beautiful water.

Yeah. It's incredibly salty, incredibly clear. And there's like no, there's like tiny little fish swimming at your feet at most. And it's just like a magical experience. I never wanted to leave. I'm glad he came back. I was a little worried. Yeah, that's great.

The Italians know what they're doing. Every day feels like a Saturday in Italy. Because you're on vacation. No, but just like, I'm just like, well, looking around. Everybody's just like, even in Milan, like, it was a, it was like a Tuesday in Milan, which is like a very metropolitan city. In the squares, right? And everybody's just like having lunch, hanging out, drinking.

Everybody drinks at lunch. It's great. Also, even though it's 90 degrees, everyone wears pants and I don't get it. Yeah. Yeah, no, there's shorts. You look very American if you look, if you wear shorts. I was wearing shorts. I was, Craig.

When I went to Italy back in the day, I was told. if you wear jeans, they're all going to look at you like you're a freak. Yeah, I did not wear any jeans. I did not pack any jeans. But then I got there and people were wearing jeans. But, dude, also like. It was actually called Golden Red, you were told it was a wide retriever and it was golden receiver. There's Italians wearing jeans.

Dude, also, just like the eating culture in Italy is so different, restaurants don't open until 7 p.m. Yeah. They don't open. Yeah, they all closed for like three hours. Like four to seven, they're all closed. Yeah, there are like shops that are open from 10 to one on a Saturday, closed from one to four. And then open back up again. Yeah.

So siesta. A restaurant basically doesn't start filling up until like 8.30. What a world. They got to figure it out. One of my biggest like culture shocks from being in Italy, which I'm sure this is like common knowledge now, but like the size of the meals are so much smaller there. Yeah. At least, especially when you don't go to like a tourist trap, right?

Yes. But like if you order a main course of pasta, it's like pretty small. And as American, you're like, what the fuck? like, I eat three of these. I know. I guess this is why this is five euro. Yeah. Also, you're like, is this why these people eat like this and are like real thin and live to 90? Because they're smoking four lung darts and four cups of coffee in the morning.

Ripping red wine. Yeah. Yeah. I think I read, I read recently that Italians are the, or maybe it was the French. Either way, like the European like culture around eating is so much like better. Like they're all so much skinnier. Like, the portion sizes are so much better. They walk everywhere. The walking, I think is the biggest thing. Something to be said about that European culture, guys.

The walking, I think is the biggest. Cities built around walking versus striving. It's just like if you live in Dallas or there's just certain, like a lot of city, like, you can't walk places in like Dallas or Houston. You know what I mean? Also, it was funny because anytime anybody asks where I was from, we'd say California or Los Angeles. And they usually be like, oh, man, like I really, oh, California.

Like, I really want to go to Los Angeles. And then the second thing they would say is, oh, Trump crazy like all of them where you from California oh Trump

dude that's that's that's what you got glad you said the city because if you see lead with I'm from America then they start with just Trump

one guy We were just like yeah crazy stuff going on yeah wild one guy was like I really want to go to a Laker game

in Los Angeles how much does it cost and I was like, well, you know, like 100 to 200 euro for a ticket. And he was like, are you fucking kidding me? No, that's kind of how it goes out here. Dude, I never went to a Lakers game when I lived in L.A. I still have never been to a Laker game. I've only been to Clippers games.

Because it's kind of like, am I going to spend this much to see the Utah Jazz, but then a good team comes and you're like, well, I don't have that kind of money. Seriously, if it's like Nuggets Lakers, it's like $400 to go. Yeah. Well, it sounds like a cool trip. It was really fun. when we were on a boat once in the Mediterranean in Porto-Earqually, there was a yacht

across from us. We were in like some tiny little tugboat that we paid like $20 for this little tour. Best money I'd ever spent. I would recommend it to anybody. But there was this yacht like 30 feet away from us. Man, it was like six people, like three older couples, dancing, blasting

Abba, holding drinks, ripping cigarettes, and just like diving into the water. They were like maybe in their mid-60s. Sick. This is crazy retirement plan. Jesus Christ, dude. they just hope you're as fun as that when you're that age. Like Liz and I were like, I can't believe like those people like they also just have one life and that's what they're choosing to. Like this is like they are this is just what they chose.

Like I too could maybe not on a yacht, but like they're just living. You have free will. Yeah. This is just what they're choosing to do with their time. Yeah. I feel like that's such a natural reaction when you're on vacation to like when you see the way other people live in different countries. It's like, fuck. I mean, maybe they're like very loaded and I'm retired now and worked very hard, but man, that looked pretty great.

I went to Alaska, not quite the same as Italy. I saw, very cool. You sent some amazing picks when we got it. So I took the Alaska ferry up to Juneau. How long did that take? What's that? How long did that take? Three days.

The Alaska ferry for those that know is it's like the, it's like, what is it's it's like, what is it's called? The Alaskan highway, water highway or something like that, whatever it is. And because there's no roads to Juno. Like there literally is not a road that connects to another place in Juneau. You either have to fly there or go on the boat. And it's the Alaska Marine Highway is what I was looking for. But they, but it's like a, it's a commuter boat. So it wasn't like a cruise.

And so we just had like a really basic cabin. I just like hung out. We hung out in the boat. When you say three days from your home or the ferry is a three day trip to Juno? Yeah, the ferry is a three day trip to June. know from Bellingham. But it's like a commuter ferry, like the Staten Island ferry, but if Staten Island was 20 days away from New York.

It doesn't look like a commuter ferry, but it is in effect a commuter ferry. It's quite a bit bigger. Wow. But you had to book a room. Yeah. There's like, you can sleep on the deck if you want. There's actually option to like just pitch a tent on the back deck and you like duct tape the tent to the deck and sleep out in these like little tents or you can even go even more

hardcore or less hardcore depending on how you look at it. And there's just like deck passage where you sleep on these like. like reclining beach chairs. Underneath, they have like an overhang of like, it's like a solarium or whatever where they have heat lamps that come down at night. I was going to ask, what was the weather like on the... Well, we got lucky when we went because it was mostly sunny, which was really nice because Juno is one of the rainiest places in the country.

But the nice part is like the maritime highway goes up. It's like all interior waterways. So you're going up through fjords and whatnot. It's really beautiful. It's not like you're out on the open ocean. And there's a million like cruise ships that go up there too. Like that's that's how beautiful it is. It's like it can service.

It can it draws enough cruise ships for like when we were in Juneau. There was like four cruise ships a day coming in. You said it kept saying his pictures of like whales and just lake and mountains. And it was pretty beautiful. It was like everything you hear about Alaska is like, oh, it's the last great frontier. It's so beautiful. And I didn't even go to like Alaska proper. I went to southeast Alaska.

Like there's a whole other huge massive chunk. of Alaska further north. But it is like one of the most crazy beautiful places that have ever been. The waterways that you go through are just like mountains on every side. It's completely wildland for three days straight, basically. Rangel was really beautiful. Petersburg was really beautiful. We stopped in these places for like an hour or two, whatever.

But yeah, it was fun. But when we went up to Juno, speaking of yachts, the big rumor was that J.K. Rowling's yacht was in the Juno Harbor. It was like a bunch of fishing boats and like tour boats and then this massive mega yacht. Everyone was like, what the fuck is this? Like, Jake Rally named her boat? I don't know. Like the anti-woke boat or something? Specto Patreon.

I don't know. That does rhyme, doesn't it? Anyway, should we read the email from Peebone? Yeah, Peebone. Okay, yeah, right. Sorry, thanks for patience, Pee. Weird conglomerates. And Patrick writes, I own a husk varnah chainsaw, arguably best in the game.

Okay. Flex. I know. Patrick says I was shocked to learn one evening. My wife's sewing machine is also a husk varna. Wow. Chainsaws and sewing machines. And then he, I know, chainsaws and sewing machines. So he was said for the ex-execennial listeners, the older millennials, DK is right,

we all learn a shave with the Bick disposable razors, the blue ones. Bick your head. The last thing I want to hate here is people emailed in about Craig's urge to rebrand meatloaf. Yes. I got actually a lot of emails and texts about the meat love thing. So Gustavo emailed in and said, I wasn't sure if you wanted breakfast, which is a cup of coffee,

or my favorite bad player, which was Dominic Rhodes. I want breakfast. Dominic Roads? Just a cup of coffee. We asked for, yeah. All right, breakfast. We asked also maybe who's your favorite player that was not actually good.

Yeah. Anyway, so Gustavo suggested meat sheet. I thought that was way worse. Meat what? Meat sheet. Meat sheet. I thought that was bad. Meat sheet?

Yeah, I don't like that. Okay. For meat loaf. Someone else suggested meat cake. Meat sheet. What about beef? What about beef cake? Drake?

Well, David suggested beef cake. That's like a double entendre right there. Exactly. David suggested among others. Beefcake, lumberjack loaf, lifters loaf, German meatball, beef bread,

Bulkers bread, or reconstructed roast. Bulkers bread. Bulkers bread is funny. Meat sheet. I've stuck on meat sheet, so I think it actually does work. Meat sheet.

Meat sheet. Beef bake. Beef bake. Beef bake. I like lumberjack loaf. German meatball. German meatballs is easy. You throw German meatball on a menu.

People order that. I feel like I'm, I feel like it's like gold members. Lifter's loaf. Volker's bread. Reconstructed roof. Blitz at a bump? Did people agree with me though that meatballs and meatloaf are kind of similar and that a good meatloaf is not that different than a good meatball?

So Nick answered the question. Nick figured this out. Nick, Nick's email here. Nicky and bone. Nick says, I think the problem here, no, that's terrible. Nick says, I think the problem here is Hyphitz is thinking like a traditional, like a southern meatloaf with maybe barbecue sauce or ketchup. Catch up. That's what I'm thinking.

My mind's experience with meatloaf is like he has ketchup on it, which is. My mom's probably listening and I'm sorry, mom, but meatloaf sucks. She just puts ketchup on it. I'm not hanging out with the pores. Yeah. Nick says, I grew up in an Italian household. My mom's meatloaf recipe is exactly the same as their meatballs, but love. form. She would sometimes add sauce,

mozzarella cheese. This is a perfect, it's sometimes ricotta. This is, my mom's meatballs are incredible. My mom's meatloaf sucks. They're not the same thing. And I'm realizing I get why you'd love meatloaf if it was the meatball recipe. That makes sense. Well, just tell your mom next time, just make a bunch of meatballs and flatten them out. You're done. So all this coming

around to, here is how we rebrand meatloaf. We figured it out. Someone has the right name. Okay. It's Dan. Debonne. Danny. The obvious rebrand for meatloaf is to just go Italian with the name. The Italian word for loaf

is Pagnata, pronounced roughly Paniata. Like a pannata. A beef pannata sounds far better than meatloaf and a nice restaurant could put it on the menu. Have a nice panata. Paniata is easily aware. Beef pannata. I would argue you could even maybe get rid of beef.

Just call pannata. Don't call it beef. What's the Italian word for beef? Don't know. Craig, you were just there. should know that. Is it just beef? French just beef. I should know that.

Manzo? That seems wrong. Manzo? That's really good though, Dan. Yeah. Yeah. Good job, DeBone. Dan just kind of crushed.

Carmine almost emailed in. Also, Carmine just... Carmi. Okay, we got to do with Carmi. Carmi. Oh, I just started... I'm four episodes into the bear of the new season. I bailed halfway through season three.

I'm good. Craig has washed his hands. He's washed his hands. I heard it's not good. show. He's like, I'm done. I get it.

Anyway, Carmi says his wife makes four mini meatloves. I think mini, I think mini panatas is the move. Combine these. Meatloves are too big. It's just too much meat.

Four mini meatloves? It's like, it's like cupcakes instead of cake. So they're like little beef brownies. Bingo. Panitas. Beef brownies.

So make them in a Cupkits. Beef cakes. Beef cupcakes. Beef cake. Beef cupcakes, yeah. All right. Anyway.

I just, yeah. Yeah. Can I admit something to you guys? I was debating doing this, but I'm like, you know what? I'm not afraid of my, of my, you know, ignorant thoughts or or just mental lapses, things I didn't realize. I did not know that the David, the statue in Florence from Goliath. Is David and Goliath? I did not know that.

When did you figure out? I thought it was a sexy man named David. I did. I thought it was just. in the fucking museum immediately like how long into the museum were you there

where you're like oh it's from the beginning of the tour and our guy was like you know David to David and Goliath and I turned to Liz and I was like

David this is from David and Goliath the New York financier Jeff Jeff Epstein Dave Goliath Jeff I didn't know that

and I'm not afraid to admit that I genuinely this thought it was like a guy him day. I think that's fine. I thought you were going to say you went through the entire museum and left and found out later. I thought it would be incredible.

If you were going to say like you thought Michelangelo was a turtle that had been hit by sludge, toxic sludge. Then we have a problem on our hands. Then we could talk. Yeah, like I didn't realize the slingshot in his hand, which you can't see super well that that would like the slingshot

Goliath. I didn't know that. So. That's funny. I like that. If any of the brave soul, listening? If you didn't know it was David and Goliath, email. I think that's fine. Back him up. You know, I

someone frequently defends himself for not having seen movies 30 years before I was born. I don't think you need to know about like the origin of a statue made 500 years ago. That's like 5,000 miles from where you live. That's okay. Also, is it David? If you had made it through the whole thing, I would be fine. Or like, what did

Michelangelo actually call it? Probably David. Right. It's my guess. Yeah, right. Well, I don't know. just check it. I don't know either. Yeah, it's like when you like don't understand a language and it's like Italian, Italian, Italian, Italian, David. And then Italian, David. Italian, Italian, Italian, right, right. Dude, that's kicking and screaming. Like, how do you say spaghetti in Italian? Spaghetti. Oh.

So you say pasta. Pagetti. No, I don't know. It's easy. I'm trying to find this out now. What? How to say David? Hell, yeah. I'm wondering if there's like, because like, you know, the town. Like even like Florence. They don't call it Florence.

Oh, it's Forens. Ferenz. Yeah, I learned that it's Assassin's Creed like everyone else. We just fucking give them English names, you know? Well, all names are just made up. True. All, all words are made up, really. Yeah.

Anyway, I think it's closer to David. All right. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you, Kai. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, everyone for listening. Subscribe to the YouTube channel, which is in the description. If you want to go to the New York Live show, Wednesday, 10 a.m. Eastern,

the ringer.com slash events. We'll also have that link in the episode description. That's Wednesday, July 9th. It will go on sale for Tuesday, August 19th. That's enough gloves. Thank you, Lord. Lord. Thank you, Descendants, which is a show I just went to in Portland last weekend.

I thought you're going to say Oasis, but yeah. Oasis, sure. Why not? Descendants? Yeah, what's up at that? It's like just an old school punk band. I went to punk in the park in Portland. You still got it, M.

Let me just say, you still got it. I don't get. What is the difference. between punk and rock and punk rock or is punk rock just short for punk rock is it a different thing punk rock it's just a it's a it's a philosophical difference punk is like you know you're anti-establishment and rock is the establishment rock is the establishment rock is the establishment i thought rock was originally anti-establish this is why we get confused i think in the eyes of punk rockers rock is establishment. Because rock started as the rebellion, but then became mainstream. And so punk rock is like

what it's like punk rock is just a different sound. It's like distorted guitars. There's some Scott, you know, in there. And it's just a different, it's a totally different vibes. The genre is different. So in Veep, when Jonah's like, these guys would never sell out, like, that's punk rock. Like, if rock stars didn't sell out, that's the idea. I think generally, yeah, like, you have much more respect if you don't sell out and like join a big label or whatever. A lot of punk guys like no effect started their own label and have like a lot of punk bands on that. Best punk bands are bands you've never heard of. Yeah.

Right. I saw them live way before they, you ever heard of them. I'm still interested in the idea that selling out went from the worst thing you could do to the American dream in like 12 years. Like the goal now is to be like, God, if I can only sell subway ads. I know. How do we have advertised literally anything?

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