The Ringer NFL Show - Vikings-Bears Reaction + Week 2 Waivers

Episode Date: September 9, 2025

The guys react to Monday Night Football featuring the debut of  J.J. McCarthy on the Vikings and Caleb Williams’ first game with Ben Johnson as the Bears coach.  Next, SHOWDOWN TIME! Must-add players at each position ahead of NFL Week 2. (0:00) Intro(1:49) Monday Night Football(26:41) RB Waivers: Dylan Sampson (Browns), Trey Benson (Cardinals), and Bhayshul Tuten (Jaguars)(43:22) WR Waivers: Cedric Tillman (Browns), Hollywood Brown (Chiefs), and Kayshon Boutte (Patriots)(01:01:09) TE Waivers: Harold Fanin Jr. (Browns) Brenton Strange (Jaguars), and Juwan Johnson (Saints)(01:18:18) QB Waivers: Daniel Jones (Colts)(01:20:09) D/ST Waivers: Seahawks, Patriots, and Buccaneers Check out our 2025 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here!Email us! [e-mail] The all-new Hyundai Palisade Hybrid. Get started today at HubSpot.com The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig HorlbeckProducers: Kai Grady, Carlos Chiriboga, and Ronak Nair Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Hypertz. And I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Coralbeck, and we're going to go through our must-add players on waivers for fantasy football after week one. But first, going to recap Monday Night Football. Weird game. Going to yell about Caleb Williams, J.J. McCarthy. Going to go through all our waiver picks because a lot of important players happen,

or important players that change your season get added after week one. Quick thing with our schedule. We're coming to you on Sunday. We're recording Sunday nights for months. God, Craig, you see the schedule. So we're going to be recording after Sunday night. putting that episode up immediately. We're recording after the Monday night game,

which we're doing right now, and that will go up immediately. And then we'll be doing power hour, Wednesday mornings, and our preview show on Friday mornings. Follow us on Instagram and TikTok, Ring our Fantasy Football. And email us Fantasy Courts, too.

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waiver picks, and then a bunch of dumb stuff at the end. Well, I don't know if we're going to keep it or cut it because it was crazy. But anyway, we'll stick around. See, I don't know how much after the episode happens. We yelled a lot about West Coast time. Anyway, here's the show.

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Vikings beat the Bears 2724. Craig, you just told me you have a first take question you want to throw at, D.K. That's right. Maybe it's last take because it's the end of the night, and we're recording on Monday night for the first time. Welcome. D.K. I already know what you're going to ask.

Do you? What am I going to ask? What are you? Who are you picking if you pick between? between JJ and Caleb Williams. You're goddamn right. I know you too well, I'm not saying for this year for tomorrow,

I'm saying for their careers right now. You can have J.J. McCarthy or Caleb Williams? Who are you picking? It's so funny because JJ, he looked like absolute fucking dog shit for the first like three quarters of this game. And then absolutely turn it on in the fourth quarter. I'm having a very hard time trying not to, like,

figuring out whether I should stick to my priors on Caleb Williams or just fucking give up because he looked pretty bad in this game again. I mean, I think he made some decent throws. McCarthy or Caleb. They both had some three. Caleb made some decent throws. And he didn't get sacked in the same manner

that he was getting sacked last year. I think he had one real sack in this game. Plus he stepped out of bounds on that play. That was pretty dumb. But so there was signs of improvement. But the long story short, I'm starting to lose my faith in Caleb Williams a little bit, I would say.

And so I'd probably take JJ at this point. It's tough, though, because they both are... I'm proud of you for answering that question. It felt like you weren't going to answer. So thank you for answering. I do appreciate that. I mean, look, I also went on record and saying, I think JJ's going to work this year.

I think it's going to be good. So... This was really a game of two halves. I don't remember that because it was in the take perch, but yeah. This was a game of two halves. The Bears came out, marched right down the field, scored a touchdown. The Vikings looks terrible.

J.J. McCarthy had like 56 yards passing for basically three quarters. Had the worst pass of the day with the pick six to Justin. and then turned it on. Three touchdowns in the fourth quarter. I would say the number one thing that stood out to J.J. McCarthy to me, I think he played okay. I mean, it's his first game. I thought he played okay. Shook off the rest. He shook off the rust. I thought he made a couple good throws.

He had a nice scramble at the end. To me, it was the intangible stuff I felt like you could feel. And it seemed like people on the side, and it's a good mirror to Caleb, honestly, because you could feel it on the sideline that the offensive linemen like JJ, that the teammates like him, it felt like a more cohesive team. And you could see him hyping up the team on the sidelines

when they weren't on the field when the offense wasn't on the field. He was dapping up as offensive linemen, which to me is kind of the opposite, even though the Bears started the game really well. The Bears marched right down the field. They scored touchdown. Caleb has an awesome scramble,

gets in the end zone. And I just watched Tom Brady this week talk about this. I think it was with Dan Patrick. I can't remember. And he was talking about how when there's a touchdown, the quarterback better celebrate with his offense. line. Caleb did not do that. Where were they? They weren't near him and he didn't go up to him.

It was him. He did like a thing with Alameday Zakias and then they ran back to the sidelines. People were hitting his helmet and he went and sat down alone. And to me, those are the two differences between Caleb Williams and J.J. McCarthy. Honestly, I thought they both had great moments and bad moments tonight. Unfortunately, Caleb's better moments were kind of at the start of the game and J.Js were at the end of the game, which matters more, obviously. But I thought the stuff outside the lines was way more impressive for JJ McCarthy. I don't look, I, you might be right. Like that might be what, what is happening. That just feels incredibly anecdotal. Like, it's just like you saw this on the broadcast like one time. You know what I mean?

Like, I saw that too when JJ was hyping up his teammates. Like, that's cool. But we didn't watch him the whole game. When you say the scouting report on JJ McCarthy versus the scouting report on Caleb Williams is like, and I know it, sure, I guess you. you could argue, oh, sure, it's Jim Harbaugh talking about how great JJ McCarthy is. What's he going to say? But I would say that a lot of the narratives around J.J. McCarthy was like about the, he's a gamer, the, like, the teammate. He's a lovable guy in the locker. And the second he's on the, like he's at practice. He is a leader. Caleb was never, you never heard that shit about Caleb. It was always about his talent, which he definitely clearly has raw talent. But you never

heard about the other stuff with Caleb. Yeah, I mean, I think generally that's true. I would say get some try hard vibes from J.J. McCarthy. Like trying hard to win? I mean, you know who the biggest try hard ever is is Tom Brady? No, Russell Wilson. Another guy won a Super Bowl. I'm saying, I don't know. I am trying to be balanced and fair on this because I think we can make this mistake

where it's like you see a few things happen during a game and it's like you're making these sweeping judgments. And it also comes on the heels of this article that is making, the rounds right now, which I feel like is painting your perception of him quite dramatically. Yeah. So, yeah. Let's get, we can mention the article in a second. I do want to just, Caleb's game, I want to give a compliment sandwich first to Caleb

Williams. So, like, again, the whole question, coming out of the draft, everything, incredible improviser, Mahomes-esque with the improv, cool, you could do that in the PAC 10 or PAC 12, RIP, whatever, the PAC two. But can you do it in the NFL? And then basically the question with Ben Johnson is, can you get Caleb Williams to play on time and rhythm and in office. Compliment sandwich.

Caleb Williams completed his first 10 passes. Now, I think he looked, Caleb looked a little uncomfortable in structure tonight. I think there were like design passes, even on the opening drive where he probably had a touchdown of Roma Dunesley in the first drive, missed it, a couple ones he missed. However, even if he wasn't totally comfortable in the offense, he was getting the ball out. Caleb Williams issue with the 67 sacks, the third most sacks in a single season last year, was he held the ball for like three and a half seconds. That's not a thing in the NFL.

You can't hold the ball for three and a half seconds in the NFL. like clearly Ben Johnson's gotten through to Caleb but getting the ball out. That I think 10 passes is awesome. I don't think it looked great in structure and this is the weird part. The pre-snap penalties were bizarre and I know it now it's football season

because I'm saying penalties and I can barely say that word. But the pre-snap penalties were really weird. The Bears by far led the NFL last year and like false starts and all the stuff. Caleb tonight, I mean, the four fall starts in the first half, which is just bizarre. Like they were at home.

That's what you see. with young quarterbacks on the road. And it wasn't the offensive line. Like, there were ones where the two linemen would jump off. Like, his cadence was weird. He, the motioning. Caleb, the whole game had trouble motioning receivers, including the last play, the Hail Mary.

He motioned DJ Moore wrong and snapped it. Like, that's high school football. He snapped at the ball hit. Well, no, no, I'm saying he snapped. He called, he, I don't know. Well, no, no. You're saying, here's why. He had four false starts.

No, no, no. Here's why, D.K. I just think it's. I mean, yeah. Here's why. I'm talking to this. So the elephant in the room here is Tyler Dunn at Go Long on Substack had a giant article, a three-part series about Caleb Williams and the Bears.

And it is a mammoth piece. It's very divisive. It has 32 anonymous sources, which on one hand, anonymous sources, many of which are coaches that frankly Caleb Williams got fired from last year's Bears staff. So it is frankly a lot of anonymous sources. with axes to grind. The flip side is 32 people is an incredible amount of sources for a story. So it is on one hand, I think described as a hit piece on Caleb Williams.

On the other hand, it seems directionally correct. However, it is, I think the objective way to describe it is, it is very much a response to Caleb's quote to the Seth Wickersham book that is coming out this month, where Caleb said he wasn't coached by the Bears last year. And incredibly, Caleb is on record in a. book after his rookie year where he lost 10 games in a row, got the whole staff fired. Caleb's on record saying he's often scored and was not coaching him. He's going to watch film.

No one's helping him. I just turned the shit on. No one helps me. This article is very much like overtly the coach's response to the fact that Caleb threw them under the bus in a book. Was he on record or was that what he had heard what Seth the Wickersham had heard? Caleb's on record. Let me pull it up to make sure I don't get this shit wrong.

but Caleb is on record in the book saying that he wasn't getting... In the article, in the title of the article. The anonymous coaches basically rebut that and say, you don't think we were fucking trying to make Caleb Williams good? Like, you can track the iPad out. You can track the tablet to see how much he's looking at the film. He wasn't looking at his tablet. He was on the wrong page.

It's like a Marcus Russell thing. We put it, you know, we gave him a blank tape and then he said he watched it. It is the epitome of you need, there's three sides to a story. And so I don't want to take the stuff in this article as gospel. How, like, it is literally anonymous sources from people who got fired. Having said that, the anecdotes from this article are so damning. They're closer to, like, accusations. I actually, I can't believe how many things I wrote down that I was shocked by in this article.

But the too long don't read is basically the idea that Caleb Williams is exactly what you think the first massive NIL athlete would be, in that he's the first giant college player underclassman Heisman who got paid $10 million in college. Everything was handed to him. And then the Bears coddled him as an organization. It paints the GM Ryan Poles as a frankly like very weak guy who just like took a hit piece against Ryan Poles. It is. Ryan Poles is the only one who comes out looking horrible on every side.

Ryan is the GM. And basically it paints that Ryan Poles took him because the media wanted. He was afraid of the backlash. However, I know we're just talking about this right now. I kind of want to go through. One of the themes throughout is the lack of preparation that Caleb Williams had that all the coaches paint, including a complete inability to motion players. And that they literally, I'm going to, this is a quote from this article. And it is an anonymous quote.

I totally understand that. However, this blew me the fuck away. Ask anybody, one coach says, we had the worst Friday practices in the history of the. NFL every Friday. And the idea being that Caleb was on the wrong page of playbooks on Friday and Saturday during walkthroughs. Couldn't. And like, there's this theme from spring on that he couldn't motion receivers and get the snap right that DJ Moore and Mercedes-Lewis is 40, the oldest player in the NFL that wasn't a quarterback, wanted Caleb benched when they were like four and five because he couldn't motion players. And anyway, I encourage people if you want to go to

the substack to read it for yourself. If you're interested, I don't want to endorse or not. But that is why I bring up four fall starts in the first half when the pre-snap penalties was basically the Occam's razor to me is that all the issues the Bears had last year the coaches are like this guy wants to throw us

under the bus he was the least prepared player on the team. It's also hard because this is week one like if this was week eight I think this would be a much more serious conversation but it's kind of it's tough right. We have to talk about it.

It's like it's hard not to overreact If this was week eight, I would be very concerned. Right now, I'm like, all right, look, this is probably going to be a long process. Ben Johnson's offense is complex. Caleb has a lot to learn. And this is a Herculean effort. And if this works, Ben Johnson will be a hero in Chicago. And it's week one.

And there were moments that looked okay. And there were moments that didn't look okay. And the boring take is like, we'll see. Yes. The boring take is, it's not going to fucking happen overnight. Yeah, of course not. And like, he made a couple awesome throws. Like his outer structure stuff was amazing.

I thought he looked fast as shit tonight, Caleb. Yeah. He looked good. He flashed at times, honestly. And then he looked bad at other times. Like, you know, just like every other fucking quarterback this week, except for Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. So it was just like, I don't know.

I feel like this whole thing has been colored very significantly by this article that came out, which, you know, I was talking to you guys about offline. I just found the whole article pretty gross, like the way it was written so dramatic. It was very dramatic and hyperbolic. over the top like gossip basically. And this is, you know, nothing against the article.

I just found it, nothing against the author, I should say, I just found it gross reading it because it was, I don't know, like some of the quotes were very, they very much smacked of like the anonymous quotes from scouts and Bob McGinn. Like,

oh, he's raised by women, blah, blah, blah, like some of these quotes that have come out over the years. It's just like terrible fucking like old boomer takes on football. like young kid football players and stuff.

And I'm just like, I don't know. The whole thing just felt kind of gross to me, frankly. But basically where we landed when we were talking about is like the truth is probably somewhere right in the middle, right? Like it's, I don't disbelieve that this was a total fucking mess last year and that some of it had to do with Caleb Williams's preparation. I believe that part of it. I just thought some of the quotes were just like completely over the top. I think Hyphids put it well. Like I think it was directionally correct.

I think the sentiment of the giant piece is probably accurate. Whether you get into the nitty gritty, you can probably, you know, pick some nits. But 32 anonymous sources. It's a staggering number. What does that number mean? Like, who are they? It means 32 guys that have some source on this? Like, what does that mean to me?

No, I'm saying, well, it's 40,000 word story over like three stories. But 32 people means it's not like four people who are. dramatic Kayla Williams. It means he talked to 32 people connected to the situation, which frankly, it's really hard. But then he's sharing anecdotes from one person, not like they all said this. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. Like there was one where it was like, it was clear to everyone that he's not an alpha male and they made in the captain. You have to be able to read through the lines. Like there was one that was like multiple sources indicate there's evidence that he's dyslexic. I'm like, okay. That part was bizarre.

And it was like, and then they were blaming the, the source in the article was blaming polls for hiding this dyslexia from the coaches. And they're like, they knew and they didn't tell us. They didn't do anything. To be honest, that makes sense to me. But that's true. So we don't know if Caleb Williams is dyslexic, but that is part of the article. Is the article at the law says, just the whole part, it was just ridiculous to me.

But here's it. But there were the claiming he's dyslexic. And honestly, it's kind of simple to me. Either that's wrong and it's kind of bizarre. It's in the article. But if you talk to 32 people, I would have. imagine he did due diligence. If it's true that the GM knew the starting quarterback number one pick was dyslexic

and didn't tell the head coach, that's kind of fucking crazy. And the job is to teach him. It's like harder than fucking school. Well, yeah. And the reason why he withheld it is because the article says that polls didn't want it to get out. And then that basically docs Caleb for being dyslexic. And then Caleb would then refuse to go to the bears. The amount of information a quarterback has to digest this week, like on actual physical

each week on cards and everything. and like literally you're visually teaching them. And there's an example where they're like, we had a coordinator once who was dyslexic. We don't care they just fucking dyslexic, but they were like, instead of visually flipping cards, they just wrote left or right on it.

They're like, it's an easy fix. It's just like you work with the person. Anyway, it's just the specificity adds up over time. And again, we don't even know if that's true, but if it is, that's staggering. And it's also just, at the very least, if you don't believe that Caleb character assassinations, the bears as an organization look horrific.

However, the reason we're talking about this, right, Why are we arguing about whether an anonymous source article? Here's why. I want to read one section that there's a theme, but this part, they're like during one, this is about last season with the Bears, during one routine walk through the night before Chicago's rematch with Detroit, inside the team hotel, Williams flubbed four of the first eight play calls. The formation was backwards, or he forgot to motion a player, or he botched a shift.

We were like, oh my gosh, he still can't get the shit right. This is like after the coaches were fired. And so the point being, there's this theme from April on that Caleb can't, basically, they're implying that he's not putting in enough work to actually, or maybe there's like a learning issue or whatever, but he's struggling to motion players. And the snap count, the other thing is that they killed an NFL snap count that has a color and a number. And he wanted ready set go, which was what the bears did all year.

And they were saying one of the offensive line issues with the bears was that all the pass rushers knew when his fucking snap count was because they were like hands with the ready set go. So the point being he simplified everything and that there were false start issues. so when the game tonight happens with a new coaching staff and in both halves, the first false start was based on motioning a player. The last play of the game, you're running a Hail Mary, and he motions a player and he's like, no, no, no, no, go back.

And he did it twice in this game. He motioned a player and was like, no, no, no, go back. So I'm just saying this article, maybe it's bullshit. But this article is like he couldn't motion a player all year. And then Ben Johnson comes in and Caleb Williams has two different plays that can't motion a guy. And I'm like, what the fuck is going on? You never see that any other game, any other week.

You see that twice in a game. I can't remember. You don't see procedurals shit all the time constantly. What are you talking about? I'm just saying he didn't do that. You see this in every fucking game. Receiver. That's a weird, like, I would not.

Yeah. I think we're, we're very lenient with Caleb. I feel like for him being the number one overall pick, we're being very lenient with what, how developed he is right now and how good. he looks. All I'm saying, D.K. is, I don't know necessarily what to do with this article, but it's interesting that, like, the most specific possible complaint immediately came up when the game was on the line. You said, like, that's all I'm saying. It just to me,

yeah, I understand. I understand that. I'm, I just, I guess I'm, I'm, maybe lenient is not the right word. I would, what I would say is, like, I just don't know, like, if it was his fault. That's what happened. That's all. What? Do you talk about tonight? Yeah. But the motion is, you know, it's all a blend of everybody. Again, I think if this is we. this is a way bigger issue. It's week one. Ben Johnson has a complicated offense. It's like, give it some time and we'll see. I would say this showing for him was like a C plus. We'll see. I agree with that. We'll see. And again, people can go and read the article if they want. I will say this. It is not great at the very

least that all these people were willing to go on the record against it. Like, that is not awesome. Well, they didn't go on the record. I'm sorry. Well, they think, okay, but like, Like, a lot of, 32 people that wanted to talk some shit. We're about to talk shit. How many coaches, how many quarterbacks get coaches fired a lot? Yeah. How many end up having almost three dozen try to like throw them under the fucking bus? The narrative, coming out of last year, after everyone got fired, after Everflus and Waldron, all of them got fired.

And then the Wicker Shem thing, the little blurb came, it was like, everyone was saying, wow, the Bears. ruined Caleb Williams. It was all on the coaches. My God, the guy didn't know. Shane, are we live Waldron? How many times do we throw him under the bus?

And it was like, my God. That was, that was not us. That was fucking. That was Jackson Smith and Jay's. That's not our fucking fall. But the entire thing about like,

oh my God, they didn't even tell him what film to watch. I can see an entire coaching staff that has been defenestrated, getting a little upset at like, you don't think we told him what film to watch? Are you fucking kidding me? You don't think we tried to make this guy good again? and have him prepare?

It is. The fuck. We're NFL coaches. Of course we're trying to prepare. It is whatever you want to call it. Gossip, palace intrigue, whatever it is.

The truth is it will hang over the bear season until he improves. It's week one. Honestly, maybe the bears just look fucking awesome next week. So we'll see. I would like to say,

even before we all talked about this, I've already kind of given up on him. So I just, I wanted that to be clear. He didn't choose J.J. McCarthy at the beginning of last take. That's true. All that says,

I was still kind of bothered by just the whole article and the bluster. That's probably, you know. That's fine. Of the quadrant of do you believe in Caleb? Yes or no? Do you believe this article? Yes or no. The most honorable is the article's bullshit, but Caleb sucks.

Like, you're trusting your eyes and your heart. I don't know if it's bullshit. Again, I just think it's probably, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. I just think I really want Caleb to be good. I think we all want him to be good. I said he'd be like Aaron Rogers again. I loved Caleb Williams. If Tyson Baygent played tonight and if it was like,

If it was Tyson Bajent that did everything that Caleb did tonight, I feel like we'd be like, yeah, that was a backup performance. That was a Tyson Bajent performance. That's pretty good. That's the one of the things the article says is that D.C. Moore wanted Bajent to play. Well, because apparently Bajent is like dialed in on the playbook and is very prepared. And knows what he's like. Bajit had, let's see here, six, three touchdowns, six picks last year,

average six yards per attempt, 71 rating. It's not like he was out there fucking lighten it up either. Well, he wasn't the first overall pitch. It's supposed to be the best player of all time. Yeah, I don't know. Let's just have some context here. No, I know. I feel like.

Everyone wants to replace the fucking starter with Evaca. That's all. I do trust Ben Johnson. With the number one receiver wants to do it, it's a huge fucking problem. Allegedly. That's not a fan. Yeah. I trust Ben Johnson and I do feel like by the end of the season,

this bear's offense will be serviceable. And I also think that Vikings fans are probably very mad at us right now for not talking about how the Vikings came back and won this game. They might be mad, but they're probably loving that. we're questioning the division rival should have taken JJ McCarthy. Like, man, let's be on anyway. What if JJ had ship shaped up in the fourth quarter there? So, okay, we're going to get now to waivers.

That's all we're going to talk about. Good win by the Vikings. Great win by the Vikings. He's looked great. What do you want to? We said McCarthy looked awesome. Kevin O'Connell dialed up an amazing second half. I thought the fourth quarter was that.

That quarter of the first play was sick. He looked terrible in the middle. He did. We should say, I'll shout out JJ McCarthy. First player since Cam Newton with two plus. passing touchdowns and one rushing touchdown in his NFL debut. I think it was also the first quarterback to overcome a 10-point deficit in the fourth quarter in their debut since Steve Young, which is funny to me because Steve Young is also another rookie who was like super not a rookie. Because like J.J. McCarthy missed his whole year.

And then Steve Young also went to, I think it was the USFL. So it's funny that that's the through line actually. It's so funny. The last two games that we've watched, Bill's Ravens and now Bears Vikings tonight, like just complete flip-flops halfway through the game. I mean, like, it was like, oh, the bills this year, huh? The Ravens are going to win the Super Bowl. Unstoppable, they lose. And then the first quarter of this game,

I was getting many texts being like Ben Johnson's a genius. It looks like he's doing it already. Caleb looks solid. Like, the bears are back. And then I was getting like, I'm ready to call it on J.J. McCarthy. J.J. McCartney doesn't have it. The pick six. He looked out of his depth, like for a little while there.

It just goes to show, you know. One half. It's a long games, four quarters. It's a long season. Let's settle in. as Craig said, it's pretty boring, but we'll see. It's pretty boring, but we'll see. I do think J.J. McCarthy wears too much eye black.

Yeah, but that's because he turns into a warrior on the field. It's like borderline in his mouth. Did you see? There was like a story about this today, Craig. He talked about putting on that war paint much and going out on. He looks like a little kid. Going out to battle. It looks like a little kid because he's 22.

I know, but the face paint, it's so much. It looks like it's just, he needs a little less, I think. But he looked good in the fourth quarter. Good job. The Ringer Fantasy Football shows brought to by Fandall football fans. Every NFL Thursday is your chance to hit the jackpot on Fandall

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Gambling problem? Call 1-800 gambler or visit RG-HELP.com. Call 1-88-78-9-77-7-7 or visit ccpg.org slash chat in Connecticut. Okay. We're going to get to waiver ads after week one. Yes, Craig. I was raising my hand for those listening. One quick thing before we move on.

Oh, no. Why did the, am I an idiot? The answer might be yes. It usually is why there was two minutes and two seconds left. The Bears kicked off to Minnesota. Why didn't they kick the ball out of bounds on the kickoff? Yeah, that was dumb. That, I, my guess, so just for those who don't know, basically there was two minutes and two seconds, but the bears had one time out.

But the way the two minute warning works, instead of on side, it would make sense to kick the ball out of bounds, make the Vikings run a play, two minute warning. Yeah. Run a second play, time out. Third down, run again. You save 40 seconds. You get the ball of a minute left, you get a field goal, you could really tie the game. Yeah, yeah. I think it's really simple.

I think they try to kick it out of the bounds and the kicker couldn't do it. Well, kick it sideways. Well, I think, so they should have kicked it out of bounds. Because now the touchback's at the 35. You kick it out of bound. The penalty is at the 40. I mean, remember that the power. Can you not kick it far enough?

You can't just kick it up. You can't kick it diagonally out of bounds? No, I'm saying I think the process, they, you don't practice that kind of situation very much. And I think their process was kick it out of bounds. They're like, all right. Like through the back of the end zone. Yeah, and I don't know if the kick, yes, through the back of the end zone.

And he didn't have a leg to do it? I think he screwed it up because I think if they knew it was going to be close or they it's either that or they just didn't think about it enough. And sometimes things don't get communicated. And someone might have not just piped up on the radio and be like, fucking kick it out of bounds. It is. Like potentially game losing.

Yeah, because if they kick it out of bounds, you get the ball to 40. Okay, bad field position. but you again first place two minute warning second play is like a minute 55 third play takes it down you get the ball back with like 55 seconds yes as opposed to 10 or whatever and instead they fucked it up and they had nine seconds and then kill williams snap the ball into jr more's face anyway all right i'm glad i'm not i just think the kicker did under the leg which is embarrassed it's nick i feel like kickers can always kick it out of the end zone if they want to is that nuts here's the thing i think there is like zero chance that the kicker was unaware he should just If the kicker just didn't know that and was like, I'll put it in the end zone. Like, that's crazy.

You see him kick it out of the end zone all the time. I know. Thought he could and didn't do it. Interesting up. Watched it. It's one of those you watch it. I think, you know,

Mike Vrabble every week for the Patriots. Well, the Titans and now the Patriots has a, I think it's called, it's called something funny. Like here's what the fuck up real or here's what not to fucking do real. And that's like the epitome of special teams. Like, here's what,

let's time, we're going to kick this out of bounds, put it to 40, kick it sideways. Yeah, yeah. Anyway. Okay, so we're going to go waivers. Week one, it's waivers.

It's a big deal. It's very important. You know, sometimes seasons are won and lost sometimes by guys you add in the first few weeks sometimes. So we're going to go through and we're going to pick up. What, you're laughing, Deke. What's so funny? No pressure. Geez, Louise.

Well, just say it's true. Caron Williams was pukutukita cool. These guys were week one pick sometimes. And like, I'm, you know. I hope I know who the league winners are this week. Well, yeah. So anyway, we're going to go through position by position. And here's what works.

we are going to try to simulate like waivers where only one of us is going to get a player. And we're all going to try to submit our best guy. And then we're going to see only one person is going to get them. And then you're going to like, oh, who's your second pick? Who's your third pick? And we're going to try to give you options to simulate because we don't know exactly who's available in your leagues to those listening. But we're going to try to give you basically our ranked thoughts. We also have dumb trivia questions that decide our waiver order on this show.

I forgot about, I kind of forgot about the shame involved with some of these guesses. Only you feel the shame. I feel a little bit of shame. I feel not, which is a probably pretty good representation. We know. Oh, no, I didn't know how many people, how many boats were a D-Day. Okay, who cares? Like, I'll never, I'll never get over the how much clouds way.

Yeah, that one's still pretty big. I literally guessed like three pounds. So the answer for those who don't know is a billion with a B. Did I guess zero? I think I was like zero. It doesn't weigh anything because it's fucking floating. Yeah. And I probably said,

five pounds and D.K said zero and I was like, I'm an idiot. It's obviously zero. And it was a billion. I would pause. There's no difference between five pounds and a million. That was where we learned. I think it was a billion. I think that's where we learned the difference in weight and mass.

But anyway. Right. Okay, I want to start with running backs here. DK, do you agree overall? I think it's a pretty weak, week at running back.

Yes. This isn't even my fan. I mean, week is maybe the, it's, there's a lot of ways you could go with it. And it's hard to pick number one. I would say the number one.

I found this to be somewhat light, somewhat thin. Yes. I thought it was the easy. Yeah. So who, if all the way, and again, we try to do like generally people who are available.

We try to do like 40-ish percent, but ESB and Yahoo sleeper, they all have different things. So we're going to try to guess. But D.K. with that said, of the running backs widely available, who's the number one player

you would have had off of waivers after week one. Dylan Samson for the Browns would be the guy. I think I would prioritize this week. There's a handful of others, but we'll start with him. Dylan Samson, who caught eight passes this week, which was really saved him

because on the ground, the Browns didn't really do anything. Can I give you a stat on that? Yeah. Before this week, four rookie running backs in NFL history had ever caught seven passes in their first game. He got eight.

Dylan Samson did it. He's the fifth. Joe Flacko, baby, the Kingmaker. Yeah. So, I mean, I had Dylan Samson, too. We can. I did as well. The Browns were making an effort

to get him the ball. An interesting stat is that he ran 11, fewer routes than Jerome Ford, and yet Jerome Ford had one target, and Dylan Samson had eight catches. So it just goes to show you that they are looking towards him when he's running routes when he's on the field. He also had 12 carries. So he had 20 touches. It's weird because Quinchon Judkins, the other Ohio State running back along with Trayvon Henderson, who was taken in the second round, Judkins, and obviously, you know, he had this like domestic violence allegation in July and didn't sign his contract. And so he is signed this week. So he might play next week or at some, I don't know.

They probably smuggled him a playbook months ago or whatever. But like, he might play next week. We don't know what, we have no idea what the deal is. If he's available, who is the ad? He's about 55% in ESPN and Yahoo, Quinn Sean Judkins versus Dylan Samson. So I think Judkins could still get suspended. I'm not going to pretend for a second to understand what's going on with

Quinn Sean Jenkins. It's been one of the stranger situations. But I'm, I kind of will believe it when I see it that he contributes. I think, I guess put it this way. Maybe Dylan Samson takes a step back because it's Judkins, it's Ford, it's Samson. The thing about these like rookie running backs that aren't taken really high or dart throws are like, you're just trying to

guess whether the coaches are going to trust them. I can't remember a situation where you're going to be like, yeah, yeah, obviously they trust him. They threw them. He got eight passes in week one. The hardest part to me of the game to contribute to as a rookie is the passing game. And the fact that not only did they have it in the game plan to trust him, but then Joe Flacko went back

to him seven more times to me suggests like they know down the road, there will be no hesitancy with an injury or a suspension that he's going to get it back. That's the hardest part to figure out. And we know that he's Dylan Samson can do it. So I like Dylan Samson as an ad. Also, how long is the ramp up going to be for Quintan Junkins?

He hasn't even been with a team. He just got signed like a few days ago. Exactly. He's been away. We talk about how injuries in the preseason or in the training camp or whatever can really set a rookie back. It's very hard once that whole machine of a franchise gets moving down the track or whatever.

to get on when you're coming in as a rookie, your head's swimming, you don't know, he probably doesn't even know his teammates yet. No, he's like, days. I just want to know how long, because there's people talking about like, oh, he could come in and in two weeks he'll be the starter.

I'm like, maybe, I guess maybe, but that seems far-fetched to me based on the fact that he has not even been with the fucking team yet. I totally agree, D.K., I totally agree. So, yeah, I think Samson, and again, I don't think he's elite as a,

again, it's still the Brown's offense, but I think Samson's a very, solid ad. I got to say, the Browns are like, they're really, they should be renamed the Cleveland waivers because every year it's just like, which, is it, do I add, Cedric Tillman this week? Is it Jerome Ford?

Which random dynamite? I'm adding? It's always the Browns. All right. Well, great, this is a big moment. That's right. This is the inaugural showdown time of 2025, and we are starting off with the Dylan Simpson showdown time.

Missed that. Gong is an Anamonopoeia. Oh, yeah. Gong, the sound of Gong makes sounds like gong. Oh, yeah, that's a good point. Anyway, that's what you can expect out of this show. There you go. All the people listening for the first time this year is super confused.

Craig is dialed. They're like, Craig, the kickoff thing and then the gong thing? He's stupid. So for those who don't know, on last, we've been talking about lefties and righties recently and a whole thing. And then we talked about there's just like one snail that's like has a lefty swirl so that he can't mate with the other snails. and it's like we need to find him

a one in 40,000 snail. Anyway, so this, this trivia question's from Dave. D-bone. Dave. Dave. I'm terrified of every tribute question. No matter how high if it starts the question,

I get a sinking feeling in my gut. It doesn't matter what the subject is. I'm like, God damn it. Of course it was this. How dumb are we going to sound right now? Dave says on average, how many teeth does a snail have? Yes, they have teeth.

Oh, thank you for confirming that because the answer could have been zero. I he said teeth didn't include that answer either we have to Google it after how many teeth do snails have those are gonna be one I don't know do you know how many fucking teeth the snail has I'm gonna go with more than one I don't think any animal is one tooth just one buck tooth I guess that wouldn't make any sense any animal of one tooth for climate email us if an animal has one tooth um I just gotta say an answer come on

You ready? Yeah. Sure. Three, two, one, 40,000. 32. Oh, crap. So Craig said 32, I said 30. Heifett said a thousand.

I said 40,000. I have a great range here. Jesus Christ. Of Googling, snails, how many teeth? Oh! What is it? It's 3,000 to 25,000, which actually is a massive. That really impacts our answers.

That actually really matters. That actually really matters. whether it's 3,000 or 25,000. Why don't you guys Rochambeau for it or something? So wait, my Gemini estimates a range from 1,000 to 25,000. It's kind of bullshit you'd win something. How many did you say, Hyphitz? I said 40,000, which is like, technically not close at 18,000, but spiritually it's way close.

I'm annoyed the range is so wide. I hate that. Can next time, Google Gemini's, why does the suggested questions on Google are the dumbest things ever? Did Dave not give an answer? No, he said Google it. Okay, Dave. Next time, we need to, we need to have one number that people can.

Snailworld.com in an article from snailworld.org. Snailworld.com in an article from February 2024, as most snails have somewhere between 1,000 and 12,000 teeth. All right. So who wins? Craig. I think Craig wins. Unlike human teeth, snail teeth. I said 30.

Unlike human teeth, snail teeth are not attached to the jaw. sure where are they hold on wait that's a dentist you should get in the fucking snail business instead they are

a part of the radula a movable ribbon like structure covered in tiny teeth and arranged in rows I think those shouldn't count his teeth

I want to look I'm a Google image snail teeth I do you remember you look to baby horsehoves move

oh I don't like this no don't look that up that's insane okay I don't like this back to me too much to get through come on all right

I'm taking Dylan Samson. Great. Taking Dylan Samson. So D.K. Get second pick. I'm so much closer spiritually, but whatever. Oh. I feel bad to even doing this.

All right. Let's see. Wow, what a start. I think I'm going to go with Trey Benson from the Cardinals. They actually ended up rotating James Connor and Trey Benson a little bit more than expected. It was about 6040 backfield split. Benson had eight carries for 69 yards, had a catch for six yards. I like Trey Benson.

His rookie year was very not encouraging, but I like the usage in this first game. He had a big run. So I'll just go to Tray Benson. You liked him out of the draft a lot, Tray Benson. I did a lot. And then he did not do anything as a rookie. He's young.

It was tough. But I still have hope. So, okay, so I'm third here. I want to read an email from Marine. Maureen. M-Bone. Maureen says in the summer, I enjoy key lime blended Shabana yogurt for breakfast.

winter. I like a Belveda breakfast biscuit dipped in a hot English breakfast tea. Damn, that sounds lovely. Belvita's fucking rock. Belvina? Yeah. Yeah. So I'm going to make you guys answer that. This is going to answer my question. Maureen says, my question is about the Jaguars running back situation.

I grabbed Tank Bigsby with my second last draft pick. Then I got Bachel Tootin with my last draft pick. Both are look-length. They're going to be used. Not that much. And I'd like to drop one of them to pick up Hollywood Brown, but like which would you keep, which would you drop? And then like two hours after she sent this email, the Jaguars traded Tank Bigsby to

the Eagles for a fifth and sixth round pick. So I wanted to ask you guys, let's say they're both available. How do you feel like Tank Bigsby, who now seems like the number one backup to Sequin Barkley. I feel like Will Shipley's injury is probably worst than you think. He left that week one game versus the calories. There were reports coming out that they traded for him because they like him as a returner, Tank Beesby.

They give him a fifth and a six for a returner. I guess maybe you want to win a super board. I don't know. But the, yeah. So I guess because now I'm like going, I'm kind of like, I feel like I should take Bachel Tootin. because Travis E.T.N. look good, but Tank Bigsby's gone. So I feel like I should take Bachel Tutin.

However, if someone cuts Tank Bigsby, again, we talked about how Seqwan, the math of people coming off 500 touches, just generally speaking, there's like a 50-50 chance he misses time. And I'm like, what if Tank Bigsby's like fucking replaces Seekwan? It's any capacity. So I don't know. Would you guys rather chase Bachel Tootin being like the 10% chance he's a Kirkland brand Devon A-chan or do you want Tank Bigsby?

This is a pathetic conversation, but would you rather take Bixby? trailing snakewalk. I guess the answer is take a receiver. I would rather have Bayshalt-Tooten, I think. And then Lequint Allen, if you put him lower on the priority, but you could grab him. He was the third down back for the Jags in this one or in the first game. I need to see what's going on with Will Shipley first because he left. He didn't play the second half, but he said he was questionable to come back. If this injury is quite serious, I think I would take Tank Bigsby.

I guess it's just why did they trade? If Will Shipley's fine, why did the Eagles trade? The reporter for the athletic, the Eagles, one of the Eagles reporters, I saw this. said what he understands is that they traded for him to be a kick return or not because they don't like their backup running back situation.

They have Will Shipley, they have A.J. Dillon. Who else do they have? I feel like they have another day. Well, then I guess I would go tootin. Yeah. The problem is if you add him in your group chat, everyone's like, oh, Danny, you'd be tootin?

Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, I'll take facial tootin. Okay. Not a huge week for running backs. Like, I don't know. There's not that many injuries at running back yet, and there's no buy week.

So I think that this is a week to get receivers, like very clearly to me. DJ Giddens for the Colts. He's like if Jonathan Taylor gets hurt, but Giddons literally like won't play until Taylor is healthy. Like, right? I mean, I feel like...

He got like 12 carries last week, but that was because they killed... They were up 25 points. He barely played in the game. And Kenneth Gainwell, it's like, wait, I don't know. It's like, you know, play some guy who's going to get seven points a week for the Steelers.

I don't know. I think this receiver talents too much this week. So I think... Also, can you drop Caleb Johnson at this point, by the way? Speaking of the same? Yeah, I mean, I think so. That's a good question.

I think drops are the hardest thing, honestly, and it's hard to tell people to do drops, but like, dude, you probably can. Hard to envision Caleb Johnson. I doubt there's another player on your roster that is more cuttable than Caleb Johnson right now.

How many snaps did he play? One carry. Like two carry. Negative two yards. One, two snaps. Yeah, I don't think if it happens, it's going to be like week 10.

And by then, it's like, do you want to be holding on him all year? How good is he, going to be i don't know he was a whiff uh okay receivers dk who's your number one receiver entering well after week one this one was a little harder i would say um and kye's gonna be mad at me but i'm going with cedric tilman for the browns really who had eight targets five catches 52 yards a touchdown eighty eight eighty eight percent snap so him and judy were the two receivers

that played primarily for the browns um 24% first target first read target rate according to fantasy point so he had a lot of plays designed for him and I think he's a good player so kind of add all those things up and I just came down to between him and Quentin Johnston

and I just I think I trust Tillman's talent take both those guys over Hollywood Brown even though Xavier Worthy has the shoulder injury yeah because Xavier Worthy is now day to day I think you could still grab Hollywood Brown I would not like tell you not to grab him at this point because of the injury situation

there, but I don't know how long that's going to last, because Xavier Worthy will be back soon, apparently. So I have a different interpretation. So again, Xavier Worthy, the people who have them know got hurt in the third play at the Chiefs Chargers game on Friday in Furyating, got a zero. Anyone who lost by like four or fewer points is just furious. So worthy being day to day, the exact quote for me in Rappaport was the plan is to rehab and attempt to play with a brace rather than immediate surgery, which suggests that they

considered immediate surgery, which I believe would be season ending. So from what I understand about what a brace would be for Xavier Worthy is like a brace that would like restrict Xavier Worthy's movement, which is weirdly if you're a linebacker, maybe easier because you can extend, but it's literally designed to prevent him from like going up above his head and grabbing a ball. It's not great. So never mind, he's already small. He was already hard for him to block. I don't think Xavier Worthy with a shoulder brace is going to be blocking very much. So I'm like, I don't know. One, are you going to be able to play Xavier Worthy in this situation?

too, how much, is it going to get tackled? How much, I don't know, like how much is Xavier worthy? It sounds like he just doesn't want to be out for the season and then he'll play a few games and be out for the season. So, I don't know. Hollywood Brown had 16 targets in 99 yards. And again, maybe I'm wrong. Like, D.K.

I mean, Cedric Tillens really talented and that Joe Flacco does complete a ton of passes if you're in PPR. Joe Flacko is like strangely competent for fantasy. Yeah. You know what I mean? He's like a less exciting version of James. He's old school. He never runs.

He has a cannon of an arm and he just rips it. But we almost, and again, it's a weird situation where I think Hollywood just immediately absorbed his role in Xavier Worthy, but overall, I'm, I'm just like 16 targets on a cheese team that has very little options where Rishi Rice, like, I feel like you're getting at least five weeks of Rishie Rice out. I think Worthy will eventually be out. I'm like, I don't hate the, I don't hate the Hollywood Brown one, to be clear, I just think, I don't know, Toman's more, I feel like it's more viable longer term throughout the rest of the season. I guess maybe this is what the discussion to have is like, do you need to fill in next week?

Well, and the other thing in your favor, it's not like Hollywood Browns had the most durable career. It's like he could literally have 40 tar. He could lead the NFL and fantasy points next week and then be heard again. Like he's also kind of fragile. Craig, who did you pick? Hollywood Brown. The quote from Andy Reid was like the words day by day were in the quote. So I feel like they can say he's day by day. But the full quote from Andy Reed is we'll just see where it goes day by day here. See where we end up. That's a coach trick. That's a coach trick. that's a coach trip shout out the coach speak index

shout out the coach speak index which is a great thing that watches every press conference they point this out so day to day is an injury update day by day is an approach but with to life and they sometimes

they say day by day to just hope the reporters tweet day to day but day by day is like the guy's out for the season it doesn't know it. We'll just see where it goes day by day here.

So then it's just Craig and I for the Hollywood Brown showdown time. I'll get on board with Hollywood Brown because I actually did not I did not hear the Andy Reid quote I just saw day to day and I was like oh that seems like he's probably close back

but I think regardless even if DK chooses somebody else I think he should always it should always be the three of us I want to take part in this fucking I also Rappaport saying attempt to play with a brace is not he will play with the brace I just like shudder

at like suggesting people should pick up Hollywood Brown after the history that we have but it's hard to do you love to Hollywood Brown of the drafts. He's a first-run pick. I know, and then he just kind of let me down a lot. You have to go with the Browns.

Oh, this is deep-seated for you. Yeah. Or imagine not picking him now, letting me get him. All right, it is the Hollywood, Florida, Brown. North Hollywood. Showdown time. North Hollywood, Florida. The, what was the Bakersfield, the Bakersfield Brown.

Oh, my God. This is from Luke. Luke. Elbone. Oh, a hoi fellows from Ireland. Away. See you soon, King. Did he say a hoi?

What did you say? Did he say a hoi from Ireland? He did. Luke says, People say a hoi a lot. You know that was the first answer for the telephone? The first word said on the telephone by Alexander Graham Bell was a hoary. He wanted people say hoi when they answered the phone.

Oh, yeah, that's right. I heard that. That's funny. I like a hoi. Anyway, the trivia question is the largest distance between. capital cities of countries that share a land border is Moscow in Russia to Pyongyang in North Korea. How far are those two cities apart? Moscow and Pyongyang?

How far is Moscow from Pyongyang? Which is two different capital cities that are connected. You guys are never going to believe this, but I'm bad with mileage on earth. It's hard for you to determine the distance between Moscow and Pyongyang offhand. That's embarrassing. But like I don't think I could tell you how. many miles it is across the United States. Like, I know I've heard that a hundred times.

Don't tell them correct. Yeah. I don't remember. I don't know the exact number, but I haven't. You don't have an eye. What do you think it is, D.K.? I know generally what it is. Fuck, I don't even want to say.

Is it like 5,000 miles? Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't matter. That might help you or hurt you. Yeah, yeah. It might. If we've learned one thing doing trivia, it's the person who knows the least does the best.

Also, when I picture a glow. You know the whole thing where it's like the maps we see are distorted and don't actually reflect the size of the nations because they have to fit on a square map? You know? But if you look at a globe, it's like countries and states are way bigger or smaller than you think. I have my answer. Oh, hell. I got it. I have an answer.

Oh, hell. Okay. All right. I got an idea. All right. Three, two, one. $9,000. I said eight.

Craig, what the fuck? You said eight what? Thousand miles. Okay. 8,000? I said 9,000. Would you say? Craig keeps one up in me. I said 20,000. Because America's what?

3,000 miles? Yeah. I think the Earth is like 70 or 80,000 circumference. In my head, I thought it was three United States. The distance is, you can't walk. The Google Maps is kind of fairly. The Earth's circumference is 24,000 miles, for the record. Well, I'm going to do terribly then.

Is it really? I mean, according to Google. Google. According to snailworld.com. Payangyang. You really? 4,000 miles. Does Dekin win?

That's incredible. Hell yes. The perimeter? Really? Oh, I got that wrong. Jesus. That's an immediate come up. Incredible.

The person who knows the least always wins is so true. There's a metaphor there for life. This is one of those things. Hyphids, I've probably heard how far it is across the U.S. like a hundred times and it never sticks for some reason. I'm always like, I can never remember. In my head, it's 3,000-ish, right? Yes, definitely.

Okay, hold on now. I've got to Google it. That one's right. I'm pretty sure it's around 3,000. I don't know exactly. Yeah, $2,800. No. Okay.

All right, so, D.K. fucking, we talked to me and Xavier Worth and then it once. I didn't fucking get, or Hollywood Brown. Okay, you take him or not? No, no. I'll fucking take him. Tillman. I get Hollywood Brown.

Wait, did he take Tillman or Hollywood Brown? He took Tillman, but he joined in on the trivia for fun. Okay, fine. You took Tillman. You get Hollywood Brown. Who do you want? Now you have to take Quentin Johnson. It's just not good for me to be with Hollywood Brown.

You take him, Craig. I'm torn. There is an obvious pick here, which is Quentin Johnson for the charges, who had five catches, 79 yards, two touchdowns. I mean, he's the X for the Chargers, two and three receiver sets. I got a deep cut. That's like a season long bet that I really like. I was going to say, there was a guy I kind of want more.

Who do you think? D.K., do you think I'm going to say Eelich, I, O. Yes. Yeah. Really? Yeah, for sure. Dude, he's another, he had like a bunch of target. He didn't turn into production, but like they just couldn't complete passes in that game. If you like, if you won this week, you're like top four in the league, things are good,

but maybe you have a Caleb Johnson on your bench or somebody who didn't pin out. And you just want a guy that no one's going to be adding because everyone's going to be upbitting like Quentin Johnson and Keenan Allen and Hollywood Brown, Cedric Tillman. I think, uh, I look, I owe Manor, he had seven targets. I think everybody on the, on the Titans is a by-low, to be honest. and he finished top 10 in first read Target Share this week, which is pretty crazy considering it's his NFL debut. I mean, this guy was not like a day one pick or anything like that.

But he's the- We're on this guy since day one. We were out of Stanford. He's the number two guy on the Titans already. And if Cam Ward is decent, I think he'll be solid. And could be very good. He's also the kind of like contested catch. I mean, he body Travis Hunter.

Travis Hunter's worst tape as cornerback was versus Elyke at Stanford. And I will say also he's the kind of like jump ball receiver. Camberort's going to give him a shot. There are a few guys that would take over him, though. I think Quentin Johnson for the Chargers, he's like an obvious pick, but I'm kind of like, he did you touch downs and like is that. Calvin Austin for the Steelers, if you're in full PPR,

Calvin Austin, like, I think Calvin Austin, frankly, is going to be like the Deontay Johnson cosplay of like, I just think Calvin Austin's going to get a lot of targets. He's clearly the number two guy for the Pittsburgh, but you do the guy I'm wondering about of like, I. Oh, are you going to say Kashon Booty? Kishon Booty for the Patriots,

who is, I mean, it's named Booty. It's kind of funny. He's a very talented player at LSU that frankly fell to the sixth round a couple years ago because of a litany of rumors that we will not say out loud on this show. But he was on the same LSU team as Brian Thomas and Malik neighbors with Daniels. And talent is not the question with Booty. I mean, people thought he was going to be a first rounder. People thought of Kisholmoo was going to be first round.

Before he got hurt. The sixth round pick. Things fell apart. A lot of, yeah, things fell apart. Having said that, Nate, Nate Jonki. at PFF who does incredible work, had a stat that blew my fucking mind, which was if you go back to the last four weeks,

which including the last three weeks of last season and this week, Kishon Booty is top five in receiving yards. He's 343 yards. That's wild. And I was like, I think, say that again. The last four weeks of the season. So it's like this week and the last three weeks of last year.

Regular seat, yeah. Which is a little squishy because week 18 is weird. But he's fifth in receiving yards. Lies. lies and stats, right? And I was like, what? And I will say, Drake May, I think, just trusts him.

Yeah. I think Drake may trust him. And the other thing is, the reason the Patriot signed Stefan Diggs was in theory to beat man coverage and the Patriots don't have a man coverage beater. And that's why they, one of the reasons they often sucked last year.

But Diggs is 31 coming off an ACL tear and like doesn't seem like he's a man beater right now. I think Kishon Booty's like the number one receiver on his team. And he's young and like actually unlike Diggs, part of the New England's future. Also, the Patriots didn't even want Diggs. They wanted fucking Chris Godwin and he spurned them and then you have 20 minutes

to find a new receiver and they gave Godwin's money to Diggs. But I'm like, I kind of just think if you're talking about the course of the season, if you still believe the Drake May hype of the last six months, which is waning, I just kind of think Booty's just the number one receiver in an offense and he's on waivers.

I don't disagree with this. I actually had Booty like a head of IOMEN or on my rankings. I just wanted to shout out a more deep cut, but I totally agree with this. He had a, so his last four games, 95 yards, 28 yards, 117, and then this last week or this week he had 103. He led the Patriots and Routes Run. He is, he and Matt Collins are the guys handling the two wide receiver sets.

Which that's, that is incredible. He's in the two receiver sets with Matt Collins. K. Sean Booty. Like, not tomorrow Douglas. Not's the fun digs. Like, it's, and so I'm just saying, like. It's funny. Nobody talked about it.

It was, it was Diggs. It was Demario Douglas is going to be the guy who takes off this year. Kyle Williams. Yeah. And I'm like, I'm like, I. think booty's just better than all these guys. And, I mean, they cut Javon Baker. Like, you know, so anyway, uh, maybe the Patriots offense is going to suck and it

doesn't matter that he's the number one. And like, that's, you know, the chargers are going to be better offense. The thing with Quentin Johnson to me, it's whack a mole. It's Labiconkey. It's Keenan Allen. You know, it's Quentin Johnson. I'm like, I don't know. I just kind of think Drake May is going to say fuck it and through this ball a lot.

So I'm going to pick a shit. We're never going to believe in Quinn Johnston. But like, the guys have like 12 touchdowns in the last 12 games. To be clear, he's, Quentin Johnson, I think, will be the, and again, we probably should take him first. Realistically, though, like, if you don't, I think Quentin Johnson is going to be one of the top waiver claims because he scored 24 points in week one. So I guess maybe put Quentin Johnson first. But I actually think if you get Kish on Booty, you might just be better. But also, I don't think anyone's going to take Booty if you take Quentin Johnson necessarily.

DeMario Douglas had the weirdest stat line. He had seven targets, two catches, negative two yards, and a touchdown. Damn, I meant to look that up. I actually thought that never happened. I wonder if that's ever happened in every street. Seven targets, negative two yards and a touchdown. There's no way that's a long of two yards. Seven targets have negative two yards and you scored.

It's pernosterous. Okay. Other receivers. So Booty, Tillman, Calvin Austin, Quentin Johnson. Are there any of that? I think that's a pretty good list. I actually think. Josh Palmer, baby.

Josh Palmer. My problem is, isn't that the biggest game they're going to have all year? How are the bills going to outdo the passing of that game? Unfortunately, as much as I have, want to say, take him. He's like a four catches for 50 yards. That's kind of like his max. Big picture, Dylan Samson at running back. And then if you can't get him, I'm like, take these receivers. I think all these guys could have production. Tillman, Johnson, Calvin Austin, Hollywood Brown, Kisham Booty. Like, these guys have season long impact to me. In a way,

the running backs, it's like you wait for something to get hurt. I'd rather have the receivers. Do you guys agree with that? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. We're going to get to tight ends. But first, Now it's time for a special part of today's episode brought to you by NFL Sunday Ticket on YouTube TV. If you're an NFL fan like us, there's one move to make before the season kicks off and that's subscribing to NFL Sunday ticket on YouTube TV. You get every game, every Sunday, all in one place

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I'm looking at the morning games. That's got to be in there. Number two, Bill's Jets. Some people call it the afternoon, but yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. Where I live, I feel like that's okay if I call it the morning games because they are for me. So I'm going to stealers Seahawks.

I'm going, Jets, Bill. Mills. Now it gets a little hairier in the morning slate. I'm going to go bangles, Jags, and then, hmm, do I, do I want to throw in Giants Cowboys? No, not my dream of you. I'm not watching that game. I want to forget that game as soon as Russell Wilson's going to play. Give me Rams Titans. I was going to say that too. Yeah. So did you leave, wait, you kept bear, you put in Bears Lions, right? No. That's Ben Johnson versus the lions. You're not watching Bears Lions? Ben Johnson.

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We'll see. Okay, we'll do Bears' lines. We'll get rid of what? You want to get rid of Rams Titans or you want to get rid of Rams? Bangles, Jags. I kind of want to see Beggles Jags. Me too. All right.

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but George Kettle's going to miss three to five weeks of the hamstring. So he might go on injury. Brock Purdy has a toe into shoulder injury to his non-thruing shoulder, but then the toe, Shannon said the toe is worse than the shoulder. And then Joanne Jennings heard, did he hurt his shoulder two separately? Yep, yep. So that happened. The healthiest player in the Niners is Christian McCaffrey right now.

He gave him 31 carries. You know, when you put it like that, that's incredible. So when we were going over tight ends to add, I think we were wondering if we should include Kyle Pitts. Are we going to just acknowledge that Kyle Pitts, if he's available in your league, just go get him? Yeah, which is awesome for us in this show and for Kyle Pitts. He's 65% rostered-ish in ESPN and Yahoo.

If he's there, I would go get him. I mean, Drake London banged his shoulder up. Darnal Mooney is out. And he definitely has a good rapport. with Michael Panics. So I would say he is a viable guy right now. I think Pitts is good enough to justify a waiver ad just by week one. Yeah.

Even if Drake London is playing. But if Drake London is not playing, Kyle Pitts has like a brand new way to disappoint you. I started him last week because I'm brave and it paid off. He had like 11 points. There you go. That's living on the edge, baby. I will say you should add Kyle Pitts because if Drake Leonard is time. Yeah.

It's also, it is crazy what double digits will do for your mental health fantasy versus single digits. Like the difference between nine points and ten points is monumental. Yeah. It's, it, yeah, it's really unbelievable. Okay, so we're saying get pits over all that people we're about to mention. But with that said, non-pits category, DK, number one tight end to add after week one. Harold Fanon Jr. of the Browns, number 44. What is that?

Atrocious. He changed from 88 to 44. I like it. I like that. But it cut himself in half? It's like doing fullback stuff. they line him up all over the formation. He was a primary target on a lot of plays for the Browns. Like they schemed up ways to get him the ball. Team high nine targets plus a rush attempt.

72% snap rate in his first game, which is great. There's a lot of like tight ends that we were thinking might be fantasy factors that didn't hit that this week. So yeah, I think he's definitely the top of my list. Well, Harold Fanon, well, one, I mentioned that one tight end had ever had seven catches in their debut ever and then two did it on Sunday Tyler Warren and Harold Fadden DK can you remind people about Harold Fadden's ridiculous college profile you came about a bowling green bowling green led the led hold on it maybe I'm doing it maybe I'm wrong but he didn't he lead college football in catches yes this last year which is

all not 10s just players all players in catches um he is a tweener he's like a little bit on the smaller side for a tight end, like 6-3, 240 or whatever. So he's not a prototypical tight end. I think there were question marks about that in, like, terms of where he lands, where's it going to fit in? When he was drafted by the Browns, I think people were pretty bummed because it was, you know, David and Joku's already there.

Now he's going to be in a platoon playing tight end. But essentially, he is playing the third wide receiver position for the Browns right now. He's kind of like a hybrid, you know, a movable joker piece, if you will, or a movable chess piece. Um, so, you know, and I think the other thing too is like he wasn't, he didn't, ever since Riley pointed out that all chess pieces move. I know. I've been saying that for years.

A movable chess piece. You know, all chess pieces are movable. Yeah. And also saying that with Joker is like, is that redundant or like, it's also mixed metaphors. Jokers are not in chess. Well, I meant, yeah, I meant movable chess piece because that's like an expression. He can admit he doesn't know how to play chess after using that metaphor for seven years. is awesome. Do you not know how to play chess?

I mean, like, basics. Yeah. We can move the pieces. I would not say I know how to play chess. Like, if you and I sat down. No, not really. Queens game. You would need to tell me the rules.

And then I would get really bored immediately and be like, all right, maybe let's just not do this. That's very unforty-something of you that I know how to play chess and you don't. I feel like you should be teaching me chess. So, but the guy's like, I can't sit through the rule of explanation. on anything. I'm too old. I need to be scrolling. Can I scroll while I play?

D-K. I kind of think Harold Finn in, too. So it's weird because on one hand, this could obviously be a mirage because, you know, they play the Bengals. Bengals defense sucks. Logan Wilson is a lineback

for the Bengals went out there in the game. And part of me thinks that might just be it and it's random, but I'm also like, this never happens. Like, and again, the Browns, like, that's a combined 15 catches to rookies in their debut, which is weird. But also, literally this guy

led college football and cat, I think Harold Fanon's the epitome of a player that even seven or eight years ago if you came out of college, just the NFL wouldn't know it to do with them. And now I'm like, the NFL knows it to do with them. And even it,

like the rounds are playing the Ravens this week. I don't know if you should play Harold Fanon this week for George Kittle. However, if Harold Fanon plays well versus the Ravens, I kind of think Harold Fanon could just be, I mean, honestly, one of the biggest pickups of the year.

Like, what if Harold Fanon is just the top seven tight end all year, just racking up catches and yards? just like he did in college. And the fact that a team is willing to use him immediately when you're like second round, Seahawks took Elijah Roy in the second round. What did he do on Sunday? He had one catch.

He had one catch. Like I'm just saying Terrence Ferguson, did he even play a snap on offense to the Rams and Sunday? Like these are top 50 picks in the draft. Like the Brown's using a guy all game and just saying David and Joku, who was a former first round pick being like, yeah, we're going to use you like equally immediately. It's just that like never happens.

I know this has been the dream for Isaiah likely for this is, year three now. We were just like hoping they finally play him a lot. How many times does Isaiah likely had seven catches in one game? No. It's like that's the case for and against Harold Fanon. You're right. It never happens that you have seven catches in a game as the number two tight end.

But I guess that could be the case for why maybe. But he's done it 100% of his games. He's done it 100% of the time. But it is quite rare for a team to have two viable fantasy tight ends. It's basically like Gronk and Aaron Hernandez and then it's like, I guess Mark Andrews and Isaiah likely a couple

times. That is true, and that is the downside. The flip side is, what if they just trade David and Joku? That's what I was going to say. That's very fair. Wheels up. So you might have to, so it's weird because honestly, and Joku is in the last year of his contract. Yes, exactly. Yeah, good point. So a super possible thing is you pick up Harold Fannin. He does nothing. You feel like an idiot because he's a rookie backup tight end. Then you cut him. Then the Browns trade David and Joku and then Harold Fandin's a top four tied in the rest of the season. That's like a super possible thing. Totally. And we do know that. I mean, look at what Flacco has done with in Jocubon. He is a top-side guy with Flacco.

So with that said, I don't know if Harold Fennon's a good George Kittle replacement, but he could be an, if you think of a good team, could be an incredible piece. So I do endorse that, D.K. All right. You picked? Thank you. It is the Harold Fannin Jr. We have two rookies on the Browns, man.

What the fuck is wrong with us? Showdown, time. Are we supposed to be experts? Dude, we almost had three Browns. We almost went Dylan. Cedric Tillman and Harold Fannin. Aren't we supposed to be like, we spend all day on this to be like, yeah, Browns, I guess. Beggers can't be the Ravens?

All of the Browns. Jesus, God, I can't believe. People didn't draft Browns because it's the Browns. That's why they're on the waivers. Pretty embarrassing, though. No, but yeah, this is going to work. All right. I need a tribute question.

Be gentle. I'm delicate. Yeah, let's with a snail teeth or four. This is for Craig. Great. This is from Mike. Mike Mike McGee M-bone

Mickey Of the 16 surely delicious items on the Applebee's Antitizer menu Wait there really isn't Antitizer menu Yeah dude Of course

Chicken it's the appetizer Manit Dip Please someone send us two Truth in a lie for antitizers A chicken parm Casasia sounds good Craig you combine my two

favorite foods I love chicken parm Chicken Parm Chicken farm is definitely not my second favorite food. I go chicken porm chicken wings on the death row. Chicken parm, what do you, cassidia sounds great. Yeah, it does.

That needs to happen. Someone get on that. Applebees, get on that. Applebees. How high are you guys? Where is Applebyes? Can someone from Applebyes contact us for once? My God.

I know, for real. Sponsor our waivers episode every week. Anyway, Mike says the classic combo. So the classic combo, there's mutts sticks, casadia, Bones, wings, chips, salsa, and spinach dip. How many calories are in that Applebee's classic appetizer combo? Mutsero, wait, no.

Am I reading this for it? Yeah, how many calories are in the Applebee's classic appetizer combo? Which is what? Mutsarillo sticks, cassidia, bologna, chips, salsa, spinach dip. Jesus. Okay, wait. Okay, wait. How many items is it?

Four or five. It's a classic combo. It's not, I don't think it's a full order of each. It's a sampler. It's a sampler, yeah, yeah. Mutsarola sticks, Kcadia, Bones,

Chasida, bones, spices, he says mutts, Mutz sticks. Mutz sticks. Mots. Mots?

Yeah. You almost say it more Italian. Mutsarola. From New York. Yeah. Do you supposed to say mozzarella?

It's Motserella. Well, there is a O. I say mozzarella. Yeah. M.O. Z. I'm going to go with me on this for once. I think yours is like

cooler in New York accent, but I think it is mozzarella. I think it is mozzarella. I think, I can get most of America people say mozzarella. Like Tony Soprano probably says mozzarella. Yeah, but I learned it

from Italians. No, no. That's what I'm saying. Like, you're probably saying it the cooler way, but I would say more people say mozzarella. Yeah, when you're around people, when you're around people who call Red sauce gravy? Yeah, gravy. You say mozzarella. Sure. Do you call, do you just call pizzas pies?

Let's go get a pie. No, but that's a good call. I love that. We're going to go down and get a pie. I'm walking here. I know. I wish I could earnestly say that. Get a slice. That's a real thing. Saying pie is cool. It's like calling a movie a picture.

Yeah. Scorsese. He's like, oh, let's go see a picture. That's just the best. That's a good. Okay. How many calories in this sampler? I have a number in my head.

I'm just going to say it. So, you guys ready? Oh, God. You want me to say it one more time? No, I think we can just guess. All right. Three, two, one, five. $3,200.

What did you say, Craig? $3,200. Is that a lot or a little? You said $3,200? I said $5,000. Would you say, D.K? No, I mean, it might be right, but it is... 5,000's wrong.

I said 1,500. Oh, you... You're a little faith, DK. You naive little boy. I just realized... 1,500? I'm way off. 3,200.

I just like that for some reason. The answer is 22.50. It's pretty good. Do you say 2,300, Craig? 32. Oh, well, he wins. Wait, no. DK.

Okay, hold on. Let's do the math. We don't have to do math. He won. What did you say, Craig? 32. You said 1,500, right? Yeah. So you're like $750 away. I'm like $9.50 away or something. Okay. No. DK.1.

The answer is $2.50? Yeah. DK.1. No, I know. I'm saying I'm 950 away. DK. 750 away. So he won't. Yes. All right. I guess you're not so naive. I guess you know your, you're antitizers. Buddy, when you turn 40, you start counting calories. So. How many calories are in the case of Ds you eat every day? Um I don't know like the one item you eat something like that Okay I only eat three tortillas

So I do like one and a half Casidillas And they're small tortillas Okay So they're not like small They're like medium So they're not like I'm not like eating the giant You do one one tortilla on top of another one to make a

cassidia and then you do another single tortilla that you fold in half And I also use these things I found at Costco Which I highly recommend were the ones that like the case the raw cassidias that you like cook on the stove or in the oven. Can I know those? Sorry, not cassidias, tortillas is whatever. Why don't you use the big tortilla? We use three small ones instead of what big one?

Does that kind of net out to be the same or no? Probably. Pan issue, pan size issue? Yeah, yeah. Oh, you know it's my favorite, one of my favorite life lessons ever. My chemistry teacher with the pot roast, I'll spare you, one day. One day, you'll tell you. It'd be over a Guinness.

It's a great life lesson. Five rows. It's an incredible. incredible life lesson. Damn, I got fan in. If the people, yeah, you get fan. Got Matt Suke. Craig, you're next.

Metzooie. Am I going long term or next week? Tight end? Like, kind of bull. I think if we're telling the truth. I have an answer for week two and then I have an answer for somebody I'd want to bet on long term.

Let's say you have George Kittle, what would you do? Because I think the truth is you're trying to get the long term one and just fucking pray that they do next week two. If I wanted to do long term, I guess I would maybe pick Brenton Strange on the Jags, who had four catches for 60 yards. He played about 80% of the snaps, all good numbers.

He was a guy who got a lot of hype at a camp. It was going to be him or a man that is truly like irrelevant. And he is a jag, even though he's not on the Jags, this guy. But he's one of those guys who just like, nobody will have him the entire year, but he'll end up like having six touchdowns. Joanne Johnson had 11 targets, eight catches, 75 yards for the Saints this week.

He played 99% of snaps. And it's because... Because they forgot about him out there. They forgot to take him out. How dare you say he's a Jag? It's because... Also, Jack means just a guy. It's like a football slur.

Yeah. It's because he played so much because Taysam Hills on Pup and Foster Morrow, their other titan is on Pup. So for a month, Juan Johnson might be like a top 10 time. I like Johnson. That's a good pick.

11 targets. I will say, though, I actually want to... actively go and take Brent and Strange instead of Harold Fanon because I'm realizing, I think, I actually, it's funny, Craig. I think Brent and Strange could be a season long guy, but I think if you told me one of these guys going to be the number one tied in next week,

Breton Strange, because you know what the Jaguars play this week? Cincinnati. Cincinnati. You know the Browns played last week. Cincinnati. And Logan Wilson. I know, I know. So I'm just saying Logan, again, the Brown's defense,

sorry, the Bengals defense, which is bad, lost Logan Wilson. I don't know exactly how long he's going to be out but I'm like, if you're the Jaguars, you're like, yeah, Brent Strange, like deal with Thomas and Hunter or whatever and then you're like, Brent Strange, you're probably going to cook him.

So, uh, I think Brent and strange, and also he's just good. Well, I picked him, so sucks for you. I thought you took fucking John Johnson. No, I said I wanted to. He just threw out John Johnson.

Fuck. Any tisers, any tied end? I screwed that up. All right, Johnston. Are you taking Joanne? Yeah,

I guess so. It's fine pick. I also think there's, I mean, Zach Ertz just keeps catching touchdowns and probably will till eternity. Jono Smith, funnily enough, once the Steelers, and then they threw him a touchdown.

I'm like, I don't know. He had 15 yards and yet he had six targets. And I don't really want him, though. Arthur Smith loves that guy. I know, he does. But I kind of, the other one is Michael May. So Brock Bowers, I got hurt, but it seems like he was wanted to go back in,

and I think he's fine. If Brock Bowers was out, Michael Mayer, who was a very high second round pick a couple years ago, who I loved out of college and had a couple tough years in the NFL. But I think he looks way better than he's ever looked in the NFL. the Raiders are running a ton of two tightens sets.

I think Michael Mayer will have some serviceable weeks. But if Brock Bowers is out, I think Michael Mayer is like pretty good tight end in fantasy. I'm like, I think he's going to have a good NFL career, hopefully. So Mason Taylor for the Jets also, also by the way, played 88% of the snaps.

Didn't get, he only had one catching this game, but any rookie has a high ankle sprain in camp. I'm kind of like, well, that's not. He got a lot of really good buzz in camp. And there was people talking about how he's

eventually going to be just the number two receiver in this team. So he's like a staff. more than don't plan this next week, but keep an eye on him. Yeah. So to be clear, we're like, if Kyle Pitts is available, get him. Harold Fanon is like a crazy home. Harold Friend is an up, like a home run swing that you're probably going to strike out, but it's a truly for the fences.

I think Brenton Strange is like the most, if you need someone this week and hopefully he's good later, I think it's Brenton Stridge. To Craig's point, Juan Johnson is probably like a cheat code for a month or whatever. Don't watch him play. and then Michael Mayor of Bowers gets hurt. Honestly, if you don't like checking your lineup, you could just, and you have Brock Bowers, you can just add Michael Mayer if you're not a ton of a person or loves,

I guess you wouldn't be listening to the show if you don't like waivers. Okay, quickly, quarterback, I was going to fly through this, but now Brock Purdy's injured, so I'm like if brought, also freaking Mac Jones for the Niners is going to be the backup quarterback, which to go all the way back to the Tray Lance trade with the Niners took Tray Lance. Kyle Shannon wanted Back Jones, and then he was convinced by, I think, John Lynch and other people in the Niners, to take Trey Lance.

And now, if Brock Purdy misses time, Mack Jones is the backup quarterback for the Niners. We're going to see Kyle Shannon and Mac Jones, which is incredible. However,

if Brock Purdy is out, I assume the guys we would want are Daniel Jones, you know, probably want the 30 points. I think Michael Pennett is the rushing Daniel Jones will be there all year.

Michael Pennix is going to rip passes all year. For sure, Pennix. I think, yeah, I think those are the two guys. Yeah.

And then I will say, Got a lot of Daniel Jones trade request. Like people trying to offload Daniel Jones this week. Yes. A lot of people sell them. Yeah. Which always annoys me a little. It's like here you take this guy.

We should rank. You know something totally unreasonable for this guy who's sucked other than this one game. That's, yeah. I mean, I will say the other person, I think Jackson Dart, who again, I don't know if he's going to be awesome for the Giants, but I do think he's going to run a lot. if the Giants If the Giants start O and 3, I don't think Russell Wilson

is getting a fourth start. He's going to play for the Cowboys. We're going to wish cast this into existence. Well, you hear all the stats. Like, literally Brian Dave, like literally Brian,

all the stats of like, well, if you start O and 2, you have like an 11% chance to make the playoffs. Oh and 3 is like 4%. The Giants were like, we should probably be competitive.

If you literally start out competing for the number one pick, what the fuck is Russell Wilson playing for? I think it's Brian. Brian, I mean, Brian Dable's getting fired at C's. Yeah. I mean, I'm holding on to dart in our ringer league. So, yeah, for that reason.

But, you know, I think Jones and Pennix. Defenses, I have a lot of thoughts here. If they're available for whatever reason, the Seahawks, like, if the Seahawks are available, go get them. I think a couple teams are weirdly available right now. The Bills defense is very available. I think a lot of people drafted them. So they played the Ravens in week one and then cut the bills. So I think the bills are available.

in more leagues than you would think. The Bill's next four games are Jets, Dolphins, Saints, Patriots, Falcons, by weak Panthers. I will say again, Jets with Fields, Dolphins, Saints, like the Bill's defense, I think is, that could be great. Packers, same thing. I think a lot of people cut the Packers because they played Detroit. They have Michael Parsons, like the defensive coordinator for the Packers,

Jeff Halfley, like, I do think Packers' defense looks great. That doesn't need explanation. Tampa plays Houston at Week 2. Houston's offensive line sucks. Like, it sucks. It's just a mess again. Like we could, like, who could have seen this coming? Yeah, it's, it's, and I, and, you know, people got hurt.

It's no, they can't block anyone. Can I shout out one? The Rams are playing the Titans. The Rams just kind of locked up, C.J. Stroud and Nico Collins, and now they are playing Cam Ward. And weirdly, I think the Titans offense line is better than Houston's, but Cam Ward is still ripping basses and is going to still, you know, I think, yeah, the Rams versus that one's great.

Titans defense, defense line, the Titans way better than, I mean, the Rams, the both guards have ankle injuries. I don't know if they're going to play, but Steve Avala. And, oh, God, I'm blanking on the other Rams guard. Oh, no. Who's the other Rams guard? It's not Jonah Jackson. Shelton Coleman.

Blank you. I don't know. I keep forgetting. Same. I'm totally blanking. Oh, Kevin Dotson. Yeah, Kevin Dotson. Yeah, that should give him a lot of money.

Kevin Dotson and Steve Avala, both have ankle injuries. And then this is also with Alarck Jackson having weird health issues all year with blood clots. So it's like, Titans defensive line, Jeffrey Simmons looked unbelievable. And the Broncos's offensive line's good. So the Rams, like, I'm just saying the Titans staff are. Is it bad I'm worried? I'm like, man, the bills are playing the Jets. Jets are kind of hard to defend.

I'm already starting to like, oh, do I really want to play a defense against the Jets? I will say after that they play the Dolphins. And sorry to Carlos, whose birthday was yesterday now, because today, but now it's one of the morning here. I guess in the West Coast is still Carlos's birthday. Happy birthday, Carlos, the Dolphins.

Where he lives. Yeah, where he lives. Yeah. As you guys would say, where I am, he's like, well, it's not Carlos's birthday anymore. I'm like, well, where he lives it is. Yeah, well, I've remembered that in the middle of my sentence. See what I did there.

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85? 85%. I, well, it can include Mountain Time. Like, aren't on the West Coast. You can't do that. So you're taking, you're taking 75% of the country. 200 million people live in Eastern or Central time zone, I believe. I don't understand.

I think we should just count the Eastern time zone, which is 47%. Yeah, but Eastern and Central because the Central's noon kickoff, which is afternoon. I just don't know why you get so excited. He's moving the goalposts into the Central time zone. I just don't like the phrase morning games. No, do you, I try not to say one o'clock. I say early games. This is the, this is our reality.

Hyphi Fyth. Here's the thing, Hyphitz, when I say morning games, everybody knows what I mean. Don't they? Because if you live on the East Coast, you go, oh, that just means the earliest games. You know what? You're right. It probably just triggers me because of the amount of West Coast timing on this company. Yeah, probably just triggers me. What time is it there? You want to talk about bias at this company. Everybody we've ever hired it except for me and D.K. is from the fucking northeast. All right? That's the real bias. Everybody's from fucking Boston and New York. How many West Coast fans do we have at the ringer like four.

So eat that. Yeah. Do we have a single like Lakers fan at the ringer? I'm trying to figure out what you're playing. Kai Grady produces this fucking show. He's a Lakers fan. He's from Texas. I'm just saying. That's weird. We don't have many. We don't have many people from the West Coast at the ringer.

So look, man. You thinking there's a West Coast bias is absurd. I just live on the West Coast. I didn't say West Coast bias. I said, I don't give a fuck about the West Coast bias. I'm talking about time zones, Craig. I don't give a fuck. about where people are fans from. I'm talking about every single time ever. You get so upset when we talk about the morning game. I speak about my life in the context of the time zone in which I'm living.

I get triggered when we talk about, you know what? I like that he tried to include the mountain time zone. Get it the fuck out of here. That was all right. I'm like, so you just get like 80% of the country? Hold on. U.S. population by time zone. I love this.

Eastern time zones half the country and then Central is a third. I'm not arguing there's more people in the West Coast and the East Coast. Oh no, if you include Mountain Times Zone

and find 7%. But like Pacific Times zones 16%. So that's right. 85% is not Pacific Times Zone. I don't know who you're arguing against but the straw man, you're beating him right now to death.

I'm saying you get mad when we reference like West Coast Time Zone and I don't know why. We live here. I've lived here. for like 36 years high fits is like the reality that I know.

Morning early, it's all right. People get it. All right. Yeah. Maybe. The emails, the emails will look. It's,

it's either going to just bombard me or like, I don't, you know, it's, you never know. Well, 485% of the emails are getting agree with high fits because they live.

It's one of those issues where I'm going to find out the truth very quickly on East Coast time. I'm going to find out super quickly. I don't even have a strong opinion. You do. I'm just like, I just say... Has Craig or I ever corrected you when you say something in the East Coast time? Say again?

Has Craig or I ever corrected you when you say something in context of the East Coast? Literally every time I've ever tried to... We talk about anything we've ever scheduled ever is in West Coast time. I have to convert every time ever. Again, again, everybody who works on this show and the entire company's on the West Coast. Yes. The studios we book are on the West Coast. I am trying to be as honest as I possibly can.

I don't complain about that. You do all the time. No, it builds up. It builds up like, pebble. It's like a small, infantasmal annoyance that we deal with 30 times a day that just builds up. And then once every couple weeks that you guys say morning games, all of the rage from the last three weeks of converting Pacific time to Eastern time comes out. And then I'm like, fucking one o'clock. And then I feel better about the last two weeks.

And like, that's just the truth. saying that's good or bad, that is what's happening. In your defense, if it's, when we go to the combine, which is in Indianapolis, which technically is on the East Coast, I guess, it feels like you're living on another fucking planet. You can't believe we're fucking three hours ahead of everyone on the West Coast. It's like our day is almost over by the people, by the time people are waking up on the East Coast, or in the West Coast, I should say. Yeah, that's, yeah.

So it is weird. I empathize with you, but I think also just like stop getting mad at us when we say I'm probably going to keep doing it. He just gets upset. When he gets the conversions wrong, he gets very bad. He's been lately he's been flipping him. So he's like, starts saying West Coast time is like three hours later. No, I'll tell you what happened.

We were on the West Coast for so long that I just change everything by three hours. So we started talking, we're going to record it two today. But I was with you guys. So I'm like, oh yeah, two, that's five. So I kept getting every fucking time wrong. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, should we keep this?

Does anyone give a shit about anything we just set? We'll see. Probably not. Anyway, there's other defenses. I don't, whatever. Patriots, I will say Patriots are playing the Dolphins Steelers Panthers next three weeks. I kind of wonder if the, like, I don't know, Mike Vrable versus the very weak dolphins team. And then I'm curious what happens.

The wagon that is Pittsburgh. Yeah. But then Carolina, I'm like, Mike Vrabble team, at least two of those are going to be good matchups, Miami and Panthers. And then the Colts, I don't know, the Broncos is week two, but then they play the Titans. three. So I just want to throw all those defenses out. Yep. Okay. I don't know if anyone's listening. If a tree falls

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Email us what you think about the time zone thing. I know I'm like probably mean. I'm just being honest. I just talk about it because it bothers me a little bit every day and then every couple weeks. It boils over. Yeah, yeah. That's the truth. We have to suffer the wrath of that every two weeks.

Thank you, Lord. Lord. Thank you, Ludacris. Nice. Nice. How come? I don't know. Okay.

I thought this was a ludicrous conversation, maybe? Or we were talking about Applebee's wings. Ludacris owns a wing spot in Atlanta. Does he? There we go. Maybe I knew that. It's just the morning game thing. It's so West.

It's just so like It just bothers me, man I think it bothers you because it's better It's a better time for the game's start I think it's because it's like I just don't even Honestly I think football is so ingrained to me It's the afternoon Ludacris is chicken and beer

It's now available at LAX What? Oh Wow That's crazy Oh like he made the album into a restaurant I guess so that's a good idea I love that ludicrous

and Fast and Furious is like the mechanic in the first movie and then by the eighth movie he's the guy who puts Nitris in your car and then he's like is building spaceships so that you can drive your car

to the moon yeah three movies later it's like I hacked into the NSA yeah he's like don't worry I can handle this you guys take it over this Russian satellite thanks Nitrous guy

yeah from the like auto body shop he's like hacking into the White House it's pretty sweet he really stepped up I like that they were talking about it and they're like yeah no one no one knows the computer's work it's fine it's totally fine no one's gonna say you know shouts out fast and furious shuts out dom torretto we're all family

ludicrous played the linden fair like a couple years ago which is this big it's the northwest washington's or what is it the northwest washington state fair i don't know exactly what's called we called the linden fair um but it's like this big deal and he played there and it was just like man, a lot of 35 to 45 year old people there. It was like, I didn't go, but this is what I heard. It was just like everyone from my exact generation. And that was it. It didn't go, but that's what I heard.

Yeah. Well, I have a lot of friends I went because all my friends are 35 to 45 years old. And then you guys. And then us. You keep me young. What can I say? I feel like I'm aging you. I'll teach you how to play chess next time I see you.

All right. Well, I'll probably get bored about 30, well, 15 seconds into your explanation. I'll have to give you an iPad. You know, there's like the memes of like Scarlett Johansson when she's crying in that one movie. I don't even know what movie. It's the one with like she's like marriage story or something. Yeah. And just like, and that's like how I get after about five seconds of someone trying to explain the rules of a game to me.

I'm just like, no, I can't do this. This doesn't work. It is actually, there's nothing worse than when you're at like a weekend away with, and somebody's like, I have a new board game we can play. Okay. I have a board game's take. Yeah. We've been going too long. I guess we don't have time for this.

Just, just give it. The problem is with a lot of these games, it's like, once you do learn the rules, it is really fun. But getting everybody to buy in to the 20 minutes of like, everybody fucking listen. It's 11 p.m. on Saturday night. Focus. The easiest? She has taught me to play cribbage, I think, seven or eight separate times. and I forget because there's like so long goes by.

They're all so fun once you, once you know, once everybody knows the rules and there's buy-in, it's great. It's just hard to get there. Board games are the easy litmus test for whether you had a happy family or not. Because like literally, it's so clear like, oh, you guys could just all be in the same room for three hours and screaming at each other. No.

And I'm like, oh, okay. It's just such a tell. My family couldn't play Uno. Or my brother and I couldn't sit next to each other playing Uno. We could be across from one another because that, because then you can't, directly attack them. But if him and I were next to one another, it was a problem. I think board games and card games and things of that nature, it activates the same. I don't know if there's any science behind this, but I feel like for me there is. So no proof

for you if you don't think this is true. But it activates the exact same part of my brain that I use when I'm working. So when I try and play any of these games, I'm like, this feels like work. What am I doing? I don't, I, I, on my break right now, I'm off work. I don't want to be doing this. The fuse is so much shorter playing board games that for a reason I can't explain. It's like road rage. I don't, people just get more mad playing board games. Dude, the Demetri Martin is like all board games are the same. Which of my friends is a massive asshole? Totally. I like ticket to ride though. Oh, that's good. That's really funny. I do. I actually love, This isn't even a board game, but I love Uno.

I like card games. I learned to play Uno at 24. Drinking card games. Two couples taught me. Shout up my friends, Claire and Andrew, two couples taught me. And I genuinely thought both were going to break up during the game. Yeah, I can get tough. And I was staying at their place.

I was like, I'm going to have to go somewhere else. Like, they're actually going to, both couples are going to not survive this game. Have you guys ever played a game called Back Alley Bridge? It's the best. No? I'll teach you. We'll play one night. It's really fun.

D.K., it'll only take 20 minutes for you to learn how to play. Don't. Honestly, I think the hardest I've laughed as an adult was trying to learn how to play Peanuckle, which is a card game for, like, very old people. I don't know how to play Peanuckle. Great name, though. It's hilarious. Anyway, it feels like work.

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